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this question. I do get this question quite a bit
in different flavors when it comes to non metallic tat
cable in whether boxes are required. So I'm going to
read you the question and then we'll break it down.
Look at some of the code references. Okay, it says
good morning, Paul, big fan and longtime listener. We are
currently building a five story multifamily apartment building where each
patio has a patio sconce. My question is our electrician
has installed a Romax wire, a non metallic sheet cable
from the switch and has poked out the exterior wall
with a Romax NMB conductor the cable with absolutely no box. Okay,
so he's just stubbing it out, poking it out. This
is very common. A lot of rough ends, or you're
at the rough end stage, they'll poke it and stick
it out. I tell people to be very careful because
you really should be taping up the ends so that
you don't get water into the end of your NM cable.
Slight moisture that gets on the sheeting, not nearly concerned
as getting any water into the inside. So a lot
of people don't take that extra step. You know, they're
just quick and boom, poke it out out and go
that type of thing. But it is very common to
just poke it out with the thought is that maybe
it's getting bricked up and somebody will come along now
with me. I used to poke them out and I
would put a box and hang a box on it,
so the masonry folks would put my box in. But
whether you're installing the box or whatever you do, maybe
it's siding and you're putting up a siding box whatever.
At the end of the day, the general rule is
going to be that anywhere you're going to have luminais
that are going to have connections and have splices and
terminations that you're going to need a box. Okay, and
we'll look at that in a little more detail, because
there are some allowances where you wouldn't have a box
because of the cable connects to an integral compartment of
a numinaire or some type of equipment. That makes having
a box irrelevant because the spices are going to be
actually made up in the actual equipment.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I digress.
Speaker 1: So so this question here also goes on to say,
I mean, looking at the light fixture or the luminair
installation guidelines, it indicates that it box is installed. Okay,
So first off we're looking for code references. But at
the beginning of this, remember that if the luminaire, and
obviously you know which luminaiir is going to be installed,
the luminaire's instructions state that it has to be installed
or mounted on a box.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now one of those things where people just take it
and use drywall screws and screw it to the siding
or whatnot.
Speaker 2: Yes, we see this.
Speaker 1: And there was something that was circulating on social media
obviously not a code expert guy, but some maybe contractor
or whatnot, was stating, you never need to have a box.
You can just take a lumina Air with its canopy
and make your splices underneath it and screw it straight
to the siding.
Speaker 2: That is not true. Okay. First of all, it's that
out of the way. That's never going to be acceptable.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you know, so the general rule,
so we got to have a box now in this case,
he also included the PDFU to the Luminaire which states
that it's you know that it needs to have a
box behind it. Okay, so that's a manufacturer. You install
things one ten three B in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.
Speaker 2: They telling you this has to have a box.
Speaker 1: So I probably would have pushed back right then and say, dude,
the Luminaire states that it has to be mounted on
a box, regardless of what you say. Okay, now you
go on. It's his question is is he allowed to
stub out the romax wire in an exterior wall without
a box? The what code violation is is he breaking?
Are there any exceptions that I'm not thinking about where
he could get away with this, okay, So no exception,
there is subparts or that you can applicate, apply depending
on the condition that you're dealing with. So uh one
ten three B probably for the fact that the luminaire
states that it needs to be mounted on a box
is pretty damn important. But if you go look at
three hundred dot fifteen, and I'm in the twenty twenty
three edition of the NEC. So again, if you don't
state otherwise, I'm always going to go to the latest
published edition. So remember that, folks, as you submit your
questions to me, if you're working in the twenty twenty
or the twenty seventeen or even the twenty fourteen or whatnot,
wherever you're at in the country, that you also make
reference to that. Otherwise I'm always going to assume the
latest edition, okay, all right, So when we look at
three hundred dot fifteen, and of course you can hauls
if you need to.
Speaker 2: And read it, but here's what it says.
Speaker 1: Three hundred dot fifteen boxes, condoal bodies and fittings where required.
So there are some allowances where the box may not
be required or fitting may not be required because it's
built into the equipment or whatever. It's integral to it.
It's part of it, right, So anyway, let's read it.
So it says a box shall be installed at each
outlet and switch point for concealed NOB and tubing. Okay,
so obviously nobody's doing nob and tubing anymore, so we
can don't need to worry about that one. Although NOB
and tube is still in the NEC. I don't think
anybody's doing that, so and it's just a legacy deal.
