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Speaker 2: It's time to talk some college basketball on Cougar Sports

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some bou basketball to celebrate the win over the University

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of Utah and more. Here on your UTI ESPN Radio Network.

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Speaker 3: Let's get out to the hotline.

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Speaker 2: Welcome and former BYU great ballers shot collar. We got JT.

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Jonathan Tabnari on the line. JT for three. How the

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heck are you, buddy?

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Speaker 1: You know I was driving back from Phoenix. I was

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in Phoenix this weekend for a sashion of the Adida

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circuit for my boy. And as I drove back through

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flag Staff and Page and actually drove through Bryce Canyon,

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you didn't stop at I stopped at Ruby In and

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I said, hey, I need to see the manager. Do

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you know Ben Critter? And he said Ben who? And

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I said Ben Crittle? Yes, the end, d Yu. He said,

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I don't know who Ben Crittle is, but I know

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who Jonathan Tabernari is.

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Speaker 3: Who was this man? Who was this manager you speak of?

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What is his name? I need to go reintroduce myself.

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Speaker 1: Half of that story is true. I'm gonna leave. I'm

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gonna let you decide which part has not. Ben.

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Speaker 3: Did you really stop by Rubies though? Did you stop

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by Bryce?

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Speaker 1: I did drive by Bryce, but I did not stop

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at Ruby's.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well, dude, you gotta let me know

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when you when you want.

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Speaker 3: To head down there with the fam. We'll get you

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hooked up. You know, we'll take care of you. JT.

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Speaker 1: I will say. I will say this, Ben, I needed

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to go to Phoenix. That is true. We were there

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for the Adida Circuit. Were actually the number one team

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in the country, India Adida Circus. Right now, we're sixteen

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and one and absolutely killing in the seventh grade division.

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But it was the first time in my life, Bend.

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I actually drove through at Beaver. We turned left and

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we went through Peguige and Mary View, Order View and

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page flag Staff, and I felt like I was at

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Disneyland at cars Land Bend because that wasn't Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Ben and Bright Canyon. I mean, honestly, Ben, you know,

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Kirie and I were talking about to be able to

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get out and go over there and hikes and you know,

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outdoors fun stuff, and obviously knowing that we have a

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connection down there with BUYU at Ruby's in and so

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what a beautiful place, and definitely excited to get out

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. You bring up a really good point.

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Speaker 2: I always say, don't go to the mouse head on,

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head on down to Bryce Canyonnational Park. If you love

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cars World, if you love Big Thunder Mountain. That's the

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inspiration from whence it came. That's Bryce Canyon at Disneyland.

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All they did, oh Disneyland is just copy the Wonders

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of the Earth and bring them all and remake them

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there at Disneyland.

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Speaker 3: So check out Bryce Canyon. It's the real deal.

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Speaker 2: J T. Speaking of real deal, the BYU basketball team

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gets there, gets themselves a nice victory at the Huntsman

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they moved to what fifteen and one. How big of

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a win was that for the BA Cougar basketball team.

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Speaker 1: You know, I gotta tell you, I think it was

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a solid win. You know, in this day and age

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where people are putting way too much emphasis on style,

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points and pointing for rainshow and points spread, I just

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don't get it, Ben, you know, like I truly don't

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get it. Now. I get the spread, and I get

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covering over and under.

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Speaker 4: But like I you know, in the media, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, like YU was dalk two spots and the

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top twenty five, they fell to eleven after a win.

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How does that make sense? You know what I mean?

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did what they were supposed to do. They went into

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an environment that you know, can we just for a second, man,

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forget about the rivalry when the huntsmen's center expect the

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way that it was. It's a top twenty five venue

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in college basketball. And but that's the problem, right, it

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never happens like that. That's a different conversation, a different argument.

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But like that was a tough place to play. I

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don't care about Utah and if they're good or bad,

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that's a rivalry game. And so Byu did what he

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BYU blew next year, and uh, you know, like it

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was just a great game. And you know, Richie Thing

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rebound and aid offensive rebounds, Robert Wright sealed the doo,

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Aj did his thing. Keba was a monster, you know,

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and rebounds and so so it was a great win

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Speaker 2: It hasn't happened all that often recently. BYU has struggled

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to get wins at the Huntsman Center.

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Speaker 3: Why use that?

