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<v Speaker 1>Simple questions for one hundred people. Welcome to the experiment.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Bill Correll, and this is my investigation. I'm researching

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<v Speaker 1>to gather data from one hundred beautiful human beings for

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<v Speaker 1>the sole purpose to see what actually happens across the interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>The questions are fixed and all the interviews will remain

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<v Speaker 1>consistent with the variable being the actual participants themselves and

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<v Speaker 1>their answers. So it's as if I'm having you or

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<v Speaker 1>come sit on my porch to share your thoughts so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can learn about people. We're looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>what we will learn when we're done, but in the means,

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<v Speaker 1>were really interested in your story and this process. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's my distinct pleasure to introduce my guests. Well, how

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<v Speaker 1>about I let you do it for me. What is

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<v Speaker 1>your full name?

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Claire Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Claire, Yes with an E.

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<v Speaker 2>No without And it was one that I actually gave

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<v Speaker 2>myself because we were not given middle names as children.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's interesting and some would say not very usual.

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<v Speaker 1>So talk to me about the process of not having

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<v Speaker 1>a middle name, and then when did you decide that

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<v Speaker 1>you really deserved a middle name and gave yourself Claire?

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<v Speaker 2>So when I got married is when I brought that in.

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<v Speaker 2>But none of our family was given middle names. Not

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<v Speaker 2>quite sure why the reasoning behind that. But my original

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<v Speaker 2>name was Laura Brats and so I changed my name

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<v Speaker 2>to Brown when I got married. Claire was my mother's

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<v Speaker 2>maiden name, so that's what I went to as my

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<v Speaker 2>middle name for kind of honoring her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, that's very traditional and men a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times back in the day, especially the turn of the

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<v Speaker 1>last century, what would be given their their mother's maiden

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<v Speaker 1>name is a middle name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think about it, it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>nice way to co join the names of the people

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<v Speaker 1>that are getting married, you know, instead of having a

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<v Speaker 1>hyphenated name like got started and rejuvenated in the sixties

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<v Speaker 1>and seventies. My wife's father's middle name was absolutely his

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<v Speaker 1>mother's surname.

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<v Speaker 2>So love that's interesting, Yeah, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, exciting. What's your favorite nickname that most people don't.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So I don't really have a nickname. I my

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<v Speaker 2>husband every so often calls me Pete and a few friends,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can be a Peter, but I never really

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<v Speaker 2>had a nickname. It's very interesting. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>about that either.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, so I'm going on a limb here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that letter is I not E correct, not

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<v Speaker 1>to be confused with the organization Peter P E t A.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly though that could match because of my love for animals.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, p I T A is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all in the interpretation right, exactly excellent. So no

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<v Speaker 1>pet names, the mom and dad, brothers, sisters, nothing, No,

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<v Speaker 1>my name.

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<v Speaker 2>Is spelled differently, so I think because my mom spelled

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<v Speaker 2>my name differently and I always had to spell my

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<v Speaker 2>name now to everyone that that probably just is where

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<v Speaker 2>it's sad because that was already complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I had a sister whose name was Laura l

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<v Speaker 1>a U r A, and I appreciate the uniqueness but

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<v Speaker 1>also the beauty of the l O r A. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I like it. I do the uniqueness for years

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<v Speaker 2>where people said Laurie because they all thought I spelled

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<v Speaker 2>it wrong, and I'm like, not, really is Laura. And

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<v Speaker 2>even in the hospital when I was born, they kept

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<v Speaker 2>bringing my birth certificate back like you spelled it wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and my mom kept saying no, I didn't, So it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was an interesting thing. So I love the

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<v Speaker 2>uniqueness of it. I always always can't have so.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful. So on to question number three, when did you

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<v Speaker 1>first notice what color hair you had?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I didn't have any hairtut I was three, so

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<v Speaker 2>probably around three, and was disturbed that I wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>bright red head because our whole family was redheads and

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<v Speaker 2>I had dark hair. So but yeah, probably about three

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<v Speaker 2>when I finally got here.

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<v Speaker 2>It was? It was a question when I asked my mom, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how come all the women in our family have red

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<v Speaker 2>hair and I'm the one that does not, and how

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<v Speaker 2>did that happen? So it was just kind of clear

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<v Speaker 2>right before I was or right after I was starting school,

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<v Speaker 2>and kids were like, your hair looks different from your family,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, yeah it does. Why am

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<v Speaker 2>I not a red head?

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<v Speaker 1>Did that start the background conversation of am I adopted?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was it the cable guy or me?

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<v Speaker 2>And my sister always suspected maybe the milkman or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's amazing. So red hair, that's interesting. We're

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<v Speaker 1>both your parents Jewish.

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<v Speaker 2>No, my father was not. As far as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was adopted, so we were quite sure. But no,

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<v Speaker 2>our Jewish side of our family, all the women have

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<v Speaker 2>red hair, all the men have dark hair.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love it. Yeah, that's very Scandinavian slash Irish,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or maybe Scottish. M there's some Viking blood

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<v Speaker 1>in there somewhere, I think probably. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also a suspect on my dad's side for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's interesting. We had a couple of folks in

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<v Speaker 1>our family who've had red hair when they were really

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<v Speaker 1>really young, and then it turned. But everybody else's hair

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<v Speaker 1>was either blonder or brunette. But I had five brothers

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<v Speaker 1>and sisters, and then my mom and dad, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were both brunettes. Just for your information, that's wonderful, Laura.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite thing to do to intentionally waste time.

