Speaker 1: Welcome to Jeffjeffson Sorry Adventure, the world's most extreme anime podcast.
Speaker 1: To my left, Mountain of a man's tall more.
Speaker 2: Hello, Uh, that was intense.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the tone of the entire podcast for more.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to my right. She is seventy
Speaker 2: feet tall. It's Lucy James.
Speaker 3: Stomp, stomp. You know what that sound is. It's me
Speaker 3: coming in. You guess some great material today, Gang, I
Speaker 3: am so jealoused.
Speaker 1: Lucy is fresh off a plane from Japan.
Speaker 4: Oh, can I just can I just tell you? You
Speaker 4: know what you shouldn't fucking read on a plane? Bizik? Oh.
Speaker 3: There was a point where I just I just let's
Speaker 3: just say I got to a very specific big event
Speaker 3: and I just had to just skip through a lot
Speaker 3: of pages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to read it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of very specific big events. It is the Madman
Speaker 1: of anime. Jeff Beckler.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: I'm in totally, and now we're rocket all the takes
Speaker 5: I have or that of a Madman's what can I say?
Speaker 5: That's just the way I was built different. Thanks for
Speaker 5: having me, John, How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good with you always. I'm your host, John
Speaker 1: Ipach Wolf Welsh.
Speaker 2: What's up? Nice?
Speaker 1: You know, think think things are going? Life's Life's a
Speaker 1: little complicated right now, but that's okay because we're here.
Speaker 1: We're here to talk.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're here to talk.
Speaker 1: One of the finest gush durn anime in existence. And
Speaker 1: I thought these were two fantastic episodes.
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you.
Speaker 5: You know how they say sometimes like a decade, it
Speaker 5: can happen in two days. Yeah, yeah that. But for
Speaker 5: this show, right in two episodes, My goodness, have we
Speaker 5: unpacked a lot of character development and backstories and trauma
Speaker 5: in these two Holy goodness, gracious, I'm starting. You know,
Speaker 5: who's who told me Berserk is one of the greatest
Speaker 5: stories ever told.
Speaker 2: I think we said that.
Speaker 5: I think you all collectively, everyone who's ever interacted with
Speaker 5: Berserk in any in any fashion.
Speaker 3: There's a guy in front of me on the plane
Speaker 3: wearing bers ship.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, good time.
Speaker 1: I got onto a I got onto a plane and
Speaker 1: some guy was watching one of my videos a couple
Speaker 1: of seats.
Speaker 2: He oh wow, that's cool.
Speaker 5: Did you do some fun Did you do like a
Speaker 5: Bill Murray thing where you're like, no one will believe
Speaker 5: you this happened.
Speaker 1: I had no I had actually just finished the video
Speaker 1: the previous day, and the last thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: do was think about it. He opened up his laptop
Speaker 1: and he started playing it, and I could not fucking
Speaker 1: believe it.
Speaker 2: What videos?
Speaker 1: I didn't do that? It was actually the first Roman
Speaker 1: Reigns video.
Speaker 2: Okay, I watched your latest Roman Rains video, and I
Speaker 2: didn't realize that the first half of it is the
Speaker 2: same Roman Rains video. Right, Uh, it's not.
Speaker 1: There's like it new bits and stuff in there.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I swear to God,
Speaker 2: do I just know this or have I have I
Speaker 2: just And then I realized, oh, this is similar to
Speaker 2: the old one.
Speaker 1: I still watched the entire Why that's sure? That that's sure.
Speaker 1: That guy sure picked a specific time to come out
Speaker 1: with his political views, didn't he? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wait yeah what did he? What did he? Actually? No,
Speaker 2: actually we shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: No, don't just let's let's just not.
Speaker 5: But instead, let's talk more about Berserk and the first
Speaker 5: anime merch that I might own. Do you think it's
Speaker 5: gonna be Berserk or do you think it's gonna be
Speaker 5: JoJo's or maybe Cow? Maybe it's gonna be a I
Speaker 5: wish I had a shirt that said like SEU space Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Oh that has to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could make that, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think an official version exists. Oh no, my
Speaker 2: go well, you know what, I feel like, knockoffs are
Speaker 2: very in vogue right now. That's like, uh.
Speaker 1: A really sick cowboy bebop hoodie. Before it was like
Speaker 1: an orange hoodie. I kind of like oies, like they're fun.
Speaker 1: And then like it just said kewboy bebup, little tiny
Speaker 1: thing on the pocket and then the back was like
Speaker 1: silhouetted panels of spike chest and damn it was so cool.
Speaker 1: I think it's a kewboy bebup on the sleeve.
Speaker 2: It was kind of insane, but it Want to watch Lazarus.
Speaker 2: I was going to this weekend and then I got
Speaker 2: sick and I was like, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: First up is pretty dope. Yep, I've heard pretty dope.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll watch it today. Actually, or you're familiar, John,
Speaker 2: You're an anime expert, right, Lazarus? Yeah, the new series
Speaker 2: from what Not? Oh no, I didn't even know that
Speaker 2: was out this week? Yeah, didn't you post about this?
Speaker 2: Definitely not am I losing my mind. I could have swam.
Speaker 5: I think it's a territory thing. You have access to it. Yes,
Speaker 5: it's adult swim, I believe, but.
Speaker 1: I will check it out for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, check it out. Yeah, it's a new one.
Speaker 1: My week has been devoured by a tiny feral.
Speaker 5: Wait no, well hold on, yeah, I was gonna say
Speaker 5: I posted it. I posted a clip to this, and
Speaker 5: then you replied, I've been so.
Speaker 2: Excited about this. When was this? It's like March twentieth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Oh you mean, let's be directly a month?
Speaker 1: A month? Oh so pre dog? No, Tim, that wasn't
Speaker 1: that was infinitely more serene life. Okay, sorry, folks, I
Speaker 1: envy that person.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: Uh, John has had his brain factory reset, and uh,
Speaker 5: this will be the first time he is also watching berserk?
Speaker 2: Isn't that correct?
Speaker 1: I like, and look at this. What a handsome fellow.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 5: I have questions about Griffith, more questions than I did before.
Speaker 5: Let me just say that, forgive me, friends, but more
Speaker 5: than before.
Speaker 1: We meet Griffith and he's basically having an encounter with
Speaker 1: the princess and she brings him this little I guess
Speaker 1: this this little necklace with a little soldier on it,
Speaker 1: and she's like, here's the male one, and you have this,
Speaker 1: and I'll kind of the female one because apparently they're
Speaker 1: both drawn to each other. This is Princess Charlotte making
Speaker 1: moves here like not better affection, Charlotte.
Speaker 4: I mean she's got game there.
Speaker 2: I like, I feel like you should be the other
Speaker 2: way around. Oh, like Griffith should have the female.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that makes sense to me, Tim.
Speaker 5: I think it works either way if they if the
Speaker 5: if the little necklace toys attract each other, what's what's
Speaker 5: the I think like that.
Speaker 2: In my mind, the attraction would be stronger if they
Speaker 2: were the opposite.
Speaker 1: But you want to talk about game. Griffith's all like, no,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't accept this.
Speaker 2: Stupid necklace.
Speaker 1: Exactly what he says, Jeff, isn't it weird?
Speaker 2: Stupid thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Where that Griffith's always talking like that, just the kind
Speaker 1: of like dismissive guy from New Jersey like Charlotte.
Speaker 5: It's a stupid fucking necklace. I don't want it. Where
Speaker 5: am I gonna put it? I wear armor all day.
Speaker 5: I could barely put this nose goblin egg thing around
Speaker 5: my neck. It stops bull to narrow, is sure, but
Speaker 5: I can't wear this neck.
Speaker 1: He's just so a matter of fact. He's like, I
Speaker 1: can't accept this, Charlotte, but I will borrow it from
Speaker 1: you and give it back.
