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<v Speaker 1>Ray, We're live definitely. Yeah, thanks for doing this and

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for postponing. I was in really difficult shape the

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<v Speaker 1>past few days. But I think I'm going better, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know I am because I can. I can walk

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<v Speaker 1>around again basically unassisted, and that's a really awful feeling. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to belaver these things because that's depressing

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<v Speaker 1>and it's laying. But it's fucked up man to not

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<v Speaker 1>be able to to not to not be able to

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<v Speaker 1>move around in your own power, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>plan to be around for a minute, Well there's no guarantees,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, I maybe well be around for

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<v Speaker 1>rather thirty or forty years. And I prefer not to

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<v Speaker 1>be wheeling around like Christopher Reeve or something. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>in his case, he got injured in an incredibly stupid way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and I'm not trying to be mean, but

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a quadrin because you were engaged in some foppish

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<v Speaker 1>rich guys sport and a horse like bucked you off

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<v Speaker 1>and like broke your fucking breen. That's really stupid, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not uh, that's not like having a degenerative disease

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<v Speaker 1>or so like being a gladiator and getting again, like

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<v Speaker 1>hit so hard by Jack Tatum that like you just break.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I've become I've become skilted to Questrian. Look

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<v Speaker 1>look at my tights and my dressage. It's like that's

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<v Speaker 1>some fagg it shit man. You know, like, uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be doing that. I mean, I I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that that was a stupid rance, but I you have

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<v Speaker 1>these kinds of thoughts that you're sick and your mind's falling.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a feeder and you're like I can't get

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<v Speaker 1>up and walk around. I'm like, am I gonna turn

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<v Speaker 1>into some asshole in a wheelchair? Like not? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>not not. People in wheels aren't assholes, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like one just because and concern away and with my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I I wouldn't feel real thrill to a dad for

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<v Speaker 1>a few different reasons. But so and it's been on

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. I mean, these kinds of things are always

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<v Speaker 1>kind of on my mind conceptually because of what my

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<v Speaker 1>subject theories are. Since I've been on YouTube, since I

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<v Speaker 1>said up my channel, I've started I've started looking around

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<v Speaker 1>at what political content looks like. There are more I

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<v Speaker 1>mean both because I I want to get a sense

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<v Speaker 1>with the album. Right of the matter is I don't

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<v Speaker 1>totally fail at it. I mean again, I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to stack up as many numbers as I

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<v Speaker 1>can because that's bullshit and I'm not a cloud chaser,

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<v Speaker 1>and also with the kind of thing I do with

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<v Speaker 1>that that would never happen anyway. But to get a

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<v Speaker 1>clear picture sort of of the state of the body

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<v Speaker 1>politic and how these major platforms, I mean, YouTube's not

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<v Speaker 1>properly social media, but it does have that aspect. I've started,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I watch YouTube a lot, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>curated stuff like I'll watch Military ninety forty five or

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<v Speaker 1>I'll watch which is some of these restored high depth

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<v Speaker 1>videos from the thurn Reich. I'll watch, you know, World

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<v Speaker 1>War one stuff or something. And I'll watch podcasts like

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<v Speaker 1>the Event Horizon Pod. But I don't consume a hell

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<v Speaker 1>of a lot of content. They're a putical nature rather

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<v Speaker 1>than Sean Ryan and prior Tuck. But so I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>more of it, and there's an overwhelmed the overwhelming amount

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I haven't coded it, but it's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be it's got to be over seventy percent. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be close to three quardin eighty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>politically coded content, it's anti woke stuff that's one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent about Hollywood I peas, or about what's on TV,

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<v Speaker 1>or about what some legacy media infotainment anchor is signaling,

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<v Speaker 1>or what Stephen Kolbert is saying, you know, And it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're approaching it as this is you know what

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<v Speaker 1>legacy media is saying. We've got a lot of touch

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<v Speaker 1>they are, or this is how they're trying to characterize

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<v Speaker 1>or piece questions, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, that that

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense, you know, especially if you're a media analyst,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not. You know, I'm a dad and junkie,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not. I don't deal in media primarily. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what it is. It's these guys saying this

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<v Speaker 1>is an outrage because I love Star Trek and the

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<v Speaker 1>woke Marxists are ruining it. And I mean, if that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of lame anyway, especially if you're a grown man,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand if it was like teenagers or something. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I was never then invested in ips like from the

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<v Speaker 1>time like after I after I stop and obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>you know things like like tabletop games and kids stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of beget obsessed with the shitomen do now,

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<v Speaker 1>like rock and roll and Third Reich and stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that means like a stunted man. But I mean

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<v Speaker 1>my point being, even though I like stuff like Battlestar

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<v Speaker 1>Galactic or like Mad Cross Saga, that I wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>invested in it, like it was like religion or something,

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<v Speaker 1>because they'd be fucked up. But these guys are, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're convinced that the cooler comp venue is is pop

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<v Speaker 1>cultural stuff. And aside the fact, I mean we could

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be cliche and talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>yeah you know, or be some containers old person be like, go,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know you're over twenty one, you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>into that shuit or whatever. But I mean that case

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<v Speaker 1>could be made. But these guys, they their entire worldview

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<v Speaker 1>and the way they view authority, the way they view potentialities,

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<v Speaker 1>it's totally tethered due regime authority and adjacent elements like

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<v Speaker 1>legacy media. Like that's why would people ask like somethings

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<v Speaker 1>when it's a landmark or whatever. It's like outen about,

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<v Speaker 1>like guys and girls will strike up conversations with me

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm kind of an unusual looking person to be

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<v Speaker 1>Sura and the last one I'm into and obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, other than flying the flag, I do like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have discuss that kind of stuff with him,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, I I don't know what to tell him, man,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like, I'm not into the shig you're end

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<v Speaker 1>like the novelists I like, or guys who are friends,

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<v Speaker 1>like other than Shane Stevens and you know, uh, Gustave

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<v Speaker 1>Hasford and and stuff like that, the novelists Of'm into

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<v Speaker 1>our dudes, I know, and like you'll preay con it with.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like read Harry Potter or watch Yellowstone or

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<v Speaker 1>there's some stupid ip that I'm like all invested in.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly that's not some too cool over school code

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not it's not some new fangled thing. Man

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<v Speaker 1>like dude he got a lot of respect for is

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<v Speaker 1>you know Johnny Rotten, he's like a good dude and

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's the good kind of irishman you know, uh

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<v Speaker 1>who calls people out on ship, you know, without filter,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and the whole when they when they canceled

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<v Speaker 1>him or tried to, you know, Johnny ronwel thing. The

