Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen for checking out Going Deeper.
I'm your host, Matt. I've got a great show planning
for you tonight. You'll know my guest tonight from her
appearances on websites such as bangbros dot com and the
slightly last less ambiguous Gangbangcreampie dot com. You can find
links to all of our social media and the episode
description below, but I want to recommend you check out
her only fans at Channy Crossfire. Ladies and gentlemen join
me in welcoming the very sexy Channy Crossfire channing. How
are you tonight?
Speaker 2: Coast?
Speaker 1: What part California? We're at California? Yeah, all right, all right?
Were you good evening as well? Uh? Are you originally?
Where are you originally from? No details, but like do
you ever talk about that?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I'm proud to be a Cali born, Calie
native and people can tell I'm not from around their
area because I I'm friendly now, So I just randomly
say a hided people on the street straighters, and they
just look at me like, yeah from around here? Are you?
Speaker 1: I'm in New Jersey, which is so adjacent to New
York that yes, if I walk down the street and go, hi,
how are you today? Someone will think I'm trying to
fucking rob them of something. God it's rough. It's rough,
but that's good to hear. You're okay. Let me ask
you this the boring question. Everything starts with it. You
go as depth full as you want to. It's just
my audience may not know how'd you initially get into
the adult entertainment industry? Because I want to get through
all the basics because I have a question about your person.
You just pointed something out and I want to I
want to bring something up from some of your scenes.
How did you initially get into the industry?
Speaker 2: Okay, real talk. I think the the real domino effect was,
uh my, my ex broke up with me. That was
my last exclusive, monogamous of vanilla relationship. So I was
a mix of that, and then I had two previous
suicide attempts before that relationship, and it was a mix
of that. And I was like, you know what, I
need to go soul searching. I need to uh get
started on my bucket listculus and it really went from there.
Speaker 1: It took off. That was the fuse that led it.
Speaker 2: Huh oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 1: If it's not too personal, Can I ask how are
you doing nowadays? I?
Speaker 2: Okay, I should you not, As I've gone soul searching
these last three years. Now I know what authenticity really means,
what self care really means, and what self love really means.
And the ironic part of that is I'm so glad
I took that seriously first, like I set those intentions
and had those goals in mind, or else I don't
think I would have survived being in this type of
adult entertainment industry, you.
Speaker 1: Know, sure, I mean, really yeah, life is tough enough
just by itself, you know, throwing in the fact that
you're dealing with being a private contractor essentially you know,
possibly doing your own booking or hiring an agent for that,
shooting these scenes, figuring out how to market it properly,
which is like eighty percent of the job nowadays. It
seems like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is the pro and con of
in trade off of being so employed now and an entrepreneur.
You know, there's that trade off. There's more flexibility, but
there is more work. You know, it's not a conventional
nine to five job, but be able to have like
live life more on your own terms, like again real
talk on more of that origin story of how I
got into the industry. So yeah, I was in the
mix of my last breakup and I called myself a
pandemic porn start because I really got into it right
before Quarantine happened. And the year before Quarantine, I was
already going through that breakup I had. I was in
a car accident with my ex, so I had a
near life death experience and then had to move back
into my mom's place and she used to be toxic,
and then I had lost my job, so I had
a head start before Quarantine to deal with it before
shit really hit the fan. And then I was on
my mom's couch for at least a year until I
met it, until I had signs pointing me to go
into the adult industry, you know again with my bucke
list and Fuckulist, and I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna take this leap of faith and go from there.
And oh my gosh, I like I said, I've it
just really helps that I made it such a positive journey,
Like I'm not doing it for superficial, shallow reasons.
Speaker 1: Right right, It's it's you know, it's such a great
industry because I think so many of you girls, at
least for sexuality and stuff like that, can really like
find your place and find what you like and explore
and find what you don't like. You know, you fucking
hate and never want to do again. And that was
awful and I don't like that. Go on, but you
at least tried it, and you can at least say like,
oh shit, I'm not into that, No, this and that.
And it's only one aspect of your life, the sexuality part,
but it can spider web out to every other aspect
where you're now more organized, you're better with money, you're this,
you're that, you learned how to do photoshop, like gaining I.
Speaker 2: Mean hopefully, hopefully ideally that's what I hope most of
the models that's what they're doing. But not everyone has
good work ethic. Not everyone is, uh is mindful of
the productive side to it. You know, some people really
just want to to fuck you know, and not have
those types of work ethics and work standards. You know.
But yeah, like okay, I mean another easter egg with
my origin story, with that, with my bucket list, fuckulist,
uh before I was officially in industry. I started venturing out,
checking out play parties, sex parties, parties that only existed
in movies, you know. So and I'm just like, holy shit,
these are real life gang bangs and orgies happening in
real life, you know. And yeah, I started going to
them more frequently. And then I got to the point where,
you know what, I think I'm catching an STI, you know,
because everyone everyone's wearing condoms, but no one's vetting for
you know, for STI and Bax South. So I was like, okay,
with me being this sexually active and this high sex strife,
I'm getting tired of having symptoms, you know, because I
would get tested once every three months. And now it
was actually fetlife dot com where I found my first agent,
you know, And that's the that's the website where I
found all these parties. So that's where I met my
first agent, and I was the main the main headline
is I might as well get paid to have safe sex,
you know, like going like having this type of like
high drive and being a natural at it. You know.
