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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's your new episode of You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway,

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Editor and treat of The Federalist and David Harsani, senior

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writer at The Washington Examiner. If you'd like to email

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Speaker 1: We love to hear from you. Tell you what I

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don't love, Molly.

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Speaker 2: I do not love the ice and snow that surrounds

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me right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this has been I am a lifelong person who's

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been in snow, and I'm very used to snowstorms. I

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even love snowstorms. What we're dealing with now is unlike

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anything I've ever experienced, which is a tremendous amount of

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ice and that is much more difficult to move than snow.

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Speaker 1: I live south of where you are. It should be

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this way.

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Speaker 2: I moved here to get away from cold winters, and

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I can't well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you did not go south enough to manage that.

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But we so where we are in northern Virginia. The

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snow came on Saturday night into Sunday morning, and we

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were able to get out just fine. Not just fine,

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but we were able to get out and go to church.

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And normally we have about two hundred and fifty two

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hundred and fifty five people on a given Sunday, and

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we had forty one people show up and it was

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it was great. Pastor. Our head pastor was wearing jeans,

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which happens like three times in his life, and under

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his under his robes, and the organist was unable to

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make it. So a different family came where the woman

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is very musically talented and her husband said, Pastor, do

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you want her to play the organ? And she did.

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She just literally went right up there and just played

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the organ site reading and did a fantastic job. And

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she's not really an organist. And then oh, we had

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a baptism, which was also very exciting. And I think

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that the girl who got baptized should her memoir should

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be called baptized in a blizzard if she has a

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life that matches that. And it was just a beautiful day.

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We get home, we shovel and our whole goal was

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just to stay ahead of everything, and we did throughout Sunday,

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and on Monday morning we realized we'd made a horrible,

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horrible mistake. Our neighbors who had not shoveled were able

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to clear their sidewalks because they still had snow on

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the bottom, whereas we had no snow, just ice. So

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we couldn't even like walk down our stairs because they

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were rounded ice. And Mark had to be out there

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doing like changing hitting it with a hammer shovel. It

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took him a really long time yesterday to clear enough

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of a petty Did.

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Speaker 2: He watch the hokal is that her name? The New

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York Governor's video on how to properly shovel? Did you

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see this?

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Speaker 3: What did she say?

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Speaker 2: Well, she just showed people how to shovel like a

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complete nanny, and I was impressed. I also wanted to

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make my wife go out and shovel, but you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I like shoveling. But it was it was you have.

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Speaker 2: To be careful apparently if you're over well I because

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I'm older, I have to be careful because I could

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get a heart attack. That's what she said.

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Speaker 3: The Capitol Weather gangon was like, some doctors say that

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everyone over fifty, no one over fifty should shovel. And

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I was like, hey, now calm down here, it's okay.

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My dad, who's currently in the ICU, but is the

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strongest person I know. He would be out shoveling with

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like a T shirt and a vest, like a puffy

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vest and shorts. He'd be out there like shoveling, and

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you know, when you are getting that level of workout,

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it's actually kind of okay. But we are also dealing

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with temperatures here. We knew this storm was coming, We

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even knew that it would be an ice storm. And

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I have to say that the Democrat run cities that

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I'm encountering, both Alexandria and Washington, d C. Are not

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operating at their best potential. And my left wing neighbors

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are like, oh, what, you know, you can't expect them

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to know how to do snow removal, but we when

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you don't do snow removal, you can't operate your other

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functions like schools. And you know, we have a far

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drive to a high school and I don't think my

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kid who does the driving as I don't think they've

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ever driven on the snow, and I'm not comfortable with

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them going now, you know, like an under stressful condition.

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Speaker 1: It's not just snow.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of ice that's a lot more dangerous.

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Speaker 3: I would love to teach to drive, but we're in

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such a narrow neighborhood, you know, the neighborhood has It

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takes real skill that you can't get until you know,

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you have to learn how to do it to navigate

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between like on a single lane with cars on either

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side of you, and ice that you could possibly be

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rolling into. So then DC, like right in front of

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the Fox building, there is a fairly major thoroughfare of

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E Street that just has not been properly plowed at all.

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And it's weird. It was weird earlier this week, but

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even but now you know, here we are in the

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middle of the week and it's still not plowed, and

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it's very difficult to get in and out, and it's

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just not a ton of competence.

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Speaker 2: Don't they preemptively throw down like they used to do salt,

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but now they do some kind of liquid and that

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should melt the ice, but it hasn't been melting it

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for us.

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Speaker 3: I think the problem might be what I talked about,

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that the snow pack followed by the ice, So if

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they did pre treatment, it's actually worse in this case.

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But there's a lot of money going to my taxes.

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And Alexandria has the best radical environmental and trans and

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DEI programs in the world. I would like for my

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taxes to go towards snow removal and proper trash removal

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and police work.

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Speaker 2: You know, well in the old days, a good snowstorm

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and a lack of you know, removal would bring down

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mayors like this was like the main thing you had

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to do, like in the northeaster instance. But you know

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what's scary down here in the South is that people

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panic with even a little snow. So you know, DC

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is everyone panics. I mean, I went to the supermarket

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like an idiot a day before the snowstorm was here,

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is like nothing for us to buy. So I'm a

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little more worried about other drivers than I am about

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my driving or the ice.

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Speaker 3: So on that note, I had a very busy week

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last week, and so I was also delayed on some

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of my prep. But we have a bakery in our

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neighborhood that has been targeted by left wing authoritarians because

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they posted a It's like one of these bakeries where

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you can just put up neighborhood signs about things yard

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sale or quilting club or whatever. And someone put up

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a sign for a new TPUSA chapter and so all

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of the left wing authoritarians who dominate my neighborhood announced

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a boycott of the store. So anyone who's saying has

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been like going to this bakery to make sure that

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the left wing authoritarians don't destroy it. But I got

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there so late that they they were cleaned out of everything.

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I managed to get some cinnamon bread, which I didn't need,

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but I was like, we might need it, you know,

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we might be trapped in our house for days.

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Speaker 2: The other day, I was reading about the a bill

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in virgin about how they're going to start banning magazine

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sizes to like eight or seven or something like that,

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which is ridiculous. And I was thinking about your neighbors

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and how much I hate them for moving into Virginia

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and ruining the state.

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Speaker 3: Me too, And Mark has been saying that the changes

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proposed by Abigail Spanberger and her colleagues are probably going

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to make it so that we have to move endbout

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that there's a reason for you know, one of the

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problems with media is that it's located. The vast majority

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of media are in New York City and Washington, DC.

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And if you think about the type of women in

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particular who work in media. These are women who are

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I mean, there's a stereotype here of a childless or

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maybe like one or two children kind of woman, not

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a woman who represents the hope's dreams and aspirations of

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the vast majority of women in this country. And then

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all the really good women are thinking, I don't want

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to live in New York City or DC. And I

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understand that what I've been doing here is important in

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representing the vast majority of women in this country who

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have no voice in the media. But it's getting so

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hostile that I don't know how much longer I can continue.

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Speaker 2: Well, the landscape has changed a bit, right, technologically, you

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can live anywhere more than it used to be before.

