Speaker 1: Simple questions for one hundred people. Welcome to the experiment.
Speaker 1: I'm Bill Correll, and this is my investigation. I'm researching
Speaker 1: to gather data from one hundred beautiful human beings for
Speaker 1: the sole purpose to see what actually happens across the interviews.
Speaker 1: The questions are fixed and all the interviews will remain
Speaker 1: consistent with the variable being the actual participants themselves and
Speaker 1: their answers. So it's as if I'm having you or
Speaker 1: come sit on my porch to share your thoughts so
Speaker 1: that I can learn about people. We're looking forward to
Speaker 1: what we will learn when we're done, but in the means,
Speaker 1: were really interested in your story and this process. And uh,
Speaker 1: it's my distinct pleasure to introduce my guests. Well, how
Speaker 1: about I let you do it for me. What is
Speaker 1: your full name?
Speaker 2: Laura Claire Brown.
Speaker 1: Claire, Yes with an E.
Speaker 2: No without And it was one that I actually gave
Speaker 2: myself because we were not given middle names as children.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting and some would say not very usual.
Speaker 1: So talk to me about the process of not having
Speaker 1: a middle name, and then when did you decide that
Speaker 1: you really deserved a middle name and gave yourself Claire?
Speaker 2: So when I got married is when I brought that in.
Speaker 2: But none of our family was given middle names. Not
Speaker 2: quite sure why the reasoning behind that. But my original
Speaker 2: name was Laura Brats and so I changed my name
Speaker 2: to Brown when I got married. Claire was my mother's
Speaker 2: maiden name, so that's what I went to as my
Speaker 2: middle name for kind of honoring her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, that's very traditional and men a lot of
Speaker 1: times back in the day, especially the turn of the
Speaker 1: last century, what would be given their their mother's maiden
Speaker 1: name is a middle name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, it was kind of a
Speaker 1: nice way to co join the names of the people
Speaker 1: that are getting married, you know, instead of having a
Speaker 1: hyphenated name like got started and rejuvenated in the sixties
Speaker 1: and seventies. My wife's father's middle name was absolutely his
Speaker 1: mother's surname.
Speaker 2: So love that's interesting, Yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, exciting. What's your favorite nickname that most people don't.
Speaker 2: No, So I don't really have a nickname. I my
Speaker 2: husband every so often calls me Pete and a few friends,
Speaker 2: so I can be a Peter, but I never really
Speaker 2: had a nickname. It's very interesting. I don't know why
Speaker 2: about that either.
Speaker 1: So all right, so I'm going on a limb here.
Speaker 1: I think that letter is I not E correct, not
Speaker 1: to be confused with the organization Peter P E t A.
Speaker 2: Exactly though that could match because of my love for animals.
Speaker 2: But yeah, p I T A is.
Speaker 1: It's all in the interpretation right, exactly excellent. So no
Speaker 1: pet names, the mom and dad, brothers, sisters, nothing, No,
Speaker 1: my name.
Speaker 2: Is spelled differently, so I think because my mom spelled
Speaker 2: my name differently and I always had to spell my
Speaker 2: name now to everyone that that probably just is where
Speaker 2: it's sad because that was already complicated.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had a sister whose name was Laura l
Speaker 1: a U r A, and I appreciate the uniqueness but
Speaker 1: also the beauty of the l O r A. It's
Speaker 1: it's quite nice.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I like it. I do the uniqueness for years
Speaker 2: where people said Laurie because they all thought I spelled
Speaker 2: it wrong, and I'm like, not, really is Laura. And
Speaker 2: even in the hospital when I was born, they kept
Speaker 2: bringing my birth certificate back like you spelled it wrong,
Speaker 2: and my mom kept saying no, I didn't, So it
Speaker 2: was it was an interesting thing. So I love the
Speaker 2: uniqueness of it. I always always can't have so.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. So on to question number three, when did you
Speaker 1: first notice what color hair you had?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't have any hairtut I was three, so
Speaker 2: probably around three, and was disturbed that I wasn't a
Speaker 2: bright red head because our whole family was redheads and
Speaker 2: I had dark hair. So but yeah, probably about three
Speaker 2: when I finally got here.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, can you actually remember a specific time.
Speaker 2: It was? It was a question when I asked my mom, like,
Speaker 2: how come all the women in our family have red
Speaker 2: hair and I'm the one that does not, and how
Speaker 2: did that happen? So it was just kind of clear
Speaker 2: right before I was or right after I was starting school,
Speaker 2: and kids were like, your hair looks different from your family,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah it does. Why am
Speaker 2: I not a red head?
Speaker 1: Did that start the background conversation of am I adopted?
Speaker 1: Or was it the cable guy or me?
Speaker 2: And my sister always suspected maybe the milkman or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's amazing. So red hair, that's interesting. We're
Speaker 1: both your parents Jewish.
Speaker 2: No, my father was not. As far as we know,
Speaker 2: he was adopted, so we were quite sure. But no,
Speaker 2: our Jewish side of our family, all the women have
Speaker 2: red hair, all the men have dark hair.
Speaker 1: So I love it. Yeah, that's very Scandinavian slash Irish,
Speaker 1: you know, or maybe Scottish. M there's some Viking blood
Speaker 1: in there somewhere, I think probably. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's also a suspect on my dad's side for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting. We had a couple of folks in
Speaker 1: our family who've had red hair when they were really
Speaker 1: really young, and then it turned. But everybody else's hair
Speaker 1: was either blonder or brunette. But I had five brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters, and then my mom and dad, but they
Speaker 1: were both brunettes. Just for your information, that's wonderful, Laura.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing to do to intentionally waste time.
Speaker 2: I love to spend time with animals. We tend to
Speaker 2: have a lot of animals, so if I'm wasting time,
Speaker 2: I'm usually cuddling with animals, playing, talking, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: And then I also like to just be outside, So
Speaker 2: I'll go outside and stare at the stars or stare
Speaker 2: at the clouds and just be in that moment. That's
Speaker 2: my time waste.
Speaker 1: Excellent. What kind of animals do you have.
Speaker 2: Right now? We don't have any, which is the first
Speaker 2: time in fifty years. But I primarily we've always had dogs,
Speaker 2: and the big dogs, not little ones, always the big
Speaker 2: scary ones, pit bulls and Whittwiler's German Shepherd things like that.
