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Speaker 2: From the Era of Time promos and file divers miss
ninety name, welcome time travelers to the nine these pass
cast July twentieth, nineteen ninety six, to be exact, of course,
always taking you through the pro rustling torch. This week
we have issue at number three ninety seven, and on
the other side of the mic Alex McDonald. Hey Alex,
how you doing good?
Speaker 3: Good, good good? We're here in nineteen ninety six. The
end of O is upon us, and I know we
have trivia and stuff, so I promise I won't take
up too much time. But I thought of something that
I wanted to ask you that just no way would
have fit into like our three hour marathon last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ghost sir, I'm always up for your random questions.
Speaker 3: If WCW had invaded WWF instead. I'm sorry, the end
OFO had invaded w WWF instead. Yeah, who would the
three people have been that WF put up against Hogan.
Speaker 2: Holl And No, Oh okay, Well let me think about this,
because if we're thinking about the reality of the situation,
I don't think Brett Hart would be included because we're
actually gonna report on this even more so. I mean,
this is something we've been reporting on for the last
few weeks. But he's not interested in coming back right now,
so I don't even think i'd pick him. Sean would
be one. Yeah, absolutely, Sean would be one, which is
funny because of course, you know everyone knows Sean and
National Hall are buddies. And then it gets a little murky.
Well it taker will be two. Yeah, agree, it's a
little murky from there. It could be someone like am
Ed Johnson, because again, thinking of the time that we're in,
he's still a big deal. He's the intercremental Champion. It
could be and I think this is more like in
the Brett category. It could be Warrior, but again he's
in the Brett category because he's suspended. Yeah, he's gone,
so that's an Iffy, it gets really tough. Sean is Taker?
Are your clear cuts?
Speaker 3: I think the obvious answer is Sean bretton Taker, and
then you throw in the caveat that Brett's not here
and doesn't want to come in. That's where I'm at
that that would be my three Well, and what's funny
is I think that makes it less obvious because I
don't think they would use Taker either.
Speaker 2: And why why is that? Because elsewhere?
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think they would want to use somebody else.
And the reason I ask this is because everything you
just said I thought of, and the team I came
up with is ironically the three man team that they
have at the next paper view.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, oh, don't forget about me exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like. And the other part too, is I think
that's the other reason they don't use Taker, because it
would be Sean and two really big guys against Hogan,
Nash Hall, and I don't think they would go with
the double like Taker and Sid.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. Yeah, they wouldn't do that. Yeah,
that's one thing we didn't talk about for last week's
pay per view is that you know, Luger and Sting
are are big guys. But they're not thought of as
big guys like Sing is a pretty big dude, and
Luger obviously is just like a jack dude. But I
think if you when you pair them against someone like
Scott Hall and Kevin Nash specifically, like they don't look
they don't look you know, they look either as big
as Hall or maybe even a little bit smaller.
Speaker 3: Or do you want to guess how tall Sting is? Uh?
Speaker 2: Six three?
Speaker 3: You're really close. He's six to two. Okay, I would
have actually guessed he was shorter than that. Surprised. Yeah,
let's do Lex Luger.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess he's about I want to. I would
say six two. I'm just gonna go just a touch
smaller six one.
Speaker 3: Apparently he's six six, which I don't true. Way, that's yeah,
Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry as an offensive lineman, so
this is more real six three, all right? All right?
Speaker 2: That I can I can get back. Yeah, And Hall
was like, what six five? Maybe?
Speaker 3: No, Scott Hall is sixty seven, he's the same height.
Speaker 2: As whole Coga.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then of course Nash is like, what seven or
just below.
Speaker 3: They say seven, so he's probably six ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like that's what I'm getting at. They you know,
you don't people always say and Brett Hark, he's like
six one, I think are perfect definitely with six ones,
like those guys are big. Yeah, obviously not in the
world with Rustling. I just mean generally speaking. Remember I
remember the one pay per view I think it was
in your house last year, sit in uh Diesel and
million dollar Man. It's its manager, And I just remember
commenting that Sid rolls to the outside and like DBAs
is like pretty.
Speaker 3: Damn tall he is. Yes, yeah, So that's another example.
DBAs is like six four sixty five, Like yeah, legitimately.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we're getting off topic. But anyway, that's I think.
I think most people would pick the guys that we
picked in some way.
Speaker 3: I think so too. I I like the idea also
of Dobef just going bizarro and being like, no, these
are the guys that are going to defend our company
and it's undertaker mankind invader.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see that too.
Speaker 3: Managed by gold Dust and Paul Bear. Well.
Speaker 2: The thing about that is they could have done something
goofy like that, but it would have actually reinforced the
severity of the angle it really would agree. Yeah, we
have to put our best foot forward, you know, heels
and faces. Obviously they wouldn't say it that way, but
like you have to put all that aside and just
fight for the company, and that's what you that's probably
the way you'd want to.
Speaker 3: Book it, you well, not only the fact that, like
you're pushing Mankind is like a psychopath who doesn't care
about his own well being. If you needed to protect
your company, that's the guy you pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree. I like that idea. And maybe
that's back to the Viciiti version of this, Like maybe
that's where it would have made more sense to have
like a flare in there. Like I'm okay with the
three they had, but I'm just thinking from a let's
throw a heel in there, which I guess you could
say Luger was a heel, but he definitely played like
the in between.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean kind of if if they had gone
with Luber as a heel champion first, which we talked
about off our times, that would have been that would
have made the team a little more interesting. But it
is agree, it.
Speaker 2: Is well, a lot of feedback, some of it we'll
get to in the email shortly from the pay per
view last week. Of course Bash at the Beach and
Alex was not joking. Three hours and I think fifteen
minutes was the runtime, and we run the gamut in
really in detail of what happened in the show and
how it went down. So check that out if you
didn't or if you did, and when you do, you
can email us at towrspasscast at gmail dot com. We
will get to the issue in a second, but we
do have a pretty good amount of email sikat too,
and I think you're going to kick it off over
there for us.
Speaker 3: We are, so our first three are all from Dennis.
His first one, thanks so much to Paul for his
live take of the show. Great insight, very well done
and it's very much appreciated. I should have clarified that's
Dennis two point zero. We'll hear from Dennis one point
zero the OTD a little bit later. So Dennis also
says Dennis two point oh. That is I've been listening
the last few weeks, but it's summer, it's busy, and
the World Cup is on. My son Harry and my
wife are in Lords this week having a great time.
But he's going to be home this weekend to watch
the World Cup final. Did you see any of the
World Cup? Has it caught on? This time more than
last time? In ninety eight, the USA lost every single game,
including one to Iran, and on Monday Night Raw after
that loss, Jerry Lawler said, if USA had won any
game at the Soccer World Cup, I'd have been even
more embarrassed. Dennis said he was watching it live in America.
Before we move on, this is one of those times
where we talk a lot about like a lot about
stuff off the air, and I don't remember sometimes what
makes it on the show and what doesn't because we
definitely talked about the World Cup, and evidently none of
that was while the red light was on, so none
of nobody knows that. I would say it was bigger
this time than previous because people thought the United States
was actually good. I never really thought that.
Speaker 2: But well, we also hosted a lot of the games too,
so that was.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And from my perspective, I might have a
skewed perspective because my father in law lives with me
now and he got really into it, and I just
I don't work as much as I used to so
I was home every day and was able to watch
the three o'clock games and the five o'clock games with him,
so I was more into it. But again, so my
perception is it was bigger. But I don't know if
that's just like a circumstance kind of thing.
Speaker 2: On my end, I would say, for me, it's gonna
sound so silly. I like the idea of it, and
like just the everyone getting kind of rallied behind watching
it and tuning it, tuning into it. I just I
don't it's not for me in general. But I did
watch a few games, but again it's more like the
idea of it than the actual let me tune in
and watch every second that said, I mean, I know
it was like Dennis is asking him, like it was
bigger here. I think it got pretty big a few
years ago when the women's team was so good. Obviously
they won and when they went to two times forget,
that was probably the biggest it was. But because it
was here, I think a lot of it. For example,
there were games in Philadelphia, which is near me, in
New Jersey a few hours away, and in my state,
so it was pretty big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with all that and I think I
think you're more accurate in saying that it was because
it was hosted here as a big part of it.
The other part, too, is I don't know what's gonna
happen next time. I think it's it's definitely in a
European country, and I don't know how the hell that's
gonna work with what time this stuff is gonna be
on TV.
Speaker 2: That's a great point too. For us, the time was
a big factor. Yeah, I don't, like, just speaking for
myself as a non soccer fan, non football fan, I
wouldn't go out of my way to watch one that
starts at like midnight or eleven whatever whatever it is
to your point.
Speaker 3: And it's funny you say that because that was like
the cutoff time in our house too. Yeah was there
was games on it at three and five, and it's like, oh,
that works out like really well for our schedule. We'll
do that. And but like if it started at nine
or nine thirty, it's like, yeah, that's just not gonna happen, right,
And so I totally understand where you're coming from. If
some of this stuff is starting at midnight, like it's
an easy Nope.
Speaker 2: I think we're just killing Dennis soup Puino's spirit right now.
By the way, I'm not trying to No, we're not
trying to do at all. Just just you know, notching
the peg where he puts us on his pedestal will
probably just fell a few.
