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Speaker 1: Ray, We're live definitely. Yeah, thanks for doing this and

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sorry for postponing. I was in really difficult shape the

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past few days. But I think I'm going better, and

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I know I am because I can. I can walk

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around again basically unassisted, and that's a really awful feeling. Again,

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I don't want to belaver these things because that's depressing

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and it's laying. But it's fucked up man to not

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be able to to not to not be able to

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move around in your own power, you know. And I

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plan to be around for a minute, Well there's no guarantees,

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and uh, you know, I maybe well be around for

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rather thirty or forty years. And I prefer not to

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be wheeling around like Christopher Reeve or something. I mean,

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in his case, he got injured in an incredibly stupid way.

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I mean, and I'm not trying to be mean, but

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becoming a quadrin because you were engaged in some foppish

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rich guys sport and a horse like bucked you off

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and like broke your fucking breen. That's really stupid, you know.

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That's not uh, that's not like having a degenerative disease

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or so like being a gladiator and getting again, like

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hit so hard by Jack Tatum that like you just break.

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It's like I've become I've become skilted to Questrian. Look

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look at my tights and my dressage. It's like that's

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some fagg it shit man. You know, like, uh, you

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shouldn't be doing that. I mean, I I don't know

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that that was a stupid rance, but I you have

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these kinds of thoughts that you're sick and your mind's falling.

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You got a feeder and you're like I can't get

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up and walk around. I'm like, am I gonna turn

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into some asshole in a wheelchair? Like not? I mean

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not not. People in wheels aren't assholes, but I feel

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like one just because and concern away and with my life.

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I I wouldn't feel real thrill to a dad for

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a few different reasons. But so and it's been on

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my mind. I mean, these kinds of things are always

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kind of on my mind conceptually because of what my

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subject theories are. Since I've been on YouTube, since I

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said up my channel, I've started I've started looking around

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at what political content looks like. There are more I

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mean both because I I want to get a sense

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with the album. Right of the matter is I don't

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totally fail at it. I mean again, I'm not I'm

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not trying to stack up as many numbers as I

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can because that's bullshit and I'm not a cloud chaser,

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and also with the kind of thing I do with

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that that would never happen anyway. But to get a

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clear picture sort of of the state of the body

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politic and how these major platforms, I mean, YouTube's not

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properly social media, but it does have that aspect. I've started,

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you know, and I watch YouTube a lot, but it's

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curated stuff like I'll watch Military ninety forty five or

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I'll watch which is some of these restored high depth

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videos from the thurn Reich. I'll watch, you know, World

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War one stuff or something. And I'll watch podcasts like

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the Event Horizon Pod. But I don't consume a hell

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of a lot of content. They're a putical nature rather

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than Sean Ryan and prior Tuck. But so I'm doing

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more of it, and there's an overwhelmed the overwhelming amount

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of it. I haven't coded it, but it's got to

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be it's got to be over seventy percent. It's got

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to be close to three quardin eighty percent of the

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politically coded content, it's anti woke stuff that's one hundred

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percent about Hollywood I peas, or about what's on TV,

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or about what some legacy media infotainment anchor is signaling,

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or what Stephen Kolbert is saying, you know, And it's like, Okay,

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if you're approaching it as this is you know what

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legacy media is saying. We've got a lot of touch

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they are, or this is how they're trying to characterize

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or piece questions, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, that that

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that makes sense, you know, especially if you're a media analyst,

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and I'm not. You know, I'm a dad and junkie,

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but I'm not. I don't deal in media primarily. But

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that's not what it is. It's these guys saying this

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is an outrage because I love Star Trek and the

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woke Marxists are ruining it. And I mean, if that's

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kind of lame anyway, especially if you're a grown man,

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I understand if it was like teenagers or something. I mean,

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I was never then invested in ips like from the

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time like after I after I stop and obsessed with

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you know things like like tabletop games and kids stuff.

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I kind of beget obsessed with the shitomen do now,

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like rock and roll and Third Reich and stuff. And

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maybe that means like a stunted man. But I mean

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my point being, even though I like stuff like Battlestar

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Galactic or like Mad Cross Saga, that I wasn't like

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invested in it, like it was like religion or something,

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because they'd be fucked up. But these guys are, and

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they're convinced that the cooler comp venue is is pop

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cultural stuff. And aside the fact, I mean we could

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yeah you know, or be some containers old person be like, go,

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if you know you're over twenty one, you shouldn't be

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into that shuit or whatever. But I mean that case

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could be made. But these guys, they their entire worldview

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and the way they view authority, the way they view potentialities,

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it's totally tethered due regime authority and adjacent elements like

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legacy media. Like that's why would people ask like somethings

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when it's a landmark or whatever. It's like outen about,

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like guys and girls will strike up conversations with me

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because I'm kind of an unusual looking person to be

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Sura and the last one I'm into and obviously I

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you know, other than flying the flag, I do like

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I don't have discuss that kind of stuff with him,

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but you know, I I don't know what to tell him, man,

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because it's like, I'm not into the shig you're end

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like the novelists I like, or guys who are friends,

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like other than Shane Stevens and you know, uh, Gustave

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Hasford and and stuff like that, the novelists Of'm into

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our dudes, I know, and like you'll preay con it with.

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I don't like read Harry Potter or watch Yellowstone or

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there's some stupid ip that I'm like all invested in.

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And honestly that's not some too cool over school code

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but it's not it's not some new fangled thing. Man

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like dude he got a lot of respect for is

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you know Johnny Rotten, he's like a good dude and

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he's he's the good kind of irishman you know, uh

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who calls people out on ship, you know, without filter,

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you know, and the whole when they when they canceled

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him or tried to, you know, Johnny ronwel thing. The

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way he presented it is, he's like, you know, we

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were trying to create an alternative to the system and

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what it was putting out because the system was trying

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to wipe away actual culture, because that's the basis of descent,

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you know. And uh Lion has got an interting backstory

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because he grew up in a genuine white ghetto and

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his parents were Irish immigrants I think originally settled at Mercyside,

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didn't end up in London, you know. But and that's

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that's when people didn't particularly like Irish people in London.

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I'm sure you can go to places on the mainland

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where that's still the case, but it's probably more in

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kind of like loyalists strongholds and stuff, you know, in Scotland.

