1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,879 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:02,879 --> 00:00:05,879 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 3 00:00:05,879 --> 00:00:08,599 where we left off with a testimony given by the 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,000 NYPD detective to the Maxwell grand jury in New York. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,280 And when it comes to the grand jury testimony, a 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,839 lot of it's going to sound repetitive. And that's the 7 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:21,800 whole entire point, and that's why people were warning that 8 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:25,679 the grand jury material wasn't going to really reveal all 9 00:00:25,719 --> 00:00:28,440 that much. But I think it's important that the record 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:34,320 is complete. So let's dive back in question from what 11 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:38,200 Redacted told you? Did Maxwell encourage Redacted to accept Epstein's 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,840 financial help? Answer yes. Question when Redacted moved to New 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,719 York City, who is she living with? Answer? She lived 14 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:49,439 with her mother and her brother in Redacted's apartment. Question 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,159 did Epstein help pay for a rent? Answer? Yes, he did. 16 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:55,159 Question during that year her senior year in high school, 17 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:58,200 when she was in New York City? Did Redacted remain 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,079 in contact with Epstein? Answer yes. Question what was the 19 00:01:02,159 --> 00:01:05,799 nature of their contact like during that time period? Answer? 20 00:01:05,879 --> 00:01:09,200 During this time he was still sexually abusing her. Question 21 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:12,359 did that continue to occur at his townhouse? In Manhattan 22 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:16,640 that year. Answer yes, it did. Question what happened at 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,879 the end of her senior year of high school? Answer 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,799 she moved to Los Angeles to pursue a career in acting. 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,560 Question did she get a job as an actress when 26 00:01:24,599 --> 00:01:29,359 she turned eighteen? Answer she did. Answer or question has 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,079 redacted lived in LA and worked as an actress on 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,519 television ever since? Then? Answer yes. Question after she moved 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,760 to Los Angeles, did she continue being in touch with Epstein? 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,079 Answer for a short period of time. Question did she 31 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,879 ultimately break contact with him? Answer yes, she did. Question 32 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,920 is redacted currently pursuing a civil lawsuit against Maxwell and 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,120 Epstein's estate? Answer yes. Question have you talked with redacted 34 00:01:57,159 --> 00:01:59,920 about whether, when she was a teenage girl and all 35 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:02,560 of this stuff was happening, whether she told anyone that 36 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:06,319 she was being sexually abused? Answer yes, She said she 37 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:10,400 didn't tell anyone. She felt like she couldn't. She the 38 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:13,439 nothing was talked about outside of that room, so it 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,319 made it so that she couldn't talk about it. And 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,199 then she also her mother is a Middle Easterner, and 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,000 her mother raised that woman are supposed to do as 42 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,319 they're told, even if someone's beating you. When she was 43 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,919 thirteen and her father passed, she went to a guidance 44 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,360 councilor at school to talk about it, and her mother 45 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:32,800 found out about it and smacked her. She felt like 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,240 she couldn't talk about it to anyone. Question did Redacted's 47 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,960 mother encourage her to accept Epstein's financial assistance? Answer yes 48 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:43,120 she did. Question have you become aware that in two 49 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:46,400 thousand and five, police officers from Palm Beach Police Department 50 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,360 executed a search warran at Epstein's house at Elbrio Way 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,199 address in Palm Beach. Answer yes. Question have you reviewed 52 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:57,479 some of the materials seized during the search? Answer yes. 53 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,120 Question did they find massage and sex toys? Answer yes 54 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:05,840 they did. Question did they find any photographs of redacted? 55 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:10,439 Answer yes. Question was one of the photographs signed by redacted? 56 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,639 Answer yes it was. Question did it say redacted? Answer yes. 57 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:19,400 Question during your interview with redacted? Did Redacted tell you 58 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,360 how she felt about Epstein and Maxwell in the nineties 59 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,719 when she was a young girl. Answer she did. She 60 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:28,199 expressed that she felt like they loved her, she felt 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,960 like they were her family, that they supported her, and 62 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,759 that they felt like she was made to feel like 63 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:38,520 that she was needed to be grateful to them. Question Okay, 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,479 did she tell you that she felt like they were 65 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:43,960 trying to help her? Answer yes. Question have you talked 66 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,680 with redacted about how she feels about this now? Answer yes. 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Question what was Redacted's demeanor like when she described to 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,319 you what Epstein and Maxwell had done to her? Answer 69 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:58,199 she was upset. She recognized that now it's affected her 70 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:01,719 life to a great degree. He struggled in relationships with 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,319 opening up to people and trusting people, both personal and 72 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:09,919 professional relationships. Did she tell you that she struggled to 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,639 tell anyone about what happened to her for most of 74 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,319 her adulthood? Answer yes. Question when was the first time 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,680 that you interviewed redacted? Answer last fall. Question was that 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,560 the first time that she ever reported this to law enforcement? 77 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:29,639 Answer yes it was. Question Now you testified earlier about 78 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:32,920 your interview with redacted? Who worked at Epstein's pom Beach house. 79 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:35,639 Did he remember a girl name redacted coming to the 80 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:39,519 house during that time? Answer yes he did. Question did 81 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,680 he recall redacted, Maxwell, and Epstein meeting in the pom 82 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,040 Beach house together? Answer yes. Question what was his understanding 83 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:50,199 of why redacted was there? Answer he thought that Epstein 84 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,079 was helping her. That's what Epstein had told him, and 85 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,240 Redacted had told him that Epstein was helping her. Question 86 00:04:56,439 --> 00:05:00,240 did he ever observe Epstein interacting with her physically? Answer yes, 87 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,480 question what did he see? Answer he saw Epstein kiss 88 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:06,439 Redact his cheek and pat her on the bottom. Question 89 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:08,800 did he have any knowledge about what was happening with 90 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,480 Epstein or Maxwell when he wasn't present? Answer he didn't. 91 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,240 Question did Redacted ever recall picking up Redacted from the house? 