Speaker 3: I'll get some of it back. I really really like
the tall guy that plays for Norway, and killing him
Bape is awesome.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: I just realized that he's in Ireland and I don't
remember watching them play.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, no, there, they weren't in it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Yeah, there you go. You just knocked
us down the pedestal reminding.
Speaker 2: I'll give him a factoid though. Here Dennis, a coworker
told me this. So apparently after Ireland didn't make it,
a few of their players like moved over to the
England team. That's funny, that fact but yeah, it's hopefully
it's true. So let me know, Dennis, if I if
I that right?
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Speaker 3: Back to Dennis, here, did you see Cody Homlander trying
to kick an American football over the posts? No?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that. I wonder how he did well.
Speaker 3: Based on the next sentence, I think this will tell
you there, Dennis said, I don't know if I can
take him any in any way serious anymore. After seeing
the video, Ben, my seven year old would at least
do as badly as that, But even at that, I'd
stop talking to him for the car journey home afterwards,
Dennis says, he's joking. I'll try to link it below.
It did not work, by the way, Dennis. Anyway, thanks
for the great podcast. I think I know why Triah
is so bitter and miffed about the nineteen ninety six
King of the Ring situation. I think he thinks that
if he had won it, he'd have gone on to
superstardom like Stone Cold. Do not think he's not delusional
enough and power hungry to think he'd. I've come up
with lines as good as stone Cult did. Austin took
the greatest shot in history that night at King of
the Ring. I believe he'd have been awesome anyway. Totally agree.
But still, if you're given one clear shot at something,
it's hard to think of anyone that took that better
in any form of sports entertainment as him. It wasn't overnight,
but he laid foundations to build a skyscraper on the
reason we know it was an instant is because SummerSlam
is coming up soon. Take care and enjoy the World
Cup Final if you watch it. There's only one every
four years. And then our last one here from Dennis O'Brien. Alex,
you just said, imagine if Sonny and Marty Jennetti had
ended up together. Well, I've got news for you. It
couldn't have went any worse, could it? And did this happen?
And we don't know?
Speaker 2: No, But when he wrote, when I read this, I
was like, you know what, Dennis is actually right, It
probably couldn't have been worse. Well, I guess, I mean,
I guess the only thing worse is if you know
they they don't live to the age as they are now.
I mean, that's kind of bad. But like otherwise, I mean,
they didn't do pretty, they didn't do very well on
their own. I guess it's the point here, So bring
them together.
Speaker 3: There is something that would have been much worse.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, like a kid. Yes, yes, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: A Sonny Jeannetti third piece would make things much worse.
Speaker 2: Sonny Jeannetti sounds like an eighties wrestler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised that wasn't the name Sonny used once
she went into porn. Okay, moving to mark here with
our figure of the week. After a last week's episode,
I was convinced to change course in how to celebrate
the biggest thing to happen to WCW in the nineteen nineties.
So this week's figure of the week is the nineteen
ninety glube tom Zinc. Yes time, I mean he was
in the top twelve of stars. He had a figure
at that time. So we'll talk about this before I
continue the email here. I have one question about all
of these globe figures. Why do they all come with
the belt?
Speaker 2: I think that's a terrible feature. I hate this. I
have a bunch of them over in the corner here.
Some of them have the belt. I don't think all
of them do, but yeah, it's terrible, really stupid. Maybe
they were ahead of their time they thought, oh, you know,
people aren't going to play with these, They're just gonna
put them on the shelf. Maybe I'm just kidding, but
really the thing about the globe though, they were unplayable,
but they were very well designed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. Most of them look really good.
Speaker 2: They do, except for the stupid face that Tom Zinks
putting on in the card. Here he looks like he's
saying I have a figure.
Speaker 3: And farting simultaneously. M hmm.
Speaker 2: For those either trying to hold one in or push
one out and I can't tell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one or the other. So the best part
of this figure is looking at the other people they
released and really realizing how out of place Tom Zenk is.
Speaker 2: You're not wrong.
Speaker 3: So here's the rest of this set, Rick Flair, Arnie Anderson,
Barry Wyndham, sid Sting, Lex Luger, Ron Simmons, Butcher Read,
Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner, and fly In Brian Pillman and
then yes like speed. Remember I said last week WI
should have fired people. They should. If I are that guy,
the guy who came up with z Man as his
twelve person.
Speaker 2: This is ninety. Let me think about who else was
wrestling in ninety there. Yeah, he was there. I think
I don't know if Steamboat hung around a little bit ninety,
Funk might have been there for a little bit ninety.
This guy's an indicative that picked I'm also looking down
below that back it says clip and save.
Speaker 3: It was a little like card looking at you. Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 2: Almost like a business card for Tom Zank So you
can clip out his stupid face with his name and
his like measurements. His favorite holds the Dropkick and the
Sleeper and his motto is stay single. Wow.
Speaker 3: The Dropkick and the Sleeper is the most like generic
Creator Wrestler finishing move set ever.
Speaker 2: Amazing, So.
Speaker 3: Onto the real set. Here the brand new Mattel Bash
at the Beach three pack. This set, as opposed to
last week's, has much better packaging. I think the coolest
feature is that it comes with garbage to display with
the figures. This should be hitting stores any day now,
but it is a Walmart exclusive, and as Alex noted,
Walmart has terrible distribution. I have a similar haul in Nash,
but I can find I may get to keep in
box as I'm a huge nWo mark agree on the packaging.
They really knocked it out of the park with the
Bash at the Beach kind of theme of it, and
again they all have the attires that we described on
last week's episode.
Speaker 2: I think the addition of the garbage is incredible and smart.
I don't know how you can't, like, you know, Mark
says it like you can display it with that. That's fine,
I mean a Matt. I like the idea of that.
I don't know how it comes off in execution. You
al were talking about the packaging and it looks looks
really well done. I like the Hogan figure, but I'm
not sold on the face. Agreed, it might be the
only time you see this like like sneer on his
face and it's like well done. But if you look
in the back of the packaging, he's like cackling.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if you they went that road or down
that road, I think it would have better. This one's
like you know, when you like draw a face and
instead of like you know, you just the eyebrows, you
like draw them like pointed inward. It's almost like they
just did that for the mold here. They just like
drew his eyebrows wrong.
Speaker 3: Well. And what's funny about it two is they have
a second head for Scott Hall, and I would have
rather the second head for Hogan.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, to solve that problem, I think that
would have been easy. But otherwise I'm nitpicking, really, but yeah,
I know, here's cool. He's got like the boots, you know,
the red leotard I don't really call it, but the tights,
and then like the yellow boots that's pretty sweet. And
then of course the tear away sure, which is always
a nice addition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, thank you very much. Mark, We like all
of those. I don't know what your choice is going
to be next week, but with comic Con, Mattel has
given you a lot of AMMO coming up here pretty soon.
Speaker 2: Well, he's already burned through the toms Inc. Well, and
so I guess we can't do that one again.
Speaker 3: That's okay, okay, Yeah, sure, I don't think we'll ever
talk about tom Zinc again. And last week it's because
it was an accident.
Speaker 2: I can't I don't even know why we talked about him,
and don't don't answer it. I'm just one I'm saying,
I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody has to email us and tell us the
context of the conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 3: Onto Dennis two point zero or I'm sorry, Dennis one
point zero. A great job going back and giving your
views of what you were seeing thirty years later. I
continue to I love the chemistry between the two of
you as hosts. It's been a fun four plus years.
A couple of things that I always picked up on
that you didn't talk about. Hogan is a giant dork.
I always thought Nation Hall were just cool, not trying
to be, not doing anything other than being themselves, and
they were just cool. Hogan, on the other hand, was
never cool, and he immediately shows how not cool he
is after the second leg drop. Hogan drops the leg,
stands up and gives the cool kids the thumbs up,
saying I'm cool now too, right, guys, I still laugh
every time I see the clip. So real quick, we
talked about I don't know at some point in the
last month that we always thought nation Hall were cool,
and both of us just kind of hated Hogan, like
we thought he was like the actual heel, but they
we kind of wanted to like the other guys. Sure,
I always thought of him as like old I guess,
I guess I never thought of the dorky thing, But
now that you're saying that, I see it. I just
as a kid, I thought he was like the old
guy trying to fit in with the young guys, even
though they're actually like not that far apart in age,
but and at that time they see it seemed like
they were it does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree with you. I agree. I never
thought he was kind of a dorky guy. I can
see what is being said here, though it makes sense.
I think you see it for me. I think I
see it more in like maybe a year or so.
Remember when he wears like that, it's not even like
a do rag, but it's almost like a like a hat.
It's like a I don't even know how, like a
knitted hat or something like as if it's like a
winter hat. But it's not. I can't, I can't explain it.
Maybe you can help me out here. But oh, beanie,
it's like a beanie, but it's got it's almost like
that long.
Speaker 3: Street Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's a pointy beanie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really all it's. That's where to me, he
looks like a dork and just playing a young guy.
That's like, hey, fellow teenagers, how you do? Yes? You know,
he's like fifty.
Speaker 3: I think the doorkey is he gets is when Bischoff
gives him the motorcycle and then him and Bischoff jerk
each other off all over the motorcycle. You remember that
I did? I did. Yeah, that's like, it's that, and
then what you're talking about with the the beanie, that's
a good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the icing on all of that cake is
later in WCW where he becomes stone cold hul Cogan
and he calls everybody bitch, yeah, and he wears the
fu new Blood jacket. Remember that, that's right?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So here's the thing though, I mean, I
understand what Dennis is saying here, but do you think
part of his spiel like to give him credit a
little bit or maybe propose him getting credit. Is he
doing that because he knows it's quote dorky and or
I'm the old guy to act cool like in order
to get over as a heel even more on the
gimmick here.
