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Speaker 1: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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what you can do for your country, mister Gorbachev, tear

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down this wall. It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm James Lillnxon.

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Of course we get Charles C. W. Cook in as

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far as our guest, Oh, he's not a guest. He's

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one of us, the founder, Rob Long, So let's have

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ourselves a podcast. Although I will say this, the last

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few days you woke up thinking there might be news,

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just saying, just saying there will be news sometimes just

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so you know there will be news. And then I

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didn't do any for two days and they said there

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must be something wrong with him. Biden wouldn't do him

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for months, You wouldn't see him, and nobody ever said

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there was ever anything wrong with him, and we know

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he was in the greatest of shape. No I heard that,

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I get reports. Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Podcast,

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number seven and fifty six. How do we get that far? Well,

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in the beginning was Rob Long, but we'll get to that.

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You can join us at ricochet dot comy be part

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of the most stimulating conversations and community on the web.

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We have as usual, luckily, General C. W. Cook Stephen

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Hayward is out this week. Lord knows where he is, Iceland,

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New Guinea. But Rob's back. Rob the founders of Ricochet

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is back with us. Seminary classes, I believe start today.

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So he's a little white yesterday stressed yesterday. He can

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be stressed about seminary studies. I mean, it's a calm

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feeling of peace, no doubt this sends you as you

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look over the landscape of theological disputation and find nothing

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but harmony. But you are in New York and so

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you're on the ground where democratic socialism is taking root joyously. Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean technically I'm in Princeton, That's where I

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live now. You know, I'm a full time graduate student,

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really really thinking more about weighty matters, James, not quite

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the worldly things you think about. Yeah, I mean, it

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does seem like people are I don't know what the

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word is. What is the word when you you know

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something's coming and it's going to be bad and you

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just wanted to start now and get get on with it.

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People have that weird people's.

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Speaker 1: Probably there's probably a civil war term for guys who

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are going into the operating tent. Yeah, yeah, I pick

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up the pick up the saw, get the saw.

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Speaker 2: That's get it to start. And there's also that kind

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of this this wishcrafting, wish casting that we are aside

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does every now and then, where we have created a

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weirdly a kind of a Marxian kind of way of

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looking at the world, which is like, it's good, it's good.

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We need my I was a dinner party with a

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bunch of conservatives two weeks ago, and like we need mom,

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Donnie Bie mayor just to remind people how terrible it is,

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and then we can set ourselves up for a New

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Giuliani kind of Bloomberg kind of uh event, as if

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these things are sort of natural laws that must happen,

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like gravity or laws of physics. They forget that things

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can get really bad and stay really bad for a

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long time, which has happened in New York City for

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you know, nearly thirty forty years. So that is the

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mood I would say in New York is delusional, but

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that's kind of always the mood there in that city.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. We have two examples. New York. We're

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going to tax you. We're going to take as much

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money as we can from you. But we're going to

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open grocery stores that we'll have a one percent profit margin.

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If that Florida, hmm, how about we abolish property taxes, Charles,

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you would be the beneficiary of this. So you have

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any thoughts on dessentiss musings.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, they're contradictory. One is that I would, of

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course love to pay no property taxes. And I do

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think that there's something psychologically problematic about property taxes in

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that we all grow out watching Westerns, and the families

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that moved into the middle of nowhere and built the

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house had it free and clear, and that seemed such

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a symbol of liberty and self sufficiency. No one came

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up to them every year and said, and now the

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money for living here. But we live in a world

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in which governments spend money and you have to get

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it somehow, And I think Florida's arrangements pretty good. What

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on anything that approximates income of any sort. Good, relatively

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and I'm Gonnesota, and a lot of our taxes in

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therefore can't get upset about them. People who come in

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as tourists and either pay the sales and hotel and

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where the tolls have been cleverly placed near the airports

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and pay those. So it's not that I'm against the

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that I like property taxes, but I do think that

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combining medium level property taxes with medium level sales taxes

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in a state where a lot of taxes are paid

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by other people and there's no income tax is working

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really well for Florida. And so that the burkey and conservative

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don't know what would come next. And then there's another

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little bit unfair. And this is something I very very

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rarely say in connection with taxes, but I think it

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might be a little bit fair to get rid of

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property taxes and say, hike sales taxes on people who

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are poor. I just you know, that seems to me

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to be a pretty unfair trait.

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Speaker 1: I agree that would be regressive. But on the other hand,

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business come from the fact that Florida has a state

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budget surplut. Well, it wouldn't have any other kind budget

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surplus now because of judicious trimming. And the idea is

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and efficient, and therefore we don't have to take the

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property taxes, because the property tax is psychologically in the

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back of your head when you say the old idea

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of your house free and clear of the old idea,

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and then then somebody comes around once a year with

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the bag opens, such as that it's the idea that

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you can literally pay off your mortgage and to live

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someplace for thirty five years, but at the end of

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the year, at the end of the day, it's taken

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away from you if you do not pay the state

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Speaker 3: And that's of course the counter argument, which is a

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strong one, which is that property taxes can push people

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out of their homes, and that's also very unfair.

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Speaker 1: So Florida would boom then from people who were moving

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into escape New York's orous property taxes for example, and

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that would lead to more sales tax revenue and the

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rest of it. We'll see. It's interesting. I just love

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watching people freak out about this. It's like, you know,

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demolishing a category of taxes, it strikes some people is

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completely irresponsible because its very nature is going to start

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up the state, and we can't have that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I want to do that, yeah, but it doesn't

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have to start the state. I mean, I guess what

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that says if you repeal one form of tax, you

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can't make up the revenue somewhere else. The problem with

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property tax at least in California, I don't really know

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how they were. I didn't have to pay them in

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New York and I had to pay them in California,

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is that there's this kind of strange, murky subsidy. That's

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what governments always want to do. They want to tax

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so that if you buy a house in a thirty

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year mortgage, that your property tax is often part of

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the loan of your mortgage.

