Speaker 1: Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Eye on the Ball here
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and today
Speaker 1: with me is who are you Lamont Honley.
Speaker 2: I'll be Lamont today.
Speaker 1: Yes, great, great and great to have Lamont Hunley in
Speaker 1: here today. My guy Kobe in to help me out here.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping you can hear us because Ris is another
Speaker 1: day where I got the control of the controls and
Speaker 1: we'll see how much control I have. Good you see,
Speaker 1: Good to see you la month. Have you recovered from
Speaker 1: Saturday's game?
Speaker 2: I have not. I have not.
Speaker 3: I'm still feeling what I felt. Oh wow, I had
Speaker 3: to kick off the kick off the game, and you know,
Speaker 3: I stayed the whole game, and I watched the whole game,
Speaker 3: and I'm just going into it. You can just feel
Speaker 3: something uneasy about it. Before the game started. The game
Speaker 3: even okay, I was with my brothers and stuff. We
Speaker 3: was watching and and he, my younger brother, made a comment,
Speaker 3: he said, they don't look good.
Speaker 2: They don't look like they energize. Did it play?
Speaker 3: And I and my comment was this, they got the
Speaker 3: red jerseys on, you know, and that's you know, and
Speaker 3: they got the white jerseys on. So in my head,
Speaker 3: you know, the red make you a little a little
Speaker 3: bit laid back and okay, okay, and not heat.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and he saw that, he saw that, you know,
Speaker 3: the morale that was out on the field of kids,
Speaker 3: even in warm ups.
Speaker 1: So living in the road just real quick. So you
Speaker 1: guys go together, when you guys watch games, do it together? Right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So I'm sure did you in your head think, well,
Speaker 1: when have they looked energized? I'm not I'm not gone
Speaker 1: to put it in the words in your mouth, but
Speaker 1: throughout the whole year we saw each other at at
Speaker 1: the casino maybe a month ago. What you use the
Speaker 1: word disappointment on it, and it is nothing's changed at
Speaker 1: that point. You know, you're right, the disappointment is still there.
Speaker 3: But the hope, I mean, every every game I go to,
Speaker 3: there's always that hope.
Speaker 1: But but when you went to the games live, there
Speaker 1: must have been two or three two games at least
Speaker 1: since the last saw you a month ago. Did you
Speaker 1: see that energy then in between?
Speaker 3: No? Well exactly, I take that back live. You're right,
Speaker 3: we haven't seen the energy, that energy. But when we
Speaker 3: did play, I forgive Houston, it was defensively. I think
Speaker 3: the energy level was much higher than I have seen
Speaker 3: all year, you know, And and that energy comes from
Speaker 3: when you create turnobs. I mean, you make something excite,
Speaker 3: exciting on the defensive side of the ball. And every
Speaker 3: game that we played this year, if that took place,
Speaker 3: you saw that energy level, excitement happen, give the ball
Speaker 3: to the offense in the right side of the field.
Speaker 3: But we haven't seen that happen most definite at home.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And guys like you and you were honest
Speaker 1: a month or so ago talking about how disappointed you were.
Speaker 1: I had David and Byron your guys in earlier throughout
Speaker 1: the weekends, and they say, I told him, you said that.
Speaker 1: He says, well, I guess, so all the guys should
Speaker 1: feel disappointed.
Speaker 2: It hurts. I mean it hurts.
Speaker 3: And and you know what would hurt more if the
Speaker 3: players that's still on this team and the coaching staff
Speaker 3: that's still part of this team, if they don't feel
Speaker 3: how we feel or worse, then we got issues, no
Speaker 3: question issues at that point in time, because they're the
Speaker 3: ones who really got to fix this mess.
Speaker 1: And it's a mess, right it's gotta start. Did you
Speaker 1: listen to Brent on Saturday.
Speaker 2: I did not. I did not.
Speaker 1: He was very candid, very forthright to blame him. He's disappointed.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, we've known that for a long time. Right,
Speaker 1: he's the head coach, right, he's the one that's calling
Speaker 1: the shots, and you know how I feel he just
Speaker 1: doesn't show that energy right that you guys were talking about.
Speaker 1: Maybe I see it differently in a coach, correct, and
Speaker 1: maybe the kids follow that right.
Speaker 3: And as you and I have spoken to, we don't
Speaker 3: know what goes on behind closing right, to be fair,
Speaker 3: to be fair to him, we have no idea what
Speaker 3: goes on behind closed doors. And you know, and we
Speaker 3: had to have coaches that show that energy, and Tucson
Speaker 3: didn't like those Doyle of coaches. So we really don't
Speaker 3: know what Brendan does behind closed door. But I can't
Speaker 3: only imagine this guy has to hurt all the time,
Speaker 3: you know, and and and and to stand in front
Speaker 3: of the Republic and got to defend himself.
Speaker 2: I mean that that has to says a lot.
Speaker 1: Too, So that given that happened, shouldn't that piss you off?
Speaker 1: And say, I'm going to make some changes, and we
Speaker 1: know that they're going to be changes. But I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, he mentioned looking at the mirror, blah blah blah. Okay, Laman,
Speaker 1: you're a good dude. I know you're a good dude.
Speaker 1: I don't know you outside of my our arrangements, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, You're a good dude. Can you get pissed off?
Speaker 1: Can you be a different dude when you need to?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So that's the that's the something needs to happen.
Speaker 3: And I and I pray that that's the type of
Speaker 3: coach we have in Britain. You know that he knows
Speaker 3: and and and we'll go see the pissed off if
Speaker 3: he make a change in his culture staff. And I
Speaker 3: think there should be changes made in the coaching staff.
