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<v Speaker 2>Holy crap, I don't know who the hell we think

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<v Speaker 2>when we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Get off our show, idiot, the kids are playing or

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<v Speaker 1>trail off.

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<v Speaker 3>The countries are screwing it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Play Inner Murals, Brother, gold Play Inner Murals.

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<v Speaker 2>They're supposed to be mature adults, but they're really not.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the kid here? Who's the kid here? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>kidding me? Now? Here's Nick coffee?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? Where do we start? That's a legitimate question.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been on the airwaves here for this show

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<v Speaker 2>in a while, and a lot has happened since what

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<v Speaker 2>was it last Wednesday? A lot is transpired, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to discuss that over these next three hours. So

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<v Speaker 2>welcome in, hang out, make yourself at home. This is

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<v Speaker 2>Talk seven ninety nit coffee with you, Austin Montgomery alongside

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<v Speaker 2>today producing this afternoon, and I genuinely don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>where we should start, Like what makes the most sense

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<v Speaker 2>as far as where we start?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first off, how about how was your Thanksgiving? Everything

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<v Speaker 4>all right with the family, everything go well.

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<v Speaker 3>I was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't have been better, although it didn't really feel like Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not a complaint. Like I love Thanksgiving. I

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<v Speaker 2>got to spend time with family, my wife. We took

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<v Speaker 2>the two kids to Churchill Downs. That's kind of become

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<v Speaker 2>our early part of the early part of the day

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<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving tradition that we've started. I think now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>just about every year since we've had children, rather just

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<v Speaker 2>be Maya or Moose, we've we've made it to Churchill

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of what we do. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>go to my mom's and have a good time. But

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<v Speaker 2>when I think of Thanksgiving, I think of that that

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<v Speaker 2>game against against West Virginia, where like I was, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of forgot what those games do to me

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to basketball. I forgot what that experience was like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Wednesday, I forgot how awesome it was to

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<v Speaker 2>see your team just blow somebody off the floor that

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<v Speaker 2>you know was a top fifteen team and look really

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<v Speaker 2>good doing it. And the next day, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was reminded what it's like whenever they're in a close

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<v Speaker 2>game and it just feels like you know you're about

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<v Speaker 2>to have a heart attack. So Thanksgiving was great, but

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<v Speaker 2>in an awful way. I mean, it's just me being

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<v Speaker 2>honest here. Maybe you guys don't think it's awful. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you understand, maybe you can relate. Like had they lost

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<v Speaker 2>that West Virginia game, like I think Thanksgiving would have

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<v Speaker 2>been a terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Day for me, which it should cancel.

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<v Speaker 2>It shouldn't be that way, but it just is because

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<v Speaker 2>we're crazy about this stuff, right m.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, no it Thanksgiving would have been canceled.

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<v Speaker 3>Like moving forward like no more, like we get like

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<v Speaker 3>two years off.

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<v Speaker 4>Christmas might have been canceled if they lost to UK too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, man, I think I don't know if I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be here if that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just one truth. I don't know if I would

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<v Speaker 3>be here if that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I would be, but you know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>can't imagine where I would be mentally. And that's sad

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<v Speaker 2>to say, but man, it's the truth. I'm just being

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<v Speaker 2>honest with you. Man, this stuff makes me crazy and

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<v Speaker 2>Lowell basketball just because of the recent years and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why, you know, the excitement level for the Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>blowout was through the roof. Same thing for the West

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<v Speaker 2>Virginia game, but you know, it was also very nerve wracking.

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<v Speaker 2>You blew Indian out, so like it makes me feel

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<v Speaker 2>alive now the Kentucky game. No matter what, regardless of

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<v Speaker 2>the circumstance and situation, I'm just a lunatic during those

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<v Speaker 2>games the day of beforehand. I mean, it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>such a and it shouldn't be that way, but it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also kind of in a sick and twisted way.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wouldn't have it any other way. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to basketball. I'm still choosing to view the

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<v Speaker 2>Battle for Atlantis as a major positive for Pat Kelsey

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<v Speaker 2>and his team, but looking at a really tough stretch

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<v Speaker 2>of games that you still have left on the schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>not just this season, but you know, like in the

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<v Speaker 2>next week and a half two weeks, including one tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>night against o Ole Miss, I kind of feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the Oklahoma win isn't going to be viewed as a

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<v Speaker 2>bad one, but it was right there for you to

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<v Speaker 2>get and I just hope it isn't one that comes

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<v Speaker 2>back to bite you when it comes to selection Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very far away, but that's a game that you

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<v Speaker 2>lost to a good team and there's really nobody that

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<v Speaker 2>should feel like, man, how to be lose to them?

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<v Speaker 3>They stink.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, a play here and there, especially down

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<v Speaker 2>the stretch, like you could have won and there would

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<v Speaker 2>have been a lot of value there. Now you also

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<v Speaker 2>lost caseon Pryor for the season, which absolutely sucks. That

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<v Speaker 2>news came out earlier today and it didn't look good

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<v Speaker 2>when he went out, and it didn't look good when

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<v Speaker 2>he came back onto the bench and a wheelchair, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think his face kind of said it all. They

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<v Speaker 2>had an MRI I think yesterday or today, and they

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<v Speaker 2>released the news before Pat Kelsey's press conference. The case

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<v Speaker 2>in Pryor is going to miss the rest of the season, which, again,

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<v Speaker 2>it sucks. Now I'm not as down on the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of this season as others. I think Cason is a

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<v Speaker 2>good player. There's really not a lot. Well, I'll save

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<v Speaker 2>it because I have a the best case scenario as

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<v Speaker 2>far as like how you can maybe not get better

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<v Speaker 2>from this because you lost one of your more talented

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<v Speaker 2>players on the roster. But I do think you can

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<v Speaker 2>now expect to see Pat Kelcey mix some things up

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and that could lead to you having,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>More of a of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Dangerous lineup at certain times, depending on you know, who emerges. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>there's also a side that's just like, hey, you're now

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<v Speaker 2>down three scholarship players that we're all expected to have

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<v Speaker 2>big roles because Cason's out for the year. Doesn't sound good.

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<v Speaker 2>With korn Johnson, I mean, he's going to get a

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<v Speaker 2>second opinion, I guess, see a second specialist when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to his shoulder, which probably means that and this

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<v Speaker 2>is just a guess. I shouldn't even speculate, but usually

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<v Speaker 2>when you hear that they're gonna go get a second opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because they didn't like the opinion of the first specialist.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is that he's probably been told that he

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<v Speaker 2>needs a procedure, some kind of surgery, and maybe he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get a second opinion to see if they think

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<v Speaker 2>he could play through it. I'm just guessing, but it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't sound like they've really gotten any indication he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be back anytime soon. And then obviously with tre Ore,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that is really valuable.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you.

