Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for checking out Going Deeper.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Matt. I've got a great show planning
Speaker 1: for you tonight. You'll know my guest tonight from her
Speaker 1: appearances on websites such as bangbros dot com and the
Speaker 1: slightly last less ambiguous Gangbangcreampie dot com. You can find
Speaker 1: links to all of our social media and the episode
Speaker 1: description below, but I want to recommend you check out
Speaker 1: her only fans at Channy Crossfire. Ladies and gentlemen join
Speaker 1: me in welcoming the very sexy Channy Crossfire channing. How
Speaker 1: are you tonight?
Speaker 2: Coast?
Speaker 1: What part California? We're at California? Yeah, all right, all right?
Speaker 1: Were you good evening as well? Uh? Are you originally?
Speaker 1: Where are you originally from? No details, but like do
Speaker 1: you ever talk about that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I'm proud to be a Cali born, Calie
Speaker 2: native and people can tell I'm not from around their
Speaker 2: area because I I'm friendly now, So I just randomly
Speaker 2: say a hided people on the street straighters, and they
Speaker 2: just look at me like, yeah from around here? Are you?
Speaker 1: I'm in New Jersey, which is so adjacent to New
Speaker 1: York that yes, if I walk down the street and go, hi,
Speaker 1: how are you today? Someone will think I'm trying to
Speaker 1: fucking rob them of something. God it's rough. It's rough,
Speaker 1: but that's good to hear. You're okay. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this the boring question. Everything starts with it. You
Speaker 1: go as depth full as you want to. It's just
Speaker 1: my audience may not know how'd you initially get into
Speaker 1: the adult entertainment industry? Because I want to get through
Speaker 1: all the basics because I have a question about your person.
Speaker 1: You just pointed something out and I want to I
Speaker 1: want to bring something up from some of your scenes.
Speaker 1: How did you initially get into the industry?
Speaker 2: Okay, real talk. I think the the real domino effect was,
Speaker 2: uh my, my ex broke up with me. That was
Speaker 2: my last exclusive, monogamous of vanilla relationship. So I was
Speaker 2: a mix of that, and then I had two previous
Speaker 2: suicide attempts before that relationship, and it was a mix
Speaker 2: of that. And I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: need to go soul searching. I need to uh get
Speaker 2: started on my bucket listculus and it really went from there.
Speaker 1: It took off. That was the fuse that led it.
Speaker 2: Huh oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 1: If it's not too personal, Can I ask how are
Speaker 1: you doing nowadays? I?
Speaker 2: Okay, I should you not, As I've gone soul searching
Speaker 2: these last three years. Now I know what authenticity really means,
Speaker 2: what self care really means, and what self love really means.
Speaker 2: And the ironic part of that is I'm so glad
Speaker 2: I took that seriously first, like I set those intentions
Speaker 2: and had those goals in mind, or else I don't
Speaker 2: think I would have survived being in this type of
Speaker 2: adult entertainment industry, you.
Speaker 1: Know, sure, I mean, really yeah, life is tough enough
Speaker 1: just by itself, you know, throwing in the fact that
Speaker 1: you're dealing with being a private contractor essentially you know,
Speaker 1: possibly doing your own booking or hiring an agent for that,
Speaker 1: shooting these scenes, figuring out how to market it properly,
Speaker 1: which is like eighty percent of the job nowadays. It
Speaker 1: seems like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is the pro and con of
Speaker 2: in trade off of being so employed now and an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: You know, there's that trade off. There's more flexibility, but
Speaker 2: there is more work. You know, it's not a conventional
Speaker 2: nine to five job, but be able to have like
Speaker 2: live life more on your own terms, like again real
Speaker 2: talk on more of that origin story of how I
Speaker 2: got into the industry. So yeah, I was in the
Speaker 2: mix of my last breakup and I called myself a
Speaker 2: pandemic porn start because I really got into it right
Speaker 2: before Quarantine happened. And the year before Quarantine, I was
Speaker 2: already going through that breakup I had. I was in
Speaker 2: a car accident with my ex, so I had a
Speaker 2: near life death experience and then had to move back
Speaker 2: into my mom's place and she used to be toxic,
Speaker 2: and then I had lost my job, so I had
Speaker 2: a head start before Quarantine to deal with it before
Speaker 2: shit really hit the fan. And then I was on
Speaker 2: my mom's couch for at least a year until I
Speaker 2: met it, until I had signs pointing me to go
Speaker 2: into the adult industry, you know again with my bucke
Speaker 2: list and Fuckulist, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this leap of faith and go from there.
Speaker 2: And oh my gosh, I like I said, I've it
Speaker 2: just really helps that I made it such a positive journey,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not doing it for superficial, shallow reasons.
Speaker 1: Right right, It's it's you know, it's such a great
Speaker 1: industry because I think so many of you girls, at
Speaker 1: least for sexuality and stuff like that, can really like
Speaker 1: find your place and find what you like and explore
Speaker 1: and find what you don't like. You know, you fucking
Speaker 1: hate and never want to do again. And that was
Speaker 1: awful and I don't like that. Go on, but you
Speaker 1: at least tried it, and you can at least say like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm not into that, No, this and that.
Speaker 1: And it's only one aspect of your life, the sexuality part,
Speaker 1: but it can spider web out to every other aspect
Speaker 1: where you're now more organized, you're better with money, you're this,
Speaker 1: you're that, you learned how to do photoshop, like gaining I.
Speaker 2: Mean hopefully, hopefully ideally that's what I hope most of
Speaker 2: the models that's what they're doing. But not everyone has
Speaker 2: good work ethic. Not everyone is, uh is mindful of
Speaker 2: the productive side to it. You know, some people really
Speaker 2: just want to to fuck you know, and not have
Speaker 2: those types of work ethics and work standards. You know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like okay, I mean another easter egg with
Speaker 2: my origin story, with that, with my bucket list, fuckulist,
Speaker 2: uh before I was officially in industry. I started venturing out,
Speaker 2: checking out play parties, sex parties, parties that only existed
Speaker 2: in movies, you know. So and I'm just like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: these are real life gang bangs and orgies happening in
Speaker 2: real life, you know. And yeah, I started going to
Speaker 2: them more frequently. And then I got to the point where,
Speaker 2: you know what, I think I'm catching an STI, you know,
Speaker 2: because everyone everyone's wearing condoms, but no one's vetting for
Speaker 2: you know, for STI and Bax South. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: with me being this sexually active and this high sex strife,
Speaker 2: I'm getting tired of having symptoms, you know, because I
Speaker 2: would get tested once every three months. And now it
Speaker 2: was actually fetlife dot com where I found my first agent,
Speaker 2: you know, And that's the that's the website where I
Speaker 2: found all these parties. So that's where I met my
Speaker 2: first agent, and I was the main the main headline
Speaker 2: is I might as well get paid to have safe sex,
Speaker 2: you know, like going like having this type of like
Speaker 2: high drive and being a natural at it. You know.
