1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,599 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Christina and Carmen and this is another 2 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:10,800 episode of a Spooky Twes, a podcast for all things 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,679 is booky, Hunted, Places, myths, legends, and true crime. Did 4 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:18,320 I already say that? I don't think so. But today 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,679 just one short Hunted story. We're still we're sill in 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,239 catchup mode. It's like preemptive ketchup because you know you're 7 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:30,600 gonna go on a trip soon. By the time this releases, 8 00:00:30,719 --> 00:00:33,479 Carmen and I will be having some bomb ass Mexican 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,600 food at this bomb ass Mexican restaurant. Are they open Fridays? Oh? 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,840 You already want to go there? Yeah? Of course, yeah 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,960 we have. We have to go on Friday. We can't 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000 go on Saturday because it's two packed on the weekend 13 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:48,000 and then we had to wait over two hours. Yes, okay, perfect. Yeah, 14 00:00:48,039 --> 00:00:50,520 we're gonna be having Mexican food together. I didn't get 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,560 to go during Christmas, so yeah, I'm going for thirteen 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:00,240 weekday weekend, m okay weekend. So yeah, that's why we're 17 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:04,079 doing just a short, short, quick episode today. But before 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,000 we get into the topic, let's read a listener story. 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,000 If you have a story for us, you can email 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 us Pookya's at gmail dot com. You can damaz on 21 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,280 any of our socials. You can call the Spooky Hotline. 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,640 You can submit it on Discord. There's so many ways 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,000 to get us your stories and we love receiving them. Okay, 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,319 and this listener's story is submitted by Blair Hi y'all, 25 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:28,079 longtime listener, first time submitting one of my creepy experiences. 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,719 This happened when I was about eight years old in 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,239 nal Palma in the state of Gueretro, Mexico. It was 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,120 me and three of my primos. Our parents had went 29 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:39,200 out to party, but us kids didn't want to go. 30 00:01:39,799 --> 00:01:43,879 We stayed back watched The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror. It 31 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,480 was the only DVD we could find. As we're watching it, 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,640 we start to hear a very faint cry. We all 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,879 look at each other creeped out. We then turned to 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,599 look through the windows and we see a woman in 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,680 all white just standing outside of the family's property gate. 36 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:02,359 Her crying getting louder. We freak out and run to 37 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:05,159 go hide in my room. The crying is getting louder 38 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,840 before something starts just banging on the outside of the house. 39 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:12,800 After about three minutes, it stops. We stayed in my 40 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:15,840 room until our parents got back. It's still a thing 41 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:18,840 we all talk about today. We're not sure if it 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,080 was like Rona or the spirit of a young girl 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,639 who was murdered there back in the nineties. This is 44 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,199 just one of the many partneral experiences that I've had. 45 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:29,719 May not be the craziest, but hope you enjoy and 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Blair send the rest of them to us. Blair, that 47 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,639 was like Rona, and yeah it was. It had to be. Yeah, 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:50,479 she was and white, she was crying, okay, and yeah 49 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:54,319 that was a listeners story. And for today's topic, again 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,479 a short one. We're in catch a mood because we 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,479 have things going on. One day we'll get back to 52 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,599 our normal format. Not today, but the top of today 53 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:07,680 is the Sidata Mexico Cathedral, the Mexico City Cathedral, because 54 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:11,960 according to legend, Mexico City underwent an exorcism and the 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,879 demon that possessed it is locked away in the catacombs 56 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:18,199 of the cathedral. So like a demon possessed all of 57 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,719 Mexico City. A demon was doing something, they did an 58 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:26,479 exorcism to make the demon stop doing that thing, and 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,159 now it's locked away in the cathedral and the catacombs 60 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:33,400 of the cathedral. Oh my god. But first a little 61 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:36,800 bit about the cathedral. The full name of the cathedral 62 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:45,000 is La cal Metropolitana de la Maria Loss. Wow, I 63 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,960 didn't know that. Mm hmm. And an English and Bia 64 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:53,840 is just throwing me here. I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 65 00:03:54,879 --> 00:03:58,280 in English, the Metropolitan Cathedral of the Assumption of the 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,319 Most Blessed Virgin Mary into Oh what that means? Yeah, yeah, 67 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,599 it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean she was out there 68 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,039 being adventuress aventuriando Aventuyah, not like Aventura who has fallen 69 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:16,879 into grace. No, yeah, I didn't know that meant blessed. 