92 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,920 Answer yes. Question and when he would pick her up 93 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,040 from her house, would he then bring her back to 94 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:26,879 the Palm Beach house? Answer yes. Question did he remember 95 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,079 who in general would tell him to pick her up 96 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,240 from the house? Answer Maxwell would be the one to 97 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,600 tell him to pick her up. Question did he recall 98 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,160 ever driving Redacted to the movies? Answer yes. Question what 99 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,879 did he tell you about that? Answer? That would usually 100 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,120 be Epstein, Maxwell, and Redacted. They would go to the 101 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,480 movies and it would usually be late at night. Question 102 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,000 did he tell you about what his memory was about 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,879 how old Redacted was? Answer? He said she was young 104 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,160 and that he knew that because he picked her up 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,319 from school, and that he knew she was too young 106 00:06:00,319 --> 00:06:04,319 to drive. Question switching gears. I want to talk to 107 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,600 you about a different aspect of your interview with Redacted 108 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,800 based on what he told about his job duties. Were 109 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,399 there ever times where he would have to clean Epstein's 110 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:16,920 massage room? Answer yes, question what did he tell you 111 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:20,279 about that? Answer he said that he found sex toys 112 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,720 in the massage room and that he had to wash 113 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:27,759 them afterwards. Question aside from those experiences, was he aware 114 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,879 if there was any sex toys in the house? Answer yes, 115 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,639 there was a basket of sex toys that were kept 116 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,240 in Maxwell's closet. Question did Redacted stop working for Epstein 117 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,279 in approximately two thousand and two? Answer yes. Question was 118 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,759 he told you was being replaced? Answer yes. Question and 119 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,560 was he generally aware that the person replaced him with 120 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,319 was much younger? Answer yes. Question did Redacted tell you 121 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,920 that a few months after he left working for Epstein 122 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:59,720 he became suicidal because of the issues in his marriage? 123 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,199 Answer yes. Question did he tell you that he went 124 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:06,279 to Epstein's house and tried to take Epstein's gun? Answer 125 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,959 yes he did. Question did he tell you that it's 126 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,120 worth several thousand dollars? Answer yes. Question did Epstein discover 127 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:16,680 this and confront him about it? Answer yes he did. 128 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:19,920 Question did a Redacted admit to Epstein and the police 129 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:23,639 what he had done? Answer yes. Question did Epstein also 130 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,680 tell the police his gun was missing? Answer yes. Question 131 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,680 were there any charges filed? Answer no. Question was he 132 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,360 ever arrested? Answer I don't believe so. Question And did 133 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,079 Epstein pursue any charges about the incident? Answer no, he 134 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,480 didn't pursue anything. Question have you interviewed one of Epstein's 135 00:07:42,519 --> 00:07:47,240 former pilots? Answer yes. Question is that pilot named David Rogers? 136 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Answer yes. Question was he one of the pilots for 137 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,959 Epstein's private jet in the nineteen nineties? Answer yes. Question 138 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,439 did he remember Redacted traveling on the jet in the nineties? 139 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,839 Answer he remembered traveling, but he didn't remember specifics. Question, so, 140 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,399 just to be clear, is your testimony that he didn't 141 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:09,480 remember the specific dates of the flights, but he remembered 142 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,839 her traveling on the jet during the nineties? Answer yes. 143 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:17,000 Question And did he remember Redacted specifically as a person 144 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,920 who traveled answer yes. Question did you discuss with them 145 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,720 the flight records that we talked about earlier? That list 146 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:27,040 a person name or adacted as a passenger. Answer yes. 147 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:31,000 Question did he have a specific memory of those exact flights? 148 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:35,639 Answer no. Question, but he was aware of any other 149 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,039 Redacted flying on the jet besides Redacted in the nineties, 150 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:43,919 answer no, no other Redacted at that time. Question. Earlier, 151 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,799 when we were looking at Interlokean attendance records for the 152 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,000 summer ninety four, you noted that Redacted was one of 153 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,559 the names on the record. Is that right? Answer yes, 154 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,080 question is that redacted? Answer yes? Question have you interviewed 155 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,600 or redacted? Answer yes, I have question. Did he tell 156 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,399 you that he remembered Redacted talking that summer at the 157 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,200 camp about having met Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes. Question did 158 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,440 he tell you that he remembered Redacted going over to 159 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,080 Epstein's house in Palm Beach when they were in high school? 160 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,960 Answer yes. Question Did he remember that Redacted would often 161 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,840 talk about spending time with Maxwell and Epstein during this time? 162 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:26,679 Answer yes. Question Did he remember Redacted telling him they 163 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:29,840 when they were in high school about at least one 164 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:32,320 trip to New York City that she took with Epstein? 165 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,039 Answer yes. Question did he remember Redacted describing Epstein's townhouse 166 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,840 in Manhattan. Answer yes. Question and does he remember redacted 167 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:47,360 talking often about Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes. Question now, based 168 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:49,960 on your interview with redacted, did he tell you whether 169 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,519 he knew back then, when they were in high school, 170 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:56,360 whether redacted was being sexually abused by Epstein? Answer he 171 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:01,000 didn't know back then. Question did redacted ever meet Glenn Maxwell? 