Speaker 2: I was already familiar with a group dynamics, you know,
Speaker 2: and I was That's that's where the learning part comes
Speaker 2: in before the industry. When I was going to those parties,
Speaker 2: I was experimenting, like Okay, what I like and don't like,
Speaker 2: you know, evolving my disin docent boundaries, you know. And
Speaker 2: then I got into an industry and I took that
Speaker 2: with me, and then I grew from there.
Speaker 1: So were you always like a very sexual person or
Speaker 1: was there a point where you you, not not in
Speaker 1: a negative way, but crossed that line where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not tiptoe or maybe that first time you tiptoed
Speaker 1: over was it when you went to one of those clubs,
Speaker 1: or were you a little earlier than that with experimenting
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I already knew my sexuality was evolving since since
Speaker 2: I was little, Like I remember thinking in high school, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think i'm by I think I'm also into chicks, right,
Speaker 2: And then when I graduated high school and in college,
Speaker 2: I'm I remember being like I was already looking into porn,
Speaker 2: you know, during high school and after high school, and
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, oh, man, I'm starting to like transgenders
Speaker 2: as well, like both genders, you know, And that's when
Speaker 2: I knew, like my sexuality was evolving, So it went
Speaker 2: from me being bisexual too pan sexual to omi sexual.
Speaker 2: And I've always been curious about some things, you know,
Speaker 2: and my past relationships with my exes. You know, we
Speaker 2: were definitely like adventurous with each other, you know, but
Speaker 2: in regards to group dynamics, like me being able to
Speaker 2: get in my first three thimbs. Was that after the
Speaker 2: breakup and when I went to those parties.
Speaker 1: Okay, not not to dredge up bad memories, but I
Speaker 1: have to know this. Did you break up with him?
Speaker 1: Did he break up with you? Was it just a
Speaker 1: mutual thing?
Speaker 2: You know what? I really love that you asked that,
Speaker 2: because you're the first one to ask that. I totally understand.
Speaker 2: But disclaimer, I I already I've already made peace with
Speaker 2: all of that, you know, so I thank you for
Speaker 2: asking me that none of that's triggering anymore. But no,
Speaker 2: he like real talk. This is another reason why I'm
Speaker 2: a mental health advocate. He broke up with me, which
Speaker 2: I totally understand because at that time, like even though
Speaker 2: we have like we had a lot of things in
Speaker 2: common and definitely chemistry, Like not to speak for him,
Speaker 2: but at least to speak for myself. There were some
Speaker 2: childhood traumas that I didn't completely resolve and make peace with,
Speaker 2: and sometimes that would bleed into our relationship, you know,
Speaker 2: like I used to be insecure, and I used to
Speaker 2: hate myself, and I used to seless shame myself. And
Speaker 2: this was before I got into the industry. And there
Speaker 2: are moments where I had some toxic femininity, but I
Speaker 2: didn't realize it at the time. I was two in
Speaker 2: my head, so it was only being able to have
Speaker 2: that distance and growing apart and focusing more on myself.
Speaker 2: Sure I did all that wisdom and epiphany, like all
Speaker 2: those epiphanies finally came to me. So I still have
Speaker 2: love and respect for him. I'm just not in love
Speaker 2: with him anymore. Honestly, I have no regrets, like if
Speaker 2: he hadn't broken up with me, Like I try to
Speaker 2: take my own advice, like you should never. I'm at
Speaker 2: the point now where you should never be in a
Speaker 2: relationship to overcompensate, you know, you really have to learn
Speaker 2: to love yourself first, sure you know, and then everything
Speaker 2: else should feel like a bonus. You shouldn't have to
Speaker 2: overcompensate for someone. And yeah, I learned that the hard way,
Speaker 2: but better late than never, you know.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, see, yeah, I ask that because I wonder
Speaker 1: did you, okay, did you step into that realm at all?
Speaker 1: Because you just were curious and you were at a
Speaker 1: different place in your life. You had had others things,
Speaker 1: you had dealing with trauma, the breakup, this and that.
Speaker 1: Did you was any of it getting back at him thing?
Speaker 2: Or no? Oh?
Speaker 3: No, you know what I know, that's what I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that year.
Speaker 2: That year, I was definitely going through a lot, and
Speaker 2: I was experimenting with a lot of things. I was
Speaker 2: really trying to find myself literally and soul searching. And
Speaker 2: uh that that was the first and last time I've
Speaker 2: experimented with drugs, like hard drugs, like I've had a
Speaker 2: few bumps of cocaine, and looking back, I'm really lucky,
Speaker 2: which is another reason why I advocate for one of
Speaker 2: my friends, a nonprofit companies called endoverdose dot net. So
Speaker 2: they have free openoid awareness training, free final test strips,
Speaker 2: narcana lockzoon. So there's that too.
Speaker 1: One more one more time, can you give me that
Speaker 1: website one more time? I'm gonna I want to plug
Speaker 1: it here, but I my younger brother actually died of
Speaker 1: a heroin overdose, So it is you know, close to me.
Speaker 1: Please plug that website one more time and.
Speaker 2: Overdose dot net e N D O V E R
Speaker 2: d O s E dot nets.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm gonna put that in the episode description
Speaker 1: as well. Uh, when people are down there checking out
Speaker 1: your Twitter and everything else, if you have someone in
Speaker 1: your life that suffers from that type of thing, definitely
Speaker 1: check out that link, you know, or if you're suffering
Speaker 1: with that yourself. So that was the first time you experimented,
Speaker 1: did you did you find that you had a personality
Speaker 1: that migrated towards overuse of those things?
Speaker 2: You know what? That's another thing I because I was
Speaker 2: having such a hard year. Uh, it gave me that
Speaker 2: understanding of why I would experiment and try some things.