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<v Speaker 2>I love to spend time with animals. We tend to

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of animals, so if I'm wasting time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm usually cuddling with animals, playing, talking, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I also like to just be outside, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go outside and stare at the stars or stare

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<v Speaker 2>at the clouds and just be in that moment. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my time waste.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. What kind of animals do you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now? We don't have any, which is the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in fifty years. But I primarily we've always had dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>and the big dogs, not little ones, always the big

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<v Speaker 2>scary ones, pit bulls and Whittwiler's German Shepherd things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the sneaky part of that is you and I

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<v Speaker 1>both know they are very docile breeds. Naturally we need

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<v Speaker 1>to be hooked up with a really bad human being

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<v Speaker 1>to get bad bits, in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely. I was in Colorado when they did the

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<v Speaker 2>pit Bull Band, which was very devastating because I'm used

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<v Speaker 2>to them being gentle creatures and that's what I knew,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was just one of those what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>How did this even come about? So I wasn't. I

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<v Speaker 2>was still young and unclear. I'm now very well aware,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm always have been a big advocate for all

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<v Speaker 2>the big dogs in general. But yeah, pipples hold a

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<v Speaker 2>very special place in my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and how many pit bulls do you think

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<v Speaker 1>you've had.

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<v Speaker 2>Come through my door? Probably thirty forty, maybe fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so now we've read we've hit an interesting topic.

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<v Speaker 1>The others weren't, but this is very interesting. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>what were you doing a shelter or like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of a foster program for for an almost

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<v Speaker 1>what was that all about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have done fostering. We work with animal rescues.

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<v Speaker 2>I go in and help in the rescues with rehab

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that as well as my mom was

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<v Speaker 2>a bus driver in Colorado for our TV and she

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<v Speaker 2>used to bring strays on the bus all the time

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<v Speaker 2>and bring them home. So it was just and with

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<v Speaker 2>her that was a wide variety of dogs. So we've had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of I think we've had every breed

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<v Speaker 2>of the medium to large sized dog at some point across.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we're in Colorado, were you.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up in Denver on the east side of

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<v Speaker 2>Denver and people five Points area. Went to Manual High School.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so when you think of Denver, I was born there.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the University of Colorado. I have lot

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<v Speaker 1>of family in Denver, and so the names of communities

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<v Speaker 1>that are so called Denver, like Arvada and Westminster and

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<v Speaker 1>Thornton and North Glenn, you know all of those. Aurora.

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<v Speaker 1>I was born in Aurora. Yeah. My dad was in

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<v Speaker 1>the service fitz Simmons Army Hospital, So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>neat And how long ago did you leave Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we were in Aurora before we left, and we

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Oklahoma a little over.

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<v Speaker 1>Six years ago, so it's been recent. Yeah, how about that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're finding things quite different in Oklahoma from from Denver,

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a big good jests. I will say

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<v Speaker 2>that we love it here. It's a different pace of

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<v Speaker 2>life than what Colorado has kind of become. And I

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<v Speaker 2>do love that I'm getting all or I like that quieter,

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<v Speaker 2>more country living life. But yeah, it was a huge

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<v Speaker 2>adjustment for us and our family because all of us

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<v Speaker 2>kind of came from a city living kind of atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you more rural and in the country at

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<v Speaker 1>this point or just a different kind of neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we are country. We're in a neighborhood. But all

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<v Speaker 2>the other corners around us are all farms, so cattle, horses,

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<v Speaker 2>that's of little mini manches everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go out and get your mammal fixed anytime

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<v Speaker 1>you want to. Huh. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you didn't give anything up. With regard to the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>they're both big sky, big beautiful, starry. Yeah. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier to see the stars now than it was

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver because the ambient light from the city sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>makes that a little bit more obscure, especially you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pollution and what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, definitely much clearer. And it was part of

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<v Speaker 2>my requirements when we moved here was I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be somewhere where there's no city lights so I can

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<v Speaker 2>see two stars instead of city stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. I mean it's almost like cleaning your windshield on

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<v Speaker 1>your car, you know, after driving it through a summer

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<v Speaker 1>worth of dust storms and all that sort of thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I love that analogy because that's perfect. It is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what it is. It was so clear now like wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you might see a few hundred stars. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>see a few hundred thousand. They're just wow. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what that looks like?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>So good for you. And we got there by asking

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<v Speaker 1>what you do to waste time? Isn't that lovely?

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<v Speaker 2>I love conversations just flow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, Laura, what's your favorite movie to watch alone?

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<v Speaker 2>I am a rom com person alone. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a very rom com husband, so I and my one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorites is Fifty First Dates because it is

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<v Speaker 2>the one probably that my husband will watch with me

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<v Speaker 2>the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you like about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I like the pretense of it. I like the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of, you know, kind of growing through that. But

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<v Speaker 2>if a lot of it comes from my husband feels

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<v Speaker 2>and me too.

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<v Speaker 1>At times, you've got a living historian that can actually

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<v Speaker 1>a little annoying every once in a while. Sounds to

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely he does it with love, but I'm sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>very annoying at times when he's like, you don't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore, Oh, yes, okay, I'm starting to get into

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<v Speaker 1>and you just awakened that in me again, So thank you. Goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a that's a great movie to watch alone

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<v Speaker 1>and with somebody, especially especially with your husband. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the one I'm looking forward to asking you if you

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<v Speaker 2>so it will probably be that nice and probably Super

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<v Speaker 2>Animal Lover. I'm not quite sure exactly what the name

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<v Speaker 1>To do with it. It's super Animal Lover. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>like it, I really do. Thank you. Let's talk some

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<v Speaker 1>more about that. What would you actually do with your superpower? You,

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<v Speaker 1>super Animal Lover you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always been a dream of mine to open a rescue,

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<v Speaker 2>to have a real facility where lots of different things

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<v Speaker 2>we treat people, and working with teenagers for so many

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<v Speaker 2>the world, but they have their one specific thing they

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<v Speaker 2>how we treat them and why it needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>So I appreciate and I love you know that you've

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<v Speaker 1>got kind of like two groups there. They're both groups

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<v Speaker 1>that I love as well. Not that that matters to you,

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<v Speaker 1>but it matters to me that that's where you operate

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Can you tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about what you did with teenagers.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked with behavioral I guess in quotes behavioral teenagers

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<v Speaker 2>in residential facilities and in juvenile courts, so they were

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<v Speaker 2>having problems and needed to be put in the facilities.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't always want jail for them, so they would

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<v Speaker 2>come into the residential facilities for programs. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>arrested for something they were going through the trial process,

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<v Speaker 2>but again we didn't want to leave them in jail

