Speaker 1: Hi everyone. I'm releasing this in our usual spot on
Speaker 1: Tuesday night because our guests had to be moved to Thursday.
Speaker 1: So now Thursday we have a doubleheader in both NASA
Speaker 1: people Mike Gold at eight pm and also Greg Martin's
Speaker 1: at nine pm, So check that out. That will be
Speaker 1: released as a regular podcast and on YouTube as well
Speaker 1: in other platforms. So I'm going to read an audio
Speaker 1: blog by Charles Lear. It's called The Mystery of UFO's Past,
Speaker 1: Present and Future. This isn't exactly a usual audio blog
Speaker 1: by Charles Lear. It's part of an actual excerpt from
Speaker 1: his book Coming Up, a series of books, The Investigators.
Speaker 1: While Jay allen Hinik was bringing The Invisible College into
Speaker 1: the open, he became involved with a documentary that has
Speaker 1: Rod Serling as its main host, along with Burgess, Meredith,
Speaker 1: Jose Ferrera, and Jacques Valet. The movie makes a compelling
Speaker 1: argument that UFO should be taken seriously and includes appearances
Speaker 1: by former Bluebook heads Robert Friend and Hector Quintinella. In
Speaker 1: its release in nineteen seventy four, it was titled UFO's Past,
Speaker 1: Present and Future, which was changed to UFOs. It has
Speaker 1: begun for its release in nineteen seventy six and in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Besides being informative and entertaining and preserving
Speaker 1: a bit of UFO history for future researchers, the story
Speaker 1: behind its production has become part of UFO history as well,
Speaker 1: as Its producers were reportedly misled by the Pentagon into
Speaker 1: believing they would receive classified footage of a UFO landing
Speaker 1: at Hallaman Air Force Base in May of nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: The footage was described as showing a meeting between the
Speaker 1: UFO occupants and Air Force officials. According to the producer,
Speaker 1: main writer and composer Robert Emmenager, it was going to
Speaker 1: be the finale of the documentary until the DoD withdrew
Speaker 1: the offer at the last minute. Robert Emmenager was interviewed
Speaker 1: by Mel Fabergas in two thousand and nine. According to him,
Speaker 1: he and Alan Sandler had originally set out to produce
Speaker 1: a series of films about advanced military technology, but they
Speaker 1: were diverted by an intriguing piece of information offered by
Speaker 1: their military contact at Norton Air Force Base, Paul Chartel. Chartel,
Speaker 1: security manager and chief Requirements for the Audio visual program
Speaker 1: at the base said that he had seen a film
Speaker 1: of an alien craft landing at Holloman Air Force Base
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one. As discussions about possible projects continued,
Speaker 1: the idea that one of them would be about UFOs
Speaker 1: came up and was encouraged by military officials who offered
Speaker 1: the producers the use of the footage. Emma Nager and
Speaker 1: Sandler decided to go ahead with a UFO documentary, and
Speaker 1: the film was made. Watching the film the cooperation of
Speaker 1: the DoD as a parent besides the appearance of two
Speaker 1: former Bluebook directors, Former Air Force public Information officer for
Speaker 1: Project Bluebook, Colonel William Coleman, describes the military's involvement with
Speaker 1: UFOs While walking through the Inner Ring of the Pentagon.
Speaker 1: Robert Friend seems particularly pro UFO as he tells of
Speaker 1: a bizarre contact tee case involving a Naval intelligence officer
Speaker 1: who was investigating it, going into a trance and channeling
Speaker 1: a group of aliens. According to Friend, the aliens produced
Speaker 1: a line disc for the officers fellow investigators on request.
Speaker 1: Friend is later seen interviewing the four Army Reserve crew
Speaker 1: member who was involved in the coin helicopter incident. What
Speaker 1: should be of interest to historians is a discussion among j.
Speaker 1: Allen Heinik, Robert Friend, Hector Quintinella, and al Chopp. Al
Speaker 1: Chopp was a press liaison at the Pentagon who dealt
Speaker 1: with UFO inquiries and was in the radar room during
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifty two UFO flap in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: They all give their speculations on what might be behind
Speaker 1: the UFO mystery, ranging from Heinez's interdimensional theory to CHOP's
Speaker 1: belief that creatures from other planets are visiting Earth. Quintinella,
Speaker 1: who was infamous as a hardened skeptic and debunker during
Speaker 1: his time at Blue Book, says that he believes et
Speaker 1: is out there. At the end of the film is
Speaker 1: an illustrated sequence that it is described by Rod Serling
Speaker 1: as an event that might happen in the future or
Speaker 1: perhaps could have happened already. It shows the purported landing
Speaker 1: at the meeting. According to Emmenager, this was based on
Speaker 1: the film footage that was promised by the Air Force
Speaker 1: just before the illustrated sequences in eight seconds of what
Speaker 1: Chartel and Emenager claimed on the nineteen eighty eight television
Speaker 1: show UFO Cover Up Live is footage of the UFO
Speaker 1: descending before it landed. During his interview with Fabrogres, Emmenager
Speaker 1: begins by giving his background, which seems to offer credence
Speaker 1: to his being offered film footage that would most likely
Speaker 1: be highly classified. According to him, he was the creative
Speaker 1: director at Gray Advertising Company, which had done work for
Speaker 1: the Nixon administration. Emmenager brings up his and Sandler's earlier
Speaker 1: relationship with the US government, saying that they had made
Speaker 1: a film for the Navy to help sailors recognize an
Speaker 1: alcohol problem, and had also made a series of promos
Speaker 1: in support of public funding for NASA's space Shuttle program.