Speaker 1: So the sneaky part of that is you and I
Speaker 1: both know they are very docile breeds. Naturally we need
Speaker 1: to be hooked up with a really bad human being
Speaker 1: to get bad bits, in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. I was in Colorado when they did the
Speaker 2: pit Bull Band, which was very devastating because I'm used
Speaker 2: to them being gentle creatures and that's what I knew,
Speaker 2: and so it was just one of those what happened?
Speaker 2: How did this even come about? So I wasn't. I
Speaker 2: was still young and unclear. I'm now very well aware,
Speaker 2: so I'm always have been a big advocate for all
Speaker 2: the big dogs in general. But yeah, pipples hold a
Speaker 2: very special place in my heart.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and how many pit bulls do you think
Speaker 1: you've had.
Speaker 2: Come through my door? Probably thirty forty, maybe fifty.
Speaker 1: All right, so now we've read we've hit an interesting topic.
Speaker 1: The others weren't, but this is very interesting. Are you
Speaker 1: what were you doing a shelter or like, you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of a foster program for for an almost
Speaker 1: what was that all about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have done fostering. We work with animal rescues.
Speaker 2: I go in and help in the rescues with rehab
Speaker 2: and things like that as well as my mom was
Speaker 2: a bus driver in Colorado for our TV and she
Speaker 2: used to bring strays on the bus all the time
Speaker 2: and bring them home. So it was just and with
Speaker 2: her that was a wide variety of dogs. So we've had,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of I think we've had every breed
Speaker 2: of the medium to large sized dog at some point across.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're in Colorado, were you.
Speaker 2: I grew up in Denver on the east side of
Speaker 2: Denver and people five Points area. Went to Manual High School.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you think of Denver, I was born there.
Speaker 1: I went to the University of Colorado. I have lot
Speaker 1: of family in Denver, and so the names of communities
Speaker 1: that are so called Denver, like Arvada and Westminster and
Speaker 1: Thornton and North Glenn, you know all of those. Aurora.
Speaker 1: I was born in Aurora. Yeah. My dad was in
Speaker 1: the service fitz Simmons Army Hospital, So that's kind of
Speaker 1: neat And how long ago did you leave Denver.
Speaker 2: Well, we were in Aurora before we left, and we
Speaker 2: moved to Oklahoma a little over.
Speaker 1: Six years ago, so it's been recent. Yeah, how about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're finding things quite different in Oklahoma from from Denver,
Speaker 1: Colorado very much.
Speaker 2: So it was a big good jests. I will say
Speaker 2: that we love it here. It's a different pace of
Speaker 2: life than what Colorado has kind of become. And I
Speaker 2: do love that I'm getting all or I like that quieter,
Speaker 2: more country living life. But yeah, it was a huge
Speaker 2: adjustment for us and our family because all of us
Speaker 2: kind of came from a city living kind of atmosphere.
Speaker 1: So are you more rural and in the country at
Speaker 1: this point or just a different kind of neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are country. We're in a neighborhood. But all
Speaker 2: the other corners around us are all farms, so cattle, horses,
Speaker 2: that's of little mini manches everywhere.
Speaker 1: You can go out and get your mammal fixed anytime
Speaker 1: you want to. Huh. Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: And you didn't give anything up. With regard to the sky,
Speaker 1: they're both big sky, big beautiful, starry. Yeah. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it's easier to see the stars now than it was
Speaker 1: in Denver because the ambient light from the city sometimes
Speaker 1: makes that a little bit more obscure, especially you know,
Speaker 1: pollution and what have you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely much clearer. And it was part of
Speaker 2: my requirements when we moved here was I want to
Speaker 2: be somewhere where there's no city lights so I can
Speaker 2: see two stars instead of city stars.
Speaker 1: Exactly. I mean it's almost like cleaning your windshield on
Speaker 1: your car, you know, after driving it through a summer
Speaker 1: worth of dust storms and all that sort of thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love that analogy because that's perfect. It is
Speaker 2: exactly what it is. It was so clear now like wow.
Speaker 1: Before you might see a few hundred stars. Now you
Speaker 1: see a few hundred thousand. They're just wow. Is that
Speaker 1: what that looks like?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: So good for you. And we got there by asking
Speaker 1: what you do to waste time? Isn't that lovely?
Speaker 2: I love conversations just flow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Laura, what's your favorite movie to watch alone?
Speaker 2: I am a rom com person alone. I don't have
Speaker 2: a very rom com husband, so I and my one
Speaker 2: of my favorites is Fifty First Dates because it is
Speaker 2: the one probably that my husband will watch with me
Speaker 2: the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you like about it?
Speaker 2: Well, I like the pretense of it. I like the
Speaker 2: idea of, you know, kind of growing through that. But
Speaker 2: if a lot of it comes from my husband feels
Speaker 2: that same way about me. So I have ADHD and
Speaker 2: I tend to forget things, and after sixteen years of marriage,
Speaker 2: there's times where I'm like, we did that. He's like
Speaker 2: a few times, oh, okay. So I think he kind
Speaker 2: of feels like he's living in that world a little bit,
Speaker 2: and me too.
Speaker 1: At times, you've got a living historian that can actually
Speaker 1: explain to you what you did before that you don't
Speaker 1: have any recollection at all exactly. That can be a
Speaker 1: good thing, but it sounds like it could also be
Speaker 1: a little annoying every once in a while. Sounds to
Speaker 1: me like he does it with love.
Speaker 2: Absolutely he does it with love, but I'm sure it's
Speaker 2: very annoying at times when he's like, you don't remember,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm at the point right now where I'm trying to
Speaker 1: I think, is Julia Robertson that.
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore, Oh, yes, okay, I'm starting to get into
Speaker 1: the right church. Now I will have to watch that
Speaker 1: again because I like Drew especially like her movies absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you just awakened that in me again, So thank you. Goodness.
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a great movie to watch alone
Speaker 1: and with somebody, especially especially with your husband. But here's
Speaker 1: the one I'm looking forward to asking you if you
Speaker 1: were to have an action figure made of you, what
Speaker 1: superpowers would it have and what colors would its uniform be?
Speaker 2: Hmm, well, my favorite color colors are blue, green, and purple,
Speaker 2: so it will probably be that nice and probably Super
Speaker 2: Animal Lover. I'm not quite sure exactly what the name
Speaker 2: would be, but it would have.
