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Speaker 3: All right? Where do we start? That's a legitimate question.
Speaker 2: I haven't been on the airwaves here for this show
Speaker 2: in a while, and a lot has happened since what
Speaker 2: was it last Wednesday? A lot is transpired, and we're
Speaker 2: going to discuss that over these next three hours. So
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Speaker 2: today producing this afternoon, and I genuinely don't really know
Speaker 2: where we should start, Like what makes the most sense
Speaker 2: as far as where we start?
Speaker 4: Well, first off, how about how was your Thanksgiving? Everything
Speaker 4: all right with the family, everything go well.
Speaker 3: I was great.
Speaker 2: Couldn't have been better, although it didn't really feel like Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: but that's not a complaint. Like I love Thanksgiving. I
Speaker 2: got to spend time with family, my wife. We took
Speaker 2: the two kids to Churchill Downs. That's kind of become
Speaker 2: our early part of the early part of the day
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving tradition that we've started. I think now, I think
Speaker 2: just about every year since we've had children, rather just
Speaker 2: be Maya or Moose, we've we've made it to Churchill
Speaker 2: and it's kind of what we do. And then we
Speaker 2: go to my mom's and have a good time. But
Speaker 2: when I think of Thanksgiving, I think of that that
Speaker 2: game against against West Virginia, where like I was, I mean,
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot what those games do to me
Speaker 2: it comes to basketball. I forgot what that experience was like.
Speaker 2: You know, Wednesday, I forgot how awesome it was to
Speaker 2: see your team just blow somebody off the floor that
Speaker 2: you know was a top fifteen team and look really
Speaker 2: good doing it. And the next day, you know, I
Speaker 2: was reminded what it's like whenever they're in a close
Speaker 2: game and it just feels like you know you're about
Speaker 2: to have a heart attack. So Thanksgiving was great, but
Speaker 2: in an awful way. I mean, it's just me being
Speaker 2: honest here. Maybe you guys don't think it's awful. Maybe
Speaker 2: you understand, maybe you can relate. Like had they lost
Speaker 2: that West Virginia game, like I think Thanksgiving would have
Speaker 2: been a terrible.
Speaker 3: Day for me, which it should cancel.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be that way, but it just is because
Speaker 2: we're crazy about this stuff, right m.
Speaker 4: And yeah, no it Thanksgiving would have been canceled.
Speaker 3: Like moving forward like no more, like we get like
Speaker 3: two years off.
Speaker 4: Christmas might have been canceled if they lost to UK too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, man, I think I don't know if I'd
Speaker 2: be here if that happened.
Speaker 3: That's just one truth. I don't know if I would
Speaker 3: be here if that happened.
Speaker 2: I mean I would be, but you know, like I
Speaker 2: can't imagine where I would be mentally. And that's sad
Speaker 2: to say, but man, it's the truth. I'm just being
Speaker 2: honest with you. Man, this stuff makes me crazy and
Speaker 2: Lowell basketball just because of the recent years and whatnot.
Speaker 2: That's why, you know, the excitement level for the Indiana
Speaker 2: blowout was through the roof. Same thing for the West
Speaker 2: Virginia game, but you know, it was also very nerve wracking.
Speaker 2: You blew Indian out, so like it makes me feel
Speaker 2: alive now the Kentucky game. No matter what, regardless of
Speaker 2: the circumstance and situation, I'm just a lunatic during those
Speaker 2: games the day of beforehand. I mean, it's just like
Speaker 2: such a and it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
Speaker 2: And I also kind of in a sick and twisted way.
Speaker 2: I kind of wouldn't have it any other way. So anyways,
Speaker 2: we'll get to basketball. I'm still choosing to view the
Speaker 2: Battle for Atlantis as a major positive for Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: and his team, but looking at a really tough stretch
Speaker 2: of games that you still have left on the schedule,
Speaker 2: not just this season, but you know, like in the
Speaker 2: next week and a half two weeks, including one tomorrow
Speaker 2: night against o Ole Miss, I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: the Oklahoma win isn't going to be viewed as a
Speaker 2: bad one, but it was right there for you to
Speaker 2: get and I just hope it isn't one that comes
Speaker 2: back to bite you when it comes to selection Sunday.
Speaker 2: That's very far away, but that's a game that you
Speaker 2: lost to a good team and there's really nobody that
Speaker 2: should feel like, man, how to be lose to them?
Speaker 3: They stink.
Speaker 2: But you know, a play here and there, especially down
Speaker 2: the stretch, like you could have won and there would
Speaker 2: have been a lot of value there. Now you also
Speaker 2: lost caseon Pryor for the season, which absolutely sucks. That
Speaker 2: news came out earlier today and it didn't look good
Speaker 2: when he went out, and it didn't look good when
Speaker 2: he came back onto the bench and a wheelchair, and
Speaker 2: I think his face kind of said it all. They
Speaker 2: had an MRI I think yesterday or today, and they
Speaker 2: released the news before Pat Kelsey's press conference. The case
Speaker 2: in Pryor is going to miss the rest of the season, which, again,
Speaker 2: it sucks. Now I'm not as down on the rest
Speaker 2: of this season as others. I think Cason is a
Speaker 2: good player. There's really not a lot. Well, I'll save
Speaker 2: it because I have a the best case scenario as
Speaker 2: far as like how you can maybe not get better
Speaker 2: from this because you lost one of your more talented
Speaker 2: players on the roster. But I do think you can
Speaker 2: now expect to see Pat Kelcey mix some things up
Speaker 2: a little bit and that could lead to you having,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe.
Speaker 3: More of a of a.
Speaker 2: Dangerous lineup at certain times, depending on you know, who emerges. Now,
Speaker 2: there's also a side that's just like, hey, you're now
Speaker 2: down three scholarship players that we're all expected to have
Speaker 2: big roles because Cason's out for the year. Doesn't sound good.
Speaker 2: With korn Johnson, I mean, he's going to get a
Speaker 2: second opinion, I guess, see a second specialist when it
Speaker 2: comes to his shoulder, which probably means that and this
Speaker 2: is just a guess. I shouldn't even speculate, but usually
Speaker 2: when you hear that they're gonna go get a second opinion,
Speaker 2: it's because they didn't like the opinion of the first specialist.