I was already familiar with a group dynamics, you know,
and I was That's that's where the learning part comes
in before the industry. When I was going to those parties,
I was experimenting, like Okay, what I like and don't like,
you know, evolving my disin docent boundaries, you know. And
then I got into an industry and I took that
with me, and then I grew from there.
Speaker 1: So were you always like a very sexual person or
was there a point where you you, not not in
a negative way, but crossed that line where you're like, oh,
I'm not tiptoe or maybe that first time you tiptoed
over was it when you went to one of those clubs,
or were you a little earlier than that with experimenting
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I already knew my sexuality was evolving since since
I was little, Like I remember thinking in high school, Okay,
I think i'm by I think I'm also into chicks, right,
And then when I graduated high school and in college,
I'm I remember being like I was already looking into porn,
you know, during high school and after high school, and
I remember thinking, oh, man, I'm starting to like transgenders
as well, like both genders, you know, And that's when
I knew, like my sexuality was evolving, So it went
from me being bisexual too pan sexual to omi sexual.
And I've always been curious about some things, you know,
and my past relationships with my exes. You know, we
were definitely like adventurous with each other, you know, but
in regards to group dynamics, like me being able to
get in my first three thimbs. Was that after the
breakup and when I went to those parties.
Speaker 1: Okay, not not to dredge up bad memories, but I
have to know this. Did you break up with him?
Did he break up with you? Was it just a
mutual thing?
Speaker 2: You know what? I really love that you asked that,
because you're the first one to ask that. I totally understand.
But disclaimer, I I already I've already made peace with
all of that, you know, so I thank you for
asking me that none of that's triggering anymore. But no,
he like real talk. This is another reason why I'm
a mental health advocate. He broke up with me, which
I totally understand because at that time, like even though
we have like we had a lot of things in
common and definitely chemistry, Like not to speak for him,
but at least to speak for myself. There were some
childhood traumas that I didn't completely resolve and make peace with,
and sometimes that would bleed into our relationship, you know,
like I used to be insecure, and I used to
hate myself, and I used to seless shame myself. And
this was before I got into the industry. And there
are moments where I had some toxic femininity, but I
didn't realize it at the time. I was two in
my head, so it was only being able to have
that distance and growing apart and focusing more on myself.
Sure I did all that wisdom and epiphany, like all
those epiphanies finally came to me. So I still have
love and respect for him. I'm just not in love
with him anymore. Honestly, I have no regrets, like if
he hadn't broken up with me, Like I try to
take my own advice, like you should never. I'm at
the point now where you should never be in a
relationship to overcompensate, you know, you really have to learn
to love yourself first, sure you know, and then everything
else should feel like a bonus. You shouldn't have to
overcompensate for someone. And yeah, I learned that the hard way,
but better late than never, you know.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, see, yeah, I ask that because I wonder
did you, okay, did you step into that realm at all?
Because you just were curious and you were at a
different place in your life. You had had others things,
you had dealing with trauma, the breakup, this and that.
Did you was any of it getting back at him thing?
Speaker 2: Or no? Oh?
Speaker 3: No, you know what I know, that's what I wasn't sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that year.
Speaker 2: That year, I was definitely going through a lot, and
I was experimenting with a lot of things. I was
really trying to find myself literally and soul searching. And
uh that that was the first and last time I've
experimented with drugs, like hard drugs, like I've had a
few bumps of cocaine, and looking back, I'm really lucky,
which is another reason why I advocate for one of
my friends, a nonprofit companies called endoverdose dot net. So
they have free openoid awareness training, free final test strips,
narcana lockzoon. So there's that too.
Speaker 1: One more one more time, can you give me that
website one more time? I'm gonna I want to plug
it here, but I my younger brother actually died of
a heroin overdose, So it is you know, close to me.
Please plug that website one more time and.
Speaker 2: Overdose dot net e N D O V E R
d O s E dot nets.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm gonna put that in the episode description
as well. Uh, when people are down there checking out
your Twitter and everything else, if you have someone in
your life that suffers from that type of thing, definitely
check out that link, you know, or if you're suffering
with that yourself. So that was the first time you experimented,
did you did you find that you had a personality
that migrated towards overuse of those things?
Speaker 2: You know what? That's another thing I because I was
having such a hard year. Uh, it gave me that
understanding of why I would experiment and try some things.
But I was lucky enough to already have the wisdom
with my previous bad habits, like being able to recognize
that I've had previous self sabotaging habits to know not
to be to dependent on it, you know, like the
old me would have abused it. But because that whole year,
I saw it as a make it or break it,
like it was. It was my lifeline that year, like,
not that I was fifty one fifty, I mean, I
was definitely kind of unhinged. But something was telling me
that year to just focus all my passions like a lifeline,
you know, to make it through. Because yeah, honestly, because
of everything I was going through, it would have it
would have broken most people. I the only would have
have attempted a third a suicide attempt. But instinctively and intuitively,
I knew if I did at their time, it would
actually pan out and it would actually be a success.
And so I was very aware of conscience, conscientious of that.
