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smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for

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your support. In the last hour, I mentioned Adam Carolla,

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stand up comedian guy does a podcast. You've seen him.

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If you don't know the name, you've seen him, I

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guarantee you. But he is originally from I think originally

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from California, and he had testified. I mentioned this last

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hour that he had testified in front of Congress about deipolicies,

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and he talked about this was a while ago. He

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talked about how he was delayed application to the Loss

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Angeli's fire department because he was a white guy. They

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told him your waiting list is seven years. And when

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they finally called him back, so we went to work

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in construction. He comes back and then they because they

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sent him a letter saying you can now apply again.

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And so he came in and he asked a woman

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behind him in the line, how long has she been waiting?

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When did she get the letter to come apply? And

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she said she got it wednesday, like a couple like,

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so within the within seven days ago. Right. And the

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point there, in case it's you know, not obvious, which

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I think it is, is that he had to wait

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seven years and she did not. And the only reason

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was because he was a white guy. I forget if

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he said her race or not, but it doesn't matter

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because what they obviously were doing was, you know, hiring

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and promoting based on immutable characteristics that were not based

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on merit. And the fire Department, along with the City

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of Los Angeles, they've spent millions of dollars on these

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DEI types of programs, and that means you lose focus.

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You devote resources and manpower, hours, time and attention away

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from your core mission, which is to fight fires. Like

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that's the main point. The only reason you have a

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fire department is so they fight fires. That's it, right,

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But when you become distracted by the ideologically driven latest fad,

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then you lose sight of the core mission. And that's

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what apparently the LA Fire Department has done. Corolla also

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yesterday did a podcast where he talked about he told

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the story of Bill Maher, the host of Used to

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Be Politically Incorrect, and then it's been real time with

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Bill Maher. He's a stand up committee. And also, and

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you know, Bill Maher has angered a lot of leftists

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because they think he's been quote red pilled. And if

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you're not aware of what that term means, red pilled

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comes from The Matrix, the movie The Matrix, where the

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main character Keanu Reeves is presented a choice. There's a

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red pill and a blue pill, and the red pill

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is that you or the blue pill is pitched. As

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you take the blue pill, you go back to sleep,

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and you are unaware of the Matrix, this false world

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that has been constructed for you. If you take the

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red pill, though, as Morpheus, the character said, you know,

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you find out how deep this rabbit hole goes. And

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that's where the term comes from. And so people say

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they've been red pilled when they've sort of been you know,

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their eyes have been opened to the way things really

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are and what's really going on, and it's an awakening

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of sorts not to be confused with woke but red pilled.

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So Bill Maher is accused of being red pilled. I'm

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not so sure he is on I know he's not

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on a great many things, but on some things, on

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common sense types of things, he has been. And so

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where does this go back to? And Corolla says it

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started when Bill Maher tried to get solar panels for

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his house in California, and it took him like three

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years to get solar panels approved for his house because

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of all the red tape regulations and these officious busy

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bodies that made him jump through hoops and delay and

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delay and delay and just add more and more costs.

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Corolla tells the story, I forget who the actor was,

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but it was somebody famous, and he said that this

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person wanted to get a swimming pool put in, and

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in order to do that, you got to go through

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It's something called the Coastal Commission or something in Malibu

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and Pacific Palisades, and they required this guy to do

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a double hull on his which means like, what does

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that mean? Like you're putting in a pool. They basically

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made him put in two right, you got to drop

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one hull down, and then you've got to do another

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pool inside of that pool. And the rationale was that

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if the first pool leaks, then the second pool will

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catch it so the chlorinated water or whatever doesn't seep

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into the groundwater. Now, again this is at the coast,

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it was chlorinated and it wasn't a saltwater pool, even

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if it got into the groundwater, it would go to

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the ocean, which is literally an ocean. There's a lot

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of water in an ocean. That's why they call it

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an ocean. That's why we say, man, that's as big

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as an ocean, because ocean's are really, really big. We

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don't even know where some of the floors of these

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oceans are. So that's a red pill moment. And what

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Corolla is predicting is that a lot of these people

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who have lost their homes, that have the million dollar homes,

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they are going to now have to run the gauntlet

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of local government and they are going to realize the

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actual cost of their policies because before they would just

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do one project, maybe they do a renovation or something whatever.

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But now like because a lot of these people that

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sit on these boards and commissions and such, they don't

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want you to rebuild. They yeah, they're sort of anti humanist.

