Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with a testimony given by the
NYPD detective to the Maxwell grand jury in New York.
And when it comes to the grand jury testimony, a
lot of it's going to sound repetitive. And that's the
whole entire point, and that's why people were warning that
the grand jury material wasn't going to really reveal all
that much. But I think it's important that the record
is complete. So let's dive back in question from what
Redacted told you? Did Maxwell encourage Redacted to accept Epstein's
financial help? Answer yes. Question when Redacted moved to New
York City, who is she living with? Answer? She lived
with her mother and her brother in Redacted's apartment. Question
did Epstein help pay for a rent? Answer? Yes, he did.
Question during that year her senior year in high school,
when she was in New York City? Did Redacted remain
in contact with Epstein? Answer yes. Question what was the
nature of their contact like during that time period? Answer?
During this time he was still sexually abusing her. Question
did that continue to occur at his townhouse? In Manhattan
that year. Answer yes, it did. Question what happened at
the end of her senior year of high school? Answer
she moved to Los Angeles to pursue a career in acting.
Question did she get a job as an actress when
she turned eighteen? Answer she did. Answer or question has
redacted lived in LA and worked as an actress on
television ever since? Then? Answer yes. Question after she moved
to Los Angeles, did she continue being in touch with Epstein?
Answer for a short period of time. Question did she
ultimately break contact with him? Answer yes, she did. Question
is redacted currently pursuing a civil lawsuit against Maxwell and
Epstein's estate? Answer yes. Question have you talked with redacted
about whether, when she was a teenage girl and all
of this stuff was happening, whether she told anyone that
she was being sexually abused? Answer yes, She said she
didn't tell anyone. She felt like she couldn't. She the
nothing was talked about outside of that room, so it
made it so that she couldn't talk about it. And
then she also her mother is a Middle Easterner, and
her mother raised that woman are supposed to do as
they're told, even if someone's beating you. When she was
thirteen and her father passed, she went to a guidance
councilor at school to talk about it, and her mother
found out about it and smacked her. She felt like
she couldn't talk about it to anyone. Question did Redacted's
mother encourage her to accept Epstein's financial assistance? Answer yes
she did. Question have you become aware that in two
thousand and five, police officers from Palm Beach Police Department
executed a search warran at Epstein's house at Elbrio Way
address in Palm Beach. Answer yes. Question have you reviewed
some of the materials seized during the search? Answer yes.
Question did they find massage and sex toys? Answer yes
they did. Question did they find any photographs of redacted?
Answer yes. Question was one of the photographs signed by redacted?
Answer yes it was. Question did it say redacted? Answer yes.
Question during your interview with redacted? Did Redacted tell you
how she felt about Epstein and Maxwell in the nineties
when she was a young girl. Answer she did. She
expressed that she felt like they loved her, she felt
like they were her family, that they supported her, and
that they felt like she was made to feel like
that she was needed to be grateful to them. Question Okay,
did she tell you that she felt like they were
trying to help her? Answer yes. Question have you talked
with redacted about how she feels about this now? Answer yes.
Question what was Redacted's demeanor like when she described to
you what Epstein and Maxwell had done to her? Answer
she was upset. She recognized that now it's affected her
life to a great degree. He struggled in relationships with
opening up to people and trusting people, both personal and
professional relationships. Did she tell you that she struggled to
tell anyone about what happened to her for most of
her adulthood? Answer yes. Question when was the first time
that you interviewed redacted? Answer last fall. Question was that
the first time that she ever reported this to law enforcement?
Answer yes it was. Question Now you testified earlier about
your interview with redacted? Who worked at Epstein's pom Beach house.
Did he remember a girl name redacted coming to the
house during that time? Answer yes he did. Question did
he recall redacted, Maxwell, and Epstein meeting in the pom
Beach house together? Answer yes. Question what was his understanding
of why redacted was there? Answer he thought that Epstein
was helping her. That's what Epstein had told him, and
Redacted had told him that Epstein was helping her. Question
did he ever observe Epstein interacting with her physically? Answer yes,
question what did he see? Answer he saw Epstein kiss
Redact his cheek and pat her on the bottom. Question
did he have any knowledge about what was happening with
Epstein or Maxwell when he wasn't present? Answer he didn't.
