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Thank you so much for your support. 23 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:57,120 Well now from May the third, nineteen fifty one, It's 24 00:01:57,519 --> 00:01:58,400 the Big Casey. 25 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: The story you are about to hear is true, only 26 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:21,520 the names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're 27 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,879 a detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide detail. You go 28 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,000 to an apartment house and answer to her shooting and 29 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,319 dead body call. Her husband tells you it's suicide. The 30 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,159 facts show. 31 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: It to be murder. 32 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 4: Your job find out. 33 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:50,159 Speaker 5: Drag Man, the documented drama of an actual crime. While 34 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:52,960 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles 35 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,960 Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 36 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,560 side of the law through an actual case transcribed from 37 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,000 official police violence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. 38 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,120 Drag Net is the story of your police force in action. 39 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 6: It was Sunday, March ninth, was Wendy in Los Angeles. 40 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,560 We were working the day watch out of homicide detail. 41 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,120 My partner's Ben Romero, the boss's that brown cheap of detectives. 42 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: My name is Friday. 43 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:24,599 Speaker 6: Was four thirty five pm when we got to the 44 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,599 first floor of the Kelsey Apartment Hotel, Apartment one twelve. 45 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,439 Speaker 3: Hi Joe Ben, Hi, Hey, how are you? What have 46 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,080 you got here? 47 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 7: The woman's dead shot to the right temper with a 48 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,639 forty five automatic husband claims a suicide. What's the name, mister, missus? 49 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,240 Andrew Robertson. My wife's name was Marie. That's mister Robertson 50 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:43,719 right over here. 51 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: There's a crime. I've been called how about ten minutes ago? Fine, 52 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,960 mister Robertson. This is Sergeant Romero, Sergeant Friday. How do 53 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,319 you do? How you have you? Questioned mister Robertson. 54 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 8: No, not yet, mister Robertson, do you want to tell 55 00:03:55,879 --> 00:03:56,680 us what happened here? 56 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 9: I had just gotten back from the corner grocery store. 57 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,879 My wife and I had a little argument going. It 58 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,759 started before I left for this door, and it was 59 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,520 still on when I got back. I see she was 60 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,879 fixing chicken fried steaks for dinner, putting a flour on him. 61 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:13,280 We had a few more words, and I went over 62 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:15,400 and sat on the devonport right where I am now. 63 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: She was standing there in the doorway to the kitchen. 64 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 9: She said something that set me off, and I guess 65 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:24,000 I got pretty mad and said a few things. And 66 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:26,319 she went back over that little night stand there by 67 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:28,439 the door to the kitchen. That one right there, Yeah, 68 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,560 that's it. That's where I keep my army automatic. She 69 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:34,360 pulled it out of the drawer and backed up into 70 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:36,680 the kitchen. She put the gun to her head and 71 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,360 said this will put an end to the argument once 72 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:41,959 and for all. I yelled at her and tried to 73 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:44,319 stop her, but I was too late. She pulled the 74 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:45,399 trigger and fell right. 75 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,199 Speaker 3: There where she is. What'd you do? 76 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:47,439 Speaker 4: Then? 77 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 9: I went upstairs to Ted Carlton's place. He lives in 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,319 two twelve, right above us. We don't have a phone here. 79 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,879 I asked him to call the police and send for 80 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:56,519 an ambulance. 81 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: Did you go over to see how badly your wife 82 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,040 was shot? 83 00:04:59,360 --> 00:04:59,519 Speaker 4: Yeah? 84 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,759 Speaker 3: I forgot to tell you. The minute she fired, I 85 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:04,519 rushed right over to her, but I was too late. 86 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:05,199 Speaker 4: She was dead. 87 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 10: Now did you touch anything in here? Move anything at all? 88 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 9: No, they're not a thing. I've been sitting here ever 89 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,920 since I got back down from Ted's room. 90 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:14,759 Speaker 3: Upstairs. I see Joe. 91 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, empty cartridge casing here on the floor. Yeah, when 92 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,160 Jones gets here, we'll measure the distance. 93 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:29,519 Speaker 10: Just a minute. We can put this saucer over till 94 00:05:29,519 --> 00:05:30,480 the crime lab gets here. 95 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: Hiley, all right, crime labs there fridday. The joon will 96 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:38,759 highly Oh Joe Manley free mind? 97 00:05:38,759 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 6: Would you mind taking mister Robertson downtown. We'll be right 98 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,959 down since you finish up here. All right, you see 99 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:43,279 you later. 100 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot. 101 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 10: Hereing, let's go. 102 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 8: All that we got here, shot through the right temple? 103 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:55,399 Husband clamed suicide. What's under the saucer? 104 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: Empty casing? 105 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 8: Looks like she was flowering meat? Huh, that's what the 106 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:03,279 husband says. 107 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's probably what that is in the barrel of 108 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:08,040 the automatic there. 109 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, we noticed that waste baskets shore full, isn't it? 110 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 111 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,759 Speaker 8: I like temple forty five automatic. 112 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,519 Speaker 3: Yeah. 113 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 8: If she shot herself in the kitchen, how do you 114 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:26,319 figure the empty case and got out there in the 115 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,600 living room position of the body doesn't want then that'll 116 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:30,879 be get miguel a photographer? 117 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 3: Ada, I add, well, what do you want to shoot? 118 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 8: Well, don't you get an overall of the room first 119 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,199 and grab one in the kitchen there? 120 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:43,959 Speaker 3: All right? 121 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,759 Speaker 8: Way do I get that saucer off the casing? 122 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: End? 123 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 10: Okay? 124 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 3: Right now? 125 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:01,519 Speaker 12: You want to move over there loft. 126 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:14,319 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, thanks, all right, you want the kitchen. 