Speaker 2: My guess is that he's probably been told that he
Speaker 2: needs a procedure, some kind of surgery, and maybe he's
Speaker 2: gonna get a second opinion to see if they think
Speaker 2: he could play through it. I'm just guessing, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like they've really gotten any indication he's going
Speaker 2: to be back anytime soon. And then obviously with tre Ore,
Speaker 2: a guy that is really valuable.
Speaker 3: But I think you.
Speaker 2: You could see that you know you can get it,
Speaker 2: You can get by without him because He's not going
Speaker 2: to be a guy that scores a lot of points
Speaker 2: for you, but he does make you better defensively. He's
Speaker 2: a better athlete, and he's a good rebounder. So any
Speaker 2: of those guys back would be would be huge. But
Speaker 2: obviously prior we know will not happen this year, So
Speaker 2: we'll talk to some hoops of course. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: got a lot of really good games this week and
Speaker 2: as I mentioned a moment ago, Ole Miss tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: nine o'clock, and it's the acc SEC Challenge, big opportunity
Speaker 2: for Louisville, and you win that one. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know how you would you'd be able. I mean again,
Speaker 2: it's and it's tough to to really even know what
Speaker 2: to expect because you're now going to play for the
Speaker 2: first time a full game without case In Pryor. But
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's an opportunity to get a big
Speaker 2: time win for your resume. Speaking of your resume, we
Speaker 2: got the first edition of the net rankings this year
Speaker 2: for college basketball. What'salk about where Louisville came in before
Speaker 2: too long. But let's get to the best result of
Speaker 2: the weekend. That's the Governor's cup order has been restored
Speaker 2: when it comes to the gridiron in this state, as
Speaker 2: Jeff Brohm and the Cards reclaim the Governor's Cup, bringing
Speaker 2: it back to where it belongs. And I said, it's
Speaker 2: the best part of the weekend. But it was really
Speaker 2: more of a relief than it was anything else. And
Speaker 2: I was a madman in the first half because to
Speaker 2: only be up twenty to nothing, it felt very, very
Speaker 2: scary and dangerous, like how did this happen? How did
Speaker 2: you not give yourself enough cushion here? You've been beating
Speaker 2: their brains in, They've been awful in every way, yet
Speaker 2: you don't have a bigger lead, Like this is nightmare
Speaker 2: scenario kind of And then sure enough they score and
Speaker 2: it's seven to twenty.
Speaker 3: And the fact that at that point it.
Speaker 2: Was a two score game where if they scored two
Speaker 2: touchdowns winning, like it just felt like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is going to play out in the worst way possible.
Speaker 2: But then Louisville, of course, just continued to I mean,
Speaker 2: just run it down their throat and take advantage of
Speaker 2: how bad Kentucky was. I'm not doing the rivalry thing here,
Speaker 2: I mean I am, but I think you could have
Speaker 2: no clue about this even being a rivalry, and you
Speaker 2: could just be watching that game, which I don't know
Speaker 2: why you would. It was not a great game to watch.
Speaker 2: It was a blowout, but you would think Kentucky's the
Speaker 2: worst team in the country, and they really, I guess,
Speaker 2: aren't far from it. They were one and seven in
Speaker 2: the SEC. They didn't beat anybody on their schedule this
Speaker 2: year at home that they didn't pay to come in
Speaker 2: and bend over. The bye games is all they won.
Speaker 2: And they finished fifteenth out of sixteen teams in the SEC.
Speaker 2: So like they are bad. Trust me, it's not like,
Speaker 2: oh Wow, who knew Kentucky was going to be bad?
Speaker 2: But like they I think you could make the case.
Speaker 2: And this is actually I'm not trying to take credit
Speaker 2: away from Louisville, just my observation here. I think you
Speaker 2: can look at how bad Canentucky was and really not
Speaker 2: feel like it had a whole lot to do with Louisville. Now,
Speaker 2: Louisville running it down their throat. I mean, those two
Speaker 2: freshmen running backs, I mean, those guys are special.
Speaker 3: Saved.
Speaker 2: Your Chris ask for Christmas money this year is your gift?
Speaker 2: Just asked for cash? You could donate it directly to
Speaker 2: Duke Watson and Isaac Brown because we got to do
Speaker 2: whatever we can to keep these guys here. Those guys
Speaker 2: are special, So like, those guys are talented. But like,
Speaker 2: listen to this. The worst game statistically for Tyler Shuck
Speaker 2: in his twelve game career at Louisville and Jacorey Brooks
Speaker 2: didn't catch pass and you still beat him forty one
Speaker 2: to fourteen, and it really could have been a lot,
Speaker 2: or she could have scored sixty. So me, Kentucky just
Speaker 2: completely laid down. And I mean, I'm happy that that happened.
Speaker 2: But they were so bad this year. They didn't have
Speaker 2: I mean, they hate their coach to where you really
Speaker 2: weren't gonna have, Like there wasn't gonna be a whole
Speaker 2: lot of eating crow, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: if you were going to try to pull receipts, which
Speaker 2: I do at times and I did yesterday.
Speaker 3: Enjoyed doing that.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna do that, it'd be a little
Speaker 2: bit more enjoyable on your end. If it's like recent,
Speaker 2: if it's before the game you got to dig back to,
Speaker 2: like after they beat Old Miss to find Kentucky fans
Speaker 2: talking smack about football because their season really fell apart
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 3: And they hate their coach.
Speaker 2: Maybe not overall, because he did change a lot about
Speaker 2: Kentucky football, but man, they hate him now. They hate
Speaker 2: Mark Stoops in twenty twenty four going into twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five and want him to desperately leave.
Speaker 3: So it was great. It was just a relief to
Speaker 3: get it over with, to have the Cup back here.
Speaker 2: And here's still hoping that it stays on this side
Speaker 2: of the state for a long long time. And I
Speaker 2: really have no reason to think that it won't. And
Speaker 2: that's where Kentucky fans are really really stuck, because they
Speaker 2: can give you the well, hey, it's congratulations, should beat
Speaker 2: a terrible Kentucky team. You won one in six years.
