Speaker 1: This is the Political beat Down with Michael Cohen and
Ben my Cellus. On today's episode, we will talk about
New York Attorney General Letitia James civil fraud lawsuit against
Donald Trump in New York and his adult children seeking
at least two hundred and fifty million dollars. In emergency
hearing was held yesterday after Donald Trump filed a frivolous
verified answer. Want to get Cohen's reaction to that. The
next thing we're going to talk about is Alina Habba
still Donald Trump's lawyer or not. She was not at
yesterday's emergency hearing, and in the Egen Carroll federal lawsuit,
Egen Carroll's lawyer, ROBERTA. Kaplan filed a document saying Habba
was going to withdraw. This comes after Donald Trump and
Habba were sanctioned over one million dollars by a federal
judge in Southern District of Florida. Legal troubles continue to
mount for the MAGA trader fraud George Santos. The FBIS
opened up a new investigation and George Santos and the
MAGA Republicans have now replaced their American lapel pins with
AR fifteen lapel Pins. It is utterly disgusting there. It
is right there. And Matt Gates was called out by
Congressman Sicelini at the Judiciary Committee. Matt Gates was called
out as an insurrectionist. We're going to talk about that here,
and Cohen will react to Donald Trump saying some things
about Michael Cohen. This is not just an interview, folks,
This is a new podcast. It is called Political beat
Down with Michael Cohen and Ben Marcellus. You were watching
the first episode. Michael Cohen, this is so great to
do this with you. So tell the folks how this
come about?
Speaker 2: All right, So the Midas Touch family to the Maya
Kulpa family. Let me just give you a little bit
of a background story here on how this all materialized,
what ended up happening. Is Ben, Jordie Brett, the Misellas brothers.
We all became friends approximately two years ago when I
started Maya Culpa. Midas Touch has been involved, but we
became friends over the course of the past two years,
to the extent that we would speak at nighttime with
all of this nonsense and craziness going on. I would speak,
you know, a lot, and mostly really to Ben about
some of the things that are happening, some of the
things that I'm involved with, so that he would be
able to share it with you the Midas family. And
ultimately what ended up happening is I started, as you
all know, coming on the various different programs, and things
lit up where now at twenty thousand people, thirty thousand people,
fifty thousand people started joining in order to listen to
our raw, well uncensored, unfiltered, as you know, I have
a filthy mouth, uncensored explanations of what is transpiring right
now in America, in our unfortunate you know, democracy, and
in our unfortunate Department of Justice situation. Well, to make
a long story short, this is where the concept of
the beatdown came from, because that's what Ben and I do.
We beat down on all of these individuals who deserve
to be beaten down. But unfortunately, you're not going to
get that type of information from mainstream or cable news
media simply because they have restrictions and we don't. So
Ben and I decided this is what we're going to do.
We're going to create a live show out of this.
We're then going to place it into a podcast situation,
so you can go back, you can tell your friends
about it. It's going to be something special, I promise you.
Speaker 1: So let's just get right into it. And I can't
tell you how thrilled I am to host this with you.
And by the way, we're planning on doing this same
time every week Thursday at twelve eastern nine am Pacific,
and then Tuesdays the same time, so twice a week.
Maybe you'll get Cohen and I doing it more than
twice a week, but for now, Tuesdays and Thursdays nine
am Pacific, twelve eastern. We are going to beat down
on the fascists and beat down on those who are
enabling fascists and the erosion of our democracy. And so
let's start right at the top here with the New
York Attorney General's fraud lawsuit. And look, Cohen. When this
lawsuit was announced back in September, after a year and
a half plus of the special proceeding a deposition where
Donald Trump invoke to his Fifth Amendment rights over four
hundred times, New York Attorney General Letitia James credited you
as being one of the main sources, if not the
main source, to initiate this by providing the information about
Donald Trump's fraudulent valuations. This case is set for trial
early October of twenty twenty three, and emergency hearing was held.
And I'll get into the nooks and grannies of the
emergency hearing, but the big takeaway from the hearing is
Judge Arthur and Goren saying we are not moving that
trial date. I want to be crystal clear with the
Trump lawyers here, all of your tactics are not going
to delay this thing. So from a thirty thousand view, Cohen,
what's this case about? And how much trouble is Trump
in for this case?
Speaker 2: All right? First of all, it'll be great if Salty
if you, by chance happened to have the clip of
Tis James credited me for it, because that then brings
into obviously the testimony, the deposition that Donald gave that
was recently released. That just goes to show how absolutely
inept and fucking stupid that he actually is. So if
you have that and you can play it, just let
me know. But it's why we call this the beatdown.
All right, That's what we did. We went ahead. We
provided the information that the Attorney General needed, and what
is she going to do now in this civil matter,
beat down on Trump, beat down onto the Trump board.
Just as just as it's already happened at the DA side,
it will happen at the Attorney general side now. As
Bagel Ben had said, not too you know, many seconds ago,
what Judge Angeron has had enough. He's had enough, he
has seen and I have talked about it. So I'm
sure much of it is coming from comments that I
had made. Donald's tactic on everything is to delay, delay, delay,
and he will have none of that. He already told them,
no frivolous motions, no more bullshit. I've had enough. It's
going to start. I believe it's October second or third
of twenty twenty three, and this guy means business. He
wants he wants this thing over and done with. And
what I really loved also is in the deposition, the
recorded deposition that Attorney General Tiss James had with Donald
the other day. She's explaining to him the distinction between
a criminal and a civil procedure, a criminal and civil
matter whereby he is being deposed. However, any lies that
are told obviously have repercussions that can also be criminal.
So this is really moving. It's moving very quickly. As
I have said so many times, not just on this program,
but on other news television outlets and through media. I
don't believe that the base of two hundred and fifty
million is going to be where tis James finishes this case,
because based upon what I know and the information that
has been provided, I believe the number is at least
six seven hundred million dollars. It is a multiple of
the base that she's looking for. Here.
