Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. And I'm Stephen, and.
Speaker 2: This is a podcast all about the weird and wonderful
Speaker 2: world of the Dark comedy anthology series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheresmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
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Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm all right, tic tic, taking.
Speaker 2: Along another week in the dream Factory, absolutely not giving
Speaker 2: up to anything exciting. Hmm.
Speaker 1: I'm dredging my memory now to thank you, but not really. No, sadly,
Speaker 1: how about you.
Speaker 2: I had a fun morning of three back to back
Speaker 2: e learnings that I've been putting off.
Speaker 1: Oh fun.
Speaker 2: That outlook just kept pinging me with reminders from the
Speaker 2: like learning Portal thing, one of which was for stress,
Speaker 2: which didn't feel very When you start getting messages of
Speaker 2: your manager will be informed if you've not done this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's about stress. Yeah, the irony was not lost. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then I finished all those and then a fourth
Speaker 2: one popped up and I'm like, off, go away, leave
Speaker 2: me alone. Yeah, that sent my colleague that meme with
Speaker 2: the old lady going another one I.
Speaker 1: Can't keep up. Yeah, I always find it quite funny
Speaker 1: how like everyone's so into mental health these days and
Speaker 1: it being like a hot topic, and like managers set
Speaker 1: you trainings about stress and stuff, and that's like, that's
Speaker 1: that they've done their bit. They don't have to worry
Speaker 1: about how they're treating you in the job and everything. Yep,
Speaker 1: they've given you an e learning course.
Speaker 2: So that's that, Like boxes are being ticked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, last week's hair was an interesting one. It
Speaker 1: was we might have to play this one a couple
Speaker 1: of times, so yeah, let's listen back to it. So,
Speaker 1: like just watching this scene, just like all I can
Speaker 1: think is just I just remember Nick Clift in his
Speaker 1: dressing room, dressing gown. Sorry, I just remember Nick Clift
Speaker 1: in his dressing room. But Nicklift in his dressing room.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: So if you couldn't quite make that out, it was
Speaker 1: Bernie Clifton's dressing room.
Speaker 2: Genuinely very impressed, thank you.
Speaker 1: That was one we were thinking, how the hell are
Speaker 1: we going to get that in?
Speaker 2: It's one of about five, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: One down? Yes, well done, very well done.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Listen out for another one this week.
Speaker 2: Indeed, as we discuss how do you plead? Series six,
Speaker 2: Episode five, plot summary, you've got this week is Webster
Speaker 2: the Famous I was gonna say Barister, the famous Barrister.
Speaker 2: Webster the Famous Barrister is not well and not an
Speaker 2: easy man to look after his care Urban knows how
Speaker 2: to take the rough with the smooth, dishing out the drugs,
Speaker 2: or appealing to the old man's vanity. But on this
Speaker 2: particular night, something is coming that will test Webster's resolve
Speaker 2: and his legal skills to the very end.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Thought it's okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, roll the credits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think?
Speaker 2: I enjoy it? Yeah? I think Jacoby does a fantastic job.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's always good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Characters are great. Is it the best twist in the
Speaker 2: world in a way, No, but not really certain elements
Speaker 2: of it I really like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that the one person they could break their
Speaker 1: rule for was Derek Jacoby, which is totally understandable.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, don't they argue something like he's not been
Speaker 2: physically on the Yeah, they can argue it with it
Speaker 2: sound alike in the last one, if you really want
Speaker 2: to push it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was maca packer from in the night. What.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was him until very recently. That
Speaker 2: was so weird.
Speaker 1: He's got such a wonderful voice, such a musical voice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's one line he's got that just keeps going through
Speaker 1: my head. Later on in the episode, when Urban wakes
Speaker 1: up and he just goes, I thought it was me
Speaker 1: that needed sleep. It's so wonderful.
Speaker 2: Where do we start. We're in a lyft.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, does any lift in this day and
Speaker 1: age actually have an attendant?
Speaker 2: A little? Yeah, I know, because I feel like I
Speaker 2: don't want to be old. Robots are stealing my jobs.
Speaker 2: But a button, I don't really feel you need someone
Speaker 2: to press a button for you.
Speaker 1: No, Although I suppose it's a luxury thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's a bit like, oh, we're so fancy we have
Speaker 1: a person who does it for you, like having a
Speaker 1: doorman or something, I guess.
Speaker 2: But again, the robots replacing your jobs thing. I understand
Speaker 2: why it's good to keep people doing jobs and stuff.
Speaker 2: Equally a job where you literally sit in a box
Speaker 2: all day, especially for an old man that probably doesn't leave.
Speaker 2: You're sitting there to press a button twice a day
Speaker 2: to let his doctrine and out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like give give the give.
Speaker 2: A robot that job. Yes, it almost started at this.
Speaker 2: When I watched that, I was wondering whether it was
Speaker 2: a period episode to start with. Oh, yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was going to be sett in like the nineteen twenties
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, but judging by Reese's costume, I'm guessing
Speaker 2: well no, And it did talk about dates and don't
Speaker 2: they So yeah, it definitely is modern day. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: found that a little bit strange. It is a little
Speaker 2: bit necessary for later, but yeah, a bit strange.
Speaker 1: I guess I've just not been in push enough buildings.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, are we just is it not even a
Speaker 2: case if you have to suspend his belief? Maybe that
Speaker 2: literally does just happen.
Speaker 1: Still, That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, I've not come across it,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 2: No, we're not in the right tax bracket by a
Speaker 2: long way to know the answer to these questions. Right in,
Speaker 2: if you have a man that lives in your lift.
Speaker 2: Do you know about it?
Speaker 1: Yes, and he's meant to be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not in the wall situation.
Speaker 1: Did you like the murals on the wall when you
Speaker 1: get outside the lift.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they spotted them before or tormented
Speaker 2: souls around the lift.