Speaker 2: Was that a good Kentucky voice? I feel like I
Speaker 2: could have done better there, Austin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't have a lot of twang to that,
Speaker 4: you know, I had a lot Maybe that was like
Speaker 4: a Louisville area Kentucky fans.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have as that Eastern Kentucky twang, you know,
Speaker 2: like they give you the well, congratulations, you beat a
Speaker 2: really bad Kentucky team, and about time you won which
Speaker 2: is you know, that's playful, that's fine, but like you
Speaker 2: could easily just shut him up when you say yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know that it's not getting any better for you,
Speaker 2: Like you know that you want your coach gone. You're
Speaker 2: worried that things are going to really fall off the
Speaker 2: rails because he's staying. What makes you think you're going
Speaker 2: to be able to reclaim the cup and keep it
Speaker 2: in your I mean, you know, anything can happen, tucky,
Speaker 2: maybe good next I have no clue, but like obviously
Speaker 2: things don't look great right now. Like Mark stoops the
Speaker 2: scenario where he puts together a great roster and they're
Speaker 2: really good next year, I just don't really see how
Speaker 2: that happens, just given the momentum and given the way
Speaker 2: Mark stoops, I mean, I think he's one of those
Speaker 2: guys that has done a good enough job embracing an il,
Speaker 2: but man, he's hit he hit his limit and started
Speaker 2: talking about how much he hates it, And I mean
Speaker 2: he's been pretty dejected throughout throughout the year, even before
Speaker 2: the season started, until I don't know about a couple
Speaker 2: weeks ago he found out that they wanted him gone,
Speaker 2: and I think he took great satisfaction going to the
Speaker 2: press conference on Saturday after losing forty one to fourteen
Speaker 2: to the rival. He loved being able to say, I
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of you that want me gone,
Speaker 2: but you're gonna be upset because I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm going back to work tomorrow. And I'm paraphrasing to
Speaker 2: an extent. I think that's pretty close to what he said.
Speaker 2: But that's a strategic comment to make when you say
Speaker 2: whenever you talk about fans being frustrated, like, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's out of line, but that kind of tells
Speaker 2: you where he is, Like he's kind of dunking on y'all. Right,
Speaker 2: I know y'all want me gone, but just rest assured
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at work tomorrow. Like that's him, like, hey,
Speaker 2: eat it, I'm still here. And it's just an unhealthy
Speaker 2: relationship right now. It seems like when it comes to
Speaker 2: Mark Stoops and the Kentucky fan base, and look, maybe
Speaker 2: they do come back next year and they're really good,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't there's not a lot of momentum right
Speaker 2: now that is going to happen, especially considering they're losing
Speaker 2: coaches or they're going to lose a coach, maybe two coaches,
Speaker 2: and they're and I'm not talking about Vince Marrow, which
Speaker 2: I'll get to that later.
Speaker 3: That was nonsense. That whole thing was just nonsense.
Speaker 2: But anyways, they're gonna lose Brad White, and they've got
Speaker 2: players hitting the portal, they've got commits decommitting and flipping
Speaker 2: to other schools. Doesn't mean they can't find some magic
Speaker 2: in the portal or whatever. But Kentucky fans, I mean,
Speaker 2: you can't have it both ways. You can't talk about
Speaker 2: how bummed you are that your coach won't leave and
Speaker 2: that you want so badly for John Schlarman to take
Speaker 2: the job, knowing that it's not going to open up.
Speaker 2: North Carolina's coming after him, West Virginia is gonna come
Speaker 2: after him. He's going to be in the mix there. Schlarman,
Speaker 2: of course at Tulane and he played for those that
Speaker 2: are He played at UK and coached at UK and
Speaker 2: had a really good run at Troy and then did
Speaker 2: a good job at Tulane. And now he's going to
Speaker 2: be on the mark. He's going to be a candidate
Speaker 2: for these other power jobs. And you know, with Purdue
Speaker 2: opening up as well as Carolina and West Virginia. I mean,
Speaker 2: you saw the desperation from Kentucky fans wanting those schools
Speaker 2: to be interested in their coach, right, like a power
Speaker 2: program that might be interested in Stoops, but they know
Speaker 2: deep down that he's not an attractive candidate. So like
Speaker 2: it's hard for you to respond. I mean, you can
Speaker 2: respond however you want, but like, I know you don't
Speaker 2: believe that your football program is going to be good
Speaker 2: under Mark Stoops. Now you may be wrong, maybe they are,
Speaker 2: but like I know you don't believe that right now,
Speaker 2: So how can you tell me that, like the Cup's
Speaker 2: gonna come back to Lexington anytime soon? I mean, this
Speaker 2: day and age, we don't have a clue what either
Speaker 2: roster's going to look like next year because we're getting
Speaker 2: to the point where it's gonna be insanely difficult to
Speaker 2: keep up with. You've already got players for Louisville entering
Speaker 2: the portal. I'm sure the same thing for Kentucky, and
Speaker 2: I'll try my best to keep up with it and
Speaker 2: of course update you guys with this platform here on
Speaker 2: this show, But like it's hard to keep up with,
Speaker 2: So I mean, Mark Stoop's a good coach, no doubt,
Speaker 2: But you only say that because he wanted Kentucky at
Speaker 2: a level that like nobody else ever could. And I
Speaker 2: think that says a lot about him as a coach
Speaker 2: and a lot about their program. That Mark Steops, by
Speaker 2: the way, is widely respected in the college football world.
Speaker 2: It's not uncommon to see people and you probably wouldn't
Speaker 2: see it now because of the recency here, but you know,
Speaker 2: for years you'd see him listed as one of the
Speaker 2: top twenty coaches in the country. Mean, he's one of
Speaker 2: the top ten paid coaches in the country right now.
Speaker 2: But there's really nothing he's done, not an accomplishment, not
Speaker 2: a big I mean, it's just that he's won more
Speaker 2: than anybody else else has at Kentucky and they remove
Speaker 2: themselves from the bottom level of power football during his
Speaker 2: time there, and that again is viewed as wow. I mean,
Speaker 2: nobody's ever won in Kentucky like this. But you're not
Speaker 2: claiming like nobody's ever won a champion national championship of Kentucky.
Speaker 2: You're just saying, like nobody's ever made them not suck
Speaker 2: consistently like Mark Stoops has. So why Mitch Barnhardt felt
Speaker 2: like he needed to give Mark Stoops the contract that
Speaker 2: he gave him. No, I mean, the Caliperry lifetime contract
Speaker 2: was insane, and you got lucky. Cali Perry did you
Speaker 2: a favor, which sounds like he's not happy that he
Speaker 2: did that now, but he did you a favor. He
Speaker 2: walked or you didn't have to pay any money, and
Speaker 2: he found a landing spot. Arkansas was willing to pay
Speaker 2: him a lot of money. Nobody's doing that with Mark Stoops.
