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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a light Man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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<v Speaker 1>and wing big down in the forest. Man, it gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>you nobody seen, nobody else.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need to know. Man, like you followed another

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<v Speaker 1>story and you got back and that I was still win.

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<v Speaker 1>Man go black to dag on the Panama. Man, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't matter, man, I know anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Buck Johnson, welcome back to the Jay Burdon Show.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, sir, good. Uh, I'm glad to be back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good to be back. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Man, It's it's always one of those things where

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<v Speaker 2>time on the Internet moves so quickly that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I go back. I'm like, I should talk to x

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<v Speaker 2>y Z again, and my guy hasn't been that long.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it, it's been almost a year since

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<v Speaker 2>you and I spoke. So really glad to have you

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<v Speaker 2>back on. It's actually funny. I just recorded earlier today

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<v Speaker 2>with Top Lobster and the Nephelin Death Squad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Those guys, Yeah, they're fun.

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<v Speaker 2>That they are fun. That is a show I've I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard anything like it. I love it, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is a it is a very unique mix. What point

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<v Speaker 2>is those guys had good things to say about you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's both sounds so surprised. Fuck but uh, in all seriousness,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, sorry, go ahead, in all seriousness. Uh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>primarily interested in talking with you about about spiritual warfare

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of the changing face of Christianity in America

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<v Speaker 2>because they're kind of two things that happened over the

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<v Speaker 2>last couple of weeks, and I think we're more significant

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<v Speaker 2>than initially appeared. The first is this sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>chensy Ai generated image of you know, Trump as Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of maybe he said he was trying to look

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<v Speaker 2>like a doctor, but it looks like, you know, Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>healing the sick, where he's you know, reaching down on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a sick man. There's sort of a bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>supernatural figures in the clouds behind him, you know, golden light,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. And then somewhat later, a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>an IDF soldier in Lebanon the sledgehammer smashing the head

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<v Speaker 2>of a desecrated statue of Jesus on the cross right,

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously both of these were sort of strikes against

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<v Speaker 2>the American Christian community and they reacted very very negatively,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump in the Iran War, which is very much

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<v Speaker 2>tied to him and his image, have been coming less

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<v Speaker 2>and popular. And I thought it was interesting because in

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<v Speaker 2>the American evangelical world, Trump is very very popular and

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<v Speaker 2>remains more popular than most other presidents. But these two

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<v Speaker 2>instances back to back produced to see change. There were

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who were very very unhappy with

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<v Speaker 2>them and cited those as their exit moment, like I'm done,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't go past things. And you could look at

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<v Speaker 2>that cynically and say, those are people looking for an

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<v Speaker 2>excuse that may or may not have been true. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's interesting that this comes after, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>feuding with the Pope. Neither you were, I as Catholic,

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<v Speaker 2>but still the kind of antipathy building between you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the president and the Christian community, and so buck all

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<v Speaker 2>of that preamble aside. I'm kind of curious to get

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<v Speaker 2>your perspective on this because this has been a live issue,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with the nomination of you know, Paula White as

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<v Speaker 2>the She's the White House Faith something I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>What her as is basically his spiritual guide if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And for those who aren't aware she is one,

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<v Speaker 2>she twos this kind of, you know, egregious example of

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<v Speaker 2>an extremely charismatic televangelist, you know, flopping and rolling and

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<v Speaker 2>taking lots of money from her. I was gonna say parishioners,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's definitely not the right word whatever whatever institution

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<v Speaker 2>she runs. But you know what I'm saying. And so

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<v Speaker 2>with all of that out of the way, Buck, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really curious, like, what are you seeing in this? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that there's some kind of breakdown between America's

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<v Speaker 2>religious community as broad as that could be defined as

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<v Speaker 2>and then Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. So I can only go by sort

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<v Speaker 1>of circles that I run in and then sort of

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<v Speaker 1>content concentrically from there. I can include my parents, their

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore evangelicals, and they still love him. I've not discussed

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<v Speaker 1>what their thoughts would be on the images that he

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<v Speaker 1>put out, nor we we haven't discussed yet on Easter,

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<v Speaker 1>American Easter Sunday, the message that he put out with

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<v Speaker 1>the F bombs and praise to Allah, how He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy rand that was that was the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>American Easter. Not coincidentally, I would say. The image of

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<v Speaker 1>him that he put out the following week was of

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<v Speaker 1>course Orthodox Easter, so he managed to hit both Easters

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<v Speaker 1>with something basically taboo. I would say anti Christian to

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<v Speaker 1>say the least. And so it seems to me the Boomers,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know many of them, so the

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<v Speaker 1>ones I do know still seem to like him. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love to enter a conversation with them and what their

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<v Speaker 1>exact thoughts on what happened there where. My mom said

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<v Speaker 1>via text, Honey, I think at least he's a intellectual Christian,

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<v Speaker 1>which was one of the most Protestant phrases I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard in my life. Thought, what is that? Isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>what you are? But anyway, and then of course the

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<v Speaker 1>younger people your age up to my age and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit older, i'd say zoomers through gen X, who

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<v Speaker 1>are on the right politically and have some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>Christian foundation, we seem to be the ones that were

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<v Speaker 1>more like, Okay, this is enough. And the war, the

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<v Speaker 1>backdrop of the war certainly makes that easier for us

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<v Speaker 1>to see. And the control that I feel that he

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<v Speaker 1>that Net and Yahoo has over him, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>he's scared of Net and Yahoo, and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of tips the things in the in a

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<v Speaker 1>direction that people like us don't like. And it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that he would have Paula White as his spiritual advisor,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will. I don't think he particularly cares about

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity at all. And he's a showman. What does he

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<v Speaker 1>do for his spiritual advisor? Hires a show woman? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's basically what she is, flopping on stage and being

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<v Speaker 1>over the top loud, and it, you know, seems fake obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and so tied up in all of this. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>an actual Christian watching this all happen, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts to turn you off. And except for the

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<v Speaker 1>people I know, there's some that are, well, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really know what he's doing. It's X Y Z

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<v Speaker 1>over here something something city of London or some insurance

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<v Speaker 1>thing that he's trying to figure out. But those people

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<v Speaker 1>never address the actual control by Israel and the war

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<v Speaker 1>and then his slight against Christ and I've not seen

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<v Speaker 1>that from that camp yet. And so yeah, we're left

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<v Speaker 1>with this now infamous civil war on the riot. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course it's funny when like the mainstream right calls

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<v Speaker 1>people like Tucker Carlson woke, right or something like this. Odd.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're inverting they're inverting reality there because there's

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<v Speaker 1>one being woke. We all see that. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a funny hodgepodge of all these things happening, and all

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<v Speaker 1>within a year. Like when he was elected, I was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty all in. I was excited. I thought sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the people that he was bringing in with him, the

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<v Speaker 1>people that supported him, Tucker Carlson, Telsea Gabbert, RFK, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of an interesting mix of people, and I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually going to be something positive. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen this in my life. Well, first of all, no

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<v Speaker 1>one I've ever voted for one before, so that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a unique experience for me. And then this happens,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I guess why did I get my

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<v Speaker 1>hopes up like this? When this was, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat predictable, or at least if you were skeptical of

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<v Speaker 1>Trump movement, you could think, well, this, it could go

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<v Speaker 1>this direction. I'm worried about that, and here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's odd.