Next it says, of course it could come into play
when you're doing a retrofit or remodeling or something, you know,
after the fact, where you still have NOB and tube
in play. I guess that's still there for that. The
next says fittings and connectors shall be used only with
this specific wiring method for which they are designed and listed.
Speaker 2: So that's important.
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't use an MC connector for NM cable
because it's specifically designed for MC, the same as you
wouldn't use a specifically identified MC cable connector for AC
cable even though they look the same, unless it is
actually designed and listed. Now, good news is for those
most of them are dual or even triple rated so
they'll work with MC, they'll work with AC, they'll even
work with the smart ground or the all purpose type
of armor which can be used as an equipment ground
in EMC, which is not the norm. But you get
a fitting that basically covers all of those gamuts. And
by the way, I know, I don't want to digress
into MC, but MC connectors are MCI okay. And then
you have MCI A the A think of its advanced,
or think of it as a for the armor is
being used as an equipment ground, and that is a
very specific product that's not normal MC. That's a very
specific product made by many manufacturers where you can use
the armor as an equipment ground where normally EMC you cannot.
That's why it has a equipment ground inside of it.
But an MCID a fitting that is specifically tested for
use with the armor that may be triple rated, so
it's also okay for regular MC, and it may even
be okay for AC. So that's something that you have
to be aware of. So I just want to point
that out that you need to use the proper fitting
and connector for the type of listed wiring method you're
working and just because something fits just because you can
stick it in, it doesn't necessarily make it compliant.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: That's a very important statement to make because people think,
you know, they get maguivering it and do whatever they want.
Speaker 2: They think, well, it works, I get it.
Speaker 1: You might go get a plumbing fitting and hook it
to regular electrical PVC and glue the shit out of it,
and you might say, hey, it works.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make it right. Now.
Speaker 1: It goes on to the last sentence, and this is
a really important one. Here it says, and we're in
three hundred to fifteen, by the way, it says where
the wiring method is conduit tubing type AC cable type
MC cable type MII cable, non metallic sheath cable which
is NNB or other cables. It says a box or
conduit body shall be okay, So this is a mandatory statement.
If you go back and look and read what shall
be is it's a mandatory requirement. Okay, although it is
going to say unless permitted elsewhere, and we'll show you
what that means. But general rule, okay, a box or
kind of bodies shab be installed okay for each outlet point.
And again, if I have to go for the million time.
Take you into article one hundred so you can read
what the hell an outlet is, because there are still
people out there calling a receptacle an outlet. It's a device.
It mounts in an outlet box, but it's a device.
So when you see the word outlet, don't immediately just
jump to receptacle or switch or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's not Those are devices, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying an outlet is defined as a point
in the system where you're taking power from the system.
Speaker 2: So a junction box is an outlet. You're taking power
from it.
Speaker 1: If I have a box and I'm going to be
hooking up a piece of equipment with a whip, right,
then that is an outlet. That's the point where I'm
taking it from the building wiring system to supply a
piece of equipment or utilization equipment.
Speaker 2: That constitutes an outlet. Okay.
Speaker 1: So again for those out there that still don't get it,
and I'm sure there's that one guy and you know
who you are that's going to give me the thumbs
down because you can't convince a code panel to change
their opinion on it. I feel for you, but you're
not going to it's not gonna happen, okay, all right. Anyway,
there are some changes in the twenty twenty three because
it also added switch point conductor splice point, which is
obviously going to take place between that lumina air in
the cable that's coming out of the wall. There's a
splice point. A conductor junction point seems redundant, but you
get it. Conductor termination point again redundant, but you get it.
Wiring method transition point okay, going from a list the
fitting for example, where you're going from one type of
wiring method to another type of wiring method, is called
a transition point okay, or conductor pull point unless otherwise permitted.
And here's where we get that otherwise permitted in three
hundred fifteen A through L.
Speaker 2: So we have a through L.
Speaker 1: Not really exceptions, but there are permitted aspects where you
would not need to have a A box okay, easiest
to say in a box or condo a body. Now
A is pretty straightforward. It says wiring methods with interior access.
It says a box or condo body shall not be
required for each spliced junction, switch pull termination, or outlet
point in wiring methods with removable covers. That makes sense, right,
if it's going to be like a wireway, multi outlet assemblies,
auxiliary gutters.
