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Speaker 2: From the Era of Time promos and file divers miss

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ninety name, welcome time travelers to the nine these pass

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cast July twentieth, nineteen ninety six, to be exact, of course,

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always taking you through the pro rustling torch. This week

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we have issue at number three ninety seven, and on

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the other side of the mic Alex McDonald. Hey Alex,

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how you doing good?

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Speaker 3: Good, good good? We're here in nineteen ninety six. The

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end of O is upon us, and I know we

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have trivia and stuff, so I promise I won't take

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up too much time. But I thought of something that

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I wanted to ask you that just no way would

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have fit into like our three hour marathon last week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ghost sir, I'm always up for your random questions.

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Speaker 3: If WCW had invaded WWF instead. I'm sorry, the end

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OFO had invaded w WWF instead. Yeah, who would the

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three people have been that WF put up against Hogan.

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Speaker 2: Holl And No, Oh okay, Well let me think about this,

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because if we're thinking about the reality of the situation,

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I don't think Brett Hart would be included because we're

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actually gonna report on this even more so. I mean,

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this is something we've been reporting on for the last

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few weeks. But he's not interested in coming back right now,

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so I don't even think i'd pick him. Sean would

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be one. Yeah, absolutely, Sean would be one, which is

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funny because of course, you know everyone knows Sean and

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National Hall are buddies. And then it gets a little murky.

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Well it taker will be two. Yeah, agree, it's a

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little murky from there. It could be someone like am

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Ed Johnson, because again, thinking of the time that we're in,

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he's still a big deal. He's the intercremental Champion. It

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could be and I think this is more like in

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the Brett category. It could be Warrior, but again he's

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in the Brett category because he's suspended. Yeah, he's gone,

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so that's an Iffy, it gets really tough. Sean is Taker?

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Are your clear cuts?

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Speaker 3: I think the obvious answer is Sean bretton Taker, and

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then you throw in the caveat that Brett's not here

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and doesn't want to come in. That's where I'm at

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that that would be my three Well, and what's funny

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is I think that makes it less obvious because I

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don't think they would use Taker either.

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Speaker 2: And why why is that? Because elsewhere?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I think they would want to use somebody else.

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And the reason I ask this is because everything you

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just said I thought of, and the team I came

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up with is ironically the three man team that they

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have at the next paper view.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, oh, don't forget about me exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's like. And the other part too, is I think

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that's the other reason they don't use Taker, because it

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would be Sean and two really big guys against Hogan,

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Nash Hall, and I don't think they would go with

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the double like Taker and Sid.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that. Yeah, they wouldn't do that. Yeah,

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that's one thing we didn't talk about for last week's

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pay per view is that you know, Luger and Sting

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are are big guys. But they're not thought of as

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big guys like Sing is a pretty big dude, and

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Luger obviously is just like a jack dude. But I

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think if you when you pair them against someone like

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Scott Hall and Kevin Nash specifically, like they don't look

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they don't look you know, they look either as big

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as Hall or maybe even a little bit smaller.

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Speaker 3: Or do you want to guess how tall Sting is? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Six three?

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Speaker 3: You're really close. He's six to two. Okay, I would

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have actually guessed he was shorter than that. Surprised. Yeah,

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let's do Lex Luger.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess he's about I want to. I would

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say six two. I'm just gonna go just a touch

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smaller six one.

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Speaker 3: Apparently he's six six, which I don't true. Way, that's yeah,

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Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry as an offensive lineman, so

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this is more real six three, all right? All right?

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Speaker 2: That I can I can get back. Yeah, And Hall

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was like, what six five? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: No, Scott Hall is sixty seven, he's the same height.

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Speaker 2: As whole Coga.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then of course Nash is like, what seven or

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Speaker 3: They say seven, so he's probably six ten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like that's what I'm getting at. They you know,

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you don't people always say and Brett Hark, he's like

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six one, I think are perfect definitely with six ones,

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like those guys are big. Yeah, obviously not in the

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world with Rustling. I just mean generally speaking. Remember I

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remember the one pay per view I think it was

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in your house last year, sit in uh Diesel and

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million dollar Man. It's its manager, And I just remember

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commenting that Sid rolls to the outside and like DBAs

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is like pretty.

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Speaker 3: Damn tall he is. Yes, yeah, So that's another example.

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DBAs is like six four sixty five, Like yeah, legitimately.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we're getting off topic. But anyway, that's I think.

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I think most people would pick the guys that we

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picked in some way.

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Speaker 3: I think so too. I I like the idea also

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of Dobef just going bizarro and being like, no, these

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are the guys that are going to defend our company

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and it's undertaker mankind invader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see that too.

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Speaker 3: Managed by gold Dust and Paul Bear. Well.

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Speaker 2: The thing about that is they could have done something

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goofy like that, but it would have actually reinforced the

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severity of the angle it really would agree. Yeah, we

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have to put our best foot forward, you know, heels

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and faces. Obviously they wouldn't say it that way, but

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like you have to put all that aside and just

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fight for the company, and that's what you that's probably

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the way you'd want to.

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Speaker 3: Book it, you well, not only the fact that, like

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you're pushing Mankind is like a psychopath who doesn't care

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about his own well being. If you needed to protect

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your company, that's the guy you pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree. I like that idea. And maybe

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that's back to the Viciiti version of this, Like maybe

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that's where it would have made more sense to have

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like a flare in there. Like I'm okay with the

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three they had, but I'm just thinking from a let's

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throw a heel in there, which I guess you could

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say Luger was a heel, but he definitely played like

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the in between.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean kind of if if they had gone

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with Luber as a heel champion first, which we talked

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about off our times, that would have been that would

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have made the team a little more interesting. But it

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is agree, it.

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Speaker 2: Is well, a lot of feedback, some of it we'll

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get to in the email shortly from the pay per

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view last week. Of course Bash at the Beach and

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Alex was not joking. Three hours and I think fifteen

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minutes was the runtime, and we run the gamut in

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really in detail of what happened in the show and

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how it went down. So check that out if you

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didn't or if you did, and when you do, you

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can email us at towrspasscast at gmail dot com. We

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will get to the issue in a second, but we

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do have a pretty good amount of email sikat too,

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and I think you're going to kick it off over

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there for us.

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Speaker 3: We are, so our first three are all from Dennis.

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His first one, thanks so much to Paul for his

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live take of the show. Great insight, very well done

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and it's very much appreciated. I should have clarified that's

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Dennis two point zero. We'll hear from Dennis one point

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zero the OTD a little bit later. So Dennis also

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says Dennis two point oh. That is I've been listening

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the last few weeks, but it's summer, it's busy, and

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the World Cup is on. My son Harry and my

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wife are in Lords this week having a great time.

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But he's going to be home this weekend to watch

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the World Cup final. Did you see any of the

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World Cup? Has it caught on? This time more than

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last time? In ninety eight, the USA lost every single game,

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including one to Iran, and on Monday Night Raw after

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that loss, Jerry Lawler said, if USA had won any

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game at the Soccer World Cup, I'd have been even

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more embarrassed. Dennis said he was watching it live in America.

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Before we move on, this is one of those times

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where we talk a lot about like a lot about

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stuff off the air, and I don't remember sometimes what

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makes it on the show and what doesn't because we

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definitely talked about the World Cup, and evidently none of

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that was while the red light was on, so none

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of nobody knows that. I would say it was bigger

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this time than previous because people thought the United States

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was actually good. I never really thought that.

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Speaker 2: But well, we also hosted a lot of the games too,

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And from my perspective, I might have a

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skewed perspective because my father in law lives with me

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now and he got really into it, and I just

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I don't work as much as I used to so

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I was home every day and was able to watch

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the three o'clock games and the five o'clock games with him,

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so I was more into it. But again, so my

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perception is it was bigger. But I don't know if

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that's just like a circumstance kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: On my end, I would say, for me, it's gonna

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sound so silly. I like the idea of it, and

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like just the everyone getting kind of rallied behind watching

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it and tuning it, tuning into it. I just I

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don't it's not for me in general. But I did

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watch a few games, but again it's more like the

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idea of it than the actual let me tune in

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and watch every second that said, I mean, I know

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it was like Dennis is asking him, like it was

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bigger here. I think it got pretty big a few

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years ago when the women's team was so good. Obviously

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they won and when they went to two times forget,

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that was probably the biggest it was. But because it

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was here, I think a lot of it. For example,

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there were games in Philadelphia, which is near me, in

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New Jersey a few hours away, and in my state,

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so it was pretty big deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with all that and I think I

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think you're more accurate in saying that it was because

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it was hosted here as a big part of it.

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happen next time. I think it's it's definitely in a

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European country, and I don't know how the hell that's

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gonna work with what time this stuff is gonna be

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myself as a non soccer fan, non football fan, I

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wouldn't go out of my way to watch one that

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the cutoff time in our house too. Yeah was there

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was games on it at three and five, and it's like, oh,

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that works out like really well for our schedule. We'll

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do that. And but like if it started at nine

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or nine thirty, it's like, yeah, that's just not gonna happen, right,

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some of this stuff is starting at midnight, like it's

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an easy Nope.

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Speaker 2: I think we're just killing Dennis soup Puino's spirit right now.

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By the way, I'm not trying to No, we're not

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trying to do at all. Just just you know, notching

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the peg where he puts us on his pedestal will

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probably just fell a few.

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Speaker 3: I'll get some of it back. I really really like

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the tall guy that plays for Norway, and killing him

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Bape is awesome.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: I just realized that he's in Ireland and I don't

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remember watching them play.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, no, there, they weren't in it.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Yeah, there you go. You just knocked

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us down the pedestal reminding.

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Speaker 2: I'll give him a factoid though. Here Dennis, a coworker

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told me this. So apparently after Ireland didn't make it,

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a few of their players like moved over to the

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England team. That's funny, that fact but yeah, it's hopefully

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it's true. So let me know, Dennis, if I if

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I that right?

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Speaker 3: Back to Dennis, here, did you see Cody Homlander trying

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to kick an American football over the posts? No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that. I wonder how he did well.

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Speaker 3: Based on the next sentence, I think this will tell

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you there, Dennis said, I don't know if I can

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take him any in any way serious anymore. After seeing

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the video, Ben, my seven year old would at least

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do as badly as that, But even at that, I'd

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stop talking to him for the car journey home afterwards,

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Dennis says, he's joking. I'll try to link it below.

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It did not work, by the way, Dennis. Anyway, thanks

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for the great podcast. I think I know why Triah

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is so bitter and miffed about the nineteen ninety six

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King of the Ring situation. I think he thinks that

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if he had won it, he'd have gone on to

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superstardom like Stone Cold. Do not think he's not delusional

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enough and power hungry to think he'd. I've come up

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with lines as good as stone Cult did. Austin took

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the greatest shot in history that night at King of

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the Ring. I believe he'd have been awesome anyway. Totally agree.

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But still, if you're given one clear shot at something,

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it's hard to think of anyone that took that better

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in any form of sports entertainment as him. It wasn't overnight,

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but he laid foundations to build a skyscraper on the

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reason we know it was an instant is because SummerSlam

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is coming up soon. Take care and enjoy the World

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Cup Final if you watch it. There's only one every

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four years. And then our last one here from Dennis O'Brien. Alex,

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you just said, imagine if Sonny and Marty Jennetti had

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ended up together. Well, I've got news for you. It

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couldn't have went any worse, could it? And did this happen?

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And we don't know?

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Speaker 2: No, But when he wrote, when I read this, I

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was like, you know what, Dennis is actually right, It

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probably couldn't have been worse. Well, I guess, I mean,

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I guess the only thing worse is if you know

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they they don't live to the age as they are now.

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I mean, that's kind of bad. But like otherwise, I mean,

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they didn't do pretty, they didn't do very well on

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their own. I guess it's the point here, So bring

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them together.

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Speaker 3: There is something that would have been much worse.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, like a kid. Yes, yes, that's a good point.

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Speaker 3: A Sonny Jeannetti third piece would make things much worse.

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Speaker 2: Sonny Jeannetti sounds like an eighties wrestler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised that wasn't the name Sonny used once

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she went into porn. Okay, moving to mark here with

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our figure of the week. After a last week's episode,

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I was convinced to change course in how to celebrate

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the biggest thing to happen to WCW in the nineteen nineties.

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So this week's figure of the week is the nineteen

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ninety glube tom Zinc. Yes time, I mean he was

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in the top twelve of stars. He had a figure

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at that time. So we'll talk about this before I

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continue the email here. I have one question about all

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of these globe figures. Why do they all come with

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the belt?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a terrible feature. I hate this. I

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have a bunch of them over in the corner here.

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Some of them have the belt. I don't think all

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of them do, but yeah, it's terrible, really stupid. Maybe

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they were ahead of their time they thought, oh, you know,

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people aren't going to play with these, They're just gonna

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put them on the shelf. Maybe I'm just kidding, but

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really the thing about the globe though, they were unplayable,

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but they were very well designed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. Most of them look really good.

