Speaker 1: And we are back, so let's talk about this Bond,
James Bond. Oh boy, so today it wasn't now So again,
it's funny. This must been a newscast that you and
because I listened to some of it, you and don't
talk about Clayface thing and then the Bond thing. So
it's kind of funny that they're both coming back up.
So weeks ago or a couple months ago whenever, there
was this article that came out and it was all
sourced and everything like that, where okay, Bond is owned
by the Broccolis. I can't remember his full na name.
It's like Albert Broccoli something like that, but anyways, i'll
call him Broccoli Senior. He got the rights and I
looked at this like over sixty years ago for the
Bond movies. Obviously they are a bunch of books, but hey,
he's been attached to it ever since. And then his
daughter and son took you know, uh, got the role
and not the roles, got the ownership of it when
he passed DA so they own it, but they've always
been in partnership with MGM, and that's what Amazon bought
a couple of years ago. So it was a sticky
situation where Amazon owned MGM, but they didn't own Bond
per se, like it was kind of like a shared thing, right,
and the Broccolis still had kind of final say, well,
it came out today and the big thing was to that.
Apparently the splitting point at least a couple of weeks ago,
and who knows, this is probably months ago. All the
stuff works a lot slower than it actually reported. They
the Amazon crew want of course, to a Bond movie,
but they wanted to mcu it. They wanted to do spinoffs,
they wanted to do TV shows on top of the movies.
Speaker 2: They want a whole Bond cinematic universe.
Speaker 1: And obviously this is a character that's never got any
spinoffs whatsoever. There's been talking about before, but it's never happened,
just been James Bond. So then today came to the
news that well, I guess they bent over because Amazon
has purchased or made They've called it a joint venture.
It's not purchase, it's a joint venture for the Brocco
leaves to give up full creative control. It was reported
that the deal was for a billion plus, so that
means both the siblings got five hundred million plus each
to give this r which that's what we knew it was.
To me, it wasn't like there is some stuff in
the article of like, oh they were tired of bickering
of Amazon. They didn't They just didn't feel a good
relationship all this stuff, which I'm sure could be true.
Right if these reports were all like valid or even
somewhat valid, you might get eventually if you're working with
somebody and you just hate it, eventually you might quit
or ask to be transferred. Right, But I'm sure the
five hundred million really helped smove that over. So now
they will get like an executive producer credit. Their names
will probably still be on it, but they have nothing
to do with it. It's just on Amazon's court. I
will say that I'm of a few minds of this one.
This is shitty news for me because I'm not saying
the Broccolis have done everything great. There's bad Bond movies, sure,
But for me, it's and this just shows like, I mean,
this is another conversation too. We can have a little
bit tonight, but in the future, it's just like the
way it's kind of like gaming the industry is going
where it's just gonna be three to four companies that
own everything, and that that's it.
Speaker 2: You know, the days of.
Speaker 1: All these different studios and creators and kind of some
unique takes are gonna go away other than on the
independent side, or if you're lucky to be like Nolan,
where you can make Oppenheimer make a billion and they'll
just go, we'll trust you with anything.
Speaker 2: Right, for me, it's not so much the creative control thing.
Speaker 1: It is the Bond just becoming what everything else has
become recently in our ten years, we've been doing this.
Right now, I'll use the best example for.
Speaker 2: Bond.
Speaker 1: It could work out. Maybe they put our show. It's great,
I am the problem. Right, they'll put our show. I
will watch it, but I'm a diehard fan. And also
we do content. I will use this example for us,
and then I'll throw it a tailor and then I
got some other things to throw it to him. But
for us, our biggest, two biggest years where Endgame happened,
massive review for us did very well, and that's when
people approached us that hey, you know you could get
paid for this.
Speaker 2: You're can maing money for this, oh, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Right, and that happens to pay for our time here,
that pays for eddings, up stream yard everything like everything
that's run how we make our movies. That started that,
and then COVID happened. We had a big plunge, and
then our biggest year was twenty twenty one and twenty
twenty two, and I think there's lots of there's a
few things one COVID was done, so it was just
lots of stuff was coming out.
