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Speaker 1: On April twentieth, nineteen ninety nine. What happened inside Columbine

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High School was quickly labeled a tragedy, but the official

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story left behind timelines that don't quite line up, warnings

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that were ignored, and questions that were never fully answered.

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As the years passed, sealed evidence, shifting narratives and the

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media myths only deepened the mystery of what really happened

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that day. Follow me down the rabbit Hole about the

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Columbine massacre. Hello, friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host Stanny, and today we are talking about

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the Columbine shooting. Thank you Meghan for requesting this episode,

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rabbit Hole doc Gold right now. When we talk about

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school shootings, people reference Columbine, Sandy Hook, and Virginia Tech.

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Most people believe that Columbine was the first school shooting

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in America. That is not true. It is the one

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most people remember. And point two when talking about school

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or mass shootings, and it left behind the lasting impression

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and it is often referenced when another school shooting happens.

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Most people do call it the deadliest school shooting to

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happen up until that point, but again not true. The

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first recorded school shooting to happen in our country happened

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before we were a country. On July twenty sixth, seventeen

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sixty four, in south central Pennsylvania, a group of four

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Native American Indians attacked a schoolhouse, killing the school master,

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Enoch Brown, and nine children. They then took two children

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with them as hostages, one of whom later died. This

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was during the Pontiac War, which was a Native American

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uprising against British rule in the Great Lakes and Ohio

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Valley region shortly after Britain defeated France in the French

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Indian War. After the Brits took control over the former

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French territories, they raised trade prices, restricted ammunition, and pushed

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westward into Native lands, all of which the French weren't doing.

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This broke the long standing agreement that the French had maintained,

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and then pissed off the Native Americans in that area,

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so they started to push back this shooting was collateral

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damage in that war. They primarily used firearms and edged

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weapons in the attack and proved that nothing was spared

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during times of war or political upheaval. This shooting is

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typically excluded from school shooting statistics because they classify it

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as an act of war instead of a criminal act.

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But that's where they are wrong. This shooting is as

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politically motivated as most of the shootings are in more

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recent history. But also this shooting doesn't fit their agenda.

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It is not un uniquely a post Columbine or post

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AR fifteen phenomenon that brings us to the next school

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shooting that they loved to exclude from the statistics. Firstly,

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most school shooting statistics start in nineteen sixty six, nineteen seventy,

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or nineteen ninety nine with Columbine. With this, they are

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trying to push a narrative that school shootings are uniquely

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modern and tied to the twentieth and twenty first century

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cultural factors, which is not the case. Also, in eighteen

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fifty three, when this next shooting happened, guns were very

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commonplace and solving issues with guns was pretty normal, Although

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not a mass shooting On November two, eighteen fifty three,

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in Louisville, Kentucky, a thirteen year old student named Matthew

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Ward shot and killed schoolmaster William H. F. Butler. He

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did this because Butler was mistreating his younger brother. Even

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though Ward shot Butler in front of his classmates, he

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was actually acquitted of all charges. Eighteen ninety one was

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a big year for school shootings in the US. On

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March twenty eighth, eighteen ninety one, a man with a

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double barreled shotgun fired upon a crowd of students and

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faculty attending a school expedition in Parson Hall Schoolhouse in Liberty, Mississippi.

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He wounded over fourteen people, most of whom were children.

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A few weeks after that, in April eighteen ninety one,

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a man opened fire inside Saint Mary's Parochial School in

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New York. This was probably not a copycat shooting because

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news didn't travel as quickly or as far back then

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as it does now. The first mass shooting in our

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history is normally awarded to the University of Texas Tower shooting.

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The other labels that are put on This shooting, in particular,

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is the first violent school shooting the first military connected

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shooting or the first violent killing spree in the US.

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On August first, nineteen sixty six, a twenty five year

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old Marine veteran, Charles Whitman, opened fire on the campus

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of the University of Texas Austin. Whitman had attended the

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school where he studied mechanical engineering. Charles Whitman grew up

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in a house with a father that was both physically

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and emotionally abusive. Despite that, he was a very intelligent child,

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with testing at age six revealing that his IQ was

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one hundred and thirty nine. He was also a boy

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Scout and attained the rank of Eagle Scout when he

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was only twelve. He graduated seventh in his class, and

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after graduation, he attended a party where, like most teenagers,

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he got too drunk. He then returned home in this

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drunk state and his dad beat him because of it.

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This was the final straw for Charles. He joined the

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Marine Corps three days after his eighteenth birthday and was gone.

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While in the Marines, he deployed to Guantanamo Bay. He

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was sent to the University of Texas at Austin in

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nineteen sixty one on a scholarship from the Naval Enlisted

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Science Education program, so he was still in the military,

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but basically like his service was on pause while he

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finished his degree. His roommate would point out after the

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shooting that Whitman stood at his window looking at the

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ut tower, stating, quote, a person could stand off an

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army from the top of it before they got to

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him end quote. Now to most this sounds like a

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damning statement. However, you have to remember that he had

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just gotten out of the military, or at least just

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gotten out of Guantanagua Bay, where his job was to

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think about these things constantly, so something like that doesn't

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seem totally out of the ordinary when you put it

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in context. The following year, he married his wife, whom

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he had met at university, and his grades were not

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up to par for the scholarship anymore, and in nineteen

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sixty three he was ordered to return to active duty

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at Camp Lea June. He was honorarly discharged in nineteen

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sixty four, and he and his wife returned to Austin

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because they liked it there. In early March nineteen sixty six,

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Charles's mother called him to tell him that she had

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finally had enough and she was also leaving his father.

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He was not upset by this news, and in fact,

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he drove all night long to get to his mother,

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who was in Florida, to help her move out of

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the house. Packed all the things, he called a deputy

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to come and stand outside the house. That way, if

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his father did show back up, he wouldn't try to

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stop him and his mother from leaving. He then moved

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his mom back to Austin with him. Leading up to

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the shooting, he had visited a psychiatrist. This was in

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a couple of months leading up to the shooting, and

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he discussed some pressure that he was under in frustration

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and distress that he was having. He also talked about

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headaches he would frequently have and self loathing he had

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after hitting his own wife twice throughout their entire marriage,

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and that was mostly because his father was abusive and

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he didn't want to be anything like his father. On

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July thirty first, nineteen sixty six, Whitman sat down to

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write the first of the two suicide notes that he

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would write. He was visited in the middle of writing

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this note by two of his friends. It was like

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a husband and wife pair, who said that he seemed

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quote particularly relieved about something, you know, as if he

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solved a problem. Later, he left to get his wife

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from work because they had one car and he had

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to go pick her up. She worked nights, and when

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they returned home, she went straight to bed because it

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was late. Shortly after midnight, he left to go to

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his mother's apartment. Once there, he stabbed his mother to

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death with a bayonet before placing her body on the

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bed and covering her up, which shows a morse. He

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then wrote a second suicide note and left it beside

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her bed. He returned home around three am, where he

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stabbed his wife to death repeatedly through the heart. In

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both of his notes, he stated that he loved his

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wife and mother and he did this to save them

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from the humiliation of what he was about to do. Later,

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on the morning of August first, he rented a hand

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truck before driving to his bank, where two hundred and

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fifty dollars worth of bad checks that's about twenty five

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hundred dollars today. Some of those checks were from his

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account and the others were from his mother's account. He

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then drove to the hardware store, where he purchased a

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thirty caliber rifle and two additional magazines and eight boxes

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of ammo, and then about thirty minutes after that, he

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bought four more magazines and six more boxes of ammo.

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semi automatic shotgun, and then he went home to get ready.

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He sawed off the button barrel of the shotgun and

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put the things he had purchased into his foot locker

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that he had kept from his military days, along with

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a Rimington Model seven hundred six millimeter bolt action rifle,

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a nine millimeter pistol, a twenty five caliber pistol, and

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a three fifty seven magnum revolver, and over seven hundred

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rounds of ammunition, so he was prepared. He then put

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on a blue khaki like overall suit in an attempt

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to look like a janitor or repairman, and headed to

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the University of Tech. And that actually worked, and we'll

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get there into a second. Once he was at the university,

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he wheeled his stuff to the main building of the university,

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took the elevator to the twenty seventh floor, and then

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climbed the final flight of stairs to the hallway before

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finally reaching the observation deck. There was a receptionist inside

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the room that led to the observation deck, and Charles

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knocked her out with the butt of his rifle when

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he got there. After hiding the body, he barricaded the door.

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A family was attempting to get past that barricade, so

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he shot at them, killing a sixteen year old boy

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and the aunt, and seriously injuring the nineteen year old

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brother and mother. The dad and uncle were uninjured, and

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they went for help after realizing they couldn't help their

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family members themselves. After that, he shot the receptionist who

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he had previously knocked out. At about eleven forty eight am,

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Charles began shooting from the observation deck. His targets were

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ran them, although most of them were shot on or

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near a section of Guadalupe Street known as the Drag,

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but I think that's also where he had the best

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vantage point. Two fifteen people were killed, including one unborn

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child because the first woman he shot was actually pregnant.

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Thirty one others were injured in the shooting. Four minutes

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after the first shots rang out, the police were called.

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The police, with the help of a retired Air Force tailgunner,

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Alan Crumb, ascended the stairs to the observation deck and

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were able to shoot and kill Charles Whitman. Now I'm

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sure you're thinking I thought this episode was supposed to

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be about Columbine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're getting there, I promise.

