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are you doing my friend?
Speaker 2: Hey, Peter, it's a pleasure to be on it always is.
You have a great audience. I hear from them once
in a while, and our topic today is definitely going
to interest them.
Speaker 1: All Right, let's get into it. Yeah, this is It's
not rare that somebody in the audience asks for a
subject and I do it. But it's not every day
that I do it. But this was definitely mhm. The
topic of the Cossacks and the Jewish question and Poland
was brought up and your name was mentioned as the
only person they wanted to hear from. So I will.
I will follow you along with this and you can
start wherever you want, and I'll interrupt uh whenever I
you know, whenever I have a question or need clarification
on something. Does that sound good, No problem.
Speaker 2: Let me get started here. The first thing we ought
to do is to find what the clo what a
close Uk is. It comes from the Turkic word kasakh,
which means freebooter, something like the bikers of the of
the era. Although very religious, they were a free communal
body of full time warriors. They were semi nomadic who
they had their own camps. You had to be Orthodox
to be a member. Generally speaking, it was Slavs from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.
Its formation had a lot of sources running, people running
from Serfdom, people who didn't have families, people who were
in trouble somewhere, and so long as they could maintain
the rigors of the Cossack life, they were considered a member.
Southern Russia has this very long step, this prairie very
difficult to control without, especially without airpower, and this is
where the Cossacks came into their own. They essentially were
an orthodox force against Poland or Turkey. They eventually come
under the Polish Empire and generally speaking worked for the Russians,
although certainly not all of them. After a certain time,
they were the biggest headache that the Polish Empire ever
had to deal with. The Polish Empire is interesting because
it was an oligarchy. It was an oligarchy in the
true sense. The emperor, the king had very little power,
although there were some very rare exception. The only thing
that these nobles cared about was the maintenance of their
lands and the maintenance of their power. And they'll throw
a war if they had to to keep the crown
from getting any credit for And they didn't have a
standing army, but they had something called confederations, where groups
of landowners would get together for a common purpose and
bring together a regular force. And they would do this
on a regular basis, whether it be well, especially against
the Cossat the other thing that makes Poland interesting is
the Jewish issue. It used to be that Poland, the
Polish fire, was called the paradise of the Jews. In fact,
you had some extreme quite a number of Orthodox rabbis
claiming that the Missigon is going to come because of
the privileges that the Polish elite gave them. The Polish
elite were landed. They were often deliterate, They didn't have
you know, again, they didn't want a strong monarch, so
rather than allow any centralization of finance, they imported the
thirteenth fourteenth century Jews to handle the commerce of the cities.
The situation was always tense because of them. You had
a whole army of intermediaries between the landowners and the
one hand, and their subjects on the other. The Jews
were granted rights over taverns, trade duties, mills, fishing rights,
bridge tolls, and unfortunately even Orthodox churches. And because the
Polish forces would protect them, they had no obligation, no
desire to even understand the language of their of their servants,
and they behaved as you might expect. And this by
the way. Even the mainstream academic literature is forced to
concede this, that their arrogance was so intense that it's
a miracle that the rebellions, which did explode several times,
the most famous of which is Kimomitski in sixteen forty eight,
didn't happen sooner. They were very inventive in their exportation.
One of the big areas, I said, taverns, meaning the
distilling of alcohol, which they had monopoly, and they could
call upon Polish local landlords militia to protect them if necessary,
because these people were too for lack of the better
laundering the cash of the money of the Polish nobility.
The only reason they were able to function there is
because of this very same nobility. So the anti colonialist
fight of the Cossacks, who were of course ar orthodox,
very free, anti serfdom, and Poland, who was Roman Catholic
and had the harshest kind of serfdom at the time.
So the anti colonial movement took aim at the Jews
as well, and the popular for lack of the better term, again,
the popular press, the Dome for the series of poetic
cycles about Jewish oppression was popular. This was the voice
of the of the common person, and the great Ukrainian
historian Grudoshevsky went through them in some detail which I've
I've read. There was nothing that any peasant or you know,
I mean they were the townsmen, but any peasant could
have that wasn't subject to confiscation. Even travelers were were
sometimes stripped of their of their goods, anything that you
know that they would they would use alcohol to trick
people into doing things, and this continued even after. Poland
seeks to exist even at the expense of you know,
the average man or the Cossacks wife and children. And
I think the Jews very much feared them, don't forget.
One of the original purposes of the Cossack host was
to free Christian slaves from the island of Kafa in
Black Sea, which is a Jewish island and is where
the main slave mark was. So their contempt for the
Jews at the time knew no bounds, and that that
goes back to their very they're very founded and often
you know, there were a lot of Jews there. I
think at one point eighty percent of the world's Jewish
population was living in the Polish Empire straight up until
the early twentieth century, so who could be talking about
Zionism in a place like this. But probably the most
obnoxious thing, I mean, they were the agents of monetization,
and as the explosion in Western demand for grain grew
sixteen seventeenth century, Polish landlords needed to intensify serfdom and
the only hope they had were they cross the coasts.
But probably the most obnoxious thing is their control over
physical churches. We had plenty of first hand accounts of this.
