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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. And I'm Stephen, and.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a podcast all about the weird and wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>world of the Dark comedy anthology series Inside number nine.

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<v Speaker 1>On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheresmith's twisted tales, putting it under

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<v Speaker 1>a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and

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<v Speaker 2>join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I'm all right, tic tic, taking.

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<v Speaker 2>Along another week in the dream Factory, absolutely not giving

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<v Speaker 2>up to anything exciting. Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm dredging my memory now to thank you, but not really. No, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>how about you.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a fun morning of three back to back

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<v Speaker 2>e learnings that I've been putting off.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fun.

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<v Speaker 2>That outlook just kept pinging me with reminders from the

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<v Speaker 2>like learning Portal thing, one of which was for stress,

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<v Speaker 2>which didn't feel very When you start getting messages of

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<v Speaker 2>your manager will be informed if you've not done this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's about stress. Yeah, the irony was not lost. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I finished all those and then a fourth

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<v Speaker 2>one popped up and I'm like, off, go away, leave

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<v Speaker 2>me alone. Yeah, that sent my colleague that meme with

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<v Speaker 2>the old lady going another one I.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't keep up. Yeah, I always find it quite funny

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<v Speaker 1>how like everyone's so into mental health these days and

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<v Speaker 1>it being like a hot topic, and like managers set

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<v Speaker 1>you trainings about stress and stuff, and that's like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that they've done their bit. They don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about how they're treating you in the job and everything. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>they've given you an e learning course.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that, Like boxes are being ticked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, last week's hair was an interesting one. It

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<v Speaker 1>was we might have to play this one a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times, so yeah, let's listen back to it. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like just watching this scene, just like all I can

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<v Speaker 1>think is just I just remember Nick Clift in his

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<v Speaker 1>dressing room, dressing gown. Sorry, I just remember Nick Clift

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<v Speaker 1>in his dressing room. But Nicklift in his dressing room.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you couldn't quite make that out, it was

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Clifton's dressing room.

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<v Speaker 2>Genuinely very impressed, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one we were thinking, how the hell are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to get that in?

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of about five, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>One down? Yes, well done, very well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Listen out for another one this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, as we discuss how do you plead? Series six,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode five, plot summary, you've got this week is Webster

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<v Speaker 2>the Famous I was gonna say Barister, the famous Barrister.

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<v Speaker 2>Webster the Famous Barrister is not well and not an

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<v Speaker 2>easy man to look after his care Urban knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to take the rough with the smooth, dishing out the drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>or appealing to the old man's vanity. But on this

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<v Speaker 2>particular night, something is coming that will test Webster's resolve

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<v Speaker 2>and his legal skills to the very end.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Thought it's okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, roll the credits. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoy it? Yeah? I think Jacoby does a fantastic job.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he's always good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Characters are great. Is it the best twist in the

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<v Speaker 2>world in a way, No, but not really certain elements

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<v Speaker 2>of it I really like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that the one person they could break their

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<v Speaker 1>rule for was Derek Jacoby, which is totally understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, don't they argue something like he's not been

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<v Speaker 2>physically on the Yeah, they can argue it with it

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<v Speaker 2>sound alike in the last one, if you really want

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<v Speaker 2>to push it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was maca packer from in the night. What.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that was him until very recently. That

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<v Speaker 2>was so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got such a wonderful voice, such a musical voice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one line he's got that just keeps going through

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<v Speaker 1>my head. Later on in the episode, when Urban wakes

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<v Speaker 1>up and he just goes, I thought it was me

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<v Speaker 1>that needed sleep. It's so wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we start. We're in a lyft.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, does any lift in this day and

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<v Speaker 1>age actually have an attendant?

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<v Speaker 2>A little? Yeah, I know, because I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be old. Robots are stealing my jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>But a button, I don't really feel you need someone

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<v Speaker 2>to press a button for you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Although I suppose it's a luxury thing, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit like, oh, we're so fancy we have

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<v Speaker 1>a person who does it for you, like having a

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<v Speaker 1>doorman or something, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, the robots replacing your jobs thing. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>why it's good to keep people doing jobs and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Equally a job where you literally sit in a box

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<v Speaker 2>all day, especially for an old man that probably doesn't leave.

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<v Speaker 2>You're sitting there to press a button twice a day

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<v Speaker 2>to let his doctrine and out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like give give the give.

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<v Speaker 2>A robot that job. Yes, it almost started at this.

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<v Speaker 2>When I watched that, I was wondering whether it was

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<v Speaker 2>a period episode to start with. Oh, yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be sett in like the nineteen twenties

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<v Speaker 2>or something. Yeah, but judging by Reese's costume, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 2>well no, And it did talk about dates and don't

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<v Speaker 2>they So yeah, it definitely is modern day. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>found that a little bit strange. It is a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit necessary for later, but yeah, a bit strange.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I've just not been in push enough buildings.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, are we just is it not even a

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<v Speaker 2>case if you have to suspend his belief? Maybe that

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<v Speaker 2>literally does just happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I've not come across it,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're not in the right tax bracket by a

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<v Speaker 2>long way to know the answer to these questions. Right in,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a man that lives in your lift.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and he's meant to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not in the wall situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you like the murals on the wall when you

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<v Speaker 1>get outside the lift.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they spotted them before or tormented

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<v Speaker 2>souls around the lift.

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<v Speaker 1>They like lacing in their little hints, and.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a lot of them in this one as well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you really listen out for them. It's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of steak out style, so many little sayings and things

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<v Speaker 2>that mean something.

