Speaker 1: Ray, We're live definitely. Yeah, thanks for doing this and
sorry for postponing. I was in really difficult shape the
past few days. But I think I'm going better, and
I know I am because I can. I can walk
around again basically unassisted, and that's a really awful feeling. Again,
I don't want to belaver these things because that's depressing
and it's laying. But it's fucked up man to not
be able to to not to not be able to
move around in your own power, you know. And I
plan to be around for a minute, Well there's no guarantees,
and uh, you know, I maybe well be around for
rather thirty or forty years. And I prefer not to
be wheeling around like Christopher Reeve or something. I mean,
in his case, he got injured in an incredibly stupid way.
I mean, and I'm not trying to be mean, but
becoming a quadrin because you were engaged in some foppish
rich guys sport and a horse like bucked you off
and like broke your fucking breen. That's really stupid, you know.
That's not uh, that's not like having a degenerative disease
or so like being a gladiator and getting again, like
hit so hard by Jack Tatum that like you just break.
It's like I've become I've become skilted to Questrian. Look
look at my tights and my dressage. It's like that's
some fagg it shit man. You know, like, uh, you
shouldn't be doing that. I mean, I I don't know
that that was a stupid rance, but I you have
these kinds of thoughts that you're sick and your mind's falling.
You got a feeder and you're like I can't get
up and walk around. I'm like, am I gonna turn
into some asshole in a wheelchair? Like not? I mean
not not. People in wheels aren't assholes, but I feel
like one just because and concern away and with my life.
I I wouldn't feel real thrill to a dad for
a few different reasons. But so and it's been on
my mind. I mean, these kinds of things are always
kind of on my mind conceptually because of what my
subject theories are. Since I've been on YouTube, since I
said up my channel, I've started I've started looking around
at what political content looks like. There are more I
mean both because I I want to get a sense
with the album. Right of the matter is I don't
totally fail at it. I mean again, I'm not I'm
not trying to stack up as many numbers as I
can because that's bullshit and I'm not a cloud chaser,
and also with the kind of thing I do with
that that would never happen anyway. But to get a
clear picture sort of of the state of the body
politic and how these major platforms, I mean, YouTube's not
properly social media, but it does have that aspect. I've started,
you know, and I watch YouTube a lot, but it's
curated stuff like I'll watch Military ninety forty five or
I'll watch which is some of these restored high depth
videos from the thurn Reich. I'll watch, you know, World
War one stuff or something. And I'll watch podcasts like
the Event Horizon Pod. But I don't consume a hell
of a lot of content. They're a putical nature rather
than Sean Ryan and prior Tuck. But so I'm doing
more of it, and there's an overwhelmed the overwhelming amount
of it. I haven't coded it, but it's got to
be it's got to be over seventy percent. It's got
to be close to three quardin eighty percent of the
politically coded content, it's anti woke stuff that's one hundred
percent about Hollywood I peas, or about what's on TV,
or about what some legacy media infotainment anchor is signaling,
or what Stephen Kolbert is saying, you know, And it's like, Okay,
if you're approaching it as this is you know what
legacy media is saying. We've got a lot of touch
they are, or this is how they're trying to characterize
or piece questions, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, that that
that makes sense, you know, especially if you're a media analyst,
and I'm not. You know, I'm a dad and junkie,
but I'm not. I don't deal in media primarily. But
that's not what it is. It's these guys saying this
is an outrage because I love Star Trek and the
woke Marxists are ruining it. And I mean, if that's
kind of lame anyway, especially if you're a grown man,
I understand if it was like teenagers or something. I mean,
I was never then invested in ips like from the
time like after I after I stop and obsessed with
you know things like like tabletop games and kids stuff.
I kind of beget obsessed with the shitomen do now,
like rock and roll and Third Reich and stuff. And
maybe that means like a stunted man. But I mean
my point being, even though I like stuff like Battlestar
Galactic or like Mad Cross Saga, that I wasn't like
invested in it, like it was like religion or something,
because they'd be fucked up. But these guys are, and
they're convinced that the cooler comp venue is is pop
cultural stuff. And aside the fact, I mean we could
I don't want to be cliche and talk about how
yeah you know, or be some containers old person be like, go,
if you know you're over twenty one, you shouldn't be
into that shuit or whatever. But I mean that case
could be made. But these guys, they their entire worldview
and the way they view authority, the way they view potentialities,
it's totally tethered due regime authority and adjacent elements like
legacy media. Like that's why would people ask like somethings
when it's a landmark or whatever. It's like outen about,
like guys and girls will strike up conversations with me
because I'm kind of an unusual looking person to be
Sura and the last one I'm into and obviously I
you know, other than flying the flag, I do like
I don't have discuss that kind of stuff with him,
but you know, I I don't know what to tell him, man,
because it's like, I'm not into the shig you're end
like the novelists I like, or guys who are friends,
like other than Shane Stevens and you know, uh, Gustave
Hasford and and stuff like that, the novelists Of'm into
our dudes, I know, and like you'll preay con it with.
I don't like read Harry Potter or watch Yellowstone or
there's some stupid ip that I'm like all invested in.
