Speaker 1: Ray, We're live definitely. Yeah, thanks for doing this and
Speaker 1: sorry for postponing. I was in really difficult shape the
Speaker 1: past few days. But I think I'm going better, and
Speaker 1: I know I am because I can. I can walk
Speaker 1: around again basically unassisted, and that's a really awful feeling. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't want to belaver these things because that's depressing
Speaker 1: and it's laying. But it's fucked up man to not
Speaker 1: be able to to not to not be able to
Speaker 1: move around in your own power, you know. And I
Speaker 1: plan to be around for a minute, Well there's no guarantees,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I maybe well be around for
Speaker 1: rather thirty or forty years. And I prefer not to
Speaker 1: be wheeling around like Christopher Reeve or something. I mean,
Speaker 1: in his case, he got injured in an incredibly stupid way.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm not trying to be mean, but
Speaker 1: becoming a quadrin because you were engaged in some foppish
Speaker 1: rich guys sport and a horse like bucked you off
Speaker 1: and like broke your fucking breen. That's really stupid, you know.
Speaker 1: That's not uh, that's not like having a degenerative disease
Speaker 1: or so like being a gladiator and getting again, like
Speaker 1: hit so hard by Jack Tatum that like you just break.
Speaker 1: It's like I've become I've become skilted to Questrian. Look
Speaker 1: look at my tights and my dressage. It's like that's
Speaker 1: some fagg it shit man. You know, like, uh, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing that. I mean, I I don't know
Speaker 1: that that was a stupid rance, but I you have
Speaker 1: these kinds of thoughts that you're sick and your mind's falling.
Speaker 1: You got a feeder and you're like I can't get
Speaker 1: up and walk around. I'm like, am I gonna turn
Speaker 1: into some asshole in a wheelchair? Like not? I mean
Speaker 1: not not. People in wheels aren't assholes, but I feel
Speaker 1: like one just because and concern away and with my life.
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't feel real thrill to a dad for
Speaker 1: a few different reasons. But so and it's been on
Speaker 1: my mind. I mean, these kinds of things are always
Speaker 1: kind of on my mind conceptually because of what my
Speaker 1: subject theories are. Since I've been on YouTube, since I
Speaker 1: said up my channel, I've started I've started looking around
Speaker 1: at what political content looks like. There are more I
Speaker 1: mean both because I I want to get a sense
Speaker 1: with the album. Right of the matter is I don't
Speaker 1: totally fail at it. I mean again, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to stack up as many numbers as I
Speaker 1: can because that's bullshit and I'm not a cloud chaser,
Speaker 1: and also with the kind of thing I do with
Speaker 1: that that would never happen anyway. But to get a
Speaker 1: clear picture sort of of the state of the body
Speaker 1: politic and how these major platforms, I mean, YouTube's not
Speaker 1: properly social media, but it does have that aspect. I've started,
Speaker 1: you know, and I watch YouTube a lot, but it's
Speaker 1: curated stuff like I'll watch Military ninety forty five or
Speaker 1: I'll watch which is some of these restored high depth
Speaker 1: videos from the thurn Reich. I'll watch, you know, World
Speaker 1: War one stuff or something. And I'll watch podcasts like
Speaker 1: the Event Horizon Pod. But I don't consume a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of content. They're a putical nature rather
Speaker 1: than Sean Ryan and prior Tuck. But so I'm doing
Speaker 1: more of it, and there's an overwhelmed the overwhelming amount
Speaker 1: of it. I haven't coded it, but it's got to
Speaker 1: be it's got to be over seventy percent. It's got
Speaker 1: to be close to three quardin eighty percent of the
Speaker 1: politically coded content, it's anti woke stuff that's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent about Hollywood I peas, or about what's on TV,
Speaker 1: or about what some legacy media infotainment anchor is signaling,
Speaker 1: or what Stephen Kolbert is saying, you know, And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you're approaching it as this is you know what
Speaker 1: legacy media is saying. We've got a lot of touch
Speaker 1: they are, or this is how they're trying to characterize
Speaker 1: or piece questions, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, that that
Speaker 1: that makes sense, you know, especially if you're a media analyst,
Speaker 1: and I'm not. You know, I'm a dad and junkie,
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I don't deal in media primarily. But
Speaker 1: that's not what it is. It's these guys saying this
Speaker 1: is an outrage because I love Star Trek and the
Speaker 1: woke Marxists are ruining it. And I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: kind of lame anyway, especially if you're a grown man,
Speaker 1: I understand if it was like teenagers or something. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was never then invested in ips like from the
Speaker 1: time like after I after I stop and obsessed with
Speaker 1: you know things like like tabletop games and kids stuff.
Speaker 1: I kind of beget obsessed with the shitomen do now,
Speaker 1: like rock and roll and Third Reich and stuff. And
Speaker 1: maybe that means like a stunted man. But I mean
Speaker 1: my point being, even though I like stuff like Battlestar
Speaker 1: Galactic or like Mad Cross Saga, that I wasn't like
Speaker 1: invested in it, like it was like religion or something,
Speaker 1: because they'd be fucked up. But these guys are, and
Speaker 1: they're convinced that the cooler comp venue is is pop
Speaker 1: cultural stuff. And aside the fact, I mean we could
Speaker 1: I don't want to be cliche and talk about how
Speaker 1: yeah you know, or be some containers old person be like, go,
Speaker 1: if you know you're over twenty one, you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: into that shuit or whatever. But I mean that case
Speaker 1: could be made. But these guys, they their entire worldview
Speaker 1: and the way they view authority, the way they view potentialities,
Speaker 1: it's totally tethered due regime authority and adjacent elements like
Speaker 1: legacy media. Like that's why would people ask like somethings
Speaker 1: when it's a landmark or whatever. It's like outen about,
Speaker 1: like guys and girls will strike up conversations with me
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of an unusual looking person to be
Speaker 1: Sura and the last one I'm into and obviously I
Speaker 1: you know, other than flying the flag, I do like
Speaker 1: I don't have discuss that kind of stuff with him,
Speaker 1: but you know, I I don't know what to tell him, man,
Speaker 1: because it's like, I'm not into the shig you're end
Speaker 1: like the novelists I like, or guys who are friends,
Speaker 1: like other than Shane Stevens and you know, uh, Gustave
Speaker 1: Hasford and and stuff like that, the novelists Of'm into
Speaker 1: our dudes, I know, and like you'll preay con it with.
Speaker 1: I don't like read Harry Potter or watch Yellowstone or
Speaker 1: there's some stupid ip that I'm like all invested in.