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<v Speaker 1>M so Reese's character whose name is Urban Bedford. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I always think sounds like a coffee table book, like

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<v Speaker 1>Urban Bedford as seen from the Sky or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very strange name.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a weird name. I assumed it was going

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<v Speaker 2>to have been a character in a bit, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Varney character or whatever. Like I kind of figured that

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<v Speaker 2>that was maybe something, but not that I've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to find.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently it is very slightly who Okay, both Webster and

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<v Speaker 1>Urban I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Find Webster, yes, yeah, from a nineteen thirty six book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Devil and Daniel Webster.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, and was also made into a film a film. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's that one. And apparently Urban is named after

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<v Speaker 1>someone called Urbane who was a real historical persona a

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<v Speaker 1>priest or something who potentially was accused of doing deals

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<v Speaker 1>with the devil or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, maybe I was googling the full name and not

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<v Speaker 2>getting anything. Yeah, yeah, that might have been why I

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<v Speaker 2>just got lots of houses in center of Bedford exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny name, isn't it. And his cousin Rural. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't think of an ending to that.

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<v Speaker 2>And the random Kurt for no real is it Kurt?

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<v Speaker 1>It is Kurt?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't really know what he adds massively.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bit confused because he's not a doctor, is he?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I think?

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<v Speaker 1>So what is he?

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<v Speaker 2>To Webster? That's sort of maybe his like butler or

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<v Speaker 2>like secretary or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he pa or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man servant or whatever you yeah, go back in

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<v Speaker 2>olden times, say, I don't know what the equivalent nowadays is.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have them because it's probably illegal. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, yeah, PA type thing, I guess, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure his role adds other than a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>M a bit of setting him up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess it gives you a chance to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Urban, not around Webster. Yeah, because he does change

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. He's a lot more flowery when he's when

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<v Speaker 2>he's talking to Webster.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and a lot camper.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess it's it's showing that the Urban

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<v Speaker 2>has two sides to him in a way. I guess maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of expected he was going to come back

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<v Speaker 2>in some way. But oh, Kurt, Yeah, but that's him done.

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<v Speaker 1>That's him done. Yeah, Kurt, we hardly need so bit

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<v Speaker 1>of background then, So is it do we find out

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<v Speaker 1>his name is? Is Derek Webster?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't Webster, it's just Webster. He does get a

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<v Speaker 2>d Webster, yeah, which I guess is the Daniel bit

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<v Speaker 2>from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I suppose, yeah, not to that still, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking Derek because Derek Jackoby. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>he is a former extremely high flying lawyer and is

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<v Speaker 1>his birthday party. It's been his birthday party, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>dying basically he's impalliative care yep. And so yeah, Reese

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<v Speaker 1>is his nurse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've just noticed though that this this is the

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<v Speaker 2>presumably the penthouse suite of this building that seems to

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<v Speaker 2>only be a little anti room in a bedroom mm,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. There's no real there's a little blass roomy

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd think a penthouse would be bigger, he would, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least have big doors off to other rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, apparently they repurpose the set from Simon says, which

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<v Speaker 1>you can't tell that at all. Doesn't look anything like it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even work out which orientation is No. No,

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<v Speaker 2>well done, well done set people. Yes it is a

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<v Speaker 2>cool set though lovely. There's a lot going on in it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like so much design work's gone on with all. It

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<v Speaker 2>feels really lived in m hm, like an anti shop

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<v Speaker 2>mm hmm, which is why things like the tormented souls

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<v Speaker 2>around the lift don't really stand out exactly fit perfectly.

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<v Speaker 1>You just over them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Webster is not a happy man. He's shouting

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<v Speaker 2>and screaming and swearing left, right and center. He's very

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<v Speaker 1>I think yes, BBC Concert Orchestra, she plays the clarinet.

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<v Speaker 2>She does. I have to edit my question for Netflix episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what what what does she play? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then so we get this interesting, weird relationship between

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's nice, quite nice love hate thing. Yeah, bickering,

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<v Speaker 1>He even says the word protocol at one point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, he seems like such a sort of sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like, yeah, we should know about that means nothing. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also thought, weirdly, when he's saying goodbye to Kurt,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a nice character and they've got you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>like the way they build up character by sort of

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<v Speaker 1>referencing things that Webster's noticed about him, Like he says,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even swear, do you? And it's like I happen.

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<v Speaker 1>No one to blurnt out fiddlesticks in moments of crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just like a little married couple, like bickering

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<v Speaker 2>away and making jokes and like the one about are

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<v Speaker 2>you mad because your antique road show whatever it was

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<v Speaker 2>and three people been on you. Yeah, all Webster wants

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<v Speaker 2>is drugs. He is not a happy man, but Urban

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<v Speaker 2>won't give him any because he might overdose him, but

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<v Speaker 2>promise of half a fentanyl. So, like you said, Webster's

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<v Speaker 2>to see what he was like, gets him to talk

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<v Speaker 2>him through a case, how he would have how he

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<v Speaker 2>would have solved it. I really enjoyed these kind of

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<v Speaker 2>things that they do in films. I don't really know how,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I like that he's sort of explaining, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what you would have done to get him off and

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of and how all sorts of works,

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<v Speaker 2>but half it doesn't. And it really bugs me that

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<v Speaker 2>he never explains how we'd have got out of shooting

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's wife in the face. He just explains why

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<v Speaker 2>he waved his gun around, why he tied her up

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<v Speaker 2>and drove her away.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh does he not? Does he not cover the.

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<v Speaker 2>No? And it really bugs me, And I'd not noticed

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<v Speaker 2>it until this time that he never covers that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just glossed over the entire story here, But.

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<v Speaker 1>You glossed over the precius staughter xylophone, xylophone.

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<v Speaker 2>How could I miss xylophone?

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking it should be pronounced a xylophony.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what she goes by at school when she when

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<v Speaker 2>she went to a Cambridge, she went by that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that he says about you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>ex wife and his reaction of wife. His story is

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<v Speaker 1>already stretching.