Speaker 3: I'm one of those guys that think that players are
Speaker 3: a product of their coaches who coaching them. I want
Speaker 3: to go there with you to you know, in regards
Speaker 3: to the actual style that you play on the field, Okay,
Speaker 3: being prepared day in and day out, play in and
Speaker 3: play out, it's a reflection of the actual coach who's
Speaker 3: coaching you.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 1: You said this before three, you said this about two bunchs.
Speaker 2: Ago and I can go down.
Speaker 3: I can go down the coaching staff and look at
Speaker 3: the players, their product, their production this year, this year,
Speaker 3: you know, and probably can make an assumption of who
Speaker 3: should stay who should not.
Speaker 1: Are you giving me more than three names?
Speaker 2: I can give you more than three.
Speaker 1: Well, it's almost a clean house. Well you know five
Speaker 1: ish now I.
Speaker 2: Have said three three, three four.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's not a clean house, but it's it's
Speaker 1: a significant amount, and.
Speaker 2: It should be.
Speaker 3: I mean, when you're four and eight, there should be
Speaker 3: a significant no argument here, A lot of changes should place.
Speaker 3: He can't fire himself, he can't fire the kids. So
Speaker 3: the next person in line has to go in order
Speaker 3: to make those changes and see those changes take place,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh and I foresee that coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think we all do. It became public
Speaker 1: history that there was going to be some changes. I
Speaker 1: don't know who. You can guess and I could guess,
Speaker 1: but we'll wait till we hear from from him and
Speaker 1: or them. We talked about disappointment. We talked about I
Speaker 1: just didn't see enough energy throughout the whole year. You
Speaker 1: know how I felt a just energy and just kind
Speaker 1: of no motivation. And let me ask you something, because
Speaker 1: coming in were a lot of high hopes right from
Speaker 1: last year, especially especially, did everyone I'll say everyone miscalculate
Speaker 1: the talent they had.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: I think the talent they had and the talent they
Speaker 3: missed that they lost. I think that was that there
Speaker 3: was some hopes there, you know, offensively, I mean losing
Speaker 3: a couple of guys on an offensive line as well
Speaker 3: as I'm not talking about injuries before the yeah, and
Speaker 3: the tight end and went to the NFL. Colwyn who
Speaker 3: went to the NFL. I mean those some key players
Speaker 3: there and then Coman then a back right huge.
Speaker 2: I thought that was huge, huge, you know.
Speaker 3: You know, so you lose that talent and of course
Speaker 3: you lose some talent on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 3: so you know, with that in mind, I think Tucson
Speaker 3: still was expecting a ten and two team sure or
Speaker 3: was it eleven and two right with with the bowl game?
Speaker 3: So they were respected eleven two teams, you know, ten
Speaker 3: plus win team. You know, the reality we didn't have
Speaker 3: the talented to get to six obviously, but I expected six.
Speaker 2: Truth expected six. I expect us to be in a
Speaker 2: bowl game this year.
Speaker 3: We should be talking about a bowl game and not
Speaker 3: about what took place.
Speaker 1: So you hang out with a different crowds than I do,
Speaker 1: at more different crowds than most people, because you know
Speaker 1: it's guys, and you're friends with a lot of the
Speaker 1: your businessmen locally, you know, stuff like that. I know
Speaker 1: you don't give up. You're not going to give up
Speaker 1: under any condition, right, Uh, your buddies.
Speaker 3: Some have even really, Yeah, I think some guys have
Speaker 3: given up, you know, in regards to hope on giving
Speaker 3: up on the coach right himself. Some guys have given
Speaker 3: up naturally on the team in that case. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that there has been people who have got to this
Speaker 3: point where you know, enough's enough, right, right? But but
Speaker 3: but I'm not there. Yeah, I don't think I could
Speaker 3: ever be that.
Speaker 1: No, you're not that type of fan because you're you're
Speaker 1: a former guy. You want to see them succeed, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do we live in a time when and I would
Speaker 1: you and I talked a lot about this before. So
Speaker 1: then another getting paid. They may be getting paid better
Speaker 1: than you.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're getting paid better than me. So they're
Speaker 1: getting paid. Do you think that that's enough for the
Speaker 1: kids today, or that you don't have to show out
Speaker 1: now even though because hey, I'm getting mine.
Speaker 3: When you said enough for the kids, because they getting played,
Speaker 3: they paid.
Speaker 1: Paid, you know, do they have that motivation to say, okay,
Speaker 1: I want to be better. I got mind coming in.
Speaker 1: I'm okay.
Speaker 2: You know what. Unfortunately, that's the mindset of this generation.
Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, and that's so we can't
Speaker 3: just put the finger on you know, the athletes that
Speaker 3: get played. I think it's a generation problem. You know
Speaker 3: that people want it now and they should get it now.
Speaker 3: They expect it now. So that's a generation problem to me.
Speaker 3: But I'm still a believer that who you are is
Speaker 3: a product of your household. And if you come from
Speaker 3: a steady, committed household, especially a household that's you know,
Speaker 3: say that someone's giving you an education, first and foremost,
Speaker 3: you go do the right thing because they are giving you.
Speaker 3: I'm appreciating the opportunity to get this education, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: So you do what you need to do, you know,
Speaker 3: day in and day out, to show your appreciation for
Speaker 3: that education that you're receiving. Everything else is gravy. I
Speaker 3: used to know the cake, you know, So that that's
Speaker 3: to me, what kind of household you come from. And
Speaker 3: that's gonna show the type of people if I'm a coach,
Speaker 3: that's the type of person I'm gonna try to recruit,
Speaker 3: you know, someone who's they know, they deserve it, and
Speaker 3: everything else is icing on the cake, you know, and
Speaker 3: they're gonna they're gonna give there all day in and
Speaker 3: day out to make sure their self is better as
Speaker 3: well as his team's sure.