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Speaker 3: No, yes, you can definitely live away and still have

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and still work in media, but you can't do it

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at the level that you need to do it to

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have a powerful voice. If you are not right there

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when news breaks, or if you're not right if you're

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not available for the in person shows, or if you

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can't just set up an inner be with the senator

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and make it there in twenty minutes, you know that

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does affect your.

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Speaker 2: Career for sure. Yeah, yeah, I mean, for over ten

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years I've worked remotely, and it does hamper your ability

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to like be part of kind of the community unfortunately

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in DC, which is a good thing, but I should say,

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but also not great if you want to be on

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TV and stuff like that. Not that I do, but

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you're good at it. I don't like a face for

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podcasting already. All right, Ice another ICE shooting, you know,

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another tragedy. I would say, like, whatever you think of

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what happened, I mean, this is how I view it.

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At least, I think these things are tragic. The guy's

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name is Alex Preddie. I've not done a forensic look

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at all the videos. I don't know the legalities or

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justifications are good or not. It seemed to me like

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the administration has kind of stepped back on that a little.

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Speaker 1: They're going to investigate it. To said they should do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if it was a good shoot, it's a

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good shoot. I just want to preface all by saying

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that there's a misconception. It seems to me, at least

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on social media, that if this was a bad shoo,

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that that means that the entire purpose of ICE and

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what they're trying to do is somehow wrong, and I

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don't see that as a connection at all. There are

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bad police shoots in other you know, instances, in other situations,

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and that doesn't mean that you get to break the

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law tomorrow just because the police acted poorly or whatever.

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I mean. And I'm not saying they did. I don't know,

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but yeah, I'm waiting for you. I don't know where

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to go.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of facets to this, right, right, right.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. It's you can never delight in,

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you know, watching the killing of a human being. And

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with the first instance with Renee Good, she was she,

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like Alex Petty, was part of an activist network that

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is designed to interfere with law enforcement. That's what they do.

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They're not They're not protesters who are peacefully protesting the

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democratically passed immigration laws that Ice and Border Patrol are enforcing.

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That's that's totally that would be a legitimate thing to do,

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and that would be a First Amendment protected activity. But

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they are part of well funded, well orchestrated networks of

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agitators trying to thwart the enforcement of democratically passed laws,

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which is not a First Amendment protected activity. In general,

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in the case of Renee Good, who how did the

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New York Times put it, she wasn't aiming for the

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policeman when she hit him with her car, as I

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believe how they tried to make that into a big thing.

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Speaker 1: Actually first at.

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Speaker 2: First they said that she did. There was no evidence

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that she had even hit him, and then had.

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Speaker 3: Hit and then not aiming for him when she hit him.

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And there just has been horrifically evil propaganda press coverage

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of this as opposed to actual reporting of what's going on.

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But it's still sad. It's still sad to see a

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woman get and killed on video. I mean, it's it's

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a life lost, and her life was not you know,

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she was not doing good things with her life to

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begin with in terms of her efforts to interfere with

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law enforcement. But very sad. And then this Alex pretty

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thing near as I can tell, Like, I love how

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on Twitter, the moment something happens, everyone becomes an expert

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in that thing that just happened. And for me, the

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videos were a little hard to decipher, but I think

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what it like, what it looked like to me is

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a known belligerent. He had previously broken a rib as

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part of an altercation and part of his activities as

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an anti law enforcement activist and agitator, A known belligerent

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was being disarmed. He had a particular type of sig

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that is known for accidental firing. Right that while he

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was being disarmed, that accidental firing happened that two police

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poeman shot him thinking he was firing the weapon that

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they knew he had on him, because they didn't know

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that he had already been like that he had just

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a moment prior been disarmed, or they thought he had

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a multiple multiple weapons on him, and it looks like

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he was holding a magazine, not a gun, but he'd yeah,

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he'd brought a gun to his efforts to interfere with

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law enforcement. And we were talking to the kids last

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night and explaining not getting shot by police is actually

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a pretty easy thing to achieve, right. The media make

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it out like the police are out there just shooting people,

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and we just went over basics too. If a policeman

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tells you to get out of the car, you get

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out of the car like you actually are supposed to

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follow what they say. They might be there might be

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all sorts of problems. They might be very confused about

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a situation. There might be they might be a bad cop,

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you know, but like you still in a society that

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is is governed by rule of law. Yes, they do

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have you know, the government does have some kind of

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monopoly on force. And to not get shot you you

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don't shoot at them or fail to follow orders or

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you know what I mean. Like, I'm not saying in

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any way that either of these people should have been shot,

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but their actions were irresponsible too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are two sides to it.

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Speaker 2: One is that cops have, or all law enforcement have

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a license to use deadly force, and because they have that,

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they have a special responsibility because they're trained to make

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sure they use it responsibly. Right. So I think any

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anything shooting of a civilian, no matter what he's doing,

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needs an investigation.

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Speaker 1: We can't can't, you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Steven Miller should have gone out there

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and said that he was going would be assassin. We

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don't know that kind of thing, And that rhetoric's not right.

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I want to talk about the gun rhetoric in a

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minute from the administration. Initially, but he had this guy

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had a concealed carry license. But any responsible gun owner

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any concealed carry instructor will tell you. And he had

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a broken rib, CNN reported last week with being you know,

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getting into a scuffle or whatever with ICE agents. So

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potentially tragic situation can happen if you bring a gun

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to a volatile situation, especially with people who had other

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people who have guns, and especially with police officers. And

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he probably knew that, and he acted recklessly at the

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very least, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. He was obviously

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part of kind of an organized, like you say, an

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organized effort to an inorganic effort to stop ICE agents

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from doing it, from enforcing the law.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he should be shot, like you said.

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Speaker 2: And I really I found a lot of the initial

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comments distasteful, not because I didn't think the shoot was good,

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but because administration officials started saying that you're not allowed

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to bring a gun to a protest. What they should say,

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you're not allowed to bring a gun and then obstruct

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the police, not that you can't ever bring you know,

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I saw a Bessett saying, uh, semi automatic, like all

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these scare mongering language for people who don't understand guns,

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loaded extra magazines. You can every not every virtually every

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concealed carrier has a loaded weapon. That's the point of

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the weapon. In fact, they probably have one in the chamber,

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which is maybe why this went you know, the sig

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went off, because that's the point. But if you're going

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there too to and you know you're going to have

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interactions with police in this one, you bring a gun,

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you're asking for deadly trouble, right, And we have to

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admit that as well.

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Speaker 3: The level of coordination and funding and central control over

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the insurgency in Minnesota is like off the charts relative

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to the cluelessness of the j six rioters who had

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you know, who just were like in a They were

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not they were not planning on a riot. They found

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themselves in a riot through bad decisions.

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Speaker 2: Well, what one of these things is a riot? And

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one of these things is organized undermining of the law

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of the law purposefully, so civil disobedience. There's a role

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for that in society, honestly, but there are also consequences

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to that, especially if you're going to start bringing guns, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the idea behind these agitators is that if

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they can bring enough chaos to ice operations, it will

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mean that they can thwart the will of the people,

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the people who elected the president. And they know that

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Donald Trump ran on a campaign to deport illegal aliens

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following an open borders policy of Biden and the rest

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of the Democrat Party. They know that a majority, like

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the vast, vast, vast majority of Americans definitely want criminal

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illegal aliens, meaning those illegal aliens who rape, murder, rob

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They want those people deported, like almost every American does.