Speaker 1: And honestly that's not some too cool over school code
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not some new fangled thing. Man
Speaker 1: like dude he got a lot of respect for is
Speaker 1: you know Johnny Rotten, he's like a good dude and
Speaker 1: he's he's the good kind of irishman you know, uh
Speaker 1: who calls people out on ship, you know, without filter,
Speaker 1: you know, and the whole when they when they canceled
Speaker 1: him or tried to, you know, Johnny ronwel thing. The
Speaker 1: way he presented it is, he's like, you know, we
Speaker 1: were trying to create an alternative to the system and
Speaker 1: what it was putting out because the system was trying
Speaker 1: to wipe away actual culture, because that's the basis of descent,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh Lion has got an interting backstory
Speaker 1: because he grew up in a genuine white ghetto and
Speaker 1: his parents were Irish immigrants I think originally settled at Mercyside,
Speaker 1: didn't end up in London, you know. But and that's
Speaker 1: that's when people didn't particularly like Irish people in London.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure now you can still go to mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can go to places on the mainland
Speaker 1: where that's still the case, but it's probably more in
Speaker 1: kind of like loyalists strongholds and stuff, you know, in Scotland.
Speaker 1: But you know the whole, if you don't like what
Speaker 1: the system is doing, if you're actually opposed to it,
Speaker 1: you do exactly that. You do what these early punk
Speaker 1: guys did and say what they're putting out on the
Speaker 1: radio is garbage. We're gonna preate our own ship that
Speaker 1: we think is cool. You know, and there was a
Speaker 1: lot of that, I mean been in Italy in Europe,
Speaker 1: especially visual art, but other kinds of creative activity that's
Speaker 1: got an outsized impact on the political in a way
Speaker 1: it doesn't in America. But that's why it's such a
Speaker 1: joke when these bougies and these regime at Jason historians,
Speaker 1: they pretend like the fascists or the National Socialists were
Speaker 1: these mitt Romney guys who were who wanted to censor things.
Speaker 1: It's like, these were the dudes you people censor. It
Speaker 1: was literally an artist, like the dudes who constituted like
Speaker 1: the March on Rome. It was a bunch of it was,
Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was a bunch of self
Speaker 1: identified out laws and artists and futurists who wanted and
Speaker 1: you know, war veterans who developed a contempt for the
Speaker 1: stability and the conceits of bourgeois life, you know, because
Speaker 1: their forwud of experiences of teenagers and young men was
Speaker 1: in the trenches. You know. This is something that normies
Speaker 1: can never understand. And it plays in obviously to the
Speaker 1: fact too that these fools, and most of whom admittedly
Speaker 1: like live exclusively online, but some of them are plugged
Speaker 1: into packs and stuff. You know, these guys being like
Speaker 1: the plan trusters who Trump could literally like rape their
Speaker 1: sister in front of them, and they say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: for everybody Trump's doward it, here's his reasons. But they
Speaker 1: they're obsessed with this idea that you can't possibly go
Speaker 1: outside the parameters of the extent structure. And it's side
Speaker 1: of the fact that that's historically obsolescent, Like why the
Speaker 1: fuck would you want to involve yourself with that anyway?
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's a litmus test, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're not if you if you're obsessed with abiding convention
Speaker 1: is defined by regime authority, you know, you're you're a
Speaker 1: bougie fuck who's obsessed with fitting in and not making
Speaker 1: waves and god forbid breaking the law, you know. And
Speaker 1: those people have nothing to do with us. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're the opposite of us. They they think that we
Speaker 1: should be locked up, you know, And that's I know,
Speaker 1: people come down on me too for talking about bougie
Speaker 1: sensibilities because they can't think outside the box. They think
Speaker 1: that's just like some term or something. But you don't understand,
Speaker 1: like well, street people and rich people in other words,
Speaker 1: people with hustle, they don't think that way. It's only
Speaker 1: trashy strivers who are obsessed with clout and are obsessed
Speaker 1: with what randoms are gonna think about them, and who
Speaker 1: who love the police for their for its own sake.
Speaker 1: They're the people who think that way, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's why everybody, that's why everybody dumps on them, because
Speaker 1: they're fucking assholes, you know, like they're it's.
Speaker 2: A wealthy A wealthy person is A wealthy person is
Speaker 2: only interested in the regime to see how they can
Speaker 2: use it, either for they can use their wealth to
Speaker 2: either make sure that it doesn't touch them or that
Speaker 2: it can somehow benefit them. But that doesn't necessarily I mean,
Speaker 2: you're a rich person, you know, like Miriam Adelson or
Speaker 2: something like that. You think she actually worships politicians, think
Speaker 2: she actually worships cops. No, she has utter disdain for them.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also too if you were, if you were
Speaker 1: a rich guy or lady, the police work for you
Speaker 1: such that you have anything to do with them. But
Speaker 1: like something I realized separates me from bougiees. What kind
Speaker 1: of a person, what kind of a rational adult man?
Speaker 1: A woman calls the police, as if there's some conflict
Speaker 1: resolution service, like no hood dude, no fucking outlaw lait dude,
Speaker 1: and no, no, no rich guy would ever do that,
Speaker 1: because if you do that, you're a complete fuckhead. And
Speaker 1: it's also just not the way adults think, like you're
Speaker 1: gonna go tell the teacher, like you you call the
Speaker 1: police on yourself because somebody hurt your feelings or you
Speaker 1: can't sort your own shit out. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: the fuck's wrong with you? You know. Anybody who thinks
Speaker 1: that way, their epistemic priors are fucked, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're not. They're they're not educable. You know. That was
Speaker 1: that was Metzger's old point, and he was he was
Speaker 1: right about that. And that's just one Uh that that's
Speaker 1: just one example. And I'm not I don't care to
Speaker 1: goorically hate the police despite the fam. I mean, I
Speaker 1: never call them. I don't trust them. But uh, one
Speaker 1: of the fellows who's coming to he's coming by to
Speaker 1: meet me because he's in town visiting family. He is
Speaker 1: a police, you know, and he's a good dude. I mean,
Speaker 1: I uh, there's as my wife, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: open up to him, but it's kind of the way
Speaker 1: I'm with everybody who's not you know, like somebody who's
Speaker 1: a true friend of mine. But uh, you know, people,
Speaker 1: I don't like it when people is trying to dismiss
Speaker 1: what I say is if I'm some police hater because
Speaker 1: of the way I live my life and stuff and
Speaker 1: because of my background.
Speaker 2: Well, I told me, guy told me years ago, probably
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. He's the only reason to call the
Speaker 2: police is if like your bank account gets hacked and
Speaker 2: you have to fill out a police report to like
Speaker 2: get the insurance on it, because only or.