Speaker 1: To do with it. It's super Animal Lover. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like it, I really do. Thank you. Let's talk some
Speaker 1: more about that. What would you actually do with your superpower? You,
Speaker 1: super Animal Lover you.
Speaker 2: It's always been a dream of mine to open a rescue,
Speaker 2: to have a real facility where lots of different things
Speaker 2: can happen, and support in the community. I think that
Speaker 2: how we treat animals is a direct correlation of how
Speaker 2: we treat people, and working with teenagers for so many
Speaker 2: years in my first career, I have learned that there
Speaker 2: is a direct correlation with some of the behavioral stuff
Speaker 2: usually starts with animals. So people all kind of have
Speaker 2: their little thing that they love, where you can love
Speaker 2: the world, but they have their one specific thing they
Speaker 2: really truly hone in on, and for me that was animals.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge advocate for you know, animal rights and
Speaker 2: how we treat them and why it needs to be
Speaker 2: different and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate and I love you know that you've
Speaker 1: got kind of like two groups there. They're both groups
Speaker 1: that I love as well. Not that that matters to you,
Speaker 1: but it matters to me that that's where you operate
Speaker 1: in the world. Can you tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about what you did with teenagers.
Speaker 2: I worked with behavioral I guess in quotes behavioral teenagers
Speaker 2: in residential facilities and in juvenile courts, so they were
Speaker 2: having problems and needed to be put in the facilities.
Speaker 2: We didn't always want jail for them, so they would
Speaker 2: come into the residential facilities for programs. And then I
Speaker 2: also was a case manager with Denver Juvenile Court, working
Speaker 2: with kids who were on pre trial, so they were
Speaker 2: arrested for something they were going through the trial process,
Speaker 2: but again we didn't want to leave them in jail
Speaker 2: for that whole period, so we would monitor them in
Speaker 2: the in public, at home and at school and stuff
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: So did you have a set of criteria or some
Speaker 1: kind of a judgment that they would have to do
Speaker 1: in order to be set free at some point in
Speaker 1: the future or was it all just a matter of
Speaker 1: just discussing the cases as they went along and then
Speaker 1: more or less deciding which ones were appropriate for this
Speaker 1: environment and which ones probably needed to do something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a as a case manager. We had
Speaker 2: a lot of say of programs available. When I was
Speaker 2: in the residential facilities, they were already sentenced to those
Speaker 2: facilities that we were working in, so then it was
Speaker 2: just more working through programs about I did. Part of
Speaker 2: mine was teaching life skills, accountability, just looking at the
Speaker 2: world a different way, and then the other programs were
Speaker 2: more working on their behavior and how they approached things
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. We usually did in groups, so
Speaker 2: there was a lot of accountability factors among the group
Speaker 2: going through the program. They had to kind of learn
Speaker 2: how to be in society in a way that was
Speaker 2: more civil. I guess for lack of a better word, but.
Speaker 1: It's always behavior based, and you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: a heartbreak to me to see the number of kids
Speaker 1: even today, probably worse than when you were doing it
Speaker 1: in terms of gross numbers and everything. But they're just
Speaker 1: messing with the chemistry, you know, to a far greater
Speaker 1: degree than when I was that age, you know. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, everybody deserves a chance to get
Speaker 1: back on the straight and narrow. And when we're talking
Speaker 1: about behaviors, I mean, you can't legislate behaviors. All you
Speaker 1: can do is try to recondition, retrain and give them
Speaker 1: a reason in their own mind, you know, to be
Speaker 1: here and make a difference for their own behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, society has I think so it has what
Speaker 2: society seems to have a standard that they think is proper,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't always work across the board for everybody.
Speaker 2: So it's more finding not trying to fix them, but
Speaker 2: just trying to get an understanding of taking accountability for
Speaker 2: the actions that you've done and those life skills of
Speaker 2: caring for others in a way where you don't want
Speaker 2: to harm other people, you don't want to maybe say
Speaker 2: the things that you say that create then chaos moment
Speaker 2: or you know, a fight or whatever else. So it
Speaker 2: was more teaching that of sometimes it's okay to hold
Speaker 2: your tongue or other times it is truly necessary for
Speaker 2: you to speak up and speak your truth and knowing
Speaker 2: when those times.
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, and giving them different words to say,
Speaker 1: you know, they are more powerful than just acting out
Speaker 1: and not being understood. You know, I appreciate that you
Speaker 1: did that, and I thank you for that, and I
Speaker 1: really understand better, you know, your affinity for dogs at
Speaker 1: this point, because in many ways we're talking about the
Speaker 1: exact same sort of you know, we've got this is acceptable,
Speaker 1: but they behave like this and this stuff over here
Speaker 1: and this stuff over here. We'll keep this stuff because
Speaker 1: it's great, but this stuff on this side we got
Speaker 1: to do a little, uh, well, let's see if we
Speaker 1: can generate some interest on their part to behave differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little fine tuning.
Speaker 1: So that's a great superpower. And thank you for really
Speaker 1: kind of you know, distinguishing it for me. So what
Speaker 1: did you want to grow up to be when you
Speaker 1: were five years old?
Speaker 2: I absolutely wanted to be a veterinarian. I knew it
Speaker 2: from jump yeah, Yeah, that didn't happen back.
Speaker 1: And is that because you were around divers animals from
Speaker 1: an early age, because your mom kept bringing strays home
Speaker 1: or else.
Speaker 2: I probably that had a lot to do with it,
Speaker 2: but I I really was just on that path. I
Speaker 2: was really in that world and learning so much, and
Speaker 2: then created an allergy to animals, and so we had
Speaker 2: some We didn't stop bringing animals in, but there were
Speaker 2: rules in the house about they couldn't be in my
Speaker 2: room anymore and I couldn't be all in my face
Speaker 2: loving on them. So it hindered my ability to be
Speaker 2: able to go into that field. I've now since overcome
Speaker 2: the allergies, so I kind of wish maybe I'd kept
Speaker 2: on that path, but it definitely sent me in a
Speaker 2: different path, and I did remain in rescue, but the
Speaker 2: veterinarian inside of it kind of came out of the
Speaker 2: pictures so nice.
Speaker 1: So your reaction to the allergy, what were the symptoms?
Speaker 2: I broke out in hives. I couldn't breathe. It was
Speaker 2: like a full anaphylactic shock kind of thing that happened.