Speaker 3: I think it's I don't know how to answer that.
With the thumbs up, I think he's trying to I
think he's trying to signal with the thumbs up that
he actually cares about the approval of the heels, but
he does not realize it makes him look like a goofball.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with that too. I mean that's
mostly his mo o and his life just doesn't realize
he's a goofball.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he was more trying to make sure
that he got across that, like, not only does he
hate Savage, but he is in fact with these other two.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, I a good call out there by Dennis.
I never thought of the dorky element, which is obviously
a big point of his email here, and I can
definitely see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One more historical thing with Gene is this, I
agree mean, Jene being there is one of the best
things of the entire night. People like myself who were
in their later teens in ninety six remember Hogan and
Gene even teaming together in the WF So him being
in the ring was really needed. W CB hitting on everything.
This is one of those rare cases where w CB
hits with what they are trying to do. The issue
with all of this and other big storylines that get
over huge is their lack of knowing how to write
an ending. We've talked about this one hundred times, so
great call out, Dennis. This is a huge issue in
the movie world. Horror movies, which are my favorite often
are good, too great for about sixty to seventy minutes,
and then the last ten to twenty is garbage, which
is the NBO story in a nutshell, except it's flipped.
The first ten to twenty minutes quotations are good and
the rest is garbage.
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Speaker 3: Some other quick notes from last week. Sonny and Candido
never officially got married. Barry Wyndham's last match in WCW
was in nineteen eighty four, when he was the six
foot seven, three hundred pound blonde they hyped up to
go against Flair.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 3: That is right. Yeah. Wyndham then re injured his knee
and was out for two years. The original plan coming
into WF supposed to be back in a tag team
with I R S in the million dollar corporation and
be called New Money Inc. My question is, if he's
teaming with I R S, then what government agency is
Wyndham going to be?
Speaker 2: Well, if it was twenty twenty yeah, twenty twenty six,
we could have a field date with that one.
Speaker 3: Well obviously because Barry Wyndham would clearly be like what's
whatever rfk's title was.
Speaker 2: So I was thinking, yeah, uh, had a CDC or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I feel like Wyndham would be like
fish and wildlife, but that doesn't go with the I
R S.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, firearms and tobacco.
Speaker 3: Oh ATF Yes maybe yes, ATF and I R S.
Speaker 2: I think we've got it. Yeah, that's and he could
still be the gimmick he has later this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, why not?
Speaker 2: Why not? Who cares?
Speaker 3: That's when he goes undercover here you go. Yeah, okay,
So final an email from my side. This is Paul
again to your question last week about did Dusty and
Bobby walk off leaving Tony at the broadcast position alone. No,
they all three walked off like nothing had happened. Once
I guess the credits started rolling. That's when the lights
overhead of the broadcast area went off and they left.
That's what I was saying the email you read. Had
they choreographed that departure better, it would have looked even
more realistic.
Speaker 2: Fair clarification.
Speaker 3: Yep, thank you very much, Paul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Paul of course being a big integral piece
of our show last week with all the in person
takeaways of the ninety six bash. So that's great stuff.
Thank you, Paul. All Right, you talked about it. We've
got trivia for you, Alex. Looks like we have five
questions from Dennis, of course, and I gotta tell you
I didn't read these at all, so I have no
idea what's coming. I can't tell you if they're hard
or not or whatever. It is, just for context. You
haven't done this in a few weeks. You're still up,
of course, shocker one hundred and thirteen to my one
to eight and a half. So you're gonna obviously pad
your lead today, all things willing on your end. Let's
go question number one one night only gimmicks. What now
legendary tag team donned masks for one night only and
played the Jinks brothers. That's it. There's no clarification, there's
no hints, there's nothing.
Speaker 3: What year is it?
Speaker 2: I don't know nothing.
Speaker 3: So you don't even know what year it is.
Speaker 2: I I think I do. I see either. I have
got two years in my head. I'm not saying, but no,
I've got a range. I'll say I've got a range
in my head.
Speaker 3: Well edgend Christian were the conquistadors? That's not helpful. I
don't know what a Jink's brother is.
Speaker 2: I can actually visualize them. I actually I do recall this,
and I do. I think I believe I narrowed down
the here.
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't even have a guess.
How about the Nasty Boys? That's my guess, one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent, no final answer. All right, it actually is
the Hardy Boys. I'm pretty sure. Yes, if you google them,
just google the Jinks brothers and images you'll see them.
It looks like it was on a Superstar, so I
was a little I think this was ninety six just
from the looks of it. Wildo or Wildo Wildo and
Ingus Jinx.
Speaker 3: I've never seen this before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if it's on the Superstars randomly in nineteen
ninety six, I think it's a tough one. All right,
Number two. I'm in the weeds for this one. But
I heard this fact and thought it would make for
a good trivia question against the great one Alex MacDonald.
Oh great in nineteen ninety Marty Jannetti was having issues
keeping a job in nineteen eighty nine and nineteen eighty seven. Okay,
never someone six, Yeah, someone was taped to replace Marty
in the Rockers, but it never excused me. Tapped to
replace Marty and the Rockers, It never actually happened. Then,
in a bit of irony, on this wrestler's last night
in the company, rustling the House show, he teamed with
Marty to defeat the Orient Express. So in a weird way,
he's the third Rocker. Can you tell me who this
wrestler is?
Speaker 3: I think I know this, but I don't know how
true that story is. Not that I'm questioning Dennis. I'm
questioning the person that told Dennis that I this is
more because and he worked there at the time. I
think I've heard this before, and I think it's Shane Douglas.
Speaker 2: You are correct, Yeah, I think it's Shane Douglas. One fourteen.
All right, so I read ahead this one while you
were answering this one. Have a I have a gripe
with this one, but I'll let you. I'll I'll actually
let you answer what Dennis's answer is and what I
think the actual answer is, and you'll know what I mean.
In a second number three. I figured i'd dial it
back after that one and just have a straightforward, maybe
easy question. Who ended mister Perfect's original winning streak?
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I I mean it's a mania, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything.
Speaker 3: It's not Warrior. Well maybe, Eh, This is hard though,
because like I think he loses to Hogan on a
house show. But I don't think that's the answer because
I don't think that's the spirit of the question. I
want to say it's Warrior, but I don't think that's
Warrior because I think I think I'm thinking of Honky
tonk Man.
Speaker 2: It's not Tatanka, that's for sure. It's amazing that give
to Tanka more of a hoopla around his wing streak
and mister Perfect kind of just like just happened.
Speaker 3: Hey, it was perfect.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, it's strange.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's beefcake.
Speaker 2: All right, Yes, that's what Dennis has here. But ironically,
I believe it actually is a warrior at an MSG show.
I've seen it to WrestleMania six.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is I think that's what's screwing
me up is because first of all, I think every
person we named is right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ogan Doo, I gave you the point either way, Like,
I'm totally fine with it. I just I do believe
that it was a warrior at MSG like a week
before many or something like really and and and here's
the thing, just just to be clear, if the question
said like televised that, that's one hundred percent accurate. Well,
so anyway, number four, can you tell me the last
NWA TNA champion. Angle is the first ever TEENA champion
and won that in a triple threat after the NWA
pulled their title from the TNA shows.
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's this is a complicated answer too, because
I argue that it's Angle because he was the champion
when they swapped it.
Speaker 2: But at least Dennis gave you the clarity of what
yeah heard of what he's looking for.
Speaker 3: I just I feel I feel like they didn't give
him that. I could be misremembering this, but I feel
like they didn't give him the TNA title until like
after the pay per view, you know what I mean,
Like he won and then they gave it like yeah, yeah,
Like I could be totally misremembering that, but I feel
like that's what happened. Okay, So in that era, the
other choices they were he used to put the title
on Samoa Joe for like forever, So even though he
should be the answer, it's not him. So the other possibilities.
This sounds really messed up, and I apologize, but I
don't know if this is the same time when Jared's
wife died or not. So he's one of my possibilities
because I'm not one thousand percent sure of that timeline
because I think all of that stuff happens at the
same time. Okay, so jaredt Sting, Christian Cage, and then Joe,
but it's it's not Joe, so it's got to be
one of them. So I'm gonna go with Sting just
because I can't narrow down the Jarrett Thing, and I
think Christian had already turned at that point, so I
think it's I think it's sting.
Speaker 2: It is Christian Cage. God damn it, you had it.
You're in the bulk, all right. Number five, last question.
This one's a tough one. I didn't know this one.
Can you tell me the sixth money in the bank winner?
It was the last to be held at WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: Okay, twenty one is Edge, twenty two is Rob van Dam,
twenty three is mister Kennedy, twenty four is cmpunk Uh
twenty five? Oh you know what it's it's missing in
it's miss final answers. It has to be because that's
how he wins the thing to defend it the following year.
And if oh wait, wait, wait wait, is that bad math?
Because hang on a second, the first pay per view,
the first money in the bank pay per view is
when Punk leaves with the title, and that's after twenty seven,
and that's in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Right, I think it's twenty ten.
Speaker 3: Which would mean that the last money in the bank
at WrestleMania is twenty six and mizzen in cash is
in money in the bank to win the title. To
defend it against Sena. Am I like misremembering all that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just asking the questions. Although I do
love how you're calling him missing in.