And honestly that's not some too cool over school code
but it's not it's not some new fangled thing. Man
like dude he got a lot of respect for is
you know Johnny Rotten, he's like a good dude and
he's he's the good kind of irishman you know, uh
who calls people out on ship, you know, without filter,
you know, and the whole when they when they canceled
him or tried to, you know, Johnny ronwel thing. The
way he presented it is, he's like, you know, we
were trying to create an alternative to the system and
what it was putting out because the system was trying
to wipe away actual culture, because that's the basis of descent,
you know. And uh Lion has got an interting backstory
because he grew up in a genuine white ghetto and
his parents were Irish immigrants I think originally settled at Mercyside,
didn't end up in London, you know. But and that's
that's when people didn't particularly like Irish people in London.
I mean, I'm sure now you can still go to mean,
I'm sure you can go to places on the mainland
where that's still the case, but it's probably more in
kind of like loyalists strongholds and stuff, you know, in Scotland.
But you know the whole, if you don't like what
the system is doing, if you're actually opposed to it,
you do exactly that. You do what these early punk
guys did and say what they're putting out on the
radio is garbage. We're gonna preate our own ship that
we think is cool. You know, and there was a
lot of that, I mean been in Italy in Europe,
especially visual art, but other kinds of creative activity that's
got an outsized impact on the political in a way
it doesn't in America. But that's why it's such a
joke when these bougies and these regime at Jason historians,
they pretend like the fascists or the National Socialists were
these mitt Romney guys who were who wanted to censor things.
It's like, these were the dudes you people censor. It
was literally an artist, like the dudes who constituted like
the March on Rome. It was a bunch of it was,
you know, it was. It was a bunch of self
identified out laws and artists and futurists who wanted and
you know, war veterans who developed a contempt for the
stability and the conceits of bourgeois life, you know, because
their forwud of experiences of teenagers and young men was
in the trenches. You know. This is something that normies
can never understand. And it plays in obviously to the
fact too that these fools, and most of whom admittedly
like live exclusively online, but some of them are plugged
into packs and stuff. You know, these guys being like
the plan trusters who Trump could literally like rape their
sister in front of them, and they say, like, you know,
for everybody Trump's doward it, here's his reasons. But they
they're obsessed with this idea that you can't possibly go
outside the parameters of the extent structure. And it's side
of the fact that that's historically obsolescent, Like why the
fuck would you want to involve yourself with that anyway?
But I mean, that's a litmus test, you know, if
you're not if you if you're obsessed with abiding convention
is defined by regime authority, you know, you're you're a
bougie fuck who's obsessed with fitting in and not making
waves and god forbid breaking the law, you know. And
those people have nothing to do with us. They're they're
they're the opposite of us. They they think that we
should be locked up, you know, And that's I know,
people come down on me too for talking about bougie
sensibilities because they can't think outside the box. They think
that's just like some term or something. But you don't understand,
like well, street people and rich people in other words,
people with hustle, they don't think that way. It's only
trashy strivers who are obsessed with clout and are obsessed
with what randoms are gonna think about them, and who
who love the police for their for its own sake.
They're the people who think that way, you know, And
that's why everybody, that's why everybody dumps on them, because
they're fucking assholes, you know, like they're it's.
Speaker 2: A wealthy A wealthy person is A wealthy person is
only interested in the regime to see how they can
use it, either for they can use their wealth to
either make sure that it doesn't touch them or that
it can somehow benefit them. But that doesn't necessarily I mean,
you're a rich person, you know, like Miriam Adelson or
something like that. You think she actually worships politicians, think
she actually worships cops. No, she has utter disdain for them.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also too if you were, if you were
a rich guy or lady, the police work for you
such that you have anything to do with them. But
like something I realized separates me from bougiees. What kind
of a person, what kind of a rational adult man?
A woman calls the police, as if there's some conflict
resolution service, like no hood dude, no fucking outlaw lait dude,
and no, no, no rich guy would ever do that,
because if you do that, you're a complete fuckhead. And
it's also just not the way adults think, like you're
gonna go tell the teacher, like you you call the
police on yourself because somebody hurt your feelings or you
can't sort your own shit out. You know, it's like
the fuck's wrong with you? You know. Anybody who thinks
that way, their epistemic priors are fucked, you know, and
they're not. They're they're not educable. You know. That was
that was Metzger's old point, and he was he was
right about that. And that's just one Uh that that's
just one example. And I'm not I don't care to
goorically hate the police despite the fam. I mean, I
never call them. I don't trust them. But uh, one
of the fellows who's coming to he's coming by to
meet me because he's in town visiting family. He is
a police, you know, and he's a good dude. I mean,
I uh, there's as my wife, I'm not going to
open up to him, but it's kind of the way
I'm with everybody who's not you know, like somebody who's
a true friend of mine. But uh, you know, people,
I don't like it when people is trying to dismiss
what I say is if I'm some police hater because
of the way I live my life and stuff and
because of my background.
Speaker 2: Well, I told me, guy told me years ago, probably
twenty years ago. He's the only reason to call the
police is if like your bank account gets hacked and
you have to fill out a police report to like
get the insurance on it, because only or.
Speaker 1: If you blastom guy breaking in your house and it's like,
well I'm calling you, you don't claim I just fucking
murdered this guy in cold blood. There's a dead body
in my fucking front lawn. But yeah, and I called
my lawyer before I called the police. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like,
don't get me wrong. Still, and if you're a single
woman in the big city or something, I'm not talking
about that. I'm talking about these dickheads where it's like
you will looked at me wrong. I'm gonna call the
police because I'm a because I'm a white nigger, goyous fuckhead,
like Uh, you know, I'd like if I actually pose
that question in normies who pulled that on me? It
hadn't happened lately, but that probably is gonna happen again soon.
