Speaker 1: It's time for Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on
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Speaker 2: the show, which I guess technically it's about two hours
Speaker 2: total when it comes to content. But yeah, however you're listening,
Speaker 2: wherever you're listening, we certainly appreciate you. So I haven't
Speaker 2: talked a whole lot about the Olympics, other than just
Speaker 2: the occasional story that does get a lot of attention,
Speaker 2: and it you know, I lied to myself once again.
Speaker 2: Next time in twenty twenty eight. I'm just gonna know
Speaker 2: going in, don't even act like you're gonna get into
Speaker 2: the Olympics, because I've said it now for I think
Speaker 2: the last three Olympics.
Speaker 3: Do you think there will be an extra incentive since
Speaker 3: we're hosting in twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight maybe, I mean potentially, Like any that's a long
Speaker 2: time away, so maybe by then I'll be like, oh no, Nick,
Speaker 2: You're definitely going to do it this time around, And
Speaker 2: you know, I'll probably just be lying to myself. But
Speaker 2: one thing I have learned about the Olympics in the
Speaker 2: last couple of days that fascinates me is that some
Speaker 2: of these jobs that exist within the Olympic Games, that
Speaker 2: I mean are serious jobs. They have to be done
Speaker 2: by somebody, and I don't think you get paid. In fact,
Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to dig up real quick
Speaker 2: during the break there. These are like a lot of
Speaker 2: people who work at these kinds of st I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that work at sporting events
Speaker 2: that do it to volunteer, just to be there and
Speaker 2: be around it.
Speaker 4: Like a lot of the staffers you see that work
Speaker 4: at like Louisville.
Speaker 2: Football games, basketball games, helping out with like you know,
Speaker 2: whatever needs to be, whatever's needed. Like they're doing it
Speaker 2: just to help to volunteer. In fact, whenever we had
Speaker 2: the PGA Championship here in Louisville, if you guys remember,
Speaker 2: there was a ton of volunteers that they needed to
Speaker 2: help out. But like that was the key word volunteers.
Speaker 2: You don't get paid. In fact, you have to pay
Speaker 2: for I think like the like the official gear that
Speaker 2: you wear to show that you're a volunteer. So you're not,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're paying to be around it. I
Speaker 2: guess you have to pay for a ticket. But yeah,
Speaker 2: these jobs, there's four of them that I just think
Speaker 2: are hilarious. One of them is uh is in the
Speaker 2: swimming events, and it's a cap catcher. That's somebody who
Speaker 2: after somebody swims in a race and their cap comes
Speaker 2: off their head if they end up just floating in
Speaker 2: the water or maybe they sink. There's just a dude
Speaker 2: that you know, in a speedo who doesn't have the
Speaker 2: figure that all the Olympic swimmers have that he's just
Speaker 2: tasked to dive in that water and pick up those
Speaker 2: caps because you can't have a cap floating around when
Speaker 2: another race is about to start. I mean, that doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like a very enjoyable job, but at least you
Speaker 2: can say you were a part of the Olympics in
Speaker 2: some form or fashion, right.
Speaker 3: I guess if you really want to be in France
Speaker 3: or wherever, we.
Speaker 2: May give you a fresh tale each time, because I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're doing it in between every race, like your
Speaker 2: towel's gonna get wet, like you just you're gonna be soggy.
Speaker 2: There's also the block builder, and that is somebody who
Speaker 2: restacks and or polishes the blocks for equestrian events when
Speaker 2: the horses kick them down right, you know, there's those
Speaker 2: blocks there that make up the the the amount of
Speaker 2: how far they got to jump up in the air
Speaker 2: to Again. I really feel like it's nothing but word
Speaker 2: vomit right now, because I don't know any of the
Speaker 2: terminology that that is, you know, needed for talking about
Speaker 2: swimming in equestrian, know nothing about it. You could also
Speaker 2: be a camera cleaner, and this is somebody that literally
Speaker 2: just uh carries around this humongous stick that I guess
Speaker 2: has like, you know, a rag on the end of it,
Speaker 2: and you're there to clean the camera high above the
Speaker 2: diving board with what appears to be the longest mop
Speaker 2: slash duster you've ever seen. And obviously it gets splashed
Speaker 2: every now and then and it gets wet.
Speaker 4: I mean, and you're you know, you're in an area
Speaker 4: with a big pool.
Speaker 2: Maybe it could just get fog up, some condensation on there,
Speaker 2: and you just carry around this humongous mop duster looking
Speaker 2: thing and you're there to they let you know. When
Speaker 2: the camera's a little foggy or wet, you get up there,
Speaker 2: you wipe it down. That would actually, I mean, you
Speaker 2: got to you gotta hold that thing up pretty high
Speaker 2: in the air. That actually seems like a job that
Speaker 2: might require, you know, a little more wor work than
Speaker 2: the others we've mentioned. And then the last one is
Speaker 2: a balloon brandisher. That is somebody who casually walks around
Speaker 2: while brandishing a massive balloon attached to a long pole.
Speaker 2: And what this does is it preps camera angles for
Speaker 2: floor routines. So this is somebody who walks around to
Speaker 2: I guess let those working the cameras know that this
Speaker 2: gymnast their routine is about to you know, be here
Speaker 2: and there, and this is where you need to make
Speaker 2: sure you have the camera. These are jobs that honestly,
Speaker 2: they're important, right, I mean, you got to do it.