Speaker 3: Oh Am, I supposed to just call him miss his
name is missing.
Speaker 2: I don't. It's just funny that you never hear anyone
call him by his name Zan and whatever itsality.
Speaker 3: I'm like really bothered by this because I feel.
Speaker 2: Like Dennis Well Alex is figuring out over there. I
think you broke them this week.
Speaker 3: Unless my math is really oh, I'm stupid. No, No,
that's not it, because twenty one, twenty three, twenty four,
twenty five, twenty six, I'm right about the number. But
it's not because they had two belts. I'm stupid. It's
it's the other guy. It's not oh my god, all
those people that they hired that didn't work.
Speaker 2: Out, well, that's the long last dude.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but you remember that time period where like
everybody they brought in, like Kennedy and of course Rio
and like everybody they did in Carlito, like everybody they
tried just didn't work out. Masters he was the other one.
But this guy they tried, he's the jackass that just
got knocked out on Dana White's show. What the what
the hell is his wrestling name?
Speaker 2: Oh to you because you're gonna love this. Uh, the
answer is Jack I got knocked the f out on
Power Slap Swagger.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: That's how ye answers the question here or gives the
answer here. Okay, you got it. I give it to you.
Speaker 3: Well because because he he beats Oh, I don't remember.
It's like the worst world title run in like the
history of that company with that You remember that with
the the the big gold bell. I mean, not like
every yeah, you know what I mean, but like I.
Speaker 2: Well, well done, especially that nice ending one sixteen So
I think was that three? He got three right there?
So I have some work to do. Hopefully maybe I'll
get a chance to do that next week.
Speaker 3: I'm pissed off about that T and A thing.
Speaker 2: That You're gonna have a tough sleep tonight, I can tell.
Speaker 3: I really wish I remembered that timeline better. And I
would like to point out is Sting the Does it
have any answer if Sting is the third person in
the match.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't say, didn't clarify.
Speaker 3: I'm really curious, didn't have.
Speaker 2: Like a date or anything either.
Speaker 3: So it's like September, I think, is it? That's why
that's why I'm thrown off, because it's like it's not
at one of their big shows. It was like a
weird thing that happened.
Speaker 2: Were they finished doing weekly shows by then?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what they were already on Spike at that point.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, so the end title actually lasts longer
than I was envisioning.
Speaker 3: Oh no, like five or six years?
Speaker 2: Interesting? Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's pivot here to issue three ninety seven
again week of July twenty, nineteen ninety six. It's worth
noting that the major, the main headline here is about
UFC ten. Right before he went on air, Alex and
I were like, we're not talking about UFC ten. It's
nineteen ninety six. It's UFC. It's not gonna happen. But
if you would love to talk about UFC ten, you
can mosey on over to the Torch website VIP of course,
and read it for yourself.
Speaker 3: Wake me up when Brad Lessner shows up.
Speaker 2: There is a call out though, on the main page
for a pretty significant headline here WF securing hunter Hurst
Helmsley while also losing the one two three kid so
more movement here as ninety six has been the year
of movement between the companies. Wade says one two three
Kid Sean Waltman is headed to WCW this month, while
fellow Click member Triple H committed to three more years
with WWF. Kid was ready to return to the ring
after several months, but the WF all for him a choice,
even though his contract didn't expire until February of ninety seven.
He would is allowed to follow Scott holland Kevin Nash
to WCW. Kid was seen as both an asset and
a risk by the company, and they didn't want him
around if he was gonna be unhappy or unreliable. The
Kid gave his notice on Friday and is awaiting his
official release, at which point he will sign the multi
year deal with w CW. He'll likely joined Hall, Nash,
and Hogan in the New World Order. The plan is
for nWo to eventually consist of five wrestlers, if only
the fifth being Jeff Jarrett, who can sign with ww
as of October. Let me pause here for a second.
Two things that I want to call out here. One
perfect timing for the NDO to get another member at
some point once you know Walton's delay able to jump
over there and just again a great alignment with you know,
the idea of what this endo is really taking over
WCW and like lo and behold. I mean, maybe he's
not a big at this point, but it's like, here's
another WF guy that's going to join our ranks and
it's just like really well timing.
Speaker 3: Agreed, great stuff, Yeah, agreed, And you know Wallman fits.
He's also a part of the what's the best way
I can put this. He can almost play it like
WF didn't use him enough and like he didn't get
it an opportunity. I don't think they'd do that with him,
but like they could, they could play into that. And
obviously he fits the aesthetic. People who are in the
know know he's friends with these guys already, so it
contributes to the the realness of it, if you will. Yeah,
he was paired with Scott Hall on screen too, so yeah,
it works, it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get a little bit of a look into
his heel persona. I mean when I say a little bit,
I mean he's a full on heel in WF toward
the end, but it's just kind of like kind kind
of the cry baby.
Speaker 3: Literally.
Speaker 2: I know they did the baby match, but that's what
I was going for. He just kind of like a baby,
like like a literal baby as a heel.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why he didn't grow the beard in uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably evinced decision. But that's a good call.
That's a good call. But again I'm trying to not
say too much because we know how he is in
ws W as like a character. So my point here
is I have faith that he will be able to
turn it on.
Speaker 3: I do too, and I would argue the peak of
Sean Waltman is basically what's about to happen through the
tag team with Kane.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Actually, that's a good that's
a good like bookend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's with what's her face? Right? And they teach
Kane how to talk Tori? Yeah, yeah, that's right, good one.
Speaker 2: It's so stupid.
Speaker 3: Just because they retcon the whole story like eight times,
does it mean some of us don't remember the Organs.
Speaker 2: They taught him how to talk, and that very same
man became the mayor.
Speaker 3: Yep. His first words were suck at.
Speaker 2: They were yeah, And now he's telling the Democrats to suck.
Speaker 3: It well and Republicans because he's a libertarian.
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, And here's
the other point I wanted to make. So we talked
about Sean Lolman and maybe a little bit more to
go there. But the other point, the way he calls
out is one, we can make fun of Jeff Jerrett
being a fifth member, that's fine, whatever, But the fact
that there's only five people, I think that's intriguing. That's
at least the early idea of what this is. I
wish they latched onto that idea. Again, let's not say
too much, but what are your thoughts on having five
people and you know, the one being potentially Jeff Jarrett.
Speaker 3: I want to argue that it actually would have been
six because we all know that DBASI was going to
be a part of the end of you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's true. That would have been that that
was already pretty much reported too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm so I'm gonna give way to
pass and say.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can say five wrestlers. So, yes, it's a
good point. It is clear there, clear there.
Speaker 3: I would be fine with it. I mean, so, I
think everybody has their own like perfect nWo, and I
think most people's are different, honestly, Like, I think if
I asked you, like, you get five guys, who are they?
I don't think your five would be the same as mine.
Speaker 2: Probably not. I mean everyone's gonna start off with the
core three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, but then who's four and five?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think you get wildly different answers because I think,
for one, I don't think actually, I don't think either
one of our other two would match.
Speaker 2: I don't have to think about who mine would be.
I just told you off air that Savage. It's like
it'd be interesting that if Savage never became an NBO member.
But as you're asking me the question now, like if
you only kept it to five people, I'm like, maybe
I would have him in the end of.
Speaker 3: You Oh okay, then maybe only one of ours doesn't match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I didn't think more.
Speaker 3: About that, but like, and and you know what, actually
I would expand it to six because there's somebody else
that I really want in there to be like perfect
but Virgil right, well obviously yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But my point is is that it's a great idea,
but it's hard to tell who it is, and I
don't necessarily think that that five is perfect. I like
the idea of Jared and the n OFO. The irony
is he ends up in the end of O with
like none of these people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was waiting for them to be excommunicated so
he can join.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually I think technically Nash is in nWo two thousand,
that's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's another thing too, Like this what I
said about Walman being like, you never really saw his
edgier side, so you're, you know, putting a lot of
assumption on Well it's Jeff Jared, Like what is he
gonna wear a cowboy hat in this, you know, in
this version? But no, I don't think he would. I
think you would see an edgier version of him. I mean,
they better do that. If they don't, that's that's a
terrible idea. But that's where they need to go, or
he need to go. As far as his character, he joined,
he would.
Speaker 3: But I don't think Jared in ninety six was ready
for that.
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 3: I don't either, And I'm the first one to like
toot Jared's horn and talk about how much I think
they should have given him a shot, but he fits
more than ninety four ninety five mold of top he
which is why they should have done it. Then he
fits into ninety six ninety seven ninety eight top heel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's just kind of I don't know. I
don't know if he would have been right for this.
With that said, I don't think what they do for
him is right for him either, So it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: I guess you're right, it really isn't. And he kind
of gets lost in shovel pretty quickly, and he has
nothing to do with the nWo, but we'll we'll talk
about that at some point. The other thing, here's the thing.
I mean, I think it makes sense that his name
is on this list because as of now this is
a WWFP, you know, or former WF, So that makes
sense from that angle, and he's young. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, if you look at like the theme of the
faction outside of outside of Dbiassi and Hogan, all of
these guys have hies to each other, and he also
was working with the click in WF.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So even from the like smart fan part of this,
he makes a lot of sense as the fifth guy
because he feuded with all of them except for Diesel,
but he also worked with Diesel on the house shows
as a world title Channe I was.