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But in this shooting specifically, which was arguably worse than

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the Columbine shooting in the number of tragedies, the shooter

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seemed to be programmed. He was already a prime subject

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because he grew up an an abusive household, and he

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had like trauma in his background, meaning that he would

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dissociate faster, and he was a boy scout and in

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the military, both of which are known to program participants.

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He had ticks right before and during the shooting that

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seemed to be evidence of his programming. Firstly, he loved

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both his mother and his wife like a lot. The

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fact that he would kill them just seems like odd

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to me, although not completely unlikely if he was going

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to carry out this plan of his own free will,

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like he was trying to save them the humiliation. I

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get that he might have killed them because he knew

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there was no way to break the programming. In the

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months leading up to the shooting, he was visiting a psychiatrist.

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This gives me major red flags because it could have

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been a couple things. For one, he was having terrible headaches,

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which is a side effect of programming, especially if you're

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trying to beat it. They put this failsafe in your

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brain so you can't uncover the altars that they want

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to cover up. But also this told the psychiatrist that

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something was happening with his programming. So like, what if

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the psychiatrists he was going to was a programmer and

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knew he needed to trigger soon, otherwise he would defeat

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his own programming. But then there's also the possibility that

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they triggered him because he was going to a psychiatrist.

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There's so many options. He also would start sentences and

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then not finish them, or like repeat parts, almost like

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a glitch. So the night before the shooting, while he

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was writing that first suicide note, and his friends dropped

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by his house just like hang out. Charles's wife was

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still at work, so it was only him in these friends.

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They stated that on two separate occasions, he would say

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something like it's a shame that Kathleen, his wife, should

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have to work all day then come home to dot

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dot dot dot dot. He would like trail off and

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he would just never finish his sentence. He would not

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elaborate on it, he would just move on. The Next day,

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when he was entering the main building, he found that

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the elevator wasn't working. So an employee, believing that Charles

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was a repair man because he was wearing the blue khakis,

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informed him that the elevator had been turned off and

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then activated it for him so he could take it up.

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In reply to that, he said, quote, you don't know

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how happy that makes me, how happy that makes me?

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End quote. They did learn during Charles's autopsy that he

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had a brain tumor and blamed the entire shooting on

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the side effects of that tumor. After this shooting, there

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was no policy change and it wasn't really heavily publicized

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because it would prove to the world that America was

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unstable and we just could not have that during the

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Cold War. But also twenty four to seven news media

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coverage was not a thing yet. So this brings us

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to Columbine, although not the next school shooting, nor the

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next mass shooting. It is the one that has referenced most.

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When these types of shootings happen, they call it the

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Columbine effect. Also, most people market the Columbine shooting as

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the deadliest school shooting in American history at that time,

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like nineteen ninety nine, We just learned that it wasn't,

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So it makes you wonder why they're pushing that narrative

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so hard. On April twentieth, nineteen ninety nine, Eric Harris

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and Dylan Cleebold murdered thirteen students at Columbine High School

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in Littleton, Colorado. Eric David Harris was born on April ninth,

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nineteen eighty one, in Wichita, Kansas. His father was an

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Air Force pilot and his mother was a homemaker. Because

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his father was in the Air Force, the family moved

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around a few times before finally settling in Littleton, Colorado,

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in nineteen ninety two after his father retired from the

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Air Force. Both his parents were born and raised in Colorado,

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so they decided to just come home. It is of

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note that after retirement, Wayne Eric's father went on to

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work for Flight Safety Services Corporation, which is a military

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contractor so just because he left the military doesn't mean

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he ever actually left the military. Dylan Cleebold was born

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on September eleventh, nineteen eighty one, in Lakewood, Colorado. Both

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his parents studied art at Ohio State University, although his

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dad moved from sculpting to engineering to be more financially

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stable for his family, while his mom worked with disabled children.

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Dylan was in the Gifted and Talented program in elementary

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school as well as being in the Cub Scouts. Eric

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and Dylan became really good friends in middle school because

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Eric didn't actually move to Colorado until seventh grade, and

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then he met Dylan shortly after. The pair were also

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friends with Brooks Brown, whom had been friends with Dylan

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since the first grade, and Nathan Dykman, whom they attended

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middle school with as well. At his schools prior to

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moving to Colorado, Eric was described as like a normal kid,

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very charismatic, but this move was hard on him. However,

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he didn't lose his likability or charisma, although he did

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start using it for bad instead of good, bragging that

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he could make anybody believe anything. By his junior year

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in high school, he had this reputation of being quick

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to anger and would often threaten people with bombs. Dylan

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was the opposite. He was quiet and shy. He too

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had a hard transition, but it was from elementary school

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to middle school that his transition was kind of hard,

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and he would hardly open up to people and was

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especially nervous in front of women. He became short tempered

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and was prone to sudden outbursts of anger. Starting at

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the beginning of his senior year, the pair were very close.

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They had other friends, but none as close to them

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as each other were. Unfortunately, because of their closeness, rumors

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started circulating that they were gay and romantically involved, and

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in fact, after the massacre, a lot of conspiracy theorists

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and then the Westboro Baptist Church also started spreading this

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rumor that they were gay when there's no evidence to

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suggest that, and in fact, just a couple nights before

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the shooting, Dylan went to prom with a girl. Their relationship,

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whatever manner it was, was definitely codependent. Some people describe

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Eric as being more dependent on Dylan, while in Dylan's

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journals he wrote that he felt alone and not accepted,

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leading some to believe that it was Dylan looking for

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validation from Eric, and in later interviews after the shooting,

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Brooks Brown would state that Dylan just followed Eric's lead

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and he was very controlled by Eric. Dylan's mother, who

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has gone on to write books about the signs she

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missed as a mother of a school shooter, said she

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believed Eric's rage was intimidating to Dylan's self destructive personality.

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They were basically just like feeding off each other. Contrary

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to popular beliefs, they were not total outcasts. Yes, they

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were bullied, but they had other friends outside of each

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other and were active in school play productions, operated video productions,

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and maintained the school's computer server. Dylan, like I said,

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even went to prom with a girl three days prior

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to the shooting. However, they were bullied because this is

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the nineteen nineties and clicks were a lot more aggressive

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then than they are now. If you've seen any high

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school movie or like rom com from the nineties or

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early two thousands, that's exactly how people acted in high school.

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In nineteen ninety six, Eric had created this private website

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on AOL used to host video games. On the website,

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he also started a blog where he would document the

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mischievous things he was getting up to, like vandalism and

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lighting fireworks with his friends. He referred to these acts

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as rebel missions, although like they kind of seem like

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normal kid thinks to me because I was doing very

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similar things, although not writing it on a blog when

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I was a sage. I would like spray paint and

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tunnels and light fireworks where I wasn't supposed to, Like,

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these are things that kids kind of do. But the

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blog got a little more intense as the time went on.

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In nineteen ninety seven, there were signs that Eric was

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getting angrier at society, and by the end of that

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year he posted instructions on how to make explosives on

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the blog. He also had posted threats like how he

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wanted to kill an injure as many of you I'm

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assuming his classmates as possible, specifically Brooks Brown. The Brown

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family reported this to the Jefferson County Sheriff's office, but

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nothing ever came of it, and in fact, we'll talk

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about the search warrant that they did create for this

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situation and then never used. In January nineteen ninety eight,

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the pair was arrested for breaking into a van and

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stealing tools and computer equipment out of it. They pled

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guilty to felony theft because of this break in, both

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boys kept journals. In Eric's he wrote about a plan

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to hijack an airplane and crash it into a building

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in New York City, which is very weird because that

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happened two years later. And for school, Eric had written

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a paper about Nazi Germany, while Dylan wrote about Charles Manson.

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The boys made five videotapes detailing their plans and reasons

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for the massacre. These videos included how they hid their

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weapons and deceived their parents, and the months leading up

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to the shooting. The boys acquired a number of guns,

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but they were only seventeen, so they asked their friends

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for help buying them or bought them illegally off people

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they know. In one instance, like Dylan's girlfriend, I'm assuming

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girlfriend she went to prom with him, she actually went

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to the Tanner Gun Show in Denver and bought three

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of the weapons for them, whereas Dylan bought a Tech

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nine pistol off of their boss from the pizza joint

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that they both worked at. Eric had a nine millimeter

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semi automatic rifle and a SOWD off shotgun, while Dylan

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had a nine milimeter pistol and a double barreled sawd

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off shotgun. Outside of the guns, they constructed a total

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of ninety nine bombs. They had pipe bombs, crickets which

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were like carbon dioxide cartridges filled with gunpowder, molotov cocktails,

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and propane tanks converted to bombs. They made most of

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the bombs in the weeks leading up to the shooting.

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The weekend prior to the shooting, they purchased two propane tanks,

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and then the morning of the shooting they bought at

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least one more, but some sources say that they bought

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the other six propane tanks that morning as well. On

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the morning of April twentieth, Eric and Dylan completed their

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final preparations. This included recording home videos and leaving behind

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written materials. They had also left two backpacks full of

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pipe bombs, aerosol canisters, and small propane tanks in this

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grassy open space about three miles southwest of the school.

