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we're going to answer a question. I'm looked in the

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bag of questions. This one came in and Darlingne kind

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of filtered it out for me in order to answer

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this question. I do get this question quite a bit

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in different flavors when it comes to non metallic tat

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cable in whether boxes are required. So I'm going to

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read you the question and then we'll break it down.

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Look at some of the code references. Okay, it says

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good morning, Paul, big fan and longtime listener. We are

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currently building a five story multifamily apartment building where each

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patio has a patio sconce. My question is our electrician

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has installed a Romax wire, a non metallic sheet cable

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from the switch and has poked out the exterior wall

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with a Romax NMB conductor the cable with absolutely no box. Okay,

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so he's just stubbing it out, poking it out. This

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is very common. A lot of rough ends, or you're

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at the rough end stage, they'll poke it and stick

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it out. I tell people to be very careful because

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you really should be taping up the ends so that

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you don't get water into the end of your NM cable.

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Slight moisture that gets on the sheeting, not nearly concerned

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as getting any water into the inside. So a lot

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of people don't take that extra step. You know, they're

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just quick and boom, poke it out out and go

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that type of thing. But it is very common to

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just poke it out with the thought is that maybe

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it's getting bricked up and somebody will come along now

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with me. I used to poke them out and I

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would put a box and hang a box on it,

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so the masonry folks would put my box in. But

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whether you're installing the box or whatever you do, maybe

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it's siding and you're putting up a siding box whatever.

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At the end of the day, the general rule is

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going to be that anywhere you're going to have luminais

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that are going to have connections and have splices and

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terminations that you're going to need a box. Okay, and

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we'll look at that in a little more detail, because

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there are some allowances where you wouldn't have a box

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because of the cable connects to an integral compartment of

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a numinaire or some type of equipment. That makes having

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a box irrelevant because the spices are going to be

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actually made up in the actual equipment.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I digress.

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Speaker 1: So so this question here also goes on to say,

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I mean, looking at the light fixture or the luminair

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installation guidelines, it indicates that it box is installed. Okay,

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So first off we're looking for code references. But at

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the beginning of this, remember that if the luminaire, and

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obviously you know which luminaiir is going to be installed,

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the luminaire's instructions state that it has to be installed

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or mounted on a box.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now one of those things where people just take it

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and use drywall screws and screw it to the siding

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or whatnot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we see this.

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Speaker 1: And there was something that was circulating on social media

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obviously not a code expert guy, but some maybe contractor

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or whatnot, was stating, you never need to have a box.

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You can just take a lumina Air with its canopy

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and make your splices underneath it and screw it straight

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to the siding.

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Speaker 2: That is not true. Okay. First of all, it's that

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out of the way. That's never going to be acceptable.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you know, so the general rule,

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so we got to have a box now in this case,

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he also included the PDFU to the Luminaire which states

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that it's you know that it needs to have a

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box behind it. Okay, so that's a manufacturer. You install

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things one ten three B in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions.

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Speaker 2: They telling you this has to have a box.

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Speaker 1: So I probably would have pushed back right then and say, dude,

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the Luminaire states that it has to be mounted on

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a box, regardless of what you say. Okay, now you

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go on. It's his question is is he allowed to

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stub out the romax wire in an exterior wall without

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a box? The what code violation is is he breaking?

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Are there any exceptions that I'm not thinking about where

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he could get away with this, okay, So no exception,

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there is subparts or that you can applicate, apply depending

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on the condition that you're dealing with. So uh one

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ten three B probably for the fact that the luminaire

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states that it needs to be mounted on a box

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is pretty damn important. But if you go look at

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three hundred dot fifteen, and I'm in the twenty twenty

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three edition of the NEC. So again, if you don't

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state otherwise, I'm always going to go to the latest

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published edition. So remember that, folks, as you submit your

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questions to me, if you're working in the twenty twenty

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or the twenty seventeen or even the twenty fourteen or whatnot,

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wherever you're at in the country, that you also make

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reference to that. Otherwise I'm always going to assume the

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latest edition, okay, all right, So when we look at

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three hundred dot fifteen, and of course you can hauls

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if you need to.