Their entire villages were as assets that the Jews can use,
including the local church. The great Ukrainian historian Custom Motov
talks about this also at some length. Now I have
a book out called Ukrainian Nationalism. My editor had that
was Russia Insider helped me put that together, and I
go into this in some detail. But it's even mainstream
writers have to admit that the rebellions against these Jews
were earned. But the rebellions that continue to occur from
the sixteenth century right up until the eighteenth you have
letters being written all over the place talking about how
important it is to realize that the Jews run things
financially speaking. There's a merchant from Moscow sixteen forty eight,
who was there at the time of the rebellion, says
the Jews robbed and abused the Ukrainians. As soon as
they distilled Vakler group beer without telling a Jew and
did not take off his hat in front of one,
the Jews assaulted him, robbed and ruined him, taking his
property forcibly and his wives and children to work for him.
Many polls, especially in the Church, were well aware of this,
this unbearable oppression, as they would say, And there was
a Catholic canon Muzuphovich from Lavov in Western Ukraine at
the time part of the Polish Empire, who says that
there were no sacraments available to these very Orthodox people
unless they paid a toll to the Jews. And in
his writings Upovid said, you have suffered your troubled as
you deserved, talking both about the polls and the Jews.
So we talked about not just a financial and political degradation,
but a moral one too, constantly having to endure injustice
twenty four hours day. And what did they expect to happen?
Did they overestimate gusion? Ultimately, by sixteen forty eight, by
the time the Kim Oniski Crossack rebellion exploded. It was
mainstream opinion that we don't have to reign. The Jews
are saying is we don't have to rein in our
arrogance because the Messiah is on its way and he's
coming to Poland. Because in no other way could we
be permitted this level of aristocracy. Jews even you know,
had had serfs in the name of the Polish landlord.
So not only was they were they paying a vig
every week, but they had to work in the in
the Jews house and in his field and which he
owned the name of Poland, and there were taxes on
whatever it was that he was being paid. So it's
clear that this was absolutely unbearable, an unbearable situation that
the Orthodox people, and the only force they had against
them was the constant.
Speaker 1: They were invited in. And that is that is the
common refrain that you get when when you're talking about
Jewish history is well, because Christians were against usury, and
Christians saw look down upon money changing things like that,
they invited the Jews in. So they basically invited this
upon themselves, and you know, they had no right to
fight back.
Speaker 2: Precisely right and it freed up the landlord to do
whatever he wanted. That's why they were always in debt.
But the Jews always had access to credit at any
given moment, they could undersell anybody. So they monopolized all
of these fields the collective term for the Polish nobilities.
And they didn't like the idea that a Catholic merchant
class would develop in the cities and give its loyalty
to the crown, as what happened in Britain. In England,
the Jews were organized into autonomous cahals, you know, fairly large,
legally defined institutions and were given totally a free hand.
So it was you know, it was diabolical. It was
brilliant because it kept the elites and noble power centers
from ever being co opted. So the anger of the peasantry.
Not to mention the Cossacks, who the Polish government was
always trying to make serfs out of them, which is
always so stupid. Cossack rebellions is one of the reasons
that Poland fell apart in the late eighteenth century. But
any indebted land, any indebt and uh merchant group, and
once they monopolized money, you know, usury, they jacked up
interest rate they clearly didn't have the same This this
is where the Talm would became so essential to all
of this. They made sure that everyone hated them. They
had no one sent him to do anything else. And
I know Heinrich Greats, who was a German Jew who
rejected the Zohar, and the Talm would talks about not
just the domination of Jews, but how dependent the Polish
elites were on them, and whatever defects they have, the
Jews were able to counterbalance it. To them, the aristocracy
was seen as did see unseerious, extravagant, reckless, and so
the Jews were the perfect group of people to profit
and keep them in power. But he was more than
a finan a tier. He was his help whenever he
got into trouble, a prudent advisor. They were the dominant cast,
and revolts were pretty continuous, and they never learned their lesson.
I mean, by sixteen forty eight, the illegitimacy of this
Polish league became so vile that there was no defending it.
And as he Michael Jones said one of my favorite
lines of his, rather than the accession of the Messiah
in Poland. Given the privileged position of Jews in a
Polish empire, the Jews got Kimilnichki instead. So and the
importation of the Jews was made possible by the statue
Statute of Calis, and that's from there it became the
paradiss udorum, the paradise of the Jews. And you know,
they never even learned the language of their people. And
they also were involved in prostitution for people, you know,
women who were impoverished. They had their own state within
a state, and even the uprising because as under Kimolninski,
which removed the Jews from public life. However temporarily they
were and who he's a key figure, Uh, it was temporarily.
In fact, they even signed treaty saying the Jews won't
be taking your debt anymore. Because for the most part,
what the Cossacks wanted, among many other things, was to
be treated as the equal to any Polish noble. So
and if you like, I could get into the rebellion
of Kimolyninski that year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that. We've talked about it before, but
definitely we needed in context for this U for this episode.
Speaker 2: Well, Bogdan Kimolninski was a suck who had so many
people appeal to him saying that, you know, he was
high ranking and we need to do something about this.
And this is where the idea of a Ukrainian or
South Russian nation came into existence. Now, depending on who
you read, what he wanted either was an independent state
or to create an autonomous unit within Poland, or possibly
the creation of an autonomous unit as part of the
Moscow State. And Kimon Nitsky really leaned towards the Russian side.