You know, I'm calling the police, and I say, okay,
I mean obviously I bounce immediately. I'm not gonna like
wait around to like hash this out in the conversation
with the fucking police is. But I say, like, what
exactly are you gonna tell them? And they give this
like the fuddled look where it's like in their in
their in their little mind, it's like you offended me
or hurt my feels. So if of course I'm calling
the police because they're they're the teacher and they're gonna
make you do math problems on the truck board or
wrap your knuckles or something, you know, But I they
should be an obvious point, but it's not, and it
plays into a broader thing. Man. You realize how not
on side these people are. Like I remember, like when
I right before I got out of law school, that's
when these freaks were. That's when they're big fetish was
pretending that there's something that exists called gay marriage. So
when people would ask you about it, I'd say, well,
that doesn't exist, like what you ought to say about it,
it doesn't exist. It's a marriage is a categorically discreet sacrament.
Then not the state can't declare that the non existence
of something in human societies is an example of invidious
discrimination and then steak it into reality. I'm like, if
you think that judges, can you eight human sacramental practices
by speaking them? Well, you think you think judges are sorcerers?
Are they some like supreme or been a council their
holy men? I mean that the government could say tomorrow
that you know, grass isn't green, it is blue, Like,
why why would I care? So people acting like they're
gonna ruin marriage? I'm like, why what this is? This
is not whing the government's purview, and it's like a
masturdity anyway. And it'd be like if it'd be like
if I said, you know, there's no human societies that
hold funerals for living people. That's because they're denying a
live people of the festive celebration and the sober reverence
given to dead people. That's discrimination. You know, I'm gonna
I'm gonna see to it that the local magistrate issues
a declaratory judgment that living people have a human right
to a funeral. Okay, I mean if I so I
walked outside and there was people enjoying funerals who all lives.
If they were like a little taving a birthday party,
those people are disturbed, or they're really really really fucking stupid,
or they're just delusional, like this idea that government can
annihilate culture to a declaratory judgments and some crazy Jewish
judge like, I don't understand how people think that way,
but they do. You know. That's why a bunch of
these queers who like want to buy PC Principal hexf
soiled underwear and stuff these like these like these like
closet socket, sausage, jockey vet, burros and stuff. They're like
all peeing in their pants and super happy because they're
like PC Principle ended woke. I'm like, well, what do
they do? Is the military's mandate no longer to enforce
social engineering by violence? Did he removed out pressing them
with sexuals and females from the military. No, he said
he can do a lot of push ups, and he
he drops Instagram videos of him lifting weights like some
little kid and uh then he says that he's like
a billy badass war fighter, and like that's it to
these people, you know, because they're like, yeah, see, like
the last guy he was talking about woke stuff. You know,
it's uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, HEGs up, got rid of the woke stuff. Now
it's just uh double the punishment if you make a
ju show. Yeah what else he didn't get rid of
the woke stuff? Like he's he's in principle, you know,
like he'll he'll like threaten to like physically assault you
if you like make a sexist joke or something like that.
That's his that's his angle, that's his jive. But I
mean the fact is, I mean, anybody who thinks the
military's cool at all, it's like fucked in the head,
like I.
Speaker 1: You know, it'd be uh it'd be like uh like
any self identify like you know, I'm pro white, right wing,
but I love the US military. It'd be like a
commandsche being like I love the cavalry. It was awesome
when like they told me fucked up my way of
what like you know. So that's why people need I mean,
that's why anybody who claims me on side needs to
cut ties with this bullshit, you know, and that's not
I and I mean that's to be clear. I mean,
that's just a complicated point. But it is reducible to
some precepts that should be fair leaded in brass human psychology.
It's it's highly symbolic conceptually. It's that's part of the
way the mind structures the world, you know, as it
receives inputs. You know, it'd be interesting to see how
if you know, like if there was truly somebody who
was availed the centric deprivation, like how that would shake out.
I don't mean like some stupid fancy story like like
the Helen Keller story that was someone pushed by old
anglophone socialists and new dealers. I mean if there actually
was a man or a woman of high intelligence who
went blinding definitely on or was otherwise availed the centric deprivation,
like what neural pathways would develop and how symbolic psychology
would shake out within their own conceptual in our life.
But those kind of thought experiments aside, you know, people
they'd become attached instinctively to this idea that the authority
that they can witness an experience or tangibly brush up
against this. That's kind of their stand in for that,
That's kind of their stand in for God. You know.
That's also why even people you'd think would know better
when they talk about government solutions. It's not just as
if these things can resolve social problems or or or
material deprivation or things of that nature. It's not just that.
It's not just a divide between Keensians and supply siders.
It's people literally thinking that there's something miraculous about the
ability of government to render outcomes, you know, in sociological
and material terms, and that that doesn't make any sense,
you know whatsoever. And vanguardists don't think that way because
by definition, they don't just reject the legitimacy of the
regime they live under. They they don't view it as
anything other than a configuration of power that is, has
become permanent owing to accommodation of historical conditions and deliberate contrivances.
You know. They may have other conceptual biases, you know,
even take like the Probos in Northern Ireland. They believe
that tiluricy utopia of their own at argue. But even
that I think was probably tempered by the reality of
you know, a thirty year cycle of of partisan warfare.