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<v Speaker 2>In a way. I almost think that the initial support

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<v Speaker 2>of Donald Trump by the religious community was technically a

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<v Speaker 2>positive development because for a long time, religious people in

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<v Speaker 2>America kind of got the short end of the stick,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was always, well, you know, he goes to

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<v Speaker 2>church just like you, so you should vote for him.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't actually get anything out of it, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden's technically a Catholic, despite the fact that he is,

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<v Speaker 2>by his own admission, a member of the Masons, which

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<v Speaker 2>again I'm not Catholic, but I've been reliably informed that's

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<v Speaker 2>a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>As it would be as same an orthodoxy. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot be baptized if you if you're still claimed

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<v Speaker 1>to be a Mason, you have to denounce that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the reason I bring that up, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>is not that I actually particularly care about Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was kind of a typical model. Right. Were

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<v Speaker 2>promised you were going to get family values, you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to get what you care about, and what that

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<v Speaker 2>largely meant is you got nothing, right, you got absolutely nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so with Trump you had a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>think pieces from truly my least favorite people in America,

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<v Speaker 2>which are the kind of liberal, kind of Christian intelligensia.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the David French is the kind of Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>today subset. We're saying things like, how don't these people

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<v Speaker 2>know that Donald Trump has committed adultery, that he said

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<v Speaker 2>something about when you're rich women, let you build the

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<v Speaker 2>phrase out, and and I actually think that that support

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<v Speaker 2>was rational, right, basically saying like, look, none of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys in politics actually have any alignment with my values whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that's off the table, I might as well

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<v Speaker 2>get something. And to be fair, but Christian America did

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<v Speaker 2>get some wins. We got ro versus Wight overturned, which right,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough, it's much better that I think either you

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<v Speaker 2>or I ever would have expected. So I get that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that almost nobody except for the most

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<v Speaker 2>kind of diehard Trump fans, ever thought he was particularly devout. Right, Like, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>he said he was a Presbyterian. Now I think he

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<v Speaker 2>says he's non denominational. But like, come on, guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be rude to a man I've

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<v Speaker 2>never met, but he doesn't strike me as someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>particularly devout. And so you could look at that, and

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<v Speaker 2>many did and say, oh, that's hypocrisy. I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's sort of rational self interest. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was always predicated on well getting something out of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>getting something for your support, where it's like, okay, we've

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<v Speaker 2>given up the kind of you know, professed piety, we've

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<v Speaker 2>given up the picture of the wife and kids in

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<v Speaker 2>front of a beautiful church. But at least we got something.

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<v Speaker 2>But once that went away, once you're not really getting

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<v Speaker 2>anything for it, it's sort of like, well, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>point of this exercise? And I think that the And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you brought up the timing, because had actually forgotten.

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<v Speaker 2>Both of those happened on Easter in a vacuum. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think those would be particularly notable. I would

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<v Speaker 2>object to them, You would object to them, but in

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<v Speaker 2>the grand scheme of things, those are relatively minor events.

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<v Speaker 2>But forming this sort of pattern where it feels as if,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, the ostensible majority faith in America is

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<v Speaker 2>consistently being demeaned and disrespected by again, ostensibly the party

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<v Speaker 2>of Christianity, the one supported by the most religious you know, Catholics,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, smashing this this picture of Christ was incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>evocative because growing up in rural America. I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>Everything was sort of sold to you in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>up churches, and look, I don't like Muslims. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>for Christians. And then you see this image of an

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, wait a minute, I thought you guys

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<v Speaker 2>were fighting Muslims. I thought that was the problem. And okay,

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, more honesty than I expect, but okay, credit

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<v Speaker 2>where credits due. But then you see this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying like, oh, we've repaired it, We've replaced it.

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<v Speaker 2>most minor amount of digging into this, you're like, wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, this is a picture of a cross, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not where the old one was. This is just

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<v Speaker 2>in someone's backyard. And then somewhat later, Italian peacekeepers actually

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<v Speaker 2>something you took seriously, cared about this, that the guy

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<v Speaker 2>was being punished, and that you had replaced it. When

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out that that's not true. What you were

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<v Speaker 2>really concerned about was the media backlash, that this was

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<v Speaker 2>not apparently a real problem for you, It was only

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<v Speaker 2>a pr problem You couldn't You're like, well, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>you were our greatest ally. I thought that we were

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<v Speaker 2>co belligerents. And when I say that, Buck, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>literally mean me right, But you know that was the

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<v Speaker 2>sort of common understanding of it. And so when it

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<v Speaker 2>slights and insults and all of this political capital, all

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<v Speaker 2>of this actual capital, is being used to fund this war.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently, even during a ceasefire when apparently we had

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<v Speaker 2>this deal where weren't going to fight anymore, Christians are

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<v Speaker 2>still being oppressed in Lebanon. It's like we look man like,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were our guy. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening here. And so I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>disillusion is much much more than simply you know, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>said the F word, or Trump doesn't go to church, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of this wider disillusionment. But anyway, Buck, I've

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, those are all great points. See, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the disillusionment with I think I heard from from evangelicals

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<v Speaker 1>that love Trump or still do that. Yeah. Maybe he's

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<v Speaker 1>not a hardcore church goer if you will, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>protecting Christians. He's he has our best interests at heart,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has said that. He's also said, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>on a famous interview from the plane, that he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to Hell, and which I thought was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's rare to hear a president say.

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<v Speaker 2>That expressed minorly differently. That would be a fundamental statement

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<v Speaker 2>of piety, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, yeah, it could be. Yeah, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>taken as a very humble, not a bragging sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was saying it so flippantly, like he probably

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<v Speaker 1>does believe that, And then it just starts to get

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<v Speaker 1>as you sort of alluded to, harder and harder to

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<v Speaker 1>take and to swallow. It's almost like his comment early

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<v Speaker 1>on in his political career if he could stand on

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<v Speaker 1>some cross streets in New York City and shoot so

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<v Speaker 1>on and his supporters would still support him. That's probably

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<v Speaker 1>true to some extent. But these things, when you're touching

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<v Speaker 1>on issues of faith, it's the most important thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the entire existence that we have is our faith in Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're sort of insulting that if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>and doing it sort of out and like he does everything,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not hiding it, and so yeah, you just start

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<v Speaker 1>to wander. I do start to go. Okay, it goes

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<v Speaker 1>from Okay, don't like this. I think he's lying about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I feel a little bit duped on this too. Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't support this. This has been a line. And

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<v Speaker 1>I actually did a message of repentance on my episode

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<v Speaker 1>with there at the beginning, because if you endorse someone,

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<v Speaker 1>even implicitly on a public platform, which I did, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was never like, hey, guys, vote for Trump, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was obvious what I preferred, and I did political

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<v Speaker 1>episodes and I at least implicitly softly endorsed him. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now he's doing all these things, and I can't have

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<v Speaker 1>someone going well, I thought you were Orthodox, and look

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<v Speaker 1>who you support it. And that's not really the reason

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<v Speaker 1>I did it. I did it because I wanted repentance

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<v Speaker 1>in my own heart, because I started thinking, well, you

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<v Speaker 1>are Orthodox, and look what he's doing. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>your reputation or your belief system or you sort of

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<v Speaker 1>tie to these actions? And the answer is no, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that, and so I did put a message

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<v Speaker 1>of repentance out on that episode. And I've heard some

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<v Speaker 1>people too, knocking people like Tucker or or those like

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<v Speaker 1>myself that well, oh, now you're saying you don't like him,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, right, yeah, because I've seen things that

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<v Speaker 1>he's done and I'm changing my mind based on current actions.

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<v Speaker 1>I applaud Tucker, you would have never seen you never

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<v Speaker 1>have seen let's say, during the Bush years. Could you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly came out and said,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I can't do this anymore Bush has over

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<v Speaker 1>stepped over, Or during the Obama years, if let's say

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<v Speaker 1>Morning Joe or Rachel Maddow, all right, Obama's bombing all

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<v Speaker 1>these countries. This is not hope and change. I'm out.