Question did Redacted ever recall picking up Redacted from the house?
Answer yes. Question and when he would pick her up
from her house, would he then bring her back to
the Palm Beach house? Answer yes. Question did he remember
who in general would tell him to pick her up
from the house? Answer Maxwell would be the one to
tell him to pick her up. Question did he recall
ever driving Redacted to the movies? Answer yes. Question what
did he tell you about that? Answer? That would usually
be Epstein, Maxwell, and Redacted. They would go to the
movies and it would usually be late at night. Question
did he tell you about what his memory was about
how old Redacted was? Answer? He said she was young
and that he knew that because he picked her up
from school, and that he knew she was too young
to drive. Question switching gears. I want to talk to
you about a different aspect of your interview with Redacted
based on what he told about his job duties. Were
there ever times where he would have to clean Epstein's
massage room? Answer yes, question what did he tell you
about that? Answer he said that he found sex toys
in the massage room and that he had to wash
them afterwards. Question aside from those experiences, was he aware
if there was any sex toys in the house? Answer yes,
there was a basket of sex toys that were kept
in Maxwell's closet. Question did Redacted stop working for Epstein
in approximately two thousand and two? Answer yes. Question was
he told you was being replaced? Answer yes. Question and
was he generally aware that the person replaced him with
was much younger? Answer yes. Question did Redacted tell you
that a few months after he left working for Epstein
he became suicidal because of the issues in his marriage?
Answer yes. Question did he tell you that he went
to Epstein's house and tried to take Epstein's gun? Answer
yes he did. Question did he tell you that it's
worth several thousand dollars? Answer yes. Question did Epstein discover
this and confront him about it? Answer yes he did.
Question did a Redacted admit to Epstein and the police
what he had done? Answer yes. Question did Epstein also
tell the police his gun was missing? Answer yes. Question
were there any charges filed? Answer no. Question was he
ever arrested? Answer I don't believe so. Question And did
Epstein pursue any charges about the incident? Answer no, he
didn't pursue anything. Question have you interviewed one of Epstein's
former pilots? Answer yes. Question is that pilot named David Rogers?
Answer yes. Question was he one of the pilots for
Epstein's private jet in the nineteen nineties? Answer yes. Question
did he remember Redacted traveling on the jet in the nineties?
Answer he remembered traveling, but he didn't remember specifics. Question, so,
just to be clear, is your testimony that he didn't
remember the specific dates of the flights, but he remembered
her traveling on the jet during the nineties? Answer yes.
Question And did he remember Redacted specifically as a person
who traveled answer yes. Question did you discuss with them
the flight records that we talked about earlier? That list
a person name or adacted as a passenger. Answer yes.
Question did he have a specific memory of those exact flights?
Answer no. Question, but he was aware of any other
Redacted flying on the jet besides Redacted in the nineties,
answer no, no other Redacted at that time. Question. Earlier,
when we were looking at Interlokean attendance records for the
summer ninety four, you noted that Redacted was one of
the names on the record. Is that right? Answer yes,
question is that redacted? Answer yes? Question have you interviewed
or redacted? Answer yes, I have question. Did he tell
you that he remembered Redacted talking that summer at the
camp about having met Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes. Question did
he tell you that he remembered Redacted going over to
Epstein's house in Palm Beach when they were in high school?
Answer yes. Question Did he remember that Redacted would often
talk about spending time with Maxwell and Epstein during this time?
Answer yes. Question Did he remember Redacted telling him they
when they were in high school about at least one
trip to New York City that she took with Epstein?
Answer yes. Question did he remember Redacted describing Epstein's townhouse
in Manhattan. Answer yes. Question and does he remember redacted
talking often about Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes. Question now, based
on your interview with redacted, did he tell you whether
he knew back then, when they were in high school,
whether redacted was being sexually abused by Epstein? Answer he
didn't know back then. Question did redacted ever meet Glenn Maxwell?
