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<v Speaker 1>Ladies, gentlemen, theyse and them's It's all Hallow's Eve with

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Grim. My name is Jacko and for the

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<v Speaker 1>past week I have been your master of ceremonies as

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<v Speaker 1>we lead you through Halloween Week, and of course I

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<v Speaker 1>will be here for the remainder of the very last day.

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<v Speaker 1>Every story we've covered has turned and twisted, through the creepy,

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<v Speaker 1>through the murderous, and so far you have stuck with us,

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<v Speaker 1>side by side. And now a murderous tale that takes

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<v Speaker 1>a back to nineteen fifty seven on this very night,

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<v Speaker 1>on the night of Halloween. But of course that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a story for me to tell. That is a story

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<v Speaker 1>for your hosts. So let me once again introduce your

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<v Speaker 1>hosts of Wicked and Grim, Ben and Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 3>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>Week with Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 3>A true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's Halloween. Whoa We made it seven full days? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we hope you guys have had fun so far.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys got to tell us your trick of treating.

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<v Speaker 2>You're dressed up? What's the deal all of it?

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<v Speaker 3>Do You're drinking, you're eating, Yeah, what you're doing?

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<v Speaker 2>What's happened right now? We are podcasting with a black

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<v Speaker 2>cat sitting right before Actruly. Yeah, he's he's our Halloween mascot.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Kiwi.

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<v Speaker 3>He's our best Halloween decoration act. He is.

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<v Speaker 2>He's rocked it. Also, speaking to people who have rocked

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<v Speaker 2>it are patrons. Yeah, so we are going to go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and read our patrons who have signed up for

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<v Speaker 2>signed up with us on Patreon for Halloween week. So

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<v Speaker 2>these are the ones who signed up this past week.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Harley Woodward, Matthew Hobbes, John Stark, and Jamie

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<v Speaker 2>Harrington Wicked. Wicked. Thank you very much for signing up

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<v Speaker 2>over on Patreon. If you guys want to join us,

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<v Speaker 2>all you have to do is hit the link below

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<v Speaker 2>in the description. You can head over there a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a monthly fee that goes to support the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can join us. You get some extra cool

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<v Speaker 2>content behind the scenes, like like extra episodes at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the month every month.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's over two hundred of us over there showing away.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's super cool. It's an awesome environment there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It's like a whole community. Yeah, it's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>And people chat with each other sometimes and it's great.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. Yeah, so I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>And also we have a contest for running right now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is only running for the next like twelve hours

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<v Speaker 2>or so. Yeah. So unless this is you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast like immediately once released, you might be too late,

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<v Speaker 2>but go ahead and tell them about that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>can do to win.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So we're going to be drawing it on Halloween Day,

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<v Speaker 3>so October thirty first today at six pm ish because

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<v Speaker 3>we're doing a live at that time on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, specific standard time, yes, PST.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry. So all you have to do is you have

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<v Speaker 3>to submit a photo. So on Facebook, you submit in

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<v Speaker 3>the comments. On Instagram, you do a story and you

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<v Speaker 3>take us of your carved pumpkin. Easy. Easy, And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>when I posted about it, I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a lot easier than the last give away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. So if you do that, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a skill based thing. As soon as you submit the photo,

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<v Speaker 2>you're automatically in a draw and you can win yourself

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<v Speaker 2>at big old fuzzy fuffy fuffy, full fluffy blanket with

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<v Speaker 2>a big old picture of JACKO on it from our

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<v Speaker 2>cool So yeah, yeah, go ahead and enter that, go

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<v Speaker 2>follow our socials and join in and you could win.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And then one other thing we just wanted to note,

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<v Speaker 3>because we put a whole week of awesomeness out and

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to let you all get kind of caught

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<v Speaker 3>up on that. There won't be an episode on November first,

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<v Speaker 3>on Tuesday, correct, so, but there will be one the

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<v Speaker 3>following Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go.

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<v Speaker 3>So just so you all are in the know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it might take some of those people out

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<v Speaker 2>there who are a little bit behind a whole week

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<v Speaker 2>even to catch up on Halloween week. So we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to give that due time to catch up, and us,

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<v Speaker 2>honestly due time to catch up as well, because we

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<v Speaker 2>do work full time jobs and this Halloween week was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work. So that one little extra day

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<v Speaker 2>for us will make a big difference. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>should we get right into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think So this is the last day we made it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this is this is a celebration, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The end of the second annual Halloween weeks. It's here,

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<v Speaker 2>this is it. It's all come down to this store.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, second annual. We've been around that long, right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like yesterday that we.

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<v Speaker 2>Started, well, maybe the day before.

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<v Speaker 3>I keep okay, I'm wearing a risk guard. It keeps catching,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm taking it off, Okay, fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough, Okay. So we're going to be going back to

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven, nice and this is the trick or

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<v Speaker 2>treat murder. Oh so it's very holloween oriented.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look at you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So in nineteen fifty seven in Los Angeles, Betty Fabiano

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<v Speaker 2>was just about finished evaluating her life choices. By then,

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<v Speaker 2>she was thirty five years old. She'd been married twice,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was currently living with her second husband, Peter Fabiano,

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<v Speaker 2>and her daughter, Judy Solomon. From the outside looking in,

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<v Speaker 2>Betty had it all. Her and Peter owned two successful

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<v Speaker 2>hair salons, and they had a beautiful house in the valley.