Speaker 2: Game, game, what you want. I'm surprised she's She wasn't like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's the intent. It is supposed to come back.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Right, you're right, like like we're meant to be together.
Speaker 5: Ye was not clear with the attraction.
Speaker 2: Do you know how the purpose of this this is
Speaker 2: designed to bring it back to the other word, Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you want.
Speaker 5: To come back as quickly as this battles over there,
Speaker 5: I mean that's fine, but like I thought, a couple
Speaker 5: of a couple of beats between these But okay.
Speaker 1: Kay is watching on basically being the kind of equivalent
Speaker 1: of the sound Oh yeah, yep, sure, thanks.
Speaker 2: Wait you do it like a little further away from
Speaker 2: your mic, because she's like down the stairs and behind
Speaker 2: the corner, right, she's kind of far away.
Speaker 1: So here's a here's Griffith being like, look at her, like,
Speaker 1: I don't can't figure fucking necklace next to my nose ring,
Speaker 1: and then Caska.
Speaker 6: Is like, hear that with the gate, but it works,
Speaker 6: it works, Yeah, Caso's got yeah.
Speaker 1: And then right at the end, Charlotte's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: platonic warrior, lady, h take care of Griffith, And cask
Speaker 1: is like, and then the queen, the queen shows up,
Speaker 1: and what do you.
Speaker 4: Think of her?
Speaker 1: Jane?
Speaker 4: She kind of seems like your type.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you does she?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you think that you think me and the queen
Speaker 5: would get along in what way?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: She kind of looks a little bit like Thingny from
Speaker 3: Bebop a little bit.
Speaker 1: I guess she has a kind of mature and will
Speaker 1: feel to her.
Speaker 5: Jeff, I mean, oh, is that the angle we're going
Speaker 5: towards the Katerina?
Speaker 3: She's not pregnant, but like you know, Jeff, isn't an attack.
Speaker 5: We're just exploring here, buddy. No, I don't think she
Speaker 5: seems like a good person. She seems real stuck up
Speaker 5: right away.
Speaker 1: Okay, but the material like, how does that?
Speaker 5: No, it's not about a mommy okay, it's not a
Speaker 5: mommy thing. It's a whole thing. Where Like she's already
Speaker 5: saying like Charlotte. Haven't we talked about not associating with
Speaker 5: fucking gutter people? Is essentially what she tells.
Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you guys about her? The first
Speaker 1: time I met Jeff and we went for lunch, he
Speaker 1: called pause. There was there was a pause, and at
Speaker 1: one person he just goes, don't you think how a
Speaker 1: woman can create life inside her is like the most
Speaker 1: beautiful thing? And I was kind of like what I
Speaker 1: was like, uh sure, and like it's not that what
Speaker 1: he said was wrong, but just that it came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was before we even ordered food. I think
Speaker 5: it was a little aggressive. Who's the second thing I
Speaker 5: ever said to John? Yeah, in person, but John knew
Speaker 5: what was up. John was like, I.
Speaker 2: Get it, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Well, they like, I think snippets of the conversation is fine,
Speaker 1: but the entire thing is like that, that's a private affair.
Speaker 2: You're right, I take it back, all right, that's our
Speaker 2: secret to hold. It's time for your from software reference
Speaker 2: of the week. What's that this? This queen lady reminds
Speaker 2: me so much. I'm not saying they directly inspired, but
Speaker 2: if you look at them, did anyone play Shadow of
Speaker 2: the Tree elden Ring. No, there's a character called count
Speaker 2: Emir who's like has a quest line called the mother
Speaker 2: or Fingers quest line. But this is dude, I believe
Speaker 2: it's sentence looks like the same.
Speaker 1: I see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look look at the headdress and the rap and severe. Look.
Speaker 5: I got more of like a anistery kind of vibe
Speaker 5: from her.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh wow, this really does look like this
Speaker 5: character though, with the feathers around the and then the
Speaker 5: neck there. Yeah, she's she seemed like, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: it was the first glimpse into that. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is Game of Thrones, right, this is this is what.
Speaker 2: One se Yeah, am I the only one that hasn't properly?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jeff is like massively like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, something happened.
Speaker 2: That's kind of thing you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your WiFi is cutting out?
Speaker 2: My guy? Oh no, not the Wi Fi? Hello, do
Speaker 2: you hear me?
Speaker 3: Sorry we didn't react to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, am I going? Am I? Okay?
Speaker 1: I think you're okay?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting real tiny there for him.
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.
Speaker 5: I don't know what to blame, but yeah, the Game
Speaker 5: of Thrones energy I get from the very landis three
Speaker 5: vibes with Charlotte and her her mother, who is too
Speaker 5: good for this world. I think she's a very severe
Speaker 5: looking Yeah, severe, as severe as the word.
Speaker 1: We find ourselves on the battlefield the next day, and
Speaker 1: Guts is kind of you know, he's sort of thinking
Speaker 1: about this whole thing and about how Griffith said that
Speaker 1: the only person who could be his friend is someone
Speaker 1: who was as equal, and that's that's eating him. He's
Speaker 1: not he's not taken that well. And so we then
Speaker 1: once again meet a down who is the leader who
Speaker 1: they basically bested like twice.
Speaker 2: Now, this guy is so washed and he keeps coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's enormous too. He's he's larger than.
Speaker 5: Life, large man like he is large and yep, and
Speaker 5: he's you know, I'm I'm a what does he keep saying?
Speaker 5: I feel like he changes the name.
Speaker 2: Of his likerk group every time we meet.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm the Majesty of the Blue Whale was Order.
Speaker 1: It's like like the Blue Whale super Strength Battalion or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a fucking it's a badass name.
Speaker 2: In fair Yep.
Speaker 5: Me and the Wallowitzes have always been in charge of
Speaker 5: this whale group. I'll have you know for anywhere from
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty to three hundred and eighty years.
Speaker 5: If you're following a law.
Speaker 2: I regret to inform you. I have to interrupt with
Speaker 2: another front Software reference of the week two in one episode,
Speaker 2: I don't looks like the inspiration for Dark Souls ones
Speaker 2: have all the rocky picture, look at the look at
Speaker 2: the curved head, where and stature?
Speaker 5: Sure it's a good thing. You're a from Wikipedia?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Hey is it a good thing? Or is it
Speaker 2: not a good thing?
Speaker 1: Hey? The of this podcast? Yes, well I would I
Speaker 1: would have I would have one criticism to.
Speaker 2: More mm hmm, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you don't lean into we.
Speaker 2: It's because ever since Lucy pointed out that it's a
Speaker 2: direct ripoff of another podcasts intro and just been like, oh,
Speaker 2: I hope they don't hear this, but I mean, but.
Speaker 3: I mean, tam, what is from soft if not a
Speaker 3: direct in some regards, I think I think it's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I both respect that and also I'm deeply insulted
Speaker 2: that you would say that from software.
Speaker 3: Deeply inspired by let's just say yeah, both are deeply
Speaker 3: inspired by.
Speaker 2: The I like that. I like that.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, our girl Kasko not feeling so hot.
Speaker 2: Something's something's wrong.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's looking at the ground a lot in this episode.
Speaker 5: The middle of battles, she kind of just kicked rocks, like,
Speaker 5: can wet.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. I was gonna say, can we
Speaker 2: get a kicking rocks sound effect from the back of
Speaker 2: our please rat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she runs straight in and so the bubble beginnings.
Speaker 1: Guts is going nuts. He's got something to prove here, goos.
Speaker 2: I agree, John, I agree? Continue please, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Jeff, my people went through so much fun and
Speaker 1: for you to know mock our accents.
Speaker 5: No, No, it's the guts in the nuts.
Speaker 2: I think it's a fun rhymes.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to come from an
Speaker 1: ancetress street that has suffered, Jeff, but let me tell
Speaker 1: you it is. It is intense.