Speaker 1: Here's what I love about this podcast is that we're
getting the insider's view. I mean, we're not giving you
a hypothesis. You know, we're not getting what We're not
trying to act like these analysts. Goll Here's what I
think is going to happen. Like Cohen has seen the financials,
like Cohen knows the documents. This is such a rare
thing that while this is occurring in the real world,
while these prosecutions are happening, while these massive civil lawsuits
are happening, we have the main witness hosting this show
the political beat down here who's giving you the inside scoop?
And so you know it's the inside scoop because Trump's
calling Cohen out in the depositions before he invokes the
Fifth over and over again. Let's play this clip. The
video was just released, the video deposition of Donald Trump
where he invoked his Fifth Amendment rights over four hundred times, which,
by the way, in a civil case, when you invoke
the Fifth Amendment like that, it's an adverse inference, unlike
in a criminal case. So you can go to the
jury or go to the judge if you're the New
York Attorney General, and say, look, donald Trump pled the
Fifth when asked this question. You can offer you can
infer based on this that the reason that he is
not answering the question is that because he is. If
he did answer the question truthfully, he'd be admitting guilt,
he'd be admitting liability. So you should find them responsible
for that. That's one of the many reasons that's Trump's
dead in the water on this one. But let's play
this clip from the deposition.
Speaker 3: As a pretense for commencing our bogus investment mitigation, Letitia
James relied on the testimony of Michael Cohen, a convicted
felon and liar the Southern District of New York. Astutely
described Cohen as a man who quote repeatedly used his
power and influence for deceptive ends by engaging in quote extensive, deliberate,
and serious criminal conduct consistent with a quote pattern of
deception that permeated his professional life. This was a long
mini page statement by him. It only gets worse. This
is the witness a Stone called loser, the real loser
that she used to justify her obsessive work, her obsessive
investigation of men, though he got in civil and criminal
trouble for representing himself on a taxi cab company that
he had and other things, and also others as a lawyer, Cohen,
your reaction.
Speaker 2: My reaction is fuck you, all right. First of all,
all you have to do is now take a look
at Ali Hoenigg's new book, Untouchable, which is the bookend
to Revenge, all right, something that again I will always
tell everybody you have to read. It is the playbook
for what Donald is doing right now. Donald is the
one who set this thing up with his Attorney General,
Bill Barr if anybody had not seen two days ago,
and we're going to post it here on Midas. We're
going to make it a part of this thing. Rachel
Maddow and Salty. If you have that one, it's absolutely fantastic.
Please put it up for everyone to see. Rachel Maddow
did a fifteen minute takedown on Jeffrey Berman, fifteen minutes
that explains every thing so well what Donald had done.
And Judge William H. Pauley, the third the judge in
my case. First of all, Donald conflates nine different things.
I didn't represent myself. I had counsel my entire cases.
You would read in revenge took place in forty eight hours.
And the only reason that I took the plea I
had no choice. They were going to file an eighty
page indictment from a Friday at five point thirty pm
to a Monday that was going to include my wife. Now,
unlike Donald, who doesn't care about anyone or anything other
than himself, who would have thrown any one of his
three wives under the bus, I'm a little bit different
of a person. I actually loved my wife dearly. I
would not allow them to walk my wife out of
my home in cuffs in front of the whole world
for their publicity bullshit. The Southern District of New York
Tom McKay, Nick Ruse. You have Robert Kazami, you have
Jeffrey Berman, Andrea Griswold, the whole lock stock and barrel
of these bullshit artists. They will all be All of
this will be revealed in time, simply because government still
to this day refuses to give me any of the
documents that we have made the request for under foyer.
All right, I'm talking four hundred and eighty six thousand documents,
and again I talk about it in the book Revenge.
They first claimed that nothing in our foyer met with
any of the documents that they had. It did not
it did not touch on any of the items that
we had asked for in our Foya request. We realized
that that was wrong. I hired the council Mark Zaid,
who is this is what he does for a living.
They then come back with an apology. This matter is
also being pursued by Ted lu Hakim, Jeffrey Steve Cohen,
It was by Carolyn Maloney as well as Senator Dick Durbin,
all to the ig. But this is yesterday, right. This
is things that I've ordered done that will ultimately show
to be true. It will be my revenge, my vindication
against this corrupt Department of Justice, which Donald Trump is
now trying to claim to be his own when he
states weaponization of the Justice Department. It's a bunch of bullshit,
which is just part of the eighty two billion lies
that Donald Trump had told the American people. But let's
now take this and let's use this. Oh, by the way,
somebody has to explain to me, how does the term
stone cold get used with the term loser. It just
doesn't make any sense, which again is why I say
Donald is stupid. Stone cold is somebody like a stone
cold killer, right, somebody who has no emotion, They don't
care about life or anything like that. How does that
term get used when you're talking about a loser. You
want to call me a loser, call me a loser.
And the fact of the matter is, as it related
to the taxi industry, he has no idea what he's
talking about because I have never which again and I
talk about in the book, I have never filed a
late tax return in my life. I have never owed
the government any money. At least that's what I thought
based upon my CPA. Who I pay this guy, Jeff
Getzel to do my tax You know, my taxes. I
gave him every single statement, and I'm going to then
put all of the checks that were deposited. Every single
dollar was in Capital One Bank, which is located the
base of the building that I live in. And so
moving forward, Attorney General Tiss James has this guy literally
by the short hairs, and trust me, with his mushroom pecker,
you could bet that there's short hairs. They probably flip
over to from one nutsack to the other. My point
is when it comes to Donald, I promise you the
way that he was talking in that clip, that sort
of I'm on way too much valium or I didn't
sleep for a month. I promise you, when this case
goes to trial in October, he's going to be even
worse because he may be the worst person to ever
have on a witness stand to be deposed. It's why
he hates being deposed, because his true stupidity, his true
intellect or lack of comes out. And I promise you, folks,
the pain that he is going to feel as a
direct result of Tiss James's civil case is unspeakable. Then
there's the District Attorney's case, which is criminal, and I'm
sure Ben and I will be getting to that in
a few minutes.
Speaker 1: And Lak Cohen, here, here's the difference. You spoke in
front of Congress. You explain to them you didn't invoke
the fifth, you speak on them.