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Speaker 2: They do, except for the stupid face that Tom Zinks

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putting on in the card. Here he looks like he's

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saying I have a figure.

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Speaker 3: And farting simultaneously. M hmm.

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Speaker 2: For those either trying to hold one in or push

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one out and I can't tell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one or the other. So the best part

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of this figure is looking at the other people they

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released and really realizing how out of place Tom Zenk is.

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Speaker 2: You're not wrong.

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Speaker 3: So here's the rest of this set, Rick Flair, Arnie Anderson,

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Barry Wyndham, sid Sting, Lex Luger, Ron Simmons, Butcher Read,

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Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner, and fly In Brian Pillman and

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then yes like speed. Remember I said last week WI

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should have fired people. They should. If I are that guy,

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the guy who came up with z Man as his

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twelve person.

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Speaker 2: This is ninety. Let me think about who else was

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wrestling in ninety there. Yeah, he was there. I think

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I don't know if Steamboat hung around a little bit ninety,

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Funk might have been there for a little bit ninety.

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This guy's an indicative that picked I'm also looking down

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below that back it says clip and save.

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Speaker 3: It was a little like card looking at you. Yeah,

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it was.

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Speaker 2: Almost like a business card for Tom Zank So you

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can clip out his stupid face with his name and

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his like measurements. His favorite holds the Dropkick and the

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Sleeper and his motto is stay single. Wow.

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Speaker 3: The Dropkick and the Sleeper is the most like generic

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Creator Wrestler finishing move set ever.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, So.

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Speaker 3: Onto the real set. Here the brand new Mattel Bash

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at the Beach three pack. This set, as opposed to

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last week's, has much better packaging. I think the coolest

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feature is that it comes with garbage to display with

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the figures. This should be hitting stores any day now,

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but it is a Walmart exclusive, and as Alex noted,

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Walmart has terrible distribution. I have a similar haul in Nash,

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but I can find I may get to keep in

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box as I'm a huge nWo mark agree on the packaging.

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They really knocked it out of the park with the

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Bash at the Beach kind of theme of it, and

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again they all have the attires that we described on

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last week's episode.

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Speaker 2: I think the addition of the garbage is incredible and smart.

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I don't know how you can't, like, you know, Mark

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says it like you can display it with that. That's fine,

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I mean a Matt. I like the idea of that.

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I don't know how it comes off in execution. You

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al were talking about the packaging and it looks looks

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really well done. I like the Hogan figure, but I'm

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not sold on the face. Agreed, it might be the

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only time you see this like like sneer on his

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face and it's like well done. But if you look

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in the back of the packaging, he's like cackling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think if you they went that road or down

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that road, I think it would have better. This one's

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like you know, when you like draw a face and

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instead of like you know, you just the eyebrows, you

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like draw them like pointed inward. It's almost like they

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just did that for the mold here. They just like

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drew his eyebrows wrong.

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Speaker 3: Well. And what's funny about it two is they have

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a second head for Scott Hall, and I would have

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rather the second head for Hogan.

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Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, to solve that problem, I think that

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would have been easy. But otherwise I'm nitpicking, really, but yeah,

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I know, here's cool. He's got like the boots, you know,

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the red leotard I don't really call it, but the tights,

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and then like the yellow boots that's pretty sweet. And

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then of course the tear away sure, which is always

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a nice addition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, thank you very much. Mark, We like all

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of those. I don't know what your choice is going

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to be next week, but with comic Con, Mattel has

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given you a lot of AMMO coming up here pretty soon.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's already burned through the toms Inc. Well, and

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so I guess we can't do that one again.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, okay, Yeah, sure, I don't think we'll ever

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talk about tom Zinc again. And last week it's because

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it was an accident.

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Speaker 2: I can't I don't even know why we talked about him,

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and don't don't answer it. I'm just one I'm saying,

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I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody has to email us and tell us the

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context of the conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: Onto Dennis two point zero or I'm sorry, Dennis one

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point zero. A great job going back and giving your

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views of what you were seeing thirty years later. I

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continue to I love the chemistry between the two of

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you as hosts. It's been a fun four plus years.

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A couple of things that I always picked up on

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that you didn't talk about. Hogan is a giant dork.

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I always thought Nation Hall were just cool, not trying

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to be, not doing anything other than being themselves, and

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they were just cool. Hogan, on the other hand, was

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never cool, and he immediately shows how not cool he

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is after the second leg drop. Hogan drops the leg,

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stands up and gives the cool kids the thumbs up,

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saying I'm cool now too, right, guys, I still laugh

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every time I see the clip. So real quick, we

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talked about I don't know at some point in the

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last month that we always thought nation Hall were cool,

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and both of us just kind of hated Hogan, like

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we thought he was like the actual heel, but they

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we kind of wanted to like the other guys. Sure,

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I always thought of him as like old I guess,

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I guess I never thought of the dorky thing, But

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now that you're saying that, I see it. I just

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as a kid, I thought he was like the old

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guy trying to fit in with the young guys, even

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though they're actually like not that far apart in age,

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but and at that time they see it seemed like

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they were it does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree with you. I agree. I never

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thought he was kind of a dorky guy. I can

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00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,680
see what is being said here, though it makes sense.

475
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,559
I think you see it for me. I think I

476
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,200
see it more in like maybe a year or so.

477
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:33,720
Remember when he wears like that, it's not even like

478
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:37,519
a do rag, but it's almost like a like a hat.

479
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,720
It's like a I don't even know how, like a

480
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,079
knitted hat or something like as if it's like a

481
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,039
winter hat. But it's not. I can't, I can't explain it.

482
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,400
Maybe you can help me out here. But oh, beanie,

483
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,720
it's like a beanie, but it's got it's almost like

484
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:51,680
that long.

485
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,559
Speaker 3: Street Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's a pointy beanie.

486
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really all it's. That's where to me, he

487
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,960
looks like a dork and just playing a young guy.

488
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,839
That's like, hey, fellow teenagers, how you do? Yes? You know,

489
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,960
he's like fifty.

490
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,759
Speaker 3: I think the doorkey is he gets is when Bischoff

491
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,119
gives him the motorcycle and then him and Bischoff jerk

492
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,599
each other off all over the motorcycle. You remember that

493
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,160
I did? I did. Yeah, that's like, it's that, and

494
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,920
then what you're talking about with the the beanie, that's

495
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,440
a good one.

496
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

497
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: And then the icing on all of that cake is

498
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:33,079
later in WCW where he becomes stone cold hul Cogan

499
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,160
and he calls everybody bitch, yeah, and he wears the

500
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:39,960
fu new Blood jacket. Remember that, that's right?

501
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So here's the thing though, I mean, I

502
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:48,519
understand what Dennis is saying here, but do you think

503
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:51,279
part of his spiel like to give him credit a

504
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:55,039
little bit or maybe propose him getting credit. Is he

505
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,920
doing that because he knows it's quote dorky and or

506
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,680
I'm the old guy to act cool like in order

507
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,519
to get over as a heel even more on the

508
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:05,480
gimmick here.

509
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: I think it's I don't know how to answer that.

510
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:16,559
With the thumbs up, I think he's trying to I

511
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,319
think he's trying to signal with the thumbs up that

512
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,720
he actually cares about the approval of the heels, but

513
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,799
he does not realize it makes him look like a goofball.

514
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with that too. I mean that's

515
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:33,039
mostly his mo o and his life just doesn't realize

516
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:33,759
he's a goofball.

517
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he was more trying to make sure

518
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,759
that he got across that, like, not only does he

519
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,599
hate Savage, but he is in fact with these other two.

520
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, I a good call out there by Dennis.

521
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,839
I never thought of the dorky element, which is obviously

522
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,680
a big point of his email here, and I can

523
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:56,400
definitely see it.

524
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. One more historical thing with Gene is this, I

525
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:04,640
agree mean, Jene being there is one of the best

526
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,920
things of the entire night. People like myself who were

527
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,480
in their later teens in ninety six remember Hogan and

528
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,880
Gene even teaming together in the WF So him being

529
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,200
in the ring was really needed. W CB hitting on everything.

530
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:21,759
This is one of those rare cases where w CB

531
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680
hits with what they are trying to do. The issue

532
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,279
with all of this and other big storylines that get

533
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,039
over huge is their lack of knowing how to write

534
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:32,079
an ending. We've talked about this one hundred times, so

535
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,720
great call out, Dennis. This is a huge issue in

536
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:39,079
the movie world. Horror movies, which are my favorite often

537
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:42,440
are good, too great for about sixty to seventy minutes,

538
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,680
and then the last ten to twenty is garbage, which

539
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,480
is the NBO story in a nutshell, except it's flipped.

540
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:53,720
The first ten to twenty minutes quotations are good and

541
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:55,240
the rest is garbage.

542
00:29:57,599 --> 00:29:58,400
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543
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,759
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544
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,279
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545
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:05,839
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546
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547
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:12,160
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548
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549
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550
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551
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552
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553
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554
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556
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: Some other quick notes from last week. Sonny and Candido

557
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:44,319
never officially got married. Barry Wyndham's last match in WCW

558
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,039
was in nineteen eighty four, when he was the six

559
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,079
foot seven, three hundred pound blonde they hyped up to

560
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:51,000
go against Flair.

561
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:52,519
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

562
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:56,039
Speaker 3: That is right. Yeah. Wyndham then re injured his knee

563
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,200
and was out for two years. The original plan coming

564
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,519
into WF supposed to be back in a tag team

565
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,640
with I R S in the million dollar corporation and

566
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,279
be called New Money Inc. My question is, if he's

567
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:12,000
teaming with I R S, then what government agency is

568
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,079
Wyndham going to be?

569
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,319
Speaker 2: Well, if it was twenty twenty yeah, twenty twenty six,

570
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,119
we could have a field date with that one.

571
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: Well obviously because Barry Wyndham would clearly be like what's

572
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:27,359
whatever rfk's title was.

573
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,759
Speaker 2: So I was thinking, yeah, uh, had a CDC or something.

574
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I feel like Wyndham would be like

575
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,440
fish and wildlife, but that doesn't go with the I

576
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,000
R S.

577
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, firearms and tobacco.

578
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: Oh ATF Yes maybe yes, ATF and I R S.

579
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: I think we've got it. Yeah, that's and he could

580
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,160
still be the gimmick he has later this year.

581
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, why not?

582
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 2: Why not? Who cares?

583
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: That's when he goes undercover here you go. Yeah, okay,

584
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,359
So final an email from my side. This is Paul

585
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,079
again to your question last week about did Dusty and

586
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:16,240
Bobby walk off leaving Tony at the broadcast position alone. No,

587
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:19,799
they all three walked off like nothing had happened. Once

588
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,720
I guess the credits started rolling. That's when the lights

589
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,359
overhead of the broadcast area went off and they left.

590
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:27,359
That's what I was saying the email you read. Had

591
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,960
they choreographed that departure better, it would have looked even

592
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:31,119
more realistic.

593
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,119
Speaker 2: Fair clarification.

594
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,799
Speaker 3: Yep, thank you very much, Paul.

595
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Paul of course being a big integral piece

596
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480
of our show last week with all the in person

597
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,599
takeaways of the ninety six bash. So that's great stuff.

598
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,400
Thank you, Paul. All Right, you talked about it. We've

599
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,680
got trivia for you, Alex. Looks like we have five

600
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,000
questions from Dennis, of course, and I gotta tell you

601
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:58,559
I didn't read these at all, so I have no

602
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,440
idea what's coming. I can't tell you if they're hard

603
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,400
or not or whatever. It is, just for context. You

604
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,279
haven't done this in a few weeks. You're still up,

605
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,480
of course, shocker one hundred and thirteen to my one

606
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:12,720
to eight and a half. So you're gonna obviously pad

607
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:17,519
your lead today, all things willing on your end. Let's

608
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,160
go question number one one night only gimmicks. What now

609
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,920
legendary tag team donned masks for one night only and

610
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:34,519
played the Jinks brothers. That's it. There's no clarification, there's

611
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,000
no hints, there's nothing.

612
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: What year is it?

613
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: I don't know nothing.

614
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: So you don't even know what year it is.

615
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: I I think I do. I see either. I have

616
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,839
got two years in my head. I'm not saying, but no,

617
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,359
I've got a range. I'll say I've got a range

618
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:03,559
in my head.

619
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 3: Well edgend Christian were the conquistadors? That's not helpful. I

620
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,639
don't know what a Jink's brother is.

621
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:22,079
Speaker 2: I can actually visualize them. I actually I do recall this,

622
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:23,920
and I do. I think I believe I narrowed down

623
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,639
the here.

624
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't even have a guess.

625
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:38,760
How about the Nasty Boys? That's my guess, one.