Speaker 1: Sure, Now, finding those kids that do that is.
Speaker 3: The problem, but that's their jobs. That's the coaching job.
Speaker 1: Did you I don't know if you heard my show
Speaker 1: with Coach Lopez here maybe two weeks ago, three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: did you fantastic? I think the world will ended opus?
Speaker 1: He talked about ones, twos, and threes, And you want
Speaker 1: the ones. You love the ones. There's fantastic talent, they
Speaker 1: work their butt off, blah blah blah. You don't want
Speaker 1: twos because the twos want to be they think they're
Speaker 1: ones ones and they're not ones, right, And you love
Speaker 1: threes because they're just they're just the dogs because they
Speaker 1: want to be ones, but they don't have that talent.
Speaker 1: But they'll do anything for you one to become a one. Right,
Speaker 1: So those twos, so now they got to go after
Speaker 1: the threes and the ones because I'm sure, well, you
Speaker 1: know what the twos that were here. If there are twos,
Speaker 1: how did chance to be ones? Because there was plenty
Speaker 1: of opportunity because the ones, because cons were either hurt
Speaker 1: or left.
Speaker 2: Yep, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: So again it goes back to the type of kid
Speaker 3: that you're recruiting that you're bringing into your system and
Speaker 3: you're bringing into your program. You know, So I believe
Speaker 3: everything that you know, Coach Lopez said in regards to
Speaker 3: that that thinking, you know, because I would want threes
Speaker 3: and I'll make them one.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you guys when you played, were a
Speaker 1: bunch of a lot of threes with a lot of ones,
Speaker 1: and you had one one your brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had some other guys over cheer. They're the threes.
Speaker 1: The overchievers wanted to be ones. I'm sure you had
Speaker 1: a few twos and you knew who the twos were.
Speaker 3: We did, We did, we did, and you know, and
Speaker 3: you know the thing is we we just we as
Speaker 3: a as a university got to go back to that
Speaker 3: way of thinking coaching, and we can't think that the
Speaker 3: universe of Arizona is a you know, Michigan or Ohio State,
Speaker 3: the Union love Arizona.
Speaker 2: I love that, you know, and that's that to me.
Speaker 2: Take that pride. I love that.
Speaker 3: And then when you have that opportunity knock them off
Speaker 3: the the hi horses, that means a lot when you
Speaker 3: you can go into note your dame and take it
Speaker 3: from them, to those schools and take it away.
Speaker 1: And that's what you guys did a lot right back,
Speaker 1: and they and they still kind of did undertld me.
Speaker 1: And if you I've always said that Arizona and I've
Speaker 1: been here a while now, they can't prosperity. They can't
Speaker 1: handle prosperity. Had a great year, just what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this year right, even better? But they don't put
Speaker 1: in the work or they do something well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but have we had opportunity to keep a coach
Speaker 3: yourself around long enough to keep because like every time
Speaker 3: we we have that prosperity, someone's gone, you know. So
Speaker 3: now we got to regroup again and figure out how
Speaker 3: we fix it. So you know, maybe maybe Brendan staff
Speaker 3: and this this staff is the ones that keep going.
Speaker 1: Who knows right, right, No, I talked about we're gonna
Speaker 1: take out let me tell you who's gonna be on
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probat of here.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about all that and what would what would
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Speaker 2: You know him?
Speaker 1: Like lut right, Like Luton says, you know, what the
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Speaker 3: What am I doing here where they wouldn't be coaching?
Speaker 2: Would?
Speaker 1: This is more power to you?
Speaker 4: Right? Uh?
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Speaker 9: the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to I the Ball Here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 2: Fortune fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm Steve Rivera and ther P. Today is the month Hunley.
Speaker 1: Now on the phone, we have coach Jerry Stick. Coach,
Speaker 1: how are you.
Speaker 4: Do. I'm doing very well. Thank How are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: We're doing well too. We wanted to talk to you
Speaker 1: about a number of different type of things here. First,
Speaker 1: the memorial you have for Coach Wing. How was that?
Speaker 1: And I'm sure it was very heartfelt.
Speaker 10: It was, it was. It was very well attended. Guys
Speaker 10: from came from all over the country. We had representatives
Speaker 10: from every era Wildcat baseball.
Speaker 4: The current Wildcat team was there.
Speaker 10: They sang Bear down Arizona at the end of the
Speaker 10: memorial and.
Speaker 4: It was it was really really good.
Speaker 1: What did he mean to you?
Speaker 4: Well, he was.
Speaker 10: He was my mentor for years and years and as
Speaker 10: we say in in baseball, he coached me up.
Speaker 4: For just over fifty three years. Uh.
Speaker 10: I first came in contact with him, My very first
Speaker 10: contact with Coach Wing was when I was coaching at
Speaker 10: South Point. I was a rookie coach and not ready
Speaker 10: to be a varsity head coach, but I was doing
Speaker 10: it anyway, and and I went over to play the
Speaker 10: Palaverty Titans and coach Wing and he was already a
Speaker 10: legend and we were we were in the game for
Speaker 10: about five minutes and then we got some pretty good Afterwards,
Speaker 10: he talked to me at home plate and he just
Speaker 10: told me to hang in there and keep being positive,
Speaker 10: work hard. You know, these guys are going to be
Speaker 10: pretty good. And you know that if you don't, if
Speaker 10: you need anything, just don't hesitate.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 10: For all those years afterwards, I didn't hesitate. And we
Speaker 10: worked a clinic, uh the camp in the summer of
Speaker 10: seventy one, at the end of the season.
Speaker 4: We worked together for two weeks for you know, morning and.