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Speaker 1: To be well, write that check out twice a month.

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Speaker 2: But California often is. And so the idea is you're

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hiding this giant fee and you're putting it somewhere where

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people kind of don't see it, and they just don't

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feel the pain. And I think when you feel the

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pain of taxes, that's what no liberals want. You'd actually

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sit there and write a check because that's like a

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that's essentially a direct mail piece from the Republican Party.

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It's your tax bill and and that's why your your

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pay stub is so bizarrely configured and confusing so you

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don't really notice it. I mean that one of the

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Corps brothers early on, when when the security at Tax

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Fight Attacks was imposed payroll tax. He he you could

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go to his the brewery in Colorado and get your

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paycheck on a Thursday, and you went to the window.

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You had to get the full you have the full

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paycheck in one window, get your gross pay and then

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you had to go to the second window and you

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had to pay your FIKA. Because he wanted everyone to

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know exactly what was coming out of their paycheck. They

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line when they felt rich and then that incredible sinking

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feeling later when they gave all the money the government

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and he was then that was considered that. I think

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they they made that illegal. You couldn't do it that way.

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You had to take it out of the paycheck before

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the worker gets it. And in general, I think anytime

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taxes are more transparent and paid on the barrel head

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and people see what they're paying for, they can decide

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if they want to pay more or less, or if

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they want more or fewer services. And that's the road

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to not just democracy, but prosperity.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Just to upset I've on even further, who will think

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I'm a squish here. The other thing that does worry

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beast Florida has doesn't spend that much in the first place.

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federal government here. I know states can't borrow in the

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way the federal government can, but that theory has been

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tried for a long, long long time. And we don't

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cut spending, we just borrow thirty eight trillion dollars, and

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so I do. There's at the back of my mind

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there's a small don't break it, as I say, Burkie

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in view that Florida is really great, it's working really well.

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I don't feel like the government it's profligate. I don't

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feel like taxes are too high in general, and I

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worry that if we do this then what.

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Speaker 1: True. But on the other hand, you don't lose your

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house because you don't pay So the other thing that

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for running CBS News, which I would actually watch again

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under her tutelage because I would expect, not that I

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would expect that it would conform to everything that I

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said or thought, but it would be probably heterodox as

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this is just more moving the chairs around on the Lusitania?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I you know, look, I think it's great.

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should there should be these robust businesses telling you the

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news and that are that are not that are thoughtful

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the subst the free press, which I've you know, written

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for which I'm I know, Barry, I'm a huge fan.

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Is it real success? It's not a success to two

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hundred million dollars. But if you were just bought this

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giant behemoth of a company, Paramount Paramount Global, I guess

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news side doesn't really make any sense. It's filled with

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all sorts of trouble and ossified things. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, Charles's last gasp of dying industry or a new

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Speaker 3: So what I love about this is that someone has

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the worst people in the world and they don't know it.

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They can't accept any failures. They still conceive of themselves

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as the greatest heroes in American history and their product

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generally speaking, and there are some exceptions, of course.

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Speaker 1: Isn't good. It's not.

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Speaker 3: The evil conservatives who did this. It's not the internet.

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difficult to run a news station. I understand that, but

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the people I think are the key to it. And

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talking about the late night shows. Maybe make one that

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isn't annoying and then see if it works, and then

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if it doesn't, you throw up your hands and you say,

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all right, well, there's just lots of different external factors

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that made it impossible. In a way it wasn't in

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nineteen seventy eight, but no one's actually tried this. We

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CNN pretended that they were going to stop being ridiculous

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and then they didn't do it. MSNBC occasionally acknowledges that

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it is a drug trip and then doesn't do anything

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about it. And Fox is its own thing because it's

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really the only one on the right. But the mainstream

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press just they don't seem to actually ever follow through.

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say everyone hates this as we're rubbish, and then they

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say what's the problem, and then they say it's because

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we're heroes.

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Speaker 1: So I just think this is good. I want to

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see if this works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think also, look, it's a

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it's a it's a I don't know the internals of

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the deal, but mostly at two hundred million dollars, which

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is actually not that much when you have eighty million

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billion dollars that Ellson's have, and when you've just invested

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a couple of billion a bunch of billion into the

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giant company, so like, yeah, you're got to hive off

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a little bit, and you're going to say roughly, this

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is what we want our news organ our news operation

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to cost. I think it's it could be really really interesting,

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it could be really something great. And the thing about

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Barry is that Barry will be infuriating and surprising to

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people on the left and the right. She's going to

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be exactly, in many ways exactly who the people on

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the left in the media think they are, right, this

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kind of we're you know, we I think freely. I

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make these I call balls and strikes all that stuff.

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organism of the New York Times had to had to

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reject it. But the truth is she is a she

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is She is the app the real life, accurate projection

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of what every you know, media grandee thinks he or

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she is. And they're gonna they're gonna find out that

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it can you know. Look, the worst thing that can

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happen to them is that she succeeds.

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Speaker 1: When Charles spoke before about evening the late night talk

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shows and saying, you know, try one that isn't annoying

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and see if that works, the Evening News sort of

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brackets that as a tradition, and it's from another time,

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another culture. When dad was home, you had your dinner,

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and then maybe while you're waiting for mom to put

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it on the table, you sat down and you watched

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the Evening News.

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Speaker 2: It's very gendered language, James, it is.

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Speaker 1: It very much is. And you had a preference based

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on who you liked, who you trusted, maybe even what

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the theme music was. I have no idea, or perhaps

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just you didn't care, and you flipped around and you

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sat down and listened to Walter or Chat or whatever.

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down and watching Journey, Oh Joy Bishop. And these are

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gone because, of course now the competition is myriad, multifaceted.