Speaker 2: And eight times I spoke to eight different Congressional committees,
eight times each one nine ow seventy two hours of testimony.
I may hold the record in American history for speaking
before Congress, especially regarding an investigation. I never took the fifth.
I may have said I don't know about that, I
have no knowledge or information about it, but I never
took the fifth. You know what? Do you know why?
Because only criminals take the fifth? Right Donald when he's
talking about Hillary Clinton? Who takes the fifth? Only? Well
SALTI Q.
Speaker 1: What took place for the rest of the deposition of
Donald Trump after him saying that about Cohen and reading
a prepared statement, if you even want to call what
Donald Trump was doing their reading, this is how the
rest of the deposition went play the cliff.
Speaker 3: For all of the above reasons, I respectfully declined to
answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to
every citizen under the United States Constitution. This will be
my answer to any further questions is Trump.
Speaker 4: The focus our investigation and what we are primarily going
to today involves the presentation of your statements of financial
condition between two thy eleven and the present. I take
it you are generally familiar with those statements.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: For all of the reasons provided in my answer, which
is incorporated herein in its entirety, I declined to answer
the question, so.
Speaker 1: What Donald Trump tried to do? Why there was this
emergency hearing though that the Attorney General had requested and
Judge Arthur and Gron granted it right away. In the
answer that Donald Trump filed to the complaint that New
York Attorney General Letitia James filed. So the answer responds
to all of the allegations. Donald Trump and his adult
children's responses were we don't have the information to respond.
They tried to not deny. They denied things that they
shouldn't have denied that were absolutely true. But then with
other things where they were asked like who leads the
Trump organization? Is the Trump organization a Delaware corporate Is
this LLC related to the Trump organization? The response was,
we don't have by Trump, we don't have the information
to respond. Therefore, we can neither admit nor deny. And
it was about a three hundred page document. And so
New York Attorney General Latitia James and lots of lawyers
now in these Trump litigations, they're doing it because they
know that these are all delay tactics by Donald Trump.
So the moment Trump does that, they go right away,
right to the court, rush to the courthouse, tell the judge, look,
he's trying to delay it. And that's what happened. And basically,
after this hearing took place yesterday, Judge Arthur and Gorem
took a break, and then Trump's lawyers back down. When
you confront Trump, he's very weak and he backs down.
And his lawyers said that they were going to correct
the answer and that they would file a new answer,
and that the trial date is not being moved. Let's
talk though about the Manhattan District Attorney. You were on
the Midas Touch podcast a few weeks back after you
were seen leaving a meeting with the Manhattan District Attorney.
I mean, look, you're one of the key witness, if
not the key witness in that case. I know there's
a lot that you can't legally talk about to protect
the integrity of the case. So we obviously want to
respect that here. But about two weeks ago after you
have that meeting, we've now learned it's been reported that
the you know, and as we believed was we're going
to happen after the meeting that you had, that there
is now a criminal grand jury in Manhattan that is
investigating Donald Trump for tax fraud related crimes, specifically the
Stormy Daniels hush money that Donald Trump, uh, you know,
paid and or paid you paid, and he tried to
hide and conceal as legal costs, and that he blames
one hundred percent on you. So what's your reaction though,
in terms of what you can talk about it what's
publicly out there regarding this grand jury and about this
case in general.
Speaker 2: So I can't discuss anything as it relates to the
impaneling of a grand jury. I can't discuss, you know,
anything about going back in testifying the whole nine yards.
I had an interesting phone call today from a journalist
you know, who wanted to ask me a couple of questions.
And unfortunately, because my goal is to provide uncensored, raw truth,
as I have whether it was to the Moler team,
whether it was to the Attorney General, the district Attorney,
Mark Pomerants carrying Dune while I was in Otis Field
when they came up to visit. By the way, in
case anybody is curious in regard to when Syvance was
running the show, just prior to Alvin Bragg taking office
and you had Pomerants and done seven weeks into Alvin
Bragg's into his tenure. One of the things that you
may want to do is watch sixty Minutes. I heard
that Mark Pomerantz is going to be on it. That's
what this journalist was asking me if I know anything
about the book that he's putting out. But I do
suspect that it's probably it's probably a pretty good interview
on sixty Minutes, So I would certainly recommend watching that.
But as it relates to this da case, I've been
asked not to disclose anything as it relates to what
they're doing now. One of the things that did come
out on my appearance on CNN with Don Lemon yesterday morning,
and believe me, it's early, you know, at seven to
fifteen am. One of the things that I did disclose
is that the district attorney requested my two phones, the
same two phones that were seized by the FBI during
the April twenty eighteen raid. And it took me a
little time to find them because it's not the phone
that I use any longer. Right after it was taken,
and obviously I was free to do what I wanted,
I went to the store. I got myself another phone.
So these ended up in a massive box and got
confused with some other boxes. Ultimately found them, turned them
over their charge. They're functional, they have everything on them.
The district attorney had much of that, if not all
of that information before. Why they wanted the phones, I
don't know. I can speculate like anybody else. It's to
have the originals in case anybody wants to challenge it.
Maybe there was more that they wanted to see. I
don't know. The more that I get sucked into this matter,
the more I will be able to share down the
line with our Midas family, with our beatdown family here,
our political beatdown family, because one thing that that I
have no intention of doing is not sharing this information
with the public. I believe in transparency. I believe the
reason that I got my ass kicked so badly in
that forty eight hours. What the Southern District of New
York did is because there was no transparency. There still
is no transparency as it relates to my case. And
again I request everyone to please pull up that Rachel
Madam and we're going to put it onto the Midas
site for everybody to see. It's a fifteen minute It
explains so much about what I've been yelling from the
rooftops for the last two and a half years since
I was ultimately released and then of course with the
unconstitutional reman back to prison. So my friends, I promise
you stay with us. You're going to hear it from
the guy who's there at the epicenter of this again,
you know. And I also I wanted to just touch
on I received another phone call this morning from another
other journalists who then asked me a question that nobody
else has asked. Are you actually going to even participate
if they call you to the grand jury? Will you
willingly participate? Will you be a witness against Donald with
this District attorney case? And I sat for a second
before answering, which is what they teach you to do
during depositions? Whether you're giving it or you're the recipient.