Speaker 1: They like lacing in their little hints, and.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of them in this one as well,
Speaker 2: if you really listen out for them. It's a bit
Speaker 2: of steak out style, so many little sayings and things
Speaker 2: that mean something.
Speaker 1: M so Reese's character whose name is Urban Bedford. Yes,
Speaker 1: I always think sounds like a coffee table book, like
Speaker 1: Urban Bedford as seen from the Sky or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a very strange name.
Speaker 2: It is a weird name. I assumed it was going
Speaker 2: to have been a character in a bit, like you know,
Speaker 2: Varney character or whatever. Like I kind of figured that
Speaker 2: that was maybe something, but not that I've been able
Speaker 2: to find.
Speaker 1: Apparently it is very slightly who Okay, both Webster and
Speaker 1: Urban I did.
Speaker 2: Find Webster, yes, yeah, from a nineteen thirty six book,
Speaker 2: The Devil and Daniel Webster.
Speaker 1: That's it, and was also made into a film a film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that one. And apparently Urban is named after
Speaker 1: someone called Urbane who was a real historical persona a
Speaker 1: priest or something who potentially was accused of doing deals
Speaker 1: with the devil or something.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I was googling the full name and not
Speaker 2: getting anything. Yeah, yeah, that might have been why I
Speaker 2: just got lots of houses in center of Bedford exactly.
Speaker 1: It's funny name, isn't it. And his cousin Rural. I
Speaker 1: couldn't think of an ending to that.
Speaker 2: And the random Kurt for no real is it Kurt?
Speaker 1: It is Kurt?
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't really know what he adds massively.
Speaker 1: I'm a bit confused because he's not a doctor, is he?
Speaker 2: No? I think?
Speaker 1: So what is he?
Speaker 2: To Webster? That's sort of maybe his like butler or
Speaker 2: like secretary or something.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he pa or something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, man servant or whatever you yeah, go back in
Speaker 2: olden times, say, I don't know what the equivalent nowadays is.
Speaker 2: They don't have them because it's probably illegal. But I
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, PA type thing, I guess, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure his role adds other than a
Speaker 2: bit of comedy.
Speaker 1: M a bit of setting him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it gives you a chance to talk
Speaker 2: to Urban, not around Webster. Yeah, because he does change
Speaker 2: a bit. He's a lot more flowery when he's when
Speaker 2: he's talking to Webster.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and a lot camper.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess it's it's showing that the Urban
Speaker 2: has two sides to him in a way. I guess maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I kind of expected he was going to come back
Speaker 2: in some way. But oh, Kurt, Yeah, but that's him done.
Speaker 1: That's him done. Yeah, Kurt, we hardly need so bit
Speaker 1: of background then, So is it do we find out
Speaker 1: his name is? Is Derek Webster?
Speaker 2: We don't Webster, it's just Webster. He does get a
Speaker 2: d Webster, yeah, which I guess is the Daniel bit
Speaker 2: from there.
Speaker 1: Yes, I suppose, yeah, not to that still, I think
Speaker 1: I was thinking Derek because Derek Jackoby. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: he is a former extremely high flying lawyer and is
Speaker 1: his birthday party. It's been his birthday party, and he's
Speaker 1: dying basically he's impalliative care yep. And so yeah, Reese
Speaker 1: is his nurse.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've just noticed though that this this is the
Speaker 2: presumably the penthouse suite of this building that seems to
Speaker 2: only be a little anti room in a bedroom mm,
Speaker 2: I can't. There's no real there's a little blass roomy
Speaker 2: type area.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: You'd think a penthouse would be bigger, he would, or
Speaker 2: at least have big doors off to other rooms.
Speaker 1: Yes, apparently they repurpose the set from Simon says, which
Speaker 1: you can't tell that at all. Doesn't look anything like it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 2: I can't even work out which orientation is No. No,
Speaker 2: well done, well done set people. Yes it is a
Speaker 2: cool set though lovely. There's a lot going on in it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like so much design work's gone on with all. It
Speaker 2: feels really lived in m hm, like an anti shop
Speaker 2: mm hmm, which is why things like the tormented souls
Speaker 2: around the lift don't really stand out exactly fit perfectly.
Speaker 1: You just over them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Webster is not a happy man. He's shouting
Speaker 2: and screaming and swearing left, right and center. He's very
Speaker 2: glad that his birthday guests have gone. Does not seem
Speaker 2: to be having a good day. No, so Race has
Speaker 2: turned up, got called in. He's only been there at
Speaker 2: lunch time, but he's back again to miss his plans
Speaker 2: to see his friend Dolly at the Is it the
Speaker 2: albut Hall.
Speaker 1: I think yes, BBC Concert Orchestra, she plays the clarinet.
Speaker 2: She does. I have to edit my question for Netflix episode.
Speaker 1: I mean what what what does she play? I don't know.
Speaker 2: And then so we get this interesting, weird relationship between
Speaker 2: the two where they kind of sort of hate each
Speaker 2: other and sort of seem to like each other at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice, quite nice love hate thing. Yeah, bickering,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. And yeah, Reese is
Speaker 1: really camping up, very funny.
Speaker 2: He almost became a bit moreene. I thought the voice
Speaker 2: is almost like that.
Speaker 1: He even says the word protocol at one point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he seems like such a sort of sweet,
Speaker 1: harmless character.
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, we should know about that means nothing. Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also thought, weirdly, when he's saying goodbye to Kurt,
Speaker 1: I thought he for a second sounded like Alan Bennett
Speaker 1: when he went loved to Janine in that this. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a nice character and they've got you know, I
Speaker 1: like the way they build up character by sort of
Speaker 1: referencing things that Webster's noticed about him, Like he says,
Speaker 1: you don't even swear, do you? And it's like I happen.