Speaker 2: If not, we'd have bad camera angles. For gymnastics, we'd
Speaker 2: have you know, nobody to stack the blocks. In the
Speaker 2: equestrian we'd have cameras with water on them or fog.
Speaker 2: We'd have cabs in the pool which could get in
Speaker 2: a way and you know, cause a race to be compromised.
Speaker 2: So shout out to these volunteers that are working these
Speaker 2: very important jobs. All right, Uh, if you have not,
Speaker 2: I've heard much of the show today. We have mentioned
Speaker 2: throughout the first couple of hours here and there. I
Speaker 2: mean it's not led the show from top, you know,
Speaker 2: start to finish. But big news in college football kind
Speaker 2: of sort of the more we discuss it, the more
Speaker 2: I feel like it's actually nothing. But yet it's something
Speaker 2: that's probably been all over the headlines since it came
Speaker 2: out earlier today, and that is that former Michigan coach
Speaker 2: keyword former Jim Harball has received a four year show
Speaker 2: cause and also he's been given a one season suspension
Speaker 2: from the NCAA Committee on Infractions for COVID nineteen dead
Speaker 2: period recruiting violations in twenty twenty one, roughly four years ago.
Speaker 2: So anytime you hear of a coach that just won
Speaker 2: a national championship that is coaching you know, or was
Speaker 2: coaching at a place like Michigan gets hit with that
Speaker 2: level of a punishment, four year show cause and he's
Speaker 2: got to be suspended for an entire season, that's news,
Speaker 2: you know, unless the guy's not in college football anymore
Speaker 2: and will never be in college football again, not because
Speaker 2: of anything the Committee on Infractions did, but simply because
Speaker 2: he probably wanted to move on from Michigan long ago,
Speaker 2: but he wanted to bring them a national championship, and
Speaker 2: he cheated to do it.
Speaker 4: We know that.
Speaker 2: But you know he did it, and in his mind
Speaker 2: he didn't cheat, and he'll never admit it, and we
Speaker 2: may never find out that he had any involvement in it,
Speaker 2: because usually if you're somebody like a Harball and that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff's going on, you make it to where
Speaker 2: nobody could ever prove that you were involved. You leave
Speaker 2: no fingerprints, right, you have no direct communication with anybody
Speaker 2: about what went on, and you can just play dumb
Speaker 2: like he had no clue. So what I think this is,
Speaker 2: it's the NCAA just proving what we already have known
Speaker 2: for many years, and that is that they're out of touch,
Speaker 2: their delusional, and they have become more irrelevant by the day,
Speaker 2: it seems. I mean, the question about the nc DOUBLEA
Speaker 2: in regards to are they really needed for the high level,
Speaker 2: big business, big big, big money sports, like, are they
Speaker 2: really needed? Are they just in the way because they're
Speaker 2: not needed in college football at the top. They're only
Speaker 2: needed in basketball because they give us the NSAA tournament.
Speaker 2: But we felt like for I mean, I remember, gosh,
Speaker 2: I remember listening to Tony Vanettie and Dave Jennings the
Speaker 2: Afternoon Underdogs on this station many many, many years ago,
Speaker 2: talk about the NCAA is just gonna not exist anymore.
Speaker 2: They're not needed, they're irrelevant, And here they are. They're
Speaker 2: still around, but it's it's been out there forever, but
Speaker 2: since this turned into anything but amateur sports. This is
Speaker 2: quite literally professional sports on steroids. Now in the last
Speaker 2: few years, with NIL the portal and now with of
Speaker 2: course the schools, they're gonna be the ones paying the players.
Speaker 2: So the NSABA is just not needed. And I feel
Speaker 2: like today was I think they thought they did something
Speaker 2: substantial here. I think they thought they really set an
Speaker 2: example to let people know, hey, despite the perception out
Speaker 2: there about us, we're still here and we're going to
Speaker 2: hold people accountable who break rules because that's what we do.
Speaker 2: And yet, like it fell so flat because you didn't
Speaker 2: do anything. You laid out a very severe penalty that
Speaker 2: will never actually penalize the person you gave it to
Speaker 2: because you don't have any power to do anything. He's
Speaker 2: untouchable to you. And it seems like even if coaches
Speaker 2: and players are touchable to the NCAA, meaning they're still
Speaker 2: in the sport, rather they're looking to maintain eligibility, whether
Speaker 2: they're looking to defend themselves for allegations that could lead
Speaker 2: to suspensions, all that kind of stuff. I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like even those people at this point feel a
Speaker 2: little bit untouchable, because lately the playbook has been pretty clear.
Speaker 2: Hire a lawyer, fight the NCAA in court, and they
Speaker 2: will lose. So it's a big story Harball one year's suspension,
Speaker 2: four year show cause, but it's nothing because he's mean again,
Speaker 2: Like this is like the NBA suspending me for a season.
Speaker 4: Oh damn.