Speaker 2: There was tons of actual.
Speaker 1: Big movies like The Batman and Doctor Strange and stuff
like that, things that had cameos or really anticipated. And
then this was in the height of One Division's coming
out and low key and follow when I sold everything
like that and we had record numbers right because for
us it was like, hey, we get an empty movie
every you know, three to four times a year. Where
the shows when they started, I'm not saying all of
them did the exact same as a movie, but they
all did very big well numbers because it was an
event and it was something big. But then now it's
very hit or miss. You never know with it as
far as what the numbers are gonna be. Like sometimes
like last year, XP ninety seven did very well for us.
I think in the top ten. I counted it last year,
like six out of ten episodes Rex B ninety seven.
Then they did well more like the past right where
then there's other stuff that come out and it just
does nothing. I didn't Eve looked at the SPIERMN numbers
to see. I think they do well enough for us
also that we kept continuing them. But it's I mean
in the grant scheme everything. So I'm using this as
an example of like you can see that initially you
might go, Okay, we're doing the Bond movie and that's
gonna kick off this spin off and this spinoff, and
there's gonna be that push eventually, but eventually, or there's
gonna be that push at the beginning, but eventually, unless
it's like the highest, the high quality and it's like
the best show on TV over and over again for
multiple shows, you will start to lose people and then
it's gonna start to get watered down, like to us
you this. Do you think the Disney Plus shows have
helped or hurt Star Wars overall?
Speaker 3: I mean they've probably helped because I think that there's
a lot of grief that came out after Solo, so
that was damaging.
Speaker 2: Well on Skywalker, I'd say as well and Last Jedi.
Speaker 3: But yeah, things were not hot on the big screen department.
So when you get to the Disney Plus, I think
the show's definitely not catering to everyone.
Speaker 4: There was something though for everyone.
Speaker 3: There's lots of people that hate all the other stuff
but love and ors, lots of people that you don't
like Skeleton Crew and maybe you don't like the other things.
They've definitely managed to make different varieties of Star Wars
content for everyone to enjoy, so I say it's definitely
a pick me up.
Speaker 1: So with Star Wars, though, why do we have stuff
like Acolyte that gets canceled or like Skeleton Crew that
doesn't even make it in the top tennis streaming shows
when it is out. That's my pitch of like is
it helping it from like a financial point of view,
because now we have these shows coming out that people
don't care about in a.
Speaker 3: Sense, right, I think you have the GA that carries
those shows for the most part, and then you have
the uh a lot, I mean a lot of actual
Star Wars fans that just think, oh, Disney's ruining everything. Yadda,
YadA YadA, and they don't touch any of this because
they're still upset about either Last Jedi or they're still
set about Rise of Skywalker. And then you get all
these different things in the shows that they do, and
they just get upset about it. And so I think
that the numbers there are very large, and I think
that they probably have a hand in that, because I
mean the people that do turn up the GA and whatnot, Like,
there's lots of Star Wars fans that are gonna turn up,
but there's also a lot of Stars fans that are
hurt because of the things that Disney has done in
the Star Wars universe. So I think things are just
kind of shifting right now, and this is just Hey,
Disney Plus shows were not the permanent solution.
Speaker 4: We need to get back onto the big screen later.
Speaker 1: See I'm the reverse. I think the GA is the
one that tunes down. Even the people that hate Star
Wars right now will go and hate watch it, like
all those hate channels everything. They still watch them and
do their clips or reaction videos or the reviews and stuff.
So then I'll ask you the same question, do you
think that Disney Plus shows helped Marble.
Speaker 3: I would definitely say at the start, yes, and then
it turned around now it's not helping Marvel.
Speaker 4: Now it's no.
Speaker 3: I think it's damaging, unless, of course, you got like
a Spider Man or front of neighbood spider Man shows
that helps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like even then that's not like I don't
know what the numbers on that that. I don't I
think that's just like a fun they have nizzyplots, I
don't think.