70 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:23,120 No me neither until I translated the name. Anyway. The 71 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,079 cathedral was built in sections from fifteen seventy three to 72 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,360 eighteen thirteen, first in sections around the original church that 73 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,800 was built right after the colonization of the Nose Stitlan. 74 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:39,079 This cathedral eventually replaced that church. That original first church, 75 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,360 and the cathedral was built on top of a Mechica 76 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:48,120 sacred precinct that was part of the Templo Mayor, which 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,839 was the main temple of the Mexica. It was called 78 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:58,480 Wai Tkali and it was dedicated to Witzilopotli, the deity 79 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,199 of all being solar and war A Thrilloch, the deity 80 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:07,199 of earthly fertility, water, giver of life and substance, hail, 81 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:11,959 thunder lightning, rain, and was associated with caves, springs and mountains, 82 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:15,240 and the central spire of El Templo Mayod was devoted 83 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,720 to keetal kuwat Aka, the feather serpent and the deity 84 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:25,959 related to wind, venus, sun, merchants, arts, crafts, knowledge, learning, wisdom, 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,040 intelligence so much. El Templo Mayod was built in thirteen 86 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,519 twenty five and then was rebuilt six times and it 87 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:38,839 was almost completely destroyed by the Spanish. Pisses me off 88 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:41,600 to no end of course, right, like they literally built 89 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:45,000 this on top. They're like, it's not even like a 90 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:49,560 metaphor for colonization and genocide. It's like the literal it's 91 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,759 it is colonization and genocide. Yeah, like the physical demonstration 92 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,399 manifestation of it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I believe 93 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:04,439 what the remains of a temple Mayor is the main 94 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:09,040 plaza of Mexico City and the cathedral. Back to that, 95 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:12,160 it took almost two hundred of the years to build it, 96 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,600 and because of the amount of time that it took 97 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,920 the time span. It has several different architectural styles, including Gothic, Baroque, 98 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,319 trutty Gesque. I've never heard of that. I only know 99 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Neoclassical and Gothic. I've heard of Baroque. You've heard of Baroque. Okay, 100 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,319 you're more, you're classier than I. I am more culture cultured, Yeah, 101 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,079 culture if you will, yes, yes, of course. And yeah, 102 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,000 and Neo Classical is the other style that the cathedral 103 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,240 is built with. And it really is a site to see. 104 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:50,040 As we've already said in other episodes, for some reason 105 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,680 we've brought up the cathedral. We have talked about the cathedral, 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:01,240 Yes we have. It is beautiful. Yeah, there's bell towers 107 00:07:01,879 --> 00:07:05,240 and across the two bell towers there's twenty five bells, 108 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,360 eighteen in the east bell tower and seven in the 109 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:11,199 West bell tower. And these bells are huge. The largest 110 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:15,600 weigst twenty nine hundred pounds, sorry, twenty nine thousand pounds. 111 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:20,920 You know, I can't fellow more. Wow, bigger wowow. And 112 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,360 that largest one it's named the Santa Maria Deja Lupe 113 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:30,399 even the bells have names, and an interesting story about 114 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,240 one of the bells. I don't know which one. I 115 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,360 couldn't find which bell, But in nineteen forty seven, a 116 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,120 novice bell ringer died in an accident when he tried 117 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,319 to move one of the bells while standing under it. 118 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:42,759 The bell swunk back and hit him in the head, 119 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:48,199 killing him instantly, and the bell was then punished by 120 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:51,439 removing the clapper. I think that's the thing inside. Yeah, 121 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,120 that rings I can never ring again. In the following years, 122 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,800 the bell was known as La Castigala, the punished one, 123 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,759 the mute one, and it wasn't until the year two 124 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:09,199 thousand that the clapper was reinstalled in La Castia. I 125 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,040 have heard this before, and probably during your tour tour. 126 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,800 I was going to say that had to be during 127 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:20,360 your tour of the cathedral. Sorry, I just needed to 128 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:22,959 say that I've been there. Of course, I would be 129 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,560 repeating it again to everyone, so I don't follow you 130 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,480 for that. Inside there are a couple of altars, the 131 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,159 Alter Forgiveness and the Altar of Kings. There's two stories 132 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:38,639 about the Altar of Forgiveness about how the name came 133 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,399 to be. The first story states that those condemned by 134 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,000 the Spanish Inquisition were brought to the altar to