Answer yes, he did. Question what do you remember about that? Answer?
He remembered Epstein, Maxwell and Redacted being near a movie
theater and he was approximately sixteen at the time, and
redacted would have been fifteen, and just a little bit
of the interaction they had. And then after that, Redacted
had told him that Maxwell had said something to the
effect of, I could teach redacted a thing or two.
Question is that something that he remembers redacted telling him
back then that Maxwell had said? Answer yes. Question during
the course of this investigation, have you participated in any
interview with an individual name redacted? Answer yes. Question, So
for today's purposes, I'm just going to refer to her
as redacted. How many times have you referred to verbatim redacted?
Answer approximately twice, misredacted, excuse me, question how many times
have you interviewed redacted? Answer approximately twice. Question now does
redacted no redacted? Have they ever met before? As far
as you know? Answer as far as I know, no.
Question Turning to the next slide, are these photographs of redacted?
When she was in high school? Answer yes? Question and
is her birth date redacted? Answer yes? Question when redacted
was approximately sixteen and a junior in high school? Where
was she living? Answer she was living and redacted with
her mother. Question does she have any siblings? Answer and
older sister? Question what does her sister do? Answer her
older sister lived worked for Epstein? Question Where did you
work for Epstein? Answer here in New York? Question did
there come a time in approximately December nineteen ninety five
when Redacted had a phone conversation with her sister about
traveling to New York City? Answer yes. Question what did
they discuss? Answer? They discussed her coming to New York
and meeting Epstein. Question what did her sister tell her
about why she should meet Epstein? Answer she said that
she could help with her college. Question and did she
say does his sister say whether the sister wanted her
to meet Epstein? Or did she say whether Epstein wanted
to meet the sister. Answer Epstein wanted to meet the sister. Now,
let me pause here. You testified that this happened in
approximately December of ninety five. Just for context, the years
that we're talking about with redacted, was that ninety four
through ninety seven? Answer yes, question, so is this approximately
the same time period while what you described redacted telling
you what happened? Answer yes. All right, folks, We're gonna
wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing
with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
All of the information that goes with this episode can
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
we're gonna get right back to that NYPD detective and
his grand Jerry testimony in the case of Glenn Maxwell
in New York. So, in January of ninety six, did
redacted fly on a commercial airline to New York City
to spend the weekend with her sister and meet Jeffrey Epstein?
Answer yes, question did she tell you that? Answer yes.
Question During the trip, did redact to tell you that
she met Epstein at his townhouse in New York City?
Answer yes, she did. Question did she tell you that
Epstein discussed her plans for college applications and offered to
help her? Answer yes, Question what was redacted's first impression
of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? She was very impressed by him.
Question what did she what was her impression based on
this conversation of what Epstein was going to do for her?
Answer that he was going to help her with her
future plans for college. Question During that trip to New
York City, did she stay at Epstein's townhouse or at
her sister's apartment? Answer her sister's apartment. Question during that trip,
did she tell you that she saw Epstein a second
time when he took her and her sister to the movies?
Answer yes. Question what did she tell you happened at
the movies? Answer? She said that they were sitting in
the theater and Epstein was between redacted and her sister
and Epstein put his hands on her leg, he rubbed
her arm and held her hands, held hands with her.
And obviously they're talking about Annie Farmer right here, and
this is exactly what Annie told us in her testimony
during the Glenn Maxwell trial. Question from what she told you,
what was her impression about whether her sister could see
what was going on? Answer she felt like her sister
couldn't see. Question what was her reaction to this happening?
Answer she was uncomfortable. Question after the movie, did she
tell her sister what had happened? Answer? No, she didn't.
Question did she say why not? Answer she said that
she knew redacted her sister really liked Epstein and that
Epstein could help them, so she didn't tell them. Question
after the trip, did redacted go back home to redacted?
Answer yes? Question did Epstein contact her afterwards? Answer yes.