Speaker 1: If you blastom guy breaking in your house and it's like,
Speaker 1: well I'm calling you, you don't claim I just fucking
Speaker 1: murdered this guy in cold blood. There's a dead body
Speaker 1: in my fucking front lawn. But yeah, and I called
Speaker 1: my lawyer before I called the police. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Still, and if you're a single
Speaker 1: woman in the big city or something, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about that. I'm talking about these dickheads where it's like
Speaker 1: you will looked at me wrong. I'm gonna call the
Speaker 1: police because I'm a because I'm a white nigger, goyous fuckhead,
Speaker 1: like Uh, you know, I'd like if I actually pose
Speaker 1: that question in normies who pulled that on me? It
Speaker 1: hadn't happened lately, but that probably is gonna happen again soon.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm calling the police, and I say, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously I bounce immediately. I'm not gonna like
Speaker 1: wait around to like hash this out in the conversation
Speaker 1: with the fucking police is. But I say, like, what
Speaker 1: exactly are you gonna tell them? And they give this
Speaker 1: like the fuddled look where it's like in their in
Speaker 1: their in their little mind, it's like you offended me
Speaker 1: or hurt my feels. So if of course I'm calling
Speaker 1: the police because they're they're the teacher and they're gonna
Speaker 1: make you do math problems on the truck board or
Speaker 1: wrap your knuckles or something, you know, But I they
Speaker 1: should be an obvious point, but it's not, and it
Speaker 1: plays into a broader thing. Man. You realize how not
Speaker 1: on side these people are. Like I remember, like when
Speaker 1: I right before I got out of law school, that's
Speaker 1: when these freaks were. That's when they're big fetish was
Speaker 1: pretending that there's something that exists called gay marriage. So
Speaker 1: when people would ask you about it, I'd say, well,
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist, like what you ought to say about it,
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. It's a marriage is a categorically discreet sacrament.
Speaker 1: Then not the state can't declare that the non existence
Speaker 1: of something in human societies is an example of invidious
Speaker 1: discrimination and then steak it into reality. I'm like, if
Speaker 1: you think that judges, can you eight human sacramental practices
Speaker 1: by speaking them? Well, you think you think judges are sorcerers?
Speaker 1: Are they some like supreme or been a council their
Speaker 1: holy men? I mean that the government could say tomorrow
Speaker 1: that you know, grass isn't green, it is blue, Like,
Speaker 1: why why would I care? So people acting like they're
Speaker 1: gonna ruin marriage? I'm like, why what this is? This
Speaker 1: is not whing the government's purview, and it's like a
Speaker 1: masturdity anyway. And it'd be like if it'd be like
Speaker 1: if I said, you know, there's no human societies that
Speaker 1: hold funerals for living people. That's because they're denying a
Speaker 1: live people of the festive celebration and the sober reverence
Speaker 1: given to dead people. That's discrimination. You know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see to it that the local magistrate issues
Speaker 1: a declaratory judgment that living people have a human right
Speaker 1: to a funeral. Okay, I mean if I so I
Speaker 1: walked outside and there was people enjoying funerals who all lives.
Speaker 1: If they were like a little taving a birthday party,
Speaker 1: those people are disturbed, or they're really really really fucking stupid,
Speaker 1: or they're just delusional, like this idea that government can
Speaker 1: annihilate culture to a declaratory judgments and some crazy Jewish
Speaker 1: judge like, I don't understand how people think that way,
Speaker 1: but they do. You know. That's why a bunch of
Speaker 1: these queers who like want to buy PC Principal hexf
Speaker 1: soiled underwear and stuff these like these like these like
Speaker 1: closet socket, sausage, jockey vet, burros and stuff. They're like
Speaker 1: all peeing in their pants and super happy because they're
Speaker 1: like PC Principle ended woke. I'm like, well, what do
Speaker 1: they do? Is the military's mandate no longer to enforce
Speaker 1: social engineering by violence? Did he removed out pressing them
Speaker 1: with sexuals and females from the military. No, he said
Speaker 1: he can do a lot of push ups, and he
Speaker 1: he drops Instagram videos of him lifting weights like some
Speaker 1: little kid and uh then he says that he's like
Speaker 1: a billy badass war fighter, and like that's it to
Speaker 1: these people, you know, because they're like, yeah, see, like
Speaker 1: the last guy he was talking about woke stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: it's uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, HEGs up, got rid of the woke stuff. Now
Speaker 2: it's just uh double the punishment if you make a
Speaker 2: ju show. Yeah what else he didn't get rid of
Speaker 2: the woke stuff? Like he's he's in principle, you know,
Speaker 2: like he'll he'll like threaten to like physically assault you
Speaker 2: if you like make a sexist joke or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's his that's his angle, that's his jive. But I
Speaker 2: mean the fact is, I mean, anybody who thinks the
Speaker 2: military's cool at all, it's like fucked in the head,
Speaker 2: like I.
Speaker 1: You know, it'd be uh it'd be like uh like
Speaker 1: any self identify like you know, I'm pro white, right wing,
Speaker 1: but I love the US military. It'd be like a
Speaker 1: commandsche being like I love the cavalry. It was awesome
Speaker 1: when like they told me fucked up my way of
Speaker 1: what like you know. So that's why people need I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why anybody who claims me on side needs to
Speaker 1: cut ties with this bullshit, you know, and that's not
Speaker 1: I and I mean that's to be clear. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just a complicated point. But it is reducible to
Speaker 1: some precepts that should be fair leaded in brass human psychology.
Speaker 1: It's it's highly symbolic conceptually. It's that's part of the
Speaker 1: way the mind structures the world, you know, as it
Speaker 1: receives inputs. You know, it'd be interesting to see how
Speaker 1: if you know, like if there was truly somebody who
Speaker 1: was availed the centric deprivation, like how that would shake out.
Speaker 1: I don't mean like some stupid fancy story like like
Speaker 1: the Helen Keller story that was someone pushed by old
Speaker 1: anglophone socialists and new dealers. I mean if there actually
Speaker 1: was a man or a woman of high intelligence who
Speaker 1: went blinding definitely on or was otherwise availed the centric deprivation,
Speaker 1: like what neural pathways would develop and how symbolic psychology
Speaker 1: would shake out within their own conceptual in our life.
Speaker 1: But those kind of thought experiments aside, you know, people
Speaker 1: they'd become attached instinctively to this idea that the authority
Speaker 1: that they can witness an experience or tangibly brush up
Speaker 1: against this. That's kind of their stand in for that,
Speaker 1: That's kind of their stand in for God. You know.
Speaker 1: That's also why even people you'd think would know better
Speaker 1: when they talk about government solutions. It's not just as
Speaker 1: if these things can resolve social problems or or or
Speaker 1: material deprivation or things of that nature. It's not just that.
Speaker 1: It's not just a divide between Keensians and supply siders.
Speaker 1: It's people literally thinking that there's something miraculous about the
Speaker 1: ability of government to render outcomes, you know, in sociological
Speaker 1: and material terms, and that that doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 1: you know whatsoever. And vanguardists don't think that way because
Speaker 1: by definition, they don't just reject the legitimacy of the
Speaker 1: regime they live under. They they don't view it as
Speaker 1: anything other than a configuration of power that is, has
Speaker 1: become permanent owing to accommodation of historical conditions and deliberate contrivances.
