1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Mind Over Murder podcast. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,679 Speaker 2: My name is Bill Thomas. I'm a writer, consulting, producer, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,839 and now podcaster. I am now trying to use my 4 00:00:12,919 --> 00:00:15,800 experience as the brother of a murder victim to help 5 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:18,600 other victims of violent crime. I'm working on a book 6 00:00:18,679 --> 00:00:21,440 on the unsolved Colonial Parkway murders, and I'm the co 7 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:24,760 administrator of the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook group together with 8 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:25,519 Kristin Dilly. 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: My name is Kristin Dilly. 10 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:31,199 Speaker 4: I'm a writer, a researcher, a teacher, and a victim's advocate, 11 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:34,719 as well as the social media manager and co administrator 12 00:00:34,799 --> 00:00:37,799 for the Colonial Parkway Murders Facebook page with my partner 13 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,079 in crime, Bill Thomas. 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,119 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Mind Over Murder. This is part two 15 00:00:45,399 --> 00:00:50,759 of our conversation with Jim Clemente, James Fitzgerald and Bobby Shacone. 16 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:53,679 All three of them have been on the creative staff 17 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,119 for the hit show Criminal Minds. We pick up the 18 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:01,719 conversation midstream. Very important to listen to part one of 19 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:05,359 our conversation with Jim, fitz and Bobby so that part 20 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:09,040 two makes sense. As always, we're really glad to have 21 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:13,480 you here. Here's part two of our conversation regarding Criminal 22 00:01:13,519 --> 00:01:15,519 Minds and its twentieth anniversary. 23 00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 5: As we're shooting that and doing rehearsals and so forth, 24 00:01:20,519 --> 00:01:25,040 and seeing them interact, it's certainly brought back times when 25 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:27,599 their lives are on the line, Our lives are on 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,040 the line. We although Bobby and I didn't work together, 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,719 Fitz and I did, And yeah, we were kicking indoors, 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,159 and yeah, we were chasing people armed and dangerous. At 29 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:39,599 one time, there was an armored car robbery that happened 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,640 literally a half a block away from us, and we 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,000 were the first two agents on that scene. And there 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,799 were a number of times when what we were doing 33 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:52,159 was dangerous, not as much as it occurs in a 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,599 Criminal Mind season. There seems to be a lot of 35 00:01:55,799 --> 00:02:00,040 things that happened to particular profilers on the show that 36 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:03,519 necessarily happen every week in the real world. Nevertheless, we 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,159 did do that kind of work. That's part and parcel 38 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:08,759 of what an FBI agent is, and there's a lot 39 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:11,080 of brave men and women who are doing that today 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,039 in even tougher times. So it's a very rewarding thing 41 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:19,000 to see these people play us on TV with such 42 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:20,520 sort of honor and dignity. 43 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: He threw it out there. 44 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:24,199 Speaker 6: So I have to ask it, is there some reason 45 00:02:24,439 --> 00:02:28,479 why Spencer Reid was always the person who got kidnapped, 46 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:30,719 Druggs beat up, or something on. 47 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:38,039 Speaker 3: Any given week like one kinds, I cut you off? 48 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:38,960 What were you going to say? 49 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 7: No, I was going to back up what Jim just said. 50 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:44,280 And Jim, if you remember, we were still working agents 51 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:48,479 when maybe after episode I'm sorry, season one, I think 52 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,240 it was season one, they came to you and said, 53 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:54,080 we want to have a bonus chapter if you will, 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,719 on our DVD we're putting out and younger people can 55 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:59,479 look up what a DVD was. But anyway, they actually 56 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,960 came to the FBI Academy, and remember our ace act 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,919 Jack hasse rest in peace. He gave us permission, as 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,599 says he did, but we actually shot. They recorded us 59 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,080 sitting in the FBI library, real actual profilers talking about 60 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:15,159 real actual cases. We couldn't give all the details away 61 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:17,520 and stuff, but that was actually still out there. The 62 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,719 disc of season one were Criminal Minds, the two of 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,919 us being interviewed, walking doing b roll through the academy 64 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,960 grounds and things like that, and as there are very 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,120 few TV shows or movies ever filmed at the Academy. 66 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,280 I Signed into the Lambs is one of them, but 67 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:34,439 not too many others after that power except our clip 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,680 from season one of Criminal Minds. Bonus. 69 00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:39,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I should say something about Spencer Reid since 70 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:41,680 you brought him up. When he came to the audition, 71 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,560 he thought he was auditioning as a director because that's 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,159 where he went to school for. But when he was 73 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:50,400 in school, his director teacher professor had them act in 74 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:52,120 a movie that he had done. And I can't remember 75 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:54,280 the name of it. He might have been Mars Attacks, 76 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,840 I don't know. Anyway, I think he was confused, and 77 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:01,360 they said to him, look, we want to read for 78 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,919 this part, doctor Reid, and he says. He picks up 79 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,039 the script and he looks at flips through it really quick, 80 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:09,560 and he says okay, and they said, no, we want 81 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:11,120 you to do it now. And they said, he said, 82 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,879 give me my line, So they give him the lead 83 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:16,079 in line without looking at the script again. He does 84 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,759 his lines and they're like, what's going on here? And 85 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,680 he goes to an adetic memory, so that immediately became 86 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:27,519 part of his character. He also wore one green, white 87 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,639 and blue stripe sock and one red, purple and orange 88 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:33,800 stripe sock. So that became part of his character as well. 89 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,439 So we actually put a lot of him into his character. 90 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,680 He's such a first of all, an amazing linguist in 91 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,680 that he can he just has this power of being 92 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,120 able to use language. I would write the most difficult 93 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,040 technical language for his lines, and he would look at 94 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,279 it once and made changes. Yeah, he would hate it 95 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:57,399 when he when we made changes to the script because 96 00:04:57,399 --> 00:04:59,680 he always relied on the first read he did. But 97 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,399 anyway way, he would look at it once and he 98 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:07,319 would say these lines psychological terms, profil filing terms as 99 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:09,920 if he knew what they meant, and it was just like, 100 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,879 it was amazing. It was just he was yeah, but 101 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,240 an amazing actor, and so many of them are like that. 102 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,560 Paget was really good whenever we had really tough lines 103 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,360 that we had to some because at the last minute, 104 00:05:22,399 --> 00:05:25,360 you're producing the show, right and they're like, Okay, they're 105 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,319 shutting this venue down in an hour, so we have 106 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:30,439 to leave, so we have to You can't do these 107 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,759 three pages of dialogue. What are you gonna do? And 108 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,680 that's what you have to do and everybody would freak 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,560 out and I'd say, you take out your computer and 110 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,839 you do this just like Garcia does and it's all fixed. 