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But even a majority of America, but even for just

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normal people who broke the law to come or stay

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in this country, a majority of Americans want them deported

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as well. And so what do you do when you

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have laws that you disagree with and a majority of

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the people disagree with you. You can't go to change

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those laws democratically because you're not going to win. So

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you use insurgency tactics, apparently, And so that's what they're

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doing with the idea that if enough chaos happens, first

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of all, that will embolden your elected leaders to fight

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for an open borders regime, but it will also get

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weak Republicans to side with you as well. And that

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is what was beginning to happen due to the chaos

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operations that were well financed and well coordinated in Minnesota.

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I think jd Vance made this point that ICE is

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operating in all fifty states and the fast majority of

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interactions are happening without any incident whatsoever, because like most

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of these deportations are happening in Texas, in Florida, in

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Tennessee with people who are not running an insurgency against

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the federal government. So in places like Florida, you are

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a criminal, illegal alien, the elected or the police in

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Florida notify the federal government, Hey, we got one of

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the people that you were trying to deport. You can

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come get him at this jail. And you know what

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I mean, Like they work with them. And so what

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we're seeing in Minnesota is what happens when you are

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trying to insurrect against the federal government. With the help

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of Jacob Frye who openly tweeted that he was trying

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to run an insurrection against the federal government and Tim

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Walls and what I'm very the governor who asked people

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to help out the agitators against law enforcement, rather than saying,

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don't forget that you are supposed to to not agitate

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against law enforcement and what I'm very confused by. Okay,

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so you mentioned that the Trump administration had done some

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had used some rhetoric that was unwise and overstated following

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the killing of Petty Well.

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Speaker 2: Also was factually wrong about it. Yet about sent.

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Speaker 3: Amendment, I very much agree with that, because when you're

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in a war like this, it's also an information war,

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and nearly the entire corporate media are just as, if

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not more radical than the people who are out there

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on the streets, and so they're not going to be

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honest about what's going on. They're not going to be

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truthful about what's going on. They're going to be part

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of that activist network. So you have to be like

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perfect in your counter countering of that information operation, not

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saying reckless things that are unsupported by facts. And that's

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one problem, and then another problem is why you know,

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for a show that was where Will Cain was interviewing

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President Trump, and President Trump was talking about what a

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nice conversation he had with Tim Walls and how it

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was weird that he sounds so crazy when he's on Twitter,

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but he's actually a nice guy to have a conversation

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with and it was making me laugh on the one hand,

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because that's a very good way to describe Donald Trump,

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who has said horrible things about Tim Walls, but then

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is apparently having a nice conversation with him. But I'm thinking,

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why are we playing nice with a governor who's openly

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challenging the federal government and the enforcement of its laws.

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Why are we being nice to someone who's you know,

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And he also said he had a nice conversation with

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Jacob Fry. Frey Fry how we see it, Why are

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we being nice to people who are overseeing the theft

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of my money through so Mollian fraud operations. Like I

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don't want him to be nice to those people. I

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want him to come down and say, you don't actually

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have the right to thwart democratically elect democratically passed laws

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that are constitutional. You do not have that right. You

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can't do that, Like we already debated this during the

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Civil rights era and over and over and over again.

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The federal government is deemed to have the right to

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enforce immigration law. Right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're being nice to reach your goal,

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I have no problem with it. And it seems to

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me like it was Walls who gave in here where

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ice where local officials are now almost after immediately after

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that conversation, it seemed to me helping federal authorities do

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what they needed to do. So that is the outcome

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of a nice conversation. That's fine with me. I don't

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really it doesn't really matter to me. As you know,

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a lot of the Twitter stuff is performed. I think

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it's dangerously performative in the sense that there are credulous

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activists and all of that who believe what you're saying

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and then go out and put themselves an incredibly dangerous situation.

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So you bear some responsibility. But I hate saying this,

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it sounds so squishy, But lowering the temperature when people

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are actually dying, I think that's okay, right. Every president

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until very recently, none of them ever said it was

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okay to be here illegally.

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Speaker 1: Never.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was never the position of the Democratic

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Party until recently. Even if they were lying about what

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they believed right like, it was never their position.

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Speaker 1: I did want to say one quick thing.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a column last week about how I think

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protest culture is annoying and Unamerican because a lot of

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young people and people we see who unfortunately died here

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confuse activism with good, good citizenry and patriotism. But it

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now is stepping further and further where they have convinced

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themselves that that Ice is fascist, that Republicans are fascist,

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and you keep telling saying that to people, they're going

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to act like I wouldn't want to act if people

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were actually fascist, But that is not the case. So

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there are legal avenues to stop ICE. There are democratic

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institutions that can change laws to stop you. Are they

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act like they're in Iran or they are in Tieman

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Square or something, You're not there. There are avenues for

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you in a democracy or our democratic system to do something.

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So this, I don't know what to call it. I

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think we've convinced a lot of people that they're absolutely

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helpless and that there's a Nazi regime rising, and you

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see it all over Twitter from people behind there in

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their rooms. You know, not people are actually going to

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be out there convincing other people to put themselves in danger.

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I just think it's just so reckless.

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Government is now saying health insurance is down by nineteen

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percent over the last five years. Does anybody believe that,

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whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

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it's affecting you financially?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I'm very frustrated by people not understanding

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the difference between protests and illegal obstruction of law enforcement.

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And I was thinking about this. On Friday, we had

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the annual March for Life in Washington, d C. This

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has been going on every year since Roby Wade was passed.

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And we had a divine service at my church ahead

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of the march. And the people that I was talking

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to there who many of them had this was their

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very first march. When I got down to the march,

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I also talked to a bunch of people who it

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was their very first march. I thought it was interesting that,

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you know, on Twitter, you get a certain idea about

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what people are thinking or how they've moved on from

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the abortion issue. It's too difficult to fight. And then

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you go down to this largest continue like of all

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the human rights issues in the world, this is I

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think the longest continuous march. You know, people have marched,

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have like lived, died, and their children and grandchildren are

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marching for this cause of ending the scourge of abortion.

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And they were very motivated, they were very positive. It

480
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was like a wonderful march. It was interesting. There were

481
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:36,920
a ton of police there, including like a ton of

482
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,799
people from Fairfox County Police. It's just weird because I was,

483
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you know, having also been in DC on the January

484
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,119
sixth time, which was a rally at the White House

485
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,880
and then the you know, protest slash riot at the

486
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,799
Capitol a couple miles away. There were no police there

487
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,559
out on the streets that day. And here for the

488
00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:01,119
pro lifers, who are, like argue, the most peaceful group

489
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,839
of people known to mankind, there were just police every

490
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,400
few feet, a different set of police. But my point

491
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,880
being here peaceful, large, massive protest and very little media coverage.

492
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,119
Whereas you have these organized obstruction efforts they're called protests,

493
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:22,599
and they get very favorable coverage from the media.