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<v Speaker 2>You could see that you know you can get it,

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<v Speaker 2>You can get by without him because He's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a guy that scores a lot of points

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<v Speaker 2>for you, but he does make you better defensively. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a better athlete, and he's a good rebounder. So any

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys back would be would be huge. But

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<v Speaker 2>obviously prior we know will not happen this year, So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk to some hoops of course. I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of really good games this week and

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned a moment ago, Ole Miss tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock, and it's the acc SEC Challenge, big opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>for Louisville, and you win that one. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how you would you'd be able. I mean again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's and it's tough to to really even know what

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<v Speaker 2>to expect because you're now going to play for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time a full game without case In Pryor. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that's an opportunity to get a big

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<v Speaker 2>time win for your resume. Speaking of your resume, we

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<v Speaker 2>got the first edition of the net rankings this year

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<v Speaker 2>for college basketball. What'salk about where Louisville came in before

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<v Speaker 2>too long. But let's get to the best result of

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. That's the Governor's cup order has been restored

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the gridiron in this state, as

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Brohm and the Cards reclaim the Governor's Cup, bringing

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<v Speaker 2>it back to where it belongs. And I said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>the best part of the weekend. But it was really

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<v Speaker 2>more of a relief than it was anything else. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was a madman in the first half because to

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<v Speaker 2>only be up twenty to nothing, it felt very, very

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<v Speaker 2>scary and dangerous, like how did this happen? How did

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<v Speaker 2>you not give yourself enough cushion here? You've been beating

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<v Speaker 2>their brains in, They've been awful in every way, yet

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a bigger lead, Like this is nightmare

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<v Speaker 2>scenario kind of And then sure enough they score and

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<v Speaker 2>it's seven to twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>And the fact that at that point it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a two score game where if they scored two

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<v Speaker 2>touchdowns winning, like it just felt like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to play out in the worst way possible.

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<v Speaker 2>But then Louisville, of course, just continued to I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just run it down their throat and take advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>how bad Kentucky was. I'm not doing the rivalry thing here,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I am, but I think you could have

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<v Speaker 2>no clue about this even being a rivalry, and you

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<v Speaker 2>could just be watching that game, which I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>why you would. It was not a great game to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a blowout, but you would think Kentucky's the

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<v Speaker 2>worst team in the country, and they really, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't far from it. They were one and seven in

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<v Speaker 2>the SEC. They didn't beat anybody on their schedule this

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<v Speaker 2>year at home that they didn't pay to come in

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<v Speaker 2>and bend over. The bye games is all they won.

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<v Speaker 2>And they finished fifteenth out of sixteen teams in the SEC.

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<v Speaker 2>So like they are bad. Trust me, it's not like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh Wow, who knew Kentucky was going to be bad?

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<v Speaker 2>But like they I think you could make the case.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is actually I'm not trying to take credit

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<v Speaker 2>away from Louisville, just my observation here. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>can look at how bad Canentucky was and really not

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it had a whole lot to do with Louisville. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville running it down their throat. I mean, those two

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<v Speaker 2>freshmen running backs, I mean, those guys are special.

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<v Speaker 3>Saved.

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<v Speaker 2>Your Chris ask for Christmas money this year is your gift?

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<v Speaker 2>Just asked for cash? You could donate it directly to

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<v Speaker 2>Duke Watson and Isaac Brown because we got to do

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<v Speaker 2>whatever we can to keep these guys here. Those guys

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<v Speaker 2>are special, So like, those guys are talented. But like,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this. The worst game statistically for Tyler Shuck

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<v Speaker 2>in his twelve game career at Louisville and Jacorey Brooks

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<v Speaker 2>didn't catch pass and you still beat him forty one

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<v Speaker 2>to fourteen, and it really could have been a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>or she could have scored sixty. So me, Kentucky just

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<v Speaker 2>completely laid down. And I mean, I'm happy that that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were so bad this year. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they hate their coach to where you really

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<v Speaker 2>weren't gonna have, Like there wasn't gonna be a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot of eating crow, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you were going to try to pull receipts, which

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<v Speaker 3>Enjoyed doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're gonna do that, it'd be a little

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<v Speaker 2>if it's before the game you got to dig back to,

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<v Speaker 2>like after they beat Old Miss to find Kentucky fans

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<v Speaker 2>after that.

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<v Speaker 3>And they hate their coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not overall, because he did change a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Stoops in twenty twenty four going into twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five and want him to desperately leave.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was great. It was just a relief to

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<v Speaker 2>And here's still hoping that it stays on this side

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<v Speaker 2>of the state for a long long time. And I

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<v Speaker 2>that's where Kentucky fans are really really stuck, because they

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<v Speaker 2>can give you the well, hey, it's congratulations, should beat

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible Kentucky team. You won one in six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that a good Kentucky voice? I feel like I

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it didn't have a lot of twang to that,

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have as that Eastern Kentucky twang, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like they give you the well, congratulations, you beat a

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, that's playful, that's fine, but like you

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<v Speaker 2>could easily just shut him up when you say yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that it's not getting any better for you,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know that you want your coach gone. You're

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<v Speaker 2>worried that things are going to really fall off the

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<v Speaker 2>rails because he's staying. What makes you think you're going

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<v Speaker 2>in your I mean, you know, anything can happen, tucky,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe good next I have no clue, but like obviously

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<v Speaker 2>things don't look great right now. Like Mark stoops the

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<v Speaker 2>scenario where he puts together a great roster and they're

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<v Speaker 2>really good next year, I just don't really see how

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<v Speaker 2>that happens, just given the momentum and given the way

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<v Speaker 2>Mark stoops, I mean, I think he's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>guys that has done a good enough job embracing an il,

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<v Speaker 2>but man, he's hit he hit his limit and started

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how much he hates it, And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he's been pretty dejected throughout throughout the year, even before

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<v Speaker 2>the season started, until I don't know about a couple

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago he found out that they wanted him gone,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he took great satisfaction going to the

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<v Speaker 2>press conference on Saturday after losing forty one to fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>to the rival. He loved being able to say, I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's a lot of you that want me gone,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're gonna be upset because I'm not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going back to work tomorrow. And I'm paraphrasing to

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<v Speaker 2>an extent. I think that's pretty close to what he said.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a strategic comment to make when you say

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<v Speaker 2>whenever you talk about fans being frustrated, like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's out of line, but that kind of tells

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<v Speaker 2>you where he is, Like he's kind of dunking on y'all. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>I know y'all want me gone, but just rest assured

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be at work tomorrow. Like that's him, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>eat it, I'm still here. And it's just an unhealthy

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<v Speaker 2>relationship right now. It seems like when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Stoops and the Kentucky fan base, and look, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they do come back next year and they're really good,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't there's not a lot of momentum right

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<v Speaker 2>now that is going to happen, especially considering they're losing

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<v Speaker 2>coaches or they're going to lose a coach, maybe two coaches,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're and I'm not talking about Vince Marrow, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get to that later.