Speaker 2: And surface raceways.
Speaker 1: It says the covers shall be accessible after the installation,
but they're designed enlisted for those splices to make to
take place inside of there. It would be pointless to
have another box or some type of condo a body
inside of them.
Speaker 2: I mean, these are what these are evaluated for.
Speaker 1: This is why you're opening the cover, This is why
you have those multi out of assemblies, and all of
that takes place in the multilt assembly. I don't need
no box for that. That's part of its listing. That's
how it's evaluated. Okay, so that makes sense. So don't
need a box for that. Next is equipment. Now it
says an integral junction box or wiring compartment as part
of an approved equipment shall be permitted in lieu of
a box. Now, this one's interesting because you know all
boxes don't have to be listed, and there's some boxes
just don't get listing, although there are some like floor
boxes that are listed because they're evaluated for that extra
stresses that are placed in a floor box, but not
all boxes have to be listed. But here it puts
in the word approved equipment. So if you have a
piece of equipment that is that the cable will come
straight too in a clamp and it goes into the
equipment and it's integral to it, okay, or it has
a wiring compartment to it, think of motors and things
like that. Then if that case, you can do that
in lieu you don't need a box. A box would
be irrelevant. The piece of equipment has been designed to
receive the wiring method, so it would be pointless for
somebody to force a box on somebody if it's integral
to the equipment. Now as it's germane to the question,
that's none of these so far is the case right?
Because that luminair already has instructions It says a.
Speaker 2: Box is required. Next is protection.
Speaker 1: See it says a box or condo a body shall
not be required where cable enters or exits from conduit
or tubing that is used to provide cable support or
protection against physical damage. It goes on to say a
fitting shall be provided on the ends of the conduit
or tubing to protect the cable from abrasion. So This
covers the fact that where people say they go take.
Speaker 2: An NM cable and they transition.
Speaker 1: Into a raceway, a conduit or tubing, both of which
are raceways. Which I just had a call the other
day from somebody who said that it was a great
conversation with the gentleman works at a company. H He's like,
he didn't believe you could ever put in him cable
in a raceway, conduit or tubing, And I said, most
certainly you can. Again, you're gonna have to protect it
from abrasion on each end and h or do something
in order to achieve that. But most certainly you can
put a cable assembly inside of a conduit or tubing
and it's going to provide the support for the wiring
method inside of the protective sleeve if you will, if
you want to call it that. No, we don't have
a definition of sleeve, So spare me the comments on that.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, that's just to say,
you know what, you don't have to have a box
on the end of that. So every piece of conduit
or two being that you're installing, whether it's for support
or protection of the cable assembly that's in. It doesn't
necessarily have to have a damn box on every end, okay,
And that's where we get this for that uh m
I cable, that's d I don't know if any of
you have ever worked with them I cable before, but
it's it's a product that is in my opinion, I've
only worked with it one time, and it was a
fire pump application.
Speaker 2: And that shit is very fragile.
Speaker 1: It may not look fragile, but take it from me,
it was obviously early on in my career. This shit
was fragile. But it's mineral insulated metal sheet cable type.
In mind, it's article three thirty two if you're if
you're looking, it is quite an interesting product and it's
basically it's high compressed magnesium oxide and it's actually enclosed
in this continuous copper or alloy steel like a stainless steel,
and it can be with or without a non metallic jacket,
dependsing on the manufacturer, right. And it's typically rated three
hundred or six hundred volts and is available in size
is sixteen believe it or not, and larger, and you
can have from one to seven conductors per cable, and
again it's available in eighteen gage in a larger in
a two conductor cable format. So again, do have some
applications and where you can use it, and then of
course there's applications where you can't use it, But it's
you know, a unique product that does have enhanced fire
protective properties and things like that on it. So but
again other than that, in my cable, I don't I
just don't run in to that much in my experience,
and we don't make it on Core or prismium. However,
with that said, it is one of the allowances here
to be in lieu.
Speaker 2: Of a box.
Speaker 1: If you do this, it says a box or condo
body shall not be required where acceptable fittings are used
for straight through splices in mineral insulated metal sheath cable.