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They did this on purpose because they wanted to divert

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attention away from what they were about to do at

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the school, hoping that this would cause a really big

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fire in this grassy area. Only the pipe bombs and

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one aerosol canister actually ignited, which did cause a small fire,

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but it was quickly extinguished by the fire department. Plus,

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it had been snowy in the week leading up to

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the twentieth, so the ground was wet, so it wasn't

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like it had a lot to burn. Eric stopped at

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a Texico gas station around nine twelve am and bought

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a propane tank. The pair drove separately and both arrived

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at school between like eleven and eleven ten am. The

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timeline shifts depending on which source, but also who you're

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talking to. The timeline is a huge point of contention

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in this entire massacre. They were seen moving around campus

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very calmly. In fact, Eric had run into Brooks Brown,

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whom he had previously threatened, although apparently they had patched

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to their relationship by then, because Brooke asked Eric where

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he had been, noting that Eric had missed a test

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that had happened earlier that day, which was unlike him.

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After exchanging a few words back and forth about this test,

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Eric told Brooks Brooks, I like you now get out

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of here, go home. Brooks, seeming to noticed that something

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was off, decided to listen to Eric and just took

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off walking down the road, went home, and then watched

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the entire masacre unfold on TV. Sometime between eleven ten

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and eleven fourteen, Eric entered the school through the west entrance.

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Not long after Eric entered the school, Dylan had a

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ride to the school and entered through the library. Both

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boys had bombs in their cars, which they parked on

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opposite sides of the school. They dropped two Duffel bags

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in the school cafeteria also called the commons, and the

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two boys met up outside the school. In the duffels

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were propane bombs. They had planned for this attack to

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be mainly a bombing, with the firearms as like a

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second dairy to the bombing, which is also why they

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were only armed with a nine millimeter and a shotgun each,

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because they didn't plan on shooting a bunch of people.

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They planned on bombing the school and then shooting whoever

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came out, which is why they dropped the bombs in

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the cafeteria and then went back outside the closest entrance

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to the cafeteria to shoot the people that came out.

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It is of note that no witnesses remember seeing the

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Duffel bags among the other student backpacks in the cafeteria. However,

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most people don't really pay attention, and the witnesses had

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just experienced this huge trauma, so they might not have

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even noticed that those Duffel bags were there. But what

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is interesting is that the custodian was replacing the videotape

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for the camera system at the exact time the boys

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were allegedly putting the Duffel bags in the cafeteria, so

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it wasn't recorded on tape. The school Resource officer or

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SRO usually ate lunch in the cafeteria, but that day

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he just happened to eat lunch in his car. After

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placing the bombs in the cafeteria, the pair went back

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outside and waited for the bombs to detonate, but they didn't.

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Had they gone off as planned, they would have killed

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or seriously wounded over four hundred students and compromised the

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structure of the building, meaning that the library, which was

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above the cafeteria would have collapsed down into the cafeteria.

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Their plan, had the bombs gone off, would have been

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to just like shoot and stab survivors while detonating other

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bombs they brought with them outside. They had moved to

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the top of the staircase on the hill at the

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southwest side of the school. The attack began at eleven

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nineteen am with Dylan throwing a pipe bomb, which only

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partially detonated at a couple having lunch outside. This couple,

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although I don't know if they were together, they were

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just like physically sitting next to each other, was Rachel

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Scott and her friend Richard. At first, they thought that

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this was kind of like a like a senior prank

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because they were only seventeen days away from graduation. So

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people kind of like saw this happening and they're like, oh,

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these guys are just being silly. But then Rachel was shot.

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She was actually shot four times, one of which was

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in the left temple, which killed her instantly. Her friend Richard,

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who was sitting with her, was shot eight times and

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left paralyzed from the chest down. And then there were

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three kids that are kind of like walking up the

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staircase towards Eric and Dylan, one of which Lance Kirkland,

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was shot four times and was calling out for help

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while lying on the ground. The other students thought that

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they were just paintball guns and even continued to walk

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toward Eric and Dylan. Dylan heard Lance calling for help,

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went over to him and said, sure, man, I'll help you,

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and then shot him in the face. Somehow, by a miracle,

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Lance survived that attack. One of the other boys, Daniel Rohbaugh,

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was not so lucky. He was shot and killed. They

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shot at a group of five other students that were

479
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,640
also having lunch outside, two of which were shot, but

480
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,799
luckily were not killed. Hearing the gun shots outside, a

481
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:47,079
teacher had the cafeteria evacuated. Dylan then made his way

482
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,480
into the cafeteria, likely to check on the bombs, but

483
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:53,319
didn't shoot any of the remaining students in there. Eric

484
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,119
had stayed outside shooting at the students that were in

485
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,240
the soccer field. They didn't hit anyone in that direction.

486
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,759
That's about the time they started walking towards the west

487
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,440
entrance to go inside the school, throwing pipe bombs along

488
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,920
their way. However, if we learned anything so far, they

489
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,839
weren't the best at making bombs think goodness, so only

490
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,480
a few of the pipe bombs actually detonated. One did

491
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,519
set the school on fire. They were causing quite a

492
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,480
bit of Ruckus, but most people still had no idea

493
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,000
what was actually happening. Again, they thought, like, it's the

494
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,400
end of the school year, right like Prom was three

495
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,839
days ago. These kids are probably doing a senior prank.

496
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,960
These kids, actually some of them. There's a teacher, Patty Nielsen.

497
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:38,000
She thought that they were like out making some school video,

498
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,599
like a video for class or something. And she went

499
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,319
down to tell them to like be quiet because they're

500
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:47,440
disrupting other people's classes. And then because she was on

501
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,119
her way like out the door, they were on their

502
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,680
way in the door, they saw her and the student

503
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960
that she was with, Brian Anderson, and they shot at

504
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,720
them through the doors. So her and the student took

505
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:00,000
off towards the library. When you walk through the door

506
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,599
on left sides of the cafeteria on the right side

507
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:04,720
of the hall, and then you go up the stairs

508
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,680
and it's a big staircase and you're at the library.

509
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:09,960
So she got in the library. She told all the

510
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,920
students to get on their desks and to keep quiet,

511
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,079
and then she called nine one one. There were fifty

512
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,759
two students in the library, along with two teachers and

513
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:21,359
two librarians at eleven twenty three am. The police arrived

514
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,599
and even exchanged gunfire with the boys before the boys

515
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,359
finally retreated into the building. So this was all happening

516
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,319
so fast. So they're walking towards the entrance. Patty Nielsen's

517
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,319
coming out to tell them to be quiet. They shoot

518
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:35,559
at her. Then the police show up. While they're doing that.

519
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:38,519
They turn around, exchanged gunfire with the police, and then

520
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,279
get into the building. Luckily, during that exchange with the police,

521
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,160
no one was hit. This is when they actually entered

522
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,880
the school together through the west entrance. They were walking

523
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,799
down the main hallway throwing more pipe bombs and shooting

524
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,599
at anyone they encountered. This was when they shot Stephanie

525
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,039
Munson in the ankle, but she was able to escape,

526
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,039
and in fact, she was a family friend of mine

527
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:06,799
years ago. I reached out to her for this podcast.

528
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:09,720
She did not reply. However, when she was shot in

529
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,079
the ankle, she was actually shot right between the ankle

530
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,759
bone and the achilles. It went straight through that fleshy part,

531
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,440
so she was able to still walk and she escaped.

532
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,680
I remember her telling me the story when I was

533
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,799
just a kid, and I was blown away by this.

534
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,000
They then shot out the doors to the east entrance

535
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,839
of the school before shooting at and missing other students

536
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,519
on their way to the library. On their way to

537
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:35,440
the library, they did encounter teacher Dave Sanders and another student.

538
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Dave was motioning for the students that were in the

539
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,880
library to stay there when he and the student saw

540
00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:44,720
Eric and Dylan, and then they turned around to run.

541
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,799
So Dave was one of the teachers in the cafeteria

542
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,400
evacuating it, and then he was trying to get the

543
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,880
students away before he encountered Eric and Dylan. When he

544
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,279
turned to run, Dave was shot twice in the back

545
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,079
and neck before Dylan tossed a pipe at him, and

546
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,119
actually the pipe bomb landed at him, but Dave escaped

547
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,960
and made it into a science classroom, and the student

548
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,920
he was with also made it into the science classroom unharmed.

549
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,200
I think. Then a student that was in the classroom

550
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:18,599
who was well versed and first aid administered first aid

551
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,960
to Dave Sanders for the next three hours until he

552
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:27,720
would ultimately bleed to death. At about eleven twenty nine am,

553
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,519
the pair entered the library, where they killed the most people.

554
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,640
They walked in, and almost instantly Dylan shot and killed

555
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,559
disabled student Kyle Velaska's they shot him through the top

556
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:43,039
of his head. They then announced that anyone with a

557
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:47,759
white hat or sports emblem on it was dead. Several

558
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:50,039
students then tried to hide their white hats because they

559
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,680
didn't want to be targets. Dylan then shot his shotgun

560
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,079
injuring three more students, one of which was Patrick Ireland,

561
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,720
while Eric fired a shotgun under a desk, killing Stephen Kernow.