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<v Speaker 1>way he presented it is, he's like, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to create an alternative to the system and

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<v Speaker 1>what it was putting out because the system was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to wipe away actual culture, because that's the basis of descent,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And uh Lion has got an interting backstory

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<v Speaker 1>because he grew up in a genuine white ghetto and

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<v Speaker 1>his parents were Irish immigrants I think originally settled at Mercyside,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't end up in London, you know. But and that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's when people didn't particularly like Irish people in London.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure now you can still go to mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you can go to places on the mainland

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<v Speaker 1>where that's still the case, but it's probably more in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like loyalists strongholds and stuff, you know, in Scotland.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know the whole, if you don't like what

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<v Speaker 1>the system is doing, if you're actually opposed to it,

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<v Speaker 1>you do exactly that. You do what these early punk

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<v Speaker 1>guys did and say what they're putting out on the

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<v Speaker 1>radio is garbage. We're gonna preate our own ship that

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<v Speaker 1>we think is cool. You know, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that, I mean been in Italy in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>especially visual art, but other kinds of creative activity that's

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<v Speaker 1>got an outsized impact on the political in a way

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't in America. But that's why it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>joke when these bougies and these regime at Jason historians,

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<v Speaker 1>they pretend like the fascists or the National Socialists were

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<v Speaker 1>these mitt Romney guys who were who wanted to censor things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, these were the dudes you people censor. It

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<v Speaker 1>was literally an artist, like the dudes who constituted like

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<v Speaker 1>the March on Rome. It was a bunch of it was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was. It was a bunch of self

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<v Speaker 1>identified out laws and artists and futurists who wanted and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, war veterans who developed a contempt for the

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<v Speaker 1>stability and the conceits of bourgeois life, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>their forwud of experiences of teenagers and young men was

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<v Speaker 1>in the trenches. You know. This is something that normies

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<v Speaker 1>can never understand. And it plays in obviously to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact too that these fools, and most of whom admittedly

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<v Speaker 1>like live exclusively online, but some of them are plugged

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<v Speaker 1>into packs and stuff. You know, these guys being like

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<v Speaker 1>the plan trusters who Trump could literally like rape their

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<v Speaker 1>sister in front of them, and they say, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody Trump's doward it, here's his reasons. But they

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<v Speaker 1>they're obsessed with this idea that you can't possibly go

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<v Speaker 1>outside the parameters of the extent structure. And it's side

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that that's historically obsolescent, Like why the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck would you want to involve yourself with that anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, that's a litmus test, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not if you if you're obsessed with abiding convention

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<v Speaker 1>is defined by regime authority, you know, you're you're a

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<v Speaker 1>bougie fuck who's obsessed with fitting in and not making

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<v Speaker 1>waves and god forbid breaking the law, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>those people have nothing to do with us. They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're the opposite of us. They they think that we

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<v Speaker 1>should be locked up, you know, And that's I know,

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<v Speaker 1>people come down on me too for talking about bougie

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<v Speaker 1>sensibilities because they can't think outside the box. They think

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<v Speaker 1>that's just like some term or something. But you don't understand,

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<v Speaker 1>like well, street people and rich people in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>people with hustle, they don't think that way. It's only

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<v Speaker 1>trashy strivers who are obsessed with clout and are obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with what randoms are gonna think about them, and who

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<v Speaker 1>who love the police for their for its own sake.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the people who think that way, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why everybody, that's why everybody dumps on them, because

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<v Speaker 1>they're fucking assholes, you know, like they're it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A wealthy A wealthy person is A wealthy person is

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<v Speaker 2>only interested in the regime to see how they can

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<v Speaker 2>use it, either for they can use their wealth to

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<v Speaker 2>either make sure that it doesn't touch them or that

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<v Speaker 2>it can somehow benefit them. But that doesn't necessarily I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a rich person, you know, like Miriam Adelson or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. You think she actually worships politicians, think

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<v Speaker 2>she actually worships cops. No, she has utter disdain for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's also too if you were, if you were

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<v Speaker 1>a rich guy or lady, the police work for you

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<v Speaker 1>such that you have anything to do with them. But

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<v Speaker 1>like something I realized separates me from bougiees. What kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a person, what kind of a rational adult man?

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<v Speaker 1>A woman calls the police, as if there's some conflict

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<v Speaker 1>resolution service, like no hood dude, no fucking outlaw lait dude,

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<v Speaker 1>and no, no, no rich guy would ever do that,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you do that, you're a complete fuckhead. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's also just not the way adults think, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go tell the teacher, like you you call the

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<v Speaker 1>police on yourself because somebody hurt your feelings or you

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<v Speaker 1>my lawyer before I called the police. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't happened lately, but that probably is gonna happen again soon.

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<v Speaker 1>pretending that there's something that exists called gay marriage. So

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't exist, like what you ought to say about it,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't exist. It's a marriage is a categorically discreet sacrament.

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<v Speaker 1>Then not the state can't declare that the non existence

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<v Speaker 1>discrimination and then steak it into reality. I'm like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you think that judges, can you eight human sacramental practices

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<v Speaker 1>by speaking them? Well, you think you think judges are sorcerers?

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ruin marriage? I'm like, why what this is? This

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<v Speaker 1>is not whing the government's purview, and it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>if I said, you know, there's no human societies that

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<v Speaker 1>hold funerals for living people. That's because they're denying a

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<v Speaker 1>live people of the festive celebration and the sober reverence

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<v Speaker 1>given to dead people. That's discrimination. You know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>to a funeral. Okay, I mean if I so I

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<v Speaker 1>If they were like a little taving a birthday party,

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<v Speaker 1>those people are disturbed, or they're really really really fucking stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>or they're just delusional, like this idea that government can

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<v Speaker 1>annihilate culture to a declaratory judgments and some crazy Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>judge like, I don't understand how people think that way,

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<v Speaker 1>but they do. You know. That's why a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>these queers who like want to buy PC Principal hexf

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<v Speaker 1>soiled underwear and stuff these like these like these like

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<v Speaker 1>closet socket, sausage, jockey vet, burros and stuff. They're like

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<v Speaker 1>all peeing in their pants and super happy because they're

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<v Speaker 1>like PC Principle ended woke. I'm like, well, what do

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<v Speaker 1>social engineering by violence? Did he removed out pressing them

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<v Speaker 1>with sexuals and females from the military. No, he said

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<v Speaker 1>a billy badass war fighter, and like that's it to

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<v Speaker 1>these people, you know, because they're like, yeah, see, like

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<v Speaker 1>the last guy he was talking about woke stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, HEGs up, got rid of the woke stuff. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's just uh double the punishment if you make a