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Speaker 2: Why is it that Utah plays their best game versus

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b WHYU there there at Hudson Center the best game

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Speaker 1: It seems, well, so one is the rivalry game right,

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just look sad, and you know, like I just I

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truly feel this, Ben, And I have a question for you,

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because you've been covering the rivalry a little bit more

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closely than I can, regardless if it's basketball or football.

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a dig at Utah or a Utah and their fence.

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non BYU games you can hear a needle drop at Huntsman.

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Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be some truth to that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think certain segments of any fan base right are

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gonna hate certain UH individuals from the the opposing fan

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base right.

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Speaker 1: For you then becomes why is it that ninety nine

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percent of BYU games are seventy five eighty percent plus

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sold dow or not so dow a capacity. Let's put

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that way. Seventy five eighty percent are a capacity and

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at the Huntsman Center, ninety five percent of their games

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are at fifteen percent think opacity? Why is that? Man?

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Speaker 2: I mean that's something probably university, the University of Utah

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the Majeris era like that thing was sold out and

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they were winning, and and and a winner is going

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to attract fans, right, we want to go to games

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in which our teams are.

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Speaker 3: Winning, uh and and and.

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Speaker 2: Look, Utah football attracts a lot of fans. They actually

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have fans up there and they they sell out for football,

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why aren't they selling out for basketball? Uh, it's unfortunate

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that that that's that's where they're at right now. And

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when they do show up, it's because b YU is

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coming to town and it's their biggest game of the season.

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Speaker 3: That's what we know.

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Speaker 1: And then so you know, like I look at that

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and you know, like it was just it was a

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great atmosphere watching on TV. I had, you know, a

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couple of TVs turned on watching again game. It was electric.

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and a lot of all their friends that were at

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the game, they were ecstatic to be there. And so,

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you know, I just don't understand why that fan base,

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that community, they just don't buy into what what the

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you know, the BUYU program is selling and uh, you know,

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credit credit to Alex Jensen Trore having their boys ready

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to go. Some of their players looked really good. Chance

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Brown clearly heading shoulders above everybody else. You know, I

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forgot his first name, but Dawes who was related to

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Derek Dawes that played the bu yudas you know, definitely

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good the lefty shooter and the other shooter were good,

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you know, so like it was a great competitive and

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fun game, and you know it was created for a

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great al was here and uh, you know BYU is

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two and one conference, which is a huge thing to do.

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Speaker 2: THEA is fifteen and one. They are one of I

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think only a few. They may be the only team

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that has five quad one wins. They're only lost to

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Yukon on a neutral court, and they have two quad

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two wins. They are trending in the right direction. What

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has been the best win of the season and why

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Speaker 1: So, I'm probably gonna say Wisconsin, right because that was

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a top twenty five team at the time the YU

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played them by you beat them by thirty weave, I

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think that they were up like thirty two or thirty

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three at the time. You weren't. That game sounds about right,

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and so like just a completely smack against them, and

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and that team actually went to Michigan number one or

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number two Michigan and actually won over the weekend. Yep,

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So like a massive win right now for Buyu obviously

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playing at the Garden against Clemson. Uh that was just

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a highlight win, you know, kind of like a cherry

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on the top. But at this point, Ben, you know,

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like every win in the Big twelve is just important.

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You know, like they got they got big games this

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week coming up, right, do you you? They? On Wednesday

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they play at home and uh, you know, with a

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great matchup against TCU against he was eleven and five

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coached by a guy the recruiting in high school, Jamie Dixon,

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and uh, they had a couple of sweet sixteen runs

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over there, and uh, you know, uh and the Tulsen's

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boy Canner plays for TCU. Now he's also getting a

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nice bag of nil money. And so it's just, you know,

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winning in the Big twelve is hard. Winning on the

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Big twelve on the road is hard. Having a winning

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streak in the Big twelve is even more difficult. And

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BYU has a great opportunity, you know, winning winning on

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Wednesday to then go to Lubbock on Saturday for an

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incredible matchup with Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: JT for three Jonathan Tavnari talking BLAU basketball here on

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Speaker 3: If Wisconsin's the best win, where.

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Speaker 2: Would Utah be ranked? I mean, it's still I know

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it's a quad to win, but it's your rival. If

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you lose that game, is it a big deal? You

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Speaker 1: I'll probably say that the Utah win right now. You know,

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I'm going over this catcher right now, and I probably

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put that win. You know, it's definitely better than Holy Cross,

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that win up there right now. As they go through.

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Speaker 4: Conference and you know, they have to be the good.

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Speaker 1: CCU game to play.