494
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Speaker 2: Well, can I talk just a little bit about the

495
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rhetoric they used. I just want to say the scare

496
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,759
Republicans should never be out there scare mongering about loaded weapons,

497
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:40,640
semi automatics, extra magazines and things like that, because the

498
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,079
left I have already seen, like Newsome and others gravitate

499
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920
towards this, grab it and say, look, they don't really

500
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,240
the Trump administration doesn't really support the Second Amendment, which

501
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,640
I think they have. So that's why you're right about

502
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,039
careful language. We wouldn't talk about the First Amendment this way,

503
00:28:58,079 --> 00:28:59,960
I hope not. We shouldn't talk about the Second Amendment

504
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this way either.

505
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So there was something happened Ilhan Omar, who's a

506
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:15,039
woman who came from Somalia. Her father apparently was not

507
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:19,720
the greatest guy in Somalia and has risen to being

508
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:25,960
a prominent member of Congress, but also someone who you know,

509
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,160
is credibly accused of being involved in the immigration fraud

510
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,119
when she married her brother in order to help him

511
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,240
gain residency in the United States, and also is credibly

512
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,480
accused of being closely related to the massive amounts of

513
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:46,240
theft through Somali fraud people involved in her offices and

514
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:53,400
campaigns are all over the fraud, either allegations or convictions anyway,

515
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,559
she held and she's a very strong supporter of completely

516
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:01,319
open borders and opposition to all law enforcement related to

517
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,039
enforcing our democratically passed laws on immigration, as well as others.

518
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,400
She's also for other defund police initiatives and is you know,

519
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,680
generally pretty anti American in her governing philosophy. But she

520
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:22,720
was at a town hall yesterday and again don't know

521
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:24,640
exactly what was going on, but someone who seemed a

522
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:30,039
little off kilter, literally like struggling to be upright, sprayed

523
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,880
her with a substance and she I don't know if

524
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,240
she knew who he was or what, but she just

525
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:40,960
like she kept going, which was good. Any attacks on

526
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,160
any elected officials are bad, whether they come from crazy

527
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,039
people or politically motivated people. It's not something you want

528
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,039
to see in our country. But I noticed that AOC

529
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,400
came out. She's like, I hope you guys realize that

530
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,680
this is what happens when you put a target on

531
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,079
someone's back. So, in other words, if you point out

532
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:05,319
that ilhan Omar is involved with fraud or that people

533
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,359
in her office are involved with fraud, or she's closely

534
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,519
related to that, or that she was personally involved in

535
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:16,000
immigration fraud through the marrying of her brother. Then you're

536
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,519
the reason why someone sprayed water on her who might

537
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:22,480
be crazy at a constituent meeting. No, that's not how

538
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,559
that works out. But I do wonder if AOC thinks

539
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,920
that all of the Democrat Party saying get in their faces,

540
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:35,000
don't let them live freely obstruct law enforcement is any

541
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,319
way related to the efforts to obstruct law enforcement, you

542
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:43,759
know what I mean? Like how choice of her to

543
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:46,880
see something that may or may not even be remotely

544
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,880
true in the case of ilhan Omar, but not in

545
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,200
any way take responsibility for these gross anti law enforcement

546
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,839
actions that are taking place.

547
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,319
Speaker 2: What AOC did there trying to chill criticism.

548
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: Don't talk about her marrying her brother.

549
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,119
Speaker 2: Right, we get to say what we want and we

550
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880
get to point out things that we believe. You know,

551
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,279
the President of the United States, Joe Biden, went and

552
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,160
went out there and called half the country quasi fascists

553
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,200
or whatever terminology used.

554
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: Right before a bunch of people got shot up.

555
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,839
Speaker 1: Yes, right, I saw in CNN yesterday.

556
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: They have that like roundtable show, and someone was pointing

557
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,200
out that it's happening on both sides is violence and

558
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,079
we have to cool it.

559
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: Fine, that's a fine message.

560
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,359
Speaker 2: And another woman, so one of the instances he mentioned

561
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:37,960
was that Charlie Kirk was assassinated while speaking out, and

562
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,000
this woman says, well, that was just right wing on

563
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:42,920
right wing violence. The president thing was just right wing on, Like,

564
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,960
they won't even accept that left wingers, who in my estimation,

565
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,039
my historical estimation, are far more inclined towards violence than

566
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,359
the right wing in this country. They can't even admit

567
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,000
that the assassination of the president, with the assassination of

568
00:32:56,079 --> 00:33:01,720
Charlie Kirk by some left wing nut reflects poorly on them.

569
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,279
But then we're not allowed to talk about ilhan Omar,

570
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:11,319
who incidentally is a Hamas boosting conspiracy theorist and terrible

571
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:14,039
all around person. I don't want anyone to ever touch

572
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,880
her in the United States. We're not a third world

573
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,079
country here, but I am allowed to point those things out.

574
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:24,240
Do you want to switch topics or okay, let's talk

575
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:28,839
about third world repression of speech and let's talk about Iran.

576
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:35,599
So obviously there's a again I would call it a

577
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,400
revolution in a way. It seems like we know that

578
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,359
it was just more than just some protests in the street.

579
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,200
There are very big numbers being thrown around of estimates

580
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,319
of how many people have been killed by the regime there.

581
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,039
I don't know if they're true or not, but I

582
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:54,079
do know it's a repressive regime that shuts down Twitter

583
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,640
and ways for people to communicate outside of the country

584
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,400
and to see news, has religious police that be women,

585
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:02,559
you know, and does all these terrible things, and once

586
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:10,519
nuclear weapons. So today Trump confirmed that the USS Abraham

587
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,559
Lincoln and a strike group have been deployed to the area.

588
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,880
He is what, he tweeted out, a massive armadus headed

589
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,639
to Iran. It is moving quickly with great power, enthusiasm,

590
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,079
and purpose. It is a larger fleet headed by the

591
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:29,679
great aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln. Then was sent to Venezuela.

592
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,320
Like with Venezuela, it is ready, willing and able to

593
00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,960
rapidly fulfill its mission with speed and violence if necessary.

594
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Speaker 1: What do you make of all that?

595
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: I mean, he did a few well maybe a month

596
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,119
ago now or a few weeks ago, say that keep protesting,

597
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:46,719
We're on our way. To help you, right. Do you

598
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,800
think this is connected to that or something else.

599
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: Yes, So a few weeks ago, everyone seemed to be

600
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,840
ready for strikes to happen within twenty four or forty

601
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,280
eight hours to assist the protesters, the domestic protesters who

602
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:05,039
were standing up against their government. And then it didn't happen,

603
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,800
and there were a lot of questions about why it

604
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,519
didn't happen. And what you just read is the reason

605
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:16,039
why people like to say, oh, the regime is falling,

606
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,039
it's about done. And it is true that it is

607
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,199
not at its highest point of strength right now, but

608
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,559
there's a lot of destruction they can do in the meantime.

609
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,960
And one of the things they can do is try

610
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,119
to annihilate Israel. And you might remember when there were

611
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:41,719
all of those strikes that the Iron Dome repelled. Most

612
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,599
of those strikes were repelled. It was a great success

613
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,320
for the Iron Dome, which is a US Israeli project.