But as I wrote it in my book, the Russian
side became just as bad as the polls, just minus
the Jews. I mean, anything was better than what the
polls offered, and they kept, you know, demanding concessions, and
rather than give it to them, they had to have
huge casualty order for them to do anything. So most
people think, especially in Russia, that this uprising was a
way to extend Russia's border, and it seems to be
almost an inevitability. The Cossack host you know, having you know,
maybe ten thousand of the most and there were several
centers of it. The most famous is up Eurosian is
Russian for beyond the rapids, the rapids of the Dan,
the emperor a series of islands and some of the
most inhospitable parts of that river, which is where they
had their sick or fortress. They tended to be a
fairly radical, egalitarian nationalist movement, but within the Polish Empire itself,
or at least on its frontiers, the hetman. The hetman
was the chief executive, usually an older warrior. Everyone was
a warrior, every man, but they tended to not be
able to defend themselves. Yes, of course they were ferocious fighters,
but against a regular force and this often didn't happen.
But they needed allies. I mean, Turkey at this point
was one of the great most powerful states in Europe.
In Ukraine, you know, Kimolinski realized he had to go somewhere,
and the only place that made any sense was to
go to Moscow. This is a time of great ferment
in Western Europe, the Glorious Revolution in Britain, the Front
in France, the end of the Thirty Years War. So
Kimoninski started this war because people were absolutely exhausted, and
we hear talk about the Russian or rus nation. Within
the Polish Empire and but besides going to Russia later
he also went to the Crimean cohan because the Crimeans
were dissatisfied with the Poles, because the Poles used to
pay them off to keep them from raiding Paul's territory
and they stopped doing that. And so the khan sent
four thousand men. He you know, he needed their assistance,
but because there were Muslims and other Hetmans like Doroshenko later,
we're going to have this bite them because the Tartars
end up this plundering things. And in fact, kim Niki
sent his son timofay As to the Kanaza hostage and
vice versa, so that they could be assured of good behavior.
And that wasn't uncommon at the time, and it was
also the possibility of the Poles bribing them, which is
kim Minoski. By by sixteen forty it had ten thousand
men that includes the Tartars, and the Poles were trying
to placate him, but he said no, this time has come,
and he succeeded for a time with expelling or The
three forces are the Polish landlord class, as I mentioned,
the Jews and then the unions, the so called Greek
Catholics that the Polish government, along with the Vatican imposed
and the Orthodox would the attempt to catholicize them. Now,
what Kimleninski said is once he began his uprising, were
right at the moment it started. The Poles had promised
him all kinds of payments. But as they were promising
that negotiations took place, the Poles were gathering their their army,
and he you know, pretty much figured this out pretty soon.
Uh you know, Count Patocki was was one of the
leaders of the Polish forces who had an advanced guard
of four thousand men, usually mercenaries, and they tended to
be you know, they lost bad, but the Poles did
and you had pro Polish cross action, you had pro
Moscow cross action. You even had a handful who supported Crimea,
which was a subsidiary of Turkey, the Ottomans. And but
one of the things that happened in their defeat of
these three forces was that many Jews were killed, at
least the worst of them. So of course Jews today,
with a few exceptions, you know, act like there was
no reason to hate them. This was just jealousy or
something stupid like that. The Poles eventually you think of
Ukraine at the time, Ukraine meaning borderland rather than an
actual country. The left bank of the Niepa River the
eastern part of the country, and the right bank or
the Polish part of the country. Well, the left bank
was completely evacuated. And so the coalition that the Poles
were using is this, you know, the elites, Jewish, tenants,
Catholics and unions, and it was very hard for them
if they were ever ever captured. And you have like
Rabbi Hannover who is alive at the time, who talked
about all these atrocities that the cross Sacks allegedly did,
but you know, has is forced to recognize why and
why did this happened. They were what we might call Progroans,
but that was against that wasn't merely against the Jews
that was in the in the left bank in fact,
and they simply disappeared Poles, Jews, Catholics, whatever, and many
of them had to take refuge in dem because that's
where he's in one place where the Polish state was
able to maintain itself. And you know, we'd have so
many first hand accounts because this was I mean, Kimon
Nisky is one of the most significant figures in Eastern
European history ever. So what it comes down to is
the struggle for independent South ross Ukraine, a Ukrainian Orthodox
jerk with the Cossack host as their protectors. I mean,
this is one of the defining issues of Ukrainian history.
But of course it can't be separated from the basic
politics of the has been it. But the Cossacks all
themselves as having several functions to protect the Orthodox faith,
to rescue Orthodox slaves, especially from the Jews, and then
later on to fight for some autonomous entity where they
can be treated as Poles, their own elite. So from
the sixteenth to the eighteenth century this was a non
stop thing. Infamously Hetman and Mazeppa during the reign of
Peter Gray. Peter first went to the Swedes, and the
Hetman state as an actual government was founded after the
rebellion of Kimolninski. But the Sick was always independent and
sometimes the Poles or the Russians would try to buy
off you're better off Cosnaco officers with grants of land
and guarantees of political power. But you know, sometimes that
worked and sometimes it didn't. As I say, Poland was
a federation of small noble states east, with its own law,
courts and financial policy. It was ethnically Polish, but there
was no political center that could unify people. The elite,
the Slatsa viewed the nation as them, and certainly the peasants.