626
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: Hundred percent, no final answer. All right, it actually is

627
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,400
the Hardy Boys. I'm pretty sure. Yes, if you google them,

628
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,920
just google the Jinks brothers and images you'll see them.

629
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,159
It looks like it was on a Superstar, so I

630
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,039
was a little I think this was ninety six just

631
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:03,360
from the looks of it. Wildo or Wildo Wildo and

632
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:04,440
Ingus Jinx.

633
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: I've never seen this before.

634
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if it's on the Superstars randomly in nineteen

635
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,320
ninety six, I think it's a tough one. All right,

636
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:17,880
Number two. I'm in the weeds for this one. But

637
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,760
I heard this fact and thought it would make for

638
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,280
a good trivia question against the great one Alex MacDonald.

639
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:28,320
Oh great in nineteen ninety Marty Jannetti was having issues

640
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,320
keeping a job in nineteen eighty nine and nineteen eighty seven. Okay,

641
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:38,599
never someone six, Yeah, someone was taped to replace Marty

642
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,360
in the Rockers, but it never excused me. Tapped to

643
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,719
replace Marty and the Rockers, It never actually happened. Then,

644
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,760
in a bit of irony, on this wrestler's last night

645
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239
in the company, rustling the House show, he teamed with

646
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,880
Marty to defeat the Orient Express. So in a weird way,

647
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,559
he's the third Rocker. Can you tell me who this

648
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:58,239
wrestler is?

649
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 3: I think I know this, but I don't know how

650
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:09,159
true that story is. Not that I'm questioning Dennis. I'm

651
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,199
questioning the person that told Dennis that I this is

652
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:18,400
more because and he worked there at the time. I

653
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,000
think I've heard this before, and I think it's Shane Douglas.

654
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: You are correct, Yeah, I think it's Shane Douglas. One fourteen.

655
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:30,599
All right, so I read ahead this one while you

656
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,400
were answering this one. Have a I have a gripe

657
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,559
with this one, but I'll let you. I'll I'll actually

658
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:42,519
let you answer what Dennis's answer is and what I

659
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:45,159
think the actual answer is, and you'll know what I mean.

660
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:50,440
In a second number three. I figured i'd dial it

661
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,480
back after that one and just have a straightforward, maybe

662
00:36:53,559 --> 00:37:00,159
easy question. Who ended mister Perfect's original winning streak?

663
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I I mean it's a mania, isn't it.

664
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything.

665
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:30,159
Speaker 3: It's not Warrior. Well maybe, Eh, This is hard though,

666
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,840
because like I think he loses to Hogan on a

667
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,559
house show. But I don't think that's the answer because

668
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,360
I don't think that's the spirit of the question. I

669
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,440
want to say it's Warrior, but I don't think that's

670
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,800
Warrior because I think I think I'm thinking of Honky

671
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,360
tonk Man.

672
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: It's not Tatanka, that's for sure. It's amazing that give

673
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,159
to Tanka more of a hoopla around his wing streak

674
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,800
and mister Perfect kind of just like just happened.

675
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: Hey, it was perfect.

676
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,679
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, it's strange.

677
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: I think I think it's beefcake.

678
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,519
Speaker 2: All right, Yes, that's what Dennis has here. But ironically,

679
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,239
I believe it actually is a warrior at an MSG show.

680
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,239
I've seen it to WrestleMania six.

681
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is I think that's what's screwing

682
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,760
me up is because first of all, I think every

683
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,360
person we named is right.

684
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ogan Doo, I gave you the point either way, Like,

685
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:40,840
I'm totally fine with it. I just I do believe

686
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,079
that it was a warrior at MSG like a week

687
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,800
before many or something like really and and and here's

688
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,480
the thing, just just to be clear, if the question

689
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,079
said like televised that, that's one hundred percent accurate. Well,

690
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:02,239
so anyway, number four, can you tell me the last

691
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,760
NWA TNA champion. Angle is the first ever TEENA champion

692
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,800
and won that in a triple threat after the NWA

693
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
pulled their title from the TNA shows.

694
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:21,039
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's this is a complicated answer too, because

695
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,760
I argue that it's Angle because he was the champion

696
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:24,679
when they swapped it.

697
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: But at least Dennis gave you the clarity of what

698
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,239
yeah heard of what he's looking for.

699
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,519
Speaker 3: I just I feel I feel like they didn't give

700
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,760
him that. I could be misremembering this, but I feel

701
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,039
like they didn't give him the TNA title until like

702
00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:44,920
after the pay per view, you know what I mean,

703
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,760
Like he won and then they gave it like yeah, yeah,

704
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,280
Like I could be totally misremembering that, but I feel

705
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,519
like that's what happened. Okay, So in that era, the

706
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:01,039
other choices they were he used to put the title

707
00:40:01,079 --> 00:40:04,679
on Samoa Joe for like forever, So even though he

708
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:11,000
should be the answer, it's not him. So the other possibilities.

709
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:16,159
This sounds really messed up, and I apologize, but I

710
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,639
don't know if this is the same time when Jared's

711
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:23,559
wife died or not. So he's one of my possibilities

712
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:29,360
because I'm not one thousand percent sure of that timeline

713
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,880
because I think all of that stuff happens at the

714
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:41,039
same time. Okay, so jaredt Sting, Christian Cage, and then Joe,

715
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,400
but it's it's not Joe, so it's got to be

716
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,480
one of them. So I'm gonna go with Sting just

717
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:50,320
because I can't narrow down the Jarrett Thing, and I

718
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440
think Christian had already turned at that point, so I

719
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,920
think it's I think it's sting.

720
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: It is Christian Cage. God damn it, you had it.

721
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,960
You're in the bulk, all right. Number five, last question.

722
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:05,519
This one's a tough one. I didn't know this one.

723
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,360
Can you tell me the sixth money in the bank winner?

724
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,519
It was the last to be held at WrestleMania.

725
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: Okay, twenty one is Edge, twenty two is Rob van Dam,

726
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:39,480
twenty three is mister Kennedy, twenty four is cmpunk Uh

727
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:47,800
twenty five? Oh you know what it's it's missing in

728
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:53,079
it's miss final answers. It has to be because that's

729
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,559
how he wins the thing to defend it the following year.

730
00:41:56,559 --> 00:42:02,480
And if oh wait, wait, wait wait, is that bad math?

731
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:08,400
Because hang on a second, the first pay per view,

732
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:13,440
the first money in the bank pay per view is

733
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:19,079
when Punk leaves with the title, and that's after twenty seven,

734
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,400
and that's in twenty ten.

735
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: Right, I think it's twenty ten.

736
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,079
Speaker 3: Which would mean that the last money in the bank

737
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:39,559
at WrestleMania is twenty six and mizzen in cash is

738
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,079
in money in the bank to win the title. To

739
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,760
defend it against Sena. Am I like misremembering all that.

740
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just asking the questions. Although I do

741
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,480
love how you're calling him missing in.

742
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: Oh Am, I supposed to just call him miss his

743
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:55,280
name is missing.

744
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:58,119
Speaker 2: I don't. It's just funny that you never hear anyone

745
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:04,639
call him by his name Zan and whatever itsality.

746
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: I'm like really bothered by this because I feel.

747
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,039
Speaker 2: Like Dennis Well Alex is figuring out over there. I

748
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:14,119
think you broke them this week.

749
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:23,199
Speaker 3: Unless my math is really oh, I'm stupid. No, No,

750
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:28,199
that's not it, because twenty one, twenty three, twenty four,

751
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,079
twenty five, twenty six, I'm right about the number. But

752
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,719
it's not because they had two belts. I'm stupid. It's

753
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:48,239
it's the other guy. It's not oh my god, all

754
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,559
those people that they hired that didn't work.

755
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 2: Out, well, that's the long last dude.

756
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,079
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but you remember that time period where like

757
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,599
everybody they brought in, like Kennedy and of course Rio

758
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,239
and like everybody they did in Carlito, like everybody they

759
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,800
tried just didn't work out. Masters he was the other one.

760
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,079
But this guy they tried, he's the jackass that just

761
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,119
got knocked out on Dana White's show. What the what

762
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:15,599
the hell is his wrestling name?

763
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: Oh to you because you're gonna love this. Uh, the

764
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,679
answer is Jack I got knocked the f out on

765
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,159
Power Slap Swagger.

766
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: That's right.

767
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: That's how ye answers the question here or gives the

768
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,440
answer here. Okay, you got it. I give it to you.

769
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 3: Well because because he he beats Oh, I don't remember.

770
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,639
It's like the worst world title run in like the

771
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:46,199
history of that company with that You remember that with

772
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,000
the the the big gold bell. I mean, not like

773
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,920
every yeah, you know what I mean, but like I.

774
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: Well, well done, especially that nice ending one sixteen So

775
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,800
I think was that three? He got three right there?

776
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,159
So I have some work to do. Hopefully maybe I'll

777
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:05,679
get a chance to do that next week.

778
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: I'm pissed off about that T and A thing.

779
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: That You're gonna have a tough sleep tonight, I can tell.

780
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 3: I really wish I remembered that timeline better. And I

781
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,519
would like to point out is Sting the Does it

782
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:22,679
have any answer if Sting is the third person in

783
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:23,119
the match.

784
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,599
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't say, didn't clarify.

785
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,039
Speaker 3: I'm really curious, didn't have.

786
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: Like a date or anything either.

787
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,679
Speaker 3: So it's like September, I think, is it? That's why

788
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,000
that's why I'm thrown off, because it's like it's not

789
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,239
at one of their big shows. It was like a

790
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,400
weird thing that happened.

791
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: Were they finished doing weekly shows by then?

792
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:45,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what they were already on Spike at that point.

793
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,639
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, so the end title actually lasts longer

794
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:49,519
than I was envisioning.

795
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: Oh no, like five or six years?

796
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,679
Speaker 2: Interesting? Okay.

797
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

798
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:57,639
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Speaker 2: All right, let's pivot here to issue three ninety seven

818
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:55,159
again week of July twenty, nineteen ninety six. It's worth

819
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,480
noting that the major, the main headline here is about

820
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,639
UFC ten. Right before he went on air, Alex and

821
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:04,960
I were like, we're not talking about UFC ten. It's

822
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,679
nineteen ninety six. It's UFC. It's not gonna happen. But

823
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,679
if you would love to talk about UFC ten, you

824
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:14,360
can mosey on over to the Torch website VIP of course,

825
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,800
and read it for yourself.

826
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,119
Speaker 3: Wake me up when Brad Lessner shows up.

827
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 2: There is a call out though, on the main page

828
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:29,320
for a pretty significant headline here WF securing hunter Hurst

829
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,159
Helmsley while also losing the one two three kid so

830
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,119
more movement here as ninety six has been the year

831
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:41,239
of movement between the companies. Wade says one two three

832
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,360
Kid Sean Waltman is headed to WCW this month, while

833
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,960
fellow Click member Triple H committed to three more years

834
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,840
with WWF. Kid was ready to return to the ring

835
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,000
after several months, but the WF all for him a choice,

836
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,320
even though his contract didn't expire until February of ninety seven.

837
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,159
He would is allowed to follow Scott holland Kevin Nash

838
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:05,559
to WCW. Kid was seen as both an asset and

839
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,159
a risk by the company, and they didn't want him

840
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:11,559
around if he was gonna be unhappy or unreliable. The

841
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:14,039
Kid gave his notice on Friday and is awaiting his

842
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:17,119
official release, at which point he will sign the multi

843
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:21,119
year deal with w CW. He'll likely joined Hall, Nash,

844
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:25,119
and Hogan in the New World Order. The plan is

845
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,840
for nWo to eventually consist of five wrestlers, if only

846
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:33,079
the fifth being Jeff Jarrett, who can sign with ww

847
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:36,480
as of October. Let me pause here for a second.

848
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,639
Two things that I want to call out here. One

849
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:45,559
perfect timing for the NDO to get another member at

850
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,239
some point once you know Walton's delay able to jump

851
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,280
over there and just again a great alignment with you know,

852
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:55,920
the idea of what this endo is really taking over

853
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:59,559
WCW and like lo and behold. I mean, maybe he's

854
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,480
not a big at this point, but it's like, here's

855
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:04,719
another WF guy that's going to join our ranks and

856
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,119
it's just like really well timing.

857
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 3: Agreed, great stuff, Yeah, agreed, And you know Wallman fits.

858
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,000
He's also a part of the what's the best way

859
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,360
I can put this. He can almost play it like

860
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,000
WF didn't use him enough and like he didn't get

861
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,199
it an opportunity. I don't think they'd do that with him,

862
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,239
but like they could, they could play into that. And

863
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,760
obviously he fits the aesthetic. People who are in the

864
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,559
know know he's friends with these guys already, so it

865
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:43,920
contributes to the the realness of it, if you will. Yeah,

866
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,039
he was paired with Scott Hall on screen too, so yeah,

867
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:48,079
it works, it works.