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<v Speaker 2>for that whole period, so we would monitor them in

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So did you have a set of criteria or some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a judgment that they would have to do

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<v Speaker 1>the future or was it all just a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>just discussing the cases as they went along and then

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<v Speaker 1>more or less deciding which ones were appropriate for this

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had a as a case manager. We had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of say of programs available. When I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the residential facilities, they were already sentenced to those

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<v Speaker 2>facilities that we were working in, so then it was

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<v Speaker 2>just more working through programs about I did. Part of

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<v Speaker 2>mine was teaching life skills, accountability, just looking at the

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<v Speaker 2>world a different way, and then the other programs were

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<v Speaker 2>more working on their behavior and how they approached things

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that. We usually did in groups, so

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<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of accountability factors among the group

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<v Speaker 2>going through the program. They had to kind of learn

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<v Speaker 2>how to be in society in a way that was

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<v Speaker 2>more civil. I guess for lack of a better word, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always behavior based, and you know, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a heartbreak to me to see the number of kids

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<v Speaker 1>even today, probably worse than when you were doing it

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of gross numbers and everything. But they're just

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<v Speaker 1>messing with the chemistry, you know, to a far greater

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<v Speaker 1>degree than when I was that age, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, everybody deserves a chance to get

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<v Speaker 1>back on the straight and narrow. And when we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about behaviors, I mean, you can't legislate behaviors. All you

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<v Speaker 1>can do is try to recondition, retrain and give them

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<v Speaker 1>a reason in their own mind, you know, to be

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<v Speaker 1>here and make a difference for their own behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, society has I think so it has what

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<v Speaker 2>society seems to have a standard that they think is proper,

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<v Speaker 2>and that doesn't always work across the board for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's more finding not trying to fix them, but

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to get an understanding of taking accountability for

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<v Speaker 2>the actions that you've done and those life skills of

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<v Speaker 2>caring for others in a way where you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to harm other people, you don't want to maybe say

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you say that create then chaos moment

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, a fight or whatever else. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was more teaching that of sometimes it's okay to hold

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<v Speaker 2>your tongue or other times it is truly necessary for

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<v Speaker 2>you to speak up and speak your truth and knowing

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<v Speaker 2>when those times.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of yeah, and giving them different words to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they are more powerful than just acting out

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<v Speaker 1>and not being understood. You know, I appreciate that you

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<v Speaker 1>did that, and I thank you for that, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really understand better, you know, your affinity for dogs at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, because in many ways we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same sort of you know, we've got this is acceptable,

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<v Speaker 1>but they behave like this and this stuff over here

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<v Speaker 1>and this stuff over here. We'll keep this stuff because

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<v Speaker 1>it's great, but this stuff on this side we got

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<v Speaker 1>to do a little, uh, well, let's see if we

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<v Speaker 1>can generate some interest on their part to behave differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little fine tuning.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a great superpower. And thank you for really

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, distinguishing it for me. So what

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<v Speaker 1>did you want to grow up to be when you

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<v Speaker 1>were five years old?

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely wanted to be a veterinarian. I knew it

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<v Speaker 2>from jump yeah, Yeah, that didn't happen back.

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<v Speaker 1>And is that because you were around divers animals from

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<v Speaker 1>an early age, because your mom kept bringing strays home

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<v Speaker 1>or else.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably that had a lot to do with it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I I really was just on that path. I

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<v Speaker 2>was really in that world and learning so much, and

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<v Speaker 2>then created an allergy to animals, and so we had

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<v Speaker 2>some We didn't stop bringing animals in, but there were

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<v Speaker 2>room anymore and I couldn't be all in my face

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<v Speaker 2>loving on them. So it hindered my ability to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go into that field. I've now since overcome

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<v Speaker 2>the allergies, so I kind of wish maybe I'd kept

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<v Speaker 2>on that path, but it definitely sent me in a

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<v Speaker 2>different path, and I did remain in rescue, but the

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<v Speaker 2>veterinarian inside of it kind of came out of the

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<v Speaker 2>pictures so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So your reaction to the allergy, what were the symptoms?

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<v Speaker 2>I broke out in hives. I couldn't breathe. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like a full anaphylactic shock kind of thing that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It still happens from time to time, especially if I

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<v Speaker 2>pet an animal and rub my eyes or something and

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<v Speaker 2>forget and then immediately sorry, everything starts to close up.

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<v Speaker 2>My eyes get ready, and I'm like, oh great, let

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<v Speaker 2>me go wash my hands real fast and wash my

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, now you know what to do and how

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with it. That's that's pretty awesome. And so

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<v Speaker 1>how did you How did you beat the allergy to

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<v Speaker 1>where you could actually be around them, but just not,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, rub them all over your face and

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<v Speaker 1>body right exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know. It just through time. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I finally just built that immunity up. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>you're unwilling to give something up, then your body will

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<v Speaker 2>eventually go, okay, we're just gonna go ahead and and

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<v Speaker 2>then let you have this. Maybe I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 2>it just I never stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's an awful lot too, you know, people putting

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<v Speaker 1>their mind to something and actually correcting it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at that level, I think that's pretty cool too. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you, of all people, should not have something

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<v Speaker 1>that terrible happens to you just because you're loving on animals.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yes, i'd agree, But.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't have that reaction with teenagers, did you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, I absolutely learned to hate them.