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They want that shoreline to be pristine. They don't want

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anybody building on the coast at all. And some of

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these homes like Malibuan and Pacific Palisades, they overlook the ocean,

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they're right on the water, and they may not get

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approvals to build. And this is like, I'm not so

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short now. I just came across a post on the

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Twitter machine by Matthew Peterson. He is the editor in

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chief over at The Blaze, and he said Corolla is

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one hundred percent correct about at least half of what's

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going to happen. The California Coastal Commission, which has more

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power than many a third world dictator, simply won't allow

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a lot of rebuilding in Malibu and homeowners in the

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Palisades and Alta Dina, which, by the way, that's where

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the Beverly Hills nine o two one to zero house

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was actually located from the TV show Beverly Hills nine

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oh two one oh. It was located in Alta Dina

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or Altadena, and that burned down. That's gone. He says.

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The homeowners are about to walk through the gates of

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local government hell as they learn how hard it is

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to build anything in California, as well as how corrupt

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and deficient their systems of regional government truly are. Corolla

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should be right about the other hand, where this could

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be like a red pill for some of these people,

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he says, But I don't know. I hope so, but

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I don't know if that's going to happen, he said,

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As more than one friend has pointed out in the

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last twenty four hours, there's something lost in all the

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talk about the fires, and what has been lost is

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a lot more than some random suburbs. Altadena had some

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of the most beautiful homes and neighborhoods in California, representing

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the best of early twentieth century California. He said. He

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used to live nearby. He would wander the streets and

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he would just marvel at the homes that were there.

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The idyllic palisades were not full of the usual shoddy

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McMansions or super megagaudy estates, but real communities and beautiful

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suburban housing that represented the rise of post World War

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two Golden age Southern California. The iconic Malibu Coastline has

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stood as a symbol for millions for a long time.

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It always did for me, at least, he said. As

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commuting he talked about how you drive through there, didn't

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matter the traffic. He just loved looking at the neighborhood.

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And so much of that is now gone, and we

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are right to wonder if it will ever come back,

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or if anything like it can come back. What was

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lost this week is much more than houses. What vanished

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in the smoke and flames is the physical remnants of

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an America culture, symbols that stood for the American dream,

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and that has already suffered a spiritual and political death.

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So acknowledge the loss and sadness, help and pray for

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those who have suffered through it, and raise a glass

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to a rebirth and renaissance in the country however you can,

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with whoever is willing, until your dying day come. What may.

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The architectural loss of those homes, Yes, people's lives devastated,

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people's lives lost obvious, but that you know, the neighborhoods represent.

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Those buildings represented a time in America of hope, a

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time of you know, risk taking, and you know head

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west and look at us. We have arrived, I mean

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the Spanish stucco architecture all like, all of that architectural

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uniqueness obliterated. And my fear is that these government officials

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and bureaucrats will not allow that to return. Here's a

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out in California, people are going to now be trying

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to rebuild people in these neighbors. By the way, I

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have a list here, Yeah, of the the famous people

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who lost their homes. Paris Hilton's Malibu Beach home gone,

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Matthew Perry, the late Matthew Perry, the home that he

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died in gone. Chrissy Teagan and John Legend. They fled

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their home in Beverly Hills with their four kids, four dogs,

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and a pet bearded dragon. They took refuge at a hotel,

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joining others like Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, all the

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same hotel, Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill. According to the

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Daily Mail. Others who lost their homes, actor James Woods,

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Eugene Levy, John Goodman, The Top Gun, Mavericks star Miles

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Teller and his wife Kayley, Adam Brody and Layton Measter

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both actors, Ricky Lake, the former talk show host, Reality

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TV stars Spencer Pratt and Heidi Montague the couple they

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lost Theirs. Kobe Smolders from the show How I Met

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Your Mother, Maria Shriver, Billy Crystal, Anthony Hopkins, Anna Ferris.

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All their homes were burnt gone. And so when these

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people go to try to rebuild, Okay, yes, they I

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guess have a lot of money. Oh they're going to

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be able to afford it. Okay, not everybody will be.

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And the insurance isn't there. A lot of the insurance

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carriers started dropping fire insurance. This. Yeah, I was not

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aware of this. I knew that the insurance industry had

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been not writing, not renewing policies for various things. State

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Farm canceled sixteen hundred policies in Pacific Palisades or did

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not renew them because the state would not allow them

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to raise premiums high enough to cover their exposure. And

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so the insurance company is not going to write policies

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if it means the bankruptcy of that insurance company. The

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affected homeowners would then likely have to rely on a

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state program called fare because, of course the Fair Plan,

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which is an expensive last resort insurance program. But according

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to Laura Powell, former leftist but still liberal Californian, she says,

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the Fair Plan reportedly only has a surplus of two

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hundred million dollars as of April twenty twenty four, and

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was likely to become insolvent if a catastrophic event occurred,

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and now it has. Now it has. This is such

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a failure. I mentioned it yesterday. Bad politics, bad policies,

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and this is the result. All right, I hope you

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had a happy holiday season. But tell me if something

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like this happened at your house. Your family and friends

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are gathered around, Maybe y'all are in the living room,

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You're laughing, swapping stories, reminiscing, and then somebody says, hey, Dad,

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remember those old VHS tapes? Did you ever get them transferred?