614
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,760
It went really well, except that Israel depleted most of

615
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,119
its missiles there, so that if Iran were to do

616
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:01,000
it again, they weren't quite ready to repel at the

617
00:36:01,039 --> 00:36:07,079
same level. So if we had struck without getting our

618
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,840
people in place, it would not have been you know,

619
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,920
it could have been a very very bad situation if

620
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,119
they decided to respond by trying to destroy Israel. So

621
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,760
this seems like a smart move. You know, at the

622
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,760
time that everyone was like, I think he's going after

623
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:28,599
Iran right now, everything was still over doing the Venezuela Armada,

624
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,400
like it takes time to move these, to move things

625
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,760
into place, and so now that they're in place, that's

626
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,880
interesting that he's being public about it. Is interesting. He

627
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,159
tends to be pretty open about what his plans are.

628
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,840
I would take it very seriously if I were Oran,

629
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,119
and the domestic protests are because people are starving and cold,

630
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,000
they're you know, the situation is bad, and so you

631
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,000
just have to kind of monitor but also be ready

632
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:56,280
for all all eventualities.

633
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,079
Speaker 1: A lot of people.

634
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,119
Speaker 2: Who are anti Israel or you know, want to cut

635
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,280
off the Iron Dome funding and all that. But what

636
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,400
I don't think they understand, maybe they don't care, is

637
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,880
that the Iron Dome. Yes, it's cures Israel in many ways,

638
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,320
but it also saves a lot of Iranian lives and

639
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,239
a lot of lives Palestinian lives, because if Israel is

640
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,480
going to be attacked without an iron dome. It needs

641
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:22,679
to react in using tremendous force.

642
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: I assume this is Trump. Actually, let me read you more.

643
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: So Trump goes on and he says, hopefully Iran will

644
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,599
quickly quote open quote, come to the table cost quote

645
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,599
and negotiate a fair and equitable deal, all caps coming,

646
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,719
no nuclear weapons, one that is good for all parties.

647
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,880
Time is running out is truly of the essence. As

648
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,360
I told Iran once before, make a deal, etc. I

649
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,360
would love a great deal with Iran. But you know,

650
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,599
I was listening to a podcast called The Rest is History,

651
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:56,920
which I quite like, and they have a series on

652
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,880
the Iranian Revolution, and if you're interested in that, I

653
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,320
think listeners should give that a listen to, because it

654
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,079
really lets you get into the mind of the clerics

655
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:08,960
there in the mulahs. This is that you're not dealing

656
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,079
with a rational country or a Western country. Here, you're

657
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:18,119
dealing with apocalyptic Shia twelvers who constantly see the end

658
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:22,159
of day is coming. And they will not, like you said,

659
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,320
just relinquish power because we're threatening them or because they're protests.

660
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,800
They really don't value life in the same way that

661
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,920
we do, or others do or Israelis do. So it's

662
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,159
something to think about. My question to you is if

663
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,360
Joe Biden was doing this or if someone else was

664
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,639
doing this. Is this seems like something that a lot

665
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:47,280
of people would have called neocon policy years ago, because

666
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:53,320
we are, in essence, either trying to we're threatening the

667
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,719
same thing with Venezuela. It seems Trump is instead of

668
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,599
boots on the ground regime change, he's going to try

669
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,519
to control the regimes from outside. I don't know if

670
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,960
that's a good long there's good long term prospects for

671
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
that kind of policy because they'll be a new president

672
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,840
who won't do that, but it seems like he wants

673
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,000
change from the outside and he will threaten them with

674
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:13,039
military strikes to do it. What do you think of

675
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:14,360
that policy? Is it neocon?

676
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,519
Speaker 3: I think that it would have been better for you

677
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,159
to say what would you think if George W. Bush

678
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:23,000
were doing rather than Joe Biden? Because Joe Biden and

679
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,239
his leader Barack Obama, of course, are partly responsible for

680
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,159
this horrible situation because of how they have tried to

681
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,599
lift up Ran in that region and make them the

682
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,519
country that controls everything and helps them with their path

683
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,239
to nuclear power and all that. But yes, like if

684
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,280
George W. Bush were moving an armada to the region,

685
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:51,719
I do think you'd see people strongly concerned about what

686
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,599
he was about to do. But not because it's the

687
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,920
move of the armada to the region that makes Neocon policy.

688
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,400
But it's really completely about mindset. I've you know, when

689
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,960
people were worried about the strike on Iran, on Iran's

690
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,320
nuclear capabilities, I think a lot of that was PTSD

691
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:16,920
from that's I hate using a legitimate illness to describe

692
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,800
just the anguish you feel about how your leaders are

693
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,480
being But for a long time, Republicans had been taken

694
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:29,599
over by this like Wilsonian progressive foreign policy of you know,

695
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,280
we're going to turn every country into a democracy, and

696
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,000
we're going to do it by invading and setting up

697
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:40,119
shop and occupying a country for decades. That's the Neocon thing.

698
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:46,559
Asserting your interests abroad is not necessarily a problem, assuming,

699
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,320
you know, assuming you do it smartly. And the thing

700
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,599
that I that I have grown to really love about

701
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,159
Trump foreign policy is, you know, he just he just

702
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,119
goes in and strikes and then is out or you know,

703
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,119
even in Venezuela, where we are ostensibly running the government

704
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:09,519
with very like we're not even really totally there, And

705
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,159
it is these long drawn out, decades long occupations and

706
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:18,639
trying to change people into having like girls' schools. I

707
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,679
still don't understand the neocon obsession with like we're going

708
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,840
to make sure girls are educated in Afghanistan. It was

709
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,000
a total failure. And also things just go better when

710
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,719
you assert your own interest and do it efficiently or

711
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,280
do it like in whatever is the best way for

712
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,679
you possible. Iran is a threat to the United States,

713
00:41:40,599 --> 00:41:45,599
working with Venezuela, working with Russia, and there are reasons

714
00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:49,679
why you would want to further constrain them, you know,

715
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:56,559
as part of your global agenda. But I'm not you know,

716
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,840
I love that. Also, this is happening in response to

717
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:06,920
a domestic outpouring in Iran, not you know, like us

718
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,880
coming in. And you know, like in Venezuela, that was

719
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,960
an illegitimately quote unquote elected because he wasn't elected dictator

720
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,679
who the people had tried to oust through democratic means,

721
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,079
and he just rigged the election results to make it

722
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,719
seem like he had won in cartoonish fashion that was

723
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,920
just not true. And likewise, in Iran you have you

724
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,360
have like mass protests. Even with our limited information window,

725
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,039
we see that there is a real desire for help

726
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:38,440
here that's different than us. Just you know, it's not

727
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:43,480
just our it's not just that obviously, it's mostly that

728
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,559
this is in our interest and not have them have

729
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:46,880
nuclear weapons.

730
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just want to say, I couldn't

731
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,920
care less if the Venezuela and dictator was elected or not.

732
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,400
Hitler was elected, doesn't matter to us if you're an

733
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,119
enemy of the United States. Yeah, But I'm just saying

734
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,320
when people say, oh, he wasn't properly elected, that I

735
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,199
would even if you if people loved him in Venezuela.