Speaker 2: But I was lucky enough to already have the wisdom
Speaker 2: with my previous bad habits, like being able to recognize
Speaker 2: that I've had previous self sabotaging habits to know not
Speaker 2: to be to dependent on it, you know, like the
Speaker 2: old me would have abused it. But because that whole year,
Speaker 2: I saw it as a make it or break it,
Speaker 2: like it was. It was my lifeline that year, like,
Speaker 2: not that I was fifty one fifty, I mean, I
Speaker 2: was definitely kind of unhinged. But something was telling me
Speaker 2: that year to just focus all my passions like a lifeline,
Speaker 2: you know, to make it through. Because yeah, honestly, because
Speaker 2: of everything I was going through, it would have it
Speaker 2: would have broken most people. I the only would have
Speaker 2: have attempted a third a suicide attempt. But instinctively and intuitively,
Speaker 2: I knew if I did at their time, it would
Speaker 2: actually pan out and it would actually be a success.
Speaker 2: And so I was very aware of conscience, conscientious of that.
Speaker 2: So that's why I take yoga and martial arts so seriously,
Speaker 2: because that's literally what I really focused on that whole year,
Speaker 2: to just keep my sanity in check, to keep me
Speaker 2: out of trouble, because that was I was starting to
Speaker 2: get angry at the world, uh that year, you know,
Speaker 2: and I was itching to get into fights. It got
Speaker 2: to that point. But like I said, I'm glad that
Speaker 2: broke me in a year before quarantine people, before collectively
Speaker 2: other people were starting to lose their ship, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ask me about my go bag and my trunk, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Definitely we did have one I I have more than
Speaker 2: a couple of go I do, I do.
Speaker 1: I just bought a little mini shopple the other day
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Speaker 1: links to all of our social media in the episode
Speaker 1: description below, but make sure you go to her only
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Speaker 1: out of ten is pretty fucking good, though, okay, uh
Speaker 1: for a tiebreaker. According to ia FD dot com, the
Speaker 1: Internet Adult Film Database, which doesn't include certain things like
Speaker 1: OnlyFans or this or that. It's more just kind of
Speaker 1: like website mainstream type stuff for the tiebreaker. According to
Speaker 1: ia FD dot com as of this recording, how many
Speaker 1: male performers have you worked with?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I lost count. We're not even talking
Speaker 2: about before I got into nothing.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about any of that. And we're not
Speaker 1: talking about any of the numbers. They don't count. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have a tough time getting into heaven after this one.
Speaker 2: But to many, let's see, at least one hundred.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight, at least one hundred, No, no, twenty eight
Speaker 1: ever since twenty eight? Can you hear me? Two eight?
Speaker 2: What? Wait? You are any stats on me? No?
Speaker 1: I told you On IAFD dot com they have they
Speaker 1: have a thing. It tells you everyone you've ever worked with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and at the bottom it says, I think on record,
Speaker 1: that's on record. Yeah. See, you're almost like a nun.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight. It's pretty good. You're You're fine. I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about some of your content. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you're a porn star, I think, and tell
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Maybe about your person. I think
Speaker 1: you're an artist who's really hot and enjoy sex. So
Speaker 1: you went, I'm gonna try and make this my art.
Speaker 2: I really like that perspective.
Speaker 1: That's yeah that if that at all sounded insulting, I
Speaker 1: didn't mean it that way. Oh okay, okay, Are are
Speaker 1: you artistic? Like? Have you been artistic throughout your life?
Speaker 1: Are you? And if you are, what is your medium?
Speaker 1: Whatever that medium is music? Like you said, is that.
Speaker 2: In regards to my modeling work, like a lot of
Speaker 2: my photoshoots and.
Speaker 1: Pictures eat in regards to you as a person.
Speaker 2: As a person, Oh, I mean honestly, I think a
Speaker 2: lot of my my sex drive, me naturally being in
Speaker 2: this industry stems from me being an athlete. So in
Speaker 2: my vanilla life, I train martial arts and my so
Speaker 2: on fat life. What I love about that is not
Speaker 2: only can you find out where kings and fetishes are
Speaker 2: and how it narrows down the list when meeting other
Speaker 2: people instead of being around the bush, you get to
Speaker 2: learn your sex personality and your sex style, so that'll
Speaker 2: help find other people that are similar to you who
Speaker 2: would be more compatible. So I found out I'm more primal,
Speaker 2: and I think that translates into how I naturally portray
Speaker 2: myself on camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that primal is the term?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that like an actual term like an actual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll finish culture obedism world. Yeah, that's definitely a
Speaker 2: term for certain types of people and their sex styles, like,
Speaker 2: for example, biting and scratching. Not many people are into that,
Speaker 2: but the ones that are primal naturally are.
Speaker 1: Is there is there an inverse to primal like dominant
Speaker 1: sub Yeah?
Speaker 2: So what's amazing is that you don't have to be
Speaker 2: just one one main uh, one main style, sure, or
Speaker 2: one main sex identity. M Like you could be like certain,
Speaker 2: do you do smoke herbs and weed?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So you know how there's indica, tativas and hybrid, right,
Speaker 2: you can find out what kind of hybrids you are
Speaker 2: in the co dominant hybrid tativa dominant hybrid. So yeah, uh,
Speaker 2: with being dominant and sub if if you naturally ken
Speaker 2: me both dominant and submissive, which is me, I'm a switch.
Speaker 2: So that's okay. So at first, at first I saw
Speaker 2: myself as a switch being, being able to portray myself
Speaker 2: genuinely as dominant or sub depending on who I'm with
Speaker 2: and what kind of relationship dynamic I have with that person.
Speaker 2: And then I also found out that I'm primal, So
Speaker 2: ultimately I consider myself as a primal switch in the
Speaker 2: BDS some world and that is that where you're getting
Speaker 2: out with your question kind of.
Speaker 1: But I liked your answer anyway because it gave me
Speaker 1: more information. But actually not at all. But I did
Speaker 1: like your answer. It did give me information, it wasn't
Speaker 1: at all what I was asking, is there is there
Speaker 1: an inverse to primal? Is there like a pamper, like
Speaker 1: someone who doesn't like anything at.