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<v Speaker 2>Her son, Richard Solomon was at the start of his

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<v Speaker 2>career in the navy, Judy was doing pretty well in school,

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<v Speaker 2>and Betty could pick and choose her own business hours nice.

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<v Speaker 3>So like living the life really.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much everyone's dream. You know, you've got like the

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<v Speaker 2>nice house, you got the nice family, your business owner,

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<v Speaker 2>you can pick your own hours and do what you want,

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<v Speaker 2>work when you want, how you want it. She's got

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<v Speaker 2>it made.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was California they live, right la. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like dreams bought to live.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it was a nice work life balance pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much through and through love.

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<v Speaker 3>That so I hope to get there one day.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, one day. Yeah. No, she was being able

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<v Speaker 2>to like just decide when she was going to help

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<v Speaker 2>Peter her with the salons and when she devoted her

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<v Speaker 2>time at the household. Like it was. It was beautiful, perfect,

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<v Speaker 2>something to strive for. I can tell you that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we all know, things aren't always what they seem.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, that's very much so a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, as I alluded to, she already kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like second guessing her life choices. Right. So, Peter and

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<v Speaker 2>Betty ran into some difficulties in their marriage. Only small

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<v Speaker 2>fights broke out here and there, but they progressively grew

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<v Speaker 2>into more intense altercations. As far as I could tell,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing ever got physical, but I mean it was arguments.

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<v Speaker 2>It was abrasiveness within the marriage, right so, never a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing, not necessarily a sign of detriment by any means,

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<v Speaker 2>but not enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes when people tell me they don't fight. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's something wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, I mean, people are different. No matter

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<v Speaker 2>how well you get alone.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're living under the same roof, you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have a disagreements every once in a while.

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<v Speaker 2>With rite life, it's like, do the fucking dishes for once,

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<v Speaker 2>they did five days in a row, like that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, that's actually happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, on more than one occasion.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it's actually the one that does the dishes more often.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very much so, So maybe you should do some

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<v Speaker 2>fucking dishes once in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, kidding, Wow, you're gonna get rained on.

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<v Speaker 2>I was joking. Come on. Anyways, moving on, particularly Peter particularly,

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<v Speaker 2>things got a little bit more intense after Peter had

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<v Speaker 2>hired a new secretary for one of their salons. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Joan Rabble was her name, and she had a colorful past.

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<v Speaker 2>She was born in Philadelphia in nineteen seventeen, but she

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<v Speaker 2>had traveled most of America by now, and she'd walked

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<v Speaker 2>through peter salon doors in of course, nineteen fifty seven

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<v Speaker 2>when this takes place. Now, she had been married and

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<v Speaker 2>divorced and was a successful photographer writer, and she liked

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<v Speaker 2>to get a lot of her inspiration for her tales

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<v Speaker 2>through her travels, and she had many exotic tales to

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<v Speaker 2>tell of her life when she came to the Fabiano's

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<v Speaker 2>shop for a job. Okay, Now, Peter liked Joan right

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<v Speaker 2>off the get go and what she had to say,

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<v Speaker 2>so we hired her almost on the spot, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course it wasn't long before he introduced her to Betty,

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't take much time for Joan to become

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<v Speaker 2>the heart of the problem between Betty and Peter. But

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<v Speaker 2>probably not in the way that you're thinking. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say this right now, whereabout is

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<v Speaker 2>your head at them? Where you think these problems lied.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty basic that they had an affair of sorts,

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<v Speaker 3>or their flirt network or the wife. Who's the which

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<v Speaker 3>one's the wife? Sorry, Joan or Betty or Betty?

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<v Speaker 2>Peter and Betty are the married couple.

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<v Speaker 3>That Betty's just a little jealous of Joan. Maybe she's

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<v Speaker 3>a looker.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, you're half right, let's put it that way. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll touch you. I'll fill you in on here in

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<v Speaker 2>just one second. So I get Yes, you're there, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're there's a curve ball coming at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>So Joan was with the couple quite a lot. She

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<v Speaker 2>worked with them at least one of them during the day,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes both, and they often invited her over for dinner

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<v Speaker 2>in the evenings. So Joan got really close with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and when things got rocky between Peter and Betty, Betty

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<v Speaker 2>actually moved in with Joan.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, yeah, Oh dude, they have an affair.

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<v Speaker 2>And Joan made the moves on Betty. Okay, okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, but you're wrong with who. Yeah, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So actually we don't really know who made the first

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<v Speaker 2>moves per se, but newspapers at the time would later

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<v Speaker 2>describe Joan and Betty's relationship as quote abnormal whatever that meant.

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<v Speaker 2>But remember this is nineteen fifties, right, So now, when

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<v Speaker 2>Peter realized what was going on in their relationship behind

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes, he had a choice to make, and he

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<v Speaker 2>chose to make it clear that he wanted Betty back.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Betty took a hard, long look at her life

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<v Speaker 2>and she decided that what she wanted was Joan to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to her husband.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Okay, she left Joan. Man, I'm not doing well

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<v Speaker 3>with my guessing right now, not really, I'm failing.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the next guest. I don't know if there's another

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<v Speaker 2>guest in here, I can't recall, but if there's another one,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll put you to the test.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So we don't obviously know exactly what was going on

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<v Speaker 2>Things did go back to normal for a while, though

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<v Speaker 2>with their lives, at least for.