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<v Speaker 2>We love.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that hadn't occurred to me that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mention about the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>He produced his gun to get custody of xylophone, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's driven, he tied her up, driven her away to

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<v Speaker 2>their country.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Shack cabin or whatever. And when she said no, he

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<v Speaker 2>shot her in the face. And yeah, he explains that

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<v Speaker 2>he was cleaning.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain what the witnesses saw. But then you can't explain

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<v Speaker 1>why she's now dead, dead and got a massive hole

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<v Speaker 1>in her face.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, like I say, I think would be the more

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<v Speaker 2>important part of the trial. Obviously kidnapped bad, but murders

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<v Speaker 2>I would say worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I suppose if there's no witnesses at the cabin,

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<v Speaker 1>then you can't prove that.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's not as good as

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<v Speaker 1>we thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe he just got he's not feeling well. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he forgot that, yeah, exactly. Yes, So now we get

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<v Speaker 2>the bit of him wanting so Webster very much wants

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<v Speaker 2>to see his old files. I don't quite understand this.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm missing something. Why is he so insistent on

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<v Speaker 2>seeing these files? And what's because he makes out like

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<v Speaker 2>he's forgotten everything?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think isn't the idea that because he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to manipulate well, yeah, urban into into forgiving him, So

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<v Speaker 1>he's sort of setting up this situation where he finds out, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than just killing him.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm you know, I can't really push it

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<v Speaker 2>too much out, jumping straight to the end. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really understand what the forgiving him bit does.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it emphasizes what a kind soul he supposedly is.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose which is important to him. I guess, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what that's for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I didn't really know whether Webster really was genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>forgetting or whether it was just a big ploy, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I read it as that it was deliberate.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think he just wanted to, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get some some kind of solid proof that, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>really is he's such a good man.

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<v Speaker 2>He gives me that, right, So that doesn't actually play

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<v Speaker 2>into the later bit. It just proves that he's a

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<v Speaker 2>good person, right, Okay, now I can buy that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so he wants his stuff out of there. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>his old files, but they're locked away and you can't

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<v Speaker 2>with the keys, so she immediately jumps to destroy the dresser. Yeah, okay, fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Reese's character is so well written, the way he responds

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<v Speaker 1>to everything before we get all the world's strongest man.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in his days when he was a barista.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, he goes and digs out his

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<v Speaker 1>frocks and that line when he says, what made you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a barrister in the first place? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it this costume? And be honest?

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<v Speaker 2>And I've just got a joke about dogs trust and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember why that's here in my note.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh he's saying, you wouldn't have got rid of them,

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<v Speaker 1>you definitely still have them. You wouldn't have given them

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<v Speaker 1>to dogs trust.

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<v Speaker 2>That was it. So I was like the shout out

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<v Speaker 2>for potentially Woodgreens dog trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and now we get a nice little bit

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<v Speaker 2>from and talking about his past and how he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really he doesn't like filing cabinet. Why does he say

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<v Speaker 2>filing I guess its because these files are in there.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a filing cabinet on the because they're remind

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<v Speaker 2>him of school. Yeah, and that's to tell the whole

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<v Speaker 2>story about how he saw someone choke to death on

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<v Speaker 2>a satsuma tangerine anderine who was the school bully, and

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<v Speaker 2>how people just stood around and no one helped to

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<v Speaker 2>just date the crisps mhm, and how it's really stuck

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<v Speaker 2>with him, and how he tried to help but by

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<v Speaker 2>sticking his fingers down this guy's throat, which he really

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<v Speaker 2>cringes that now because it's not protocol er. Yes, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing really happened because of it. He just ended up

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<v Speaker 2>making crumble and forget hurrying on with her day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So first thing to mention about that is that,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Reese, that is based on a real experience

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<v Speaker 1>of his. Oh wow, okay, although the person thankfully didn't die, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he managed to dislodge it, but it was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those moments where it could have gone either way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know he used it for this. But

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<v Speaker 1>also this is it just me? But this this concept

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<v Speaker 1>of a school bully, as if there's one person who

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<v Speaker 1>is known as the school bully. Yeah, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't find that very realistic. Like it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a cliche, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh, we had many exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they don't think of themselves as bullies. They

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<v Speaker 1>just they're just people and they are our soholes.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and hopefully now they're in prison hopefully. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just I just found that a bit like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh God, like you know, yeah, it's like we're in

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<v Speaker 1>an Enid Blyton book or something.

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<v Speaker 2>True. Maybe it was a small school. There's only twelve

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<v Speaker 2>of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So love when he calls out Hetty Wayne through Investigates.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved Testy Wayne through Investigates back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've never watched it. You know, I should have

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<v Speaker 1>because your outledge. Yeah, but no, I've never got round

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<v Speaker 1>that it was a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really remember anything about it other than her

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<v Speaker 2>and what's his face from Lord of the Rings, Oh, Dominic,

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<v Speaker 2>what's he called? He's either Merry up ip In, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember which, it was like one of his first roles,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like her little assistant. Okay, and it's them

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<v Speaker 2>two solving crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, somewhere like Whitby or something. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like I think I think it's a coastal northern he

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<v Speaker 2>sort of place. But yes, her just running around solving

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<v Speaker 2>very small little crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I've seen clips of her

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<v Speaker 1>sort of squinting like suspiciously.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, that's a hairpin out of the old wigs

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<v Speaker 2>and masterfully opens the filing cabinet. You know, total skills

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<v Speaker 2>that normal people have.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love that he even calls it out, like

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<v Speaker 1>like in the films.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so Urban's broke in, got these files

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<v Speaker 2>and having to read through and he's finding out that

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<v Speaker 2>at some point he's gone from every client to Websters

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<v Speaker 2>has been found guilty until at some point it switched,

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<v Speaker 2>it all started changing every single one after is found

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I liked how you know he's been going on

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<v Speaker 1>about oh there's I've got a weight of weight that

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get off my chest and then the

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<v Speaker 1>client's called a weight.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, nice clicked for me. So creepy point. Urban

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<v Speaker 2>has a scary dream. We don't know the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. But when he goes up to

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<v Speaker 1>the chair and the guy's choking in the chair. When

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<v Speaker 1>you see him like the side profile, I always think

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<v Speaker 1>it's Steve, me too, it's not just me. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he turns around and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not you. But yeah, yeah I did the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just me.