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<v Speaker 2>ju show. Yeah what else he didn't get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the woke stuff? Like he's he's in principle, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he'll he'll like threaten to like physically assault you

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<v Speaker 2>if you like make a sexist joke or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's his that's his angle, that's his jive. But I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the fact is, I mean, anybody who thinks the

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<v Speaker 2>military's cool at all, it's like fucked in the head,

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<v Speaker 2>like I.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it'd be uh it'd be like uh like

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<v Speaker 1>any self identify like you know, I'm pro white, right wing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I love the US military. It'd be like a

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<v Speaker 1>commandsche being like I love the cavalry. It was awesome

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<v Speaker 1>when like they told me fucked up my way of

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<v Speaker 1>what like you know. So that's why people need I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why anybody who claims me on side needs to

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<v Speaker 1>I and I mean that's to be clear. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a complicated point. But it is reducible to

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<v Speaker 1>some precepts that should be fair leaded in brass human psychology.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's highly symbolic conceptually. It's that's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>way the mind structures the world, you know, as it

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<v Speaker 1>receives inputs. You know, it'd be interesting to see how

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, like if there was truly somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>was availed the centric deprivation, like how that would shake out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean like some stupid fancy story like like

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<v Speaker 1>anglophone socialists and new dealers. I mean if there actually

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<v Speaker 1>went blinding definitely on or was otherwise availed the centric deprivation,

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<v Speaker 1>like what neural pathways would develop and how symbolic psychology

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<v Speaker 1>would shake out within their own conceptual in our life.

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<v Speaker 1>But those kind of thought experiments aside, you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>they'd become attached instinctively to this idea that the authority

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<v Speaker 1>that they can witness an experience or tangibly brush up

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<v Speaker 1>against this. That's kind of their stand in for that,

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of their stand in for God. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's also why even people you'd think would know better

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<v Speaker 1>when they talk about government solutions. It's not just as

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<v Speaker 1>if these things can resolve social problems or or or

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<v Speaker 1>material deprivation or things of that nature. It's not just that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just a divide between Keensians and supply siders.

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<v Speaker 1>It's people literally thinking that there's something miraculous about the

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<v Speaker 1>ability of government to render outcomes, you know, in sociological

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<v Speaker 1>and material terms, and that that doesn't make any sense,

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<v Speaker 1>you know whatsoever. And vanguardists don't think that way because

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<v Speaker 1>by definition, they don't just reject the legitimacy of the

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<v Speaker 1>regime they live under. They they don't view it as

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than a configuration of power that is, has

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<v Speaker 1>become permanent owing to accommodation of historical conditions and deliberate contrivances.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. They may have other conceptual biases, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even take like the Probos in Northern Ireland. They believe

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<v Speaker 1>that tiluricy utopia of their own at argue. But even

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<v Speaker 1>that I think was probably tempered by the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a thirty year cycle of of partisan warfare.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that that's a combinated question. Let me say

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<v Speaker 1>cology is as a partisan with respect to state craft

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<v Speaker 2>But stay on utopia for a second there, Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>seems it seems like that is Yep. There are a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of people who are running around who are so

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<v Speaker 2>ideologically possessed that anything short of their like they believe

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<v Speaker 2>that they they're basically advocating for their utopia and nothing less,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't want to do anything to achieve that

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<v Speaker 2>or try to make it happen other than post online.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, because they're not they're not actually engaged, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And and that's also that that's pure political theology becau.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just faith based, but it doesn't entail antial practice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the set of rigid conceptual prejudices and secularized values.

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<v Speaker 1>It nevertheless are gopsude to religious paradigm within the minds

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<v Speaker 1>of the congrean.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're advocating, if you're advocating for your utopia online,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what are you doing other than trying to

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<v Speaker 2>say that you can reach that utopia by trying to

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<v Speaker 2>take a hold of the existing regime, which by advocating

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<v Speaker 2>for a utopia, you're saying that you want to just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you want to overthrow. Unless you're so delusional

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<v Speaker 2>that you think that you can have your utopia within

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, they're not even there's not even that sophisticated

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<v Speaker 1>conceptual practice behind this. It's like you and Anthony Ramundo

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<v Speaker 1>said when you when you set off these libertarian guys.

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<v Speaker 1>These weren't a bunch of these weren't a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>guys with the hustle or small businessmen and or private

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<v Speaker 1>equity guys even or anything. There's like weirdo pothead guys

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<v Speaker 1>shit online and they were doing that. They were nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to help people resist, you know, the the covid mannis

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<v Speaker 1>and things, because it's not what it's about way and

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like weird cult and uh, they're waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>some that's also one of these guys. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are like goofy preppers even though they're even

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<v Speaker 1>though they go they don't know a name about homesteading,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not like country guys because it's they got

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<v Speaker 1>way of you know, punctuated equilibrium. And I mean again

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<v Speaker 1>And that's hanging.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the go about the Libertarians hanging around them. What

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<v Speaker 2>I really started to understand after a while was that

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<v Speaker 2>they were creating these packs and they wanted to take

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<v Speaker 2>over the Libertarian Party, which is a it is a

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<v Speaker 2>registered political party that gets money, YadA YadA, for one reason.

411
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<v Speaker 2>They were all they basically wanted a job to get

412
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<v Speaker 2>paid for doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that was yeah as the only I mean there

415
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<v Speaker 2>was sure. I knew a couple of people in there

416
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<v Speaker 2>who were successful in their private life. They had you know,

417
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<v Speaker 2>they were successful in they had jobs, they had businesses,

418
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<v Speaker 2>they had careers. But for the most part, it was

419
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<v Speaker 2>people who really hated their jobs and saw this as

420
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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to basically have a job where they didn't

421
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<v Speaker 2>really have to do anything. And then when you started

422
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<v Speaker 2>digging into it, you found out, oh, if you know

423
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<v Speaker 2>some guy and and it was just basically they were

424
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<v Speaker 2>they were complaining about the regime while getting a job

425
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<v Speaker 2>in the party and then getting grant money from the

426
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<v Speaker 2>party for your wife or girlfriend and just doing exactly

427
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<v Speaker 2>what the regime does.

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<v Speaker 1>Well they that's libertarianism has always been a cult. If

429
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<v Speaker 1>you're not you know, I one of the things like

430
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<v Speaker 1>younger is because I, you know, I I relate to that.

431
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's also a medical practice there. And if you're

432
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<v Speaker 1>a you know, and and and and anarchism do you

433
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 1>won't realize that anarchism was a serious tendency. I mean,

434
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:42.319
<v Speaker 1>they blew up the reason why we got the you know,

435
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 1>uh new Federal Court ausm ultimately became the the Dermsen Center,

436
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 1>and then they literally blew up the old Chicago Federal Court.