Speaker 3: Your kid many marks.
Speaker 2: It was the tenth highest paid one of the I
Speaker 2: think he's like number eight and number nine when it
Speaker 2: comes to the highest paid coaches in college football. Mark
Speaker 2: Stoops is not walking away from nine million a year,
Speaker 2: which is generational wealth. Really every season he coaches, and
Speaker 2: he knows that he wouldn't get seventy to sixty to
Speaker 2: seventy percent of that salary elsewhere if he gets another job.
Speaker 2: So like, he may hate it there, but he'll deal
Speaker 2: with some knuckleheads online complaining if it's if it comes
Speaker 2: down to, like, hm, should I keep coaching and make
Speaker 2: nine million a year to where I could be terrible
Speaker 2: and we could He didn't have a worse season than
Speaker 2: we did this past year, and they'd have to fire
Speaker 2: me and pay me or should I just walk away?
Speaker 2: Because you know, Billy in Pikeville's upset, and he called
Speaker 2: the Coaches show crime like, you know, like it's I mean,
Speaker 2: and I don't mean to pile on. I mean I
Speaker 2: kind of do, but I was really blown away. And
Speaker 2: if you listen to the show somewhat consistently, I know
Speaker 2: you heard me mention this at least once. It was
Speaker 2: it was insane. The Kentucky fans were just acting like
Speaker 2: he's going to ride off into the sunset and just
Speaker 2: walk away because you guys got frustrated, Like what world
Speaker 2: are you living in? Who walks away from nine million
Speaker 2: dollars a year? Nobody like and they just assume, well,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, he's he's really not happy. He really
Speaker 2: is having a tough time, you know which, by the way,
Speaker 2: he did say that he was, you know, I can't
Speaker 2: think of the exact way he described it, but I
Speaker 2: mean before the season and during the season, he talked
Speaker 2: about how it's not sustainable doing what he's doing, raising
Speaker 2: money and making sure players are gonna get in il
Speaker 2: taken care of and all that like his compleat didn't
Speaker 2: mean he was gonna walk away, because he could be
Speaker 2: probably three times more frustrated, and you know, I guess
Speaker 2: bitter towards the fan base who doesn't appreciate him the
Speaker 2: way he probably feels like he should be appreciated. You
Speaker 2: could take all the feeling he has now and times
Speaker 2: it by three, four, maybe five, and you'd still be
Speaker 2: a fool, I think to expect him to just walk
Speaker 2: away avoid that contract.
Speaker 3: Nobody does that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: My voice got so high.
Speaker 3: That's excitement. Yeah, I mean, look, it's a relief.
Speaker 2: It is a relief to know that that we don't
Speaker 2: have to you know, because they we'll get to it
Speaker 2: on the other side.
Speaker 3: But I need to get to a breaks what I
Speaker 3: need to do. Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: We'll come back on the other side. If you guys
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Speaker 2: hanging out with us. I'm gonna do this. We're gonna
Speaker 2: talk basketball coming up here in the four o'clock hour.
Speaker 2: If you're on hold and you wanted to talk hoops,
Speaker 2: that's fine because you know I want to talk coops
Speaker 2: as well, but I'm going to try to. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot to get to when it comes
Speaker 2: to both sides here basketball and football. But when it
Speaker 2: comes to the Governor's Cup game, a lot of people
Speaker 2: on the text line kind of expressing the same thing
Speaker 2: in their own way. As far as it didn't feel
Speaker 2: as satisfying as you as you thought it would, because
Speaker 2: it was just the relief of having it back and
Speaker 2: not having to hear from them anymore about being you know,
Speaker 2: they're still going to tell you that they won five
Speaker 2: out of six, which is true, but man, it was
Speaker 2: so hard to bring them down to reality whenever they
Speaker 2: have had this false perception of themselves as a program,
Speaker 2: and you know, like talking about going seven and five
Speaker 2: three five in the SEC but beating Louisville, and then
Speaker 2: they would talk about potentially it's our year to win
Speaker 2: the East and like that's insane, but it won. Is
Speaker 2: a program that has never really had to deal with
Speaker 2: success before, so they don't know how to do it.
Speaker 2: But it's also hard to like clown them whenever they
Speaker 2: could point to the scoreboard and say, but we're beating you,
Speaker 2: and you know it's true. Now, there was clearly some
Speaker 2: circumstances in play. One of them was Bobby got canned.
Speaker 3: They got that.
Speaker 2: That's when they got it back. Next year, Sack came
Speaker 2: in and he's the worst fit for the rivalry and
Speaker 2: really Stoops, I think knew he could alpha Sadurfield and
Speaker 2: he did. And then you know, from then on they
Speaker 2: lost to Sack a couple more times, and then last
Speaker 2: year was a game that really Louisville needs to own it.
Speaker 2: They lost, but you know, Louisville was a better team,
Speaker 2: and everybody knew that. There's a reason Louisvell has always
Speaker 2: come in favored in these games because objective people say,
Speaker 2: look like Louisve's better. Now you don't win, it didn't matter,
Speaker 2: but they have a level of arrogance about themselves that
Speaker 2: I think is more than anything, rooted by the fact
Speaker 2: that they started owning this rivalry and you can't take
Speaker 2: that away from them. But just to know that you
Speaker 2: beat them forty one to fourteen, and it could have
Speaker 2: been a lot worse was it was satisfying. But more
Speaker 2: than anything, it's just a relief because if you watch
Speaker 2: Kentucky even a little bit this year, I mean, they
Speaker 2: were terrible and I had fear that, you know.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: That's why I was a lunatic in the first half
Speaker 2: and even when they scored in the beginning of the
Speaker 2: third quarter, because I'm like, how can you not be
Speaker 2: up more?
Speaker 3: Right now? This is insane?
Speaker 2: But in the end it worked out. Louisvill wins forty
Speaker 2: one to fourteen. All right, let's go to the phone lines.
Speaker 2: Bibot two five seven seventy nine hundred is the number
Speaker 2: if you guys want to join us. We'll start things
Speaker 2: off here with Jerry. Jerry, what's happening?
Speaker 5: Brother?
Speaker 1: Say?
Speaker 6: Nick?
Speaker 5: First things first, I want to correct you on something
Speaker 5: you said. It's John Sumraw, not John Slarman.