111 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,319 They would get all screwed through the roof. But we 112 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:47,600 we were actually in the real world where people were 113 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:51,360 actually dying, so this these kind of problems were fixable, 114 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:53,879 and but you had to do things. And we would 115 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:57,160 always like Paget, we could just give her and we 116 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,319 could give read Matthew Goobler the most difficult lines. We'd 117 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:04,240 have to give them the lines from three other people 118 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,959 because we had to cut them out of scenes because 119 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,160 we had to finish it in two minutes, not twelve. 120 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,279 So anyway, the point is one of the main reasons 121 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:13,639 why this show has been on so long is because 122 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,279 all of the actors that have been on and have 123 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:20,079 stayed on, they're all of them are amazing actors, and 124 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,279 they really are dedicated to their craft. 125 00:06:22,879 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 8: I wanted to say something about Yes because and I 126 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,959 do hardly agree with Jim that the reason you see 127 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,759 a lot of things on TV that you've seen before 128 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:33,199 is because when a person at twenty four years old 129 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:35,879 graduates with MFA and goes right to Hollywood and starts 130 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:38,000 writing in a Hollywood room. They don't have a lot 131 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,600 of life experiences. So if they're writing on something that 132 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,720 they've never experienced, they're going to recall something that they've 133 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,079 seen before in either a movie or TV show or whatever. 134 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,920 And so that's why you have That's how tropes develop, 135 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:50,639 ISZB again. 136 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:51,639 Speaker 9: But I did. 137 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 8: I will say I was guilty in Ghost of. 138 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 9: Putting a scene in there that I had seen before. 139 00:06:57,399 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 8: And it was only because my dad was NYPD, my 140 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,079 brother NYPD and The French Connection was a seminal movie 141 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,360 in my life in the early seventies. 142 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 5: Many of our lives, many of our lives, and I. 143 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 8: Think we just passed like the fiftieth anniversary on that 144 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,680 thing recently a couple of years ago, and Billy Friedkin 145 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:13,680 and Gene Hackman and they, you know, that movie was 146 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,959 one of the best ever. I think I've seen that 147 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,360 movie thousands of times. And there's a scene in there 148 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:21,480 with a famous bar scene in there where Gene Hackman 149 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,000 walks into the bar and he goes under the bar, 150 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,079 and you know where everybody used the bubblegump to put 151 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:28,120 the heroin a little because he knew the cops are 152 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,680 in there, and he just knew exactly where, and he 153 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:31,959 just put it all into it's a shaker with a 154 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:33,639 bunch of beer or stuff and just and then he 155 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,839 takes a guy and he throws him into the bathroom 156 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:38,040 and he hits him and they gets him in the bathroom, 157 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:41,399 but the guy is actually his informant. He needs that 158 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:43,879 space in the bathroom to be able to exchange a 159 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,040 few words. And then he says, okay, it's this guy, 160 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,879 a sack guy. This guy's holding to that guy and 161 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,560 he's okay. And then he said, okay, where do you 162 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,639 want it? He goes, he goes in the stomach. It's 163 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,279 gonna hurt or in the face, it's going to show. 164 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:55,000 And so he hits him in the face that. 165 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:57,759 Speaker 9: He out out there. Yeah you can't, you don't know, no, So. 166 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,279 Speaker 8: The guy has to hurt that And so we I 167 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:02,839 recreated that scene and ghost and Jim's at the bar. 168 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,439 Speaker 9: I'm behind the bar bartending. 169 00:08:04,639 --> 00:08:07,879 Speaker 8: Joe Montagne is placed to Gene Hackman character and throws 170 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,040 the undercover into the bathroom. I think Pageant's outside in 171 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:13,560 the bar keeping everybody at bay. And they have that 172 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,680 little exchange in the bathroom and then he throws them 173 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,319 back out. But that was an homage to that scene 174 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,680 in The French Connection. I'm not sure how many people 175 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:23,079 picked up on that or could see that, but if 176 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,360 you're a French Connection fan, you might have that might 177 00:08:25,399 --> 00:08:26,720 have stirred a little bit of a memory. 178 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great, Bobby, and it was great to 179 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:33,639 be able to act in that scene with you. And 180 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,480 there was a little I think there was one moment 181 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,600 when I look over my shoulder in the scene when 182 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:39,840 you're a bartender right in front of me, and I'm 183 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:42,679 trying to be a little subtle. But the fact is 184 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,279 I tried to be in every episode that I wrote 185 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,720 as an homage to Alfred Hitchcock, because it's. 186 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 9: Just gonna say. 187 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's one episode where I think it was a 188 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,159 Good Husband where I hadn't figured out where I was 189 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:58,919 going to be in it yet, and then they were 190 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,360 doing they were resuscitating a guy, EMTs were resuscitating a guy. 191 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,519 So I said, oh, okay, great, all right, so do 192 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:09,720 that and on the close up I took the actor 193 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:14,200 out and it was my hand doing that. For example, 194 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:18,039 in Lifeboat, Alfred Hitchcock had to be creative because he 195 00:09:18,159 --> 00:09:22,320 was in every movie he made, right, but in lifeboat. 196 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,840 There was only the six people or eight people that 197 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:28,039 were in this lifeboat, and that's it. Those the entire 198 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,399 that's the entire cast. So on that when the debris 199 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,720 from the ship was floating by, there was a newspaper 200 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,960 and it was the front page was a picture of 201 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:44,519 Alfred Hitchcock. He gently in the waves, and that's how 202 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,600 he did it. So that's what I tried to do, 203 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:49,519 is make sure there's some way that I could sneak 204 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:50,399 into everyone. 205 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: That also I think, oh really, yeah, it's a cool 206 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,960 thing to do, and there's so fun when I studied 207 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,039 Hitchcock undergrad to watch the film and wait for that 208 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:04,039 moment when typically he'll show up, only for a few seconds. 