127 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 8: Right from where you are on. Now it's good. We 128 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:16,639 can get out of your way here. 129 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: Okay, this is fine. 130 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,079 Speaker 10: M m. 131 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 8: Now right over the body, let me get that chattis 132 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:33,160 down to here. 133 00:07:33,199 --> 00:07:44,879 Speaker 12: You are that much room to work with me. 134 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: Can you get it all in there? 135 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 10: Yeah? 136 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:50,199 Speaker 3: I think so. 137 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 8: Use the waste basket as your outside line here in 138 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,920 kitchen sink on the other side. You can't get the 139 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:57,639 sink in when you send up for the waste basket 140 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:00,000 only fine, Just use that as your right hand side line. 141 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: H m m. Okay. 142 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:09,759 Speaker 10: So why do you Fellas finished up in here? We're 143 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:10,879 gonna rou upstairs in that way? 144 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:18,279 Speaker 3: Okay, Joe moment, where do you want to go? First? 145 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:21,480 Do twelve? And that's this Ted Carlton Robertson mentioned in it. 146 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, the Fellaws was supposed to have called in for him. 147 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,199 Speaker 10: All right, you know here it is right the headstairs. 148 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: Yes, police officers you, mister Calton, Yes, that's right. Comment. 149 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,519 Thank you very much. This is an awful thing, isn't it. 150 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 10: Yes, sir, we understand that you're a friend of the Robertsons. 151 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,879 Speaker 3: Yes I am. Have you found out anything. Yet you 152 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,159 think Andy killed her? We don't know. We haven't completed 153 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:46,919 that investigation. 154 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 13: Oh, I see, I'll bet that's the way it was. 155 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,720 I hate to say that, but from all indications, it 156 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:54,879 certainly looks that way. How do you mean the argument 157 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,240 is shouting and then that single shot. I don't know, 158 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:58,759 but it sure struck me that Andy did it? 159 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,279 Speaker 3: When did the arguments? Was it prolonged? You know? What 160 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,679 do you mean when it's stuck? What time? You know? 161 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 13: This one today started about three thirty when Andy got 162 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:09,759 back from the Star. But they've been arguing ever since 163 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:10,279 I've known them. 164 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,279 Speaker 3: How long have you known them? 165 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,039 Speaker 13: About two years? Those two never should have gotten married 166 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:14,480 to begin with. 167 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,639 Speaker 3: If I'm any judge, are you marry No, sir, I'm not. 168 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,799 Speaker 6: What if you could tell us, did missus Robertson never 169 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:22,519 say anything that would lead you to believe that she 170 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:23,519 was in fear of her life? 171 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:24,919 Speaker 4: Well, yes she did. 172 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,919 Speaker 13: One time Andy stalked out of the apartment down there 173 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:29,000 and Marie came up here. 174 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:29,279 Speaker 3: To see me. 175 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 13: She was in tears, all broken up about it. As 176 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:36,360 usual during these spats, she said, I'll try to remember 177 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:39,039 exactly how she put it. She said, Andy gets so 178 00:09:39,159 --> 00:09:41,000 mad sometimes I think he's going to kill me. 179 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: What did they usually argue about, you know, all different things. 180 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,919 Speaker 13: This particular time that I was telling you about, I 181 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,559 think it was over his being late for dinner. 182 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,879 Speaker 10: Aside from this one instance. Is there anything else that 183 00:09:51,919 --> 00:09:52,519 you can tell us? 184 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 13: Well, Andy has a terrible temper that I know. We 185 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,960 used to go out and bowl once in a while, Marie, 186 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,679 Andy and myself to stop every time he'd missed a spare. 187 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,000 You'd think it was the end of the world. 188 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 8: Would he usually seem to take it out of his wife. 189 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,519 Speaker 13: Most of the time, Yeah, although I must say I 190 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,879 caught it a few times myself. Abusive language. She really 191 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,240 carried on over nothing at all. 192 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:16,399 Speaker 8: Did Robertson leave his wife home alone much of the time. 193 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,639 Speaker 3: No, not any more than usual. 194 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 8: Seems like he always wanted to get home just so 195 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:20,639 they could argue. 196 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: Everybody in the apartment house knows about him. 197 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 8: So you said that, missus Robertson came up here after 198 00:10:25,879 --> 00:10:27,240 that one particular argument. 199 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:29,919 Speaker 3: Yes, Well does he come up here often? 200 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 13: No, not very often, just when she was unusually upset 201 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:35,320 and her nerved her on edge. But only then when 202 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:36,600 Andy had rushed out in my head. 203 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 8: Well, do you know whether or not Robertson Owen's a gun? 204 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:39,399 Speaker 4: Yes? 205 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:40,039 Speaker 3: I believe he does. 206 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,759 Speaker 13: As a matter of fact, I know he does. One night, 207 00:10:41,799 --> 00:10:44,039 we're having trouble with prowlers and he came up here 208 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,120 with his automatic. Later on, I think I asked him 209 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,919 where he got the gun? He said, from the army. 210 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Is there anything else you can add, mister Cardan, I 211 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:53,120 was one. 212 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: Who call the police. Do that? That's what we understand. 213 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:56,320 Didn't Andy tell you? 214 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 13: He came up here right after the shot and asked 215 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,759 me to call the police for him. They don't have 216 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:02,039 well exactly how to de tell you? 217 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: What do you mean? Well? 218 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:04,519 Speaker 8: What were his exact words? Can you remember them? 219 00:11:04,519 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: Well? 220 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,519 Speaker 13: He said, my wife's shot, called the police and get 221 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:08,440 an ambulance quick. 