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But you know the whole, if you don't like what

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the system is doing, if you're actually opposed to it,

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you do exactly that. You do what these early punk

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guys did and say what they're putting out on the

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radio is garbage. We're gonna preate our own ship that

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we think is cool. You know, and there was a

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lot of that, I mean been in Italy in Europe,

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especially visual art, but other kinds of creative activity that's

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got an outsized impact on the political in a way

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it doesn't in America. But that's why it's such a

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joke when these bougies and these regime at Jason historians,

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they pretend like the fascists or the National Socialists were

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these mitt Romney guys who were who wanted to censor things.

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It's like, these were the dudes you people censor. It

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was literally an artist, like the dudes who constituted like

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the March on Rome. It was a bunch of it was,

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you know, it was. It was a bunch of self

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identified out laws and artists and futurists who wanted and

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you know, war veterans who developed a contempt for the

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stability and the conceits of bourgeois life, you know, because

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their forwud of experiences of teenagers and young men was

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in the trenches. You know. This is something that normies

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can never understand. And it plays in obviously to the

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fact too that these fools, and most of whom admittedly

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like live exclusively online, but some of them are plugged

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into packs and stuff. You know, these guys being like

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the plan trusters who Trump could literally like rape their

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sister in front of them, and they say, like, you know,

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for everybody Trump's doward it, here's his reasons. But they

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they're obsessed with this idea that you can't possibly go

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outside the parameters of the extent structure. And it's side

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of the fact that that's historically obsolescent, Like why the

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fuck would you want to involve yourself with that anyway?

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But I mean, that's a litmus test, you know, if

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you're not if you if you're obsessed with abiding convention

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is defined by regime authority, you know, you're you're a

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bougie fuck who's obsessed with fitting in and not making

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waves and god forbid breaking the law, you know. And

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those people have nothing to do with us. They're they're

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they're the opposite of us. They they think that we

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should be locked up, you know, And that's I know,

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people come down on me too for talking about bougie

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sensibilities because they can't think outside the box. They think

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that's just like some term or something. But you don't understand,

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like well, street people and rich people in other words,

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people with hustle, they don't think that way. It's only

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trashy strivers who are obsessed with clout and are obsessed

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with what randoms are gonna think about them, and who

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who love the police for their for its own sake.

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They're the people who think that way, you know, And

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that's why everybody, that's why everybody dumps on them, because

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they're fucking assholes, you know, like they're it's.

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Speaker 2: A wealthy A wealthy person is A wealthy person is

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only interested in the regime to see how they can

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use it, either for they can use their wealth to

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either make sure that it doesn't touch them or that

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it can somehow benefit them. But that doesn't necessarily I mean,

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you're a rich person, you know, like Miriam Adelson or

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something like that. You think she actually worships politicians, think

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she actually worships cops. No, she has utter disdain for them.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also too if you were, if you were

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a rich guy or lady, the police work for you

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such that you have anything to do with them. But

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like something I realized separates me from bougiees. What kind

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of a person, what kind of a rational adult man?

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A woman calls the police, as if there's some conflict

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resolution service, like no hood dude, no fucking outlaw lait dude,

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and no, no, no rich guy would ever do that,

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because if you do that, you're a complete fuckhead. And

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it's also just not the way adults think, like you're

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gonna go tell the teacher, like you you call the

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police on yourself because somebody hurt your feelings or you

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can't sort your own shit out. You know, it's like

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the fuck's wrong with you? You know. Anybody who thinks

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that way, their epistemic priors are fucked, you know, and

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they're not. They're they're not educable. You know. That was

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that was Metzger's old point, and he was he was

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right about that. And that's just one Uh that that's

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just one example. And I'm not I don't care to

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goorically hate the police despite the fam. I mean, I

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never call them. I don't trust them. But uh, one

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of the fellows who's coming to he's coming by to

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meet me because he's in town visiting family. He is

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a police, you know, and he's a good dude. I mean,

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I uh, there's as my wife, I'm not going to

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open up to him, but it's kind of the way

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I'm with everybody who's not you know, like somebody who's

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a true friend of mine. But uh, you know, people,

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I don't like it when people is trying to dismiss

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what I say is if I'm some police hater because

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of the way I live my life and stuff and

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because of my background.

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Speaker 2: Well, I told me, guy told me years ago, probably

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twenty years ago. He's the only reason to call the

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police is if like your bank account gets hacked and

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you have to fill out a police report to like

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get the insurance on it, because only or.

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Speaker 1: If you blastom guy breaking in your house and it's like,

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well I'm calling you, you don't claim I just fucking

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murdered this guy in cold blood. There's a dead body

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in my fucking front lawn. But yeah, and I called

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my lawyer before I called the police. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like,

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don't get me wrong. Still, and if you're a single

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woman in the big city or something, I'm not talking

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about that. I'm talking about these dickheads where it's like

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you will looked at me wrong. I'm gonna call the

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police because I'm a because I'm a white nigger, goyous fuckhead,

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like Uh, you know, I'd like if I actually pose

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that question in normies who pulled that on me? It

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hadn't happened lately, but that probably is gonna happen again soon.

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wait around to like hash this out in the conversation

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with the fucking police is. But I say, like, what

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exactly are you gonna tell them? And they give this

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like the fuddled look where it's like in their in

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their in their little mind, it's like you offended me

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or hurt my feels. So if of course I'm calling

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the police because they're they're the teacher and they're gonna

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make you do math problems on the truck board or

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wrap your knuckles or something, you know, But I they

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should be an obvious point, but it's not, and it

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plays into a broader thing. Man. You realize how not

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on side these people are. Like I remember, like when

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I right before I got out of law school, that's

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when these freaks were. That's when they're big fetish was

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pretending that there's something that exists called gay marriage. So

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when people would ask you about it, I'd say, well,

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that doesn't exist, like what you ought to say about it,

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it doesn't exist. It's a marriage is a categorically discreet sacrament.

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Then not the state can't declare that the non existence

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of something in human societies is an example of invidious

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discrimination and then steak it into reality. I'm like, if

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you think that judges, can you eight human sacramental practices

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by speaking them? Well, you think you think judges are sorcerers?

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Are they some like supreme or been a council their

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holy men? I mean that the government could say tomorrow

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that you know, grass isn't green, it is blue, Like,

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why why would I care? So people acting like they're

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gonna ruin marriage? I'm like, why what this is? This

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is not whing the government's purview, and it's like a

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masturdity anyway. And it'd be like if it'd be like

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if I said, you know, there's no human societies that

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hold funerals for living people. That's because they're denying a

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live people of the festive celebration and the sober reverence

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given to dead people. That's discrimination. You know, I'm gonna

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I'm gonna see to it that the local magistrate issues

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a declaratory judgment that living people have a human right

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to a funeral. Okay, I mean if I so I

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walked outside and there was people enjoying funerals who all lives.