Question did he discuss with her her ongoing college plans?
Answer yes he did. Question did he invite her for
a weekend at his ranch in New Mexico in the
spring of nineteen ninety six? Answer yes. Question was she
sixteen at the time? Answer yes, she was. Question from
what she told you? What was Redacti's impression of who
would be on the trip in New Mexico? Answer? Well,
she knew Maxwell would be there. Question did she well
she told someone else was going to be present during
the trip? Answer she said that there would be like
other students, her kids her age? Question and what was
her understanding of who these other kids were and why
they would be there. Sorry, let me rephrase. You testified
that she was told that on this trip there would
be other students. Was she under the impression that there
would be other students like her on the trip who
were also being mentored by Epstein? Answer yes. Question, Now
you testify just a moment ago, that she was also
told that Maxwell would be there. Are you referring to
Gallaine Maxwell? Answer yes. Question at the point that she
was told that Maxwell would be on this trip, had
she ever met Glaine Maxwell? Answer no, she hadn't. Question
had she heard her sister talk about Glaine Maxwell? Answer yes?
Question from what she described to you, how did her
expectation that Maxwell would be on the trip make her
feel about the trip? Answer it made her comfortable. Her
sister had talked highly of Maxwell. Question did a redact
to tell you that she flew to New Mexico that
spring when she was sixteen? Answer yes. Question did she
meet Glainne Maxwell when she arrived in New Mexico? Answer yes,
she did. Question how did she describe Maxwell's demeanor and
attitude when she met her? Question? She described Maxwell as
being very charming. She gave her a tour of the house,
and Maxwell took redacted shopping, which made her feel special.
Question what if she remember talking about with Glene Maxwell?
Answer they talked about school homework trips. Question. Did she
talked with her about applying to college? Answer yes. Question
did she talk about her classes in high school? Answer yes.
Question did she talk with her about the homework that
she had to do that weekend? Answer yes. Question did
she talk with Maxwell about her family? Answer yes. Question
did she talk about her home life and living with
her mother? Answer yes. Question from what redacted told you
when she got there? Who else was at the ranch
beside Gleane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? Answer it was just them.
Question Was it just the three of them the entire
time of the visit? Answer yes. Question were there any
other school kids there? Answer no? Question when they were
at the ranch? From what redacted told you? Did Maxwell
say anything to redacted about massages? Answer yes. Question did
she say anything about to her about foot massages? Answer yes.
Question what did she tell you about that? Answer? Maxwell
told her Redacted to give Epstein a foot massage and
then showed her and instructed her on how to do it.
Redacted was a little uncomfortable, but Maxwell was joking around,
so she just followed her lead. Question did a Redacted
tell you that Maxwell and Epstein took her to the
movies that weekend? Answer? Yes. Question what did she tell
you about the trip to the movies? Answer? She said
that when they went outside the theater, Maxwell was joking
around and pulled Epstein's pants down a little bit, and
then once they went inside the theater, Epstein, when they
were sitting down, touch Redacted's leg and rubbed her arm,
held her hand, and that this time he Redacted felt
he wasn't trying to hide it from Maxwell. Question What
was Redacted's reaction to all of this? Answer she was uncomfortable.
Question during the same weekend, was there another occasion when
Maxwell talked about missages? Answer? Yes, question what happened? Answer?
And Maxwell had asked Redacted if she had ever had
a massage, and Maxwell told her that she could give
her one. So Redacted was on her back and Maxwell
pulled the sheet down, exposing her chest. She was nude
from the top up and proceeded to massage around her
chest and breast area. Question from what Redacted told you
when she was describing to you? What you just described
to the Grand Jerry. How did she feel when this
was happening? Answer she felt really uncomfortable. Question did redacted
also tell you about an incident that happened on the
morning when she was in New Mexico? Answer yes. Question
what did she tell you happened? Answer she said she
was in bed and Epstein came into the room and
told her that he wanted to cuddle, so he lay
down next to her and spooned her. She told him
that she had to go to the bathroom to get
out of the situation. Question what was her reaction to
that when Epstein got into bed with her? Answer she
felt uncomfortable. She didn't know what to do. Question did
or adacted go back home to redacted when the weekend
was over? Answer? Yes she did. Question did she tell
anyone when she got home about what happened? Answer no.