736
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,000
He's in the Western hemisphere. He's undermining American interests, and

737
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:10,760
we have a right to protect our interests.

738
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,679
Speaker 3: Yes, but when you're talking about regime change, to do

739
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,880
it over and against to do it over and against

740
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,199
the will of the people is a completely different animal

741
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,639
than to help out the people. Do you know what

742
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,079
I'm saying.

743
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:24,199
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying.

744
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,519
Speaker 3: Like, the problem with Germany wasn't just Hitler. It's that

745
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,719
the people elected him, right, It wasn't just him. It

746
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,159
was a national problem.

747
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: My my only My point only is that I agree

748
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:39,760
that that Venezuelan elections are fake or you know that

749
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,000
the leadership of the country isn't truly elected, but I

750
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:43,599
don't That to me is not the most important thing.

751
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 1: But it's not sai I am.

752
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: I am skeptical that this kind of policy is going

753
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,639
to work with Iran. Frankly because without any informant enforcement

754
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,559
mechanisms that are real and long term, I just don't

755
00:43:56,559 --> 00:44:00,360
see how the Iranians. Uh, I don't see how we

756
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,320
can trust the Iranians, and moreover, they'll just wait Trump out.

757
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,679
But more than that, I mean, this is not what

758
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,320
Trump really promised them, right, this is not really a

759
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,800
regime change. I mean, you're essentially going to lift them

760
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,280
up and give them credibility if you do this, But

761
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,119
that's you know, Honestly, I just don't think it's very

762
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:21,440
hard to overturn this regime. So I don't really know

763
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,000
what other answers there are. I will defend I think

764
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,599
George Bush's nation building was a failure. I am not

765
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,239
a neo conservative, but it's always going to be easier.

766
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,719
But Trump gets to live in a post nine to

767
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:38,039
eleven post Trump would propost Bush world, where he knows

768
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,760
that those were failures. I think at the time, we

769
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,679
look back at what happened in Japan, what happened in Germany,

770
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,239
and these people thought that we can do the same thing.

771
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,519
If we're going to wage war across halfway across the world,

772
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:52,519
we can try to help people. I think they overestimated

773
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:56,400
the desire of other people to be free, certainly the

774
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,760
desire or the ability of Islamic people sometimes to embrace democracy.

775
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,239
And that was a huge failure. But that doesn't mean that,

776
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,679
you know, regime change is always better or always a failure.

777
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,599
Speaker 3: I do want to just point out the George W.

778
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:17,039
Bush philosophy is widely considered to have best been articulated

779
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:20,119
by Charles Crouthammer in his I think two thousand and

780
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:24,079
three speech at Ai that I heckled in real time,

781
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,519
which I love because I later became, you know, friends

782
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,360
with Charles. I heckled it because I disagreed with it

783
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,360
at the time, and so you say, like, oh, he

784
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,880
has the benefit of living in this post era. There

785
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,119
were people who were saying this was not a good

786
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,639
idea at the time. And if you reread that Charles

787
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:46,880
crowdhammer speech. He says, Okay, maybe the realists will eventually

788
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,079
be proven right and this will be a disaster, but

789
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,440
shouldn't we give it a try. It's a real funny

790
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,039
like line to have in there, that he's like going

791
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,480
after the realists even then and he's like, maybe maybe

792
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,039
they'll be preve been right. It's like, yeah, well we were,

793
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:04,880
and thank you, and we could have seen a lot

794
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,800
of money and lives.

795
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: Well, i'll exclude you from this comment that I'm going

796
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,239
to make, but a lot of the people who were

797
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:16,960
most vehemently against that are still many. Some of them

798
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,400
aren't live, many of them are are vehemently against any

799
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,360
any thing that we do. It reminds me of the

800
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,360
guy who's constantly saying that the market's going to crash,

801
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,880
and when it finally crashes, everyone treats them like a prophet.

802
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,159
It's easy to say, let's be realists and completely, you know,

803
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:34,920
let's be able to be Henry Kissinger and just look

804
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,239
at our interests only, which is important.

805
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,599
Speaker 1: But I think American people are very generous.

806
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:43,079
Speaker 2: Honestly, even though you know that's not how we're depicted,

807
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,039
and that there needs to be some level of idealism

808
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:47,760
to sell it to the American people that we're going

809
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,960
to help some we're going to help these protesters. We're

810
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,119
going to make life better for the people in Venezuela

811
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,519
and not just take their oil and et cetera.

812
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: All right, you want to talk about.

813
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:03,679
Speaker 2: Culture, let's do it. What did I have? Oh? I

814
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,840
watched two things? Do you want to go first? Yeah?

815
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,599
Speaker 3: I want you to cover.

816
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: I watched a show which I did not think I

817
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,760
would like it, all on Apple called Hijack Hum. It

818
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:21,320
stars Idris Alba, and it is what it what you

819
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,280
think it is. It's just there's a plane that's hijacked,

820
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,639
and it's not reinventing the wheel here. But for some reason,

821
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,480
it was just really tense the whole way in a

822
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:35,360
good in a good kind of way. It's just a

823
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,360
thriller and interesting and I binge watch it like I

824
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,920
can stop watching it. There's a second season, so obviously

825
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,320
this character is having bad luck with his transportation. But uh,

826
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,199
I would watch that. I think I think it is

827
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,280
a good one. If that's your that's your deal. The

828
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,800
other thing I watched was one Battle after the next.

829
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: Is that what's called the Academy Award nominated h one.

830
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: Battle after another. I am a huge fan of Paul

831
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,639
Thomas Anderson. You know there will be blood Boogie Knights,

832
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,719
his early movie name right now. I mean, I think

833
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,719
I've liked all of them, and I don't. I was

834
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,039
weirded out by this movie. I don't exactly know if

835
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,360
I liked it or not. A lot of it is

836
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,519
political or there's a political backdrop. There are people helping

837
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:32,599
illegal aliens, They're blowing up things. There's a cartoonish kind

838
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:37,320
of star chamber of what do you call it, white

839
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,920
supremacists who want to bring America BacT and then all

840
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,400
that's kind of dumb, even though it is kind of cartoony.

841
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,119
But having watched it, I would say I think that

842
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,239
is overdone. I don't really feel like this is because

843
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,199
the hippie terrorists in this movie look like idiots too,

844
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,280
you know what I mean? Like, I just lookink anyone

845
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,480
comes off really well or anything that way well acted.

846
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:02,440
Niche del Toro's in it, he's great, everyone's good in it,

847
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:04,480
all of that. But I just you know, it's really

848
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:06,159
good in it. Who I don't usually like a Sean

849
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920
pan He's the villain. I actually think he does a

850
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,480
really good job. So it's it's Paul Thomas Anderson. So

851
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:15,519
it's a well made movie. It's just didn't grab me,

852
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,320
Like I wouldn't watch it again. I didn't get the

853
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:22,000
White exists it's based it's not based. I guess it's

854
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:23,679
based on Vineland. Is that the name of the book

855
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:24,559
of Thomas Pinshon?

856
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: Who?

857
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not a fan of you know, I Greg

858
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,320
Grabby's Rainbow.