Speaker 10: Afternoon sessions and I just, I don't want to say
Speaker 10: picking his brain because he didn't need to, because once
Speaker 10: he started talking it it just flowed and uh yeah,
Speaker 10: and I just learned so much, and you know, it
Speaker 10: did take us a while, but we eventually got to
Speaker 10: be pretty good the Lancers, and so.
Speaker 4: We just we just kind of stayed in touch.
Speaker 10: I worked at the camps at Wildcat and got to
Speaker 10: meet coach Kindle and when the hitting job came over
Speaker 10: came open after the after the seventy eighth season, coach
Speaker 10: Coach told JK that absolutely had to hire me, and
Speaker 10: I might have gotten the job if he without Coach Wing,
Speaker 10: but I doubt it, you know, he he just he
Speaker 10: just really stood up for me and said, you got
Speaker 10: to hire this guy.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 10: I went in there and in the fall of seventy eight,
Speaker 10: and that was a start of something great. You know,
Speaker 10: we all said that the most important thing Coach Kennel
Speaker 10: ever did was hire Jim Wing. And Coach Coach said
Speaker 10: many times over the years that coach was the guy
Speaker 10: that taught us all how to coach.
Speaker 2: Wow, Coach Stiff just Lamon Hundley, how you doing.
Speaker 4: Sir Lamart good good to hear from him.
Speaker 3: Bless you brother, and Michael Dolens to you guys, man,
Speaker 3: Uh And I recall walking in McHale back in the day,
Speaker 3: Man when when when all the teams was in McHale
Speaker 3: and the baseball team, football team, we all like to,
Speaker 3: you know, meet in the hallway and I could tell
Speaker 3: you you guys, was was some of my favorite gentlemen
Speaker 3: to look up to. And Uh and Coach Wing most
Speaker 3: most definitely was one of those guys man, and we
Speaker 3: could look up to and and and and make sure
Speaker 3: you know that that we did the right thing as
Speaker 3: student athletes. So I wanted to give you that those
Speaker 3: words and Michael Doles that you and your family, brother,
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Laman. You're right.
Speaker 10: You know we you know I said my talk yesterday
Speaker 10: that he was the absolute epitome of what it meant
Speaker 10: to be a wildcat.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 10: He always said that that we're we represent something greater
Speaker 10: than ourselves, and we're fighting and and and working playing
Speaker 10: for for something greater than ourselves.
Speaker 4: Right, man, it was always it was always the team first.
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you, because you guys, I
Speaker 1: like to sage you guys. You guys are wisdom guys.
Speaker 1: I've been around a long time, seeing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm sure in your in your discussions, uh together, you
Speaker 1: guys must have talked a lot about N A L
Speaker 1: and what the heck's going on in the world today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we we did.
Speaker 10: And and you know, uh, Tip and and tripped outs
Speaker 10: the recruiting coordinator for Chip and they would come by
Speaker 10: and he said there and trying to explain N I
Speaker 10: L and transfer portal and and just shake his head.
Speaker 10: He said, there's just no loyal anymore. What's happening? Yeah,
Speaker 10: what's happened? What's happened? And and he says, how do
Speaker 10: you build a program? And some of the coaches aren't
Speaker 10: even trying.
Speaker 4: To do that anymore.
Speaker 10: But but but you know there there are a few around,
Speaker 10: more than a few, like Chip are building a program
Speaker 10: on tradition, on loyalty, on doing the right thing and.
Speaker 4: Coach way, you would say, the ship.
Speaker 10: You know, if if these kids parents brought him up right,
Speaker 10: they wouldn't even think about transferring.
Speaker 4: They they say, you you you recruited me to play here.
Speaker 4: I'm going to play my whole career here.
Speaker 3: You know, Coach I mentioned that to see just some
Speaker 3: moments ago. You know, it's I mean, it's it's the
Speaker 3: foundation of a home, you know. And and I think
Speaker 3: that's that goes with the you know what type of
Speaker 3: coach would reach out to look for that type of
Speaker 3: a family. And and yeah, and and and that's what
Speaker 3: we need. We need that more than ever these days,
Speaker 3: in my personal opinion.
Speaker 10: We do we do you need you need to recruit
Speaker 10: the right kind of guys and and just there's uh
Speaker 10: many many of the nineteen eighty national championship team was
Speaker 10: there yesterday, and you know they say they came from
Speaker 10: all over the place, and and back a while back.
Speaker 10: They have a they're really a tight group, and they
Speaker 10: have a text thread that everybody's on. And and so
Speaker 10: when at the end of the last season, when you know,
Speaker 10: transfer portal was loading up, I sent a text out
Speaker 10: to him and I said, what would you guys do
Speaker 10: if one of our guys went in the transfer portal
Speaker 10: and and Ronnie quick text back would hunt him down
Speaker 10: and beat the living you know what out of it.
Speaker 1: So let me go one further. Coach, uh, because you
Speaker 1: were with Kendall for forever, how would he how would
Speaker 1: he have handled this or cared about this?
Speaker 10: You know, That's that's what we would say all the
Speaker 10: time that when we were talking about it, I don't
Speaker 10: know if coach could have handled this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I say the same thing about Loot because you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think coach Smiff could handle this.
Speaker 4: No it It'd be a tough one. I'll tell you.
Speaker 10: Really, you just you want you want to you want
Speaker 10: to bring in freshmen and coach him and get him
Speaker 10: to improve and make him to the point where they
Speaker 10: can compete. Then if you need to fill in with
Speaker 10: j see kids, you want to do that. But now
Speaker 10: it's just fill in with the transfer portal. How much money?
Speaker 10: How much money do you want? Well, yeah, and you
Speaker 10: know some some schools like us, we can't compete within
Speaker 10: iow money was say any pick any school in the SEC.