562
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,119
When Eric shot Stephen, he wasn't even aiming. He literally

563
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,039
just nailed down and just shot under a desk. Patrick

564
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,680
Ireland would eventually be the boy in the window. That

565
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,559
is like the famous picture of this boy who had

566
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:17,079
made his way to the window and tried to fall

567
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,920
on to the swat vehicle from the window just to escape.

568
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,240
He didn't know at the time because he had passed

569
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,119
out he had become unconscious during the deaths of Eric

570
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,839
and Dylan that they were already dead anyway. While they

571
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,559
were still in the library, they were kind of taunting everyone.

572
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:38,200
Every time they would shoot, they yelled and cheered about it,

573
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:40,519
and in one instance hit the top of a table,

574
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,319
then knelt down and said peek aboo before shooting and

575
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,519
killing Cassie Barnall after being shot. Patrick Ireland was trying

576
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:49,640
to help his friend who had also been shot. He

577
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,519
was like trying to be a good Samaritan and in

578
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:54,039
the process his head came a bit above the table.

579
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,920
Then Dylan shot him again. Patrick was knocked unconscious from

580
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,359
that blast, but again he did live. Dylan then found

581
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,839
a group of three hiding under another table and announced

582
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,519
that he found an inward meaning like a black man.

583
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,799
They made racial comments toward Isaiah Shoals before Eric shot

584
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:14,599
and killed him, while at the same time, Dylan shot

585
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,720
and killed Matthew Ketcher. Next to Isaiah and Matthew was

586
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,519
Craig Scott. Craig didn't know it at the time, but

587
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:24,039
his sister, Rachel Scott, was the first to be killed

588
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,200
in this massacre. The pair continued walking around the library

589
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,119
and they shot a couple more tables, injuring more kids

590
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,279
and then killing Lauren Townsend. Moving to another table, Eric

591
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:40,119
shot and killed John Tomlin while injuring another student. Eric,

592
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680
returning to the table Lauren was sitting under, shot and

593
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,119
killed Kelly Fleming, who had been hiding with Lauren. All

594
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,319
the while, several of the students were playing dead covering

595
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,839
themselves in either their own blood or other people's blood,

596
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,839
trying not to be murdered themselves. Dylan came across an

597
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:03,480
acquaintance of his John on Savage. Savage asked Dylan, hey man,

598
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,720
what are you doing twich Dylan said, oh, just killing people.

599
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,960
John asked him if he was going to kill him,

600
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,639
and Dylan said no, you should run. John then of

601
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,280
course took off running, escaping through the cafeteria. After that,

602
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,679
Dylan shot at Daniel Mauser, but Daniel fought back before

603
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,760
being fatally shot in the face. Daniel is the only

604
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,719
one that we have evidence that actually fought back, and

605
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,079
he was only fourteen years old. They fired a couple

606
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:34,000
more shots, injuring a few more students. At eleven thirty

607
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,400
five am, Dylan shot Corey to Pooter, fatally wounding him,

608
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,960
and he was the last of the thirteen victims to

609
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:45,239
die that day. The gunman then taunted a few more times,

610
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,440
threw a chair onto the library desk, and walked out

611
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,239
of the library, making their way back to the cafeteria.

612
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,519
They shot a couple rounds and started a fire on

613
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,760
their way, but didn't injure anybody and just kind of

614
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,480
were shooting randomly. At that point in the cafeteria, they

615
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:05,039
tried to detonate the propane bombs again by throwing a

616
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:08,000
Maltov cocktail at them. The gallon of fuel attached to

617
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,559
the bomb ignited, causing a fire, but it was extinguished

618
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,639
by the fire sprinklers not long after that, because earlier

619
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,239
in their massacre they had started the school on fire,

620
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,360
so the sprinklers had gone off and the fire alarm

621
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,559
was going off. They left the cafeteria at about eleven

622
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,480
forty six am. For the next ten minutes or so,

623
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:30,440
they seemed to wander the school randomly, shooting at walls

624
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,599
in the ceiling. They returned to the cafeteria again and

625
00:35:33,639 --> 00:35:36,360
injured the kitchen before leaving once more and returning to

626
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,119
the library. At about twelve oh two pm, the police

627
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:43,639
were shot at through the library windows. They returned gunfire.

628
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:48,280
No one was injured in that exchange. Now the police

629
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,360
had been there since eleven twenty three, so for forty

630
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,599
minutes the police had been outside, not one person had

631
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:58,320
injured the school, which they get a lot of shit

632
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,039
for because into the school they were worried that they

633
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,440
were out gunned by the people in the school. Which

634
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,599
we'll get into it just a little while. By twelve

635
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,960
oh eight pm, both gunmen had killed themselves. It was

636
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:14,440
reported that Patty Nilsen, the teacher that had been hiding

637
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,920
in the library and that had called nine to one earlier,

638
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,079
said she heard them count to three before both pulling

639
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,639
the trigger at the same time. Yet she says she

640
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,000
never actually spoke to anyone regarding that statement. The massacre

641
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,599
was over in less than an hour, leaving fifteen dead

642
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:33,079
to include the shooters, and twenty three injured. No telling

643
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:37,039
how many students and teachers were left traumatized by the events,

644
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,880
especially because there were over nineteen hundred students enrolled at

645
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,000
the school that year, and that does not include the teachers.

646
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,400
And yes, not every single student was at school that day,

647
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,840
but even those students that weren't there, I have it

648
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,519
on good authority that many of them had survivor's guilt

649
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,079
because they weren't there. So even if they weren't there,

650
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,559
that's still their friends and their family they watched potentially die.

651
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,400
Families were told to gather at a nearby elementary school

652
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,119
and wait for information, wait for their student to be

653
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,400
brought to them, wait to hear if their child or

654
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,239
children were still alive. Now, this was a time before

655
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,920
cell phones. Well that's not necessarily true. There were cell phones,

656
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,239
but texting wasn't really a thing, and not everybody had

657
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,039
cell phones, so it wasn't like students were calling their

658
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,119
parents to let them know if they were in Clement Park,

659
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,119
which was adjacent to the school, or if they had

660
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,159
been brought to the elementary school, or if they were

661
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:36,440
even okay, and that waiting. I know firsthand. I got

662
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,559
the notification that the school my sisters were in had

663
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,960
an active shooter, and I couldn't get through to them

664
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,480
and didn't want to call my mom because her phone

665
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,840
needed to be free to get their phone calls. My

666
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,760
sisters texted each other when they heard gunshots at their

667
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,519
school and texted my mom that they thought that there

668
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,280
was a shooter in their school and that they were hiding.

669
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,199
And they texted my mom that they loved her each individually,

670
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:04,000
and then and they stopped texting her altogether. My sisters

671
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,519
were taken to two separate places because their school shooting.

672
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,360
They took some kids to the elementary school, some kids

673
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:14,599
to the church around the corner. They were all separated,

674
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,119
and my parents just had to wait in line at

675
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,119
each location and wait to see if my sisters were

676
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:23,440
even there, if they were even alive, and if they

677
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,960
were there, they then had to wait for the children

678
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,000
to be signed out to them. I can't imagine. I

679
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:33,679
cannot imagine being a parent of the kids at Columbine.

680
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,199
And in fact, one of my really good friends went

681
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,159
to Columbine. His brother was there the day of the shooting.

682
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:45,400
He remembers his parents feeling guilty for being relieved that

683
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,119
their child got off the bus when other parents were

684
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,320
still waiting, and in fact, his brother was the last

685
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,119
bus to arrive that day, but the other parents that

686
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,840
were there waiting they were told there's another bus coming,

687
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,519
and another bus never showed up. The families didn't get

688
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,679
officially notified that their child was dead until the following day,

689
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,400
and the families of the kids that Columbine learned of

690
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,559
the active shooter on TV. They didn't even get a

691
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,679
phone call about the events, because things like this just

692
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,800
didn't happen. The SWAT team finally arrived and stationed outside

693
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,320
the school at about noon, and a call for additional

694
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,760
police went out about twelve twenty pm. The SWAT teams

695
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,840
entered the school at one oh nine pm, two hours

696
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,719
after the shooting started. Unfortunately, the masses they had were

697
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,400
old and outdated, because there had been a new wing

698
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,800
added onto the school that the SWAT team was completely

699
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,880
unaware of. At about two forty pm, SWAT evacuated the

700
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,199
science room where Dave Sanders was being cared for by students.

701
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,360
The students who were keeping Dave alive were told to leave.

702
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,280
They said, leave him there, you guys go, Paramedics will

703
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,000
be right behind. Well. Then after the kids left, SWAT

704
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:57,320
moved Dave Sanders' body and the paramedics didn't arrive there

705
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,880
until twenty minutes later. The these students that had been

706
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,039
keeping Dave Sanders alive for three hours and were reluctant

707
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:06,760
to leave. They did not want to leave, but they

708
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,199
were told by SWAT, don't worry, he's gonna be taken

709
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:13,880
care of. Nobody performed any first aid or any life

710
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,440
saving measures in those twenty minutes, and Dave Sanders died.

711
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,320
He was found by paramedics at three pm with no pulse.

712
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,679
At three twenty two pm, the rooms adjacent to the

713
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,639
library were evacuated and they found the bodies in the

714
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:30,239
library at three point thirty. By four pm, the initial

715
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,480
estimate was announced of twenty five dead and fifty wounded.