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they're streaming a whole bunch of things on their second screen,

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and nobody sits down necessarily to watch the evening News

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as sort of putting a pin in the part of

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the day, the work that is done. So the question

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is whether or not she wants to revive that at

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all or just dump it. And I'm thinking I haven't

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watched the Evening News for so long, and I did

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last week when we had the tragedy the massacre, the

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shooting in my neighborhood, and they were asking everybody. They'd

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interviewed my niece for himn's sakes, And so I turned

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it on and it reminded me that I used to

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every night watch the Evening News, and I think I've

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listened to NBC because they had the best theme, because

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John Williams had written this suite of music called and

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Get This the message that that was quite inspirational, and

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I fell away from that at some point. Willingly didn't

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miss it at all, and so launching the whole progress

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of the tropes and the cliches of what the Evening

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that people standing outside the White House and the rest

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of it just seemed like what I've been teleported back

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in nineteen sixty two. So I don't know if there's

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much to be had in trying to revive it, or

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if she should just be more nimble and attempt to

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rewrite the whole news idea on television right before her eyes.

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It's got to be done, because Charles absolutely correct, they

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don't know how bad they are. The other day, when

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the local paper, not the one that I know want

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to work for, and it said shooters mystery may never

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shooter's motive may never be known, and yeah, okay, and

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that is why circulation continues to plummet at the rate

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that it does. So. While we're on the subject of

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the shooter, though, there are two interesting developments when it

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comes to gender studies in America and theory. And the

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first is something that I predicted the minute that people

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started talking about red flag loss, the minute that they

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were saying, well, we made to make we need to

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make sure mentally ill people don't get guns. And I

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think we all agree that that's a good idea. There's

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a usual worry about red flag laws being used against

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political opponents, against people who aren't really crazy, etc. Et cetera.

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But I thought, this is what they're going to do.

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Is they're going to say, if you believe you are

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a boy when you're actually a girl, or vice versa,

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that is prima facia evidence that you have a mental disability.

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And sure enough, according to the Daily Caller, that is

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exactly what they are proposing to do. Charles, you being

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the Second Amendment absolutist. Uh, give us your take on this.

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Speaker 3: Well, spectacularly unconstitutional and won't last one minute in the courts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but tell us why. I mean the predicate the predicate.

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is to say that transgenderism is, like I said, prima facia,

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a mental disorder. Ergo can maybe guns, And it's making

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the people on the left scream for gun rights, which

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I think is quite funny. So what makes it unconcer stitutional?

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Just for those ofment taking.

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Speaker 3: Notes, Well, the Second amendments an individual right, as confirmed

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by the Hella decision of two thousand and eight. The

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Bruined decision of twenty twenty two updated that to hold

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that any gun law that is to be presumed constitutional

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must have a historical analog until that is whittled away

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or reversed. That is how the lower courts, and indeed

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the Supreme Court is obliged to look at it. So

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the question then is, throughout American history, either in the

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post colonial period or post reconstruction, are there any laws

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that permit the government to determine that a class of

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people is exempt from the Second Amendment. We're currently having

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this debate over the laws that render it illegal to

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buy or possess a gun if addicted to drugs, because

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historically the laws didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: There were.

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Speaker 3: Prohibitions on carrying firearms while drunk, for example, but you

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got your gun back the next day when you save

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it up, right. So there is a case against the

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law that got Hunter Biden into trouble on the grounds

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adam rated in Bruin. Now there have historically been exceptions

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for people who were violent felons, not non violent felons.

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Those laws may go by the wayside. That's going to

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be the next big case, and people who were mentally ill.

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But both violent felons and mental illness had to be

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adjudicated in some sense. It didn't necessarily have to be

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adjudicated with a sentence from a court, as we found

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out in the Rahemi case recently. Merely being the subject

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of a restraining order is sufficient, at least under current president.

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But there had to be some due process involved. You

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could not just say everyone who supports the Minnesota vikings

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is mentally ill, therefore they are not allowed to take

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advantage of the Bill of Rights. And that's what Although

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it's embryonic has been suggested by the Trump administration, as

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far as I can see, is declaring that anyone who

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is transgender is ipso facto mentally ill and thereby unable

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to exercise their second memoris. That will not fly. Now,

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the more interesting question would be, and I still think

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this would be fraud.

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Speaker 1: Could you pass a law.

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Speaker 3: And you'd have to do that. That said, if somebody

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who is transgender has been determined to be mentally ill

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by a court, they are no longer able to exercise

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their Second Amendment rights?

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Speaker 1: Could you do that?

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Speaker 3: That would be so complicated as a piece of litigation.

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It's hard to know where to begin because you would

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be singling out a particular group. Is it protected or

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not not? Under current president? What would happen in the States.

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But you can't do it absent due process, So I

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think this is a non starter. It's it's in fact,

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it's entirely what the Bill of Rights is there to prevent,

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which is the designation of a group that has not

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been adjudicated as being presumptively ex excluded from the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: Boy, there's a lot in there, and I don't know

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where to start, So I'm just going to say, so

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I'm just going to say Rob.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean I I I defer to Charlie

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at all, at all, all issues, all gun issues, mostly

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because he's the one who's got the guns. But also,

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I uh, I am. I'm nervous when governments of any

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stripe start deciding who's crazy and who's not crazy, and

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who's mentally ill who's not mentally ill. That seems complicated

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to me, mostly because you know, there's how many millions

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of people were in the Soviet Union were in sanatoriums

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because they believed in private property. It's just it's this

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is just a bad idea. And also it's just it's

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it's disingenuous because they don't really mean it. They just

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they're just mad that that guy was transgendered or whatever

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he was, and it's just a it's a it's a

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bad idea, especially when we're talking about constitutionally in numerated rights.

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To start, we is a wording them for immediate political gain.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Once you start doing that, then you start banning things

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when the left is in charge, which is going to

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happen sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: Probably what they're trying to do is established transgenderism. As

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a mental disorder. It's very much a part of the

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administration when it comes to the eos on bathrooms and

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sports and the rest of it. But the problem is

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is that, you know, Charlie said, there's no official body

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that says that this is a mental disorder. There's and

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even if there was, I can't imagine that it would

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play in the courts. I mean, if you had an

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accredited group of psychiatrists who said, we represent x percent

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of the American psychiatrists and we have deduced this actually

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is a mental disorder that you know, so what your

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word against the guys who don't believe it so well.