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If they were like a little taving a birthday party,

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those people are disturbed, or they're really really really fucking stupid,

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or they're just delusional, like this idea that government can

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annihilate culture to a declaratory judgments and some crazy Jewish

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judge like, I don't understand how people think that way,

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but they do. You know. That's why a bunch of

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these queers who like want to buy PC Principal hexf

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soiled underwear and stuff these like these like these like

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closet socket, sausage, jockey vet, burros and stuff. They're like

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all peeing in their pants and super happy because they're

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like PC Principle ended woke. I'm like, well, what do

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they do? Is the military's mandate no longer to enforce

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social engineering by violence? Did he removed out pressing them

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with sexuals and females from the military. No, he said

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he can do a lot of push ups, and he

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he drops Instagram videos of him lifting weights like some

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little kid and uh then he says that he's like

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a billy badass war fighter, and like that's it to

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these people, you know, because they're like, yeah, see, like

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the last guy he was talking about woke stuff. You know,

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it's uh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, HEGs up, got rid of the woke stuff. Now

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it's just uh double the punishment if you make a

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ju show. Yeah what else he didn't get rid of

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the woke stuff? Like he's he's in principle, you know,

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like he'll he'll like threaten to like physically assault you

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if you like make a sexist joke or something like that.

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That's his that's his angle, that's his jive. But I

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mean the fact is, I mean, anybody who thinks the

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military's cool at all, it's like fucked in the head,

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like I.

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Speaker 1: You know, it'd be uh it'd be like uh like

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any self identify like you know, I'm pro white, right wing,

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but I love the US military. It'd be like a

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commandsche being like I love the cavalry. It was awesome

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when like they told me fucked up my way of

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what like you know. So that's why people need I mean,

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that's why anybody who claims me on side needs to

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cut ties with this bullshit, you know, and that's not

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I and I mean that's to be clear. I mean,

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that's just a complicated point. But it is reducible to

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some precepts that should be fair leaded in brass human psychology.

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It's it's highly symbolic conceptually. It's that's part of the

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way the mind structures the world, you know, as it

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receives inputs. You know, it'd be interesting to see how

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if you know, like if there was truly somebody who

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was availed the centric deprivation, like how that would shake out.

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I don't mean like some stupid fancy story like like

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the Helen Keller story that was someone pushed by old

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anglophone socialists and new dealers. I mean if there actually

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was a man or a woman of high intelligence who

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went blinding definitely on or was otherwise availed the centric deprivation,

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like what neural pathways would develop and how symbolic psychology

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would shake out within their own conceptual in our life.

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But those kind of thought experiments aside, you know, people

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they'd become attached instinctively to this idea that the authority

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that they can witness an experience or tangibly brush up

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against this. That's kind of their stand in for that,

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That's kind of their stand in for God. You know.

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That's also why even people you'd think would know better

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when they talk about government solutions. It's not just as

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if these things can resolve social problems or or or

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material deprivation or things of that nature. It's not just that.

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It's not just a divide between Keensians and supply siders.

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It's people literally thinking that there's something miraculous about the

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ability of government to render outcomes, you know, in sociological

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and material terms, and that that doesn't make any sense,

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you know whatsoever. And vanguardists don't think that way because

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by definition, they don't just reject the legitimacy of the

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regime they live under. They they don't view it as

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anything other than a configuration of power that is, has

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become permanent owing to accommodation of historical conditions and deliberate contrivances.

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You know. They may have other conceptual biases, you know,

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even take like the Probos in Northern Ireland. They believe

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that tiluricy utopia of their own at argue. But even

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that I think was probably tempered by the reality of

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you know, a thirty year cycle of of partisan warfare.

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I mean that that's a combinated question. Let me say

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cology is as a partisan with respect to state craft

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and the symbolic aspects of of the lyric authority and

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political power.

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Speaker 2: But stay on utopia for a second there, Yeah, it

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seems it seems like that is Yep. There are a

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bunch of people who are running around who are so

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ideologically possessed that anything short of their like they believe

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that they they're basically advocating for their utopia and nothing less,

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and they don't want to do anything to achieve that

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or try to make it happen other than post online.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they're not they're not actually engaged, you know.

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And and that's also that that's pure political theology becau.

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It's not just faith based, but it doesn't entail antial practice.

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It's like the set of rigid conceptual prejudices and secularized values.

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It nevertheless are gopsude to religious paradigm within the minds

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of the congrean.

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Speaker 2: But if you're advocating, if you're advocating for your utopia online,

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I mean, what are you doing other than trying to

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say that you can reach that utopia by trying to

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take a hold of the existing regime, which by advocating

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for a utopia, you're saying that you want to just

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you know, you want to overthrow. Unless you're so delusional

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that you think that you can have your utopia within

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regime framework.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, they're not even there's not even that sophisticated

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conceptual practice behind this. It's like you and Anthony Ramundo

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said when you when you set off these libertarian guys.

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These weren't a bunch of these weren't a bunch of

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guys with the hustle or small businessmen and or private

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equity guys even or anything. There's like weirdo pothead guys

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like living off some women who were like saying weirdo

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shit online and they were doing that. They were nothing

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to help people resist, you know, the the covid mannis

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and things, because it's not what it's about way and

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it's not like weird cult and uh, they're waiting for

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some that's also one of these guys. A lot of

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these guys are like goofy preppers even though they're even

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though they go they don't know a name about homesteading,

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and they're not like country guys because it's they got

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this like delude story or this apocalypse narrative where there's

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gonna be some punctuated event where all these things are

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gonna come to pass that they want to happen by

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way of you know, punctuated equilibrium. And I mean again

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it is it's just like faith based bullshit, you know,

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And that's hanging.

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Speaker 2: Around the go about the Libertarians hanging around them. What

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I really started to understand after a while was that

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they were creating these packs and they wanted to take

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over the Libertarian Party, which is a it is a

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registered political party that gets money, YadA YadA, for one reason.