716
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,559
Officials were worried that the bodies of the shooters had

717
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,880
been booby trapped, or that they had booby trapped other corpses,

718
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,880
but they found that that was not the case luckily,

719
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:47,320
and by four thirty PM the school was officially declared safe,

720
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,760
but the investigation was just beginning. They found explosives in

721
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,000
the parking lot and on the roof. They also found

722
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,039
Dylan's car in the parking lot was rigged up with

723
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,239
a bomb attached to the gas tank. The families of

724
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,400
the dead, like I said, were notified the next day,

725
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,880
but they left all the bodies in the school so

726
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:11,559
investigators could come in and photograph the entire building. They

727
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,960
just left them there. Like I said, I can't imagine

728
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:20,280
not knowing my child's whereabouts in an entire day after

729
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,519
there had been a shooting at their school. How cruel

730
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,559
is that? But of course at that point they probably

731
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,480
just assumed that their child is one of the victims

732
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,960
of the shooting. Memorials were held in the days and

733
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,480
weeks following the shooting. Every time someone erected fifteen of

734
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,599
something to commemorate those that died during the shooting. Daniel

735
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:42,760
Roeba's father would come and cut down the two mint

736
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,559
for the shooters. This happened on two separate occasions, once

737
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:49,159
with crosses and once with trees meant to commemorate those

738
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,840
that died that day, thirteen of which were left standing.

739
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:56,599
But as with anything of this magnitude, the conspiracy started

740
00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:01,280
circulating immediately. Let's start with the shoes. The number of

741
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,159
shooters was different, according to witness accounts. The investigators all

742
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,880
agreed on the third shooter's identity, and there was even

743
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,719
a guy led away from the scene in handcuffs, while

744
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,440
a student noted he was one of the guys that

745
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,280
shot at them. Maybe you could chalk it up to

746
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,239
misremembering if it was just one person, stating this third

747
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,800
gunman was shooting at them, But it wasn't just one person.

748
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,000
The mother of a student gave a description of the

749
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:30,480
shooter their child had seen, stating, quote, she looked up

750
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,199
and saw a gunman in a black trench coat with

751
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,320
a very huge gun. He had dark brown hair, thick,

752
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,039
bushy eyebrows, and was very ugly end quote, which didn't

753
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,719
really describe Eric or Dylan. Plus, their pictures were all

754
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,840
over the news at this point, so if it were

755
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,000
them that this girl had seen, she probably would have

756
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,519
pointed them out. In that same interview, the mother was

757
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,960
asked if the gunman was a student, and she replied

758
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,639
that her daughter did not recognize him as a student.

759
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,760
In her report, I found at least ten students saw

760
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,559
two guys carrying shotguns and wearing black trench coats and

761
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,639
a third guy wearing a white T shirt and jeans,

762
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,320
throwing bombs onto the roof. In the most well known

763
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,519
security picture from the shooting, one of the boys is

764
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,119
wearing a white T shirt while the other is wearing

765
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:21,320
a black T shirt. Neither of them are wearing trench coats.

766
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,800
This is also confirmed by a leaked photo of the

767
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,719
pair dead on the floor in the library. Neither of them,

768
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,239
like I said, we're wearing trench coats. One is in

769
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,599
a black T shirt, one's in a white T shirt.

770
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,159
Dozens of witnesses actually claimed they saw five to eight

771
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,800
shooters that day, many of them stating that Eric and

772
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,719
Dylan were among the shooters, but which were not alone.

773
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,840
One student even claimed that Eric and Dylan along with

774
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,519
four other guys showed her a map of where they

775
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:53,119
would bomb the school in the days leading up to it. Now,

776
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:55,480
we do have to take into account that trauma like

777
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:59,760
this can cause memories to be unreliable. But when we're

778
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,920
taught talking about the difference between two gunmen and eight gunmen,

779
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:11,320
that's a huge significant discrepancy. You're not gonna misremember two

780
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,599
to eight. You might misremember seven to eight or even

781
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,199
six to eight, but two is a pretty distinct number.

782
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,599
But it makes sense that there would have been more

783
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:27,079
shooters because when the police called for backup, they stated

784
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,760
that they were outgunned. The reason they didn't go into

785
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,000
the school is because they thought that they were gonna

786
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:36,039
lose in a gunfight. They said they were so outgunned

787
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:38,679
that they needed backup. They waited for swat. They didn't

788
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,400
go into that school because they were outnumbered. You're not

789
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,760
out numbered with two guys with two guns. That's four

790
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,280
guns total, Like, that's not outnumbering the police. But eight

791
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,079
gunmen with two guns each. That could be a different story.

792
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:57,639
And there are reports after Eric and Dylan died, the

793
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,719
two shooters were dead and at least two more were

794
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,639
still active in the school, and then some students actually

795
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,880
reported hearing gunshots and explosions in other parts of the

796
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,320
school while the attack in the library was happening. It's

797
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,440
been suggested that the other shooters, however many there were,

798
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,639
were part of the trench Coat Mafia as well. In fact,

799
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Nathan Dyckman, who was a trench Coat Mafia associate which

800
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:21,840
meant that he didn't actually wear a trench coat but

801
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,840
was friends with the group, said there were two more

802
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,239
shooters in the school with Dylan and Eric and that

803
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,000
quote they decided to bail end quote seeing that Eric

804
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,480
and Dylan went through with it while the others did not.

805
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,039
He was suggesting that the other two were also there shooters,

806
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:41,239
but left before it was time to kill themselves. The

807
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,400
other two suspected shooters were actually named by another student

808
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,559
to be Chris Morris and Robert Perry. Chris worked at

809
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,239
Blackjack Pizza with Eric and Dylan and was confirmed to

810
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,639
be part of the trench Coat Mafia. He was also

811
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,920
present during the making of many of the bombs, and

812
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,519
he and Nathan were on Eric and Dylan's bowling team

813
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,960
in their bowling class. Yes, they had a bowling class.

814
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,559
Chris and another Guy Tad Bowles were the first two

815
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,599
to start wearing trench coats around the school their freshman year,

816
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,840
and then the name trench Coat Mafia was actually meant

817
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,119
to tease them, but just stuck and they really went

818
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,719
with it. Chris was allegedly not at the school at

819
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,320
the time of the shooting, stating that he was playing

820
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,239
video games with another trench Coat Mafia member, Corey Freesan.

821
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:27,519
Corey had not been a student at Columbine for at

822
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,480
least two years. I'm not sure if he dropped out

823
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:31,559
or if he graduated, but he had not been to

824
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:35,079
the school for at least two years. Robert Perry was

825
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,679
also a member of the mafia. He had dropped out

826
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,119
of school a few months prior to the shooting and

827
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,119
allegedly stopped talking to Eric at that time, and according

828
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,159
to him, he hardly knew Dylan at all, like he

829
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,119
only knew him as Eric's friend and only knew his

830
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:56,559
first name. However, Robert was named specifically by a dozen

831
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,800
students as the person they saw shooting. Chris was named

832
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,360
by at least three people. Robert said he was at

833
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,199
home sleeping when the shooting happened because he had an

834
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,119
overnight shift at a local grocery store the night before,

835
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,559
and then when a lot of the witnesses were saying,

836
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,400
I swear I saw Robert Perry most of the time,

837
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,800
the police were like, are you sure you didn't actually

838
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,280
see Dylan Claibold because the two look similar. But one

839
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,199
of the girls, specifically, she was like, no, I know

840
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,440
the difference between Robert and Dylan, and I did not

841
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:32,079
see Dylan. I saw Robert. But every single time they

842
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:37,920
were discredited, thrown out, not believed. There were other shooters

843
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,360
described by students that didn't fit the description of Eric, Dylan,

844
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:45,400
Robert or Chris. What we know for sure is Dylan

845
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,280
and Eric stuck together during the massacre. If there were others,

846
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,360
they may have paired off as well. What's crazy is

847
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,320
that Chris Morris gave interviews after the shooting, acting calm

848
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,880
and blaming the whole thing on Eric and Dylan. There

849
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,559
is another possibility. Some witnesses claim they saw a middle

850
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,280
aged man with this chiseled face during the shooting, and

851
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,239
this guy seems to be calming Dylan down as if

852
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,679
like a parent figure or maybe like a handler. Just

853
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,159
seemed odd, But again, any reports of any other shooter

854
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,559
were completely dismissed by the police. But this all can

855
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:29,239
be cleared up with forensics. Right, not quite. It is

856
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,440
possible to match a bullet to a specific gun, even

857
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,599
if it's the same caliber. This was common practice in

858
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:40,960
nineteen ninety nine. I checked, because I didn't know when

859
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,679
it started becoming common practice. They could have said that

860
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,239
this nine millimeters shot came from Dylan's gun, while this

861
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,360
other one came from Air's gun. That is something that

862
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,559
they absolutely could have told. But if the bullet was

863
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,639
too damaged, didn't retain clear rifling marks, or the barrels

864
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:03,280
were either new, heavily worn, or deliberately altered, then it

865
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:08,719
was not necessarily possible to determine that Columbine generated an

866
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,480
extraordinary volume of ballistic evidence for its time. They recovered

867
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,119
spent shell casings, bullet fragments from walls, furniture, and victims,

868
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:21,480
and live rounds. What they found was interesting, for sure.