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Speaker 3: But just to add one thing to this, because Rob

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mentioned what would happen if a Democrat tried this, A

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good analogy I think would be with white supremacists. I

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think that an awful lot of people who are transgender

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are mentally ill. I think it's a delusion. We can

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debate that if you like, but that's my view. I

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think that it is probably not a coincidence that an

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astonishingly disproportionate relative to their portion of the population number

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of recent mass shooting events have featured transgender people. But

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that doesn't mean that you can as a group exclude

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them from the Constitution on the grounds that they are

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more likely than others if you accept that, to commit crimes.

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The same is true of white supremacists. If you looked

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at some of the people who lived in the hills

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of Kurdalene in the nineteen nineties, they were more likely

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statistically than other people to be involved in gangs, in terrorism,

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in crime. But it would be flagrantly illegal. And this

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around the margins has been litigated to say therefore they're

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not allowed to have guns. You can't do that. You

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have to take them one by one. You have to say,

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all right, you're a member of the area in nation.

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Have you done anything wrong, have you been convicted of anything?

477
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,799
Is there any incredible reason why you should be regarded

478
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:27,160
as a violent person to whom the Second Amendment does

479
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,000
not apply? And the same thing would have to happen here.

480
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,759
And it doesn't really matter whether we like or dislike

481
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,839
the trans thing. It doesn't matter whether we like or

482
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:38,960
dislike white supremacists. There's just no mechanism in American law

483
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,559
to declare an entire group so dangerous. And the one

484
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,400
time that it has happened was prior to reconstruction at

485
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,039
the state level, where the states said black people are

486
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,880
just too dangerous, they're not allowed to own guns, and

487
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,880
the fourteenth Amendment was passed in part along with the

488
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,880
two Friedman's Bureaus Act in the eighteen sixty six Civil

489
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,559
Rights Act to stop that. So you're just not getting

490
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:08,680
this past the constitution.

491
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:11,559
Speaker 1: We switch from there and go across the pond, too

492
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:14,440
perfidious Albion with the same issue as manifested itself in

493
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,359
a different form. Irish comedian Graham Lenihan, whom I love

494
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,240
The It Crowd is one of my absolute favorite television shows,

495
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,039
and I know a lot of people love Father Ted,

496
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,640
but his career has been in lou for five years

497
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,400
because he started saying things about gender ideology more or

498
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,599
less indicated he did not agree with it. So JK. Rowling,

499
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,440
but without the megaphone of the power of the money

500
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,720
and his last three tweets I think, which were made

501
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,000
while he was in America. He hopped over here to

502
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,799
do the Rogan Show. I think I got him arrested

503
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:53,640
at Heathrow by five bobbies and he's on trial now.

504
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,839
For those people who are saying, wait, McGray, he was

505
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960
arrested on Tuesday and he's in trial today. And no,

506
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,240
that's for another case of that has been brought by

507
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:06,680
activists against him for a thought word. Indeed, I asked

508
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,440
a friend of mine in England about this and she

509
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,960
hadn't heard about it. I got it before she did

510
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000
the next day she figured it out. It's like I'd

511
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,599
also asked her about the Scottish lass with a knife

512
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:18,839
and the axe, and she hadn't heard about it because

513
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:20,799
it wasn't in their news. Well now it is in

514
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:22,319
every single one of the papers in Britain has got

515
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,920
it in the front page and sternly worded editorials. And

516
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,400
some people are saying that this is one of those

517
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:33,240
points where actual outrage bursts through and the whole country

518
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,960
is galvanized by this particular incident. So we have that

519
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:39,759
which covers free speech, and then we have the epping

520
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:41,920
protests and the rest of it which covers migration. These

521
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,039
are two issues, and people say it's England who cares.

522
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:45,880
I First of all, I care about England because I

523
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,200
love it deeply. But secondly, this is the this is

524
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,000
the continent, this is Europe, this is the cradle of

525
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,519
our civilization, and we want it to be free and

526
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,440
we want it to be European. So what come of this?

527
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,799
Do you think? Because I keep hearing people saying, oh,

528
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,720
all the flags, it makes me feel great. Something's going

529
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:07,039
to happen and I hate to be that meme nothing

530
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,960
ever happens. But I don't know what happens from all this.

531
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,279
I really don't unless Labor gets voted out as a

532
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,319
p and reform gets in and it's more weak tea

533
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,559
and more milk governance that really does nothing to address

534
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,680
the issues that they face. And I'll throw that to

535
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,039
Rob because I know he's a he's an anglophile.

536
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, rather than throw it to the actual the actual Anglo.

537
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:30,839
Speaker 1: Uh.

538
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: My confusion is this and it's not just in Britain,

539
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,319
although Britain seems like it has the It's the boldest

540
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:44,920
relief is how is what the what the goal of

541
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,160
the regulators is is that it's just they going to

542
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,480
wear you down until you no longer notice that you're

543
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,279
being arrested. He throw for tweets or that you were

544
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:53,720
flying the union jack? Is that?

545
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:54,039
Speaker 1: Is that?

546
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:57,759
Speaker 2: The is that the end the strategy here because we're

547
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,160
just that we're we are going to seek really import

548
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,400
as many people as we can from, you know, places

549
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,680
that are falling apart, and hope that the things that

550
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920
we're reading in rather etc. That nobody really cares about.