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They were all they basically wanted a job to get

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paid for doing nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, that was yeah as the only I mean there

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was sure. I knew a couple of people in there

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who were successful in their private life. They had you know,

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they were successful in they had jobs, they had businesses,

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they had careers. But for the most part, it was

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people who really hated their jobs and saw this as

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an opportunity to basically have a job where they didn't

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really have to do anything. And then when you started

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digging into it, you found out, oh, if you know

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some guy and and it was just basically they were

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they were complaining about the regime while getting a job

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in the party and then getting grant money from the

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party for your wife or girlfriend and just doing exactly

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what the regime does.

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Speaker 1: Well they that's libertarianism has always been a cult. If

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you're not you know, I one of the things like

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younger is because I, you know, I I relate to that.

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And there's also a medical practice there. And if you're

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a you know, and and and and anarchism do you

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won't realize that anarchism was a serious tendency. I mean,

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they blew up the reason why we got the you know,

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uh new Federal Court ausm ultimately became the the Dermsen Center,

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and then they literally blew up the old Chicago Federal Court.

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But anarchism, it is a real tendency, you know, that

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has a practice behind it. And the cynical is or

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worth reading, including George Sorell, who's underappreciated political theorist, there's

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a lot of convergence there, Like the reason why these

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guys don't identify with Dad is because first of all,

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they're they're they're basically Midwa bougies. That's why they're into

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garbage like an orand and but they're also they're fixated

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on these positive liberties that they that they think are

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so important, whether it's smoking weed, and I guess that's

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kind of not their thing anymore because now you can

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smoke weed without getting heat from the law, or like

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it's some like weird sex paraphilia or or some bullshit

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like that, you know, because it's totally cult coded, you know.

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I I'm a I'm probably the most anti government person

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I know. I can't think of anything I have in

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common with libertarians, including first and foremost too, like why

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it's like why why do you guys have a party

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like that? That doesn't make me sense in America anyway,

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you know. And uh, I do hope people really think

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I'm being a petant, but it's it's asinine that people

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pretend that the Democrats and Republicans are parties they're not,

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you know, and single member districts and the entire way

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the and a winner take all system, I mean, the

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constitutionally America structure so that there won't be political parties,

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that's by design, you know. And plus, I mean, like

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the feat it's it's it's it's it's counterintuitive or or

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it's an oxy moron. I'm going to start a political

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party to challenge for elections to get rid of the government.

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So like my policy, you want to get into the

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government and create this whole glorwal apparatus is we're gonna

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like shut down the government. We're gonna use our political

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party in this whole apparatus to shut down the government

469
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,200
that we just gotta see what didn't do Like that,

470
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,119
that's that's that's like Brady's fire department that starts fires,

471
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:13,400
you know. And it's like too, I mean again, it's

472
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,039
like it's like, okay, if you're so nowadays, I'm always

473
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:22,160
emphasizing and I'm old enough to have witnessed this transition

474
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:29,960
for decades. The mobility of capital and the availability of

475
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:38,480
information and present sense awareness to the second and not

476
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:42,680
the millisecond. This changed everything. If you want to quit

477
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,079
regime ship, you can. You know, you've got a lot

478
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,880
of freedom to do stuff now. So I think if

479
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,119
you're Joe libertarian, and even if I think you're in

480
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,759
a dumb stuff, I want to smoke a bunch of

481
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,920
pot and like screw a bunch of girls. Okay, so

482
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:00,920
go do that, Like why who's stopping you from doing that?

483
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,200
You know, But again that's not what it's about to them.

484
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,200
I mean that's part of its They got juvenile interest,

485
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:13,440
but it's it's it's this aerosots religion, well, eco plyitical feology.

486
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:22,279
Speaker 2: Well anybody who has leftist sndencies and leftist inclinations, it wants.

487
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,559
Speaker 1: Wants it to be.

488
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,039
Speaker 2: They know that, they know for a fact that it's

489
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,440
against nature and it's unnatural, and they want they're looking

490
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:35,440
for somebody to say, yes, this is okay. And that's

491
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,640
why you always see you have to have gay marriage,

492
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,279
you have to have you know, prostitution is good. All

493
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,519
this stuff has to be good because they know deep

494
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,319
down inside that it's not and they need so they

495
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,759
have to advertise it and they have to try to

496
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,640
advocate it for it politically so that people can say, yes, yes,

497
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,200
you're okay with this, Like when you look at libertarians everything,

498
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,279
when advocate for something, it's like literally the only wins

499
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,799
that they ever get are things that help the regime.

500
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,680
Of course, the regime never gives them a never gives

501
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,799
them what they want. Which is to weaken itself so

502
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,359
they can be like, oh, we were for gay marriage

503
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,559
before everybody else was for game. Oh and by the way,

504
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,200
Trump says that too, we were for gay marriage before

505
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,880
everybody else was for gay marriage. Yeah, how's that working out?

506
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: What's awesome? I mean anybody, you know, again, anybody would

507
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,799
anybody who had a serious anarchist sensibility or a liberty

508
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:42,799
oriented sensibility and the classical sense would be demanding. I mean,

509
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:44,960
the irs needs to go away before anything else happened.

510
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,359
I mean, that's that's that's both just like naked theft

511
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,759
of capital and it's a terror mechanism, you know. I

512
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:59,000
mean that's so Yeah, I mean they're not serious, but yeah,

513
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,920
it's like a boogie thing, like they need the teacher

514
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,480
to tell them that they're not being naughty, you know.

515
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:10,720
And again like I I'm sure this sounds like some

516
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,720
contrary and bullshit or something. But if if they're a

517
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,920
Gene liked me, and if if normanis liked me, I'd

518
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,279
know that I was kind of fucked up. Yeah, that's

519
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
kind of my metory. You know.

520
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want some Zionists. I don't

521
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,759
want some Zionists on Twitter praising me.

522
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't want I don't want the government

523
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:35,960
telling me that, like the stuff I'm into is cool

524
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,759
or you know, you you shouldn't go out of your

525
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,039
way to flaunt the law or pick fights with the

526
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:46,640
police or do foolish you know, decide you know you're

527
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,119
gonna go out and be some gangster and get Richard.

528
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,880
I trying, but you've got to be cornicled with being

529
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,039
an outlaw. And in fact, I mean you should be

530
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,680
more than carnival whether it should be kind of like

531
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,240
a core aspect of your sensibility, you know. And that's

532
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,599
like I said, I mean, that's that's why the that's

533
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,280
why the original punk ethos. I mean that that sounds

534
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,400
corny because so many people can book that ship in

535
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:18,880
like stupid ways. But you know, rock and roll uh

536
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,880
is uh dangerous. That's why the regime is always trying

537
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,960
to crush it. Like I as far as I like

538
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,280
Merurle Allen, I'm just like a kind of into his

539
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:35,039
stuff because I like seeing old guys are still at it.