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<v Speaker 3>A while, rightfully. So really, oh definitely. I mean in

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<v Speaker 3>order for their marriage to work, I think that would have.

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<v Speaker 2>To be well, yeah, I think if anyone is having

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<v Speaker 2>our relationship. For us to continue, that's totally understandable. And

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<v Speaker 2>first off, perrops to Peter for being able to actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it right now, for that's that is actually amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Good on him. Yeah, so things were better between Peter

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<v Speaker 2>and Betty and Joan had moved on to someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>and that someone else was Goldene Piser. Goldean was a

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<v Speaker 2>explore her own sexuality when she met Joan. Now they'd

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<v Speaker 2>actually known each other for a few years before nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty seven, but it was right after Betty left Joan

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<v Speaker 2>that Goldean and her became really good friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And Goldean, in a later interview, used the words coffee

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<v Speaker 2>clatch to describe her friendship with Joan, And this apparently

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<v Speaker 2>comes from a German word called I'm going to try

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<v Speaker 2>and pronounce this. This is German, remember kafn klatches, which

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<v Speaker 2>means coffee and gossip.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, so well done.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I probably butchered it, but I do not

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<v Speaker 2>speak German. If you can't tell, it's not my first, second, third,

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<v Speaker 3>That was about a hundred times better than what I

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, prior to us turning on the microphones,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just singing Ramstein, so that might have warmed

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. Yeah, our little pre show rituals or

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, a lot of times you can catch those

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<v Speaker 2>pre show rituals in an actual pre show we post

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<v Speaker 3>You should do a video of it too. Half the

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<v Speaker 3>time one of us is wandering around dancing or trying

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyways, we digress. It was coffee and gossip that

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<v Speaker 2>she described it, Asky, So they would spend hours together,

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<v Speaker 2>either at a cafe or at each other's house, talking

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<v Speaker 2>over a cup of coffee and slowly but surely developing

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship. I'll just leave it with that now. Joan

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<v Speaker 2>started telling Goldeen everything that had happened between her and Betty.

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<v Speaker 2>According to her, all the blame for her failing relationship

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<v Speaker 2>was on one person and one person only, the quote

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<v Speaker 2>evil Peter Fabiano oh Man. So over the next three months,

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<v Speaker 2>Joan told Goldeen over and over and what a terrible man,

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<v Speaker 2>an awful husband. Peter Fabiano was Joan said that he

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<v Speaker 2>used and dealt in narcotics. She said that he mistreated

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<v Speaker 2>Betty and how she just wanted to get her old

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<v Speaker 2>friend Betty out of the horrible marriage and away from

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<v Speaker 2>that abusive man. So she painted him in an absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>horrible light. Yeah, did whatever she could to get Goldeen

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<v Speaker 2>onto her side.

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<v Speaker 3>But really, from like me, I mean, I don't know everything,

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<v Speaker 3>but just an outsider, he doesn't seem terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>No, definitely not. I mean there was some and there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing confirmed, mind you, but there was some talk of

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<v Speaker 2>a potential minor abuse in the relationship. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it was physical. I do think it was a bit mental.

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<v Speaker 2>By this sounds of it verbal. Mental. Yeah, However, any

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<v Speaker 2>of that sort of stuff was reconciled as again as

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<v Speaker 2>far as I can tell, when they were getting back together. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, everyone has their fault. That's probably what drove

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<v Speaker 2>them apart, and then coming back together they're resolving it, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, but then also too, lots of times if

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking to a friend about a relationship, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>you're venting to them, right, and lots of times more

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<v Speaker 3>of the negative things come out than the positives too.

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<v Speaker 3>So true, she could not even know the full picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. So regardless, though, her stories were more than enough

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<v Speaker 2>to convince Goldean to help her take care of him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that sounds scary.

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<v Speaker 2>So on September twenty first, Goldean went to a shop

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<v Speaker 2>in Pasadena where she ordered a thirty eight millimeter miss

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<v Speaker 2>and Wesson pistol. Yes, she told the man behind the

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<v Speaker 2>counter that she wanted it for home protection and that

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<v Speaker 2>she only wanted two bullets for it. A few days later,

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<v Speaker 2>Joan dropped by Goldine's house in a car she had

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<v Speaker 2>borrowed from a friend. She gave Goldean the money for

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<v Speaker 2>the gun and then drove her back to Pasadena to

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<v Speaker 2>collect it. The two then made their way to Peter

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<v Speaker 2>and Betty's home in the valley, and they staked it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm picturing like classic, like parked in the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the upper side of the road, like you know, ducking

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<v Speaker 2>down in the dim light sort of thing. That's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much what they did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all dressed in black kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know for sure

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<v Speaker 2>that's how it played out, but that's pretty much the

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<v Speaker 2>sum of what they were doing, right, good visual driving

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<v Speaker 2>by and watching that sort of thing. Yeah, now knowing

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<v Speaker 2>what the horrible man Peter looked like, Golden waited until

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<v Speaker 2>the time was right to make her move, and that

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<v Speaker 2>time was Halloween night on nineteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I feel like any incident that's scary like this

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<v Speaker 3>that happens on Hallo Halloween night just amplifies the scariness. Ey. Oh, definitely,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's terrifying one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if Halloween's not scary enough for some people,

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<v Speaker 2>hearing something like this definitely would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Joan borrowed a friend's car again, and then she

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<v Speaker 2>headed over to Golden's house to pick her up. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in Goldene's own words, she said this, Joan came over

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<v Speaker 2>to my house with some clothing, blue jeans, khaki jackets, hats, iemasks, makeup,

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<v Speaker 2>and red gloves. We dressed up, got in the car

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<v Speaker 2>and drove to Fabiano's home, arriving there about nine pm.