551
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,279
I mean, the idea that this is not a powder

552
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,720
keke that's going to explode and explode in the faces

553
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,319
of the people who are sort of advancing their crack

554
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,759
bot policy agenda seems just highly unlikely to me. Maybe

555
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,480
that's because I'm an optimist, but I don't think I'm

556
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,519
an optimist. I don't think this is good news. That

557
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,920
there's going to be trouble, but it just doesn't seem

558
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,519
possible to me. It is easier to imagine all those

559
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,920
things happening in the United States, where there's room where

560
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,240
if you want to go and live in some kind

561
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,240
of you know, progressive utopia, there are plenty of places

562
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,880
where you can go do that. There's just kind of

563
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,720
like you can our Our society just has a little

564
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,759
bit more elbow room. But there. To see the pictures

565
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:57,440
that I'm seeing, it just feels like they are willingly

566
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,079
turning themselves into that movie Children of Men Men, And

567
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:03,359
I'm not sure.

568
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:04,079
Speaker 1: I just don't.

569
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: I just don't Unerstan's strategy. But part of my problem

570
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,559
is always I want to know what the other side

571
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,279
is trying to do. What do you really want? What's

572
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:12,799
your goal? And this just seems the goal seems to

573
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:18,680
be nihilistic destruction of a culture.

574
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask Charlie about that, but I

575
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,920
have to stop. I do, because I'm not going to

576
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,480
let it go un said. He noted the possibility of

577
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,759
declaring all Minnesota Viking fans insane. I'm a Minnesota Vikings fan.

578
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:33,680
I'm a football fan.

579
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: Well.

580
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I was watching the Philly

581
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,519
game last night and I'm proud to say that they

582
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:41,119
lived up to my expectorations. But when it comes to football,

583
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,920
I like it. I'm not sure I know enough about it,

584
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,119
but if I was really into it, I won't put

585
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:52,599
it this way. You know, you like players, like coaches,

586
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,079
like me. We make decisions every day, but on prize picks,

587
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prize picks, being right can get you paid. Don't miss

588
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,279
any of the excitement this season on prize picks, where

589
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:08,319
it's good to be right. And Charles, I believe that

590
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:11,079
you have some words about this I can pertaining to

591
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,799
the season and to Ricochet's leagues.

592
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a huge football fan, also unfortunately a Jacksonville

593
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:23,319
Jaguars fan. I was just for the record, James saying

594
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:27,319
that we shouldn't remove the constitutional rights of vikings.

595
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that you went there right away, that's

596
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:29,839
just what I'm saying.

597
00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:32,839
Speaker 3: Why I said that because you were sitting in front

598
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,720
of me at least over video.

599
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: But I do love it.

600
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Speaker 3: I have a bunch of fantasy football teams. I have

601
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Pick Them leagues, and I'm just always up for a

602
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,559
new app in which I have to make predictions, in

603
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which I have to follow closely. It's how I learned

604
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:55,440
the game as a foreigner is trying to compete with Americans.

605
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,480
I am now an American. I'm still trying to compete

606
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with them. And I like this Prize picks app, which

607
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is extremely granular, doesn't just deal with football. Of course,

608
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there are lots of sports on it. In fact, i'm

609
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looking at it right now and there are Tennis is

610
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one of the sports as well. I'm very much into tennis,

611
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,599
so I'm looking forward to digging into this. I do

612
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,079
like sports apps, especially where there's money involved.

613
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,359
Speaker 1: And well take that from Charlie there and when you

614
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say app, wait, a minute. What's going on here? I'm

615
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sending me to a website. No prize picks. Yeah, it's

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get this. You like doing this kind of stuff. You

629
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haven't gotten into it before. You're curious about it. Well,

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that's right ricochet to get fifty dollars in lineups after

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be right, I think price picks responsoring this the Ricachet

636
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podcast and we grind the gears and go back to

637
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,960
the subject we were talking about before, Charles, when we

638
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,320
were talking about England. You know English culture of course

639
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,960
better than any of us. I know parts of London

640
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:49,119
and Suffolk culture. So the nation as a whole, do

641
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,679
you think that there is something coming, something brewing or

642
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,800
will it simply be met with stoic passivity and whatever

643
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,159
comes next? And also pertinent to Rob's point about why

644
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,400
why are they doing this?

645
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: Well, you know I have a I suppose different beyond this,

646
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,920
and I'm sure Rob will agree. I think we should

647
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:17,199
arrest more people who write comedic TV shows. No, I've

648
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:21,800
utterly appalled by this one. I wondered if this one

649
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:27,119
was going to be different in its consequences. You know

650
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:30,400
what bothered me about this, James, was that this could

651
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,679
not be put down to one cop who misinterpreted the

652
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,239
law or was rash or in the heat of the moment,

653
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,039
made a poor decision. They tracked Graham Lennarhan across the Atlantic.

654
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,639
They coordinated with IATA and the airlines they went to

655
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,440
Heathrow Airport, five of them to arrest him. That's premeditated.

656
00:35:54,559 --> 00:36:01,400
That's a decision that you make and execute, and that

657
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:05,320
was qualitatively different, I think than what has come before,

658
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,800
which is the police have seen something. God my goodness. Okay,

659
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,760
now I think it's absurd what has happened before. But

660
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,880
you just cannot see this as anything other than the

661
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,840
flowering of government policy. And I don't know if the

662
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,079
British are as upset about it as they should be,

663
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,719
and as upset about it as they would need to

664
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,400
be to get it changed. They don't have the same

665
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480
free speech culture we have now. The people who have

666
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,599
come in from other countries probably don't have great views

667
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:42,800
on free speech. There are a lot of problems in

668
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,039
England with immigration, and we all see the videos. But

669
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,599
it is more the case, in my view, that those

670
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,840
people who have come from elsewhere are used by existing

671
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,280
British people as justification for sense laws than that the

672
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,679
people who have come in are the driving force behind them,

673
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,119
because there.

674
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:05,159
Speaker 1: Aren't that many of them.

675
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: The British, at least until now, are okay with censorship.