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Speaker 2: And read it, but here's what it says.

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Speaker 1: Three hundred dot fifteen boxes, condoal bodies and fittings where required.

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So there are some allowances where the box may not

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be required or fitting may not be required because it's

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built into the equipment or whatever. It's integral to it.

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It's part of it, right, So anyway, let's read it.

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So it says a box shall be installed at each

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outlet and switch point for concealed NOB and tubing. Okay,

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so obviously nobody's doing nob and tubing anymore, so we

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can don't need to worry about that one. Although NOB

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and tube is still in the NEC. I don't think

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anybody's doing that, so and it's just a legacy deal.

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Next it says, of course it could come into play

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when you're doing a retrofit or remodeling or something, you know,

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after the fact, where you still have NOB and tube

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in play. I guess that's still there for that. The

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next says fittings and connectors shall be used only with

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this specific wiring method for which they are designed and listed.

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Speaker 2: So that's important.

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Speaker 1: So you wouldn't use an MC connector for NM cable

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because it's specifically designed for MC, the same as you

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wouldn't use a specifically identified MC cable connector for AC

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cable even though they look the same, unless it is

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actually designed and listed. Now, good news is for those

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most of them are dual or even triple rated so

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they'll work with MC, they'll work with AC, they'll even

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work with the smart ground or the all purpose type

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of armor which can be used as an equipment ground

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in EMC, which is not the norm. But you get

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a fitting that basically covers all of those gamuts. And

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by the way, I know, I don't want to digress

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into MC, but MC connectors are MCI okay. And then

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you have MCI A the A think of its advanced,

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or think of it as a for the armor is

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being used as an equipment ground, and that is a

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very specific product that's not normal MC. That's a very

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specific product made by many manufacturers where you can use

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the armor as an equipment ground where normally EMC you cannot.

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That's why it has a equipment ground inside of it.

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But an MCID a fitting that is specifically tested for

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use with the armor that may be triple rated, so

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it's also okay for regular MC, and it may even

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be okay for AC. So that's something that you have

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to be aware of. So I just want to point

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that out that you need to use the proper fitting

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and connector for the type of listed wiring method you're

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working and just because something fits just because you can

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stick it in, it doesn't necessarily make it compliant.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: That's a very important statement to make because people think,

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you know, they get maguivering it and do whatever they want.

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Speaker 2: They think, well, it works, I get it.

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Speaker 1: You might go get a plumbing fitting and hook it

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to regular electrical PVC and glue the shit out of it,

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and you might say, hey, it works.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't make it right. Now.

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Speaker 1: It goes on to the last sentence, and this is

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a really important one. Here it says, and we're in

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three hundred to fifteen, by the way, it says where

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the wiring method is conduit tubing type AC cable type

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MC cable type MII cable, non metallic sheath cable which

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is NNB or other cables. It says a box or

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conduit body shall be okay, So this is a mandatory statement.

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If you go back and look and read what shall

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be is it's a mandatory requirement. Okay, although it is

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going to say unless permitted elsewhere, and we'll show you

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what that means. But general rule, okay, a box or

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kind of bodies shab be installed okay for each outlet point.

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And again, if I have to go for the million time.

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Take you into article one hundred so you can read

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what the hell an outlet is, because there are still

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people out there calling a receptacle an outlet. It's a device.

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It mounts in an outlet box, but it's a device.

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So when you see the word outlet, don't immediately just

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jump to receptacle or switch or something like that.

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Speaker 2: That's not Those are devices, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying an outlet is defined as a point

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in the system where you're taking power from the system.

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Speaker 2: So a junction box is an outlet. You're taking power

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from it.

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Speaker 1: If I have a box and I'm going to be

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hooking up a piece of equipment with a whip, right,

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then that is an outlet. That's the point where I'm

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taking it from the building wiring system to supply a

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piece of equipment or utilization equipment.