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<v Speaker 2>So strange outfits, more of a disguise of some sort

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<v Speaker 2>than really a costume. But they're just throwing on whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they had to look strange and kind of fit in

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<v Speaker 3>Again, right, And my brain sorry, I'm like totally listen

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<v Speaker 3>to you, but I'm just like, this is so unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. But also, remember the conversation we had the

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<v Speaker 2>other day about the urban legends also taking place, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it in the fifties. Wasn't it the one Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>massacre that was proven to be false? Okay, yeah, how

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<v Speaker 2>people are making their own costumes and everything. That's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing here.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh not necessarily a costumes though, the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know, I just wanted to point that out. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the costume part is falling in line with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I see, yeah, but yeah, I know, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole thing, trust me, definitely unnecessary. Anyways, so they dressed

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<v Speaker 2>up in their Halloween costumes. Golden and Joan waited outside,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the borrowed car until all the lights in

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<v Speaker 2>the Fabiano home went out and the streets went quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>It was then that Golding made her move. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just a little past eleven pm when Golding walked up

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<v Speaker 2>to the Fabiano's door and knocked. Sorry, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to add that in there. No one answered, so she

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<v Speaker 2>waited a little bit and knocked again.

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<v Speaker 3>If that was me, I wouldn't fucking answer either, There's

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<v Speaker 3>no way in hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this time, she could hear movement behind the door. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was Peter. He'd been in bed, laying going

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep with Betty when they both heard the first knock,

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<v Speaker 2>and he thought about leaving it, just like you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was Halloween. He figured it was just some

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<v Speaker 2>late trick of treaters.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, So with.

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<v Speaker 2>The second knock, he got out of bed, made his

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<v Speaker 2>way downstairs, picked up the bowl of candy, and headed

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<v Speaker 2>for the door. Oh no, He opened the door to

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<v Speaker 2>expect to see a trick of treat yep, and he

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<v Speaker 2>saw Goldeen in her costume, standing there with a brown

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<v Speaker 2>paper bag in her hand, and he asked her. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a little late for this, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Counts differ on whether Golden actually answered him or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but some say she simply answered no, while others say

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<v Speaker 2>that she said something to him as he opened the door.

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<v Speaker 2>What we do know, though, is that Betty heard two

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>She later said that one of them sounded like a

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<v Speaker 2>pretending to be a woman and then she heard a

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<v Speaker 2>loud pop.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, so she's like two voices aside from her hubbies.

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<v Speaker 2>That was never clarified as far as I could tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, because I need clarification. Sorry here, Joan is the

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<v Speaker 3>one that was with Betty, yes, but she's not even

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<v Speaker 3>the one at the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Joan is currently in the car on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the road. Oh, Goldeane was in the car with Joan,

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<v Speaker 2>and now Goldeane went up to the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, that's not his thought. But then I also

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking, I just assumed it would have been Joan

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<v Speaker 3>going up to the door. So that's okay, she really

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<v Speaker 3>convinced this person, she did. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So anyways, when Peter had opened the door and

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<v Speaker 2>offered gold Dean some candy, Goldean had put both hands

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<v Speaker 2>inside the paper bag that she was holding and lifting

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Now, I'm sure he only assumed this was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be her trigg or treat bag, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>she instead pointed the bag directly at his chest, and

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<v Speaker 2>what he couldn't see was the gun that was inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>So Goldean pointed it at his chest and pulled the

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<v Speaker 2>trigger and the bullet hit Peter just below the heart

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<v Speaker 2>and he hit the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>Iikes, would Peter have known gold Dean then? No, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>this would have been a complete stranger to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The month prior, on September twenty first, when Joan

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<v Speaker 2>drove by the house with Goldean, that was to show

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<v Speaker 2>Goldean who they were. And he's the evil man and

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<v Speaker 2>he's the one.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, okay, okay, So they had never met.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just Goldiane staking out the house when she

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<v Speaker 2>learned who he was, right, yeah, And of course all

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<v Speaker 2>the talk and everything through Joan and the stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So after the loud quote pop, Golding took off, racing

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<v Speaker 2>back to the car and her and Joan quickly drove away.

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<v Speaker 2>But inside the house things were far from finished. Hearing

425
00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.279
<v Speaker 2>the sound of the gun going off and not knowing

426
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.079
<v Speaker 2>what it was, both Betty and her daughter Judy came

427
00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 2>rushing downstairs to find Peter laying on his back by

428
00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the front door, bleeding out.

429
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

430
00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Betty frantically tried to help him, and Judy ran to

431
00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.000
<v Speaker 2>one of the neighbor's houses for help. The neighbor was

432
00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Bud Alpert, a member of the lapd Okay, and Judy

433
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.519
<v Speaker 2>knew that Bud wouldn't know what to do.