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<v Speaker 3>That was nonsense. That whole thing was just nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyways, they're gonna lose Brad White, and they've got

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<v Speaker 2>players hitting the portal, they've got commits decommitting and flipping

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<v Speaker 2>to other schools. Doesn't mean they can't find some magic

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<v Speaker 2>in the portal or whatever. But Kentucky fans, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't have it both ways. You can't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>how bummed you are that your coach won't leave and

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<v Speaker 2>that you want so badly for John Schlarman to take

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<v Speaker 2>the job, knowing that it's not going to open up.

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina's coming after him, West Virginia is gonna come

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<v Speaker 2>after him. He's going to be in the mix there. Schlarman,

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<v Speaker 2>of course at Tulane and he played for those that

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<v Speaker 2>are He played at UK and coached at UK and

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<v Speaker 2>had a really good run at Troy and then did

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<v Speaker 2>a good job at Tulane. And now he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be on the mark. He's going to be a candidate

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<v Speaker 2>for these other power jobs. And you know, with Purdue

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<v Speaker 2>opening up as well as Carolina and West Virginia. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you saw the desperation from Kentucky fans wanting those schools

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<v Speaker 2>to be interested in their coach, right, like a power

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<v Speaker 2>program that might be interested in Stoops, but they know

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<v Speaker 2>deep down that he's not an attractive candidate. So like

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard for you to respond. I mean, you can

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<v Speaker 2>respond however you want, but like, I know you don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe that your football program is going to be good

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<v Speaker 2>under Mark Stoops. Now you may be wrong, maybe they are,

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<v Speaker 2>but like I know you don't believe that right now,

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<v Speaker 2>So how can you tell me that, like the Cup's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna come back to Lexington anytime soon? I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>day and age, we don't have a clue what either

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<v Speaker 2>roster's going to look like next year because we're getting

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where it's gonna be insanely difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>keep up with. You've already got players for Louisville entering

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<v Speaker 2>the portal. I'm sure the same thing for Kentucky, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll try my best to keep up with it and

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<v Speaker 2>of course update you guys with this platform here on

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<v Speaker 2>this show, But like it's hard to keep up with,

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, Mark Stoop's a good coach, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>But you only say that because he wanted Kentucky at

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<v Speaker 2>a level that like nobody else ever could. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that says a lot about him as a coach

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot about their program. That Mark Steops, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, is widely respected in the college football world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not uncommon to see people and you probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>see it now because of the recency here, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for years you'd see him listed as one of the

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<v Speaker 2>the top ten paid coaches in the country right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's really nothing he's done, not an accomplishment, not

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<v Speaker 2>a big I mean, it's just that he's won more

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<v Speaker 2>than anybody else else has at Kentucky and they remove

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<v Speaker 2>themselves from the bottom level of power football during his

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<v Speaker 2>time there, and that again is viewed as wow. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's ever won in Kentucky like this. But you're not

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<v Speaker 2>claiming like nobody's ever won a champion national championship of Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just saying, like nobody's ever made them not suck

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<v Speaker 2>consistently like Mark Stoops has. So why Mitch Barnhardt felt

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<v Speaker 2>like he needed to give Mark Stoops the contract that

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<v Speaker 2>he gave him. No, I mean, the Caliperry lifetime contract

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<v Speaker 2>was insane, and you got lucky. Cali Perry did you

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<v Speaker 2>a favor, which sounds like he's not happy that he

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<v Speaker 2>did that now, but he did you a favor. He

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<v Speaker 2>walked or you didn't have to pay any money, and

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<v Speaker 2>he found a landing spot. Arkansas was willing to pay

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<v Speaker 2>him a lot of money. Nobody's doing that with Mark Stoops.

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<v Speaker 3>Your kid many marks.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the tenth highest paid one of the I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's like number eight and number nine when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the highest paid coaches in college football. Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Stoops is not walking away from nine million a year,

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<v Speaker 2>which is generational wealth. Really every season he coaches, and

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<v Speaker 2>he knows that he wouldn't get seventy to sixty to

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<v Speaker 2>seventy percent of that salary elsewhere if he gets another job.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, he may hate it there, but he'll deal

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<v Speaker 2>with some knuckleheads online complaining if it's if it comes

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<v Speaker 2>down to, like, hm, should I keep coaching and make

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<v Speaker 2>nine million a year to where I could be terrible

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<v Speaker 2>and we could He didn't have a worse season than

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<v Speaker 2>we did this past year, and they'd have to fire

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<v Speaker 2>me and pay me or should I just walk away?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, Billy in Pikeville's upset, and he called

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<v Speaker 2>the Coaches show crime like, you know, like it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't mean to pile on. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>if you listen to the show somewhat consistently, I know

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<v Speaker 2>you heard me mention this at least once. It was

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<v Speaker 2>it was insane. The Kentucky fans were just acting like

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to ride off into the sunset and just

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<v Speaker 2>walk away because you guys got frustrated, Like what world

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<v Speaker 2>are you living in? Who walks away from nine million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year? Nobody like and they just assume, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, he's he's really not happy. He really

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<v Speaker 2>is having a tough time, you know which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>he did say that he was, you know, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>think of the exact way he described it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean before the season and during the season, he talked

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<v Speaker 2>about how it's not sustainable doing what he's doing, raising

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<v Speaker 2>taken care of and all that like his compleat didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean he was gonna walk away, because he could be

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<v Speaker 2>probably three times more frustrated, and you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>bitter towards the fan base who doesn't appreciate him the

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<v Speaker 2>way he probably feels like he should be appreciated. You

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<v Speaker 2>could take all the feeling he has now and times

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<v Speaker 2>it by three, four, maybe five, and you'd still be

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<v Speaker 2>a fool, I think to expect him to just walk

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<v Speaker 2>away avoid that contract.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody does that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>My voice got so high.