869
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:27,280
Three different calibers were used nine millimeter, forty caliber and

870
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,199
twelve gage shotgun rounds. If you remember, Eric and Dylan

871
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,519
were each with two guns. Each of them had a

872
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,320
sowd Off twelve gage shotgun and a nine millimeter one

873
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,440
had a pistol, one had a rifle, but they were

874
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:44,000
both nine millimeter, so who was shooting the forty caliber.

875
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,920
They did conclusively match some bullets and casings to the

876
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,360
known guns, which is to be expected. The guns were

877
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,360
found right there next to the gunmen, but many were

878
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,559
deemed inconclusive due to fragmentation, damage from impacts, and because

879
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,360
of the fire and explosions in the building. But this

880
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,960
only half helps when it comes to the autopsies. In

881
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:11,000
several cases, medical examiners could determine the caliber which killed

882
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:14,960
the victim, but not necessarily which firearm, so they don't

883
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:20,239
say absolutely which gun was responsible for each death. But

884
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,639
the autopsies in general are a bit interesting. They were

885
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,360
sealed a little over a month after the shooting, probably

886
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,639
because of the high profile nature of the case, the

887
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:32,800
sensitivity of it, and the fact that most of the

888
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,599
victims were minors, which are all reasons that they might

889
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,920
seal autopsies. However, they have been unsealed. The victim's autopsies,

890
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,480
outside of what I've already mentioned, is as you would expect,

891
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,280
they got shot and they died from their gunshot wounds,

892
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,400
depending on who was shotwear What's interesting is Dylan Kleebold's autopsy.

893
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:57,039
He was shot in the left temple with the large

894
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:02,679
caliper bullet. I have heard in other instances that it's

895
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,280
odd that someone who is right handed would shoot themselves

896
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,000
in the left temple, and that is correct, it is weird,

897
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,239
But Dylan was left handed, so to shoot himself in

898
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,559
the left temple actually makes perfect sense. What doesn't make

899
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,519
sense is that he was shot with a large caliber.

900
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,760
A nine millimeter is not considered large caliber, and there

901
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,480
was no powder stippling. Powder stippling is usually present in

902
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,199
self inflicted gun wounds and would be present if the

903
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,840
gun was six inches or closer to the head, and

904
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,840
at about six inches away, your arm starts to turn

905
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,920
a bit, especially while like pulling a trigger. So the

906
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,639
exit wound, which came out almost directly across from where

907
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:48,039
he would have been shot, wouldn't make sense for being

908
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,239
six inches away. If he shot himself. This makes me

909
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,559
think that he didn't pull the trigger. But it gets

910
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:59,000
weirder so later in the wound summary, it says that

911
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,119
powder is a associated with the wound and that it's

912
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,440
consistent with a nine milimeter ammunition, and this isn't the

913
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,800
only discrepancy. The cover page of this autopsy says Eric Harris,

914
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,679
but at the top of each page it says Dylan

915
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,079
Cleebold and it's consistent with the story that we know

916
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:18,119
of Dylan's death. Plus, there is this hand written page

917
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:21,159
that briefly explains three of the autopsies done, one of

918
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:25,199
which was Dylan. This page says, quote one near contact

919
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,960
small caliber POW nine milimeter meaning powder nine milimeter bullet

920
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,079
left temple exit, right temple end quote. It makes me

921
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:38,360
wonder if they were told what they needed the autopsy

922
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,639
to say after they had already begun, because the first

923
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:45,039
three pages says that it's a large caliber with no powder,

924
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,719
and then the last three pages it changes to say

925
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,239
that it was a nine milimeter and that powder was found.

926
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,159
This autopsy is about eight pages long and it goes

927
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:01,440
through each of the different body parts of Dylan. He

928
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:04,719
had no drugs or alcohol in his system, but Eric

929
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,960
did have an antidepressant in his system. He had three

930
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,480
hundred and ninety nanograms per milli leader of fluvoxamine in

931
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:16,599
his system. That could have been his dose because they

932
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,760
do note in his autopsy that therapeutic levels range from

933
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,719
fifty to nine hundred nanograms per mili leader, so he

934
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,119
was right in that range, and fluvoxamine is also used

935
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,360
for like an obsessive compulsive disorder as well as an antidepressant.

936
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,280
But this disputes the theories that he had gone off

937
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,559
his antidepressant that had been spouted by the media for years.

938
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:47,559
Some people believe that Eric shot Dylan before shooting himself. However,

939
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,519
I have seen the photo of the boys dead on

940
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:53,360
the floor in the library and even I don't think

941
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,840
that's true, and I'm not an expert. So Eric was

942
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,760
said to lean against the bookshelf and then shoot himself

943
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,719
with his shotgun in his mouth, which is consistent with

944
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,039
where he is in the picture. Where he was it

945
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,519
seemed like he was leaning against the bookshelf and had

946
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:11,039
fallen over just to the side. Dylan was said to

947
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:13,559
be kneeling down when he shot himself in the head.

948
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,920
Now I'm not sure if he was kneeling because obviously

949
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,119
he fell over, but it looks like blood and brain

950
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,840
matter are on the lower half of Eric's pants. Dylan

951
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,840
when he landed his head was actually right next to

952
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:32,559
Eric's shn and if Eric had shot Dylan, the blood

953
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,519
and like brain matter would not have been on his pants.

954
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:38,440
So to me, it does not look like Eric's shot

955
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,800
Dylan before shooting himself. But again I'm no expert. Look

956
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,159
up the picture yourself. I'm not putting it in the

957
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:48,719
video because I don't want this video get taken down.

958
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,639
There may have been signs that this attack was going

959
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,840
to happen. The Jefferson County Sheriff's Department had a drafted

960
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,199
AFFI David for a search warrant of Eric's house more

961
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,440
than a year before for the shooting because of some

962
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:04,039
things that he had put on his web page, specifically

963
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,599
about Brooks Brown, and yet they never executed it. We

964
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,320
talked about this a while ago. So just ten days

965
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,920
after the shooting, several high ranking officials all got together

966
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,599
to discuss the search warrant that was never executed, and

967
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:23,559
they decided just not to disclose it. They didn't need

968
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:26,320
to be disclosed. We're just gonna hide that away. Eventually,

969
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,159
the drafted Affi David and the entire investigation file was

970
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,719
just lost. No one knows where it's at, which is

971
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,960
not true. They destroyed it on purpose. Of course, everything

972
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,440
has a way of coming out in the end, and

973
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,679
then We've got a few other things that are kind

974
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,519
of small but significant enough that I wanted to bring

975
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:49,880
them up. You have the bomb placement in the cafeteria.

976
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,559
Many people dispute the narrative of the placement of the

977
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,719
bombs in the cafeteria that morning. It was the first

978
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,239
thing Eric and Dylan did, and it possibly disrupts the

979
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,239
entire time line of events. It was assumed that they

980
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,639
placed the bombs during the videotape change of the security system,

981
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,440
because they didn't have the exact placement on videotape, so

982
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,440
they assume that that's when it happened. However, authorities also

983
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,840
speculate about the bombs being placed in the cafeteria the

984
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,559
Saturday night prior during the after prom party that was

985
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:23,480
held in the high school. I know in other places

986
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,800
you guys hold after prom parties, like in houses, but

987
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,000
in Colorado, it's pretty common that they have an after

988
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:33,920
prom at the school that goes from like midnight or

989
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,199
like eleven PM until five am the next morning. This

990
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:42,159
is to like minimize drunk driving incidences. So they were

991
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:46,239
having an after prom party. It could have been dropped

992
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,639
during that party, But then wouldn't somebody have seen it.

993
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,480
They have to clean up after after prom. But there's

994
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:56,599
also some people, some like internet sleuths, that claim that

995
00:56:56,679 --> 00:57:00,039
they watched the video footage, that they watched it so

996
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,719
in depth and you can actually see before the tape change,

997
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,719
the bombs were being placed around ten fifty eight am.

998
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,760
This is important because it disrupts the entire timeline of

999
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:17,000
events by fifteen minutes, which gives possible other shooters a

1000
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:20,440
window to get out of there. The victims' families have

1001
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:24,000
been disputing the timeline for years, but are also told

1002
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:27,960
they're just wrong, that they don't know because they're just

1003
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:31,920
trying to make sense of their family member's death. But

1004
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:36,599
dozens of witnesses said they saw another guy, a third guy,

1005
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,400
Robert Perry, placed those stuffel bags, not Eric and Dylan.

1006
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,519
Not only that, but the school resource officer usually ate

1007
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,519
lunch in the cafeteria with the students, but that day

1008
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,800
he just happened to decide to eat lunch in his

1009
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,000
car in the parking lot, Like did he know what

1010
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:57,199
was gonna happen or was it just like a happy

1011
00:57:57,239 --> 00:58:02,719
little accident. I don't know. Some people point to the

1012
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,639
weird education that students had received as to giving the

1013
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:10,639
boys the push in this direction, not the idea, but

1014
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,559
the final nudge that they needed to execute this plan.