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Speaker 2: That constitutes an outlet. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So again for those out there that still don't get it,

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and I'm sure there's that one guy and you know

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who you are that's going to give me the thumbs

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down because you can't convince a code panel to change

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their opinion on it. I feel for you, but you're

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not going to it's not gonna happen, okay, all right. Anyway,

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there are some changes in the twenty twenty three because

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it also added switch point conductor splice point, which is

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obviously going to take place between that lumina air in

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the cable that's coming out of the wall. There's a

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splice point. A conductor junction point seems redundant, but you

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get it. Conductor termination point again redundant, but you get it.

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Wiring method transition point okay, going from a list the

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fitting for example, where you're going from one type of

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wiring method to another type of wiring method, is called

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a transition point okay, or conductor pull point unless otherwise permitted.

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And here's where we get that otherwise permitted in three

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hundred fifteen A through L.

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Speaker 2: So we have a through L.

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Speaker 1: Not really exceptions, but there are permitted aspects where you

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would not need to have a A box okay, easiest

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to say in a box or condo a body. Now

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A is pretty straightforward. It says wiring methods with interior access.

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It says a box or condo body shall not be

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required for each spliced junction, switch pull termination, or outlet

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point in wiring methods with removable covers. That makes sense, right,

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if it's going to be like a wireway, multi outlet assemblies,

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auxiliary gutters.

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Speaker 2: And surface raceways.

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Speaker 1: It says the covers shall be accessible after the installation,

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but they're designed enlisted for those splices to make to

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take place inside of there. It would be pointless to

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have another box or some type of condo a body

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inside of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are what these are evaluated for.

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Speaker 1: This is why you're opening the cover, This is why

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you have those multi out of assemblies, and all of

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that takes place in the multilt assembly. I don't need

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no box for that. That's part of its listing. That's

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how it's evaluated. Okay, so that makes sense. So don't

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need a box for that. Next is equipment. Now it

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says an integral junction box or wiring compartment as part

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of an approved equipment shall be permitted in lieu of

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a box. Now, this one's interesting because you know all

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boxes don't have to be listed, and there's some boxes

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just don't get listing, although there are some like floor

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boxes that are listed because they're evaluated for that extra

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stresses that are placed in a floor box, but not

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all boxes have to be listed. But here it puts

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in the word approved equipment. So if you have a

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piece of equipment that is that the cable will come

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straight too in a clamp and it goes into the

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equipment and it's integral to it, okay, or it has

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a wiring compartment to it, think of motors and things

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like that. Then if that case, you can do that

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in lieu you don't need a box. A box would

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be irrelevant. The piece of equipment has been designed to

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receive the wiring method, so it would be pointless for

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somebody to force a box on somebody if it's integral

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to the equipment. Now as it's germane to the question,

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that's none of these so far is the case right?

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Because that luminair already has instructions It says a.

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Speaker 2: Box is required. Next is protection.

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Speaker 1: See it says a box or condo a body shall

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not be required where cable enters or exits from conduit

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or tubing that is used to provide cable support or

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protection against physical damage. It goes on to say a

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fitting shall be provided on the ends of the conduit

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or tubing to protect the cable from abrasion. So This

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covers the fact that where people say they go take.

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Speaker 2: An NM cable and they transition.

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Speaker 1: Into a raceway, a conduit or tubing, both of which

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are raceways. Which I just had a call the other

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day from somebody who said that it was a great

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conversation with the gentleman works at a company. H He's like,

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he didn't believe you could ever put in him cable

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in a raceway, conduit or tubing, And I said, most

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certainly you can. Again, you're gonna have to protect it

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from abrasion on each end and h or do something

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in order to achieve that. But most certainly you can

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put a cable assembly inside of a conduit or tubing

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and it's going to provide the support for the wiring

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method inside of the protective sleeve if you will, if

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you want to call it that. No, we don't have

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a definition of sleeve, So spare me the comments on that.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, that's just to say,

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you know what, you don't have to have a box

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on the end of that. So every piece of conduit

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or two being that you're installing, whether it's for support

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or protection of the cable assembly that's in. It doesn't

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necessarily have to have a damn box on every end, okay,

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And that's where we get this for that uh m

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I cable, that's d I don't know if any of

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you have ever worked with them I cable before, but

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it's it's a product that is in my opinion, I've

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only worked with it one time, and it was a

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fire pump application.