Speaker 2: At one of those house shows, so I can attest.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree, like I would argue Jeff Jarrett was
more in the click than just incredible. Was what the
hell do I know.
Speaker 2: You might be onto something? Wade goes on to say
McMahon decided WF was not going to be the grooming
grounds for ww's future made of venters. He decided not
to push anyone who isn't willing to make a long
term commitment. What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: I agree with it. The only thing that I don't
super agree with is that he like screws this up
later because we all know what happens with one very
rude guy if you understand where I'm coming from, Yeah,
and a beard and a mustache. But like he the
problem is is that they say this in this era,
and they're right, like, you don't want to put all
of your eggs into these baskets that are just gonna
like walk out and leave right, But they don't like
continue that. For one and for two, you also have
to make sacrifices to be good again, but they are
admitting that they're rebuilding. So from like a sports standpoint,
this is very similar to a build through the draft approach,
where you draft guys, you have control of them for
four years and those of the people that you're gonna
push and build your team around. So from a wrestling standpoint,
I guess this is the equivalent of that is to
know you have three to four years to build the guy.
I think it's incredibly interesting that Helmsley is the guy
they chose to do that with, but you know, more
so the irony with all the other people that we're
talking about. But I don't know, it's I get it,
But I also think there's always room for uh exceptions,
I guess, but again if they kind of make their
exceptions with the wrong people. Ultimate Warrior, as much as
I like him, said, that's true.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's a great that's a great call out there.
I tend to agree with you too, and that this
is the right move. And maybe it's just I'm biased
because of what you know transpires, but there is a
flip side to it, and you know, I can use
current day Tony Kahan and aw like, maybe not right
now as you record this, But in recent years there's
there were guys that came from the WWF WWE rather
and then you know, we're reported to want to go back,
and he ultimately sat on them for a while or
if and when that happens, he kind of just like
you're under contract, just sit it out, fine, whatever. So
that's that's a possibility too. Of Course, maybe Vince doesn't
have the luxury in nineteen ninety six to do that
between the dollars and of course just making sure his
locker room is happy enough and not does not does
not have reason to get all angry and just rise
up against him for lack of a better description. So
I mean, I I tend to agree with it as well.
It is weird because you know, Sean Wallman's a young
guy and he is you know, And that's.
Speaker 3: The other problem withf is they're not they're not scouring
the globe for people to help them in their rebuild.
Speaker 2: They're just resigned.
Speaker 3: They're resigning a guy who already works here, who's fine,
has potential. But like, I don't buy for a second
that anybody thinks Hunter Hurst Helmsley in nineteen ninety six
is going to become what he is in ninety nine
two thousand. I don't buy that. I think it's bullshit.
Speaker 2: Oh no, one hundred percent agree, Yeah, one hundred agree.
Helmley entered the WF doghouse speaking of him after a
showing of unity with Hull and Nash on their final
night in the company, the infamous MSG click curtain call.
He's also done jobs ever since, ASF awaited his decision
either to commit for three years or be buried under
his until his contract expired. But last Tuesday he agreed
to a multi year contract, including a minimum guarantee now
at WBF contract standard, so he is locked up while
the kid moves on.
Speaker 3: If if Hunter had left, like say, for example, that
Hunter said that's fine, just job me out and I'll
leave and I'll go hang out with my friends in
WCW and join the nWo and be you know, nWo
aristocrat Paul Levec who would it do you think would
have gotten that spot as like that mid card kind
of guy who just kind of hung around the mid
card for years. Obviously the DX thing probably doesn't happen,
so it's kind of hard to like play that out
all the way through like ninety seven, But like, who
do you think gets that spot, like in the short term.
Speaker 2: I actually think Billy Gunn.
Speaker 3: That's not a bad answer. No, he wasn't my answer,
but that's not a bad an.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because he's kind of in that role
now and Bark, but he's an attack team. He's kind
of doing it, but he's an attack team. But you
can see already of the two, he's got more charisma
and there's more to them, and.
Speaker 3: They m they like him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we know what happens with him too,
so it's kind of leading the witness a little bit.
But yeah, that's the first thing that came to my mind.
I think they might they might use him sooner.
Speaker 3: In that role. That's a really good answer. I like
that better than my answer. Who was it Owen Hart?
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish, I wish that's the dream answer.
Speaker 3: I just mean, I can picture Owen being the heel
that like works with gold Dust at Mania thirteen. I
could see them doing something funny and giving him China.
I could see Owen being like the intercondinental champion that
drops it to Rocky my Via. I know I'm getting
way ahead of the curve here, but you get yeah, front.
Speaker 2: I actually liked the China idea because they would like
knowing how when he wouldn't want to do like a
sexual gimmick, so he'd just be like using this like
as they call all like this Amazon woman to like
fight his fights for him, and he would just how
would be so perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she'd be girl Yokazuna.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly exactly he would. He would be so good.
Speaker 3: She could low blow people and he would just pin them.
Speaker 2: Me and then celebrate wild and celebrate yes as she
stands like a statue in the corner. So good, so good.
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Speaker 2: Anything else on this kind of this pseudo cover story.
Speaker 3: No, we can move on, okay, oh, World Wrestling Federation,
the years, the Revolutionary Force and Sports.
Speaker 2: Entertapment actually a lot off news this week, and especially
after last week's a smaller portion dedicated to the show
with go to be taking so much time up first
one here syndication issues arise for the company Big One too.
WS Fox affiliate in New York is moving or preempting
Superstars on Saturdays because Fox Baseball has begun every Saturday.
And actually, I remember this really well. In this era
I had, you know, this is the ninety six. I
had a TV in my room. It was like the
the non cable version. It had like the extended ears.
What do they call them? Yeah, I guess ears, right, Yeah,
they'res Yeah. So I would turn it on and obviously
we didn't get many stations on that TV, so I
would just sit on my bed, playing with my figures
and my wrestling figures and watch US Superstars. It was fun.
As a result, super Stars will no longer be carried
on the Fox affiliate. Channel thirty one is being purchased
by the MSG Network and undergoing a facelift. WWF is
in negotiations with Channel thirty one so they would keep
an over the air affiliate in New York, a key
to keeping a major league presence in that market and
to keep the momentum the MSG events. Half onto some
notes here, and this is where we get really some
heavy duty stuff. Ron Simmons is scheduled to debut on
the live raw on July fifteenth. So this is the
July twentieth raw, so these obviously when it was written
next week, we should have details on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of those details is a blue helmet. Can't wait?
Speaker 2: So does he switch to the silver or am I
making that up in my head? Does he never have
a silver helmet?
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that the figure comes with
two heads, one with a blue helmet and one with
a silver helmet. Right, so I don't know which one
he starts within which one he finishes, but both exist.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad I didn't make that up because that
would be a weird thing to make up.
Speaker 3: It really would be. But no, the point is before
Ron Simmons has a very racially charged militant group. We
have to suffer through this shit first is basically, and
for some reason he's with Sonny. It's you'll see, it's
not fun.
Speaker 2: Basically, this gimmick turns him into a racially charged like militant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. I'm gathering The irony is that the
only like thread between the two characters is they both
really hate Ahmed Johnson.
Speaker 2: Well, by then, I mean we all realize there's reasons too,
so everyone's like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. No update
on the Bruce brothers and their talks with the company,
as we talked about recently, So there's no update there.
WF did a report on their nine hundred line saying
Crush would be returning.
Speaker 3: Prison.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I do vaguely remember maybe I said
this already when we were reported he was in prison,
but I remember, like some more of the weekend shows Todd,
pen and Gill like actually told us he was in prison.
Speaker 3: It was so weird.
Speaker 2: It's a random thing.
Speaker 3: I still don't remember what he went to prison for.
Speaker 2: I was it gun like like a unlicensed gun, guns
or like something like that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Someone will tell us. British Bullologue is strongly leaning toward
or has already decided to remain in the company and
not accept an offer to join WSW. This is interesting,
though Wade has notes on the offers offer or sude.
WWF offered him a multi year contract with a minimum
garant reported at around two hundred and fifty a year
for five years. Ww's offer was a reported four hundred thousand,
but it doesn't have like the years, or if there
is a guarantee at all, Sow had the higher amount.
It's also very possible, because we've reported this multiple times
over the years, that they had excuse me, they had
that like ninety day clause where like, yes, you have
that contract, but every ninety day they could basically say yeah,
never mind and just give you on your way. So
of course he's got family in WF two, so a
lot of that stuff. You know, you got a trade off.
Ultimate Warriors situation is status quo, with no known negotiations,
much less plans for him to return, so really nothing
going on there. If the two sides do reach an agreement,
we probably won't know until until he makes a surprise return.
Sunday in Bangor, Maine. During the fourteen elimination match, Skip
and Leave Cassidy both knowledge Saboo for some reason, dropping
to their knees and pointing skyward. I'm not sure what
that's about, especially a name like what's sadly like secretly
a may Night or something.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, the main part's weird, but
like it makes sense when you say their other names,
Chris Candido and Al Snow acknowledged saboo for some reason.
Speaker 2: That's true. True, This one's a sad note. When we
kind of talked about it maybe two weeks ago, if
not last week, Owen Hart and I guess Brett Hart's nephew, Matt,
is it a miss died?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I died over the weekend. He went into a
coma after getting a vile disease that literally ate away
as flesh. He was the thirteen year old son of
Georgia and often rustled Owen and Stu's ring for fun.