Speaker 2: It still happens from time to time, especially if I
Speaker 2: pet an animal and rub my eyes or something and
Speaker 2: forget and then immediately sorry, everything starts to close up.
Speaker 2: My eyes get ready, and I'm like, oh great, let
Speaker 2: me go wash my hands real fast and wash my
Speaker 2: face before this becomes a problem.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, now you know what to do and how
Speaker 1: to deal with it. That's that's pretty awesome. And so
Speaker 1: how did you How did you beat the allergy to
Speaker 1: where you could actually be around them, but just not,
Speaker 1: like you said, rub them all over your face and
Speaker 1: body right exactly?
Speaker 2: I really don't know. It just through time. I think
Speaker 2: I finally just built that immunity up. I think if
Speaker 2: you're unwilling to give something up, then your body will
Speaker 2: eventually go, okay, we're just gonna go ahead and and
Speaker 2: then let you have this. Maybe I don't know, but
Speaker 2: it just I never stopped.
Speaker 1: So there's an awful lot too, you know, people putting
Speaker 1: their mind to something and actually correcting it, you know,
Speaker 1: at that level, I think that's pretty cool too. But
Speaker 1: you know, you, of all people, should not have something
Speaker 1: that terrible happens to you just because you're loving on animals.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, i'd agree, But.
Speaker 1: You didn't have that reaction with teenagers, did you.
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I absolutely learned to hate them.
Speaker 1: A different kind of allergy exactly, and.
Speaker 2: I knew I was gonna have mine one day, So
Speaker 2: I had to get to a certain point where I
Speaker 2: no longer hated them. Part of why I've let I
Speaker 2: stopped working with them was the idea that I couldn't
Speaker 2: be effective if I had become so burned out by
Speaker 2: what happened so and things that were going on and stuff.
Speaker 2: So in that world, you're not only fighting the kids
Speaker 2: and all the stuff in the programs that you don't
Speaker 2: always necessarily agree with, but you're fighting all of the
Speaker 2: judicial side of everything as well. So it can it
Speaker 2: can be very tiresome to the those in that field
Speaker 2: for long periods of time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So did you have to accompany your your
Speaker 1: your kids into juvenile court and when they were being
Speaker 1: uh interviewed either by a prosecutor or the judge, and
Speaker 1: when they were deciding what kind of a sentence they
Speaker 1: were going to be given and what their story was
Speaker 1: and what their most recent transgressions were and all that
Speaker 1: sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a case manager in juvenile court, that's that's
Speaker 2: what we had to do. And it was it was fun,
Speaker 2: you know, and judges are if you don't have your
Speaker 2: ducks in a row and you're in front of a judge,
Speaker 2: they let you know they're not not so nice. So
Speaker 2: again it was kind of those parts of things, and
Speaker 2: but our opinions mattered. We did get to say, you know,
Speaker 2: we're working with them now when this is what we see.
Speaker 2: So we were part of the overall factor into what
Speaker 2: their sentences would be and you know, guilty not guilty,
Speaker 2: all the other things. So there were several reports, several
Speaker 2: meetings and being in front of the courts and stuff.
Speaker 1: So did the judges tend to ask you what your
Speaker 1: opinion was about the right course of treatment for the
Speaker 1: person you were with and actually listen to you or
Speaker 1: was it more less personal than that.
Speaker 2: No, they actually got personal with us. It did matter,
Speaker 2: especially if the social worker and the lawyers and if
Speaker 2: there was just no cohesiveness among them, then they would
Speaker 2: really turn to us and be like, look, you spend
Speaker 2: this time with them, you know them, you meet them
Speaker 2: every week, you're in their home. Give us a reality
Speaker 2: check of what's happening, and so yeah, then we would
Speaker 2: definitely speak up and say these are the things we see,
Speaker 2: these are red flags, These were not red flags and
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So well, that's an extraordinary level of commitment and also
Speaker 1: probably energy drain. I can imagine there were times that
Speaker 1: you were in in a juvenile court, going I should
Speaker 1: not be the one here doing this right now, it
Speaker 1: should be anyone but me, or and then other times
Speaker 1: you probably were saying, I am so glad I'm here.
Speaker 1: You know, this might have gone badly if I hadn't
Speaker 1: been here.
Speaker 2: So I had a unique perspective because I grew up
Speaker 2: where I grew up and how I grew up. I
Speaker 2: was involved in gangs, I was involved in, I guess
Speaker 2: with people, risky behavior of my own. I was not
Speaker 2: the easiest child in the world from my mother as
Speaker 2: a single parent, for sure. So I had a different
Speaker 2: perspective a lot of times on where behaviors may have
Speaker 2: come from instead of, you know, just they're just bad kids,
Speaker 2: you know. So that's kind of where my fireback always
Speaker 2: came into, was I grew up like these kids, I
Speaker 2: lived like these kids, and I wasn't that far removed
Speaker 2: from them when I started working with them. I was nineteen,
Speaker 2: so I was just coming out of that world myself,
Speaker 2: and I did that by moving to Oakland for two
Speaker 2: years and then coming and working there with their teenagers,
Speaker 2: and then coming back to Colorado to kind of separate
Speaker 2: myself from the community parts aspects, Like I loved our community,
Speaker 2: but there are aspects of it that were very influential
Speaker 2: so during that time frame, So I wasn't that far
Speaker 2: from removed from their age group either already, So I
Speaker 2: had a different perspective, and we grew up very non judgmental.
Speaker 2: So I think I was more People would say I
Speaker 2: was more on the side of the kids, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I'm more on the side of not having
Speaker 2: that judgment and let's figure out what the deeper core
Speaker 2: problems are.
Speaker 1: So yeah, good for you, because if there's ever a
Speaker 1: way to get a kid back on the straight and marrow,
Speaker 1: it's the way to go. Putting them, you know, incarcerating
Speaker 1: them and just giving them a time out for years
Speaker 1: at a time. It produces no good result, ever, and
Speaker 1: they usually end up coming out worse than they went in,
Speaker 1: you know, so in my experience and good So so
Speaker 1: this is interesting. We got there from your desire to
Speaker 1: be a veterinarian when you were five. What would you
Speaker 1: say your greatest accomplishment is.
Speaker 2: I have raised an amazing Then I love being a wife.