The Jews were never part of this nation, but they
could help it or hinder it. So I guess starting
in the sixteen twenties and thirties, the constant uprisings against
Polish and Jewish rule began. And what made matters worse
were the nature of the reprisals. It wasn't like they
were going to think about why these rebellions occurred and
keep them from happening again. No, they would attempt to
go in and slaughter anyone who may be sympathetic to
the revolt. And of course they had to raise mercenaries
because they would never trust an army under royal control.
You know, in sixteen fifty two there was an invasion
of the Polish nobilities hired army that would have destroyed
the host had thought the Russians stepped in. So I
will continue my book on Ukrainian nationalism. I say Kimnisky
is quite possibly the most important single person in Ukrainian
history after Saint Vladimir himself early on, he defeated the
Poles on Moss. He destroyed their parasitism, their usury, and
the independent Cossact state was able to stand at least
for a while. And you know, we can go all
the way back to the Kaisniski revolt of fifteen ninety
one fifteen ninety two. All you know, based on complex concerns,
but you know the point of bringing the Jews in
was to keep the crown or to have any countervailing
power in the cities that could be a money class.
And the fact that they were successful there, I don't
know how many other places tried that, and essentially was
allowing the the elite to have a passive income generated
and maintained by there by these Jews who became some
of the most privileged people on the planet of the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the it's a common story. Sombart's book on the
Jews in Modern Capitalism, he goes through a lot of
it where he talks about how, you know, in places
like in Austria, they would a leader of a city
would bring would invite a couple of Jews in to
help him with his finances to help him make money.
Also because of the underground network, being able to talk
to other leaders around around Europe, and inevitably other Jews
would follow follow in, and they would start doing business
with the common folk, and they would immediately put them
into debt. And you know, after a decade or two,
the common folk are like, we don't care about about
the uh, you know, the leader of the city, the
mayor of the city, whatever they would be called at
that time, making all of this money. Now we're enslaved
to these people, and we want them gone or we're
going to kill them. And then obviously that would is
what would lead to one of them. You know famous
expulsions that we read about over the last you know,
a thousand and fifteen hundred years.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's certainly an expulsion. But you had a
number of power centers. The Roman Catholic Church in Poland,
the units, even the Vaticans to some extent, the costs acts,
at least while they were while they were unified. And
this Orthodox Church of Ukraine which did exist, which came
from the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and maybe the patriarch of Constantinople,
maybe another one by Constantinople at the time was under
the Turks and couldn't be of much assistance. There was
there were a handful of loyal bishops at the time,
but as far as the Cossacks were concerned, by say
sixteen fifty, the confederations of these elite Catholics were the
military problem, not Poland, and certainly not the Polish monarchy,
who tended to be very sympathetic to the Cossacks without
supporting them directly. And what eventually came out of his
uprising was the Treaty of pedislv And it was a
treaty binding the Cossacks, binding themselves to to Moscow, but
in exchange for a tremendous amount of autonomy. And that
state that signed this treaty didn't have Catholics or Jews
within it. Today in Ukraine the units are at the
forefront of the national movement, despite it being a foreign
creation of Polish creation. And there you know, it's to
some extent of the of the Vatican. But the only
thing that could make a cl sect and what he
is and Ukraine or his state independent, is to be Orthodox.
So by the the second half of the seventeenth century,
very few people, unless I had an agenda, believe that
the CM could be trusted with anything. Again, remember what
Poland actually actually was now the Communitsky Uprising in sixteen
forty eight. There's been thousands of books and articles in
Russia and Ukrainian and Polish written about him, and the
only thing the Cossacks didn't have prior to him was
a talented leader. And the kind of the ideology of
that uprising which I wrote of in my book is
an ethno national ideal informed by the Orthodox faith their own.
I don't think that because acts were not religious. They
very much were, and in fact, once the Old Believers
had to escape Moscow two decades later, they became Crossens
today even became in today or an Old Believer movement,
but not solely. Cossacks were never unified under one person,
Kimanninskey being an exception. So what that had been created
was a centralized and authoritarian system because everyone knew that
the Polls or someone else liked the Turks was going
to try to take a piece of them, And the
same thing goes for the Church. The Church had to
have the resources to find the Roman Catholics. In the
one hand, the Jews on the other But the alliance
between the Polish elite and Jewish merchants were so close
that it's to separate them. But the Polish elite needed
Jewish networks, they needed their capital, and they needed to
develop or in trade. They didn't have to do anything,
but they still got to cut I guess the only
thing they had to do was keep anyone from hurting
of the Jews. But as far as Jews are concerned,
the Polish nobility was just convenient. But their insolence, their
their general parasitism made them what I called them my book,
an unstable golm for the network's profits. The last thing
in the world that any cost act could do is
engaged any kind of served them. But they still needed
an alliance, and that that caused them a lot of trouble. Initially,
the the you know, the the early rebellions had maybe
one thousands of three thousand, but as the seventeenth century began,
that number started to grow and grow and grow and grow.
And that's the important thing to remember. So and I
can now I can continue after that if you would
like me to or or do you want me to stop, Well.
Speaker 1: No, it definitely wants you to to continue with that,
with their history. But I did have one question. You know,
if you if you look, if you say, you go
to Wikipedia on the Cossack page, they differentiate between Russian
and Ukrainian Cossacks. So can you just talk about the
difference historically what they're talking about there.