Last week, you go ahead?
Speaker 3: Is is Georgia and Natty Knightheart's mom?
Speaker 2: You know what? I don't know. No, I'm stumped because
the last name is I think the last name is
the same last name as the one that was like
supposed to be like the next star, but he just
always like got into trouble. I thought that might have
been his brother, Teddy knight Heart. Teddy Heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm looking here.
Speaker 2: And Teddy's not the brother of Natty, So no.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Her Her mom is Ellie.
Speaker 2: Ellie, Okay, Yeah, there you go. Last week, Wade continues,
it appeared he might survive after amputation of the disease
limbs eh sad story. Yeah, Barry Wyndham had jokingly brought
up the idea that he could be silver dust. However
there's no there's no word whether it's actually being considered. Yeah,
because he's ATF. He already discussed this. Windham quit wrestling
several years ago after getting engaged to his wealthy girlfriend.
Hey look at him. He hasn't wrestled in recent years,
but apparently has a desire to return to the ring.
I love how Wade just drops wealthy girlfriend, but like
doesn't give any detail.
Speaker 3: I know it's funny.
Speaker 2: Action Zone underwent his face left. Apparently that's still a show.
Kevin Kelly, who announced periodically in Florida a few years
back for Eddie Mansfield Eddie Manfield's IWA, debuted as new
co host with Jim Ross. They voice over the matches
from that weekend Superstars and then went to Doc Hendrick's
for studio segments. Reviews for Kelly's debut thus far have
been very positive.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but Kevin Kelly, Jim Ross, and Michael ps
Hayes being on the same show together is like the
most nineteen ninety six WWF sentence ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, what do you think since he's in orbit
now Kevin Kelly's work.
Speaker 3: I like, I always like Kevin Kelly. I thought when
I was a kid that he was gonna be the
guy that got the SmackDown job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. I can definitely see that.
Speaker 3: Like, I was pretty surprised that Michael cole leapfrogged him
as a kid, like because Kevin Kelly like him, being
like a goof and getting because both of those guys
had a lot in common and they were like the
rocks punching bag. I think the rock he used to
call Kevin Kelly arrmphadite or something like that. Yeah, but
like I don't know, I guess I guess Kevin Kelly
looked more like an announcer than Michael cole who just
like a dork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean it's I always
kind of kind of equate the two because even though
I think Michael was in like a year from now,
I always felt like the came around the same time.
Speaker 3: I think that's because Kevin Kelly's not on TV for
a while. That could be like our like weekly our
TV kind of. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he did a pretty good job. I
mean I think they could. I think to what you
said about, you know, the rock and the punching bag
thing like that kind of probably did more harm than
to him than good. I feel like they all kind
of treated him like that.
Speaker 3: I mean kind of, but like he used to make
Michael Cole do the interviews with the T shirt over
his face, remember, and he turned out fine.
Speaker 2: True, Yeah, I kind of forget about those. But Kevin
Kelly ended up being on a lot of the New
Japan English basically, he was the announcer for years there,
and I liked his work on that. I thought he
did a really good job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always liked him. I thought he was inoffensive.
I don't think he's like the greatest announcer of all
time or anything, but yeah, I always thought he was fine.
I thought he was somebody that TENA should have looked
at more.
Speaker 2: Also, I could see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, just a thought.
Speaker 2: But all right, this next note, I really need you
to put on your thinking cap here. Marty Janetti missed
his appearance appearances due to a legitimate family emergency. What
could that emergency be?
Speaker 3: Nineteen year old girlfriend abortion?
Speaker 2: Geez, you really want to you really went to it,
all right?
Speaker 3: Oh oh wait, wait wait wait no, his uncle dropped
his cocaine in his car and they are frantically searching
through the seats to make sure the cocaine's not still
in the monde.
Speaker 2: That sounds like the Alex I know.
Speaker 3: They are also looking for it with their nose, not
their hands.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I set you up, and I should
have should have known what I was going to get into,
so all good stuff.
Speaker 3: My real answer, though, is the abortion thing. I believe it,
only she's not nineteen.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, she just said let's move on.
Speaker 3: Let's move on.
Speaker 2: The live free for all match the Sunday is Bradshaw
versus Savi o Vega, So again free for all being
like the pre show that we're all well aware of
these days, and this one I think was still airing
on the What the heck was it the Channel Guide?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. The stipulation for this match
is the winner and the loser have to buy the
Undertaker a bottle of Jack Daniels and kiss his ass.
Speaker 2: For at least ten years. The Wrestling Observer reports the
specific gripe the Warrior had regarding his likeness on Merchandise's
merchandise was actually the slogan quote always believe being used
without his authorization. All right, The wrestleman payoff was not
part of his blow up with Vince, even though he
received his payoff just days before he began missing shows.
He has been confirmed It has been confirmed that his
father did die, although it's reported that Warrior had not
had a relationship with his father since he was a story.
Speaker 3: Is any kind of nuts that like Warrior maintained wealth
because like, I don't know if you've ever maybe you
had a friend like this in high school or college
or maybe as an adult. I've experienced it all three times. Okay,
but have you ever known somebody who gets a job
for like a month so that they can buy a
specific thing, and then they quit the job immediately after
getting enough pecks?
Speaker 2: I have heard about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's how the Warrior comes off. But somehow
he's like still rich until he dies. Like how the
hell is that possible?
Speaker 2: That's his point. What does he do in the years
he's not working? It's it's yes, because all these other
ideas are just like these like fly by night things
that you think you know. I'm going to start this
startup and it's just a failure. Of course, you can
see it coming a mile away, like the comic book
or the university or it is all this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's yes, yeah, and none of it works out, And like,
I don't know, it's just so weird to me because
it feels like this sentence, Well, he's not mad about
the wrestlmanning a payoff, but you know he started missing
shows right after he got it because he doesn't need
the money anymore. Yeah, Like he's like the guy who
just stops showing up to work because he already you know,
his car was gonna get repoded. He needed twelve hundred bucks.
He got twelve hundred dollars. Now he stopped going to work.
Like that's how it feels.
Speaker 2: So it's amazing. No, I don't know. You got all
these guys in wrestling that have to work forever just
to like continue to live, and this guy's like, eh,
maybe i'll work. I just miss a future and I'm fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like look at Ultimate Warrior versus Kamala exact exactly.
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Speaker 2: Every week. Welly, I just try to quote from Batista,
of all people who after he, you know, he said
something like he'll never get back into wrestling. He made
a lot of money, but after he left wrestling he
was broke.
Speaker 3: I might be misremembering this. I think he got ripped off.
Oh really yeah, I might be thinking of somebody else
from the same time period. But I don't know if
he had like a shitty accountant or if he invested
in something and somebody like ran off with it. I
feel like there's a story there.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I again, somebody will tell us in the emails if
I'm remembering somebody else. But I think he got he
got screwed somehow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that makes sense if that's the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does sound like something that would happen to
him too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I think one of the better actors that
were wrestlers.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's up there for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: WrestleMania in nineteen ninety seven is slated to take place
at the Chicago's United Center. Clarification from last week or
recent weeks, Brett Hart is not planning to wrestle on
a South African tour in September. Hart is saying he
won't be back in the company anytime this year and
his future in wrestling depends on how his acting career goes.
He still publicly writes off any possibility of going to WCW.
There is a lot of news in here, anything that
we didn't really dive into or you wanted to speak about.
Speaker 3: The only thing was talking about Bulldog. Are we in
agreement that he for sure would have been in the
end of you if he had gone to WCW.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.
Speaker 3: And do you think he's a better fit than Jeff Jarrett?
Speaker 2: Now that's a good question. I think in ninety six
I would probably say yes, because I wouldn't know how
Jeff Jarrett would be good as a heat like I
wouldn't be able to force see like the nineteen ninety
nine version of Jeff Jarrett. So I think the answer
would be Bulldog would be better. Probably with hindsight, I
do believe Jarrett's probably a better better version.
Speaker 3: Do you think Bulldog would have worn like the Union
Jack tights in black and white instead?
Speaker 2: That's a great question too. I don't know, Yeah, what
would his gear look like?
Speaker 3: He probably just would have worn the same thing Scott
Hall did.
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, maybe he would just be that he would
be British Bulldog or just like maybe they would just
call him the Bulldog or something because he because he
used that name in ninety three when he was in WW.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they could call him that, we use it. Yeah,
they could just call him that. I mean, considering the
trend that Bischoff was going, they would have just called.
Speaker 7: Him Dave, yeah, Dave boy, Yeah, the dog haul Nash
Hogan boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Smith, Actually that's not bad. They're all big short
last meets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna do our WW segment. Last week, Patrick
mentioned the promo that Sting gives the night after Bash
of the Beach, so I found it for us. This
clip is about four minutes, give or take. So here
we go.
Speaker 8: All right, Eric, I'm gonna try talk to everybody if
I can. I'm gonna start with Sting after what happened
last night at the Bash at the Beach and neighboring Orlando.
Sting a very somber mood here tonight. I can't believe it.
I can feel it, you can feel it. These people
continue to make our lives.
Speaker 3: Very, very tenuous.
Speaker 8: They did it again tonight, right in the middle of
your match with darn Anderson.
Speaker 3: But let's go back to last night.
Speaker 8: What's your sense of what happened at the Bash at
the Beach.
Speaker 9: I am not at all surprised what.
Speaker 3: Happened last night.