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<v Speaker 1>No one does that. And so it's interesting now that

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<v Speaker 1>people with principles are doing it. With Donald Trump, you

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<v Speaker 1>get this like, oh, now you don't like him. It's like, yeah, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>now I don't because I've seen what he's doing, what

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<v Speaker 1>he's saying who is controlled by and he's spitting in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of Christianity while doing other things geopolitically that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also against, and having people like Mike Huckabee go

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<v Speaker 1>on The Tucker Carlson Show and basically promote Christian Zionism,

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<v Speaker 1>which is heretical obviously, and so these all line up that.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, yeah, Paula White like we mentioned, and it's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a mess. I don't know what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's in control of who if someone's making there's some

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<v Speaker 1>of these things that Trump does, and certainly members of

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<v Speaker 1>his cabinet, it feels like they're hostage videos. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's always people above the people that you

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<v Speaker 1>think it's. Maybe it's not net and Yahoo, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>something above him. And then at some point it's all spiritual,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're saying in the Spiritual Warfare, it's powers and

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<v Speaker 1>principalities as we know it says in Ephesian six twelve

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<v Speaker 1>and six thirteen. So yeah, that's when people like myself

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<v Speaker 1>and yourself and many of us under sixty start to go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not being fooled by this anymore, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>And it was interesting because one of the other instances

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<v Speaker 2>that happened in the middle of this was sort of

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<v Speaker 2>chimp out with the Pope. I've buck I made a

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<v Speaker 2>grave mistake, which is on a show about the Crusades,

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to briefly and succinctly summarize the great Schism,

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<v Speaker 2>and ool, boy, did I make people real mad solely

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<v Speaker 2>learning from that. I will not to explain what Catholics

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<v Speaker 2>think about the Pope, suffice it to say they think

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<v Speaker 2>some things about him that's I think safe to say.

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<v Speaker 2>But point is, what happened is that the Pope, I

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<v Speaker 2>think about two three weeks ago, puts out this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of statement about war, shouldn't do wars, which, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>you or I might disagree with, but relatively in offensive position.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, might be naive, we might disagree with it,

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<v Speaker 2>but whatever, you know, the Pope has done it before.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, even back in the Inquisition, you know they're

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<v Speaker 2>burning people in the Catholic heart is like, hey, don't

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<v Speaker 2>do that, Okay, maybe they whatever. Point is a long

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<v Speaker 2>tradition of asking for mercy, asking for clemency, whatever. So

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<v Speaker 2>of course Trump goes into a rage, starts fighting with

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<v Speaker 2>the Pope on Twitter or on sorry tooth social which

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a funny thing. And I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to clarify, I'm not I don't have this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>moral revulsion to Trump saying crazy stuff that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people do, Like it doesn't really bother me, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not morally offended by that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>What's interesting to me is sort of what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>the Maga commentariat afterwards, right, the sort of plan Truster types,

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<v Speaker 2>which is immediately we have this sort of reversion back

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<v Speaker 2>like build the Butcher stuff about like, oh, you Catholics,

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<v Speaker 2>you have divided loyalties to Rome, and I'm not Catholic,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no loyalties to Roam in particular. But as

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<v Speaker 2>someone who does take their faith seriously, it's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all do. From that perspective. We may

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<v Speaker 2>well be right wing, we may well be supporters or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in opposition to President Trump and his administration,

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<v Speaker 2>but fundamentally that is a secondary concern too, relationship to God.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sort of how it works. And when that comes

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<v Speaker 2>through the kind of commentariat again, it's like, well, wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, I thought you were x y Z. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was something that you cared about. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand, like we've all gotten caught up in politics.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my job, it's your job to like it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that, and I'm not trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hang anyone individually out to dry. But again it's this

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<v Speaker 2>attitude repeated over and over again that you owe me this,

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<v Speaker 2>you owe me your undying support forever, and fundamentally, like

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<v Speaker 2>politics is a quid pro quo, and I took a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of heat very early for saying something that I

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount of loyalty to Trump four row versus weight.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt as if you know what, this was a

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<v Speaker 2>big give and on the back end, fair enough, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'll there's some loyalty in that, and that's more than

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<v Speaker 2>any nominal Republican has given me basically my entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there was some capital there. There was some

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<v Speaker 2>or a five, fair enough. But at a certain point, right,

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<v Speaker 2>those those debits start piling up there. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>anything about accounting, right, those negative balances start piling up,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like, look, man, like we're not married, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't sign. I didn't sign a document that said

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<v Speaker 2>like till death to his part. This was conditional. And

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<v Speaker 2>which it's like I'm done. And that doesn't mean I

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<v Speaker 2>automatically endorse, you know, Kamala Harris or I automatically endorse

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<v Speaker 2>the Ayatola probably wouldn't like him much anyway. I've been

415
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<v Speaker 2>reliably informed that he's gay, at least according to the

416
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<v Speaker 2>Free Press. And so it's like this this extremely black

417
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<v Speaker 2>or white thinking, which I think is used tactically, Yes,

418
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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't it doesn't work at least on me

419
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<v Speaker 2>and I think on the audience, because it's like, look

420
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<v Speaker 2>like we saw this before, we saw this kind of

421
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<v Speaker 2>like extreme black or white. You know, if you're not

422
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<v Speaker 2>with us, you're against us, literally in the early two thousands,

423
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<v Speaker 2>and then again through kind of the pandemic and through

424
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<v Speaker 2>all of that. And the reason I'm walking away, so

425
00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:45.599
<v Speaker 2>to speak, is not because I've gotten soft. It's not

426
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<v Speaker 2>because I think, wait, actually, we do need race riots

427
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>every four years, we do need trans kids. It's like, no,

428
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<v Speaker 2>I cared about that more than you. In particular, I

429
00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:01.240
<v Speaker 2>cared about that more than anyone politician. And so look

430
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<v Speaker 2>like the idea that you know, it's sort of an

431
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<v Speaker 2>eternally binding contract that there's nothing that can be done

432
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<v Speaker 2>that you know, straine that relationship is just not true.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Clearly it's not true. And I think a lot of

434
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<v Speaker 2>the narrative around that like, oh, it's you know, you traders.

435
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<v Speaker 2>You you are the ones that are responsible for whatever

436
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the current political setback is. I think is really really

437
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<v Speaker 2>insidious because it is insulating the people making decisions for

438
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<v Speaker 2>any consequences. It's not that I made a bad choice

439
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and I was punished for it, people stayed home or

440
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.599
<v Speaker 2>people didn't do it. It's that you didn't love me enough.

441
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<v Speaker 2>That's what you need to do to fix this, not

442
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<v Speaker 2>that I need to earn it. And look, politicians they

443
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<v Speaker 2>do that. I'm not, you know, expecting them to ask differently,

444
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 2>but also like, sorry, Bud, you know, I'm not Charlie Brown.

445
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>The third time you pull the football, maybe I'm not

446
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<v Speaker 2>going to run up on it again.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'll use that. That was brilliant what you said that.

448
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Tactically you can they're going to use this, this to

449
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<v Speaker 1>their advantage. If there's everyone, just as it's Team A

450
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>or Team B, you have to have the balls, the

451
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>guts to say no, I'm out now, and then they

452
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<v Speaker 1>get to change when they realize that's what's happening. It's

453
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>almost like there's been moments where I think is someone

454
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<v Speaker 1>trying to purposefully sink jd Vance's chances at being the

455
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<v Speaker 1>next man up here because they're putting him in a

456
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>really strange situation and a lot of the you know,

457
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.319
<v Speaker 1>then they come out with the podcasters their second third rate,

458
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 1>they're low IQ and all of these things. Well, then

459
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>why do you go on all of these shows leading

460
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 1>up to the election because you knew that's where a

461
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<v Speaker 1>large voting block that would support you where we're at.

462
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<v Speaker 1>And now once they win these excuse me, once they

463
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<v Speaker 1>lose these mid terms, I mean, I can't help but

464
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<v Speaker 1>think that the people like the Laura Lomers and the

465
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Levinz, the Dan Bongino's are gonna come out and

466
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<v Speaker 1>say this was default of Tucker, Alex Jones, Megan Kelly,

467
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 1>Candice Owens. And it's like, well, I thought that those

468
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>people weren't important. Now they're going to be the cause

469
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 1>of what causes this collapse rather than it's really not conservative.

470
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<v Speaker 1>If you're if you're running on a philosophy of personal

471
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<v Speaker 1>responsibility and liberty and religious freedom and these things, well

472
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<v Speaker 1>then you wouldn't look at someone doing bad and go

473
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<v Speaker 1>you've got to support that no matter what, because where's

474
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.079
<v Speaker 1>your personal responsibility at at that point? It doesn't there's

475
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing conservative about I'm backing a person no matter what

476
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>he does to me, no matter how many it's like

477
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 1>the battered wife syndrome, Like, don't arrest him. He's got

478
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<v Speaker 1>he loves me sometimes while she's got black eyes. No,

479
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 1>people don't do that anymore. Enough of them are not

480
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 1>going to do that where I think it's going to

481
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>sink them in the midterms. Doesn't seem like he cares

482
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>about that almost. It's almost like a self destruction, self

483
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 1>imposed destruction coming out. And yeah, Nixon used that, and

484
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>when he was winning the vote in the South, he

485
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 1>knew he was going to get the conservative vote in

486
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.279
<v Speaker 1>the South, so they didn't have to focus on any

487
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>of the concerns that those men and women had because, well,

488
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>we're going to get their vote no matter what. And

489
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I think we're sort of in an era beyond that.