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<v Speaker 3>That's excitement. Yeah, I mean, look, it's a relief.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a relief to know that that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to you know, because they we'll get to it

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<v Speaker 3>But I need to get to a breaks what I

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back on the other side. If you guys

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety Now back to Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's

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<v Speaker 2>Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven to ninety. Appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out with us. I'm gonna do this. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>talk basketball coming up here in the four o'clock hour.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're on hold and you wanted to talk hoops,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine because you know I want to talk coops

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<v Speaker 2>as well, but I'm going to try to. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>on the text line kind of expressing the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>in their own way. As far as it didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>as satisfying as you as you thought it would, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was just the relief of having it back and

421
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<v Speaker 2>not having to hear from them anymore about being you know,

422
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<v Speaker 2>they're still going to tell you that they won five

423
00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:46.240
<v Speaker 2>out of six, which is true, but man, it was

424
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<v Speaker 2>so hard to bring them down to reality whenever they

425
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<v Speaker 2>have had this false perception of themselves as a program,

426
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, like talking about going seven and five

427
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<v Speaker 2>three five in the SEC but beating Louisville, and then

428
00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:05.720
<v Speaker 2>they would talk about potentially it's our year to win

429
00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the East and like that's insane, but it won. Is

430
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<v Speaker 2>a program that has never really had to deal with

431
00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:11.960
<v Speaker 2>success before, so they don't know how to do it.

432
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<v Speaker 2>But it's also hard to like clown them whenever they

433
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<v Speaker 2>could point to the scoreboard and say, but we're beating you,

434
00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:18.839
<v Speaker 2>and you know it's true. Now, there was clearly some

435
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<v Speaker 2>circumstances in play. One of them was Bobby got canned.

436
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<v Speaker 3>They got that.

437
00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:25.240
<v Speaker 2>That's when they got it back. Next year, Sack came

438
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<v Speaker 2>in and he's the worst fit for the rivalry and

439
00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.839
<v Speaker 2>really Stoops, I think knew he could alpha Sadurfield and

440
00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.759
<v Speaker 2>he did. And then you know, from then on they

441
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<v Speaker 2>lost to Sack a couple more times, and then last

442
00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:39.759
<v Speaker 2>year was a game that really Louisville needs to own it.

443
00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:43.480
<v Speaker 2>They lost, but you know, Louisville was a better team,

444
00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:46.039
<v Speaker 2>and everybody knew that. There's a reason Louisvell has always

445
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<v Speaker 2>come in favored in these games because objective people say,

446
00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:50.440
<v Speaker 2>look like Louisve's better. Now you don't win, it didn't matter,

447
00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:54.039
<v Speaker 2>but they have a level of arrogance about themselves that

448
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<v Speaker 2>I think is more than anything, rooted by the fact

449
00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.759
<v Speaker 2>that they started owning this rivalry and you can't take

450
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<v Speaker 2>that away from them. But just to know that you

451
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<v Speaker 2>beat them forty one to fourteen, and it could have

452
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<v Speaker 2>been a lot worse was it was satisfying. But more

453
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<v Speaker 2>than anything, it's just a relief because if you watch

454
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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky even a little bit this year, I mean, they

455
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<v Speaker 2>were terrible and I had fear that, you know.

456
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<v Speaker 1>That.

457
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<v Speaker 2>That's why I was a lunatic in the first half

458
00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:20.720
<v Speaker 2>and even when they scored in the beginning of the

459
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<v Speaker 2>third quarter, because I'm like, how can you not be

460
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<v Speaker 2>up more?

461
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<v Speaker 3>Right now? This is insane?

462
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<v Speaker 2>But in the end it worked out. Louisvill wins forty

463
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<v Speaker 2>one to fourteen. All right, let's go to the phone lines.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Bibot two five seven seventy nine hundred is the number

465
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<v Speaker 2>if you guys want to join us. We'll start things

466
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<v Speaker 2>off here with Jerry. Jerry, what's happening?

467
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<v Speaker 5>Brother?

468
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<v Speaker 1>Say?

469
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<v Speaker 6>Nick?

470
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<v Speaker 5>First things first, I want to correct you on something

471
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<v Speaker 5>you said. It's John Sumraw, not John Slarman.

472
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<v Speaker 3>Did I say Sarmon? I'm a dumb ass. I'm sorry you.

473
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<v Speaker 5>Did I think that's the offensive line coach.

474
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<v Speaker 3>He passed away right right? Correct? Yeah, I'm sorry, thank you.

475
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<v Speaker 5>And then, real Quick, I felt exactly like you at halftime.

476
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<v Speaker 5>I felt like it should have at least been thirty

477
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<v Speaker 5>one to nothing if you go back, Schuck missed Isaac

478
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<v Speaker 5>Brown out of the backfield for a sure touchdown, and

479
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.240
<v Speaker 5>then for whatever reason, Jeff Brohn thinks he has to

480
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<v Speaker 5>get cute and go with that reverse and we end

481
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<v Speaker 5>up with a fumble where we should have at least

482
00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:19.799
<v Speaker 5>walked away with a field goal.

483
00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:24.599
<v Speaker 2>And the bell steps out of bounds. Huggins Bruce drops

484
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<v Speaker 2>a pass in the end zone like we were we were.

485
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I'm glad they won the way they did,

486
00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:31.640
<v Speaker 2>but I was not thrilled with the offensive play calling

487
00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:32.359
<v Speaker 2>in the first half.

488
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<v Speaker 5>True, And I felt exactly the same way I've always

489
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<v Speaker 5>said talked about stops. Real Quick, he's getting his nine

490
00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.119
<v Speaker 5>million for beating us when we were down. That's at

491
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<v Speaker 5>the end of the day. That's the way I see it.

492
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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you're rob.

493
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<v Speaker 5>Real quick basketball. I looked, did you watch a press

494
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<v Speaker 5>conference today with Kelsey?

495
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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

496
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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I don't know who it was that asked the

497
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<v Speaker 5>question about shooting percentages, but I thought it was a

498
00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:05.880
<v Speaker 5>real fair question. I thought he sort of blew him off,

499
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:07.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, and he said, well, we did pretty good,

500
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<v Speaker 5>didn't we. I think I think he's somewhat fearful to

501
00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:16.000
<v Speaker 5>talk about the shooting percentages because he doesn't wanted to

502
00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:21.079
<v Speaker 5>get in the guy's minds. I've looked it up. Only

503
00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:25.720
<v Speaker 5>two guys three pointing three point shooting percentages have increased

504
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:31.200
<v Speaker 5>since last year, and that's rain Smith and Hadley. Everybody

505
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:34.799
<v Speaker 5>else's is down and down in a big way. I mean,

506
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 5>Cason Pryor was down almost twenty percentage points. There's lots

507
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<v Speaker 5>of guys that are down eight, ten, twelve percentage points.