Speaker 3: Did I say Sarmon? I'm a dumb ass. I'm sorry you.
Speaker 5: Did I think that's the offensive line coach.
Speaker 3: He passed away right right? Correct? Yeah, I'm sorry, thank you.
Speaker 5: And then, real Quick, I felt exactly like you at halftime.
Speaker 5: I felt like it should have at least been thirty
Speaker 5: one to nothing if you go back, Schuck missed Isaac
Speaker 5: Brown out of the backfield for a sure touchdown, and
Speaker 5: then for whatever reason, Jeff Brohn thinks he has to
Speaker 5: get cute and go with that reverse and we end
Speaker 5: up with a fumble where we should have at least
Speaker 5: walked away with a field goal.
Speaker 2: And the bell steps out of bounds. Huggins Bruce drops
Speaker 2: a pass in the end zone like we were we were.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm glad they won the way they did,
Speaker 2: but I was not thrilled with the offensive play calling
Speaker 2: in the first half.
Speaker 5: True, And I felt exactly the same way I've always
Speaker 5: said talked about stops. Real Quick, he's getting his nine
Speaker 5: million for beating us when we were down. That's at
Speaker 5: the end of the day. That's the way I see it.
Speaker 3: I don't think you're rob.
Speaker 5: Real quick basketball. I looked, did you watch a press
Speaker 5: conference today with Kelsey?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know who it was that asked the
Speaker 5: question about shooting percentages, but I thought it was a
Speaker 5: real fair question. I thought he sort of blew him off,
Speaker 5: you know, and he said, well, we did pretty good,
Speaker 5: didn't we. I think I think he's somewhat fearful to
Speaker 5: talk about the shooting percentages because he doesn't wanted to
Speaker 5: get in the guy's minds. I've looked it up. Only
Speaker 5: two guys three pointing three point shooting percentages have increased
Speaker 5: since last year, and that's rain Smith and Hadley. Everybody
Speaker 5: else's is down and down in a big way. I mean,
Speaker 5: Cason Pryor was down almost twenty percentage points. There's lots
Speaker 5: of guys that are down eight, ten, twelve percentage points.
Speaker 5: So I think he's fearful to talk about it, doesn't
Speaker 5: want it in their head. And I thought it was
Speaker 5: a legit question that he dodged, and he shouldn't have.
Speaker 5: I wanted to hear his answer. He keeps saying that
Speaker 5: we're a good shooting team and it may prove out,
Speaker 5: but we're seven games in and we don't look like
Speaker 5: a good shooting team. To me, I'm happy. Don't don't
Speaker 5: get me wrong, I'm not. I'm not here beating him
Speaker 5: uppy was what he's done so far. But but you
Speaker 5: cannot deny that we're we're not shooting the ball well
Speaker 5: from the perimeter.
Speaker 2: And a lot of them times, Jerry aren't great shots.
Speaker 2: Like I know, everybody's got the green light light.
Speaker 3: Go ahead. You had one more points?
Speaker 1: You there?
Speaker 5: Still yeah, I'm here, you still got me? Okay, one
Speaker 5: more thing. Last year, you and I had a little
Speaker 5: disagreement about talent versus no talent on that team. So
Speaker 5: I've been I've been tracking the guys and and I
Speaker 5: think the jury's still out on you know, and I
Speaker 5: don't know if there'll be a I'm right, you're wrong,
Speaker 5: or you're right I'm wrong. I think at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, I think it's gonna be some somewhat gray.
Speaker 5: But I wanted to read out something to you real
Speaker 5: quick if I could. I looked up every guy. I
Speaker 5: looked up every guy. I'm gonna give you their statue
Speaker 5: of quick Curtis Williams one point three points, one point
Speaker 5: seven rebounds, Sky Clark four point nine points, two point
Speaker 5: run rebounds, two point seven assists, Trainer seven point nine
Speaker 5: and five four, Trey White seven six and five four
Speaker 5: Bradley Huntley Hatfield ten seven and six one, Tyler three
Speaker 5: point seven, one point seven, one point eight assist. He's
Speaker 5: only shooting twenty eight percent from the field. A Corps
Speaker 5: four one point eight and three point zero. Haleb Glenn
Speaker 5: thirteen point three, four point one. Dennis Evens has never played,
Speaker 5: Javanovich has never played. Percy Miller's playing at a real
Speaker 5: low level. He's averaging eight point three and two point eight.
Speaker 5: So were we talented? I don't know. Like I said,
Speaker 5: I think the jury's still out, but I'm gonna track
Speaker 5: that through the year. I think I think we got
Speaker 5: too much of a small sample size. But I said,
Speaker 5: I think I think our argument somewhere in the middle
Speaker 5: right now, based on those numbers. You agree with.
Speaker 2: That I do, and Jerry, I appreciate the call. I'll
Speaker 2: say this real quickly, and I want to get to
Speaker 2: the to the to the Pat Kelsey comment. But when
Speaker 2: it comes to the talent argument, I would simply go
Speaker 2: out of my way, and I did. Jerry's right, Like
Speaker 2: I would argue with people that like, this team has
Speaker 2: players that are capable. My argument was more so though,
Speaker 2: about that there's no reason you should be as bad
Speaker 2: as you are, not because you have talent that's good
Speaker 2: enough to like be anywhere.
Speaker 3: Close to what Louisville expects.
Speaker 2: But I will say this, you know, talent is all
Speaker 2: in the eye of the beholder as far as what
Speaker 2: you how you view it, what you view as talent,
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So, you know, I think Caleb
Speaker 2: Glenn's got a lot of ability. Now I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's great at one thing, but he's got a motor,
Speaker 2: he's athletic, he's got good size.
Speaker 3: You could use him.
Speaker 2: You know, he's playing and putting up good numbers at FAU,
Speaker 2: So maybe that's where he's better, better suited. I think
Speaker 2: Tyler Johnson ended up at Louisville because of you know, well,
Speaker 2: I still will argue with anybody that kid can play.
Speaker 3: He's got talent. Now I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's playing behind an All American caliber guy
Speaker 2: in Hunter Salas there, so maybe that's part of the reason.
Speaker 2: But you know, you ended up he end up coming
Speaker 2: to Louisville to play for Kenny Payn because he didn't
Speaker 2: have any other options. He nobody would take a risk
Speaker 2: on him because his eligibility was in question, and it
Speaker 2: didn't look good and then somehow it worked out. Curtis
Speaker 2: Williams Junior. Don't know why he's not playing at Georgetown.