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And then the room gets all quiet. All eyes are

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on Dad, who says, oh, you know, well, I've been

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Back in April, State Farm said that it was going

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to cut coverages for fire basically for homeowners. Sixty nine

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percent of the policyholders in Pacific Palisades, sixty two percent

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in Brentwood. These were all non renewals, and they said

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they can't do it. They can't write the policies because

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they can't charge enough money. Under the state rules, they

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weren't allowed to charge enough money in the premiums to

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cover their costs if they're was a catastrophic event. It

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would wipe out State Farm and that would then have

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the cascading impacts on all of the other homeowners, policyholders

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and the entire industry. So they said, we can't, we

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can't write the policies. So they just started dropping the coverage.

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And that's a direct result of what first the wildfire

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mitigation efforts that were not done right. State Farm assesses

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this stuff and they're like, this is this takes too long?

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You know how long it would you know how long

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it took? I have the hang on, I had the

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stat here someplace how long it takes to do Yeah,

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here it is. How long does it take to do

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a prescribed burn or a controlled burn in order to

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clear out sort of the fuel the underbrush. It takes

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According to the Forest Service, it takes an average of

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four point seven years to get through environmental reviews, and

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if it's a complex project, it will take seven years

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more than seven years, seven point two years. That is

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longer than the fire cycles. So you're never going to

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be able to keep up with the wildfires because of

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what government policy. These are decisions. These are decisions that

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politicians make and bureaucrats make after being elected to do

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so and then return to office even after they implement

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these kinds of crummy policies, and the state of California

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and the residents of Los Angeles are going to continue

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to suffer as long as they continue to send people

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into office that keep these policies in place. Let me

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go over and get Larry onto the program. Hello Larry,

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and how you doing as the peak? All right, sir,

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what's going on? I want to speak on the take.

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He's talking about the movie stars and stuff and whatnot.

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Got the house burned up? Yeah? I mean they got

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life changing money, man. They can uproot anytime they get

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rid of Unlike for you and me, we can't do that.

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And so is their loss any lesson. Don't care about that, man,

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Them people don't care nothing about that. They got money, man,

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really yeah you know that, No, I don't. The people

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you named yea whose house got on fire, Yeah, they

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got money, man. Yeah. So does money replace the home

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videos of your kid growing up? And that's what it takes.

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They're not going to reveal on it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Larry, Larry, Yeah,

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that's what it takes. The up route, man, Larry. No,

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it's this isn't uprooting Larry. No, No, Larry, Larry. So

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let's so if you don't think, Larry, if you don't

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think I'm making sense, I'm gonna try to We're gonna

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try to have a conversation. No, Larry, Larry, you could

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Larry hang on, No, don't, don't. Don't do that, Larry, Larry, Larry,

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I don't, Larry. If we're gonna Larry stop, stop for

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a second, I say what you're gonna say. Man, Okay,

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first off, I could say whatever I want to say

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in this conversation because Larry stop talking for one second.

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I can say what I want to say. Larry, you're

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being rude by constantly interrupting me something. Okay, Oh, thank

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you very much. I will say what I want. What

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I'm going to tell you, Larry, is that you and

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I are talking about two different things. You're talking about

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rebuilding a house. I understand that. I understand what you're saying.

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You don't understand what I'm saying. So what I'm saying

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is that with the loss of that house, it's not

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just the house, it's everything. It's everything inside the house,

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it's a it's an entire lifetime of the things that

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you hold deer that has been lost. So he never

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loves anything you hold. Dear too, you never loves anything.

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Of course I have Larry. Of course I have Larry.

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What does that have to do with anything? Because you

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just move on, You don't just move on, and they

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got the means and the money to do it. You cannot.

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So Larry the example, Larry the example. I'm Larry, you're

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the one that's getting agitated. I'm there, you go. That's

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how they always end. Oh, Larry, good lord. I understand

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using logic probably threw you for a bit of a

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loop in that conversation. But I'll just flesh out the

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point for people who are interested to hear it. And

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obviously Larry was not. And by the way, I did

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recognize that Larry was not discussing the topic in good faith.