172 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:05,519 Answer yes, he did. Question what do you remember about that? Answer? 173 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,519 He remembered Epstein, Maxwell and Redacted being near a movie 174 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:11,679 theater and he was approximately sixteen at the time, and 175 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,240 redacted would have been fifteen, and just a little bit 176 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,440 of the interaction they had. And then after that, Redacted 177 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,519 had told him that Maxwell had said something to the 178 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:23,679 effect of, I could teach redacted a thing or two. 179 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,879 Question is that something that he remembers redacted telling him 180 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:31,720 back then that Maxwell had said? Answer yes. Question during 181 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:34,960 the course of this investigation, have you participated in any 182 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:39,639 interview with an individual name redacted? Answer yes. Question, So 183 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,679 for today's purposes, I'm just going to refer to her 184 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:47,000 as redacted. How many times have you referred to verbatim redacted? 185 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:52,360 Answer approximately twice, misredacted, excuse me, question how many times 186 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,759 have you interviewed redacted? Answer approximately twice. Question now does 187 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,600 redacted no redacted? Have they ever met before? As far 188 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,080 as you know? Answer as far as I know, no. 189 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,399 Question Turning to the next slide, are these photographs of redacted? 190 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,039 When she was in high school? Answer yes? Question and 191 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,120 is her birth date redacted? Answer yes? Question when redacted 192 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,200 was approximately sixteen and a junior in high school? Where 193 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,960 was she living? Answer she was living and redacted with 194 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:26,120 her mother. Question does she have any siblings? Answer and 195 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,840 older sister? Question what does her sister do? Answer her 196 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:33,200 older sister lived worked for Epstein? Question Where did you 197 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,559 work for Epstein? Answer here in New York? Question did 198 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,799 there come a time in approximately December nineteen ninety five 199 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:43,159 when Redacted had a phone conversation with her sister about 200 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,639 traveling to New York City? Answer yes. Question what did 201 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,759 they discuss? Answer? They discussed her coming to New York 202 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,120 and meeting Epstein. Question what did her sister tell her 203 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,480 about why she should meet Epstein? Answer she said that 204 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:01,440 she could help with her college. Question and did she 205 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,759 say does his sister say whether the sister wanted her 206 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:07,879 to meet Epstein? Or did she say whether Epstein wanted 207 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:12,440 to meet the sister. Answer Epstein wanted to meet the sister. Now, 208 00:12:12,519 --> 00:12:15,759 let me pause here. You testified that this happened in 209 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:19,440 approximately December of ninety five. Just for context, the years 210 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,679 that we're talking about with redacted, was that ninety four 211 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:27,879 through ninety seven? Answer yes, question, so is this approximately 212 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:31,600 the same time period while what you described redacted telling 213 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,840 you what happened? Answer yes. All right, folks, We're gonna 214 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,080 wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing 215 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,519 with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. 216 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,480 All of the information that goes with this episode can 217 00:12:42,519 --> 00:12:45,600 be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and 218 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,720 welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, 219 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,600 we're gonna get right back to that NYPD detective and 220 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:57,960 his grand Jerry testimony in the case of Glenn Maxwell 221 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,320 in New York. So, in January of ninety six, did 222 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,159 redacted fly on a commercial airline to New York City 223 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,600 to spend the weekend with her sister and meet Jeffrey Epstein? 224 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,039 Answer yes, question did she tell you that? Answer yes. 225 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:16,759 Question During the trip, did redact to tell you that 226 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,639 she met Epstein at his townhouse in New York City? 227 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,799 Answer yes, she did. Question did she tell you that 228 00:13:22,879 --> 00:13:26,960 Epstein discussed her plans for college applications and offered to 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,320 help her? Answer yes, Question what was redacted's first impression 230 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,080 of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? She was very impressed by him. 231 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,399 Question what did she what was her impression based on 232 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,399 this conversation of what Epstein was going to do for her? 233 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,799 Answer that he was going to help her with her 234 00:13:44,799 --> 00:13:48,679 future plans for college. Question During that trip to New 235 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:51,480 York City, did she stay at Epstein's townhouse or at 236 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,879 her sister's apartment? Answer her sister's apartment. Question during that trip, 237 00:13:57,039 --> 00:13:59,440 did she tell you that she saw Epstein a second 238 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:03,639 time when he took her and her sister to the movies? 239 00:14:03,879 --> 00:14:07,360 Answer yes. Question what did she tell you happened at 240 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,399 the movies? Answer? She said that they were sitting in 241 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,720 the theater and Epstein was between redacted and her sister 242 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:16,720 and Epstein put his hands on her leg, he rubbed 243 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:19,759 her arm and held her hands, held hands with her. 244 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:23,919 And obviously they're talking about Annie Farmer right here, and 245 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,480 this is exactly what Annie told us in her testimony 246 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:29,879 during the Glenn Maxwell trial. Question from what she told you, 247 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,879 what was her impression about whether her sister could see 248 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:35,480 what was going on? Answer she felt like her sister 249 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:39,200 couldn't see. Question what was her reaction to this happening? 250 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,080 Answer she was uncomfortable. Question after the movie, did she 251 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:45,840 tell her sister what had happened? Answer? No, she didn't. 252 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:49,279 Question did she say why not? Answer she said that 253 00:14:49,399 --> 00:14:53,080 she knew redacted her sister really liked Epstein and that 254 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,000 Epstein could help them, so she didn't tell them. Question 255 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,519 after the trip, did redacted go back home to redacted? 