Speaker 1: No one to blurnt out fiddlesticks in moments of crisis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like a little married couple, like bickering
Speaker 2: away and making jokes and like the one about are
Speaker 2: you mad because your antique road show whatever it was
Speaker 2: and three people been on you. Yeah, all Webster wants
Speaker 2: is drugs. He is not a happy man, but Urban
Speaker 2: won't give him any because he might overdose him, but
Speaker 2: manages to apply a story out of him with the
Speaker 2: promise of half a fentanyl. So, like you said, Webster's
Speaker 2: like this high flying lawyer that can't lose but has
Speaker 2: now got ill, and Urban wants a bit of wants
Speaker 2: to see what he was like, gets him to talk
Speaker 2: him through a case, how he would have how he
Speaker 2: would have solved it. I really enjoyed these kind of
Speaker 2: things that they do in films. I don't really know how,
Speaker 2: Like I like that he's sort of explaining, you know,
Speaker 2: what you would have done to get him off and
Speaker 2: all that kind of and how all sorts of works,
Speaker 2: but half it doesn't. And it really bugs me that
Speaker 2: he never explains how we'd have got out of shooting
Speaker 2: this guy's wife in the face. He just explains why
Speaker 2: he waved his gun around, why he tied her up
Speaker 2: and drove her away.
Speaker 1: Oh does he not? Does he not cover the.
Speaker 2: No? And it really bugs me, And I'd not noticed
Speaker 2: it until this time that he never covers that. So
Speaker 2: I just glossed over the entire story here, But.
Speaker 1: You glossed over the precius staughter xylophone, xylophone.
Speaker 2: How could I miss xylophone?
Speaker 1: I was thinking it should be pronounced a xylophony.
Speaker 2: That's what she goes by at school when she when
Speaker 2: she went to a Cambridge, she went by that.
Speaker 1: And the fact that he says about you know, my
Speaker 1: ex wife and his reaction of wife. His story is
Speaker 1: already stretching.
Speaker 2: We love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that hadn't occurred to me that he doesn't
Speaker 1: mention about the shooting.
Speaker 2: He produced his gun to get custody of xylophone, and
Speaker 2: he's driven, he tied her up, driven her away to
Speaker 2: their country.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Shack cabin or whatever. And when she said no, he
Speaker 2: shot her in the face. And yeah, he explains that
Speaker 2: he was cleaning.
Speaker 1: Explain what the witnesses saw. But then you can't explain
Speaker 1: why she's now dead, dead and got a massive hole
Speaker 1: in her face.
Speaker 2: Which, like I say, I think would be the more
Speaker 2: important part of the trial. Obviously kidnapped bad, but murders
Speaker 2: I would say worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I suppose if there's no witnesses at the cabin,
Speaker 1: then you can't prove that.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's not as good as
Speaker 1: we thought.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe he just got he's not feeling well. Maybe
Speaker 2: he forgot that, yeah, exactly. Yes, So now we get
Speaker 2: the bit of him wanting so Webster very much wants
Speaker 2: to see his old files. I don't quite understand this.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm missing something. Why is he so insistent on
Speaker 2: seeing these files? And what's because he makes out like
Speaker 2: he's forgotten everything?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think isn't the idea that because he wants
Speaker 1: to manipulate well, yeah, urban into into forgiving him, So
Speaker 1: he's sort of setting up this situation where he finds out, yeah,
Speaker 1: rather than just killing him.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm you know, I can't really push it
Speaker 2: too much out, jumping straight to the end. But I
Speaker 2: don't really understand what the forgiving him bit does.
Speaker 1: I think it emphasizes what a kind soul he supposedly is.
Speaker 1: I suppose which is important to him. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what that's for.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't really know whether Webster really was genuinely
Speaker 2: forgetting or whether it was just a big ploy, But.
Speaker 1: Now I read it as that it was deliberate.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he just wanted to, like, you know,
Speaker 1: get some some kind of solid proof that, yeah, he
Speaker 1: really is he's such a good man.
Speaker 2: He gives me that, right, So that doesn't actually play
Speaker 2: into the later bit. It just proves that he's a
Speaker 2: good person, right, Okay, now I can buy that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so he wants his stuff out of there. He wants
Speaker 2: his old files, but they're locked away and you can't
Speaker 2: with the keys, so she immediately jumps to destroy the dresser. Yeah, okay, fine.
Speaker 1: Reese's character is so well written, the way he responds
Speaker 1: to everything before we get all the world's strongest man.
Speaker 2: Back in his days when he was a barista.
Speaker 1: And then you know, he goes and digs out his
Speaker 1: frocks and that line when he says, what made you
Speaker 1: want to be a barrister in the first place? Was
Speaker 1: it this costume? And be honest?
Speaker 2: And I've just got a joke about dogs trust and
Speaker 2: I can't remember why that's here in my note.
Speaker 1: Oh he's saying, you wouldn't have got rid of them,
Speaker 1: you definitely still have them. You wouldn't have given them
Speaker 1: to dogs trust.
Speaker 2: That was it. So I was like the shout out
Speaker 2: for potentially Woodgreens dog trust.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and now we get a nice little bit
Speaker 2: from and talking about his past and how he doesn't
Speaker 2: really he doesn't like filing cabinet. Why does he say
Speaker 2: filing I guess its because these files are in there.