Speaker 2: And do you think anyone in the world's described for
your friendly neighborhood spider Man?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, Like that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Right, So for me, obviously you're not the biggest like
James Bond fan, but that's my point of view of like,
hey you have James Bond, which again I my last
point before I throw to you again is just I
have no idea the family dynamics everything like that. Maybe
they're just like, yeah, I am fucking done working on
the Bond movies. Maybe they're just sick of them, right,
I find like I said, I'm I'm just being completely out.
Speaker 2: Of turn here.
Speaker 1: Their father got this deal and has had these film
rights for over sixty five years that you know, moved
over to them. There are so few situations, like so
many having the Spiderman film rights, there's so few situations
now where you have something like that to let it go.
Like I know they're both uh oh, I think they're
both in their sixties, but still like they must have
kids or other family maybe they don't know, but like
to kind of let that lead the family. Like it's
weird for me that I know they don't directly make
five hundred million dollars, but like if a Bond movie
can make a billion dollars, I feel like in the
future it can again and again. It's not like the
Broccolis make the movie makes a billion, they make five
hund and they make five urn and done. There's all
these you know, you gotta pay the studios, the actors,
everything like that, right, But I just mean, like that's
a huge price take absolutely to cash out. And if
you want to cash out, go get your money. If
that's how you feel, that's fine. It just feels odd
to me. It's like that to me is such a
big thing to let go. Like for me, I before
would be like, hey, I'm gonna pay off.
Speaker 2: A producer to kind of take my role.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this, but I also want
to give the rights almost like, hey Taylor, I own
James Bond, but you know what, I'm sick and tired
of dealing with it. I don't want to go of it,
but I'm gonna give you a cut.
Speaker 2: Or pay you money so you can be me.
Speaker 1: But like you know, in my spot and everything like that,
the fact that they just let it go to me
was very shocking. Obnestly, half a billion dollars can't sneeze
at that's that.
Speaker 2: Is because that's the argument right too.
Speaker 1: They could look at me and say, well, I can
set up my kids and my grandkids and my great
grand kids everything like that, right, So it's like he's
a whole different thing. So one, what do you think
about the Amazon having the full rights? And two how
do you feel Bond like is do you think that
has potential to be a oh you could spin off
this character, you could do this, or do you think
that is a how it's been for the past, you know,
sixty coming on seventy years, where it's a one film
every few years, it's an event because you do lose
that event feel right away if there's a spinoff show
if Bond's appearing on Amazon on a Thursday at six pm,
Like if you could even make that case now, Like
with like Falcon, there's lots of other bad MCU stuff,
but the second he appeared on MCU Disney Plus, it's
like maybe people didn't look at him a draw. That's
why I'm so curious to see Mandalorian next year of like, hey,
what does the Disney Plus TV show do? Maybe people like,
oh I gotta see this order people go, eh, I
already saw three seasons at home. I don't need to
go pay twenty bucks.
Speaker 2: To do this. I'll just wait till it's on Disney Plus.
So what did you take from it?
Speaker 1: Kind of because I know you've seen some Bond movies,
but it's not like one of your big franchise. So
from the outside, what we think think about all this
news and could this work as the JCU?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. I think Amazon having the rights to
this is it's okay with me. I think that they've
got a lot of shows so far under their umbrella
that they know what they're doing with shows. So there's
that and then the idea of okay, maybe if we
get shows instead of a movie or vice versa. I
think that we could look at how they did the
Batman and then how they did the Penguin. I think
here is a great example of what seems to me
at least a pretty good perfect balance, where you have
a great movie and then you have a show that's
a very limited season limited run. And of course I
don't think they confirm a season two or anything yet,
did they.
Speaker 2: Penguin.
Speaker 1: They've talked about it, but nothing, it's not definitely not
officially confirmed.
Speaker 3: No, Okay, then you can leave it ambiguously open, but
just know you got to point A to point B.
Just you're gonna do everything in between for that for
your show, and then you're gonna continue to point see
through another movie. Just I can't have have it be
set up very anthology. It doesn't have to always be
evolving around the main story. And there's enough characters with
James Bond world that you can do different different stories, right,
So I think that that would be the safest way
to go about it, to really implement it, instead of like, hey, okay,
here's one movie and now we're gonna have six different
spin off TV shows. Watch it because you're gonna get
all these different things, like.
