WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.679 The following presentation is a Del Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:29.239 When You Love Me on the Sky? Do you Feel? 3 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.960 The poll the question why. 4 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:41.119 The story is told and left behind in shadows where the. 5 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:42.560 Truth we find. 6 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:49.280 They built their tales on grafts and lines. 7 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.840 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. 8 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:55.799 It's time for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast. 9 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:58.560 I'm your host is always George Hobbes. I hope everybody 10 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:01.880 had a great week, and just a couple of reminders 11 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.920 before we get started with our guest Nelson Number one. 12 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:07.400 Please do stop by the website. 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Again, that is fe 22 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.079 filesguest at gmail dot com and the link is on 23 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:45.319 the website and it's also in the show notes of 24 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:49.000 the podcast, and without any further ado, let's jump right 25 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:50.879 into it and get to our special guest today, and 26 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:51.799 it's Nelson Nelson. 27 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:53.000 Thanks so much for joining us. 28 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:55.519 Yeah, thanks for having me. 29 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:58.280 Absolutely to be here and it's a pleasure to have you. 30 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.120 And before we get too deep into the conversation, please 31 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.239 feel free to take a few moments and introduce yourself 32 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:03.840 to the audience. 33 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.120 Yeah, so my name is Nelson Arm the infantry veteran. 34 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:17.599 Let's see where do we even start. Basically, if you 35 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:21.520 ask somebody about me, they will tell you that every 36 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:28.840 conversation I have basically ends in a conspiracy, because you know, 37 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:33.560 they're all interconnected, they're not independent of each other. It's 38 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:37.159 just like a big spider web, and once you're able 39 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:43.759 to see it, you can't stop seeing it. And it's 40 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.800 like every branch of the tree is just visible. And 41 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.639 I usually make it known, you know, I usually form 42 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:56.599 it in like a sentence or like a question and 43 00:02:57.680 --> 00:02:59.080 try to just get people thinking. 44 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.560 And that's awesome that you actually do that. There's a 45 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:05.639 lot of people who are wide awake, but there may 46 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.199 be a little embarrassed or don't want to be ridiculed 47 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.520 in trying to share the truth, and it's important that, 48 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:12.960 especially at this stage of the game. We were talking 49 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.719 a little bit beforehand about the precarious situation we are 50 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:18.919 in the world with an election just six weeks out 51 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.159 and Russia, Ukraine, Israel. 52 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.240 I mean, just there's so much going on. 53 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.840 That also something that I didn't mention before, Nelson, I 54 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.719 do think we are going to have a major financial 55 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:32.120 issue here in October as well. The stock market is 56 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.120 nowhere a true reflection of our current economy. 57 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:36.840 But we'll see. You know, we can sit here and 58 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:38.879 predict all day long. Just be ready. 59 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:43.159 And something you said that really resonated with me, and 60 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:45.719 I'm not sure I really realized it until I got 61 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.800 to Flat Earth is that every single conspiracy is tied together. 62 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:51.400 And that's when I realized. 63 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:55.879 That these conspiracies aren't just of worldly things. That is, 64 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.560 it's a spiritual battle. It's good versus evil. And that's 65 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:02.439 when I really I think I was fully wide awake. 66 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:03.360 Would you agree with that. 67 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:09.800 Yes, across all spectrums, spiritual. 68 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.840 One hundred percent, one hundred percent. What would you say 69 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.160 was the first thing that woke you up? Was the 70 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.279 first quote unquote conspiracy that that you kind of came to. 71 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:27.439 Mm hmmm. Uh. You know when I was when nine 72 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:31.439 to eleven happened, I kind of felt like I was 73 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:33.800 just like nine or ten years old, but I couldn't 74 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.399 take it serious. It just didn't seem it didn't seem 75 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:45.199 authentic or organic, like how they tried to paint the 76 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:49.720 picture to us. So I wasn't really surprised once I 77 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:58.600 started getting into nine to eleven, figuring out all the 78 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:03.439 all the documentary that I watched on that, still trying 79 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:09.079 to really figure out what exactly happened, like because I 80 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.680 don't know if you've seen the pictures of or like 81 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.879 the videos of the plane going through the building and 82 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.839 then entering the like leaving the other side of the building, 83 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:22.240 but the nose of the plane is still intact. Have 84 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:23.279 you seen that I have? 85 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.079 I have, indeed, Yeah. 86 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:31.639 And so there's that, and then there's the DBC reporter 87 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:35.399 reporting that Building seven have already fallen when it's literally 88 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:42.560 right behind her. Yep. So just things like that. I 89 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.399 think being in the military opened my eyes to a 90 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:48.759 lot of it, like especially like when I've deployed overseas 91 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:53.079 and then I came home. It's like switch was flipped 92 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.720 in me. And I was just able to notice the 93 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:04.240 things that were happening. I guess, like just poisonous food, 94 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:12.680 like I don't know, things of that nature. I got 95 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.240 really big gig into two conspiracies. 