1015
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:19,519
Death education was implemented in Columbine High School in nineteen

1016
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:23,519
eighty four. This education, similar to how sex education explains

1017
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:27,800
a bit about sex, involves discussions on mortality. The students

1018
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,599
would visit mortuaries and cadaver labs on field trips, and

1019
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:34,440
the idea of this education was to teach kids about

1020
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,079
the consequences of risky behavior. However, the way they went

1021
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:40,559
about some of the teaching is leading us down the

1022
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:44,639
rabbit hole back to Project Monarch. In the classroom, the

1023
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,079
students are told to close their eyes and are guided

1024
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,159
into a trance state while they focus on a dead

1025
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:52,360
loved one or a place where they have experienced a

1026
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:57,039
significant loss. This would basically re traumatize the students, many

1027
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,719
of which reacted very poorly to this state, bringing the

1028
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,719
trauma to the surface and caused several students to cry.

1029
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:10,639
Psychologists warned teachers against this because it could cause unnecessary

1030
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:14,519
trauma when done by a non professional like a teacher

1031
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,480
not trained in psychology, and in fact, most teachers teaching

1032
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,559
death ed only attended a one day training on it.

1033
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,039
A psychologist speaking on this training said the training was

1034
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:27,800
not powerful enough to keep troubled kids out of trouble,

1035
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:32,079
but it was powerful enough to draw the untroubled kids

1036
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:37,159
into trouble, which is dangerous. And there are kids that

1037
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,000
attended this death ed class that claim that they were

1038
00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:44,239
seduced into suicide attempts. So twenty twenty did an expose

1039
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:48,039
on this type of education, and one of those students

1040
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:51,119
that said that they wanted to commit suicide after this

1041
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:54,960
class was actually from none other than Columbine High School.

1042
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:59,559
The teacher teaching this class at Columbine was weaving their

1043
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:02,960
own belo leave of reincarnation into the teaching. We know

1044
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:06,480
from the Project Monarch episode that it's believed people turn

1045
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:10,199
into butterflies when they're looking for the reincarnation. We also

1046
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,719
know from that project that kids of military officials are

1047
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,440
usually chosen to be programmed. Eric's father was in the

1048
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,199
military and Dylan was in the Gifted and Talented and

1049
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:25,800
Boy Scouts as a kid. Both are primed for programming. Anyway,

1050
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,920
the teacher was telling these kids that when they died,

1051
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,199
they would get to learn all the knowledge that God knows,

1052
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:34,639
and then they get to be reincarnated with some of

1053
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:41,239
that knowledge. They were packaging death as this exciting thing. Tara,

1054
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:44,519
the girl from Columbine, was planning her suicide because of

1055
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:49,800
how appealing they made it seem. She literally went out

1056
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,760
she found a suitable cliff because she was going to

1057
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,039
drive her car off this cliff, but she decided to

1058
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:58,199
go back home one last time before actually committing the acts.

1059
01:00:58,239 --> 01:00:59,519
She wanted to see her family. She wanted to say

1060
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:01,920
goodbye without them really knowing that it was goodbye. But

1061
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,599
she said that her dad actually met her at the

1062
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,280
door and could tell that something was off. She was

1063
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,960
saying things like it's not really me, it's not really me,

1064
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:12,400
and her parents knew something was really wrong, so instead

1065
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,719
of letting her out of their sight, they just took

1066
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:17,440
her straight to the hospital for help. But if that's

1067
01:01:17,519 --> 01:01:20,440
what effect this class can have on this like good student,

1068
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,880
because she said that she was already very academically inclined

1069
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,159
and she enjoyed learning a lot. That's why she wanted

1070
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:28,440
to die so she could learn all the knowledge of God.

1071
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,519
Then what effect did it have on the kids that

1072
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:34,639
potentially were already programmed or at least went through the

1073
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:38,000
beginning stages of programming, because we know that not every

1074
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:41,000
kid that goes through the Gifted and Talented program gets

1075
01:01:41,079 --> 01:01:45,639
fully programmed. Actually most kids fail out right. And of course,

1076
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,719
the school denied all allegation that they were involved in

1077
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:54,000
any of Terra's problems. She said she had thought about

1078
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:56,840
suicide but would never have gone through with it, but

1079
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,320
the things that they learned in that class taught them

1080
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,800
to be brave enough to face death. To top it

1081
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,480
all off, the schools were teaching death education without letting

1082
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,920
the parents know what their student was learning about, which

1083
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,400
seems to be the problem with public education. They think

1084
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,159
that they can do whatever they want, they don't have

1085
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:17,880
to be accountable with the parents. It's also unclear as

1086
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,599
if this class was optional or if it was mandatory

1087
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:23,960
for all kids. But this isn't the only thing that

1088
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,360
points to some kind of programming. Looking at this massacre

1089
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,559
as a whole, it seems like they wanted people to

1090
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:33,599
be able to recreate it, which I know sounds crazy.

1091
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,840
They were trying to push an agenda with this massacre.

1092
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,599
This wasn't the first school shooting, nor was it the

1093
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,559
deadliest school shooting up until this point, Yet the narrative

1094
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,880
follows this shooting with very few questioning it. The FBI

1095
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,400
had come onto the scene right away. This is to

1096
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,199
be expected, especially when something of this magnitude happens right

1097
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,360
although the FBI is only supposed to help the local

1098
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,360
government if asked, and the local government was so thankful

1099
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,239
to have them there because they didn't really know what

1100
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,199
to do. They didn't really know what they were dealing with,

1101
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,159
and they were hoping that the FBI did. And boy

1102
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:12,719
did they almost as if they knew exactly what was happening.

1103
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,960
In nineteen ninety seven, two years before the massacre, there

1104
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,840
was a video made that depicted trench coat wearing, gun

1105
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,880
toting students making their way through the halls of Columbine

1106
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,000
High School. This video ends with a special effects explosion

1107
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,119
of the school, but of course it was just a video.

1108
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:33,400
It was just for fun. Interestingly, this video was co

1109
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,760
produced by the son of the FBI's lead agent on

1110
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:41,159
the case. Yep, you heard that right. Plus that means

1111
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,960
there was a conflict of interest for the FBI's lead

1112
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,039
agent because his son went to Columbine. But it goes deeper.

1113
01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:52,639
His younger son was actually in the cafeteria the morning

1114
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,639
of the massacre was an eyewitness to the entire event,

1115
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,440
like to make sure it went smoothly, or to spread

1116
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,719
the narrative that the FBI was trying to push. I

1117
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:05,639
don't know. Luckily, for the boy, he escaped after seeing

1118
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:10,119
one of the bombs explode. Supervisory Special Agent Dwayne Feusler

1119
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:13,000
later explained that his son's film was meant to be

1120
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:16,559
a comedy and does not impede his ability to work

1121
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:21,199
the case, especially because everyone's child makes films that depict

1122
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,199
the exact way a school shooting will inevitably happen in

1123
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,039
the future. Oh, by the way, Brooks Brown was the

1124
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:32,519
other producer on the film, because remember that the son

1125
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:35,440
was the co producer, Brooks Brown was the co producer

1126
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,760
with him. If you remember Brooks's friends with Dylan since

1127
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,760
elementary school, Eric threatened his life, which is actually what

1128
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,320
led to the search warrant that was never executed. Then,

1129
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,639
in the morning of the shooting, Eric saw Brooks in

1130
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:48,760
the parking lot and told him to go home, and

1131
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:54,280
Brooks later granted everyone that would ask interviews about the

1132
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:58,920
incident enthusiastically, might I add, and then he stated that

1133
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:02,360
Dylan got taken by Eric and that he was a follower,

1134
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,599
and that the pair was never liked by anyone. But

1135
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:09,920
by connecting Feusler's son to Brooks Brown, we can assume

1136
01:05:10,519 --> 01:05:15,440
he was at least associated to the Trench comafia. Yet

1137
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:18,400
they still decided that there was no conflict of interest

1138
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:23,719
for Dwayne Fussler, the FBI agent, which I think is

1139
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,880
crazy because at the very least his children going to

1140
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,519
that school is a conflict of interest, and at the

1141
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:36,079
most his son knew what was happening, or maybe the

1142
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:39,559
FBI did and they planned it all along. In fact,

1143
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:44,079
Attorney General Janet Reno, who was heavily criticized for both

1144
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:47,400
Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing, stated, quote, it was

1145
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,679
a text bookcase of how an investigation should be run

1146
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,880
end quote. But of course she would say that, isn't

1147
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,320
it odd that all three of these horrific events happened

1148
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,480
under the presidency of Bill Clinton. I thought that interesting.

1149
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,360
I thought i'd include that because this also happened right

1150
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,840
after he was acquitted for the impeachment charges he was facing,

1151
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,840
almost as if the massacre were twofold one. They take

1152
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:16,280
more control of our children and their schools slowly by

1153
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,960
making parents beg for more government oversight, and two people

1154
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,719
are not talking about his impeachment anymore. Now that's what

1155
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,639
Clinton calls a win win. What was the goal of

1156
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:28,199
this whole thing, right, Because I keep saying that there's

1157
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,599
a goal, I keep saying they wanted this, but why.

1158
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,480
Of course people will talk about gun control as the reason,

1159
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,840
and it absolutely could be one of the reasons. However,

1160
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,960
no major gun control laws were passed directly in response

1161
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,199
to the Columbine massacre, so I'm not so sure that

1162
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:47,400
that was actually the goal of this. The other more

1163
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,519
plausible reason is that they wanted to continue to instill

1164
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:54,679
fear in the American people. This started well before Columbine.