Speaker 1: You know. They may have other conceptual biases, you know,
Speaker 1: even take like the Probos in Northern Ireland. They believe
Speaker 1: that tiluricy utopia of their own at argue. But even
Speaker 1: that I think was probably tempered by the reality of
Speaker 1: you know, a thirty year cycle of of partisan warfare.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's a combinated question. Let me say
Speaker 1: cology is as a partisan with respect to state craft
Speaker 1: and the symbolic aspects of of the lyric authority and
Speaker 1: political power.
Speaker 2: But stay on utopia for a second there, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: seems it seems like that is Yep. There are a
Speaker 2: bunch of people who are running around who are so
Speaker 2: ideologically possessed that anything short of their like they believe
Speaker 2: that they they're basically advocating for their utopia and nothing less,
Speaker 2: and they don't want to do anything to achieve that
Speaker 2: or try to make it happen other than post online.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they're not they're not actually engaged, you know.
Speaker 1: And and that's also that that's pure political theology becau.
Speaker 1: It's not just faith based, but it doesn't entail antial practice.
Speaker 1: It's like the set of rigid conceptual prejudices and secularized values.
Speaker 1: It nevertheless are gopsude to religious paradigm within the minds
Speaker 1: of the congrean.
Speaker 2: But if you're advocating, if you're advocating for your utopia online,
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you doing other than trying to
Speaker 2: say that you can reach that utopia by trying to
Speaker 2: take a hold of the existing regime, which by advocating
Speaker 2: for a utopia, you're saying that you want to just
Speaker 2: you know, you want to overthrow. Unless you're so delusional
Speaker 2: that you think that you can have your utopia within
Speaker 2: regime framework.
Speaker 1: Well, no, they're not even there's not even that sophisticated
Speaker 1: conceptual practice behind this. It's like you and Anthony Ramundo
Speaker 1: said when you when you set off these libertarian guys.
Speaker 1: These weren't a bunch of these weren't a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys with the hustle or small businessmen and or private
Speaker 1: equity guys even or anything. There's like weirdo pothead guys
Speaker 1: like living off some women who were like saying weirdo
Speaker 1: shit online and they were doing that. They were nothing
Speaker 1: to help people resist, you know, the the covid mannis
Speaker 1: and things, because it's not what it's about way and
Speaker 1: it's not like weird cult and uh, they're waiting for
Speaker 1: some that's also one of these guys. A lot of
Speaker 1: these guys are like goofy preppers even though they're even
Speaker 1: though they go they don't know a name about homesteading,
Speaker 1: and they're not like country guys because it's they got
Speaker 1: this like delude story or this apocalypse narrative where there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some punctuated event where all these things are
Speaker 1: gonna come to pass that they want to happen by
Speaker 1: way of you know, punctuated equilibrium. And I mean again
Speaker 1: it is it's just like faith based bullshit, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's hanging.
Speaker 2: Around the go about the Libertarians hanging around them. What
Speaker 2: I really started to understand after a while was that
Speaker 2: they were creating these packs and they wanted to take
Speaker 2: over the Libertarian Party, which is a it is a
Speaker 2: registered political party that gets money, YadA YadA, for one reason.
Speaker 2: They were all they basically wanted a job to get
Speaker 2: paid for doing nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that was yeah as the only I mean there
Speaker 2: was sure. I knew a couple of people in there
Speaker 2: who were successful in their private life. They had you know,
Speaker 2: they were successful in they had jobs, they had businesses,
Speaker 2: they had careers. But for the most part, it was
Speaker 2: people who really hated their jobs and saw this as
Speaker 2: an opportunity to basically have a job where they didn't
Speaker 2: really have to do anything. And then when you started
Speaker 2: digging into it, you found out, oh, if you know
Speaker 2: some guy and and it was just basically they were
Speaker 2: they were complaining about the regime while getting a job
Speaker 2: in the party and then getting grant money from the
Speaker 2: party for your wife or girlfriend and just doing exactly
Speaker 2: what the regime does.
Speaker 1: Well they that's libertarianism has always been a cult. If
Speaker 1: you're not you know, I one of the things like
Speaker 1: younger is because I, you know, I I relate to that.
Speaker 1: And there's also a medical practice there. And if you're
Speaker 1: a you know, and and and and anarchism do you
Speaker 1: won't realize that anarchism was a serious tendency. I mean,
Speaker 1: they blew up the reason why we got the you know,
Speaker 1: uh new Federal Court ausm ultimately became the the Dermsen Center,
Speaker 1: and then they literally blew up the old Chicago Federal Court.
Speaker 1: But anarchism, it is a real tendency, you know, that
Speaker 1: has a practice behind it. And the cynical is or
Speaker 1: worth reading, including George Sorell, who's underappreciated political theorist, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of convergence there, Like the reason why these
Speaker 1: guys don't identify with Dad is because first of all,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're basically Midwa bougies. That's why they're into
Speaker 1: garbage like an orand and but they're also they're fixated
Speaker 1: on these positive liberties that they that they think are
Speaker 1: so important, whether it's smoking weed, and I guess that's
Speaker 1: kind of not their thing anymore because now you can
Speaker 1: smoke weed without getting heat from the law, or like
Speaker 1: it's some like weird sex paraphilia or or some bullshit
Speaker 1: like that, you know, because it's totally cult coded, you know.
Speaker 1: I I'm a I'm probably the most anti government person
Speaker 1: I know. I can't think of anything I have in
Speaker 1: common with libertarians, including first and foremost too, like why
Speaker 1: it's like why why do you guys have a party
Speaker 1: like that? That doesn't make me sense in America anyway,
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, I do hope people really think
Speaker 1: I'm being a petant, but it's it's asinine that people
Speaker 1: pretend that the Democrats and Republicans are parties they're not,
Speaker 1: you know, and single member districts and the entire way
Speaker 1: the and a winner take all system, I mean, the
Speaker 1: constitutionally America structure so that there won't be political parties,
Speaker 1: that's by design, you know. And plus, I mean, like
Speaker 1: the feat it's it's it's it's it's counterintuitive or or
Speaker 1: it's an oxy moron. I'm going to start a political
Speaker 1: party to challenge for elections to get rid of the government.