Speaker 4: We just can't. We can't compete.
Speaker 10: And and so we have to do it a different way.
Speaker 3: And you know, you know that you mentioned, you mentioned
Speaker 3: the group of kids that were there, the nineteen eighty kids.
Speaker 3: Let's let's look ten years from now or twenty years
Speaker 3: from now, you know, and there'll be a gathering. We
Speaker 3: would never see that that big group of the kids
Speaker 3: together together again like that because everybody's moving around, they transferring,
Speaker 3: so's there's no commitment of four years, no family, nothing,
Speaker 3: I mean, just a group of kids staying together for
Speaker 3: four years. So eventually, you know, reunions, it's not even
Speaker 3: going to exist anymore. You know that it won'tn't exist
Speaker 3: anymore because there's nobody to reunion for.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 10: And you know, some of the coaches flat out say
Speaker 10: I'm gonna buy the best team I can.
Speaker 1: For this year, right, and typically coach, that doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna win.
Speaker 2: Because somebody else got bore money, Well, no.
Speaker 1: Not so much. Even even you've got the great players,
Speaker 1: you got, chemistry, you got, well he's got more than
Speaker 1: I do. What am I going to do? Make people happy?
Speaker 1: When back in the day you played and you just
Speaker 1: you played and if you were good, you were good.
Speaker 10: Right, Coach Wing would always say, what about that guard
Speaker 10: that sucks the block because he's on making them as
Speaker 10: much money as the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, no question, no question.
Speaker 3: Or somebody never get hit a three porter, but keep trying.
Speaker 1: But he still checked his check still check is still catching.
Speaker 1: Are you are? You're an administrator now at PIMA and
Speaker 1: we have the coaches on from there a lot. Now, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna start to affect the jcs. I assume.
Speaker 10: It is, in fact the n j c a UH
Speaker 10: National Junior College.
Speaker 4: So that's leg associated we have.
Speaker 10: We have the same rules pretty much across the board
Speaker 10: as the n c a A so U n I
Speaker 10: L money is the same rules as as the four
Speaker 10: yr schools. And now the n j c a a
Speaker 10: is UH has different organizations that will will come in
Speaker 10: and show you how to operate on our level for
Speaker 10: n I L money. And you know, I'm here. I
Speaker 10: am old school, been around forever. You got Ken hockey,
Speaker 10: you know, same way Todd holds House, Peabody, you know
Speaker 10: Cosgrove when the oldest of old school guys, how are
Speaker 10: we going to deal with N I L And Junior?
Speaker 2: You guys have to be s.
Speaker 1: You guys have to turn into.
Speaker 10: Say we do, We're gonna have, We're gonna and the
Speaker 10: kids are gonna have to sell themselves. They don't have
Speaker 10: to go out in the community and get sponsorships and right,
Speaker 10: and it's it's a good way to get out in
Speaker 10: the community.
Speaker 4: But we do that already.
Speaker 3: But the funny thing, that's why they call it a
Speaker 3: community college.
Speaker 1: Well let me say this though, If the kids go
Speaker 1: out and sell themselves at the end, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, and it's uh and it's definition. Isn't
Speaker 1: that what N I L was? Hey, that was That's
Speaker 1: what thats to be right now, It's like, hey, junior,
Speaker 1: come here, here's a here's a bag of money, come here.
Speaker 1: But before is you want to go? You want to
Speaker 1: go convince a car dealer to go right ahead.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly that's what it was set up for,
Speaker 2: right you know.
Speaker 3: But yet and still it allow the greedy in the
Speaker 3: rich to get richer, and and and it's it's a mess.
Speaker 2: To me, it's a mess, And it's not.
Speaker 4: Criteria in the beginning.
Speaker 10: Nay, maybe your likeness was that you had to do
Speaker 10: something for your money. You had you actually had to
Speaker 10: had to show something that you had done for whoever
Speaker 10: was offering you that bag of money. Now, but you're
Speaker 10: right now, it's just, hey, I take the bag of
Speaker 10: money and do nothing.
Speaker 1: Do nothing. And and here's the here's an issue that
Speaker 1: I kind of want have a few of them. But okay,
Speaker 1: Steve or Eric gives a junior a bag of money
Speaker 1: and he turns out to be a dud. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do this money thing again. I don't
Speaker 1: think it works that way. No, no, no, the next year,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm done with giving money to go.
Speaker 3: But some of these people who giving them money to kid,
Speaker 3: they're doing it for their self worth.
Speaker 1: Too, good good luck.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's.
Speaker 3: It's it's a legal way of being illegal.
Speaker 1: Coach, aren't you glad you're out of this? Aren't you
Speaker 1: glad you're out of this?
Speaker 4: I am? You know, we we would we would.
Speaker 10: Uh talk about this because back back when there really
Speaker 10: were rules, you know, there were there were guys who
Speaker 10: I could name a few who we were n I
Speaker 10: l before there was that they're paying paying kids to
Speaker 10: play and and uh, you laugh, but you know a
Speaker 10: few of them, right, And and Coach Kendle we would
Speaker 10: do we would make it the tiniest infraction to an
Speaker 10: n C two A rule and he would immediately call
Speaker 10: our compliance officer and and what do we do about this?
Speaker 4: And most of the time is Bill Morgan.
Speaker 10: He'd say, don't worry, coach, that's not even worth reporting.
Speaker 4: But that that was Coach Kendall. That was Coach Kendall.
Speaker 1: So so let me let's go back to the beginning
Speaker 1: where we talked about Coach Wing and and Jerry and
Speaker 1: Jerry coach Coach Kendall for you, a long time guy
Speaker 1: who loved the guys heavily. Uh and this may be
Speaker 1: a personal tough question. How much do you miss Coach
Speaker 1: Kindling And how much do you think you're gonna miss
Speaker 1: Coach Wing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it did.