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Speaker 4: Then they play at Kansas, who's.

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Speaker 1: Not ranked anymore, you know, and then in February they

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play Baylor. Colorado is off to a great start. UCF

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is a solid team this year, and so you know,

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is that going to be a top five win for

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b Are you? Absolutely not? Right? But I would dare

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the regular season, before postseason starts. I would say that

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aside from the top twenty five wins wins, and you know,

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that win will probably be, you know, the buy sixth

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or seventh best win of the season.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Devon r Alright, let's talk a little bit about

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the Utah game. The Todd King was balling rob right,

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the third kind of took over things in the at

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the end of the game. Obviously, aj gets a ninth

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i think ninth consecutive twenty point game.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the best scorers.

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Speaker 2: In UH in college basketball, and he may end up becoming,

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at least from a single season standpoint, the best scorer

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all time in b YU basketball history.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see how that plays out.

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Speaker 2: But what stood out to you about the Utah win,

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specifically from the BAU.

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Speaker 1: Side, Well, so, you know, I think let's start with

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the with the with the break three.

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Speaker 4: Let me give a little bit of credit to my buddy.

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Speaker 1: Jerem Jordan and Jackson Payne. Break three is really good.

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I voted for the three knee fights. My wife suggested

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the three kings. The trimple combination is also really good.

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The by you know, the b YU Trinity is up

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there as well, and uh, you know, we got we

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got some we got some bangers over here, right, and

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so but you know, the brig the Brig three, Robert

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in the second. Six of his eight points came down

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to clutch in the last four or five minutes of

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the game. I thought he was surgical, right, Richie, just

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the heart of a lion and being able to fight

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and keep fighting and end his career with a win

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at Utah aj living up the moment and then throwing

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the you down, you know already become he's already a

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fan saver. And then you know he is definitely, uh,

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he is definitely one of those guys that live in

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a moment, and throwing the you down as he goes

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to the tunnel just becomes an instant classic. Outside of

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the break three, I would say, Keva and the pullback

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dunk right reminisce a little bit of Joie Child's fast

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from TJ. Haws. And then you know, impressed with how

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Cunard played defense, very very impressed without am ed Adua

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Amed Beatle is coming along fast, and so you look

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at that. It makes exciting for what they have. Still

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wish Mahilo was better at shooting. Still wish he was

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more aggressive looking to shoot. Same thing with you know

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all I say probably is the biggest disappointment aside from

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the injuries, right, A lot of us expected out of him.

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Tyler Maruss remains an incognito for me, right, I mean,

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I feel like he's passing up a lot of shots

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and uh where I totally believe the b YU team,

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the BYU coaching staff. Definitely I would appreciate for him

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to be a little bit more aggressive. And so to me,

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that's the one thing that's missing on this team. It's

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a foe man that can spread the floor, right, and

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we've had some great ones at b YU. Michael Smith

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probably the ultimate you know, spread the floor in terms

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of being able to be aggressive. But he was such

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up your scorer that he might have conflict with the

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big three in terms of getting touches. Right, someone kind

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of like me, kind of like Noah Hartsock that's very

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defensive minded. You know, had uh Steven Rogers that came

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after my senior year. He had been a little bit

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you know, more healthy and and a better shooter. You know,

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someone like Zach Sallya's that would be like perfect for this,

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you know, for for this, and so to me that's

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what that's what this team is missing, but an incredible

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team effort.

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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, the missing pieces.

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Speaker 2: Can we develop those pieces even though they haven't shown

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up just yet?

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Speaker 1: Sorry? Ben, that cut off? Can you repeat the question?

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Speaker 2: Can you meant you mentioned the missing pieces right now?

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Can b why you developed those pieces with the that.

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Speaker 1: They have no? No, no, what you see is what

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you get at disappointing time. We just need to hope

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that you know, the Big three stays healthy and uh

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you know that also Keba stays healthy, Abdula stays healthy,

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and that those other guys can come in and just

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give you know, I think that in all honesty, if

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you know, on a basketball game, you have about two

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hundred minutes every game, right, each player can play, each

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player can play forty minutes. You have five players, that's

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two hundred minutes. I would say that, you know the break,

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the Big.

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Speaker 4: Three would play one hundred minutes.