ask 135 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,759 for forgiveness into the next world before being executed, and 136 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,519 that's why it's called the Alter Forgiveness. The other story 137 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,759 is about a painter named Simon Parines, a Flemish painter, 138 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,879 and Flemish means like Dutch speaking from Flanders or Belgium. Oh, 139 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,320 I was about to ask, what is a Flemish. Yeah, 140 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,120 he's a Flemish painter and he had done several works 141 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,919 for the cathedral and he was accused of blasphemy, and 142 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:16,559 while in jail, he painted a beautiful image of the 143 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,399 Virgin Mary earning forgiveness. And then the altar was named 144 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,080 after this act of forgiveness, and that's why it's called 145 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:30,360 the Altar of Forgiveness. So those are the two stories. 146 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,399 There's also sixteen chapels in the cathedral. I'm not going 147 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,879 to name all of them, but there's a couple of 148 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:40,320 stories attached to one or two of them that I 149 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,039 did want to share because they are interesting. So the 150 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,480 first one is at the Chapel of Our Lady Antigua, 151 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,120 and this chapel was built between sixteen fifty three and 152 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,440 sixteen sixty. The chapel is home to Elino Caltibo or 153 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,200 the Captive Child, and this is a figure of Baby Jesus, 154 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,679 Baby Jesus that was brought over from Spain on its 155 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:06,200 way to Vera Cruz from Spain, pirates attacked the ship 156 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:08,759 and sacked it and they had to pay a large 157 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,759 ransom to get Baby Jesus back. The figure isn't in 158 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,720 the chapel anymore. It's in the chapel of San Pedro now. 159 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,799 But those who are seeking to be released from restrictions 160 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:24,120 or traps go to Elino Caltivo, especially those with financial 161 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:27,960 problems or addiction problems, also those whose family members have 162 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,600 been abducted and held from ransom. They also petitioned Ellino 163 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,279 so that Nino Cartillo isn't there, He's at another chapel. 164 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,000 But he used to be there. Yeah, he used to 165 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:41,200 be there. But I just thought that the story of 166 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:45,240 Elina Cartivo was interesting that order to share it. Yeah, 167 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:50,679 I mean pirates, pirates. Yeah. Another coop one is the 168 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,759 chapel of Saint Philip of Jesus, a friar and the 169 00:10:54,879 --> 00:11:00,759 only martyr from New Spain who was crucified in Japan, Japan. Yeah, 170 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,519 and I should have looked up how this happened. But 171 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:06,000 it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh wow, Filippe 172 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,080 Jesus Christopher in Japan. Why yeah, And they weren't trying 173 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,639 to colonize I mean Christians were trying to colonize Japan. True, 174 00:11:15,879 --> 00:11:18,559 that must maybe that's how I saw that on the 175 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:23,200 show Shogun Shogun Show. I started that and I didn't 176 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,000 finish it. It's good, I need to finish it. Yeah. 177 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:30,960 The altar on the left is dedicated dedicated to Rose 178 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:34,559 of Lima, who was considered a protector of Mexico City. 179 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:37,799 And then to the right there's an urn that holds 180 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,039 the remains of Agustine. What is that sound familiar? He 181 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:48,440 was the first emperor of Mexico. Maybe after it sounds familiar? Yeah, yeah, 182 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,879 his remains are in there. Interesting. So the heart of 183 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:58,039 Anastasio Bustamente, Mexico's fourth president, is preserved in this chapel. O. Wow, 184 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,399 just got remains. This is like the most paranormal Gothic 185 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,600 thing ever. There's remains and hearts preserved in the chapel. 186 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:09,039 M h also to the body parts. Yeah, yeah, that's 187 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,639 why Catholics grow up to be like us. Speaky yes. 188 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,679 And the crypt of archbishops is located before the Altar 189 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:22,799 of Kings. The entrance is guarded by a large wooden door. 190 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Inside when we want to open the door, there's this 191 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:30,720 winding yellow staircase, which is also creepy. Just past the entrance, 192 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,080 there's a cenotaph, which is like an empty grave or 193 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:38,159 tomb dedicated to someone, in this case, dedicated to Juan 194 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:42,360 de Sumarraga, the first archbishop of Mexico, and he is 195 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,000 considered to be the benefactor of the Indians, is what 196 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,639 they called him, because he was protecting them against the 197 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:53,559 abuses of the Spanish overlords. Oh okay, yeah. And on 198 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:56,559 the walls there's dozens of plaques indicating the remains of 199 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:03,039 most of Mexico City's former archbishops. So more bodies. And 200 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,039 there's something about like it makes it a cathedral