Speaker 4: I don't know, which is what Star Wars did.
Speaker 3: When you have solo Star Wars story and then you
get like three seasons of Mandos, Soca Acolyte and all
these other things, it's like, well, where's the next movie,
and it's like no, no, no, you're gonna get and or
season two now, and it's like just pumping out all
these shows, and of course it works. They're all anthology
stories spread over a thirty to sixty year timeline in
the Star Wars universe, sometimes a bit more. But I
just think that at its core, you need to have
that happy balance, at happy medium, because not everyone's gonna
watch the show. Not everyone watched Falcon Winter Soldier, and
that's why in the movie they had to backtrack a
little bit and undermine some of characters development that we
already saw overcome in that TV show. So you need
to have a balance and you need to really play
your cards.
Speaker 2: Right. Do you let James Bond appear in any of
these shows?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So how come the Batman wasn't in Penguin?
Speaker 3: Hmmm?
Speaker 2: It's just gonna use that example.
Speaker 1: So can I just feel like you risk you risk
bringing that character down right if you see him on
TV per se.
Speaker 3: Like I think if it's done in a limited way
like Luke Skywalker and Mendo season two, where it's just
like everyone's like so hyped, like you could have this
other agent or someone doing this whole mission at the
end of the season, then all of a sudden, you
got James Bond just shows up, like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Different though with that, we were never gonna any more
Luke Tho in movies, right, so you're kind of like, well,
we can't use the movie.
Speaker 2: Well, let's put them on TV show.
Speaker 4: You never know. I mean they've been at that. I
didn't think.
Speaker 3: I didn't think we're gonna get him in Book a
Bulba Fett and they like, no, no, they refined the
the Dea Aging CGI. So you I think you could
see them do Luke in a future movie.
Speaker 1: Hmmm okay, but at the time being no Luke at
a time no no. So that that's what's interesting. And yeah,
it's funny because like I want to happen naturally where
in No Time to Die the characters that Masharna Lynch
and anad Armis played.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'd take a spin off of that.
Speaker 1: But the reason I also was funny because it was like, Okay,
they kill off James Bond, there's nothing to do here,
run with them for a bit, and they didn't, and
that's fine, they didn't want to do that. But now
it's just I do think they need to be very particular,
and I will give it. There's two things I'm gonna
wait to see. One off, see the product. I will
give it a chance. I'm sure me and Kirkle will
be reviewing this, so I can't want to get Kirklan's
thoughts on this because he's another Bond guy. But the
other thing is I want to see who is the
person in charge from a producing and directing standpoint. If
I'm Amazon, I don't think this is gonna happen because
I think Amazon would be might be too bullish, and
I think he might be like, eh, I don't want
to put my that my toes in that water. But maybe,
just maybe you go to one of your people see
if you can catch my drift. To tay, you go
to one of your people producing a hit show for
you on Amazon and go, hey, you know, we really
like what you're doing. We'd also like if we could
you know, talk to your brother. Maybe you know what
I'm talking about here? Who am I talking about?
Speaker 4: You said, I do, But I didn't know you were
setting up with a question.
Speaker 2: I said, who am I talking?
Speaker 1: Oh, you're just saying you're You're in the conversation and
saying mmmm, oh, I thought you said, like you knew
who I sung up with the brothers?
Speaker 4: Are you talking about my brother?
Speaker 1: No, who produces Fallout? To who's the showrunner the mind
behind that?
Speaker 2: One of the minds at least a Fallout? Yeah, the
TV show on Amazon.
Speaker 4: I don't know the name.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan's brother.
Speaker 1: To me, that is the I've always said after Oppenheimer,
the fact that the brocolis everything, because Nolan always said, hey,
I'll do a Bond movie, but I want to do
because you know how it goes here where it's like
the first thing you know, they'll make a new one,
and that's kind of like the tone of what the
you know, the Bronze and ones are the crag and
everything like that.