256 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,399 Answer yes? Question did Epstein contact her afterwards? Answer yes. 257 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:09,080 Question did he discuss with her her ongoing college plans? 258 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:12,600 Answer yes he did. Question did he invite her for 259 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:15,000 a weekend at his ranch in New Mexico in the 260 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,720 spring of nineteen ninety six? Answer yes. Question was she 261 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,480 sixteen at the time? Answer yes, she was. Question from 262 00:15:23,519 --> 00:15:26,840 what she told you? What was Redacti's impression of who 263 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,720 would be on the trip in New Mexico? Answer? Well, 264 00:15:29,759 --> 00:15:32,720 she knew Maxwell would be there. Question did she well 265 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,120 she told someone else was going to be present during 266 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,960 the trip? Answer she said that there would be like 267 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:42,320 other students, her kids her age? Question and what was 268 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,399 her understanding of who these other kids were and why 269 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:51,360 they would be there. Sorry, let me rephrase. You testified 270 00:15:51,399 --> 00:15:54,200 that she was told that on this trip there would 271 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,799 be other students. Was she under the impression that there 272 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,159 would be other students like her on the trip who 273 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,639 were also being mentored by Epstein? Answer yes. Question, Now 274 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:07,360 you testify just a moment ago, that she was also 275 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,200 told that Maxwell would be there. Are you referring to 276 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,279 Gallaine Maxwell? Answer yes. Question at the point that she 277 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,879 was told that Maxwell would be on this trip, had 278 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:20,519 she ever met Glaine Maxwell? Answer no, she hadn't. Question 279 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:24,759 had she heard her sister talk about Glaine Maxwell? Answer yes? 280 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,399 Question from what she described to you, how did her 281 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,960 expectation that Maxwell would be on the trip make her 282 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,879 feel about the trip? Answer it made her comfortable. Her 283 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,080 sister had talked highly of Maxwell. Question did a redact 284 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,039 to tell you that she flew to New Mexico that 285 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:43,200 spring when she was sixteen? Answer yes. Question did she 286 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,879 meet Glainne Maxwell when she arrived in New Mexico? Answer yes, 287 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,639 she did. Question how did she describe Maxwell's demeanor and 288 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,480 attitude when she met her? Question? She described Maxwell as 289 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:57,320 being very charming. She gave her a tour of the house, 290 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,720 and Maxwell took redacted shopping, which made her feel special. 291 00:17:01,559 --> 00:17:04,880 Question what if she remember talking about with Glene Maxwell? 292 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,279 Answer they talked about school homework trips. Question. Did she 293 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:13,240 talked with her about applying to college? Answer yes. Question 294 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:16,759 did she talk about her classes in high school? Answer yes. 295 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,279 Question did she talk with her about the homework that 296 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,240 she had to do that weekend? Answer yes. Question did 297 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,599 she talk with Maxwell about her family? Answer yes. Question 298 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,680 did she talk about her home life and living with 299 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,680 her mother? Answer yes. Question from what redacted told you 300 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,119 when she got there? Who else was at the ranch 301 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,000 beside Gleane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? Answer it was just them. 302 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,559 Question Was it just the three of them the entire 303 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:49,079 time of the visit? Answer yes. Question were there any 304 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:54,200 other school kids there? Answer no? Question when they were 305 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,839 at the ranch? From what redacted told you? Did Maxwell 306 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:01,480 say anything to redacted about massages? Answer yes. Question did 307 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,559 she say anything about to her about foot massages? Answer yes. 308 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,599 Question what did she tell you about that? Answer? Maxwell 309 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,079 told her Redacted to give Epstein a foot massage and 310 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,599 then showed her and instructed her on how to do it. 311 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,759 Redacted was a little uncomfortable, but Maxwell was joking around, 312 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:22,640 so she just followed her lead. Question did a Redacted 313 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,119 tell you that Maxwell and Epstein took her to the 314 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,359 movies that weekend? Answer? Yes. Question what did she tell 315 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,079 you about the trip to the movies? Answer? She said 316 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:35,839 that when they went outside the theater, Maxwell was joking 317 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:38,759 around and pulled Epstein's pants down a little bit, and 318 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:41,279 then once they went inside the theater, Epstein, when they 319 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:44,359 were sitting down, touch Redacted's leg and rubbed her arm, 320 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:48,319 held her hand, and that this time he Redacted felt 321 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,519 he wasn't trying to hide it from Maxwell. Question What 322 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,119 was Redacted's reaction to all of this? Answer she was uncomfortable. 323 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,960 Question during the same weekend, was there another occasion when 324 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,119 Maxwell talked about missages? Answer? Yes, question what happened? Answer? 325 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,440 And Maxwell had asked Redacted if she had ever had 326 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,119 a massage, and Maxwell told her that she could give 327 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,000 her one. So Redacted was on her back and Maxwell 328 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:16,039 pulled the sheet down, exposing her chest. She was nude 329 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:18,720 from the top up and proceeded to massage around her 330 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,720 chest and breast area. Question from what Redacted told you 331 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,720 when she was describing to you? What you just described 332 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:27,839 to the Grand Jerry. How did she feel when this 333 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,279 was happening? Answer she felt really uncomfortable. Question did redacted 334 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:34,680 also tell you about an incident that happened on the 335 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,400 morning when she was in New Mexico? Answer yes. Question 336 00:19:38,839 --> 00:19:41,960 what did she tell you happened? Answer she said she 337 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:44,519 was in bed and Epstein came into the room and 338 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,000 told her that he wanted to cuddle, so he lay 339 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:49,759 down next to her and spooned her. She told him 340 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:51,359 that she had to go to the bathroom to get 341 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,480 out of the situation. Question what was her reaction to 342 00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:57,160 that when Epstein got into bed with her? Answer she 343 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,000 felt uncomfortable. She didn't know what to do. Question did 344 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,599 or adacted go back home to redacted when the weekend 345 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,920 was over? Answer? Yes she did. Question did she tell 346 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,960 anyone when she got home about what happened? Answer no. 347 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,519 Question is that for the same reason you described earlier? 