Speaker 10: It did empty a pretty good hole in in uh
Speaker 10: my background, you know, because I was with him for
Speaker 10: so long, right, coach with Coach Ken over eighteen years,
Speaker 10: and as I was sharing an office and roomed with
Speaker 10: coach Wayne for fifteen and and it was his friend
Speaker 10: and and uh he still we coached each other all
Speaker 10: the way up until his passing a few weeks ago.
Speaker 10: But it did, it did leave a pretty good gap
Speaker 10: in in my life. And I'm just going to say
Speaker 10: thanks thanks to the Wildcats and Chip Hale that that that.
Speaker 4: He has really helped fill it.
Speaker 10: And the Cats have you know they they they.
Speaker 4: Were all there.
Speaker 10: Every every player on the team was there, he say,
Speaker 10: the whole staff and uh, just honoring some some someone
Speaker 10: that also those kids didn't even knowing they know.
Speaker 4: Who he they know who he was. That tells you
Speaker 4: they really didn't know him.
Speaker 1: That tells you the impact people have on people, even
Speaker 1: if you didn't know them.
Speaker 4: Right, right, that's exactly right. And he did have a
Speaker 4: huge impact.
Speaker 10: And that's one of my messages to the to the
Speaker 10: guys were there and even people who never played baseball,
Speaker 10: but he touched and helped and guided, and I said,
Speaker 10: we know that none of us will be who we
Speaker 10: are where we are without coach Wayne.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm one of those student athletes telling you, both
Speaker 3: of you guys always touched us man and uh, I
Speaker 3: can still remember up and walking down that halls and
Speaker 3: McHale and and and seeing you guys on my shoulders,
Speaker 3: just like a football coach and a big you know,
Speaker 3: a father figure.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, coach, go through because were you
Speaker 1: were you there when in the mid eighties when your brother.
Speaker 3: Ricky was on the baseball do you really Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: tell me about tell me about that.
Speaker 10: Ricky still still says, to my face, you guys were
Speaker 10: the best coaches I ever had.
Speaker 4: I loved you guys.
Speaker 10: And he saying, wait a second, Ricky, he says, no,
Speaker 10: it's it's true.
Speaker 4: You guys were great.
Speaker 10: And and you know he he was. He was a
Speaker 10: good player and could have played baseball, but you know
Speaker 10: how it is, he was too great football to bother
Speaker 10: with us guys.
Speaker 4: I guess I don't know. He Yeah, he still says.
Speaker 2: That he did the right thing. He did. Yeah, no
Speaker 2: doubt about it. You know, coach, I saw this.
Speaker 3: I think Greg Hanson put something in the paper regards
Speaker 3: to and you just mentioned this earlier. You both coming
Speaker 3: out of high school and coming to the University of Arizona.
Speaker 2: I mean, who does that?
Speaker 3: You know, in regards to picking two classic guys like
Speaker 3: you guys out of high school and placed them on
Speaker 3: your on his staff and believeing in you guys. And
Speaker 3: look how long I mean, you guys been as far
Speaker 3: as I'm successful and successful at that university.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's awesome.
Speaker 4: It really is awesome.
Speaker 10: And you know, yesterday there is this is one of
Speaker 10: the things that I knew a few guys were coming
Speaker 10: that I still stay in contact called with high school
Speaker 10: coaches from Phoenix.
Speaker 4: And one of the guys, Roy Miller, who who he was.
Speaker 4: He's a legend in his own right.
Speaker 10: At in Phoenix, and and I've known him forever.
Speaker 4: And he says to me, there's no question in my
Speaker 4: mind that you three.
Speaker 10: Guys were the greatest coaching staff in college baseball history.
Speaker 10: And I said, well, I wouldn't argue with you, but
Speaker 10: I don't know that there's any way approved.
Speaker 4: But I think at there for a while we were
Speaker 4: pretty darn good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, coach, we appreciate your time. Thanks a bunch
Speaker 1: for looking back and talking to us about all this.
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate you having me anytime.
Speaker 2: Great, thank you.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 1: Don't promise those thieks because i'mbody calling you to come in.
Speaker 2: He'll be calling you. So he needs someone to do
Speaker 2: the board for him.
Speaker 1: Yet the board it's like hitting a signal up the middle.
Speaker 2: I can't do that either. All right, coach, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, Coach Baredown.
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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to Iron the Ball here with Steve Barbera.
Speaker 1: And if you can't still know me and Lamana are
Speaker 1: like pain in the next to well, I like him animated.
Speaker 1: But my hand's a little bigger than yours. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and irazed, You're still run faster than I doubt it.
Speaker 3: I have to watch my words because you've closer to
Speaker 3: the exactly, But I can still tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you could give me a four up today.
Speaker 4: It was right one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that was good to talk to Stevey. You
Speaker 1: probably hadn't talked to him in a long long time.
Speaker 3: No, well, yeah, I shouldn't say that. I still see
Speaker 3: him around at basketball game.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're like mister personality of basketball.
Speaker 2: Get right in the middle.
Speaker 1: Hello, how you doing? You're like the mayor. You're shaking hands,
Speaker 1: good seats.
Speaker 2: No, I just you just I love people.
Speaker 1: You should your business love me. You're you're a businessman,
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Speaker 2: Do it for the reason.
Speaker 3: You want to get on a treadmill like that one?
Speaker 3: You haven't you never purchased one from st I have
Speaker 3: one maybe I didn't have one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got more dust than Well, you're very dusty
Speaker 1: and I'm very dusty. You're right.