209 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,639 I remember one he got off the bus and he 210 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:09,840 looked directly at the camera briefly and then continued on 211 00:10:09,919 --> 00:10:12,399 his way. But people got a big kick out of it. 212 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,440 I love the fact that you're doing the same thing. 213 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,879 Speaker 5: Yeah. I did that. Yeah, in every episode I was in, 214 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,879 I had written and sometimes it's a little lobbyous and 215 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:23,919 sometimes it's very. 216 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 9: Do you have the truck driver picture? It was. 217 00:10:27,399 --> 00:10:30,159 Speaker 5: It was a van driver, Yes, it was. It was 218 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,320 in Gabby right, Okay, Yeah, it. 219 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,039 Speaker 6: Was Gabby for the benefit of our listeners. Oh gosh, 220 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,919 it was so hard to be me last night. I 221 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:38,919 had to come home from work and watch Criminal Minds 222 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:39,519 for hours. 223 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:40,799 Speaker 3: I knew I was going to. 224 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 6: Be talking with these guys, and I wanted to watch 225 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:45,000 the episodes that each of them were interested in in 226 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:47,039 talking about. So I had watched the one I'm going 227 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,879 to talk to fits about in a second amplification, and 228 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:52,360 I moved on to Gabby, which I'd only ever seen once, 229 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:54,399 and I knew the gym had written it. So I'm 230 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:59,320 like a wonder when Jim's gonna show up exactly The 231 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:04,240 camera turns and pans over and there's Jim, dressed as 232 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,559 the most redneck sleezbag of the century looking guy. 233 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 5: I don't know what you're talking about. 234 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 7: He made Tim Curry look like a runway model. 235 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know that I would have recognized you 236 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:16,919 if you didn't send. 237 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,399 Speaker 8: If I was just watching that episode and a flashby, 238 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:21,440 I'm not sure I would. 239 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 9: Have recognized you. 240 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 5: Let me tell you how it happened. Okay, we are 241 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:27,919 I wrote the episode right, and I believe I wrote 242 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:31,320 it with Erica, and we're done with casting and we 243 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:36,440 got notes back from the studio. They're saying, look, we 244 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,279 really want to just delay the capture just a little bit, 245 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,240 So can we come up with a boyfriend of the 246 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:47,519 offender and we go to his house first and then 247 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,519 we go to her house. That's what they wanted to do, Like, yeah, sure, 248 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,399 we could do that. And then they're like, oh man, 249 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,159 we have to reopen casting. And I said I'll do it. 250 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: Uh huh. 251 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 5: And I remember Erica looking at me like are you 252 00:11:59,399 --> 00:12:01,519 out of your mind? And I said, no, who's gonna 253 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:04,279 believe I'm actually you know that an FBI agent is 254 00:12:04,279 --> 00:12:07,159 actually going to play a child abductor. Come on, It's 255 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:10,600 a perfect opportunity for me. And so we just so 256 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:12,320 we didn't have to cast it. I just did it. 257 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,320 And literally I grew out my scraggly beard and obviously 258 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:18,360 they fitted me for a wig, and they did the 259 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,679 same thing with my teeth. Oh my god, like they 260 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,960 made some of them black so you couldn't see them, 261 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,200 and some of them like yellow, crusty like crap. And 262 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,679 then we took some pictures and then the actual scene 263 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,559 was me. I think there were two scenes. One was 264 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,519 me driving drinking a beer while. 265 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:40,759 Speaker 2: Yes, driving the beard, driving and drinking a beer and 266 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:42,320 then drinking. 267 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,159 Speaker 5: We had kids in the back of the van. And 268 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,559 then another scene where you know, obviously I was at 269 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,519 my place whatever, and Joe comes in and arrests me, 270 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,840 throws me around a little bit, and and I think 271 00:12:53,879 --> 00:12:56,759 I had it. I actually had a trake tube sticking 272 00:12:56,759 --> 00:12:58,840 out of my throat and I think I was smoking 273 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:02,759 in that as well. No, really, the character. 274 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,919 Speaker 9: You were the inspiration for Joe Dirt. 275 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:12,639 Speaker 5: I think, yeah, wow, Joe Dirt is But it was acting. 276 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:16,320 It was all acting. It was acting. Yeah. Well, one 277 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,679 of the best things was they had to do some 278 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,039 photographs my jacket, my criminal my criminal record. So I 279 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,480 had to do some pictures, mugshots, and I remember Thomas 280 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:31,080 Gibson directed that. So he's directing me how I should be, 281 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,200 and he goes, can you give me like a real 282 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,399 dead look? And I was like, okay, and I just 283 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,240 did like that in the camera and he's a perfect 284 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:43,679 that's great, looking like this scumback with mostly just rotted 285 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,519 away teeth and nastiness all over the place. But anyway, 286 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,080 that was a lot of fun doing that. It also 287 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,080 was a learning point because these guys, these killers, One 288 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,639 of the things I asked them, ed Baranaro, when I 289 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:59,519 first got involved, was look, I will do this show. 290 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,799 I will be a consultant for free for you as 291 00:14:02,799 --> 00:14:05,600 long as you help us do a job. Don't hurt us. 292 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,519 And two things he said, how And I said two things. 293 00:14:08,519 --> 00:14:11,240 One is, don't show that the FBI comes in and 294 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,919 steals cases from locals. We have to work with the locals. 295 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,080 We want to help them and then fade away into 296 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:18,919 the night and let them get all the glory. That's 297 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,159 what we want to do. Okay, great, what's the other thing? 298 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,480 I want you to show that these killers are not 299 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,399 all these monster predators. They're not the people that you 300 00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:32,039 think wear cereal colored glasses and lurk behind the trees 301 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:33,960 in the park and do all those kinds of things 302 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,519 or in their mother's basements. Yes, there are those kinds 303 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:39,039 of people, but the vast majority of them are people 304 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,240 who look like anybody else. And I think it's really 305 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:44,440 important for people to understand that the threat is not 306 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:47,600 just from people who look differently or act differently. The 307 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:51,519 threat can be from people who look and act exactly 308 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:53,519 like you do, and that's how they get close to you. 309 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:55,960 So that was one of the things that I really 310 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,200 wanted to make sure that the show did, and they did. 311 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,159 I believe they did it very well. 312 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 6: That's a good segue into the episode that I want 313 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:07,960 to ask about next, which is going to give me nightmares. 