868
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get a little bit of a look into

869
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,559
his heel persona. I mean when I say a little bit,

870
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,440
I mean he's a full on heel in WF toward

871
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,599
the end, but it's just kind of like kind kind

872
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:58,559
of the cry baby.

873
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:59,039
Speaker 3: Literally.

874
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: I know they did the baby match, but that's what

875
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,639
I was going for. He just kind of like a baby,

876
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,039
like like a literal baby as a heel.

877
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: I don't understand why he didn't grow the beard in uh.

878
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,639
Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably evinced decision. But that's a good call.

879
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,880
That's a good call. But again I'm trying to not

880
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,239
say too much because we know how he is in

881
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,280
ws W as like a character. So my point here

882
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,519
is I have faith that he will be able to

883
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:27,960
turn it on.

884
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:34,199
Speaker 3: I do too, and I would argue the peak of

885
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:41,840
Sean Waltman is basically what's about to happen through the

886
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,920
tag team with Kane.

887
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Actually, that's a good that's

888
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,039
a good like bookend.

889
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's with what's her face? Right? And they teach

890
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:56,760
Kane how to talk Tori? Yeah, yeah, that's right, good one.

891
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: It's so stupid.

892
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 3: Just because they retcon the whole story like eight times,

893
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,360
does it mean some of us don't remember the Organs.

894
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: They taught him how to talk, and that very same

895
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,719
man became the mayor.

896
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:17,599
Speaker 3: Yep. His first words were suck at.

897
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: They were yeah, And now he's telling the Democrats to suck.

898
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: It well and Republicans because he's a libertarian.

899
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,159
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, that's a good point. Okay, And here's

900
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,159
the other point I wanted to make. So we talked

901
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:35,679
about Sean Lolman and maybe a little bit more to

902
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,320
go there. But the other point, the way he calls

903
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,320
out is one, we can make fun of Jeff Jerrett

904
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,280
being a fifth member, that's fine, whatever, But the fact

905
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,840
that there's only five people, I think that's intriguing. That's

906
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,400
at least the early idea of what this is. I

907
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:55,960
wish they latched onto that idea. Again, let's not say

908
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,679
too much, but what are your thoughts on having five

909
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,639
people and you know, the one being potentially Jeff Jarrett.

910
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 3: I want to argue that it actually would have been

911
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,639
six because we all know that DBASI was going to

912
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:08,400
be a part of the end of you.

913
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's true. That would have been that that

914
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:12,360
was already pretty much reported too.

915
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I'm so I'm gonna give way to

916
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:17,320
pass and say.

917
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: Yes, you can say five wrestlers. So, yes, it's a

918
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,400
good point. It is clear there, clear there.

919
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: I would be fine with it. I mean, so, I

920
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,760
think everybody has their own like perfect nWo, and I

921
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,519
think most people's are different, honestly, Like, I think if

922
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:42,519
I asked you, like, you get five guys, who are they?

923
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,400
I don't think your five would be the same as mine.

924
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: Probably not. I mean everyone's gonna start off with the

925
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,199
core three.

926
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, but then who's four and five?

927
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,119
Speaker 2: Yeah?

928
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:57,559
Speaker 3: And I think you get wildly different answers because I think,

929
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:01,320
for one, I don't think actually, I don't think either

930
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,880
one of our other two would match.

931
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,599
Speaker 2: I don't have to think about who mine would be.

932
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,559
I just told you off air that Savage. It's like

933
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:14,440
it'd be interesting that if Savage never became an NBO member.

934
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,440
But as you're asking me the question now, like if

935
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,119
you only kept it to five people, I'm like, maybe

936
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:20,159
I would have him in the end of.

937
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: You Oh okay, then maybe only one of ours doesn't match.

938
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I didn't think more.

939
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,679
Speaker 3: About that, but like, and and you know what, actually

940
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,840
I would expand it to six because there's somebody else

941
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,800
that I really want in there to be like perfect

942
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,960
but Virgil right, well obviously yeah.

943
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:38,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

944
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: But my point is is that it's a great idea,

945
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,079
but it's hard to tell who it is, and I

946
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:52,920
don't necessarily think that that five is perfect. I like

947
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,519
the idea of Jared and the n OFO. The irony

948
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:57,239
is he ends up in the end of O with

949
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,559
like none of these people.

950
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was waiting for them to be excommunicated so

951
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:03,960
he can join.

952
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually I think technically Nash is in nWo two thousand,

953
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:08,800
that's true.

954
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's another thing too, Like this what I

955
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,559
said about Walman being like, you never really saw his

956
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,159
edgier side, so you're, you know, putting a lot of

957
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,599
assumption on Well it's Jeff Jared, Like what is he

958
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,599
gonna wear a cowboy hat in this, you know, in

959
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:25,760
this version? But no, I don't think he would. I

960
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,840
think you would see an edgier version of him. I mean,

961
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:31,320
they better do that. If they don't, that's that's a

962
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,760
terrible idea. But that's where they need to go, or

963
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,920
he need to go. As far as his character, he joined,

964
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:40,440
he would.

965
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,159
Speaker 3: But I don't think Jared in ninety six was ready

966
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:44,599
for that.

967
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,559
Speaker 2: I don't either.

968
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,639
Speaker 3: I don't either, And I'm the first one to like

969
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,719
toot Jared's horn and talk about how much I think

970
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,559
they should have given him a shot, but he fits

971
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,880
more than ninety four ninety five mold of top he

972
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,360
which is why they should have done it. Then he

973
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,199
fits into ninety six ninety seven ninety eight top heel.

974
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

975
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's just kind of I don't know. I

976
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,559
don't know if he would have been right for this.

977
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,159
With that said, I don't think what they do for

978
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,679
him is right for him either, So it doesn't really matter.

979
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,559
Speaker 2: I guess you're right, it really isn't. And he kind

980
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:26,320
of gets lost in shovel pretty quickly, and he has

981
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,000
nothing to do with the nWo, but we'll we'll talk

982
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:31,760
about that at some point. The other thing, here's the thing.

983
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,639
I mean, I think it makes sense that his name

984
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,719
is on this list because as of now this is

985
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,519
a WWFP, you know, or former WF, So that makes

986
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,440
sense from that angle, and he's young. Yeah. Yeah.

987
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: Also, if you look at like the theme of the

988
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:59,400
faction outside of outside of Dbiassi and Hogan, all of

989
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,800
these guys have hies to each other, and he also

990
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:06,159
was working with the click in WF.

991
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 2: True.

992
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So even from the like smart fan part of this,

993
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,840
he makes a lot of sense as the fifth guy

994
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,960
because he feuded with all of them except for Diesel,

995
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,519
but he also worked with Diesel on the house shows

996
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:25,000
as a world title Channe I was.

997
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: At one of those house shows, so I can attest.

998
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree, like I would argue Jeff Jarrett was

999
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,280
more in the click than just incredible. Was what the

1000
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:35,880
hell do I know.

1001
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: You might be onto something? Wade goes on to say

1002
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,440
McMahon decided WF was not going to be the grooming

1003
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,079
grounds for ww's future made of venters. He decided not

1004
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:50,639
to push anyone who isn't willing to make a long

1005
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,400
term commitment. What do you think about that?

1006
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: I agree with it. The only thing that I don't

1007
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,840
super agree with is that he like screws this up

1008
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,199
later because we all know what happens with one very

1009
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,679
rude guy if you understand where I'm coming from, Yeah,

1010
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:15,559
and a beard and a mustache. But like he the

1011
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,719
problem is is that they say this in this era,

1012
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,920
and they're right, like, you don't want to put all

1013
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,800
of your eggs into these baskets that are just gonna

1014
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,360
like walk out and leave right, But they don't like

1015
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:37,159
continue that. For one and for two, you also have

1016
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,239
to make sacrifices to be good again, but they are

1017
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,639
admitting that they're rebuilding. So from like a sports standpoint,

1018
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:54,639
this is very similar to a build through the draft approach,

1019
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:57,679
where you draft guys, you have control of them for

1020
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,039
four years and those of the people that you're gonna

1021
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:06,480
push and build your team around. So from a wrestling standpoint,

1022
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:09,599
I guess this is the equivalent of that is to

1023
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:12,320
know you have three to four years to build the guy.

1024
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,880
I think it's incredibly interesting that Helmsley is the guy

1025
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:21,280
they chose to do that with, but you know, more

1026
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,519
so the irony with all the other people that we're

1027
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:27,360
talking about. But I don't know, it's I get it,

1028
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:34,519
But I also think there's always room for uh exceptions,

1029
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:40,400
I guess, but again if they kind of make their

1030
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,119
exceptions with the wrong people. Ultimate Warrior, as much as

1031
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,639
I like him, said, that's true.

1032
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's a great that's a great call out there.

1033
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,679
I tend to agree with you too, and that this

1034
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,679
is the right move. And maybe it's just I'm biased

1035
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:01,239
because of what you know transpires, but there is a

1036
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:03,119
flip side to it, and you know, I can use

1037
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:07,519
current day Tony Kahan and aw like, maybe not right

1038
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,320
now as you record this, But in recent years there's

1039
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,159
there were guys that came from the WWF WWE rather

1040
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,880
and then you know, we're reported to want to go back,

1041
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,360
and he ultimately sat on them for a while or

1042
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,400
if and when that happens, he kind of just like

1043
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,079
you're under contract, just sit it out, fine, whatever. So

1044
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:29,280
that's that's a possibility too. Of Course, maybe Vince doesn't

1045
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,280
have the luxury in nineteen ninety six to do that

1046
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:35,079
between the dollars and of course just making sure his

1047
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:40,360
locker room is happy enough and not does not does

1048
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:46,239
not have reason to get all angry and just rise

1049
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,400
up against him for lack of a better description. So

1050
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:52,719
I mean, I I tend to agree with it as well.

1051
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,639
It is weird because you know, Sean Wallman's a young

1052
00:59:56,679 --> 01:00:00,360
guy and he is you know, And that's.

1053
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: The other problem withf is they're not they're not scouring

1054
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,079
the globe for people to help them in their rebuild.

1055
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,119
Speaker 2: They're just resigned.

1056
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:14,639
Speaker 3: They're resigning a guy who already works here, who's fine,

1057
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:20,320
has potential. But like, I don't buy for a second

1058
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:23,679
that anybody thinks Hunter Hurst Helmsley in nineteen ninety six

1059
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:26,599
is going to become what he is in ninety nine

1060
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:28,719
two thousand. I don't buy that. I think it's bullshit.

1061
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, one hundred percent agree, Yeah, one hundred agree.

1062
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,679
Helmley entered the WF doghouse speaking of him after a

1063
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,400
showing of unity with Hull and Nash on their final

1064
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,800
night in the company, the infamous MSG click curtain call.

1065
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:51,320
He's also done jobs ever since, ASF awaited his decision

1066
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,239
either to commit for three years or be buried under

1067
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,400
his until his contract expired. But last Tuesday he agreed

1068
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,599
to a multi year contract, including a minimum guarantee now

1069
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:07,039
at WBF contract standard, so he is locked up while

1070
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:07,760
the kid moves on.

1071
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:17,599
Speaker 3: If if Hunter had left, like say, for example, that

1072
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,920
Hunter said that's fine, just job me out and I'll

1073
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,599
leave and I'll go hang out with my friends in

1074
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,239
WCW and join the nWo and be you know, nWo

1075
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:35,079
aristocrat Paul Levec who would it do you think would

1076
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:40,000
have gotten that spot as like that mid card kind

1077
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,199
of guy who just kind of hung around the mid

1078
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,559
card for years. Obviously the DX thing probably doesn't happen,

1079
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,880
so it's kind of hard to like play that out

1080
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:51,480
all the way through like ninety seven, But like, who

1081
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,760
do you think gets that spot, like in the short term.

1082
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: I actually think Billy Gunn.

1083
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: That's not a bad answer. No, he wasn't my answer,

1084
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:01,679
but that's not a bad an.

1085
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, because he's kind of in that role

1086
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,760
now and Bark, but he's an attack team. He's kind

1087
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,280
of doing it, but he's an attack team. But you

1088
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,719
can see already of the two, he's got more charisma

1089
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,280
and there's more to them, and.

1090
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,719
Speaker 3: They m they like him.

1091
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we know what happens with him too,

1092
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:20,920
so it's kind of leading the witness a little bit.

1093
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,760
But yeah, that's the first thing that came to my mind.

1094
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,639
I think they might they might use him sooner.

1095
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,039
Speaker 3: In that role. That's a really good answer. I like

1096
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:31,840
that better than my answer. Who was it Owen Hart?

1097
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish, I wish that's the dream answer.

1098
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: I just mean, I can picture Owen being the heel

1099
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:47,159
that like works with gold Dust at Mania thirteen. I

1100
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:50,800
could see them doing something funny and giving him China.