I mean that that's a combinated question. Let me say
cology is as a partisan with respect to state craft
and the symbolic aspects of of the lyric authority and
political power.
Speaker 2: But stay on utopia for a second there, Yeah, it
seems it seems like that is Yep. There are a
bunch of people who are running around who are so
ideologically possessed that anything short of their like they believe
that they they're basically advocating for their utopia and nothing less,
and they don't want to do anything to achieve that
or try to make it happen other than post online.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they're not they're not actually engaged, you know.
And and that's also that that's pure political theology becau.
It's not just faith based, but it doesn't entail antial practice.
It's like the set of rigid conceptual prejudices and secularized values.
It nevertheless are gopsude to religious paradigm within the minds
of the congrean.
Speaker 2: But if you're advocating, if you're advocating for your utopia online,
I mean, what are you doing other than trying to
say that you can reach that utopia by trying to
take a hold of the existing regime, which by advocating
for a utopia, you're saying that you want to just
you know, you want to overthrow. Unless you're so delusional
that you think that you can have your utopia within
regime framework.
Speaker 1: Well, no, they're not even there's not even that sophisticated
conceptual practice behind this. It's like you and Anthony Ramundo
said when you when you set off these libertarian guys.
These weren't a bunch of these weren't a bunch of
guys with the hustle or small businessmen and or private
equity guys even or anything. There's like weirdo pothead guys
like living off some women who were like saying weirdo
shit online and they were doing that. They were nothing
to help people resist, you know, the the covid mannis
and things, because it's not what it's about way and
it's not like weird cult and uh, they're waiting for
some that's also one of these guys. A lot of
these guys are like goofy preppers even though they're even
though they go they don't know a name about homesteading,
and they're not like country guys because it's they got
this like delude story or this apocalypse narrative where there's
gonna be some punctuated event where all these things are
gonna come to pass that they want to happen by
way of you know, punctuated equilibrium. And I mean again
it is it's just like faith based bullshit, you know,
And that's hanging.
Speaker 2: Around the go about the Libertarians hanging around them. What
I really started to understand after a while was that
they were creating these packs and they wanted to take
over the Libertarian Party, which is a it is a
registered political party that gets money, YadA YadA, for one reason.
They were all they basically wanted a job to get
paid for doing nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that was yeah as the only I mean there
was sure. I knew a couple of people in there
who were successful in their private life. They had you know,
they were successful in they had jobs, they had businesses,
they had careers. But for the most part, it was
people who really hated their jobs and saw this as
an opportunity to basically have a job where they didn't
really have to do anything. And then when you started
digging into it, you found out, oh, if you know
some guy and and it was just basically they were
they were complaining about the regime while getting a job
in the party and then getting grant money from the
party for your wife or girlfriend and just doing exactly
what the regime does.
Speaker 1: Well they that's libertarianism has always been a cult. If
you're not you know, I one of the things like
younger is because I, you know, I I relate to that.
And there's also a medical practice there. And if you're
a you know, and and and and anarchism do you
won't realize that anarchism was a serious tendency. I mean,
they blew up the reason why we got the you know,
uh new Federal Court ausm ultimately became the the Dermsen Center,
and then they literally blew up the old Chicago Federal Court.
But anarchism, it is a real tendency, you know, that
has a practice behind it. And the cynical is or
worth reading, including George Sorell, who's underappreciated political theorist, there's
a lot of convergence there, Like the reason why these
guys don't identify with Dad is because first of all,
they're they're they're basically Midwa bougies. That's why they're into
garbage like an orand and but they're also they're fixated
on these positive liberties that they that they think are
so important, whether it's smoking weed, and I guess that's
kind of not their thing anymore because now you can
smoke weed without getting heat from the law, or like
it's some like weird sex paraphilia or or some bullshit
like that, you know, because it's totally cult coded, you know.
I I'm a I'm probably the most anti government person
I know. I can't think of anything I have in
common with libertarians, including first and foremost too, like why
it's like why why do you guys have a party
like that? That doesn't make me sense in America anyway,
you know. And uh, I do hope people really think
I'm being a petant, but it's it's asinine that people
pretend that the Democrats and Republicans are parties they're not,
you know, and single member districts and the entire way
the and a winner take all system, I mean, the
constitutionally America structure so that there won't be political parties,
that's by design, you know. And plus, I mean, like
the feat it's it's it's it's it's counterintuitive or or
it's an oxy moron. I'm going to start a political
party to challenge for elections to get rid of the government.
So like my policy, you want to get into the
government and create this whole glorwal apparatus is we're gonna
like shut down the government. We're gonna use our political
party in this whole apparatus to shut down the government
that we just gotta see what didn't do Like that,
that's that's that's like Brady's fire department that starts fires,
you know. And it's like too, I mean again, it's
like it's like, okay, if you're so nowadays, I'm always
emphasizing and I'm old enough to have witnessed this transition
for decades. The mobility of capital and the availability of
information and present sense awareness to the second and not
the millisecond. This changed everything. If you want to quit
regime ship, you can. You know, you've got a lot
of freedom to do stuff now. So I think if
you're Joe libertarian, and even if I think you're in
a dumb stuff, I want to smoke a bunch of
pot and like screw a bunch of girls. Okay, so
go do that, Like why who's stopping you from doing that?