Speaker 5: Look, you're extracting a thing that's not their friend. I
Speaker 5: don't know what to tell you. You're the guts in
Speaker 5: the nuts is what I'm having a fun time about.
Speaker 5: You know, guts just slashing through fifteen guards at a time.
Speaker 2: He's op.
Speaker 5: Now, I feel like in the BEGINN think he was
Speaker 5: just like a really skilled warrior and now they like
Speaker 5: show him slice ones and the bo's frame is fourteen
Speaker 5: guys dies medieval Superman.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he's got a cape and all with a
Speaker 2: g on it, flowing in the wind, wearing tighty whities.
Speaker 1: Cas is doing okay. Caska, despite being in some kind
Speaker 1: of discomfort, is taken down soldiers and that's when she
Speaker 1: encounters General Aidon and man, yeah, you do not realize
Speaker 1: how big this dude is until you see him in
Speaker 1: this shop and.
Speaker 5: With the horse. It's just like he's like fourteen feet tall.
Speaker 5: Poor Caska pushed up against the edge of a cliff,
Speaker 5: just being like, let's go.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna fight her?
Speaker 1: What? And he gets the better at Caska. He manages
Speaker 1: to nearly strike her down, gets her to the edge
Speaker 1: of the cliff, and she's saved by our boy Guts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the worst guts insertion of of the entire series
Speaker 5: so far. Excuse me, Like a guts insertion where he like,
Speaker 5: oh sorry, let me clarify, where he like teleports into
Speaker 5: a frame, you know what I mean. Like, uh, it
Speaker 5: was getting exciting because Aidon was saying abhorrent shit to Caska,
Speaker 5: like we're gonna make you the Army's prostitute. We're gonna
Speaker 5: do all this fucked up shit. Like it was really rough,
Speaker 5: and you're like, wow, Caska's gonna like rip this guy's
Speaker 5: throat out. I don't know how he's got this like
Speaker 5: sharp ass trident at pointed right at are like jugular.
Speaker 5: Certainly the stakes are high and the odds are against
Speaker 5: Kaska here, and then all of a sudden, Guts just
Speaker 5: shows up with his like fourteen foot long sword and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, surprise, I'm here. You didn't know.
Speaker 5: You didn't notice me here at the edge of the cliff,
Speaker 5: but I was hiding and I was here just in time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this is kind of kind of pissed me off because his.
Speaker 2: Next two episodes are they hinge on the disempowerment of
Speaker 2: Cosca a lot, which is it can be difficult to
Speaker 2: watch and it kind of has a lot of consequence
Speaker 2: going forward, but it is rough in the moment to
Speaker 2: be like yo, what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely moments from this that like I don't
Speaker 1: love and especially like I guess it's it's like, there's
Speaker 1: two things wrong with Cawsky here. One is she has
Speaker 1: a fever and the other it's like it's like she's
Speaker 1: on a period and that.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, Jeff, is that a legit question? What you
Speaker 4: didn't know she was on a period?
Speaker 2: Where is it I missed that? I missed that? What?
Speaker 2: So okay, all right, take that or guys, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking for anyone. Wait a second, Wait a second.
Speaker 2: When did they Okay, maybe I missed.
Speaker 3: When when she's on the horse, she holds her something
Speaker 3: and she says, oh God, not now, because she's she's.
Speaker 2: Cramping, and then maybe I looked away.
Speaker 3: Then I'm sorry. We're gonna go ahead to the next episode.
Speaker 3: When Guts undresses her, he sees the blood between her
Speaker 3: legs and he goes, oh, that's why.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 5: I thought that was like very It was very unclear
Speaker 5: what they were showing.
Speaker 2: I thought she got beat up a little bit.
Speaker 1: So Jeff, when I said she by home, When I
Speaker 1: said Cask is on her period, did you think I
Speaker 1: was doing like a bit?
Speaker 2: This was.
Speaker 1: With another classic menstrual bit.
Speaker 2: This was a video podcast. If this was a video podcast,
Speaker 2: you could see the exact moment where Backla, I was like,
Speaker 2: we're getting canceled.
Speaker 5: So true, because no, because think about it, think zoom
Speaker 5: out for a second. All right, the part so I
Speaker 5: don't remember her holding her her belly, right.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that kind of soul, but yeah she
Speaker 2: does do it. I must have maybe you know, looked
Speaker 2: away for a second. Uh and yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know she was in battle with aid On, so I thought,
Speaker 5: maybe you know she got her ass kicked a little bit.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, all right, well they don't really show. God,
Speaker 5: I do you have to go back and like look
Speaker 5: at that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Jeff, yeah they catch that. I did to
Speaker 2: catch it.
Speaker 5: Folks there I am call me a dummy and think
Speaker 5: of John will make a period joke.
Speaker 1: You know, me always cracking wise about the many difficult
Speaker 1: things women have to go through.
Speaker 5: That's my territory. Well, no, because I knew you were.
Speaker 5: I knew you weren't like being genuine with it. I
Speaker 5: thought you were like showing how much of a dickhead eight.
Speaker 2: On super Guy Patch Wolf over here just yeah, oh
Speaker 2: my god, his way through all the funny. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you guys, you had a very special
Speaker 1: message board called or slush maketoe.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: Either way, it's about men who are like, I'm not
Speaker 1: having sex with women, not because I'm a loser, but
Speaker 1: it's because I'm cool.
Speaker 5: Anyway, Oh cool, got it? Yeah, okay, anyway, maybe another
Speaker 5: subchannel for you.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So Guts saves saves Casca AND's kind of like side
Speaker 1: swords smashes eight On in the face with the side
Speaker 1: of his sword like not a cut, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: a bunk, and it binds his teeth and he's he
Speaker 1: pluits his helmet in half. Yeah, and so Goots is like, okay,
Speaker 1: better save Caska, who's being weird and acting faint, and
Speaker 1: Caska nearly plunges off the cliffts grabs her, only for
Speaker 1: crossbow bolt to strike Guts in the side and they
Speaker 1: both plummet from the cliff.
Speaker 2: Brutal.
Speaker 1: They hit the bottom below, and basically Gots is okay,
Speaker 1: Cask is unconscious. He just pulls out the arrow and
Speaker 1: he's like, well that sucks, and throws it away and
Speaker 1: then he finds like a little kind of Oh, it's
Speaker 1: like a little hovel. Is that the right word?
Speaker 2: A hovel? Nice? It's like a cave, yeah, I think yeah,
Speaker 2: like a tree.
Speaker 1: Builbow Baggins would build some I.
Speaker 2: Guess you can. You can call it a hovel. I
Speaker 2: guess it's funny because I was reading a book yesterday
Speaker 2: and they used the word hovel a lot. So I'm
Speaker 2: very familiar with the physical makeup of a hovel.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's like, it's not quite a cave. It's
Speaker 1: like cave in yunder a tree.
Speaker 2: It's a crevice in a tree.
Speaker 1: Lucie, I feel like you would you would know this.
Speaker 4: What a hovel?
Speaker 2: What this what this little structure is?
Speaker 4: Well, they're in a cave.
Speaker 2: It's just a cave.
Speaker 4: It's just a random little cave.
Speaker 2: It's a tree hole tree there. A cave area inside
Speaker 2: a tree is called a tree hollow. Hollow a cavity
Speaker 2: that can form in a living tree due to various
Speaker 2: factors like injury and decay.
Speaker 1: So, you know, Guts realizes Cask has a fever, he
Speaker 1: realizes what's wrong with her, and then you know, or
Speaker 1: someone does what women's rights goods is?
Speaker 5: I feel like I was there a woman I put
Speaker 5: two and two together, if I was there in the
Speaker 5: battle with with I'm scrolling through it now and I'm
Speaker 5: just like, nah, I just missed that, just missed.
Speaker 2: It could have been poopies.