Speaker 2: So again, I still think that those guys were legitimately
Speaker 2: ranked where they were ranked for you know, good reason.
Speaker 2: I just think last year's team, like the fact that
Speaker 2: they were eight and what eight and twenty something. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's where I feel like, you know, there's just no
Speaker 2: reason to have a record that bad when you have play.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably not worth going down this hole
Speaker 2: because we need to move on. But Kinnny Payne lost
Speaker 2: to Kentucky Westley when he only played four and five
Speaker 2: star recruits in the game. I mean like that, So
Speaker 2: that's really where the talent thing came from my end.
Speaker 2: It's like, there's no excuse to lose to that team
Speaker 2: ever at Louisville. But you did it with guys that
Speaker 2: like a lot of schools wanted. So you're right, there's
Speaker 2: probably no no scenario where we're gonna get to who's
Speaker 2: right who's wrong. But I would say that Brandon Helly
Speaker 2: Hatfield would be really really perfect for this team. I
Speaker 2: mean he just would because of how he plays, and
Speaker 2: you don't have that big physical presence, and he really
Speaker 2: kind of came into his own and he's doing well
Speaker 2: in NC State. Not an elite guy, but he's doing well.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll get to his comment about the shooting
Speaker 2: percentages because actually what I'll do is I'll carry that
Speaker 2: over to the four o'clock hour when we talk basketball,
Speaker 2: because I think, you know, I don't want to get
Speaker 2: into as much pats exchange. We can play for you guys,
Speaker 2: but you know, he built this team to be a
Speaker 2: shooting team, and he's not gonna tell them to stop
Speaker 2: shooting at this point. But the numbers prove that right
Speaker 2: now they're not. I mean, there's a lot of different
Speaker 2: ways you can look at how good a team is
Speaker 2: at shooting the ball, but the percentage is the best
Speaker 2: way to really, I mean, there's really no argument there.
Speaker 2: That's numbers, it's facts, and they're not a great shooting team.
Speaker 2: They've got the ability to get hot. They've got a
Speaker 2: couple of guys rainsmiths specifically, they can light it up.
Speaker 2: But other than that, I think these guys are dangerous
Speaker 2: enough from three to where they're going to be able
Speaker 2: to to fire it when they get a decent look.
Speaker 2: But some of these guys are taking good looks. They're
Speaker 2: they're just kind of yacking it up at times. And
Speaker 2: that's I mean, hasn't killed him yet, but it's still
Speaker 2: something I think they could improve at.
Speaker 3: But as far as we see that, I don't know.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go back in fall on five two, five, seven,
Speaker 2: one seventy nine hundred is the number. Let's welcome in, Dave. Dave,
Speaker 2: you're on Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 6: What's happening, hey, Kentucky says that they beat us five
Speaker 6: in a row. Well, one of those five wins was voided.
Speaker 3: I mean, remember that's truth.
Speaker 6: Four foot down. So I'm tired of this crap about
Speaker 6: Kentucky beat US five in row. You know, Sadderfield never
Speaker 6: could get a handle on the rivalry at for some reason.
Speaker 6: And you're right, I mean Stoops is getting nine million
Speaker 6: a year because he beat Louisville. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 6: the only reason.
Speaker 2: And he's beloved by his fans mostly I think because
Speaker 2: he started beating Louisville. Like I know that he clearly
Speaker 2: before losing, before he started beating Louisville in any way,
Speaker 2: he did give the a little bit of life to
Speaker 2: where they were they were not. They were better than
Speaker 2: they were in the Joker era. They were probably a
Speaker 2: little bit better than they were with Brooks. But what
Speaker 2: really I think gave their fan base this, this you know,
Speaker 2: this view of themselves that really wasn't realistic at all,
Speaker 2: like they're in their own world, was that they started
Speaker 2: beating up on Louisville and I just, you know, it's
Speaker 2: hard for me to to to you know, to dunk
Speaker 2: on them whenever they would beat us. But I think
Speaker 2: now that they don't have the cup, and they realize,
Speaker 2: if they're being honest with themselves, Jeff Bram's got a
Speaker 2: lot of momentum and it's gonna be hard to beat
Speaker 2: him consistently, Like you know, you can't do it like
Speaker 2: you did against Sadderfield. I just think that's why there's
Speaker 2: they want something new, because they know that the best
Speaker 2: football from Stoops is probably in the rear view, not
Speaker 2: in the future.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, I read where bread Brad White might be
Speaker 6: leaving for Florida State, and I don't know if that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wait.
Speaker 2: That actually was rumored before the season finale, that that
Speaker 2: he could he could end up being there, and obviously
Speaker 2: that would be. I mean, they had a terrible year,
Speaker 2: but obviously that would be a better gig for him
Speaker 2: and a better chance, especially if they end up making
Speaker 2: a big comeback next year and they really bounce back
Speaker 2: in a really good and the defense as a factor,
Speaker 2: that'll give him a better look. Bradwhy wants to be
Speaker 2: a head coach right now? His best chance to get
Speaker 2: a good job would be to go to Florida State,
Speaker 2: revive their defense, and get a job from there. At Kentucky,
Speaker 2: he probably realizes, hey, we're not going to be very good,
Speaker 2: at least not right now. Therefore, if I stick around
Speaker 2: here and use Kentucky's DC job to potentially get a
Speaker 2: head coaching job, it may never happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Florida State, boy, they are really down. I mean they
Speaker 6: were two and ten this year, and I don't know
Speaker 6: if Norville can turn them around to the point where
Speaker 6: he can satisfy their fans, because I thought he'd be
Speaker 6: gone after this year, you know, based on what he
Speaker 6: did this year.
Speaker 2: Yep, no doubt, David. I appreciate the call Florida State
Speaker 2: the most disappointing team in college football this year, not
Speaker 2: even close, and that's why you see a staff change.