540
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,039
Who who can who where the minority can pull it off?

541
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,119
But also he's into kind of the same sort of

542
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,360
stuff I am. And when we went to see the

543
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,840
Murdered Junkies play last summer down at Reggie's on the

544
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,320
South Side, that's kind as what I talked to him about,

545
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,679
you know, like because I bought some of his shirts

546
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,199
and stuff, and uh, I'm just like yeah, man, I'm like,

547
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,519
uh you know, I'm like, I it's Stipe that you

548
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:02,679
know you play year because we wanted to come see

549
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,239
you for a minute. He's like, oh yeah, He's like

550
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,280
I always played Chicago, always played Detroit, you know, because

551
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,719
we always get a lot of love here. And I'm

552
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,440
like yeah, man, and uh I I talked to him

553
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,079
for a minute. Uh, and like I bought like three

554
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:18,599
shirt from him, and then like I tipped him like

555
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:20,840
twenty bucks just we're playing on like an awesome show.

556
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,039
You really appreciated that because I frankly like the kinds

557
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:26,920
of guys all the murder Jonki, He's like, never any

558
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,639
fucking money, let's be honest, you know what. Uh no, man,

559
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,719
And I didn't come out of like a heavy political tip,

560
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,440
but uh, you know I was wearing look at Johnny thundershirt.

561
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,400
So we were talking about like alphabet city and stuff.

562
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Back in the early nineties because that periodically the video

563
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,800
the last day of his brother's life, of gd Ellen's life,

564
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,280
this is this. This was nineteen ninety three and it

565
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,920
was at this shithole venue called the gas Station in

566
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,920
Alphabet City, and I mean that's when it was supposed aboucalyptic.

567
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,360
I mean you're you're in New York or you know

568
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,760
what it was like and some guy or some girl

569
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,159
had some old, bulky like sony camcorder and was filming

570
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,320
everything that was happening, and Gigen is Entourage and all

571
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,679
these crazy annicts and punks and skinheads like fighting with

572
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,920
the police and stuff. Then uh it goes on for

573
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:27,360
like twenty minutes. But then uh, like it's been on

574
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,079
YouTube forever. It's some some choppedup version of it, but uh,

575
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,639
it period even goes viral because some nornie finds it

576
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,039
there one of the four Chan wackos just uh decides

577
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:44,719
he wants to it to circulate again or something. But uh, no,

578
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,800
I was talking about we were talking about how how

579
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,559
how putic we charged. Uh the scene was back then

580
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:54,559
and he's like, oh yeah, you know, he's like, it's

581
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,440
you know, nothing like today. And he's like, uh, he's

582
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,199
a guy, was he people are thirsty for something because

583
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,639
he's like, we got Kat's house here. Merles like, it's

584
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:08,239
not just us playing. You know, we had three other

585
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,559
bands playing before us. We're local guys, and you know

586
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,320
it was, uh, it was mostly youngsters there. You know,

587
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,800
I was, Uh, I was one of the older guys

588
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:28,239
on deck man, you know. And that's uh, that's that,

589
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,239
that's that that pattern is discernible, you know, and uh,

590
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,280
there's always a resistance element to popular culture. That's why

591
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,079
one of the reasons why to bring it back. I

592
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,760
realized that none of these supposedly like anti woke guys

593
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,519
are on side because they they think the stuff that

594
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,639
like I'm into is fucked up. You know, they want

595
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,559
to why they're mad because they want Star Wars to

596
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,440
not have gross like gay stuff in it, or they

597
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,920
they think like they think they're like Green Day is

598
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,320
a great band or something, or they you know, they're uh,

599
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:14,119
it's not a it's not a conversation that uh we

600
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,159
want to be part of because it's it's it's boozy

601
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,880
shit man, Like it's uh, it'd be like a bunch

602
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,440
of provos or a bunch of uh black shirts like uh,

603
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,480
seeking out a bunch of social democrats, UH like hang

604
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:36,800
out and fucking bullshit with them about like the the

605
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440
text regime or something, or you know, it's like why

606
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:42,199
why the fund will we do that? You know? I

607
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,800
mean that's that's why it's a positive thing, man. I

608
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,880
mean it's it's not positive when dudes actually are on

609
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:54,199
side or excuse me, I'm still pretty sick. It's not

610
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,800
positive when dudes actually are on side or curating bad

611
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,400
blood and stuff. That's one of the reasons why I'm

612
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:05,360
I'm I'm gonna formally structure my own thing, you know,

613
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,440
to like in part because I think that's I think

614
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,440
that's this was proper. But I think it's also gonna

615
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,639
eat some of the tension, you know. But what is

616
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,079
positive is, uh, you know, if if the coalition that

617
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,920
uh carried Trump into office in twenty sixteen, if that's fracturing,

618
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:29,920
that's not a bad thing, man, because like, what what

619
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,599
mattered about it was the fact that the solent majority.

620
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,400
That was the real that was the real point at

621
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,559
which where the solent majority robbed the regime of its legitimacy.

622
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:45,119
I mean that had been that had been developing for

623
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:50,519
a couple of decades. I'd argue since the mid nineties,

624
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,360
but that's when it actually happened. Trump the guy was

625
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,079
never important. This idea of it was so great that

626
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,440
we look at Trump, We've got to preserve this clos

627
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,400
all cost It's like, no, you're not in the game.

628
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:11,880
You don't. You don't get it because the the proverbial, Uh,

629
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,880
you can't. You can't undo these sorts of happenings. You can't.

630
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,559
You can't restore legitimacy. I mean, really, the only way

631
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:25,639
the government can return to the credibility it had under

632
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,559
Reagan and the last gas bat was really when when

633
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:35,559
Bush's approval was like skyrocketed, decide unseen since the CANi

634
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:46,239
year immediately after the Gulf War. Okay, but that there

635
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,199
was a whole restructuring in America after nineteen sixty eight,

636
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,039
sixty nine, seventy, you know, I mean that that's what

637
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:59,159
catapulted Nixon into office, and they realized, uh, they had

638
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:03,559
to abide a personage like Reagan, otherwise they all legitimately

639
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:06,920
would have been forfeit. And they couldn't afford to roll

640
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,599
the dice on that during peak Cold War because that

641
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,960
would have seeded the that that that that that would

642
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:22,840
have seeded the planet to the communists, frankly, and that

643
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:28,199
changes everything. But you know, the there's never going to

644
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,159
be a return to the way things were before. And

645
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,519
if there was a more flexible system, if a system

646
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:44,239
was in place, not unlike existed. Uh, from about the

647
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:55,639
Grant administration until Wilson's first term, the the political culture

648
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,920
was a lot more malleable, you know what I mean there.