Speaker 1: Who knows, so, Jeff, I guess I'm curious if you
Speaker 1: were there in the battle, how how would you know? No,
Speaker 1: I mean in the tree hole. In the tree hole,
Speaker 1: I woantn't know, Okay, yeah, after taking her clothes off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, after you know, uh yeah, yeah put
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: So, I think there's like, you know, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of shots in Berserk that will make a Berserk fan emotional.
Speaker 1: I think the last shot of this episode where it's
Speaker 1: Goods and he's in his tree hole and in his
Speaker 1: in one arm still are because I can't a cat
Speaker 1: change now, and one harm is the sword, and it's
Speaker 1: just it's a fucking great shot.
Speaker 2: It looks and.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, the way before we talked about how
Speaker 1: like Goods is always like clutching his sword, but yeah,
Speaker 1: clutching someone else.
Speaker 2: It's sweet.
Speaker 5: It's sweet, very so it's a very powerful moment for sure.
Speaker 5: I was able to detect that. Don't worry, really fun, tremendous.
Speaker 5: How are you guys feeling about it?
Speaker 2: Good? Good? For the mostly you know, yeah, it feels
Speaker 2: like this there's like a significant characterization leap hair that happens. Yes,
Speaker 2: if we've yeah, yes ahead, you know, aware of it coming.
Speaker 2: It can be quite a way blashed style thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was one of the first times I felt prepared.
Speaker 5: I felt prepared for like this kind of heavy expositional
Speaker 5: character forward episode, you know, because I do think there's
Speaker 5: a lot around Berserk that I can't quite put my
Speaker 5: finger on. Obviously, I think after these couple of episodes
Speaker 5: like it can put my finger on a little better.
Speaker 5: Not the period thing everything else, but certainly, yeah, some
Speaker 5: things are some things are being communicated. And just so
Speaker 5: you all know, I know everyone's thinking about it. They're
Speaker 5: listening to this podcast and they're like, does motherfucker watch
Speaker 5: this on one and a half speed? No, I made
Speaker 5: sure I was watching it.
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 1: The fact that you've is now like, but no, only
Speaker 1: only a guilty man?
Speaker 2: Is some real you smell it you energy here.
Speaker 5: I only bring it up because I'm looking at my
Speaker 5: notes from episode five leaf Fart Noise, And I did
Speaker 5: have a note about accident.
Speaker 1: I believe they called it that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it's insane, look whatever, don't question genius. Also,
Speaker 5: I made a note of watching it by accident too fast,
Speaker 5: and I wanted to clear the record and make sure
Speaker 5: everyone knew I was watching it at.
Speaker 2: The appropriate speed this week. Thank you. Speaking if we
Speaker 2: have to call this episode mmmmm, I was gonna say
Speaker 2: we have to call this episode period pains.
Speaker 4: I don't think we do.
Speaker 5: Sure right now, Right now, I have it's pretty tough
Speaker 5: to be.
Speaker 2: That's a good one said. That's very long, but I
Speaker 2: think it's more appropriate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of getting to the right speed, I'm going
Speaker 3: to quickly refilming coffee. So you'll keep you you just
Speaker 3: you'll just keep chatting. I'll be right back, keep going,
Speaker 3: not pausing to keep going.
Speaker 2: Oh we're still going. Okay, fair enough, Okay.
Speaker 1: Caska awakens from her period fever like that was still.
Speaker 5: That can't be No, no, that's not a normal I
Speaker 5: don't believe that to be a normal symptom of that.
Speaker 5: We have no one here who can speak to it.
Speaker 2: Fell off a cliff.
Speaker 5: She fell off a cliff into a fucking river, and like,
Speaker 5: who knows what happened?
Speaker 2: You know, God, damn it. Maybe that has something to
Speaker 2: do with the fever. Maybe, Yeah, I had a fever
Speaker 2: last Friday. Boy, I have yet to have a Why
Speaker 2: do you have a fever?
Speaker 1: Why did I have a fever. I that's that's it.
Speaker 2: That's it island.
Speaker 1: It was real weird. I woke up in the morning
Speaker 1: feeling fine, and then I started feeling shitty, and then
Speaker 1: I started feeling real shitty. And that lasted for about
Speaker 1: eighteen hours. And I wasn't sweating at all, Like I
Speaker 1: could not sweat, and then I sweat about a liter
Speaker 1: of water in a thirty seconds and the fever was
Speaker 1: gone and I was fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I have spoken to a doctor about this. And
Speaker 5: your body is constantly fighting off shit, yeah, left and
Speaker 5: right all day long and if it and it's like
Speaker 5: a resource management situation, and in moments of panic, your
Speaker 5: body will develop a fever to fight.
Speaker 2: Off something, is what he told me.
Speaker 5: And you don't always have to get the flu or
Speaker 5: have a crazy amount of symptoms. When your fever breaks,
Speaker 5: your body's like, I don't need to be a fever anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so you were fighting something off, John.
Speaker 2: The same thing happened to me on Saturday. It was
Speaker 2: very windy and cold in San Francisco and I was
Speaker 2: outside of walking and when I got home, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I am not feeling good, and I got a fever
Speaker 2: and then by the end of that night, I was fine. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's crazy, isn't it. Bodies man bodies, they.
Speaker 1: Work, just giant meat robots that our little brains pilot.
Speaker 2: That's it. Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Casco awakens and doesn't know where she is, doesn't know
Speaker 1: what's going on. All she knows is that she's naked,
Speaker 1: and a half naked Guts is sitting right beside her.
Speaker 2: She says, the worst place to be, you know, not
Speaker 2: the worst? He says, you are in a cave by
Speaker 2: the river, so we've got official confirmation on what we're
Speaker 2: in cave.
Speaker 5: Also, I know this is a weird time to offer
Speaker 5: you this medicine I have, as if it's too late
Speaker 5: in your fever campaign, but maybe take it now as
Speaker 5: opposed to when I first discovered you had a fever.
Speaker 4: You know, what are you doing drugging and a sleep woman?
Speaker 5: It's medicine, it's and it's Thailand, all swallowing.
Speaker 2: It's Midlands Thailand, all okay? Sorry.
Speaker 1: She looks extremely sedate, and then after a while she
Speaker 1: just she punches guts, She just she gets some great
Speaker 1: punches in on Goots, just.
Speaker 3: Where she throws all the ship at himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then rolls a knife that like nearly slices
Speaker 1: his skull in half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are we done there with the dead guts?
Speaker 1: Look, Cask is a proud lady, you know, she don't
Speaker 1: she doesn't want she doesn't. I think part of this
Speaker 1: is like she doesn't want good to see her naked,
Speaker 1: and part of it is she doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: saved by guts.
Speaker 2: So murder is the answer.
Speaker 5: Yes, Just can't you see Caska like crawling out of
Speaker 5: the tree hole and just going.
Speaker 2: Whoops like that.
Speaker 1: I just woke up and someone had plunged my knife
Speaker 1: into guts as hook. Oh it's unfortunate, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't. I feel like if I do get upset
Speaker 1: about every little thing, I.
Speaker 2: Feel like if a dude who carries around a ninety
Speaker 2: foot sword and fights armies every day isn't able to
Speaker 2: dodge a singular knife, probably deserves to be dead. Honestly,
Speaker 2: he kind of didn't dodge it. He kind of just
Speaker 2: got lucky. I think of that one.
Speaker 1: You know, she takes another big swing at him and
Speaker 1: he catches it this time. Yeah, and then he kind
Speaker 1: of is like he's trying to hold her and be
Speaker 1: like would you fucking calm down, and then she kind
Speaker 1: of like slumps over. And this is kind of one
Speaker 1: of those bits time that I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: speaks a bit to kind of the disempowering of cask.
Speaker 2: You're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some stuff like this that just doesn't I don't.