Speaker 2: They are a filing cabinet on the because they're remind
Speaker 2: him of school. Yeah, and that's to tell the whole
Speaker 2: story about how he saw someone choke to death on
Speaker 2: a satsuma tangerine anderine who was the school bully, and
Speaker 2: how people just stood around and no one helped to
Speaker 2: just date the crisps mhm, and how it's really stuck
Speaker 2: with him, and how he tried to help but by
Speaker 2: sticking his fingers down this guy's throat, which he really
Speaker 2: cringes that now because it's not protocol er. Yes, and yeah,
Speaker 2: nothing really happened because of it. He just ended up
Speaker 2: making crumble and forget hurrying on with her day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So first thing to mention about that is that,
Speaker 1: according to Reese, that is based on a real experience
Speaker 1: of his. Oh wow, okay, although the person thankfully didn't die, right,
Speaker 1: he managed to dislodge it, but it was one of
Speaker 1: those moments where it could have gone either way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you know he used it for this. But
Speaker 1: also this is it just me? But this this concept
Speaker 1: of a school bully, as if there's one person who
Speaker 1: is known as the school bully. Yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't find that very realistic. Like it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a cliche, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, we had many exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they don't think of themselves as bullies. They
Speaker 1: just they're just people and they are our soholes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and hopefully now they're in prison hopefully. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just I just found that a bit like,
Speaker 1: oh God, like you know, yeah, it's like we're in
Speaker 1: an Enid Blyton book or something.
Speaker 2: True. Maybe it was a small school. There's only twelve
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So love when he calls out Hetty Wayne through Investigates.
Speaker 2: I loved Testy Wayne through Investigates back in the day.
Speaker 1: So I've never watched it. You know, I should have
Speaker 1: because your outledge. Yeah, but no, I've never got round
Speaker 1: that it was a good one.
Speaker 2: I don't really remember anything about it other than her
Speaker 2: and what's his face from Lord of the Rings, Oh, Dominic,
Speaker 2: what's he called? He's either Merry up ip In, I
Speaker 2: can't remember which, it was like one of his first roles,
Speaker 2: and he's like her little assistant. Okay, and it's them
Speaker 2: two solving crimes.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: I want to say, somewhere like Whitby or something. It's
Speaker 2: like I think I think it's a coastal northern he
Speaker 2: sort of place. But yes, her just running around solving
Speaker 2: very small little crimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I've seen clips of her
Speaker 1: sort of squinting like suspiciously.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a hairpin out of the old wigs
Speaker 2: and masterfully opens the filing cabinet. You know, total skills
Speaker 2: that normal people have.
Speaker 1: But I love that he even calls it out, like
Speaker 1: like in the films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so Urban's broke in, got these files
Speaker 2: and having to read through and he's finding out that
Speaker 2: at some point he's gone from every client to Websters
Speaker 2: has been found guilty until at some point it switched,
Speaker 2: it all started changing every single one after is found
Speaker 2: not guilty.
Speaker 1: Yes, I liked how you know he's been going on
Speaker 1: about oh there's I've got a weight of weight that
Speaker 1: I need to get off my chest and then the
Speaker 1: client's called a weight.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nice clicked for me. So creepy point. Urban
Speaker 2: has a scary dream. We don't know the dream.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. But when he goes up to
Speaker 1: the chair and the guy's choking in the chair. When
Speaker 1: you see him like the side profile, I always think
Speaker 1: it's Steve, me too, it's not just me. And then
Speaker 1: he turns around and it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not you. But yeah, yeah I did the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just me.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, yeah, we're just instinctively anti more Steve, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we get sort of a nightmare version of
Speaker 2: what he of him recalling this event of this body
Speaker 2: suffocating and it's chewing orange juice all over him.
Speaker 1: Lovely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all a dream, it's all good. Wakes up
Speaker 2: in Webster's bed and yeah, like you say, he gets
Speaker 2: him at this point to sort of open to forgive him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we find out that he got this person
Speaker 1: off with false evidence that he obtained but attained it
Speaker 1: by moral means, and yeah, I was. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I found it a bit strange that because he goes
Speaker 1: about I let a guilty man walk free, like, but basically,
Speaker 1: isn't that just his entire career?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so why.
Speaker 1: Is he particularly? I mean, I know the false evidence thing,
Speaker 1: but it seems odd that he's emphasized that.
Speaker 2: I guess it's the first one. Mm so like everything
Speaker 2: else that comes after, it doesn't really matter. He's already
Speaker 2: done a massive crime.
Speaker 1: So mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the point when he sort of lost himself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that happens really nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is. He is.
Speaker 2: Whether I believe what he's saying, I don't know. Part
Speaker 2: of me was like, well, he's saying what Webster wants
Speaker 2: him to say, Like whether he whether he genuinely thinks
Speaker 2: that he forgives him, Yeah, is irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, because it doesn't matter at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, he's being kind to a dying man.
Speaker 2: True, I suppose, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with urban so you know, it's
Speaker 1: none of his business to forgive him for it. Really, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think no, But it's just he thinks this
Speaker 1: man wants to hear that someone forgives him, so that's
Speaker 1: what he gives him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does it really matter whether he means it or not? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also this is a man who we find out
Speaker 1: at the end has also done some bad things, and
Speaker 1: maybe he's putting his own experience on that of like,
Speaker 1: you know, forgiving yourself and trying to make amends.
Speaker 2: He's just saying out loud what he's been saying in
Speaker 2: his head.
Speaker 1: M yeah, I love that about I don't suppose you've
Speaker 1: seen Frozen. You're gonna make like Elsa and let it go.
Speaker 2: Webster's like, oh yeah, I watch it every other night.
Speaker 1: Oh Frozen two. That was the best one.
Speaker 2: I had to watch that with my little nieces last week.
Speaker 1: All Frozen one or two two? Oh, okay, I've not
Speaker 1: seen the second one.
Speaker 2: It's not as good.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't think it would be.
Speaker 2: There's there's a damn that gets blown up, which feels
Speaker 2: like a massive infrastructure waste.
Speaker 1: I bet you're fun to watch these films. Well, that's
Speaker 1: a massive infrastructure waste.
Speaker 2: I mean, they must have taken ages to take that thing.
Speaker 2: And I was looking. Apparently there's a third one in
Speaker 2: the works under forth. Oh really, and they're filming three
Speaker 2: and four back to back, which.