Speaker 1: So like my policy, you want to get into the
Speaker 1: government and create this whole glorwal apparatus is we're gonna
Speaker 1: like shut down the government. We're gonna use our political
Speaker 1: party in this whole apparatus to shut down the government
Speaker 1: that we just gotta see what didn't do Like that,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's like Brady's fire department that starts fires,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like too, I mean again, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like, okay, if you're so nowadays, I'm always
Speaker 1: emphasizing and I'm old enough to have witnessed this transition
Speaker 1: for decades. The mobility of capital and the availability of
Speaker 1: information and present sense awareness to the second and not
Speaker 1: the millisecond. This changed everything. If you want to quit
Speaker 1: regime ship, you can. You know, you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of freedom to do stuff now. So I think if
Speaker 1: you're Joe libertarian, and even if I think you're in
Speaker 1: a dumb stuff, I want to smoke a bunch of
Speaker 1: pot and like screw a bunch of girls. Okay, so
Speaker 1: go do that, Like why who's stopping you from doing that?
Speaker 1: You know, But again that's not what it's about to them.
Speaker 1: I mean that's part of its They got juvenile interest,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's this aerosots religion, well, eco plyitical feology.
Speaker 2: Well anybody who has leftist sndencies and leftist inclinations, it wants.
Speaker 1: Wants it to be.
Speaker 2: They know that, they know for a fact that it's
Speaker 2: against nature and it's unnatural, and they want they're looking
Speaker 2: for somebody to say, yes, this is okay. And that's
Speaker 2: why you always see you have to have gay marriage,
Speaker 2: you have to have you know, prostitution is good. All
Speaker 2: this stuff has to be good because they know deep
Speaker 2: down inside that it's not and they need so they
Speaker 2: have to advertise it and they have to try to
Speaker 2: advocate it for it politically so that people can say, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: you're okay with this, Like when you look at libertarians everything,
Speaker 2: when advocate for something, it's like literally the only wins
Speaker 2: that they ever get are things that help the regime.
Speaker 2: Of course, the regime never gives them a never gives
Speaker 2: them what they want. Which is to weaken itself so
Speaker 2: they can be like, oh, we were for gay marriage
Speaker 2: before everybody else was for game. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 2: Trump says that too, we were for gay marriage before
Speaker 2: everybody else was for gay marriage. Yeah, how's that working out?
Speaker 1: What's awesome? I mean anybody, you know, again, anybody would
Speaker 1: anybody who had a serious anarchist sensibility or a liberty
Speaker 1: oriented sensibility and the classical sense would be demanding. I mean,
Speaker 1: the irs needs to go away before anything else happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's both just like naked theft
Speaker 1: of capital and it's a terror mechanism, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean that's so Yeah, I mean they're not serious, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a boogie thing, like they need the teacher
Speaker 1: to tell them that they're not being naughty, you know.
Speaker 1: And again like I I'm sure this sounds like some
Speaker 1: contrary and bullshit or something. But if if they're a
Speaker 1: Gene liked me, and if if normanis liked me, I'd
Speaker 1: know that I was kind of fucked up. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: kind of my metory. You know.
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want some Zionists. I don't
Speaker 2: want some Zionists on Twitter praising me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't want I don't want the government
Speaker 1: telling me that, like the stuff I'm into is cool
Speaker 1: or you know, you you shouldn't go out of your
Speaker 1: way to flaunt the law or pick fights with the
Speaker 1: police or do foolish you know, decide you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna go out and be some gangster and get Richard.
Speaker 1: I trying, but you've got to be cornicled with being
Speaker 1: an outlaw. And in fact, I mean you should be
Speaker 1: more than carnival whether it should be kind of like
Speaker 1: a core aspect of your sensibility, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, that's that's why the that's
Speaker 1: why the original punk ethos. I mean that that sounds
Speaker 1: corny because so many people can book that ship in
Speaker 1: like stupid ways. But you know, rock and roll uh
Speaker 1: is uh dangerous. That's why the regime is always trying
Speaker 1: to crush it. Like I as far as I like
Speaker 1: Merurle Allen, I'm just like a kind of into his
Speaker 1: stuff because I like seeing old guys are still at it.
Speaker 1: Who who can who where the minority can pull it off?
Speaker 1: But also he's into kind of the same sort of
Speaker 1: stuff I am. And when we went to see the
Speaker 1: Murdered Junkies play last summer down at Reggie's on the
Speaker 1: South Side, that's kind as what I talked to him about,
Speaker 1: you know, like because I bought some of his shirts
Speaker 1: and stuff, and uh, I'm just like yeah, man, I'm like,
Speaker 1: uh you know, I'm like, I it's Stipe that you
Speaker 1: know you play year because we wanted to come see
Speaker 1: you for a minute. He's like, oh yeah, He's like
Speaker 1: I always played Chicago, always played Detroit, you know, because
Speaker 1: we always get a lot of love here. And I'm
Speaker 1: like yeah, man, and uh I I talked to him
Speaker 1: for a minute. Uh, and like I bought like three
Speaker 1: shirt from him, and then like I tipped him like
Speaker 1: twenty bucks just we're playing on like an awesome show.
Speaker 1: You really appreciated that because I frankly like the kinds
Speaker 1: of guys all the murder Jonki, He's like, never any
Speaker 1: fucking money, let's be honest, you know what. Uh no, man,
Speaker 1: And I didn't come out of like a heavy political tip,
Speaker 1: but uh, you know I was wearing look at Johnny thundershirt.
Speaker 1: So we were talking about like alphabet city and stuff.
Speaker 1: Back in the early nineties because that periodically the video
Speaker 1: the last day of his brother's life, of gd Ellen's life,
Speaker 1: this is this. This was nineteen ninety three and it
Speaker 1: was at this shithole venue called the gas Station in
Speaker 1: Alphabet City, and I mean that's when it was supposed aboucalyptic.