Speaker 1: I kind of get it from a character point of view,
Speaker 1: but I just think she's cooler than that, you know.
Speaker 2: M m. Yeah. It's very runs, very counter to how
Speaker 2: she's been characterized up until this point, which I guess
Speaker 2: you could argue that it's an attempt to present a
Speaker 2: different side to Casco, something a little more soft and
Speaker 2: also relatable, and it's like, you know, that element of
Speaker 2: narrative writing and characterization, but I think it isn't done
Speaker 2: in a way that is particularly nuanced. I think it's
Speaker 2: also a symptom of how writing back then was, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it's a very simplistic way of showing that this woman
Speaker 2: is also and.
Speaker 1: I think if you take this contextually with like a
Speaker 1: lot of other anime, Casko is a miracle, you know,
Speaker 1: she it is of this like not more specifically like
Speaker 1: anime at this time, it's like, no, she is being
Speaker 1: thought about she has motivations, she has you know, like
Speaker 1: internal kind of mechanics that govern what she does, like
Speaker 1: she is, I think, great, but yeah, there moment's here
Speaker 1: where it feels like especially especially like you know, I
Speaker 1: can't even say anything too spoilery, but yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Agreed time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Goots tosses her top. Caska looks very cute
Speaker 1: in this what must be a small tent sized vest
Speaker 1: from Goods at this point.
Speaker 2: Is an oversized you know, mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: And he's like, so why did you join the Band
Speaker 1: of Hawk, And we begin to learn about Cask's backstory,
Speaker 1: how she basically just grew up as a normal, normal,
Speaker 1: regular villager, nothing special, nothing fancy, And god, I think
Speaker 1: the color palette of this entire flashback sequence is so beautiful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: blue hues and just so good. And we get lots
Speaker 1: of fun little shots Cask pushing a hoe hoe in
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, until she is seen, until she's seen
Speaker 1: by a real evil looking nobleman.
Speaker 5: Just you know, everything you need to know about this
Speaker 5: motherfucker this second you see him, You're like, here's the villain.
Speaker 1: Not Caska's parents though, because they're like by our daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's.
Speaker 4: The youngest of six.
Speaker 3: They don't mention that in the anime, but I just
Speaker 3: reread it, and she's the youngest of six in it.
Speaker 4: Uh rough times out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and they don't offer her up. The nobleman
Speaker 2: comes in and is like, I would like to purchase
Speaker 2: one child please, Yeah, because they also like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of villages being burnt down and crops being destroyed,
Speaker 2: so it's real poverty hours in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way you see her as a young girl,
Speaker 1: they can't get anything out of her, and so just
Speaker 1: another mouth. Yeah, that's exactly it. And so they say
Speaker 1: no at first, I think, but then later relents and
Speaker 1: Caska is like, oh, I guess I'm going with this man.
Speaker 1: And she doesn't really understand like the implications of that
Speaker 1: or what it means. And this fucking guy does not
Speaker 1: even get to his sex castle to like do do nothing.
Speaker 1: He just he just lunges at he stops the carriage
Speaker 1: and LUNs at her, lunges at her, and there's like
Speaker 1: some real rough shots here, just cast Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually kind of amazed that they showed a.
Speaker 4: Caska in that way.
Speaker 3: I thought they would kind of cut around it in
Speaker 3: some way.
Speaker 2: It's really shocking. Yeah, I kind of can't believe it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And just as just as this like this is about
Speaker 1: to go is as bad as it could, slash appears
Speaker 1: on the dude's face. Caska looks up and it's motherfucking Griffith.
Speaker 1: Griffith is here, and he's basically says to this guy,
Speaker 1: what gives you the right to do this? Like why
Speaker 1: do you think you are chosen by God to act
Speaker 1: in a way that is above everyone else?
Speaker 2: Mm?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think this is such a powerful sequence
Speaker 1: because Griffith doesn't. Like, first of all, you get Caska
Speaker 1: immediately falling in love with Griffith, just like she literally
Speaker 1: thinks he is an angel descended from heaven.
Speaker 2: Y yep. I think that's why the line where he says,
Speaker 2: do you think you're chosen by God? Hits part kelly
Speaker 2: hard for her because like she's saying that and at
Speaker 2: the same time she's looking at him and he looks
Speaker 2: like angelic, so in her mind, presumably she's making a
Speaker 2: different connection. It's like, oh, this guy might be chosen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like it helps that the drawings of Griffith
Speaker 1: here are like really stunning, Like you look like this
Speaker 1: entire sequence looks incredible. But god, he's he definitely looks
Speaker 1: like ethereally ethereally beautiful.
Speaker 2: Here it looks exactly the same, like floating. He doesn't
Speaker 2: even reverse age. She's not even young looking. He looks
Speaker 2: exactly No, he does.
Speaker 1: He's got like a floppy thing going on.
Speaker 2: Tom. Yeah, his hair is a bit.
Speaker 5: Floppy, his hair. He you're right, he does that. There's angelic.
Speaker 1: People want to go to eight minutes and twenty seven
Speaker 1: seconds in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll see there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the pit that like really just the whole
Speaker 1: the whole thing that like makes Casket and Griffith makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. I think retroactively makes you understand why
Speaker 1: Caskas sees this dude this way. Is he a savor?
Speaker 1: He throws her the sword and he's like do it,
Speaker 1: like save yourself.
Speaker 5: Doesn't really give her a lot of time to think
Speaker 5: about it, but certainly you know, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: He can't argue with the results. Jeff, No, of course not,
Speaker 2: of course not.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she that's Nobleman's like, oh shit, and lunges
Speaker 1: at her. She picks up the sword and she stabs
Speaker 1: him through the heart.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 2: She's like, wait, She's like, did I just kill guy?
Speaker 1: There is one picture in this that is very specifically
Speaker 1: the visual equivalent of like, wait, did I just kill someone?
Speaker 1: People watching? It is eight minutes fifty nine seconds in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a vacant stare. Look what's that now?
Speaker 2: But also like I feel like you, even when he's
Speaker 2: been stabbed, he still looks like the most killable person
Speaker 2: that exists. Yeah, yeah, this guy deserves it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure. Another they're just great drawing here is one of
Speaker 1: those classic berserk drawings, and it's like a kind of
Speaker 1: side profile of like Casca and Griffith on a hill
Speaker 1: and Caska is holding the bloody sword and Griffith is
Speaker 1: just like placing his hand gently on her hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: god damn, it's it's it's beautiful. It's so so good,
Speaker 1: And like that's pretty much it. After this, Griffith's like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: want to go with you.
Speaker 2: Teach me to use the sword, and I want to
Speaker 2: study the blaze yep, show me how to kill, show
Speaker 2: me how to kill like you kill, and also how
Speaker 2: to be super cool and kind of nonchalant about everything
Speaker 2: and speaking cryptic sort of riddles show me all that.
Speaker 1: I can't tell if it's Corcus or it's just a
Speaker 1: conssive soldier here.
Speaker 5: Well, it's more of a it's more of my like
Speaker 5: feeble attack on Griffith's personality.
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about the guy who's like, hmmm, I
Speaker 1: don't know if we should take this young girl with us.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's energy for sure. Yeah, Corcus is always just.
Speaker 1: Not you know, he's like because we don't actually see
Speaker 1: his like is the fall off of his face? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he does have a distinctive bottom half, which brings
Speaker 1: us to it's the carcass improv hour by which, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe minute and a half.
Speaker 2: I don't have an hour. I didn't have an hour.
Speaker 2: I have places to be.
Speaker 1: So Corcus and Gouts and Casket and Griffith have all
Speaker 1: just seen the nineteen eighties horror classic Nightmare on Elm Street,
Speaker 1: and Corcus has been actually quite frightened by it, but
Speaker 1: does not want to let on, and once it makes it,
Speaker 1: wants to make it seem like Goods is actually the
Speaker 1: one who's scared.
