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<v Speaker 1>Hello, right, welcome to what you're talking about. Willis with

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus Willis, who's atp seventy four, and me his mate Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just recording a little preamble to today's podcast to set

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. First of all, Marcus is playing at the

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<v Speaker 1>French Open, but there's been some major moving stories and

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<v Speaker 1>changes that you honestly just wouldn't believe until you've heard

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<v Speaker 1>today's pod. Secondly, Marcus was today just out of practice.

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<v Speaker 1>He was hiding in a cupboard at Roland Garross. He

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<v Speaker 1>was sorting out new accommodation and despite awful WiFi, jumped

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<v Speaker 1>on for a podcast. So the sound quality isn't the best.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, at times it's actually our back up sound

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<v Speaker 1>quality that we've heavily edited so he gets on air.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason he's done this and we did this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is because this is exactly what we're about, a peak

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<v Speaker 1>behind the curtain, a lifting on the lid of pro

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<v Speaker 1>doubles life. For let's face it, one of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>best players. So excuse the recording quality. It's not the best,

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<v Speaker 1>but the story is and we'd rather have you in

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<v Speaker 1>it than out of it. This is the word you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Willis Podcast. Welcome to the What You're Talking

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<v Speaker 1>About Willis Podcast. He's Marcus Willis and he's just about

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<v Speaker 1>to play his first ever Roman Garas French Open. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>his mate, Dave. Now, if you're new to this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>the way it works is we talk about the real

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<v Speaker 1>life of tennis players, and luckily Marcus is completely open

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<v Speaker 1>and completely frank about what tennis is like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not on the private kind of jet scene. We were

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<v Speaker 1>just having a little chat and I said, stop, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to find out what's happening. If you haven't heard

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<v Speaker 1>about the preamble of getting into the first ever French

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<v Speaker 1>Open for a player in their mid thirties, go back

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to the previous couple of episodes. But a

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<v Speaker 1>lot has changed since our preview in Paris on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're on day four of the French Open. Marcus

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<v Speaker 1>still hasn't played. You're due to play tomorrow. Marcus, how

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<v Speaker 1>are you? First of all, I mean that genuinely, not

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<v Speaker 1>in like a shallow You're right, mate. How are you

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<v Speaker 1>feeling good?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, yeah, just just been getting on with you know,

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<v Speaker 3>playing and training and what have you. We were told

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<v Speaker 3>Monday night we're probably going to play Tuesday, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, didn't went on the schedule and then our

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<v Speaker 3>oponents pulled out yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so and notify the on the drawer.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you find out your opponents pull out?

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it as I was checking the drawer out.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw our names had alternate next to us, but

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<v Speaker 3>no one told me.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't informed by.

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<v Speaker 3>Bloody and that was yesterday, so so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so why your opponents pulled out? And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, you didn't preempt it, but you had an

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<v Speaker 1>idea that after losing in the first round of singles,

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<v Speaker 1>they might pop home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it very Karabelly just lost today to rub It's

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<v Speaker 3>a very lost on Sunday. But yeah, they didn't pull

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<v Speaker 3>out until yesterday. So what was yesterday? Tuesday? So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was really surprised you didn't schedule last for Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 3>considering Carabelly wasn't playing singles to today.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so I wasn't told.

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<v Speaker 3>I just saw on the drawer that we had a

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<v Speaker 3>walk over, and you know, yesterday we were told you'll

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<v Speaker 3>probably play Thursday because Carabelle's playing singles today as in now,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I thought maybe they'll put us on for tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>Then if we playing an alcident pair but we weren't

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<v Speaker 3>on the schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, ask then is that how it works.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's an ACP office, but they don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>schedule is still for tomorrow. So the single schedule was

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<v Speaker 3>done three hours ago and they said come back at.

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<v Speaker 2>Four, and then Adam went up four and they said come.

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<v Speaker 3>Back at five.

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<v Speaker 2>So we just got out of there because at Windwood

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<v Speaker 2>and they do the same thing. They go come back

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<v Speaker 2>to us in an hour and it's eight.