Speaker 2: I am people oriented and being with the animals. So
Speaker 2: I think for me, it's the ability to just not be,
Speaker 2: not be non judged, to be non judgmental, and live
Speaker 2: in this world in a way that's just very accepting
Speaker 2: of who everybody is and allowing them to be. So
Speaker 2: I think for me, it's more my mindset is the accomplishment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering you You mentioned that you had experience
Speaker 1: in Denver, and this is a lot of kids go
Speaker 1: through this where their neighborhood has gangs, they're members of gangs.
Speaker 1: They're doing that more than because to not be a
Speaker 1: member of a gang is dangerous. You know, my dad
Speaker 1: grew up in Detroit where they were they were lower
Speaker 1: middle middle class. My grandfather, you know, worked you know,
Speaker 1: for for Chrysler Corporation. But my dad managed to never
Speaker 1: be a member of a gang. Uh. And then he
Speaker 1: got out of out of Detroit. And I'm just wondering
Speaker 1: what your story, because what you just talked about is
Speaker 1: is that you are describing yourself as kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, Oklahoma American Gothic. Now you know that family
Speaker 1: and husband and children. That wasn't necessarily an aspiration of
Speaker 1: a twelve year old or a fourteen year old that
Speaker 1: was running with the wrong people. You know, now, did
Speaker 1: you were you involved in it particular yourself or did
Speaker 1: you just watch people around you kind of doing weird things.
Speaker 2: I was involved myself and around so in our community.
Speaker 2: The it wasn't just that we were like, we're going
Speaker 2: to join a gang. It was we were living in
Speaker 2: our community as friends. You know, we're hanging out, we
Speaker 2: know each other, and LA did this terrible thing. Were
Speaker 2: instead of dealing with their own game problems, they banned
Speaker 2: all of them and they.
Speaker 1: All came ready work right, right.
Speaker 2: So you take a community of people that you know,
Speaker 2: get along, that are family, that enjoy each other, and
Speaker 2: you then add in that aspect of well, I can
Speaker 2: make you money, I can have this going on. So
Speaker 2: then things start to you know, I money and drugs
Speaker 2: come into it, and lines start to get drawn, and
Speaker 2: people start to lean a certain way, and it became
Speaker 2: glorified in a way that was not our experience. You know,
Speaker 2: every little neighborhood has their people like this little group
Speaker 2: or quick of kids and this quick of kids, and
Speaker 2: we were our people's right. So that's really what we were.
Speaker 2: I was, so I was on the east side and
Speaker 2: I was I was with the cribs on the east side.
Speaker 2: I went to a school. I went to George, Washington
Speaker 2: for two years, and that was considered an all Blood
Speaker 2: area school. So I was definitely crossing lines. But I
Speaker 2: knew these kids like we were all friends, and it
Speaker 2: made zero difference about those lines drawn. But for protection
Speaker 2: and for our ideas of protection, you kind of pick
Speaker 2: where you are. And you know, I still always cross lines.
Speaker 2: I tend to be a lot safer than other people felt.
Speaker 2: But we lost. We lost so many people, and we
Speaker 2: lost hundreds within my high school years. And the idea well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was in high school with eighty seven to or
Speaker 2: eighty eight to ninety three, so yeah, but it definitely
Speaker 2: the height of it started in around eighty seven when
Speaker 2: I was in junior high for US, and that was
Speaker 2: just it just happened, like there was no plan, and
Speaker 2: it just kind of everybody started feeling that push from
Speaker 2: the ones coming in and getting in our ears and
Speaker 2: saying we can do this, and we can do this.
Speaker 2: And Colorado was fresh fresh meat, I guess for lack
Speaker 2: of a better word. Again, but we were a fresh canvas
Speaker 2: from what LA was and that definitely made it difficult.
Speaker 1: So well, I'll tell you what I again, I had
Speaker 1: some experience in the middle of the nineteen nineties trying
Speaker 1: to mitigate all of that in communities around us. But
Speaker 1: there was a period of time where the Crips and
Speaker 1: the Bloods were actively recruiting in every single community in
Speaker 1: the United States and Canada, and their goal was to syndicate,
Speaker 1: and you know, to be able to I had some
Speaker 1: smart people that were involved with it and said, hey, look,
Speaker 1: they can't get all of us, and how do we
Speaker 1: raise the most money that we're going to need if
Speaker 1: somebody has a big court case or something of that nature.
Speaker 1: You know, we can't do that as a clique here
Speaker 1: in watts or you know, here in Aurora, you know,
Speaker 1: or like that. So that when you start becoming some
Speaker 1: part of something that's bigger than you, especially like that
Speaker 1: and those two gangs from the outside, they were portrayed
Speaker 1: as evil. Nobody ever took the time to figure out
Speaker 1: why are they doing this? For the most part, in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, they didn't have a home life.
Speaker 1: You know, their friends became their family, and what their
Speaker 1: family did became the tie, and they shared blood with
Speaker 1: each other, and before you know it, they would do
Speaker 1: anything that somebody needed them to do just because we're friends. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all perfectly natural human reactions for things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well in the sty behind the cryps and bloods,
Speaker 2: even in LA doesn't come to light. So again, when
Speaker 2: you say they're portrayed as evil, it did not start
Speaker 2: off that way. I happened to. I'm highly involved in
Speaker 2: you know, Denver at that time, the Five Points in
Speaker 2: East Side area was a very dominant Black neighborhood and
Speaker 2: I grew up that way. So my mother had us
Speaker 2: very culturally ingrained with lots of different cultures. We were
Speaker 2: living in the community. We were also part of the
Speaker 2: l g TBq community because that's where it was then,
Speaker 2: and so there was a lot of different cultures and
Speaker 2: a lot of different beliefs that were all kind of
Speaker 2: being intermixed for us as a family. And I started
Speaker 2: seeing things that I didn't appreciate that wasn't It was
Speaker 2: a protection necessity that kind of came in from those
Speaker 2: that you know, I don't want to be too political,
Speaker 2: but there was a fear that came into the community
Speaker 2: when outsiders were coming in and trying to control and
Speaker 2: things were happening. So there's a lot of racial then tension,
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of you know, gender tensions
Speaker 2: between those communities and different things started happening. So I
Speaker 2: think left to their own and the way that it started,
Speaker 2: the idea of what it was and why it was necessary.
Speaker 2: Even in California, the way it started became politicized into
Speaker 2: that negative, ugly feeling, and then it became glorified into
Speaker 2: that violence and that drug world and this way of
Speaker 2: being and stuff. And it didn't need to be that way.