Speaker 9: I'm not surprised about coming from the two outsiders, but
I will say I am very very surprised at you,
hul Cogan.
Speaker 3: But I should have known.
Speaker 9: I should have known when you were traveling to every
town in that big fat limo. I should have known,
because you didn't want to travel with the Macho Man,
a total package.
Speaker 3: And this stinger. Ah.
Speaker 9: You were too busy making big movies and coming in
for a little cameo appearance. You were too busy walking
on the dark side.
Speaker 3: I should have known when you refer.
Speaker 9: To the Macho Man and the total package and me
as three little dogs waiting for a chance to wrestle
the great hul Cogan. I should have known when I
looked into your eyes. Do you know something, I made
a mistake, But you made a bigger mistake, because last
night you wiped out and trashed every single little kid,
every single person that was a part of your life,
that patterned their life after you.
Speaker 10: You told her to believe in the man upstairs.
Speaker 11: You told them to say their prayers and to take
their vitamins. You told them to believe in themselves. And
you know something, it's a good thing you told them
to believe in themselves, because they say, as heck, can't
believe in you.
Speaker 10: By the way, and last but not least, to put
the cherry on the top, all those little kids, you
told them to stick.
Speaker 9: It no, you stick a hulk, you stick it that.
Speaker 3: Is very strong.
Speaker 8: By the way his fate would have it, These threw
the men on their partner last night got knocked out
early in the action. So the two of you had
to go against the outsider Spacho man Randy Savage. You
were very close with Hull Coga designs.
Speaker 2: You can keep it going with Savage, but I think
he ruins this stuck that well stuck.
Speaker 3: We'll stop it there.
Speaker 2: Then the Savage thing, you, I don't know if you
were going to play it, but I think he just
like It's what Sting did was maybe cut one of
the best persons for singing that he's ever cut. It
was just a matter of fact. He had confidence in
what he was saying. He got all his word that
without stumbling. Me and Gene almost tried to like cut
in at the end there, and He's like basically was like, no,
I got it, I got it one more point here,
and they told him this, I mean, I thought, was
really well done.
Speaker 3: Oh I think that's that might be the best Sting
promo I've ever heard. I think so, at least up
until this point, because the other ones that come to
mind is the one where he thinks he's a shark. Yeah,
the one where he calls Regal gay months ago. The
one at Bash of the Beach was just really bad,
and Savage told him to get to the point. So
like the three I can think of that we've covered
are not good.
Speaker 2: No, No, this was really good. I I uh, I
want to hear what. Let the listeners think of that
one too, because it's definitely up there. And the reason
I cut you off with the Savage one, or at
least got it off, was because if you want to
play it, feel free, of course. But my opinion was
he ruins it because he's he's still the mantra man.
He doesn't he doesn't tone it down, and like, if
I'm watching it live, I'm thinking, like this is there's
there's a layer of reality here, and then the mantra
man becomes it's just the mantra man. I'm like, that's
you gotta you gotta tone it down a little bit.
And he had the ability to do that. He did
it really well. And indifference and you know, different situations, well,
it's just it doesn't it doesn't work for me.
Speaker 3: Part of part of why that makes sense though, is
and we talked about this last week. WW is really
hammering home that macho man is like nuts.
Speaker 2: That's that's fair, and I like that, but I feel
like he's like not nuts here, it's like more just like, oh,
I can't believe you. I don't know, it's just stupid stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, you're not wrong. I'm just saying that,
like that's like they're I don't know, I feel like
they're telling him to be more unhinged. You know what
we didn't talk about last week that I kind of
regret not bringing up. Do you think the turn works
better if Hogan like drops staying instead of Savage or
do you think it doesn't matter?
Speaker 2: Probably doesn't matter, But let me think about that for
a second. I mean, if you're thinking about a WWF invasion,
which obviously that's the idea against ww then yes, obviously
would make more sense. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've always kind of wondered why Savage was the person.
Speaker 2: And if you think about it, for people that are
like obviously and everyone who cared knew that they had
a history together, like you've seen them rustle before, so
big deal. You know of course they feeded before. Yeah,
So yeah, no, I think that's a good point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just always thought that was kind of weird.
Speaker 2: We can definitely agree Lure makes no sense if he
was in the I was in the ring. Uh.
Speaker 3: Luger only makes sense if it had been what I said,
where he had been champion for a couple of months
and they were going to build up that he's the
one that was going to lose the title. Then Yeah,
but that's the ship on that sale three months ago,
So it doesn't It just doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Agreed. Well, I'm glad you found that really
good stuff. Would love to hear listeners thoughts on that.
We're talking about the next pay per view already, hog
Wild August tenth, and Sturges South Dakota. The card is
pretty much set. We'll see if this ends up being final.
And I know you know very well what the card
is because you've watched this over and over. The Giant
versus Whole Covin for the title, Sting and Lex Luver
versus the Outsiders, of course, Haul of Nash Flair versus
Eddie Guerrero for the US Heavyweight title, Harlem Heat versus
the Steiner Brothers for the tag team titles. Ray Masterio
versus either Ultimo Dragon or Jusi and Lager for the
Cruiserweight title. Crisp and Wall versus Kevin Sullen and they're
ongoing feud. This is interesting. Scott Norton versus Ice Train,
and last but not least, Medusa versus Bull Nakano with
Medusa's Harley going up against nakanos Kawasaki, which of course
is a nod to the crowd there and sturges so
we don't have to pick everything apart here. But just
like man, we often just like to zoom out and
look at these the show when we see the lineup,
and boy, this is a hell of a show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it actually improves because there is one of
these that's incorrect, but one of the wrestlers right, and
their opponent gets switched for somebody who's a much better wrestler.
Speaker 2: Okay, good stuff. There's one more note on this, and
I don't recall this. I'm curious if you do, he said.
Wade says, besides the live pay per view and the
pregame show, they'll also be taping the next day's edition
of Nitro. They'll actually tape it before the paview aired,
so it's gonna be pretaped. But at Sturgis, I don't
And I guess that makes sense if they're traveling back.
But do you know that? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: No, but considering what happens on this pay per view,
it's gonna be really jarring to watch that first.
Speaker 2: That was my another thought. Yeah, but you know, maybe
you're in front of a crowd that doesn't really matter
from a fan point of view. I mean, they're there
for bikes, they're not there for wrestling.
Speaker 3: No, And this crowd is, uh, there's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the other things. So they're giving this
incredible lineup to a crowd that like probably doesn't care
and it's just so it's just interesting that you would
do that. But that's that's.
Speaker 3: Oh No, the crowd is good. Well, the crowd for this,
they don't care about any of it. That's like one
of the main like negatives on this show. But what
is really cool is the the ring is like it's
almost in like the middle of dirt. Yeah yeah, but
it's on like this pedestal, so it looks really really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a really cool visual. I don't think
you'll ever see that again in wrestling. I don't think
anyone will be I'll just use the word bold enough
to do this, oh do Yeah, I didn't pull out
a lot of quotes. I'm just pulling out some kind
of wraparounds from it, descriptions from it. But Wade also
talks about the heal interview that Hogan gives. There's a
lot of quotes in the issue. If you're interested again
issue three ninety seven. A few things he does say
about it, he says. On the ninth, the July fifteenth, Nitro,
Hogan returned to the mic for the first time since
he'll interview after his turn at the Bash. He ripped
on Sting, saying when they first met, he was a
skinny little bodybuilder. Actually that's so funny because he was
like humongous when stinging. Meanwhile, in the foreground of the screen,
the camera showed someone waving their arms encouraging fans to
throw garbage in the ring. The fans did, although the
atmosphere was much less heated than in Daytona. Yeah, because
they're at Disney World.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: He also ripped savage and fans, the kid fans specifically.
Hogan then challenge anyone from the back to come out
and the Steiners aren't Anderson Ming and the Barbarian came
out as the show and off the air, so an
interesting mix there. Mostly heels but the Steiners too, so
again kind of going back to what we were talking before,
showing the nature of the angles, like this is not
a heel versus a face feud. This is a you know,
a faction that's in dating versus the whole company feud.
So it's it's nice to see that they're really playing
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Speaker 2: Anything else, I don't know if you read the article
directly or the quotes directly, anything else from what he
said that maybe didn't get covered here.
Speaker 3: No, I mean we heard it from Hoby the night before.
We know what he's going for. I for some reason,
I feel like I don't think the thing where they
beat everybody up has happened yet, you know what I'm
talking about, the famous one where they throw the stereo
into the thing.
Speaker 2: Right, That might be maybe next week, maybe not for
another week. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if the pay per view happens before that,
because I don't remember if Hogan is something or not. Yea, yeah,
but like we're getting the beginning of this, but like
we don't really see the next iteration of Hogan in
this heel character until the pay per view. Like there's
a couple of things that happen at the pay per
view and we really start to see, like what the
NDWBO is gonna be as far as taking things over again,
that segment might be before. I'm not I'm not entirely sure.
But either way, this is just kind of more of
the same from Hogan until we get to like that
next that like level two, which basically is, you know,
whenever he loses the thing, so give or take a
year until they they kind of go into the next
part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense. Some notes from the company, Kevin Sullivan
maybe working without a contract WW says they are involved
in the Jim Carrey movie being filmed this fall, and
that Sting and Giant have roles. Do you know which
one is this.
Speaker 3: In the Jim Carrey movie. I mean the Giant is
in the water Boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's not Jim Carrey.