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Speaker 2: And that shit is very fragile.

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Speaker 1: It may not look fragile, but take it from me,

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it was obviously early on in my career. This shit

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was fragile. But it's mineral insulated metal sheet cable type.

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In mind, it's article three thirty two if you're if

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you're looking, it is quite an interesting product and it's

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basically it's high compressed magnesium oxide and it's actually enclosed

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in this continuous copper or alloy steel like a stainless steel,

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and it can be with or without a non metallic jacket,

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dependsing on the manufacturer, right. And it's typically rated three

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hundred or six hundred volts and is available in size

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is sixteen believe it or not, and larger, and you

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can have from one to seven conductors per cable, and

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again it's available in eighteen gage in a larger in

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a two conductor cable format. So again, do have some

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applications and where you can use it, and then of

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course there's applications where you can't use it, But it's

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you know, a unique product that does have enhanced fire

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protective properties and things like that on it. So but

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again other than that, in my cable, I don't I

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just don't run in to that much in my experience,

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and we don't make it on Core or prismium. However,

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with that said, it is one of the allowances here

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to be in lieu.

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Speaker 2: Of a box.

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Speaker 1: If you do this, it says a box or condo

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body shall not be required where acceptable fittings are used

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for straight through splices in mineral insulated metal sheath cable.

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So you know you have a what's called a straight

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through splice your MC your MI I cable is going

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straight through and f fly. So if you have a

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fitting and it's designed for this, uh, then again and

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it's used for a straight through splice application. Not exactly

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one hundred percent sure where that would be, but I

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guess it's you can buy these splices for it. Again

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I'm not overly familiar with I cable beyond that, basically

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just saying, you know what, where you have one of

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those straight through splices that wherever you're doing that splice at, okay,

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you buy a kit for that, or you buy a

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specific fitting that makes that splice.

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Speaker 2: You don't need a box there, That's what it's saying.

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Speaker 1: The next one is E, which is an integral enclosure.

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So a wiring device with an integral enclosure. And one

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of them that come to mind was the old I

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think we used to call them Cheetah, But LaGrand has

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a or LaGrand I guess whatever you say. It has

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a device where you can come into the device in

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the actual wiring device has an enclosure that it goes

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around the actual device, right, So it's integral. So the

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wiring device with an integral enclosure identified for the use

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having brackets that securely fastened the device to walls or

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ceilings of conventional on site framing construction for use with

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non metallic sheath cable, okay, shall be permitted in lieu.

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Speaker 2: Of a box or condo a body.

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Speaker 1: So that makes me think of these old cheetah systems

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that are basically one complete system where the device is

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also built with everything and it all acts as one,

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and so there's no sense in having a box because

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it goes right into this thing, and there's spent a

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lot of effort to create this and there's no need

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for an extra box. Now again, I will tell you

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if you look at the NEC, you're going to see

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some informational notes that are going to send you to

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certain areas that are relevant to these type of integral

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enclosures or where they might be used. Another good example

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would be three thirty four dot thirty and this is

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dealing with those wiring devices without a separate outlet box.

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So three thirty four dot thirty C, which is for nonmetallic,

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also addresses this as well, and it just says the

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wiring device identified for use without a separate outlet box

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and incorporated an integral cable clamp shall be permitted where

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the cable is secured in place at intervals not exceeding

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four and a half feet and within twelve inches from

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the hiring device wall opening. Okay, very similar to what

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you would have to do anyway, if you were to

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put it in a box and secure it and support.