Speaker 2: You know, there's an opposite or yani yang, right? I see,
Speaker 2: So the yani yang of dominance is submissive, So the
Speaker 2: yanni yang of primal would be of course a prey,
Speaker 2: someone that likes being chased, someone that likes being caught,
Speaker 2: someone that likes being dominated, and almost like an almost
Speaker 2: like a far away like how there are people that
Speaker 2: dress as dogs or puppies in that realm or who
Speaker 2: naturally have an affinity or identity or persona as as
Speaker 2: a cat or a dog or a puppy. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: that's where certain yeah, those certain personality types come into play.
Speaker 1: So you can be so how does a okay, last
Speaker 1: question on this?
Speaker 2: So that's the ironic part, And you know what, that's
Speaker 2: a really good question because I haven't thought of that
Speaker 2: angle before. So I'm only in a switch in the
Speaker 2: dominant substance, but I don't switch in a primal sense
Speaker 2: like naturally. If I find someone that's also primal or
Speaker 2: another dominant male, uh I would see them as equal,
Speaker 2: you know, or for our relationship dynamic to work, you know.
Speaker 2: But if if they're too dominant, or if they're too
Speaker 2: prideful to eat, egotistical and usually toxic, it gets to
Speaker 2: that point, then we're not going to get along.
Speaker 1: Sure, So wait, you can't you yourself can't. I'm not
Speaker 1: to pray if that's no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, can you be a primal
Speaker 1: sub and then does the dom have to be primal
Speaker 1: as well?
Speaker 2: Or no? No? Okay, So no, A really good question there.
Speaker 2: Depending on who it is, I can be primal, So
Speaker 2: up if I see that person as an equal, you know,
Speaker 2: and like none of it is forced, none of it
Speaker 2: is pressured, and uh it usually it would feel natural,
Speaker 2: you know. And I only say primal in a way
Speaker 2: where the Okay. So I definitely have been with dozens
Speaker 2: of guys in and out of the industry, and surprisingly enough, uh,
Speaker 2: I usually come across a couple of other primals like me,
Speaker 2: like every dozen dudes. So me, it's rare, and it's
Speaker 2: like a treat, like you know, we're into like certainly
Speaker 2: real certain like kinky things. But I only emphasize primal
Speaker 2: because those are the those are the those usually are
Speaker 2: that the personality types that really like match like could
Speaker 2: be really on par with me, sure like such rally
Speaker 2: and personality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I notice some of the primal stuff in
Speaker 1: some of your content, and and I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: I had a totally different perspective of your personality before
Speaker 1: I started like doving in listening to other interviews and
Speaker 1: here talking to you. Now you slight on me. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a professional. Oh yeah, oh please. My wife teared
Speaker 1: up when I was nominated for an av N last year.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to I have to put some
Speaker 1: level of effort. Yeah, I mean, come on, I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm going up against plug talk. It's you know, that's fine,
Speaker 1: It's fine. I'll always be second place. So here's here's
Speaker 1: where I noticed that there's a scene you shot, and
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you about that scene you shot
Speaker 1: for gloryholeswallows dot Com, which I believe is if I've
Speaker 1: emailed him before, Dave gentlemen named Dave perhaps sometimes Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if that's the Vegas one, Arizona one.
Speaker 1: I think I see Arizona one. Okay, Okay, So for
Speaker 1: people who can't understand the concept of that name, Glory
Speaker 1: whole Swallows, it's exactly what it sounds like. But there's
Speaker 1: one part where this gentleman can't finish and he comes
Speaker 1: into the room and you are looking at him like, dude,
Speaker 1: if we were praying Manti right now, and don't think
Speaker 1: that's the plural, I would take your fucking head off.
Speaker 1: You were like looking up at this dude like if
Speaker 1: I was him, and you're like blowing him at one
Speaker 1: point and you're looking up at him. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: i'd be scared of her teeth right now, man, don't
Speaker 1: fuck around. And then he has the audacity he's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, could I fuck you? And you're just like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: just get this shit done with.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I give her that flashback. I totally
Speaker 2: forgot that happened.
Speaker 1: So you do remember that though, Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Back to me, now, was that just it? I didn't
Speaker 2: realize you kept off.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Let me let me say, let me say this. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was it was the scene and I'd seen other
Speaker 1: stuff you had done before, but it was the scene
Speaker 1: I seen where I was like, when you use the
Speaker 1: word primal, I go, oh, that is the definition, because
Speaker 1: it almost looked again. It's all open for interpretation. I'm
Speaker 1: going to ask you about that scene. But if you
Speaker 1: were in a positive light, you could go like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, she just wants to finish this guy to
Speaker 1: get to the next one. It's so sexy. Blah blah blah. Really,
Speaker 1: what I'm going to ask you is, was it like
Speaker 1: later in the day and you were just like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I need to wrap this, let's go.
Speaker 2: I mean I I was definitely insatiable, you know, like
Speaker 2: I we wanted to move on to the to the
Speaker 2: next person that that side, that side of me only
Speaker 2: came out because he he took a lot more work
Speaker 2: than the other guys, Like, uh, I don't know he
Speaker 2: if he already jacked off that day, and I saved
Speaker 2: his pop shot because because uh, usually most guys they're amateurs.
Speaker 2: Usually most guys are professional. No went to save their
Speaker 2: pop shots. No went to edge you know, So I
Speaker 2: don't know if he was eating junk food not getting
Speaker 2: enough rest or or if he really needs a more
Speaker 2: like in person uh physical element to really get him closer.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's benefit of the doubt. I'm being understanding.
Speaker 2: But yes, I do have a side to me that
Speaker 2: does get impatient, and I have a side to me.
Speaker 2: And the paring mantis is such a perfect analogy because
Speaker 2: at least once a month I do have have you
Speaker 2: seen the movie Species? Yeah, at least once a month,
Speaker 2: which is usually when I'm on my period, I get
Speaker 2: extra horny, extra intense, uh, extra piste off at the
Speaker 2: same time, so I legit I feel like I'm in heat.
Speaker 2: And there are times like biologically speaking, I just wanna
Speaker 2: and I and that ties into my my genuine cream
Speaker 2: pie breeding fetish.
Speaker 1: We'll have to touch on that obviously.