because 201 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:08,080 there's bodies in there. Is that what I've heard before? Oh? 202 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,399 Is that right? Someone told me I was telling I 203 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,759 was trying to tell someone, was it? MJ. MJ probably 204 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,240 told us, Yeah, I was telling someone about the difference 205 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:24,240 between Basilica is cathedral English from Basilica or no, no, 206 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,080 because okay, well, I was like telling someone there's like 207 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,720 a difference between all these but I don't know what 208 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,159 it is. There is a difference between all of them, 209 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,120 and I've been told time and time again, and I 210 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,679 forget the difference. That I could be wrong right now, 211 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,559 but I haven't told the difference. The same point is, 212 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,159 I don't remember neither. And over the years, there's been 213 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:52,320 restoration efforts toward the cathedral because it's sinking. Also, there 214 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:54,519 was a fire that caused a ton of damage in 215 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,000 nineteen sixty seven, and the two thousand earthquake also caused damage. 216 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,440 The seventeen Yeah, what did I say two thousand? I 217 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,519 meant twenty seventeen, Yes, thank you. It caused a lot 218 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:09,039 of damage as well. And that was just a little 219 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,080 bit about the cathedral. Now onto the legend. According to 220 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,639 the legend, there's a demon trapped in the catacombs of 221 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,240 the cathedral. It all began when Mexico City flooded in 222 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,919 sixteen twenty nine. By this point, it had been raining 223 00:14:23,039 --> 00:14:26,480 NonStop for thirty six hours, and the roads had become rivers, 224 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:32,399 water filled homes to seize animals floated along. Water levels 225 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,360 were over six and a half feet, and this flooding 226 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:39,519 something surfaced in the cathedral of Mexico City. Two friars 227 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:41,840 were checking the crypt area when they saw something in 228 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:45,360 the waters. It was a stone coffin floating. It was 229 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,000 full of symbols they didn't recognize. Probably meant do not open, 230 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,399 That's probably what they said. The young friar went to 231 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,320 get a closer look. This stone coffin had a corner 232 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,120 that was broken, and the younger friar decided to roll 233 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,679 up a piece of paper and stick it in the hole. 234 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,600 Never a good idea, no, he expected something like rats 235 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,600 or some kind of animal to pull on the paper. 236 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,879 But after what seemed like an eternity but really had 237 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,279 only been seconds, something pulled the paper. Freaked out the 238 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,960 younger fire yanked it out of the hole. That's when 239 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,559 they saw the paper was half burned, as if something 240 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:25,799 inside had set it a flame. Not naturale. No, they 241 00:15:25,879 --> 00:15:29,759 decided to go and notify Pati Superior disappearor Father, and 242 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:35,039 they set off immediately, leaving the disturbing coughing behind. They 243 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,240 went back to the crypt with him, and upon seeing 244 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:41,200 the stone coffin Disappearor Father could only gasp and say, 245 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:46,360 oh my dear Tomo. He stated, this could only be 246 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,080 something evil, not human, and not an animal. He then 247 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:53,840 requested an emergency meeting with the Holy Office of the Inquisition. 248 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,919 In this meeting, they decided that they had to get 249 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,639 out whatever demon was inside that coffin. But what if 250 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:05,919 they just left it? Ry? I wonder? That night, only 251 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:09,159 the Friars and the Sapier Father were present. They tried 252 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,320 to open the stone coffin, but it would not bunch 253 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:17,279 a sign perhaps perhaps perhaps a meant to stop stop 254 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,960 by your head exactly exactly. After several attempts, the lid 255 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:27,559 opened by itself. When that happened, their candles all went 256 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:29,679 out at the same time, and there was a horrible 257 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,480 smell like what what beliet though, if you will mm 258 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:38,480 hmm silfur yes. Once they were able to get their 259 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:42,879 candles lit again, they saw muddy footprints surrounding the sarcophagus. 260 00:16:43,879 --> 00:16:47,919 The footprints resembled that of an animal. As the Superior 261 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,960 Father looked around, he was mad with an even at 262 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,360 Wor's sight there were several dead Friars laying on the floor. 