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Speaker 2: The cable associated with it.

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Speaker 1: So again, this is a product that is made with

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the integral clamping components and everything built into that.

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Speaker 2: Right, then that type of thing, then what we're saying

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is you don't need a box for that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's what we're saying. Let's see here, we'll go

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into the next one. So, if fitting fitting, it says

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a fitting identified for use shall be permitted in lieu

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of a box or condo a body where conductors are

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not spliced or terminated within the fitting. The fitting shall

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be accessible after installation unless listed for concealed installation. So

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if you have a fitting that it is identified for

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specific use and that fitting can be used in lieu

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of a box or kind of body, again where you

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have no splices or terminations within the fitting. Now that

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fitting might be something that comes to mind, would be

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like a ninety degree fitting or ninety degree angle fitting.

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It says the fitting shall be accessible after the installation

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unless it's actually listed for a concealed installation. But other

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than that, that would be that would be an example

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of fitting where it is openable. Typically the conductors come

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in and go through, but there's no splices are terminating

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within that fitting. That type of thing, but One of

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the biggest uses for this is that transition that me

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and you talked about earlier. Right if you're going from

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EMT for example, too in transitioning to EMC now, usually

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it's the other way around.

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Speaker 2: Your MC comes in.

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Speaker 1: Then it has to you strip off the armor and

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now it has to transition to an EMT. So that's

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an example of three hundred and fifteen F where I

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wouldn't need a box there for that track because I'm

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using a fit that is designed for this transition. And

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one thing I'll just say as a caveat got to

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remember that if you're going to be stripping the conductors.

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Speaker 2: And removing the armor or even.

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Speaker 1: With the sheathing, you got to understand that if the

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conductors inside of it are not marked, then they can't

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transition into another wiring method. Okay, so you can't just

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strip the conductors out of an NM cable because they're

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not marked.

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Speaker 2: Typically, same thing with MC now.

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Speaker 1: Majority of the manufacturers will go on and use the

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same conductors in MC as they would anywhere else. So

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again it saves a step in production. So if those

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conductors do have all their required markings on them, then

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you can use a transition fitting, and those conductors can

480
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,039
leave the MC and go straight into the EMT or whatever,

481
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,680
as long as you have a proper fitting for that transition.

482
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:57,319
And then what we're saying here with three hundred fifteen

483
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:01,039
F is that you know, you know what, you don't

484
00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:01,920
need a box there.

485
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: It's a transition.

486
00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: And again, no splices are taking place, no terminations are

487
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,039
taking place. It's just transitioning in this fitting between two

488
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:14,200
types of wiring methods. So that's the better probably a

489
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,000
better example of three hundred.

490
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: Dot fifteen F that I could talk about. Next one

491
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:22,720
is g G.

492
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: At the end, three hundred dot fifteen G says direct

493
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,200
barried conductors and cables. So we added and cables for

494
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,680
the twenty twenty three guests said, you know, it was

495
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,799
just assumed, but again there are some direct burial cables.

496
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,279
It says, as permitted in three hundred dot five E,

497
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,720
a box or condo a body shall not be required

498
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:46,720
for splices and taps indirect baried conductors or cables. Now,

499
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,039
if you're not familiar with three hundred dot five E,

500
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,480
that's splices in taps, and that's under three hundred dot

501
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,960
that's talking about direct buried conductors or cables shall be

502
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,720
permitted to be spliced or tapped without.

503
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:00,599
Speaker 2: The use of a ice box.

504
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,119
Speaker 1: Okay, and of course you have to follow one ten

505
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,440
dot fourteen B. But again this is an example where

506
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:11,880
and then one ten FOURT to be requires this splicing

507
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,680
means to be also listed for underground use.

508
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: And that goes without saying.

509
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I think if you did make splices, you're going to

510
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400
want to use the kind that would allow you to

511
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,559
be placed in a wet location, right, that type of thing.