96 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:21.399 That's interesting because my time in the military kind of 97 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:23.639 led to my awakening. I had a similar experience with 98 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:25.800 you when I saw nine to eleven. When I witnessed 99 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.800 it that day September eleventh, two thousand and one, something 100 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:33.000 didn't seem right about it. But my life became so 101 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.040 busy I didn't have the time to sit down and 102 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.839 think about it, and maybe I compartmentalized it because of 103 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.279 the situation I was in, being in the military, and 104 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:43.399 I didn't really take the time to look into it 105 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:47.279 after I retired in the fall of twenty fifteen. But 106 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.040 for me, similar to yourself, the first one I kind 107 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:53.759 of bumped into. I think it was loose change. It 108 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.920 kind of opened my eyes. And then years after reading 109 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.920 whether it be Behold a Pale Horrors or Manley p. 110 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.959 Hall stuff for certain videos and you go down these 111 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.639 rabbit holes and you look at Larry Silverstein and he's 112 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:09.319 got a connection to this guy, and he's got a 113 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.800 connect and it's like, oh, my God, They're all connected, 114 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:16.639 and that's why it's so important to have these conversations 115 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.360 and talk about the spiritual side of it. So at 116 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:22.079 what point did you come upon Flat Earth? 117 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:26.800 So I came across Flat Earth files. I think it 118 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:31.879 was in January of this year, is when I started 119 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:37.680 listening to it because it didn't What I liked about 120 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:39.439 it was it didn't have like a bunch of ads 121 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.120 in the middle, like, it wasn't broke up like it 122 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:44.480 was just a straight through conversation once you got into 123 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:48.759 the conversation. So I liked that aspect of it. 124 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:52.680 Yeah, I'm glad I set that because I have the 125 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.519 option to do that, but I think it takes away 126 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:56.120 from the message, and in this day and age, I 127 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.240 think the message is more important than a few extra dollars. 128 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:06.199 Yeah, that was just one of the key things something 129 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:09.120 that I like to listen to, like when I'm laying down, 130 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:14.680 going to bed, trying to wind down, relax whatever. And yeah, 131 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:18.920 I was, I was really listening to, like I like 132 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.879 listening to like a lot of like just regular people 133 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:25.920 guests who are talking about and thinking about the same 134 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.000 things and making the same connections that I'm making. So 135 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:30.720 I really like that aspect too. 136 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:38.159 In your initial email you had mentioned something that I 137 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:39.840 don't I'm not sure if we talk about enough on 138 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.039 this podcast, and that are that is I should say 139 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:45.000 the documents. 140 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:47.000 Rob Skiba was one. 141 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.840 Of the folks who have disclosed it, as well as 142 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.720 justin Nemos on the SERAPM dot com which and this 143 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.960 is another thing. When I was in a unit we 144 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:04.039 had seven blacklack Hawks. It said that it is treated 145 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.399 the Earth is treated as flat and motionless and NASA 146 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.679 as a document, it's NASA Reference Publication twelve oh seven, 147 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.679 dated August nineteen eighty eight, page thirty clearly states that 148 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.519 this report derives and defines a set of linearized system 149 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:25.039 matrices for a rigid aircraft of constant mass. And here 150 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:29.039 we go flying in a stationary atmosphere over a flat, 151 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.759 non ratating earth. So they always you were in the military, 152 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:34.799 They told us we train as we fight, right, so 153 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:36.120 why would they specify this? 154 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.240 And that's the question I like to bring up to people, 155 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:45.159 is I like to I like to lead them in 156 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.159 and say, you know, Nations the authority on space, right 157 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:50.879 they tell me yes, I say, okay, we should listen 158 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.639 to them because they're the authority, right, They tell me yes, 159 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.799 and I say, so, why what about these documents say 160 00:09:58.840 --> 00:10:00.679 that the Earth is a flat mode from this plane? 161 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:04.519 Should we listen to them now? And they say no, no, 162 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.279 you know, I don't know what that is. And I'm 163 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:10.039 just like, so we're picking and choosing what we want 164 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:15.960 to listen to and see, because in my theory, is 165 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:21.799 is okay in court? You know, what NASA says to 166 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.879 us could just be considered hearsay, but what they write 167 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.120 down on documents on paper could be taken as evidence. 