Speaker 2: Without that suspension, I'd you know, i'd be playing for
Speaker 2: the Knicks like that suspended me from dating Margot Robbie. Well, geez,
Speaker 2: if you didn't hit me with that penalty, we'd be
Speaker 2: we'd be shacking up tonight, Like what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: And I know they've at times punished people who aren't working,
Speaker 2: but it's because they were fired. It's because like they got,
Speaker 2: they got you know, they got in trouble. This guy
Speaker 2: left because he doesn't mean he's not interested in college
Speaker 2: football anymore. And by the way, I should have mentioned
Speaker 2: this for those who haven't really been following it that closely.
Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with sign sealing stuff. This
Speaker 2: is just because of a COVID nineteen recruiting infraction. And
Speaker 2: by the way they did this, they gave him a
Speaker 2: four year ban for recruits getting you know, I think
Speaker 2: recruits being contacted when they weren't supposed to be in
Speaker 2: maybe a free meal or something when they weren't supposed
Speaker 2: to get anything. And they did this just you know,
Speaker 2: they made this decision, and this took place. You know
Speaker 2: what they're accusing him of doing. The rule breaking that
Speaker 2: they're accusing him of took place like just a few
Speaker 2: months before it became legal to actually pay players, and
Speaker 2: he didn't pay anybody. He just contacted somebody what he
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to do. And I believe some kind of
Speaker 2: a meal was calmed or provided for recruits something like that.
Speaker 2: So it's a story, but it also kind of isn't.
Speaker 2: And in fact, I think if the instantly wanted to
Speaker 2: be a story to where people are talking about, wow,
Speaker 2: you better mess with you in still Bula now, it
Speaker 2: backfired on him because they're delusional. The story, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: is how useless they are and how ridiculous it is
Speaker 2: that they put this out there, is if they've actually
Speaker 2: done something substantial.
Speaker 4: Anyways. All right, So.
Speaker 2: I would say when it comes to the most hated
Speaker 2: college football teams, like all time, it's usually the big dogs,
Speaker 2: right Like this college Football Report Twitter account, they put
Speaker 2: together a college football hatred tiers, and the Despised tier
Speaker 2: is the tier that features the schools that are the
Speaker 2: most hated in football. No surprise, it's the ones who
Speaker 2: are arrogant and think that their bleep doesn't stink, and
Speaker 2: it's because they've been really good, at least most of them. Michigan,
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Texas Alabama and Notre Dame. What do all
Speaker 2: those schools have in common? One, they're huge brands. Two
Speaker 2: have a lot of tradition. But Texas is not what
Speaker 2: you think it is. Like Texas is Texas because like
Speaker 2: it's clearly a state that loves football. They have unlimited money,
Speaker 2: But like Texas doesn't have this deep rooted tradition as
Speaker 2: a football program, Like I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: believe they do. Notre Dame does. But like, when's the
Speaker 2: last time Notre Dame won a national championship. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: look that up. I mean it's got to be I mean,
Speaker 2: could let me see? They won in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 2: the year I was born. I'm thirty six years old.
Speaker 2: Like Notre Dame, I always defend Notre Dame because they've
Speaker 2: made the Playoff a lot, and people claim it's because
Speaker 2: they you know, they don't in a reason. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get back to why I'm bringing up the most hated
Speaker 2: teams because this program is not hated all the time,
Speaker 2: but currently Colorado's in the mix. Like people are waiting
Speaker 2: to seek prime fail I'm one of them. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: like with Notre Dame, I always defending because people will
Speaker 2: claim that they only got in because they're not in
Speaker 2: a conference and they don't play anybody, which is usually
Speaker 2: not I mean, that's not the truth. They usually end
Speaker 2: up playing a very challenging schedule for the most part,
Speaker 2: and just because they get killed in the playoff or
Speaker 2: in the national championship game doesn't necessarily mean they didn't
Speaker 2: belong there. And a lot of the times where they've
Speaker 2: gotten blown out, the team that you feel like should
Speaker 2: have been there in place of them, they probably would
Speaker 2: have got blown out to maybe even worse. But anyways,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. They only like again, haven't won a championship
Speaker 2: in thirty six years, and in the College Football playoff.
Speaker 2: Here the last ten seasons, they only have four wins
Speaker 2: against top ten teams. That puts them twenty fifth among
Speaker 2: FBS teams. They're four and fourteen in games against top
Speaker 2: ten teams in that span. Now, with that said, four
Speaker 2: and fourteen against top ten teams, if you found other
Speaker 2: teams that played eighteen times in that span against top
Speaker 2: ten teams, I bet the vast majority would have similar
Speaker 2: or worst records. Because you know what, you don't beat
Speaker 2: top ten teams very often. That's why they're top ten teams,
Speaker 2: they don't lose very often. It's kind of like the
Speaker 2: Kentucky stat that I think is you know, I'll admit it,
Speaker 2: it's nice to throw out there because it makes them
Speaker 2: look like they're like they're foolish to assume that they've
Speaker 2: arrived as a football program when they really haven't. But
Speaker 2: it is a little misleading to say, well, Mark Stoops
Speaker 2: is what is he? Two and something? Crazy against teams
Speaker 2: with a winning record in the SEC. Well, in an
Speaker 2: eight game schedule, there aren't that many teams that finished
Speaker 2: with winning records in the SEC, because you know, there's
Speaker 2: a there's a clear, you know, hierarchy of that league
Speaker 2: where you know you can be six and two, seven
Speaker 2: and one pretty much annually and then you know you've
Speaker 2: got your four and four and three and five's in
Speaker 2: the occasional five and three.