Speaker 2: They're not talking about ethnic groups. They're talking about loyalties
left Bank Ukraine, the eastern part of the country. I mean,
they're all Orthodox, of course, tended to be pro Russian,
although even the most fanatical pro pro Russian hadn't been
had to turn on them, because they especially repeated the
Great was extracting so much out of out of Ukra
on the western side, the right bank of the new
Yeppa is where the headman it was the strongest. But
you even had some some cossackts to Taria and a
few others who thought that if the treaty is right,
working with Poland as a way to protect themselves from
the Turks maybe workable. They ever became a part of Poland,
of course, but and if someone was more if a
leader was more leaned too far to one side or another,
that would be rebellion against him. So everybody. Uh, this
was a huge balancing act for them. So but after
the Kimolinsky uprising eventually fizzled down, Kimolinsky is lieutenants and
this is all in my book. By the way, the
two big ones were Ivan Villehowski and Paul uh Tataria,
and I'm fortunately that's where the class conflict in the
Cornstack Coast began. Ivan Vlotsky leaned towards Poland as a
reaction to the Russian presence in part of Ukraine after Parislav.
But when he died in sixteen sixty four, the Russians
actually created their own Cossack noble class, complete with their
own serfs. You had a Russianized noble class at that point.
But Cossacks who leaned more towards Moscow filment the rebellions
against the Hosky I know the historic great historian Doroshenko
that he claims that Moscow was deliberately spreading myths to
the effect that the heapman is going to hand Ukraine
over to the Poles. That probably was at least in
part true. So loyalties split the Cossacks so called Russian
and Polish, as well as class because the classic way
of buying the Cossacks off was to go to the
elite and said, listen, you stay loyal to us. You
could keep your way of life, and we will guarantee
your lands and even even get some surf of your own.
Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. So that's the difference there.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, So yeah, you were talking about moving forward and
moving forward in their history, so go anywhere you'd like
to go.
Speaker 2: Well, after the revolt sixteen forty eight, there was something
called the Board of Agreement of sixteen forty nine sixteen
fifty and this this was this essentially was their demands
that had Polish signatures but no intent of making it real.
So of course, like Ukraine, of one was to include
the areas of Kiev, trinegov and Broslav areas under because
that control on the Orthodox people could hold office. The
units were dissolved and its property granted to the Orthodox Church.
Of the Metropolitan of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine had
a guaranteed seat in the Polish Senate. Anybody involved in
that rebellion had to be amnesty, which is not the
Polish way of doing things, and that both Jews and
Polish landlords will be prevented from ever returning. So that's
what immediately came after the Kimolninsky rebellion. What came after
that is what we talk about as as the ruin. Now,
the thing that made Hetmann by Hosky interesting was the
proposal called the Highdatch Treaty, which set up a lot
of the same things that I just listed. So much
of the Union Church was already destroyed. Many of them
became Orthodox themselves, and that would be a continuous matter
all the way right up into the twentieth century. But
because the argument was even if Poland couldn't be trusted,
the Treaty of Parislav was very strict on Cossak autonomy,
which the Russians had completely violated one hundred times over,
there was something called the trilateralists. Trilateralist solution to Ukrainian independence.
The Polish Empire was formerly called the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. Well,
what people like the Husky wanted was Polish Lithuanian Russian
union with a great degree of independence on religious freedom
as far as the Russian side was concerned, and this
eventually became the Treaty of Parislav, or you know, the
Paraslav was the negation of the High Tree. Even even
Kiminiski's son Yuri, who was pretty halpless but well meaning,
thought that the polls would be better now that they've
been defeated, better than that the Russians would be, and
he eventually became a puppet heapman of the Turks. So
and again amnesty was always a part of it, because
Polish reprisals were absolutely disastrous. The Hetman at this point,
I don't know, sixteen sixty five something like that was Doroshchenko.
The Zerdevsky articles were with another treaty with the Russians,
promising local autonomy. If there were Russian troops and cross areas,
they had to be under the command of the Hetman,
and that Ukraine had to be totally unified, and just
as in Portland, that the Orthodox Church would have to
come under Constantinople or at least Jerusalem. And much of
that was ultimately rejected. But by sixteen sixty five or so,
the position of the Cossack host was very poor and
one of the reasons and the corruption had come in,
especially under Moscow, and they would place very high taxes
on them, and this is why some people ended up
going to going to Poland. But even even very pro
Russian Hetmans in the east like Brugwitski, who personally came
under the monarch, the Russian monarch's protection and he had
one demand. He had one single demand, and that was
that Ukrainian common law, other words, the traditional law the
Cossack hosts would be respected and because of that, loyalty
was promised to the Czar and his interest. So what
it comes down to is the retention of the Cossack
tradition and in urban areas that they had the Magdeburg
law from Germany. The city were essentially independent and elections
to urban offices, of course, had to be orthodox, and
any election for any of these offices had to be
free and done according to local tradition. Yes, Russia promised
it and then violated any time they got the chance.
So if one side of this got too strong, if
the turch became too strong, if the polls became too strong,
if the Russians became too strong, there was always a
reaction to go elsewhere. One of the things that made
had been in Mazeppa unique is that he went to
the Swedes. Given the nature of the war that was
already already going on. And the great thing about that
was Sweden was too far away to really administer the
Cossack host well, I mean, anyone wanted to get away
from Peter the Great. He reduced the Costack host absolutely
nothing to ultimately no one trusted anybody, not even internally.