And I thought to myself, that's a question nobody has
ever asked me, including the DA, whether or not I
intend to be called as a witness. So I thought
it was very, very interesting because look, at the end
of the day, there were a lot of MAGA crazies
that are out there. You may all recall when the
Maga crazies storm the Capitol on January sixth. You see
now all of these both Republican and Democratic members of
congre screaming that they need security, they need protection. Well,
you know what, so do we. You know, this doesn't
benefit me personally. I've already done my time. I've already
been financially decimated, you know, by this. And it doesn't
benefit Bagel Ben either or Midas, because what happens is
you create an ire from somebody as sick and crazy
as Donald who has the ability to weaponize the Justice Department.
He is the ability to create this mod the army.
And so the thing I said to the journalist is
I have no reason to say that I'm not but
I do actually want to speak to my wife and
to my tuth because this affects them too. People don't
realize just how injurious this entire process is, especially when
you have people who are crazy that are willing to
do anything for their fury. So you know that I'm
not saying I'm not going to be a part of this.
I most certainly am, but I do want everyone to
understand that it does come with consequences, consequences far beyond
you know what most people think or know.
Speaker 1: Well, look, and the consequences are right here. Look what
Donald Trump reposted yesterday, And Senator Chris Murphy from Connecticut
points this out and says, look, it will likely get
little to no attention today that the current front runner
for the Republican presidential nomination just told his supporters to
start arming themselves for a civil war to overthrow the
government in case he loses. Just Trump being Trump so quirky,
and this is what Donald Trump reposted. Then they will
have to figure out how to fight eighty million plus
It's not going to happen again. People my age and
old will physically fight for him this time. What do
we got to lose. I'll donate the rest of my
time here on this planet to do it, and I
know many others feel the same. They got my six
and we are locked and loaded. And Donald Trump reposts
that and that's the leader public right.
Speaker 2: They call it retruthed, which is hysterical because there's not
He wouldn't know truth if it bit him in his ass.
It is so dangerous what he's saying. Go ahead, Bagel Ben,
I apologize. I shouldn't have interrupted.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that I want to to your point.
That's what I'm going to read you another one that
he posted. But what's your response to that one?
Speaker 2: He's dangerous, and it's what I've been saying all along.
It's one of the reasons, as you may recall, in
my testimony before the House Oversight Committee, when I turn around,
I said, the reason I am here today is I
have a fear. And what is my fear. It is
that if Donald Trump loses the reelection, there will never
be a peaceful transfer of power. What he is doing
is he is trying to intimidate the American people. He's
trying to intimidate the courts. He's trying to intimidate prosecutors.
He's trying to intimidate everyone so that they do not
charge him, that they do not go after him or
his family or his inner circle, for all of their
dirty deeds. It's not happening. Trust me when I tell
you that's right. There are eighty million people, which I
don't believe that that's the right number. It's probably more
like sixteen to twenty million that are diehard Trump fans.
But you also have to remember that of that twenty million,
how many of them are older where they're not going
to be doing the things that Donald wants, which is
to storm a capital, to start taking prisoners, to arm themselves,
and to lead another insurrection against democracy. All right, but
I do want people to understand even a fraction of
that number is serious numbers, and we all need to
be vigilant. We need to keep our eyes and our
ears open. We need to be safe, we need to
be strong. It's why I also, please, I implore each
and every one of you with us here today on
our first podcast, tell your friends about Political Beatdown, Tell
them to join us, because this is not just a podcast.
And I say this all the time, and I hope
people aren't getting angry at me for being repetitive. But
we are a family, we are a movement. We need
to ensure that when midas touched when political beatdown speaks,
and we all are going to assemble somewhere that we
have force larger than Donald's forts in order to combat it,
because rest assured, if we don't and we sit back
and we put our head in the sand waiting for
this stuff to pass, we may find ourselves in America
that we don't recognize. And that's the danger of Donald Trump.
You know. I end my book Revenge with a quote, Well,
it's a line that I had written. Trump Ism is
and we need to erase it from our body politic
we do, and I'm imploring everyone to please tell your
friends about this, make sure that they join us in
this movement, because we need to be so strong that
not only do we put fear into the hearts of
the Republicans, but at the same time we have the
ability to wield force within the Democratic Party in order
to ensure that things get done that protect all of us,
that provide benefits for all of us, not just the
elite class that appears, you know, to claim that they're
representing us.
Speaker 1: Here here's one of the other posts that he made.
This one seems to be about you, where it says,
with respect to the quote stormy nonsense. And by the way,
you see his new avatar, it's this weird image of
his like face looking you know, ominous with the American
flag painted over it, desecrating the American flag. I mean,
it's just a sick, disgusting trader. Like in every aspect,
this individual is like the most despicable person ever.
Speaker 2: Anyway, do you do notice that he spelled counsel wrong
he is, So I have to tell everybody how stupid
he is. Honestly, first of all, it's co u n sel,
which is what he's trying to say. So he sowed them. Actually,
many people think from that tweet Pigel Ben that he's
acknowledging that he had the relationship with Stormy Daniels. Why
don't you let's take this, Let's take the whole thing apart. Right,
let's just let's just take it apart.
Speaker 1: I'll read it and let's break it down. With respect
to the quote stormy nonsense, it is very old. It
happened a long time ago, long past the very publicly
known and accepted deadline of the Statute of Limitations. I
placed full reliance on the judgment and advice of counsel
spelled incorrectly, who I had every reason to believe had
a license to practice law, was competent, and was able
to appropriately provide solid legal services. He came from a
good law firm, represented other clients over the years, and
there was no reason not to rely on him, and
I did. Yeah, it sounds like a confession to me.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it's to me to me as well. However,
let's see what he's doing here, what he's trying to do,
and obviously he got some advice from somebody decided to
then try to be his normal unclever self and you know,
deflect and to blame somebody else, because if you've noticed
over the course of Donald's history, he never accepts responsibility
for anything. It's always somebody's fault. It's Michael's fault, it's
Rudy's fault, it's a Lena Habaa Baba's fault. Right, it's
you know, it's everybody else's fault except for his. Let's
be very clear about something. I'm not the one who
had the there. He did. In fact, he had it
before I was even working for him. The notion that
I'm supposed to tell him that he doesn't or he
shouldn't do an NDA. This is not going to be
this is not going to be beneficial to him. But
the best part, and the part that is hands down
the stupidest of all, is the notion that there is
a statute of limitations bar on this case. For so
many reasons that it is not. But I promise you,
all right, the District Attorney of Manhattan, with the one
hundred lawyers that are working on this, I assure you
that this is a question that originally came up, and
they have everything in their arsenal to ensure that the
statute of limitations defense that is Council will attempt to interpose,
will not be accepted, will not be granted by the court.