434
00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good neighbor to have, eh.

435
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Definitely if any sort of authorities or your neighbor. I mean,

436
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.799
<v Speaker 2>that's quick and easy access. It's glorious. However, it was

437
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night, Bud was sleeping, so it

438
00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:49.640
<v Speaker 2>took a few minutes of banging on his door to

439
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:51.640
<v Speaker 2>wake him up. But once he answered the door and

440
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.240
<v Speaker 2>realized what was going on, he jumped into action and

441
00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.319
<v Speaker 2>took over the scene. Okay, he called the ambulance, followed

442
00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:01.400
<v Speaker 2>by police officers, and Peter was quickly rushed to hospital.

443
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:03.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I hope he lives.

444
00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.759
<v Speaker 2>We'll touch on that shortly. The only witnesses of the

445
00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.240
<v Speaker 2>murder other than Peter's family hearing the incident from inside

446
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the house, was a fifteen year old boy who'd heard

447
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.200
<v Speaker 2>the gunshot and seen the getaway cars speeding down the street.

448
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Police were left with very few clues as they tried

449
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.720
<v Speaker 2>to process this scene and figure out what was going on,

450
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately, Peter died in the hospital from severe blood loss.

451
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking that because you did say the murder.

452
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this left investigators with no one able to

453
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:40.960
<v Speaker 2>identify the shooter.

454
00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Dang Wow. Okay, I was kind of thinking he'd lived,

455
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.440
<v Speaker 3>to be honest. See here I am again like, gosh,

456
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:50.799
<v Speaker 3>this whole story, I just can't predict whatsomever.

457
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.519
<v Speaker 2>There was potential because it did miss his heart right,

458
00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.720
<v Speaker 2>so there was potential. But however, there was severe blood loss,

459
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:00.799
<v Speaker 2>and it could have been that it was to an artery.

460
00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find that. But I mean, he did bleed

461
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:04.599
<v Speaker 2>out so well.

462
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.079
<v Speaker 3>And then it does seem like there was a bit

463
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 3>of time to where it makes his chances less, right, Oh,

464
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:15.000
<v Speaker 3>definitely with him, like having to go wake offa or

465
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.079
<v Speaker 3>the daughter, wake up the police officer, and then getting

466
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:18.880
<v Speaker 3>him to the hospital and.

467
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. And one of the problems too is it's

468
00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:25.279
<v Speaker 2>not in a limb, it's inside the torso, right, So

469
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.319
<v Speaker 2>if you are say shot in the arm, and it

470
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.279
<v Speaker 2>does hit an artery and you are bleeding out, you

471
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:33.680
<v Speaker 2>can put pressure and tie that off. You can stop

472
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the bleeding out. Shot in the chest, you can't just

473
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.039
<v Speaker 2>put pressure on the chest. He's now bleeding internally, so

474
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>he's still going to bleed out, right, dang.

475
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he really didn't have much of a chance.

476
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 2>So what he needed was medical attention, someone getting in there.

477
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Surge at stamp.

478
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

479
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:53.519
<v Speaker 2>So all while this was going on, while he was

480
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:56.359
<v Speaker 2>bleeding out, while investigators were frantically trying to figure out

481
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>what was going on, Golden and Joan drove back to

482
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:02.599
<v Speaker 2>a friend's where they dropped the car back off. A

483
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:05.559
<v Speaker 2>statement would be collected from Golden later, where it had

484
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.759
<v Speaker 2>her stating, we left the car on the street, separated,

485
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:13.119
<v Speaker 2>and walked to our homes. Joan said, forget you ever

486
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:13.559
<v Speaker 2>saw me?

487
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

488
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.039
<v Speaker 2>It was then clear to Goldean that Joan had no intentions,

489
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:21.240
<v Speaker 2>oh ever seeing her again.

490
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Shit, yes, that is some ultimate betrayal.

491
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes. And it was right then and there that she

492
00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:34.079
<v Speaker 2>realized this is pretty much on her shoulders and she

493
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:37.279
<v Speaker 2>was still left one big problem. She still had the

494
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:37.960
<v Speaker 2>murder weapon.

495
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.559
<v Speaker 3>Holy heck. And like in her mind, she's probably like, man,

496
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:43.599
<v Speaker 3>the person I just killed, is he really that bad?

497
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:45.799
<v Speaker 3>Because this person I thought was good as a monster?

498
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much? Oh? Pretty much?

499
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh sorry, I'm getting up, I'm making Ripley upset.

500
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>It's all good. She feeds off your energy, so.

501
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah she does. So.

502
00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she knew that she was if she was caught

503
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>with this gun, this murder weapon, she wouldn't be able

504
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.599
<v Speaker 2>to defend or explain herself in any way, right, So

505
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:08.559
<v Speaker 2>what she did. Her solution was she went to a

506
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 2>nearby grocery store and rented out a locker. She left

507
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>the gun inside it, and she probably thought that was that,

508
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 2>or at least she hoped she did. But even with

509
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.279
<v Speaker 2>all of Joan's planning, the police would soon be closing

510
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:24.839
<v Speaker 2>in mm hm. And they would be closing in because

511
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>when they asked if her husband had any enemies, Betty

512
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.680
<v Speaker 2>quickly gave them the name.