437
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>But anarchism, it is a real tendency, you know, that

438
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<v Speaker 1>has a practice behind it. And the cynical is or

439
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 1>worth reading, including George Sorell, who's underappreciated political theorist, there's

440
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of convergence there, Like the reason why these

441
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>guys don't identify with Dad is because first of all,

442
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're basically Midwa bougies. That's why they're into

443
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.799
<v Speaker 1>garbage like an orand and but they're also they're fixated

444
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>on these positive liberties that they that they think are

445
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 1>so important, whether it's smoking weed, and I guess that's

446
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:32.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of not their thing anymore because now you can

447
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 1>smoke weed without getting heat from the law, or like

448
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it's some like weird sex paraphilia or or some bullshit

449
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 1>like that, you know, because it's totally cult coded, you know.

450
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<v Speaker 1>I I'm a I'm probably the most anti government person

451
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<v Speaker 1>I know. I can't think of anything I have in

452
00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:02.559
<v Speaker 1>common with libertarians, including first and foremost too, like why

453
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 1>it's like why why do you guys have a party

454
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 1>like that? That doesn't make me sense in America anyway,

455
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you know. And uh, I do hope people really think

456
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm being a petant, but it's it's asinine that people

457
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.759
<v Speaker 1>pretend that the Democrats and Republicans are parties they're not,

458
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, and single member districts and the entire way

459
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the and a winner take all system, I mean, the

460
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>constitutionally America structure so that there won't be political parties,

461
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>that's by design, you know. And plus, I mean, like

462
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the feat it's it's it's it's it's counterintuitive or or

463
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 1>it's an oxy moron. I'm going to start a political

464
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>party to challenge for elections to get rid of the government.

465
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>So like my policy, you want to get into the

466
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>government and create this whole glorwal apparatus is we're gonna

467
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 1>like shut down the government. We're gonna use our political

468
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.119
<v Speaker 1>party in this whole apparatus to shut down the government

469
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that we just gotta see what didn't do Like that,

470
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.119
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's like Brady's fire department that starts fires,

471
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you know. And it's like too, I mean again, it's

472
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.039
<v Speaker 1>like it's like, okay, if you're so nowadays, I'm always

473
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<v Speaker 1>emphasizing and I'm old enough to have witnessed this transition

474
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>for decades. The mobility of capital and the availability of

475
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<v Speaker 1>information and present sense awareness to the second and not

476
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the millisecond. This changed everything. If you want to quit

477
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:47.079
<v Speaker 1>regime ship, you can. You know, you've got a lot

478
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>of freedom to do stuff now. So I think if

479
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<v Speaker 1>you're Joe libertarian, and even if I think you're in

480
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 1>a dumb stuff, I want to smoke a bunch of

481
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>pot and like screw a bunch of girls. Okay, so

482
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>go do that, Like why who's stopping you from doing that?

483
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, But again that's not what it's about to them.

484
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's part of its They got juvenile interest,

485
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's it's this aerosots religion, well, eco plyitical feology.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Well anybody who has leftist sndencies and leftist inclinations, it wants.

487
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 1>Wants it to be.

488
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 2>They know that, they know for a fact that it's

489
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>against nature and it's unnatural, and they want they're looking

490
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>for somebody to say, yes, this is okay. And that's

491
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:37.640
<v Speaker 2>why you always see you have to have gay marriage,

492
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 2>you have to have you know, prostitution is good. All

493
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 2>this stuff has to be good because they know deep

494
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 2>down inside that it's not and they need so they

495
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:51.759
<v Speaker 2>have to advertise it and they have to try to

496
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>advocate it for it politically so that people can say, yes, yes,

497
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>you're okay with this, Like when you look at libertarians everything,

498
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 2>when advocate for something, it's like literally the only wins

499
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 2>that they ever get are things that help the regime.

500
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the regime never gives them a never gives

501
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 2>them what they want. Which is to weaken itself so

502
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.359
<v Speaker 2>they can be like, oh, we were for gay marriage

503
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 2>before everybody else was for game. Oh and by the way,

504
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Trump says that too, we were for gay marriage before

505
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody else was for gay marriage. Yeah, how's that working out?

506
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>What's awesome? I mean anybody, you know, again, anybody would

507
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 1>anybody who had a serious anarchist sensibility or a liberty

508
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 1>oriented sensibility and the classical sense would be demanding. I mean,

509
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the irs needs to go away before anything else happened.

510
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's that's both just like naked theft

511
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.759
<v Speaker 1>of capital and it's a terror mechanism, you know. I

512
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>mean that's so Yeah, I mean they're not serious, but yeah,

513
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like a boogie thing, like they need the teacher

514
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to tell them that they're not being naughty, you know.

515
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:10.720
<v Speaker 1>And again like I I'm sure this sounds like some

516
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>contrary and bullshit or something. But if if they're a

517
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<v Speaker 1>Gene liked me, and if if normanis liked me, I'd

518
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 1>know that I was kind of fucked up. Yeah, that's

519
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of my metory. You know.

520
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't want I don't want some Zionists. I don't

521
00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 2>want some Zionists on Twitter praising me.

522
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I don't want I don't want the government

523
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>telling me that, like the stuff I'm into is cool

524
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>or you know, you you shouldn't go out of your

525
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 1>way to flaunt the law or pick fights with the

526
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>police or do foolish you know, decide you know you're

527
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 1>gonna go out and be some gangster and get Richard.

528
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I trying, but you've got to be cornicled with being

529
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 1>an outlaw. And in fact, I mean you should be

530
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>more than carnival whether it should be kind of like

531
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a core aspect of your sensibility, you know. And that's

532
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I mean, that's that's why the that's

533
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 1>why the original punk ethos. I mean that that sounds

534
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 1>corny because so many people can book that ship in

535
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>like stupid ways. But you know, rock and roll uh

536
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>is uh dangerous. That's why the regime is always trying

537
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>to crush it. Like I as far as I like

538
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Merurle Allen, I'm just like a kind of into his

539
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 1>stuff because I like seeing old guys are still at it.

540
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 1>Who who can who where the minority can pull it off?

541
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.119
<v Speaker 1>But also he's into kind of the same sort of

542
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:45.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff I am. And when we went to see the

543
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Murdered Junkies play last summer down at Reggie's on the

544
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>South Side, that's kind as what I talked to him about,

545
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, like because I bought some of his shirts

546
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:56.199
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and uh, I'm just like yeah, man, I'm like,

547
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, I'm like, I it's Stipe that you

548
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 1>know you play year because we wanted to come see

549
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>you for a minute. He's like, oh yeah, He's like

550
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I always played Chicago, always played Detroit, you know, because

551
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 1>we always get a lot of love here. And I'm

552
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, man, and uh I I talked to him

553
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 1>for a minute. Uh, and like I bought like three

554
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 1>shirt from him, and then like I tipped him like

555
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty bucks just we're playing on like an awesome show.