676
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,079
They put these laws in. Most of the bad free

677
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:17,039
speech laws in England were put into place in the sixties,

678
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:20,800
seventies and eighties. One of them was signed by Margaret Thatcher,

679
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,239
who I think is generally great, but was reflective of

680
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:32,760
her nation and class in being hostile toward edge case

681
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,280
speech in a way that Americans simply are not. So

682
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719
you know, the way this is sometimes cast in America

683
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,760
is the plucky British against and then you can insert

684
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,480
the people we dislike on the other side. But actually,

685
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,599
the plucky British have for fifty sixty years been really

686
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:53,920
tolerant of the government telling them what they can and

687
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,880
can't say. Why I think this might be different, and

688
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,199
why I am a little bit optimistic is what the

689
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,679
British have started to notice is that the law is

690
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,920
enforced completely differently against some groups than others.

691
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: Two to your justices a free right.

692
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 3: And actually that is something that defends British people far

693
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,039
more than censorship. The British have a very strong sense

694
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:20,360
of fair play. The law has been used for years

695
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,519
against all types. My joke is their equal opportunity census.

696
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,800
So the Muslims get arrested for criticizing the Christians, and

697
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,199
the Christians get arrested for criticizing the Muslims, and the

698
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,760
atheists get accused of criticizing both of them and they

699
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,840
all go to jail together. But that's not happening now.

700
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,400
We saw this with Lucy Connolly, we saw this with

701
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,280
Graham Lenihan.

702
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,559
Speaker 1: They are now.

703
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: Arresting certain people and letting others go, and that I

704
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:46,280
wonder if that will be the key to.

705
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,559
Speaker 1: Change all right, Well, perhaps the speaks laws and their

706
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,960
acquiescence too. There might be a consequence of being steeped

707
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,719
in the welfare state and having a paternalistic government over them.

708
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,199
But when it comes to the decision by the government

709
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:58,679
to forcibly change the demographics of the Septate dial it

710
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,119
was Rob was saying. He was like, and I think

711
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:03,599
it goes back to a whole bunch of simple things

712
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,159
we've talked about here in the podcast before. Tony Blair

713
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:10,000
wants cool Britannia, Right, the whole progressive movement doesn't want

714
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:12,440
to be steeped in nationalism. They hate the flags, they

715
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,239
hate all that waving. They think it's that it's the

716
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,440
last refuge of the scoundrel, that it's intellectually undefensible in

717
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,199
the modern world, that nationalism leads to tribalism, which leads

718
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,639
to war, and they just don't like it. And for

719
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,719
people who are not very smart and who are stupid. Actually,

720
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,320
this just tends to drip down until you are a

721
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,400
considered to be a good person. The more you drip

722
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,239
disdain for Western culture, western society, western history, and the

723
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,280
rest of it. Because it's bad. It did all the

724
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,079
bad things in the world. It had the wars. That's it.

725
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,199
It's bad. And somehow if we even that out by

726
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,000
changing the demographic mix, we will be better because diversities

727
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,239
are strength and multiculturalism makes us a society better, so

728
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,039
they say, And I think they're doing it because they

729
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:57,079
just have these basic boilerplate progressive ideas of transnational bliss

730
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,280
and everybody getting together in kumba yaing at the rest

731
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,400
of it, as well as exoticizing the outsider in the

732
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:07,239
other and the others as well as enjoying. Actually, when

733
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,280
people that they don't like are having a hard time

734
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,159
of it because their neighborhoods have changed. Uh, there's a

735
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,400
there's an element of just almost juvenile resentment and revenge

736
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:23,000
and and utter utter indifference to the culture that that

737
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:24,760
that is made In the end that's what I think.

738
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,280
They're not very smart and they think they're doing well.

739
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:31,119
Speaker 2: Mhmm yeah, I guess my, my, we don't have to

740
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:33,559
keep a laboring this because it's so depressing. But the

741
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:37,639
thing that strikes me is that all the all of

742
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,440
my encounters with that culture, that far and weird culture

743
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:47,039
that Charlie fled, is that there is that they're funny

744
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,039
British irony, Like they invented this kind of like incredibly

745
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:56,519
elaborate smart humor that you know, what's that great you

746
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,000
know phrase.

747
00:40:57,679 --> 00:40:58,119
Speaker 1: It just it.

748
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: If you ever go out with English people, two thirds

749
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,480
of the conversation is just you know, insulting each other

750
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:11,159
in more interesting ways. And to give that up, to decide, no,

751
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,880
we're gonna give this thing up. This like it's like

752
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,039
the French saying they're not gonna have Holliday sauce anymore.

753
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,280
It's like, no, no, this is what makes you you.

754
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,199
Speaker 1: And to.

755
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: Resting at Comedian for his funny tweets is about the

756
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:35,320
least British thing I can imagine. That is a place

757
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,239
that I've always thought of as a very very funny

758
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,000
place where the guy driving the cab is he's funny.

759
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,400
People are funny and the minute they get touchy and

760
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,199
they lose that and they decide that this great contribution

761
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,679
we made to world culture, which is irony and double

762
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:58,519
speak and satire and a raised eyebrow and Benny Hill, Right, boy,

763
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:01,679
I don't know what else you got, Benny so.

764
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:07,119
Speaker 1: Last Wu Leonard and Heathrow. You expected yackety sacks to

765
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:12,000
be playing over the sound system, some super goggling after

766
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:13,639
goggling after half clad women.

767
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm a hashtag king, Benny.

768
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Well, the thing of it is is it's not going

769
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,960
to stop there. I mean they're hauling up canaries from

770
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,239
the coal mine, pining for the Fjords every single day.

771
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:27,599
In addition to the Online Safety Act, in an addition to

772
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,239
the len in case, there's the banter the banter bands

773
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,960
that are coming to the pubs where if anybody says

774
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,639
something that the bar made me take I'm sorry, the

775
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,880
bar person takes offense to that, the you have to

776
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,559
take the pub owner can be taken to course, so

777
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,239
you know we're not I have a vision of England

778
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,400
in the future where everybody is sitting underneath black cones

779
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,280
of silence from gets smart and it's the only safe

780
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,159
place that they can exist, but even those will be

781
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:54,480
bugged because you'll have AI reading your lips elsewhere in Chicago,

782
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:56,360
the mayor of Chicago has said that he's going to

783
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,239
defend the city against the fascists to take over, that

784
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,480
it's coming. Fifty eight people shot up with the weekend.