649
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,559
I mean, things were totally different then. But despite what

650
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:06,159
people say, what isolationism America was, America wasn't world power.

651
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,639
I mean obviously, you know.

652
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: But it was so malleable that Pale Settlement's Jewics to

653
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,599
come in here and basically take it over.

654
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that that that was that was a

655
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:23,599
revolutionary and imperative by the New Dealers, I mean yeah.

656
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:29,360
And part of that was, oh do the war between

657
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,000
the States having crushed what was the have been the

658
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,679
sort of natural immunity to the kind of subversion. I mean,

659
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,000
I grew there ganulty that the true the moment at

660
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:47,440
which uh, the U a political right wing was was

661
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,039
was just eradicated was the War between the States. It

662
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:57,159
wasn't seventeen eighty nine and then what happened in Europe

663
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:05,719
was the reaction to that, because you know, there was

664
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,000
an entire nexus the causation that touched and concerned everything

665
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:18,960
that ensued subsequently. And uh, well so I mean it

666
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:25,320
had Uh it's easy to imagine too. You know, an

667
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,079
a an America allied with the Kaiser, right if the

668
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,280
wars of Stage dragged on and became a quagmire that

669
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,239
was never resolved. I obviously you know only his politics.

670
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,840
Heuse some he's some old school jew socialists, but uh

671
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,280
they guy Harry Turtle Dub He's written some stuff that's

672
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,480
just silly, like the World War series with these like

673
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:49,880
aliens assault during Word War two. It's fucking stupid. But

674
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:56,239
he he's written some compelling stuff, and one of which

675
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,159
was where the warm in the States ends in the

676
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:10,400
stalemate and the borderlands like Missouri and Bleeding Kansas, there's

677
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:15,480
kind of permanent, low key, h low intensity warfare going on.

678
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,440
Then when World War One breaks out, the Confederacy backs

679
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,280
the UK and France and the Union becomes solidly allied

680
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,280
with the kaiser Reich. You know, so you've got Union

681
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,039
troops fighting on behalf. The Union joins the German offensive

682
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,880
in nineteen eighteen, and then the Confederates are holding a

683
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:41,119
line in France nor in a northeastern France to try

684
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,000
and stop the assault which would have happened. I mean,

685
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:46,119
the Confederates had a lot better relations with the UK

686
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:51,440
than an American. Did you know this idea that the

687
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:56,159
Trent Affair I don't agree with. You get some revisionists

688
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,039
A G. B. Taylor wasn't really revisionist, but he so

689
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:01,679
head out to the story and is going to Trent

690
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,320
affair could have led to a naval shooting war between

691
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:09,840
the Crown and the United States, And I don't accept that.

692
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:17,960
But relations were not good. But because it may you

693
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:24,400
know that to the point we were discussing, I mean

694
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:29,079
that kind of facial was interesting anyway, but the contrary

695
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:37,480
was very much at a proverbial decision point from the

696
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,480
eighteen seventies until the nineteen teens that there there could

697
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,480
have been a number of different outcomes. You know, we

698
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,960
was not set in stone in any way. But the uh,

699
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,559
I know you're not wrong. I mean, there's there there's

700
00:45:53,559 --> 00:46:02,480
a reason that the subversion of of a political culture

701
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:07,880
by a hostile element that insinuates itself is a new elite. Uh.

702
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,960
That doesn't happen by accident, and it doesn't happen where

703
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:23,199
there's a robust legitimacy enjoyed by a government serving a

704
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:28,679
basically united body politics. But there's complicated factors there. And

705
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:34,880
one of the reasons I the the consolidation of the

706
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,320
Westphalian state as it reaches true zenith, that was the

707
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,960
handmade in the Jewish power. That's hot a Rents point too,

708
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,119
you know, outside of a Westphalian system or a state

709
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:51,440
system as we know it, like like core Jews, they

710
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,679
don't have any political power. You know, I went to

711
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,400
the other day, is what the joke when people like

712
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,239
Cromwell was a bad man because he didn't like Pooram Jews.

713
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,199
It's like, why why would he care? Like what the

714
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,320
fucking house the Stewart and the Jews had going on?

715
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,360
Like it wasn't these kings didn't ban the Askanasam from

716
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:16,440
their countries because they you know, they they were they

717
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,360
were doing it for Christ and for the the English

718
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,239
race or something they were doing. They don't want to

719
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,239
pay their fucking bills. I guess why, you know, why,

720
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,760
why why would Cromwell care about that? You know, that

721
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:34,360
that was interestingly, I mean that was uh that that

722
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,840
was the only things about in Leers uh spelt the

723
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,199
way he did about his lom as a historical tendency,

724
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:44,159
you know they I mean you usually he's a big,

725
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,679
a big crime traditionally, and Daryl is lamb. But also

726
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:53,920
any any any any Saltan who was borrowing money from

727
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:58,400
from uh Jewish lenders, he he would have his head

728
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,119
removed from his body. You know, the the Jews old

729
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,079
Jerusalem and they were literally like locked behind it, get

730
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,960
a wall. They weren't doing ship you know, they weren't

731
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,440
building a capital base. They weren't there they were they were,

732
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,559
they weren't the court and money lenders and and the

733
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,599
de fact though sort of shuttle diplomats to you know,

734
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,599
the the uh to the to the Ottomans or uh

735
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,719
the uh the um the odds before them or anything

736
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:30,920
like that.

737
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, That's what That's what people don't get today.

738
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,800
The people who are like, oh, we just need the right,

739
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,519
we need our people running the government as it is

740
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,239
right now, It's like no, the reason why you why

741
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,239
they're why Jewish power is what it is is because

742
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,559
of the system and how the system is designed and

743
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,079
how it works. It's not because they can go into

744
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,800
any system and take it over and subverted. No, this

745
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:06,239
system is designed for subversion. And if you're trying to

746
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,280
save this system and get your peoples in charge of it, no,

747
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,079
they are going to be subverted.