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<v Speaker 1>A different kind of allergy exactly, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was gonna have mine one day, So

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<v Speaker 2>I had to get to a certain point where I

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<v Speaker 2>no longer hated them. Part of why I've let I

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<v Speaker 2>stopped working with them was the idea that I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be effective if I had become so burned out by

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<v Speaker 2>what happened so and things that were going on and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So in that world, you're not only fighting the kids

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<v Speaker 2>and all the stuff in the programs that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>always necessarily agree with, but you're fighting all of the

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<v Speaker 2>judicial side of everything as well. So it can it

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<v Speaker 2>can be very tiresome to the those in that field

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<v Speaker 2>for long periods of time.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So did you have to accompany your your

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<v Speaker 1>your kids into juvenile court and when they were being

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<v Speaker 1>uh interviewed either by a prosecutor or the judge, and

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<v Speaker 1>when they were deciding what kind of a sentence they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to be given and what their story was

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<v Speaker 1>and what their most recent transgressions were and all that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as a case manager in juvenile court, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>what we had to do. And it was it was fun,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and judges are if you don't have your

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<v Speaker 2>ducks in a row and you're in front of a judge,

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<v Speaker 2>they let you know they're not not so nice. So

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<v Speaker 2>again it was kind of those parts of things, and

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<v Speaker 2>but our opinions mattered. We did get to say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're working with them now when this is what we see.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were part of the overall factor into what

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<v Speaker 2>all the other things. So there were several reports, several

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<v Speaker 1>So did the judges tend to ask you what your

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<v Speaker 1>person you were with and actually listen to you or

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00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.000
<v Speaker 1>was it more less personal than that.

427
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>No, they actually got personal with us. It did matter,

428
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<v Speaker 2>especially if the social worker and the lawyers and if

429
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>there was just no cohesiveness among them, then they would

430
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 2>really turn to us and be like, look, you spend

431
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 2>this time with them, you know them, you meet them

432
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.839
<v Speaker 2>every week, you're in their home. Give us a reality

433
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:45.640
<v Speaker 2>check of what's happening, and so yeah, then we would

434
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:48.440
<v Speaker 2>definitely speak up and say these are the things we see,

435
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.160
<v Speaker 2>these are red flags, These were not red flags and

436
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.119
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff.

437
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>So well, that's an extraordinary level of commitment and also

438
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>probably energy drain. I can imagine there were times that

439
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>you were in in a juvenile court, going I should

440
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.759
<v Speaker 1>not be the one here doing this right now, it

441
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:11.680
<v Speaker 1>should be anyone but me, or and then other times

442
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 1>you probably were saying, I am so glad I'm here.

443
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, this might have gone badly if I hadn't

444
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:17.839
<v Speaker 1>been here.

445
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 2>So I had a unique perspective because I grew up

446
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 2>where I grew up and how I grew up. I

447
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:31.680
<v Speaker 2>was involved in gangs, I was involved in, I guess

448
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>with people, risky behavior of my own. I was not

449
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the easiest child in the world from my mother as

450
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 2>a single parent, for sure. So I had a different

451
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>perspective a lot of times on where behaviors may have

452
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 2>come from instead of, you know, just they're just bad kids,

453
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.400
<v Speaker 2>you know. So that's kind of where my fireback always

454
00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.119
<v Speaker 2>came into, was I grew up like these kids, I

455
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 2>lived like these kids, and I wasn't that far removed

456
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.839
<v Speaker 2>from them when I started working with them. I was nineteen,

457
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 2>so I was just coming out of that world myself,

458
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>and I did that by moving to Oakland for two

459
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:18.440
<v Speaker 2>years and then coming and working there with their teenagers,

460
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>and then coming back to Colorado to kind of separate

461
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 2>myself from the community parts aspects, Like I loved our community,

462
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>but there are aspects of it that were very influential

463
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>so during that time frame, So I wasn't that far

464
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:38.079
<v Speaker 2>from removed from their age group either already, So I

465
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 2>had a different perspective, and we grew up very non judgmental.

466
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So I think I was more People would say I

467
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>was more on the side of the kids, and I'm

468
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>just like, I'm more on the side of not having

469
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.160
<v Speaker 2>that judgment and let's figure out what the deeper core

470
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>problems are.

471
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, good for you, because if there's ever a

472
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 1>way to get a kid back on the straight and marrow,

473
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>it's the way to go. Putting them, you know, incarcerating

474
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>them and just giving them a time out for years

475
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>at a time. It produces no good result, ever, and

476
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 1>they usually end up coming out worse than they went in,

477
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, so in my experience and good So so

478
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.119
<v Speaker 1>this is interesting. We got there from your desire to

479
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>be a veterinarian when you were five. What would you

480
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>say your greatest accomplishment is.

481
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I have raised an amazing Then I love being a wife.

482
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I am people oriented and being with the animals. So

483
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 2>I think for me, it's the ability to just not be,

484
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 2>not be non judged, to be non judgmental, and live

485
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 2>in this world in a way that's just very accepting

486
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 2>of who everybody is and allowing them to be. So

487
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 2>I think for me, it's more my mindset is the accomplishment.

488
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm wondering you You mentioned that you had experience

489
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>in Denver, and this is a lot of kids go

490
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 1>through this where their neighborhood has gangs, they're members of gangs.

491
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>They're doing that more than because to not be a

492
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>member of a gang is dangerous. You know, my dad

493
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>grew up in Detroit where they were they were lower

494
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>middle middle class. My grandfather, you know, worked you know,

495
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 1>for for Chrysler Corporation. But my dad managed to never

496
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>be a member of a gang. Uh. And then he

497
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>got out of out of Detroit. And I'm just wondering

498
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:46.839
<v Speaker 1>what your story, because what you just talked about is

499
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 1>is that you are describing yourself as kind of like

500
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, Oklahoma American Gothic. Now you know that family

501
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:03.119
<v Speaker 1>and husband and children. That wasn't necessarily an aspiration of

502
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.279
<v Speaker 1>a twelve year old or a fourteen year old that

503
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 1>was running with the wrong people. You know, now, did

504
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 1>you were you involved in it particular yourself or did

505
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 1>you just watch people around you kind of doing weird things.

506
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 2>I was involved myself and around so in our community.

507
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 2>The it wasn't just that we were like, we're going

508
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 2>to join a gang. It was we were living in

509
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>our community as friends. You know, we're hanging out, we

510
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>know each other, and LA did this terrible thing. Were

511
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>instead of dealing with their own game problems, they banned

512
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>all of them and they.

513
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>All came ready work right, right.