And the only well stable point was the Deporosian Sick,
always the most radical of the of the of the
Cossack groups, and that wasn't shut down until until Catherine
the Great, So you know, you had uprisings all over
the place, and the worst thing that happened, we'll talk
about this here in a minute, something called the Treaty
of Andrew Suvan in sixteen sixty seven, which will negate
the Cossacks state entirely and divide Ukraine between Poland and Russia,
which was a tremendous betrayal since that's the one time
where the Poles returned to that part that was promised
to them, and the Jewish users returned. So Poland and
Russia were now bound by treaty is equels at the
expense of Ukraine, and the Cossacks and those who felt
within the Polish sector were right back to where they
were before. So pauland sciently took the right bank, Russia
took the left bank, and that condemned those in the
right bank, was an insult, and condemned thousands of Orthodox
Russians to expropriation and exploitation. And I guess part of
the point of Andrewshovo was to combine Polish and Russian
forces against against Turkey.
Speaker 1: Why don't you keep going, I don't really have a
I don't really have a question on anything there.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I want to pull us from time to
time just in case you do.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you.
Speaker 2: But that, yeah, that treaty was an absolute disaster, and
it created another I would talk about here in a
little bit, created another massive rebellion, probably the last one,
the Heidemart rebellion. We'll get to that here in a second.
Because of Andrewsovo and the subsequent treaties, pull in Russia
divided the area of the host. Free trade was proclaimed,
but that was his code for Polish colonization and dispossession.
It meant massive interest rates and Jewish rule without any
countervailing power. Now, Russia had a tough time dealing with
that because Jewish capital structure in Poland was far more
experienced and far wealthier than the relatively small merchant class
in Russia, so any kind of cost Tec independence was nullified,
and sixteen seventy two something called the cometap Articles imposed
a heatman on Ukraine that had absolutely no independence whatsoever.
And this is why Russia is unpopular in certain certain
Ukrainian circles historically speaking. But I want to talk about
someone else, one of my favorite people at the time,
and that is the military leader of the Cossack Ivan Circle.
He is the unsung hero of this era we're talking
about sixteen seventy something like that. He was from the sick,
the Porosian. He backed rebellions against Moscow. I'm thinking of
Razine in particular. He unified Ukraine to the defeat of
both Polish and Turkish forces. He was eventually arrested and
sent to Siberia, but once the Turks began to advance,
they had to call him back. In sixteen seventy four
there was a massive Turkish invasion. That circle had defeated.
The Russian had been on their side, Temlovitch didn't do
a thing. A year later, fifteen thousand elite janissaries not
to mention regular forces invaded Ukraine. Circo again defeated Ukraine
the cream of the Ottoman army. Sixteen seventy eight, another
huge Turkish invasion. Russia didn't do anything, Lovich wouldn't do anything,
but Circo repelled them. A third time the coalition force
under Circo grew to very large numbers, and a fourth
time a Turkish invading force was defeated. Ivan Circo was
watching the Turkish Empire at this point. Its best fighting
men were destroyed, and the road seemed open for the
Cossnacks to take this Turkish capital of this dambul. Rather
than the Russians and some alov It's taking this as
a serious way to completely take Constantinople, they ended up
destroying the Cossack sick for a time. Circo, who saw
the possibility of destroying Turkey forever, was forced to retreat
and he died a broken man. What ended up happening
is that the hetmun Dorshenko and the Russians negated everything
that he did. The bizarre thing it's that right after
Circle's death, Russia then went on to the Holy League
as a military force against Turkey. Circle could have easily
destroyed Turkey and maybe even Poland to Russian. Ukraine was
an oligraphy with both Cossack and Russian nobles that owned
about half the land. It wasn't the Jews, but the
Cossack elites who controlled the cities and that part of Ukraine.
And the claim is that that the Russians, their colonial governors,
corrupted the Cossack elite. They went out of their way
to save Turkey by sending Circle away. Uh So that's
and and throughout all of this Circle tried to enlist
the assistance of Semlovitch on the on the left bank.
After a while, Circle did endorse the pro Moscow but
even said in a letter of sixteen seventy seven that
we aren't going to separate from you. They do talk
about Ukrainian fatherland, but it's hard to tell whether they're
talking about a nation or just the fact that this
is the Russian borderlands or the Polish borderlands for that matter.
So Circle was was just was the absolute perfection of
the Cossack history, and he was destroyed by his own allies.
So this was an absolute, absolute disaster. And many of
the offers by the Cossack host to Poland were completely defeated.