1101
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,840
I could see Owen being like the intercondinental champion that

1102
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,360
drops it to Rocky my Via. I know I'm getting

1103
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,360
way ahead of the curve here, but you get yeah, front.

1104
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: I actually liked the China idea because they would like

1105
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,360
knowing how when he wouldn't want to do like a

1106
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,840
sexual gimmick, so he'd just be like using this like

1107
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:11,920
as they call all like this Amazon woman to like

1108
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,800
fight his fights for him, and he would just how

1109
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:14,760
would be so perfect.

1110
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, she'd be girl Yokazuna.

1111
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly exactly he would. He would be so good.

1112
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,199
Speaker 3: She could low blow people and he would just pin them.

1113
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: Me and then celebrate wild and celebrate yes as she

1114
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:32,719
stands like a statue in the corner. So good, so good.

1115
01:03:35,639 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 6: Hey everyone, longtime PW Torch commist Sean radikin here to

1116
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,679
let you know I've revamped and renewed the Raaticant Worldwide

1117
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:47,440
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1118
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:49,880
I break down four or five of the biggest trending

1119
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,960
topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, providing

1120
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,800
insight that helps you understand the story better or see

1121
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,840
it another way. Then maybe it's the controversial takeout there.

1122
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,280
Then I bring on a special guest for the second

1123
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,280
half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone

1124
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,639
else who works in the business. Other times, it's a

1125
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,760
guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view out

1126
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,800
a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have

1127
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,119
included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. One of my

1128
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:19,920
areas of specialty is the Japan wrestling scene, so I

1129
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,880
often cover a big topic from Japan with PW Torch,

1130
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,639
his own, Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. I

1131
01:04:26,679 --> 01:04:28,920
don't just cover the news. I don't just riff on

1132
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,239
the news or give a standard hot take. I'll bring

1133
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,039
my decades of studying this industry and talking one on

1134
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:37,480
one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show

1135
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:40,880
so you understand not just what's happening, but the context

1136
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,480
of why get ahead of the news, get ahead of

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1138
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: Anything else on this kind of this pseudo cover story.

1139
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:59,039
Speaker 3: No, we can move on, okay, oh, World Wrestling Federation,

1140
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,039
the years, the Revolutionary Force and Sports.

1141
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: Entertapment actually a lot off news this week, and especially

1142
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,039
after last week's a smaller portion dedicated to the show

1143
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,239
with go to be taking so much time up first

1144
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,440
one here syndication issues arise for the company Big One too.

1145
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:25,440
WS Fox affiliate in New York is moving or preempting

1146
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,000
Superstars on Saturdays because Fox Baseball has begun every Saturday.

1147
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,000
And actually, I remember this really well. In this era

1148
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:36,320
I had, you know, this is the ninety six. I

1149
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,679
had a TV in my room. It was like the

1150
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:44,599
the non cable version. It had like the extended ears.

1151
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,800
What do they call them? Yeah, I guess ears, right, Yeah,

1152
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,119
they'res Yeah. So I would turn it on and obviously

1153
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:52,519
we didn't get many stations on that TV, so I

1154
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:54,519
would just sit on my bed, playing with my figures

1155
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,719
and my wrestling figures and watch US Superstars. It was fun.

1156
01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:01,679
As a result, super Stars will no longer be carried

1157
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,800
on the Fox affiliate. Channel thirty one is being purchased

1158
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:09,079
by the MSG Network and undergoing a facelift. WWF is

1159
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:12,000
in negotiations with Channel thirty one so they would keep

1160
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,360
an over the air affiliate in New York, a key

1161
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,199
to keeping a major league presence in that market and

1162
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:24,079
to keep the momentum the MSG events. Half onto some

1163
01:06:24,159 --> 01:06:25,880
notes here, and this is where we get really some

1164
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:30,159
heavy duty stuff. Ron Simmons is scheduled to debut on

1165
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:34,880
the live raw on July fifteenth. So this is the

1166
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,719
July twentieth raw, so these obviously when it was written

1167
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,199
next week, we should have details on that.

1168
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of those details is a blue helmet. Can't wait?

1169
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 2: So does he switch to the silver or am I

1170
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,480
making that up in my head? Does he never have

1171
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:51,360
a silver helmet?

1172
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:54,559
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you that the figure comes with

1173
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:56,760
two heads, one with a blue helmet and one with

1174
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,519
a silver helmet. Right, so I don't know which one

1175
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:02,960
he starts within which one he finishes, but both exist.

1176
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad I didn't make that up because that

1177
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,280
would be a weird thing to make up.

1178
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: It really would be. But no, the point is before

1179
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:19,360
Ron Simmons has a very racially charged militant group. We

1180
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:23,280
have to suffer through this shit first is basically, and

1181
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,679
for some reason he's with Sonny. It's you'll see, it's

1182
01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:28,440
not fun.

1183
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: Basically, this gimmick turns him into a racially charged like militant.

1184
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:38,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. I'm gathering The irony is that the

1185
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:43,360
only like thread between the two characters is they both

1186
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,280
really hate Ahmed Johnson.

1187
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: Well, by then, I mean we all realize there's reasons too,

1188
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:57,880
so everyone's like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. No update

1189
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,199
on the Bruce brothers and their talks with the company,

1190
01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:03,719
as we talked about recently, So there's no update there.

1191
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:07,320
WF did a report on their nine hundred line saying

1192
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,360
Crush would be returning.

1193
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: Prison.

1194
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I do vaguely remember maybe I said

1195
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,760
this already when we were reported he was in prison,

1196
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,640
but I remember, like some more of the weekend shows Todd,

1197
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,720
pen and Gill like actually told us he was in prison.

1198
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 3: It was so weird.

1199
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:26,279
Speaker 2: It's a random thing.

1200
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,319
Speaker 3: I still don't remember what he went to prison for.

1201
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:36,520
Speaker 2: I was it gun like like a unlicensed gun, guns

1202
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,319
or like something like that. I don't know.

1203
01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember.

1204
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 2: Someone will tell us. British Bullologue is strongly leaning toward

1205
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,560
or has already decided to remain in the company and

1206
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,920
not accept an offer to join WSW. This is interesting,

1207
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,600
though Wade has notes on the offers offer or sude.

1208
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,680
WWF offered him a multi year contract with a minimum

1209
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,720
garant reported at around two hundred and fifty a year

1210
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:07,840
for five years. Ww's offer was a reported four hundred thousand,

1211
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,079
but it doesn't have like the years, or if there

1212
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:14,680
is a guarantee at all, Sow had the higher amount.

1213
01:09:15,159 --> 01:09:18,359
It's also very possible, because we've reported this multiple times

1214
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:20,920
over the years, that they had excuse me, they had

1215
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,680
that like ninety day clause where like, yes, you have

1216
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,520
that contract, but every ninety day they could basically say yeah,

1217
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:31,399
never mind and just give you on your way. So

1218
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,600
of course he's got family in WF two, so a

1219
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,800
lot of that stuff. You know, you got a trade off.

1220
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,880
Ultimate Warriors situation is status quo, with no known negotiations,

1221
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,880
much less plans for him to return, so really nothing

1222
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,880
going on there. If the two sides do reach an agreement,

1223
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,479
we probably won't know until until he makes a surprise return.

1224
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:58,439
Sunday in Bangor, Maine. During the fourteen elimination match, Skip

1225
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:03,000
and Leave Cassidy both knowledge Saboo for some reason, dropping

1226
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:06,279
to their knees and pointing skyward. I'm not sure what

1227
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:10,800
that's about, especially a name like what's sadly like secretly

1228
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,000
a may Night or something.

1229
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,399
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, the main part's weird, but

1230
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,319
like it makes sense when you say their other names,

1231
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,920
Chris Candido and Al Snow acknowledged saboo for some reason.

1232
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,520
Speaker 2: That's true. True, This one's a sad note. When we

1233
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,479
kind of talked about it maybe two weeks ago, if

1234
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,960
not last week, Owen Hart and I guess Brett Hart's nephew, Matt,

1235
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,199
is it a miss died?

1236
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:39,159
Speaker 3: I think so.

1237
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I died over the weekend. He went into a

1238
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:45,880
coma after getting a vile disease that literally ate away

1239
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,800
as flesh. He was the thirteen year old son of

1240
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,079
Georgia and often rustled Owen and Stu's ring for fun.

1241
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,479
Last week, you go ahead?

1242
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 3: Is is Georgia and Natty Knightheart's mom?

1243
01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 2: You know what? I don't know. No, I'm stumped because

1244
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:13,000
the last name is I think the last name is

1245
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:17,279
the same last name as the one that was like

1246
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:19,520
supposed to be like the next star, but he just

1247
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,920
always like got into trouble. I thought that might have

1248
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,800
been his brother, Teddy knight Heart. Teddy Heart.

1249
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm looking here.

1250
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: And Teddy's not the brother of Natty, So no.

1251
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Her Her mom is Ellie.

1252
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:44,319
Speaker 2: Ellie, Okay, Yeah, there you go. Last week, Wade continues,

1253
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:48,000
it appeared he might survive after amputation of the disease

1254
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:54,800
limbs eh sad story. Yeah, Barry Wyndham had jokingly brought

1255
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,000
up the idea that he could be silver dust. However

1256
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:01,239
there's no there's no word whether it's actually being considered. Yeah,

1257
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:06,960
because he's ATF. He already discussed this. Windham quit wrestling

1258
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,119
several years ago after getting engaged to his wealthy girlfriend.

1259
01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:12,880
Hey look at him. He hasn't wrestled in recent years,

1260
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,319
but apparently has a desire to return to the ring.

1261
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,960
I love how Wade just drops wealthy girlfriend, but like

1262
01:12:18,039 --> 01:12:19,359
doesn't give any detail.

1263
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 3: I know it's funny.

1264
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 2: Action Zone underwent his face left. Apparently that's still a show.

1265
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:31,560
Kevin Kelly, who announced periodically in Florida a few years

1266
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,319
back for Eddie Mansfield Eddie Manfield's IWA, debuted as new

1267
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:39,640
co host with Jim Ross. They voice over the matches

1268
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,960
from that weekend Superstars and then went to Doc Hendrick's

1269
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:46,960
for studio segments. Reviews for Kelly's debut thus far have

1270
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:48,000
been very positive.

1271
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but Kevin Kelly, Jim Ross, and Michael ps

1272
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,760
Hayes being on the same show together is like the

1273
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,079
most nineteen ninety six WWF sentence ever.

1274
01:12:59,159 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, what do you think since he's in orbit

1275
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,039
now Kevin Kelly's work.

1276
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,319
Speaker 3: I like, I always like Kevin Kelly. I thought when

1277
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:12,680
I was a kid that he was gonna be the

1278
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,159
guy that got the SmackDown job.

1279
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. I can definitely see that.

1280
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,239
Speaker 3: Like, I was pretty surprised that Michael cole leapfrogged him

1281
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:29,159
as a kid, like because Kevin Kelly like him, being

1282
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:31,479
like a goof and getting because both of those guys

1283
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,439
had a lot in common and they were like the

1284
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,840
rocks punching bag. I think the rock he used to

1285
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,880
call Kevin Kelly arrmphadite or something like that. Yeah, but

1286
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:45,000
like I don't know, I guess I guess Kevin Kelly

1287
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:48,199
looked more like an announcer than Michael cole who just

1288
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:49,000
like a dork.

1289
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean it's I always

1290
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:57,039
kind of kind of equate the two because even though

1291
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,680
I think Michael was in like a year from now,

1292
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,680
I always felt like the came around the same time.

1293
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:05,319
Speaker 3: I think that's because Kevin Kelly's not on TV for

1294
01:14:05,319 --> 01:14:08,840
a while. That could be like our like weekly our

1295
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:09,920
TV kind of. Yeah.

1296
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he did a pretty good job. I

1297
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,159
mean I think they could. I think to what you

1298
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,640
said about, you know, the rock and the punching bag

1299
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,239
thing like that kind of probably did more harm than

1300
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:22,079
to him than good. I feel like they all kind

1301
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:23,079
of treated him like that.

1302
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 3: I mean kind of, but like he used to make

1303
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:29,000
Michael Cole do the interviews with the T shirt over

1304
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:32,239
his face, remember, and he turned out fine.

1305
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: True, Yeah, I kind of forget about those. But Kevin

1306
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,000
Kelly ended up being on a lot of the New

1307
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:43,359
Japan English basically, he was the announcer for years there,

1308
01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:45,439
and I liked his work on that. I thought he

1309
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:46,399
did a really good job.

1310
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always liked him. I thought he was inoffensive.

1311
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,279
I don't think he's like the greatest announcer of all

1312
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:55,000
time or anything, but yeah, I always thought he was fine.

1313
01:14:56,319 --> 01:14:59,680
I thought he was somebody that TENA should have looked

1314
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:00,319
at more.

1315
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 2: Also, I could see that.

1316
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, just a thought.