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Speaker 1: And you would hope that non Big three minutes would

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if they could somehow be under one hundred every game,

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you know, between ninety if by a miracle of heaven,

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they could be under ninety to preserve them, that would

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be incredible. But if that's not possible, I would probably say,

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you know, keeping those minutes at you know, between ninety

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and one hundred would be perfect. And then also if

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you could make that the non big three points, that's

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a big one, non big three points would be above

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above thirty every game. If it could be thirty five,

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then you could see that. Okay, something is brewing here.

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But the way this team, the way this team is

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built right now, there's not a whole lot of production

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coming from you know, anybody not named AJ and Rob

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and Richie, you know, and I would say Kaba too,

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but not not much coming from anybody else at this point.

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Speaker 2: Obviously the Big three they've they've definitely produced a lot

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of points and you need them to stay healthy. I

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have a question from a listener here. He said, did

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JT just infer that he was defensive minded? I think

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many think that JT was all about the three point

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shot in offensive production.

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Speaker 3: What would you say to that question?

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Speaker 1: Go look at defensive wind shares and who is top

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five and BYU.

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Speaker 3: History boom the data.

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Speaker 1: So hey, men, lie, women lie. Numbers don't lie. And

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so what I can tell you is when he comes

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to defensive wind shares, you know, like I don't remember

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if I was like four or fifth, but I'm definitely

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in the top five. I know that because I was

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talking to Chris Miles and Kyle Collinsworth the other day

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and we were we were talking about exactly this, and

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it was like, you know, all of the all of

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the records and good team, and I remember, now we'll

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spark this. John Rothstein said, twelve win streak is the

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longest in program history. John, you need to go read

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a book or google the internet because the eighty seven

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eighty eighteen got off to a seventeen and oh star

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my senior year, we got fifteen straight wins when I

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volunteered to come up the bench and became the first

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six minute the year in program history. And so yeah,

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so like it's you know, go look it up. I'm

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not making it up. I am one of the best,

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one of the best defenders in BYU history when he

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comes to winds Share. So so talking about.

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Speaker 2: Jat bringing the data, bringing the numbers. Stats, don't lie,

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Jonathan Tabnaari, ladies and gentlemen always breaking it down. Nobody

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does it better up some breaking news here on the

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recruiting front for football real quick if I may, And

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this is this is big for Michigan fans, not so

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big for Utah fans. This one hurts as Ron or

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excuse me, as Brandon Gurney says, shot.

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Speaker 3: Through the heart.

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Speaker 2: Celessie Moa, a four star wide receiver, has entered the

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transfer portal from the University of Utah, so he could

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be ending up at Michigan with his brother Ice.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how it plays out. Yes, indeed does it?

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Speaker 2: Does it feel good to see Utah's football players, you know,

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de commit enter the portal and and go elsewhere?

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Speaker 3: JT Are you petty like that?

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Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you I'm not petty like that.

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I am patty when after games they come in and

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start attacking me. I mean, Ben, if you look at

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my Twitter, my ex timeline, I was nothing but complimentary

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about their team, about the arena, about their fans, doing

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a game until some dude comes to me and says, Oh,

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you don't know you're talking about And at that point

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I'm like, I'm being positive, Like I like that fifty

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cent meme, like what you're met at me for like

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I'm being complimentary and you said that, and at that

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point I'm like, listen, my guy, let me, let me

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put you on your place. And at that point I

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become patty. But you know, like I you know, like

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I don't care like you know, Utah, I'm such a

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lover of the state of Utah. The state of Utah,

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I means so much to me. I'm a firm believer

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that I want Utah basketball to be good because that

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elevates the elevates the visibility in the entire state. And

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so like when Utah football is really good and BYU

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football is really good, that's great for the state. Every

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single time that Utah is good, they show shots of

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simple square. It's a great missionary tool. And so like,

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I'm not petty unless someone pokes me the wrong way,

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and then I don't have a filter and I don't

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know when to stop. It's kind of like my wife

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makes the perfect example. Sometimes I get really mad at

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my kids right because they did something wrong, and she

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relates this to a little fender bender, and I go

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above and beyond, and instead of just leaving a defender bender,

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I pull out a baseball bat and I go like

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the little you know in between fights mode on Street

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Fight Street Fighter and I just destroyed a card you

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remember that? And then yeah, like that's what I do,

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like I and so I don't know when to stop.

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And so if you poke me and I'm like okay,

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sounds like I has to put you back on your place.

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And that's when I go nuts.

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Speaker 2: My guy, Jonathan Tavanaar Ladies and gentlemen, JG. I always

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appreciate our time. Brother, thanks for hopping on for a

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