Question is that for the same reason you described earlier?
Answer yes. Question did Epstein end up paying for Redacted
to go on a trip to Thailand that summer? Answer yes.
Question did Redacted have any contact with Maxwell or Epstein
after that trip? Answer not that she recalled. Question when
you interviewed or redacted, what was her demeanor like when
she described her interactions with Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. Answer,
she became upset and emotional. Question is redacted currently pursuing
a civil lawsuit against Maxwell and Epstein's estate? Answer as
she is. Question what does redacted do for a living now?
Answer she's a psychologist who works with trauma victims. Question
during the course of this investigation, have you interviewed someone
named or adacted? Answer yes. Question For today's purposes, I'm
just going to refer to her as redacted. How many
times have you interviewed redacted? Approximately? Answer approximately three times.
Question turning to the next slide, is this a photograph
of redacted that she provided to you? Answer yes. Question
and did she tell you that this was taken when
she was in approximately sixteen or seventeen years old? Answer yes.
Question is redacted's date of birth? Redacted? Answer yes? Question
did it redacted grow up in England? Answer yes, she did.
Question did she tell you that there came a point
where she met Maxwell when she was about seventeen? Answer yes.
Question how did she tell you that they met? Answer
she said they met through a mutual friend. Question did
she tell you that this would have happened in around
ninety four or ninety five. Answer yes, question, and is
that within the same time period that we've been talking
about today. Answer yes. Question What happened after she was
introduced to Glenne Maxwell from what she told you? Answer
she said Maxwell treated her like they were sisters. Her
quote was like naughty schoolgirls? Is how Maxwell treated with her?
Question did she tell you that Maxwell seemed to immediately
take an interest in her? Answer yes, question. Did she
tell you that they began spending time together in London?
Answer yes question, And just to be clear, was Maxwell
in her thirties while this was happening. Answer yes, question
that Maxwell did redacted ever remember Maxwell ever talking about
having a boyfriend named Jeffrey Epstein. Answer yes, What did
she tell you about that? Answer? Maxwell told redacted that
Epstein was going to like her. Question Did there ever
come a time when she was seventeen that described that
Maxwell has reduced her to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes, question,
how did she describe that occurring? Answer? Epstein had flown
into London. He was at Maxwell's residence in London and
Maxwell had called or redact it over, so redacted when
and when she got there? Maxwell was saying to Epstein,
kind of the words Redacted used was giving him a
resume of her attributes, saying she's so pretty, she's so strong,
and that Maxwell asked her to give Epstein a massage. Question,
now you've testified just a moment ago that Maxwell that
Redacted described to you that Maxwell asked her to give
Epstein a massage during the first meeting. Is that correct? Answer? Yes?
Question did Maxwell stay to her and some in substance,
since you're so strong, I'd appreciate it if you'd give
Jeffrey a massage because he needs a massage every day,
or I get in trouble. Answer yes, she said that.
Question Is that what Redacted said to you and some
in substance? Answer yes. Question when that happened? Did Redacted
remember Maxwell leading her to a room in the house?
Answer yes. Question when Redacted went into the room, what happened?
Answer When Redacted went into the room, Epstein was in
a robe, off his robe and she started massaging him,
and then he touched Redacted and pulled her hand to
his penis. Question what does Redacted remember Epstein saying when
he did this? Answer don't be frigid. Question what was
her reaction to this happening from what she told you?
Answer she was taken aback by it. Question when this
episode ended and Redacted left the room, did she tell
you that she remembered Maxwell being just outside the room
where she just left. Answer yes. Question did she remember
Maxwell saying to her? Did you have fun? Did you
like it? Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell calling
her several days afterward or at some point of time afterwards?