512
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,799
So so as long as you meet all that, this

513
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,680
allows for the repair, for example, of damaged GUF cable

514
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,680
and those type of things. And so you can do

515
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:40,240
this and you would not need to have a box

516
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,920
or condo body to be able to repair these direct

517
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,759
burial conductors or cables, and you buy kits for that

518
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,039
and basically this strip the wires back, crimp them on,

519
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,960
and a heat shrinket or however the method cold shrink

520
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,559
and then go on your merry way. If there again

521
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,279
direct burial conductors or direct burial cables like a uf cable,

522
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:07,240
that type of thing. Next is h H is for

523
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:11,920
insulated devices. Now it says as permitted three thirty four

524
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,680
forty B a box or condo bodies shall not be

525
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,359
required for insulated devices supplied.

526
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,079
Speaker 2: By non metallic sheath cable.

527
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: So these really are those little devices that people debate

528
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,079
about all the time, but it's really trying to talk

529
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:34,440
about those non metallic sheath interconnector devices, which again in

530
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,880
the twenty twenty three code it's listed non metallic sheath

531
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,480
interconnection devices and it is used without a box, so

532
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,880
in also it can be an exposed or concealed installations,

533
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,000
and that's kind of a new statement in the twenty

534
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,119
twenty three I'm sure you've seen these. They've been used

535
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,680
in manufactured homes for years. A lot of people use

536
00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:01,759
these when they're doing a repair on say a flood incident,

537
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,240
where you may be a basement's flooded and anem is

538
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,960
contaminated up to a certain point, so they cut it

539
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,039
back to they make sure that the contamination did not

540
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680
get further into the paper jute that's inside of the

541
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,200
now metaller sheath cable.

542
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: They cut it off.

543
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: They use these devices and they conceal it in the

544
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,759
wall and they're gonna hold and there's people that dislike them,

545
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,000
but at the end of the day, there are listed

546
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,680
products and they've been evaluated, so I mean, I have

547
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,920
no problem with it. So in these insulated devices like

548
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,200
those that are permitted in three thirty four dot forty

549
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,519
B that can be used in lieu of a box

550
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,640
or a kind of a body, Okay, so it is

551
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,000
a splice, it is in something that is listed insulated device. Again,

552
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:50,079
I give you a reference three thirty four dot forty B,

553
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,039
go look at it. But it's basically those interconnected devices

554
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,279
that you've seen that people don't like. They're like, I

555
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,880
want a box, I want a box. Well, these things

556
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,000
and actually save your day, and they're gonna be fine.

557
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,000
People worry about that all the time.

558
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,359
Speaker 2: You don't believe me. Whatever you do, you boo.

559
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,359
Speaker 1: But they're gonna be fine if you do them right,

560
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,799
if you follow the instructions and you do it right,

561
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,359
then they will be no problem with these.

562
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: The next is I enclosures.

563
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,799
Speaker 1: It says a box or kind of bodies shall not

564
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,319
be required where a splice, switch, terminal, or pull point

565
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,039
is in a cabinet or cut out box.

566
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,119
Speaker 2: And that just makes damn sense. If that was the.

567
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,519
Speaker 1: Case that every time you had a splice inside of

568
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,880
a panel, that you'd have to put it in another box,

569
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,519
inside of a frickin' box.

570
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:38,519
Speaker 2: You know.

571
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,519
Speaker 1: And again there's still people out there that say that

572
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:48,200
you cannot splice inside of a panel enclosure like a

573
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,200
panel board. That is not true. That is absolutely not true.

574
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,559
And I encourage you to go look at three twelve

575
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:01,039
dot eight A for splices and you're not exceeded of

576
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,039
the cross sectional area of the space.

577
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,279
Speaker 2: Uh.