You know, But again that's not what it's about to them.
I mean that's part of its They got juvenile interest,
but it's it's it's this aerosots religion, well, eco plyitical feology.
Speaker 2: Well anybody who has leftist sndencies and leftist inclinations, it wants.
Speaker 1: Wants it to be.
Speaker 2: They know that, they know for a fact that it's
against nature and it's unnatural, and they want they're looking
for somebody to say, yes, this is okay. And that's
why you always see you have to have gay marriage,
you have to have you know, prostitution is good. All
this stuff has to be good because they know deep
down inside that it's not and they need so they
have to advertise it and they have to try to
advocate it for it politically so that people can say, yes, yes,
you're okay with this, Like when you look at libertarians everything,
when advocate for something, it's like literally the only wins
that they ever get are things that help the regime.
Of course, the regime never gives them a never gives
them what they want. Which is to weaken itself so
they can be like, oh, we were for gay marriage
before everybody else was for game. Oh and by the way,
Trump says that too, we were for gay marriage before
everybody else was for gay marriage. Yeah, how's that working out?
Speaker 1: What's awesome? I mean anybody, you know, again, anybody would
anybody who had a serious anarchist sensibility or a liberty
oriented sensibility and the classical sense would be demanding. I mean,
the irs needs to go away before anything else happened.
I mean, that's that's that's both just like naked theft
of capital and it's a terror mechanism, you know. I
mean that's so Yeah, I mean they're not serious, but yeah,
it's like a boogie thing, like they need the teacher
to tell them that they're not being naughty, you know.
And again like I I'm sure this sounds like some
contrary and bullshit or something. But if if they're a
Gene liked me, and if if normanis liked me, I'd
know that I was kind of fucked up. Yeah, that's
kind of my metory. You know.
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want some Zionists. I don't
want some Zionists on Twitter praising me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't want I don't want the government
telling me that, like the stuff I'm into is cool
or you know, you you shouldn't go out of your
way to flaunt the law or pick fights with the
police or do foolish you know, decide you know you're
gonna go out and be some gangster and get Richard.
I trying, but you've got to be cornicled with being
an outlaw. And in fact, I mean you should be
more than carnival whether it should be kind of like
a core aspect of your sensibility, you know. And that's
like I said, I mean, that's that's why the that's
why the original punk ethos. I mean that that sounds
corny because so many people can book that ship in
like stupid ways. But you know, rock and roll uh
is uh dangerous. That's why the regime is always trying
to crush it. Like I as far as I like
Merurle Allen, I'm just like a kind of into his
stuff because I like seeing old guys are still at it.
Who who can who where the minority can pull it off?
But also he's into kind of the same sort of
stuff I am. And when we went to see the
Murdered Junkies play last summer down at Reggie's on the
South Side, that's kind as what I talked to him about,
you know, like because I bought some of his shirts
and stuff, and uh, I'm just like yeah, man, I'm like,
uh you know, I'm like, I it's Stipe that you
know you play year because we wanted to come see
you for a minute. He's like, oh yeah, He's like
I always played Chicago, always played Detroit, you know, because
we always get a lot of love here. And I'm
like yeah, man, and uh I I talked to him
for a minute. Uh, and like I bought like three
shirt from him, and then like I tipped him like
twenty bucks just we're playing on like an awesome show.
You really appreciated that because I frankly like the kinds
of guys all the murder Jonki, He's like, never any
fucking money, let's be honest, you know what. Uh no, man,
And I didn't come out of like a heavy political tip,
but uh, you know I was wearing look at Johnny thundershirt.
So we were talking about like alphabet city and stuff.
Back in the early nineties because that periodically the video
the last day of his brother's life, of gd Ellen's life,
this is this. This was nineteen ninety three and it
was at this shithole venue called the gas Station in
Alphabet City, and I mean that's when it was supposed aboucalyptic.
I mean you're you're in New York or you know
what it was like and some guy or some girl
had some old, bulky like sony camcorder and was filming
everything that was happening, and Gigen is Entourage and all
these crazy annicts and punks and skinheads like fighting with
the police and stuff. Then uh it goes on for
like twenty minutes. But then uh, like it's been on
YouTube forever. It's some some choppedup version of it, but uh,
it period even goes viral because some nornie finds it
there one of the four Chan wackos just uh decides
he wants to it to circulate again or something. But uh, no,
I was talking about we were talking about how how
how putic we charged. Uh the scene was back then
and he's like, oh yeah, you know, he's like, it's
you know, nothing like today. And he's like, uh, he's
a guy, was he people are thirsty for something because
he's like, we got Kat's house here. Merles like, it's
not just us playing. You know, we had three other
bands playing before us. We're local guys, and you know
it was, uh, it was mostly youngsters there. You know,
I was, Uh, I was one of the older guys
on deck man, you know. And that's uh, that's that,
that's that that pattern is discernible, you know, and uh,
there's always a resistance element to popular culture. That's why
one of the reasons why to bring it back. I
realized that none of these supposedly like anti woke guys
are on side because they they think the stuff that
like I'm into is fucked up. You know, they want
to why they're mad because they want Star Wars to
not have gross like gay stuff in it, or they
they think like they think they're like Green Day is
a great band or something, or they you know, they're uh,
it's not a it's not a conversation that uh we
want to be part of because it's it's it's boozy
shit man, Like it's uh, it'd be like a bunch
of provos or a bunch of uh black shirts like uh,
seeking out a bunch of social democrats, UH like hang
out and fucking bullshit with them about like the the
text regime or something, or you know, it's like why
why the fund will we do that? You know? I
mean that's that's why it's a positive thing, man. I
mean it's it's not positive when dudes actually are on
side or excuse me, I'm still pretty sick. It's not
positive when dudes actually are on side or curating bad
blood and stuff. That's one of the reasons why I'm
I'm I'm gonna formally structure my own thing, you know,
to like in part because I think that's I think
that's this was proper. But I think it's also gonna
eat some of the tension, you know. But what is
positive is, uh, you know, if if the coalition that
uh carried Trump into office in twenty sixteen, if that's fracturing,
that's not a bad thing, man, because like, what what
mattered about it was the fact that the solent majority.
