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<v Speaker 1>Hi everyone. I'm releasing this in our usual spot on

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday night because our guests had to be moved to Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Thursday we have a doubleheader in both NASA

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<v Speaker 1>people Mike Gold at eight pm and also Greg Martin's

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<v Speaker 1>at nine pm, So check that out. That will be

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<v Speaker 1>released as a regular podcast and on YouTube as well

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<v Speaker 1>in other platforms. So I'm going to read an audio

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<v Speaker 1>blog by Charles Lear. It's called The Mystery of UFO's Past,

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<v Speaker 1>Present and Future. This isn't exactly a usual audio blog

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<v Speaker 1>by Charles Lear. It's part of an actual excerpt from

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<v Speaker 1>his book Coming Up, a series of books, The Investigators.

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<v Speaker 1>While Jay allen Hinik was bringing The Invisible College into

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<v Speaker 1>the open, he became involved with a documentary that has

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<v Speaker 1>Rod Serling as its main host, along with Burgess, Meredith,

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<v Speaker 1>Jose Ferrera, and Jacques Valet. The movie makes a compelling

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<v Speaker 1>argument that UFO should be taken seriously and includes appearances

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<v Speaker 1>by former Bluebook heads Robert Friend and Hector Quintinella. In

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<v Speaker 1>its release in nineteen seventy four, it was titled UFO's Past,

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<v Speaker 1>Present and Future, which was changed to UFOs. It has

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<v Speaker 1>begun for its release in nineteen seventy six and in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine. Besides being informative and entertaining and preserving

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of UFO history for future researchers, the story

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<v Speaker 1>behind its production has become part of UFO history as well,

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<v Speaker 1>as Its producers were reportedly misled by the Pentagon into

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<v Speaker 1>believing they would receive classified footage of a UFO landing

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<v Speaker 1>at Hallaman Air Force Base in May of nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>The footage was described as showing a meeting between the

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<v Speaker 1>UFO occupants and Air Force officials. According to the producer,

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<v Speaker 1>main writer and composer Robert Emmenager, it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the finale of the documentary until the DoD withdrew

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<v Speaker 1>the offer at the last minute. Robert Emmenager was interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>by Mel Fabergas in two thousand and nine. According to him,

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<v Speaker 1>he and Alan Sandler had originally set out to produce

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<v Speaker 1>a series of films about advanced military technology, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were diverted by an intriguing piece of information offered by

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<v Speaker 1>their military contact at Norton Air Force Base, Paul Chartel. Chartel,

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<v Speaker 1>security manager and chief Requirements for the Audio visual program

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<v Speaker 1>at the base said that he had seen a film

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<v Speaker 1>of an alien craft landing at Holloman Air Force Base

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy one. As discussions about possible projects continued,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that one of them would be about UFOs

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<v Speaker 1>came up and was encouraged by military officials who offered

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<v Speaker 1>the producers the use of the footage. Emma Nager and

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler decided to go ahead with a UFO documentary, and

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<v Speaker 1>the film was made. Watching the film the cooperation of

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<v Speaker 1>the DoD as a parent besides the appearance of two

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<v Speaker 1>former Bluebook directors, Former Air Force public Information officer for

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<v Speaker 1>Project Bluebook, Colonel William Coleman, describes the military's involvement with

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<v Speaker 1>UFOs While walking through the Inner Ring of the Pentagon.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Friend seems particularly pro UFO as he tells of

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<v Speaker 1>a bizarre contact tee case involving a Naval intelligence officer

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<v Speaker 1>who was investigating it, going into a trance and channeling

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<v Speaker 1>a group of aliens. According to Friend, the aliens produced

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<v Speaker 1>a line disc for the officers fellow investigators on request.

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<v Speaker 1>Friend is later seen interviewing the four Army Reserve crew

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<v Speaker 1>member who was involved in the coin helicopter incident. What

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<v Speaker 1>should be of interest to historians is a discussion among j.

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<v Speaker 1>Allen Heinik, Robert Friend, Hector Quintinella, and al Chopp. Al

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<v Speaker 1>Chopp was a press liaison at the Pentagon who dealt

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<v Speaker 1>with UFO inquiries and was in the radar room during

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifty two UFO flap in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>They all give their speculations on what might be behind

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<v Speaker 1>the UFO mystery, ranging from Heinez's interdimensional theory to CHOP's

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<v Speaker 1>belief that creatures from other planets are visiting Earth. Quintinella,

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<v Speaker 1>who was infamous as a hardened skeptic and debunker during

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<v Speaker 1>his time at Blue Book, says that he believes et

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<v Speaker 1>is out there. At the end of the film is

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<v Speaker 1>an illustrated sequence that it is described by Rod Serling

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<v Speaker 1>as an event that might happen in the future or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps could have happened already. It shows the purported landing

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<v Speaker 1>at the meeting. According to Emmenager, this was based on

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<v Speaker 1>the film footage that was promised by the Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>just before the illustrated sequences in eight seconds of what