Answer yes she did. Question did Redacted remember Maxwell saying
to her on the phone call and summon substance, well
aren't you a clever girl? Jeffrey was very impressed? Answer yes.
Question shortly after this incident, does she remember Maxwell asking
her to come back over to the house. Answer yes.
And when she got there, did she tell you she
remembered Maxwell saying to her in substance, thank god you're here.
If it's not you or someone else, it falls to me.
Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell bringing her upstairs
to the house on that occasion? Answer yes she did.
Question what does she remember happening when Maxwell opened the
door of the room, answer Epstein was standing there naked.
Question does she remember Maxwell then saying I'll leave you guys?
To it. Answer yes, all right, folks, we're gonna wrap
up right here and in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
All of the information that goes with this episode can
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
we're gonna dive right back in to the testimony given
by the NYPD detective give in to the Glenn Maxwell
grand Jerry in New York. Question after these first two encounters,
did EPs and Maxwell invite Redacted to travel with them
to Palm Beach, US, Virgin Islands, Paris, and New York
for the next several years? Answer? Yes, they did. Question
does she remember whether these trips began before or after
her eighteenth birthday? Answer she couldn't remember specifically. Question, but
before these trips started, you were describing earlier when Redacted
told you about the same time that she spent with
Maxwell when they first met when she was seventeen. Is
that right? Answer yes. Question during these conversations when she
would spend time with Maxwell, did Redacted remember talking with
her about her life, her family, and her personal circumstances
with Maxwell. Answer yes. Question now you testified a moment
ago that redacted told you that at some point she
began traveling with Maxwell and Epstein, and she wasn't sure
whether or not these trips started before she turned eighteen?
Is that right? Answer yes. Question did redacted describe to
you that Epstein sexually abused her during these trips, typically
in the context of a sexualized massage. Answer yes, he did.
Question did Epstein give her money? Answer yes, he did.
Question did she tell you that he would give her cash?
Answer yes. Question did she describe to you that the
abuse included, among other things, Epstein groping her and using
a massage or device on her genitals? Answer yes. Question
and was the massage or device like a vibrator? Answer yes,
it was. Question from what redacta told you? Was Maxwell
in the room during these encounters? Answer? Maxwell wasn't in
the room? Question what did she tell you would typically
happen when redacted left the room after these episodes? Was
Maxwell typically nearby? Answer? Yes, she was usually right near
the room. Question does she remember Maxwell asking her after
she'd leave the room from one of these sessions? How
was it? Is he happy? Answer yes? Question did she
also tell you that she remembers Maxwell telling her at
some point, and so in substance, you know how he
is when he's not happy, and you know what makes
him happy. He has to have sex all the time.
He's like a superhero. Answer yes, she said that. Question
did Redacted tell you about an incident that occurred after
she turned eighteen in Palm Beach when she was staying
at the pom Beach House. Answer yes. Question did the
incident she described to you involved a school girl outfit?
Answer yes, it did. Question could you please describe for
the grand jury what redacta told you about that incident? Answer?
Redacted said that Maxwell had shown her a bedroom and
upon the bed was a school girl outfit. Maxwell had
told her when Redacted had confronted her about it, and
Maxwell said, well, I thought it would be adorable if
you gave Jeffrey his tea in this so Redacted felt
like she had to put it on, and so she
put it on, took Epstein's tea, and Epstein smacked her
on the butt and reached under the skirt and touched her.
Question what was her demeanor like when she described the
incident into you? Answer she was crying. She was very upset.
Question When Redacted describes seeing the schoolgirl outfit and talking
to Maxwell about it, did she remember Maxwell telling her,
don't be so frigid? Answer yes. Question Does she remember
that later in the day after she had delivered Epstein's
tea and he assaulted her. Does she remember Maxwell telling
her I heard you did well? Answer yes. Question During
the years that Redacted was in contact with Maxwell and Epstein,
did she remember whether Maxwell had ever asked her if
she knew any other girls who could massage Epstein? Answer yes. Question.