Speaker 2: So it is a real thing for me and me
Speaker 2: being an authentic primal, like I generally do just wanna
Speaker 2: like fuck biologically for like the mating, fucking breeding purposes,
Speaker 2: and I do have it in me where like I
Speaker 2: have fantasized about killing Jesus Christ right after like like
Speaker 2: the analogy and epiphany, I'm like Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why that's the thing. It's like
Speaker 2: how you guys just spuck so also you know, for
Speaker 2: reading purposes, you know, not trying to put a lifelong partner.
Speaker 2: But it is that thing biology speaking and an animal
Speaker 2: kingdom like oh that clicks, that checks out?
Speaker 1: What Okay, I got it? What is And I've heard
Speaker 1: it before obviously it's not like some giant revelation.
Speaker 2: But to hearers too, like female spiders do the same
Speaker 2: thing too. Yeah, they kill right after they mate usually. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they just only want uh, the offspring, you know, when
Speaker 2: they're fertile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hear that, guys, Yeah, guys. Yeah, And you know
Speaker 1: what that She's not uncommon. Most women probably feel the
Speaker 1: same way once a month. Okay, I'm going to take
Speaker 1: your fucking head off right now, sir.
Speaker 2: That's a group.
Speaker 1: And you know what, most of those guys are probably
Speaker 1: listening to my show. If I'm being honest, I love you.
Speaker 1: You're all great. U.
Speaker 2: I mean that ties into sorry sidebar, like if there
Speaker 2: was ever in a zombie apocalypse, like one of the
Speaker 2: things one of the main motives for me to have
Speaker 2: a different type of bird control where I don't have
Speaker 2: to take a pill every day is for the zombie
Speaker 2: pocalypse analogy, Like I it would be such a hassle
Speaker 2: to just go on my runs and find condoms, you know,
Speaker 2: I should just have the implantation and not worry about
Speaker 2: finding condoms during the zombie pocalypse. And I'm the type
Speaker 2: of person that, please be honest and let me know
Speaker 2: if you got bitten, suck a time when we could
Speaker 2: get our last fucking before you turn. I'm that type
Speaker 2: of person that thinks of shit like that.
Speaker 1: By the way, By the way, did we just write
Speaker 1: a script?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: I never thought of hear me out. I never thought
Speaker 1: of this. When the apocalypse happens, right, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: like four forms of currency, okay, five, righty here, let
Speaker 1: me give them to you, cigarettes, toilet paper, alcohol, bullets, pussy.
Speaker 1: There you go, those are your five types, right?
Speaker 2: What if?
Speaker 1: How about how about this script? Ready? A what are
Speaker 1: they called in Vegas? Not a cat house? That's like
Speaker 1: makes me sound like an eighty year old man. What
Speaker 1: are they called house? Yeah, brothel? Brothel that was the word. Okay, brothel,
Speaker 1: it's a brothel. And then there's word from the outside
Speaker 1: that a zombie attack's broken out, So this group of
Speaker 1: rogue women go out and try and find the community
Speaker 1: that they can fuck their way into. Now it's not
Speaker 1: a porn though, it's just a strange script. And then
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. That's only half of the movie.
Speaker 1: The other half is them now rising to power by
Speaker 1: using themselves and their personalities and their bodies and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah to get up. There's your script, Go write it,
Speaker 1: artist for it.
Speaker 2: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's find someone that'll write it, because I never will.
Speaker 1: But that's a good idea, Okay.
Speaker 2: Sucker Punch and Mad Max, Yeah that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you that soccer Punch. I got too
Speaker 1: drunk and fell asleep. Uh my wife likes it, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a good movie. But yeah, she's pretty cool. Okay.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you again. These people are gonna
Speaker 1: be like, hey, Matt, talk about something.
Speaker 2: What is what?
Speaker 1: Stop giving a script ideas, asshole in front and have
Speaker 1: a conversation here. Uh, let me ask you. Have you
Speaker 1: not yet accomplished something on your fuck it bucket list? Sexually? Like,
Speaker 1: in terms of the industry, is there a type of
Speaker 1: scene you've yet to shoot that you really want to,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's a person that you really want to
Speaker 1: work with you've just not been able to any of
Speaker 1: those things. Tell me something that you haven't gotten to yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well off top I thought of. I just brainstorm
Speaker 2: like around five give or take things. For sure, I
Speaker 2: have yet to get my uh A tentacle scene in.
Speaker 2: I legit have a tentacle fetish okay, and and I
Speaker 2: generally have again with me being a primal, I generally
Speaker 2: have a vampire and wearable fetish as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, well, I mean we're gonna come back to that. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we gotta take another break, but continue continue
Speaker 1: with this short industry protocols.
Speaker 2: Apparently down the grapevine, I heard that's still categorized as
Speaker 2: BC reality, so that won't pan out on certain platforms
Speaker 2: and certain certain spaces.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it's I fight with X videos
Speaker 1: getting videos uploaded just all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: That means I would have to rig up three fuck
Speaker 2: machines by myself and just attach tentacle dildos on them
Speaker 2: and just maybe worry.
Speaker 1: It's you know what the you could do it and
Speaker 1: someone will buy it. I mean, you're gorgeous and it's
Speaker 1: a great idea and yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You can find a way to sell it dropbox or
Speaker 1: something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, so that's what Wait
Speaker 1: wait technical scene?
Speaker 2: Yeah where will fetters scene?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: But okay, So aside from that, sexuality wise, I'm also
Speaker 2: attracted to all genders. I'm omnisexual, and that's similar to
Speaker 2: being pan sexual. What they both have in common is
Speaker 2: being attracted to all genders. But the difference is that
Speaker 2: when you're pan sexual, you focus on that person's main
Speaker 2: identity and persona and how they want to portray themselves
Speaker 2: as and present themselves as, whereas me being omnisexual, I
Speaker 2: considered that as well take that into account, but I
Speaker 2: also acknowledged their biological sex that they were originally born
Speaker 2: with instead of just focusing on their personality.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, So.
Speaker 2: Off cam, I've had sex with transgenders, but I had
Speaker 2: to have an official one on cam, so that's on
Speaker 2: my slash Spuckulist. And then last thing off the top
Speaker 2: of my head is, uh, before I got into the industry,
Speaker 2: one of my favorite porn companies that used to watch
Speaker 2: was Burning Angels.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: So it's still on my buglass slash fuckless to have
Speaker 2: some kind of aintal through use with Joanna Angel and
Speaker 2: small Hands. And it's crazy because I've crossed paths with
Speaker 2: them a couple of times when I finally started going
Speaker 2: to the A v N and those expos and conventions,
Speaker 2: and I still get shy around them. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think the next time I cross passed with them, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna suck it. Get it.