263 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,799 Holy shit, imagine seeing that, m m. It would be 264 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,840 a perfect movie scene. Honestly, they continued with the exorcism, 265 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:07,240 and throughout it they heard laughter and loud footsteps around them, 266 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,759 but they went on. As more hours passed, the Suparior 267 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,240 Father began to believe that it wasn't a demon they 268 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:17,079 were dealing with, that it was actually the deity of 269 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,160 rain and everything that falls from the skies. He believed 270 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,920 Michika Shamans had released La loc in hopes to see 271 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,559 the downfall of New Spain. If only, I mean, come on, 272 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:33,200 let them, I'm rooting for Sorry, are you familiar with 273 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:39,200 the let them theory? Shut them up. If somebody releases 274 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,440 an ancient deity to flood colonizers, let them, let them, 275 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,480 let them. If an ancient terror has a rose from 276 00:17:49,519 --> 00:17:54,200 the ground to right the wrongs of colonization, let them 277 00:17:54,319 --> 00:18:00,119 let them. This motivated the Father even more, and he 278 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,640 wavered through the exorcism. It went through the morning, but 279 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:07,200 legend tells that they were able to seal this demon 280 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,880 not actually a demon. It's not a demon. It's tale. 281 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:16,680 They're calling him a demon basically, but it's actually Ta Logue. Yeah, 282 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,640 leave him alone. But they were able to seal this 283 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,680 demon back into the stone coffin they put chains around 284 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,440 the stone coffin and then surrounded it with sacred symbols. 285 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,960 They moved the stone coffin underneath the tomb of Juan 286 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:36,839 de Sumaga, the first archbishop of Mexico, to ensure the 287 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:42,519 demon stayed sealed forever. And that is the legend. But 288 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,240 we had to provide some more information here. There are 289 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,799 some legends that have hints a facts documentation, mentions of 290 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:51,880 old codexes and whatnot, but this is not one of them. 291 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:54,920 The only thing that most definitely happened was the flood. 292 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:58,400 From sixteen oh seven to sixteen thirty, there was a 293 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,559 series of floods in Mexico City, and while the Spanish 294 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,160 might have loved to blame a Michiga deity for it, 295 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,200 it was actually their fault. The floating got that bad. 296 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,160 They built a city in a lake, and then the 297 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:19,480 what do they expect? Come on? The Spanish didn't have 298 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,960 the understanding or care for the land that the indigenous had. 299 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,160 The Michiga understood floods were necessary for agriculture. They built chinampas, 300 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,559 or floating agricultural islands. Yeah, I learned this intour, Oh okay, Yeah, 301 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:36,039 because you went to Mexico City. Yeah, exactly, yes, yes, 302 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,680 and you had to do several tours there. They embraced 303 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,039 the abundance of water. On top of that, they had 304 00:19:42,079 --> 00:19:46,720 built their own system that also had in alberadon or dike. 305 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,119 A dike is built along the banks of a river 306 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,920 to prevent and overflow, kind of like a levee, but 307 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,799 there's a difference between the dike and a levee. If 308 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,440 river rises because of rain, a levee keeps higher than 309 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,680 normal water. There it's used for water that isn't normally 310 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:05,839 that high. But a dike fully encloses an area like 311 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,400 a bowl. So hopefully that made sense. Yeah, hopefully. Anyway, 312 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,720 the Aabaadon was ordered by Moktsuna the first and built 313 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,559 by Nissa Warcoyot, and it was expanded again during the 314 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,200 rule of Awitsot, but of course the Spanish destroyed this too. 315 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:28,039 They drained Lake Texcoco. They built the desage, the drainage 316 00:20:28,039 --> 00:20:32,039 system to expand Mexico City past the island borders and 317 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,759 pass Lake tex Coco. The flooding directly correlates with the 318 00:20:35,839 --> 00:20:39,880 construction of their de sage. They didn't account for heavy 319 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,160 rainstorms and for heavy rainfall combined with the draining of 320 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:47,240 Lake tex Coco, and this caused the flooding to be 321 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,200 as bad as it was because there was flooding during 322 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,200 the time of the Michiga. But they worked with it. 323 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:59,039 They it was natural. They had wisdom of the land exactly. 324 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:03,839 These dumb bitches didn't, and so it was their fault. 325 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,079 And Mexico City remained flooded for three years from sixteen 326 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,799 twenty nine to sixteen thirty one. Wow. Some sources stated 327 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,400 it was five years. And of course entire neighborhoods were 328 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,319 destroyed building people could only travel on canoes. They had 329 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,279 to build like floating bridges to be able to get by. 330 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,440 And they say that after the five year flooding at 331 00:21:27,559 --> 00:21:32,440 least thirty thousand were dead. Wow. And they felt that 332 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:35,279 the flooding was like some sort of curse, some sort 333 00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:39,279 of like punishment for something. Oh maybe they felt guilty 334 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:42,720 about something. I mean, what for what? I wonder? What for? 335 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,160 I don't know. In an attempt to get the flooding 336 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,640 to stop, the Catholic Church brought over the image of 337 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:54,160 Leavin the Lewyan Maria from Etcro de Payac over to 338 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:57,480 the cathedral and it was a possession of two hundred 339 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:00,799 small built in canoes, and she remained at the cathedral 340 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,079 for five years. Interesting and the following is an account 341 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,920 from Enrico Martinez, a cosmographer, someone who I don't know, 342 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:13,079 makes maps and describes maps and studies maps and maps 343 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:18,839 the world. Well back then maps were new, yeah, and necessary. 