490
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<v Speaker 1>I think obviously the decentralization of media helps that a

491
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<v Speaker 1>lot too, And we don't have just three voices giving

492
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>us the narrative of the day. Now we can go

493
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.519
<v Speaker 1>find it anywhere, and you can find alternatives, of course,

494
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and people are listening to those, and this sort of

495
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.720
<v Speaker 1>old school, antiquated mentality of listening to Mark Levin or

496
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 1>listen and a Sean Hannity and just go with whatever

497
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>they say. That's out that's out the window now. And

498
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>so I think it's a it's a failure on the

499
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 1>end of the administration to sort of realize that. But

500
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<v Speaker 1>I think there's such a hubris and sort of narcissistic

501
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>positions they're taking in the administration that it's like they

502
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<v Speaker 1>can't see it. The ones at the very top. I think.

503
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<v Speaker 1>I do think people like JD. Vans are like, crap,

504
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.559
<v Speaker 1>this isn't going to go well, but what are you

505
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<v Speaker 1>going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>So forgive me, Buck, if you will, a little gloating

507
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<v Speaker 2>because you mentioned the woke right earlier. And I've been

508
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<v Speaker 2>on this beat for a long time, and I wrote

509
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<v Speaker 2>an article about six seven months ago called the GOP

510
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<v Speaker 2>Samson Option, or I basically made the argument that the

511
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<v Speaker 2>the neo cons were making a run for power, that

512
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<v Speaker 2>they had secured a certain amount of access to the

513
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<v Speaker 2>president and that effectively what they we're going to do

514
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>is use setbacks. And this was before the war started,

515
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 2>so we didn't really know what those setbacks were going

516
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>to come from. As an opportunity to go after the

517
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<v Speaker 2>woke right, the woke right, which is just the same

518
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>as you know, the woke left. Of course right, it

519
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.000
<v Speaker 2>says the same word in it. And what's the matter

520
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.519
<v Speaker 2>with the woke right, Well, they're too right right, they

521
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>care too much about abortion, they care too much about

522
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, Christianity, they're they're too mean, they're too racist.

523
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And what their line will be is that those people

524
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.079
<v Speaker 2>have you know, made the right wing toxic. They've they've

525
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.559
<v Speaker 2>driven off people. And so what we need to do

526
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 2>is we need another Mitt Romney. We need to track

527
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.119
<v Speaker 2>back to center. We need to do the things we

528
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 2>used to do and effectively fold MAGA right back into

529
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and six GOP. And I was completely

530
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.319
<v Speaker 2>and totally right this obsession with podcasters right, which is

531
00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>oddly this sort of mirror image of what we saw

532
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.559
<v Speaker 2>during the Biden era, when you know, Joe Rogan was

533
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the big kind of like hate figure. Is what it

534
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 2>really is is that decentralization. It's the people are allowed

535
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>to say things we don't like in a way we

536
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>can't directly control. And so what we need to poison that, well,

537
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 2>we need to say those are the reason that you're losing,

538
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>you're losing, not because we can't fulfill our promises, not

539
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.519
<v Speaker 2>because we're ineffectual, not because we're doing things that are

540
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>just plain stupid ideas, but it's because you want too much,

541
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>you're asking for too much. You need to accept nothing,

542
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>or else you're going to keep losing and also get nothing, which,

543
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.519
<v Speaker 2>when you phrase it like that, isn't the best pitch line,

544
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 2>but it's the one they're going with, and that's been

545
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>in my mind completely and totally vindicated. The Samson option,

546
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of course, is the idea that effectively it's sort of

547
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 2>a mutual suicide packed, right, they will blow themselves up

548
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.680
<v Speaker 2>in effect to keep there from being any chance of

549
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>a non Zionist right in power, which I think has

550
00:32:56.200 --> 00:33:01.640
<v Speaker 2>basically just happened. And the thing that's so just completely

551
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and totally aggravating about this is that all of this

552
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.720
<v Speaker 2>political power has been squandered, wasted, right, this golden opportunity,

553
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>both after the assassination of Kirk the attempted assassination of Trump,

554
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 2>and it's been frittered away into, to be honest, stupid policies,

555
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>right foreign wars the like which we just barely got

556
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 2>out of that didn't get us anything. Sure, they may

557
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>have made a certain pundits, certain you know, you know

558
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:37.319
<v Speaker 2>consultants in Arlington, very wealthy, but fundamentally they didn't work,

559
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>they didn't accomplish anything. And so when you have an

560
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 2>opportunity this movement that was largely birthed in opposition to

561
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>stupid foreign wars, to this kind of insane you know, Zionism,

562
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 2>and to see it folded back in so quickly, I

563
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>sent I think I said this to Scott Horton. I

564
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>basically was like, I'm pretty sure time is a flat circle, right,

565
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.039
<v Speaker 2>that we're right back in two thousand and six all

566
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<v Speaker 2>over again, that nothing has changed, And of course I

567
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>was being glib. A lot has changed, like look at

568
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the as you mentioned, the media landscape, but it is

569
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 2>one of those things where it's like, I'm sorry, I'm

570
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>not gonna let you morally blackmail me for refusing to

571
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:23.159
<v Speaker 2>sign off on that, because look, I'm not morally opposed

572
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to war. Like I didn't really have any problems with

573
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 2>going to get Maduro, even if the reason was stupid.

574
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 2>It's like whatever, it's how, it's how countries do things. Okay,

575
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>sure I don't think he is literally sponsoring narco terrorism,

576
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:41.320
<v Speaker 2>but like whatever. It's how politics is a game of

577
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, red tooth and claw. It's it's not a

578
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.280
<v Speaker 2>pleasant thing. I get that. But when you run as

579
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 2>a nativist, you run saying like this is America first,

580
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.159
<v Speaker 2>it's for you. When you say like, we're going to

581
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 2>take care of these like long running, festering issues, whether

582
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, the transition of children, the you know,

583
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>wave of anti Christian violence we saw after the Dobbs decision,

584
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.199
<v Speaker 2>where I mean my pastor had his tires slashed and

585
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 2>mirrors broken off his car. You're like, okay, Like fair enough,

586
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>let's do that. That's the promise. And I understand, you know,

587
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 2>men are corrupt. Politics doesn't work how it's supposed to.

588
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 2>But to see all of that burned for the sake

589
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 2>of Israel and then have those same people lecture you

590
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>for your lack of loyalty, I guess is to be honest,

591
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of insulting. And on the generational side, this

592
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 2>is something you and I have spoken about a couple times.

593
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>There have been a couple interesting reversals right, which is one,

594
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Trump is now unpopular with white, non college educated voters

595
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 2>for the first time ever, unpopular with men under thirty.

596
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And the other interesting thing is that Israel is extremely

597
00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 2>unpopular with even Republicans under I think was the breakpoint

598
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 2>on that particular one. There was an interesting moment in

599
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.400
<v Speaker 2>an episode called I Believe It's called Can New York

600
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>City Survive Mumdani's Policies? By Ben Shapiro, where he, yeah,

601
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he's a bit of an aggravating fellow, magnificent eyebrows. I'll

602
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.400
<v Speaker 2>give him that, yeah, but the in all seriousness, right,

603
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>he basically says, so coming from him, fifty three percent

604
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 2>of Republicans under fifty are Holocaust deniers. WHOA, Okay, that's strong.