785
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,519
He said, they're going to defend the democracy of the

786
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,639
city of Chicago's at Mayor Brandon Johnson quote, We're going

787
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:10,760
to protect the humanity of every single person in the

788
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,199
city of Chicago. And by doing that, I mean he's

789
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,480
going to keep anyone from coming in apparently to instill order.

790
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:18,840
And Pritzkrow waved it off and said, look, you know,

791
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,239
it's a big city. What are you going to do.

792
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,559
I always loved when I was hearing something the other

793
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,559
day about somebody talking about it was a network newsperson.

794
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,639
They talked about, Yeah, there were fifty eight shootings in

795
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,079
Chicago and seven people died, but crime is down twenty percent.

796
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,480
And I thought, the reason that I hate the news

797
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,159
is because the proper way, the smart way, is to

798
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,920
invert that in your delivery. You start by saying, statistics

799
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,280
show that the crime is down twenty percent in Chicago, Nevertheless,

800
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:51,800
fifty eight people were killed, because that sort of aligns

801
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,000
with how people feel about this. Stats don't do anything.

802
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:57,639
Point give to showing somebody a red line going down

803
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:00,239
with an arrow doesn't mean anything if the vibe their

804
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,599
city is dangerous. So why do you think Chicago is

805
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,000
going to play out if the National Guard goes in.

806
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, Charlie. You're a law and order you

807
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,199
had a law of order.

808
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: I I think this is really difficult because, on the

809
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,559
one hand, I do not understand how Chicago doesn't fix itself,

810
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,480
and I think what Prisca said, oh as a city

811
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,440
is crazy, and the politics of this are clearly and

812
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,280
Trump's favor. On the other hand, I defended to the

813
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,679
Hill the deployment of federal offices in Washington, d C.

814
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: Because Washington d C.

815
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: Is a federal district and really has no more capacity

816
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,679
to push back against federal control than you know, the

817
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,199
north West Territory did. That is not true of Chicago,

818
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,480
It's not true of Illinois. It is a state. And

819
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:11,519
the recent decision out of California, which held that the

820
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:16,079
federal government cannot perform police functions under the posscomat Artist

821
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:25,239
Act probably applies here too. So my tragic conclusion is

822
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,559
that Chicago has for decades been run by people who

823
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,800
don't want to fix the crime problem, that that is outrageous,

824
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,559
but that the tools the federal government has to do

825
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:40,760
anything about it are limited, and Trump hasn't changed that.

826
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,559
So I don't think a great deal is actually going

827
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,679
to happen, other than that this will cause a national

828
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:53,760
desbate in which the Democrats will say crazy things for

829
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,480
two months. And that's what Trump wants because he understands

830
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,079
that they're going to come out in favor of crime,

831
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,679
which I don't think that's hyperbole. That is what they've

832
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:09,320
done in DC. They haven't come out against federal troops.

833
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: Some have.

834
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: They've largely said it's fine, it's not fine.

835
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: Well, Robbie, as Charlie noted, they've made them come out

836
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,360
in favor of the crime and also this week in

837
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,159
favor of Venezuela and drug smugglers.

838
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, it's very strange. I mean, I just

839
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:37,960
there's a there's a moment. I think somebody told me

840
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,920
there's a moment in the nineteen eighty eight when George H. W.

841
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:51,239
Bush was on TV doing something some you know, not campaign,

842
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,920
he was not a great campaigner, and Governor Ducaccus Michael

843
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,000
Dacacus of Massachusetts watching it with some friends. They're watching

844
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,599
in the news and he turns to his friends and

845
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:07,400
he says, I can't believe I'm losing to this guy.

846
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,960
And it got out and it was actually part of

847
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,960
a Sarien Life sketch I think the following week where

848
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,920
I think it was John Levitt says, I can't believe

849
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,199
I'm losing to this guy, and everybody laughed, and I

850
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,519
feel like that's that's The Democrats are still in that loop,

851
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:29,079
and they've had since twenty sixteen to kind of get

852
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:31,159
out of it, but they're still stuck on square one,

853
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,519
which is I can't believe I'm losing this guy. And

854
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,880
he answers, yes, you are losing to this guy, So

855
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,760
now what what you do about that? They still they're

856
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,920
still astonished, and he's I mean, you know, we are

857
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:46,159
not talking about the most disciplined opponent Trump, right, but

858
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,679
that he manages just by his own sheer, chaotic personality

859
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,840
to get them to say incredibly dumb things, to get

860
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,920
them to choose to be weird rather than to be normal.

861
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:01,079
And that is a very mean, you know, I I

862
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:06,280
just don't understand the level of sort of mental and

863
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,920
emotional imbalance that must be just prevalent in the sort

864
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,159
of the democratic think machine.

865
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: But he's making them say what they believe he's making

866
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:19,239
by being on the eighty side of an eighty twenty issue.

867
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:23,280
They feel empowered, they feel righteous, They feel it is

868
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,519
necessary for them to defend the twenty percent of the

869
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:29,079
twenty percent of it because it's what it's what Either

870
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,039
it's either what they believe or what they know that

871
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:33,360
they have to say in order to be part of

872
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,320
the party, because the lanes of narrowed the party definitions shift.

873
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:39,920
What it means to be a liberal, what it means

874
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,920
to be a conservative. It's not you know, it's not

875
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:44,880
nineteen eighty three and eighty four anymore. They have to

876
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,079
be full throated in their condemnation of this, and they

877
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,400
have to be full throated in their endorsement of these

878
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,280
other things. Yeah.

879
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's they maneuver themselves of that position. I mean,

880
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:56,159
there are other they have other options. I just I

881
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,920
just my I have a lot of friends who are

882
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,039
would describe themselves have described themselves as sort of moderate

883
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,000
to conservative Democrats, and they are just baffled like that.