314 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,720 Thanks for making me watch it, Fits, I appreciate it. 315 00:15:10,799 --> 00:15:12,399 Speaker 3: Fitz. You wanted to talk about. 316 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 6: The episode Amplification from season three, which deals with anthrax, 317 00:15:17,559 --> 00:15:19,919 which I know that you guys were active duty during 318 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,399 the Anthrax scares and I find it absolutely terrifying. And 319 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:28,799 I hated watching that episode because anthrax scares me. Why 320 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:32,759 was that episode particularly important to you, Fitz? Why did 321 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,399 you feel like it was worth draumatizing on TV? 322 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 323 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:38,159 Speaker 7: It was definitely life meeting art. But I don't want 324 00:15:38,159 --> 00:15:41,159 to leave Gabby yet because I'll never forget receiving. 325 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:41,519 Speaker 9: A POOCOM call. 326 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:44,799 Speaker 7: I'm back East. Jim's out in the set in La Fitz. 327 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,440 We have a Criminal Minds emergency. I said, oh great, 328 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:51,440 what this time I need? I need your linguistic help 329 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,840 on something. Here's my episode And Garcia is looking at 330 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,679 the computer. There's this note written, these words on the wall. 331 00:15:57,679 --> 00:15:59,799 I forget exactly what they were, and I said, we 332 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,679 need some word that we know the killer wrote, but 333 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,240 then we can find it in some database somewhere. Garcia 334 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,919 is going to search all these old libraries whatever. So 335 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,799 I sit and think a little bit. Said, I got 336 00:16:09,799 --> 00:16:10,240 one for you. 337 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:10,679 Speaker 9: What's that? 338 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,159 Speaker 7: I said, light bug? No, I need a real word 339 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,519 something you wrote it, I said, Jim, light bug? And 340 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:19,840 what does it even mean? So I told him about 341 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,679 an Alabama case where a guy killed his wife and 342 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:25,000 he was a suspect of the cops couldn't arrest them, 343 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,879 and they his buddy wore a wire and the guy 344 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,759 pointed to a light bulb that was out flashing in 345 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,960 top of a bar. He's looked at that stupid light 346 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,519 light bug, it's not working. But he also wrote a 347 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,840 fake note to the cops claiming someone else killed his wife, 348 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,200 and he seld the same. 349 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 9: Word light bug. 350 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 7: So it was a real case in which that linguistic 351 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:46,639 analysis I did a whole lot of work around that 352 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:49,480 case helped save the case. The guy pleaded guilty twenty 353 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:52,159 years for murdering his wife. So I gave that to Jim, 354 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:55,320 and they in fact use it in the episode Gabby, 355 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:57,240 And absolutely that's right. 356 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 5: I'll just correct one thing I don't think I screamed that, lud, 357 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,480 I really do. I think I was much more calm 358 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:06,920 than you portrayed. But thank you for yeah. And you're 359 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,079 known for your calmness, Jimmy, Yeah, and and my acting. 360 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: Obviously the best make the best sleeves in the business. 361 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,519 Speaker 7: And jim we should put a picture up of you 362 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,119 in your undercover role on skid Row in the Lower 363 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,359 Manhattan that was your first two years. Had we take 364 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:29,839 the pictures driving by? 365 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,799 Speaker 5: That's right? I wondered who took that picture? There you go. 366 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 7: Now I know there was your audition in real life. 367 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 5: I'll find it. But you I think you were supposed 368 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,279 to answer a question about and attacks. 369 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,799 Speaker 7: The very quick story version of that is in the 370 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:48,200 real Antracts case, the FBI persecuted a guy named Steven 371 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,039 Hatfil and we profidders are looking at all the facts 372 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:54,000 in that case, all the evidence, and we said, it's 373 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:56,759 not him, it's not him, it's someone else. But there 374 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:59,839 was this task force with horse blinders on and out 375 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:02,440 of headquarters. I tried to get on the task force 376 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,720 after success on Unibomb and some other cases. It fits. 377 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,359 So we don't have room for you right now. Maybe 378 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,880 some other time they wouldn't let me on, and they 379 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,759 kept thinking it was this guy, Stephen Hatfil. We finally 380 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:15,440 went up to FBI headquarters my other time ever, meeting 381 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,880 Director Muller and I was in a room with him, 382 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,480 and I was there with two other profilers, and we said, 383 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:23,160 I understand, you guys are really focused on Steven Hatfil. 384 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:25,960 He's a microbiologist. I get it. He's not your guy. 385 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,359 We're looking at someone else like him, probably the work 386 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,480 in the labs. Yeah, okay, Fitzgerald, what's your name? Yeah? 387 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,119 I actually corrected the director about something he said. Afterwards, 388 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,039 someone pulled me aside and say, I love that. 389 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, he just corrected the. 390 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 7: FBI director in public. I said, no, we're not in public. 391 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,880 We're in a room with ten of us. Good luck 392 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,160 with your career, Fitzgerald. 393 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 5: Wow. 394 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 7: I was fine. Afterwards, they finally broke up that task 395 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,000 force because they were after the wrong guy. Then three 396 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:55,880 years later, Bruce Ivans was identified. Just as I was 397 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,559 retiring the agent. The new task force got together. I 398 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,720 helped them put some leads together and he was eventually identified, 399 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,839 but he killed himself. 400 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: Okay, you're listening to mind over Murder. We'll be right 401 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:12,599 back after this word from our sponsors. We're back here 402 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:14,119 at Mindover Murder. 403 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 7: Season three, Criminal Minds Amplification. Everyone knows the formula for 404 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:21,920 the TV show. The first segment is some kind of 405 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,759 crime is happening. People are missing, people are killed. In 406 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:27,680 this particular case, there's a flurry of white stuff flying 407 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,920 through the air. It's invisible, but you can see it. 408 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:32,319 People passing out, and I think that was the episode 409 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,880 read was actually infected, if I recall. And he's in 410 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,799 the hospital bed and everyone's upset. So now we're beginning 411 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,839 the first act, and it's almost always the team at 412 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,240 the headquarters at their office. They get on their jet, 413 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,400 which is actually a big wooden box, but they get 414 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,240 on the private jet. 415 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,759 Speaker 5: Let's not ruin the whole thing. 