1317
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,359
Speaker 2: But all right, this next note, I really need you

1318
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:11,880
to put on your thinking cap here. Marty Janetti missed

1319
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:16,239
his appearance appearances due to a legitimate family emergency. What

1320
01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:17,520
could that emergency be?

1321
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 3: Nineteen year old girlfriend abortion?

1322
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,319
Speaker 2: Geez, you really want to you really went to it,

1323
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:24,760
all right?

1324
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 3: Oh oh wait, wait wait wait no, his uncle dropped

1325
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:35,079
his cocaine in his car and they are frantically searching

1326
01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:37,399
through the seats to make sure the cocaine's not still

1327
01:15:37,399 --> 01:15:37,800
in the monde.

1328
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,319
Speaker 2: That sounds like the Alex I know.

1329
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:44,319
Speaker 3: They are also looking for it with their nose, not

1330
01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:45,039
their hands.

1331
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I set you up, and I should

1332
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,600
have should have known what I was going to get into,

1333
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:52,880
so all good stuff.

1334
01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 3: My real answer, though, is the abortion thing. I believe it,

1335
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:01,680
only she's not nineteen.

1336
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,159
Speaker 2: Oh boy, she just said let's move on.

1337
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 3: Let's move on.

1338
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:08,159
Speaker 2: The live free for all match the Sunday is Bradshaw

1339
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:11,840
versus Savi o Vega, So again free for all being

1340
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,159
like the pre show that we're all well aware of

1341
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:17,680
these days, and this one I think was still airing

1342
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,399
on the What the heck was it the Channel Guide?

1343
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. The stipulation for this match

1344
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:28,840
is the winner and the loser have to buy the

1345
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,800
Undertaker a bottle of Jack Daniels and kiss his ass.

1346
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 2: For at least ten years. The Wrestling Observer reports the

1347
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:46,000
specific gripe the Warrior had regarding his likeness on Merchandise's

1348
01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:50,760
merchandise was actually the slogan quote always believe being used

1349
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:55,439
without his authorization. All right, The wrestleman payoff was not

1350
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:57,800
part of his blow up with Vince, even though he

1351
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,439
received his payoff just days before he began missing shows.

1352
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,439
He has been confirmed It has been confirmed that his

1353
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,399
father did die, although it's reported that Warrior had not

1354
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,960
had a relationship with his father since he was a story.

1355
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 3: Is any kind of nuts that like Warrior maintained wealth

1356
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,159
because like, I don't know if you've ever maybe you

1357
01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:23,520
had a friend like this in high school or college

1358
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,359
or maybe as an adult. I've experienced it all three times. Okay,

1359
01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:33,279
but have you ever known somebody who gets a job

1360
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,560
for like a month so that they can buy a

1361
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,399
specific thing, and then they quit the job immediately after

1362
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:40,520
getting enough pecks?

1363
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 2: I have heard about that.

1364
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's how the Warrior comes off. But somehow

1365
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,079
he's like still rich until he dies. Like how the

1366
01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:53,199
hell is that possible?

1367
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 2: That's his point. What does he do in the years

1368
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,920
he's not working? It's it's yes, because all these other

1369
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,960
ideas are just like these like fly by night things

1370
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,920
that you think you know. I'm going to start this

1371
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,119
startup and it's just a failure. Of course, you can

1372
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:13,159
see it coming a mile away, like the comic book

1373
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:15,640
or the university or it is all this stuff.

1374
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,520
Speaker 3: It's yes, yeah, and none of it works out, And like,

1375
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:23,680
I don't know, it's just so weird to me because

1376
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,359
it feels like this sentence, Well, he's not mad about

1377
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:29,880
the wrestlmanning a payoff, but you know he started missing

1378
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,960
shows right after he got it because he doesn't need

1379
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,800
the money anymore. Yeah, Like he's like the guy who

1380
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:37,920
just stops showing up to work because he already you know,

1381
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:41,680
his car was gonna get repoded. He needed twelve hundred bucks.

1382
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,520
He got twelve hundred dollars. Now he stopped going to work.

1383
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:46,840
Like that's how it feels.

1384
01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 2: So it's amazing. No, I don't know. You got all

1385
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,199
these guys in wrestling that have to work forever just

1386
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:58,159
to like continue to live, and this guy's like, eh,

1387
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:02,079
maybe i'll work. I just miss a future and I'm fine.

1388
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:08,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like look at Ultimate Warrior versus Kamala exact exactly.

1389
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that last segment you're just listening to

1390
01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:15,039
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1391
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,840
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run throughout the week.

1404
01:19:53,319 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 2: Every week. Welly, I just try to quote from Batista,

1405
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,000
of all people who after he, you know, he said

1406
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:02,520
something like he'll never get back into wrestling. He made

1407
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,640
a lot of money, but after he left wrestling he

1408
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:05,239
was broke.

1409
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:10,159
Speaker 3: I might be misremembering this. I think he got ripped off.

1410
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,720
Oh really yeah, I might be thinking of somebody else

1411
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,359
from the same time period. But I don't know if

1412
01:20:17,399 --> 01:20:20,720
he had like a shitty accountant or if he invested

1413
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,159
in something and somebody like ran off with it. I

1414
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:24,920
feel like there's a story there.

1415
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: Okay.

1416
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 3: I again, somebody will tell us in the emails if

1417
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,720
I'm remembering somebody else. But I think he got he

1418
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:32,960
got screwed somehow.

1419
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that makes sense if that's the case.

1420
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does sound like something that would happen to

1421
01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:40,760
him too.

1422
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I think one of the better actors that

1423
01:20:44,279 --> 01:20:46,520
were wrestlers.

1424
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's up there for sure. Yeah.

1425
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: WrestleMania in nineteen ninety seven is slated to take place

1426
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:59,560
at the Chicago's United Center. Clarification from last week or

1427
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,399
recent weeks, Brett Hart is not planning to wrestle on

1428
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,039
a South African tour in September. Hart is saying he

1429
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:08,760
won't be back in the company anytime this year and

1430
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,319
his future in wrestling depends on how his acting career goes.

1431
01:21:13,079 --> 01:21:19,520
He still publicly writes off any possibility of going to WCW.

1432
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,479
There is a lot of news in here, anything that

1433
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,399
we didn't really dive into or you wanted to speak about.

1434
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 3: The only thing was talking about Bulldog. Are we in

1435
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,880
agreement that he for sure would have been in the

1436
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,600
end of you if he had gone to WCW.

1437
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:39,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably.

1438
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 3: And do you think he's a better fit than Jeff Jarrett?

1439
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:49,319
Speaker 2: Now that's a good question. I think in ninety six

1440
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,319
I would probably say yes, because I wouldn't know how

1441
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,760
Jeff Jarrett would be good as a heat like I

1442
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,199
wouldn't be able to force see like the nineteen ninety

1443
01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:04,520
nine version of Jeff Jarrett. So I think the answer

1444
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,640
would be Bulldog would be better. Probably with hindsight, I

1445
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,880
do believe Jarrett's probably a better better version.

1446
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,199
Speaker 3: Do you think Bulldog would have worn like the Union

1447
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:17,199
Jack tights in black and white instead?

1448
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 2: That's a great question too. I don't know, Yeah, what

1449
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:21,600
would his gear look like?

1450
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 3: He probably just would have worn the same thing Scott

1451
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:25,039
Hall did.

1452
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,520
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, maybe he would just be that he would

1453
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,239
be British Bulldog or just like maybe they would just

1454
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:33,319
call him the Bulldog or something because he because he

1455
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,680
used that name in ninety three when he was in WW.

1456
01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, they could call him that, we use it. Yeah,

1457
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,399
they could just call him that. I mean, considering the

1458
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:48,359
trend that Bischoff was going, they would have just called.

1459
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:56,039
Speaker 7: Him Dave, yeah, Dave boy, Yeah, the dog haul Nash

1460
01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:58,359
Hogan boy.

1461
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Smith, Actually that's not bad. They're all big short

1462
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:03,399
last meets.

1463
01:23:03,239 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine. That's fine.

1464
01:23:05,159 --> 01:23:09,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1465
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 3: So we're gonna do our WW segment. Last week, Patrick

1466
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:18,960
mentioned the promo that Sting gives the night after Bash

1467
01:23:19,039 --> 01:23:21,960
of the Beach, so I found it for us. This

1468
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,319
clip is about four minutes, give or take. So here

1469
01:23:25,359 --> 01:23:25,640
we go.

1470
01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:30,199
Speaker 8: All right, Eric, I'm gonna try talk to everybody if

1471
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:32,359
I can. I'm gonna start with Sting after what happened

1472
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:34,960
last night at the Bash at the Beach and neighboring Orlando.

1473
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,760
Sting a very somber mood here tonight. I can't believe it.

1474
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,880
I can feel it, you can feel it. These people

1475
01:23:44,119 --> 01:23:46,600
continue to make our lives.

1476
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 3: Very, very tenuous.

1477
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 8: They did it again tonight, right in the middle of

1478
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:51,960
your match with darn Anderson.

1479
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 3: But let's go back to last night.

1480
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 8: What's your sense of what happened at the Bash at

1481
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:56,319
the Beach.

1482
01:23:59,079 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 9: I am not at all surprised what.

1483
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,520
Speaker 3: Happened last night.

1484
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:09,119
Speaker 9: I'm not surprised about coming from the two outsiders, but

1485
01:24:09,239 --> 01:24:12,880
I will say I am very very surprised at you,

1486
01:24:13,039 --> 01:24:13,640
hul Cogan.

1487
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 3: But I should have known.

1488
01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 9: I should have known when you were traveling to every

1489
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,199
town in that big fat limo. I should have known,

1490
01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:26,239
because you didn't want to travel with the Macho Man,

1491
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:27,720
a total package.

1492
01:24:27,319 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 3: And this stinger. Ah.

1493
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 9: You were too busy making big movies and coming in

1494
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,760
for a little cameo appearance. You were too busy walking

1495
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,000
on the dark side.

1496
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 3: I should have known when you refer.

1497
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 9: To the Macho Man and the total package and me

1498
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:51,439
as three little dogs waiting for a chance to wrestle

1499
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,359
the great hul Cogan. I should have known when I

1500
01:24:55,399 --> 01:24:58,000
looked into your eyes. Do you know something, I made

1501
01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:03,840
a mistake, But you made a bigger mistake, because last

1502
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:09,239
night you wiped out and trashed every single little kid,

1503
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,479
every single person that was a part of your life,

1504
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,640
that patterned their life after you.

1505
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 10: You told her to believe in the man upstairs.

1506
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 11: You told them to say their prayers and to take

1507
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:26,960
their vitamins. You told them to believe in themselves. And

1508
01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:29,560
you know something, it's a good thing you told them

1509
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,880
to believe in themselves, because they say, as heck, can't

1510
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:33,920
believe in you.

1511
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:39,520
Speaker 10: By the way, and last but not least, to put

1512
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:44,279
the cherry on the top, all those little kids, you

1513
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:45,479
told them to stick.

1514
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:53,279
Speaker 9: It no, you stick a hulk, you stick it that.

1515
01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:54,119
Speaker 3: Is very strong.

1516
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,399
Speaker 8: By the way his fate would have it, These threw

1517
01:25:57,399 --> 01:26:00,960
the men on their partner last night got knocked out

1518
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,840
early in the action. So the two of you had

1519
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,039
to go against the outsider Spacho man Randy Savage. You

1520
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:08,319
were very close with Hull Coga designs.

1521
01:26:08,319 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 2: You can keep it going with Savage, but I think

1522
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,560
he ruins this stuck that well stuck.

1523
01:26:18,079 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 3: We'll stop it there.

1524
01:26:19,319 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 2: Then the Savage thing, you, I don't know if you

1525
01:26:22,039 --> 01:26:24,039
were going to play it, but I think he just

1526
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:27,079
like It's what Sting did was maybe cut one of

1527
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:30,760
the best persons for singing that he's ever cut. It

1528
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,680
was just a matter of fact. He had confidence in

1529
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:34,279
what he was saying. He got all his word that

1530
01:26:34,359 --> 01:26:37,119
without stumbling. Me and Gene almost tried to like cut

1531
01:26:37,159 --> 01:26:39,199
in at the end there, and He's like basically was like, no,

1532
01:26:39,279 --> 01:26:41,760
I got it, I got it one more point here,

1533
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,199
and they told him this, I mean, I thought, was

1534
01:26:43,239 --> 01:26:44,199
really well done.

1535
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,359
Speaker 3: Oh I think that's that might be the best Sting

1536
01:26:47,399 --> 01:26:50,960
promo I've ever heard. I think so, at least up

1537
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:54,000
until this point, because the other ones that come to

1538
01:26:54,039 --> 01:26:59,640
mind is the one where he thinks he's a shark. Yeah,

1539
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:08,960
the one where he calls Regal gay months ago. The

1540
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,079
one at Bash of the Beach was just really bad,

1541
01:27:11,119 --> 01:27:15,239
and Savage told him to get to the point. So

1542
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:18,039
like the three I can think of that we've covered

1543
01:27:18,079 --> 01:27:19,319
are not good.