So that's why I take yoga and martial arts so seriously,
because that's literally what I really focused on that whole year,
to just keep my sanity in check, to keep me
out of trouble, because that was I was starting to
get angry at the world, uh that year, you know,
and I was itching to get into fights. It got
to that point. But like I said, I'm glad that
broke me in a year before quarantine people, before collectively
other people were starting to lose their ship, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ask me about my go bag and my trunk, yeah,
I know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Definitely we did have one I I have more than
a couple of go I do, I do.
Speaker 1: I just bought a little mini shopple the other day
to put in there. There we go, There we go.
Uh I uh, We're gonna take a quick break my
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heard other people say before Channing Crossfire. You can find
links to all of our social media in the episode
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want to play a game with you. Would you mind
if you play it?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: The game is called porn Words. Okay. I'm going to
give you a clue for the correct answer, and your
job is to tell me what that word is. It's
basically the game passwords.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I can't say any form of the answer in my
clues to you. You can pass at any time, and
if there's still time on the clock, we'll go back
and you can get the ones you missed. You'll have.
I'll give you an example. You have sixty nine seconds
on the clock and ten answers to figure out. But
say I made like say I was like soft drink?
What would you say? Soft drink?
Speaker 2: Soda?
Speaker 1: Pop, soda brand?
Speaker 2: Oh, Coca cola?
Speaker 1: There you go, perfect, there you go. See you just
throw out answers. I'll try and give you clues. Now
here's the thing. These are all porn related categories. Okay, okay, okay,
all right, okay, sixty nine seconds on the clock. You
will start when I say it starts. You can pass
it anytime. We'll come back to it if you have to,
and good to go. Three two question number one, Uh
dressing up like animals?
Speaker 2: Oh fury.
Speaker 1: There you go. Number two, woman in charge, don boss, lady,
keep going first part of that moment. There you go,
all right. Number two. Uh, not your mouth, pussy or.
Speaker 2: Ask.
Speaker 1: There you go. Number four, bunch of guys, one girl,
gang very okay, uh, gang bang gang bang. Correct. Number five,
bunch of guys, A bunch of guys, one girl, very
sticky face. Okay. Number six, if you don't swallow you,
there you go. Number seven, basic sex position, starting out
on it. Everyone starts out on it.
Speaker 2: Everyone starts okay, flacial.
Speaker 1: No ten seconds. Yeah, there you go. Number eight two
in the same body at the same time. Five double penetration,
got it older, mature time time. There you go. Eight
out of ten is pretty fucking good, though, okay, uh
for a tiebreaker. According to ia FD dot com, the
Internet Adult Film Database, which doesn't include certain things like
OnlyFans or this or that. It's more just kind of
like website mainstream type stuff for the tiebreaker. According to
ia FD dot com as of this recording, how many
male performers have you worked with?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I lost count. We're not even talking
about before I got into nothing.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about any of that. And we're not
talking about any of the numbers. They don't count. You're
gonna have a tough time getting into heaven after this one.
Speaker 2: But to many, let's see, at least one hundred.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight, at least one hundred, No, no, twenty eight
ever since twenty eight? Can you hear me? Two eight?
Speaker 2: What? Wait? You are any stats on me? No?
Speaker 1: I told you On IAFD dot com they have they
have a thing. It tells you everyone you've ever worked with. Yeah,
and at the bottom it says, I think on record,
that's on record. Yeah. See, you're almost like a nun.
Twenty eight. It's pretty good. You're You're fine. I do
want to talk about some of your content. I don't
know if you're a porn star, I think, and tell
me if I'm wrong. Maybe about your person. I think
you're an artist who's really hot and enjoy sex. So
you went, I'm gonna try and make this my art.
Speaker 2: I really like that perspective.
Speaker 1: That's yeah that if that at all sounded insulting, I
didn't mean it that way. Oh okay, okay, Are are
you artistic? Like? Have you been artistic throughout your life?
Are you? And if you are, what is your medium?
Whatever that medium is music? Like you said, is that.
Speaker 2: In regards to my modeling work, like a lot of
my photoshoots and.
Speaker 1: Pictures eat in regards to you as a person.
Speaker 2: As a person, Oh, I mean honestly, I think a
lot of my my sex drive, me naturally being in
this industry stems from me being an athlete. So in
my vanilla life, I train martial arts and my so
on fat life. What I love about that is not
only can you find out where kings and fetishes are
and how it narrows down the list when meeting other
people instead of being around the bush, you get to
learn your sex personality and your sex style, so that'll
help find other people that are similar to you who
would be more compatible. So I found out I'm more primal,
and I think that translates into how I naturally portray
myself on camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that primal is the term?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that like an actual term like an actual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll finish culture obedism world. Yeah, that's definitely a
term for certain types of people and their sex styles, like,
for example, biting and scratching. Not many people are into that,
but the ones that are primal naturally are.
Speaker 1: Is there is there an inverse to primal like dominant
sub Yeah?
Speaker 2: So what's amazing is that you don't have to be
just one one main uh, one main style, sure, or
one main sex identity. M Like you could be like certain,
do you do smoke herbs and weed?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So you know how there's indica, tativas and hybrid, right,
you can find out what kind of hybrids you are
in the co dominant hybrid tativa dominant hybrid. So yeah, uh,
with being dominant and sub if if you naturally ken
me both dominant and submissive, which is me, I'm a switch.