508
00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:46.759
<v Speaker 5>So I think he's fearful to talk about it, doesn't

509
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<v Speaker 5>want it in their head. And I thought it was

510
00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:52.519
<v Speaker 5>a legit question that he dodged, and he shouldn't have.

511
00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.400
<v Speaker 5>I wanted to hear his answer. He keeps saying that

512
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<v Speaker 5>we're a good shooting team and it may prove out,

513
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<v Speaker 5>but we're seven games in and we don't look like

514
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<v Speaker 5>a good shooting team. To me, I'm happy. Don't don't

515
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<v Speaker 5>get me wrong, I'm not. I'm not here beating him

516
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:10.599
<v Speaker 5>uppy was what he's done so far. But but you

517
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<v Speaker 5>cannot deny that we're we're not shooting the ball well

518
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<v Speaker 5>from the perimeter.

519
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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of them times, Jerry aren't great shots.

520
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<v Speaker 2>Like I know, everybody's got the green light light.

521
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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead. You had one more points?

522
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<v Speaker 1>You there?

523
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<v Speaker 5>Still yeah, I'm here, you still got me? Okay, one

524
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:33.920
<v Speaker 5>more thing. Last year, you and I had a little

525
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<v Speaker 5>disagreement about talent versus no talent on that team. So

526
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<v Speaker 5>I've been I've been tracking the guys and and I

527
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<v Speaker 5>think the jury's still out on you know, and I

528
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.279
<v Speaker 5>don't know if there'll be a I'm right, you're wrong,

529
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.599
<v Speaker 5>or you're right I'm wrong. I think at the end

530
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.920
<v Speaker 5>of the day, I think it's gonna be some somewhat gray.

531
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<v Speaker 5>But I wanted to read out something to you real

532
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<v Speaker 5>quick if I could. I looked up every guy. I

533
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<v Speaker 5>looked up every guy. I'm gonna give you their statue

534
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<v Speaker 5>of quick Curtis Williams one point three points, one point

535
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:08.079
<v Speaker 5>seven rebounds, Sky Clark four point nine points, two point

536
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:13.000
<v Speaker 5>run rebounds, two point seven assists, Trainer seven point nine

537
00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:16.480
<v Speaker 5>and five four, Trey White seven six and five four

538
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 5>Bradley Huntley Hatfield ten seven and six one, Tyler three

539
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.880
<v Speaker 5>point seven, one point seven, one point eight assist. He's

540
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:29.119
<v Speaker 5>only shooting twenty eight percent from the field. A Corps

541
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.720
<v Speaker 5>four one point eight and three point zero. Haleb Glenn

542
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.720
<v Speaker 5>thirteen point three, four point one. Dennis Evens has never played,

543
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:42.400
<v Speaker 5>Javanovich has never played. Percy Miller's playing at a real

544
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:45.319
<v Speaker 5>low level. He's averaging eight point three and two point eight.

545
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:50.519
<v Speaker 5>So were we talented? I don't know. Like I said,

546
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 5>I think the jury's still out, but I'm gonna track

547
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 5>that through the year. I think I think we got

548
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:59.839
<v Speaker 5>too much of a small sample size. But I said,

549
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<v Speaker 5>I think I think our argument somewhere in the middle

550
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.440
<v Speaker 5>right now, based on those numbers. You agree with.

551
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 2>That I do, and Jerry, I appreciate the call. I'll

552
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>say this real quickly, and I want to get to

553
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>the to the to the Pat Kelsey comment. But when

554
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 2>it comes to the talent argument, I would simply go

555
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:18.680
<v Speaker 2>out of my way, and I did. Jerry's right, Like

556
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 2>I would argue with people that like, this team has

557
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.240
<v Speaker 2>players that are capable. My argument was more so though,

558
00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:25.160
<v Speaker 2>about that there's no reason you should be as bad

559
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:27.720
<v Speaker 2>as you are, not because you have talent that's good

560
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>enough to like be anywhere.

561
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:31.359
<v Speaker 3>Close to what Louisville expects.

562
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.839
<v Speaker 2>But I will say this, you know, talent is all

563
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>in the eye of the beholder as far as what

564
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:38.160
<v Speaker 2>you how you view it, what you view as talent,

565
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.640
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. So, you know, I think Caleb

566
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Glenn's got a lot of ability. Now I don't know

567
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:44.400
<v Speaker 2>if he's great at one thing, but he's got a motor,

568
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>he's athletic, he's got good size.

569
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 3>You could use him.

570
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's playing and putting up good numbers at FAU,

571
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's where he's better, better suited. I think

572
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Johnson ended up at Louisville because of you know, well,

573
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.039
<v Speaker 2>I still will argue with anybody that kid can play.

574
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.759
<v Speaker 3>He's got talent. Now I don't know.

575
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's playing behind an All American caliber guy

576
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 2>in Hunter Salas there, so maybe that's part of the reason.

577
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:10.640
<v Speaker 2>But you know, you ended up he end up coming

578
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.319
<v Speaker 2>to Louisville to play for Kenny Payn because he didn't

579
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 2>have any other options. He nobody would take a risk

580
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:16.319
<v Speaker 2>on him because his eligibility was in question, and it

581
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't look good and then somehow it worked out. Curtis

582
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Williams Junior. Don't know why he's not playing at Georgetown.

583
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>So again, I still think that those guys were legitimately

584
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>ranked where they were ranked for you know, good reason.

585
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I just think last year's team, like the fact that

586
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>they were eight and what eight and twenty something. I mean,

587
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.920
<v Speaker 2>that's where I feel like, you know, there's just no

588
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 2>reason to have a record that bad when you have play.

589
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's probably not worth going down this hole

590
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.839
<v Speaker 2>because we need to move on. But Kinnny Payne lost

591
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 2>to Kentucky Westley when he only played four and five

592
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>star recruits in the game. I mean like that, So

593
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.359
<v Speaker 2>that's really where the talent thing came from my end.

594
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 2>It's like, there's no excuse to lose to that team

595
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>ever at Louisville. But you did it with guys that

596
00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.200
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of schools wanted. So you're right, there's

597
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 2>probably no no scenario where we're gonna get to who's

598
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.160
<v Speaker 2>right who's wrong. But I would say that Brandon Helly

599
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Hatfield would be really really perfect for this team. I

600
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 2>mean he just would because of how he plays, and

601
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 2>you don't have that big physical presence, and he really

602
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of came into his own and he's doing well

603
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.039
<v Speaker 2>in NC State. Not an elite guy, but he's doing well.