Speaker 3: You Actually Jean was over the store the other day
Speaker 3: about a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: J j Or was he not j his brother?
Speaker 1: Oh Jean?
Speaker 2: Did I not say g You said, Jean?
Speaker 1: But who do I know?
Speaker 2: What's gen? I wouldn't know, j Jean? Okay, yeah he
Speaker 2: was old at a month ago. Yeah he did. We
Speaker 2: got him in a nice treadmill for himself. Oh did
Speaker 2: he well to see this?
Speaker 3: See if that could be a coat hanger or a
Speaker 3: jacket hanger or no, he's gonna use it, he promised me.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you know he promised.
Speaker 1: How many promises have you been made through the years?
Speaker 1: They promise? I wish I'm here to deliver. Well, you
Speaker 1: do have some good stuff over there. It's a nice
Speaker 1: it's a nice cozy shop. It's it's it's not a
Speaker 1: big one. You don't need a big one. That said
Speaker 1: perfect size.
Speaker 3: We got the right square footage to have the right product.
Speaker 3: The people, cup and touch and field. You've been there,
Speaker 3: we've been in that location. Thirty I was gonna say
Speaker 3: thirty two years. Were you somewhere else? We used to
Speaker 3: have a store on Oracor and Prince. Okay, we first
Speaker 3: existed and then we had a store on Orange and Gold.
Speaker 3: I do, I do, That's I do, because I'm in
Speaker 3: Orange Girl right now.
Speaker 2: That's where I live.
Speaker 1: But the Prince one Prince and yeah, I do remember.
Speaker 1: It's right by am Fi High School. Yeah, there's your partner,
Speaker 1: Scott Scott. Yeah, that's actually started right there in that location.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember. Okay, no, good, What did you
Speaker 1: decide to stay?
Speaker 2: Oh wow?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 2: Well you left and then you came back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I really didn't leave because all season I
Speaker 3: still came back to Tucson. And I think that the
Speaker 3: thing that really kept me here is see I think
Speaker 3: the relationship that I created with people in town here
Speaker 3: and you know, and how you're kind of good guy. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean I think I think that would kept me
Speaker 3: here pretty much. In my my weather, the weather that
Speaker 3: was here just as well. And you know, my only
Speaker 3: option was where I played and or back home in Virginia.
Speaker 2: And it was too cold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, which is smart. Here was good, which is smart.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this all the time. Joe Nell's
Speaker 1: Corey Williams, Bill Buck.
Speaker 2: David Adams. I mean it's a lot of Brander Robbins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not the guys that the guys are
Speaker 1: from here. You don't count guys that came here, played here,
Speaker 1: fell in love at the place, uh and found too
Speaker 1: soon to be home? Right, And partly because you were popular,
Speaker 1: people loved you and you were in a jerk. No,
Speaker 1: I'm no, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: you know that thing too.
Speaker 2: It's a small town. It's the only show in town,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: So people still relate to me as playing football University Arizona,
Speaker 3: and that's been forty plus years, right, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean I look like I still can play.
Speaker 1: But I told you I run at you with the
Speaker 1: up in the concourse just I looked at you and
Speaker 1: I said, you've been losing weight, haven't you. And you say, eh,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Because you're you're doing some
Speaker 1: stuff you're dancing now or whatever you're doing it you
Speaker 1: get the weight off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a different movement.
Speaker 1: It's a different movement, you know. You people see people
Speaker 1: with Dancing with the Stars and they lose like twenty pounds.
Speaker 2: It's not dancing with the stars.
Speaker 3: No, no, but you know what I'm saying, you do
Speaker 3: it enough that you get some good exactly, and it
Speaker 3: does it fools the muscles and makes the muscles work
Speaker 3: in different ways. But it's you know, and again just
Speaker 3: being here, and like I said, the community's just been
Speaker 3: good to myself and my family, being able to raise
Speaker 3: a couple of kids here and.
Speaker 2: With my wife. Naturally, it's just maybe it's my home.
Speaker 2: Virginia is not my home anymore.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Let me just give the phone number, and anybody wants
Speaker 1: to call and talk to it to us until what
Speaker 1: five two zero, four one, six seventy four forty we'd
Speaker 1: appreciate the call. Maybe you ask a question about the
Speaker 1: football team, basketball team, and maybe will come up with
Speaker 1: an answer because there's a lot of issues. I think
Speaker 1: in the next day or so, then we'll start hearing
Speaker 1: about the coaching the players. I guess the players with
Speaker 1: the recruiting starts tomorrow at least with the notification. If
Speaker 1: they don't hit a home run, recruiting worse and it's
Speaker 1: always a hit or miss, right, do you think they
Speaker 1: have to hit a home run in the recruiting tomorrow
Speaker 1: because that's the signing.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the whole run has to come through
Speaker 3: the transfer porder. Okay to me, I think that's where
Speaker 3: it's all going to allow this team to you know,
Speaker 3: better themselves and the players that need it more than
Speaker 3: anything is on the offense and defensive line. They have
Speaker 3: to get some you know, some seasoned guys who's who's
Speaker 3: been played somewhere else who can step right in and
Speaker 3: because that's that's the most needed thing right now, it's
Speaker 3: the offensive line defense.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, and I don't want you to
Speaker 1: alibi him or whatever, because that's not what you do
Speaker 1: or that's what I do. But do you think and
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a fair question. He came in February, uh,
Speaker 1: February ish, late last minute, you know, Keiki hired him.
Speaker 1: Then later he was gone, but under tough conditions, right
Speaker 1: right before the right before the another cycle there. Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, well, hold that thought, because we've got another call.