605
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Where he got that number, Who knows, I believe for

606
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>the Manhattan Institute. Take whatever his definition of that term is,

607
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>and also whatever definition the Manhattan Institute is. So I

608
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 2>don't literally think that's true, but it's an interesting directional,

609
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>directional signal. So if we can take disapproval of Israel's

610
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>basically a proxy for disapproval of the US government, because

611
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 2>let's be honest, that's kind of the same thing, right,

612
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<v Speaker 2>Just we see this this growing mass of people who

613
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:15.039
<v Speaker 2>are incredibly disillusioned, incredibly upset with the way things are going,

614
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 2>and apparently there's no way for them to resolve those issues.

615
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 2>They got their guy in, nothing happened. They try to

616
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 2>get a job at Heritage, they get fired for not

617
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<v Speaker 2>going to ship at dinner. The purge that we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>through all of conservative media, whether it's you know, Heritage,

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<v Speaker 2>other institutions, the young Republicans, I don't know where that

620
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<v Speaker 2>energy goes. Like it seems like there's this incredible from

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<v Speaker 2>you know, whether it's decentralized media or just the fact

622
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<v Speaker 2>that it's become harder and harder to kind of cover

623
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<v Speaker 2>these things up. I don't understand where that that anger

624
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>goes towards, Where that unhappiness goes towards. And we've seen

625
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<v Speaker 2>men doing things.

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<v Speaker 1>That are.

627
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<v Speaker 2>Breaking with culture. You know, we've mentioned before in our

628
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<v Speaker 2>conversations that for like basically the first time in four

629
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<v Speaker 2>hundred years, there are more men than women in churches,

630
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<v Speaker 2>predominantly young. I see it at my place of worship.

631
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<v Speaker 2>I've been to an Orthodox church before, I and everyone

632
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<v Speaker 2>I have it's a whole lot of young guys. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand where that energy goes. Do you see

634
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<v Speaker 2>what I'm getting at Buck? It just feels as if

635
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<v Speaker 2>there's some there's this sort of mass of anger and

636
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>disillusion with no acceptable I guess kind of you know,

637
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<v Speaker 2>release valve.

638
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's going to go somewhere, that's the thing.

639
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.719
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't go away. And the irony of some of

640
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<v Speaker 1>this is that, let's use some sort of generic terms now,

641
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:46.079
<v Speaker 1>but there's more people red pilled than there were ten

642
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>years ago, right, certain the irony of some of this

643
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 1>is that that's because partially of Donald Trump. And I

644
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>saw it even with Boomers that I know, all of

645
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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you know, until the last six months, they

646
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<v Speaker 1>were anti neocon. My father got is so heavily on

647
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<v Speaker 1>the Trump train. A couple of years ago, he got

648
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<v Speaker 1>an offer in the mail for what was that main

649
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>neocon magazine. I cannot think of it off the top

650
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 1>of my head, but the biggest one that we all know,

651
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Nation National Review. It was that, and he said he

652
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<v Speaker 1>wrote he instead of just throwing the offer away, he

653
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<v Speaker 1>writes on it, I'm a Trumper America first man, I

654
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>don't want your Neocon trash and mailed it back to them.

655
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.880
<v Speaker 1>And so that's something that never would have happened without

656
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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. And that was a large wave of people

657
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and then, of course the COVID stuff woke a lot

658
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 1>of people up the fact that media has been so decentralized.

659
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>There's guys everyone on my fire crew at work, they're

660
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<v Speaker 1>all thirty two, one girl and three guys. People that

661
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 1>were not political at all now are coming and to

662
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<v Speaker 1>me because they know sort of what I do outside

663
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<v Speaker 1>of work. Hey, did you hear about this conspiracy? And

664
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<v Speaker 1>then the Epstein stuff and then Pizzagate stuff, And then

665
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<v Speaker 1>what do you think Israel is so powerful for? Doesn't

666
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<v Speaker 1>it seem like they control our government? These are people

667
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<v Speaker 1>that had no interest in politics. They're again thirty two

668
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.239
<v Speaker 1>years old, and now all of a sudden, that's that's

669
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<v Speaker 1>a very common Those are very common discussion points at

670
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<v Speaker 1>my fire station, which is just way different. And of

671
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 1>course the vaccine and mask and the COVID years, this

672
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<v Speaker 1>is all like out in the open with people that

673
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<v Speaker 1>are in their thirties now and certainly in the gen

674
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<v Speaker 1>X category that I run with too. And you can't

675
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<v Speaker 1>it's too late. You can't put the toothpaste back in

676
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<v Speaker 1>the tube. And so when they start to default these

677
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<v Speaker 1>the people in charge starts a default to this sort

678
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<v Speaker 1>of antiquated zionistic generically Republican way of governing. Well, it's

679
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.119
<v Speaker 1>too late to do that anymore. And it's just it's

680
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.079
<v Speaker 1>funny that Trump's doing it, and he can't really do

681
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>it with public support because of people like himself woke

682
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:10.400
<v Speaker 1>too many people up. And so you can go anytime

683
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>you see posts on X from Lumer or Shapiro or

684
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>or Ted Cruz, goodness, just go look under there. And

685
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<v Speaker 1>I can. I've made this sort of habit of writing.

686
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't even have to read the comments to know

687
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to do well because Mark Levin go

688
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 1>look under his You know everything they write. They're so

689
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>largely and grossly unpopular, and it's like they're trying to

690
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>seek Donald Trump's administration or something like that, Like there's

691
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:42.840
<v Speaker 1>some other nefarious underlying reason like that. They're all like,

692
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 1>we love you Donald. Don't listen to Alex Jones and

693
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Candice Owens. And it's funny too. There's like moments in time,

694
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<v Speaker 1>I think where people are placed in certain positions because

695
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<v Speaker 1>they're needed. I do think despite what Jordan Peterson's subsequent become,

696
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 1>he was a very important figure to wake a lot

697
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>of young men up to certain things. A lot of

698
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>them woke up to Christianity because of him, and then

699
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 1>he sort of was like an entry point, and now

700
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 1>we've moved beyond him. Donald Trump was the same sort

701
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 1>of figure. He woke a lot of people up, a

702
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of people on the right that were older, said oh,

703
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I can be against these wars that have been destroying

704
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.159
<v Speaker 1>the economy and things in America and certainly over the

705
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.159
<v Speaker 1>countries overseas, and I can sound like I'm tough and

706
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>not like a whiny liberal. And so he was placed

707
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:36.400
<v Speaker 1>in a moment in time he was necessary, certainly to

708
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:40.039
<v Speaker 1>push back against what would have been the devil herself

709
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Speaker 1>in Hillary Clinton winning something. And now it feels like, Okay,

710
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you were important for a moment of time. We've moved

711
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 1>on and now on to next. I don't know what

712
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 1>next is going to be, because that energies you can't

713
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 1>go It doesn't go away. My priest once told me

714
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<v Speaker 1>I was asking him about what we call the passions Orthodoxy.

715
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Catholics might call it the deadly sins or something, when

716
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.679
<v Speaker 1>someone's struggling with something and you counsel them, How do

717
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 1>you like stamp that out? And he said, we don't

718
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<v Speaker 1>stamp it out. We redirect the energy into something else.

719
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 1>The energy is going to be there no matter what.

720
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>It will find an outlet. We don't want the outlet

721
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.800
<v Speaker 1>outlet to be x y, you know, pornography or alcoholism

722
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>or you know, prostitution or something. So we redirect the

723
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 1>energy into something virtuous and within the church. That's sort

724
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<v Speaker 1>of what's going to happen.

725
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Now.

726
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Again, I don't know where this out energy is going

727
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 1>to find its outlet. This anger you're saying, but it's

728
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>not going away, like you said. The polls, I've never

729
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>seen support for a foreign country swing so far in

730
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the other direction. It was like a few years ago

731
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<v Speaker 1>for Israel, it was like plus, it was a lot,

732
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and now it's minus, and then it's in the minus

733
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.639
<v Speaker 1>category just in a few years. If you would have said,

734
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, four years ago, hey, national support for Israel's

735
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 1>going to swing from plus fifty to negative something, I think,

736
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>what happened? What's going to happen in the next few years,

737
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.559
<v Speaker 1>because that's drastic. Yet here we are. It's such a

738
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>wild time to be alive, such a wild timeline. I

739
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 1>also predict whoever wants to win, maybe in the Democratic Party,

740
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 1>but certainly in the Republican Party national offices or big offices.