604
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'll get to his comment about the shooting

605
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.720
<v Speaker 2>percentages because actually what I'll do is I'll carry that

606
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:25.400
<v Speaker 2>over to the four o'clock hour when we talk basketball,

607
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 2>because I think, you know, I don't want to get

608
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 2>into as much pats exchange. We can play for you guys,

609
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>but you know, he built this team to be a

610
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.920
<v Speaker 2>shooting team, and he's not gonna tell them to stop

611
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.960
<v Speaker 2>shooting at this point. But the numbers prove that right

612
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>now they're not. I mean, there's a lot of different

613
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 2>ways you can look at how good a team is

614
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>at shooting the ball, but the percentage is the best

615
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 2>way to really, I mean, there's really no argument there.

616
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 2>That's numbers, it's facts, and they're not a great shooting team.

617
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 2>They've got the ability to get hot. They've got a

618
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>couple of guys rainsmiths specifically, they can light it up.

619
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>But other than that, I think these guys are dangerous

620
00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 2>enough from three to where they're going to be able

621
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.799
<v Speaker 2>to to fire it when they get a decent look.

622
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 2>But some of these guys are taking good looks. They're

623
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 2>they're just kind of yacking it up at times. And

624
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 2>that's I mean, hasn't killed him yet, but it's still

625
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>something I think they could improve at.

626
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:13.319
<v Speaker 3>But as far as we see that, I don't know.

627
00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go back in fall on five two, five, seven,

628
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<v Speaker 2>one seventy nine hundred is the number. Let's welcome in, Dave. Dave,

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<v Speaker 2>you're on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 6>What's happening, hey, Kentucky says that they beat us five

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<v Speaker 6>in a row. Well, one of those five wins was voided.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, remember that's truth.

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<v Speaker 6>Four foot down. So I'm tired of this crap about

634
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.759
<v Speaker 6>Kentucky beat US five in row. You know, Sadderfield never

635
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<v Speaker 6>could get a handle on the rivalry at for some reason.

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<v Speaker 6>And you're right, I mean Stoops is getting nine million

637
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.720
<v Speaker 6>a year because he beat Louisville. I mean, that's that's

638
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<v Speaker 6>the only reason.

639
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.359
<v Speaker 2>And he's beloved by his fans mostly I think because

640
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 2>he started beating Louisville. Like I know that he clearly

641
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>before losing, before he started beating Louisville in any way,

642
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>he did give the a little bit of life to

643
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:02.799
<v Speaker 2>where they were they were not. They were better than

644
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>they were in the Joker era. They were probably a

645
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<v Speaker 2>little bit better than they were with Brooks. But what

646
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<v Speaker 2>really I think gave their fan base this, this you know,

647
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.759
<v Speaker 2>this view of themselves that really wasn't realistic at all,

648
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>like they're in their own world, was that they started

649
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<v Speaker 2>beating up on Louisville and I just, you know, it's

650
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<v Speaker 2>hard for me to to to you know, to dunk

651
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<v Speaker 2>on them whenever they would beat us. But I think

652
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>now that they don't have the cup, and they realize,

653
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<v Speaker 2>if they're being honest with themselves, Jeff Bram's got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of momentum and it's gonna be hard to beat

655
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<v Speaker 2>him consistently, Like you know, you can't do it like

656
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<v Speaker 2>you did against Sadderfield. I just think that's why there's

657
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>they want something new, because they know that the best

658
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<v Speaker 2>football from Stoops is probably in the rear view, not

659
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<v Speaker 2>in the future.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Well, I read where bread Brad White might be

661
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<v Speaker 6>leaving for Florida State, and I don't know if that's right.

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00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's wait.

663
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<v Speaker 2>That actually was rumored before the season finale, that that

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<v Speaker 2>he could he could end up being there, and obviously

665
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<v Speaker 2>that would be. I mean, they had a terrible year,

666
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<v Speaker 2>but obviously that would be a better gig for him

667
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 2>and a better chance, especially if they end up making

668
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 2>a big comeback next year and they really bounce back

669
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<v Speaker 2>in a really good and the defense as a factor,

670
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 2>that'll give him a better look. Bradwhy wants to be

671
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<v Speaker 2>a head coach right now? His best chance to get

672
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<v Speaker 2>a good job would be to go to Florida State,

673
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.440
<v Speaker 2>revive their defense, and get a job from there. At Kentucky,

674
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>he probably realizes, hey, we're not going to be very good,

675
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 2>at least not right now. Therefore, if I stick around

676
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<v Speaker 2>here and use Kentucky's DC job to potentially get a

677
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<v Speaker 2>head coaching job, it may never happen.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Florida State, boy, they are really down. I mean they

681
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<v Speaker 6>were two and ten this year, and I don't know

682
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<v Speaker 6>if Norville can turn them around to the point where

683
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<v Speaker 6>he can satisfy their fans, because I thought he'd be

684
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.759
<v Speaker 6>gone after this year, you know, based on what he

685
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 6>did this year.

686
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<v Speaker 2>Yep, no doubt, David. I appreciate the call Florida State

687
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the most disappointing team in college football this year, not

688
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>even close, and that's why you see a staff change.

689
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he didn't have a choice for him to

690
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.799
<v Speaker 2>salvage his situation. I mean, they didn't have the money

691
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>to fire him, but for him to salvage the situation

692
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>with his fans, he had to go. Mean because Norvell

693
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 2>did enough in two years to where he does kind

694
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<v Speaker 2>of get a mulligan. But also though they were so bad,

695
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.440
<v Speaker 2>like they were the worst team in the country offensively

696
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>this year when it comes to power programs, I mean

697
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.920
<v Speaker 2>it went even close. So that's why you see Gus

698
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Melzon walk away from the head coaching job at Central

699
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Florida to go call plays at Florida State, and you're

700
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 2>gonna see him go after a decordinator. And I wouldn't

701
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>be shocked if Brad White doesn't end up getting that job.

702
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't be shocked if he does. But like it's just

703
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's probably a defensive coordinator that has been

704
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<v Speaker 2>successful elsewhere that might be just as attractive to Florida

705
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 2>State as Brad White. So yeah, I mean Florida State,

706
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<v Speaker 2>I mean it really is. I think the biggest surprise

707
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 2>team as far as being good was Indiana. The biggest

708
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 2>surprise as far as the team that was terrible was

709
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Florida State. But I actually think when it comes to

710
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<v Speaker 2>just like, wait a second, how the hell did that happen?