578
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: And your splice or your tap is not exceeding seventy

579
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,920
five percent of the cross sectional area of the space

580
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:17,400
that your taps are located. And again, if you're following

581
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,039
the bending rules when it's four gauge and larger, you

582
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:23,079
comply with three fourteen dot twenty eight E two that's

583
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:26,119
for the bending space, then you're good to go. Okay,

584
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,880
But yes, you can splice in the air and you

585
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,319
would not need to have a junk. It doesn't make

586
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:34,559
sense you need a box inside of a box. No, No,

587
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,440
it doesn't need sense.

588
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,599
Speaker 2: It makes sense. Okay. Uh. Luminaires, Okay, this was important.

589
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: It says a box or condo bodies shall not be

590
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:49,599
required where a luminaire is used as a raceway, as

591
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,319
permitted in four to ten dot sixty four. Now at

592
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,119
fourteen dot sixty four. This is an example where you

593
00:33:56,279 --> 00:34:04,519
may have multiple luminaires strips connected together and you're actually

594
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,480
using the wire through as you're using the actual luminaire

595
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,559
as a through wiring method. If that's what you have,

596
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,079
then you do not need to worry about boxes when

597
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:26,119
you have splices or terminations. That is where we have

598
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,159
situations where we have a lot of these, you know,

599
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,079
the old fluorescent strips that are butted together and you

600
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:33,199
make splices in it.

601
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: The need for additional boxes is kind of how would

602
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:37,880
you do that?

603
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: How would you put a box inside of those luminaires

604
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,039
that are designed with knockouts on the end to be

605
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,159
butted together? Right, So that doesn't make sense, and of

606
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,480
course that wouldn't apply to this gentleman's question. So but again,

607
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:56,679
there are luminais out there that are used as raceways

608
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,119
and they meet the requirements of four to ten dot

609
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,039
sixty four. Pause it and go read that if you want.

610
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,920
And if they meet that, then there's no need for

611
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,199
a junction box in there. I mean, how many how

612
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,599
many in the day you know fluorescence LEDs. If you

613
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:17,719
put in commercial buildings em butted them together and ran

614
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,239
your wires through a chase nipple between them, and those

615
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,800
luminais were evaluated and listed for you to pass through

616
00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:28,239
all those type of things. Again, I can't get into

617
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,679
every listing, but you've done it, and it wouldn't make

618
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,239
sense to have a junction box at every splice inside

619
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,679
of these luminais that are used for a specific application.

620
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: Just doesn't make sense.

621
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,519
Speaker 1: Again, not germane to his question, but just good, good conversation.

622
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:51,559
I guess the next is k which is embedded.

623
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: It is what it says. It says embedded.

624
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: It says a box or condo a body shall not

625
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,840
be required for splices where conductors are embedded, as permitted

626
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,280
in four twenty four zero point forty four to twenty

627
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,360
four point forty one.

628
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: YadA, YadA, YadA.

629
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: So long story short, these are splices for like heating

630
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,920
cables and things like that. So for twenty four deals

631
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,519
with heating cables, and it's talking about the splices and

632
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:28,719
gives you specific directions for these splices and where they

633
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,719
can be embedded in plaster or dry wall and those

634
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,360
type of things. So this is saying under those specific

635
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,039
applications that are referenced. Okay, that you do not need

636
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:45,000
a box or you do not need a condo a

637
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:48,880
body for these splices, right, So that's all that it's

638
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,480
talking about.

639
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: That, And then of course.

640
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,599
Speaker 1: The last one is L and L as manholes and

641
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:02,440
hand hold enclosures. This makes sense before I even read

642
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,920
it is you guys have done this all the time.

643
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,760
You do parking lot lighting, and you go up and

644
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,440
you come up into the handhole of a pole lighting pole. Well,

645
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,159
what are you going to do? Put a box inside

646
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:17,079
a damn handhole? I mean, how many of you opened

647
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,079
that opening up the access and there's the splices right there.

648
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,000
So here's what it says. It says a box or

649
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,840
condo a body shall not be required for conductors in

650
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:35,599
manholes or hand hole enclosures, except we're connecting to electrical equipment.