1544
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: No, No, this was really good. I I uh, I

1545
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,960
want to hear what. Let the listeners think of that

1546
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,000
one too, because it's definitely up there. And the reason

1547
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,680
I cut you off with the Savage one, or at

1548
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,840
least got it off, was because if you want to

1549
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,359
play it, feel free, of course. But my opinion was

1550
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,600
he ruins it because he's he's still the mantra man.

1551
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:45,079
He doesn't he doesn't tone it down, and like, if

1552
01:27:45,079 --> 01:27:47,960
I'm watching it live, I'm thinking, like this is there's

1553
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:52,239
there's a layer of reality here, and then the mantra

1554
01:27:52,319 --> 01:27:54,479
man becomes it's just the mantra man. I'm like, that's

1555
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,840
you gotta you gotta tone it down a little bit.

1556
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,319
And he had the ability to do that. He did

1557
01:27:58,319 --> 01:28:02,000
it really well. And indifference and you know, different situations, well,

1558
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:04,239
it's just it doesn't it doesn't work for me.

1559
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,079
Speaker 3: Part of part of why that makes sense though, is

1560
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:11,600
and we talked about this last week. WW is really

1561
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,840
hammering home that macho man is like nuts.

1562
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 2: That's that's fair, and I like that, but I feel

1563
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:25,199
like he's like not nuts here, it's like more just like, oh,

1564
01:28:25,279 --> 01:28:27,600
I can't believe you. I don't know, it's just stupid stuff.

1565
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, you're not wrong. I'm just saying that,

1566
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,640
like that's like they're I don't know, I feel like

1567
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:37,479
they're telling him to be more unhinged. You know what

1568
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,399
we didn't talk about last week that I kind of

1569
01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:43,399
regret not bringing up. Do you think the turn works

1570
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:48,720
better if Hogan like drops staying instead of Savage or

1571
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:49,760
do you think it doesn't matter?

1572
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:53,239
Speaker 2: Probably doesn't matter, But let me think about that for

1573
01:28:53,279 --> 01:28:57,039
a second. I mean, if you're thinking about a WWF invasion,

1574
01:28:57,079 --> 01:29:03,319
which obviously that's the idea against ww then yes, obviously

1575
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:06,520
would make more sense. Yeah.

1576
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 3: I've always kind of wondered why Savage was the person.

1577
01:29:11,039 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: And if you think about it, for people that are

1578
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,119
like obviously and everyone who cared knew that they had

1579
01:29:16,119 --> 01:29:19,479
a history together, like you've seen them rustle before, so

1580
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,479
big deal. You know of course they feeded before. Yeah,

1581
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,439
So yeah, no, I think that's a good point.

1582
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just always thought that was kind of weird.

1583
01:29:29,359 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 2: We can definitely agree Lure makes no sense if he

1584
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,800
was in the I was in the ring. Uh.

1585
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 3: Luger only makes sense if it had been what I said,

1586
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,720
where he had been champion for a couple of months

1587
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,399
and they were going to build up that he's the

1588
01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:47,079
one that was going to lose the title. Then Yeah,

1589
01:29:47,239 --> 01:29:50,760
but that's the ship on that sale three months ago,

1590
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,439
So it doesn't It just doesn't matter.

1591
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:57,119
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. Agreed. Well, I'm glad you found that really

1592
01:29:57,119 --> 01:29:59,920
good stuff. Would love to hear listeners thoughts on that.

1593
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,920
We're talking about the next pay per view already, hog

1594
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,960
Wild August tenth, and Sturges South Dakota. The card is

1595
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:12,000
pretty much set. We'll see if this ends up being final.

1596
01:30:12,039 --> 01:30:14,920
And I know you know very well what the card

1597
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:19,159
is because you've watched this over and over. The Giant

1598
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:22,399
versus Whole Covin for the title, Sting and Lex Luver

1599
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,079
versus the Outsiders, of course, Haul of Nash Flair versus

1600
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:30,359
Eddie Guerrero for the US Heavyweight title, Harlem Heat versus

1601
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,920
the Steiner Brothers for the tag team titles. Ray Masterio

1602
01:30:34,039 --> 01:30:37,279
versus either Ultimo Dragon or Jusi and Lager for the

1603
01:30:37,359 --> 01:30:41,159
Cruiserweight title. Crisp and Wall versus Kevin Sullen and they're

1604
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:45,840
ongoing feud. This is interesting. Scott Norton versus Ice Train,

1605
01:30:47,159 --> 01:30:50,439
and last but not least, Medusa versus Bull Nakano with

1606
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:55,359
Medusa's Harley going up against nakanos Kawasaki, which of course

1607
01:30:55,439 --> 01:31:00,319
is a nod to the crowd there and sturges so

1608
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,920
we don't have to pick everything apart here. But just

1609
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,319
like man, we often just like to zoom out and

1610
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:08,239
look at these the show when we see the lineup,

1611
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:09,760
and boy, this is a hell of a show.

1612
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:15,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it actually improves because there is one of

1613
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:20,920
these that's incorrect, but one of the wrestlers right, and

1614
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,079
their opponent gets switched for somebody who's a much better wrestler.

1615
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 2: Okay, good stuff. There's one more note on this, and

1616
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,560
I don't recall this. I'm curious if you do, he said.

1617
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,000
Wade says, besides the live pay per view and the

1618
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,840
pregame show, they'll also be taping the next day's edition

1619
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:41,840
of Nitro. They'll actually tape it before the paview aired,

1620
01:31:43,079 --> 01:31:45,560
so it's gonna be pretaped. But at Sturgis, I don't

1621
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,119
And I guess that makes sense if they're traveling back.

1622
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:50,880
But do you know that? Do you remember that?

1623
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,199
Speaker 3: No, but considering what happens on this pay per view,

1624
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:56,560
it's gonna be really jarring to watch that first.

1625
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,319
Speaker 2: That was my another thought. Yeah, but you know, maybe

1626
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:02,520
you're in front of a crowd that doesn't really matter

1627
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:07,359
from a fan point of view. I mean, they're there

1628
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,600
for bikes, they're not there for wrestling.

1629
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:17,039
Speaker 3: No, And this crowd is, uh, there's something.

1630
01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the other things. So they're giving this

1631
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,720
incredible lineup to a crowd that like probably doesn't care

1632
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:31,079
and it's just so it's just interesting that you would

1633
01:32:31,119 --> 01:32:33,640
do that. But that's that's.

1634
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 3: Oh No, the crowd is good. Well, the crowd for this,

1635
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,399
they don't care about any of it. That's like one

1636
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:46,119
of the main like negatives on this show. But what

1637
01:32:46,359 --> 01:32:51,479
is really cool is the the ring is like it's

1638
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:55,840
almost in like the middle of dirt. Yeah yeah, but

1639
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,359
it's on like this pedestal, so it looks really really cool.

1640
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a really cool visual. I don't think

1641
01:33:03,159 --> 01:33:06,399
you'll ever see that again in wrestling. I don't think

1642
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:09,399
anyone will be I'll just use the word bold enough

1643
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:16,439
to do this, oh do Yeah, I didn't pull out

1644
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,560
a lot of quotes. I'm just pulling out some kind

1645
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,319
of wraparounds from it, descriptions from it. But Wade also

1646
01:33:22,359 --> 01:33:25,760
talks about the heal interview that Hogan gives. There's a

1647
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,279
lot of quotes in the issue. If you're interested again

1648
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:31,079
issue three ninety seven. A few things he does say

1649
01:33:31,079 --> 01:33:33,880
about it, he says. On the ninth, the July fifteenth, Nitro,

1650
01:33:34,399 --> 01:33:37,000
Hogan returned to the mic for the first time since

1651
01:33:37,039 --> 01:33:40,239
he'll interview after his turn at the Bash. He ripped

1652
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:42,880
on Sting, saying when they first met, he was a

1653
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,399
skinny little bodybuilder. Actually that's so funny because he was

1654
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:51,760
like humongous when stinging. Meanwhile, in the foreground of the screen,

1655
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,319
the camera showed someone waving their arms encouraging fans to

1656
01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:58,880
throw garbage in the ring. The fans did, although the

1657
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,960
atmosphere was much less heated than in Daytona. Yeah, because

1658
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:02,960
they're at Disney World.

1659
01:34:03,399 --> 01:34:04,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

1660
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 2: He also ripped savage and fans, the kid fans specifically.

1661
01:34:11,159 --> 01:34:13,840
Hogan then challenge anyone from the back to come out

1662
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,960
and the Steiners aren't Anderson Ming and the Barbarian came

1663
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,680
out as the show and off the air, so an

1664
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,720
interesting mix there. Mostly heels but the Steiners too, so

1665
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,880
again kind of going back to what we were talking before,

1666
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,840
showing the nature of the angles, like this is not

1667
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,720
a heel versus a face feud. This is a you know,

1668
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:37,079
a faction that's in dating versus the whole company feud.

1669
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,000
So it's it's nice to see that they're really playing

1670
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,199
into that with you know, faces and heels trying to

1671
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:53,680
battle this nWo. Are you a fan of AW looking

1672
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,520
to sit back, relax and listen to some like minded

1673
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,159
podcasters to share your passion.

1674
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,520
Speaker 12: Do you want to be topped off the ledge after

1675
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:02,800
a segment that has you wondering what the heck are

1676
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:03,279
they thinking?

1677
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,399
Speaker 3: Do you want to join a discussion on what AW

1678
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,920
is doing right and what they could do to improve?

1679
01:35:09,239 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 2: Then join me Joel and me Greg for.

1680
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,039
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1681
01:35:14,039 --> 01:35:17,880
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1685
01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:39,079
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1686
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 2: Anything else, I don't know if you read the article

1687
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:45,399
directly or the quotes directly, anything else from what he

1688
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,439
said that maybe didn't get covered here.

1689
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 3: No, I mean we heard it from Hoby the night before.

1690
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,520
We know what he's going for. I for some reason,

1691
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:01,000
I feel like I don't think the thing where they

1692
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,880
beat everybody up has happened yet, you know what I'm

1693
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,279
talking about, the famous one where they throw the stereo

1694
01:36:06,359 --> 01:36:07,119
into the thing.

1695
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 2: Right, That might be maybe next week, maybe not for

1696
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:11,319
another week. I don't know.

1697
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if the pay per view happens before that,

1698
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:20,079
because I don't remember if Hogan is something or not. Yea, yeah,

1699
01:36:21,079 --> 01:36:24,680
but like we're getting the beginning of this, but like

1700
01:36:25,279 --> 01:36:30,840
we don't really see the next iteration of Hogan in

1701
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:35,439
this heel character until the pay per view. Like there's

1702
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:36,960
a couple of things that happen at the pay per

1703
01:36:37,039 --> 01:36:40,039
view and we really start to see, like what the

1704
01:36:40,119 --> 01:36:45,560
NDWBO is gonna be as far as taking things over again,

1705
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:50,000
that segment might be before. I'm not I'm not entirely sure.

1706
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:54,920
But either way, this is just kind of more of

1707
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,600
the same from Hogan until we get to like that

1708
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:02,439
next that like level two, which basically is, you know,

1709
01:37:03,239 --> 01:37:05,359
whenever he loses the thing, so give or take a

1710
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:09,119
year until they they kind of go into the next

1711
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:09,600
part of it.

1712
01:37:10,279 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense. Some notes from the company, Kevin Sullivan

1713
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:21,399
maybe working without a contract WW says they are involved

1714
01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:24,159
in the Jim Carrey movie being filmed this fall, and

1715
01:37:24,199 --> 01:37:27,600
that Sting and Giant have roles. Do you know which

1716
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:28,199
one is this.

1717
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 3: In the Jim Carrey movie. I mean the Giant is

1718
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,159
in the water Boy.

1719
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's not Jim Carrey.

1720
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:47,239
Speaker 3: But that's not Jim Carrey exactly? Are they in cable?

1721
01:37:49,039 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 2: Oh maybe that's actually one of the ones I never

1722
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,760
really watched. So maybe maybe he just goes to a

1723
01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:05,319
wrestling show or something. Well, Keble Guy was ninety six.

1724
01:38:06,039 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only movie I can think of that

1725
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:10,680
that could.

1726
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:15,079
Speaker 2: Be it, or a Sventura io No, I remember that.

1727
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,239
We'll figure this out. We'll get to the bottom of it.

1728
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:24,359
There are early estimates for the Bashed pay per view.

1729
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,760
They range from zero point eight to one point two percent.