344 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:23,519 Well he was also new to New Spain. Quote. While 345 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:26,960 the rains were falling on September twenty first, Saint Matthew's Day, 346 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,400 a dreadful downpour lasted thirty six hours straight. The city 347 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:34,839 was completely flooded. Only part of the palace, the archbishop's houses, 348 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:38,359 Santa Teresace Street, and part of the Plaza Major were 349 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,039 spared from the furious onslaught of the waters. The convents 350 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:46,720 were abandoned, the churches were closed, commerce was paralyzed. Of 351 00:22:46,839 --> 00:22:50,160 twenty thousand Spanish families, only four hundred remained in the 352 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,079 flooded city. The rest had fled to other cities and 353 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,680 towns save from the catastrophe, such as Puebla, Coyocan, Sanagusin 354 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,359 de Las s Cuebas, Tacuba, Mexico, Calsingo, and Texcoco end quote. 355 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:08,440 If only they had all left, right, so yeah, the 356 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,440 flooding part of the legend is absolutely undeniably real, and 357 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:14,839 you could even go to Mexico City today and find 358 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,839 a lion statue that depicts how far the water reached 359 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,319 during these floods. It's on Oh you saw that too 360 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,799 during your tour. I don't remember. Oh, okay, you were 361 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,920 not in like you like you have seen it. It's 362 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,519 on lak Malero, on a corner Maledo and Motolina to 363 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:37,480 be specific. And yeah, it's like over two meters tall 364 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,599 where this lion is at. The exorcism part of the 365 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,720 legend is what cannot be verified at all because there's 366 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:47,799 other exorcism legends and stories that again, like we said, 367 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:50,920 you could find mentions of them in codex says or 368 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,920 old diaries or letters. They're like so and so got 369 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,359 an exorcism, but no, not this one. First mentions of 370 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,279 this legend date back to ninety seventy seven in a 371 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,000 magazine called Fate in their September edition under the title 372 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,160 The Demon in the Cathedral, and it was written by 373 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:14,319 Ramon Pantoja and Freeman Bound. And this story is actually 374 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,920 irually similar to a nineteen sixty five story published in 375 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:22,880 a Mexican magazine called There Ends La Colonia, which featured 376 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:30,240 a story called El Misterio Sepulcro. And so that's seems 377 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,839 to be the origin of this legend from one of 378 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,119 those two magazines, but the legend continues to be told 379 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,119 time and time again. What do you think as a 380 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,440 complete fiction? Was there a demon? Was it? Taloque? Let 381 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,960 us know? But what do you think, Carmen? I think 382 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,759 it's fiction, Yeah, especially once you learn about the magazine. 383 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,720 Yeah stories, Yeah, and if a if part of it 384 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,720 was real, if it happened at all, that was not 385 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:10,079 a demon, that was punishment for the colonization of So yeah, 386 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,480 I just wouldn't I wouldn't want to be real because 387 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,279 I don't want that fate for thre look, you know, 388 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,720 to be locked up away? True? True, that would be 389 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,039 messed up to just lock someone who was once so 390 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,920 beloved and worshiped, right, kind of makes me think of 391 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:32,599 the god of Jaden Shadows my Si, my God, beautiful book. 392 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,640 I love that book. But yeah, that is it for 393 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:51,599 this episode, all right, Like we said, shorter episode. Hmmm, 394 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:55,920 do you have any speaky recommendations? My god, I haven't Eveen, 395 00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:02,039 I haven't even been watching any horror. I watched this 396 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,880 really good anime movie called Tokyo Godfathers. I watch it 397 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,319 like the beginning of the year, so still Christmas time. 398 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,119 Basically it was like January second or something. But yeah, 399 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,039 it's like a honestly one of the best Christmas movies 400 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:21,519 out there. It follows these group of homeless