513
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 3>Joan Rabble and then Joan rats out her friend instantly.

514
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:37.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure.

515
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, they brought Joan in for questioning, but Joan played

516
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>it cool and gave them absolutely nothing.

517
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, here again, just don't listen, and my predictions are

518
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:47.200
<v Speaker 3>just at the fucking lunch here.

519
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:49.319
<v Speaker 2>You're way off course on a lot of this.

520
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I am.

521
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:52.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if this case is just not predictable

522
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 3>or if I'm tired, or what the hell's going on?

523
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, you did, you did get one thing right here

524
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.720
<v Speaker 2>that we'll be touching on here shortly, So just just

525
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.599
<v Speaker 2>hold hold onto your panty here. There was no physical

526
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 2>evidence to tie Joan to the scene, so they couldn't

527
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 2>hold her they had to let her go. But everything

528
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>changed when investigators received an anonymous tip about a certain

529
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 2>locker in a certain grocery store. Okay, now this anonymous

530
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>tip again it is I mean, it's anonymous. Yeah, but

531
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure we can guess who made.

532
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:29.240
<v Speaker 3>It, Joan, you think, Joe, I don't know. That's what

533
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 3>I think. But maybe I should say someone else because

534
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 3>my guess.

535
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Has been streat Well, that's not who i'd guess. You'll

536
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.400
<v Speaker 2>change your mind here. Shortly acting on the tip, the

537
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 2>authority searched the locker and found the murder wapping laying inside.

538
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course, it was easy to find who the locker

539
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:50.640
<v Speaker 2>belonged to once they trailed the rental information, and it

540
00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.000
<v Speaker 2>of course led them straight to Goldeing. Okay, now, when

541
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.400
<v Speaker 2>approached by police, Goldine was more than ready to talk,

542
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>and she started confessing almost as soon as the police

543
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 2>walked through her door.

544
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Which honestly will do better for her in the long

545
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 3>run for sentencing definitely and all that. Right.

546
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Goldean had time to think about what she'd done,

547
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 2>and now out from under jones influence for quite a

548
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>few days, Goldean had realized that she had been completely

549
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.880
<v Speaker 2>played and manipulated.

550
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.680
<v Speaker 3>And that she fucked up big. Yes, she took someone's

551
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:27.839
<v Speaker 3>life for God's.

552
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Sake, exactly. So earlier you did mention that Goldean would

553
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>realize that she was being controlled. Yeah, so right on that.

554
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.519
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, again, it was an anonymous call. I

555
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I'm pretty sure Goldean was the one

556
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>who called it.

557
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.839
<v Speaker 3>That tip for the Oh okay, that wasn't going to

558
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 3>be my second guest, just to kind of get this

559
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.599
<v Speaker 3>rolling where she could start confessing, hey, and getting it

560
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:48.200
<v Speaker 3>off her chest.

561
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she couldn't. She couldn't contain it. She realized she

562
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:56.039
<v Speaker 2>was used, and yeah, she's pretty much confessing. So police

563
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.079
<v Speaker 2>brought her back for questioning, and she began to tell

564
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 2>them everything that happened. She told him that Joan had

565
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 2>said everything and all these evil things about Peter Fabiano.

566
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 2>She told him about how Joan asked her to kill him,

567
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 2>and she'd driven Goldeine down to buy the gun and

568
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 2>even paid for it herself.

569
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

570
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Then Golden admitted that she didn't even know Peter or

571
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>really have any reason to kill him on her own.

572
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Her exact words were, quote, I had no motive personally,

573
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 2>whatever motive I had was to please Joan. I was

574
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 2>always easily influenced. I had been impressionable and was always trusting.

575
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of sad, hey.

576
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>It really is. She was completely taken advantage of, like

577
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent.

578
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, and I mean she probably thought that, like

579
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 3>they were kind of in a relationship of sorts, right,

580
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.319
<v Speaker 3>and that's exactly what they loved each other.

581
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

582
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:53.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's almost heartbreaking, really it is. You feel bad

583
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:55.920
<v Speaker 3>for her, but then a step back, she still murdered someone.

584
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.200
<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true, But Joan, she was using, You're

585
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>like a marionette puppet Jones, being a big old I mean,

586
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

587
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 3>She was a bitch, she was, yeah, terrible. Yeah, and

588
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 3>it also sounded too like Goldane was kind of in

589
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:14.759
<v Speaker 3>a place in her life where she was trying to

590
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 3>rebuild almost right, and the very susceptible to something like this.

591
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Through and through with that nail enough.

592
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, gosh, that's so sad.

593
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, with the confessions and evidence that followed, authorities

594
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>had enough to arrest and charge both of them. Joan

595
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.519
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't admit to anything and barely spoke to investigators, but

596
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:36.759
<v Speaker 2>they had everything they needed from gold Dean's confessions, and

597
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>the pair were taken to court. Whether you're both pleaded guilty, sorry,

598
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 2>not guilty both really my mistake on that. Amazingly enough,

599
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor had them psychologically examined to make sure that

600
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 2>they were able to stand for their plea and they

601
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>were sane enough to stand trial. Now, the reason for

602
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.000
<v Speaker 2>this was again we're going back to the nineteen fifth

603
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>these when homosexuality was considered a mental illness.