Speaker 1: You say filming, Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: They were like, this is the first time an anime
Speaker 2: thing has been done back to back, and it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: because is it any different to doing them one than
Speaker 2: the other? I don't really understand the benefit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, no, not really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we've we've got that for the next however,
Speaker 2: long amazing, I'll film them early while Adele Dozim can
Speaker 2: still sing before she invariably gets some sort of throat
Speaker 2: problem and suddenly can't do.
Speaker 1: It any Yeah.
Speaker 2: But back in this world, yes, so is.
Speaker 1: This when he gets the contract out? Yeah?
Speaker 2: With that opening his little little box? Yes, well, I
Speaker 2: thought when you said about a weight on his chest
Speaker 2: that he was going to reference because he has this
Speaker 2: key round his neck, doesn't he.
Speaker 1: Oh that's true. That's another thing.
Speaker 2: Is another layer on it, I guess, to open up
Speaker 2: this little box that we don't really see what it is.
Speaker 2: It's just see's a scroll of paper at this point,
Speaker 2: I think, and then the lights cut out.
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to bring something up, okay first, which
Speaker 1: is the get back to my anal dates again? Okay,
Speaker 1: as we've we've discussed before.
Speaker 2: Having anal dates.
Speaker 1: So he says, three score years ago, Yeah, I signed
Speaker 1: this contract, and if we assume it's twenty twenty one, whatever,
Speaker 1: three score years is sixty years. Yeah, so that takes
Speaker 1: us back to the nineteen sixties, right, But the record
Speaker 1: book that he was looking through earlier that when it changed,
Speaker 1: when his luck changed, was nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: It was. And that's my other quick question for next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, is it just me or does
Speaker 1: that not tally is? Is that just a props person
Speaker 1: has not done the maths properly. Yeah, it should be
Speaker 1: in the sixties, shouldn't it when it changed?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that would only make it fifty.
Speaker 1: Years, because he does say he does have a line
Speaker 1: later he says, I was one of the country's best
Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyers for fifty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 1: Think they've probably taken that line and assumed and worked
Speaker 1: back from there, but not taken into a count the
Speaker 1: fact that the length of time he has been retired.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so yeah, yeah, that would make sense.
Speaker 1: Nothing gets past me apart from locations of hairs.
Speaker 2: I did think about looking at the dates, and then
Speaker 2: I was and then one of them worked, and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well that works. Yeah, So so I
Speaker 2: didn't bother to question it any further. I think you
Speaker 2: just wanted to be able to say three score and
Speaker 2: sound fancy. Yes, two and a half score doesn't sound
Speaker 2: as that's good.
Speaker 1: No, I just, I honestly just think that the props
Speaker 1: people put the wrong dates in the thing that should
Speaker 1: have been that should have been the sixties.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well that's true. Yeah, never mind, too busy
Speaker 2: painting damn people on the walls. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So yes, the lights go out, we get a power cut,
Speaker 1: and the clocks strike midnight. It's very wonderfully ominous.
Speaker 2: Yes, he'll be here soon. Oh yes, So at what
Speaker 2: point it you worked out what's going on? Oh?
Speaker 1: I hate when you ask me this because I can't remember,
Speaker 1: because I know it wasn't that long ago that I
Speaker 1: watched it for the first time, but I you know,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what I was thinking. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: earlier than this point, i'd probably tweak to what was
Speaker 1: probably going on. Yeah, but I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 2: Whenever you get a lawyer that can't lose, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's almost always this story, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Packed with the Devil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which in a way is a bit of
Speaker 2: a shame. I think that they went with quite a
Speaker 2: cliched one, but I suppose it does work for the
Speaker 2: sort of second twist. Yeah, yeah, that's true that you
Speaker 2: think you're ahead of the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you never are with them, but that is
Speaker 1: it's such a perfect kind of career to do that
Speaker 1: with as well, because it's like him being the kind
Speaker 1: of lawyer that he is that's getting guilty people off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as it were, It's it's like, it's quite a I
Speaker 1: don't know how to explain it, but you know, it's
Speaker 1: quite a you're not really not exactly interested in justice
Speaker 1: or the truth. You're interested in making money and twisting
Speaker 1: the law basically. Yeah, So it's quite a sort of
Speaker 1: you obviously don't have any scruples anyway, yeah sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Urban goes and tries to fix the power
Speaker 2: and can't really get it back on again. I guess
Speaker 2: he can't. I guess it's not that the powers off.
Speaker 2: As far as he can see, it looks fine, and
Speaker 2: the lift opens at this point, looking moody. We get
Speaker 2: Steve back again. Yeah, speaking in the dark, so we
Speaker 2: get a bit of a chat about him being everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that can't be everywhered once, but I try. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's again, it's very obvious by that point, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you might or probably have actually worked out
Speaker 2: at this point there's some sort of deal with the
Speaker 2: devil situation going on here. Yeah, but what I think
Speaker 2: is really clever is that it's Steve that is the
Speaker 2: Devil of Christ, masterively done. Yeah, I'm pretty sure the
Speaker 2: first time I watched it, I've kind of forgotten he
Speaker 2: was even a character in it. I think he only
Speaker 2: got like two lines or something at the beginning, So
Speaker 2: you've kind of forgotten that he's even that.
Speaker 1: That's the thing for me, I'm watching it, you think, well,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't put Steve in a role so tiny as that,
Speaker 1: what's the point of him being there?
Speaker 2: So, I mean there are some roles like that, I
Speaker 2: guess I suppose. I mean, there's episodes without either of
Speaker 2: them even in it.