168 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:32.840 So I tend to go with what the documents say 169 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:38.360 because if we were in court, the documents would would 170 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:43.480 have weight and all of the all of the other 171 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:48.799 talk would could just be considered hearsay. So any thoughts 172 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:50.159 on that, that's a great point. 173 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.960 They want hard evidence in court, right hearsay, and you 174 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.080 know third party evidence will only get you so far. 175 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.960 Here's another one. This is from the FAA and they 176 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:04.240 wrote a document entitled the Engineering, Analysis and Design of 177 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:08.919 the Aircraft Dynamics Dynamics Model for the FFA Target Generation Facility, 178 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.360 and on page thirty two it states, and I'm reading 179 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:15.200 directly from the document, so in other words, for all 180 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.559 intents and purposes, unless you were traveling above mock three 181 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.440 or intend to travel into low Earth orbit or higher, 182 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.240 then you should just consider the Earth to be flat. 183 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:26.879 And again, if. 184 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:31.960 The Earth was truly curved, why would you even entertain this? 185 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.600 You know? And so so you said that in those 186 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.639 in those black Hawk helicopters they had the flat motionless 187 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.679 plane in the in the manuals yep, is that where 188 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:46.039 you saw that? 189 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:46.360 Yeah? 190 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.519 And that was I was with them from ninety six 191 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.799 to ninety nine. I wish I would have kept one. 192 00:11:53.320 --> 00:12:00.600 Yeah. And in the Rob Sciba documents, he has found 193 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:05.080 the US Army was trying to create or invent a 194 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:12.039 new helicopter and they tried to invent it using a 195 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:15.279 globe Earth model and could not do it. The only 196 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.480 way they can make the helicopter was by using the 197 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.840 flat motionless plane Earth model. Really, which is interesting. 198 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:27.639 I had not heard that. I'm gonna have to do 199 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:30.200 some research. It might have been. I know they're talking 200 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.399 about the Bell V two eighty, which is supposed to 201 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:36.320 be the next new attack helicopter. 202 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:41.519 But you know, so where that information is that is 203 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:48.200 on bitch shoe. If you searched Rob Skiba. I think 204 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:53.159 it's NASA, CIA, US Army and Russia documents. You can 205 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.799 find it, and he goes over all four of them. 206 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.919 Like what you said about NASA. He talks about the 207 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:05.600 helicopters from the US Army, he talks about the He 208 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.840 pulls up and shows you all these documents, the ones 209 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:10.840 from the CIA that show that the Earth is a flat, 210 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:17.519 motionless plane, and even documents from Russia back in I 211 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.960 don't know, the forties or fifties. You know, at some 212 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.480 point back then we all had already thought we knew 213 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:27.799 that the Earth was flat, or that the Earth was 214 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.799 a glow. But here Russia is trying to figure it out, 215 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.879 and they came. They came to find out that it 216 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:40.559 was flat. So at this point I just know what 217 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:43.799 it is. So it just it is what it is. 218 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:49.320 And there's try to get as many people on board, 219 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:55.240 but you know, they'll find out on their own at 220 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:57.679 some point, probably, don't you think you would? 221 00:13:57.679 --> 00:13:57.879 Hope? 222 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:01.120 So if you leave enough breadcrumbs and you know, maybe 223 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:05.639 we'll take another COVID type of not necessarily a flu, 224 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:08.720 but another major event that they overplay their hands so 225 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:10.519 much that people wake up to it. 226 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:13.559 I do see quite a bit of people. 227 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:17.399 You've listened to the podcast, You've heard how COVID woke 228 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.000 a lot of people up, and I get by the way, 229 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:21.840 I did find that video on bit shoot. I'll embed 230 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:26.519 that on the website when your podcast goes live. Looking 231 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:30.159 forward to that and oh my goodness, where was that going. 232 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:32.720 Covid? 233 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:35.240 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well how was that for you? 234 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.919 With covid? You know those years twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. 235 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:44.080 Okay, So in the beginning, my biggest concern was the 236 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:47.279 government is not going to shut down and I'm not 237 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.440 going to get my disability check. That's what I thought. 