514
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.559
<v Speaker 2>So you take a community of people that you know,

515
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 2>get along, that are family, that enjoy each other, and

516
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you then add in that aspect of well, I can

517
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 2>make you money, I can have this going on. So

518
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>then things start to you know, I money and drugs

519
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>come into it, and lines start to get drawn, and

520
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 2>people start to lean a certain way, and it became

521
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>glorified in a way that was not our experience. You know,

522
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 2>every little neighborhood has their people like this little group

523
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>or quick of kids and this quick of kids, and

524
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 2>we were our people's right. So that's really what we were.

525
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>I was, so I was on the east side and

526
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I was I was with the cribs on the east side.

527
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I went to a school. I went to George, Washington

528
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 2>for two years, and that was considered an all Blood

529
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:48.119
<v Speaker 2>area school. So I was definitely crossing lines. But I

530
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 2>knew these kids like we were all friends, and it

531
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:58.000
<v Speaker 2>made zero difference about those lines drawn. But for protection

532
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 2>and for our ideas of protection, you kind of pick

533
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>where you are. And you know, I still always cross lines.

534
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I tend to be a lot safer than other people felt.

535
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 2>But we lost. We lost so many people, and we

536
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>lost hundreds within my high school years. And the idea well, yeah,

537
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 2>I was in high school with eighty seven to or

538
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>eighty eight to ninety three, so yeah, but it definitely

539
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 2>the height of it started in around eighty seven when

540
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I was in junior high for US, and that was

541
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.960
<v Speaker 2>just it just happened, like there was no plan, and

542
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of everybody started feeling that push from

543
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>the ones coming in and getting in our ears and

544
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>saying we can do this, and we can do this.

545
00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 2>And Colorado was fresh fresh meat, I guess for lack

546
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of a better word. Again, but we were a fresh canvas

547
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>from what LA was and that definitely made it difficult.

548
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>So well, I'll tell you what I again, I had

549
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>some experience in the middle of the nineteen nineties trying

550
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to mitigate all of that in communities around us. But

551
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 1>there was a period of time where the Crips and

552
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 1>the Bloods were actively recruiting in every single community in

553
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 1>the United States and Canada, and their goal was to syndicate,

554
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know, to be able to I had some

555
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 1>smart people that were involved with it and said, hey, look,

556
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.639
<v Speaker 1>they can't get all of us, and how do we

557
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:47.519
<v Speaker 1>raise the most money that we're going to need if

558
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 1>somebody has a big court case or something of that nature.

559
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, we can't do that as a clique here

560
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 1>in watts or you know, here in Aurora, you know,

561
00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 1>or like that. So that when you start becoming some

562
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:06.039
<v Speaker 1>part of something that's bigger than you, especially like that

563
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:12.679
<v Speaker 1>and those two gangs from the outside, they were portrayed

564
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.719
<v Speaker 1>as evil. Nobody ever took the time to figure out

565
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 1>why are they doing this? For the most part, in

566
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of cases, they didn't have a home life.

567
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 1>You know, their friends became their family, and what their

568
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 1>family did became the tie, and they shared blood with

569
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.239
<v Speaker 1>each other, and before you know it, they would do

570
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>anything that somebody needed them to do just because we're friends. Yeah. Yeah,

571
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>all perfectly natural human reactions for things.

572
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well in the sty behind the cryps and bloods,

573
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:48.760
<v Speaker 2>even in LA doesn't come to light. So again, when

574
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 2>you say they're portrayed as evil, it did not start

575
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 2>off that way. I happened to. I'm highly involved in

576
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, Denver at that time, the Five Points in

577
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 2>East Side area was a very dominant Black neighborhood and

578
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I grew up that way. So my mother had us

579
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.119
<v Speaker 2>very culturally ingrained with lots of different cultures. We were

580
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 2>living in the community. We were also part of the

581
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 2>l g TBq community because that's where it was then,

582
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and so there was a lot of different cultures and

583
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different beliefs that were all kind of

584
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:32.400
<v Speaker 2>being intermixed for us as a family. And I started

585
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.599
<v Speaker 2>seeing things that I didn't appreciate that wasn't It was

586
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a protection necessity that kind of came in from those

587
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 2>that you know, I don't want to be too political,

588
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 2>but there was a fear that came into the community

589
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 2>when outsiders were coming in and trying to control and

590
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.400
<v Speaker 2>things were happening. So there's a lot of racial then tension,

591
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:57.199
<v Speaker 2>and there was a lot of you know, gender tensions

592
00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 2>between those communities and different things started happening. So I

593
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>think left to their own and the way that it started,

594
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.639
<v Speaker 2>the idea of what it was and why it was necessary.

595
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Even in California, the way it started became politicized into

596
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>that negative, ugly feeling, and then it became glorified into

597
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that violence and that drug world and this way of

598
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>being and stuff. And it didn't need to be that way.

599
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>But there were so many factors and I definitely have

600
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>my opinions on those things. But I am a avid

601
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:43.599
<v Speaker 2>supporter still of the black community, of the l g T,

602
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 2>BQ I as plus now there's.

603
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.800
<v Speaker 1>A few added Q up to Q.

604
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.559
<v Speaker 2>When I was young, so and I have you know,

605
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.000
<v Speaker 2>my mother and my sister are about lesbians, and so

606
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 2>I definitely grew up with all women and all lesbians

607
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>primarily and primarily all Black women. So me being in

608
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.800
<v Speaker 2>that community and being an advocate in those ways in

609
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>those areas was just it was it was huge for me.

610
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Those were the things that mattered, so and what how

611
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought we were not violent people. I'm not inherently

612
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:23.199
<v Speaker 2>a violent person, but I had a violent upbringing because

613
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>we were protecting ourselves in a lot of ways. And

614
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 2>I was a Jew. When people found that out, you know,

615
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 2>that was a whole other set offences and things like that.

616
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>So it was just a lot of different things. But inherently,

617
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody just starts off like I just

618
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 2>am going to be a violent person and terrorize and

619
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 2>kill and you know, force dregs and this other stuff.

620
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it just morphs into that when stories are

621
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 2>portrayed in a certain ways.