So you know you have a what's called a straight
through splice your MC your MI I cable is going
straight through and f fly. So if you have a
fitting and it's designed for this, uh, then again and
it's used for a straight through splice application. Not exactly
one hundred percent sure where that would be, but I
guess it's you can buy these splices for it. Again
I'm not overly familiar with I cable beyond that, basically
just saying, you know what, where you have one of
those straight through splices that wherever you're doing that splice at, okay,
you buy a kit for that, or you buy a
specific fitting that makes that splice.
Speaker 2: You don't need a box there, That's what it's saying.
Speaker 1: The next one is E, which is an integral enclosure.
So a wiring device with an integral enclosure. And one
of them that come to mind was the old I
think we used to call them Cheetah, But LaGrand has
a or LaGrand I guess whatever you say. It has
a device where you can come into the device in
the actual wiring device has an enclosure that it goes
around the actual device, right, So it's integral. So the
wiring device with an integral enclosure identified for the use
having brackets that securely fastened the device to walls or
ceilings of conventional on site framing construction for use with
non metallic sheath cable, okay, shall be permitted in lieu.
Speaker 2: Of a box or condo a body.
Speaker 1: So that makes me think of these old cheetah systems
that are basically one complete system where the device is
also built with everything and it all acts as one,
and so there's no sense in having a box because
it goes right into this thing, and there's spent a
lot of effort to create this and there's no need
for an extra box. Now again, I will tell you
if you look at the NEC, you're going to see
some informational notes that are going to send you to
certain areas that are relevant to these type of integral
enclosures or where they might be used. Another good example
would be three thirty four dot thirty and this is
dealing with those wiring devices without a separate outlet box.
So three thirty four dot thirty C, which is for nonmetallic,
also addresses this as well, and it just says the
wiring device identified for use without a separate outlet box
and incorporated an integral cable clamp shall be permitted where
the cable is secured in place at intervals not exceeding
four and a half feet and within twelve inches from
the hiring device wall opening. Okay, very similar to what
you would have to do anyway, if you were to
put it in a box and secure it and support.
Speaker 2: The cable associated with it.
Speaker 1: So again, this is a product that is made with
the integral clamping components and everything built into that.
Speaker 2: Right, then that type of thing, then what we're saying
is you don't need a box for that.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what we're saying. Let's see here, we'll go
into the next one. So, if fitting fitting, it says
a fitting identified for use shall be permitted in lieu
of a box or condo a body where conductors are
not spliced or terminated within the fitting. The fitting shall
be accessible after installation unless listed for concealed installation. So
if you have a fitting that it is identified for
specific use and that fitting can be used in lieu
of a box or kind of body, again where you
have no splices or terminations within the fitting. Now that
fitting might be something that comes to mind, would be
like a ninety degree fitting or ninety degree angle fitting.
It says the fitting shall be accessible after the installation
unless it's actually listed for a concealed installation. But other
than that, that would be that would be an example
of fitting where it is openable. Typically the conductors come
in and go through, but there's no splices are terminating
within that fitting. That type of thing, but One of
the biggest uses for this is that transition that me
and you talked about earlier. Right if you're going from
EMT for example, too in transitioning to EMC now, usually
it's the other way around.
Speaker 2: Your MC comes in.
Speaker 1: Then it has to you strip off the armor and
now it has to transition to an EMT. So that's
an example of three hundred and fifteen F where I
wouldn't need a box there for that track because I'm
using a fit that is designed for this transition. And
one thing I'll just say as a caveat got to
remember that if you're going to be stripping the conductors.
Speaker 2: And removing the armor or even.
Speaker 1: With the sheathing, you got to understand that if the
conductors inside of it are not marked, then they can't
transition into another wiring method. Okay, so you can't just
strip the conductors out of an NM cable because they're
not marked.
Speaker 2: Typically, same thing with MC now.
Speaker 1: Majority of the manufacturers will go on and use the
same conductors in MC as they would anywhere else. So
again it saves a step in production. So if those
conductors do have all their required markings on them, then
you can use a transition fitting, and those conductors can
leave the MC and go straight into the EMT or whatever,
as long as you have a proper fitting for that transition.
And then what we're saying here with three hundred fifteen
F is that you know, you know what, you don't
need a box there.
Speaker 2: It's a transition.
Speaker 1: And again, no splices are taking place, no terminations are
taking place. It's just transitioning in this fitting between two
types of wiring methods. So that's the better probably a
better example of three hundred.
Speaker 2: Dot fifteen F that I could talk about. Next one
is g G.