238 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:57.200 That didn't happen. There was an initial anxiety about, you know, 239 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.840 maybe I'm not going to get paid my disability checks 240 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:06.519 the treasury. So I was just worried about that. But 241 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.120 like as time went on, I think I wore a 242 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:15.120 mask initially just you know, I didn't know what was 243 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:19.840 happening at first. But once I found out about what 244 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:22.240 was it the summit they had had, like a big 245 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:28.559 summit in October event to a one. Yes, Once I 246 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:36.519 found out about that, and we started seeing that the 247 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:40.879 inconsistencies of no mask and now you need to have one, 248 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.039 and you know, I could have swore they promised us 249 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:47.840 two million people were gonna die. I could have swore 250 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:51.960 I heard that. And when I didn't see it, I 251 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:55.399 was like, Okay, this is getting ridiculous if it was, 252 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:59.919 you know, because I was in homeless shelters. COVID put 253 00:15:59.919 --> 00:16:05.759 me through a homeless shelter in Dallas and in Denver, Colorado, 254 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:10.600 and I didn't see people dropping, dying or anything like that. 255 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.320 So I was like, this can't be what they say 256 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.799 it is, because if it were, all these homeless people 257 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:20.240 would be really sick, and I didn't see any of that, 258 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.200 and I would have gotten really sick because I was 259 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:25.320 living in it and it never happened. 260 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.039 I'll tell you what. Denver's a beautiful city. But I 261 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:31.039 couldn't imagine being homeless there in the winter. 262 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.320 Oh yeah, yeah, Well I wasn't on the streets homeless 263 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:42.200 there in the winter. I was in a what they 264 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:48.559 give veterans, some sort of contracted homeless shelter bed. Okay, 265 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.919 so thankfully I had that going for me. But people 266 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.399 do freeze to death on the sidewalks outside of a 267 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.320 homeless shelter in Denver in the wintertime. That does happen. 268 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.679 So let me ask you this question, and I promise 269 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:04.480 not to get too far off topic. I'll come right 270 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.240 back to the flat earth. But we're here, and I 271 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:08.920 really want to ask this question. Does it bother you 272 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:10.559 at all to see all the money going out to 273 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.759 Ukraine and to the people come across the. 274 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:16.079 Border, and. 275 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.640 There are many many people who to our listeners who's 276 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.359 never been in the military. I can't tell you a 277 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:28.559 more difficult thing was trans for me, transitioning from the 278 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:31.079 military back to the civilian sector, and then for the 279 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:35.359 folks who just struggle and go through difficult times where 280 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.880 the money doesn't go to the veterans. And you know, 281 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.599 I'm not saying veterans entitled to certain things, but I 282 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.680 certainly think that our veterans should be entitled to care 283 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.960 and money before say Ukraine and Israel and the people 284 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:50.119 who may be here illegally. 285 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:51.200 What are your thoughts on that. 286 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.480 I agree without one hundred percent, but I would you 287 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.799 can take it a little bit further and say that 288 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:02.759 we could have used that money that we give to Ukraine, Israel, 289 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.839 all the people coming across our borders, we could have 290 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:12.400 fixed all of the areas in our country that are 291 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:18.440 below standard. We could have we could have used that 292 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:21.839 on our own people. Why we didn't do that? I 293 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.359 mean that just goes to show you that what really 294 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:27.640 is money. They just print whatever. It's all just ones 295 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.920 and zero's made out of nothing. If they can, if 296 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.119 they can come up with those numbers to give to 297 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:38.359 Ukraine and everybody else, they could create those numbers to 298 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.519 help people here, but you know, they just choose not to. 299 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:46.519 So yeah, that's a great point. I live an hour 300 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.640 away from Baltimore. That city could use a lot of money. 301 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.599 Saint Louis, you know, California. I think their problems are internal. 302 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:55.920 They need to fix that before they try to fix anything. 303 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:59.319 That's like bluing a glass house back together. I'm not 304 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:01.240 saying that it can't be done, but a lot of 305 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.599 the problems we do have is just the corrupt politicians. 306 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:05.519 You write them a check and they end up giving 307 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:07.799 it to their buddies and you know how it goes. 308 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.079 It's just such a corrupt world. But I one hundred 309 00:19:10.119 --> 00:19:12.880 percent agree with you that you got to fix your 310 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.039 home before you can fix somebody else's. 311 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:15.359 Right. 312 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:20.759 But as far as better as go, you know, the 313 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:27.240 VA has given me plenty of opportunity and to fix 314 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:31.319 my situation, which I have done. Some people say they 315 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:37.119 want help, but they won't help themselves. So uh, it's 316 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.559 really just on an individual cass. I mean, I'm a 317 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.440 success story. I've seen other success stories and I've seen 318 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:47.079 other people fail. It just depends. Some people love being 319 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.880 in the streets. It doesn't matter how much resources you 320 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:50.599 throw at them. 321 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:54.720 Yeah, I've seen that in firsthand. That's just the way 322 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:56.720 they like it. And some people just say they don't. 323 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.440 They just enjoy the freedom of it. I'm sure there's 324 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.039 you know, a plethora of players under that onion, but yeah, 325 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:06.400 I've seen that first stand. But that's awesome to hear 326 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.640 your success story, and man, I'm so thankful that you're 327 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:11.119 you're in a better place now. 328 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:14.000 Yeah, totally me too. 329 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.799 Uh So, getting back to the flat earth, I want 330 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.319 to get to the you had talked about the three camps, 331 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:23.480 and we'll get to that, but first I'd like to 332 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:26.279 ask you what were some of the more convincing pieces 333 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:28.200 of evidence that led you to believe, yeah, we're on 334 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:28.880 a flat earth. 