622
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 1>So understand, and you know what, a lot of times

623
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 1>a very small thing gets blown out of proportion, it

624
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>gets generalized to a whole population. And now instead of

625
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 1>talking about two or three hundred people and on the

626
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>east side of Denver, you're now talking about two or

627
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 1>three million all over the you know, the continental US,

628
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and paint with a brad brush and like they're all

629
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.639
<v Speaker 1>the same and they're just not. You're a really great

630
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:25.119
<v Speaker 1>example of that, And I mean, hats off to you.

631
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, I now understand your greatest accomplishment,

632
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, with with with with a deeper, deeper understanding

633
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 1>for sure. Yeah, and congratulations on that, you know, And

634
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.159
<v Speaker 1>I know it's a work in progress for you, that

635
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 1>this is something that you know, your family and your

636
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.559
<v Speaker 1>commitment to all the people around you, all the folks

637
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 1>that you just described. It's a big commitment and you

638
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know all those people, but you're always going to

639
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.280
<v Speaker 1>have a light on for them, you know, And I

640
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 1>think that's wonderful. So this is really cool. I mean,

641
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>we're getting into an area here offline. There's more for

642
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<v Speaker 1>us to talk about. But who's your favorite person to

643
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<v Speaker 1>listen to? Well?

644
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Music wise, I'm a big music baby and I love music,

645
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and my favorite is Alicia Keys. I just I'm a

646
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<v Speaker 2>fan girl. I'm not a normal fan girl, but I

647
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<v Speaker 2>am a fan girl of Alicia Keys.

648
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There are there any speakers or you know, what

649
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<v Speaker 1>you would consider, you know, thought leaders or something of

650
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.960
<v Speaker 1>that nature that you like to listen to as well,

651
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<v Speaker 1>or are you more or less at a different kind

652
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<v Speaker 1>of a place in your life where what other people

653
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<v Speaker 1>are having to say is maybe a little bit less

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<v Speaker 1>important to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and no, I am a fan of Brenne Brown

656
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and a few of the other spiritual leaders. I am

657
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:02.480
<v Speaker 2>more and I watched and study a lot of the channelers,

658
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Bashar and things like that so on that spiritual world.

659
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<v Speaker 2>So I do a lot more of that the spiritual

660
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:15.880
<v Speaker 2>being within the spiritual world, and there's just a lot

661
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 2>of them that we actually listen to, so but probably

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00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the typical ones that most people listen to within the

663
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>spiritual world. But yeah, I am I am a huge

664
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 2>fan of Ashar who's a channeler. And then I like

665
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the mindset of women. So I don't have a favorite,

666
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 2>but I love the women that are bringing the empowerment

667
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.599
<v Speaker 2>and the women to the forefront that are, you know,

668
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 2>really in that movement of you know, equality and our

669
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 2>rights not being taken away and you know, just really

670
00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>giving that those platforms and that that true fighting spirit

671
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe for women that are really bringing that out. And

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00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 2>that's again how I was raised with the women. It

673
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 2>was women are empowered, stand in your place, do not

674
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>bend you are you know, you have all the rights,

675
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.480
<v Speaker 2>you have everything. And I was just coming into a

676
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:24.159
<v Speaker 2>world when rights were just barely being given with a

677
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.519
<v Speaker 2>single mother, you know, so it was you know that

678
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. So I'm really just more in that

679
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>world when it comes to women empowerment and in that

680
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>spiritual journey and growth. So I don't truly have a favorite.

681
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>It's more the movement I think.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, very clear and quite frankly, it's something you

683
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 1>live and not something you say. Uh. From my experience

684
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>with you just in a couple of having to chat

685
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>with you a little bit the other day. Yeah, So

686
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 1>now we'll come to the present. Please complete this sentence

687
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>if you will. When I grow up, i'd like to.

688
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to grow up. I'd like to remain

689
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a child. So when I grow up, I want to

690
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.679
<v Speaker 2>go back to childhood. Maybe I should.

691
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Say that or recommit for another ten years. Yeah, Rea,

692
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:27.280
<v Speaker 1>up for another ten years. I like that.

693
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to be a childlife spirit. But when I

694
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 2>truly when I grow up, I want to just continue

695
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>on that path of the movement of what I feel

696
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and and just loving on people, being able to give

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00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 2>back to the community and do all of the things

698
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 2>that make community an amazing place to be.

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00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, So your what's your definition of being childlike? What?

700
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 1>What kind of thoughts do you have? What's the characteristic

701
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:07.079
<v Speaker 1>of children that you think is so worth preserving in

702
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>your own life, and how would you say that you

703
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>are childlike in your thoughts and behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>I think with children with their lack of censor, I

705
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>absolutely adore it. As we get older, we're told how

706
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>to behave and how to act, and as an ADHD person,

707
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I tend to mimic people around me. You know, I

708
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.880
<v Speaker 2>heard people all my life like, oh my god, your

709
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.079
<v Speaker 2>mother would be so ashamed, and I'd go, oh, I

710
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.639
<v Speaker 2>probably shouldn't do that then, and I'd fix that, right.

711
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I love the idea of though I was a difficult child,

712
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I was very honest, I was very upfront. Nobody questioned

713
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>anything about how I felt or you know, what I thought.

714
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 2>And I love that. I love the idea that children

715
00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 2>are just free to feel, to think, to do, to

716
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 2>be who they are and to not lose that. And

717
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I would That's what I would love to go back to.

718
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Is that authentic. This is who I am. Love me

719
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 2>or hate me, enjoy you know. I'm not going to

720
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 2>be worried about what I say or what I do

721
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 2>or who I offend. If I offend you, you're not

722
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 2>for me. We can part and be loving. I offend lovingly.

723
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.800
<v Speaker 2>But it's those things where if we don't see eye

724
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to eye and we can't have a conversation that doesn't

725
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.639
<v Speaker 2>include a battle of some kind. And I don't want

726
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to engage. I just want to you know, this is

727
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 2>how I feel, that's how you feel. Yay, let's move forward,

728
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, and kind of get past all of that.

729
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 2>So that's how I see kids. I see kids with

730
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 2>that just genuine honesty and ability to say what's on

731
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>their mind, what they think without all of the censors

732
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>that happen as we get older.