1730
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,600
We actually hoped for one point five percent and again

1731
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:34,279
it's a shame we don't actually see what that equates to,

1732
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:39,840
like number of buys or dollars. Yeah, it's kind of

1733
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,920
surprising it wasn't a little higher. But we'll see. This

1734
01:38:43,039 --> 01:38:44,359
is just an estimate at this point.

1735
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,520
Speaker 3: While we're on the topic, I don't have a Jim

1736
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:51,560
Carrey answer yet. But the WW attack or the NBO

1737
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:56,279
attack is right before the pay per view. Oh and

1738
01:38:56,399 --> 01:39:00,880
it's two weeks after this Nitro. The date the twenty ninth.

1739
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 2: Okay, and there's still I know they're still at MGM Studios. Yeah, so, yeah, cool, awesome.

1740
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,399
Hall and Nash were privy to who the third partner

1741
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,039
would be in the days leading up to the pay

1742
01:39:13,039 --> 01:39:15,800
per view, but kept its secret from most friends and

1743
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:21,039
family members until that weekend. Ted Dibiassi, as you mentioned earlier,

1744
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:25,840
may end up managing the outsiders, which would include Hall, Nash,

1745
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,439
Hogan Kid, and Jeff Jarrett. As we talked about and

1746
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:34,720
filled the third seat on Nitro commentary, Chris Jericho is

1747
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,800
expected to begin in late August or September after he

1748
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:42,840
finishes with the ECW. One key to him jumping was

1749
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:47,239
the chance to work with New Japan. Blood runs Cold.

1750
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:50,279
We have our Weekly Update Brian Clark. Of course, former

1751
01:39:50,319 --> 01:39:53,600
Adam Baum will not be part of the faction, so

1752
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,279
there you go. I just love how every week we

1753
01:39:56,359 --> 01:39:59,359
get like, here's who's in, and then the week is late.

1754
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,720
Next week is like this guy's not in in. This

1755
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,479
is not the third weeks like this is not at

1756
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,279
all what it will be. It's just funny because that's

1757
01:40:09,279 --> 01:40:12,960
because because on TV you're also seeing these previews for

1758
01:40:13,039 --> 01:40:16,920
like a year, so it's like funny how we're reading

1759
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,800
it in the sheets and then we're like living in

1760
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:21,039
on the show.

1761
01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:24,399
Speaker 3: As the entire company changes around it exactly.

1762
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Starcade may take place in Japan. Paula Nash won't

1763
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,079
be wrestling at house shows for a long time, since

1764
01:40:34,079 --> 01:40:36,239
their gimmick is they don't work for the company.

1765
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 3: They've got that worked out in their favor. Huh.

1766
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,079
Speaker 2: They knew what the hell they were doing. They will

1767
01:40:42,079 --> 01:40:45,439
only wrestle major pay per views for the time being,

1768
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,520
so they lucked into that.

1769
01:40:48,039 --> 01:40:52,399
Speaker 3: I wish I was friends with those guys. Serious, Okay,

1770
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:54,319
I have an answer on the Jim Carrey thing. If

1771
01:40:54,319 --> 01:40:59,920
you're in it. Yeah, yeah, okay, So the movie is liar, liar.

1772
01:41:01,279 --> 01:41:04,520
Speaker 2: Oh oh, this sounds familiar, now I know.

1773
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was released in March of ninety seven. Okay,

1774
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:13,640
so early in the film, Carrie's character lies to his

1775
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,680
son by promising to take him to a wrestling match

1776
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:22,720
featuring about between Rick Rud and Macho Man. You're saying, okay, then,

1777
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,199
what the hell does that have to do is Sting

1778
01:41:24,199 --> 01:41:28,119
in the Giant? Yeah, you're correct. Fans often discuss how

1779
01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:33,000
the dialogue references WW stars and behind the scenes reports

1780
01:41:33,079 --> 01:41:38,239
of deleted or unreleased footage concepts associated with w W

1781
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:39,920
legends like Stinging the Giant.

1782
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:46,119
Speaker 2: There you go. That's interesting because he's right, that dialogue

1783
01:41:46,119 --> 01:41:49,720
still remains in the movie. Yeah, but the clip of

1784
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,239
anything that may have been recorded does not.

1785
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 3: And I have a photo of the clip here, and

1786
01:41:55,039 --> 01:41:59,800
it is indeed a very outdated by March of ninety seven.

1787
01:42:00,079 --> 01:42:06,000
Sting with dark hair, red tights, and blue white and

1788
01:42:06,079 --> 01:42:11,119
red face paint in the ring with the Giant.

1789
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,159
Speaker 2: I think I just found it too well. Look at

1790
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:14,319
that yeah, yep.

1791
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 3: And Jim Carrey and that little asshole who kept telling

1792
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:18,800
him to stop lying.

1793
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kid, That kid was in like other movies too.

1794
01:42:24,319 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 3: I think, uh, the only thing I can place him

1795
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:28,119
from is Home Alone? Three?

1796
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:38,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, amazing. All right, Sorry, we're looking at

1797
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,560
pictures and no one knows what the hell was going

1798
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:44,079
on right now? Anything else on this on ww WE

1799
01:42:44,119 --> 01:42:46,039
do you have a little bit on ECW then we'll wrap.

1800
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:51,119
Speaker 3: No, it's an interesting time in the company. You're right,

1801
01:42:51,279 --> 01:42:55,560
the like it's it's almost mind blowing that at the

1802
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,960
same time the nWo thing is going on and you're

1803
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:59,600
like speculating who's going to be in the end of

1804
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:03,039
you Oh, we're also spending every week speculating who's gonna

1805
01:43:03,039 --> 01:43:08,199
be in Blood Runs Cold. And it's funny because you

1806
01:43:08,319 --> 01:43:10,479
brought up that. It's like, oh, this guy's gonna be

1807
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:12,680
in it. Oh no, no he's not. We're doing the

1808
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:16,000
exact same thing with the nWo, but the nWo is

1809
01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:17,880
less something to make fun of.

1810
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, which is it's just weird.

1811
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:22,239
Speaker 3: It is weird.

1812
01:43:22,239 --> 01:43:24,239
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a tale of two different companies,

1813
01:43:24,319 --> 01:43:26,399
but it is in fact one company.

1814
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:33,279
Speaker 3: And then the last thing is yet again WF is

1815
01:43:33,319 --> 01:43:39,159
not scouring for guys because Chris Jericho is going to

1816
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:43,159
join WCW and I know that they end up with

1817
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:46,439
all these guys later and they all have bigger success

1818
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,399
in WF and win world titles and shit like that.

1819
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:56,600
But like you're telling me, WF couldn't get one of

1820
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:02,840
these guys, like they couldn't get any of like Psychosis, Jericho,

1821
01:44:03,119 --> 01:44:07,760
Conan Raymisterio Jr. Chris ben Wah, Dean Malnko. They couldn't

1822
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,760
get one of them.

1823
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,199
Speaker 2: So there's a few things there. One, it reinforces what

1824
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:17,359
I said last week as w's w is the destination

1825
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,399
to go as you'r as a wrestler, Like that's where

1826
01:44:20,399 --> 01:44:23,239
you want to be right now, especially if you're an

1827
01:44:23,239 --> 01:44:26,359
international talent or a young talent. Two. I think it

1828
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:28,760
just proves the point that Vince mcmahonus like doesn't have

1829
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:34,920
the foresight to stretch beyond his means where ye like,

1830
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,560
he doesn't. He didn't even want if we think, if

1831
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,319
we really you know, believe the story is out there,

1832
01:44:40,319 --> 01:44:42,600
which which I tend to, he didn't want Nick Foley,

1833
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:45,760
he didn't want Steve Auston, he didn't want like he

1834
01:44:46,119 --> 01:44:49,600
did want he was forced into designing Pillman. Yeah, if

1835
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,119
you believe Jim Ross, he did want Mark Marrow, but

1836
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:55,159
he also wanted him because of his wife. So like

1837
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:59,920
he's just got a limited scope of what he you know,

1838
01:45:00,119 --> 01:45:00,960
even considers.

1839
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,399
Speaker 3: Let's back up, he didn't want Mark Merrow. He wanted

1840
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:08,119
Johnny bad and Sables Tits. That's what he was trying

1841
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:13,479
to hire, right.

1842
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's pretty much it. So, I mean,

1843
01:45:17,359 --> 01:45:20,520
I don't know, there's a lot of reasons before behind

1844
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,760
it and missing Man is you know of those?

1845
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 3: Do you think he wanted Ron Simmons.

1846
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:35,399
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. I don't know. He probably

1847
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,359
just had a look at him and like, oh, that's

1848
01:45:37,399 --> 01:45:38,880
that's a big man.

1849
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that maybe he wanted Ron Simmons.

1850
01:45:45,079 --> 01:45:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1851
01:45:45,319 --> 01:45:49,119
Speaker 3: And other than that, though, you're right, like the Mark

1852
01:45:49,159 --> 01:45:52,199
Merrow things sticks out Ahmed, he definitely liked that. That

1853
01:45:52,359 --> 01:46:00,840
was right up his alley rock. Later on Hunter, I'm yeah,

1854
01:46:01,279 --> 01:46:05,000
like even though some of them work out to varying degrees,

1855
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,279
his track records not great.

1856
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,039
Speaker 2: It's not great. And like we said, like, as the

1857
01:46:10,119 --> 01:46:12,079
years pass on, we know some of these stories like

1858
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:15,800
Jim Ross again, maybe we shouldn't believe him everything he says.

1859
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,199
I have no idea, but he's an example of someone

1860
01:46:18,199 --> 01:46:21,399
who's like forcing some of this talent on the Vince

1861
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:25,479
to finally give in. Yeah, so god knows even know

1862
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,960
what Vince would be hiring if someone like Jim Ross

1863
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or whoever else was there not there rather.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but Ross had a blind spot too,

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because you know, Jericho, Benoit, Raymisterio Junior, Dean Malenko, et cetera.

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They didn't play football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point. I mean it sounds stupid, but it's true.

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Speaker 3: Everybody else we mentioned, with the exception of Mark Merrow

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played football, and maybe Marrow did too, I don't know. Yeah,

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but the difference with that is Fully Fully was a

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proven commodity, whether anybody wants to admit that or not.

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Like I think, I think when WWF signed Fully, I

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don't think they knew how high his ceiling was. I

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don't think anybody.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I agree with that for sure.

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Speaker 3: But at the very least Fully had a really high floor,

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Like he was not going to come in and be

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a complete dud and be useless, like there was a

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negative percent chance of that happening. Yeah, Like he was

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at the very least going to be a capable guy

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who gets somewhat over and you know what I mean,

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Like that that was his floor, and that's like there

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needs to be more guys like that in wrestling, is

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my point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a good point. Let's wrap things up

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with east W a few notes from the company. With

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the landscape of cable sports channel ownership in the midst

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of great change, e CW may end up without its

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MSG time slot separate from the broadcast on prime network affiliates.

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So another note here about cable carriers similar to WF

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and Fox, even though obviously that's not cable. The July

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thirteenth EASTW Arena show was eastw's biggest gate two date.

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The August third show, also at the East W Arena,

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sold out the first four rows at the premium ringside

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prices by Monday afternoon, the fastest ringside sellout ever. I

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wish we knew how much they were per ticket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I'm gonna go with not very expensive.

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Speaker 2: Though probably not. Yeah, I'm going to go like Max

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fifty bucks.

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Speaker 3: You're probably right about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Max fifty bucks. The headliner there interesting enough, Saboo

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versus Rob Van Dam.

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Speaker 3: Of course it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So there you have it. The nineties pass cast

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for again an issue three ninety seven, July twentieth, nineteen

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ninety six. Alex Anything else that we may have, you know,

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glossed over or want to go back to before we

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talk about next week.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't have a preview ready for next week,

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but I do know what we're going to talk about

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already because I looked at the calendar to make sure

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I wasn't making a mistake. Next week, we are going

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to talk about the nextf pay per view, the international

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01:49:28,279 --> 01:49:33,159
incident in your House, which is in fact an international

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incident when all of us watch it, because it's not good.

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Speaker 2: It is an incident.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad you reminded that this is coming up

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so quickly. It feels like we just got done with

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their pay per view. But we're back again, which is great.

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I man, I don't know if I've ever watched the show.

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I'm sure I've have, but there's no there's no memory

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in my brain about what happens here.

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Speaker 3: I have seen this show exactly one time, and I

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can tell you exactly when it was because it was

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not that long ago.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, like a network era.

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Speaker 3: Peacock.

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Speaker 2: Okay, No, so it's not yeah, not bad, yeah peacock.

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I wouldn't say what the average viewer rating is, but

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it's actually not bad.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that there's.

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Speaker 2: Some well, there's some promises. We'll see. We'll be the

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judges of bad as we always are. All right, Well,

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that'll be next week. If you want to reach us,

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you can always email us at torchpass Gass at gmail

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dot com. For Alex, this is Patrick and the nineties Past, Gast.

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We will see you next week.

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