Speaker 1: Coin I couldn't agree more with you. And you mentioned
Elena Habba there. She was not in court at the
emergency hearing that took place yesterday. There was a filing
in the Egen Carol federal case where Egen Carroll's lawyer
said that Habba said that she was withdrawing from the
case and Trump was bringing in Joe Tacapino. They brought
in Tacapino, and Hobba said, no, I'm still clinging on
because like Habba doesn't know how to really be a
real lawyer. She doesn't know how to try cases anyway.
You know, it's all bluster and bravado. And that's why
she was sanctioned. I mean for a lot of reasons.
You know, with these frivolous lawsuits that she's attached to.
Trump's been held in contempt, She's been sanctioned, and he's
been sanctioned over one million dollars in the Southern District
of Florida. They then had to withdraw all the other
cases that she filed in these various other federal courts,
including one in a federal court New York that was
before the Second Circuit, another one that was pending before
the same Judge Donald Middlebrooks in the Southern District of Florida.
Judge Donald Middlebrooks in his sanction order, though also basically
said that Alena Habba should be disbarred. He didn't use
those exact words, but said that, you know, sanctions enough,
sanctions alone is not enough, and that ethics and state
bars need to look into her. So I think that
she's going to be in a lot of hot water
there with her legal license filing that frivolous lawsuit. I
don't know if the New York Bar has already started
an inquiry, but it's everything Trump touches dies Elena. Alena
Habba got to at least see what was happening before
her with other council as well. Look what's happening with
John Eastman. Eastman is now likely going to be disbarred
in California. California State Bar filed a proceeding against him.
Is Alena Habba in?
Speaker 2: Is she out?
Speaker 1: I mean, she's eventually going to be out. It's obvious,
you know, whether you know whether it's Trump firing her
or her being disbarred or something happening like that, but
you know it. The whole thing is just so strange
and as gen Z would say, cringey. But I'll also
add fascist to it as well.
Speaker 2: Exactly Now there's another lawyer as well, the one who
signed the affidavit stating that there are no more documents
or records being kept at Maro Lardo, which turned out
to be false. My understanding is that there's bar complaint
against that lawyer as well. But since we're on the
topic of bar complaints, this is a really interesting thing.
You follow me on Twitter. You'll see I posted something
yesterday and then again this morning. I filed a bar
complaint against Jeffrey Berman, the former head of the Southern
District of New York here, you know, with the New
York State Bar Association. And I did it because in
his own book he acknowledges that while he was recused,
and that means he is not permitted to be a
part or have anything to do with this case. Right,
It's the whole concept of building the wall. He was
supposed to step aside. Everything was supposed to run through
this guy Kazami, that was his second in command. He
steps aside, but main Justice Bill Barr and his people
were contacting him on a regular basis, making claims, all right,
that they need to whitewash documents that have Donald's name
attached to it or individual number one. In fact, that
they did that to over twenty pages of the document
in my charging in the charging document against me. This
is interesting. So the New York State Bar Association then
responds back, and I give quotes from Jeffrey Berman's own book.
I give quotes. The Bar Association comes back and says, well,
he also said in his book that he did nothing wrong,
so they're not going to investigate. Well, what I did
then is I attached Rachel Maddow's fifteen minute takedown of
Bill Barr. Of yep, that's that's it right there, all right.
I then go ahead and I attached to the Bar
Association that YouTube video. They're telling us that they can't
use it. So I'm getting the transcript that I'm gonna
have it sent in a different format, you know, to them,
which is the takedown of Bill Barr, Jeffrey Berman and
so on. To make a long story short, I asked
for a reconsideration, and I will once again keep everybody
in the loop because, as Bagel Ben said a minute ago,
everything Donald Trump touches dies, but it's not he doesn't
have to be, you know, the opposite of the Midas
touch guy, right. I mean, it's funny that Midas touched
where everything turns to gold. He's the you know, he's
the shit guy where everything he touches just dies at
the end of the day. All right, It's not just him.
Bill Barr, a guy, do you know, Well, this is amazing.
A journalist spoke to Bill Barr the other day and
tried to lock in on him regarding me and how
Donald Trump used him, and whether or not he feels
bad about it. His comment to this journalist, and you
can't make this shit up. Michael Who, Michael Cohen Who.
I have no idea who he is. I have no
idea what you're talking about. Can you possibly imagine that
that's what this idiot would say? I have no idea
why he has not been pulled in front of many
different like the House Judiciary, the Senate judiciary, somebody. How
is it possible that he has not been brought forward.
I don't know the answer to that, but I want
to go one step further too. It's not just Jeffrey
Berman from the Southern District of New York WO. I
filed the bar complaint. I want everybody to be held accountable,
and I'm doing it to protect our democracy. These people
cannot get away with it and rest to shortened. I
say this again in revenge, and I ask everyone to
get the book to read it so you understand what
I'm saying to you. I did this as well to
a guy named Brent Blakely in California. I file that document,
that bar complaint eighteen months ago and I'm still waiting
for a determination from the California Bar. I mean, this
bullshit has to stop. People have to be held accountable.
And when I say people have to be held accountable,
I don't only mean the poor, the minority, the black
and brown, the Hispanic, those that can't defend themselves. I'm
telling of people who have positions of power. They're the
ones that are more dangerous than the people on the street.