604
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh boy.

605
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and at the time of the prosecution, the prosecution

606
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 2>they actually wanted to find out if they could even

607
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>build a case against either of them, or if they

608
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>should just send them to a mental institution.

609
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

610
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, wait a minute, they're gay, should they

611
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 2>be in straight jackets? That's pretty much their thought process,

612
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>which is like, holy fuck, that's brutal.

613
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 3>That's disturbing.

614
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. So that's nice to see we've progressed

615
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>at least a little. But since then, yes, yep, doctors however,

616
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 2>did find both of them fit to stand trial. Okay,

617
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.000
<v Speaker 2>but they did also confirm a part of Goldin's experiences

618
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and in the evaluation of Goldean, the psychiacts. Sorry, psychiatrists

619
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>wrote this quote The only thought she had was that

620
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>she was saving her friend Joan Rabble from an evil person.

621
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 2>She became a handy tool or putty in the hands

622
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:02.240
<v Speaker 2>of miss Rabble.

623
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm. Wow. So I mean people are they're seeing what happened,

624
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 3>they're believing it and everything.

625
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

626
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 3>So I'm very curious to know what the fuck happens

627
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 3>with like sentencing and stuff.

628
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, for Joanes, she was diagnosed with apparently having schizoid personality,

629
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>but I was still found well enough to go to court.

630
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:29.319
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't surprise me, because she seems literally like a beach.

631
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Just because you're a beyach doesn't mean you're quote schizoid.

632
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.119
<v Speaker 3>Well no, no, not at all. But I already think

633
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.200
<v Speaker 3>that she was like, I'm not a fan of her,

634
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 3>and the fact that she's that that evil. I was like,

635
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 3>something has to be like not quite right.

636
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, she's dealing with some mental issues potentially. Yeah.

637
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not that I think you have mental issues. You're

638
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<v Speaker 3>beyond that is not what I mean.

639
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, Like I know plenty of people without mental

640
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 2>issues who are still biaces, trust me, probably more, probably more. Anyways,

641
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<v Speaker 2>by then, both of the women had changed their pleas

642
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<v Speaker 2>Golding went down the insanity route, and Joan pleaded guilty

643
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 2>to second degree murder. Okay, many people looking back at

644
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Joan's sudden change in her stance, they saw her not

645
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>wanting to receive a harsher sentence because of being homosexual.

646
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>She was still which was still illegal at the time,

647
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 2>and it could have actually influenced her trial. Oh okay, yeah,

648
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>but either way, they were both found guilty of second

649
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.839
<v Speaker 2>degree murder. As a result of the trial, they both

650
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 2>received a life sentence with a minimum of five years,

651
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 2>and from there, Joan kind of disappears from the history books.

652
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 2>There's no record of when or if she ever was

653
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>ever released, but we do know that Goldine was and

654
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy one she was released, and fourteen years

655
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 2>after the murder, she was an officer at the Professional

656
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Women's Club in Miracle Mile and she spent the rest

657
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.599
<v Speaker 2>of her life in Los Angeles before she died in

658
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight at the age of eighty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm glad that they both got the same because

660
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 3>that was what I was worried that Golden would get

661
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:11.760
<v Speaker 3>more than Joan.

662
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which I mean she was definitely the one who

663
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>pulled the trigger. So I can understand the concern forgetting more.

664
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I it's right that she got the same,

665
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:24.840
<v Speaker 2>but I'm almost at the same time like hoping she

666
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 2>got less because she was so manipulated.

667
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 3>You know, hoping. But then she still she did the.

668
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Act exactly, she still committed the murder. So it's like, yeah, no,

669
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.519
<v Speaker 2>that's totally fair. I can one hundred percent respect that

670
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>she should be serving time. Yes, yes, Now it's also

671
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:43.800
<v Speaker 2>a little tricky to pin down what happened to Betty

672
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Fabiano afterwards. We know she sold the businesses after Peter

673
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>had died, but some accounts say that she remarried in

674
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six. Now some say she didn't remarry. Some

675
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.599
<v Speaker 2>also say that she played a part in Peter's death,

676
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 2>but there's little to no evidence to prove that. We

677
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 2>know that she also died in her eighties, but she

678
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:09.800
<v Speaker 2>moved to Palm Desert, California, where she passed away at

679
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:13.159
<v Speaker 2>the age of eighty one. All in all, other than

680
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 2>what was found in the court process, it's unclear of

681
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>just how much of a role any of the women

682
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 2>were really involved in this case. I mean, of course,

683
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>we do know that Joan manipulated Golden, but we don't

684
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 2>really know to what degree, and we don't know if

685
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Betty was really involved. What we do know is it

686
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 2>was kind of like a messy love triangle situation that

687
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 2>caught the better of multiple emotions. And for some they

688
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>were simply trying to make sense of the world that

689
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>refused to make sense of them, and for others it

690
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:47.960
<v Speaker 2>may have simply been revenge. Who knows. For whatever the reason,

691
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.599
<v Speaker 2>this story has left more than a few people broken hearted.

692
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:55.639
<v Speaker 3>Though that theory Betty being involved is very interesting.

693
00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 2>It is, but again, there's no evidence zip because.