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<v Speaker 2>Then yeah, yeah, we're just instinctively anti more Steve, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we get sort of a nightmare version of

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<v Speaker 2>what he of him recalling this event of this body

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<v Speaker 2>suffocating and it's chewing orange juice all over him.

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<v Speaker 1>Lovely.

429
00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, all a dream, it's all good. Wakes up

430
00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.680
<v Speaker 2>in Webster's bed and yeah, like you say, he gets

431
00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:24.799
<v Speaker 2>him at this point to sort of open to forgive him.

432
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So we find out that he got this person

433
00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:31.799
<v Speaker 1>off with false evidence that he obtained but attained it

434
00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:36.480
<v Speaker 1>by moral means, and yeah, I was. I don't know.

435
00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I found it a bit strange that because he goes

436
00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:42.960
<v Speaker 1>about I let a guilty man walk free, like, but basically,

437
00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:44.279
<v Speaker 1>isn't that just his entire career?

438
00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:46.759
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, so why.

439
00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Is he particularly? I mean, I know the false evidence thing,

440
00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.440
<v Speaker 1>but it seems odd that he's emphasized that.

441
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's the first one. Mm so like everything

442
00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.440
<v Speaker 2>else that comes after, it doesn't really matter. He's already

443
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<v Speaker 2>done a massive crime.

444
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.519
<v Speaker 1>So mm hmm.

445
00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's the point when he sort of lost himself. Yeah,

446
00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:07.559
<v Speaker 2>that happens really nice.

447
00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is. He is.

448
00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Whether I believe what he's saying, I don't know. Part

449
00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:13.920
<v Speaker 2>of me was like, well, he's saying what Webster wants

450
00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:17.799
<v Speaker 2>him to say, Like whether he whether he genuinely thinks

451
00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.279
<v Speaker 2>that he forgives him, Yeah, is irrelevant.

452
00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing, because it doesn't matter at the

453
00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, he's being kind to a dying man.

454
00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.200
<v Speaker 2>True, I suppose, yeah, because.

455
00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.000
<v Speaker 1>It's nothing to do with urban so you know, it's

456
00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:32.240
<v Speaker 1>none of his business to forgive him for it. Really, No,

457
00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:35.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think no, But it's just he thinks this

458
00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:37.640
<v Speaker 1>man wants to hear that someone forgives him, so that's

459
00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:39.319
<v Speaker 1>what he gives him.

460
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, does it really matter whether he means it or not? Yeah? Yeah.

461
00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>But also this is a man who we find out

462
00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.759
<v Speaker 1>at the end has also done some bad things, and

463
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's putting his own experience on that of like,

464
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, forgiving yourself and trying to make amends.

465
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<v Speaker 2>He's just saying out loud what he's been saying in

466
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<v Speaker 2>his head.

467
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<v Speaker 1>M yeah, I love that about I don't suppose you've

468
00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.480
<v Speaker 1>seen Frozen. You're gonna make like Elsa and let it go.

469
00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Webster's like, oh yeah, I watch it every other night.

470
00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh Frozen two. That was the best one.

471
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I had to watch that with my little nieces last week.

472
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<v Speaker 1>All Frozen one or two two? Oh, okay, I've not

473
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:28.440
<v Speaker 1>seen the second one.

474
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:29.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not as good.

475
00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:32.079
<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't think it would be.

476
00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:34.799
<v Speaker 2>There's there's a damn that gets blown up, which feels

477
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:36.680
<v Speaker 2>like a massive infrastructure waste.

478
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.559
<v Speaker 1>I bet you're fun to watch these films. Well, that's

479
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.119
<v Speaker 1>a massive infrastructure waste.

480
00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they must have taken ages to take that thing.

481
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<v Speaker 2>And I was looking. Apparently there's a third one in

482
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<v Speaker 2>the works under forth. Oh really, and they're filming three

483
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<v Speaker 2>and four back to back, which.

484
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.640
<v Speaker 1>You say filming, Yeah, that's the thing.

485
00:23:58.640 --> 00:23:59.960
<v Speaker 2>They were like, this is the first time an anime

486
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.839
<v Speaker 2>thing has been done back to back, and it's like, well, yeah,

487
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 2>because is it any different to doing them one than

488
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.079
<v Speaker 2>the other? I don't really understand the benefit.

489
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:08.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, okay, no, not really.

490
00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, we've we've got that for the next however,

491
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>long amazing, I'll film them early while Adele Dozim can

492
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.200
<v Speaker 2>still sing before she invariably gets some sort of throat

493
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.079
<v Speaker 2>problem and suddenly can't do.

494
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<v Speaker 1>It any Yeah.

495
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:27.440
<v Speaker 2>But back in this world, yes, so is.

496
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<v Speaker 1>This when he gets the contract out? Yeah?

497
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.119
<v Speaker 2>With that opening his little little box? Yes, well, I

498
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:36.079
<v Speaker 2>thought when you said about a weight on his chest

499
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.279
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to reference because he has this

500
00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>key round his neck, doesn't he.

501
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's true. That's another thing.

502
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Is another layer on it, I guess, to open up

503
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:45.920
<v Speaker 2>this little box that we don't really see what it is.

504
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:47.519
<v Speaker 2>It's just see's a scroll of paper at this point,

505
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I think, and then the lights cut out.

506
00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, I wanted to bring something up, okay first, which

507
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.440
<v Speaker 1>is the get back to my anal dates again? Okay,

508
00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:59.119
<v Speaker 1>as we've we've discussed before.

509
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Having anal dates.

510
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>So he says, three score years ago, Yeah, I signed

511
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.039
<v Speaker 1>this contract, and if we assume it's twenty twenty one, whatever,

512
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>three score years is sixty years. Yeah, so that takes

513
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:22.559
<v Speaker 1>us back to the nineteen sixties, right, But the record

514
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:25.799
<v Speaker 1>book that he was looking through earlier that when it changed,

515
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>when his luck changed, was nineteen seventy two.

516
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.279
<v Speaker 2>It was. And that's my other quick question for next week.