741
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 1>You're going to have to denounce Israel. You're not going

742
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>to be able to be sort of in the middle

743
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 1>on it, because we don't trust you. If you're in

744
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the middle on it, you're going to have to specifically

745
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>come out explicitly against Israel if you want to win. Otherwise,

746
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you've got a shot.

747
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<v Speaker 2>So our mutual friend Pete Kenyona is Darryl Cooper and

748
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 2>one other guy whose name I can't remember, I'm sorry,

749
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>did a really interesting episode a while back on American

750
00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 2>physicist and philosopher Thomas Kohn, who coined the phrase paradigm

751
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.880
<v Speaker 2>shift like that's how it entered the American lexicon, And

752
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.960
<v Speaker 2>what he argues in that book is effectively that the

753
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:13.719
<v Speaker 2>paradigm sets what is considered to be quote unquote scientific right.

754
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:15.599
<v Speaker 2>We can imagine this is sort of the Overton window

755
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:20.400
<v Speaker 2>what's allowable, And he basically makes the argument that this is,

756
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to be honest, a slightly biological function, that effectively a

757
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.400
<v Speaker 2>paradigm exists, it answers questions at the time, and then

758
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<v Speaker 2>it sort of decays for years afterwards until such a

759
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<v Speaker 2>point where it becomes untenable, the people who believed in

760
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it were raised and it sort of die and a

761
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:45.880
<v Speaker 2>new paradigm exists. And I think that people mistakenly viewed

762
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<v Speaker 2>Trump as a new paradigm instead of, in my mind,

763
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<v Speaker 2>the kind of final gasps of one, because fundamentally, like

764
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<v Speaker 2>I look at Trump and he's kind of just like

765
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<v Speaker 2>w E. Bill Clinton functionally, you know, like he's outrageous,

766
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>he says crazy stuff. You know, he's got the big hair,

767
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 2>the big personality, but any individual issue isn't really that

768
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:16.800
<v Speaker 2>crazy that outside of what is normal. And both on

769
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 2>the right and the left, you're seeing a rejection of

770
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<v Speaker 2>the current paradigm, whether you want to call it the

771
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:28.159
<v Speaker 2>neo conservative, neoliberal, whatever, the post sixty four version of

772
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<v Speaker 2>America is. I realize those terms don't necessarily apply in

773
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 2>that entire time span, but give me some leway on this.

774
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm cooking, as the kids saying so. On the left,

775
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.360
<v Speaker 2>of course, we saw this early with socialism. Right, that

776
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<v Speaker 2>went from being a scary bad word you couldn't talk

777
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<v Speaker 2>about to you is something you can get on well

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<v Speaker 2>designed merchandise from the zor on Mamdani merch star. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something that for people under a certain age carries no

780
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<v Speaker 2>weight whatsoever. I think I was eating with, you know,

781
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<v Speaker 2>one of my wife's friends, who's probably fifty something, you

782
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<v Speaker 2>know kids our age. Husband's actually a wild a wild firefighter,

783
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<v Speaker 2>which is weird coincidence. But the point is when he's

784
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<v Speaker 2>off somewhere, she's home and we, you know, invite her

785
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<v Speaker 2>over for dinner. She hasn't got monels to do, and

786
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 2>we're talking to her, and she's a very smart woman,

787
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 2>very well read, and she couldn't wrap her head around

788
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the fact that socialism had entered common parlance. Again, it

789
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:32.039
<v Speaker 2>wasn't scary because when she grew up that was synonymous

790
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<v Speaker 2>with the devil. It was totally beyond the pale where look,

791
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<v Speaker 2>I don't like socialism, you know, I went through the

792
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<v Speaker 2>same Austrian phace that a lot of guys did. But

793
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<v Speaker 2>like if I met a socialist, I wouldn't feel like

794
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I met a child molester. You know. It's not like

795
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I had to wash my hand after shaking it, and

796
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I might because socialists don't shower much, but you know

797
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. And so I think they were first

798
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<v Speaker 2>to the punch with that kind of full not full,

799
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<v Speaker 2>but partial kind of dispensing of a previous set of values,

800
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<v Speaker 2>and I think what we're seeing on the right is

801
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.519
<v Speaker 2>a very similar thing. You see this generationally as well.

802
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:10.079
<v Speaker 2>There's been a huge uproar, primarily in the UK because

803
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the UK got hit by feminism in the same way

804
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 2>that we did by racism, if that makes sense. Like

805
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.280
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of a similarly psychral concept on both sides

806
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.559
<v Speaker 2>of the Atlantic. But you see all of these horrific

807
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 2>or horrified excuse me, think pieces about the rise of

808
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Tate, the rise of the tradwife, new worrying statistics

809
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 2>that a higher percentage of women ever think they should

810
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:36.199
<v Speaker 2>obey their husbands. And of course these are relatively minor changes.

811
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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen percent of women saying they should always obey their

812
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.400
<v Speaker 2>husband is not a majority by any means, but it

813
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<v Speaker 2>is three times the rate of baby boomer women who

814
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<v Speaker 2>say the same thing. They're like, okay, that's a paradigm shift.

815
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<v Speaker 2>It's a radically different way of thinking, and on both

816
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the right and the left. The right we don't really

817
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 2>need to talk about because it's what you and I

818
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 2>are doing, Buck, It's all of our friends, all of

819
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>our associates, a bunch of other people we don't even like,

820
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:02.079
<v Speaker 2>but are similarly rejecting. I guess you could say, like

821
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<v Speaker 2>the right wing paradigm of Ronald Reagan, the mold that

822
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<v Speaker 2>every politician has sort of existed in.

823
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<v Speaker 1>And so.

824
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a general sense that whatever this paradigm is,

825
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it, it is coming to

826
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>an end. No longer has a way to explain why

827
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 2>things are happening. The carrots and sticks associated the rewards

828
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.400
<v Speaker 2>and then the punishments, those are kind of falling apart,

829
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and so there's not much left in it right. That

830
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>box can't contain what needs to happen. And so in

831
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 2>my mind, what's really seeing is sort of an organization

832
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 2>for the next round of the game, right, who are

833
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.599
<v Speaker 2>going to be, what are the sides going to be?

834
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Who's going to set the next paradigm? Because I think

835
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 2>your point about Donald Trump being the man for the moment,

836
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>not the man for this moment, I think is quite accurate,

837
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:51.079
<v Speaker 2>and I think there were chances where he could have.

838
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:54.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a version of January sixth that's very,

839
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 2>very different. There's a version of Butler Pa. There's a

840
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 2>version of the Charlie Kirk assassination, which are very different,

841
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 2>and maybe he could have made that transition and become

842
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the man who set the rules for a new era.

843
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>But seemingly whatever this round is is coming to a close.

844
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Paradigm is dying, and clearly like at the point where

845
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 2>you have the most popular podcaster, by extension of the

846
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 2>most popular media figure in America saying things that you know,

847
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.239
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago would have gotten you completely and totally

848
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>deplatformed about I don't know, a certain nation in the

849
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Middle East. You're like, Okay, something is shifted, something has moved,

850
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:36.079
<v Speaker 2>This is moving out of it's moving into the realm

851
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.840
<v Speaker 2>of the scientific right to kind of crib a line

852
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.440
<v Speaker 2>from Kun there. And so to me, that's what I

853
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of feel like we're seeing, we're seeing the emergence

854
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:51.559
<v Speaker 2>of a new political framework. And look, there's entirely possible that,

855
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, whatever our side is, we don't win this

856
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and we just get like Brazilian communism for sixty years,

857
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>which sounds really really awful. That's a possibility. But I

858
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 2>think that this kind of like gay neoliberal globalism, whether

859
00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:09.800
<v Speaker 2>right or left flavored, and my mind is dead like

860
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>on the on the front of globalism, is just physically

861
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.199
<v Speaker 2>not going to be possible anymore. Right, the straight up

862
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.199
<v Speaker 2>hooror moves is closed, whether we want it to be

863
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 2>or not. Like that that changes the state of play.