That was the real that was the real point at
which where the solent majority robbed the regime of its legitimacy.
I mean that had been that had been developing for
a couple of decades. I'd argue since the mid nineties,
but that's when it actually happened. Trump the guy was
never important. This idea of it was so great that
we look at Trump, We've got to preserve this clos
all cost It's like, no, you're not in the game.
You don't. You don't get it because the the proverbial, Uh,
you can't. You can't undo these sorts of happenings. You can't.
You can't restore legitimacy. I mean, really, the only way
the government can return to the credibility it had under
Reagan and the last gas bat was really when when
Bush's approval was like skyrocketed, decide unseen since the CANi
year immediately after the Gulf War. Okay, but that there
was a whole restructuring in America after nineteen sixty eight,
sixty nine, seventy, you know, I mean that that's what
catapulted Nixon into office, and they realized, uh, they had
to abide a personage like Reagan, otherwise they all legitimately
would have been forfeit. And they couldn't afford to roll
the dice on that during peak Cold War because that
would have seeded the that that that that that would
have seeded the planet to the communists, frankly, and that
changes everything. But you know, the there's never going to
be a return to the way things were before. And
if there was a more flexible system, if a system
was in place, not unlike existed. Uh, from about the
Grant administration until Wilson's first term, the the political culture
was a lot more malleable, you know what I mean there.
I mean, things were totally different then. But despite what
people say, what isolationism America was, America wasn't world power.
I mean obviously, you know.
Speaker 2: But it was so malleable that Pale Settlement's Jewics to
come in here and basically take it over.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that that that was that was a
revolutionary and imperative by the New Dealers, I mean yeah.
And part of that was, oh do the war between
the States having crushed what was the have been the
sort of natural immunity to the kind of subversion. I mean,
I grew there ganulty that the true the moment at
which uh, the U a political right wing was was
was just eradicated was the War between the States. It
wasn't seventeen eighty nine and then what happened in Europe
was the reaction to that, because you know, there was
an entire nexus the causation that touched and concerned everything
that ensued subsequently. And uh, well so I mean it
had Uh it's easy to imagine too. You know, an
a an America allied with the Kaiser, right if the
wars of Stage dragged on and became a quagmire that
was never resolved. I obviously you know only his politics.
Heuse some he's some old school jew socialists, but uh
they guy Harry Turtle Dub He's written some stuff that's
just silly, like the World War series with these like
aliens assault during Word War two. It's fucking stupid. But
he he's written some compelling stuff, and one of which
was where the warm in the States ends in the
stalemate and the borderlands like Missouri and Bleeding Kansas, there's
kind of permanent, low key, h low intensity warfare going on.
Then when World War One breaks out, the Confederacy backs
the UK and France and the Union becomes solidly allied
with the kaiser Reich. You know, so you've got Union
troops fighting on behalf. The Union joins the German offensive
in nineteen eighteen, and then the Confederates are holding a
line in France nor in a northeastern France to try
and stop the assault which would have happened. I mean,
the Confederates had a lot better relations with the UK
than an American. Did you know this idea that the
Trent Affair I don't agree with. You get some revisionists
A G. B. Taylor wasn't really revisionist, but he so
head out to the story and is going to Trent
affair could have led to a naval shooting war between
the Crown and the United States, And I don't accept that.
But relations were not good. But because it may you
know that to the point we were discussing, I mean
that kind of facial was interesting anyway, but the contrary
was very much at a proverbial decision point from the
eighteen seventies until the nineteen teens that there there could
have been a number of different outcomes. You know, we
was not set in stone in any way. But the uh,
I know you're not wrong. I mean, there's there there's
a reason that the subversion of of a political culture
by a hostile element that insinuates itself is a new elite. Uh.
That doesn't happen by accident, and it doesn't happen where
there's a robust legitimacy enjoyed by a government serving a
basically united body politics. But there's complicated factors there. And
one of the reasons I the the consolidation of the
Westphalian state as it reaches true zenith, that was the
handmade in the Jewish power. That's hot a Rents point too,
you know, outside of a Westphalian system or a state
system as we know it, like like core Jews, they
don't have any political power. You know, I went to
the other day, is what the joke when people like
Cromwell was a bad man because he didn't like Pooram Jews.
It's like, why why would he care? Like what the
fucking house the Stewart and the Jews had going on?