Does she remember Maxwell saying and summon substance, do you
know anyone who could give him a blowjob? Today? I
don't feel like it? Answer yes. Question. Does she remember
Maxwell saying when she asked her to bring other girls
that they have to look young at least answer yes.
Question from your conversation with redacted. Did she tell you
whether or not she ever brought other girls? Answer she
didn't bring any other girls. Question did she tell you
why not? Answer she didn't want anyone else to go
through that question from your interview with redacted? Did she
tell you that there came a time when she was
in her early twenties when she stopped traveling with Maxwell
and Epstein. Answer yes. Question was she struggling with substance
abuse at that point? Answer yes, she was. Question did
she tell you that she got sober in her twenties?
Answer yes she did. Question what is her current profession?
Answer she runs a nonprofit for people who struggle with
addiction and trauma. Question did he redacted provide you with
several emails that she exchanged with Epstein in the early
two thousands? Answer yes she did. Question and were those
emails very friendly in tone? Answer yes they were. Question
what did she say to you when you talk with
her about those emails? Answer she said she didn't at
the time want to acknowledge what was going on that
looking back on it is different. Question did your squad
execute a search warrant at Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan
in July of twenty nineteen? Answer yes. Question did you
personally participate in the search of Epstein's residence? Answer yes,
I did. Question did the townhouse include a massage room?
Answer yes. Question have you yourself been in that massage room?
Answer yes, I have. Question could you please describe for
the grand jury what the massage room look like? Answer,
it was dark. It had dark draperies covering the windows.
There was a massage table, there were oils, there was
a handheld massager in there, along with handcuffs, a whip,
and along with walls were nude photographs of young females.
Question I believe you testified a moment ago that redacted
told you that there was a time when Maxwell asked
her to wear a schoolgirl outfit for Epstein when they
were in Palm Beach. Did you find the school girl
outfit in Epstein's New York townhouse? Answer yes, we did.
Question where did you find it? Answer it was found
in a room next to the massage room. Question and
to be clear, did the FBI find sex toys during
the search? Answer yes? Question what was found? Answer? Butt plugs, dildos,
and vibrators. Question we've talked about three minor girls today.
Question is that right? Answer yes? Question have you reviewed
the proposed indictment Mark Grand Jerry Exhibit one? Answer yes,
I have. Question is redacted the individual referred to as
victim one in the proposed indictment. Answer yes, question is
redacted the individual referred to as victim two in the
proposed indictment. Answer yes. Question is redacted the individual referred
to as Victim three in the indictment? Answer yes, question
sharing all of Maxwell's interactions with the victims when there
were underage girls. Based on the timeframe and your knowledge
of Maxwell's birthdate, was she in her thirties? Answer yes,
she was? Question just one moment, all right, switching gears.
Have you become aware that in or about twenty sixteen,
Maxwell gave sworn testimony in a civil deposition in connection
with the lawsuit? Answer yes. Question could you please explain
to the grand jury what is a deposition? Answer It's
a statement made under oath. Question And in the course
of civil litigation, is it common for witnesses or parties
of the lawsuit to give deposition under oath where they
testify about the substance of the case? Answer yes. Question
And is deposition testimony live and then in person and
under oath? Answer yes. Question Is a court reporter present
when a deposition takes place? Answer yes. Question. Now, before
we talk about Maxwell's deposition testimony, I want to talk
to you about the lawsuit that the testimony was about.
Have you become aware that in or about twenty fifteen,
an individual name redacted filed a lawsuit against Glanne Maxwell
here in the Southern District of New York. Answer yes, question,
and was redacted suing Maxwell for defamation? Answer? Yes, she was.
Question was the lawsuit caption redacted against Glaim Maxwell the
dock in number fifteen CB seven four to three to
three here in the Southern District of New York. Answer yes.
Question generally speaking in broader strokes, What was the lawsuit about?
What was the claim that redacted was bringing against Maxwell? Answer?
I'm sorry, what line are you on again? Redacted? Page
sixty eight, line four. Witness redacted had stated that she
had been sexually abused by Epstein and Maxwell as a miner.