people. It's 401 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,720 a teen, an older guy who's also like a drunk, 402 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,799 and then a trans woman, and they find a baby 403 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,440 and they make it their mission that Christmas is Christmas 404 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,559 when this is all happening, to reunite that baby with 405 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,279 the mother. And then I just it's this journey of 406 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,599 self exploration and I don't know what it means to 407 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,519 be like people in a society caring for each other's 408 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:50,400 beautiful They go through it, they do, and yeah, it 409 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:54,480 was a beautiful movie. I highly recommend it. It's actually 410 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,880 streaming not to be right now, Oh yeah, to be. 411 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,079 We had a lot of good movies, so I guess 412 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,359 that will be my recommendation because yeah, other than that, 413 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,839 I've watched a really good documentary as well, oh, which 414 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,720 one might as well talk about it. Let me go 415 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:18,799 to it. By the way, I'm on letterboxed as a 416 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,079 spooky Christina altogether. If you want to follow me and 417 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,119 my reviews and what I'm watching, that's all on there. 418 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,880 But where is it? Where are you diary? There? It is. 419 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:37,000 It's called The Cover Up, and it's on This one's 420 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,400 on Netflix, and this one let me give you this synopsis. 421 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,119 For the past six decades, Seymour hersh has been at 422 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,079 the front of at the front lines of political journalism 423 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,599 in the US. This engaging documentary, release at a crucial 424 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,599 moment for the freedom of the press, tells the wide 425 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,559 ranging story of this breakthrough reporter. He broke the story 426 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,440 of the my Lay massacre in Vietnam. Oh he also 427 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:07,079 broke another story about the Middle East, but I don't remember. 428 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,839 And in the documentary he's doing a reporting with trusted 429 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,440 sources in Gaza and it just like all I wrote about. 430 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,079 It was from Vietnam to Gaza and important documentary on journalism. 431 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,079 I highly recommend it, especially like right now, what is 432 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,839 it called The Good cover Up? Oh? Okay? What is 433 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,799 it not Netflix? Oh? Okay? And yeah, that's really only why. 434 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:38,039 I also watched this like love movie, romance movie, but 435 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,000 like it was like a punk romance movie today while 436 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:43,839 I was editing where did you find this? Or what 437 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,680 is it? This was on tub and actually shout out 438 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:51,160 to Mikey Parato Junior on both Instagram and TikTok. He 439 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,960 has so many recommendations. My watch list has grown so 440 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,200 much because of him. But I saw him talk about 441 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,599 the movie on TikTok and I was like, interesting, and 442 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,079 then get where it was streaming to be, I just 443 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,960 popped out. I love to be like hold on, hold 444 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,759 on to Be. But yeah, this came out in twenty twenty. 445 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,759 It's an independent film and let me read you the 446 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:18,279 synopsis and on the lamp, punk rocker and a young 447 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:21,480 woman obsessed with a local band go on an unexpected 448 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:24,559 and epic journey together through the Decayne suburbs of the 449 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,559 American Midwest. And at first I was like, what the 450 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,640 fuck am I watching? Like this is fucking weird, and 451 00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:33,759 then after that I was like, You're like, oh, this 452 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,480 is beautiful. I want what they have. Oh this is 453 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,319 the best love story I have ever seen. Because at 454 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,279 first you're like, Okay, I get it. You're an angry 455 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,160 punk rocker, you're mad at the world, Okay. And also 456 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,359 there's like a lot of like our slurer word usage. 457 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,759 It feels like this movie would have been made in 458 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,000 like twenty ten, but it was made in twenty twenty. 