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're in New York or you know
Speaker 1: what it was like and some guy or some girl
Speaker 1: had some old, bulky like sony camcorder and was filming
Speaker 1: everything that was happening, and Gigen is Entourage and all
Speaker 1: these crazy annicts and punks and skinheads like fighting with
Speaker 1: the police and stuff. Then uh it goes on for
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. But then uh, like it's been on
Speaker 1: YouTube forever. It's some some choppedup version of it, but uh,
Speaker 1: it period even goes viral because some nornie finds it
Speaker 1: there one of the four Chan wackos just uh decides
Speaker 1: he wants to it to circulate again or something. But uh, no,
Speaker 1: I was talking about we were talking about how how
Speaker 1: how putic we charged. Uh the scene was back then
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh yeah, you know, he's like, it's
Speaker 1: you know, nothing like today. And he's like, uh, he's
Speaker 1: a guy, was he people are thirsty for something because
Speaker 1: he's like, we got Kat's house here. Merles like, it's
Speaker 1: not just us playing. You know, we had three other
Speaker 1: bands playing before us. We're local guys, and you know
Speaker 1: it was, uh, it was mostly youngsters there. You know,
Speaker 1: I was, Uh, I was one of the older guys
Speaker 1: on deck man, you know. And that's uh, that's that,
Speaker 1: that's that that pattern is discernible, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: there's always a resistance element to popular culture. That's why
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why to bring it back. I
Speaker 1: realized that none of these supposedly like anti woke guys
Speaker 1: are on side because they they think the stuff that
Speaker 1: like I'm into is fucked up. You know, they want
Speaker 1: to why they're mad because they want Star Wars to
Speaker 1: not have gross like gay stuff in it, or they
Speaker 1: they think like they think they're like Green Day is
Speaker 1: a great band or something, or they you know, they're uh,
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a conversation that uh we
Speaker 1: want to be part of because it's it's it's boozy
Speaker 1: shit man, Like it's uh, it'd be like a bunch
Speaker 1: of provos or a bunch of uh black shirts like uh,
Speaker 1: seeking out a bunch of social democrats, UH like hang
Speaker 1: out and fucking bullshit with them about like the the
Speaker 1: text regime or something, or you know, it's like why
Speaker 1: why the fund will we do that? You know? I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's why it's a positive thing, man. I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's not positive when dudes actually are on
Speaker 1: side or excuse me, I'm still pretty sick. It's not
Speaker 1: positive when dudes actually are on side or curating bad
Speaker 1: blood and stuff. That's one of the reasons why I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna formally structure my own thing, you know,
Speaker 1: to like in part because I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that's this was proper. But I think it's also gonna
Speaker 1: eat some of the tension, you know. But what is
Speaker 1: positive is, uh, you know, if if the coalition that
Speaker 1: uh carried Trump into office in twenty sixteen, if that's fracturing,
Speaker 1: that's not a bad thing, man, because like, what what
Speaker 1: mattered about it was the fact that the solent majority.
Speaker 1: That was the real that was the real point at
Speaker 1: which where the solent majority robbed the regime of its legitimacy.
Speaker 1: I mean that had been that had been developing for
Speaker 1: a couple of decades. I'd argue since the mid nineties,
Speaker 1: but that's when it actually happened. Trump the guy was
Speaker 1: never important. This idea of it was so great that
Speaker 1: we look at Trump, We've got to preserve this clos
Speaker 1: all cost It's like, no, you're not in the game.
Speaker 1: You don't. You don't get it because the the proverbial, Uh,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't undo these sorts of happenings. You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't restore legitimacy. I mean, really, the only way
Speaker 1: the government can return to the credibility it had under
Speaker 1: Reagan and the last gas bat was really when when
Speaker 1: Bush's approval was like skyrocketed, decide unseen since the CANi
Speaker 1: year immediately after the Gulf War. Okay, but that there
Speaker 1: was a whole restructuring in America after nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: sixty nine, seventy, you know, I mean that that's what
Speaker 1: catapulted Nixon into office, and they realized, uh, they had
Speaker 1: to abide a personage like Reagan, otherwise they all legitimately
Speaker 1: would have been forfeit. And they couldn't afford to roll
Speaker 1: the dice on that during peak Cold War because that
Speaker 1: would have seeded the that that that that that would
Speaker 1: have seeded the planet to the communists, frankly, and that
Speaker 1: changes everything. But you know, the there's never going to
Speaker 1: be a return to the way things were before. And
Speaker 1: if there was a more flexible system, if a system
Speaker 1: was in place, not unlike existed. Uh, from about the
Speaker 1: Grant administration until Wilson's first term, the the political culture
Speaker 1: was a lot more malleable, you know what I mean there.
Speaker 1: I mean, things were totally different then. But despite what
Speaker 1: people say, what isolationism America was, America wasn't world power.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, you know.
Speaker 2: But it was so malleable that Pale Settlement's Jewics to
Speaker 2: come in here and basically take it over.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that that that was that was a
Speaker 1: revolutionary and imperative by the New Dealers, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1: And part of that was, oh do the war between
Speaker 1: the States having crushed what was the have been the
Speaker 1: sort of natural immunity to the kind of subversion. I mean,
Speaker 1: I grew there ganulty that the true the moment at
Speaker 1: which uh, the U a political right wing was was
Speaker 1: was just eradicated was the War between the States. It
Speaker 1: wasn't seventeen eighty nine and then what happened in Europe
Speaker 1: was the reaction to that, because you know, there was
Speaker 1: an entire nexus the causation that touched and concerned everything
Speaker 1: that ensued subsequently. And uh, well so I mean it
Speaker 1: had Uh it's easy to imagine too. You know, an
Speaker 1: a an America allied with the Kaiser, right if the
Speaker 1: wars of Stage dragged on and became a quagmire that
Speaker 1: was never resolved. I obviously you know only his politics.
Speaker 1: Heuse some he's some old school jew socialists, but uh
Speaker 1: they guy Harry Turtle Dub He's written some stuff that's
Speaker 1: just silly, like the World War series with these like
Speaker 1: aliens assault during Word War two. It's fucking stupid. But
Speaker 1: he he's written some compelling stuff, and one of which
Speaker 1: was where the warm in the States ends in the
Speaker 1: stalemate and the borderlands like Missouri and Bleeding Kansas, there's
Speaker 1: kind of permanent, low key, h low intensity warfare going on.
Speaker 1: Then when World War One breaks out, the Confederacy backs
Speaker 1: the UK and France and the Union becomes solidly allied
Speaker 1: with the kaiser Reich. You know, so you've got Union
Speaker 1: troops fighting on behalf. The Union joins the German offensive
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighteen, and then the Confederates are holding a
Speaker 1: line in France nor in a northeastern France to try
Speaker 1: and stop the assault which would have happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Confederates had a lot better relations with the UK
Speaker 1: than an American. Did you know this idea that the
Speaker 1: Trent Affair I don't agree with. You get some revisionists
Speaker 1: A G. B. Taylor wasn't really revisionist, but he so
Speaker 1: head out to the story and is going to Trent
Speaker 1: affair could have led to a naval shooting war between
Speaker 1: the Crown and the United States, And I don't accept that.
Speaker 1: But relations were not good. But because it may you
Speaker 1: know that to the point we were discussing, I mean
Speaker 1: that kind of facial was interesting anyway, but the contrary
Speaker 1: was very much at a proverbial decision point from the
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies until the nineteen teens that there there could
Speaker 1: have been a number of different outcomes. You know, we
Speaker 1: was not set in stone in any way. But the uh,
Speaker 1: I know you're not wrong. I mean, there's there there's
Speaker 1: a reason that the subversion of of a political culture
Speaker 1: by a hostile element that insinuates itself is a new elite. Uh.
Speaker 1: That doesn't happen by accident, and it doesn't happen where
Speaker 1: there's a robust legitimacy enjoyed by a government serving a
Speaker 1: basically united body politics. But there's complicated factors there. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I the the consolidation of the
Speaker 1: Westphalian state as it reaches true zenith, that was the
Speaker 1: handmade in the Jewish power. That's hot a Rents point too,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of a Westphalian system or a state
Speaker 1: system as we know it, like like core Jews, they
Speaker 1: don't have any political power. You know, I went to
Speaker 1: the other day, is what the joke when people like
Speaker 1: Cromwell was a bad man because he didn't like Pooram Jews.