Speaker 1: He says he was a friend of Nixon's Chief of Staff,
Speaker 1: Bob Haldeman, and that he Emmenager received a letter from
Speaker 1: Nixon asking for names of people he'd recommend to be
Speaker 1: part of Nixon's administration. After giving the background information, Emmenager
Speaker 1: goes into the details of how the DoD's offer of
Speaker 1: the film footage came about. He says that Chartel took
Speaker 1: him and Sandler into a quote clean room, which is
Speaker 1: a room free of mike's and cameras, and told them
Speaker 1: about the Hollomann film and how it had been sent
Speaker 1: to Norton. According to him, Chartel said that if they
Speaker 1: were interested, they should talk to a certain captain, and
Speaker 1: Emmenager doesn't recall the name who would put them in
Speaker 1: touch with the Pentagon. According to Emmenager, he and Sandler
Speaker 1: visited the Pentagon repeatedly and never signed, in which he
Speaker 1: had also been the case at Norton. He speculates that
Speaker 1: this was for the purpose of plausible deniability. He says
Speaker 1: they met with Colonel William Coleman, who okayed the use
Speaker 1: of the film and told them that the Air Force
Speaker 1: would sponsor the documentary. This was, according to Emmenager, for
Speaker 1: the purpose of improving public relations with the military in
Speaker 1: the aftermath of the Vietnam War. Emmenager says there were
Speaker 1: production meetings at the Pentagon where no one questioned the
Speaker 1: section of the script dealing with the Holman case. He said,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it, but I said, oh well, and
Speaker 1: went along with it. According to Emmenager, after a long wait,
Speaker 1: Coleman told the producers that the climate created by the
Speaker 1: Watergate scandal made it inappropriate at that time to release
Speaker 1: the Holman footage. The movie was finished and released in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, and the illustrated sequence was used in
Speaker 1: place of the Holman film. It's quite a story, but
Speaker 1: the main source is Emmenager. One might dismiss it if
Speaker 1: there were any doubts as to Emmenegue's credibility, But as
Speaker 1: with many UFO tales, there is a twist which came
Speaker 1: about in nineteen eighty eight with a television show UFO
Speaker 1: Cover Up hosted live by Mike Ferrell. Near the beginning
Speaker 1: of the program, Coleman and friend appear and Coleman tells
Speaker 1: of being in a B twenty five while chasing a
Speaker 1: seventy foot disc over Alabama in nineteen fifty five. Later,
Speaker 1: just after the forty six minute mark, after talking with
Speaker 1: William Moore, Stanton Freeman, and Jesse Marcel Junior about Roswell,
Speaker 1: Ferrell walks over to sit down with Emmenager and Chartel.
Speaker 1: Emmenager tells the story of how Chartel brought up the
Speaker 1: Holman film, and then Farrell ASTs, what did you see,
Speaker 1: mister Chartel. Chartel describes seeing three disc shaped craft. According
Speaker 1: to him, one seemed to be having problems and it
Speaker 1: landed while the other two left. He says that three
Speaker 1: aliens came out, at which point a chuckle escapes from
Speaker 1: Farrell as yes, what did they look like? Chartell describes
Speaker 1: them this way, While they were human size, had an
Speaker 1: odd gray complexion and a pronounced nose. They wore tight
Speaker 1: fitting jumpsuits, thin headdresses that appeared to be communication devices,
Speaker 1: and in their hand they held a translator. I was
Speaker 1: told a Hallman base commander and other Air Force officials
Speaker 1: went out to meet them. Emmeneger tells Farrell, well, although
Speaker 1: the Pentagon had been very very cooperative all the way,
Speaker 1: at the last minute, the film was confiscated and we
Speaker 1: lost the whole finale of our show. He says that
Speaker 1: what he saw and heard convinced him that the UFO
Speaker 1: phenomenon was real. Pharaoh asked Chartell what he was told
Speaker 1: by his superiors, and Chartel tells him that he was
Speaker 1: told the film was theatrical footage purchased by the Air
Speaker 1: Force to me make a training film. Pharrell suggests that
Speaker 1: this is plausible, a plausible explanation, and Chartel tells him
Speaker 1: that his job was to keep in accurate records of
Speaker 1: such purchases and that he didn't have one for the
Speaker 1: footage in question. The twist in the story is that
Speaker 1: the UFO cover up live has also become part of
Speaker 1: UFO history because of the involvement of Richard Doty, a
Speaker 1: self proclaimed CIA trained Air Force Office of Special Investigations
Speaker 1: disinformation agent. Doty is the face of the movie poster
Speaker 1: for the twenty thirteen documentary Miraje Men, where he admits
Speaker 1: and claims he was the key player starting in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty in the AFOSI disinformation operation, primarily targeting APRO members
Speaker 1: Paul Benowitz and William Moore, who participated, according to him
Speaker 1: and Dody, along with investigative journalists and DOCTUS minary filmmaker
Speaker 1: Linda Moulton Howe. Doty appears on the show in a
Speaker 1: shadow with his voice disguise, identified as a government insider
Speaker 1: with the code named Falcon. He denies it with him,
Speaker 1: but in his distinctive classes in vocal inflections say otherwise,
Speaker 1: and informs the viewing audience that the US is housing
Speaker 1: an alien guest that likes ancient Tibetan music and strawberry
Speaker 1: ice cream. As far as this writer can find, Alan
Speaker 1: Sandler has never publicly commented on the documentary or the
Speaker 1: validity of Emmenager's claims. As for his involvement with any
Speaker 1: sort of intelligence organization, there is one that is definite.