864
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.280
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't know, maybe that's an overly theoretical

865
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 2>way to look at it, but it does feel like

866
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>we actually are going through a real paradigm shift, and

867
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:32.159
<v Speaker 2>what we're seeing with this generational divide is simply who

868
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 2>will be left with a decaying sort of model of

869
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the world and who moves on. And look, that doesn't

870
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 2>mean that people in an old paradigm don't still have

871
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 2>lots of money, don't still have lots of power, But

872
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I think that it will be sort of like you know,

873
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the the old right after FDRs in power, where like

874
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.840
<v Speaker 2>you look at tafts like presidential priorities, and like who

875
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 2>cares about this at all? It's not relevant to how

876
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the system is. It becomes something completely and totally past

877
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>itself by date. And so that sort of feels like

878
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.320
<v Speaker 2>what we're going through now. At the same time, as

879
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I said earlier, there's an immense amount of polarization. You know,

880
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:10.519
<v Speaker 2>there is both a far left and a far right,

881
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 2>but there seems to be no life left in really

882
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 2>the kind of like old model of politics. And ironically enough,

883
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 2>these insane Zionists are making that problem worse by kicking

884
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 2>out anyone under thirty. You know, has happened to heritage,

885
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:33.360
<v Speaker 2>that happened at you know, the young Republicans, College Republicans.

886
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:37.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Sorry, it's been a long diatribe for me,

887
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:38.360
<v Speaker 2>but I'm curious to get your thoughts.

888
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Buck, Yeah, that makes sense. It reminds me. Paul Gottfried

889
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.360
<v Speaker 1>has talked about this countless times. I believe he wrote

890
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:48.599
<v Speaker 1>a book about it. But the purge that happened back

891
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 1>sort of when the neo cons took over, you had

892
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.280
<v Speaker 1>people like Sam Francis, Pat Buchanan to an extent, although

893
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.320
<v Speaker 1>he managed to keep somewhat of a high profile. But yeah,

894
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.559
<v Speaker 1>certainly Paul Gottfried and you know, we ended up I'm

895
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to think of the fellow that was going to

896
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 1>be in the Ronald Reagan administration and they had sort

897
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:11.119
<v Speaker 1>of a coup against him because he liked the South

898
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.599
<v Speaker 1>or something like this, and we ended up with Bill Bennett,

899
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.400
<v Speaker 1>who was a lifelong just turd in the punch bowl basically,

900
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.199
<v Speaker 1>And so they tried that back then, and it worked

901
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:26.159
<v Speaker 1>because again everything was more centralized as far as media outlets,

902
00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 1>and there was a lot of gatekeepers, and that sort

903
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 1>of time is gone, and so this seemed more like

904
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a cartoon version of that the purge when Trump fires

905
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 1>out that truth social post about the podcasters and it's like, yeah,

906
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.719
<v Speaker 1>but you can't kick those people out. I mean, you

907
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 1>can kick him out of the administration. I suppose heritage,

908
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:53.639
<v Speaker 1>but like again, Tucker's audience is Tucker's audience. Candice, Alex,

909
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan to some extent, Theo Vaughn to some extent,

910
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who's listeners were carrying the MAGA

911
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.840
<v Speaker 1>movement to for a short period of time. They don't

912
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:10.159
<v Speaker 1>just go away. And so it does feel like there's

913
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 1>this new paradigm shift. And it's interesting. I think you

914
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>were saying how Trump could have done such and such

915
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and could have. I guess in theory he still could.

916
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>There's two more years, but it seemed like the next

917
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.519
<v Speaker 1>man up to actually challenge this sort of neo conservative,

918
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:32.039
<v Speaker 1>neoliberal paradigm could have been Charlie Kirk. And I would

919
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.760
<v Speaker 1>have never thought that I wasn't a hater by any means,

920
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.079
<v Speaker 1>but I just wasn't. I didn't follow him particularly, I

921
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>just knew who he was and sort of knew his stick.

922
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Then you start hearing things post death on Charlie Kirk,

923
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the text that he was sending people like Candas and

924
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Tucker's story about how after he went to this retreat

925
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.760
<v Speaker 1>where all the Zionists were basically threatening him, he goes

926
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.199
<v Speaker 1>to Tucker's cabin or whatever in Maine and sort of

927
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.639
<v Speaker 1>events and says like these guys are scaring me, and

928
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:06.039
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, and then he dies. Now, I won't

929
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.239
<v Speaker 1>paint a conspiracy. I don't know who did what, who

930
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:11.679
<v Speaker 1>controlled what. I'm not going to get canvass Olwen's on

931
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:15.360
<v Speaker 1>us here and start trotting out theories, but sure is

932
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 1>weird coincidence. It's like, I'm not going to come out

933
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.760
<v Speaker 1>and say that something other than the mainstream story is

934
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 1>what we've been told is has happened. But it's if

935
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 1>you were to paint it as line up some facts,

936
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and you certainly could draw a picture that looked like

937
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:34.920
<v Speaker 1>something other than what they're telling has happened happened. Same

938
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 1>thing with Butler pa even why is it shut down

939
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.039
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, like you don't want to dig

940
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 1>any further into that. If you're the head of the

941
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:45.000
<v Speaker 1>government and the assassination, the temp was on you, No,

942
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, wash our hands of that. That's interesting.

943
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:53.440
<v Speaker 1>But yet the guy that shot Adam over the weekend

944
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:57.440
<v Speaker 1>in the press Corps event, like we know everything about

945
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 1>him in a day, and we've got his manifest and

946
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.960
<v Speaker 1>where he went to school. All these things come out.

947
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.960
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. Why can't we find that about Charlie Kirk's person.

948
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Why can't we find that about the Butler Pa person,

949
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 1>even the guy and down in Florida that made the attempt.

950
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.440
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of things. When you leave things unanswered,

951
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 1>you create room for conspiracy theories, and then the conspiracy

952
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.360
<v Speaker 1>theories come out and then we all get shouted down

953
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like we're insane or something. And it's like these wouldn't

954
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 1>exist if you would just come out with pictures, factual

955
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.880
<v Speaker 1>evidence of everything and tell us what went down. So

956
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:38.719
<v Speaker 1>that's been troubling. But yeah, it feels like they've tried

957
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:43.519
<v Speaker 1>this new purge and it's just again, the toothpaste is

958
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 1>out of the tube. You can't put this stuff back in.

959
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.239
<v Speaker 1>The anger is still there, the angst the energy bubbling

960
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.719
<v Speaker 1>right there under the surface on the right, and it

961
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:56.920
<v Speaker 1>feels like Israel also knew this is our last sort

962
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.719
<v Speaker 1>of chance to do this greater Israel pride that's been

963
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.719
<v Speaker 1>being pushed for decades now. And I was a General

964
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Wesley Clark that came out where he said that he

965
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 1>saw the list of the seven countries or whatever. Well,

966
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:13.119
<v Speaker 1>now it's taken much longer than the timeline that they

967
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.519
<v Speaker 1>were he was giving us initially. But it's like, finally,

968
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.880
<v Speaker 1>it's our last chance we can do this. And that's

969
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of what's going on now. And I don't know

970
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.519
<v Speaker 1>again if they're threatening Trump or what they've gone on him,

971
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 1>what's happening there. It appears something's happening. And I would

972
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.280
<v Speaker 1>almost give him grace. If the threats are on his

973
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:35.679
<v Speaker 1>family and he's doing this, maybe I have empathy for that.

974
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 1>If they're on him and he's doing this, not as

975
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 1>much empathy. You know, be a man, be a martyr.

976
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.119
<v Speaker 1>You're eighty years old, stand up for what's right and

977
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:46.119
<v Speaker 1>make it your last gasp to save the union that

978
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>you so lovingly speak about and we're supposed to put first.

979
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And now it's just a big mess and again. Yeah,

980
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.719
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. I'm curious to see where things happen so fast.

981
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:03.320
<v Speaker 1>You alluded to this early. I probably can't even fathom

982
00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 1>what things are going to be like by twenty twenty eight.