416 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,039 Speaker 7: I'm reading the script. I'm reading the script, and the 417 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,039 the agents all walk in the room. Do an army 418 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:06,720 army CID office. They're now running the antrac's investigation. And 419 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,839 as soon as the agents walk in the room, they're 420 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:11,480 all there, Oh, hey, great, the FBI here, come on over, guys, 421 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:13,200 let's have a let's get together and. 422 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 5: Work this case. 423 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 7: So I'm talking to the writer after all these years, Jim, 424 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,440 I forget who it is. But I said, no, we 425 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:20,799 got to change that because of all the politics, all 426 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,480 the bs that happened in that case. I said, here's 427 00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:25,599 what I would like to suggest. I'm just a technical 428 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:28,039 advisor and all I can do is advise these guys 429 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:31,039 make the decisions, the writers. I said, have the team 430 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,839 walk in, and the smart ass sort of colonel running 431 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:40,000 the CID investigation Army investigation said everybody, hey, boss, the. 432 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,599 Speaker 9: FBI is here. 433 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 7: Ah and and I said, here, change it to this. 434 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:47,079 Oh yeah, you FBI did a great job in the 435 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,400 last case, didn't you. And that's when Hotch looks right 436 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,440 at the colonel and the cameras. He's looking right into 437 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,480 the camera now. He said, no, the profilers had it right. 438 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,799 Oh okay, okay, and then the rest of case files 439 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:04,319 out in his formulatic fashion, with Reid finally recovering. I 440 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,279 was so proud. I'm not a writer. I wasn't given 441 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,680 writer's credit. I didn't need it. But I was so 442 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:12,440 proud to have them reflect real life that some profile, 443 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:15,480 some FBI agents did screw up that case and they 444 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:17,640 wanted to put us in that under that umbrella. When 445 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,680 we walk in the door, our characters, and I said no, 446 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,279 and Hodge said no, the profilers had it right. Okay, yeah, 447 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:25,680 come one in And eventually in the TV show, we 448 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:26,440 got it right too. 449 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:29,279 Speaker 3: Fits. Didn't you ever want to do a cameo? Oh 450 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:31,680 my gosh, look at this skid row. 451 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's me, there's my buddies on the street. 452 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,519 Speaker 7: Director of photography Fitzgerald. Were those other guys real? 453 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 9: Bump? Yeah? 454 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 5: They were real? 455 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 9: Yeah? 456 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 7: Yeah. 457 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 8: Because I can't tell between them and you, I can't 458 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,519 even tell the difference. 459 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,839 Speaker 5: I borrowed my friend who was a roofer. I borrowed 460 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:50,079 his clothes, his jeans and his T shirt. They were 461 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,079 all covered in tar. And anyway, Yeah, we had a 462 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,440 bank robber who escaped from Boston from prison in Boston, 463 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:59,640 and we knew his girlfriend went to a methadone clinic. 464 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:01,960 I was right next to where I was sitting there, 465 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,400 and sure enough he walks up with her. I follow 466 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,079 him down to the subway, jump the turnstile, and get 467 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,359 screamed at by the guy in the booth, and pay 468 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,640 you fair and then we get on the train and 469 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,960 the next stop, six agents come in and rest them, 470 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,680 and I had to go take the train back. And 471 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,039 then When I walked out, the same guy was like, 472 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,039 I know you, and I put my credentials on the ground. 473 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,839 He was like, yeah, those are the fun parts of 474 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,920 being an FBI agent. 475 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 3: Fitz, did you ever win a cameo like these guys did? 476 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 7: Really, I didn't really care about that. But in Manhunt 477 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:39,480 un Obomber, which a Jim of course was a co 478 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,279 creator of that, I was supposed to fly down to 479 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:44,359 Atlanta where they were shooting, and I think it was 480 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,480 April of twenty seventeen, and I was going to have 481 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:50,200 a cameo like behind a bar or something like it's 482 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,319 funny how you can be at a bartender, and that 483 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,200 seems to be a lot of cameos of our IRL people. 484 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,960 There was a bad storm we had to miss our flights, 485 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,519 and we went back a month later and scene was 486 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:02,400 shot and there's no way I got in there. So 487 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,680 no cameo of me on either Criminal Minds or Manhunting 488 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,920 the Bomber, And I'm quite frankly, I'm just as happy. 489 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 5: To that whereas Bobby guys. 490 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,599 Speaker 2: Whereas Bobby makes a great bartender. 491 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 7: Yeah he does. 492 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:16,279 Speaker 8: And I actually played a Russian cop in The Beyond Borders. 493 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:19,559 I lead our team to the house right behind. 494 00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:20,759 Speaker 5: That's awesome. 495 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 9: I got blown up. 496 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:25,039 Speaker 8: They actually they put all that goop on me because 497 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:26,599 I got to do a stunt that day. 498 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,759 Speaker 9: They set me on fire. It was actually quite glad. 499 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,599 Speaker 5: Doesn't sound like fun. No, I'd rather be a bartender 500 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,240 in a biker bar. 501 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 9: Sorry. 502 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,279 Speaker 6: So there was a line in that episode that's going 503 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,559 to fester for me for a while there, and it 504 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,000 was ROSSI is talking to Apprentice and he said, do 505 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:46,319 you think the public would feel safer if they knew 506 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,680 how many attacks the FBI had prevented since nine to eleven. 507 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:51,799 Speaker 3: That's going to fester for a while. 508 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,799 Speaker 6: So I'm curious for all three of you guys, would 509 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,720 you characterize the FBI as being more in the business 510 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:01,920 of preventing crime or more in the business of solving crime? 511 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 3: And has that changed since nine to eleven? 512 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:05,519 Speaker 2: Wow? 513 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 7: Nine eleven changed it. 514 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, nine leven definitely changed it. Yeah, we actively proactive, Yeah, 515 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:12,559 very definitely, very much. 516 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, But for nine to eleven it was there, but 517 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:16,359 it wasn't certainly a priority. 518 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 9: It wasn't ever near the top of the priority. Then 519 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,640 it became a top priority. 520 00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, Yeah, if you look at certain types of crime. 