222 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 10: And what was your reaction to this? 223 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:12,799 Speaker 13: I'd heard the shot, so I wasn't too surprised. But 224 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,879 when Andy came running up here, I knew before he 225 00:11:14,919 --> 00:11:16,799 said a word, you could tell just to look at him, 226 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,279 you could tell what something was wrong. I had a 227 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,879 hunch all along that this might happen someday. What's that 228 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:31,159 that Andy and Kelly's wife. 229 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 6: Ben and I continued questioning the various neighbors in the 230 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,200 apartment building. Their stories all matched in every detail. The 231 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,519 Robertsons had been known to. 232 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 8: Argue quite frequently and quite loud. 233 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 6: None of the neighbors could definitely say that they had 234 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,879 ever heard Andrew Robertson threaten his wife. 235 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,919 Speaker 3: All of them volunteered it would be entirely possible. We 236 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,240 put in a call to R and I. 237 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 6: We found that there was no previous record on Andrew 238 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:52,320 Robertson nor his wife Marie. Before Lee Jones had finished 239 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,919 his investigation, Layton fingerprint men had arrived and the men 240 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,200 from the Coroner's office were standing by for removal of 241 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:01,039 the body. We canvassed the neighborhood and checked with the 242 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,000 various merchants in the area. They could shed no further 243 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,279 light on the death of Marie Robertson. The coroner removed 244 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,279 the body from Apartment one twelve, and Lee Jones continued 245 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:11,200 with his investigation. 246 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:14,879 Speaker 3: Ben and I returned downtown for further interrogation of the suspect. 247 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:17,600 Everything I've told you was the truth. 248 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 8: Would you mind going over just once more? 249 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:20,519 Speaker 3: All right? 250 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,519 Speaker 9: We had our cause and arguments, and I guess some 251 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:25,519 of them were pretty bad. 252 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,279 Speaker 3: But I'd never do a thing like this to Marie. 253 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 8: Where you don't seem very upset about all this. 254 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,399 Speaker 9: Robinson, I'm not crying, if that's what you mean. I'm 255 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,559 sorry she had to do it. Tried to stop her, 256 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,759 but there was nothing I could do. 257 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 8: Where you seem to be taking all this pretty well 258 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,759 under the circumstances. 259 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 9: I don't know if I can explain how I feel 260 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,240 about it. You see, Marie and I want too happy 261 00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:50,600 the past couple of years. We've been married eight years, 262 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,360 and I guess from the start we never could hit 263 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:55,120 it off. Did you used to argue quite a bit? No, 264 00:12:55,399 --> 00:12:58,679 at first, we didn't. Just seem that we've drifted apart. 265 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,799 The last couple of years seemed to fight all the 266 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,159 time over nothing at all. I honestly believe. 267 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: We fell out of love. 268 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,399 Speaker 8: But would you mind telling us again exactly what happened 269 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,159 this afternoon? 270 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 9: First of all, I got up. I always liked to 271 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,559 sleep on Sundays. She asked me to go to the store. 272 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,240 That started the argument. She knows I don't like to 273 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:22,519 go shopping, but it seemed like she was always forgetting 274 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,039 something and i'd have to go. When I got back 275 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,960 from the store. She was making chicken fried steaks for dinner. 276 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:33,279 She was putting a flour on the meat. We argued 277 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:35,200 back and forth for a minute, and then she stepped 278 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,480 into the living room. I went over and sat on 279 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,519 the davenport. Oh my god, we had a few more boys. 280 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,559 And she went over to the small night stand by 281 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,879 the kitchen door and took out my army automatic that 282 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:48,840 I kept in there. She backed up into the kitchen 283 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,600 and pointed the gun at her head. Here she said, 284 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,399 this will end the argument once and for all. 285 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: So I said. 286 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 9: I was on the davenport about twelve feet away from her. 287 00:13:57,639 --> 00:14:00,879 Speaker 3: I yelled at her, what did you say? Said Marie, 288 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:04,480 put that gun down, it's loaded. Before I could reach her, 289 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:07,519 she pulled the trigger. Then what'd you do? I rushed 290 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,320 over to her, but it was too late. She was dead. 291 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:10,440 What happened? Then? 292 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 9: We don't have a phone, So I rushed upstairs at 293 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,759 the apartment right over us ted Calvin's. I asked him 294 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:18,360 to phone for the police in the ambulance. 295 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:20,879 Speaker 3: Did you tell Carlton about your wife? Yes? I did. 296 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:24,960 I told him she'd been shot. Then where'd you go? So, 297 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,480 just like I told you, the apartment. I went back 298 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:29,919 downstairs and waited in the living room for you people 299 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:32,559 to get there. Did you go near your wife's Boddy, No, 300 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:33,039 I did not. 301 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 10: Did you always keep that gun loaded? 302 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:36,759 Speaker 3: Yes? 303 00:14:36,799 --> 00:14:37,159 Speaker 4: I did. 304 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 9: I always kept it loaded and actuated the shell in 305 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,120 the chamber, but I kept the safety lock on. Ree 306 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,159 knew how to operate the gun because I showed her 307 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,039 for when I was out late. She wasn't strong enough 308 00:14:49,039 --> 00:14:50,960 to actuate it, but she could work the safety. 309 00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 8: Did your wife ever try to commit suicide before? 310 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: Not to my knowledge. 311 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 10: Well, mister Robertson, you sure that everything you've told. 312 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: Us is the truth? It's see sort your truth, every 313 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:01,559 word of it. 314 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 10: Well, sir, here's the way it looks to us. We 315 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:06,120 think you killed your wife. 316 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:07,159 Speaker 4: I didn't. 317 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:09,879 Speaker 8: I just lay out a few things for you. We 318 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,159 talked to your friends and neighbors in your apartment house. 319 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,200 We have people who are testified to the fact that 320 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,080 your wife was afraid that you might kill him. 321 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:17,159 Speaker 3: If he told one man. 322 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 9: Then it isn't true. I don't know what you may 323 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:21,759 have told somebody, but I didn't kill her. 324 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 8: So know, in fact, throughout the entire apartment building that 325 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:26,840 you and your wife had violent quarrels. The kind of 326 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,159 argument from on reports, it could easily lead to something 327 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:29,360 like that. 328 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: I told you, we argued, But I didn't kill Murray. 329 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,840 I couldn't do a thing like that. 330 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 10: Mister Robertson. 