859
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: I still don't get it. You know, I'm so.

860
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: Glad you said that, because Mark is always making me

861
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:39,199
read Various Pension and I sort of like it, and

862
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,280
then I'm like, I don't really know what's going on here.

863
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like fun to read, but it's just abstract,

864
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,920
Like maybe that's what this movie is like, you know,

865
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,639
there's no real need for this story. You're not really

866
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,840
saying anything, but it's kind of fun to dip in

867
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,760
and out of it and see it. But anyway, that

868
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,159
was me this week. Those are the two things I did.

869
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,159
Speaker 3: Okay, I have a lot because we've been snowed in.

870
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:05,800
And also so I already mentioned that I did the

871
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,440
March for Life last week. A friend came in for that,

872
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:14,639
so I got to spend some time with her, and

873
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,320
I have also been doing a ton of organizing. I

874
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,239
have a fairly small house. I have an office that

875
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,519
is also my closet, and I you know, I have

876
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:28,800
a large shoe collection and that I also want to

877
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,000
turn into like a little home studio so that we

878
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:35,559
can maybe do this on video. You're already set, David,

879
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:38,199
but it's going to take some time and effort and

880
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,719
like reconfiguring, and it's requiring me to get rid of

881
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,840
so much stuff. So I've been just spending hours each

882
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,639
day just throwing stuff out or organizing or filing whatever.

883
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,920
You don't keep a lot of notes, but I do.

884
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,679
I still take notes by hand, and you know, I

885
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,760
have notebooks that it'll say off the record, and so

886
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,880
I need to shred those things, but not but I

887
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,920
can throw away other pages. I don't need to shred everything.

888
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,840
And it takes a long time to shred everything. So

889
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,559
it's just been quite the ordeal and also really fun

890
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,800
to go through weird things I wrote when I was younger.

891
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:25,000
I keep cards from friends and my sister writes great cards.

892
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:26,599
You know, it's just like a lot to go through.

893
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:29,840
So if anyone has any tips. I also apparently have

894
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,280
a stationary problem where I like to collect stationary but

895
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,880
then not send it. So I'm working on that. I

896
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,440
need to do a better job with that. But I've

897
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,920
also watched a lot of movies. Last night I watched

898
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,679
half of the New West Side Story because I was

899
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,519
done organizing and the rest of the family was watching it.

900
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,280
Have you seen the new by which I mean five

901
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,840
years ago West Side Story?

902
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: I have not not.

903
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 2: I've not even seen the original, really, so are you

904
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,440
hold off? I think I've seen like the numbers, like

905
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,360
the snapping number, and I know the songs like I'm

906
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,159
Happy to be in America or whatever that song, but

907
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,440
I've never like sat down and watched webside story. Now.

908
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: So this whoever was the cinematographer, was just great, beautifully

909
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,320
composed shots. It didn't grab me, but I don't know

910
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,519
if that's because I came in halfway through as opposed

911
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:30,320
to I was having trouble connecting with the characters. And

912
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,320
it's compounded by the lead, Maria being played by that

913
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:38,920
Rachel Zegler girl. Oh was she the handedly destroyed snow

914
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:46,039
White through idiocy? And okay, and I just don't One

915
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,280
of the kids was so angry at me for saying this,

916
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,880
But I don't think she's pretty, and I think that

917
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,000
the lead in a musical should be really beautiful. I'm

918
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,960
not a particularly beautiful person, and I understand that means

919
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,519
I would never do the lead in a musical. And

920
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,559
do you know, I just think you should pick really handsome,

921
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:08,400
beautiful people.

922
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: I like looking at interesting people, interesting faces.

923
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,199
Speaker 3: She does have a very interesting face, but she kind

924
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,199
of looks like a little scrunchy.

925
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.

926
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:23,639
Speaker 3: I don't have much, and I wasn't if I was

927
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:28,440
like incorporating my own dislike of her selfishness to arcissism.

928
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there are people that I just you know,

929
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:34,199
are in movies and I just can't I don't like them.

930
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,360
Something about them. I don't know them, but something about

931
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,400
their mannerisms or they're even their face give you a

932
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,480
person right where I off to Tom Hanks, I just

933
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,840
can't do it. With that voice and the way he

934
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,239
talks and everything. I don't like it.

935
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. So then I there's another movie

936
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,679
I only watched part of, but that's because I had

937
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,360
to turn it off because it was so immoral and

938
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,800
it was PG. Thirteen and it was called definitely maybe,

939
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,280
And it's about a dad, the guy who's married to

940
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,719
Blake Lively, one of the Ryan's, but I always get

941
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:03,480
them confused.

942
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds Reynolds, Yes.

943
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,559
Speaker 3: Yes, And so he's playing the part of a dad

944
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,239
who's explaining to his very young child who her mother is.

945
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:16,679
But she knows her mother, so it's more like he's

946
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:19,559
telling a story. And then she's gonna guess which of

947
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:23,519
the women he slept with is her mom. And I'm like,

948
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:27,880
this is so inappropriate, it's so over the top inappropriate

949
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,280
that I just had to turn it off. So we've

950
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,840
done two movies that I didn't watch fully, and then

951
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:41,519
there's a new ten years later, a new s a

952
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:47,239
new year season of The Night Manager. Oh yeah, did

953
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:47,719
you watch that?

954
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: I Thomas Verdon had the house guy in it right

955
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,360
top of Hugh Laurie does this one. I didn't think

956
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,239
this one did. And maybe he died in the first center.

957
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: He dies in the first one.

958
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: So he's Sean la Correy book The Night Pan, which

959
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,840
I think, yeah, and I.

960
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,599
Speaker 1: Know I did not watch this see.

961
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:07,599
Speaker 3: One of them, but it looks like it's good, and

962
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,599
I don't remember. Mark says, we watched the other one together,

963
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:12,800
but I don't remember that.

964
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: It's like I was watching what was I watching Bertous

965
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:20,199
and I saw that the next season's command twenty twenty

966
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,639
eight or something like that. I'm like, I can't, you

967
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,920
can't have three years. The last one of these came

968
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,679
in twenty sixteen. I can't even remember a thing, you know.

969
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,199
I have to be in shows now. I just let

970
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:31,800
them kind of run out and then watch them when

971
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,239
they're over.

972
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 3: And then anyway, So did you like that that or

973
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:37,360
Night Manager?

974
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah?

975
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: I only saw the first episode, but it was good.

976
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: Yes.

977
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: And then this one came at the recommendation of one

978
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:52,639
of the kids, but also from viewers. And I think

979
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,199
maybe you watched it two years ago, which is a

980
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:00,880
little mini series called North and South. Have you seen it?

981
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,599
Speaker 1: I think so like in the in the nineties.

982
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 3: Maybe, No, it's North and South of England.

983
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh oh, from the eighties. That's from like even before that, right, yeah.

984
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like a Pride and Prejudice with

985
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:21,039
a slightly different scenario.

986
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: Isn't it anyone famous?

987
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I did not recognize any of

988
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,840
the people, I don't think, But yeah, it's a it's

989
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,239
a minister's daughter who gets who the family moves to

990
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:36,039
an industrial town, and she's very.