459 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,839 But then by the end of it, I I was 460 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,400 spruting for them. It was it was beautiful and it's 461 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,240 actually stars. Do you remember the guy that gets killed 462 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,480 in Jennifer's body. I think that's where you would recognize 463 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,839 him the most, the one that was the boyfriend. No, 464 00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:19,759 the like punk rocker who has a crush on Jennifer. Oh, okay, 465 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,920 or you know, I don't know Goth. I don't know 466 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,960 what he's supposed to be in Jenan's body anyway, him 467 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,000 what's his name, Kyle? I would not know his name anyway, 468 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:33,240 Kyle Gallner, Gawner. He's he's like a scream queen, but 469 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,880 you know guy scream King. Yeah, yeah, I recognize him. 470 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,000 He's in everything horror related. But I think you would 471 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,279 recognize him the most from Jennifer's body. But yeah, he's 472 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,039 the punk rocker, of course he is, Like who else 473 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:50,359 would it be. He's been a typecast, yes, yes, but no, 474 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,119 by the end of it, I was like, no, this 475 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,440 was actually good. But in the beginning, I was like, 476 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,279 I might stop this it was very Napoleon Dyna. My 477 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,559 meets like I don't know, five hundred days of Summer 478 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,160 except like five hundred except they're punk rockers. Yeah. Yeah, well, no, 479 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,079 the girl is like a very awkward she's I think 480 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,400 she was supposed to be like a manic pixie dream girl. 481 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,920 But it's past that this girl is an autistic queen. 482 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,559 So it was it was a it was overall, it 483 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,160 was good. I do interesting. Okay, now that's enough. That's 484 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,799 one of my recommendations, none of them spooky. Yeah, I 485 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,319 really I haven't really been watching much. I just finished 486 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:37,640 listening to the four Brag cartel. Oh that was really good. Interesting. 487 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,720 It's a nonfiction, I guess, investigative expose on the crimes 488 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:47,839 and corruption done by the special forces, including the Dots 489 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,079 of Force. And this is gonna sound like a ticktook 490 00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:54,039 video that I'm about to U record it sound like 491 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:55,960 what like a TikTok video that I just recorded it 492 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,559 because I just remember what I said then, so I see, 493 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,599 I felt could timely read because it identally, the Delta 494 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,160 Force was involved in the abduction of my little that 495 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:13,119 recently happened, and they are notoriously the Delta Force known 496 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,640 for drug trafficking and drug consumption. Yeah, the very thing 497 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,160 that My Little was being is being accused of. So 498 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:30,000 a little little silly situation there, right, and also timely 499 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:35,079 because the author, who is an investigative journalist, Seth Harp, 500 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,519 is being subpoena by some committee in Congress or whatever 501 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:45,720 because he published publicly available information on one of the 502 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,119 commanders in the Delta Force that was involved in the 503 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:55,400 My Little operation. He's been accused of doxcene, but public 504 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,839 He's been subpoena for that supposed dox scene, which was 505 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,839 not doc scene because again it was publicly available information. 506 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,000 And so it really is just a suppression of his 507 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,799 first memon rights as a member of the press mm hm, 508 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,440 which is something the administration has been doing. Yeah, suppressing yeah, 509 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:19,960 premous speech. So yeah, yeah it was good. I will 510 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:24,319 say there was one part where Seth Harp just casually 511 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,480 mentions like the Wuhan lab Laque conspiracy, as if it 512 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:35,519 was real. I don't believe in that conspiracy. It's been debunked, 513 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,880 and he just says, I'm like, oh, the it was 514 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,200 like I think he was referring to something that happened 515 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,880 during COVID and he's like, oh COVID when it was 516 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,160 leafd fro the Wuhan lab and I was like, what, 517 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,519 oh I saw excuse me? Did you just say that 518 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,240 Seth did Seth? But other than that, I mean the 519 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:59,839 information that he had a lot of it has been corroborated. 520 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,079 Is the actual some things that's like, oh, so and 521 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,360 so said this and that about like family members involved 522 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,159 with those and adulta hordes and whatnot. But it was 523 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,039 still like an important read and a lot of it. 524 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,760 I think it's true. So I've been meanting to read that. 525 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,480 I have the audiobook and listen to it, and I 526 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:26,239 still haven't listened to it. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, 527 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,679 well I guess this brings us to the end of 528 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:34,159 the episode. All right, I don't know. Free from the 529 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:40,880 Cathedral hashtag free track from the Cathedral. Yes, stay spooking. 530 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,119 We'll catch everyone next time. Bye Bye. Book Tells is 531 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,360 hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and edited by Christina, 532 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,559 researched by Christina Carmen, and with the help of Don 533 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,519 Shout out with Don. If you're enjoying the podcast considerably, 534 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:56,800 gonna say five star review. 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