517
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but yeah, is it just me or does

518
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that not tally is? Is that just a props person

519
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.680
<v Speaker 1>has not done the maths properly. Yeah, it should be

520
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:46.440
<v Speaker 1>in the sixties, shouldn't it when it changed?

521
00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, that would only make it fifty.

522
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Years, because he does say he does have a line

523
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:53.519
<v Speaker 1>later he says, I was one of the country's best

524
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.279
<v Speaker 1>criminal defense lawyers for fifty years.

525
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I.

526
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Think they've probably taken that line and assumed and worked

527
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<v Speaker 1>back from there, but not taken into a count the

528
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>fact that the length of time he has been retired.

529
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so yeah, yeah, that would make sense.

530
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Nothing gets past me apart from locations of hairs.

531
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I did think about looking at the dates, and then

532
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:19.039
<v Speaker 2>I was and then one of them worked, and I

533
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, well that works. Yeah, So so I

534
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.359
<v Speaker 2>didn't bother to question it any further. I think you

535
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:25.880
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to be able to say three score and

536
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>sound fancy. Yes, two and a half score doesn't sound

537
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 2>as that's good.

538
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 1>No, I just, I honestly just think that the props

539
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 1>people put the wrong dates in the thing that should

540
00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:37.440
<v Speaker 1>have been that should have been the sixties.

541
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.559
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well that's true. Yeah, never mind, too busy

542
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.799
<v Speaker 2>painting damn people on the walls. Mm hmm.

543
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 1>So yes, the lights go out, we get a power cut,

544
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 1>and the clocks strike midnight. It's very wonderfully ominous.

545
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he'll be here soon. Oh yes, So at what

546
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>point it you worked out what's going on? Oh?

547
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I hate when you ask me this because I can't remember,

548
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 1>because I know it wasn't that long ago that I

549
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>watched it for the first time, but I you know,

550
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.079
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what I was thinking. Yeah, I think

551
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 1>earlier than this point, i'd probably tweak to what was

552
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>probably going on. Yeah, but I can't remember exactly.

553
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Whenever you get a lawyer that can't lose, oh, yeah,

554
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 2>it's almost always this story, isn't it.

555
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Packed with the Devil.

556
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, which in a way is a bit of

557
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>a shame. I think that they went with quite a

558
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 2>cliched one, but I suppose it does work for the

559
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.720
<v Speaker 2>sort of second twist. Yeah, yeah, that's true that you

560
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>think you're ahead of the game.

561
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you never are with them, but that is

562
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 1>it's such a perfect kind of career to do that

563
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.319
<v Speaker 1>with as well, because it's like him being the kind

564
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of lawyer that he is that's getting guilty people off. Yeah,

565
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>as it were, It's it's like, it's quite a I

566
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to explain it, but you know, it's

567
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 1>quite a you're not really not exactly interested in justice

568
00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>or the truth. You're interested in making money and twisting

569
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the law basically. Yeah, So it's quite a sort of

570
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you obviously don't have any scruples anyway, yeah sort of thing.

571
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Urban goes and tries to fix the power

572
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 2>and can't really get it back on again. I guess

573
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:15.880
<v Speaker 2>he can't. I guess it's not that the powers off.

574
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:20.599
<v Speaker 2>As far as he can see, it looks fine, and

575
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the lift opens at this point, looking moody. We get

576
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Steve back again. Yeah, speaking in the dark, so we

577
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>get a bit of a chat about him being everywhere.

578
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that can't be everywhered once, but I try. Yeah,

579
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.599
<v Speaker 1>and it's again, it's very obvious by that point, isn't it.

580
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you might or probably have actually worked out

581
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 2>at this point there's some sort of deal with the

582
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.519
<v Speaker 2>devil situation going on here. Yeah, but what I think

583
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 2>is really clever is that it's Steve that is the

584
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Devil of Christ, masterively done. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the

585
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>first time I watched it, I've kind of forgotten he

586
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 2>was even a character in it. I think he only

587
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>got like two lines or something at the beginning, So

588
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 2>you've kind of forgotten that he's even that.

589
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing for me, I'm watching it, you think, well,

590
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.839
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't put Steve in a role so tiny as that,

591
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 1>what's the point of him being there?

592
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.240
<v Speaker 2>So, I mean there are some roles like that, I

593
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>guess I suppose. I mean, there's episodes without either of

594
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:10.839
<v Speaker 2>them even in it.

595
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>But then that's what I was thinking, like, if you

596
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>just you just not have him in it, then if

597
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.079
<v Speaker 1>it was going to be in a now I don't know.

598
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because the two episodes where one of the

599
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 2>meach isn't in it? Are only in the first two series?

600
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the first series, and then they said that people

601
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>were disappointed that they weren't both in it, so they

602
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.799
<v Speaker 1>decided they'd be exactly yeah. Yeah.

603
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, well, maybe they would just you know,

604
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.000
<v Speaker 2>shoehorn them in for like a line to keep them

605
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 2>in everyone.

606
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because apparently at one point they were considering Steve

607
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>playing Webster.

608
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, that would be the normal way of doing it,

609
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I think.

610
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I think he said it really needed someone

611
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>who you could believe was you could believe was that

612
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>close to death. And then he was like, not that

613
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Derek Jacoby is but.

614
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>What was this five years ago? Still going strong? Yeah,

615
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that would seem like the obvious take that

616
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 2>it would be him and Steve.

617
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

618
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 2>See, I'm glad that like this and Steve, you know.

619
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>He's so perfect. Now. I also want to say, like again, technicalities,

620
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>but okay, we say he's the devil, Well I don't

621
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>think he's the devil. Actually he's Mephistopheles, Isn't He's the

622
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>He's the agent of the devil, right?

623
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Is that is that the distinction? I don't I don't

624
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 2>know much about Mestopheles.

625
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I did Google just to double check. But yeah,

626
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>so they're not the same thing. Okay, but it's a

627
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.599
<v Speaker 1>bit like, you know, if the Devil materializes on Earth,

628
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>then Mephistopheles is the messenger.