983
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Who knows what will have happened, how many more attempts

984
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 1>on people's lives or have well, how many major media

985
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.039
<v Speaker 1>figures will have a lot of attempts on their lives.

986
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where we're going to be at financially,

987
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.159
<v Speaker 1>as far as the economy goes, What Israel's going to

988
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.119
<v Speaker 1>look like, what Iran's going to look like, what Lebanon

989
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.360
<v Speaker 1>is going to look like. I can't even imagine it,

990
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.239
<v Speaker 1>but I suspect it will be quite different than where

991
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.119
<v Speaker 1>we're speaking at on things right now.

992
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's one of those things where any there's been

993
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.960
<v Speaker 2>so much infighting, and I kind of understand it, right,

994
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 2>there's a lull, people are kind of unsure of where

995
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:54.719
<v Speaker 2>they stand. But one of the things that I've kind

996
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.920
<v Speaker 2>of committed on is that at a certain point, it

997
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.480
<v Speaker 2>feels like the are in the air, right, we don't

998
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>quite know where things are falling, and so it's like, well,

999
00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:09.760
<v Speaker 2>just dude, don't take yourself out, all right? We don't

1000
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.679
<v Speaker 2>really know where this goes. We don't really know where

1001
00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 2>this develops, and so to to sort of neutralize yourself

1002
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.079
<v Speaker 2>before you even see the next hand of cards, in

1003
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.840
<v Speaker 2>my mind is is short sighted. I'll put it that way.

1004
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:25.639
<v Speaker 2>I was joking about, you know, the fact that the

1005
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.400
<v Speaker 2>last twenty years, if just one giant loop, you know

1006
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:32.159
<v Speaker 2>that we're back, you know, war in the Middle East.

1007
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Their country music is back on the radio and they've

1008
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.159
<v Speaker 2>got you know, white kids from Alabama and recruiting ads,

1009
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.679
<v Speaker 2>and Okay, on a certain superficial cynical level, that's true,

1010
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:48.480
<v Speaker 2>but it does feel like first as tragedy, then as farce,

1011
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.199
<v Speaker 2>where it's like the tenor in the tone has shifted

1012
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:58.480
<v Speaker 2>so dramatically. This war is so unpopular. And you were

1013
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:00.719
<v Speaker 2>talking about your you know, your co work, right, the

1014
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:03.400
<v Speaker 2>guys on your team, And I think about this like,

1015
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll invite people over a couple times a month, whatever,

1016
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.239
<v Speaker 2>if there's a decent UFC fight on nothing major, just

1017
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:14.280
<v Speaker 2>a few guys sitting around in my basement. And the

1018
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:21.320
<v Speaker 2>amount of what some would say casual anti Semitism that's

1019
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>passed around as jokes where it's like, oh, you know,

1020
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 2>some guys you know, didn't send in the Venmo request

1021
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.320
<v Speaker 2>for the beer run, and it's oh, Rabbi blank and oh,

1022
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:35.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, do you need to give that to BB?

1023
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:37.119
<v Speaker 2>And these are guys who aren't I don't know what

1024
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I do, or they might know what I do. They

1025
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 2>don't care. There's normal guys. And I don't understand how

1026
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:49.719
<v Speaker 2>this system as it exists. It can bend on a

1027
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of things, it can absorb a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 2>but that commitment is so close to the center of

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<v Speaker 2>what the purpose of this government is. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it can absorb that, and so seemingly according to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Republican officials all across you know, the US, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to try and make it illegal. Right, we have sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>anti semitism laws. And we understand, right when we say

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01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.800
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism, we don't mean crystal knocked. We mean not

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<v Speaker 2>particularly liking one bb Netanya who sends one of his

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers to desecrate a statue of Jesus. Right, we understand

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<v Speaker 2>what we mean when you say that. I don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>how the system folds that sentiment in because they clearly

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<v Speaker 2>made an attempt at the raw raw America. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>here's here's a kill cam of us blowing up an

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<v Speaker 2>unarmed Iranian ship. And I'll be honest, man, Personally, I

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01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.840
<v Speaker 2>don't care about Iranian shipping. It doesn't keep me up

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<v Speaker 2>at night. But it's clear that that isn't for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's clear that whatever this thing is, this paradigm doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>work for me or guys like me. And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>not out of some you know, blind loyalty to the Ayahtola.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting paid by the Chai cooms. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>getting paid by Katar, although if any parties I have

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<v Speaker 2>named are interested, gotta link in the description, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not opposed to it. But in all seriousness, right,

1051
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:13.119
<v Speaker 2>the ability to spin a narrative is completely and totally broken.

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<v Speaker 2>And in my mind, the ability to spin a narrative

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01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 2>really broke during the Biden advent. You know, when we're

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<v Speaker 2>the infamous you know speech where he's you know, flanked

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<v Speaker 2>with marines, the red light, all that kind of stuff,

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01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, threatening bombing Americans. It's like it felt like

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<v Speaker 2>that was a definitive off the rails moment, where the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that we were going to go back to normal

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<v Speaker 2>Obama or normal Bill Clinton or normal. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>not on the table. And yeah, I don't necessarily think

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<v Speaker 2>things are going to be particularly pleasant by certain metrics,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is interesting and if nothing else, I'm quite

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that this paradigm, this Overton window is rapidly breaking down,

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<v Speaker 2>if for no other reason than the fact that our

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01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:02.880
<v Speaker 2>country is more is less and less American, and quite

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<v Speaker 2>simply Somali's do not care about any of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And in another deep irony, right, it does seem as

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01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.280
<v Speaker 2>if they've sort of done this to themselves that if

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<v Speaker 2>they had been willing to just let certain things slide

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<v Speaker 2>define day however you will, that it would have been,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the kind of we could have kept politics

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<v Speaker 2>running on that eternal narrow band of you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>five by eight index card of allowable opinions, as one

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<v Speaker 2>guy once said, But they wanted more, they wanted more quick,

1075
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<v Speaker 2>and that ended up breaking the whole thing down. Buck,

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<v Speaker 2>this has been a ton of fun, man, We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to talk more often. It's been too long.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, the people find fast. They can find me

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere you find podcasts counterflow with Buck Johnson. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a new substack that I always forget to advertise. Buck

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson dot substack dot com where I actually write pieces,

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01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and then of course I put most clips of episodes

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. And that's Oh. You can follow me on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter or x at buck Rebel b U c k

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<v Speaker 1>R E b E L.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, after we wrap up, be sure to link that

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<v Speaker 2>because you can do this weird thing where I basically

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01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:17.760
<v Speaker 2>make you a co author, so everyone who sees it

1089
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:19.920
<v Speaker 2>on substack just clicks a link and they're at your stuff. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>got it, so send me that. It's very professional to

1091
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:25.760
<v Speaker 2>talk about that live on air, so to speak. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as my stuff, Jay Burdens Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.719
<v Speaker 2>anywhere you listen to podcasts, what the episodes early in

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<v Speaker 2>ad free. I know the ads are annoying, but you

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01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.639
<v Speaker 2>boys got to pay a mortgage somehow, Well you do

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<v Speaker 2>so on Patreon, substack or gum road youso check out

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsor, Fox and Son's Coffee. I was really mad

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<v Speaker 2>because I thought I was out of coffee, but it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out no, I had just misplaced my Fox and

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<v Speaker 2>Sons coffee in the fridge. And let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty good. I was glad to have found it. Buck,

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm sure you're aware. It feels like the real

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<v Speaker 2>dividing line of if you were an adult or not

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<v Speaker 2>is if you have a giant freezer. Like that's the

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01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 2>point where it's like kind of like you made it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you made it, and I got one yes

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<v Speaker 2>buying in bulk, you know, yes, yeah yeah. But point

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<v Speaker 2>is I did lose my coffee in there under like

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<v Speaker 2>a pile of millet flour or whatever my wife had

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<v Speaker 2>in there. So the point is highly recommend it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff. You should check it out again. Buck, It's

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<v Speaker 2>great speaking to you and everyone at home. Keep your

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<v Speaker 2>head up. Well, I can't last forever. Good Night,