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Larry I think suffers from one of the deadly sins

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of envy there. I think Larry just has envy for

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the people who have a lot of money, these Hollywood

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people and so there, which by the way, he's assuming

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they've all got lots of money. There are a lot

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of people that bought those homes forty fifty years ago

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and they've just been living in these in these homes

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for all that time where their parents lived in the homes,

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and they got the home, and they don't have that

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kind of money, life changing money, as he called it.

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But yes, there were people that were rich, that are

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rich that did have homes there, but also inside those

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homes they had a lot of things that were literally irreplaceable.

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One of the kind things I mentioned the videos home

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videos of your parents, of your kids growing up from

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thirty years ago. They're gone. All that stuff is gone,

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literally everything that they own, burned up, everything. And so

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for Larry to trivialize it and to dismiss it by saying, oh,

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haven't you ever lost anything? Yeah, I've lost stuff. Have

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I lost every single thing that I own except the

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clothes on my back all at once? No, I have not.

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I have not suffered that kind of a loss some

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people have. It's devastating. That's why people do fundraisers and

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stuff for that, because it is a traumatic event. And

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at the root of that question that I asked is

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a very human thing is to recognize that even if

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someone has a whole lot of money, they have still

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suffered a loss and that still impacts them. Why, Because

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they are a human being, and I have empathy for them.

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Even though I don't have any personal experience having my

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house burned down and have nothing left, I can empathize

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with them. That's awful. That's a terrible thing. And just

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because they're Hollywood famous and rich doesn't make that loss

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any less empathetic. And I would just ask Larry to

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maybe search yourself and find out why you have this

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kind of animosity towards somebody that you don't know, simply

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because they have money, they still suffered a loss. Just

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move on, you say, just move on. I'm sure they

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will somehow over time they'll move on, but for now

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it's a very devastating thing for them. I can't make

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you care about your fellow human beings, but maybe you

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could give it a shot. It's a new year. How

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Jonathan wants to know after hearing caller Larry, I need

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you to tell me, Pete in great detail, where you

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get your patients from. I always love it when antagonistic,

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bad faith callers like Larry, who don't sound very bright

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by the way, tell me that it's okay for me

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to talk. And that's why I say Larry, he's an

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example he's not the only one. But when he says,

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oh right, yeah, you go ahead and talk, you go

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ahead and say what you're gonna say, Like, I'm not

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sure you're aware of the situation you have entered into here, Larry.

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But this is a radio talk show, and I am

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in the studio of said radio show. I control the microphone,

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I control the phone lines. You do not, So I

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get to keep talking long after you're gone, right after

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you hang up on me, because he hung up on

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me thinking that that made some point or something like,

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I don't even understand why you hang up. If you

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call into to challenge me, I welcome those challenges. In fact,

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I say it all the time. Unchallenged ideas are easy

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to hold. I say that for a reason because it

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is through the challenging of the ideas that you arrive

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at better ideas. You test them right, and if they

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are found to be lacking, like Larry's was, then that

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gets exposed. Now, what a logical rational person might do

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is to then say, well, my rational argument has failed

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with this test of logic, so I will therefore change

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my position on this thing. Now, if you're just coming

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at it from an emotional standpoint, as Larry obviously was,

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then you're not going to allow logic to interfere with

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your emotionally driven response or opinion. And that's what Larry

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is operating. That's the position he's operating from. It's emotionalism.

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It's a stunted way of thinking. I'm not saying like

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these these issues don't have elements of emotion in them.

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Of course they do. And we, being human beings, we

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absolutely have emotions when we talk about certain topics or issues. Absolutely,

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but logic requires you to set aside the emotionalism. And

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I suspect what is driving Larry's emotions in this is

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simple jealousy. That's the that's at the core he's it

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sounds like he's got a lot of jealousy and envy

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towards people who have a lot of money. That's what

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that's that's what came across to me. Now, I could

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have been I could be mistaken on that, but Larry

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hung up, and so I wasn't able to plumb those depths.

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And that's that's what I'm interested in. And so when

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I've had enough of these conversations over the course of

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my career here to know that sometimes people will engage

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in a conversation if you can kind of, you know,

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get them off of their defensive posture. And sometimes people don't,

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and Larry didn't. He didn't want to. He wanted to

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stay rooted in his emotional argument. And I'm not going

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to try to move somebody off of that if they

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are refusing to move. I'm not going to force somebody.

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I'm you know, libertarian like that. I'm not going to

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force somebody. But I can also appeal to him and

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maybe someday down the road he thinks about this conversation

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and this experience, and he thinks about his position and

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the underlying belief that he has there is what is

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animating this dismissiveness of the human toll that this has taken.

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Maybe he reassesses that and comes to a different, dare

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I say, nicer position? That's my hope. All right, that'll

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