556
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 1>You really appreciated that because I frankly like the kinds

557
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>of guys all the murder Jonki, He's like, never any

558
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 1>fucking money, let's be honest, you know what. Uh no, man,

559
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.719
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't come out of like a heavy political tip,

560
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>but uh, you know I was wearing look at Johnny thundershirt.

561
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>So we were talking about like alphabet city and stuff.

562
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Back in the early nineties because that periodically the video

563
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the last day of his brother's life, of gd Ellen's life,

564
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.280
<v Speaker 1>this is this. This was nineteen ninety three and it

565
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>was at this shithole venue called the gas Station in

566
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Alphabet City, and I mean that's when it was supposed aboucalyptic.

567
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean you're you're in New York or you know

568
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.760
<v Speaker 1>what it was like and some guy or some girl

569
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:12.159
<v Speaker 1>had some old, bulky like sony camcorder and was filming

570
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>everything that was happening, and Gigen is Entourage and all

571
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 1>these crazy annicts and punks and skinheads like fighting with

572
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>the police and stuff. Then uh it goes on for

573
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like twenty minutes. But then uh, like it's been on

574
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.079
<v Speaker 1>YouTube forever. It's some some choppedup version of it, but uh,

575
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 1>it period even goes viral because some nornie finds it

576
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 1>there one of the four Chan wackos just uh decides

577
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:44.719
<v Speaker 1>he wants to it to circulate again or something. But uh, no,

578
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about we were talking about how how

579
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 1>how putic we charged. Uh the scene was back then

580
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, oh yeah, you know, he's like, it's

581
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, nothing like today. And he's like, uh, he's

582
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:03.199
<v Speaker 1>a guy, was he people are thirsty for something because

583
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 1>he's like, we got Kat's house here. Merles like, it's

584
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 1>not just us playing. You know, we had three other

585
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 1>bands playing before us. We're local guys, and you know

586
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 1>it was, uh, it was mostly youngsters there. You know,

587
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I was, Uh, I was one of the older guys

588
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>on deck man, you know. And that's uh, that's that,

589
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>that's that that pattern is discernible, you know, and uh,

590
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>there's always a resistance element to popular culture. That's why

591
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why to bring it back. I

592
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.760
<v Speaker 1>realized that none of these supposedly like anti woke guys

593
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.519
<v Speaker 1>are on side because they they think the stuff that

594
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 1>like I'm into is fucked up. You know, they want

595
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 1>to why they're mad because they want Star Wars to

596
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>not have gross like gay stuff in it, or they

597
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>they think like they think they're like Green Day is

598
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>a great band or something, or they you know, they're uh,

599
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>it's not a it's not a conversation that uh we

600
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:18.159
<v Speaker 1>want to be part of because it's it's it's boozy

601
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>shit man, Like it's uh, it'd be like a bunch

602
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of provos or a bunch of uh black shirts like uh,

603
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 1>seeking out a bunch of social democrats, UH like hang

604
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>out and fucking bullshit with them about like the the

605
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>text regime or something, or you know, it's like why

606
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 1>why the fund will we do that? You know? I

607
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>mean that's that's why it's a positive thing, man. I

608
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>mean it's it's not positive when dudes actually are on

609
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:54.199
<v Speaker 1>side or excuse me, I'm still pretty sick. It's not

610
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.800
<v Speaker 1>positive when dudes actually are on side or curating bad

611
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>blood and stuff. That's one of the reasons why I'm

612
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna formally structure my own thing, you know,

613
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>to like in part because I think that's I think

614
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.440
<v Speaker 1>that's this was proper. But I think it's also gonna

615
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:17.639
<v Speaker 1>eat some of the tension, you know. But what is

616
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:23.079
<v Speaker 1>positive is, uh, you know, if if the coalition that

617
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>uh carried Trump into office in twenty sixteen, if that's fracturing,

618
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:29.920
<v Speaker 1>that's not a bad thing, man, because like, what what

619
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<v Speaker 1>mattered about it was the fact that the solent majority.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the real that was the real point at

621
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<v Speaker 1>which where the solent majority robbed the regime of its legitimacy.

622
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<v Speaker 1>I mean that had been that had been developing for

623
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<v Speaker 1>a couple of decades. I'd argue since the mid nineties,

624
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>but that's when it actually happened. Trump the guy was

625
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.079
<v Speaker 1>never important. This idea of it was so great that

626
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>we look at Trump, We've got to preserve this clos

627
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>all cost It's like, no, you're not in the game.

628
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<v Speaker 1>You don't. You don't get it because the the proverbial, Uh,

629
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<v Speaker 1>you can't. You can't undo these sorts of happenings. You can't.

630
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<v Speaker 1>You can't restore legitimacy. I mean, really, the only way

631
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 1>the government can return to the credibility it had under

632
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Reagan and the last gas bat was really when when

633
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<v Speaker 1>Bush's approval was like skyrocketed, decide unseen since the CANi

634
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>year immediately after the Gulf War. Okay, but that there

635
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<v Speaker 1>was a whole restructuring in America after nineteen sixty eight,

636
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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine, seventy, you know, I mean that that's what

637
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 1>catapulted Nixon into office, and they realized, uh, they had

638
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 1>to abide a personage like Reagan, otherwise they all legitimately

639
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>would have been forfeit. And they couldn't afford to roll

640
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:11.599
<v Speaker 1>the dice on that during peak Cold War because that

641
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>would have seeded the that that that that that would

642
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>have seeded the planet to the communists, frankly, and that

643
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:28.199
<v Speaker 1>changes everything. But you know, the there's never going to

644
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 1>be a return to the way things were before. And

645
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 1>if there was a more flexible system, if a system

646
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 1>was in place, not unlike existed. Uh, from about the

647
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Grant administration until Wilson's first term, the the political culture

648
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was a lot more malleable, you know what I mean there.

649
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, things were totally different then. But despite what

650
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.159
<v Speaker 1>people say, what isolationism America was, America wasn't world power.

651
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously, you know.

652
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 2>But it was so malleable that Pale Settlement's Jewics to

653
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.599
<v Speaker 2>come in here and basically take it over.

654
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that that that was that was a

655
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 1>revolutionary and imperative by the New Dealers, I mean yeah.