Speaker 2: I mean, he didn't have a choice for him to
Speaker 2: salvage his situation. I mean, they didn't have the money
Speaker 2: to fire him, but for him to salvage the situation
Speaker 2: with his fans, he had to go. Mean because Norvell
Speaker 2: did enough in two years to where he does kind
Speaker 2: of get a mulligan. But also though they were so bad,
Speaker 2: like they were the worst team in the country offensively
Speaker 2: this year when it comes to power programs, I mean
Speaker 2: it went even close. So that's why you see Gus
Speaker 2: Melzon walk away from the head coaching job at Central
Speaker 2: Florida to go call plays at Florida State, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna see him go after a decordinator. And I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be shocked if Brad White doesn't end up getting that job.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be shocked if he does. But like it's just
Speaker 2: I mean, there's probably a defensive coordinator that has been
Speaker 2: successful elsewhere that might be just as attractive to Florida
Speaker 2: State as Brad White. So yeah, I mean Florida State,
Speaker 2: I mean it really is. I think the biggest surprise
Speaker 2: team as far as being good was Indiana. The biggest
Speaker 2: surprise as far as the team that was terrible was
Speaker 2: Florida State. But I actually think when it comes to
Speaker 2: just like, wait a second, how the hell did that happen?
Speaker 2: And I actually think it's more of a surprise at
Speaker 2: how bad Florida State was. I don't know, it still
Speaker 2: doesn't seem real when I see Indiana be able to
Speaker 2: lose a game and still be in the playoff, Like
Speaker 2: that's something that still doesn't seem real, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, all Right, we got to get to a break.
Speaker 2: We'll keep this party rolling along. We will talk some
Speaker 2: hoops coming up here at at four o'clock because I
Speaker 2: haven't really had a chance to kind of fully share
Speaker 2: my thoughts on everything that came with the Battle for
Speaker 2: Atlantis experience. Still a positive situation, no doubt, but man,
Speaker 2: they got a lot more tough games ahead here in
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. And without Case and Pryor,
Speaker 2: I mean that changes things. Pat Kelsey acknowledged that today
Speaker 2: that without him it does kind of change the complexion
Speaker 2: of this team. I mean, he's gonna he's gonna give
Speaker 2: you the old next man up line, and I think
Speaker 2: it's legit. I think he's given I mean Kahannie Russ
Speaker 2: is going to be tasked with a lot more minutes
Speaker 2: and a lot more opportunity. But I felt like it
Speaker 2: wasn't really anything Pat said today. It was kind of
Speaker 2: how he said it. I think more than Anything's just
Speaker 2: really sad for his team and for Caseon to be
Speaker 2: on the shelf the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: But part of me won, you know.
Speaker 2: I think I think he realizes, yeah, this changes us,
Speaker 2: which you know isn't good. All right, quick break, don't
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Speaker 2: So real quick, what a week it was for rivalries
Speaker 2: in college football, and I'm here for every bit of
Speaker 2: it like today, And I said this earlier this morning
Speaker 2: when I was on the ksrpre show with Billy that
Speaker 2: the rivalry stuff with pepper spray people trying to plant
Speaker 2: flags and Austin will appreciate this. It had like a
Speaker 2: hint of WWE with it, and it made it better.
Speaker 3: Like this is entertainment, man.
Speaker 2: I know we shouldn't be wanting to see people get
Speaker 2: pepper sprayed or fights or anything like that, but come on,
Speaker 2: we're watching this to be entertained. I mean, that's what
Speaker 2: it is. And I'm sure if you're a fan of
Speaker 2: a program and you want your guys to be respectful
Speaker 2: and have a lot of class and sportsmanship, like I
Speaker 2: get it. I shouldn't mock you because that's not a
Speaker 2: crazy thought to have. But I don't know as as
Speaker 2: somebody without really a dog in the fight when it
Speaker 2: comes to these rivalry games. You know, I didn't really
Speaker 2: have any rooting interest for any any rivalry matchup, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you. But seeing everything play out the
Speaker 2: way it did with these fights that took place between
Speaker 2: n C State and North Carolina. Obviously the Ohio State
Speaker 2: Michigan situation, that was crazy with the pepper spray and
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 4: So what about the did you see the Arizona and
Speaker 4: Arizona State the mascots?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and that was that real? I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean they look like they were throwing, but that
Speaker 4: could have probably been, you know, two mascots just kind
Speaker 4: of I.
Speaker 2: Saw it in kind of you know, I got a
Speaker 2: I got a little amusement out of it, and then
Speaker 2: I just kept scrolling because I kind of didn't want
Speaker 2: to watch it and feel like it was fake, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean, because I wanted it to be real
Speaker 3: to suspend your disbelief. Yeah, so, uh look it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what made it to where like it wasn't playful,
Speaker 2: like maybe they knew they were going to do it
Speaker 2: because they're wearing a mascot suit and they probably won't
Speaker 2: get hurt, but they really wanted to make it look
Speaker 2: real because it did, you know, got a lot of attention.
Speaker 2: But you're right, like it wasn't There wasn't any like
Speaker 2: little soft punches thrown like it was. I think it
Speaker 2: might have been. Was it was it the Wildcat of Arizona.
Speaker 3: It was like he was Gilber Wildcat. Yeah, he was
Speaker 3: getting aggressive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I.
Speaker 4: Could tell you just from a person that lived there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 6: They do.
Speaker 4: They they absolutely Arizona State and Arizona do not like
Speaker 4: each other.
Speaker 3: That's where it should be. That's what rivalries are.
Speaker 2: Man bad Blood now Ryan Day losing to Michigan. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know they've still got a spot in the playoff
Speaker 2: it looks like, but I mean, I don't think that
Speaker 2: as of now, things could have played out worse for him,
Speaker 2: because you know, they beat all the teams they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be but they didn't beat Oregon in Oregon's first
Speaker 2: year in the Big Ten. And Oregon is the only
Speaker 2: undefeated team left as far as you know, fighting for
Speaker 2: a playoff spot, and they have one there. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're undefeated, they're the number one team in the country.
Speaker 2: But like Ohio State was there, could have won and didn't.
Speaker 2: Not a bad loss by any means, but at Ohio State,
Speaker 2: it's the level of programming college football. There really isn't
Speaker 2: a loss where you sit back and say, huh, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do? We played such and such like
Speaker 2: you're Ohio State and now this is an example of
Speaker 2: where nil you can play it to get you know,
Speaker 2: to give yourself maybe you know, benefit of the data.