335 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:39.559 I think I heard somewhere down the line that you 336 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:45.039 can't really find truth. All you can do is look 337 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.960 for man, I forget how how it goes. But it's 338 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:53.279 like I've found the truth by by just like all 339 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:59.880 the lives. It's like there's just I started to notice 340 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:04.440 all the lives were being told so many, so many 341 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.880 documentaries about NASA going to the Moon. I don't believe 342 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:17.160 that for a second. And after shifting through so many 343 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.079 of those lies, like I'm trying to even think about them, 344 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:24.039 Like what is it the Challenger mission where they blew 345 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:28.799 up all the astronauts yep, but they all have like 346 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:33.640 identical twins and talk the same and have the same 347 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.400 jobs and name some of them yep. So there's that. 348 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:43.079 There's the moon landings, you know, that just looks you 349 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.599 would think all the astronauts would come back and be 350 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.480 super pumped like rock stars, you know, getting all the 351 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:54.079 girls and all the endorsements and advertisements. But they were 352 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:57.279 just totally bummed out because they were lying and they 353 00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:59.599 knew that they were lying, and you can see it 354 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:00.759 written all over their face. 355 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:05.160 Yeah I would if I was on that Apollo eleven mission, 356 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.400 I would be every commercial, even back in the late sixties, 357 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:14.160 you know, And it's just they look like they were 358 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.039 at the funeral when they had that press conference, and 359 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:19.640 they will have conflicting stories, and of course we've mentioned 360 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:23.119 many times Neil Armstrong, he just you know, more or 361 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:25.680 less drank himself to death just to kind of numb. 362 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.119 I believe personally, it's just me personally, I believe he's 363 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.200 just trumbing, trying to numb his guilt. 364 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:35.640 Yeah, and his conscious telling him that he's part of 365 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:42.039 a big lie, and it's a lie that matters. Just 366 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.480 people ask me, why does it matter what we're off 367 00:22:46.640 --> 00:22:48.960 flat or globe, And it's like, because of all the money, 368 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.559 all the tax money, all the federal income tax money 369 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:57.920 that allegedly we pay that goes to NASA, Like that's 370 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:01.039 why it matters, because wouldn't everybody you'd like to have 371 00:23:01.119 --> 00:23:07.799 some more money instead of being you know, having to 372 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.319 pay all this money through the federal reserves, who does 373 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.880 whatever they want with our money. Like we're being worked 374 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.240 to death behind the lie. That's why it matters. In 375 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:18.319 my opinions. 376 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.000 Yeah, it's really well said. And I think too many 377 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.160 people today just believe as long as my little neck 378 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:27.160 of the woods is going well, and I have a 379 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.559 good paying job and I have my Netflix and my 380 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:33.000 football on Saturday and Sunday that they really don't want 381 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:36.640 to rock the boat because in a world of trillions, 382 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:38.720 we hear every day in billions, and then you tell 383 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.319 somebody it's seventy million dollars a day and they're like, well, 384 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.279 and then really, if you calculate the I need to 385 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.000 sit down and figure out how much NASA's received since 386 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:53.039 their inception. But what has NASA done for us in 387 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.880 their sixty years and hundreds of billions of dollars? What 388 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:00.480 have they done for us? 389 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:05.079 Well, they've they've given us the illusion that we're number 390 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:08.599 one and that we're all powerful because we had the 391 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.799 technology to go to the Moon that they accidentally taped 392 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:16.359 over and destroyed. So it must not have been that important. 393 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:18.960 I tell my friends, how was it that we went 394 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.559 to the moon on July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine. But 395 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:23.319 if I go too high in the mountains, I lose 396 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:31.279 my serious XM satellite feed and GPS gets wonky. It's 397 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:33.920 just none of it makes And I said that one time, 398 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:35.799 and somebody got a right sent me I rate email 399 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.880 talking about the actual numbers behind satellites and why I 400 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:45.319 lost my signal. And some people are just really, and 401 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:49.160