Speaker 1: At the end, three hundred dot fifteen G says direct
barried conductors and cables. So we added and cables for
the twenty twenty three guests said, you know, it was
just assumed, but again there are some direct burial cables.
It says, as permitted in three hundred dot five E,
a box or condo a body shall not be required
for splices and taps indirect baried conductors or cables. Now,
if you're not familiar with three hundred dot five E,
that's splices in taps, and that's under three hundred dot
that's talking about direct buried conductors or cables shall be
permitted to be spliced or tapped without.
Speaker 2: The use of a ice box.
Speaker 1: Okay, and of course you have to follow one ten
dot fourteen B. But again this is an example where
and then one ten FOURT to be requires this splicing
means to be also listed for underground use.
Speaker 2: And that goes without saying.
Speaker 1: I think if you did make splices, you're going to
want to use the kind that would allow you to
be placed in a wet location, right, that type of thing.
So so as long as you meet all that, this
allows for the repair, for example, of damaged GUF cable
and those type of things. And so you can do
this and you would not need to have a box
or condo body to be able to repair these direct
burial conductors or cables, and you buy kits for that
and basically this strip the wires back, crimp them on,
and a heat shrinket or however the method cold shrink
and then go on your merry way. If there again
direct burial conductors or direct burial cables like a uf cable,
that type of thing. Next is h H is for
insulated devices. Now it says as permitted three thirty four
forty B a box or condo bodies shall not be
required for insulated devices supplied.
Speaker 2: By non metallic sheath cable.
Speaker 1: So these really are those little devices that people debate
about all the time, but it's really trying to talk
about those non metallic sheath interconnector devices, which again in
the twenty twenty three code it's listed non metallic sheath
interconnection devices and it is used without a box, so
in also it can be an exposed or concealed installations,
and that's kind of a new statement in the twenty
twenty three I'm sure you've seen these. They've been used
in manufactured homes for years. A lot of people use
these when they're doing a repair on say a flood incident,
where you may be a basement's flooded and anem is
contaminated up to a certain point, so they cut it
back to they make sure that the contamination did not
get further into the paper jute that's inside of the
now metaller sheath cable.
Speaker 2: They cut it off.
Speaker 1: They use these devices and they conceal it in the
wall and they're gonna hold and there's people that dislike them,
but at the end of the day, there are listed
products and they've been evaluated, so I mean, I have
no problem with it. So in these insulated devices like
those that are permitted in three thirty four dot forty
B that can be used in lieu of a box
or a kind of a body, Okay, so it is
a splice, it is in something that is listed insulated device. Again,
I give you a reference three thirty four dot forty B,
go look at it. But it's basically those interconnected devices
that you've seen that people don't like. They're like, I
want a box, I want a box. Well, these things
and actually save your day, and they're gonna be fine.
People worry about that all the time.
Speaker 2: You don't believe me. Whatever you do, you boo.
Speaker 1: But they're gonna be fine if you do them right,
if you follow the instructions and you do it right,
then they will be no problem with these.
Speaker 2: The next is I enclosures.
Speaker 1: It says a box or kind of bodies shall not
be required where a splice, switch, terminal, or pull point
is in a cabinet or cut out box.
Speaker 2: And that just makes damn sense. If that was the.
Speaker 1: Case that every time you had a splice inside of
a panel, that you'd have to put it in another box,
inside of a frickin' box.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And again there's still people out there that say that
you cannot splice inside of a panel enclosure like a
panel board. That is not true. That is absolutely not true.
And I encourage you to go look at three twelve
dot eight A for splices and you're not exceeded of
the cross sectional area of the space.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And your splice or your tap is not exceeding seventy
five percent of the cross sectional area of the space
that your taps are located. And again, if you're following
the bending rules when it's four gauge and larger, you
comply with three fourteen dot twenty eight E two that's
for the bending space, then you're good to go. Okay,
But yes, you can splice in the air and you
would not need to have a junk. It doesn't make
sense you need a box inside of a box. No, No,
it doesn't need sense.
Speaker 2: It makes sense. Okay. Uh. Luminaires, Okay, this was important.
Speaker 1: It says a box or condo bodies shall not be
required where a luminaire is used as a raceway, as
permitted in four to ten dot sixty four. Now at
fourteen dot sixty four. This is an example where you
may have multiple luminaires strips connected together and you're actually
using the wire through as you're using the actual luminaire
as a through wiring method. If that's what you have,
then you do not need to worry about boxes when
you have splices or terminations. That is where we have
situations where we have a lot of these, you know,
the old fluorescent strips that are butted together and you
make splices in it.