651
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:40,239
The installation shall comply with Part five of Article one

652
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,079
ten for manholes and three fourteen dot thirty for hand

653
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:49,400
hold enclosures. So the next logical question is, PAULI, you're

654
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,239
telling me I got to put a damn box inside

655
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,840
the handhole. And the answer to that is no, because

656
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,559
the vast majority, if not all, of these pole lights,

657
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:04,880
for example, how handholes that are part of the evaluation

658
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,400
of the light pole and they meet the three fourteen

659
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,880
dot thirty c uh and so they're evaluated in they

660
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,360
consider them enclosures and you can put the splices in there.

661
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: That's why you don't see them. Okay.

662
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Now important to realize that if it was to any

663
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,719
other electrical equipment that is not evaluated as such, and

664
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,960
you're trying to have a handhole or you know, you

665
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,840
wouldn't have a manhole in that but handhole. If that's

666
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,199
the case, then yes, you're still going to need a box.

667
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:39,920
This is only applicable to the manholes or handholding closures

668
00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:43,920
where they don't require a box, except we're connecting to

669
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,639
electrical equipment, and of course the light pole, which is

670
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,480
not in l I'm just using that as an example.

671
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:54,760
The light pole is evaluated, it's such, and it has

672
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,360
that handhole, and it allows you to make splices in

673
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,239
there based on its evaluation.

674
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: So it and it's also going.

675
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,639
Speaker 1: To meet all of the requirements of three fourteen thirty

676
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,519
when it comes to the handhole requirements, okay, that type

677
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:15,880
of thing. I won't talk about the manhole because I

678
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,679
don't want to offend people. Because now, what do we

679
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:24,760
call them woman holes? I'm sure I'm going to get

680
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,280
in trouble for that one. But whatever gender unidentified holes

681
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,360
that we have access to, it's easier.

682
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: To just say handholes than to get into this whole

683
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:36,119
manhole thing.

684
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: But probably don't see a lot of the manhole applications

685
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,280
because that's usually outside of the scope of the NEC.

686
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,719
But it is in the NEEC obviously under Part five

687
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,280
Verticle one ten. So if you do have manhole applications

688
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,519
that are under the germane purview of the NEEC, then

689
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,159
again you don't have to have boxes or kind of

690
00:39:56,159 --> 00:40:01,559
bodies for these splices in manholes or handhole enclosure except

691
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,599
where they'll be connected to electrical equipment, unless, of course,

692
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:09,280
the equipment is already evaluated in that space, whether it

693
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,800
be a manhole or a handle, is evaluated in order

694
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,440
to be able to have splicing in it or treated

695
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:19,320
as an enclosure. And again making sure that if it

696
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,280
is a handhole, which is probably what you'll see most

697
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,199
of the time, that it also meets all the requirements

698
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:29,079
at three fourteen dot thirty for handholding closures. Okay, anyway,

699
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,880
that's a long way around answering this question. I went

700
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,760
a little deeper than I probably needed to go to

701
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,599
answer this question for the gentleman. But hopefully you got

702
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:39,599
something out of this and you enjoyed it. Maybe you're

703
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:42,480
traveling down the road to your job site, or chilling

704
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,599
out on the job site, listen at lunchtime or whatever,

705
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,519
kicking it with the boys or girls. Again, don't want

706
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,400
to be gender neutral on it, so check it out,

707
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,639
so so hopefully enjoyed something about it. Remember, if you

708
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:57,639
have any questions that you want answered by me and

709
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,760
given my opinion or my flavor on it, whether you

710
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,280
or disagree, that's perfectly okay. I understand there's many people

711
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,840
that may not agree with my interpretations, and that's fine

712
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,119
that you do, you boo.

713
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,119
Speaker 2: As I always say, check me out.

714
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: All you got to do is follow me on all

715
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,800
of my social media platforms. It's at master the NEC

716
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,079
except for LinkedIn, which is actually followed me by my

717
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,360
name Paul Abernathy.

718
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