So that's okay. So at first, at first I saw
myself as a switch being, being able to portray myself
genuinely as dominant or sub depending on who I'm with
and what kind of relationship dynamic I have with that person.
And then I also found out that I'm primal, So
ultimately I consider myself as a primal switch in the
BDS some world and that is that where you're getting
out with your question kind of.
Speaker 1: But I liked your answer anyway because it gave me
more information. But actually not at all. But I did
like your answer. It did give me information, it wasn't
at all what I was asking, is there is there
an inverse to primal? Is there like a pamper, like
someone who doesn't like anything at.
Speaker 2: You know, there's an opposite or yani yang, right? I see,
So the yani yang of dominance is submissive, So the
yanni yang of primal would be of course a prey,
someone that likes being chased, someone that likes being caught,
someone that likes being dominated, and almost like an almost
like a far away like how there are people that
dress as dogs or puppies in that realm or who
naturally have an affinity or identity or persona as as
a cat or a dog or a puppy. Yeah, so
that's where certain yeah, those certain personality types come into play.
Speaker 1: So you can be so how does a okay, last
question on this?
Speaker 2: So that's the ironic part, And you know what, that's
a really good question because I haven't thought of that
angle before. So I'm only in a switch in the
dominant substance, but I don't switch in a primal sense
like naturally. If I find someone that's also primal or
another dominant male, uh I would see them as equal,
you know, or for our relationship dynamic to work, you know.
But if if they're too dominant, or if they're too
prideful to eat, egotistical and usually toxic, it gets to
that point, then we're not going to get along.
Speaker 1: Sure, So wait, you can't you yourself can't. I'm not
to pray if that's no, no, no, no, no no.
I was going to ask, can you be a primal
sub and then does the dom have to be primal
as well?
Speaker 2: Or no? No? Okay, So no, A really good question there.
Depending on who it is, I can be primal, So
up if I see that person as an equal, you know,
and like none of it is forced, none of it
is pressured, and uh it usually it would feel natural,
you know. And I only say primal in a way
where the Okay. So I definitely have been with dozens
of guys in and out of the industry, and surprisingly enough, uh,
I usually come across a couple of other primals like me,
like every dozen dudes. So me, it's rare, and it's
like a treat, like you know, we're into like certainly
real certain like kinky things. But I only emphasize primal
because those are the those are the those usually are
that the personality types that really like match like could
be really on par with me, sure like such rally
and personality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I notice some of the primal stuff in
some of your content, and and I'll be honest with you,
I had a totally different perspective of your personality before
I started like doving in listening to other interviews and
here talking to you. Now you slight on me. Oh yeah,
I'm a professional. Oh yeah, oh please. My wife teared
up when I was nominated for an av N last year.
You know, I have to I have to put some
level of effort. Yeah, I mean, come on, I'm going
I'm going up against plug talk. It's you know, that's fine,
It's fine. I'll always be second place. So here's here's
where I noticed that there's a scene you shot, and
I'd like to ask you about that scene you shot
for gloryholeswallows dot Com, which I believe is if I've
emailed him before, Dave gentlemen named Dave perhaps sometimes Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if that's the Vegas one, Arizona one.
Speaker 1: I think I see Arizona one. Okay, Okay, So for
people who can't understand the concept of that name, Glory
whole Swallows, it's exactly what it sounds like. But there's
one part where this gentleman can't finish and he comes
into the room and you are looking at him like, dude,
if we were praying Manti right now, and don't think
that's the plural, I would take your fucking head off.
You were like looking up at this dude like if
I was him, and you're like blowing him at one
point and you're looking up at him. I'm like, yo,
i'd be scared of her teeth right now, man, don't
fuck around. And then he has the audacity he's like, well,
I mean, could I fuck you? And you're just like, yeah, whatever,
just get this shit done with.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I give her that flashback. I totally
forgot that happened.
Speaker 1: So you do remember that though, Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Back to me, now, was that just it? I didn't
realize you kept off.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Let me let me say, let me say this. No, no, no,
it was it was the scene and I'd seen other
stuff you had done before, but it was the scene
I seen where I was like, when you use the
word primal, I go, oh, that is the definition, because
it almost looked again. It's all open for interpretation. I'm
going to ask you about that scene. But if you
were in a positive light, you could go like, oh
my god, she just wants to finish this guy to
get to the next one. It's so sexy. Blah blah blah. Really,
what I'm going to ask you is, was it like
later in the day and you were just like, motherfucker,
I need to wrap this, let's go.
Speaker 2: I mean I I was definitely insatiable, you know, like
I we wanted to move on to the to the
next person that that side, that side of me only
came out because he he took a lot more work
than the other guys, Like, uh, I don't know he
if he already jacked off that day, and I saved
his pop shot because because uh, usually most guys they're amateurs.
Usually most guys are professional. No went to save their
pop shots. No went to edge you know, So I
don't know if he was eating junk food not getting
enough rest or or if he really needs a more
like in person uh physical element to really get him closer.
But you know, it's benefit of the doubt. I'm being understanding.
But yes, I do have a side to me that
does get impatient, and I have a side to me.
And the paring mantis is such a perfect analogy because
at least once a month I do have have you
seen the movie Species? Yeah, at least once a month,
which is usually when I'm on my period, I get
extra horny, extra intense, uh, extra piste off at the
same time, so I legit I feel like I'm in heat.