711
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<v Speaker 2>And I actually think it's more of a surprise at

712
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>how bad Florida State was. I don't know, it still

713
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem real when I see Indiana be able to

714
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:09.839
<v Speaker 2>lose a game and still be in the playoff, Like

715
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 2>that's something that still doesn't seem real, to be honest

716
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<v Speaker 2>with you, all Right, we got to get to a break.

717
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<v Speaker 2>We'll keep this party rolling along. We will talk some

718
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 2>hoops coming up here at at four o'clock because I

719
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>haven't really had a chance to kind of fully share

720
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 2>my thoughts on everything that came with the Battle for

721
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Atlantis experience. Still a positive situation, no doubt, but man,

722
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>they got a lot more tough games ahead here in

723
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 2>the next couple of weeks. And without Case and Pryor,

724
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean that changes things. Pat Kelsey acknowledged that today

725
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 2>that without him it does kind of change the complexion

726
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 2>of this team. I mean, he's gonna he's gonna give

727
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>you the old next man up line, and I think

728
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<v Speaker 2>it's legit. I think he's given I mean Kahannie Russ

729
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 2>is going to be tasked with a lot more minutes

730
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<v Speaker 2>and a lot more opportunity. But I felt like it

731
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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really anything Pat said today. It was kind of

732
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<v Speaker 2>how he said it. I think more than Anything's just

733
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<v Speaker 2>really sad for his team and for Caseon to be

734
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<v Speaker 2>on the shelf the rest of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>But part of me won, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think he realizes, yeah, this changes us,

737
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<v Speaker 2>which you know isn't good. All right, quick break, don't

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<v Speaker 2>So real quick, what a week it was for rivalries

767
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>in college football, and I'm here for every bit of

768
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.079
<v Speaker 2>it like today, And I said this earlier this morning

769
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<v Speaker 2>when I was on the ksrpre show with Billy that

770
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 2>the rivalry stuff with pepper spray people trying to plant

771
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 2>flags and Austin will appreciate this. It had like a

772
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>hint of WWE with it, and it made it better.

773
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Like this is entertainment, man.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we shouldn't be wanting to see people get

775
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.119
<v Speaker 2>pepper sprayed or fights or anything like that, but come on,

776
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.280
<v Speaker 2>we're watching this to be entertained. I mean, that's what

777
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 2>it is. And I'm sure if you're a fan of

778
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 2>a program and you want your guys to be respectful

779
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<v Speaker 2>and have a lot of class and sportsmanship, like I

780
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<v Speaker 2>get it. I shouldn't mock you because that's not a

781
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<v Speaker 2>crazy thought to have. But I don't know as as

782
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody without really a dog in the fight when it

783
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.800
<v Speaker 2>comes to these rivalry games. You know, I didn't really

784
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 2>have any rooting interest for any any rivalry matchup, to

785
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 2>be honest with you. But seeing everything play out the

786
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 2>way it did with these fights that took place between

787
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<v Speaker 2>n C State and North Carolina. Obviously the Ohio State

788
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Michigan situation, that was crazy with the pepper spray and

789
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 2>all that.

790
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 4>So what about the did you see the Arizona and

791
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 4>Arizona State the mascots?

792
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and that was that real? I don't I

793
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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

794
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 4>I mean they look like they were throwing, but that

795
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<v Speaker 4>could have probably been, you know, two mascots just kind

796
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<v Speaker 4>of I.

797
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Saw it in kind of you know, I got a

798
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I got a little amusement out of it, and then

799
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 2>I just kept scrolling because I kind of didn't want

800
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 2>to watch it and feel like it was fake, you know.

801
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 3>What I mean, because I wanted it to be real

802
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 3>to suspend your disbelief. Yeah, so, uh look it was.

803
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what made it to where like it wasn't playful,

804
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:17.239
<v Speaker 2>like maybe they knew they were going to do it

805
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>because they're wearing a mascot suit and they probably won't

806
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.239
<v Speaker 2>get hurt, but they really wanted to make it look

807
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 2>real because it did, you know, got a lot of attention.

808
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.400
<v Speaker 2>But you're right, like it wasn't There wasn't any like

809
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.840
<v Speaker 2>little soft punches thrown like it was. I think it

810
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<v Speaker 2>might have been. Was it was it the Wildcat of Arizona.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like he was Gilber Wildcat. Yeah, he was

812
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<v Speaker 3>getting aggressive.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well I.

814
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<v Speaker 4>Could tell you just from a person that lived there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

816
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<v Speaker 6>They do.

817
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 4>They they absolutely Arizona State and Arizona do not like

818
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<v Speaker 4>each other.

819
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<v Speaker 3>That's where it should be. That's what rivalries are.

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<v Speaker 2>Man bad Blood now Ryan Day losing to Michigan. I mean,

821
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<v Speaker 2>I know they've still got a spot in the playoff

822
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 2>it looks like, but I mean, I don't think that

823
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<v Speaker 2>as of now, things could have played out worse for him,

824
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<v Speaker 2>because you know, they beat all the teams they're supposed

825
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to be but they didn't beat Oregon in Oregon's first

826
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>year in the Big Ten. And Oregon is the only

827
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 2>undefeated team left as far as you know, fighting for

828
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>a playoff spot, and they have one there. I mean,

829
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<v Speaker 2>they're undefeated, they're the number one team in the country.

830
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<v Speaker 2>But like Ohio State was there, could have won and didn't.

831
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<v Speaker 2>Not a bad loss by any means, but at Ohio State,

832
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<v Speaker 2>it's the level of programming college football. There really isn't

833
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<v Speaker 2>a loss where you sit back and say, huh, what

834
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<v Speaker 2>are you gonna do? We played such and such like

835
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<v Speaker 2>you're Ohio State and now this is an example of

836
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:44.679
<v Speaker 2>where nil you can play it to get you know,

837
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<v Speaker 2>to give yourself maybe you know, benefit of the data.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, there are there are coaches out there who stink,

839
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.280
<v Speaker 2>and they stink because they're not good coaches, but also

840
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>because they don't have any resources within il. So what

841
00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 2>they can do is like they can, they can have

842
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 2>short and basically say like what do you want me

843
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to do? We got to pay to get players now,

844
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 2>because like it gives them an out, like okay, well yeah,

845
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess it is going to be hard for Jim

846
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Mora to win at Yukon because it's Yukon football.

847
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:10.559
<v Speaker 3>They're not even in a conference.