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<v Speaker 3>So we've practiced already. We are actually checking out the

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<v Speaker 3>AIRBMB we're in because it's you know, books, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>moving hotels tomorrow because yeah, I thought, you know, most

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<v Speaker 3>people are playing Tuesday Wednesday. I thought I'll book it

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<v Speaker 3>until Thursday and then extend if we get through.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there we go. So it's just been a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a mess really. But yeah, for the first time.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know in my my career or my you know,

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<v Speaker 3>since I've been watching as a kid. There's a walk

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<v Speaker 3>over and the first round because there's no.

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<v Speaker 2>More pairs a ram.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's let's speak to me as if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just some bald idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>H if they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh have you been doing that all along? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, So so we were speaking the other day,

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<v Speaker 3>right and talking about matchup, and then I said we

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<v Speaker 3>could be speaking of five minutes and.

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<v Speaker 1>So what what happens? Though? Have you've been an alternate

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<v Speaker 1>as well at this Grand Slam?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So I haven't, but not not ten.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, So what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>There's been There's been nine who pulled out yesterday, majority

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<v Speaker 3>singles players, one double Sky because he did attend in

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<v Speaker 3>his risks. So there were nine in one day players

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<v Speaker 3>I mean singlesmiths, and they're putting.

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<v Speaker 1>Out because their singles is going well, or because their

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<v Speaker 1>singles has already finished and there's an opportunity for a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And it's hot. Yeah, and it's hot.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's hot and or it rains for a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>there's more alternates. Yeah, it happened. Happened a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years ago when it rained a lot ten pairs. I

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<v Speaker 3>was ten out last year and I went for a day.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I think there were six or seven

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<v Speaker 3>that got in in the end. That's kind of normal,

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<v Speaker 3>or as high as it gets normally. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>so we were told you're going to play, Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna play alternates. There's only two pairs. It was either

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<v Speaker 3>Yazuki and chan Da crossar Josh Paris and Hildebrand. Hildebrand

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<v Speaker 3>landed today because he found out there alternates, so I

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<v Speaker 3>had to jump on a flight from America last night

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<v Speaker 3>or walk over because there's only two person there's three gaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Now two pairs sign this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>There was only supposed to be one match today and

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<v Speaker 3>I think they did it out of a hat. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not sure, but the pair that was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>playing today got to walk over. We're playing Yazuki in

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<v Speaker 3>tender crossan two lefties, and Josh Paris is playing Aravello

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<v Speaker 3>and Pavich, which is interesting. I'll tell you off record

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening there because I can't really say now, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's absolutely bombed. Because so so, yeah, we got

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<v Speaker 3>a tough to all. Like I mean, Yazuki made final

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<v Speaker 3>Tokyo five hundred last year with the partner.

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<v Speaker 2>Send that Crassa is a crafty player. They've won a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of matches together this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, not a nice draw again really, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you can say it's better or worse

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<v Speaker 3>than our original. I'd say it's worse in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>a doubles matchup. But we'll find out tomorrow again, won't we.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean everything we've been training has kind

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<v Speaker 3>of gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Out the window.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So I mean, like we've said, Yakub doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>any of this, what a way to live?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No, he wanted to know because he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>know today. So I told him.

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<v Speaker 3>He he played a guy earlier this year in March,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had looked last night and I told him

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<v Speaker 3>and he basically said, yoh yeah, I played him in

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<v Speaker 3>a different location And I said, yeah, yeah, you won

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<v Speaker 3>four and did I.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So he's he's we've spoken about this, not not

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<v Speaker 1>yeah superstitions or whatever. So look, I mean you've been training. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's talk positives. You've been training at the facility

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<v Speaker 1>on clay with Yakub for a good few days. You

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had to scatter across Europe to get into this

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<v Speaker 1>as an alternate and stuff like that. Right, So, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>your preparation you could say, has been pretty good from

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<v Speaker 1>a tennis point of view.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine, yeah, as as as I prepared to be prepared

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<v Speaker 3>on yours in the tournament. But you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the ultates were playing arrived at the same time or

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<v Speaker 3>even to day earlier because from obviously overseas, so they've

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<v Speaker 3>also had good preparation and a lot of practice points

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but we're as prepared as we can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how much does this unsettle you you because you

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<v Speaker 1>come across so laid back in this podcast. You're so

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<v Speaker 1>relaxed when you say, yeah, next week I might play

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<v Speaker 1>South of Frances. They might be saying in Austria. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you seem to taste so much in your

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<v Speaker 1>stride has this week? Is this worst case scenario for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that me wanting to be sensation?