521 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,279 They're certainly not trying to interdict and prevent white collar crime, 522 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,440 for example, and they didn't do anything like that, but 523 00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,200 counter terrorism and counter narcotics, I think they've been there 524 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,200 for a long time. And of course in crimes against children, 525 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,559 we do a lot of the big stings that we 526 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,160 do or to try to gather up undercover operations, and. 527 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,279 Speaker 8: Yeah, certain crimes I think I'm friends of mine now 528 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,640 are experts in school shootings in the Bureau and they 529 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,839 do a lot of training with schools and try to 530 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,559 do that kind of stuff, And so I think there's 531 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,160 much more of an anticipatory nature to it and trying 532 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,000 to figure out, like you said, prevention, but that was 533 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,079 never a role we did and we just didn't have 534 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,640 that mindset before. We were like, come in, what are the 535 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,119 facts and follow the evidence where it goes, and much 536 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,920 much more now and in the future. 537 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, they should add and pe at the end of 538 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,119 FBI for and prevention. Yeah, that would that's. 539 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 9: The hard one. 540 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 8: And like what usually said that quote from that thing 541 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,400 is there's a double edged sword to you want to 542 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,359 especially when our executives go to the hill and then 543 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,920 need funding or want to have an increase in our budget. 544 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,960 You want to show them the successes you have, particular 545 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,440 on the counter terrorist emissions, but at the same time, 546 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:35,759 you don't let a lot of that out because part 547 00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:39,720 of the terrorist mission, their objectives don't always have to 548 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,759 be met by the successful operation, just people knowing oh 549 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:47,200 my god. For example, suppose tomorrow the fa announced we 550 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,200 interdicted twelve cells that were going to major shopping malls 551 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,200 around the country that were going to hit on Black Friday. 552 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 9: They were going to set off there. Oh, what's so great? 553 00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,640 What would that do the economy? People would panic and. 554 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: Not go out on Black Friday. 555 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 8: Now that would shops online anyway, but the retail business 556 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,200 is already on its heels. And if we I'm not 557 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,240 saying it happened, but if it did happen and we 558 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,039 it publicized it, it would achieve a certain measure of 559 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,599 the terrorists objectives, which is an economic damage and economic 560 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,160 harm that would come from everybody going, oh my god, 561 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,519 I can't go out because the FBI was successful. I'm 562 00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,519 stopping these twelve coordinator attacks. But what about some people 563 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:27,200 got through. So you want to show your successes even 564 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:27,720 to the public. 565 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 9: You want to they're getting their. 566 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,799 Speaker 8: Money's worth, their text dollars work, But at the same 567 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,319 time you have to be wary of the fact that 568 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,279 what that information will be when the public is the same 569 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,720 thing with serial killers. There's a point time in the 570 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,599 serial killer investigation where you want to catch the guy 571 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,319 before you have to tell the public he's out there, because. 572 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 9: It's going to it's going to create a panic in 573 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,359 the public. 574 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 8: Jim lived through live both of us lived through the 575 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,599 DC sniper case and the panic that ensued that you 576 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,400 had curtains on every gas station because people afraid to 577 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,480 fill their cars with gas. The panic that that whole 578 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:01,880 Tri State area went through during the d C cnipertext 579 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,799 is a result of the fact that we're putting that 580 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:08,440 out there. These people are getting killed, there's a serial 581 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:10,920 killer or whatever, and so you really want to kind 582 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,799 of balance that. Sometimes you need to tell the public 583 00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:16,759 for their own safety, and that's the kind that's the rub. 584 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 7: And Bobby, I think you and I have had some 585 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,880 discussions some of these killings, and they come from all 586 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,680 different walks of life. But these people leave manifestos, sometimes 587 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,400 are to be published, sometimes they're not to be published. 588 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,160 And I know you and I have been on different 589 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,160 news shows and saying except for some very critical signatory 590 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,799 type information, get that stuff out there. And in a way, 591 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,839 that's a proactive method to in fact, let people know 592 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,400 what some people are thinking before they do these killings. 593 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,680 So that's one way the FBI can look at it. 594 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,279 And I know over the last few years or so, 595 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,720 the FBI doesn't always think the same way as some 596 00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,920 other people do. So that's one proactive versus reactive way. Hey, 597 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,440 here's the kind of manifestos these people are writing. This 598 00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,079 is what to look for if it's your son, your neighbor, student, 599 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,400 and keep that in and that's how we can prevent 600 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,519 these things from happening in the future. 601 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 9: And that's a good point. 602 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,079 Speaker 8: That's the follow on is if you're a parent and 603 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,480 writings like this, or if you're a teacher or a 604 00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,599 counselor or a therapist and you see this kind of stuff, 605 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:14,920 this is what it could lead to. So that's why 606 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,480 you don't want to publish it for salacious reasons and 607 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:20,000 things like that, but you want to publicize it so 608 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,200 that the it gets into the right people's hands. That 609 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,160 could take a step towards preventing the next one. 610 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: I think I'm hearing the germination of a great script idea. 611 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,559 Speaker 7: Who can play a subamb that's Jim Flemente you. 612 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,799 Speaker 2: If we need it, and Bobby wants to be the barender. 613 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,519 Speaker 5: Just don't cut me off, Bobby, don't cut me off. 614 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 9: Yeah no, you'll set me on fire. 615 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,599 Speaker 6: And with the question what is what would you say 616 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,119 is the value of procedurals like Criminal Minds? What do 617 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,000 you want viewers to take away from it at the 618 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,799 end of the day, Because it's not just good looking 619 00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:01,119 people solving crimes. There has to be more to it 620 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,920 than that. And Jim you touched on that early on 621 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,119 when you said there are teaching points anchored in every episode. Absolutely, 622 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,279 so what ultimately do you want people to get out 623 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:11,200 of Criminal Minds? 