Speaker 2: But there were so many factors and I definitely have
Speaker 2: my opinions on those things. But I am a avid
Speaker 2: supporter still of the black community, of the l g T,
Speaker 2: BQ I as plus now there's.
Speaker 1: A few added Q up to Q.
Speaker 2: When I was young, so and I have you know,
Speaker 2: my mother and my sister are about lesbians, and so
Speaker 2: I definitely grew up with all women and all lesbians
Speaker 2: primarily and primarily all Black women. So me being in
Speaker 2: that community and being an advocate in those ways in
Speaker 2: those areas was just it was it was huge for me.
Speaker 2: Those were the things that mattered, so and what how
Speaker 2: I thought we were not violent people. I'm not inherently
Speaker 2: a violent person, but I had a violent upbringing because
Speaker 2: we were protecting ourselves in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 2: I was a Jew. When people found that out, you know,
Speaker 2: that was a whole other set offences and things like that.
Speaker 2: So it was just a lot of different things. But inherently,
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody just starts off like I just
Speaker 2: am going to be a violent person and terrorize and
Speaker 2: kill and you know, force dregs and this other stuff.
Speaker 2: I think it just morphs into that when stories are
Speaker 2: portrayed in a certain ways.
Speaker 1: So understand, and you know what, a lot of times
Speaker 1: a very small thing gets blown out of proportion, it
Speaker 1: gets generalized to a whole population. And now instead of
Speaker 1: talking about two or three hundred people and on the
Speaker 1: east side of Denver, you're now talking about two or
Speaker 1: three million all over the you know, the continental US,
Speaker 1: and paint with a brad brush and like they're all
Speaker 1: the same and they're just not. You're a really great
Speaker 1: example of that, And I mean, hats off to you.
Speaker 1: I want to say, I now understand your greatest accomplishment,
Speaker 1: you know, with with with with a deeper, deeper understanding
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, and congratulations on that, you know, And
Speaker 1: I know it's a work in progress for you, that
Speaker 1: this is something that you know, your family and your
Speaker 1: commitment to all the people around you, all the folks
Speaker 1: that you just described. It's a big commitment and you
Speaker 1: don't know all those people, but you're always going to
Speaker 1: have a light on for them, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think that's wonderful. So this is really cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're getting into an area here offline. There's more for
Speaker 1: us to talk about. But who's your favorite person to
Speaker 1: listen to? Well?
Speaker 2: Music wise, I'm a big music baby and I love music,
Speaker 2: and my favorite is Alicia Keys. I just I'm a
Speaker 2: fan girl. I'm not a normal fan girl, but I
Speaker 2: am a fan girl of Alicia Keys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There are there any speakers or you know, what
Speaker 1: you would consider, you know, thought leaders or something of
Speaker 1: that nature that you like to listen to as well,
Speaker 1: or are you more or less at a different kind
Speaker 1: of a place in your life where what other people
Speaker 1: are having to say is maybe a little bit less
Speaker 1: important to you.
Speaker 2: Yes, and no, I am a fan of Brenne Brown
Speaker 2: and a few of the other spiritual leaders. I am
Speaker 2: more and I watched and study a lot of the channelers,
Speaker 2: Bashar and things like that so on that spiritual world.
Speaker 2: So I do a lot more of that the spiritual
Speaker 2: being within the spiritual world, and there's just a lot
Speaker 2: of them that we actually listen to, so but probably
Speaker 2: the typical ones that most people listen to within the
Speaker 2: spiritual world. But yeah, I am I am a huge
Speaker 2: fan of Ashar who's a channeler. And then I like
Speaker 2: the mindset of women. So I don't have a favorite,
Speaker 2: but I love the women that are bringing the empowerment
Speaker 2: and the women to the forefront that are, you know,
Speaker 2: really in that movement of you know, equality and our
Speaker 2: rights not being taken away and you know, just really
Speaker 2: giving that those platforms and that that true fighting spirit
Speaker 2: maybe for women that are really bringing that out. And
Speaker 2: that's again how I was raised with the women. It
Speaker 2: was women are empowered, stand in your place, do not
Speaker 2: bend you are you know, you have all the rights,
Speaker 2: you have everything. And I was just coming into a
Speaker 2: world when rights were just barely being given with a
Speaker 2: single mother, you know, so it was you know that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So I'm really just more in that
Speaker 2: world when it comes to women empowerment and in that
Speaker 2: spiritual journey and growth. So I don't truly have a favorite.
Speaker 2: It's more the movement I think.
Speaker 1: For me, very clear and quite frankly, it's something you
Speaker 1: live and not something you say. Uh. From my experience
Speaker 1: with you just in a couple of having to chat
Speaker 1: with you a little bit the other day. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: now we'll come to the present. Please complete this sentence
Speaker 1: if you will. When I grow up, i'd like to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to grow up. I'd like to remain
Speaker 2: a child. So when I grow up, I want to
Speaker 2: go back to childhood. Maybe I should.
Speaker 1: Say that or recommit for another ten years. Yeah, Rea,
Speaker 1: up for another ten years. I like that.
Speaker 2: I'd like to be a childlife spirit. But when I
Speaker 2: truly when I grow up, I want to just continue
Speaker 2: on that path of the movement of what I feel
Speaker 2: and and just loving on people, being able to give
Speaker 2: back to the community and do all of the things
Speaker 2: that make community an amazing place to be.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So your what's your definition of being childlike? What?
Speaker 1: What kind of thoughts do you have? What's the characteristic
Speaker 1: of children that you think is so worth preserving in
Speaker 1: your own life, and how would you say that you
Speaker 1: are childlike in your thoughts and behavior.
Speaker 2: I think with children with their lack of censor, I
Speaker 2: absolutely adore it. As we get older, we're told how
Speaker 2: to behave and how to act, and as an ADHD person,
Speaker 2: I tend to mimic people around me. You know, I
Speaker 2: heard people all my life like, oh my god, your
Speaker 2: mother would be so ashamed, and I'd go, oh, I
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't do that then, and I'd fix that, right.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of though I was a difficult child,
Speaker 2: I was very honest, I was very upfront. Nobody questioned
Speaker 2: anything about how I felt or you know, what I thought.