Speaker 1: To two exonicas ago, I woke up to Johanna Angel,
Speaker 1: who I had no idea, was so tiny, no idea,
Speaker 1: and I just I go like this. I had like
Speaker 1: a card like with my podcast stuff on it. How
Speaker 1: you doing mat? And she just looked at me like
Speaker 1: get this fucking monster away from me, please. I don't
Speaker 1: blame her. I just came out of nowhere. It was terrified,
Speaker 1: trying to get physical. It were in her bubble or no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not a fucking creep. No, I wasn't in your bubble?
Speaker 2: Was that extra energy?
Speaker 1: I'm just I flop around like the Looney Tunes guy,
Speaker 1: what's his name? Gossamer, the Big red thing or I'm
Speaker 1: like Tasmanian devil. I don't know. I'm a mess. And
Speaker 1: she was terrified just because I was no, no, no.
Speaker 1: She gave me the uh no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not at all, not a bitch face. She gave me
Speaker 1: a somebody gets security, this guy's gonna try and hurt
Speaker 1: me face.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I did not come within her bubble. I was not
Speaker 1: more than an arm's length when I tried to handle
Speaker 1: my card and I didn't just jam it. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, hi, was there a line? There was
Speaker 1: no The line had just maybe the line had just
Speaker 1: started to form. There were maybe two people, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be in line. I didn't want any time.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to give a business card, say hi,
Speaker 1: my name is mad I work with these people. I
Speaker 1: just wanted you to you know, I would love to
Speaker 1: have you on for an interview sometime. Blah blah.
Speaker 2: While she curved you real quick.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't again, it wasn't her fault. Wasn't
Speaker 1: her fault at all. I'm a big dumb monster. And
Speaker 1: I came tumbling at her. And she was in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: which is already terrifying.
Speaker 2: In the Jersey. That's a reputation.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, the reputation of being the best the
Speaker 1: Garden State having pork role. I understand, we got it.
Speaker 1: Thanks theahs. Yeah yeah yeah, I mean yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: You said, I don't blame her like me being a model.
Speaker 2: It's definitely hit or miss with me too. Like I,
Speaker 2: I honestly can't always look friendly all the time. I'll
Speaker 2: be honest about that. And I already naturally had my
Speaker 2: guard up because I didn't grow up sheltered or privileged,
Speaker 2: so I natually don't trust people anyways. So that's something
Speaker 2: that I even I have to balance is keeping myself
Speaker 2: in check with balancing thing friendly generally trying to be
Speaker 2: generally friendly to fans, you know, and showing love, but
Speaker 2: also being wary of like other people's intentions, you know,
Speaker 2: like because there you know, there are always predators around
Speaker 2: and people trying to take advantage of other people.
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Speaker 1: So, as a fan, what is the best way for
Speaker 1: me to approach, you know, a performer in public. They're
Speaker 1: they're obviously there's gonna be some people you should have
Speaker 1: never approached at all, and you should never approach aggressively.
Speaker 1: I don't mean by that, I mean almost like like
Speaker 1: if I were in a situation like this where I
Speaker 1: would say, you know.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, are you chanting crossfire? I love your content?
Speaker 6: You know, would you mind if I had an autograph
Speaker 6: or a picture or something like that like that that
Speaker 6: is I'm not even like playing that up. I'm just
Speaker 6: not that guy where I go up aggressively. If I
Speaker 6: come up aggressively, it's because I'm a big dumb animal.
Speaker 6: It's not because I'm trying to be aggressive. So, dude,
Speaker 6: So what is the best way for a fan to
Speaker 6: if they were to approach you outside of a convention?
Speaker 6: And then maybe a convention is not not different in
Speaker 6: that they're allowed to grab you or anything, but it's
Speaker 6: a little more understanding because you're at the thing kind
Speaker 6: of you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it really depends. Honestly, I try to give
Speaker 2: people the benefit of the doubt. You know, people get excited.
Speaker 2: People have different personalities. Maybe they're the spectrum, maybe they
Speaker 2: have a d d uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: And I can't speak for other models, but at least
Speaker 2: for myself, like uh, approaching me like with my personality type,
Speaker 2: definitely like don't come at me too fast, definitely not
Speaker 2: within my bubble and my space. A good safe, a
Speaker 2: good safe, respectful distance boundaries, you know. And if if
Speaker 2: we're already in like a convention exposed setting and an
Speaker 2: adult setting, then yeah, go for it, you know, ask
Speaker 2: me if I'm chanting crossfire, ask me to take a picture,
Speaker 2: you know, be respectful of course. But if you're in
Speaker 2: like a vanilla setting, you know, in public, then yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I guess some implied etiquette of you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, with whispering or uh, just like some
Speaker 2: acknowledgment you know.
Speaker 1: But don't bother people when they're eating. Well, if you
Speaker 1: if you desperately want like annogree for a picture or something,
Speaker 1: you may have to just wait and then don't be
Speaker 1: a creep about it. Don't stand behind them.
Speaker 2: Another yeah etiquet across the board too.
Speaker 1: When they're eating or with badly.
Speaker 2: Really it's hard to balance, you know, I understand being opportunistic,
Speaker 2: like this might be the only change you see this
Speaker 2: person which I totally understand. It's it's such a thing
Speaker 2: to balance, you know, but everyone want's mood fluctuates and changes,
Speaker 2: you know, Like sometimes i could be friendly and I'm open,
Speaker 2: you know, uh to embracing fans, and then sometimes I'm
Speaker 2: just like fuck off, you know. But across the board
Speaker 2: in regards to people's safety, yeah, just just being more
Speaker 2: careful and you know, since I have of consent and
Speaker 2: permission to ask if it's okay, sick picture or even
Speaker 2: like just some people are okay with just a simple
Speaker 2: like acknowledgment and high you know.
Speaker 1: But you know what, that's what makes the conventions so great.