Speaker 1: But then that's what I was thinking, like, if you
Speaker 1: just you just not have him in it, then if
Speaker 1: it was going to be in a now I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, because the two episodes where one of the
Speaker 2: meach isn't in it? Are only in the first two series?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first series, and then they said that people
Speaker 1: were disappointed that they weren't both in it, so they
Speaker 1: decided they'd be exactly yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was like, well, maybe they would just you know,
Speaker 2: shoehorn them in for like a line to keep them
Speaker 2: in everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because apparently at one point they were considering Steve
Speaker 1: playing Webster.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that would be the normal way of doing it,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think he said it really needed someone
Speaker 1: who you could believe was you could believe was that
Speaker 1: close to death. And then he was like, not that
Speaker 1: Derek Jacoby is but.
Speaker 2: What was this five years ago? Still going strong? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that would seem like the obvious take that
Speaker 2: it would be him and Steve.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I'm glad that like this and Steve, you know.
Speaker 1: He's so perfect. Now. I also want to say, like again, technicalities,
Speaker 1: but okay, we say he's the devil, Well I don't
Speaker 1: think he's the devil. Actually he's Mephistopheles, Isn't He's the
Speaker 1: He's the agent of the devil, right?
Speaker 2: Is that is that the distinction? I don't I don't
Speaker 2: know much about Mestopheles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did Google just to double check. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're not the same thing. Okay, but it's a
Speaker 1: bit like, you know, if the Devil materializes on Earth,
Speaker 1: then Mephistopheles is the messenger.
Speaker 2: Right, like Metatron for God kind of thing. Another dote
Speaker 2: Jack could be character from Where was that good Omens?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, of course, yes, sorry.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that, or Alan Rickman in Dogma.
Speaker 1: Yeah so yeah, maybeing picky again, but no, you might
Speaker 1: as well say he's the devil because shorthand.
Speaker 2: For tents and purposes. But yeah, yeah, fair point, fair point.
Speaker 1: Fucking love that joke about mister Mestopheles.
Speaker 2: Such a serious moment as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so I can't I can't believe no
Speaker 1: one's made that joke before. No, it's you, isn't it,
Speaker 1: mister Mustopheles. Oh no, that's cats.
Speaker 2: When they're really trying to play it as a serious moment,
Speaker 2: and then he comes out with that it's genius.
Speaker 1: Also, when a long time ago, when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: I helped out with this theater company and that one
Speaker 1: of the first productions they did was Dr Faustus the
Speaker 1: Christopher Marlow play, so his version of the Faust legend,
Speaker 1: the pact with the Devil thing, and Mephistopheles is a
Speaker 1: character in that right. And then I remember we went
Speaker 1: on to our next production and the lady who ran
Speaker 1: the company, I just remember her saying, oh, I had
Speaker 1: a lovely email from Mephistopheles the other day, and it
Speaker 1: just tickled me so much. That Mephistopheles communicates by email
Speaker 1: now Memphistopheles at hell dot com kind regards, hope this
Speaker 1: email finds you. Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great line that just twigged for me
Speaker 2: on this viewing of When Urban asked whether the power
Speaker 2: will be out of much longer and Steve replies with
Speaker 2: will be in the dark a little while longer, Oh,
Speaker 2: which I really like is like meta, Yes, you might
Speaker 2: have worked out that the devil things happening, but there's
Speaker 2: another twist coming that you'll be in the dark for
Speaker 2: for a bit.
Speaker 1: Yet I felt like there was more to that line,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, he looks so good
Speaker 1: with his little glasses on the end of his nose.
Speaker 1: He does so sinister, he really does. Do you know
Speaker 1: what it reminds me of? I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is just to me like quite a niche thing, but
Speaker 1: did you watch Tom and Jerry when you were a kid. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's an episode of that that just sticks in my head.
Speaker 2: Where intentional hair. Oh shit, fuck, that's not our hair.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's not the hair. I promise that's not
Speaker 1: the hair.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an episode of that where I think Tom
Speaker 1: dies or something. It goes up to heaven. I remember this,
Speaker 1: and then there's like this judgment of like, you've done this,
Speaker 1: you've done that, and he goes all the way down
Speaker 1: to hell again and I don't know something about Steve
Speaker 1: with those little glasses on the end of his nose
Speaker 1: and sort of the judgment and they're looking at files
Speaker 1: and things. It just very much reminded me of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can vividly remember that episode.
Speaker 1: Now, I know it's imprinted. It goes up a lift,
Speaker 1: doesn't he like an elevator? Escalator?
Speaker 2: That's yeah, clouds yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he wakes up at the end and it
Speaker 1: was all a dream something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Spoilers for Tom and Jerry.
Speaker 2: Sixty years ago. Yeah, yeah, yes, Steve is some form
Speaker 2: of devil. The Scream of Webster and the doors flying
Speaker 2: open beautifully. Sh I love that. Yeah, do you find full?
Speaker 2: Little Jack could be standing there looking ultimate. Yeah. Now
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to explain this next it to me
Speaker 2: because I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'll try.
Speaker 2: So the devil wants Webster back. He's fulfilled his you
Speaker 2: know deal, Webster's time to die, he can have his soul.
Speaker 2: So Webster tries to pull some lawyership to swap in
Speaker 2: Urban through some blah blah legalies.
Speaker 1: I don't get it, No, it does. It feels a
Speaker 1: bit weird.
Speaker 2: I wish there was like when you heard it, it
Speaker 2: was like, oh that makes sense, Like what look what
Speaker 2: he's just set up? But I don't feel like he
Speaker 2: set anything up. All he's done is gone. Well he's
Speaker 2: a nicer guy than.
Speaker 1: Me, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have him? Yeah, Like, well he could have done
Speaker 2: that with anyone, surely. Actually you just had to call
Speaker 2: an uber uber eats over and have some nice guy
Speaker 2: delivery his dinner and be like take him instead Uber souls. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll be like, you know this guy I know called
Speaker 2: the Pope, have him. He's nice.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, that's a very good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really see. It doesn't feel like urban
Speaker 2: has done anything that would sort of have talked him
Speaker 2: into accepting his place. I can understand swapping him out
Speaker 2: feels fine if you can convince somehow the other person
Speaker 2: to agree to it.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the thing, is that they would normally have
Speaker 1: to agree, wasn't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is what I was trying to say earlier,
Speaker 2: wondering whether him getting his forgiveness was somehow part of it.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Whether him forgiving him was sort of like doing something here,
Speaker 2: but I don't think.