331 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:38,399 Speaker 8: We've made a preliminary investigation of your apartment. 332 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:40,919 Speaker 6: You say your wife killed herself. Let me show you 333 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,559 some of the flaws in your story here. 334 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: All I can say is what I've told you is 335 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:45,759 the truth. I didn't kill her. 336 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:47,519 Speaker 6: Now, you told us that your wife went to the 337 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,879 night standing and got the gun. 338 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: That's right. How did she pick up the automatic? What 339 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:52,639 do you mean? 340 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,639 Speaker 9: Well, how'd she take it from the drawer like anyone 341 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:57,559 would pick up a gun by the butt? 342 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: She picked it up like anybody would. It was going 343 00:15:59,919 --> 00:16:02,799 to you did, and you're sure about that? Positive? 344 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,759 Speaker 10: She didn't touch anything but the butt. 345 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:08,159 Speaker 3: Well, she had part of her hand on the trigger. 346 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:09,519 Speaker 8: We know that, But she didn't touch any other part 347 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:10,039 of the weapon. 348 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,519 Speaker 3: She did not. You didn't have time we then, how 349 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:13,480 do you account. 350 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,799 Speaker 8: For the fact that we found traces of flower on 351 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,679 the barrel of the gun? 352 00:16:16,039 --> 00:16:18,399 Speaker 3: Oh sure she was flowering me? Well, how'd the flower 353 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,159 get on the barrel? I don't know. Well. 354 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,919 Speaker 6: Wasn't it true that when you approached her where the 355 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:25,919 automatic pointed at her, she tried to ward off the shot. 356 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:28,159 Speaker 3: With her hand. Isn't that how the flower got on 357 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:29,559 that barrel? That isn't true. 358 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 8: Now you said your wife was putting flour on some steaks. 359 00:16:32,879 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: That's right. How do you account for the fact. 360 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 8: That we didn't find any flower on the butt of 361 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,240 the gun we'd belonged, or on the drawer of the 362 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,840 knight stand where you say she first picked up the automatic. 363 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:45,279 Speaker 3: I can't answer that. I don't know what all this means. 364 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,519 Speaker 6: It means that unless you've got some kind of explanation, 365 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,399 we have to assume that you're lying that you killed 366 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:49,840 your wife. 367 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: I don't know how to explain all these things, but 368 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:53,559 I didn't kill her. 369 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 8: Mister Robertson, you say you were an army man. Isn't 370 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,519 that what you told us how to your apartment? 371 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: Yes, I was a sergeant than the army during the 372 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:03,519 last war. What outfit were you in? I was an 373 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:06,759 instructor in side arm weapons or sat an Army air base. 374 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 8: Then you'd be somewhat of an authority on the Colt 375 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:10,680 forty five caliber automatic pistol, wasn't it. 376 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:13,559 Speaker 3: I guess I would. Yeah, that was one of the 377 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,119 weapons I instructed. 378 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 8: In you'd know all about the system of ejection employed 379 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,720 by the coke coming on there forty five. 380 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,519 Speaker 3: Automatic, Yes, I would. The empty casing ejects to the right, 381 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,799 up and back. Is that correct? Yes? Right. 382 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,079 Speaker 8: In other words, if you were pointing a forty five 383 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:29,920 at me and you pulled the trigger, the empty casing 384 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,119 would eject to your right up and fall on the 385 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,839 floor to the rear on your right side. 386 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 3: A right, Yeah, that's what it would end up. 387 00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 8: You still maintained that your wife shot herself, Yes, I do. 388 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,359 Where was she standing when she. 389 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,279 Speaker 3: Pulled the trigger? Because I told her before? In the kitchen? 390 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:48,480 How was she standing? What do you mean? 391 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:53,599 Speaker 9: Which way was she facing? Let's see, facing me? That's 392 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,440 right in the kitchen, with her back to the sink, 393 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,519 facing out toward me. And where were you on the 394 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:00,440 devenport in the living room facing huh? 395 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: No? 396 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 8: Bearing in mind what we've already discussed and agreed upon 397 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,359 concerning the ejection system of forty five, how do you 398 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,599 account for the fact that the empty casing was found 399 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,240 in the living room six feet and four inches from 400 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:12,799 the kitchen. 401 00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:15,519 Speaker 3: Let's see, I'll figure it for you. 402 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 8: The empty casing should have been fun on the floor 403 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,400 of the kitchen, somewhere to the right and rear of 404 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:20,880 your wife. 405 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: Isn't that about him? 406 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 9: I don't understand. Why are you trying to prove me guilty. 407 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,000 I've told you, and I swear to you, I didn't 408 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:28,759 kill my wife. 409 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 6: Well, it'd be a physical impossibility for that emptication to 410 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,559 have landed anywhere but in the kitchen. If your wife 411 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,720 had pulled the trigger that automatic, how about that? 412 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,319 Speaker 3: What can I say? Please believe what I'm telling you. 413 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 8: I didn't do it, not according to the evidence. 414 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:45,319 Speaker 3: I don't understand any of this. 415 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 8: Well, here's the way we've got it reconstructed. You had 416 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,160 a quarrel, you got the gun. You met your wife 417 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,359 at the doorway to the kitchen. 418 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: You pointed the gun at her. 419 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,079 Speaker 6: She tried to ward it off with her left hand, 420 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,920 leaving flower on the barrel of the gun. You fired, 421 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:02,440 and the casing was thrown up and back to the right, 422 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:04,480 where it landed on the rug of the living room. 423 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 8: The testimony of the neighbors, the flower on your wife's hand, 424 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:10,839 the position of the empty case, Robertson your. 425 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,279 Speaker 3: D I don't know why all these things are the 426 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:14,279 way you say they are. 427 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 8: We do. 428 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,799 Speaker 10: We don't believe your wife committed suicide. 