348 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,000 Answer yes. Question did Epstein end up paying for Redacted 349 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:20,799 to go on a trip to Thailand that summer? Answer yes. 350 00:20:22,759 --> 00:20:26,160 Question did Redacted have any contact with Maxwell or Epstein 351 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,559 after that trip? Answer not that she recalled. Question when 352 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:32,559 you interviewed or redacted, what was her demeanor like when 353 00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:36,920 she described her interactions with Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. Answer, 354 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:41,640 she became upset and emotional. Question is redacted currently pursuing 355 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,559 a civil lawsuit against Maxwell and Epstein's estate? Answer as 356 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:49,400 she is. Question what does redacted do for a living now? 357 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:53,480 Answer she's a psychologist who works with trauma victims. Question 358 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:56,519 during the course of this investigation, have you interviewed someone 359 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:01,400 named or adacted? Answer yes. Question For today's purposes, I'm 360 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,279 just going to refer to her as redacted. How many 361 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:08,759 times have you interviewed redacted? Approximately? Answer approximately three times. 362 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,200 Question turning to the next slide, is this a photograph 363 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:16,000 of redacted that she provided to you? Answer yes. Question 364 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:18,599 and did she tell you that this was taken when 365 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,400 she was in approximately sixteen or seventeen years old? Answer yes. 366 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,079 Question is redacted's date of birth? Redacted? Answer yes? Question 367 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,000 did it redacted grow up in England? Answer yes, she did. 368 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,799 Question did she tell you that there came a point 369 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,200 where she met Maxwell when she was about seventeen? Answer yes. 370 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,240 Question how did she tell you that they met? Answer 371 00:21:42,319 --> 00:21:44,880 she said they met through a mutual friend. Question did 372 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,119 she tell you that this would have happened in around 373 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,880 ninety four or ninety five. Answer yes, question, and is 374 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,440 that within the same time period that we've been talking 375 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,640 about today. Answer yes. Question What happened after she was 376 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,359 introduced to Glenne Maxwell from what she told you? Answer 377 00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:04,359 she said Maxwell treated her like they were sisters. Her 378 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,039 quote was like naughty schoolgirls? Is how Maxwell treated with her? 379 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:12,400 Question did she tell you that Maxwell seemed to immediately 380 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,720 take an interest in her? Answer yes, question. Did she 381 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,839 tell you that they began spending time together in London? 382 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,480 Answer yes question, And just to be clear, was Maxwell 383 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:27,160 in her thirties while this was happening. Answer yes, question 384 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,720 that Maxwell did redacted ever remember Maxwell ever talking about 385 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:35,480 having a boyfriend named Jeffrey Epstein. Answer yes, What did 386 00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:38,920 she tell you about that? Answer? Maxwell told redacted that 387 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,880 Epstein was going to like her. Question Did there ever 388 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,599 come a time when she was seventeen that described that 389 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,680 Maxwell has reduced her to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes, question, 390 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,119 how did she describe that occurring? Answer? Epstein had flown 391 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,279 into London. He was at Maxwell's residence in London and 392 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,839 Maxwell had called or redact it over, so redacted when 393 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:02,920 and when she got there? Maxwell was saying to Epstein, 394 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,799 kind of the words Redacted used was giving him a 395 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:11,119 resume of her attributes, saying she's so pretty, she's so strong, 396 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,240 and that Maxwell asked her to give Epstein a massage. Question, 397 00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:18,839 now you've testified just a moment ago that Maxwell that 398 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,440 Redacted described to you that Maxwell asked her to give 399 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,920 Epstein a massage during the first meeting. Is that correct? Answer? Yes? 400 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,039 Question did Maxwell stay to her and some in substance, 401 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,400 since you're so strong, I'd appreciate it if you'd give 402 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,359 Jeffrey a massage because he needs a massage every day, 403 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,200 or I get in trouble. Answer yes, she said that. 404 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,480 Question Is that what Redacted said to you and some 405 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,480 in substance? Answer yes. Question when that happened? Did Redacted 406 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:50,119 remember Maxwell leading her to a room in the house? 407 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,359 Answer yes. Question when Redacted went into the room, what happened? 408 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,599 Answer When Redacted went into the room, Epstein was in 409 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,160 a robe, off his robe and she started massaging him, 410 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,960 and then he touched Redacted and pulled her hand to 411 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,240 his penis. Question what does Redacted remember Epstein saying when 412 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:13,119 he did this? Answer don't be frigid. Question what was 413 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,559 her reaction to this happening from what she told you? 414 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,839 Answer she was taken aback by it. Question when this 415 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960 episode ended and Redacted left the room, did she tell 416 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,839 you that she remembered Maxwell being just outside the room 417 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,440 where she just left. Answer yes. Question did she remember 418 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,799 Maxwell saying to her? Did you have fun? Did you 419 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,559 like it? Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell calling 420 00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:39,359 her several days afterward or at some point of time afterwards? 