733
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Excellent. I appreciate your being a child and I support it,

734
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.559
<v Speaker 1>and I invite you to continue doing that for the

735
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:10.360
<v Speaker 1>rest of your life.

736
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>No, well, thank you.

737
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 1>For what it's worth. So what's the most important thing

738
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:19.199
<v Speaker 1>in life to you right now?

739
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm working through this business because I have goals,

740
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.320
<v Speaker 2>and also really supporting my set in trying to figure

741
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.239
<v Speaker 2>out where he's going with his life, though he doesn't

742
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>have to know that at twenty. But I think really

743
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:41.119
<v Speaker 2>just leaning in more to all the things that I

744
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>have supported through my life, to really lean into that more,

745
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 2>use my voice and use my presence more in all

746
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>of the things that really are truly dear to me

747
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:55.719
<v Speaker 2>and dear to my heart.

748
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, good stuff. And so later, what would you

749
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 1>like to live in the world after your life is

750
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.079
<v Speaker 1>done long time from now.

751
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 2>The idea that you have permission to be who you

752
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 2>are just I would love to leave that legacy of

753
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.280
<v Speaker 2>there is no need to change, there is no need

754
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 2>for you to be inauthentic, that your life can be

755
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>what it is. You're not here to be suitable for

756
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>everybody in the world, So be suitable for those that

757
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 2>love you and that you love. And you know where

758
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.159
<v Speaker 2>your tribe is, where your people are, and don't worry

759
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 2>about the missed.

760
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty great legacy. You know, the skin you're

761
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:51.199
<v Speaker 1>in love it, m yeah, beautiful. So I have a

762
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>baker and she's this beautiful Italian woman and every time

763
00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:59.679
<v Speaker 1>I go in, and I don't do it as much

764
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 1>as I used to before COVID, but if I go

765
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:05.679
<v Speaker 1>in and get a dozen donuts or a dozen cupcakes,

766
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>or you know, a dozen cookies or anything, always get

767
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>a thirteenth one. And so we've had twelve questions and

768
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you get a free thirteenth question. Are you ready for it?

769
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready for it.

770
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 1>The baker's question is what's the thing that most people

771
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 1>misunderstand about you, Laura.

772
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I think people feel that I am always I'm always

773
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 2>in debate, or that I'm always enjoying conflict or I'm

774
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>stirring things up, and I'm not. But I think that's

775
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.559
<v Speaker 2>the big thing is that even in I do human design,

776
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:49.480
<v Speaker 2>So for those that understand it or have heard about

777
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.800
<v Speaker 2>human design, it literally I am a catalyst in my

778
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 2>human design, and so I embrace that I am not

779
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:03.519
<v Speaker 2>purposely ever trying to start conflict or disruption or anything else,

780
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 2>but in some ways I am. I think we grew

781
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.880
<v Speaker 2>up so open and our mom allowed us to be

782
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:15.280
<v Speaker 2>who we were no matter what, with no judgment, no

783
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.599
<v Speaker 2>care about what would happen, because she knew we would

784
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 2>be in our eyes good people or in her eyes,

785
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>like I think she always knew we had a heart

786
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:29.719
<v Speaker 2>for people and things are animals and things. So I

787
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:33.800
<v Speaker 2>think that's really what it is. It's just that I'm

788
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 2>not I am a catalyst. I am here for change.

789
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I want change, I absolutely do. So if that does

790
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 2>mean I come across as a bit combative or confrontational,

791
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 2>then so be it. But I truly am not. I

792
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 2>just really I do. I have a passion that is

793
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>it's been to me since I was little. I've just

794
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<v Speaker 2>kind of always known I was pushed towards that, and

795
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:04.440
<v Speaker 2>those passions will come out how they're supposed to, and

796
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.519
<v Speaker 2>that I unapologetically they will. I will be who I

797
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:09.880
<v Speaker 2>am unapologetically.

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00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I kind of get that you would be

799
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:19.880
<v Speaker 1>how unapologetically. However, you also strike me as the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of person that doesn't intentionally leave messes around. If there's

801
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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to clean it up and move on, you'll

802
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 1>do that. However, if you put your effort in and

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<v Speaker 1>it's still not cleaned up and people have maintained an

804
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.639
<v Speaker 1>attitude about what you said or what you did, then

805
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:39.480
<v Speaker 1>you're perfectly satisfied with them to stay with that, having

806
00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:42.800
<v Speaker 1>given it your best shot. Yeah, absolutely, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Did all the time that I'm the rip the band

808
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<v Speaker 2>aid off or face the mirror and then I'll hold

809
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:51.519
<v Speaker 2>your hand through it. But I am that one that

810
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<v Speaker 2>rips the band aid off. I just say it, no

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00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:57.440
<v Speaker 2>matter how harsh it feels, and then or do it

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<v Speaker 2>and then yeah, and then but I'm there. I don't

813
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 2>just do that and run away for everything to explode.

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00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.679
<v Speaker 2>I stand in it with you and deal through the

815
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<v Speaker 2>whole thing.

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00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.239
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, I love it, and I've kind of learned

817
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.159
<v Speaker 1>and then forgotten that I knew this. Sometimes it's good

818
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>to say I'm not sure how this is going to

819
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>come out, but this is the words I've got available

820
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to me right now. You know, don't take it personally,

821
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>because this is my reflection that I'm seeing back to me,

822
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.239
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to give it to you that way,

823
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and then you let me know what you got, you know,

824
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.800
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, because I don't think you're in

825
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the business of killing relationships. I see you as having

826
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 1>had some friends that they've hung out with you through

827
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:43.360
<v Speaker 1>thick and thin a very long time. Yeah.

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00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. It takes a lot from my friends because they

829
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>get it too, probably more than anything my poor husband,

830
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. But it's you know, and I sense that

831
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 2>you get used to that. You understand. It comes from love.

832
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.599
<v Speaker 2>It's never come from anything but light and love and

833
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.840
<v Speaker 2>just a really good place in my heart.