Speaker 2: For example, there are there are coaches out there who stink,
Speaker 2: and they stink because they're not good coaches, but also
Speaker 2: because they don't have any resources within il. So what
Speaker 2: they can do is like they can, they can have
Speaker 2: short and basically say like what do you want me
Speaker 2: to do? We got to pay to get players now,
Speaker 2: because like it gives them an out, like okay, well yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess it is going to be hard for Jim
Speaker 2: Mora to win at Yukon because it's Yukon football.
Speaker 3: They're not even in a conference.
Speaker 2: But also when it's public that you got the bags
Speaker 2: and you're giving them out in a way nobody else is,
Speaker 2: and you come up short like you are on front
Speaker 2: Street as an underperformer, and like there's really no excuse
Speaker 2: for it. Now, Michigan this year being bad and not
Speaker 2: being anywhere close to what they were in the previous
Speaker 2: three four years. I mean again, that's why I think
Speaker 2: it played out maybe as bad as it possibly could
Speaker 2: for Ryan Day and now again, maybe they go to
Speaker 2: the playoff and they win it all.
Speaker 3: I doubt it.
Speaker 2: But they had the most expensive roster in college football.
Speaker 2: He makes a ton of money. They went out and
Speaker 2: hired Chip Kelly to call the plays. You had previous
Speaker 2: Ohio State coaches like urban Meyer even Tressel doing interviews
Speaker 2: throughout the season or maybe before the season saying that
Speaker 2: they have never seen a collection of talent like they've
Speaker 2: seen on this Ohio State roster and.
Speaker 3: They are bad.
Speaker 2: They're going to the playoff, but it's Ohio State, and
Speaker 2: everybody knew that, like this was the year to bounce
Speaker 2: back from last year. And they lose to Michigan again
Speaker 2: in a year where like that was the year to
Speaker 2: beat him.
Speaker 3: Like Louisville.
Speaker 2: The nerves and the anxiousness that I had and really
Speaker 2: just you know, kind of going insane like a psychopath.
Speaker 2: Whenever Louisville wasn't up forty at halftime, it's because I
Speaker 2: just knew, look, if we can't beat him, now, good god.
Speaker 2: And that's what it was for Ohio State this year,
Speaker 2: and they still lost at home. Like I mean, I
Speaker 2: get it if you're Ohio State, because you have expectations,
Speaker 2: like you've for the most part always probably lived as
Speaker 2: an Ohio State fan and your program was elite, and
Speaker 2: now you've fallen down. And if they lost to Michigan
Speaker 2: this year, Michigan was like ranked right next to him,
Speaker 2: it's still would have been painful. But this is a
Speaker 2: team that went what I guess, they go seven and
Speaker 2: five with that win. Like Sean Moore, he's gotta be
Speaker 2: a really good next year he's out, I would say,
Speaker 2: m hm. So I mean and another fan base that like,
Speaker 2: I'm not really like, do you know what, hey, Miami
Speaker 2: fans like legitimately like people who are like, man, they're
Speaker 2: they're they're living and dying by what the Canes do.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 4: So I know one person I used to work at
Speaker 4: ups with, ye was he legit jit or benwe He
Speaker 4: was because he liked all the other Miami teams to
Speaker 4: be as a Dolphins fan and Heat fan and all that.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that makes sense well, because I actually think
Speaker 2: you could make the case that, like they had a
Speaker 2: year where they could have I mean, them losing to Syracuse.
Speaker 2: Credit to fran Brown and his guys for having his
Speaker 2: team up and doing what they needed to do to
Speaker 2: get Clemson in the a SEC Championship game. But Miami,
Speaker 2: I mean, they lost that game and it removed them
Speaker 2: from the playoff, and now they have a they have
Speaker 2: a good year for like what they've done. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is probably the first time they've won ten regular
Speaker 2: season games in a long long time, but they didn't
Speaker 2: accomplish anything. And I think now when you're right there
Speaker 2: and all you got to do is kind of not
Speaker 2: screw up in the last couple of games to find
Speaker 2: yourself in the playoff. And when I say not screw up,
Speaker 2: I don't mean like, for example, Indiana went played Ohio State,
Speaker 2: Like that's not not screwing up, right, that's the loss
Speaker 2: that you're like you're walking into. You just hope to
Speaker 2: be more competitive. All Miami had to do is go
Speaker 2: beat Syracuse, who you know is a fine team, but like,
Speaker 2: you know, you were supposed to win that game and
Speaker 2: you screwed up. So like I think Miami probably is
Speaker 2: feeling maybe not as bad as Ohio State fans because
Speaker 2: in Ohio State still has a chance to win the
Speaker 2: national championship, but like Miami craped the bed and there's
Speaker 2: not a whole lot of talk about it because it's Miami,
Speaker 2: and yes they are a brand, but like even their
Speaker 2: home games aren't well attended, like they don't have I mean,
Speaker 2: they're a national school because of what they did like
Speaker 2: long long ago, And I guess there's some transplants spread out,
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the Miami fans that were at
Speaker 2: the Louisville Miami game this year, I think they were
Speaker 2: Kentucky fans dressed in Miami gear or they never really
Speaker 2: had a team, so they were just like, yeah, the
Speaker 2: you they're cool because there was a what was a
Speaker 2: time where Miami had the cool factor probably like no
Speaker 2: other school. Yeah, but like that's that's kind of faded.
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't feel as bad about the
Speaker 2: Stanford loss knowing that like other teams kind of did
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's still something I don't want to revisit.
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about, because man, that was
Speaker 2: brutal because I think you would have been right there
Speaker 2: with the potential path to get in if you didn't
Speaker 2: lose to Stanford. And here I am about to block
Speaker 2: out just thinking about it. But you know, other teams
Speaker 2: did it too, And I still think Louisville football and
Speaker 2: I'll rap here, we got to get to our break,
Speaker 2: and we got two more hours to go, and I
Speaker 2: certainly want to talk some basketball with you guys.
Speaker 3: But eight and four, he had.
Speaker 2: Knocked off Clemson for the first time ever at their play,
Speaker 2: still a win that has value, and you also into
Speaker 2: the street to Kentucky, and the three teams you lost
Speaker 2: to all ended up being good teams. You had the
Speaker 2: one head scratcher of a loss, which unfortunately has been
Speaker 2: there forever. I feel like with Louisville football, so again,
Speaker 2: could have been better. But I still think you've got
Speaker 2: momentum heading into year three with Jeff Brown, especially if
Speaker 2: you can keep some of these guys here, because man,
Speaker 2: the future's bright, especially with those young running backs. All right,
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