656
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 1>And part of that was, oh do the war between

657
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the States having crushed what was the have been the

658
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 1>sort of natural immunity to the kind of subversion. I mean,

659
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I grew there ganulty that the true the moment at

660
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>which uh, the U a political right wing was was

661
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 1>was just eradicated was the War between the States. It

662
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 1>wasn't seventeen eighty nine and then what happened in Europe

663
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>was the reaction to that, because you know, there was

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<v Speaker 1>an entire nexus the causation that touched and concerned everything

665
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that ensued subsequently. And uh, well so I mean it

666
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<v Speaker 1>had Uh it's easy to imagine too. You know, an

667
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 1>a an America allied with the Kaiser, right if the

668
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.280
<v Speaker 1>wars of Stage dragged on and became a quagmire that

669
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<v Speaker 1>was never resolved. I obviously you know only his politics.

670
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<v Speaker 1>Heuse some he's some old school jew socialists, but uh

671
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 1>they guy Harry Turtle Dub He's written some stuff that's

672
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>just silly, like the World War series with these like

673
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>aliens assault during Word War two. It's fucking stupid. But

674
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>he he's written some compelling stuff, and one of which

675
00:43:56.480 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 1>was where the warm in the States ends in the

676
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 1>stalemate and the borderlands like Missouri and Bleeding Kansas, there's

677
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:15.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of permanent, low key, h low intensity warfare going on.

678
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Then when World War One breaks out, the Confederacy backs

679
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:26.280
<v Speaker 1>the UK and France and the Union becomes solidly allied

680
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 1>with the kaiser Reich. You know, so you've got Union

681
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:33.039
<v Speaker 1>troops fighting on behalf. The Union joins the German offensive

682
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighteen, and then the Confederates are holding a

683
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 1>line in France nor in a northeastern France to try

684
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and stop the assault which would have happened. I mean,

685
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the Confederates had a lot better relations with the UK

686
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:51.440
<v Speaker 1>than an American. Did you know this idea that the

687
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Trent Affair I don't agree with. You get some revisionists

688
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.039
<v Speaker 1>A G. B. Taylor wasn't really revisionist, but he so

689
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 1>head out to the story and is going to Trent

690
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 1>affair could have led to a naval shooting war between

691
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.840
<v Speaker 1>the Crown and the United States, And I don't accept that.

692
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>But relations were not good. But because it may you

693
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>know that to the point we were discussing, I mean

694
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 1>that kind of facial was interesting anyway, but the contrary

695
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>was very much at a proverbial decision point from the

696
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventies until the nineteen teens that there there could

697
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>have been a number of different outcomes. You know, we

698
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>was not set in stone in any way. But the uh,

699
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I know you're not wrong. I mean, there's there there's

700
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<v Speaker 1>a reason that the subversion of of a political culture

701
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>by a hostile element that insinuates itself is a new elite. Uh.

702
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.960
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't happen by accident, and it doesn't happen where

703
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 1>there's a robust legitimacy enjoyed by a government serving a

704
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.679
<v Speaker 1>basically united body politics. But there's complicated factors there. And

705
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons I the the consolidation of the

706
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Westphalian state as it reaches true zenith, that was the

707
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>handmade in the Jewish power. That's hot a Rents point too,

708
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:49.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, outside of a Westphalian system or a state

709
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>system as we know it, like like core Jews, they

710
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 1>don't have any political power. You know, I went to

711
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the other day, is what the joke when people like

712
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Cromwell was a bad man because he didn't like Pooram Jews.

713
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.199
<v Speaker 1>It's like, why why would he care? Like what the

714
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking house the Stewart and the Jews had going on?

715
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Like it wasn't these kings didn't ban the Askanasam from

716
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:16.440
<v Speaker 1>their countries because they you know, they they were they

717
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 1>were doing it for Christ and for the the English

718
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.239
<v Speaker 1>race or something they were doing. They don't want to

719
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>pay their fucking bills. I guess why, you know, why,

720
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.760
<v Speaker 1>why why would Cromwell care about that? You know, that

721
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>that was interestingly, I mean that was uh that that

722
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 1>was the only things about in Leers uh spelt the

723
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 1>way he did about his lom as a historical tendency,

724
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:44.159
<v Speaker 1>you know they I mean you usually he's a big,

725
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:48.679
<v Speaker 1>a big crime traditionally, and Daryl is lamb. But also

726
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<v Speaker 1>any any any any Saltan who was borrowing money from

727
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>from uh Jewish lenders, he he would have his head

728
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 1>removed from his body. You know, the the Jews old

729
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Jerusalem and they were literally like locked behind it, get

730
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.960
<v Speaker 1>a wall. They weren't doing ship you know, they weren't

731
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:13.440
<v Speaker 1>building a capital base. They weren't there they were they were,

732
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.559
<v Speaker 1>they weren't the court and money lenders and and the

733
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:18.599
<v Speaker 1>de fact though sort of shuttle diplomats to you know,

734
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the the uh to the to the Ottomans or uh

735
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>the uh the um the odds before them or anything

736
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:30.920
<v Speaker 1>like that.

737
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, That's what That's what people don't get today.

738
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:37.800
<v Speaker 2>The people who are like, oh, we just need the right,

739
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.519
<v Speaker 2>we need our people running the government as it is

740
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 2>right now, It's like no, the reason why you why

741
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>they're why Jewish power is what it is is because

742
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 2>of the system and how the system is designed and

743
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:57.079
<v Speaker 2>how it works. It's not because they can go into

744
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.800
<v Speaker 2>any system and take it over and subverted. No, this

745
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 2>system is designed for subversion. And if you're trying to

746
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 2>save this system and get your peoples in charge of it, no,

747
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.079
<v Speaker 2>they are going to be subverted.

748
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Well. Also, I don't understand they think the government is

749
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.079
<v Speaker 1>doing for them. I mean not I'll even qualified by

750
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.480
<v Speaker 1>saying I'm not even suggesting that as in some blanket capacity,

751
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>but I it's obviously anybody who has any ability to

752
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>perceive these things or understands the configuration of government. This

753
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 1>regime is designed to fight the Cold War and preside

754
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>over a mid twentieth century superpower. As it's a resources

755
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:56.679
<v Speaker 1>are consolidated and marshalled and its capital bases modified and

756
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.639
<v Speaker 1>extended to ultimately become a planetary system. Like that's it.