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<v Speaker 1>Chartel and Emenager claimed on the nineteen eighty eight television

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<v Speaker 1>show UFO Cover Up Live is footage of the UFO

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<v Speaker 1>descending before it landed. During his interview with Fabrogres, Emmenager

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<v Speaker 1>begins by giving his background, which seems to offer credence

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<v Speaker 1>to his being offered film footage that would most likely

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<v Speaker 1>be highly classified. According to him, he was the creative

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<v Speaker 1>director at Gray Advertising Company, which had done work for

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<v Speaker 1>the Nixon administration. Emmenager brings up his and Sandler's earlier

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with the US government, saying that they had made

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<v Speaker 1>a film for the Navy to help sailors recognize an

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol problem, and had also made a series of promos

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<v Speaker 1>in support of public funding for NASA's space Shuttle program.

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<v Speaker 1>He says he was a friend of Nixon's Chief of Staff,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Haldeman, and that he Emmenager received a letter from

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<v Speaker 1>part of Nixon's administration. After giving the background information, Emmenager

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<v Speaker 1>goes into the details of how the DoD's offer of

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<v Speaker 1>the film footage came about. He says that Chartel took

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<v Speaker 1>him and Sandler into a quote clean room, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a room free of mike's and cameras, and told them

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<v Speaker 1>about the Hollomann film and how it had been sent

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<v Speaker 1>to Norton. According to him, Chartel said that if they

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<v Speaker 1>were interested, they should talk to a certain captain, and

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<v Speaker 1>Emmenager doesn't recall the name who would put them in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with the Pentagon. According to Emmenager, he and Sandler

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<v Speaker 1>visited the Pentagon repeatedly and never signed, in which he

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<v Speaker 1>had also been the case at Norton. He speculates that

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<v Speaker 1>this was for the purpose of plausible deniability. He says

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<v Speaker 1>they met with Colonel William Coleman, who okayed the use

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<v Speaker 1>of the film and told them that the Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>would sponsor the documentary. This was, according to Emmenager, for

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of improving public relations with the military in

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<v Speaker 1>the aftermath of the Vietnam War. Emmenager says there were

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<v Speaker 1>production meetings at the Pentagon where no one questioned the

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<v Speaker 1>section of the script dealing with the Holman case. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe it, but I said, oh well, and

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<v Speaker 1>went along with it. According to Emmenager, after a long wait,

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<v Speaker 1>Coleman told the producers that the climate created by the

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<v Speaker 1>Watergate scandal made it inappropriate at that time to release

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<v Speaker 1>the Holman footage. The movie was finished and released in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four, and the illustrated sequence was used in

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<v Speaker 1>place of the Holman film. It's quite a story, but

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<v Speaker 1>the main source is Emmenager. One might dismiss it if

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<v Speaker 1>there were any doubts as to Emmenegue's credibility, But as

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<v Speaker 1>with many UFO tales, there is a twist which came

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<v Speaker 1>about in nineteen eighty eight with a television show UFO

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<v Speaker 1>Cover Up hosted live by Mike Ferrell. Near the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the program, Coleman and friend appear and Coleman tells

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<v Speaker 1>of being in a B twenty five while chasing a

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<v Speaker 1>seventy foot disc over Alabama in nineteen fifty five. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>just after the forty six minute mark, after talking with

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<v Speaker 1>Ferrell walks over to sit down with Emmenager and Chartel.

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<v Speaker 1>Emmenager tells the story of how Chartel brought up the

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<v Speaker 1>Holman film, and then Farrell ASTs, what did you see,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Chartel. Chartel describes seeing three disc shaped craft. According

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<v Speaker 1>to him, one seemed to be having problems and it

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<v Speaker 1>landed while the other two left. He says that three

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<v Speaker 1>aliens came out, at which point a chuckle escapes from

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<v Speaker 1>Farrell as yes, what did they look like? Chartell describes

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<v Speaker 1>them this way, While they were human size, had an

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<v Speaker 1>odd gray complexion and a pronounced nose. They wore tight

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<v Speaker 1>fitting jumpsuits, thin headdresses that appeared to be communication devices,

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<v Speaker 1>and in their hand they held a translator. I was

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<v Speaker 1>told a Hallman base commander and other Air Force officials

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<v Speaker 1>went out to meet them. Emmeneger tells Farrell, well, although

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<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon had been very very cooperative all the way,

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<v Speaker 1>at the last minute, the film was confiscated and we

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<v Speaker 1>lost the whole finale of our show. He says that

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<v Speaker 1>what he saw and heard convinced him that the UFO

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenon was real. Pharaoh asked Chartell what he was told

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<v Speaker 1>by his superiors, and Chartel tells him that he was

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<v Speaker 1>told the film was theatrical footage purchased by the Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force to me make a training film. Pharrell suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>this is plausible, a plausible explanation, and Chartel tells him

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<v Speaker 1>that his job was to keep in accurate records of