848
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>But also when it's public that you got the bags

849
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.320
<v Speaker 2>and you're giving them out in a way nobody else is,

850
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 2>and you come up short like you are on front

851
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Street as an underperformer, and like there's really no excuse

852
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.159
<v Speaker 2>for it. Now, Michigan this year being bad and not

853
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>being anywhere close to what they were in the previous

854
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>three four years. I mean again, that's why I think

855
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>it played out maybe as bad as it possibly could

856
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:39.679
<v Speaker 2>for Ryan Day and now again, maybe they go to

857
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 2>the playoff and they win it all.

858
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 3>I doubt it.

859
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>But they had the most expensive roster in college football.

860
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 2>He makes a ton of money. They went out and

861
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>hired Chip Kelly to call the plays. You had previous

862
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State coaches like urban Meyer even Tressel doing interviews

863
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>throughout the season or maybe before the season saying that

864
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>they have never seen a collection of talent like they've

865
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:00.760
<v Speaker 2>seen on this Ohio State roster and.

866
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:01.280
<v Speaker 3>They are bad.

867
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>They're going to the playoff, but it's Ohio State, and

868
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>everybody knew that, like this was the year to bounce

869
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 2>back from last year. And they lose to Michigan again

870
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 2>in a year where like that was the year to

871
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:11.119
<v Speaker 2>beat him.

872
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Like Louisville.

873
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>The nerves and the anxiousness that I had and really

874
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.760
<v Speaker 2>just you know, kind of going insane like a psychopath.

875
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Whenever Louisville wasn't up forty at halftime, it's because I

876
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 2>just knew, look, if we can't beat him, now, good god.

877
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 2>And that's what it was for Ohio State this year,

878
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 2>and they still lost at home. Like I mean, I

879
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 2>get it if you're Ohio State, because you have expectations,

880
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>like you've for the most part always probably lived as

881
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 2>an Ohio State fan and your program was elite, and

882
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>now you've fallen down. And if they lost to Michigan

883
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 2>this year, Michigan was like ranked right next to him,

884
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.760
<v Speaker 2>it's still would have been painful. But this is a

885
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 2>team that went what I guess, they go seven and

886
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 2>five with that win. Like Sean Moore, he's gotta be

887
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 2>a really good next year he's out, I would say,

888
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 2>m hm. So I mean and another fan base that like,

889
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really like, do you know what, hey, Miami

890
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.760
<v Speaker 2>fans like legitimately like people who are like, man, they're

891
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:04.960
<v Speaker 2>they're they're living and dying by what the Canes do.

892
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:05.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't either.

893
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 4>So I know one person I used to work at

894
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.159
<v Speaker 4>ups with, ye was he legit jit or benwe He

895
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 4>was because he liked all the other Miami teams to

896
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.360
<v Speaker 4>be as a Dolphins fan and Heat fan and all that.

897
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that makes sense well, because I actually think

898
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 2>you could make the case that, like they had a

899
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>year where they could have I mean, them losing to Syracuse.

900
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Credit to fran Brown and his guys for having his

901
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>team up and doing what they needed to do to

902
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 2>get Clemson in the a SEC Championship game. But Miami,

903
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they lost that game and it removed them

904
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>from the playoff, and now they have a they have

905
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 2>a good year for like what they've done. I mean,

906
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 2>this is probably the first time they've won ten regular

907
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 2>season games in a long long time, but they didn't

908
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:48.000
<v Speaker 2>accomplish anything. And I think now when you're right there

909
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 2>and all you got to do is kind of not

910
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.719
<v Speaker 2>screw up in the last couple of games to find

911
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>yourself in the playoff. And when I say not screw up,

912
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean like, for example, Indiana went played Ohio State,

913
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Like that's not not screwing up, right, that's the loss

914
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Speaker 2>that you're like you're walking into. You just hope to

915
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.960
<v Speaker 2>be more competitive. All Miami had to do is go

916
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 2>beat Syracuse, who you know is a fine team, but like,

917
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, you were supposed to win that game and

918
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you screwed up. So like I think Miami probably is

919
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.199
<v Speaker 2>feeling maybe not as bad as Ohio State fans because

920
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:16.519
<v Speaker 2>in Ohio State still has a chance to win the

921
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>national championship, but like Miami craped the bed and there's

922
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 2>not a whole lot of talk about it because it's Miami,

923
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and yes they are a brand, but like even their

924
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 2>home games aren't well attended, like they don't have I mean,

925
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 2>they're a national school because of what they did like

926
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>long long ago, And I guess there's some transplants spread out,

927
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Like a lot of the Miami fans that were at

928
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.519
<v Speaker 2>the Louisville Miami game this year, I think they were

929
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky fans dressed in Miami gear or they never really

930
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 2>had a team, so they were just like, yeah, the

931
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 2>you they're cool because there was a what was a

932
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 2>time where Miami had the cool factor probably like no

933
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.920
<v Speaker 2>other school. Yeah, but like that's that's kind of faded.

934
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.679
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I don't feel as bad about the

935
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Stanford loss knowing that like other teams kind of did

936
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 2>the same thing.

937
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 3>It's still something I don't want to revisit.

938
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to think about, because man, that was

939
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 2>brutal because I think you would have been right there

940
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:01.599
<v Speaker 2>with the potential path to get in if you didn't

941
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 2>lose to Stanford. And here I am about to block

942
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>out just thinking about it. But you know, other teams

943
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.360
<v Speaker 2>did it too, And I still think Louisville football and

944
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I'll rap here, we got to get to our break,

945
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:12.159
<v Speaker 2>and we got two more hours to go, and I

946
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>certainly want to talk some basketball with you guys.

947
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Speaker 3>But eight and four, he had.

948
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Knocked off Clemson for the first time ever at their play,

949
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>still a win that has value, and you also into

950
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>the street to Kentucky, and the three teams you lost

951
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>to all ended up being good teams. You had the

952
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 2>one head scratcher of a loss, which unfortunately has been

953
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 2>there forever. I feel like with Louisville football, so again,

954
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 2>could have been better. But I still think you've got

955
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 2>momentum heading into year three with Jeff Brown, especially if

956
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.679
<v Speaker 2>you can keep some of these guys here, because man,

957
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the future's bright, especially with those young running backs. All right,

958
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 2>quick break, we've got the four o'clock hour coming up

959
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>next right here, it is Coffee and Company, fueled by

960
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Thornton's I'm Nick Coffee ees to Montgomery alongside taking you

961
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 2>up till six o'clock right here on Sports Talk seven

962
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