And had this occurred, had this treaty been accepted, there
would have been a Ukrainian Orthodox identity outside of the
Russian fold side of anything Polish, and possibly could have
brought Old Believers into the Ukrainian Communion as a way
to control the Russian incursion. The Austrians would do the
same thing a little bit later. So, but that's not
just a left bank and the right bank too. The
Vaihousky alienated poor Cossacks because he was constantly negotiating with
the Poles, and the terrible fear was that the Jews
We're going to come back, And so Vakhoski was seen
as pro Polish, others were seen as pro Russia and
had Mazeppa seen as pro pro Turkish. But once Russia
had corrupted the left bank Ukraine, Poland was viewed by
a lot of his allies as a lesser evil relative
to Russia. Vakhoski was a lawyer ultimately, I mean he
created a balanced budget, laid the groundwork for institutions, created
financial reserves without Jewish assistance. And we're getting into an
era that's called the Ruin where the gains and victories
of both Circle and kim Oninsky were completely negated. All
previous treaties were null and void, and the one thing
that dominated everything was class rule and the rank and
file revolted on both banks of Ukraine. And these men
to Taria of Hofsky, these were all lieutenants of kim
Onitsky's and part of his campaigns against Poland that the
ruin it negated everything, it didn't destroy the ideas. And
then you have the interesting case of Peter Dorshenko. I
mentioned a ready. He blamed the upper classes becausecohost on
both banks, especially the Left Bank, for this ruin, this
period of utter powerlessness, but thought that there were resources
to continue the state building as Doctioning had done. And
Dorshenko is one of the few who was able to
centralize the country to himself both banks. Unfortunately he had
to go to the Turks to do that. Doroshenko was
as anti Polish as it was anti anti Russian. The
Russian state is the one who elected Somemolovich to the
to the Left Bank, and this was seen not just
as an ethnic distinction, but also as a class distinction.
You know, if the Jews were going to be out.
Monetization had to come from somewhere, and it's very easy
to buy some of these people off. I mean, the
Kossak ideal is a little nomadic. The sick didn't known
anything but the landed Cossacks in Ukraine proper, not on
the island. Dorshenko had no choice but to go to Turkey,
and just like in Kimooninsky's case, he did go to
the Crimeans the Turks, despite signing treaty saying we're not
going to under anything. That's all they did, and Circle
predicted this. Dodoshenko became very unpopular because now we have
Islamic plundering and the Jews right behind them. Of course,
and using the Turks was his undoing. One thing other
than that that he was known for is that he
created a personal guard, praetorian guard, completely loyal to him
and appointed by him alone. This was a way that
he thought he could break the class status on both
sides of both banks. So he ruled from sixteen sixty five,
I want to say sixteen seventy six. He did briefly
unite both banks, and he was typical. Hepman in all
other respects, but because Kimolninski had initially asked for the
assistants of Crimea going to the Muslims now was okay,
or at least that's what he thought. And then this
unified Ukraine would play Poland and Russia off against each
other and to a lesser extent, the Turks. So Russia
then started to rule Ukrainian lands directly in sixteen sixty six,
sixteen sixty seven, in sixteen sixty five they were the
so called Moscow Articles, which was a complete domination of
Russia over over Ukraine. But there was a cost sect
that's had nothing to do with Ukraine and the ethnicity,
although they probably recognized it, they're all Orthodox Slavs. Turkey
was seen as the the main enemy at this point,
and that justified them going to the Turkey. But Kimoninsky
considered it as well as a way to balance Poland.
So even the most pro Moscow, the Cossseck rulers would
eventually turn on Russia's heavy handed You know, Brukovetski was
as pro Russian as you can get. But every promise
that they made they broke. And of course no one
was worse than Peter. I remember Saint Petersburg was built
on the bones of Cossacks who, because of the rebellion
of Mazeppa were worked, were worked to death. The city
is literally I mean, it's a gnostic. The city is
literally built on the bones of old Russia, that is
to say, the remnants of the of the Cossack hosts.
So so even even pro Russian. Uh. Now, the only
reason that the polls were slightly more reasonable is because
they were much weaker. They even promised an independent church,
but that was constantly being violated. That's why Ivan Mazeppa
was going to defect and went to the went went
to the Swedes because the Russo Swedish War was going on.
Mazeppa brought the Baroque from Poland, and he stressed the
ethnic connection of all of those within the head minute
he needed to create his own ruling class. And he
fully admits that the Treaty of Androsova was the worst
thing that could have happened to Ukraine. A lot of
excellent writers had said the same thing. So in Mazeppa's time,
the last hope was Sweden. Everyone else had been tried.
And not to mention the fact that the Russians at
the time were under Peter the Great Peter the Great
was a freemason. He was an occultist. I have an
article about his drunken synod where he was a Satanist.
He created his own make believe church centered around alcohol,
and given the Orthodox point of view, he had no
political legitimacy. Not to mention, he moved to Capital at
some point and the fact that so many Cossacks perished
in the it was a white sea building project, the
foundation of Saint Petersburg. But of course we all know
what happened. Mazeppa went to Charles the twelfth and they
were both destroyed. So beginning of the eighteenth century, Ukraine
had become part of the Russian Empire after the feet
of Edmond Mazeppa and he fled to Turkey along with
the Swedish king. So you know, but that's the basic
structure of the Cossack And I'm saving to the end
the last rebellion, the Khalivashina, or they had a mac
rebellion in seventeen sixty eight. But I want to pause
right here and see if you have anything to say.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was going to say, if you're going
to finish up with that, that would be great, And
then you know, maybe we can go a follow up
on a follow up one day and get in some
more modern times to talk about palest settlement and up
through the revolution, because there were still Cossacks. Cossacks still
existed in nineteen seventeen, So let's finish up this period
and then we'll work on another period another time.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, remember the Cossacks still exists today, usually
pro Russian. And the War Ukraine of course destroyed anything
any concern with Ukraine. But the last true rebellion was
in seventeen sixty eight and Captain of the Second was
in Petersburg. And just like before, Poland was divided between
I'm sorry that the Ukraine was divided between Poland and Moscow,
and those under Poland we're yet again under the Jews.