748
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: Well. Also, I don't understand they think the government is

749
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,079
doing for them. I mean not I'll even qualified by

750
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:23,480
saying I'm not even suggesting that as in some blanket capacity,

751
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:27,880
but I it's obviously anybody who has any ability to

752
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,360
perceive these things or understands the configuration of government. This

753
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,519
regime is designed to fight the Cold War and preside

754
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:48,760
over a mid twentieth century superpower. As it's a resources

755
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:56,679
are consolidated and marshalled and its capital bases modified and

756
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,639
extended to ultimately become a planetary system. Like that's it.

757
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,800
You know, This isn't the government of George Washington two

758
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,039
point zero or something, you know, and it's not this

759
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,119
perennial thing like I it's an obsolesce. It's a bloated

760
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:16,920
obsolescence some of other things. E if it wasn't actively

761
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,519
I mean, I don't think you can extricate it's it's

762
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:25,960
it's cold or comp priorities from its structural aspects. But

763
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:29,400
I mean that that's that's arguable. But even if those

764
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,000
things could be redacted, I again, and even if it

765
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,400
could be rendered neutral somehow, it's just an obsolescence. Like

766
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,239
what what do people get out of this? You know?

767
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,079
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they're some people are fully convinced that

768
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,440
if they can get their people in charge of it,

769
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:51,400
that they can they can control it for their people.

770
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean that's not a point. They're idiots

771
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,840
and it's they but they I mean, they shouldn't even

772
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,559
think of those turns. It's just because, like I said,

773
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:04,599
just stand in. It's a it's an aristotce uh theological

774
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,800
concept to them. You know, they don't they don't have

775
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,239
a they don't have a Roman Catholic churist, or a

776
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:25,760
or a kind of Bible Protestant uh sensibility about the

777
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,599
inner witness. Then said, they have they have government and

778
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,280
its apparently like courts, a rabbinic council. They can speak

779
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:42,880
things into existence and you know, miraculous occurrence is going

780
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,760
to be brought to bear by the stroke of a

781
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,920
pen or by some sort of article to order, you know,

782
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:56,159
But that's again that's why these people aren't. That's why

783
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,000
these people aren't on side, and they'll be.

784
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,199
Speaker 2: You can also hear it in their language. They have

785
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,079
the language of democracy. We need to convince like fifty

786
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:06,840
one percent of the people. And if we can just

787
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,719
convince fifty one percent of the people, then we can

788
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:10,559
have real change.

789
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, only only a total dickhead thinks that way,

790
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,039
you know.

791
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, I mean if we if we got

792
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,559
to the point where there were a million people watching this,

793
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,880
we wouldn't have to do this anymore.

794
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,599
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if in terms a million people watching this,

795
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:36,320
we'd be we've be doing something wrong. It mean that

796
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,280
like basically we were like that Stephen Colbert or something.

797
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,119
But yeah, yeah, well I don't know.

798
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if the uh, if the culture changes,

799
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,320
you know, if there's a dramatic culture change, then you know,

800
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,159
we might we might have a million people watching this.

801
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows? I mean no, And don't get

802
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,400
me wrong, like I said the other day, and I

803
00:52:57,519 --> 00:52:59,960
wasn't this chap anger being silly, You're being deluded. All

804
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,079
I've talked to Burn about this, I talked to Burden

805
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:13,039
about this consistently. We'll record something or burn and island

806
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,920
a discussion about something, or I'll raise a talking point

807
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,360
and then like three days later, like Friar talk will

808
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,920
basically be like lifting that exact talking point, you know.

809
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:27,920
And so yeah, I know, I know guys like him

810
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:32,119
are into I for no other reason that you know,

811
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,480
they want to. I don't. I like tumber Carlson. I

812
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:38,159
like what he does, and I'm sure he's a good dude.

813
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,519
But you know, you see sound like East Coast Brahm,

814
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,320
and uh, he don't really associate with people like us.

815
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,639
How the hell would he know kind of what the

816
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,559
conversation is like. So I'm sure he consumes their content

817
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:50,440
if another reason, and just kind of get a sense

818
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,400
of those things. But you know, there's a lot of

819
00:53:55,519 --> 00:54:02,400
people who lift my content. We've got a way wider

820
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,119
audience than I who you know, I mean, I've got

821
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,719
very small audience. But I do maintain that I have

822
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,639
an outside impact, because I mean that's just the way

823
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:14,679
things go, you know. It's I'm like the Velvet Underground

824
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:20,039
of political commentators or analysts, you know, like the velven

825
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:23,239
Underground never really popped, but like everybody ever even pop

826
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,000
was at the Velvet Underground and Johnny Thunders and shoot,

827
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:27,400
oh there you go.

828
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:33,199
Speaker 2: You know yeah there Ramones never never got their their props,

829
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,039
but like they inspired like all the British the whole

830
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:41,000
British punk movement that became punk.

831
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah once also too like that. I can't remember

832
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:45,840
the name of it. It was one of the it

833
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,800
was the one trauma movie that was uh it was

834
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,960
like cinema veritated. It was like a serious movie. You

835
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,440
can't I'm having brain fog. I can't remember the title.

836
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: But uh.

837
00:54:56,639 --> 00:55:00,519
Speaker 1: That and there's that one part where that dude uh

838
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,280
he like hits Thunders on stage. So Thunders like whack

839
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,519
some of his guitar and uh, like they asked Thunders

840
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:10,480
about it later you saw her like yeah, like the

841
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,559
same people like punched me up on stage and call

842
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,000
me a fucking asshole junkie. You like steal my rits

843
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:19,360
and ship. It's like, well that's why it's Thunder is

844
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,519
my spirit animal. It's like, yeah, we'll do the same

845
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:29,679
ship to meet man. You know. It's uh yeah, no,

846
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:35,119
the guy's in the Mister Remaster. Yeah he he knows.

847
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,480
Darryl Uh Daryl went on a show and and and

848
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:43,119
plagiarized all my talking boys. I'm not man at Darryl,

849
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,239
So don't please don't go out and say like I'm

850
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,400
not I've got a rop towards him or something. But like, literally,

851
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,920
you like the dude like lifted words for word, uh

852
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,880
my talking points on Churchill and everybody's like, like ran

853
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,800
the country? Did you hear what that? Darrel goes to

854
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,360
look true, tool this like a totally original point that

855
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:07,920
no one ever said before. I'm like, yeah, it's like, yeah,

856
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:10,519
where have I heard that before? Oh? That's right, I

857
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:14,679
said it. But you know again, it's not it's not

858
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,679
I don't know, funk up cloud or whatever. If if

859
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:21,800
people want to take my talking points, then the semi

860
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,159
thumb in a constructive way. I mean, okay, that's fine.