Speaker 5: Well, that was certainly a flick for the Ages, was it?
Speaker 5: Not friends of mine? We're all just do me a favorite.
Speaker 5: Turn the lights on just for a second. I just
Speaker 5: want to make sure you're all here. Hello. Yes, God,
Speaker 5: did you find that to be scary? Because I won't lie. Certainly, certainly,
Speaker 5: certainly felt the whispers of evil down the back of
Speaker 5: my neck as it were. No, No, not at all. No,
Speaker 5: not even just a little bit, not even just a
Speaker 5: little hair raising on the back of your neck.
Speaker 2: No, fair enough.
Speaker 5: I'm not scared either, just checking to make sure the
Speaker 5: Band of the Hawks stays strong, hold the line, no
Speaker 5: matter what Jason might due to us in our.
Speaker 7: Sleep, has not seen. I've conflated hard Freddy Kruger, Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I'm a man of temptation and I've and I'm worried
Speaker 5: Freddy Krueger will be attacking me in my dreams. Sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm just scared and I'm vulnerable with you, my friends,
Speaker 5: the Band of the Hawk.
Speaker 2: Forgive me for being vulnerable in this moment. I'n seen great. Wow,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I'm fully aware. I'm fully
Speaker 2: aware of Halloween. I know I can't stop. You can't
Speaker 2: stop Michael Das is Halloween.
Speaker 1: I know, I know Jeff become lost in the performance.
Speaker 5: That's what happens life imitate its art and you just
Speaker 5: let it slip away. Okay, it's good to be back though. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's good to Carcus. Actually we skipped over the Carcus.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: He had a couple of lines these past two episodes.
Speaker 5: Who's what was he talking about? That dumb that dumb motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Oh I was.
Speaker 3: I mean, i'll share it with you later, but when
Speaker 3: we get to it. But I did see a couple
Speaker 3: of cracking Caucus panels today and I thought of you.
Speaker 4: To send it to John and TWM.
Speaker 2: Please and not me, or we've got a secret chat, remember.
Speaker 5: Crow, anti caucus chat of course, change my roles on
Speaker 5: the Discord now, please.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of Caucus being in Discord. It's
Speaker 2: not perfect, but it's good. It's a good app it's
Speaker 2: a good platform platform.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything about Discord works nearly kind of how you'd.
Speaker 2: Like it to. It's seventy across the board, which is
Speaker 2: good enough.
Speaker 1: It is the hardest be minus in existence.
Speaker 2: Yes, So.
Speaker 1: I think when I was like experiencing this first, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so that's Caske and Griffith Steel And
Speaker 1: the next part is like, no, there's way more here.
Speaker 1: So so Kaska joins the Band of the Hawk, starts
Speaker 1: doing really well. She gets she gets a cute little
Speaker 1: crop cut, and they basically visit this dude, and this
Speaker 1: dude like the evilest fucking king. He's got the full
Speaker 1: on bald headed long beard. Look, you know, the upside
Speaker 1: down rock star I like to call.
Speaker 2: It, you know, you know, it's really disarming about this
Speaker 2: moment they show him like and he's sitting there, but
Speaker 2: in the back behind his throne is like the decigil
Speaker 2: of his I don't know, his kingdom, and it's the
Speaker 2: cutest little lobster you've ever seen. Yeah, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: such a cute little lobster. It's got like googly eyes
Speaker 2: and stuff. And every time I see it, I'm just
Speaker 2: like that is that is fantastic? I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is very rich king who has done
Speaker 1: work with the Band of the Hawk. And we basically
Speaker 1: find out that he has a pensiant for young boys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hm, not great. Not a lot of good people
Speaker 2: in Middland, got it.
Speaker 5: It's just such a reoccurring scene in all this like
Speaker 5: you know, and all these these these these era pieces
Speaker 5: like games like even game of Thrones, Like there's always
Speaker 5: an angle of that in these right, am I am
Speaker 5: I crazy?
Speaker 1: I think that's there because that's.
Speaker 2: What it was accurate, you know, sadly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always remember there was an interview with George or
Speaker 1: Martin once and like he was talking about like all
Speaker 1: the kind of old knights stories and he says, like
Speaker 1: at one point he kind of just realized that knights
Speaker 1: were just just murder machines. Like that's that's what they
Speaker 1: were for, you know, they they were just killers, And
Speaker 1: you know, it's we have It's like the whole kind
Speaker 1: of like Prince Charming romanticization of knights is something he
Speaker 1: was trying to push back on with Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: And I think there's so much stuff like that with
Speaker 1: medieval culture. Like I think I think if we actually
Speaker 1: saw what medieval culture was like and spent a day
Speaker 1: just like what, we would go horrent. Yeah, we we
Speaker 1: would lose our minds. Yeah, the smell, oh oh, the
Speaker 1: shit about bathing and how long they'd go between baths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Caska like god.
Speaker 1: This this whole bit is so disturbing. But like Caska
Speaker 1: notices this shit with the boys and she's really upset.
Speaker 8: By it.
Speaker 1: She's like, this is so fucked up. And Griffith puts
Speaker 1: his hand on her shoulder, which he doesn't do a lot,
Speaker 1: like he saves it for the moments that matter. I
Speaker 1: think he's done it maybe three two or three other
Speaker 1: times other than this, and like you could just see
Speaker 1: on her face she is so consoled, she is so like, hey,
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be all right. And we then get another
Speaker 1: really really important scene and it's on the kind of
Speaker 1: mountain side after a battle and the sun setting in
Speaker 1: the distance and Cask's Griffith and Caskar are standing over
Speaker 1: this dead kid and this is a kid who joined
Speaker 1: the Band of Hawk of his own free will and
Speaker 1: was killed in the last battle, and Pippin brings over
Speaker 1: like his little child's toy, and you can see this
Speaker 1: is kind of eating at Griffith. You can see like
Speaker 1: he's not he's not like just sad about this, Like
Speaker 1: there's a kind of there's a kind of conflict.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, certainly, I mean, like we're seeing the
Speaker 2: origin stories. It's I can't actually I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say too much, but yeah, we're seeing a formative moment
Speaker 2: for Griffith where he's realizing his kind of his path forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's kind of like this kid died for
Speaker 1: my dream.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's something just inherently, like very uneasy about he
Speaker 5: just chooses to like exist.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What do you mean unpacked that little jit?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what you mean.
Speaker 5: I just think Griffith has with him this kind of
Speaker 5: like I'm on a mission bigger than myself, and you know,
Speaker 5: like like there'll be collateral damage along the way, but
Speaker 5: like I'm you know, the band of the Hawk and
Speaker 5: being the best version of this fighting mercenary army is
Speaker 5: like all that matters. So like I don't feel bad
Speaker 5: for the dead people I leave in my wake. I'll
Speaker 5: fight for them in their honor. But like also I'm special.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I think this this kid is
Speaker 2: is a moment that kind of I don't think he
Speaker 2: entirely embodies what you said there, the kind of like
Speaker 2: detached nature of it. I think this kid is partly
Speaker 2: why he becomes that way. I think this is one
Speaker 2: of the few occasions we've seen where the death of
Speaker 2: another person has affected him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think, yeah, you're both kind of right. I
Speaker 1: think I think with Griffith, like he is like he
Speaker 1: is affected by this stuff, but just not enough, like
Speaker 1: not enough for him to change anything.
Speaker 2: He doesn't feel moved by anything ever, right, Like I
Speaker 2: would say that until we see the following scene.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so.