624 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,519 Speaker 5: Unlike many other procedurals out there, we have maintained the 625 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:21,640 integrity of what the investigators do, what it means to 626 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,519 be an FBI agent, what it means to be law 627 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:28,839 enforcement officers. And we have also used all of our experience, 628 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,880 the three guys you're talking to now and our colleagues 629 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,640 to basically infuse these episodes with real teaching points. And 630 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,839 I think that's the reason why I did it. The 631 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,119 first episode. The very first scene I ever wrote for 632 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,799 Criminal Minds was when doctor Reed is telling the statistics 633 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:49,119 of child abduction homicides. As he's talking, he walks into 634 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,839 we call it read vision. He walks into a green screen, 635 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,240 but he's actually in a studio, but it looks like 636 00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:57,880 he just walked out onto a playground. And he says, 637 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:00,160 of the kids who were abducted and killed, forty four 638 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,039 percent are killed in the first hour. And these ten 639 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,680 kids that are playing around is playing ground, half of 640 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,359 them disappear. 641 00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:06,039 Speaker 2: Wow. 642 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 5: And then he says, seventy three percent in the first 643 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200 three hours, and now three quarters of them are gone. 644 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,960 And then he says, and ninety nine percent in the 645 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:16,319 first twenty four hours. And there's one girl left swinging 646 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,119 on the swing, and then she disappears, and the swing 647 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,240 swings epty, and the hair on the back of my 648 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,880 neck stood up, and I realized just then, in at 649 00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,559 ninety seconds, that image went out to something like eighteen 650 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,680 or nineteen million people, and by the time it goes 651 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,319 through syndication, it's one hundred and sixty two million people. 652 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,240 And they all now understand that on child abducts and cases, 653 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,759 you have to act immediately, there's wait twenty four hours 654 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,079 and then we'll figure it out. No, you can't do that. 655 00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:47,279 And just the fact that I could get that message 656 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,759 out in a minute and a half to over one 657 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,640 hundred million people, I realized, Oh, this is what I 658 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,599 need to do. This is what I need to do 659 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,759 after the FBI, and it will be an opportunity for 660 00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,839 me to teach people all around the world some things 661 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,799 that Bobby and Fitz and I were privileged to learn 662 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,599 as part of the FBI. 663 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,079 Speaker 6: It's what's something that you want people to take away 664 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,079 from your episodes of Criminal Minds? 665 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: What's the best teaching point for you? 666 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, anytime I would talk to the writers, I would 667 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,799 just keep it pretty simple and there's only so much 668 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,200 advice I could give, of course, But any show that 669 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,200 I would work on or certainly enjoy watching, I like 670 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,200 the humanity of the officers being present. They're not perfect, 671 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,039 they're not superheroes. You can watch other X Men and 672 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,240 those if you want that kind of stuff. But they 673 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,759 have families, and if they make a mistake on the job, 674 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:37,759 it doesn't mean they're one. 675 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:38,279 Speaker 5: Of the ists. 676 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 7: They're an evil people trying to overthrow government or someone else. 677 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:45,240 There can be mistakes made, but they are still good people. 678 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,759 So just show with humanity. That's what I always tried 679 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,319 to instill in the writers. I would suggest and remember 680 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,000 again one of my earlier scenes was advising one of 681 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,640 the writers. It was for I think forty two minutes 682 00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,599 was the time for an episode. Adjectives how to be 683 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,599 taken out and adverbs sometimes to make a scene fit. 684 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,000 And they had a one scene and one of the 685 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,200 writers fits. I had this police officer was killed and 686 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,759 he and the chief wants to tell his officers and 687 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,640 watch and read are going to be in the room 688 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,759 with them. But I, it's going to take so much time. 689 00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:17,759 Cauld I cut down this dialogue. So it was an 690 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:20,559 emotional scene to begin with, and I was glad in 691 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,240 a way that was in there, because officers do get killed, 692 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,400 agents do get killed. But I said, you could probably 693 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,799 save a lot of dialogue. Are you familiar with the 694 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,839 little black bands that officers wear on their badges when 695 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,960 one of their colleagues has been killed? No, what are 696 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,319 you talking about? Said, When a police officer is killed, 697 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,640 his colleagues, as are her colleagues, will wear a black 698 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,440 band over their badge. For thirty days. That's showing respect 699 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:46,200 and commemoration and memorial to them. He's there, fits. You 700 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,279 just saved me eighty seconds of dialogue. Thank you so 701 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680 much for that. But it was also a moving moment 702 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,039 when the achieve and I watched the episode when he's 703 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,599 handing out these little black bands to put around the 704 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,599 officers badges because they lost one of their colleagues, one 705 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,119 of their friends. So that's why I wanted to instill 706 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,119 a lot of fun stuff car chases, shootouts, but officers 707 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:08,480 and agents do get killed, and every once in a 708 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,160 while that has to be shown. And they are family people, 709 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,799 their fathers and mothers and sons and daughters and all 710 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:14,480 that kind of stuff. 