991
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 2: Probably two thousand and four.

992
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was I hated her. I mean I

993
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:46,159
hated her. She really thought she was hot stuff and

994
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:50,000
she wasn't meaning like she was like getting involved in

995
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,239
labor disputes that she had no idea what she was

996
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,079
talking about, but she had never been told she was stupid,

997
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:58,679
so she just kept doing it anyway. The man in

998
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,000
the story is very much mister Darcy likes and I

999
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:05,239
do like that type, so I enjoyed it.

1000
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:11,119
Speaker 2: And he's the actor who played Thorin Oakenshield in The Hobbit.

1001
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:16,639
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think I've seen the Hobbit. I've read

1002
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:19,000
the Hobbit, but I haven't seen it.

1003
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: It's okay, i'learn that book.

1004
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 3: The book is so exciting. The spiders still every time.

1005
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,320
And then I've been playing a lot of Banana Grams

1006
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,480
with one of the kids, so that's my cultural I

1007
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,760
have a lot of cultural stuff, from March for Life

1008
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,199
to Banana Grams.

1009
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:41,639
Speaker 2: It was a very it was a very active and

1010
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,760
diverse week you had culturally, which is good.

1011
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: Again is that it we have anything else, I.

1012
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,199
Speaker 3: Want you to talk to Mark about the movie that

1013
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,039
you saw, the Paul Thomas Anderson one, because he's seen

1014
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,760
it and I think he'll be on next week, so

1015
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,559
you should talk to her about that then, because he

1016
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:05,840
had really interesting thoughts about it along with yours.

1017
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.

1018
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: Actually, David, of the things I was throwing out, I

1019
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,639
had taken like twenty five pages of notes during a

1020
00:58:15,679 --> 00:58:20,880
subsequent viewing of Magnolia in the theater, and I was like,

1021
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,199
these are really interesting notes. Clearly I thought I would

1022
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:25,960
write something and send it into Siniste or something like that.

1023
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: But I.

1024
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:31,239
Speaker 3: Was deeply moved by that movie too.

1025
00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,679
Speaker 2: There I could not watch it a second time because

1026
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:39,519
it was so sad and affecting. Right. I don't even

1027
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,159
know the actress's name who plays the abused woman. She

1028
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,000
is fantastic in that, right, and then she smiles at

1029
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,880
the very end, and you're like, this is just a bittersweet,

1030
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,199
amazing movie.

1031
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: I usually don't like kind of anthology.

1032
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,239
Speaker 2: Movies, even though they're well interconnected, but I did like

1033
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,480
that movie very much. Yeah, okay, well, it's funny papers,

1034
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:02,159
like you know how writers. I'm not saying this will

1035
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:04,800
ever happen to me. But like Harvard will take the

1036
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,519
papers of this writer or that writer, I literally have

1037
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,880
no papers. Like I just throw out everything. I'm the

1038
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,480
opposite of p O, a hoarder, you know, except for books,

1039
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:15,719
which I have a few thousand oven records and stuff

1040
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,440
like that. But as far as like papers go, cards,

1041
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,760
very I don't know. So I don't like having around.

1042
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: I know you're trying to get out of here. But

1043
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,559
just one last thing on this. I was talking to

1044
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:29,880
Mark about being a daily journalist like we are, and

1045
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:35,559
how not long lasting that work is, and I was

1046
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,760
telling him that I'm okay with this and the way

1047
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,960
that I view it. So I have all these books

1048
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,159
of theology which are really interesting and I love reading

1049
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,559
and studying and thinking about. But when you think about

1050
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:53,880
the life of an average Christian, like ninety nine point

1051
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,239
nine percent of their spiritual life is probably related in

1052
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,679
terms of what they're getting from schol is coming from

1053
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,480
their own pastor who's preaching to them each Sunday about

1054
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:10,119
the meaning of the Word. And I recognize that all

1055
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:13,079
my stuff is literally getting thrown in the trash, and

1056
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,400
in fact, the only things I'm like keeping might be

1057
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,039
related to particular things of books I've written or stories

1058
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:23,760
I'm still working on. And I'm okay with that because

1059
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,559
I think that in a similar way, the person who

1060
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:29,320
writes the long term history of a current era that

1061
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,880
will be important, but making sense of the world day

1062
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,039
to day is of vital importance as well, And you

1063
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:38,840
just have to get comfortable with the fact that you

1064
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,000
have no quote unquote legacy, that you're just trying to

1065
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,239
help people like in a day to day fashion, but

1066
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,840
that that's it, that's really important.

1067
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: I think that's fascinating, and I agree. I like to

1068
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,679
read good writing because it inspires me to try to

1069
01:00:55,679 --> 01:00:58,960
write better. So I'll go back and read columnists from

1070
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:01,760
you know, the twenties or thirties or whatever, and it's

1071
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,280
interesting to read to some extent, even Menken or someone

1072
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,639
like that. But you're like, this is pretty disposable, right,

1073
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,679
Like this is about something that I that doesn't concern

1074
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,440
us anymore. So it's interesting, and I certainly don't think

1075
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,480
anything i've ren is you know, going to you know,

1076
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,719
no one will be reading it a century from now,

1077
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,320
maybe maybe my relatives or something. So I agree that's

1078
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,920
why I don't feel And also I hate looking at

1079
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,119
anything I've written after it's published, Like, I almost never

1080
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:34,880
read it, So why do I need things like if

1081
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,239
a whole part was edited out and I didn't use it,

1082
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Like why am I saving the notes on that? I

1083
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,199
don't really need it. It wasn't good enough to be published,

1084
01:01:41,239 --> 01:01:43,199
So I don't know. That's how I think about it.

1085
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,119
And listen, I very much appreciate anyone it does read me.

1086
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:47,880
I'm not saying I like you say. It's I don't

1087
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,519
think writing about what's going on in our life. It's

1088
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:52,599
like I'm always telling people life is actually much better

1089
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:54,679
than it was in eighteen hundreds whatever. I'm always telling me.

1090
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,719
But we all live in our own world, right, and

1091
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,800
we have to make sense of what we're living in.

1092
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,280
So I get that. I think it is in a sense.

1093
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,880
I don't know how important it is, but certainly interesting,

1094
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,480
I think. But not Yeah, pretty disposable. Well that's pretty

1095
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:12,480
Actually that's a downer, Molly in any way. Well, you know,

1096
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:14,519
everyone likes to think they'll leave somewhat of a legacy.

1097
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 3: Now my legacy is my children and maybe real lives.

1098
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,079
Speaker 2: All right. If you'd like to email the show, please

1099
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:25,360
do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

1100
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:27,880
love to hear from you, and we will be back

1101
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,079
next week with Mark Hemingway.

1102
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:35,559
Speaker 3: Right, Molly, I'm recording my audio book.

1103
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that last week. We're very excited

1104
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,960
to hear I have your book. I got a copy,

1105
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:43,599
so I'll be reading it. I hear enough of you,

1106
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:44,679
so I'm not going to listen to it.

1107
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1108
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,199
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week. The Lovers of Freedom and

1109
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:51,239
Anxious for the Frame

1110
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 4: Ex