Speaker 5: First because I'm drawing back to also all the ship
Speaker 5: he was saying on the stairs with like my friends
Speaker 5: are my equals and but but he kind of tries
Speaker 5: to have it both ways. He certainly attempts to look
Speaker 5: to some right, I think I know what you're going
Speaker 5: for there, Bud. But yeah, like he totally in one
Speaker 5: one side of them. I will be like, man, I
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give Guts and Casco so much attention and
Speaker 5: time and the idea of like emotional equity, right, and
Speaker 5: then in the next breath out of the other side
Speaker 5: of his about to Charlotte on the stairs be like
Speaker 5: friends are only my equal you know, and you're just like,
Speaker 5: well are well that's a conflict of like your relationship
Speaker 5: with Guts and Casca, Like what's happening here, Bud, What's
Speaker 5: what's going on?
Speaker 2: Anyway? I think both those things are true. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: like I.
Speaker 1: Think Griffith really does care about Guts and Casca like
Speaker 1: a lot but I think he also puts his own
Speaker 1: dream above everything, including them, And I think what makes
Speaker 1: he I think he really cares about Kaska. But I
Speaker 1: think what's kind of uncomfortable about his relationship with Guts
Speaker 1: is that Goots is like one of the few people
Speaker 1: that will not like make him lower his desire for
Speaker 1: his dream, but make him like question just for a second, wait, like.
Speaker 2: Does this dude?
Speaker 1: Is this dude that important to me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Kaska is taking a walk through the courtyard one night
Speaker 1: and she sees Griffith standing in a window and is
Speaker 1: immediately like, hey, Griffith, Hello, Hey, the flashback too, just right,
Speaker 1: flashback yep, only for the King to come up behind
Speaker 1: them because the two are applying the King's bedchambers.
Speaker 2: Griffith is Griffith is very shirtless, when is he not? No?
Speaker 1: I can, I cannot, I cannot overemphasize how little fabric
Speaker 1: there is on this mount upper Torso.
Speaker 2: This is uh, this is one of those where you're like.
Speaker 1: And it's heartbreaking, It's it's really awful, Like especially especially
Speaker 1: I think back to the moment where like Griffith was
Speaker 1: the one comforting Cask about this, like, don't worry about
Speaker 1: this fucking creep with all these boys like just don't
Speaker 1: don't think about it. And now she sees this and
Speaker 1: it's like her her angel, like this this heroic figure
Speaker 1: to her and oh it's it's a fucking good punch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got sponge were laughing at he said, gout sponged.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, Lucy, we gotta be real. It was
Speaker 1: pretty good.
Speaker 2: At the time.
Speaker 4: Look I can see through right now.
Speaker 1: We then get to one of my favorite scenes in
Speaker 1: the entire show.
Speaker 2: Really, I.
Speaker 1: Think it is so beautiful and so sad.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm indeed laid on us.
Speaker 1: So we get we get Griffith bathing completely naked, and
Speaker 1: Caska is like whoa and she kind of runs away
Speaker 1: and he's like, hang on there, Caska, why don't you
Speaker 1: come bathe with me? And she's like no, that's cool,
Speaker 1: and he's like it's because you think I'm disgusting. And
Speaker 1: it's like immediately it's like oh, ship, like this is
Speaker 1: this is going to be kind of rough, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And Caska like gives them the out. She's kind of like, no,
Speaker 1: get it. You guys are just having a tactical meeting
Speaker 1: and your shirt came off. That's that's what happened, right,
Speaker 1: And he's like no, and he lays it out completely
Speaker 1: matter of facts lye, I can have dozens of fights
Speaker 1: and lose x many men, or I could sleep with
Speaker 1: this one dude and get all that money and bring
Speaker 1: us to the next level. And it's like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1: I mean he's not that's the logical, but wow, and
Speaker 1: then it sucks. It's like this moment where you really.
Speaker 5: That song is playing in my head right now, Like
Speaker 5: the music is playing in my head.
Speaker 8: Right, is it that bail it I've got to that's
Speaker 8: as you say it. Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: He's kind of explaining all this very like matter of factly.
Speaker 1: But then his his he gets like a little flash
Speaker 1: of the boy and his fingernails start to dig into
Speaker 1: his arms.
Speaker 5: And tear a skin, very very clean cuts there.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, like just his fingernails, Like what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real nasty.
Speaker 2: Is a moment of of like, this is I think
Speaker 2: this is the first time we see uh Griffith affected
Speaker 2: by what he's doing to realize his dream. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it being morally dubious.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. It's the first time I think we nearly
Speaker 1: see him affected by anything. Like this is the realist
Speaker 1: emotion we ever see from Griffith.
Speaker 2: It's also the first time we see his butt crack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks pretty cool, Like, dude looks immaculate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sick barck crack, and Kaska throws her arms around him,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a very it's a very sad and
Speaker 1: very sweet scene like it's it's it's really beautiful, certainly.
Speaker 1: And then then a second later griffets back and he's
Speaker 1: back in control and he's not upset and everything's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he never happened. He emphasizes that he did
Speaker 2: everything of sound and mind and it was a calculated
Speaker 2: decision on his part just to kind of counter any
Speaker 2: narrative that he's losing the plot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way that, like Kowska says, like even by
Speaker 3: the time he turned around, you know, like that's the
Speaker 3: snap of how quickly he goes back.
Speaker 2: M Yeah.
Speaker 1: He he has that much conviction and drive and it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's such a I think it's like such
Speaker 1: a great like amazingly written insight into this this person
Speaker 1: who just operates on a different level, Like this person
Speaker 1: who has a level of emotional control and drive that
Speaker 1: no regular person.
Speaker 2: Has it's time for your strong software reference of the week.
Speaker 2: I think this is the right time to point out
Speaker 2: that the similarities between Griffith and Michaela the kind in
Speaker 2: Elder Ring, specifically Shadow of the Tree, who is very
Speaker 2: very very much inspired by Guts. Mikaela is like this
Speaker 2: child looking soft, kind of softly presented figure. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and and and is like presented as being like very
Speaker 2: kind and good to people and a figure to be revered.
Speaker 2: And then as you play through er Tree and also
Speaker 2: the original, you start to learn this person might be
Speaker 2: up to some real nasty ship with how they thinking
Speaker 2: about the world around them. So there's an element of
Speaker 2: Griffith in Mikola as well.
Speaker 1: So we cut back and it's here where Caske pretty
Speaker 1: much lays out her entire issue with Guts, and it's
Speaker 1: basically like why you like, why does why are you
Speaker 1: able to pull him from the track like is willing?
Speaker 1: And this is kind of made largely going back to
Speaker 1: its two things, but it's largely going back to when
Speaker 1: Griffith got injured fighting Zod because he Caska blames Guts
Speaker 1: for that and she really just she really has so
Speaker 1: much like anger towards guts and is so furious at
Speaker 1: him for that still because he's kind of he took
Speaker 1: her angel, you know, like that's that's kind of what's
Speaker 1: happened here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also like GRIFFITHI is showing a level of
Speaker 2: interest in him that she hasn't received. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: He never says anything like that. He you know why
Speaker 3: you kind of thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, heavy heavy.
Speaker 1: We then get a shot of three guys in armor
Speaker 1: and I just for the people watching twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: minutes and thirteen seconds into this episode, I just love
Speaker 1: the armor design of these two gents. I think they
Speaker 1: all look terrific.
Speaker 2: They all just like they made their armor themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's right as fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so fun. There was the guy on the left,
Speaker 1: isn't he it's it's yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. They look like they just sort of like found
Speaker 5: scrap metal and we're like, you guys won't call like ninja.
Speaker 2: Turtles a little bit. Yeah. The guy on the right
Speaker 2: is my favorite because it looks like it was like
Speaker 2: his whole like plan was, I'm gonna make myself look
Speaker 2: like a bug, and it's like bug armor. It's weird.
Speaker 5: I thought they were all gonna get got too. I
Speaker 5: thought like Gus was just gonna like snipe them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in head Goods Hans Kaskas and medicine, He's like,
Speaker 1: take this. We're in trouble, that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think I would take medicine from a pouch.