And there are times like biologically speaking, I just wanna
and I and that ties into my my genuine cream
pie breeding fetish.
Speaker 1: We'll have to touch on that obviously.
Speaker 2: So it is a real thing for me and me
being an authentic primal, like I generally do just wanna
like fuck biologically for like the mating, fucking breeding purposes,
and I do have it in me where like I
have fantasized about killing Jesus Christ right after like like
the analogy and epiphany, I'm like Okay, that makes sense.
And I don't know why that's the thing. It's like
how you guys just spuck so also you know, for
reading purposes, you know, not trying to put a lifelong partner.
But it is that thing biology speaking and an animal
kingdom like oh that clicks, that checks out?
Speaker 1: What Okay, I got it? What is And I've heard
it before obviously it's not like some giant revelation.
Speaker 2: But to hearers too, like female spiders do the same
thing too. Yeah, they kill right after they mate usually. Yeah,
they just only want uh, the offspring, you know, when
they're fertile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hear that, guys, Yeah, guys. Yeah, And you know
what that She's not uncommon. Most women probably feel the
same way once a month. Okay, I'm going to take
your fucking head off right now, sir.
Speaker 2: That's a group.
Speaker 1: And you know what, most of those guys are probably
listening to my show. If I'm being honest, I love you.
You're all great. U.
Speaker 2: I mean that ties into sorry sidebar, like if there
was ever in a zombie apocalypse, like one of the
things one of the main motives for me to have
a different type of bird control where I don't have
to take a pill every day is for the zombie
pocalypse analogy, Like I it would be such a hassle
to just go on my runs and find condoms, you know,
I should just have the implantation and not worry about
finding condoms during the zombie pocalypse. And I'm the type
of person that, please be honest and let me know
if you got bitten, suck a time when we could
get our last fucking before you turn. I'm that type
of person that thinks of shit like that.
Speaker 1: By the way, By the way, did we just write
a script?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: I never thought of hear me out. I never thought
of this. When the apocalypse happens, right, there's gonna be
like four forms of currency, okay, five, righty here, let
me give them to you, cigarettes, toilet paper, alcohol, bullets, pussy.
There you go, those are your five types, right?
Speaker 2: What if?
Speaker 1: How about how about this script? Ready? A what are
they called in Vegas? Not a cat house? That's like
makes me sound like an eighty year old man. What
are they called house? Yeah, brothel? Brothel that was the word. Okay, brothel,
it's a brothel. And then there's word from the outside
that a zombie attack's broken out, So this group of
rogue women go out and try and find the community
that they can fuck their way into. Now it's not
a porn though, it's just a strange script. And then
but here's the thing. That's only half of the movie.
The other half is them now rising to power by
using themselves and their personalities and their bodies and blah
blah blah to get up. There's your script, Go write it,
artist for it.
Speaker 2: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's find someone that'll write it, because I never will.
But that's a good idea, Okay.
Speaker 2: Sucker Punch and Mad Max, Yeah that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you that soccer Punch. I got too
drunk and fell asleep. Uh my wife likes it, so
I'm sure it's a good movie. But yeah, she's pretty cool. Okay.
So let me ask you again. These people are gonna
be like, hey, Matt, talk about something.
Speaker 2: What is what?
Speaker 1: Stop giving a script ideas, asshole in front and have
a conversation here. Uh, let me ask you. Have you
not yet accomplished something on your fuck it bucket list? Sexually? Like,
in terms of the industry, is there a type of
scene you've yet to shoot that you really want to,
or maybe it's a person that you really want to
work with you've just not been able to any of
those things. Tell me something that you haven't gotten to yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well off top I thought of. I just brainstorm
like around five give or take things. For sure, I
have yet to get my uh A tentacle scene in.
I legit have a tentacle fetish okay, and and I
generally have again with me being a primal, I generally
have a vampire and wearable fetish as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, well, I mean we're gonna come back to that. Obviously,
we're gonna we gotta take another break, but continue continue
with this short industry protocols.
Speaker 2: Apparently down the grapevine, I heard that's still categorized as
BC reality, so that won't pan out on certain platforms
and certain certain spaces.
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's it's I fight with X videos
getting videos uploaded just all the time, all the time.
So yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: That means I would have to rig up three fuck
machines by myself and just attach tentacle dildos on them
and just maybe worry.
Speaker 1: It's you know what the you could do it and
someone will buy it. I mean, you're gorgeous and it's
a great idea and yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
You can find a way to sell it dropbox or
something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, so that's what Wait
wait technical scene?
Speaker 2: Yeah where will fetters scene?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: But okay, So aside from that, sexuality wise, I'm also
attracted to all genders. I'm omnisexual, and that's similar to
being pan sexual. What they both have in common is
being attracted to all genders. But the difference is that
when you're pan sexual, you focus on that person's main
identity and persona and how they want to portray themselves
as and present themselves as, whereas me being omnisexual, I
considered that as well take that into account, but I
also acknowledged their biological sex that they were originally born
with instead of just focusing on their personality.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, all right, So.