Speaker 2: And I love that. I love the idea that children
Speaker 2: are just free to feel, to think, to do, to
Speaker 2: be who they are and to not lose that. And
Speaker 2: I would That's what I would love to go back to.
Speaker 2: Is that authentic. This is who I am. Love me
Speaker 2: or hate me, enjoy you know. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be worried about what I say or what I do
Speaker 2: or who I offend. If I offend you, you're not
Speaker 2: for me. We can part and be loving. I offend lovingly.
Speaker 2: But it's those things where if we don't see eye
Speaker 2: to eye and we can't have a conversation that doesn't
Speaker 2: include a battle of some kind. And I don't want
Speaker 2: to engage. I just want to you know, this is
Speaker 2: how I feel, that's how you feel. Yay, let's move forward,
Speaker 2: you know, and kind of get past all of that.
Speaker 2: So that's how I see kids. I see kids with
Speaker 2: that just genuine honesty and ability to say what's on
Speaker 2: their mind, what they think without all of the censors
Speaker 2: that happen as we get older.
Speaker 1: Excellent. I appreciate your being a child and I support it,
Speaker 1: and I invite you to continue doing that for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life.
Speaker 2: No, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth. So what's the most important thing
Speaker 1: in life to you right now?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm working through this business because I have goals,
Speaker 2: and also really supporting my set in trying to figure
Speaker 2: out where he's going with his life, though he doesn't
Speaker 2: have to know that at twenty. But I think really
Speaker 2: just leaning in more to all the things that I
Speaker 2: have supported through my life, to really lean into that more,
Speaker 2: use my voice and use my presence more in all
Speaker 2: of the things that really are truly dear to me
Speaker 2: and dear to my heart.
Speaker 1: So yeah, good stuff. And so later, what would you
Speaker 1: like to live in the world after your life is
Speaker 1: done long time from now.
Speaker 2: The idea that you have permission to be who you
Speaker 2: are just I would love to leave that legacy of
Speaker 2: there is no need to change, there is no need
Speaker 2: for you to be inauthentic, that your life can be
Speaker 2: what it is. You're not here to be suitable for
Speaker 2: everybody in the world, So be suitable for those that
Speaker 2: love you and that you love. And you know where
Speaker 2: your tribe is, where your people are, and don't worry
Speaker 2: about the missed.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty great legacy. You know, the skin you're
Speaker 1: in love it, m yeah, beautiful. So I have a
Speaker 1: baker and she's this beautiful Italian woman and every time
Speaker 1: I go in, and I don't do it as much
Speaker 1: as I used to before COVID, but if I go
Speaker 1: in and get a dozen donuts or a dozen cupcakes,
Speaker 1: or you know, a dozen cookies or anything, always get
Speaker 1: a thirteenth one. And so we've had twelve questions and
Speaker 1: you get a free thirteenth question. Are you ready for it?
Speaker 2: I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1: The baker's question is what's the thing that most people
Speaker 1: misunderstand about you, Laura.
Speaker 2: I think people feel that I am always I'm always
Speaker 2: in debate, or that I'm always enjoying conflict or I'm
Speaker 2: stirring things up, and I'm not. But I think that's
Speaker 2: the big thing is that even in I do human design,
Speaker 2: So for those that understand it or have heard about
Speaker 2: human design, it literally I am a catalyst in my
Speaker 2: human design, and so I embrace that I am not
Speaker 2: purposely ever trying to start conflict or disruption or anything else,
Speaker 2: but in some ways I am. I think we grew
Speaker 2: up so open and our mom allowed us to be
Speaker 2: who we were no matter what, with no judgment, no
Speaker 2: care about what would happen, because she knew we would
Speaker 2: be in our eyes good people or in her eyes,
Speaker 2: like I think she always knew we had a heart
Speaker 2: for people and things are animals and things. So I
Speaker 2: think that's really what it is. It's just that I'm
Speaker 2: not I am a catalyst. I am here for change.
Speaker 2: I want change, I absolutely do. So if that does
Speaker 2: mean I come across as a bit combative or confrontational,
Speaker 2: then so be it. But I truly am not. I
Speaker 2: just really I do. I have a passion that is
Speaker 2: it's been to me since I was little. I've just
Speaker 2: kind of always known I was pushed towards that, and
Speaker 2: those passions will come out how they're supposed to, and
Speaker 2: that I unapologetically they will. I will be who I
Speaker 2: am unapologetically.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of get that you would be
Speaker 1: how unapologetically. However, you also strike me as the kind
Speaker 1: of person that doesn't intentionally leave messes around. If there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity to clean it up and move on, you'll
Speaker 1: do that. However, if you put your effort in and
Speaker 1: it's still not cleaned up and people have maintained an
Speaker 1: attitude about what you said or what you did, then
Speaker 1: you're perfectly satisfied with them to stay with that, having
Speaker 1: given it your best shot. Yeah, absolutely, we.
Speaker 2: Did all the time that I'm the rip the band
Speaker 2: aid off or face the mirror and then I'll hold
Speaker 2: your hand through it. But I am that one that
Speaker 2: rips the band aid off. I just say it, no
Speaker 2: matter how harsh it feels, and then or do it
Speaker 2: and then yeah, and then but I'm there. I don't
Speaker 2: just do that and run away for everything to explode.
Speaker 2: I stand in it with you and deal through the
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I love it, and I've kind of learned
Speaker 1: and then forgotten that I knew this. Sometimes it's good
Speaker 1: to say I'm not sure how this is going to
Speaker 1: come out, but this is the words I've got available
Speaker 1: to me right now. You know, don't take it personally,
Speaker 1: because this is my reflection that I'm seeing back to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to give it to you that way,
Speaker 1: and then you let me know what you got, you know,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, because I don't think you're in
Speaker 1: the business of killing relationships. I see you as having
Speaker 1: had some friends that they've hung out with you through
Speaker 1: thick and thin a very long time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. It takes a lot from my friends because they
Speaker 2: get it too, probably more than anything my poor husband,
Speaker 2: you know. But it's you know, and I sense that
Speaker 2: you get used to that. You understand. It comes from love.
Speaker 2: It's never come from anything but light and love and
Speaker 2: just a really good place in my heart.
Speaker 1: So, boy, wouldn't it be great if we could give
Speaker 1: everybody access to that where they could be able to,
Speaker 1: like the training for the kids, not have the appropriate words,
Speaker 1: but take a moment or two and figure out what
Speaker 1: they're going to do, if anything before having a reactive scenario.