Speaker 5: No, that's how they came though back then they didn't.
Speaker 5: There weren't any bottles.
Speaker 2: Damn, what do you mean then? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: No, like a little plastic bottle that said tailing all
Speaker 5: on the front.
Speaker 3: I mean last one that says tailing on the side.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Leaf for something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like that's it. I were assuming that's a pill.
Speaker 5: It looked like the weight of it seemed like it
Speaker 5: was some sort of powder. Yeah, I thought, I think
Speaker 5: all medicine, if it comes in a pouch is powdered.
Speaker 5: I'm not doing you just are meant to like, I'm
Speaker 5: not doing any pouch powder it.
Speaker 2: Hm, then you're gonna keep that fever. Who knows what happens?
Speaker 2: God damn.
Speaker 1: One episode like just really blows those characters open. I think, yep, real,
Speaker 1: real good. Setting the stage for lots of heat, lots
Speaker 1: of heat rising to the top of this one friends
Speaker 1: see where it all. We're all spreads out, but I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in it to win it. I am fully invested.
Speaker 1: That was my next question, Jeff, how are you feeling
Speaker 1: about Brazik. We're at the halfway just.
Speaker 5: As as deep into it as I can possibly be
Speaker 5: with my entire body and mind. It is Uh yeah,
Speaker 5: one like this is real good storytelling. Uh, even as
Speaker 5: uncomfortable as it might be in certain areas, it's certainly
Speaker 5: been real, real enlightening.
Speaker 2: Real, real good, real, real happy. I'm getting exposed to
Speaker 2: this stuff. Yes, thank you, Okay, gotcha. Good ship, Tom Lucy.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have any thoughts about these two episodes?
Speaker 2: Love them.
Speaker 3: I'm excited for what's next, especially because I just reread it.
Speaker 4: It's fresh in my mind. Yeah, good time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of I think this is the
Speaker 2: first episode that represents what Berzerk is in its entirety
Speaker 2: to a degree. Like it feels like we finally got
Speaker 2: into first gear with this series. The kind of maturity
Speaker 2: and the theme thematic complexity behind it is finally really
Speaker 2: like unfurling. And I think if you watch like Black
Speaker 2: Laws kind of assessment of this episode and how it
Speaker 2: made him feel is a good representation of how the
Speaker 2: rest of the series will go and perhaps even escalate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just don't want anything good to happen to
Speaker 5: Charlotte's mom, you know. I kind of just don't care
Speaker 5: about Charlotte's mom. I kind of just like want just
Speaker 5: want her to like have to like sit down for
Speaker 5: the rest of the season or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think you and Charlotte's mom would get on like
Speaker 1: a house on fire.
Speaker 5: Okay, if you consider that to be a good thing.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, but yeah, I wonder. I wonder
Speaker 5: how the Charlotte ship's gonna shake out too. That's interesting.
Speaker 5: Hmmm mmm, yeah, keep your mouth collectively shut or I yeah,
Speaker 5: come on, you know, come on, folks, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't do it. I can't, you can't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I totally agree. I think there's like a
Speaker 1: deeper layer to Berserk that we tapped into these episodes
Speaker 1: and the Oh boy, I am excited for the journey
Speaker 1: to move forward from here.
Speaker 2: M hm, oh, yes, it's gonna be good. Grub grub bacala.
Speaker 2: Where do you expect it to go from now? Oh, geez,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think I think Griffith is probably going to be
Speaker 5: afforded like noble opportunities, and we'll need to like choose
Speaker 5: between the Hawk and then and the noble people. You know,
Speaker 5: I feel like that's going to come to a head
Speaker 5: in some capacity. I think this also sets the path
Speaker 5: for like cork On not Corcus, for a Casca and Guts. Yeah,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, cork is finally gonna get the
Speaker 5: spotlight that he's that's well overdue. Yeah, him and Popping
Speaker 5: become a mean players in this No, and I and
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I think this certainly colors and intensifies
Speaker 5: and sort of like gives volume to the Guts and
Speaker 5: Casca relationship because now they share something special. And uh yeah,
Speaker 5: I think, uh, I think you've got the nobles and
Speaker 5: Griffith and then the Casca Guts and Griffith thing.
Speaker 2: What do you think what do you think is the
Speaker 2: point of the story, Like where do you think they're
Speaker 2: moving towards? Like what kind of what do you think
Speaker 2: the narrative kind of drive of this is going to be?
Speaker 5: Are you asking like what, I what do I think
Speaker 5: like the main point like the main Yeah, without you know,
Speaker 5: I guess because it kind of does open up a
Speaker 5: possibility to spoilers if you like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, correct me in a certain way or the other. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I guess they're looking for like a new ruler ultimately, right,
Speaker 5: I think like the Midland or whatever this fucking castle is,
Speaker 5: like they need like a new person to like wear
Speaker 5: the crown or some shit like that.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what the.
Speaker 5: Band of Hawk ultimate endgame is, right, Like to me,
Speaker 5: it just seems like this four higher group of merks
Speaker 5: who have to like who've just sort of been installed
Speaker 5: as like the de facto military institution of this castle, right,
Speaker 5: And I don't know what that end game is, but
Speaker 5: certainly like yeah, and then and then I don't want
Speaker 5: to forget about the whole fucking Red egg whatever the
Speaker 5: fuck you know?
Speaker 2: That seems like a thing that that.
Speaker 5: Seems like a thing that's going to show up in
Speaker 5: a major way in the in the last couple of
Speaker 5: acts here, I would imagine has a pivotal impact on
Speaker 5: the grand scheme of things as well.
Speaker 4: I guess Red egg.
Speaker 5: What show show your Red Eggs, bring your Red Eggs
Speaker 5: to the next episode just in time.
Speaker 2: For reasons, we should mention that I think we talked
Speaker 2: about it last episode.
Speaker 1: Just get in here because I think another episode should
Speaker 1: be releasing before it.
Speaker 5: But we will there should be yes, Yes, that is right, folks,
Speaker 5: Packs East Boston, twenty twenty five, there will be a
Speaker 5: Jeff Jeff's Bizarre Adventure panel Friday, May ninth, at five
Speaker 5: thirty pm Eastern time. We don't know exactly which hall
Speaker 5: that is just yet officially, but you can go to
Speaker 5: the Pack's website and find out all the information you
Speaker 5: need before you arrive in Boston. But that's right, John,
Speaker 5: thank you for bringing it up. There will be a panel.
Speaker 5: All four of us will be there. It's going to
Speaker 5: be amazing. Make sure you come if you can. I
Speaker 5: am very excited.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to meet John.
Speaker 1: I know it's so weird, like, oh, we're.
Speaker 5: Actually gonna We're actually gonna have that happen for the
Speaker 5: first time at the start.
Speaker 2: Of the panel.
Speaker 5: We're all getting there a few days ahead of time,
Speaker 5: but we're gonna avoid each other.
Speaker 1: Yep, for sure. I'm like four foot three just see
Speaker 1: you guys know.
Speaker 2: I can vouch John. John is very small.
Speaker 4: I'm taller than you might think, but not by much.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: It's it's gonna be fresh and new for everyone, for all,
Speaker 5: for all the all the people on the podcast.
Speaker 2: It's wo be huge.
Speaker 1: Can people find you here?
Speaker 2: Find me on the internet, tomorrog, This is James. Where
Speaker 2: can people find you?
Speaker 4: Might use the name Everywhere is Lucy James.
Speaker 1: Games, Jeff Bakalar.
Speaker 5: Please find me on Blue Sky I'm at Jeff dot
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Speaker 2: That's me rhyme.
Speaker 1: Also find me on blue Sky.
Speaker 2: Funds. Mainly just stressing out over a weird dog that
Speaker 2: lives in my house right now.
Speaker 1: But we'll see guys. Thank you so much for joining
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