It is absolutely inconceivable to me that eighteen months should
pass by. And the answer that they've given me as
to why it's taken so long, Well, this is a
very high profile case, so it has to go through
multiple channels of review. Interesting thing is, at the very
beginning of that case, the attorney that was working and
doing the investigation. My understanding is that she moved on
to a private firm and that somehow my file got lost. Now,
if you believe that bullshit, I have three bridges here
in New York to sell you. They're not doing too
well in terms of shape, which is why we needed
an infrastructure bill. But nevertheless they're for sale and I
got it for you. That's how crazy it is. We
Midas touched Michael Cohen the Myceells, brothers, Mayakulpa, all of
you together. We have to ensure that these people are
held accountable because every single day they tread just a
little bit further down the road in terms of destroying
our democracy and not while we're breathing, we will not
let this happen.
Speaker 1: Cole, You know how I know we mind meld because
you stole my Infrastructure Act corny joke that I was
going to you took it. I was like, I got
the Infrastructure Act joke ready to go. You took it,
but you did mention. The House Judiciary Committee, which is
now being controlled by a bunch of MAGA nutcases led
by Jim Jordan and Matt Gates, is on it. You know,
we've seen this week all of this like performative weird
crap going on by these MAGA Republicans, and one of
them is in the House Judiciary Committee, which they said, look,
we want to make sure that, you know, one of
the MAGA members can always say the pledge of allegiance
before the House Judiciary Committee, you know, starts the meetings
like okay, sure, like do it. I don't think you
need a resolution for that, but just do the pledge.
It's it's okay, but you know what we've seen in
these committee meetings, you know, basically led by Hakeem Jeffrey's
fierce defense of democracy and the kind of unification of
Democrats pushing back against these fascist MAGA report publicans. We've
seen so many examples of it, but this is the
one I want to show on our show right now.
In the House Judiciary Committee, where after Matt Gates introduced
the Pledge of Allegiance resolution, a Democratic Congress Member David
Cicillini added a caveat. He added an amendment and said,
so long as insurrectionists individuals who support the overthrow of
our democracy and who supported the insurrectionists on January sixth,
they won't be able to lead the Pledge of Allegiance.
I think we have this clip. It's quite incredible if
we could play it, Salty, let's play that clip right now.
Speaker 5: Thank you, mister chairman. I know mister Ia just made
reference to how important it is for us to display
our commitment to the Constitution and to commit to defend
it aggressively. So I'd like to offer an amendment to
the amendment, adding in the second paragraph where the chair
may designate an individual to lead the Pledge of Allegiance
to add the following language, provided, however, the pledge shall
not be led by an individual who supported an insurrection
against the government of the United States in any way,
Because I think if we adopt this amendment, then we
will be truthful in representing that stating this pledge is
an affirmation of your defense of democracy and the Constitution.
It's hard to take that claim seriously if in fact,
an individual who in any way supported an insurrection against
the government that I say is allowed.
Speaker 2: To leave the pledge.
Speaker 5: So I would ask mister Gates to accept this friendly amendment,
and I look forward to supporting with the gentleman yield
for at first asked me the Gates, I will support
the amendment to make sure that someone who led an
insurrection against United States doesn't make a mockery of the
Pledge of Allegiance and stand before this committee with their
hand over their heart claiming to support the Constitution.
Speaker 6: Misterizelini, my concern would be if your definition of an
insurrection is objecting to electors, then there would be many
Democrats on the committee that wouldn't be eligible to lead
the pledge.
Speaker 2: In so many that's not my definition.
Speaker 6: Last Republican president get worn in democratic objectors was George
Herbert Walker.
Speaker 5: Claming my time as Skates, I will allow the chairman
to determine whether or not someone has participated in insurrection, and
I says, I think this language is important.
Speaker 2: With the gentleman further yield, I'm.
Speaker 5: Asking, mister Gates, will you now accept the amendment?
Speaker 6: Well, I'm concerned that you may be disqualifying too many
of your own members.
Speaker 5: Misters siswam, I'm not concerned about that at all.
Speaker 2: Then agreed to the amendment. With this, let's make this real.
Speaker 5: If you want to give someone the right to stand
before the House Judiciary Committee and lead the pledge of allegiance,
at a bare minimum, let's guarantee that that person has
not participated or supported or in any way helped and
overthrow of the government of the United States with the gentleman,
A simple proposition.
Speaker 2: And since the lead he.
Speaker 1: Was great, he's like, I'm not worried about that at all. Okay,
tell me which Democrat I know you want to do? Well,
what about this? What about that? No, y'all led an
insurrection on January sixth, including you, Gates, you who asked
for a blanket pardon regarding all of your criminal activity
throughout your entire freaking life. To Donald Trump and all
the others on the Judiciary Committee and the magi Republicans
in Congress who have also asked for pardons for their
conduct leading insurrections and all their other criminal conduct, cod
what's your reaction to that.
Speaker 2: This is exactly why I keep saying thank God for
all of the folks that are with us today that
a part of the mightas touch family, that are going
to be part of the political beatdown family that may
occulp the family. These people do not belong wearing congressional pins.
They do not belong as members of the of our
you know, of our house. They just don't look how
look how stupid this makes us look in the eyes
of the rest of the world. The fact that you
have somebody who was charged with underage X trafficking of
young females and males. His wingman, this guy Joe Greenberg,
ends up going away. This is Matt Gates is like
a little Minnie Donald, right. This is absolutely insane that
somebody else can go away for his complicity in a
felony in a crime and he's now the chair of
the House Judiciary. Folks, what the fuck is wrong with us?
What are we doing? Can you imagine what's gonna happen? Now?
What's gonna happen when you know they they really get
themselves situated, They sit down, they decide, oh, you know what,
the House Judiciary is going to call John Doe or
James Smith, you know, to the you know, to the
House for testimony. Simply then they're gonna subpoena that person,
simply to go after Joe Biden, simply to go after
are Hunter Biden, simply to go after Kamala Harris, simply
to go after Nancy Pelosi, simply to go after Michael Cohen,
Ben Micellus. I mean, who knows who they're going to
go after. This is the danger when you have people
like Matt Gates as the chair. I mean the fact that.