Speaker 4: But anyways, back to Colorado.
Speaker 2: There there, I mean, I I can't pinpoint one specific
Speaker 2: thing about Deon Sanders his play, Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, but I think I'm just annoyed. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm a hater. In fact, I guess that is what
Speaker 2: it is. Maybe I was just avoiding trying. Maybe I
Speaker 2: was avoiding saying that, but I guess that probably is
Speaker 2: what it is. I'm just a hater like Deon Sanders
Speaker 2: gets so much attention anytime he does anything, he moves
Speaker 2: the needle like nobody else. Last year was proof they
Speaker 2: weren't good, and yet they were one of the most
Speaker 2: talked about teams in the country even when they started
Speaker 2: losing and everybody realized they stunk. Deon Sanders gave Colorado
Speaker 2: the TMZ effect in college football. No matter what's going on,
Speaker 2: they're going to be talked about, no matter what Deon
Speaker 2: Sanders says, no matter what his record is. When he
Speaker 2: says outlandish things, it's going to be a talking point,
Speaker 2: it's going to be a storyline. And that's just because
Speaker 2: he has that effect because he's Deon Sanders.
Speaker 4: He's prime.
Speaker 2: So to see that they weren't good last year, They're
Speaker 2: probably going to be similar this year, maybe a little better,
Speaker 2: but yet they'll still be talking about a whole lot
Speaker 2: like that just annoys me, and I guess in the
Speaker 2: end that just makes me a hater because I'm feeling
Speaker 2: like they shouldn't be getting the attention that they're getting.
Speaker 2: I mean, am I wrong?
Speaker 1: John?
Speaker 2: I feel like they're a pretty not at easy I
Speaker 2: don't want to say an easy team to hate, but
Speaker 2: like when they act the way they act, they're as
Speaker 2: cocky as they are. Dion clearly, you know, says the
Speaker 2: things he says, and then they go out and they
Speaker 2: stink again. Like there's gonna be a lot of people
Speaker 2: I feel like that have satisfaction.
Speaker 4: And I'm one of them. But maybe I'm wrong. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: I know you're right, especially because you see the players,
Speaker 3: not only Dicon Sansy, you see people like should or Sanders.
Speaker 3: They clown other people on social media and just act
Speaker 3: like that they're all high and mighty like they're Alabama
Speaker 3: or Georgia or Ohio State, any of those top tier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've done nothing to warrant this perception they have
Speaker 2: of themselves. They have but yet fifteen.
Speaker 4: But yet the media.
Speaker 2: Gives it to them non stop to where it's like
Speaker 2: they don't even need to win. They're gonna always be
Speaker 2: talked about.
Speaker 3: And when they had their I guess this cute little
Speaker 3: run where they started off three or four and oh,
Speaker 3: and they they beat the TCU team that ended up
Speaker 3: not being as good as people lead. I mean that
Speaker 3: was I mean, that was college game Day for first.
Speaker 4: That's the team who played in the National Championship game and.
Speaker 3: They ended up being nothing. And people thought Colorado might
Speaker 3: be a top twenty twenty or you know, fifteen twenty
Speaker 3: team after that win. And they they won their next
Speaker 3: few games after that, but once they got into the
Speaker 3: bulk of their schedule, they they proved that they weren't
Speaker 3: worthy of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they and they also beat Nebraska in
Speaker 2: Nebraska also was pretty mean last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so I uh, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: For Dion Sanders to fail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he already has and he you know,
Speaker 2: not just not not big picture, but like I mean,
Speaker 2: last year was a failure.
Speaker 4: And again if if you that's what that's what.
Speaker 2: Irritates me about the Deon Sanders stuff, is that, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was in his first year and he did completely
Speaker 2: overturn a roster top to bottom.
Speaker 4: But that's because he wanted to.
Speaker 2: But there'd be a little bit more grace for someone
Speaker 2: who didn't carry themselves as if they're about to take
Speaker 2: over the sport, you know what I mean. Like's that's
Speaker 2: what irks me is that, And I just think it's
Speaker 2: human nature maybe not everybody's the same, because there are
Speaker 2: people who just think, like, oh, everybody's hating jealous dion
Speaker 2: of what he hasn't done anything. But I think if
Speaker 2: you're somebody that is so arrogant and so over the top,
Speaker 2: so you know, flashy, braggadocious, and then you fall completely
Speaker 2: flat of what you've claimed you can do and will do,
Speaker 2: there's a level of people enjoying that, like, Wow, you
Speaker 2: got humbled, and I was happy to see it. I
Speaker 2: don't know if Dean Sanders can be humbled. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that's possible, but I think that's sort of where
Speaker 2: I'm at with it because it's not like I hate
Speaker 2: him as a guy. It's not like I just like
Speaker 2: I know nothing about Colorado Buffalo football, but like, because
Speaker 2: of how they carry themselves in this, the perception they
Speaker 2: have of themselves, I am someone that has no problem
Speaker 2: admitting when they fail, I will take satisfaction in that.