Speaker 2: Off cam, I've had sex with transgenders, but I had
to have an official one on cam, so that's on
my slash Spuckulist. And then last thing off the top
of my head is, uh, before I got into the industry,
one of my favorite porn companies that used to watch
was Burning Angels.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: So it's still on my buglass slash fuckless to have
some kind of aintal through use with Joanna Angel and
small Hands. And it's crazy because I've crossed paths with
them a couple of times when I finally started going
to the A v N and those expos and conventions,
and I still get shy around them. But yeah, I
think the next time I cross passed with them, I'm
just gonna suck it. Get it.
Speaker 1: To two exonicas ago, I woke up to Johanna Angel,
who I had no idea, was so tiny, no idea,
and I just I go like this. I had like
a card like with my podcast stuff on it. How
you doing mat? And she just looked at me like
get this fucking monster away from me, please. I don't
blame her. I just came out of nowhere. It was terrified,
trying to get physical. It were in her bubble or no, no, no, no, no,
I'm not a fucking creep. No, I wasn't in your bubble?
Speaker 2: Was that extra energy?
Speaker 1: I'm just I flop around like the Looney Tunes guy,
what's his name? Gossamer, the Big red thing or I'm
like Tasmanian devil. I don't know. I'm a mess. And
she was terrified just because I was no, no, no.
She gave me the uh no no, no, no, no,
not at all, not a bitch face. She gave me
a somebody gets security, this guy's gonna try and hurt
me face.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I did not come within her bubble. I was not
more than an arm's length when I tried to handle
my card and I didn't just jam it. I was like,
you know, hey, hi, was there a line? There was
no The line had just maybe the line had just
started to form. There were maybe two people, and I
didn't want to be in line. I didn't want any time.
I just wanted to give a business card, say hi,
my name is mad I work with these people. I
just wanted you to you know, I would love to
have you on for an interview sometime. Blah blah.
Speaker 2: While she curved you real quick.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't again, it wasn't her fault. Wasn't
her fault at all. I'm a big dumb monster. And
I came tumbling at her. And she was in New Jersey,
which is already terrifying.
Speaker 2: In the Jersey. That's a reputation.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, the reputation of being the best the
Garden State having pork role. I understand, we got it.
Thanks theahs. Yeah yeah yeah, I mean yeah, Like.
Speaker 2: You said, I don't blame her like me being a model.
It's definitely hit or miss with me too. Like I,
I honestly can't always look friendly all the time. I'll
be honest about that. And I already naturally had my
guard up because I didn't grow up sheltered or privileged,
so I natually don't trust people anyways. So that's something
that I even I have to balance is keeping myself
in check with balancing thing friendly generally trying to be
generally friendly to fans, you know, and showing love, but
also being wary of like other people's intentions, you know,
like because there you know, there are always predators around
and people trying to take advantage of other people.
Speaker 5: When the world tells you to go away, stop leave,
go don't instead just come.
Speaker 2: Come.
Speaker 5: The New Fragrance by the podcast that made You Squirt
available now at your Worst Friend dot com. Come here,
come there, come anywhere, just come.
Speaker 1: So, as a fan, what is the best way for
me to approach, you know, a performer in public. They're
they're obviously there's gonna be some people you should have
never approached at all, and you should never approach aggressively.
I don't mean by that, I mean almost like like
if I were in a situation like this where I
would say, you know.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, are you chanting crossfire? I love your content?
You know, would you mind if I had an autograph
or a picture or something like that like that that
is I'm not even like playing that up. I'm just
not that guy where I go up aggressively. If I
come up aggressively, it's because I'm a big dumb animal.
It's not because I'm trying to be aggressive. So, dude,
So what is the best way for a fan to
if they were to approach you outside of a convention?
And then maybe a convention is not not different in
that they're allowed to grab you or anything, but it's
a little more understanding because you're at the thing kind
of you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it really depends. Honestly, I try to give
people the benefit of the doubt. You know, people get excited.
People have different personalities. Maybe they're the spectrum, maybe they
have a d d uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: And I can't speak for other models, but at least
for myself, like uh, approaching me like with my personality type,
definitely like don't come at me too fast, definitely not
within my bubble and my space. A good safe, a
good safe, respectful distance boundaries, you know. And if if
we're already in like a convention exposed setting and an
adult setting, then yeah, go for it, you know, ask
me if I'm chanting crossfire, ask me to take a picture,
you know, be respectful of course. But if you're in
like a vanilla setting, you know, in public, then yeah,
you know, I guess some implied etiquette of you know,
like you know, with whispering or uh, just like some
acknowledgment you know.
Speaker 1: But don't bother people when they're eating. Well, if you
if you desperately want like annogree for a picture or something,
you may have to just wait and then don't be
a creep about it. Don't stand behind them.
Speaker 2: Another yeah etiquet across the board too.
Speaker 1: When they're eating or with badly.
Speaker 2: Really it's hard to balance, you know, I understand being opportunistic,
like this might be the only change you see this
person which I totally understand. It's it's such a thing
to balance, you know, but everyone want's mood fluctuates and changes,
you know, Like sometimes i could be friendly and I'm open,
you know, uh to embracing fans, and then sometimes I'm
just like fuck off, you know. But across the board
in regards to people's safety, yeah, just just being more
careful and you know, since I have of consent and
permission to ask if it's okay, sick picture or even
like just some people are okay with just a simple
like acknowledgment and high you know.
Speaker 1: But you know what, that's what makes the conventions so great.