629
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, like Metatron for God kind of thing. Another dote

630
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Jack could be character from Where was that good Omens?

631
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I think?

632
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, of course, yes, sorry.

633
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 2>I forgot about that, or Alan Rickman in Dogma.

634
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so yeah, maybeing picky again, but no, you might

635
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 1>as well say he's the devil because shorthand.

636
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>For tents and purposes. But yeah, yeah, fair point, fair point.

637
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 1>Fucking love that joke about mister Mestopheles.

638
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Such a serious moment as well.

639
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's so I can't I can't believe no

640
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 1>one's made that joke before. No, it's you, isn't it,

641
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.799
<v Speaker 1>mister Mustopheles. Oh no, that's cats.

642
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:19.119
<v Speaker 2>When they're really trying to play it as a serious moment,

643
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 2>and then he comes out with that it's genius.

644
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Also, when a long time ago, when I was a teenager,

645
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I helped out with this theater company and that one

646
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 1>of the first productions they did was Dr Faustus the

647
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Christopher Marlow play, so his version of the Faust legend,

648
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the pact with the Devil thing, and Mephistopheles is a

649
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.839
<v Speaker 1>character in that right. And then I remember we went

650
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>on to our next production and the lady who ran

651
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the company, I just remember her saying, oh, I had

652
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>a lovely email from Mephistopheles the other day, and it

653
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>just tickled me so much. That Mephistopheles communicates by email

654
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>now Memphistopheles at hell dot com kind regards, hope this

655
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 1>email finds you. Well.

656
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great line that just twigged for me

657
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.880
<v Speaker 2>on this viewing of When Urban asked whether the power

658
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>will be out of much longer and Steve replies with

659
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 2>will be in the dark a little while longer, Oh,

660
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>which I really like is like meta, Yes, you might

661
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 2>have worked out that the devil things happening, but there's

662
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>another twist coming that you'll be in the dark for

663
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>for a bit.

664
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Yet I felt like there was more to that line,

665
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, he looks so good

666
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.039
<v Speaker 1>with his little glasses on the end of his nose.

667
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>He does so sinister, he really does. Do you know

668
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 1>what it reminds me of? I don't know if this

669
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 1>is just to me like quite a niche thing, but

670
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 1>did you watch Tom and Jerry when you were a kid. Yes, yeah,

671
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>there's an episode of that that just sticks in my head.

672
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Where intentional hair. Oh shit, fuck, that's not our hair.

673
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, that's not the hair. I promise that's not

674
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:01.319
<v Speaker 1>the hair.

675
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>No.

676
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's an episode of that where I think Tom

677
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>dies or something. It goes up to heaven. I remember this,

678
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and then there's like this judgment of like, you've done this,

679
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>you've done that, and he goes all the way down

680
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to hell again and I don't know something about Steve

681
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 1>with those little glasses on the end of his nose

682
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and sort of the judgment and they're looking at files

683
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 1>and things. It just very much reminded me of that.

684
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can vividly remember that episode.

685
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, I know it's imprinted. It goes up a lift,

686
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't he like an elevator? Escalator?

687
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.920
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, clouds yeah yeah yeah.

688
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>And then he wakes up at the end and it

689
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>was all a dream something like that.

690
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

691
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Spoilers for Tom and Jerry.

692
00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Sixty years ago. Yeah, yeah, yes, Steve is some form

693
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>of devil. The Scream of Webster and the doors flying

694
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 2>open beautifully. Sh I love that. Yeah, do you find full?

695
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Little Jack could be standing there looking ultimate. Yeah. Now

696
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have to explain this next it to me

697
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>because I don't get it.

698
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll try.

699
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 2>So the devil wants Webster back. He's fulfilled his you

700
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 2>know deal, Webster's time to die, he can have his soul.

701
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 2>So Webster tries to pull some lawyership to swap in

702
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Urban through some blah blah legalies.

703
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it, No, it does. It feels a

704
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:25.639
<v Speaker 1>bit weird.

705
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I wish there was like when you heard it, it

706
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.199
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh that makes sense, Like what look what

707
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 2>he's just set up? But I don't feel like he

708
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.559
<v Speaker 2>set anything up. All he's done is gone. Well he's

709
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 2>a nicer guy than.

710
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Me, exactly.

711
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have him? Yeah, Like, well he could have done

712
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that with anyone, surely. Actually you just had to call

713
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 2>an uber uber eats over and have some nice guy

714
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>delivery his dinner and be like take him instead Uber souls. Yeah,

715
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll be like, you know this guy I know called

716
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 2>the Pope, have him. He's nice.

717
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, that's a very good point.

718
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't really see. It doesn't feel like urban

719
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 2>has done anything that would sort of have talked him

720
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.679
<v Speaker 2>into accepting his place. I can understand swapping him out

721
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.199
<v Speaker 2>feels fine if you can convince somehow the other person

722
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>to agree to it.

723
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's the thing, is that they would normally have

724
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 1>to agree, wasn't they.

725
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is what I was trying to say earlier,

726
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 2>wondering whether him getting his forgiveness was somehow part of it.

727
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.199
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think it is.

728
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so.

729
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Whether him forgiving him was sort of like doing something here,

730
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think.

731
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, now, yeah, maybe like now you've forgiven him, you've

732
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 1>sort of taken on that moral Yeah, something like that.

733
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, that's a bit a bit old,

734
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

735
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's something along the lines of first he says

736
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.039
<v Speaker 2>in English law. It's like, well, we're not dealing with

737
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 2>English law here.

738
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:48.599
<v Speaker 1>No metaphysical law.

739
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have a concept of substitution, which is just

740
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 2>swapping one thing for another thing. And I feel like

741
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I wanted a bit more of a blah blah blahlah

742
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>blah lawyered thing, like saying a load of things that

743
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:02.719
<v Speaker 2>made it make sense.

744
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that's a very good point, hadn't I just

745
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of went with it because it just sort of

746
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 1>he sounded authoritative and just made itative voice.