Speaker 1: Well, now, yeah, maybe like now you've forgiven him, you've
Speaker 1: sort of taken on that moral Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, that's a bit a bit old,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's something along the lines of first he says
Speaker 2: in English law. It's like, well, we're not dealing with
Speaker 2: English law here.
Speaker 1: No metaphysical law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a concept of substitution, which is just
Speaker 2: swapping one thing for another thing. And I feel like
Speaker 2: I wanted a bit more of a blah blah blahlah
Speaker 2: blah lawyered thing, like saying a load of things that
Speaker 2: made it make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's a very good point, hadn't I just
Speaker 1: kind of went with it because it just sort of
Speaker 1: he sounded authoritative and just made itative voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say authoritative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just a fluff for it, isn't
Speaker 1: it then? Yeah, but it's just tempting him as like
Speaker 1: this man's right here, and his kind soul would burn
Speaker 1: much more brightly than my own. That's that's how they
Speaker 1: sell it.
Speaker 2: But I either thought the devil or whoever he is,
Speaker 2: would be you know a little bit more astiiculer for
Speaker 2: the rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because surely he can't just take someone's soul if
Speaker 1: they haven't agreed to read it.
Speaker 2: Like, what's it stop him just wandering down the street
Speaker 2: and picking up anyone?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he really is such a kind man, then
Speaker 1: he'd have no reason to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I kind of would have preferred it be
Speaker 2: because there's this thing of you know, you've got this
Speaker 2: lawyer that suddenly can't lose. Going up against the devil
Speaker 2: would have been really interesting if he'd out lawyered the
Speaker 2: devil kind of thing. Oh yeah, it would have been interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like you know, in a bit, a bit like the
Speaker 2: joke of the genie that gives you three wishes, and
Speaker 2: your first wishes never be wrong. Oh yes, and then
Speaker 2: you've got infinite wishes.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if he tricks something, it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's a bit doctory of like trick them in, you know,
Speaker 2: with clever words, but level of with the extra level
Speaker 2: of he's a lawyer that's been given these powers by
Speaker 2: the devil and using them against the devil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been really good. Actually yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 2: He sort of has, but not in a way that
Speaker 2: really makes any sense.
Speaker 1: No, mister, load of l fluff.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but either way.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he signs signs himself a new contract. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the devil marches off Urban into the lift, who
Speaker 2: doesn't really seem to protest any of this, and he
Speaker 2: just sort of like, oh, I don't know, and just
Speaker 2: wanders into the lift. But yeah, second twist, Urbans not
Speaker 2: such an guy. So he was the bully. He murdered
Speaker 2: the guy with the orange satsuma tangerine pick a fruit.
Speaker 2: Again another problem I have. I don't like having problems. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so why the devil suddenly knows He seems to know
Speaker 2: everything as soon as a character wants you to know it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is maybe how it works. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I felt that maybe, you know, Urban
Speaker 1: was suddenly thinking about that, and he was right next
Speaker 1: to him and sort of just picked up on it.
Speaker 1: Like I guess mentally, Yeah, might not well go with
Speaker 1: that because he should have access to all that information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but as he said, he can't be everywhere at the
Speaker 1: same time, so he just kind of overlooked it, I
Speaker 1: suppose until that moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, are we also arguing here that a bad
Speaker 2: child doing something awful, Yeah, is worse than a grown
Speaker 2: adult knowingly letting off a lot of murderers. That is
Speaker 2: a good point fifty sixty however many years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was also going to say, I don't
Speaker 1: like how it says that, you know, people can't change
Speaker 1: and reform and get better, and you know, it's like
Speaker 1: once you've done I know, obviously killing someone is terrible,
Speaker 1: but does.
Speaker 2: That mean your mark for life now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when like you say, he was a child
Speaker 1: and he has he's he's done so much good since
Speaker 1: then trying to make up for it, and he's punishing
Speaker 1: himself the whole time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand it from a theological point of view, Yes,
Speaker 2: he's broken one of the ten commandments, he will go
Speaker 2: to hell. But if you weigh them both against each other,
Speaker 2: I still think that Webster is probably worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, because.
Speaker 2: Either way, both of them are broken commandments, like Webster's bar,
Speaker 2: false witness and all this sort of stuff. Yeah, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure on all that.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just I've never been very keen on
Speaker 1: this whole, very black and white thing of theology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, however, Urban Webster makes the point of you never
Speaker 2: even swear. He does when he's out of shot of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the trying to switch the lights on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe maybe he isn't that good a guy.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but swearing doesn't make your bad.
Speaker 2: Well I know, but I mean, but maybe he's just
Speaker 2: putting on a front for Webster.
Speaker 1: He does say that, doesn't he says, Oh, it's all
Speaker 1: a front. I just you know, he is.
Speaker 2: Maybe he is. Maybe he does go and kick poppies
Speaker 2: on a night, like when he's not there.
Speaker 1: I I don't read it like that. I read it
Speaker 1: that I think he's making himself seem even nicer in
Speaker 1: front of Webster because he's a dying old man and
Speaker 1: he thinks he's a sweet old man and he's trying
Speaker 1: to make him feel comfortable. Yeah, and you know, there's
Speaker 1: no reason why under your breath in front of nobody
Speaker 1: you shouldn't swear. But yeah, I do genuinely think he's
Speaker 1: he's atoned and tried to do good for the rest
Speaker 1: of his life, and he is a nice person. But
Speaker 1: it's just the way that this, the way that this
Speaker 1: is framed in this metaphysics, is that you've done that.