421 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:43,720 Answer yes she did. Question did Redacted remember Maxwell saying 422 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,079 to her on the phone call and summon substance, well 423 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,680 aren't you a clever girl? Jeffrey was very impressed? Answer yes. 424 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,400 Question shortly after this incident, does she remember Maxwell asking 425 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,200 her to come back over to the house. Answer yes. 426 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,680 And when she got there, did she tell you she 427 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:06,680 remembered Maxwell saying to her in substance, thank god you're here. 428 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,279 If it's not you or someone else, it falls to me. 429 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,200 Answer yes. Question does she remember Maxwell bringing her upstairs 430 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,240 to the house on that occasion? Answer yes she did. 431 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,599 Question what does she remember happening when Maxwell opened the 432 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,039 door of the room, answer Epstein was standing there naked. 433 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:28,279 Question does she remember Maxwell then saying I'll leave you guys? 434 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:32,200 To it. Answer yes, all right, folks, we're gonna wrap 435 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,240 up right here and in the next episode dealing with 436 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,720 the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. 437 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,880 All of the information that goes with this episode can 438 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,480 be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and 439 00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:47,640 welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, 440 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,519 we're gonna dive right back in to the testimony given 441 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:54,119 by the NYPD detective give in to the Glenn Maxwell 442 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,599 grand Jerry in New York. Question after these first two encounters, 443 00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,400 did EPs and Maxwell invite Redacted to travel with them 444 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,720 to Palm Beach, US, Virgin Islands, Paris, and New York 445 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:09,200 for the next several years? Answer? Yes, they did. Question 446 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,519 does she remember whether these trips began before or after 447 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:17,519 her eighteenth birthday? Answer she couldn't remember specifically. Question, but 448 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:21,240 before these trips started, you were describing earlier when Redacted 449 00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:24,279 told you about the same time that she spent with 450 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,640 Maxwell when they first met when she was seventeen. Is 451 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,920 that right? Answer yes. Question during these conversations when she 452 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,039 would spend time with Maxwell, did Redacted remember talking with 453 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:40,000 her about her life, her family, and her personal circumstances 454 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,960 with Maxwell. Answer yes. Question now you testified a moment 455 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,599 ago that redacted told you that at some point she 456 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,039 began traveling with Maxwell and Epstein, and she wasn't sure 457 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,480 whether or not these trips started before she turned eighteen? 458 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,799 Is that right? Answer yes. Question did redacted describe to 459 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,680 you that Epstein sexually abused her during these trips, typically 460 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,000 in the context of a sexualized massage. Answer yes, he did. 461 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,519 Question did Epstein give her money? Answer yes, he did. 462 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,359 Question did she tell you that he would give her cash? 463 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,799 Answer yes. Question did she describe to you that the 464 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:20,519 abuse included, among other things, Epstein groping her and using 465 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:24,400 a massage or device on her genitals? Answer yes. Question 466 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,920 and was the massage or device like a vibrator? Answer yes, 467 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,519 it was. Question from what redacta told you? Was Maxwell 468 00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:35,079 in the room during these encounters? Answer? Maxwell wasn't in 469 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,200 the room? Question what did she tell you would typically 470 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,839 happen when redacted left the room after these episodes? Was 471 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,079 Maxwell typically nearby? Answer? Yes, she was usually right near 472 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,000 the room. Question does she remember Maxwell asking her after 473 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,440 she'd leave the room from one of these sessions? How 474 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:56,319 was it? Is he happy? Answer yes? Question did she 475 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,039 also tell you that she remembers Maxwell telling her at 476 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,200 some point, and so in substance, you know how he 477 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,039 is when he's not happy, and you know what makes 478 00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,680 him happy. He has to have sex all the time. 479 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:12,079 He's like a superhero. Answer yes, she said that. Question 480 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,440 did Redacted tell you about an incident that occurred after 481 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,079 she turned eighteen in Palm Beach when she was staying 482 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,599 at the pom Beach House. Answer yes. Question did the 483 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:24,480 incident she described to you involved a school girl outfit? 484 00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:28,079 Answer yes, it did. Question could you please describe for 485 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,279 the grand jury what redacta told you about that incident? Answer? 486 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,279 Redacted said that Maxwell had shown her a bedroom and 487 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,720 upon the bed was a school girl outfit. Maxwell had 488 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:41,400 told her when Redacted had confronted her about it, and 489 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Maxwell said, well, I thought it would be adorable if 490 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,079 you gave Jeffrey his tea in this so Redacted felt 491 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,240 like she had to put it on, and so she 492 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,880 put it on, took Epstein's tea, and Epstein smacked her 493 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,680 on the butt and reached under the skirt and touched her. 494 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,680 Question what was her demeanor like when she described the 495 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,759 incident into you? Answer she was crying. She was very upset. 496 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Question When Redacted describes seeing the schoolgirl outfit and talking 497 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,039 to Maxwell about it, did she remember Maxwell telling her, 498 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,039 don't be so frigid? Answer yes. Question Does she remember 499 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,000 that later in the day after she had delivered Epstein's 500 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,799 tea and he assaulted her. Does she remember Maxwell telling 501 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:26,039 her I heard you did well? Answer yes. Question During 502 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:29,440 the years that Redacted was in contact with Maxwell and Epstein, 503 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,880 did she remember whether Maxwell had ever asked her if 504 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,359 she knew any other girls who could massage Epstein? Answer yes. Question. 