861
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:27,639
I'm not I'm not mad about that. It's just interesting

862
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,480
to me and not. Darrel's a good guy. He's always

863
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,840
been very respectful of me. So I'm again, I'm not

864
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,920
saying bad things about him, So please don't go off

865
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:36,679
and claim that I am.

866
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:41,599
Speaker 2: But we recorded he and I recorded with a friend

867
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,679
of ours yesterday talking about did an episode on Thomas kun.

868
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 1: Uh huh no, that's good stuff. Yeah, No, Daryl does

869
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,199
good content, you know, and like I said, I don't.

870
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,719
I don't have a problem with it. It's people to

871
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,719
say any stuff I've said or written in a constructive way.

872
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,519
I'm mistake going for always citing the source of stuff,

873
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,519
and I probably overdo it. But I want to make

874
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:16,559
sure that nobody feels slighted or like I'm a content

875
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:22,360
thief or something, you know. And I don't want to

876
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,679
be accused of, you know, not respecting the entirety of

877
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:30,760
other people's work products. Like I said, I don't. I

878
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:36,440
if Daryl was disrespectful of me, you're like some just

879
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,559
like an asshole. Yeah, that would bother me. But he's

880
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:40,880
he's not at all. He's always been very nice to me, man.

881
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:44,039
And so I don't. I don't know the problem. Yeah.

882
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:45,440
And we did that Labor Day theme.

883
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: We did that Labor Day stream together last year.

884
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I and I Burden hosted being him once. No,

885
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:56,000
he's a good dude, man. I like him. I was

886
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:00,159
just it's more I mean, I'm legit. It It's just

887
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:02,480
like an interesting phenomenon, man, you know. And like I said,

888
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:10,880
I it surprises me, the the the places, and it's

889
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,239
kind of the reach of some of my stuff penetrates

890
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,239
and I'm you know, like, uh, that's something I get.

891
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,639
I get. I get recognized weird places where I wouldn't

892
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,360
think that would happen. Like I could see it if

893
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,239
I was wandering around like Northwest University campus or something

894
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:32,039
University of Chicago or uh, like if I go to

895
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,840
like uh or like when I went to that National

896
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,119
socialst black metal show. Like while I'm around like Beach,

897
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,920
They're like a bunch of dudes you know who I was.

898
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,519
But it's like, yeah, I mean that it's weird when

899
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,679
it happens I got a plane or something, or like

900
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,320
when I'm like in the middle of the loop. But

901
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,840
you know, it's a strange thing. Man, I'm I'm gonna

902
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:56,119
I'm gonna interact. I i'd stick around, but some of

903
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:57,880
the fellows are coming to meet me at the Landmark

904
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:04,079
and it's which is great. Problem. Yeah, I'm still I'm

905
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:06,119
far from me a hundred percent, so it's I don't

906
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:07,960
need to be there for like an hour, but I

907
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:12,079
I need to decompress it been to get myself together.

908
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:18,679
We're gonna have bush Mills and that'll help, but I

909
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:25,639
want to I want to. Yeah, the sucker Darryl P. T.

910
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:31,280
Siven is the real thing. Yeah, it is necessari earlier,

911
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:36,000
But I said, I woke guys are just mad. Yeah, yeah,

912
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:40,039
and it's personal to them, like some so the them

913
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,400
have some girl who was a shitty person and and

914
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:48,679
did crummy stuff or you know, embarrassed them somehow, so

915
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,519
they built ideology around it, or they they didn't get

916
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,840
their rewards. They thought they should have to getting a

917
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,639
college degree, which is like bullshit these days. Anyways, And yeah,

918
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:07,639
you know, and I you know, one of the reasons

919
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:12,840
I falling back in my faith a lot if I were.

920
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,239
You know, a lot of people don't understand Televinism. I

921
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,320
think it's just really severe and shitty. But one of

922
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:27,039
the ways that it kind of converges with show Upenhower's

923
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,639
Aryan Buddhism. You kind of just got what these negative

924
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:37,719
passions burn away. You know, you should you should never

925
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,840
cease being angry about injustice ever, gonna be pathetic about

926
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:49,000
things that demand vengeance. But you know, personally hating people

927
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:52,480
is not good. I mean, I mean, I's not good

928
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:54,480
for you. I'm not even saying, like an ethical terms

929
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,360
that that's a different question. But you know, and uh,

930
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:03,280
building and building agreement ideology is really really destructive and

931
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,239
it's not it's not a it's not a noble thing

932
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,400
to do, you know, and we've got to aspire to

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be noble. That's another That's not a reason I, especially

934
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as I age, I I take Ernst younger more and

935
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:31,880
more seriously. Possible Spangler or younger series calib in the future. Yeah,

936
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I mean I I I cover a lot of stuff

937
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with teet Man. We need a whole bloss a series,

938
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you know. I I had to cover Schopenhaur in there.

939
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If I didn't, I was very negligent. But I mean, I, uh,

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this Bangalarian stuff. Uh. I mean, I've done many deep

941
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:57,159
dives into Frans part of YACHTI on mind Phase or

942
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other places, and try to get to all those conversations

943
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is always an discussion, a stingulary and thought. I mean, yeah,

944
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I I on my own platforms, I try to always

945
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keep stuff fresh, and it's a combination of what friends

946
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:25,599
of mine and guys who I think have important things

947
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to say are up on, and the current zeitgeisten were

948
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on peace situation and this other stuff. I'm consistently sort

949
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of fascinated by. But you know, outside of that, I

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01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:43,440
go with what people invite me on to talk about,

951
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,079
you know, and as as we continue with these streams,

952
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if people have questions on the topic of nature they

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,480
want me to focus on, I mean, I'm happy to

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01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:04,159
do that. What Yeah, I'm uh, let's get out of here.

955
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Yeah yeah, I'll I'll post this up when I get

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home tonight. It shouldn't be late. But yeah, I got

957
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great love for everybody for tipping in and participating. Yeah,

958
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:22,719
thank you, Pete, appreciate that. Well. Reconvene on Thursday again.

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Sorry I was so I was so ill this week,

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but I I'm definitely coming out of it, so yeah,

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stay up everybody. Yeah later