They're an outlet for those things. You can go and
get your autographs, you can get your pictures. Last year
we went and I watched. I made my wife watch
actually because it was hilarious. My wife is not she's
not a prude, but she's much more vanilla than me
because I'm a pig. And we watched, and I was
going to talk to Alex Cole because we had been
emailing back and forth, and then we both kind of
just fell off and I wanted to introduce myself again.
So I come running at her and no, I'm just kidding.
I respectfully waited in line. But the gentleman in front
of us was a true gentleman, and he paid Alex
the whatever amount and then he laid on the floor
and for five minutes she rubbed her feet in his
mouth with her socks on. And I was like, this
is fun. This is a fun industry.
Speaker 2: But we hold on. Yeah, and I'm curious about thee
was she needing?
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. I didn't see it. She it
was behind the podium. I made my wife go around
and look. Okay, but I didn't look because I mean,
I've seen I mean, I'm so desensitized everything. It would
have been fine if that guy was drinking dumpster juice
with her feet in his face. I would have been like, Yeah,
that's normal, that's normal with the shit I've seen so so,
but those conventions are for that type of thing. Go
get your picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's almost like sex positivity and body positivity for sure.
Speaker 1: But I will say there's an etiquette at these things
as well. It's not just a free for all. I
felt so bad. Last last year we met up with
someone I had interviewed a few times. She's the only
fans performer blew up. I love her. She is just
a sweetheart. Cat karma or gasmic people check her out
if you haven't seen her before. But her and her
husband produced a lot of gang bang content, good stuff. Anyway,
I met them for the first time, and I saw
a lot of guys like, because she's not some big
name with security or anything, they were super disrespectful. At
the end of the night, I was like, I wanted
to say goodbye. It was a pleasure meeting you this
and that. You know, I really loved you.
Speaker 2: Guys.
Speaker 1: If you're here next year, maybe we could do dinner
or something like that. And then the next guy behind
me after I said bye kind of just walks up
and like slaps her ass and he's like, let's take picture.
Speaker 2: Again. This is.
Speaker 1: Her first year at one of these things. She kind
I saw the look on her face and I was
just kind of and she didn't say anything. And maybe
I'm drawling something out of nothing. I'm just telling you
what I saw, But I saw like this look on
her face, like, ugh, comebag. So when you go to
these things, make sure there's an etiquette there. Just because
they're dressed sexy and fun consigned and ship there is
an etiicqutt be a human being. If you're listening to this,
you're a human being.
Speaker 2: Again, that's such a tricky thing too, because we have
yet to really implement that, like as a mainstream protocol.
It shouldn't be implied, you know, like I have got
to see some kind of statement on the site. You know,
I don't know they put the screamers for people who
purchase these passes yet and put these girls and etiquettes
on there because I know, I know the sex parties
they have on their biodescription, like you know, how to
come dressed and your hygiene and being respectful and then
no one's obligated to do anything knows knows and no
you know. Sure, but yeah, it's such a tricky thing,
especially at that convention and being in this industry. A
lot of people stereotype and get it twisted and assume that.
I mean people people don't understand that not everyone is
the same, you know, everyone is different, not everyone. Some
people do get off being objectified, Some people don't sure.
Some people like the extra attention. Some people don't. You know,
some of us are extroverts, some of us are introverts,
you know, so.
Speaker 1: That Yeah, someone told me that recently, and that really
really surprised me, because dumb, stupid brain me that took
one psychology class in high school was like, well, these
girls are fucking on camera. They must at least be extroverts.
They must really be a bit. And so many people
I've talked to recently, big giant name born stars, have
done giant gang bangs and this and that and come everywhere.
Oh my god, that come everywhere, and they're just like, yeah,
I'm an introvert. I like to just kind of me too.
Speaker 2: I'm actually an introvert as well, which is why I
always need extra time to recharge in between my travels,
and I don't go out unless it's the gym or
for work or my community volunteer activism and me being
primal and me also doing femdom on the side too,
I definitely like if I'm away from the gym too long,
I have less patience and tolerance around people. And I
know that about myself enough to like keep myself inside.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, you know what, there's something there's something so
so mature or intelligent about that though, where like you
you said you were you weren't quite fifty one fifty,
but maybe fifty one forty eight and uh and and
and you pulled yourself out of that. You just pulled
You just recognized one day, Hey this is shit. Let
me get out of this. You just you know, recognize
that other that's very mature. And I think that's probably
why you are successful in this and you will continue
to be successful because I think you understand that, yes,
this can be fun, Yes this can be or, but
it's it's a job too, you know, Exactly.
Speaker 2: My first a VAN interview, she told me that it's
good to note that there are more levelheaded people in
this industry. And that's what I also bring to the table,
you know, Like I I'm very aware of how disillusioned
I am of this industry, but also still optimistic and
idealistic enough how it's still making progressive changes, you know,
and being more inclusive and diverse, and we're having we're
starting to have better safety protocols and better mentoring, you know,
for new people coming in out of this industry. And
like I said, I'm glad I got into this industry
with the life experience I already had because I first
moved out at eighteen. If I had gone into the
industry at eighteen with my old self sabotactry habits before
I started, before I went soul searching, before I started
forgetting myself into people, I wouldn't have survived and made
it out alive. I honestly believe that, you know, I'm
an I'm glad I'm not one of those statistics, which
is ironic, but that's why I see myself as a
game changer in this industry. You know, like I said,
not all of us are superficial and not all of
us are shallow. You could bring wholesomeness into this industry
and positivity, you know, and sex is healing when done right,
you know, when it's consensual, we take our power back.