505 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,680 Does she remember Maxwell saying and summon substance, do you 506 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,279 know anyone who could give him a blowjob? Today? I 507 00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:47,440 don't feel like it? Answer yes. Question. Does she remember 508 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,400 Maxwell saying when she asked her to bring other girls 509 00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,400 that they have to look young at least answer yes. 510 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,440 Question from your conversation with redacted. Did she tell you 511 00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:01,079 whether or not she ever brought other girls? Answer she 512 00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,000 didn't bring any other girls. Question did she tell you 513 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,680 why not? Answer she didn't want anyone else to go 514 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:10,240 through that question from your interview with redacted? Did she 515 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,559 tell you that there came a time when she was 516 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,400 in her early twenties when she stopped traveling with Maxwell 517 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:20,880 and Epstein. Answer yes. Question was she struggling with substance 518 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,160 abuse at that point? Answer yes, she was. Question did 519 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,559 she tell you that she got sober in her twenties? 520 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,359 Answer yes she did. Question what is her current profession? 521 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,799 Answer she runs a nonprofit for people who struggle with 522 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:38,160 addiction and trauma. Question did he redacted provide you with 523 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,359 several emails that she exchanged with Epstein in the early 524 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,119 two thousands? Answer yes she did. Question and were those 525 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,920 emails very friendly in tone? Answer yes they were. Question 526 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,960 what did she say to you when you talk with 527 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,200 her about those emails? Answer she said she didn't at 528 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,359 the time want to acknowledge what was going on that 529 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,359 looking back on it is different. Question did your squad 530 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,000 execute a search warrant at Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse in Manhattan 531 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,200 in July of twenty nineteen? Answer yes. Question did you 532 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,279 personally participate in the search of Epstein's residence? Answer yes, 533 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,759 I did. Question did the townhouse include a massage room? 534 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,400 Answer yes. Question have you yourself been in that massage room? 535 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,640 Answer yes, I have. Question could you please describe for 536 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,079 the grand jury what the massage room look like? Answer, 537 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440 it was dark. It had dark draperies covering the windows. 538 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,200 There was a massage table, there were oils, there was 539 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,160 a handheld massager in there, along with handcuffs, a whip, 540 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:42,079 and along with walls were nude photographs of young females. 541 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,759 Question I believe you testified a moment ago that redacted 542 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,759 told you that there was a time when Maxwell asked 543 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,279 her to wear a schoolgirl outfit for Epstein when they 544 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,839 were in Palm Beach. Did you find the school girl 545 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,440 outfit in Epstein's New York townhouse? Answer yes, we did. 546 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,559 Question where did you find it? Answer it was found 547 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,480 in a room next to the massage room. Question and 548 00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:06,400 to be clear, did the FBI find sex toys during 549 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:12,640 the search? Answer yes? Question what was found? Answer? Butt plugs, dildos, 550 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,319 and vibrators. Question we've talked about three minor girls today. 551 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,960 Question is that right? Answer yes? Question have you reviewed 552 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,799 the proposed indictment Mark Grand Jerry Exhibit one? Answer yes, 553 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,920 I have. Question is redacted the individual referred to as 554 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,000 victim one in the proposed indictment. Answer yes, question is 555 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,400 redacted the individual referred to as victim two in the 556 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:42,240 proposed indictment. Answer yes. Question is redacted the individual referred 557 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:46,559 to as Victim three in the indictment? Answer yes, question 558 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,759 sharing all of Maxwell's interactions with the victims when there 559 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,799 were underage girls. Based on the timeframe and your knowledge 560 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:56,039 of Maxwell's birthdate, was she in her thirties? Answer yes, 561 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,799 she was? Question just one moment, all right, switching gears. 562 00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:03,559 Have you become aware that in or about twenty sixteen, 563 00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,720 Maxwell gave sworn testimony in a civil deposition in connection 564 00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:12,319 with the lawsuit? Answer yes. Question could you please explain 565 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,960 to the grand jury what is a deposition? Answer It's 566 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,160 a statement made under oath. Question And in the course 567 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,559 of civil litigation, is it common for witnesses or parties 568 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,920 of the lawsuit to give deposition under oath where they 569 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,839 testify about the substance of the case? Answer yes. Question 570 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:33,599 And is deposition testimony live and then in person and 571 00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:37,599 under oath? Answer yes. Question Is a court reporter present 572 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:42,319 when a deposition takes place? Answer yes. Question. Now, before 573 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,440 we talk about Maxwell's deposition testimony, I want to talk 574 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960 to you about the lawsuit that the testimony was about. 575 00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:52,079 Have you become aware that in or about twenty fifteen, 576 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,960 an individual name redacted filed a lawsuit against Glanne Maxwell 577 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,880 here in the Southern District of New York. Answer yes, question, 578 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,079 and was redacted suing Maxwell for defamation? Answer? Yes, she was. 579 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,760 Question was the lawsuit caption redacted against Glaim Maxwell the 580 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,840 dock in number fifteen CB seven four to three to 581 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,239 three here in the Southern District of New York. Answer yes. 582 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,159 Question generally speaking in broader strokes, What was the lawsuit about? 583 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,400 What was the claim that redacted was bringing against Maxwell? Answer? 584 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,800 I'm sorry, what line are you on again? Redacted? Page 585 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,559 sixty eight, line four. Witness redacted had stated that she 586 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,480 had been sexually abused by Epstein and Maxwell as a miner. 