Speaker 1: Cohen we're going to be fair, to be fair, the
chair is actually Jim Jordan, who covered up sex abuse
at Ohio State University for a wrestling coach who sexually
abused close to twenty or thirty of the individuals in
that program. Matt Gates has a leadership position. He's accused
of sex trafficking miners and raping minors, so we've got
both of those on leaders which the clarification makes it worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, my apologies. You are right, he's in
a leadership position role. I mean, this is so dangerous,
the fact that he's even on the judiciary. If in
fact he's innocent of the charges, then so be it.
He's innocent, go back to your position and so on.
But the fact that these charges are still pending. From
what I understand, I don't know that he has been
you know, relieved of these you know of this investigation.
I don't know what's happening. It's it goes to show
you why a podcast like this is so necessary, because
now we're going to go do our investigation and find
out what happened because I don't know. They have not
been transparent with it. And the same thing when it
comes to Jim Jordan, this is a serious allegation that
he has been sitting with for years, and the fact
that he could be the chair. This just goes to
show you why we need to be so vigilant, why
we need to ensure that everybody you know that everybody
remains active, proactive to ensure that people like this are
not re elected. They do not have the right, they
do not have the qualify vacation, they do not have
the they don't have what it takes in order to
be representatives of the people. That's just how I feel
about it. And you know, one of the things actually
that one of our viewers today was talking about, I'm
going to call her him or her out Marta. It's
at Womack Rights. Regular people are held accountable with overkill.
The rich, political or famous get off Scott free not cool. Well,
You're one hundred percent correct. That's the point that I'm
trying to make. That's what Ben and I are trying
to do with this podcast, what we do with our
other podcasts as well, what I'm doing with the book Revenge.
I am ensuring that people understand that there are others
that are out there that are fighting as hard as
we can in order to combat what is wrong with
our Department of Justice with the inappropriate sentencing guidelines that
only seem to affect the non rich. Well, I mean,
I was rich in my tom look what happened to me.
But I was opposed to somebody much richer and more
powerful than I. This cannot happen. This is handmade tail stuff.
And the second we allow them to do this, to
violate our constitutional rights, to take advantage of the judicial system,
to weaponize the Department of Justice, that will be the
end of our democracy.
Speaker 1: Cohen, you mentioned these individuals, these fascists disgracing the congressional
pins that they're wearing. I don't know if you caught this,
Like this is real, This isn't a made up meme.
So the Maga Republicans in the House of Representatives, they've
now removed their American lapel pin from the other side
of their jackets and they're now all donning AR fifteen
pins in honor of school shootings. Promoting school shootings. Now
you talk about what the world thinks of the United
States of America. I mean there you have two Maga
Republicans there, one George Santos, and both of them, by
the way that you just saw there, they like change
their names and they've like had multiple identities. Like that's
one of the things with these Maga Republicans, Like they've
changed names, changed identities to grift or whatever. Just beyond
just weird, weird crap. But I want you to think
about that. You know, these individuals they remove their American
la pelpons and it's not unique to those two. This
is what the Magas and the House Republicans are wearing.
This is real. Uh, they're wearing ar fifteens to celebrate
school shootings. I mean, it could not be more disgusting
than that. And that the fact that there's a constituency
for that, and you know, while whatever the hell that dystopian,
disgusting performative display of promoting schools, but at whatever that is.
There's additional news on the legal side for us to
cover about George Santos. The FBIS opened up another investigation
into Santos. They're of course investigating him out of the
Eastern District of New York for campaign finance violations. Santos
claims he loaned himself seven hundred thousand dollars. He obviously
doesn't have that money. He's lying about that it came
from someone else to try to do an end run
around the campaign finance limit of fifty eight hundred dollars
per cycle twenty eight hundred primaries, twenty eight hundred in
the general for a total of fifty six hundred dollars.
So the Department of Justice FBI is investigating that. They're
also investigating now the fact that he set up a
GoFundMe account for disabled homeless veterans to raise money for
their pets, claiming that they were going to provide life
saving treatment for their pets, and then a Santos using
the name Anthony de Valder, he would steal the money
that was supposed to go to life saving treatment for
the pets of homeless disabled veterans, and then he would
mock the veterans and call them needy and telling him
to shut the f up. And I mean there's text
messages of this of him saying this, and you know
the veteran in question, his name is Astoff, is one
of the veterans.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He provided his text messages to the Patch, which is
a local newspaper which published those messages. I mean, you
can't get more low than this. And speaking of the MAGA,
Republicans like rewarding that they originally rewarded Santos. They put
him on the Small Business Committee that oversees PPP fraud
in small businesses. They put a fraud to do the
oversights of PPP loan fraud, when indeed the MAGA Republicans
were the ones taking hundreds of thousands of dollars and
millions of dollars in some cases of PPP money, getting
that debt forgiven, but then also attacking Americans when Biden
proposes a plan to relieve ten thousand dollars of student
debt for people making less than one hundred and twenty
five thousand dollars. We need to talk in the terms
that you and I talk like this, because we got
to tell Americans this is We've got to call these
people out as disgusting, effing traders. We just got to
call them out and just be direct. Their losers, their traders,
their MAGA fascists, and they are anti American. Let's use
the right language, and we're going to use that language
on the political beatdown. Because do I agree with Democrats
and Biden on everything?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I disagree. I disagree on a lot of things. But
you know, where are political parties focused on having a
living wage for people and bringing manufacturing jobs and developing
plans for infrastructure, and protecting a woman's right over her
body and making health care costs lower and focusing on
making education more accessible and affordable and helping veterans get
life saving care like those are real freaking things. And
then you have maga Republicans, these freaking idiots, these freaking
trader losers wearing AR fifteen pins on their jacket, like
disgusting freaking traders con you see, you get me going
a little bit on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the whole purpose here. I mean, one
of the things in salty if you could put this
up as well. You know Jared Kushner, who, it's been reported,
received over two billion dollars from the Saudis to run
as a fund. I mean, the guy is incapable. It
was disclosed by members of the Saudi Investment Authorities Committee
that he is incapable and not competent to do it.