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<v Speaker 1>such purchases and that he didn't have one for the

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<v Speaker 1>footage in question. The twist in the story is that

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<v Speaker 1>the UFO cover up live has also become part of

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<v Speaker 1>UFO history because of the involvement of Richard Doty, a

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<v Speaker 1>self proclaimed CIA trained Air Force Office of Special Investigations

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<v Speaker 1>disinformation agent. Doty is the face of the movie poster

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<v Speaker 1>for the twenty thirteen documentary Miraje Men, where he admits

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<v Speaker 1>and claims he was the key player starting in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty in the AFOSI disinformation operation, primarily targeting APRO members

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Benowitz and William Moore, who participated, according to him

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<v Speaker 1>and Dody, along with investigative journalists and DOCTUS minary filmmaker

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<v Speaker 1>Linda Moulton Howe. Doty appears on the show in a

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<v Speaker 1>shadow with his voice disguise, identified as a government insider

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<v Speaker 1>with the code named Falcon. He denies it with him,

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<v Speaker 1>but in his distinctive classes in vocal inflections say otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>and informs the viewing audience that the US is housing

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<v Speaker 1>an alien guest that likes ancient Tibetan music and strawberry

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream. As far as this writer can find, Alan

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler has never publicly commented on the documentary or the

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<v Speaker 1>validity of Emmenager's claims. As for his involvement with any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of intelligence organization, there is one that is definite.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a producer as part of the Sandler Burns

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<v Speaker 1>Marmer productions of Lancelot Link Secret Chimp, a show he

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<v Speaker 1>of chimps. Emmenaga worked on the show as the composer.

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<v Speaker 1>Both men were also involved in the creation of several

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<v Speaker 1>B grade science fiction movies produced by Sandler Institutional Films,

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<v Speaker 1>so their nature of their creative involvement puts their background

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<v Speaker 1>in this writer's mind in a less serious light than

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<v Speaker 1>that portrayed by Emmenager when talking about Holloman. While it

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<v Speaker 1>might seem likely that Emmenager made up the story, why

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<v Speaker 1>would Chartel back him in front of a television audience

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<v Speaker 1>if the story is true? Does the DoD actually have

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<v Speaker 1>footage of aliens and their craft? Or do they just

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<v Speaker 1>say they did? And if so, for what purpose? As

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, Sandler did address these sorts of questions

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<v Speaker 1>privately with Valet, who made several journal entries during his

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<v Speaker 1>and heinez involvement with the production. In the May twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four, Entry and Forbidden Science Too. Jacques Valet

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<v Speaker 1>recounts a discussion at Emmenager's house between him, Emmenager, and Sandler,

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<v Speaker 1>with Highnick sitting silent while smoking his pipe. According to Valet,

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler said he was hired to make routine documentaries on

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<v Speaker 1>cancer treatment by radiation and brain computer linkage. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a pet project of doctor Joseph call Robinette Lichnerer, who

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<v Speaker 1>was head of the Advanced Research Project Agency's information processing office.

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler told Valet that the client told him, in Valet's words,

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<v Speaker 1>to include a UFO film in the series. To his astonishment.

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler said they started interviewing military people and were followed

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<v Speaker 1>Valet asked if Sandler thought they were being used, and

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<v Speaker 1>He speculates that Nixon might be using disclosure as a

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<v Speaker 1>Sandler added that Nixon could declare a state of emergency

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<v Speaker 1>if he could make the public believe that aliens are here.

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<v Speaker 1>After Vallet calls that idea pretty far fetched. Sandler speculates

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<v Speaker 1>that the US government has decided it was time to

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<v Speaker 1>get closer to the Soviets and that a claim of

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<v Speaker 1>UFO news could be a convenient excuse to talk. He elaborates,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the planet has got to be united against

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<v Speaker 1>external threat, all that iron mountain stuff. Ballet closes the

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<v Speaker 1>entries saying that Emmenager leaves the Halem and landing actually happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he was advised by five sociologists quote he's

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<v Speaker 1>hiring unquote that the way to avoid panic, in Emmenager's words,

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<v Speaker 1>is to emphasize the aliens resemblance with humans and to

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<v Speaker 1>minimize our physical differences in the mind of the public.

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<v Speaker 1>Adding to the intrigue is a segment of Valet's entry

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<v Speaker 1>dated June sixteen, ninety seventy four, concerning information given to

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<v Speaker 1>him over dinner at the Lake and Restaurant by CIA

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<v Speaker 1>insider Christopher Kit. Green Kit told me about Sandler, Yes

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<v Speaker 1>something's going on with the Pentagon. No, we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>Valet to warn Heinek. Everything's just fine, he was told

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<v Speaker 1>when he made inquiries. More puzzle, more obfuscation. Charles Lear

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<v Speaker 1>is the author of The Flying Saucer Investigators in its

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<v Speaker 1>second edition on Amazon dot com. Thank you,