Speaker 1: It's like, why why would he care? Like what the
Speaker 1: fucking house the Stewart and the Jews had going on?
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't these kings didn't ban the Askanasam from
Speaker 1: their countries because they you know, they they were they
Speaker 1: were doing it for Christ and for the the English
Speaker 1: race or something they were doing. They don't want to
Speaker 1: pay their fucking bills. I guess why, you know, why,
Speaker 1: why why would Cromwell care about that? You know, that
Speaker 1: that was interestingly, I mean that was uh that that
Speaker 1: was the only things about in Leers uh spelt the
Speaker 1: way he did about his lom as a historical tendency,
Speaker 1: you know they I mean you usually he's a big,
Speaker 1: a big crime traditionally, and Daryl is lamb. But also
Speaker 1: any any any any Saltan who was borrowing money from
Speaker 1: from uh Jewish lenders, he he would have his head
Speaker 1: removed from his body. You know, the the Jews old
Speaker 1: Jerusalem and they were literally like locked behind it, get
Speaker 1: a wall. They weren't doing ship you know, they weren't
Speaker 1: building a capital base. They weren't there they were they were,
Speaker 1: they weren't the court and money lenders and and the
Speaker 1: de fact though sort of shuttle diplomats to you know,
Speaker 1: the the uh to the to the Ottomans or uh
Speaker 1: the uh the um the odds before them or anything
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: You know, That's what That's what people don't get today.
Speaker 2: The people who are like, oh, we just need the right,
Speaker 2: we need our people running the government as it is
Speaker 2: right now, It's like no, the reason why you why
Speaker 2: they're why Jewish power is what it is is because
Speaker 2: of the system and how the system is designed and
Speaker 2: how it works. It's not because they can go into
Speaker 2: any system and take it over and subverted. No, this
Speaker 2: system is designed for subversion. And if you're trying to
Speaker 2: save this system and get your peoples in charge of it, no,
Speaker 2: they are going to be subverted.
Speaker 1: Well. Also, I don't understand they think the government is
Speaker 1: doing for them. I mean not I'll even qualified by
Speaker 1: saying I'm not even suggesting that as in some blanket capacity,
Speaker 1: but I it's obviously anybody who has any ability to
Speaker 1: perceive these things or understands the configuration of government. This
Speaker 1: regime is designed to fight the Cold War and preside
Speaker 1: over a mid twentieth century superpower. As it's a resources
Speaker 1: are consolidated and marshalled and its capital bases modified and
Speaker 1: extended to ultimately become a planetary system. Like that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, This isn't the government of George Washington two
Speaker 1: point zero or something, you know, and it's not this
Speaker 1: perennial thing like I it's an obsolesce. It's a bloated
Speaker 1: obsolescence some of other things. E if it wasn't actively
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you can extricate it's it's
Speaker 1: it's cold or comp priorities from its structural aspects. But
Speaker 1: I mean that that's that's arguable. But even if those
Speaker 1: things could be redacted, I again, and even if it
Speaker 1: could be rendered neutral somehow, it's just an obsolescence. Like
Speaker 1: what what do people get out of this? You know?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they're some people are fully convinced that
Speaker 2: if they can get their people in charge of it,
Speaker 2: that they can they can control it for their people.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that's not a point. They're idiots
Speaker 1: and it's they but they I mean, they shouldn't even
Speaker 1: think of those turns. It's just because, like I said,
Speaker 1: just stand in. It's a it's an aristotce uh theological
Speaker 1: concept to them. You know, they don't they don't have
Speaker 1: a they don't have a Roman Catholic churist, or a
Speaker 1: or a kind of Bible Protestant uh sensibility about the
Speaker 1: inner witness. Then said, they have they have government and
Speaker 1: its apparently like courts, a rabbinic council. They can speak
Speaker 1: things into existence and you know, miraculous occurrence is going
Speaker 1: to be brought to bear by the stroke of a
Speaker 1: pen or by some sort of article to order, you know,
Speaker 1: But that's again that's why these people aren't. That's why
Speaker 1: these people aren't on side, and they'll be.
Speaker 2: You can also hear it in their language. They have
Speaker 2: the language of democracy. We need to convince like fifty
Speaker 2: one percent of the people. And if we can just
Speaker 2: convince fifty one percent of the people, then we can
Speaker 2: have real change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, only only a total dickhead thinks that way,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, I mean if we if we got
Speaker 2: to the point where there were a million people watching this,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if in terms a million people watching this,
Speaker 1: we'd be we've be doing something wrong. It mean that
Speaker 1: like basically we were like that Stephen Colbert or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, well I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the uh, if the culture changes,
Speaker 2: you know, if there's a dramatic culture change, then you know,
Speaker 2: we might we might have a million people watching this.
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows? I mean no, And don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, like I said the other day, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't this chap anger being silly, You're being deluded. All
Speaker 1: I've talked to Burn about this, I talked to Burden
Speaker 1: about this consistently. We'll record something or burn and island
Speaker 1: a discussion about something, or I'll raise a talking point
Speaker 1: and then like three days later, like Friar talk will
Speaker 1: basically be like lifting that exact talking point, you know.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I know, I know guys like him
Speaker 1: are into I for no other reason that you know,
Speaker 1: they want to. I don't. I like tumber Carlson. I
Speaker 1: like what he does, and I'm sure he's a good dude.
Speaker 1: But you know, you see sound like East Coast Brahm,
Speaker 1: and uh, he don't really associate with people like us.
Speaker 1: How the hell would he know kind of what the
Speaker 1: conversation is like. So I'm sure he consumes their content
Speaker 1: if another reason, and just kind of get a sense
Speaker 1: of those things. But you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people who lift my content. We've got a way wider
Speaker 1: audience than I who you know, I mean, I've got
Speaker 1: very small audience. But I do maintain that I have
Speaker 1: an outside impact, because I mean that's just the way
Speaker 1: things go, you know. It's I'm like the Velvet Underground
Speaker 1: of political commentators or analysts, you know, like the velven
Speaker 1: Underground never really popped, but like everybody ever even pop
Speaker 1: was at the Velvet Underground and Johnny Thunders and shoot,
Speaker 1: oh there you go.
Speaker 2: You know yeah there Ramones never never got their their props,
Speaker 2: but like they inspired like all the British the whole
Speaker 2: British punk movement that became punk.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah once also too like that. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name of it. It was one of the it
Speaker 1: was the one trauma movie that was uh it was
Speaker 1: like cinema veritated. It was like a serious movie. You
Speaker 1: can't I'm having brain fog. I can't remember the title.
Speaker 2: But uh.