747
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't say authoritative.

748
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's just a fluff for it, isn't

749
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>it then? Yeah, but it's just tempting him as like

750
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.719
<v Speaker 1>this man's right here, and his kind soul would burn

751
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.719
<v Speaker 1>much more brightly than my own. That's that's how they

752
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 1>sell it.

753
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>But I either thought the devil or whoever he is,

754
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 2>would be you know a little bit more astiiculer for

755
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 2>the rules.

756
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because surely he can't just take someone's soul if

757
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:42.199
<v Speaker 1>they haven't agreed to read it.

758
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Like, what's it stop him just wandering down the street

759
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:44.719
<v Speaker 2>and picking up anyone?

760
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if he really is such a kind man, then

761
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.760
<v Speaker 1>he'd have no reason to.

762
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I kind of would have preferred it be

763
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 2>because there's this thing of you know, you've got this

764
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>lawyer that suddenly can't lose. Going up against the devil

765
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>would have been really interesting if he'd out lawyered the

766
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 2>devil kind of thing. Oh yeah, it would have been interesting. Yeah,

767
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, in a bit, a bit like the

768
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>joke of the genie that gives you three wishes, and

769
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>your first wishes never be wrong. Oh yes, and then

770
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you've got infinite wishes.

771
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

772
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, if he tricks something, it's you know,

773
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 2>it's a bit doctory of like trick them in, you know,

774
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>with clever words, but level of with the extra level

775
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>of he's a lawyer that's been given these powers by

776
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the devil and using them against the devil.

777
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would have been really good. Actually yeah yeah, and.

778
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>He sort of has, but not in a way that

779
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>really makes any sense.

780
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 1>No, mister, load of l fluff.

781
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but either way.

782
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't work anyway.

783
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he signs signs himself a new contract. Yeah,

784
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and the devil marches off Urban into the lift, who

785
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really seem to protest any of this, and he

786
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>just sort of like, oh, I don't know, and just

787
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 2>wanders into the lift. But yeah, second twist, Urbans not

788
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>such an guy. So he was the bully. He murdered

789
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>the guy with the orange satsuma tangerine pick a fruit.

790
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Again another problem I have. I don't like having problems. Yeah,

791
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 2>so why the devil suddenly knows He seems to know

792
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>everything as soon as a character wants you to know it, Yeah,

793
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 2>which is maybe how it works. I don't know.

794
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I felt that maybe, you know, Urban

795
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.320
<v Speaker 1>was suddenly thinking about that, and he was right next

796
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to him and sort of just picked up on it.

797
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I guess mentally, Yeah, might not well go with

798
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that because he should have access to all that information. Yeah,

799
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 1>but as he said, he can't be everywhere at the

800
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>same time, so he just kind of overlooked it, I

801
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 1>suppose until that moment.

802
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, are we also arguing here that a bad

803
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>child doing something awful, Yeah, is worse than a grown

804
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 2>adult knowingly letting off a lot of murderers. That is

805
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.519
<v Speaker 2>a good point fifty sixty however many years.

806
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I was also going to say, I don't

807
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>like how it says that, you know, people can't change

808
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.559
<v Speaker 1>and reform and get better, and you know, it's like

809
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>once you've done I know, obviously killing someone is terrible,

810
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 1>but does.

811
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>That mean your mark for life now?

812
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially when like you say, he was a child

813
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and he has he's he's done so much good since

814
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 1>then trying to make up for it, and he's punishing

815
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 1>himself the whole time.

816
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can understand it from a theological point of view, Yes,

817
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 2>he's broken one of the ten commandments, he will go

818
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 2>to hell. But if you weigh them both against each other,

819
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I still think that Webster is probably worse.

820
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, because.

821
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Either way, both of them are broken commandments, like Webster's bar,

822
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.599
<v Speaker 2>false witness and all this sort of stuff. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,

823
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure on all that.

824
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I just I'm just I've never been very keen on

825
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 1>this whole, very black and white thing of theology.

826
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, however, Urban Webster makes the point of you never

827
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 2>even swear. He does when he's out of shot of.

828
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the trying to switch the lights on.

829
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe maybe he isn't that good a guy.

830
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but swearing doesn't make your bad.

831
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Well I know, but I mean, but maybe he's just

832
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 2>putting on a front for Webster.

833
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 1>He does say that, doesn't he says, Oh, it's all

834
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a front. I just you know, he is.

835
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he is. Maybe he does go and kick poppies

836
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.159
<v Speaker 2>on a night, like when he's not there.

837
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:19.639
<v Speaker 1>I I don't read it like that. I read it

838
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 1>that I think he's making himself seem even nicer in

839
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 1>front of Webster because he's a dying old man and

840
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 1>he thinks he's a sweet old man and he's trying

841
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 1>to make him feel comfortable. Yeah, and you know, there's

842
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 1>no reason why under your breath in front of nobody

843
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:39.320
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't swear. But yeah, I do genuinely think he's

844
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>he's atoned and tried to do good for the rest

845
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:44.679
<v Speaker 1>of his life, and he is a nice person. But

846
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.199
<v Speaker 1>it's just the way that this, the way that this

847
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.719
<v Speaker 1>is framed in this metaphysics, is that you've done that.

848
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Terrible thing, So it doesn't matter what you do.

849
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter what you do after that. You might

850
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.280
<v Speaker 1>as well. He might as well have been an asshole

851
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 1>on a shithead.

852
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 2>You murder one, you might as well have murdered a thousand, exactly.

853
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But just because they put that in the episode

854
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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that they're saying that's the case. It's just

855
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 1>one one view of.

856
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.559
<v Speaker 2>The world, and religion is kind of cut and dry

857
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 2>on these things a lot of the time.

858
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's not go there.

859
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>No, probably not.

860
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 1>So, Yeah, so they swap it's what places in a

861
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 1>fantastic little cut. That is great.