1165
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,159
I just mentioned at least two other major massacres that

1166
01:06:57,199 --> 01:06:59,719
happened in the nineteen nineties alone, and they weren't the

1167
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,159
only two. I mean, in nineteen ninety three, there was

1168
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:06,039
a terrorist attack on the World Trade Centers, the first

1169
01:07:06,039 --> 01:07:08,360
one before the two thousand and one collapse of the

1170
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,159
trade centers. These types of events, although they seem to

1171
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:16,719
bring a community together, temporarily, ultimately rip communities apart, and

1172
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,840
that was the goal. Shooting after shooting, massacre after massacre,

1173
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:24,360
These will rip the fabrics of our country to shreds,

1174
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,239
and we can see how blatantly it has worked because

1175
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,199
after every tragedy, people are fighting now instead of coming

1176
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:32,119
together like they used to. I mean, we could see

1177
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:34,840
that with the situation that just happened in Minnesota with

1178
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,440
the girl being shot by ice. People instantly started fighting.

1179
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:42,000
Nobody even came together to be sad about it. The

1180
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:46,519
fighting started instantly, and of course social media just fuels

1181
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:51,119
that fire. This massacre was a blueprint to continue the

1182
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:55,360
ripping of that fabric. That's why they made it so repeatable.

1183
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,440
You have two alienated young males who were outcasts and

1184
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:03,039
bullied that committed this heinous act, but it easily could

1185
01:08:03,079 --> 01:08:07,000
just be one alienated young male. This happened at a school,

1186
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:10,679
which is repeatable because eighty four percent of US children

1187
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:14,000
go to public school, although since then shootings have also

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,560
occurred at private schools as well, so that increases your percentage.

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But it also has a huge shock factor because it's

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a school and it's kids that are targeted. It's innocent,

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01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,079
and it feels like you're taking away their innocence, and

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01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,279
it makes people pay attention. People are quicker to call

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01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,760
for change and vote change in in the wake of

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01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,000
an event like this, It also gives kids the media

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01:08:36,039 --> 01:08:39,560
sensation notoriety. They may be looking for some way to

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01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:44,119
make a statement. Since this massacre, it seems like every

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01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:48,520
shooting refers to Columbine, like they want to inspire copycats,

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01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,680
like they're trying to push the copycat narrative. But why

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,079
did Columbine get the notoriety when there has been so

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01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:00,439
many school or mass shootings prior to this. Because of

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01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,720
the timing, it was the beginning of the Internet era

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01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:07,119
and cable news had expanded to twenty four to seven coverage.

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01:09:07,239 --> 01:09:10,279
It created a fear around Internet and what kids could

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01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:13,199
be learning on it, and also gave access to everyone

1205
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:16,720
wanting to learn more about the shooting, which created more fear.

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,039
It was the first mass casualty event fully processed by

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01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:26,560
modern media psychology. This massacre changed so much. The response

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01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,159
was studied, the narrative was highly controlled, and the emotional

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01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:34,039
impact was fully leveraged. It conditioned the public to not

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01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:37,520
only except, but allow armed police and schools, have zero

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01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,159
tolerance policies, established lockdowns and drills, and have a permanent

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01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,560
anxiety of school. All of those things cause a permanent

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01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,800
anxiety of school Because of Columbine, we now have active

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01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:54,319
shooter response protocols, which unfortunately is necessary. Before officers had

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01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:57,239
to wait for SWAT teams, but now they receive active

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01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,640
shooter training themselves, which in turn means quick the responses

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01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,600
during shootings, which reduces casualties. Now schools also practice lockdown

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,840
and emergency drills. There are action plans in place, although

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,079
some schools take it way too far and do active

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01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:16,760
shooter simulations where they actually have actors come in and

1221
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,279
play shooters, using fake guns and using like fake blood

1222
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:23,640
but like a real noise, which has been proven to

1223
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,079
cause just as much trauma as a real active shooter situation,

1224
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:32,760
so it's highly discouraged. There's also building security and access control,

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,560
which is stricter now. Most schools have one or two

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01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,640
entrances that are monitored at all times and all the

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01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,279
others are locked. They also have visitors signed and ID checks,

1228
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:48,319
and most schools have cameras, electronic locks, and surveillance systems,

1229
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,079
and in some cases this includes metal detectors. Not all

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01:10:52,119 --> 01:10:56,479
schools have metal detectors. Most schools have school resource officers

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,279
in their school that are dedicated to their school. This

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01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,239
is loved by some and hated by others. The people

1233
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:06,279
that love it feel like it will deter violence, and

1234
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:10,079
in my experience, once the shooter saw the rso he

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01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:13,319
actually quit his rampage and went into the library and

1236
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:18,119
in his life, which saved Lord knows how many students

1237
01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:20,960
that day. But other people don't like the idea of

1238
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,439
an armed guard at school at all times. They think

1239
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,199
it will encourage violence and contribute to the school to

1240
01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:31,600
prison pipeline because of disproportionate enforcement against minority students. There

1241
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,840
are similar concerns about teachers carrying guns. Some people love

1242
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,199
it because they think that teachers should be allowed and

1243
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:40,479
encouraged to protect themselves and their students, while other people

1244
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,079
think it's insane to expect teachers to carry guns because

1245
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,000
if they don't know how to use them, they are

1246
01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:47,880
more of a danger, which I do agree with. But

1247
01:11:48,079 --> 01:11:52,039
there are amazing organizations like Bullets both Ways who offer

1248
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:55,880
scholarships for school and worship center staff who are willing

1249
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,039
to be the first layer of defense. So if a

1250
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:00,399
teacher doesn't know how to handle a fire arm but

1251
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,840
wants to protect themselves and their students, they don't actually

1252
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,600
have to pay for the training out of pocket. This episode,

1253
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,239
of course, is not sponsored by them, and I think

1254
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:12,439
that they're only supporting Colorado at this time. But I'm

1255
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,680
sure there are other organizations other places that do something similar,

1256
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:18,520
and I know in Colorado because this is where I

1257
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:22,159
learned about this organization. There are twenty three school districts

1258
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:26,439
that allow teachers to carry, so this could be good again.

1259
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,319
Some people love it, some people hate it. But all

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01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:33,680
these things add to the fear that we have surrounding

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01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,960
sending our kids to school. But they also desensitize us

1262
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,720
more and more each time something like this happens. And

1263
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:43,880
under these conditions, with the people so far divided, it

1264
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,279
becomes harder for us to fight back because we are

1265
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:50,119
so busy fighting each other over the division that they

1266
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:53,319
created that we don't even see the real enemy, which

1267
01:12:53,359 --> 01:12:55,800
is the people creating the division in the first place.

1268
01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,640
Would school shootings be so prevalent if it wasn't broadcasts

1269
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:05,199
all over the media. Maybe that's why they broadcast it.

1270
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,199
They want more school shootings, They want more cobbycats so

1271
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,760
they can continue to crack down on public places and

1272
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:17,000
assert more control, assert more fear. If people are already

1273
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:19,279
used to the military like presence at their school, they

1274
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:22,079
will eventually accept it at their job. This leads to

1275
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:25,520
more reliance on the government for protection, and eventually we

1276
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,199
won't know how to protect ourselves at all, which means

1277
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:30,359
we won't know how to fight back if we need to.

1278
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:34,119
It seems like a stretch talking about it right now,

1279
01:13:34,279 --> 01:13:36,680
but it could lead to a slippery slope, and it

1280
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,840
could lead there really fast. Now, don't get me wrong,

1281
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,880
I was very happy about those interventions when my sister's

1282
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:48,119
lives were at risk. But if Columbine wasn't publicized, if

1283
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:51,960
Sandy Hook wasn't publicized, which was the anniversary the shooter

1284
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,920
at my school was trying to use, would this be

1285
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,359
a problem we have. I understand that people want to

1286
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,720
know if event like this happens, and blood and death cells,

1287
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,000
but at what cost are we selling our children to

1288
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:10,560
the next school shooter. It's easy to say that Eric

1289
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,600
Harris and Dylan Cleebold committed this act by themselves. That

1290
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,159
narrative is pointed to and creates this clean picture with

1291
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:21,239
a nice little bow on top. However, there is too

1292
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:25,199
much evidence to the contrary. So what do you believe?

1293
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:29,560
Even if it's not a conspiracy, It's important to see

1294
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,239
the warning signs and report it. So many times people

1295
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:36,760
brought up something weird that either Eric or Dylan had done,

1296
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,079
yet nothing was done to stop them. They had written

1297
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:44,359
papers for school that were clear warning signs. Eric had

1298
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:47,680
written a paper about school shooting and a poem from

1299
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,000
the perspective of a bullet, while Dylan had written a

1300
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,600
short story about a man killing students. It worried his

1301
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,920
teachers so much they actually called his parents. Of course,

1302
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,920
we have the search warrant of Eric's house a year

1303
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,600
prior to the shooting that was never executed, and on

1304
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,439
at least one occasion, Eric's father actually found a pipe

1305
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,119
bomb in his room, and instead of him getting in trouble,

1306
01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:10,159
his dad just like took him up into the mountains.

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01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:14,199
They detonated it together. People are scared to send their

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01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:17,520
kids to school, but most people don't have any other options.

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,720
So were they acting of their own accord or was

1310
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,840
this a bigger plan in play. I'd love to hear

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01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,960
your thoughts, but until next week, my friends, stay skeptical

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