Speaker 1: That and there's that one part where that dude uh
Speaker 1: he like hits Thunders on stage. So Thunders like whack
Speaker 1: some of his guitar and uh, like they asked Thunders
Speaker 1: about it later you saw her like yeah, like the
Speaker 1: same people like punched me up on stage and call
Speaker 1: me a fucking asshole junkie. You like steal my rits
Speaker 1: and ship. It's like, well that's why it's Thunder is
Speaker 1: my spirit animal. It's like, yeah, we'll do the same
Speaker 1: ship to meet man. You know. It's uh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: the guy's in the Mister Remaster. Yeah he he knows.
Speaker 1: Darryl Uh Daryl went on a show and and and
Speaker 1: plagiarized all my talking boys. I'm not man at Darryl,
Speaker 1: So don't please don't go out and say like I'm
Speaker 1: not I've got a rop towards him or something. But like, literally,
Speaker 1: you like the dude like lifted words for word, uh
Speaker 1: my talking points on Churchill and everybody's like, like ran
Speaker 1: the country? Did you hear what that? Darrel goes to
Speaker 1: look true, tool this like a totally original point that
Speaker 1: no one ever said before. I'm like, yeah, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: where have I heard that before? Oh? That's right, I
Speaker 1: said it. But you know again, it's not it's not
Speaker 1: I don't know, funk up cloud or whatever. If if
Speaker 1: people want to take my talking points, then the semi
Speaker 1: thumb in a constructive way. I mean, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not mad about that. It's just interesting
Speaker 1: to me and not. Darrel's a good guy. He's always
Speaker 1: been very respectful of me. So I'm again, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying bad things about him, So please don't go off
Speaker 1: and claim that I am.
Speaker 2: But we recorded he and I recorded with a friend
Speaker 2: of ours yesterday talking about did an episode on Thomas kun.
Speaker 1: Uh huh no, that's good stuff. Yeah, No, Daryl does
Speaker 1: good content, you know, and like I said, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. It's people to
Speaker 1: say any stuff I've said or written in a constructive way.
Speaker 1: I'm mistake going for always citing the source of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I probably overdo it. But I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that nobody feels slighted or like I'm a content
Speaker 1: thief or something, you know. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: be accused of, you know, not respecting the entirety of
Speaker 1: other people's work products. Like I said, I don't. I
Speaker 1: if Daryl was disrespectful of me, you're like some just
Speaker 1: like an asshole. Yeah, that would bother me. But he's
Speaker 1: he's not at all. He's always been very nice to me, man.
Speaker 1: And so I don't. I don't know the problem. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And we did that Labor Day theme.
Speaker 2: We did that Labor Day stream together last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I and I Burden hosted being him once. No,
Speaker 1: he's a good dude, man. I like him. I was
Speaker 1: just it's more I mean, I'm legit. It It's just
Speaker 1: like an interesting phenomenon, man, you know. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I it surprises me, the the the places, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of the reach of some of my stuff penetrates
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, like, uh, that's something I get.
Speaker 1: I get. I get recognized weird places where I wouldn't
Speaker 1: think that would happen. Like I could see it if
Speaker 1: I was wandering around like Northwest University campus or something
Speaker 1: University of Chicago or uh, like if I go to
Speaker 1: like uh or like when I went to that National
Speaker 1: socialst black metal show. Like while I'm around like Beach,
Speaker 1: They're like a bunch of dudes you know who I was.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, I mean that it's weird when
Speaker 1: it happens I got a plane or something, or like
Speaker 1: when I'm like in the middle of the loop. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's a strange thing. Man, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna interact. I i'd stick around, but some of
Speaker 1: the fellows are coming to meet me at the Landmark
Speaker 1: and it's which is great. Problem. Yeah, I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: far from me a hundred percent, so it's I don't
Speaker 1: need to be there for like an hour, but I
Speaker 1: I need to decompress it been to get myself together.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have bush Mills and that'll help, but I
Speaker 1: want to I want to. Yeah, the sucker Darryl P. T.
Speaker 1: Siven is the real thing. Yeah, it is necessari earlier,
Speaker 1: But I said, I woke guys are just mad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's personal to them, like some so the them
Speaker 1: have some girl who was a shitty person and and
Speaker 1: did crummy stuff or you know, embarrassed them somehow, so
Speaker 1: they built ideology around it, or they they didn't get
Speaker 1: their rewards. They thought they should have to getting a
Speaker 1: college degree, which is like bullshit these days. Anyways, And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and I you know, one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I falling back in my faith a lot if I were.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people don't understand Televinism. I
Speaker 1: think it's just really severe and shitty. But one of
Speaker 1: the ways that it kind of converges with show Upenhower's
Speaker 1: Aryan Buddhism. You kind of just got what these negative
Speaker 1: passions burn away. You know, you should you should never
Speaker 1: cease being angry about injustice ever, gonna be pathetic about
Speaker 1: things that demand vengeance. But you know, personally hating people
Speaker 1: is not good. I mean, I mean, I's not good
Speaker 1: for you. I'm not even saying, like an ethical terms
Speaker 1: that that's a different question. But you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: building and building agreement ideology is really really destructive and
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a it's not a noble thing
Speaker 1: to do, you know, and we've got to aspire to
Speaker 1: be noble. That's another That's not a reason I, especially
Speaker 1: as I age, I I take Ernst younger more and
Speaker 1: more seriously. Possible Spangler or younger series calib in the future. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I I I cover a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: with teet Man. We need a whole bloss a series,
Speaker 1: you know. I I had to cover Schopenhaur in there.
Speaker 1: If I didn't, I was very negligent. But I mean, I, uh,
Speaker 1: this Bangalarian stuff. Uh. I mean, I've done many deep
Speaker 1: dives into Frans part of YACHTI on mind Phase or
Speaker 1: other places, and try to get to all those conversations
Speaker 1: is always an discussion, a stingulary and thought. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I on my own platforms, I try to always
Speaker 1: keep stuff fresh, and it's a combination of what friends
Speaker 1: of mine and guys who I think have important things
Speaker 1: to say are up on, and the current zeitgeisten were
Speaker 1: on peace situation and this other stuff. I'm consistently sort
Speaker 1: of fascinated by. But you know, outside of that, I
Speaker 1: go with what people invite me on to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, and as as we continue with these streams,
Speaker 1: if people have questions on the topic of nature they
Speaker 1: want me to focus on, I mean, I'm happy to
Speaker 1: do that. What Yeah, I'm uh, let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'll I'll post this up when I get
Speaker 1: home tonight. It shouldn't be late. But yeah, I got
Speaker 1: great love for everybody for tipping in and participating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, Pete, appreciate that. Well. Reconvene on Thursday again.
Speaker 1: Sorry I was so I was so ill this week,
Speaker 1: but I I'm definitely coming out of it, so yeah,
Speaker 1: stay up everybody. Yeah later