Speaker 3: But that's not Jim Carrey exactly? Are they in cable?
Speaker 2: Oh maybe that's actually one of the ones I never
really watched. So maybe maybe he just goes to a
wrestling show or something. Well, Keble Guy was ninety six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only movie I can think of that
that could.
Speaker 2: Be it, or a Sventura io No, I remember that.
We'll figure this out. We'll get to the bottom of it.
There are early estimates for the Bashed pay per view.
They range from zero point eight to one point two percent.
We actually hoped for one point five percent and again
it's a shame we don't actually see what that equates to,
like number of buys or dollars. Yeah, it's kind of
surprising it wasn't a little higher. But we'll see. This
is just an estimate at this point.
Speaker 3: While we're on the topic, I don't have a Jim
Carrey answer yet. But the WW attack or the NBO
attack is right before the pay per view. Oh and
it's two weeks after this Nitro. The date the twenty ninth.
Speaker 2: Okay, and there's still I know they're still at MGM Studios. Yeah, so, yeah, cool, awesome.
Hall and Nash were privy to who the third partner
would be in the days leading up to the pay
per view, but kept its secret from most friends and
family members until that weekend. Ted Dibiassi, as you mentioned earlier,
may end up managing the outsiders, which would include Hall, Nash,
Hogan Kid, and Jeff Jarrett. As we talked about and
filled the third seat on Nitro commentary, Chris Jericho is
expected to begin in late August or September after he
finishes with the ECW. One key to him jumping was
the chance to work with New Japan. Blood runs Cold.
We have our Weekly Update Brian Clark. Of course, former
Adam Baum will not be part of the faction, so
there you go. I just love how every week we
get like, here's who's in, and then the week is late.
Next week is like this guy's not in in. This
is not the third weeks like this is not at
all what it will be. It's just funny because that's
because because on TV you're also seeing these previews for
like a year, so it's like funny how we're reading
it in the sheets and then we're like living in
on the show.
Speaker 3: As the entire company changes around it exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Starcade may take place in Japan. Paula Nash won't
be wrestling at house shows for a long time, since
their gimmick is they don't work for the company.
Speaker 3: They've got that worked out in their favor. Huh.
Speaker 2: They knew what the hell they were doing. They will
only wrestle major pay per views for the time being,
so they lucked into that.
Speaker 3: I wish I was friends with those guys. Serious, Okay,
I have an answer on the Jim Carrey thing. If
you're in it. Yeah, yeah, okay, So the movie is liar, liar.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, this sounds familiar, now I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was released in March of ninety seven. Okay,
so early in the film, Carrie's character lies to his
son by promising to take him to a wrestling match
featuring about between Rick Rud and Macho Man. You're saying, okay, then,
what the hell does that have to do is Sting
in the Giant? Yeah, you're correct. Fans often discuss how
the dialogue references WW stars and behind the scenes reports
of deleted or unreleased footage concepts associated with w W
legends like Stinging the Giant.
Speaker 2: There you go. That's interesting because he's right, that dialogue
still remains in the movie. Yeah, but the clip of
anything that may have been recorded does not.
Speaker 3: And I have a photo of the clip here, and
it is indeed a very outdated by March of ninety seven.
Sting with dark hair, red tights, and blue white and
red face paint in the ring with the Giant.
Speaker 2: I think I just found it too well. Look at
that yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: And Jim Carrey and that little asshole who kept telling
him to stop lying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kid, That kid was in like other movies too.
Speaker 3: I think, uh, the only thing I can place him
from is Home Alone? Three?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, amazing. All right, Sorry, we're looking at
pictures and no one knows what the hell was going
on right now? Anything else on this on ww WE
do you have a little bit on ECW then we'll wrap.
Speaker 3: No, it's an interesting time in the company. You're right,
the like it's it's almost mind blowing that at the
same time the nWo thing is going on and you're
like speculating who's going to be in the end of
you Oh, we're also spending every week speculating who's gonna
be in Blood Runs Cold. And it's funny because you
brought up that. It's like, oh, this guy's gonna be
in it. Oh no, no he's not. We're doing the
exact same thing with the nWo, but the nWo is
less something to make fun of.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, which is it's just weird.
Speaker 3: It is weird.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a tale of two different companies,
but it is in fact one company.
Speaker 3: And then the last thing is yet again WF is
not scouring for guys because Chris Jericho is going to
join WCW and I know that they end up with
all these guys later and they all have bigger success
in WF and win world titles and shit like that.
But like you're telling me, WF couldn't get one of
these guys, like they couldn't get any of like Psychosis, Jericho,
Conan Raymisterio Jr. Chris ben Wah, Dean Malnko. They couldn't
get one of them.
Speaker 2: So there's a few things there. One, it reinforces what
I said last week as w's w is the destination
to go as you'r as a wrestler, Like that's where
you want to be right now, especially if you're an
international talent or a young talent. Two. I think it
just proves the point that Vince mcmahonus like doesn't have
the foresight to stretch beyond his means where ye like,
he doesn't. He didn't even want if we think, if
we really you know, believe the story is out there,
which which I tend to, he didn't want Nick Foley,
he didn't want Steve Auston, he didn't want like he
did want he was forced into designing Pillman. Yeah, if
you believe Jim Ross, he did want Mark Marrow, but
he also wanted him because of his wife. So like
he's just got a limited scope of what he you know,
even considers.
Speaker 3: Let's back up, he didn't want Mark Merrow. He wanted
Johnny bad and Sables Tits. That's what he was trying
to hire, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's pretty much it. So, I mean,
I don't know, there's a lot of reasons before behind
it and missing Man is you know of those?
Speaker 3: Do you think he wanted Ron Simmons.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I don't know. He probably
just had a look at him and like, oh, that's
that's a big man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that maybe he wanted Ron Simmons.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And other than that, though, you're right, like the Mark
Merrow things sticks out Ahmed, he definitely liked that. That
was right up his alley rock. Later on Hunter, I'm yeah,
like even though some of them work out to varying degrees,
his track records not great.
Speaker 2: It's not great. And like we said, like, as the
years pass on, we know some of these stories like
Jim Ross again, maybe we shouldn't believe him everything he says.
I have no idea, but he's an example of someone
who's like forcing some of this talent on the Vince
to finally give in. Yeah, so god knows even know
what Vince would be hiring if someone like Jim Ross
or whoever else was there not there rather.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but Ross had a blind spot too,
because you know, Jericho, Benoit, Raymisterio Junior, Dean Malenko, et cetera.
They didn't play football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point. I mean it sounds stupid, but it's true.
Speaker 3: Everybody else we mentioned, with the exception of Mark Merrow
played football, and maybe Marrow did too, I don't know. Yeah,
but the difference with that is Fully Fully was a
proven commodity, whether anybody wants to admit that or not.
Like I think, I think when WWF signed Fully, I
don't think they knew how high his ceiling was. I
don't think anybody.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I agree with that for sure.
Speaker 3: But at the very least Fully had a really high floor,
Like he was not going to come in and be
a complete dud and be useless, like there was a
negative percent chance of that happening. Yeah, Like he was
at the very least going to be a capable guy
who gets somewhat over and you know what I mean,
Like that that was his floor, and that's like there
needs to be more guys like that in wrestling, is
my point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a good point. Let's wrap things up
with east W a few notes from the company. With
the landscape of cable sports channel ownership in the midst
of great change, e CW may end up without its
MSG time slot separate from the broadcast on prime network affiliates.
So another note here about cable carriers similar to WF
and Fox, even though obviously that's not cable. The July
thirteenth EASTW Arena show was eastw's biggest gate two date.
The August third show, also at the East W Arena,
sold out the first four rows at the premium ringside
prices by Monday afternoon, the fastest ringside sellout ever. I
wish we knew how much they were per ticket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I'm gonna go with not very expensive.
Speaker 2: Though probably not. Yeah, I'm going to go like Max
fifty bucks.
Speaker 3: You're probably right about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Max fifty bucks. The headliner there interesting enough, Saboo
versus Rob Van Dam.
Speaker 3: Of course it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there you have it. The nineties pass cast
for again an issue three ninety seven, July twentieth, nineteen
ninety six. Alex Anything else that we may have, you know,
glossed over or want to go back to before we
talk about next week.
Speaker 3: No, I don't have a preview ready for next week,
but I do know what we're going to talk about
already because I looked at the calendar to make sure
I wasn't making a mistake. Next week, we are going
to talk about the nextf pay per view, the international
incident in your House, which is in fact an international
incident when all of us watch it, because it's not good.
Speaker 2: It is an incident.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you reminded that this is coming up
so quickly. It feels like we just got done with
their pay per view. But we're back again, which is great.
I man, I don't know if I've ever watched the show.
I'm sure I've have, but there's no there's no memory
in my brain about what happens here.
Speaker 3: I have seen this show exactly one time, and I
can tell you exactly when it was because it was
not that long ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, like a network era.
Speaker 3: Peacock.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, so it's not yeah, not bad, yeah peacock.
I wouldn't say what the average viewer rating is, but
it's actually not bad.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that there's.
Speaker 2: Some well, there's some promises. We'll see. We'll be the
judges of bad as we always are. All right, Well,
that'll be next week. If you want to reach us,
you can always email us at torchpass Gass at gmail
dot com. For Alex, this is Patrick and the nineties Past, Gast.
We will see you next week.
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