Speaker 3: When's that Louis Vuitton luggage showing up?
Speaker 2: Yeah he's got it, and they just you know, they
Speaker 2: didn't win with it. So the reason I bring them
Speaker 2: up is because they did something that I believe is
Speaker 2: is insanely lame and the Arkansas football Twitter account call
Speaker 2: him out for it, and I love it. So Colorado
Speaker 2: put out a video yesterday of Shardoor Sanders, the quarterback
Speaker 2: of course, Dion's son throwing it throw, you know, making
Speaker 2: a play in practice, and it says darts only on
Speaker 2: the tweet, and then it has the little you know,
Speaker 2: the dartboard uh. And then it's his hashtag fall camp
Speaker 2: and it's got the buffalo emoji. In the video, it
Speaker 2: shows him dropping back in the pocket. There's a there's
Speaker 2: a view from behind the pocket, behind the line that
Speaker 2: shows him scrambling a little bit and then he throws
Speaker 2: one up in the air and then it quickly goes
Speaker 2: to a different camera, which is somebody catching a touchdown
Speaker 2: in the end zone. Well, didn't take anybody to do
Speaker 2: any kind of like crazy editing work to determine they
Speaker 2: doctor the footage. The pass caught in the end was
Speaker 2: not the pass that was thrown in the first clip.
Speaker 2: So they doctored a video to make it look like
Speaker 2: he threw a touchdown pass with like you know, legitimate
Speaker 2: pressure to the quarterback and whatnot. And they you know,
Speaker 2: the majority of the video is them celebrating after the fact,
Speaker 2: doing all what they do. Right, So Arkansas's football account
Speaker 2: put the same thing out there, darts, only same emoji,
Speaker 2: and then they put the razorback hog emoji.
Speaker 4: I think that's what that is.
Speaker 2: And they do the same thing, but they make it
Speaker 2: a little they make it a little more obvious, right,
Speaker 2: like two completely different days of practice. But it's funny
Speaker 2: like that to me is so petty and funny. That's
Speaker 2: one of the things that makes college football great. But
Speaker 2: it's even better for me knowing that it's Colorado getting
Speaker 2: clown because that's just that they do clown stuff like that.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side,
Speaker 2: we go. We'll have about thirty minutes left when we
Speaker 2: come back. Someone's accused me on the text line of
Speaker 2: not talking enough about Louis Basketball's Bahamas trip. That's one
Speaker 2: way to get me to talk about it. Are you
Speaker 2: questioning if I'm all in on this team or not?
Speaker 4: You're wrong.
Speaker 2: It's another one of those songs, John, that you told
Speaker 2: me as songs like maybe five six years old. I'd
Speaker 2: believe you, and it's not.
Speaker 3: It's two thousand and nine, right, eight, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's sixteen years old. So yeah, Kevin Rudolph
Speaker 2: had a very brief run. Oh yeah, whatever happened to him.
Speaker 3: I don't really know what he's doing, but he ye
Speaker 3: like this song yet I made it, and maybe a
Speaker 3: couple of others in that he.
Speaker 2: Had this song with Lil Wayne and he signed with
Speaker 2: Lil Wayne's Young Money, and you know, that was like
Speaker 2: the first introduction to somebody within that group that was
Speaker 2: more of like, you know, an artist, producer, rock kind
Speaker 2: of guy than than you know, the rest of the crew.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't I mean, I've not heard anything from him since
Speaker 2: that song you just played. So shout out to Kevin Rudolph.
Speaker 2: I wonder what he's up to today. I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: probably still involved in music maybe, but you know, maybe he.
Speaker 3: Just travels to the clubs and plays that song and leaves.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a pretty big hit, wasn't it was.
Speaker 3: You could you couldn't go to a sporting event and
Speaker 3: not hear it at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let it rock, all right?
Speaker 2: So this texture earlier on the text line se LNN
Speaker 2: Federal Credit Union text line five O two six five
Speaker 2: three zero seven nineties the number if you guys would
Speaker 2: like to text in and join us. But somebody says that,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm trying to scroll through here to
Speaker 2: find that it says, Yeah, Nick, what was your biggest
Speaker 2: takeaway from the Bahamas? I don't feel like you talked
Speaker 2: a whole lot about it. I was expecting you to
Speaker 2: come back from vacation and mention more of your takeaways. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean I talked about it. I just it was
Speaker 2: last week and it was not a real game. And
Speaker 2: I do know that there are many people who listen
Speaker 2: to this show that that you know, don't didn't watch
Speaker 2: and probably aren't. You know, they're just not as as
Speaker 2: into a game that's in the summer in the Bahamas
Speaker 2: that you could only watch on YouTube. But I also
Speaker 2: tried to balance that with throwing in the other side,
Speaker 2: which which is, well, Louisville basketball fans are starving for,
Speaker 2: I mean starving for you know, this new era and
Speaker 2: it's here hadn't started just yet, but like this is
Speaker 2: an unusual exception. This is this is the first time
Speaker 2: we're going to get a chance to see Pat Kelsey
Speaker 2: and this brand new team. So to see that they
Speaker 2: had over ten thousand people watching, I think it was
Speaker 2: closer to fifteen thousand people watching on the Tuesday night
Speaker 2: game and then at noon on a Thursday. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it capped at, but they were around six
Speaker 2: thousand at one point watching live. I mean that does
Speaker 2: tell you there is an appetite for it. So again, look,
Speaker 2: I've talked about it a lot Monday. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you weren't listening at that point, but you know,
Speaker 2: biggest takeaway for me, and I was just talking about
Speaker 2: this a little bit earlier with the Invertrees who is
Speaker 2: now down the hall producing for mister Minors, but seeing
Speaker 2: how unselfish they were, that that really stood out and
Speaker 2: stuck with me. I mean obviously the personnel. I mean
Speaker 2: I talked a lot about those guys specifically, and I
Speaker 2: think when we were talking up these guys and being
Speaker 2: really excited about almost teaching every one of them as
Speaker 2: far as them being good pieces to really get this
Speaker 2: thing turned around in year one, I think what we
Speaker 2: saw matched what we were thinking, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't see anything from anybody that made me
Speaker 2: feel like, Okay, well we were wrong about this guy.