429 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:27,039 Speaker 3: You think about it? Come on, Ben, Yeah, Well what. 430 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 6: Do you think evidence we've got so far has got 431 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,599 him ten Yeah? With all that proof, he still refuses 432 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,799 to cop out something doesn't jad. 433 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 3: Maybe we can find out why. 434 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 4: You are listening to drag net. 435 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,559 Speaker 6: We had Gene Bechtel take Andrew Robertson's statement. We had 436 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:03,559 his testimony that his wife had committed suicide, a fact 437 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:06,359 that he couldn't prove and that we could disprove. We 438 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:10,480 had before us the final investigation, All evidence was taken 439 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:13,279 to the crime lab for analysis, but photographs taken at 440 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:16,319 the scene were developed and brought in for careful checking in. 441 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,799 Speaker 10: Accordance with Robertson's story. 442 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:20,799 Speaker 6: Both he and his deceased wife were given paraffine tests 443 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,720 to determine the presence of night trates. Both of them 444 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,440 were finger printed and latent Prince Details started to check 445 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,039 them out. Two teams of men were sent out to 446 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:32,319 talk with the close relatives of the two people. Sunday, 447 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,519 March ninth, seven p m. We got a call from 448 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:37,559 Lieutenant Lee Jones that he had the final results of 449 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,359 his investigation. 450 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,519 Speaker 3: We went over to the second floor of the Central 451 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:41,839 Station Crime Lab. 452 00:20:43,839 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 8: Got a couple of things for you. Okay, how'd you 453 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:47,440 make out with Robertson? 454 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 10: Well, he insisted it was suicide. What's your idea on it? 455 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 8: And let me show you what we've got all right? Yeah, 456 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:54,759 look at this. 457 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 3: I'm picture of the forty five casing. 458 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,319 Speaker 8: That's why I take a close look at it right 459 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,119 here in particular. Yeah, you notice this one edge is 460 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,200 a little crimped here. 461 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,759 Speaker 3: Ejector marks. 462 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 8: No, here are your ejector marks up here? See this 463 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,799 crimping is something entirely different. 464 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: What is it? 465 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 8: You remember where you found this case? Six feet four 466 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,160 inches into the living room, That's right, And we wondered 467 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,200 how it could have been thrown that far by the ejector. 468 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,680 If the husband's story is true, the ejector didn't do that. 469 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,319 I wanted too. On close inspection, I noticed this crimping. 470 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,319 Let me show you how this casing got out there 471 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,480 in the living room. Here's an identical forty five caliber 472 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:38,559 called empty casey. 473 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 11: Yeah, well, place it here on the floor on a 474 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,319 piece of carpeting. The same thickness that was in their kitchen. LINOLEA, 475 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,720 I'll watch this, I'll step on it, hitting it from 476 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:54,720 an angle. There's your answer to that. When the husband 477 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:57,839 ran over to his wife's side, but he say he did. 478 00:21:57,839 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: He answer about the size of it. 479 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 8: He stepped on the case, seeing accidentally and certainly not 480 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:04,799 caring about it at that moment, bounced out in the 481 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,920 living room just like a tiddley wing had. Notice the 482 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:15,319 casing now the crimping. Check it against the photo. Yeah, 483 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,720 looks exactly the same way it matches. Then the flower 484 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:23,079 and the barrel of the gun. It was flower, by 485 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,599 the way, Did it figure in for your colored Well. 486 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, we figured the wife was trying to ward off 487 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:28,000 the gun. 488 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,839 Speaker 3: When he pointed it at it. 489 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 8: Certainly in the logical deduction. Let me show you how 490 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,359 it really got on there hands. 491 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 3: That shot of the. 492 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 8: Kitchen out there, Notice the waste basket here, pretty full. 493 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:41,559 Speaker 3: Isn't it. 494 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, we noticed that when we're out there. What you 495 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:48,319 probably didn't know this is their Here's a blow up 496 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,720 of just that section where the waste basket was. Can 497 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,680 you see what's on the top of the stuff in 498 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:54,480 the basket pack? 499 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? Hold over here a little might soon. Yeah, it 500 00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:59,920 looks like a flower sack. 501 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 8: That's find an empty flower sack. Now figuring the position 502 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,200 of the body in relation to that wastebasket. When she dropped, 503 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,920 the gun fell from her hand, striking the wastebasket, bouncing 504 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,000 off and landing on the floor where you found it. 505 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,759 Speaker 3: And you said when she dropped the gun you figured 506 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:16,480 it was suicide. 507 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,279 Speaker 8: It's beginning to shape up that way. 508 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:20,599 Speaker 3: There was no flower found on the butt of the gun. 509 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,559 Speaker 8: That part of the automatic didn't come in contact. 510 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 4: With the flower sack. 511 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, at least she was flowering meat. 512 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,519 Speaker 11: There were no traces of it on her right hand, 513 00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:32,559 on the palm, just on the back and checking the clothing, 514 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,960 we found streaks of flour where she could have wiped 515 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,039 her hands clean before picking up the gun. 516 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, and out there we could only see the backs 517 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,799 of her hand the corner checked that through. 518 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 10: What doesn't look like a killer. 519 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:47,839 Speaker 8: And there's more here. As you know, we ran paraffin 520 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,960 tests on both the victim and Robinson. Yeah, here's the 521 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:56,319 results of the test. See Andrew robertson no nitrates negative, 522 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:00,240 Marie robertson evidence of nitrates positive. She fired a gun, 523 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:04,440 he didn't and that's it. There's something else. Here's the 524 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:09,279 report from Layton Prince smudgers one good thumbprint right hand 525 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:13,359 belonging to Marie Robertson, indicating she was the last one 526 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,240 to handle the weapon. 