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<v Speaker 3>What it is like, it's it's it's it's a name.

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<v Speaker 3>But remember I've been alternate before. I was an alternate

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<v Speaker 3>at the US Open and we've played Thompson Ebden first

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<v Speaker 3>round of there, prepared for a different.

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<v Speaker 2>Match, and then we went on and beat them. So

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, we've got to take it as it comes.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't beat I can't be annoys.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not ideal, but it's it is what it is, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there was a one and three chance we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to get Wakata's one and three chances we'd get

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<v Speaker 3>a guy that landed today from a long full flight,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's one and three chance we get you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the left is and we got that, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you tell us before it till we're playing.

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<v Speaker 3>Then we go, okay, that's fine. You know they're a

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<v Speaker 3>good team, but it's a winnable map.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you find plain alternates and from just from your experience, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we could dig into stats on this to find official numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you find they play with the freedom and nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to lose kind of freedom?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because they're not the all and they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're loose and I've been one and we played Me

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<v Speaker 3>and Carol will never play together, Epston and Thompson and

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<v Speaker 3>Thomson one at the other four there's there's really nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>You're happy to be in there, so you go and

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<v Speaker 2>play three yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, rather than you could play two singles guys at

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<v Speaker 3>the tired and you know they go to break down

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<v Speaker 3>and don't really scrap the much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah half of mind on whatever. On the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>You could also play two singles guys that are going

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<v Speaker 3>after everything and you know, really on it.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's it's I don't know, it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>different match. But I was already kind of ready to.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked at the alternates list when the drawer came out,

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<v Speaker 3>and so, okay, can play. So I'm not surprised, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, I've got to go back to basics.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm playing my fourth thumb in a row. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a lot to lose. Rely go out

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<v Speaker 3>there and try and play well. Really really is in

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<v Speaker 3>one sensus in achievement. But I do want to win.

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<v Speaker 3>But I can't start thinking too much about what's happened.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, the schedules not out, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>There's so much and it's so I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>say poorly organized, but yeah, it's so random. Some of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff, like no one knew the rule on the

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<v Speaker 3>alternate People were saying, well, you know, in theory you

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<v Speaker 3>could sign in tomorrow if you didn't want to play today,

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<v Speaker 3>and the ultimate places the only match today, but they

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<v Speaker 3>kind of scrapped that and said.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll start giving a walk over.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just been a bit, but no one knows where

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say poorly organized, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so random some of the stuff, like no

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<v Speaker 3>one knew the rule on the alternate people were saying, well,

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<v Speaker 3>the only match today, but they kind of scrapped that

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<v Speaker 3>and said, I start giving a walker over.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just being a bit, but no one knows where

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think there needs to be a rule change

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<v Speaker 1>about these single singles players taking doubles places because you

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<v Speaker 1>are playing to bona fide doubles players. Now, who really

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<v Speaker 1>if it wasn't for the singles players should be there

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<v Speaker 1>by on merit that this singles thing into doubles is

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<v Speaker 1>taking doubles players jobs, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the fact that they can just enter

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<v Speaker 2>on their singles drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Without Do you know what I think is the enlightening

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<v Speaker 1>part of this podcast? Now repeat myself. I know, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing this to Novak, They're doing this to Yannick

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<v Speaker 1>or Eager and so on, And I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that the tennis tour is so and this is

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<v Speaker 1>for me to say, not for you to say or

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<v Speaker 1>agree with. The tennis Tour is not even two tier,

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<v Speaker 1>it's multi tiered. That they treat people differently based on

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<v Speaker 1>their fame there, whatever, And there's no way those guys

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<v Speaker 1>are finding out via refreshing the BBC Sport app or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever where the order of players. There's no way that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't just going to get a walkover. If Novak

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's just it's refreshing to hear this

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<v Speaker 1>shiny office side in the in the media. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>great that we can do this. And I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to you tomorrow once you've got the w.

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