Speaker 4: He's not gonna be able to help us as much.
Speaker 2: And the reason you can say that is because it's
Speaker 2: a squad that looks really good on paper because of
Speaker 2: the amount of good players you have, not because of
Speaker 2: two or three All American Superstar future NBA guys. It's
Speaker 2: you just got a bunch of really experienced players that
Speaker 2: know who they are as players and play within their
Speaker 2: game and fit exactly the way Pat Kelsey wants to play.
Speaker 2: So you know, what stood out to me is that
Speaker 2: they were guys making multiple extra passes in possessions to
Speaker 2: get really good shots and that led to good looks
Speaker 2: and guys knocking down a lot. I mean, the amount
Speaker 2: of assists they had. I don't have the number off
Speaker 2: the top of my head, but it was insane. And
Speaker 2: it's because they were unselfish. They shared the ball, and
Speaker 2: it really, in my opinion, what it did in both games,
Speaker 2: more so in the first game than the second game.
Speaker 2: But you did start to see it about midway through
Speaker 2: that second game against the college from from from Canada.
Speaker 2: But when you're whipping it around and you're playing unselfish basketball,
Speaker 2: making extra pass after extra pass to make sure you
Speaker 2: get the best shots you can, that's when you realize
Speaker 2: you're playing a team from the Bahamas that might have
Speaker 2: some decent players that are playing you know, Division one
Speaker 2: college at certain places, but also like they're not a
Speaker 2: structured team.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: They am in practicing for months, right, and that's when
Speaker 2: they break down defensively, And you won't see guys do
Speaker 2: that as much when you get to like real college games.
Speaker 2: But hey, that's how you can fold a team and
Speaker 2: you know, name the score if you want to. And
Speaker 2: that's what they could have done in that first game.
Speaker 2: And again, this is this is not something that's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's important and it may be corny to some, but
Speaker 2: it honestly is the first thing that I noticed when
Speaker 2: I watch this group play, their energy and their effort
Speaker 2: and to see them diving on diving on the floor
Speaker 2: up thirty you know, just never you know, being physical,
Speaker 2: being locked in, having an intensity about him, really just
Speaker 2: being locked in. And there's probably other ways to describe
Speaker 2: it than just saying locked in, but one way to
Speaker 2: describe it is that they were.
Speaker 4: They were.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm trying to think a different way to
Speaker 2: describe it, because I don't even know if locked in
Speaker 2: does it justice. But put it this way, the way
Speaker 2: you saw Kenny Payne's teams on the floor, no real
Speaker 2: attention to detail, the inner just just not me just
Speaker 2: almost just flat footed. And it's not that they were
Speaker 2: just out there completely not trying, but like they were
Speaker 2: a reflection of the guy on the sideline that had
Speaker 2: no energy, was lifeless, didn't really say a whole lot.
Speaker 4: Just just didn't really have much.
Speaker 2: And I'd be a liar if I said the first
Speaker 2: time I saw a team play for Kenny Payne, I
Speaker 2: knew he was going to win what twelve games in
Speaker 2: two years, because nobody would have ever thought that was possible,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, you could have said he
Speaker 2: was the worst coach ever and still felt like, well,
Speaker 2: he's going to win more than twelve in two years.
Speaker 2: But when they played Leonora Ryan in that exhibition game,
Speaker 2: who we now refer to as Leanne Rhimes and they lost,
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, Man, these guys their energy, their enthusiasm,
Speaker 2: their spirit, it's a reflection of the guy on the sideline,
Speaker 2: who I feel like lacks all of those things in
Speaker 2: a major way. And now we watched a team who
Speaker 2: I feel like their energy, their enthusiasm, their spirit, their
Speaker 2: effort is a reflection of the guy on the sideline
Speaker 2: who we love what he brings to the table. In
Speaker 2: that regard Pat Kelcey, Now again, I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: means he's going to go out there and you know,
Speaker 2: win thirty games in year one. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: Louisville has a chance to be pretty good this year,
Speaker 2: and I think the future is bright with Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 2: He hasn't coached a game here yet, so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to get ahead of myself. But you know, we're
Speaker 2: talking about base level stuff here, right, because you can
Speaker 2: have energy, effort, enthusiasm, attention to detail, focus and still
Speaker 2: not be good, right. I mean, that happens, but that's
Speaker 2: where it starts. So you know, having a team give
Speaker 2: effort and really you know, be a collective unit right
Speaker 2: where guys are clapping it up for each other, they're unselfish,
Speaker 2: you know, they're up thirty diving.