Speaker 1: They're an outlet for those things. You can go and
Speaker 1: get your autographs, you can get your pictures. Last year
Speaker 1: we went and I watched. I made my wife watch
Speaker 1: actually because it was hilarious. My wife is not she's
Speaker 1: not a prude, but she's much more vanilla than me
Speaker 1: because I'm a pig. And we watched, and I was
Speaker 1: going to talk to Alex Cole because we had been
Speaker 1: emailing back and forth, and then we both kind of
Speaker 1: just fell off and I wanted to introduce myself again.
Speaker 1: So I come running at her and no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: I respectfully waited in line. But the gentleman in front
Speaker 1: of us was a true gentleman, and he paid Alex
Speaker 1: the whatever amount and then he laid on the floor
Speaker 1: and for five minutes she rubbed her feet in his
Speaker 1: mouth with her socks on. And I was like, this
Speaker 1: is fun. This is a fun industry.
Speaker 2: But we hold on. Yeah, and I'm curious about thee
Speaker 2: was she needing?
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I didn't see it. She it
Speaker 1: was behind the podium. I made my wife go around
Speaker 1: and look. Okay, but I didn't look because I mean,
Speaker 1: I've seen I mean, I'm so desensitized everything. It would
Speaker 1: have been fine if that guy was drinking dumpster juice
Speaker 1: with her feet in his face. I would have been like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's normal, that's normal with the shit I've seen so so,
Speaker 1: but those conventions are for that type of thing. Go
Speaker 1: get your picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's almost like sex positivity and body positivity for sure.
Speaker 1: But I will say there's an etiquette at these things
Speaker 1: as well. It's not just a free for all. I
Speaker 1: felt so bad. Last last year we met up with
Speaker 1: someone I had interviewed a few times. She's the only
Speaker 1: fans performer blew up. I love her. She is just
Speaker 1: a sweetheart. Cat karma or gasmic people check her out
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen her before. But her and her
Speaker 1: husband produced a lot of gang bang content, good stuff. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I met them for the first time, and I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of guys like, because she's not some big
Speaker 1: name with security or anything, they were super disrespectful. At
Speaker 1: the end of the night, I was like, I wanted
Speaker 1: to say goodbye. It was a pleasure meeting you this
Speaker 1: and that. You know, I really loved you.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: If you're here next year, maybe we could do dinner
Speaker 1: or something like that. And then the next guy behind
Speaker 1: me after I said bye kind of just walks up
Speaker 1: and like slaps her ass and he's like, let's take picture.
Speaker 2: Again. This is.
Speaker 1: Her first year at one of these things. She kind
Speaker 1: I saw the look on her face and I was
Speaker 1: just kind of and she didn't say anything. And maybe
Speaker 1: I'm drawling something out of nothing. I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: what I saw, But I saw like this look on
Speaker 1: her face, like, ugh, comebag. So when you go to
Speaker 1: these things, make sure there's an etiquette there. Just because
Speaker 1: they're dressed sexy and fun consigned and ship there is
Speaker 1: an etiicqutt be a human being. If you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: you're a human being.
Speaker 2: Again, that's such a tricky thing too, because we have
Speaker 2: yet to really implement that, like as a mainstream protocol.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be implied, you know, like I have got
Speaker 2: to see some kind of statement on the site. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know they put the screamers for people who
Speaker 2: purchase these passes yet and put these girls and etiquettes
Speaker 2: on there because I know, I know the sex parties
Speaker 2: they have on their biodescription, like you know, how to
Speaker 2: come dressed and your hygiene and being respectful and then
Speaker 2: no one's obligated to do anything knows knows and no
Speaker 2: you know. Sure, but yeah, it's such a tricky thing,
Speaker 2: especially at that convention and being in this industry. A
Speaker 2: lot of people stereotype and get it twisted and assume that.
Speaker 2: I mean people people don't understand that not everyone is
Speaker 2: the same, you know, everyone is different, not everyone. Some
Speaker 2: people do get off being objectified, Some people don't sure.
Speaker 2: Some people like the extra attention. Some people don't. You know,
Speaker 2: some of us are extroverts, some of us are introverts,
Speaker 2: you know, so.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, someone told me that recently, and that really
Speaker 1: really surprised me, because dumb, stupid brain me that took
Speaker 1: one psychology class in high school was like, well, these
Speaker 1: girls are fucking on camera. They must at least be extroverts.
Speaker 1: They must really be a bit. And so many people
Speaker 1: I've talked to recently, big giant name born stars, have
Speaker 1: done giant gang bangs and this and that and come everywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that come everywhere, and they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm an introvert. I like to just kind of me too.
Speaker 2: I'm actually an introvert as well, which is why I
Speaker 2: always need extra time to recharge in between my travels,
Speaker 2: and I don't go out unless it's the gym or
Speaker 2: for work or my community volunteer activism and me being
Speaker 2: primal and me also doing femdom on the side too,
Speaker 2: I definitely like if I'm away from the gym too long,
Speaker 2: I have less patience and tolerance around people. And I
Speaker 2: know that about myself enough to like keep myself inside.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, you know what, there's something there's something so
Speaker 1: so mature or intelligent about that though, where like you
Speaker 1: you said you were you weren't quite fifty one fifty,
Speaker 1: but maybe fifty one forty eight and uh and and
Speaker 1: and you pulled yourself out of that. You just pulled
Speaker 1: You just recognized one day, Hey this is shit. Let
Speaker 1: me get out of this. You just you know, recognize
Speaker 1: that other that's very mature. And I think that's probably
Speaker 1: why you are successful in this and you will continue
Speaker 1: to be successful because I think you understand that, yes,
Speaker 1: this can be fun, Yes this can be or, but
Speaker 1: it's it's a job too, you know, Exactly.