834
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<v Speaker 1>So, boy, wouldn't it be great if we could give

835
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 1>everybody access to that where they could be able to,

836
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:17.119
<v Speaker 1>like the training for the kids, not have the appropriate words,

837
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 1>but take a moment or two and figure out what

838
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>they're going to do, if anything before having a reactive scenario.

839
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Right and then accepting if they don't. Sometimes the process

840
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Speaker 2>is longer, so you can you can do that rip

841
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:36.239
<v Speaker 2>off the band aid, and then they've got a process

842
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.159
<v Speaker 2>to kind of deal with. And I have been the

843
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:41.280
<v Speaker 2>villain in many stories, and I'm okay with that. I

844
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.159
<v Speaker 2>do not mind being the villain a story as long

845
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 2>as you use it for good. You understand that I

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<v Speaker 2>won't remain the villain like. You've got to figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how to get past that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the savior often looks like the villain at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning. Yeah, so do you have any questions of me?

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<v Speaker 2>I just really love what you're doing. And I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to say that the ability to come in and ask

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<v Speaker 2>those questions and bring out conversations that most people wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>hear or know. I just truly find that remarkable because

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<v Speaker 2>it does take a big heart and a person with

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<v Speaker 2>dedication to truly do something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I will take that acknowledgment. I'm getting so

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<v Speaker 1>much out of it too. I mean, it's a labor

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<v Speaker 1>of love. I've always loved people because like yourself, my

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<v Speaker 1>friends and my family and my community. It changed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot while I was growing up we were nomads across

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<v Speaker 1>the country. But at the same time, I've always been

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<v Speaker 1>interested in people. I've got better questions now than I

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<v Speaker 1>used to.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, since you grew up more of a nomad, have

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<v Speaker 2>you ever done the no mad life I owed, the

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<v Speaker 2>traveling across the US and just outside of from your childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you continued to do that in any way?

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<v Speaker 1>I really haven't, other than to go on vacations or

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<v Speaker 1>to find you know, if I'm twenty years ago. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the nineteen nineties, I spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time traveling all over the place to get different types

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<v Speaker 1>of education. But it's something I can see myself doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you what in that vein what I

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<v Speaker 1>do do. Because my wife works diligently as a rural

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<v Speaker 1>postal carrier, and she every once in a while is

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<v Speaker 1>working six or seven days a week. I'll just you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Two months ago, I hopped in my car, my new

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<v Speaker 1>convertible that I bought new to me, not new at all,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five, and I just drove and contacted

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<v Speaker 1>people up and down the East Coast and went spent

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<v Speaker 1>a day or two with them, or maybe out to dinner,

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00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 1>or maybe were three days, you know. But I got

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<v Speaker 1>in contact with probably thirteen or fourteen people, many of

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<v Speaker 1>whom I'd never met before but have been Facebook friends

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<v Speaker 1>for fifteen or twenty years. Old friends that I've had

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<v Speaker 1>for a very long time, a couple of which are

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<v Speaker 1>are are struggling, you know, with different forms of cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't sure if I'd ever see them again,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were wonderful times with them. So that nomad thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I put thirty five hundred miles on my car in

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh loves.

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<v Speaker 1>Although that's not an extended nomad, I'd say it was

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<v Speaker 1>probably the way I do things. It was probably you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hyperspace nomad quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I'm loving the new digital nomad center world. I

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<v Speaker 2>even have clients but that they're traveling. They have these

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<v Speaker 2>amazing rbs and they're going on these chips and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so jealous that they tell me their stories and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I was there, But I love it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a big traveler. I love being home, but we've

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<v Speaker 2>traveled a lot. I just have a real big security

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<v Speaker 2>about being home. But I love the fact that they

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<v Speaker 2>can do that, they can get out there and just

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<v Speaker 2>travel and be a part of it, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we are going to do it again for

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, the first two weeks of November. My lovely

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<v Speaker 1>wife and I are going to hop in the car

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<v Speaker 1>and pretty much do the same thing and go see

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<v Speaker 1>some of our common friends that we haven't seen in

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<v Speaker 1>Florida for a few years. But beautiful, So, any other

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts that you want to share in terms of all

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<v Speaker 1>of the You've been so generous and so open about

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much everything I've asked you, and I really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the conversation I was. I'm interested because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't realize that you were from Colorado. Did you stay

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<v Speaker 2>there long for? What high school did you go to?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, i'll tell you what. You've got questions, I've got answers.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what we're going to do is we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to wrap up here and we're holding our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you guys are interested in this, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you are. But maybe you and I can do another

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<v Speaker 1>just the two of us talking about our shared experiences

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<v Speaker 1>and family stuff that happened in Denver and some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we're not maybe so proud of and

928
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<v Speaker 1>other things that man, they made us who we are

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<v Speaker 1>and we're so glad that happened. You know. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the human being side of things, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate that, and I think from my perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of the I can say is everybody's great,

934
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<v Speaker 1>you know in these interviews, which are basically just conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with Bill. You know. So thanks for coming and hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out on my porch for a little while, Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're very welcoming you folks at home. Thanks for once

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<v Speaker 1>again listening to us have this totally spontaneous exchange of

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and thoughts, all based around some pretty standard questions.

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<v Speaker 1>And would you do me a favor while I'm thinking

942
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<v Speaker 1>of it, I would like for you to accept a

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<v Speaker 1>little chore that I've got for you. Will you reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to someone that you know, like and trust and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even love and let them know that they matter

946
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<v Speaker 1>to you, that your world is better because you know

947
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<v Speaker 1>they're here, and if they ever need you, no matter

948
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<v Speaker 1>what it is, you know, twenty four to seven, they

949
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:34.360
<v Speaker 1>can call you and you will help them with whatever

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<v Speaker 1>whatever terrors they're going through at the moment, and get

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<v Speaker 1>them through at least to the other side. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>to know that they've always got a phone, a friend,

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<v Speaker 1>in a safety line. So with that said, ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>once again, this is Simple Questions for one hundred People.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Bill Correll and I have absolutely loved my

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<v Speaker 1>time with you today. My dear guest Laura Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I've enjoyed it too.

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<v Speaker 1>All right bye. For now you've been listening to Simple

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