And now those in Poland had the even even worse
treatment than they had in the past. And the uprising,
the Khulivashina uprising, was one of the reasons the Polish
Empire collapsed. The arrogance of the Jews never went anywhere.
They behaved the exact same way, including after the Polish
Empire fell apart. They created something called the Bar Confederation,
as was the Polish a military alliance of a few
landlords against the Polish King Stanislaus Augustus, also against Russian
troops in parts of Poland and yes, Russian fland. The
weakened the Polish Empire, but not necessarily in power, a
sort of a Cossack force because they were a shadow
of their former self by seventeen sixty eight. In seventeen
sixty eight there was specifically an incident based on the
oppression of Polish lords and Jews against and forcing them
to join the Catholic Church to join the Union, and
as time went on the rights of the Orthodox were
whittled away to absolutely nothing and making matters worse, that
very same year, Prince Nikolai Ripinion had to proclaim the
equality of Orthodox and Protestants with Catholics, including the right
to hold government positions being on top, and that caused
indignation not just amongst the Ukrainians, but the Polish elites too,
and the result of all that was the Bar Confederation
and the Bar Confederation. This was the only unified institutions
Poland had, and they did engage in programs against the Orthodox,
and that was a reprisal for this rebellion started in
May of seventeen sixty eight Abbot the Milkisedic of the
Motronitsky Monastery in the southern part of Kiev. The Zaporosian
had at the time with Maxim Zelizniak, who initially only
had eighteen people, but given the arrogance of the Jews,
it grew tremendously and it engulfed almost the entire southeastern
part of Kiev and the even expanded west. Now it
wasn't all Cossacks in this case, but you did have
the core of it was Zaparosian. Once you still had
plenty of runaway peasants and everything else, soldiers from Russia
who participated in all of this. The assumption was that
once the Russians realized that we're we can do it,
they will go to Saint Petersburg for assistance because they figured, well,
they want to they want to weaken Poland. And yet
it didn't happen. It was a systematic rebellion. The Lisniak
sent attachments all over the place, and there was something
is a fictitious document called the Golden Charter of Catherine
the Second, which allegedly permitted the extermination of Jews and
polls and independence for the for the Cossacks, this was
not a real document, but many of the rebels thought
it was real, so they they engaged in an uprising
based on this alleged golden Charter of Catherine the Second.
But this uprising led to mass exodus of both Polish
elites and Jews, and it ended up being Zilisniaks. Movement
was was very large and he restored independence. He really
in this case you had peasant costs act attachments. Heidemach
was a peasant rebel. It engulfed most of Kiev Galicia,
and no one was spared. Detachments destroyed everybody their traditional enemies,
because the confederation ultimately left the civilian population unprotected. Once
they were had to go and retreat. The Heida Mox
actually hanged a Polish nobleman, a unit priest, and a
Jew on the same tree and had the inscription a pole,
a Jew and a dog the same faith. I don't
know if they killed a dog for that or not,
but it happened all the time. And but by this
point the anger had reached tremendous levels. Yes, some of
these rebels didn't think every Jew needed to be eliminated,
but many of them were. They learned nothing from Kimio Nitsky,
and this was the last real uprising of the Costsacks
really until the Russian Civil War. Most of the Catherine
the Second had as well as the Poles, had tries
to Lisniak and others. There is a book, the kodinskaye Niga,
the protocols of some of the court hearings. There most
of these guys were tortured to death. Between seventeen sixty
nine seventeen seventy three hundred people were executed, and this
is what finally allowed Catherine the Second to destroy his
up Eurosium costs, that host which never really returned. They
weren't military rebels, they were simply criminals. In other words,
the Russians, even though Catherine the Great was not Russian,
and the eighteenth century in Russia itself was an absolute disaster. Politically,
they fought for Poland, which was a huge shock to
everyone involved. Not only that, but rounded the rebels up
for not just their own but for Polish interests. How
Russia can be served by supporting Polish interests is a mystery,
very much like Dordosenko with the with the Turks, but
she actually wrote these men be punished with the most
severe execution, used only with the greatest of criminals, and
he included the entire population of the Separosian seat at
the same time. So, you know, we've covered a lot
of ground here. But the Jews were in that top
three enemies of the Cossacks, Polish landlords, Jews, and the
Greek Catholics so called, and I guess Catholics in general,
because they looked to Poland rather than anyone else. Catherine
then purged the church yet again. Abbit Makisedek was transferred,
and the Greek Catholic depolopan Kiev at the time, Philip Volakovich,
instigated even worse persecutions of the Orthodox and in the
in the new Polish confederations that were being being formed.
So uh, that's that was the last major uprising and
the destruction of anything approaching Cossack independence. And it wasn't
until the Russian Revolution so called the Russian Civil War
that the Cossacks again showed themselves in spaces like you know,
Todak on the dawn, even on the Volga rose up
against the communists. Uh, and consistently did so. Right up
until the German invasion.
Speaker 1: Well that's fantastic. Yeah, I want to follow this up
with another episode where we can pick up there and
go forward and come into the modern day. That would
be great.
Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Johnson. I appreciate it always.
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