Speaker 2: My first a VAN interview, she told me that it's
Speaker 2: good to note that there are more levelheaded people in
Speaker 2: this industry. And that's what I also bring to the table,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I I'm very aware of how disillusioned
Speaker 2: I am of this industry, but also still optimistic and
Speaker 2: idealistic enough how it's still making progressive changes, you know,
Speaker 2: and being more inclusive and diverse, and we're having we're
Speaker 2: starting to have better safety protocols and better mentoring, you know,
Speaker 2: for new people coming in out of this industry. And
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm glad I got into this industry
Speaker 2: with the life experience I already had because I first
Speaker 2: moved out at eighteen. If I had gone into the
Speaker 2: industry at eighteen with my old self sabotactry habits before
Speaker 2: I started, before I went soul searching, before I started
Speaker 2: forgetting myself into people, I wouldn't have survived and made
Speaker 2: it out alive. I honestly believe that, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: an I'm glad I'm not one of those statistics, which
Speaker 2: is ironic, but that's why I see myself as a
Speaker 2: game changer in this industry. You know, like I said,
Speaker 2: not all of us are superficial and not all of
Speaker 2: us are shallow. You could bring wholesomeness into this industry
Speaker 2: and positivity, you know, and sex is healing when done right,
Speaker 2: you know, when it's consensual, we take our power back.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been trying to educate people on all
Speaker 2: these podcasts and interviews that I've been doing, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me let me ask you this last
Speaker 1: question here, what is the end game? Are you making
Speaker 1: porn at seventy five years old, which is totally it's
Speaker 1: you know, you're right, it is. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: there's a market for everyone. So if yeh hay, who
Speaker 1: doesn't want that type of porn? Me I'm good. I'll
Speaker 1: watch the younger stuff of you, the stuff in your
Speaker 1: fifties or something. But more power to the women make it,
Speaker 1: and more power to the guys and buy it. I
Speaker 1: don't give a shit. That's your business man. Whatever you're
Speaker 1: gonna do, is that the end game to work in
Speaker 1: this industry forever is the end game to get big
Speaker 1: enough financially you're out, good to go or what is it?
Speaker 1: Tell me?
Speaker 2: Well, let's see. Definitely there's a fetish and kink and
Speaker 2: market for everything. I know that now because of this industry.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm so grateful to have been able to
Speaker 2: take care of my mental health these last three years
Speaker 2: and find my authenticity where I've started to own up
Speaker 2: and accept the fact that I will have fans that
Speaker 2: will appreciate and respect all these sides to me and
Speaker 2: all these aspects to me. You know, I used to
Speaker 2: keep I used to keep those two separate, you know,
Speaker 2: but now it's it's integrating in a good like harmonic way.
Speaker 2: And yeah, my endgame and big picture really is, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the more exposure I have, the more platforms I have,
Speaker 2: the more I'm able to talk about what really matters
Speaker 2: to me, which is actually mental health and certain social
Speaker 2: justice issues. You know, like the more we're able to
Speaker 2: have these deep conversations and I live for deep conversations
Speaker 2: and these hard conversations, I think that's really where the
Speaker 2: healing finally starts to happen in our communities. When it
Speaker 2: starts with ourselves, you know, we'll be able to find
Speaker 2: things that we could relate to. We could share our
Speaker 2: pain together and our grief together. And that's what I hope,
Speaker 2: you know, calling myself a pandemic porn star that I
Speaker 2: hope to bring to the table, like we need healing
Speaker 2: more than ever, especially in our communities where things are
Speaker 2: so like stigmatized, you know, and there's not that type
Speaker 2: of acceptance, and we need more levelheaded people because able
Speaker 2: to balance the pros and cons, the hard truth, the realities,
Speaker 2: but the beautiful struggle in it too, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: the human aspect to it.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean I wrote that script before.
Speaker 1: Let me write out the rest of your life. Here's
Speaker 1: where it is ready.
Speaker 2: I'll admit I didn't think I would. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: holy shit. I think this might be at least, uh,
Speaker 2: my third or fourth year in this industry, and I
Speaker 2: didn't think I was going to be in it this long,
Speaker 2: but but honestly, because of the pandemic and quarantine, it
Speaker 2: has changed, like certain schedules, you know, certain stepbacks that
Speaker 2: would have been different if if if I was in
Speaker 2: it before. But I think, uh, that's that's a whole
Speaker 2: other conversation too, in the pros and cons of having
Speaker 2: all these new platforms now, which is good for people
Speaker 2: who don't want to go out, probably better for introverts
Speaker 2: don't want to have to fold people. But but that's
Speaker 2: nothing with mental health as well. Like I I feel
Speaker 2: like because I'm an introvert naturally, I don't other people's
Speaker 2: opinions don't bother me as much. But I think that
Speaker 2: it's really the extroverts in this industry that I think
Speaker 2: we're having a hard time integrating into conventional life if
Speaker 2: family and friends find out what they do because they
Speaker 2: naturally thrive off of other people's energy, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's uh, that's something I hope. Uh you know again,
Speaker 2: mental health, Uh, what our passions that should help get
Speaker 2: us through.
Speaker 1: Let me let me paint it for you. Here's here's
Speaker 1: what it is really And you know, I try and
Speaker 1: be funny, but here's what it is. Grow bigger, win
Speaker 1: some avns, get some trophies, get some Performer of the
Speaker 1: year stuff, and be the first one that actually succeeds
Speaker 1: at starting a union in this industry. Oh that's look. Look, look,
Speaker 1: you can implement any kind of mental health stuff you want,
Speaker 1: social justice stuff you want. That can be you. Just
Speaker 1: like where you went from sitting on or laying on
Speaker 1: your mom's couch or whatever it was, or the trauma
Speaker 1: you had had. You went from that stuff to walk
Speaker 1: in a red carpet at the av EN. You can
Speaker 1: go from where you are right now to that president
Speaker 1: of the union. You're smart enough to do it. You
Speaker 1: are driven enough, it seems like.
Speaker 2: To do it, So do it. At this point, I
Speaker 2: definitely have faith in Goddess and the multiverse surprise me
Speaker 2: with things. That's for sure. That's probably on the drawing
Speaker 2: board and vision board, and that's probably in the long
Speaker 2: game version of it. But in the in my short
Speaker 2: term goals, I'm just gonna keep having these these amazing,
Speaker 2: beautiful mental health conversations along the way. Yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: finally good fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, my guests, Tonight, the Lovely Channing Crossfire.
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Speaker 1: He now, am I what what's wrong? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: The floor? You're plugging.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, You're good, You're good. This is
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't even know if we
Speaker 1: talked the out sex at all. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's fine, good enough, I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on and having this
Speaker 1: wonderful discussion with me. I think we accomplished a lot.
Speaker 1: I think you are amazing in your content. I feel
Speaker 1: somewhat bad for that dude you screamed at while you
Speaker 1: were blowing him letting. You didn't know, you didn't at him,
Speaker 1: you glared at him with smoky eyeshadow. I believe that
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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me