Speaker 2: Terrible thing, So it doesn't matter what you do.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you do after that. You might
Speaker 1: as well. He might as well have been an asshole
Speaker 1: on a shithead.
Speaker 2: You murder one, you might as well have murdered a thousand, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But just because they put that in the episode
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're saying that's the case. It's just
Speaker 1: one one view of.
Speaker 2: The world, and religion is kind of cut and dry
Speaker 2: on these things a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not go there.
Speaker 2: No, probably not.
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, so they swap it's what places in a
Speaker 1: fantastic little cut. That is great.
Speaker 2: I'd love to know if that is in camera, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I reckon it could have been. Yeah, because you
Speaker 2: only see the back of urban, so that easily could
Speaker 2: be a double. You do see Webster in the distance,
Speaker 2: but then the door goes in front of him, and
Speaker 2: I easily Steve could have just been crouched behind the
Speaker 2: table and just stood up, So I reckon it probably
Speaker 2: was done in camera.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It's just such so nicely with the with the sound
Speaker 2: effects and everything and the music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, yeah the music is great.
Speaker 2: At this point, Queu going on about music, but well.
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to say. It's great.
Speaker 2: It's really goes and yeah, Webster gets is just asserts.
Speaker 1: If he descends into hell very very.
Speaker 2: Quickly, in a way that almost takes me out of it.
Speaker 2: It's almost comical.
Speaker 1: It is comical. The kind of cgi or compositive or
Speaker 1: of that lift is very sort of like it's an
Speaker 1: interesting choice PowerPoint animation, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think kind of just had it go really
Speaker 2: slowly down, Oh yeah, cool, and just have Webster begging
Speaker 2: and just getting more and more deranged, and then it
Speaker 2: just disappears out of you, and then you maybe you
Speaker 2: hear it thundering down and flames or something. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it just really takes me out of it
Speaker 2: that it's so clearly cgi it is. Yeah. Yeah, I've
Speaker 2: also glossed over the fact that how much Steve looks
Speaker 2: like Uncle Harvey to me. Oh, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is, but there's something.
Speaker 1: In this house we do not murder people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. If it's something he's got going
Speaker 2: on with his lips, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure, but yeah, yeah, interesting one. Yeah, I think for me,
Speaker 1: Derek Jacoby elevates it. If he was, it would be
Speaker 1: a lot lower.
Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah, I think what it's trying to do,
Speaker 2: I really like. I think. I think he's got a
Speaker 2: clever premise. But sadly for that, I don't really think
Speaker 2: they quite went as far as they maybe could have
Speaker 2: done with it. Mm, which is strange to me to
Speaker 2: say about them. The premise is there, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: could have done with maybe a little bit more tinkering.
Speaker 1: What are you going to rate?
Speaker 2: It sounds really cruel, but I'm thinking of four I.
Speaker 1: Was thinking exactly the same. Yeah, I don't think that's cruel.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, in the obligatory none of them are bad
Speaker 2: blah blah blah exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just in comparison and it's just how you
Speaker 1: feel at the time. Yeah, I'm happy with that, I
Speaker 1: think both of us saying a four.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's fair. Yeah. Cool. Well, big question. Did you
Speaker 2: spot the hair?
Speaker 1: Nope, I've got Scooby.
Speaker 2: I didn't either. Oh okay, I had to look it up,
Speaker 2: and I knew when I looked it up where it
Speaker 2: would be. Well, not where it would be, but I
Speaker 2: was like, it's in a room that is so full
Speaker 2: of shit that it could be absolutely anywhere. And usually
Speaker 2: when that's the case, they actually make it really obvious. Right,
Speaker 2: So when it's really easy to hide, they tend not
Speaker 2: to and this one is a very obvious one if
Speaker 2: you know to look for it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So it's when he goes into the wardrobe to get
Speaker 2: the wig box. It's silhouetted right in the forefront, like
Speaker 2: right next to the wig box. Oh okay, really big,
Speaker 2: it's like half the screen. Wow, it's only for free seconds.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's very obvious if you if you know
Speaker 2: where it is and you're looking for it. Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we're at that time of the episode where I
Speaker 1: like to read out a message or a comment that
Speaker 1: we've had. Yeah, one that caught my eye today was
Speaker 1: one that we've had from Nathan on the Steakout episode, says,
Speaker 1: I love the commentary by you both. Feels like being
Speaker 1: in conversation with friends. Ps. I said three pounds too.
Speaker 1: At the same time that was in the quiz for
Speaker 1: Marian's cardigan. I saw four pounds and it was only
Speaker 1: thirty p so I'm not the only one.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know there's a north south divide and
Speaker 2: how much we'd spend on these things, but the inflation
Speaker 2: to the south is not worth three.
Speaker 1: Pounds when she's been dead in it in a bar
Speaker 1: and it was wasn't particularly nice anyway, I got thirty
Speaker 1: p So yeah, do keep the comments coming in because
Speaker 1: it's always nice to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely, thanks Nathan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're back next.
Speaker 2: Week finally time. It is last night of the Problems
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 1: And a quiz and a quiz stay tuned for me
Speaker 1: to lose again. One of our listeners. Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: our listeners messaged me and they were like, I didn't
Speaker 1: even realize you did quiz at the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: the end of the series, because they've obviously been turning
Speaker 1: off before the ends. Oh no Ah caught you. So yes,
Speaker 1: if you haven't heard any of a quizz, go back
Speaker 1: and listen because they's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I win every week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly.
Speaker 2: I have points to make up. There are still theories
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But on that note, is it time to close
Speaker 1: the lift door on number nine?
Speaker 2: I think it is. But if you've signed a deal
Speaker 2: with the devil, you never really leave, do you.
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