Like it wasn't these kings didn't ban the Askanasam from
their countries because they you know, they they were they
were doing it for Christ and for the the English
race or something they were doing. They don't want to
pay their fucking bills. I guess why, you know, why,
why why would Cromwell care about that? You know, that
that was interestingly, I mean that was uh that that
was the only things about in Leers uh spelt the
way he did about his lom as a historical tendency,
you know they I mean you usually he's a big,
a big crime traditionally, and Daryl is lamb. But also
any any any any Saltan who was borrowing money from
from uh Jewish lenders, he he would have his head
removed from his body. You know, the the Jews old
Jerusalem and they were literally like locked behind it, get
a wall. They weren't doing ship you know, they weren't
building a capital base. They weren't there they were they were,
they weren't the court and money lenders and and the
de fact though sort of shuttle diplomats to you know,
the the uh to the to the Ottomans or uh
the uh the um the odds before them or anything
like that.
Speaker 2: You know, That's what That's what people don't get today.
The people who are like, oh, we just need the right,
we need our people running the government as it is
right now, It's like no, the reason why you why
they're why Jewish power is what it is is because
of the system and how the system is designed and
how it works. It's not because they can go into
any system and take it over and subverted. No, this
system is designed for subversion. And if you're trying to
save this system and get your peoples in charge of it, no,
they are going to be subverted.
Speaker 1: Well. Also, I don't understand they think the government is
doing for them. I mean not I'll even qualified by
saying I'm not even suggesting that as in some blanket capacity,
but I it's obviously anybody who has any ability to
perceive these things or understands the configuration of government. This
regime is designed to fight the Cold War and preside
over a mid twentieth century superpower. As it's a resources
are consolidated and marshalled and its capital bases modified and
extended to ultimately become a planetary system. Like that's it.
You know, This isn't the government of George Washington two
point zero or something, you know, and it's not this
perennial thing like I it's an obsolesce. It's a bloated
obsolescence some of other things. E if it wasn't actively
I mean, I don't think you can extricate it's it's
it's cold or comp priorities from its structural aspects. But
I mean that that's that's arguable. But even if those
things could be redacted, I again, and even if it
could be rendered neutral somehow, it's just an obsolescence. Like
what what do people get out of this? You know?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they're some people are fully convinced that
if they can get their people in charge of it,
that they can they can control it for their people.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that's not a point. They're idiots
and it's they but they I mean, they shouldn't even
think of those turns. It's just because, like I said,
just stand in. It's a it's an aristotce uh theological
concept to them. You know, they don't they don't have
a they don't have a Roman Catholic churist, or a
or a kind of Bible Protestant uh sensibility about the
inner witness. Then said, they have they have government and
its apparently like courts, a rabbinic council. They can speak
things into existence and you know, miraculous occurrence is going
to be brought to bear by the stroke of a
pen or by some sort of article to order, you know,
But that's again that's why these people aren't. That's why
these people aren't on side, and they'll be.
Speaker 2: You can also hear it in their language. They have
the language of democracy. We need to convince like fifty
one percent of the people. And if we can just
convince fifty one percent of the people, then we can
have real change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, only only a total dickhead thinks that way,
you know.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, I mean if we if we got
to the point where there were a million people watching this,
we wouldn't have to do this anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if in terms a million people watching this,
we'd be we've be doing something wrong. It mean that
like basically we were like that Stephen Colbert or something.
But yeah, yeah, well I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the uh, if the culture changes,
you know, if there's a dramatic culture change, then you know,
we might we might have a million people watching this.
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows? I mean no, And don't get
me wrong, like I said the other day, and I
wasn't this chap anger being silly, You're being deluded. All
I've talked to Burn about this, I talked to Burden
about this consistently. We'll record something or burn and island
a discussion about something, or I'll raise a talking point
and then like three days later, like Friar talk will
basically be like lifting that exact talking point, you know.
And so yeah, I know, I know guys like him
are into I for no other reason that you know,
they want to. I don't. I like tumber Carlson. I
like what he does, and I'm sure he's a good dude.
But you know, you see sound like East Coast Brahm,
and uh, he don't really associate with people like us.
How the hell would he know kind of what the
conversation is like. So I'm sure he consumes their content
if another reason, and just kind of get a sense
of those things. But you know, there's a lot of
people who lift my content. We've got a way wider
audience than I who you know, I mean, I've got
very small audience. But I do maintain that I have
an outside impact, because I mean that's just the way
things go, you know. It's I'm like the Velvet Underground
of political commentators or analysts, you know, like the velven
Underground never really popped, but like everybody ever even pop
was at the Velvet Underground and Johnny Thunders and shoot,
oh there you go.
Speaker 2: You know yeah there Ramones never never got their their props,
but like they inspired like all the British the whole
British punk movement that became punk.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah once also too like that. I can't remember
the name of it. It was one of the it
was the one trauma movie that was uh it was
like cinema veritated. It was like a serious movie. You
can't I'm having brain fog. I can't remember the title.
Speaker 2: But uh.
Speaker 1: That and there's that one part where that dude uh
he like hits Thunders on stage. So Thunders like whack
some of his guitar and uh, like they asked Thunders
about it later you saw her like yeah, like the
same people like punched me up on stage and call
me a fucking asshole junkie. You like steal my rits
and ship. It's like, well that's why it's Thunder is
my spirit animal. It's like, yeah, we'll do the same
ship to meet man. You know. It's uh yeah, no,
the guy's in the Mister Remaster. Yeah he he knows.