694
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 3>You have to wonder, Like I mean, it's a possibility

695
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.599
<v Speaker 3>that she decided to have gone back to him, being

696
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:11.519
<v Speaker 3>that the world wasn't very open to her situation and

697
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.920
<v Speaker 3>she wasn't happy, and like she was the one behind this.

698
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Not saying I could see it, not saying that's what

699
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 3>happened by any means, but I could see it.

700
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there could be some like we sit here and

701
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>we look and we say, oh, Joan was pulling all

702
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the strings behind the scene, Well, what if Betty was

703
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>pulling Joan's strings because Joan was pulling Golden.

704
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 3>Joan was obsessed with Betty.

705
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so who knows. Yeah, all we know is that

706
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:42.119
<v Speaker 2>at the cost of one man's life, this literally created

707
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>the most infamous murder tied to the spooky Halloween season

708
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.320
<v Speaker 2>in American history, that would go down in history known

709
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:51.519
<v Speaker 2>as the Trick or Treat murders.

710
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow, huh yeah, way to end Halloween Week.

711
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a good one to end off on.

712
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Very much though it was actually very interesting.

713
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 2>So what was your favorite episode from Halloween Week?

714
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Though?

715
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, am I allowed to look at them all?

716
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if I can remember.

717
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Off the top of your head. I'm surprised you're not

718
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>just going with the three urban legends right away.

719
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

720
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh could you forget about it?

721
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's all a blur. I can't even

722
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:22.679
<v Speaker 3>We need to go through what we've done. Come on,

723
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 3>please bring them up.

724
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, bring them up. I'll bring it up right now.

725
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Give us talk some entertainment while I'm pulling this up

726
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 2>on Spotify.

727
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we all know that I'm not very good at

728
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 3>talk and entertainment.

729
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Here, you can do it. I believe in you.

730
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh, what's okay? What's everyone's favorite Halloween candy. That's a

731
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 3>good Halloween snap. I got these really cool KitKat like

732
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 3>they were spooky kit cats or something. And so they're

733
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>like shaped is what are they shaped as?

734
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Like little monsters?

735
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.400
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, they're freaking delicious.

736
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 2>I was actually just talking the other day how slept on,

737
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh Henry bars are. They're actually fucking delicious.

738
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 3>They're good, So they're good.

739
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.119
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, I got the list of here.

740
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 3>I just have to say to finish this off. The

741
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.159
<v Speaker 3>only really Halloween County treat I don't love as Smarties.

742
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh also the emin ms that are just normal eminems.

743
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I like the pen and m and ms.

744
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>You might want to pronounce peanuts a little more and

745
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 2>not precisely.

746
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:14.480
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

747
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, what we covered so far was the Man with

748
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.639
<v Speaker 2>a Thousand Facesmyosuna scary shit, the hands resist him. The

749
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 2>haunted paintings Booky, the Hungarian vampire Bella Kiss Oh god. Yeah,

750
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>three Urban Legends version two Haunted places around the world.

751
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 3>That was fun.

752
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>The Alice killings.

753
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I already forget what that is.

754
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:43.119
<v Speaker 2>You forget what the alice? The playing cards oh shit. Yeah,

755
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 2>and then of course today the trick or Treat murders.

756
00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I would definitely have to say Urban Legends because

757
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Speaker 3>that shit's just fun. And I did like going around

758
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 3>the world. The haunted spooky locations around the world is

759
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of fun too.

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00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Those are definitely fun. I do have to say, though,

761
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Jami Osuna, the Man with a Thousand Faces, that was

762
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.119
<v Speaker 2>that was a ride and head.

763
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I do like this one too. I mean

764
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 3>I like them all, don't get me wrong, I like

765
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 3>them all. This one I found kind of interesting as well.

766
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.440
<v Speaker 3>But we'll do a post of sorts, say, and see

767
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 3>what other people's favorites are. It's kind of neat for

768
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 3>us to know.

769
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.480
<v Speaker 2>We'll learn too, definitely. So if you want to go

770
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>see that post, head over to our social media Instagram, Facebook,

771
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 2>you name it, all our links in the description below.

772
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.480
<v Speaker 2>You can check us out on Patreon. We can get

773
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>some behind the scenes content. And also if you just

774
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:30.800
<v Speaker 2>want to do us a favor and you don't want

775
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 2>to go sign up for Patreon or anything like that,

776
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 2>you can leave us a review that totally helps the show,

777
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>helps us get our name out there a little bit

778
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 2>more helps, so we would definitely appreciate that. But with

779
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>all of that wrapped up, that's a wrap that is

780
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Halloween Week.

781
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

782
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.599
<v Speaker 2>So just like last year, we're gonna hand this off.

783
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:52.639
<v Speaker 3>Take it away, Jacko.

784
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 1>With what can only be described as the blink of

785
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>an eye, the second annual Hallowing Week has come and gone.

786
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>It has been a pleasure these past seven days to

787
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.840
<v Speaker 1>serve you as your master of ceremonies through these tales

788
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 1>of Halloweing Week. Of course, I must return to my

789
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 1>slumber once again, But don't be sad. I am always

790
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>around in spirit. And if you light a single candle

791
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and listen closely to the flame flicker in the melting wax,

792
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>you might just hear my voice. You might just hear

793
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>my laugh. Until next time, stay wicked.