Speaker 4: On the floor for loose balls.
Speaker 2: I mean, those are things that I will tell you
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to not have major appreciation for
Speaker 2: the little stuff that you just expect to happen when
Speaker 2: it didn't happen for two years here. So those are
Speaker 2: the things that really step out to me that aren't
Speaker 2: really personnel related as far as well, this player is
Speaker 2: going to be this good and this player is going
Speaker 2: to be that good. So look, I I really really
Speaker 2: think this team can not only just be good for
Speaker 2: you know, the bounce back year, the you know, the
Speaker 2: first year of the Pat Kelsey era, coming off of
Speaker 2: two disastrous seasons that none of us ever believed possible.
Speaker 2: Like the bar's low. But I think they can be
Speaker 2: pretty good. And I'm saying that knowing they've got a
Speaker 2: pretty tough schedule, and I'm saying that knowing also that
Speaker 2: the ACC is is not going to be an elite league. Guys,
Speaker 2: you got Cooper Flagg coming in at Duke and they're
Speaker 2: always going to have talent. But John Shire's not going
Speaker 2: to do what coach k did. And honestly, that's not
Speaker 2: fair to Shire because nobody's going to I mean, Carolina,
Speaker 2: you know, they're always going to be talented, and Hubert Davis,
Speaker 2: I think he's done a solid job. But you know,
Speaker 2: outside of that, who do you look at in the
Speaker 2: ACC and you feel like, uh.
Speaker 4: Oh, they're going to be really really good next year
Speaker 4: we're in trouble. Don't give me.
Speaker 2: In c State they might be good, but their final
Speaker 2: four was ridiculous. I mean, they weren't good last year.
Speaker 2: They turned it on the Final four and you know,
Speaker 2: had some March magic, and they bring back some good players,
Speaker 2: and that two of those guys are from Louisville that
Speaker 2: transferred in and Brandon Hunley had field to Mike James.
Speaker 2: You know, I like, I like Steve Forbes, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's going to be a team that
Speaker 2: you got to like, oh, what are you gonna do
Speaker 2: when when you got to play them, they're just too good.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is kind of a weird way to
Speaker 2: go about it. But like, one of the things that
Speaker 2: has me super excited about year one is I think
Speaker 2: that the program or the conference that Louisville plays in
Speaker 2: is not very good.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, I mean, Notre Dame Miami, I mean
Speaker 2: Florida State might be the worst team in the league.
Speaker 2: Clemson they made an Elite eight, right, I don't know
Speaker 2: how sustainable that is for what's his.
Speaker 3: Name, Brad Brown?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Brownwell is Yeah. I mean like.
Speaker 2: Syracuse could Syracuse is the team I think that could
Speaker 2: be better, like actually be good, not to the level
Speaker 2: of like, you know, final fours, necessarily as far as
Speaker 2: that being the expectation, But I do think in Red
Speaker 2: autry second year, he's got a chance to to kind
Speaker 2: of either you know, look like a guy who might
Speaker 2: be in over his head who took over as the
Speaker 2: first time head coach, or somebody who might be able
Speaker 2: to actually do something. So yeah, I'm super excited. And
Speaker 2: this is a text that came in a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier in regards to basketball, and I probably should have
Speaker 2: got to it earlier because we have a ton of
Speaker 2: time right now. But somebody asked if I think that
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey's going to strategically get guys to visit during
Speaker 2: some big football games this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think Louisville's home schedule is great
Speaker 2: this year as far as the big matchups. In fact,
Speaker 2: Louisvill's home games this year, you've got two games that
Speaker 2: are kind of non starters, Austin p Jacksonville State. You
Speaker 2: then will play Georgia Tech SMU Miami could be a
Speaker 2: big one on the nineteenth of October, and then you
Speaker 2: play Pittsburgh and home on November twenty third. So the
Speaker 2: bigger games are going to be away. But that didn't
Speaker 2: mean you still can have a great atmosphere, and yes
Speaker 2: that is, I mean we could. I don't spend more
Speaker 2: time on it, because you've already spent more time on
Speaker 2: the previous regime.
Speaker 4: We don't need to go there.
Speaker 2: But last year, I mean, you had a ten win season,
Speaker 2: sellout games at Ellen N Cardinal Stadium last year, which
Speaker 2: doesn't happen often to sellouts and great atmospheres because they
Speaker 2: were playing some damn good football. They were a top twenty,
Speaker 2: top fifteen team for the majority of the year, top
Speaker 2: ten at one point, right, And Kenny Payne, a guy
Speaker 2: who's seemingly coaching for his job, didn't recruit any high
Speaker 2: school kids. Therefore, he didn't have anybody visiting Louisville, did
Speaker 2: not have a single visitor from the twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: recruiting class or sorted the twenty twenty four recruiting class
Speaker 2: until you know, he realized, oh, I guess I'd better
Speaker 2: start recruiting better. And remember the nonsense he pulled with
Speaker 2: the visit from Carter Knox.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was so dramatic too. Some of this
Speaker 3: stuff doesn't seem like it really happened. Isn't it funny
Speaker 3: how it feels like an alternate reacity.