862
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to know if that is in camera, Yeah,

863
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 2>because I reckon it could have been. Yeah, because you

864
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>only see the back of urban, so that easily could

865
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 2>be a double. You do see Webster in the distance,

866
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.400
<v Speaker 2>but then the door goes in front of him, and

867
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I easily Steve could have just been crouched behind the

868
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>table and just stood up, So I reckon it probably

869
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:45.679
<v Speaker 2>was done in camera.

870
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

871
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:48.880
<v Speaker 2>It's just such so nicely with the with the sound

872
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Speaker 2>effects and everything and the music.

873
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh god, yeah the music is great.

874
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 2>At this point, Queu going on about music, but well.

875
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything to say. It's great.

876
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:05.400
<v Speaker 2>It's really goes and yeah, Webster gets is just asserts.

877
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 1>If he descends into hell very very.

878
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Quickly, in a way that almost takes me out of it.

879
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.039
<v Speaker 2>It's almost comical.

880
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 1>It is comical. The kind of cgi or compositive or

881
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of that lift is very sort of like it's an

882
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 1>interesting choice PowerPoint animation, like.

883
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think kind of just had it go really

884
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:29.920
<v Speaker 2>slowly down, Oh yeah, cool, and just have Webster begging

885
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and just getting more and more deranged, and then it

886
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 2>just disappears out of you, and then you maybe you

887
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>hear it thundering down and flames or something. I don't know,

888
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.239
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it just really takes me out of it

889
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:44.760
<v Speaker 2>that it's so clearly cgi it is. Yeah. Yeah, I've

890
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 2>also glossed over the fact that how much Steve looks

891
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 2>like Uncle Harvey to me. Oh, I don't know what

892
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 2>it is, but there's something.

893
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 1>In this house we do not murder people.

894
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. If it's something he's got going

895
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>on with his lips, I'm not.

896
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Sure, but yeah, yeah, interesting one. Yeah, I think for me,

897
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Derek Jacoby elevates it. If he was, it would be

898
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot lower.

899
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I agree. Yeah, I think what it's trying to do,

900
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 2>I really like. I think. I think he's got a

901
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.679
<v Speaker 2>clever premise. But sadly for that, I don't really think

902
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 2>they quite went as far as they maybe could have

903
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 2>done with it. Mm, which is strange to me to

904
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:33.199
<v Speaker 2>say about them. The premise is there, Yeah, I think

905
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 2>could have done with maybe a little bit more tinkering.

906
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 1>What are you going to rate?

907
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>It sounds really cruel, but I'm thinking of four I.

908
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Was thinking exactly the same. Yeah, I don't think that's cruel.

909
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair.

910
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, again, in the obligatory none of them are bad

911
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:51.400
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah exactly.

912
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just in comparison and it's just how you

913
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>feel at the time. Yeah, I'm happy with that, I

914
00:43:58.880 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>think both of us saying a four.

915
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's fair. Yeah. Cool. Well, big question. Did you

916
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:06.559
<v Speaker 2>spot the hair?

917
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Nope, I've got Scooby.

918
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:12.079
<v Speaker 2>I didn't either. Oh okay, I had to look it up,

919
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 2>and I knew when I looked it up where it

920
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 2>would be. Well, not where it would be, but I

921
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.119
<v Speaker 2>was like, it's in a room that is so full

922
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.360
<v Speaker 2>of shit that it could be absolutely anywhere. And usually

923
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>when that's the case, they actually make it really obvious. Right,

924
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 2>So when it's really easy to hide, they tend not

925
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 2>to and this one is a very obvious one if

926
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:31.760
<v Speaker 2>you know to look for it.

927
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

928
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:34.760
<v Speaker 2>So it's when he goes into the wardrobe to get

929
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 2>the wig box. It's silhouetted right in the forefront, like

930
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 2>right next to the wig box. Oh okay, really big,

931
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 2>it's like half the screen. Wow, it's only for free seconds.

932
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's very obvious if you if you know

933
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 2>where it is and you're looking for it. Cool. Yeah.

934
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:53.280
<v Speaker 1>So we're at that time of the episode where I

935
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.079
<v Speaker 1>like to read out a message or a comment that

936
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>we've had. Yeah, one that caught my eye today was

937
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>one that we've had from Nathan on the Steakout episode, says,

938
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 1>I love the commentary by you both. Feels like being

939
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>in conversation with friends. Ps. I said three pounds too.

940
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>At the same time that was in the quiz for

941
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Marian's cardigan. I saw four pounds and it was only

942
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:18.239
<v Speaker 1>thirty p so I'm not the only one.

943
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know there's a north south divide and

944
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.280
<v Speaker 2>how much we'd spend on these things, but the inflation

945
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 2>to the south is not worth three.

946
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Pounds when she's been dead in it in a bar

947
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.239
<v Speaker 1>and it was wasn't particularly nice anyway, I got thirty

948
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.159
<v Speaker 1>p So yeah, do keep the comments coming in because

949
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 1>it's always nice to see.

950
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lovely, thanks Nathan.

951
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're back next.

952
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Week finally time. It is last night of the Problems

953
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:46.559
<v Speaker 2>next week.

954
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 1>And a quiz and a quiz stay tuned for me

955
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:56.519
<v Speaker 1>to lose again. One of our listeners. Yeah, one of

956
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>our listeners messaged me and they were like, I didn't

957
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>even realize you did quiz at the end of the episode,

958
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the end of the series, because they've obviously been turning

959
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:10.039
<v Speaker 1>off before the ends. Oh no Ah caught you. So yes,

960
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:11.920
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't heard any of a quizz, go back

961
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and listen because they's a lot of fun.

962
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I win every week.

963
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, clearly.

964
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I have points to make up. There are still theories

965
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Speaker 2>to go.

966
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But on that note, is it time to close

967
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the lift door on number nine?

968
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it is. But if you've signed a deal

969
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:33.760
<v Speaker 2>with the devil, you never really leave, do you.

970
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to the Ninth Degree. If you'd like

971
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.159
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972
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.679
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973
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.000
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974
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.280
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975
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