757
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, This isn't the government of George Washington two

758
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 1>point zero or something, you know, and it's not this

759
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:13.119
<v Speaker 1>perennial thing like I it's an obsolesce. It's a bloated

760
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.920
<v Speaker 1>obsolescence some of other things. E if it wasn't actively

761
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think you can extricate it's it's

762
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>it's cold or comp priorities from its structural aspects. But

763
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that's that's arguable. But even if those

764
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 1>things could be redacted, I again, and even if it

765
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 1>could be rendered neutral somehow, it's just an obsolescence. Like

766
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>what what do people get out of this? You know?

767
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean they're some people are fully convinced that

768
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>if they can get their people in charge of it,

769
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.400
<v Speaker 2>that they can they can control it for their people.

770
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean that's not a point. They're idiots

771
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's they but they I mean, they shouldn't even

772
00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:58.559
<v Speaker 1>think of those turns. It's just because, like I said,

773
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 1>just stand in. It's a it's an aristotce uh theological

774
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:08.800
<v Speaker 1>concept to them. You know, they don't they don't have

775
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.239
<v Speaker 1>a they don't have a Roman Catholic churist, or a

776
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:25.760
<v Speaker 1>or a kind of Bible Protestant uh sensibility about the

777
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 1>inner witness. Then said, they have they have government and

778
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.280
<v Speaker 1>its apparently like courts, a rabbinic council. They can speak

779
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>things into existence and you know, miraculous occurrence is going

780
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:46.760
<v Speaker 1>to be brought to bear by the stroke of a

781
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 1>pen or by some sort of article to order, you know,

782
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:56.159
<v Speaker 1>But that's again that's why these people aren't. That's why

783
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 1>these people aren't on side, and they'll be.

784
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.199
<v Speaker 2>You can also hear it in their language. They have

785
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the language of democracy. We need to convince like fifty

786
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 2>one percent of the people. And if we can just

787
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.719
<v Speaker 2>convince fifty one percent of the people, then we can

788
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 2>have real change.

789
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, only only a total dickhead thinks that way,

790
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 1>you know.

791
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:25.920
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, yeah, I mean if we if we got

792
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 2>to the point where there were a million people watching this,

793
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:30.880
<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't have to do this anymore.

794
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, if in terms a million people watching this,

795
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 1>we'd be we've be doing something wrong. It mean that

796
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:41.280
<v Speaker 1>like basically we were like that Stephen Colbert or something.

797
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.119
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, well I don't know.

798
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if the uh, if the culture changes,

799
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, if there's a dramatic culture change, then you know,

800
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 2>we might we might have a million people watching this.

801
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Who the hell knows? I mean no, And don't get

802
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>me wrong, like I said the other day, and I

803
00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't this chap anger being silly, You're being deluded. All

804
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.079
<v Speaker 1>I've talked to Burn about this, I talked to Burden

805
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 1>about this consistently. We'll record something or burn and island

806
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.920
<v Speaker 1>a discussion about something, or I'll raise a talking point

807
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and then like three days later, like Friar talk will

808
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>basically be like lifting that exact talking point, you know.

809
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.920
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I know, I know guys like him

810
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:32.119
<v Speaker 1>are into I for no other reason that you know,

811
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>they want to. I don't. I like tumber Carlson. I

812
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 1>like what he does, and I'm sure he's a good dude.

813
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:41.519
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you see sound like East Coast Brahm,

814
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and uh, he don't really associate with people like us.

815
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 1>How the hell would he know kind of what the

816
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.559
<v Speaker 1>conversation is like. So I'm sure he consumes their content

817
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 1>if another reason, and just kind of get a sense

818
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:55.400
<v Speaker 1>of those things. But you know, there's a lot of

819
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>people who lift my content. We've got a way wider

820
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<v Speaker 1>audience than I who you know, I mean, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>very small audience. But I do maintain that I have

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<v Speaker 1>an outside impact, because I mean that's just the way

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<v Speaker 1>things go, you know. It's I'm like the Velvet Underground

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<v Speaker 1>of political commentators or analysts, you know, like the velven

825
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<v Speaker 1>Underground never really popped, but like everybody ever even pop

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<v Speaker 1>was at the Velvet Underground and Johnny Thunders and shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>oh there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>You know yeah there Ramones never never got their their props,

829
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<v Speaker 2>but like they inspired like all the British the whole

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<v Speaker 2>British punk movement that became punk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah once also too like that. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>the name of it. It was one of the it

833
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<v Speaker 1>was the one trauma movie that was uh it was

834
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<v Speaker 1>like cinema veritated. It was like a serious movie. You

835
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<v Speaker 1>can't I'm having brain fog. I can't remember the title.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That and there's that one part where that dude uh

838
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<v Speaker 1>he like hits Thunders on stage. So Thunders like whack

839
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<v Speaker 1>some of his guitar and uh, like they asked Thunders

840
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<v Speaker 1>about it later you saw her like yeah, like the

841
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 1>same people like punched me up on stage and call

842
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<v Speaker 1>me a fucking asshole junkie. You like steal my rits

843
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<v Speaker 1>and ship. It's like, well that's why it's Thunder is

844
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<v Speaker 1>my spirit animal. It's like, yeah, we'll do the same

845
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<v Speaker 1>ship to meet man. You know. It's uh yeah, no,

846
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<v Speaker 1>the guy's in the Mister Remaster. Yeah he he knows.

847
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<v Speaker 1>Darryl Uh Daryl went on a show and and and

848
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<v Speaker 1>plagiarized all my talking boys. I'm not man at Darryl,

849
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<v Speaker 1>So don't please don't go out and say like I'm

850
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<v Speaker 1>not I've got a rop towards him or something. But like, literally,

851
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<v Speaker 1>you like the dude like lifted words for word, uh

852
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<v Speaker 1>my talking points on Churchill and everybody's like, like ran

853
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<v Speaker 1>the country? Did you hear what that? Darrel goes to

854
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<v Speaker 1>look true, tool this like a totally original point that

855
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.920
<v Speaker 1>no one ever said before. I'm like, yeah, it's like, yeah,

856
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 1>where have I heard that before? Oh? That's right, I

857
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<v Speaker 1>said it. But you know again, it's not it's not

858
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, funk up cloud or whatever. If if

859
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<v Speaker 1>people want to take my talking points, then the semi

860
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<v Speaker 1>thumb in a constructive way. I mean, okay, that's fine.

861
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not mad about that. It's just interesting

862
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<v Speaker 1>to me and not. Darrel's a good guy. He's always

863
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<v Speaker 1>been very respectful of me. So I'm again, I'm not

864
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<v Speaker 1>saying bad things about him, So please don't go off

865
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<v Speaker 1>and claim that I am.

866
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:41.599
<v Speaker 2>But we recorded he and I recorded with a friend

867
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<v Speaker 2>of ours yesterday talking about did an episode on Thomas kun.