Speaker 2: Right and then accepting if they don't. Sometimes the process
Speaker 2: is longer, so you can you can do that rip
Speaker 2: off the band aid, and then they've got a process
Speaker 2: to kind of deal with. And I have been the
Speaker 2: villain in many stories, and I'm okay with that. I
Speaker 2: do not mind being the villain a story as long
Speaker 2: as you use it for good. You understand that I
Speaker 2: won't remain the villain like. You've got to figure out
Speaker 2: how to get past that.
Speaker 1: You know, the savior often looks like the villain at
Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, so do you have any questions of me?
Speaker 2: I just really love what you're doing. And I wanted
Speaker 2: to say that the ability to come in and ask
Speaker 2: those questions and bring out conversations that most people wouldn't
Speaker 2: hear or know. I just truly find that remarkable because
Speaker 2: it does take a big heart and a person with
Speaker 2: dedication to truly do something like that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I will take that acknowledgment. I'm getting so
Speaker 1: much out of it too. I mean, it's a labor
Speaker 1: of love. I've always loved people because like yourself, my
Speaker 1: friends and my family and my community. It changed a
Speaker 1: lot while I was growing up we were nomads across
Speaker 1: the country. But at the same time, I've always been
Speaker 1: interested in people. I've got better questions now than I
Speaker 1: used to.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, since you grew up more of a nomad, have
Speaker 2: you ever done the no mad life I owed, the
Speaker 2: traveling across the US and just outside of from your childhood.
Speaker 2: Have you continued to do that in any way?
Speaker 1: I really haven't, other than to go on vacations or
Speaker 1: to find you know, if I'm twenty years ago. Actually,
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen nineties, I spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time traveling all over the place to get different types
Speaker 1: of education. But it's something I can see myself doing.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what in that vein what I
Speaker 1: do do. Because my wife works diligently as a rural
Speaker 1: postal carrier, and she every once in a while is
Speaker 1: working six or seven days a week. I'll just you know.
Speaker 1: Two months ago, I hopped in my car, my new
Speaker 1: convertible that I bought new to me, not new at all,
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I just drove and contacted
Speaker 1: people up and down the East Coast and went spent
Speaker 1: a day or two with them, or maybe out to dinner,
Speaker 1: or maybe were three days, you know. But I got
Speaker 1: in contact with probably thirteen or fourteen people, many of
Speaker 1: whom I'd never met before but have been Facebook friends
Speaker 1: for fifteen or twenty years. Old friends that I've had
Speaker 1: for a very long time, a couple of which are
Speaker 1: are are struggling, you know, with different forms of cancer,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sure if I'd ever see them again,
Speaker 1: and they were wonderful times with them. So that nomad thing.
Speaker 1: I put thirty five hundred miles on my car in
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 2: Oh loves.
Speaker 1: Although that's not an extended nomad, I'd say it was
Speaker 1: probably the way I do things. It was probably you know,
Speaker 1: hyperspace nomad quickly.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm loving the new digital nomad center world. I
Speaker 2: even have clients but that they're traveling. They have these
Speaker 2: amazing rbs and they're going on these chips and I'm
Speaker 2: so jealous that they tell me their stories and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wish I was there, But I love it. I'm
Speaker 2: not a big traveler. I love being home, but we've
Speaker 2: traveled a lot. I just have a real big security
Speaker 2: about being home. But I love the fact that they
Speaker 2: can do that, they can get out there and just
Speaker 2: travel and be a part of it, and I think
Speaker 2: that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we are going to do it again for
Speaker 1: two weeks, the first two weeks of November. My lovely
Speaker 1: wife and I are going to hop in the car
Speaker 1: and pretty much do the same thing and go see
Speaker 1: some of our common friends that we haven't seen in
Speaker 1: Florida for a few years. But beautiful, So, any other
Speaker 1: thoughts that you want to share in terms of all
Speaker 1: of the You've been so generous and so open about
Speaker 1: pretty much everything I've asked you, and I really appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That's It's great.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the conversation I was. I'm interested because I
Speaker 2: didn't realize that you were from Colorado. Did you stay
Speaker 2: there long for? What high school did you go to?
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. You've got questions, I've got answers.
Speaker 1: But I think what we're going to do is we're
Speaker 1: going to wrap up here and we're holding our listeners.
Speaker 1: Some of you guys are interested in this, I know
Speaker 1: you are. But maybe you and I can do another
Speaker 1: just the two of us talking about our shared experiences
Speaker 1: and family stuff that happened in Denver and some of
Speaker 1: the things that we're not maybe so proud of and
Speaker 1: other things that man, they made us who we are
Speaker 1: and we're so glad that happened. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: the human being side of things, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate that, and I think from my perspective,
Speaker 1: this is one of the I can say is everybody's great,
Speaker 1: you know in these interviews, which are basically just conversations
Speaker 1: with Bill. You know. So thanks for coming and hanging
Speaker 1: out on my porch for a little while, Laura.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You're very welcoming you folks at home. Thanks for once
Speaker 1: again listening to us have this totally spontaneous exchange of
Speaker 1: ideas and thoughts, all based around some pretty standard questions.
Speaker 1: And would you do me a favor while I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of it, I would like for you to accept a
Speaker 1: little chore that I've got for you. Will you reach
Speaker 1: out to someone that you know, like and trust and
Speaker 1: maybe even love and let them know that they matter
Speaker 1: to you, that your world is better because you know
Speaker 1: they're here, and if they ever need you, no matter
Speaker 1: what it is, you know, twenty four to seven, they
Speaker 1: can call you and you will help them with whatever
Speaker 1: whatever terrors they're going through at the moment, and get
Speaker 1: them through at least to the other side. They've got
Speaker 1: to know that they've always got a phone, a friend,
Speaker 1: in a safety line. So with that said, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: once again, this is Simple Questions for one hundred People.
Speaker 1: And I'm Bill Correll and I have absolutely loved my
Speaker 1: time with you today. My dear guest Laura Brown.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I've enjoyed it too.
Speaker 1: All right bye. For now you've been listening to Simple
Speaker 1: Questions for one hundred People, part of the x Video
Speaker 1: podcast Network. You can find every episode at xvadio dot com,
Speaker 1: slash podcasts, the Apple podcast app, Google Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: and wherever you find podcasts.