Speaker 1: He was a producer as part of the Sandler Burns
Speaker 1: Marmer productions of Lancelot Link Secret Chimp, a show he
Speaker 1: describes as like a Get Smart with an entire cast
Speaker 1: of chimps. Emmenaga worked on the show as the composer.
Speaker 1: Both men were also involved in the creation of several
Speaker 1: B grade science fiction movies produced by Sandler Institutional Films,
Speaker 1: so their nature of their creative involvement puts their background
Speaker 1: in this writer's mind in a less serious light than
Speaker 1: that portrayed by Emmenager when talking about Holloman. While it
Speaker 1: might seem likely that Emmenager made up the story, why
Speaker 1: would Chartel back him in front of a television audience
Speaker 1: if the story is true? Does the DoD actually have
Speaker 1: footage of aliens and their craft? Or do they just
Speaker 1: say they did? And if so, for what purpose? As
Speaker 1: it turns out, Sandler did address these sorts of questions
Speaker 1: privately with Valet, who made several journal entries during his
Speaker 1: and heinez involvement with the production. In the May twenty five,
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four, Entry and Forbidden Science Too. Jacques Valet
Speaker 1: recounts a discussion at Emmenager's house between him, Emmenager, and Sandler,
Speaker 1: with Highnick sitting silent while smoking his pipe. According to Valet,
Speaker 1: Sandler said he was hired to make routine documentaries on
Speaker 1: cancer treatment by radiation and brain computer linkage. This was
Speaker 1: a pet project of doctor Joseph call Robinette Lichnerer, who
Speaker 1: was head of the Advanced Research Project Agency's information processing office.
Speaker 1: Sandler told Valet that the client told him, in Valet's words,
Speaker 1: to include a UFO film in the series. To his astonishment.
Speaker 1: Sandler said they started interviewing military people and were followed
Speaker 1: everywhere by a real down to earth and jovial fellow
Speaker 1: who said he worked for what could be thought as
Speaker 1: as the internal spies of the Air Force, which Valet
Speaker 1: identifies that of the Office of Special Investigations. Note that
Speaker 1: Doughty was not at the AFO SI at this time.
Speaker 1: Valet asked if Sandler thought they were being used, and
Speaker 1: Emenager replied, of course, but what are they using us for.
Speaker 1: He speculates that Nixon might be using disclosure as a
Speaker 1: desperate way to stay in power in spite of Watergate.
Speaker 1: Sandler added that Nixon could declare a state of emergency
Speaker 1: if he could make the public believe that aliens are here.
Speaker 1: After Vallet calls that idea pretty far fetched. Sandler speculates
Speaker 1: that the US government has decided it was time to
Speaker 1: get closer to the Soviets and that a claim of
Speaker 1: UFO news could be a convenient excuse to talk. He elaborates,
Speaker 1: you know, the planet has got to be united against
Speaker 1: external threat, all that iron mountain stuff. Ballet closes the
Speaker 1: entries saying that Emmenager leaves the Halem and landing actually happened,
Speaker 1: and that he was advised by five sociologists quote he's
Speaker 1: hiring unquote that the way to avoid panic, in Emmenager's words,
Speaker 1: is to emphasize the aliens resemblance with humans and to
Speaker 1: minimize our physical differences in the mind of the public.
Speaker 1: Adding to the intrigue is a segment of Valet's entry
Speaker 1: dated June sixteen, ninety seventy four, concerning information given to
Speaker 1: him over dinner at the Lake and Restaurant by CIA
Speaker 1: insider Christopher Kit. Green Kit told me about Sandler, Yes
Speaker 1: something's going on with the Pentagon. No, we don't want
Speaker 1: Valet to warn Heinek. Everything's just fine, he was told
Speaker 1: when he made inquiries. More puzzle, more obfuscation. Charles Lear
Speaker 1: is the author of The Flying Saucer Investigators in its
Speaker 1: second edition on Amazon dot com. Thank you,