Speaker 2: The need for additional boxes is kind of how would
you do that?
Speaker 1: How would you put a box inside of those luminaires
that are designed with knockouts on the end to be
butted together? Right, So that doesn't make sense, and of
course that wouldn't apply to this gentleman's question. So but again,
there are luminais out there that are used as raceways
and they meet the requirements of four to ten dot
sixty four. Pause it and go read that if you want.
And if they meet that, then there's no need for
a junction box in there. I mean, how many how
many in the day you know fluorescence LEDs. If you
put in commercial buildings em butted them together and ran
your wires through a chase nipple between them, and those
luminais were evaluated and listed for you to pass through
all those type of things. Again, I can't get into
every listing, but you've done it, and it wouldn't make
sense to have a junction box at every splice inside
of these luminais that are used for a specific application.
Speaker 2: Just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Again, not germane to his question, but just good, good conversation.
I guess the next is k which is embedded.
Speaker 2: It is what it says. It says embedded.
Speaker 1: It says a box or condo a body shall not
be required for splices where conductors are embedded, as permitted
in four twenty four zero point forty four to twenty
four point forty one.
Speaker 2: YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: So long story short, these are splices for like heating
cables and things like that. So for twenty four deals
with heating cables, and it's talking about the splices and
gives you specific directions for these splices and where they
can be embedded in plaster or dry wall and those
type of things. So this is saying under those specific
applications that are referenced. Okay, that you do not need
a box or you do not need a condo a
body for these splices, right, So that's all that it's
talking about.
Speaker 2: That, And then of course.
Speaker 1: The last one is L and L as manholes and
hand hold enclosures. This makes sense before I even read
it is you guys have done this all the time.
You do parking lot lighting, and you go up and
you come up into the handhole of a pole lighting pole. Well,
what are you going to do? Put a box inside
a damn handhole? I mean, how many of you opened
that opening up the access and there's the splices right there.
So here's what it says. It says a box or
condo a body shall not be required for conductors in
manholes or hand hole enclosures, except we're connecting to electrical equipment.
The installation shall comply with Part five of Article one
ten for manholes and three fourteen dot thirty for hand
hold enclosures. So the next logical question is, PAULI, you're
telling me I got to put a damn box inside
the handhole. And the answer to that is no, because
the vast majority, if not all, of these pole lights,
for example, how handholes that are part of the evaluation
of the light pole and they meet the three fourteen
dot thirty c uh and so they're evaluated in they
consider them enclosures and you can put the splices in there.
Speaker 2: That's why you don't see them. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now important to realize that if it was to any
other electrical equipment that is not evaluated as such, and
you're trying to have a handhole or you know, you
wouldn't have a manhole in that but handhole. If that's
the case, then yes, you're still going to need a box.
This is only applicable to the manholes or handholding closures
where they don't require a box, except we're connecting to
electrical equipment, and of course the light pole, which is
not in l I'm just using that as an example.
The light pole is evaluated, it's such, and it has
that handhole, and it allows you to make splices in
there based on its evaluation.
Speaker 2: So it and it's also going.
Speaker 1: To meet all of the requirements of three fourteen thirty
when it comes to the handhole requirements, okay, that type
of thing. I won't talk about the manhole because I
don't want to offend people. Because now, what do we
call them woman holes? I'm sure I'm going to get
in trouble for that one. But whatever gender unidentified holes
that we have access to, it's easier.
Speaker 2: To just say handholes than to get into this whole
manhole thing.
Speaker 1: But probably don't see a lot of the manhole applications
because that's usually outside of the scope of the NEC.
But it is in the NEEC obviously under Part five
Verticle one ten. So if you do have manhole applications
that are under the germane purview of the NEEC, then
again you don't have to have boxes or kind of
bodies for these splices in manholes or handhole enclosure except
where they'll be connected to electrical equipment, unless, of course,
the equipment is already evaluated in that space, whether it
be a manhole or a handle, is evaluated in order
to be able to have splicing in it or treated
as an enclosure. And again making sure that if it
is a handhole, which is probably what you'll see most
of the time, that it also meets all the requirements
at three fourteen dot thirty for handholding closures. Okay, anyway,
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