Darryl Uh Daryl went on a show and and and
plagiarized all my talking boys. I'm not man at Darryl,
So don't please don't go out and say like I'm
not I've got a rop towards him or something. But like, literally,
you like the dude like lifted words for word, uh
my talking points on Churchill and everybody's like, like ran
the country? Did you hear what that? Darrel goes to
look true, tool this like a totally original point that
no one ever said before. I'm like, yeah, it's like, yeah,
where have I heard that before? Oh? That's right, I
said it. But you know again, it's not it's not
I don't know, funk up cloud or whatever. If if
people want to take my talking points, then the semi
thumb in a constructive way. I mean, okay, that's fine.
I'm not I'm not mad about that. It's just interesting
to me and not. Darrel's a good guy. He's always
been very respectful of me. So I'm again, I'm not
saying bad things about him, So please don't go off
and claim that I am.
Speaker 2: But we recorded he and I recorded with a friend
of ours yesterday talking about did an episode on Thomas kun.
Speaker 1: Uh huh no, that's good stuff. Yeah, No, Daryl does
good content, you know, and like I said, I don't.
I don't have a problem with it. It's people to
say any stuff I've said or written in a constructive way.
I'm mistake going for always citing the source of stuff,
and I probably overdo it. But I want to make
sure that nobody feels slighted or like I'm a content
thief or something, you know. And I don't want to
be accused of, you know, not respecting the entirety of
other people's work products. Like I said, I don't. I
if Daryl was disrespectful of me, you're like some just
like an asshole. Yeah, that would bother me. But he's
he's not at all. He's always been very nice to me, man.
And so I don't. I don't know the problem. Yeah.
And we did that Labor Day theme.
Speaker 2: We did that Labor Day stream together last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I and I Burden hosted being him once. No,
he's a good dude, man. I like him. I was
just it's more I mean, I'm legit. It It's just
like an interesting phenomenon, man, you know. And like I said,
I it surprises me, the the the places, and it's
kind of the reach of some of my stuff penetrates
and I'm you know, like, uh, that's something I get.
I get. I get recognized weird places where I wouldn't
think that would happen. Like I could see it if
I was wandering around like Northwest University campus or something
University of Chicago or uh, like if I go to
like uh or like when I went to that National
socialst black metal show. Like while I'm around like Beach,
They're like a bunch of dudes you know who I was.
But it's like, yeah, I mean that it's weird when
it happens I got a plane or something, or like
when I'm like in the middle of the loop. But
you know, it's a strange thing. Man, I'm I'm gonna
I'm gonna interact. I i'd stick around, but some of
the fellows are coming to meet me at the Landmark
and it's which is great. Problem. Yeah, I'm still I'm
far from me a hundred percent, so it's I don't
need to be there for like an hour, but I
I need to decompress it been to get myself together.
We're gonna have bush Mills and that'll help, but I
want to I want to. Yeah, the sucker Darryl P. T.
Siven is the real thing. Yeah, it is necessari earlier,
But I said, I woke guys are just mad. Yeah, yeah,
and it's personal to them, like some so the them
have some girl who was a shitty person and and
did crummy stuff or you know, embarrassed them somehow, so
they built ideology around it, or they they didn't get
their rewards. They thought they should have to getting a
college degree, which is like bullshit these days. Anyways, And yeah,
you know, and I you know, one of the reasons
I falling back in my faith a lot if I were.
You know, a lot of people don't understand Televinism. I
think it's just really severe and shitty. But one of
the ways that it kind of converges with show Upenhower's
Aryan Buddhism. You kind of just got what these negative
passions burn away. You know, you should you should never
cease being angry about injustice ever, gonna be pathetic about
things that demand vengeance. But you know, personally hating people
is not good. I mean, I mean, I's not good
for you. I'm not even saying, like an ethical terms
that that's a different question. But you know, and uh,
building and building agreement ideology is really really destructive and
it's not it's not a it's not a noble thing
to do, you know, and we've got to aspire to
be noble. That's another That's not a reason I, especially
as I age, I I take Ernst younger more and
more seriously. Possible Spangler or younger series calib in the future. Yeah,
I mean I I I cover a lot of stuff
with teet Man. We need a whole bloss a series,
you know. I I had to cover Schopenhaur in there.
If I didn't, I was very negligent. But I mean, I, uh,
this Bangalarian stuff. Uh. I mean, I've done many deep
dives into Frans part of YACHTI on mind Phase or
other places, and try to get to all those conversations
is always an discussion, a stingulary and thought. I mean, yeah,
I I on my own platforms, I try to always
keep stuff fresh, and it's a combination of what friends
of mine and guys who I think have important things
to say are up on, and the current zeitgeisten were
on peace situation and this other stuff. I'm consistently sort
of fascinated by. But you know, outside of that, I
go with what people invite me on to talk about,
you know, and as as we continue with these streams,
if people have questions on the topic of nature they
want me to focus on, I mean, I'm happy to
do that. What Yeah, I'm uh, let's get out of here.
Yeah yeah, I'll I'll post this up when I get
home tonight. It shouldn't be late. But yeah, I got
great love for everybody for tipping in and participating. Yeah,
thank you, Pete, appreciate that. Well. Reconvene on Thursday again.
Sorry I was so I was so ill this week,
but I I'm definitely coming out of it, so yeah,
stay up everybody. Yeah later