Speaker 1: We got a call. Hello, you're on the air and
Speaker 1: I on the ball. Who says, fine, fine, don how
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 13: I'm I'm doing good. I go I'm glad le Monson
Speaker 13: today because I'd like to ask.
Speaker 2: Him a question ahead.
Speaker 13: Okay, all the talk and chatter on social media and
Speaker 13: everything is talking about how Arizona if they don't do
Speaker 13: this and they don't do that with the nil and
Speaker 13: competing and everything, is a national championship? Really, what Arizona
Speaker 13: is trying to compete for? I think in my opinion, No,
Speaker 13: when I was a kid, there was Arizona and then
Speaker 13: there was the big schools. We competed with the big schools,
Speaker 13: and a lot of times we beat some of those guys.
Speaker 13: But I don't see Arizona becoming in Ohio State. It's
Speaker 13: a lot easier to do it in basketball than it
Speaker 13: would be in football.
Speaker 1: You talked about that probably you talked about go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Odon, are you still asking the question? I'm sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, in regards to your question, I truly believe that
Speaker 3: we can't compete, cannot cannot compete. But you have to
Speaker 3: as a coaching staff, you have to use that language.
Speaker 3: You have to use that language. You have to say,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going for everything, but being who we
Speaker 3: are here at this university, in this little small city.
Speaker 2: And you've always been, always been, Know who you are, Okay,
Speaker 2: know who you are?
Speaker 3: Know what level you are and and and bring in
Speaker 3: players that can coach, can play under your coaching ability,
Speaker 3: and you and you will get there.
Speaker 1: And the last and sipen here, Donna and me and me, uh,
Speaker 1: they've caught lightning in a bottle almost a couple two,
Speaker 1: a couple two three times?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 13: Well, well I would I would say, I mean if
Speaker 13: if the twelfth team, well, we wouldn't have qualified for
Speaker 13: the twelve team playoffs last year because we we won
Speaker 13: the bowl game and we ended up Top ten. But
Speaker 13: if that team would have had a shot, I mean,
Speaker 13: they might have made a game out of that first
Speaker 13: round or might be even wanted that team. But what
Speaker 13: you know, what what a lot of people are whining
Speaker 13: and crying about on social media is is, Oh, it
Speaker 13: sounds like they want to compete with those teams. Now,
Speaker 13: if we catch like I told this to Steve and
Speaker 13: you know I've said this on the show, I'd like
Speaker 13: to have a team that averages seven to nine wins
Speaker 13: a year, and every once in a while we jump
Speaker 13: up and get that double digit win season and and
Speaker 13: we're smacking everybody around. But what I want to see
Speaker 13: is a tough team that competes every week and that
Speaker 13: nobody wants to play.
Speaker 1: That's not a tough ask, No, seven ninety, not at all.
Speaker 3: I mean in this conference and being able to brain
Speaker 3: kids to this community is not a tough ask at all.
Speaker 3: And I and I and again, you know, I'm one
Speaker 3: of those that truly believe that, you know, we're capable
Speaker 3: of doing what we can do up to a certain
Speaker 3: point and eventually that one exciting year is going to
Speaker 3: take place.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you to Don's point about the money.
Speaker 1: Will it take money to get the seven to nine? Yes,
Speaker 1: it will take money.
Speaker 3: It's always it's going to take money to get to
Speaker 3: any level because that's the landscape we're playing in right now.
Speaker 3: But there's only so much money that's going to be given.
Speaker 3: And that's his point too, right, there's no so much
Speaker 3: money we can get here in this community. So now
Speaker 3: get what we can get. Coach up with who we
Speaker 3: got on this football team. Coach these kids up and
Speaker 3: let them believe in who they are. You're not a
Speaker 3: national championship team, you're not Ohio State, you're not Notre
Speaker 3: Dame to name a few, You're the University of Arizona, Don,
Speaker 3: that's what you're.
Speaker 13: Kind of going with right, well, exactly well, And the
Speaker 13: other thing is the other thing is not only the money,
Speaker 13: but these roster sizes are going to drop because they're
Speaker 13: dropping the walk ons since everybody's going to be getting paid.
Speaker 13: So there's going to be a lot more players that
Speaker 13: trickle down to us, the three and a half four stars.
Speaker 13: There's gonna be players, there's gonna be players to be
Speaker 13: had that don't have that don't have that monster nil
Speaker 13: deal that they thought they were going to have. And
Speaker 13: if we've got you know, if we've got a good,
Speaker 13: a good solid program here, we're going to be able
Speaker 13: to get some of those guys and and competing in
Speaker 13: the conference. I mean, and you know, if you listen
Speaker 13: to national media and stuff like that, it seems like
Speaker 13: everything is everything is the world championship, everything's the national championship.
Speaker 13: But winning the conference championship is nothing to sneeze at.
Speaker 13: But the baseball team last year winning the regular season
Speaker 13: and win in the tournament, that was absolutely nothing to
Speaker 13: sneeze at.
Speaker 1: You know, that was you know, that took some doing,
Speaker 1: and I think.
Speaker 13: Winning a conference, winning the Big twelve conference, that's going
Speaker 13: to take some doing. And if you win that you're
Speaker 13: going to get that opportunity to play in the tournament
Speaker 13: for the national championship. So I think that I think
Speaker 13: that the sites don't necessarily need to be in.
Speaker 1: The sky so much, and they never have been. I
Speaker 1: don't think they never happened. We gotta go, We gotta go.
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling you, guys. Yep, good find good first hour,
Speaker 1: guys up, We're gonna take our break. Come back on
Speaker 1: the other side. We're gonna have Kobe with some breaking news,
Speaker 1: talk to coach Middleton at the mid hour here at
Speaker 1: four o'clock, and then talk more about UA sports.
Speaker 2: That's gone that quick.