711 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: Bobby, how about you take us home? 712 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, it's hard in a all echo what 713 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,079 Fitz said, because that's my thing too, is that, And 714 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,640 I think that Criminal Minds did this so well, and 715 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960 certainly long before I got there, is that that's a 716 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,880 squad becomes a family and really people's home lives and 717 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,359 their kids and the problems they haven't. I still am 718 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,000 in touch with the two or three of the ages 719 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,240 that I work gangs with closely, and that was in 720 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,000 nineteen ninety we're talking about thirty five years ago, and 721 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,720 we still text each other on certain days and holidays 722 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:47,759 or birthdays or whatever. And so that's why I like 723 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,559 at the end of Ghosts, Adam and Daniel have that 724 00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,319 moment on the jet where they did decompressing and their 725 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,359 stuff and they're like they saved each other's lives and 726 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,680 Joe came in with a crackshot and stuff. But it's 727 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,680 always and we do the same thing in the Voters 728 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,960 with the with the procedural show is you need to 729 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,440 be on the air a long time because, like it's said, 730 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,640 forty two forty three minutes all you got, and so 731 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,079 you've got to drive the story. You don't have a 732 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,920 lot of time for the characters backstories and stuff. But 733 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,280 if you're successful and you're on a number of years, 734 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,639 you get that luxury of having that more time. And 735 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,519 Criminal Minds, I think did that there's a family when 736 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,119 at Lea's leaving, like when she's maybe leaving it to 737 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,360 go out west or whatever, they feel it it's going 738 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,719 to be like losing a family member. 739 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,159 Speaker 9: And that's true to life. 740 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 8: That stuff you when you work with somebody for any 741 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,039 length of time under those intense environments in those intense 742 00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:34,480 situations where you could lose. 743 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 9: Your own life. 744 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:38,199 Speaker 8: That's a bond that doesn't go away and stuff, And 745 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:40,239 so I would always like that. Criminal Minds is no 746 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,239 longer procedural, by the way, now it's a serialized show, 747 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,719 right serialized, which means one case over. It's more of 748 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,519 a serialized show on streaming than it was. But in 749 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,039 a procedural world, it's really tough to do that, and 750 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,559 you have to be on a number of years to 751 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,280 do that. But I'm glad that they were able to 752 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,320 do that, and you see the personal relationships and then 753 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,679 you can actually bring that back into the investigations and 754 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,519 into the story when you have those personal relationships. But 755 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:04,239 that's what that I was glad that Criminal Minds was 756 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,360 able to do, and some of the other serializers that 757 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,599 are on the air for a long enough time can 758 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,119 do that, can show because we are a family. I 759 00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:14,079 know it probably sounds cliche, but it's that it's going 760 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:15,960 through the door. And they say that these guys said 761 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,119 kick doseban like the people I kicked doors in with 762 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,239 against the Jamaican gangs and the ladies early nineties in Brooklyn. 763 00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,840 We still know each other. You can't you know, you 764 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,639 can't erase that from your emotional memory. And so yeah, 765 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,079 I'm just glad that the show, like Grimlines, was able 766 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:29,559 to show. 767 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 6: That Criminal Minds is twenty this year, and Jim Clementy, 768 00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:35,880 there is another season coming up? 769 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: Is that right? 770 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 5: Actually, no, they haven't approved it yet. 771 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 3: Haven't approved it yet. Okay, No, we can wrap. 772 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,519 Speaker 5: We just wrapped season nineteen and that would be on 773 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,679 air soon. I would think we will find out probably 774 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,679 in the first couple of months of twenty twenty six. 775 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,639 Speaker 8: Unfortunate, it's a brutal business where you don't get much 776 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,960 multi season approvals anymore. 777 00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 9: Used to know, you have two or three. 778 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 8: Seasons and you knew you were good, and then it 779 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,000 was like, I can give you example and the last season. 780 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:07,800 So Jim and I wrote fourteen twenty one, Season fourteen, 781 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,679 episode twenty one. But really season fourteen was only supposed 782 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:13,920 to be fifteen episodes, so starting season sixteen, it was 783 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,400 supposed to be starting with episode sixteen, it was supposed 784 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,760 to be season fifteen, but they said, we're going to 785 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,599 give you ten more episodes because we were on the 786 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,199 bubble and whether we were going to get canceled or not, 787 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,199 so we were like, so now it goes up to 788 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,920 fourteen twenty five, is the end of the CBS run? 789 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:30,840 But it was those last ten episodes should have been 790 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,079 really rightfully, season fifteen, but if it was season fifteen, 791 00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,599 contractually everybody would get raised and every. 792 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 5: Rule it's about economics. 793 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,559 Speaker 9: Yeah, so instead of. 794 00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 8: Season fourteen being fifteen episodes and season fifteen to ten, 795 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:51,199 season fourteen became twenty five like previous episodes were anyway, 796 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,760 previous seasons were anyway. But yeah, so we had fourteen 797 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,599 twenty one, which should have been fifteen oh six. 798 00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 9: But it was, but technically it was. 799 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm confused, you're not, that's sure, guys. 800 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,159 Speaker 6: It's it's been an honor and a pleasure to have 801 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,199 you with us as always. 802 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for so much for having us. 803 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you keep watching Minds. 804 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,599 Speaker 9: Season nineteen hasn't debuted yet. 805 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,679 Speaker 5: Right, No, it hasn't, but we're wrapped. 806 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 8: Yeah, so can you tell us any secrets any can 807 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,519 you let us know? 808 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the four hundred million people who are listening. 809 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 9: If you did believe me, it would spread. 810 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 5: Oh, as you know, it's a second all right, Thank 811 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,760 you so much for having us. Thank you, Thank you, 812 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:51,480 Bobby and christ take care. Thank you everybody. 813 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next time. 814 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,119 Speaker 1: Mind Over Murder is a production of Absolute Zero and 815 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,679 Another Dog Productions. 816 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,559 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley. 817 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: Our logo art is by Pamela Arnois. 818 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: Our theme music is by Kevin McLoud. 819 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: Mind Over Murder is distributed in partnership with Coral Space Media. 820 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: You can follow us on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. 821 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,199 Speaker 1: You can also follow our page on the Colonial Parkway 822 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,159 Murders on Facebook. 823 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 2: And finally, you can follow Bill Thomas on Twitter at 824 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,559 Bill Thomas five six. 825 00:38:37,039 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to mind Over Murder.