527 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:15,759 Speaker 3: Well, that's about edla. 528 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 8: No, that's more fare. 529 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 11: Now, this shot was taken facing the east wall of 530 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,319 the kitchen. That's the wall that would be on anyone's 531 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,759 left sitting on the davenport in the front room. Wouldn't 532 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,839 be possible to see that wall from the davenport, wouldn't 533 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:34,240 that right? You can see the white X where we 534 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,319 located the slut relative to the position of the body. 535 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,319 If she was standing holding the gun at approximately a 536 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,359 right angle with the side of her head, the bullet 537 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,559 would come to rest approximately four inches below the. 538 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:49,319 Speaker 8: Crown of her head. 539 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 11: Does a check out the corner says she was five 540 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,039 to four. The bullet was found at a height of 541 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,000 five and one eighth proving that she shot herself rather 542 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:02,640 than anyone else do judging from the inclination of the bullet, 543 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:05,119 as you know, this is critical. 544 00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, from what it's worth. 545 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,559 Speaker 11: The condition of the wound indicates that it was inflicted 546 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,160 from extreme close range fair point when you consider that 547 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,240 most people wouldn't submit to being shot from close range 548 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,960 without a struggle or unless taken by surprise. 549 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 8: And from all reports we know she wasn't taking nice spend. Yeah, 550 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,640 that's a fella, that's all I have, thanksfully, it's sure enough. 551 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:34,599 Crime lab Jones. Yeah right here, just a minute, read 552 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,000 the one of you. 553 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:35,839 Speaker 3: Rightly, I'll get it. 554 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 4: Thank ridy. 555 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: Oh hi, Harry, he did have what's that? Yeah? Do 556 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:55,480 you have a letter with you? Yeah? Yeah, right Harry, 557 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,119 Thank you very much. 558 00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,559 Speaker 10: Bye, Harry Freemant just left. Marie Robe person's mother. 559 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: What do you have to say? Well, three much? Say 560 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:04,960 she gave him a letter. He's on his way in 561 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:05,400 with it now. 562 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 6: Was written by Marie Robertson says something about taking her 563 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,920 own life. Her mother says that the husband couldn't have 564 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,400 done it, says the daughter's shown indication in the past 565 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,119 of wanting. 566 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: To take her own life, right, not about sayings. 567 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 11: It makes a few kind of grow a dozen. Yeah, 568 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,519 find a man clear a charge instead of having to 569 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,880 hang him up. Come on, Ben, right, well you head 570 00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:25,759 back cross the street where till I get my coat. 571 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:26,279 Speaker 4: I'll go with you. 572 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 8: What for I want to say? Him too. 573 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 4: When you're talent, the story you've just heard. 574 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,839 Speaker 2: Was true, only the names were changed to protect the innocent. 575 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 5: On March twelfth, the hearing was held in the office 576 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,960 of the Coroner, City and County of Los Angeles, State 577 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,400 of California. In a moment the results of that hearing, 578 00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:02,119 Andrew William Robertson was immediate released from custody. A five 579 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,079 to ten form was made out exonerating him from any 580 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,319 complicity in the death. 581 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: Of his wife. Ladies and gentlemen. Mister James M. 582 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 2: Fox, President of the Southern California Chapter of the Mystery 583 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,240 Writers of America. 584 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 14: The Edgar Allan Poe Awards of the Mystery Writers of 585 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,599 America are made each year for outstanding contributions in the 586 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,440 field of mystery. This year, by a nationwide vote of 587 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:28,680 three hundred professional mystery writers, the Radio Award goes to 588 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,240 Dragnet for consistent excellence in the use of the medium 589 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,640 in the best traditions of our craft. The Mystery Writers 590 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,839 of America are happy to present their Edgars statuettes of 591 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,440 Poe to Dragnet's Jim Moser, who writes the scripts, and 592 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,759 a duplicate statuette to Dragnet. Congratulations, mister Moser, Thank you, 593 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,359 mister Fox. 594 00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 5: You have just heard dragnet s authentic cases from official payofs. 595 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,880 Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, 596 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,599 Los Angeles Police Department. 597 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 15: Stay tuned for convers by Next over many NBC stations, 598 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:24,799 Welcome back to me. 599 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: This episode has always been one that highlighted our hero's 600 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:34,359 humanity and the fallibility of police officers. It's a case 601 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,079 where Joe Friday and men Ri Merrow got ahead of 602 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,599 the actual evidence and a appropriate interpretation of it in 603 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,680 a haste to close what looked like an open and 604 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:49,480 shut case, probably influenced by so many cases where people 605 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,000 lied to them and so many instances where the husband 606 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,480 did it. Even the narrator was in on it, saying 607 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,680 the facts indicated that a murder had been That was 608 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,519 a bit off. They didn't really understand the facts or 609 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,240 wait for them to be analyzed, or wait for all 610 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:11,359 the facts. In the case of the testimony of the 611 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,039 mother in law, I mean Friday used a word like 612 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,799 impossible for where the shellcasing ended up that a lot 613 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,279 of people could have supposed and come up with a 614 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,119 plausible explanation, which of course wouldn't have been evidence. But 615 00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,920 it's hard to say, ah, that's impossible. Of Course, trained 616 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,359 police officers have experience and they can read a scene, 617 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:40,960 and they also have instinct that has been honed by 618 00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,799 that experience, but that's not a substitute for the work 619 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,079 of the forensic scientists, and this episode brought that point home. 620 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,480 And Herb Butterfield, I think, you know, we hear him 621 00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,559 play a lot of roles in this series, but he 622 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,920 is really good as Lee Jones in professionally bringing home 623 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:04,480 the evidence and explaining the science and showing what really 624 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:10,160 happened and how the inconsistencies they saw were explained. To 625 