He himself received over three point what they say like
three point six five million dollars three point sixty five
million in PPP money. This is the guy who, allegedly,
over the four years that he and Ivanka write Javanka together,
pulled down over four hundred million dollars while they were
working in the White House. She received over two dozen
or so Chinese patents or I shouldn't say, patents which
to her various different items she received what is it,
bagel ben, I'm referring to she received trademarks, trademarks to
over a dozen Chinese products and so on. I mean,
these are the people three point six five million dollars
to something like twenty five different companies that Kushner was
involved with. Could you yeah, there you go? Could you
imagine this shit? I mean, at some point in time,
somebody has to scratch their head and say, why are
these people not being prosecuted? Don't people understand? And when
I say people, I'm referring to the Republicans and not
too just the Magas. I'm talking about all the Republicans
that are out there. This is who Donald is. This
is who he surrounded himself in Washington with. I mean
the Steve Bannons, the Steve Millers, right, the Dan Scavenos
of the world. I mean the Jim Jordan's of the world.
Why why you know, I shouldn't say Jim Jordan. He
didn't take any PPP money. Let's be fair to Jim
on this one, all right. People are entitled to have
taken PPP money, but you're supposed to take it for
the right purpose. You know why, because it costs you
and I money. There's now a deficit in this country
that is so great. We are destroying our children and
grandchildren and great grandchildren's few because they have to pay
this back. And it's to have money stolen when you're
trying to do the right thing by America because of
this pandemic, to me, makes you the lowest form on earth,
makes you just shit upon shit that you know, you
think that Uncle Sam is here to give you money
simply because you can take advantage of it. And the
bad thing that Trump did here is the role. Look,
let's give the guy credit for what was needed. He needed,
Americans needed PPP money. It got done. Of course, let's
not forget he held it up because he wanted his
name on the checks, not Steve Minuchin, the Secretary of
the Treasury. Okay, ego, YadA, YadA. Americans needed that PPP money.
But did Kushner need it? Did Kushner Company need it?
The answer is an emphatic no. So why was it given?
Where's the oversight? How is this thing being run? Do
people know that there's like a trillion dollars missing from
the PPP allotment? Well, where is that money? Could you
imagine what's happening in this country, the theft of money
from our coffers. It's just astronomical. And I really hope
that under this administration, somebody and listen, I'd like to
stick a fire onto Merrick Garland's ask on something. There
should be a PPP fraud investigation unit immediately set up,
and if you don't qualify, return the money with payment,
with an interest in principle payment, not interest in penalty.
Speaker 1: It'd be an interesting concept to set up to maybe
you had a thirty day kind of safe heart. You
announced what you were saying, you have this PPP task force.
You announce a safe harbor provision, basically saying we're goe
you know, the same way they do that sometimes with
like return earning drugs or guns, like return the money
in thirty days and you're not going to be prosecuted
and then we're going to go after everybody, you know,
everybody else. But what doesn't really get enough attention, and
it needs to is how disorganized the PPP program itself
was necessary at the time, but how disorganized within which
it was implemented by Trump is also something that needs
to be called out, but it brings me to another point.
You know, PPP technically would be a form of socialism
if you really broke it down, or or a strand
of it, which is you know, an interesting concept. Because
in the House Rules Committee, and this is what I
want to close with this incredible moment by Maxine Waters,
where talking about all this Maga Republican performative bs in
the House Rules Committee, the Maga Republicans wanted to introduce
a nine non binding resolution that condemns socialism in all
its forms. And then the concept though of in all
of its forms is a bit of odd phrasing because
what we're going to talk about Medicare and social security,
like where do we draw the line in all of
its forms? And so Maxine Waters, unlike these Maga Republican cowards,
she has the courage or just being a leader that
she is, she goes, I'm going to testify in front
of the House Rules Committee under oath swear me in.
Ask me questions about why I think this proposal that
these House Maga Republicans are making is utterly stupid and
utterly makes no sense. And so you have this Maga
Republican who's asking these questions to Maxine Waters. You know,
basically like the UN American committee that McCarthy won started
back in you know, over eighty years ago at this point,
or seventy years ago, saying do you condemn Vladimir Putin?
He goes, what is Vladimir Putin, Trump and Kim Jong
lud have in common? Do you condemn these people? We
gotta watch this, Coen and I finally got to ask
you to react to this, and then we'll close this up.
But let's play this clip of Maxine Waters being questioned
by a MAGA Republican idiot for this performative, ridiculous, non
binding resolution that MAGA Republicans wanted everybody to condemn socialism
in all its forms. Meanwhile, they're taking PPP money they're
played the clip mention.
Speaker 7: Just says everything about my friends across the aisle that
you can't condemn socialism. I mean, in your opening remarks,
you were talking about Putin, Kim Jong un, and you
know what they all have in common? Right, Trump? Trump,
North Korea, China and Russia.
Speaker 8: He loves.
Speaker 7: That's quite the intellectual leap. I would say communism, Uh,
would you like to denounce any communist leaders.
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know what you're asking, but let me
just the leader of the Republican poet. Donald Trump has
made often glowing described other Ontarians like Kim Jong un,
who is condemned. In the resolution regarding North Korean leader
Kim John Un, Trump said, Kim wrote me beautiful letters,
and they're great letters, and we fell in love. You
sure you want to hear the rest of it?
Speaker 2: Listen, Maxine Waters is the best, I mean, you know,
good for her. First of all, it was said with
great humor, it was said with integrity, and it was
honest and truthful. And that's all that we want from
our representatives. Honesty, truthfulness, direct to the point. And that's
who Maxine Waters is. She's no bullshit. She's there, you know,
as a representative of the people, and she's one hundred
percent correct in everything that she said. Now, I know
what these Republicans, you know, like to do when they
have a camera on them and they have the microphone. Remember,
I mean, you just go back to the House Oversight Committee,
when every single Republican attacked me based upon credibility, based
upon information that they had no idea about, but simply
following the game plan and this guy was doing no different.
He was following the Trump playbook. He was protecting his
fearless leader, the Furor, and she really dished him an
s whooping made him look stupid and good for her.
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