868
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh no, that's good stuff. Yeah, No, Daryl does

869
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<v Speaker 1>good content, you know, and like I said, I don't.

870
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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a problem with it. It's people to

871
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>say any stuff I've said or written in a constructive way.

872
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm mistake going for always citing the source of stuff,

873
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.519
<v Speaker 1>and I probably overdo it. But I want to make

874
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<v Speaker 1>sure that nobody feels slighted or like I'm a content

875
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:22.360
<v Speaker 1>thief or something, you know. And I don't want to

876
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<v Speaker 1>be accused of, you know, not respecting the entirety of

877
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>other people's work products. Like I said, I don't. I

878
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<v Speaker 1>if Daryl was disrespectful of me, you're like some just

879
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 1>like an asshole. Yeah, that would bother me. But he's

880
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:40.880
<v Speaker 1>he's not at all. He's always been very nice to me, man.

881
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 1>And so I don't. I don't know the problem. Yeah.

882
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And we did that Labor Day theme.

883
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:47.840
<v Speaker 2>We did that Labor Day stream together last year.

884
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I and I Burden hosted being him once. No,

885
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:56.000
<v Speaker 1>he's a good dude, man. I like him. I was

886
00:57:56.079 --> 00:58:00.159
<v Speaker 1>just it's more I mean, I'm legit. It It's just

887
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.480
<v Speaker 1>like an interesting phenomenon, man, you know. And like I said,

888
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I it surprises me, the the the places, and it's

889
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:14.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of the reach of some of my stuff penetrates

890
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 1>and I'm you know, like, uh, that's something I get.

891
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 1>I get. I get recognized weird places where I wouldn't

892
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 1>think that would happen. Like I could see it if

893
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I was wandering around like Northwest University campus or something

894
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:32.039
<v Speaker 1>University of Chicago or uh, like if I go to

895
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>like uh or like when I went to that National

896
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.119
<v Speaker 1>socialst black metal show. Like while I'm around like Beach,

897
00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:37.920
<v Speaker 1>They're like a bunch of dudes you know who I was.

898
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.519
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, yeah, I mean that it's weird when

899
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 1>it happens I got a plane or something, or like

900
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>when I'm like in the middle of the loop. But

901
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a strange thing. Man, I'm I'm gonna

902
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna interact. I i'd stick around, but some of

903
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the fellows are coming to meet me at the Landmark

904
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:04.079
<v Speaker 1>and it's which is great. Problem. Yeah, I'm still I'm

905
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.119
<v Speaker 1>far from me a hundred percent, so it's I don't

906
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:07.960
<v Speaker 1>need to be there for like an hour, but I

907
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.079
<v Speaker 1>I need to decompress it been to get myself together.

908
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:18.679
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have bush Mills and that'll help, but I

909
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:25.639
<v Speaker 1>want to I want to. Yeah, the sucker Darryl P. T.

910
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Siven is the real thing. Yeah, it is necessari earlier,

911
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:36.000
<v Speaker 1>But I said, I woke guys are just mad. Yeah, yeah,

912
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.039
<v Speaker 1>and it's personal to them, like some so the them

913
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:42.400
<v Speaker 1>have some girl who was a shitty person and and

914
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:48.679
<v Speaker 1>did crummy stuff or you know, embarrassed them somehow, so

915
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:52.519
<v Speaker 1>they built ideology around it, or they they didn't get

916
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>their rewards. They thought they should have to getting a

917
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 1>college degree, which is like bullshit these days. Anyways, And yeah,

918
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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I you know, one of the reasons

919
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I falling back in my faith a lot if I were.

920
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, a lot of people don't understand Televinism. I

921
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.320
<v Speaker 1>think it's just really severe and shitty. But one of

922
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:27.039
<v Speaker 1>the ways that it kind of converges with show Upenhower's

923
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Aryan Buddhism. You kind of just got what these negative

924
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 1>passions burn away. You know, you should you should never

925
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:42.840
<v Speaker 1>cease being angry about injustice ever, gonna be pathetic about

926
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:49.000
<v Speaker 1>things that demand vengeance. But you know, personally hating people

927
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.480
<v Speaker 1>is not good. I mean, I mean, I's not good

928
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.480
<v Speaker 1>for you. I'm not even saying, like an ethical terms

929
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that that's a different question. But you know, and uh,

930
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:03.280
<v Speaker 1>building and building agreement ideology is really really destructive and

931
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:07.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not a it's not a noble thing

932
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to do, you know, and we've got to aspire to

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01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:17.639
<v Speaker 1>be noble. That's another That's not a reason I, especially

934
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 1>as I age, I I take Ernst younger more and

935
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 1>more seriously. Possible Spangler or younger series calib in the future. Yeah,

936
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean I I I cover a lot of stuff

937
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.280
<v Speaker 1>with teet Man. We need a whole bloss a series,

938
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.639
<v Speaker 1>you know. I I had to cover Schopenhaur in there.

939
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:45.800
<v Speaker 1>If I didn't, I was very negligent. But I mean, I, uh,

940
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:53.480
<v Speaker 1>this Bangalarian stuff. Uh. I mean, I've done many deep

941
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:57.159
<v Speaker 1>dives into Frans part of YACHTI on mind Phase or

942
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:02.400
<v Speaker 1>other places, and try to get to all those conversations

943
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:09.639
<v Speaker 1>is always an discussion, a stingulary and thought. I mean, yeah,

944
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I I on my own platforms, I try to always

945
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:23.039
<v Speaker 1>keep stuff fresh, and it's a combination of what friends

946
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:25.599
<v Speaker 1>of mine and guys who I think have important things

947
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:30.400
<v Speaker 1>to say are up on, and the current zeitgeisten were

948
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 1>on peace situation and this other stuff. I'm consistently sort

949
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 1>of fascinated by. But you know, outside of that, I

950
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.440
<v Speaker 1>go with what people invite me on to talk about,

951
01:02:44.480 --> 01:02:49.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, and as as we continue with these streams,

952
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:56.639
<v Speaker 1>if people have questions on the topic of nature they

953
01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 1>want me to focus on, I mean, I'm happy to

954
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:04.159
<v Speaker 1>do that. What Yeah, I'm uh, let's get out of here.

955
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I'll I'll post this up when I get

956
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:14.639
<v Speaker 1>home tonight. It shouldn't be late. But yeah, I got

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01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:18.519
<v Speaker 1>great love for everybody for tipping in and participating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Pete, appreciate that. Well. Reconvene on Thursday again.

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01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Sorry I was so I was so ill this week,

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01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:28.920
<v Speaker 1>but I I'm definitely coming out of it, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>stay up everybody. Yeah later