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:13,480 be fair, some of their analysis may have been thrown 626 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:16,880 off by the oddities of the space. It occurred in 627 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,079 a small apartment where movement was probably a challenge, but 628 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,680 Jones gets to the bottom of it. And I like 629 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,960 when Ben got to the point of saying, Okay, I 630 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,400 guess I guess you proved we were wrong, and Lisa said, effectively, 631 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,880 wait here are some more reasons you were wrong. Of course, 632 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,079 in a professional setting it should never be about ego, 633 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,599 and certainly not when it comes to law enforcement. It 634 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,160 should be about getting it right and being sure that 635 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,279 justice is done, and they pretty much are with him 636 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,119 and being glad the truth came out, even if it 637 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:51,400 showed that they made a mistake. I have a comment 638 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:56,519 from Daniel who emails in and said, and this is 639 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,720 regarding The Big Saint. I started playing this week's episode 640 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,400 of Ragnet The Big Saint and was surprised that it 641 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:07,039 was the same basic plot as an Ironside TV episode 642 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:11,240 I'd watched only a few hours earlier. Season one episode twelve, 643 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,279 a very cool howked car updated a bed sixties versus fifties, 644 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,759 but it was even a Cadillac that was used to 645 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,759 catch them. Of course, Ironside took more liberties with the drama, 646 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,359 but it was clearly as inspired by Dragnet or the 647 00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:32,400 actual events that Dragnet was based on. Well, Daniel, thank 648 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,400 you so much for letting me know, and I will 649 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:40,079 try to get to watch that episode of Ironside. Unfortunately, 650 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,200 all of my extra TV viewing at this point is 651 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,720 taken up by Get Smart. I'm trying to announce the 652 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,200 newsletter kind of got pushed back because of events in 653 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,960 the family, but we are trying to get that first 654 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,880 issue out and for that first issue, I'm watching all 655 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:03,480 of the episodes from season one of Get Smart. But 656 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,279 would you believe I only have two episodes left? Okay? 657 00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:14,160 Would you believe? Would you believe? Ten? Okay? How about twenty? 658 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,559 Not quite that many. But as soon as I give 659 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,920 some free extra TV watching time, I'll check that out. 660 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:28,680 And I am looking for more reasons to watch episodes 661 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,119 of Ironside and Kojak and all those good things that 662 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,039 have been posted over on Amazon Prime recently. And then 663 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,960 over on the side called X, Bernard writes, Hi, have 664 00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:45,759 you seen any copies of the new Dragnet TV series ever? 665 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:52,039 Plays Adam. This is the eighty nine to ninety version 666 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:57,000 fifty two TV episodes, and the answer is yes, I did. 667 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,160 I did not see it when it was originally on 668 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,319 the air. My dad was not someone who would let 669 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:10,599 nine or ten year old watch modern crime drama. And 670 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,319 I can appreciate that. One of the early forgotten TV 671 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:23,440 streaming services was called into TV. It was an AD 672 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:28,839 supported service that was started by Tom Warner and AOL 673 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,559 and it launched in two thousand and five. It came 674 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,960 out onto AOL in two thousand and six, but anyone 675 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:41,400 could watch it, and they had some TV shows on there, 676 00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:46,839 and at this point I believe that the original Dragnet 677 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:52,599 and Adam twelve were being licensed at least when I 678 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:57,759 watched them on Into TV, which I think really kind 679 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,640 of wound down towards the end of the two thousands, 680 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:06,200 but they were on either Hulu or Netflix one. So 681 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:11,199 Into TV got the rights to a lot of shows 682 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,360 that were a bit rarer and more off the beaten path, 683 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,920 and among them were The New Dragnet and the New 684 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,920 Adam twelve. And I watched quite a few episodes of 685 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,440 the New Dragnet, a few of the New Adam twelve, 686 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:33,800 and overall I actually enjoyed the New Dragnet. I don't 687 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,480 think it was great, but it was a pretty good series. 688 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,440 You had two pretty solid lead actors. You had Jeff 689 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:49,239 Austerhage as a sergeant Vic Daniels and Bernard White as 690 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,039 his partner Karl Molina. And the cases pretty much followed 691 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,199 Dragnet formula, and in terms of the crimes and the 692 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,119 way they portrayed the investigatation work very true to the original. 693 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,719 I enjoyed it, but I can see why it didn't 694 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:13,079 make it, and it had really two problems. 695 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 3: Going for it. 696 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,079 Speaker 1: It was too much like the original Dragnet, and it 697 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,199 was not enough like the original Dragnet. On one hand, 698 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,400 it was so much like Dragnet in terms of formula 699 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:35,159 and approached a case, and even being a half hour 700 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:41,440 in length. In many ways television had moved on in 701 00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:45,320 police shows. A half hour crime drama in the late 702 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,800 nineteen eighties was a bit unusual, I mean, and it 703 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,000 doesn't bother me because I love them, and I grew 704 00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,360 up on a lot of half hour traumas in the 705 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,760 eighties and early nineties, like Rin ten ten, Canine Kopp 706 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,360 or My Secret Identity or the super Boy series. I 707 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:12,800 have fond memories of chiefly made syndication, and so some 708 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,679 of the issues didn't in that regard didn't bother me. 709 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,320 On the other hand, you just have the lack of 710 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:26,239 Jack Webb, and I think that is huge for Dragnet. 711 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:31,039 You can't really overstate how important Jack Webb and Joe 712 00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,960 Friday are to the series as a whole. And again, 713 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,199 I think that the actors in there did a really 714 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,960 good job. That's part of the reason why I enjoyed 715 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,599 it a lot more than the New Adam twelve, where 716 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,440 the leads were a bit more spotty. Ohst Age had 717 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,360 a decent career in the seventies and eighties. He was 718 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,320 in the Sackets, among other things, and Bernard White is 719 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,360 still active. He was even in the Marvel Cinematic universe. 