Maxwell came forward publicly and called her a liar. So
redacted suitor for defamation. Questions, So, just a small legal
instruction on the topic, Ladies and gentlemen, I instruct you
that the allegation in the lawsuit are not being presented
to you as evidence that those incidents occurred. I instruct
you that you should not consider those allegations for their truth. Instead,
the circumstances of the lawsuit are being presented to you
so that you can consider the context of the case
and the circumstances under which Maxwell made statements under oath.
Turning back to the deposition, did Maxwell's deposition take place
over two different days? Answer yes, question on both days?
Does she give testimony in Manhattan? Answer yes she did.
Question is that where the deposition took place? Answer yes?
Question and on both days? Was Maxwell's sworn under oath?
Answer yes. Question if you could flip through the remaining
slides of the presentation to those slides contain true and
accurate excerpts of the transcript of that deposition? Answer yes,
question turning to the next slide. Is this the cover
page of the transcript of the first deposition that took
place on April twenty second, twenty sixteen? Answer yes, question
and does it have the case caption on it? Answer yes,
it does. Question turning to the next slide. Is this
an excerpt from the transcript? Answer yes. Question. I imagine
the grand jurors can't read it from their seats, so
if you could read it with me, I'll read the
questions and if you could read the answers, did Jeffrey
Epstein have a scheme to recruit underage girls? Four underage massages?
And it appears there was an objection from the lawyer's
question if you know answer, I don't know what you're
talking about. Question, Just to be clear, was the question
and answer? Is the answer here Maxwell's testimony? Answer? Yes. Question.
Just to be clear, you testified earlier that redacted participated
in sexualized massages with Epstein and Maxwell. Is that right?
Answer yes, question? And redacted was a miner when that occurred.
Answer yes, question. And you also testified earlier that Maxwell
that Redacted told you that Maxwell asked her to give
Epstein massages when she was a miner. Answer yes. Question.
If you could turn to the next slide, please, is
this another excerpt from the same deposition. Answer yes, it is.
Question all right, I'll read the question and you can
read the answer. Was all the people under the age
of eighteen that you interacted at with at any of
Jeffrey Epstein's properties. Answer I'm not aware of anybody that
I interacted with other than obviously redacted, who was seventeen
at this point. Question. Just to be clear, you testified
earlier about two girls under the age of eighteen who
were interacted with Maxwell at Epstein's properties. Is that correct? Answer? Yes, question,
And those individuals were redacted and redacted? Who told you that? Correct? Answer? Yes,
that's correct. Question turning to the next slide. Is this
the cover page of the transcript from the deposition that
took place on July twenty second, twenty sixteen. Answer yes,
question and again, was this Maxwell giving testimony as part
of the testimony under oath here in Manhattan? Answer yes, question,
If you could please turn to the next slide. Is
that an excerpt? Are these two excerpts from that deposition?
Answer yes, question again, I'll read the questions If you
could please read the answers. Were you aware of the
presence of sex toys or devices used in sexual activities
in mister Epstein's pom Beach house? Misredacted? There is an
objection from the lawyer. Answer no, no, not that I recall.
Question do you know whether mister Epstein possessed sex toys
or devices in sexual activities? Answer there's an objection from
the lawyer, Then the answer again, no question. Just to
be clear, you testified earlier that you told that you
found sex toys and a massager in Palm Beach, and
also that you had seen Maxwell had a basket of
sex toys in or closet there is that correct answer? Yes,
that's correct question. And is it correct you testified earlier
that Epstein used a vibrator on redacted? Is that correct? Answer? Yes,
that's correct question. And did you also testify earlier that
redacted told you did that as well? Answer? Yes, that's
correct question. And did you also testify earlier that sex
toys were found by the police in the Palm Beach
house in two thousand and five? Is that right? Answer? Yes, question?
And did you also testify earlier that the FBI found
sex toys in Epstein's New York City townhouse in twenty nineteen?
Answer yes, that's correct. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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