587 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,000 Maxwell came forward publicly and called her a liar. So 588 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:44,199 redacted suitor for defamation. Questions, So, just a small legal 589 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,039 instruction on the topic, Ladies and gentlemen, I instruct you 590 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:50,199 that the allegation in the lawsuit are not being presented 591 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,760 to you as evidence that those incidents occurred. I instruct 592 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,960 you that you should not consider those allegations for their truth. Instead, 593 00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:01,079 the circumstances of the lawsuit are being presented to you 594 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,719 so that you can consider the context of the case 595 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400 and the circumstances under which Maxwell made statements under oath. 596 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,400 Turning back to the deposition, did Maxwell's deposition take place 597 00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:16,039 over two different days? Answer yes, question on both days? 598 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,239 Does she give testimony in Manhattan? Answer yes she did. 599 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:23,239 Question is that where the deposition took place? Answer yes? 600 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:27,079 Question and on both days? Was Maxwell's sworn under oath? 601 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:31,119 Answer yes. Question if you could flip through the remaining 602 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,480 slides of the presentation to those slides contain true and 603 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:39,199 accurate excerpts of the transcript of that deposition? Answer yes, 604 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,440 question turning to the next slide. Is this the cover 605 00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:45,719 page of the transcript of the first deposition that took 606 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,239 place on April twenty second, twenty sixteen? Answer yes, question 607 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,159 and does it have the case caption on it? Answer yes, 608 00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,519 it does. Question turning to the next slide. Is this 609 00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:01,079 an excerpt from the transcript? Answer yes. Question. I imagine 610 00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:03,480 the grand jurors can't read it from their seats, so 611 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,440 if you could read it with me, I'll read the 612 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:09,119 questions and if you could read the answers, did Jeffrey 613 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,480 Epstein have a scheme to recruit underage girls? Four underage massages? 614 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,360 And it appears there was an objection from the lawyer's 615 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,880 question if you know answer, I don't know what you're 616 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,960 talking about. Question, Just to be clear, was the question 617 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,679 and answer? Is the answer here Maxwell's testimony? Answer? Yes. Question. 618 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,039 Just to be clear, you testified earlier that redacted participated 619 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,840 in sexualized massages with Epstein and Maxwell. Is that right? 620 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,400 Answer yes, question? And redacted was a miner when that occurred. 621 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,800 Answer yes, question. And you also testified earlier that Maxwell 622 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,960 that Redacted told you that Maxwell asked her to give 623 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,039 Epstein massages when she was a miner. Answer yes. Question. 624 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,960 If you could turn to the next slide, please, is 625 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,320 this another excerpt from the same deposition. Answer yes, it is. 626 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,840 Question all right, I'll read the question and you can 627 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,079 read the answer. Was all the people under the age 628 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:08,159 of eighteen that you interacted at with at any of 629 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,760 Jeffrey Epstein's properties. Answer I'm not aware of anybody that 630 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,159 I interacted with other than obviously redacted, who was seventeen 631 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:18,599 at this point. Question. Just to be clear, you testified 632 00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,920 earlier about two girls under the age of eighteen who 633 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,440 were interacted with Maxwell at Epstein's properties. Is that correct? Answer? Yes, question, 634 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,039 And those individuals were redacted and redacted? Who told you that? Correct? Answer? Yes, 635 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,920 that's correct. Question turning to the next slide. Is this 636 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,960 the cover page of the transcript from the deposition that 637 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:44,199 took place on July twenty second, twenty sixteen. Answer yes, 638 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:48,760 question and again, was this Maxwell giving testimony as part 639 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,360 of the testimony under oath here in Manhattan? Answer yes, question, 640 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,880 If you could please turn to the next slide. Is 641 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,880 that an excerpt? Are these two excerpts from that deposition? 642 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,559 Answer yes, question again, I'll read the questions If you 643 00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,679 could please read the answers. Were you aware of the 644 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,360 presence of sex toys or devices used in sexual activities 645 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,760 in mister Epstein's pom Beach house? Misredacted? There is an 646 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,440 objection from the lawyer. Answer no, no, not that I recall. 647 00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:23,440 Question do you know whether mister Epstein possessed sex toys 648 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:28,599 or devices in sexual activities? Answer there's an objection from 649 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:32,000 the lawyer, Then the answer again, no question. Just to 650 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,280 be clear, you testified earlier that you told that you 651 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,199 found sex toys and a massager in Palm Beach, and 652 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,320 also that you had seen Maxwell had a basket of 653 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,800 sex toys in or closet there is that correct answer? Yes, 654 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,519 that's correct question. And is it correct you testified earlier 655 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:54,119 that Epstein used a vibrator on redacted? Is that correct? Answer? Yes, 656 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,920 that's correct question. And did you also testify earlier that 657 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,199 redacted told you did that as well? Answer? Yes, that's 658 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,199 correct question. And did you also testify earlier that sex 659 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,559 toys were found by the police in the Palm Beach 660 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:14,000 house in two thousand and five? Is that right? Answer? Yes, question? 661 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,159 And did you also testify earlier that the FBI found 662 00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:21,199 sex toys in Epstein's New York City townhouse in twenty nineteen? 663 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,440 Answer yes, that's correct. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap 664 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:27,519 up right here, and in the next episode dealing with 665 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,039 the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. 666 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,360 All of the information that goes with this episode can 667 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,440 be found in the description box.