720 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,119 But one of them were Jack Webb, and they didn't 721 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:07,119 quite have that combination. They did make believable every man cops, 722 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,400 but neither one of them was Jack Webb, and the 723 00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:18,119 music they could not. They didn't get the iconic Dragnet music. 724 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,039 They went with more of a kind of a typical 725 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,599 jazzy eighties theme. And it's not bad, but it's kind 726 00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:28,800 of forgettable. But I liked it fine. It's just not 727 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:34,960 been legally available anywhere for at least the last fifteen 728 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:40,880 years plus. I did see someone posting an online forum 729 00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,960 that there are ways to get it illegally, and while 730 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,440 I enjoyed Knew Dragon, I could not imagine anyone taking 731 00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:57,480 the risk involved with getting illegal content to watch it. 732 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,559 There are some clips you can find on line, and 733 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,639 I think certainly the opening sequence. But yeah, it's a 734 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,519 series that got unfortunately memory hold. But it's worthwhile if 735 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,800 you're a big Dragnet fan and want more. Now, if 736 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,119 you want more of a nineteen eighties take on Dragnet 737 00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:22,679 that veers closer to the original, then I actually recommend Mathnet, 738 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,000 which has got pretty much all of its episodes have 739 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:32,280 been posted on YouTube. Was a PBS parody for the 740 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:38,760 kids program Square One that eventually practically devoured Square one TV. 741 00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,760 The theme music is very close to the original, although 742 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,239 it's a little bit different, and I think the humor 743 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,800 and the relationship between the two partners is a lot 744 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:57,480 closer to what you saw on television with Dragnet. Now, 745 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:03,119 I'm a bit biased towards Mathnet, because without Mathnet, I 746 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,760 probably wouldn't be doing this podcast. It was Mathnet which 747 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,239 got me interested in the nineteen sixties Dragnet TV series, 748 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,280 which got me interested in the nineteen fifties Dragnet TV series, 749 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,079 which got me interested in the radio series, which got 750 00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:26,760 me more broadly interested in old time radio in general. 751 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:30,000 But at any rate, thank you for the question, Bernard, 752 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:34,000 really appreciate it. Then we turned to the Apple podcast Or, 753 00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:40,159 where we have a new review from scholar Ace Records, 754 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:44,559 who writes a wide variety that changes semi regularly with 755 00:39:44,639 --> 00:39:47,199 a different show six days a week. There is a 756 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,880 show for anyone. There have been a few over the 757 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,760 years that I haven't connected with, but with six shows 758 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,320 a week, this is a trifle. I know some have 759 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,440 a problem with Adam's voice and or commentary, but this 760 00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,599 is not the best basis of the podcast. I want 761 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,119 to appreciate the historical contact and for those who don't, 762 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,800 there is a skip button and Adam always puts in 763 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,840 a small pause between his opening and the start of 764 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,159 the radio show. Again, if you like detective shows, this 765 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,719 is the best in the genre. Well, thanks so much. 766 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,920 I appreciate you taking the time to leave a review 767 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,880 and provide a bit of a counterbalance to the sort 768 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,239 of negative Some of the negative reviews that have been 769 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,679 left there which went don't rate out because we don't 770 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,440 want to dwell on non constructive negativity. And then we 771 00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:39,320 turn to our listener survey where Scott in Beaverton roots 772 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,119 thank you for a great show. Well, thanks so much, Scott. 773 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,400 And now it's time to think our Patreon supporter of 774 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,639 the day, and I want to go ahead and thank Idle, 775 00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,400 Patreon supporter since April twenty twenty one, currently supporting the 776 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,079 podcast at the rookie level of two dollars or more 777 00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,679 per month. Thanks so much for your support, and that 778 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,679 will do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, 779 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,199 please follow us using your favorite podcast software. And if 780 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,480 you're enjoying the podcast on YouTube, be sure to lock 781 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,960 the video, subscribe to the channel, and mark the notification bell. 782 00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,079 And now to the part I'm having to re record 783 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:21,360 because I was so used to Dragnet being on Saturday 784 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:25,119 and being the end of our programming week. But we 785 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,159 will be back next Thursday with another episode of Dragnet. 786 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,679 But join us back here tomorrow for yours truly, Johnny Dollar. 787 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 16: Where Look well, I already told the cops that Claire 788 00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:41,920 was here in the club last evening, all evening until midnight, 789 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:43,880 out in the barn most of the time. 790 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 10: What difference does it make? 791 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,639 Speaker 14: How about the rest of the time we were talking 792 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,800 here in my office. 793 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 3: Just the tool, just the tool of us. 794 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 14: And now, look, dal Like, what it boils down. 795 00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 16: To is you've each got alibis from one another. 796 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,519 Speaker 4: Huh that's right. 797 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 8: Look, nosey boy, Claire didn't kill At. 798 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 16: The moment, I wasn't thinking so much about her. Wait 799 00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:06,840 a minute, if you're trying to pin this on me, 800 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,000 you and Claire have been pretty friendly, Santas. She benefits 801 00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,320 to the tune of one hundred grand by Benton's death. 802 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 8: Look dallat you blowing smoke in the wrong direction. 803 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 10: I like the arrangement the way it was. 804 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 3: Why should I try to change it? That's a good question, 805 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,079 So just let it drop. 806 00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 14: You getting me, you've got nothing to worry about, Santus. 807 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,039 Speaker 3: If you've got nothing top I hope. 808 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: You'll be with us then in the maintime. Send your 809 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,719 comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot neit, follow us 810 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:44,360 on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, 811 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:49,639 dot com, slash Great Detectives from Boise Ataho. This is 812 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,239 your host, Adam Graham. Sign and off.