884
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,679
What is keeping people from saying crime is bad? It's

885
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,400
just a hard What is keeping people from saying that?

886
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,039
Speaker 1: And the voice in the back of their head that

887
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:20,559
says that crime comes from socio economic favor of factors

888
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:25,360
and racism, and that the carceral state that imprisoning people

889
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,199
and the rest of it is unjust because it has

890
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,239
disparate impact and all of these things that they've been

891
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,559
rolled off their tongue for the last twenty years. If

892
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,239
that's if you can't say you can't say crime, I

893
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,559
mean they will. I mean on Reddit. I go there

894
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,000
and you will find people condemning it. They hate it.

895
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,679
But again, the solutions are always midnight basketball. The solutions

896
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,440
are always that is mantling of white supremacy. I mean,

897
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,079
the solutions are never the sort of thing that made

898
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,480
Fox Butterfield so confused. Solutions are never take the guy

899
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:55,239
who just did the bad thing with a gun and

900
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,199
put him in this box for ten years. It's never

901
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,199
that you can't have that. It doesn't rehabilitate them, it's

902
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:03,559
not restorative, it's not any of those things. Speaking of Reddit, uh,

903
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,559
big question. I read it last week whether Trump was

904
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:12,199
dead on a speculation about his his his puffy ankles.

905
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,320
I guess his his puffy hand cosmetics in the hand

906
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,719
is to cover up some sort of infusion. Even Tim

907
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,119
Waltz got into the act, showing that he's just that

908
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:27,320
that that midwestern, good old, fine spirited dad that he is,

909
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:29,840
was joking about maybe waking up and getting news that

910
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,440
the president's dead. What I can't figure out about this

911
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,679
is one why it thinks that, why the left thinks

912
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,639
this makes them look good. I mean, it's been it's

913
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:40,960
been the norm ever since Kathy Griffith held out the

914
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,400
bloody severed head. We get it, you want them dead,

915
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,519
we get it. But do they realize that if Trump dies,

916
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:53,119
we get vance and Vance might be exactly what they

917
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:56,199
hate in Trump, except without the things that make people

918
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,079
go nuts. So what'd you guys think of the Trump

919
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,719
death watch this weekend?

920
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,199
Speaker 2: I thought it was weird. I mean, what's the what

921
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:10,199
was the You know, he's an elderly, extremely overweight man

922
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:17,599
who does not exercise, and we're wondering why his ankles

923
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,239
are swollen. It's like we had to call him Sherlock,

924
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,400
doctor Sherlock Holmes for this. He's an old fat man

925
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,599
who eats Big Max all the time. So yeah, he's

926
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:31,159
gonna be a little puffy and especially around the ankles.

927
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,159
And he probably gets you know, IV drips every now

928
00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:38,280
and then because that's the fad, and they go in

929
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,199
the in the hand, and he wants to cover that

930
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,159
up with makeup because he's got plenty of makeup. You know,

931
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:45,559
he spends an hour and a half every day in

932
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,480
his hair and makeup, doing his own hair and makeup.

933
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:50,760
So it's not like he like this is a non mystery.

934
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:53,840
They keep they keep I keep feeling like these people

935
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,159
are are are every week they are being reintroduced to

936
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:58,960
the character of Donald J. Trump.

937
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 1: They did know who he was. It's bard to me,

938
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:05,519
Charles were going to end with that, so I'll let

939
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:06,880
you have the last word on that.

940
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: In the story, I was at a wedding in Philadelphia

941
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,800
for most of the weekend and then came back to

942
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,320
work on Tuesday to the news that Donald Trump wasn't

943
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,079
dead and wondered why everyone had assumed that he was.

944
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,719
This was probably an online I can assure you that

945
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,639
over three days in Philadelphia, having met hundreds of people

946
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,360
at this wedding and elsewhere, not one person said to me,

947
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:37,480
is the President dead? So I was shocked by this, James,

948
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,239
and confused it.

949
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Speaker 1: Could be something that existed online in a proportion out

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of whack with actual real world events and thoughts. Gosh,

951
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who could have seen that coming? Then again, you know,

952
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the other day on an interview, Joey Reid said, right,

953
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I almost actually cared about what Joey Reid said. I don't,

954
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but we hope that you've cared about what we've said,

955
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because it's been fun to say it, and it's been

956
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great to have brother Rob back with us again. You're

957
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:06,360
welcome anytime, you know, I love it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know when I when I can take

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a take time out for my religious studies, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know, take off the itchy hairshirt and

961
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:19,000
the ton sewer. Yeah, put on civilian clothes and income

962
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:23,559
here smelling faintly of wax and benedictine and and hazel

963
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:25,360
nuts and all the rest of it. I've been great

964
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to have you here, and Charles good as ever. Give

965
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my regards to Florida, give my regards to Princeton, and

966
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everybody else. Should do two things or maybe three Prize

967
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,280
picks will want broadcast was brought to them. Pick up

968
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,559
the app, give it a look, support us by becoming

969
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,800
part of the best place for civil center right conversations

970
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would be be picking up Ricochet, of course, which has

971
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had some under the hood improvements and tweaks. It's going

972
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to be even better in the future. And of course

973
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when we say go to Ricochet, what we mean is

974
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sign up and you know, for a little bit of

975
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:56,320
the chit ching, you get access to the member feed,

976
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which is where a true community has arisen over the years.

977
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And if you could give us a five minute five start,

978
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no five minute review on Apple podcasts, I want you

979
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to go and speak and transcribe for five minutes everything

980
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,960
you love about it and paste it into podcast review.

981
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Helps new listeners discover us, which keeps the show going,

982
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:14,519
which means that we're going to be here forever and

983
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ever and ever. I shouldn't say that to Robie anyway,

984
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it's been great, Thank you guys, and we'll see every

985
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one of the comments in Ricochet four point what is

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it now?

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Speaker 3: Charles four point fourteen point eleven point four.

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Speaker 1: That's what it was going to say. Great, bye bye,