Speaker 2: It does because it just it almost you know, even
Speaker 2: though it's over and we know it happened, it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like some of these things are real. Like when
Speaker 2: he blamed Tyler Johnson's tights, I mean, and Mike Woodson
Speaker 2: tricked him because he went zone like what is what was?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my gosh.
Speaker 4: But it's over. It's over, and I'm happy about that.
Speaker 4: All right, quick break, we'll come back. Wrap this thing up.
Speaker 2: It's coffee and company, I feel about Thornton's on Sports
Speaker 2: Talk seven ninety. All right, with very little time left,
Speaker 2: let's hit the text line this Texas. Nick, when you
Speaker 2: mentioned VHH and Mike James at NC State, it reminded
Speaker 2: me of how many former players are going to be
Speaker 2: playing elsewhere next year. Who do you think has the
Speaker 2: best season as far as like best numbers? I think
Speaker 2: it'll be close. I think, well, put it this way,
Speaker 2: I think as far as numbers, I actually think Curtis
Speaker 2: Williams Junior could have a big season at Georgetown for
Speaker 2: Fred Cooley. But I don't know if if you know
Speaker 2: they're going to be any good or not. I mean,
Speaker 2: they were really really.
Speaker 4: Bad last year.
Speaker 2: I always thought Curtis Williams Junior had a lot of talent,
Speaker 2: silky smooth offensive player, good kid too from what I understand,
Speaker 2: and just you know, he he kind of lost his
Speaker 2: confidence a little bit, as you could expect. I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys went through a season as far as just
Speaker 2: losses and struggle that you know, they probably have never
Speaker 2: gone through at any point in their life as basketball players.
Speaker 2: So Mike James and Brenda hilly had Field, I think
Speaker 2: those could be two important guys for KEATS, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if they'll have, Like you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if they'll be all conference type players there.
Speaker 4: Brandon could be.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got all the tools and he really
Speaker 2: played well and showed why he was at one point
Speaker 2: a top ten player at times last year, just you know,
Speaker 2: unfortunately came in a lot of losing efforts. So he's
Speaker 2: probably the most talented guy that has left. Tyler Johnson
Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked if he really blends in well with
Speaker 2: what they've got going on at Wake Forest. I know
Speaker 2: they brought Hunter Salas back, and him playing alongside Hunter
Speaker 2: Salas could be could be a pretty good duo in
Speaker 2: the ACC and then I've got somewhat of a surprise
Speaker 2: answer for you because he's now at Grand Canyon, which
Speaker 2: means he's not going to get a whole lot of attention.
Speaker 2: There's not going to be a lot of games on TV,
Speaker 2: but it's a lower level and he's a giant Dennis Evans, like,
Speaker 2: I think Dennis Evans could end up having a pretty
Speaker 2: you know, not a He's not gonna be an All
Speaker 2: American or anything like that, but I feel like he
Speaker 2: may be somebody you realize, oh wow, this guy's leading
Speaker 2: the country in block shots. So who am I forgetting? Oh,
Speaker 2: Scott Clark, you know at UCLA. I wouldn't be shocked
Speaker 2: if he's, you know, a guy that's got a you know,
Speaker 2: decent role. But I don't know if he'll be. You know,
Speaker 2: Louisville had talented players last year that you know, clearly
Speaker 2: were better than their record. I mean they Kenny played
Speaker 2: nothing but Ford five star players against Kentucky Wesley in
Speaker 2: an exhibition game and lost. So and they had they
Speaker 2: had talent. But trust me, I don't think I ever
Speaker 2: made it sound as if they had a roster that
Speaker 2: if you know, they had a good coach, they'd be
Speaker 2: a four seed in the tournament. No, but I mean
Speaker 2: they just were unexcusably bad. Who else am I forgetting? Oh,
Speaker 2: this is one of those guys that I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: shocked if, like he ends up maybe having a good
Speaker 2: like you'll you'll see him pretty regularly, and I'm completely
Speaker 2: forgetting his name.
Speaker 4: He transferred to.
Speaker 2: Illinois, Trey White, Yeah, Tray White, because he I mean,
Speaker 2: he's never lacked talent. He just was inconsistent and you know,
Speaker 2: had no interest in playing defense and didn't even hide it.
Speaker 2: So you know he's got talent. He's a six seven wing,
Speaker 2: good athlete, good size, So you know, maybe him playing
Speaker 2: alongside good talent at Illinois and a good coach in
Speaker 2: Brad Underwood, maybe he ends up being pretty good.
Speaker 4: So but none of that matters.
Speaker 2: Again, you know, these guys left for for good reason,
Speaker 2: and you know, I love this current level team that
Speaker 2: we have that Pat Kelsey and his staff is put together.
Speaker 2: All right, we're out of time. We will talk to
Speaker 2: you tomorrow, that is, if you join us, And why
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