That's what I've been trying to educate people on all
these podcasts and interviews that I've been doing, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me let me ask you this last
question here, what is the end game? Are you making
porn at seventy five years old, which is totally it's
you know, you're right, it is. But at the same time,
there's a market for everyone. So if yeh hay, who
doesn't want that type of porn? Me I'm good. I'll
watch the younger stuff of you, the stuff in your
fifties or something. But more power to the women make it,
and more power to the guys and buy it. I
don't give a shit. That's your business man. Whatever you're
gonna do, is that the end game to work in
this industry forever is the end game to get big
enough financially you're out, good to go or what is it?
Tell me?
Speaker 2: Well, let's see. Definitely there's a fetish and kink and
market for everything. I know that now because of this industry.
I'm just I'm so grateful to have been able to
take care of my mental health these last three years
and find my authenticity where I've started to own up
and accept the fact that I will have fans that
will appreciate and respect all these sides to me and
all these aspects to me. You know, I used to
keep I used to keep those two separate, you know,
but now it's it's integrating in a good like harmonic way.
And yeah, my endgame and big picture really is, Yeah,
the more exposure I have, the more platforms I have,
the more I'm able to talk about what really matters
to me, which is actually mental health and certain social
justice issues. You know, like the more we're able to
have these deep conversations and I live for deep conversations
and these hard conversations, I think that's really where the
healing finally starts to happen in our communities. When it
starts with ourselves, you know, we'll be able to find
things that we could relate to. We could share our
pain together and our grief together. And that's what I hope,
you know, calling myself a pandemic porn star that I
hope to bring to the table, like we need healing
more than ever, especially in our communities where things are
so like stigmatized, you know, and there's not that type
of acceptance, and we need more levelheaded people because able
to balance the pros and cons, the hard truth, the realities,
but the beautiful struggle in it too, you know, yeah,
the human aspect to it.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean I wrote that script before.
Let me write out the rest of your life. Here's
where it is ready.
Speaker 2: I'll admit I didn't think I would. Okay, this is
holy shit. I think this might be at least, uh,
my third or fourth year in this industry, and I
didn't think I was going to be in it this long,
but but honestly, because of the pandemic and quarantine, it
has changed, like certain schedules, you know, certain stepbacks that
would have been different if if if I was in
it before. But I think, uh, that's that's a whole
other conversation too, in the pros and cons of having
all these new platforms now, which is good for people
who don't want to go out, probably better for introverts
don't want to have to fold people. But but that's
nothing with mental health as well. Like I I feel
like because I'm an introvert naturally, I don't other people's
opinions don't bother me as much. But I think that
it's really the extroverts in this industry that I think
we're having a hard time integrating into conventional life if
family and friends find out what they do because they
naturally thrive off of other people's energy, you know, And
that's uh, that's something I hope. Uh you know again,
mental health, Uh, what our passions that should help get
us through.
Speaker 1: Let me let me paint it for you. Here's here's
what it is really And you know, I try and
be funny, but here's what it is. Grow bigger, win
some avns, get some trophies, get some Performer of the
year stuff, and be the first one that actually succeeds
at starting a union in this industry. Oh that's look. Look, look,
you can implement any kind of mental health stuff you want,
social justice stuff you want. That can be you. Just
like where you went from sitting on or laying on
your mom's couch or whatever it was, or the trauma
you had had. You went from that stuff to walk
in a red carpet at the av EN. You can
go from where you are right now to that president
of the union. You're smart enough to do it. You
are driven enough, it seems like.
Speaker 2: To do it, So do it. At this point, I
definitely have faith in Goddess and the multiverse surprise me
with things. That's for sure. That's probably on the drawing
board and vision board, and that's probably in the long
game version of it. But in the in my short
term goals, I'm just gonna keep having these these amazing,
beautiful mental health conversations along the way. Yeah, okay, all right,
finally good fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, my guests, Tonight, the Lovely Channing Crossfire.
You can find links to you find links to it.
He now, am I what what's wrong? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: The floor? You're plugging.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, You're good, You're good. This is
this is another fun one. I had a fun one
with another performer recently where it just like went on
and I was like, I don't even know if we
talked the out sex at all. And I was like,
that's fine, good enough, I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: You can find the links to everything Channy does in
the episode description below, but I really want to recommend
you check out her only fans at Channey Crossfire. Channing,
thank you so much for coming on and having this
wonderful discussion with me. I think we accomplished a lot.
I think you are amazing in your content. I feel
somewhat bad for that dude you screamed at while you
were blowing him letting. You didn't know, you didn't at him,
you glared at him with smoky eyeshadow. I believe that
fucking was enough to make me go like, oh this
girl is terrifying.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, hold on, I want to plug in
two things?
Speaker 1: Yes, please please.
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also on my link tree as well, with a list
of both my safer work and non safer work activities.
There you go. And last, support my friends' company called
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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, all of that below. There you go,
link tree correct.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me