Speaker 2: So Nolan was always like, I want to do that.
I want to set the stage and do it my way. Boom.
I think there's many rumors.
Speaker 1: He also wanted to go back in the sixties, I
would fucking love that. I think right now, if you're
saying we're gonna do a Bond movie not said in
present day, I think that might be better than a Bond,
said Prinsent. I think people would want just like that
nostalgia back and just kind of like something can then
it's like the gadgets can kind of be high tech,
but you don't have to worry about like what do
we do in twenty twenty five? That's not cooling more so,
I don't know if that's the thing. Maybe there's some
middle ground, but to me, after Appenheimer, it's like he
fucking made a movie about the hydrogen bomb, a three
hour pretty much document your bio pic, you know, you know,
just blending of the two, and that made nearly a
billion dollars. You go to him and just say, hey,
you do Bond, even if he wants to cast Aaron John,
say say you go do Bond. That to me is
what Amazon could do. I don't think Nolan would do
it because I think it depends because Nolan's gonna need
his like I need three months in the theater where Amazon,
like look at Red Notice I know it's a different situation,
but red No was kunt in November, and then a
couple of weeks later they threw it on Amazon because
they wanted it out for Christmas, right, Like, there's no
fucking way, but like Nolan's doing that. That's why he
left Warren Brothers because they tried to do the at Tenant, right,
So it's like, I think that's the play. So if
it's not Nolan, then you need a a big time
producer or director producing, like a Kevin Fire the way,
Like remember when Mandalorian started and it was hey, Jon
Favreau's producing a Mandalorian. So obviously he directed and wrote
a lot, but you need something like that, whether it
is a you know, a named producer or a named
director coming on, like, hey, this is like James going
to DCU.
Speaker 2: This is the guy gal the them that is steering the.
Speaker 1: James Bond ship now, And if that's a name, I'll
give a chance. I'm gonna give a chance because I
would prefer it to be good, right, and I will
check it out, we'll review it. But I think there's
way more risk here than anything. And who knows, maybe
this is the Broccolis being like they don't think Bond
is popular and like, maybe it's not gonna work. I've
even theorized in my opinion that I could see people
not even accepting Bond this goal around and it won't be
till the next one because everyone loved Craig. And that
happens sometimes with Bond, where you get Roger Moore and
then get Timothy Dalton only for two. He's quickly swapped out,
and then Bronson's back in. You had Sean Connery for
like I don't know six, You got George Lazanbie for one,
they got him out of there, and then I got
Roger Moore for a bunch. Like there's there's signs of
the Bond franchise of someone playing Bond in the audience
going Nope, this is not the guy for me. I
liked that last guy too much, and then they kind
of get shit on and then the next guy gets
to come in and be like, oh, I'm the new
Bond down and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, I like this guy better.
Speaker 1: So this is the other point I'll say, too, is
with the casting, because I you know, Maddie's another James
Bond fan. We've always talked about this because I know
you're Apparently they did talk to Johnson the Broccolis, I
don't think that's happening now, and obviously the Craven thing
I think did hurt him. But I think what's interesting
is usually Bond's never been a name. It's always been
someone that has some establishment, but they always want to
make it somebody like, hey, this is our guy. Now
with Amazon, I have no idea. I literally, obviously then
I think they're gonna be British. But like I know,
people have been meming that, oh, this is Henry Cavill's chance.
I wouldn't put it past them because he's doing that
warhammer thing like before. Always, i'd say, no, Bond is
not gonna be a very popular name. I kind of
hope they stick with that. I like having a newer,
somewhat actor, but with it being Amazon, all bets are
off the table. I think right now with the cast
and I think they'll do They'll do whatever, and I
feel like we're gonna start hearing.
Speaker 2: Stuff, so you oh my god, s bumps. Amazon hires
Dave Flng.
Speaker 1: I'd fucking, oh my god if that happened.
Speaker 2: This would be me at the Amazon office.
Speaker 3: Honey, So is Dave Filoni going down the stairs or are
you yelling at him?
Speaker 1: I'm killing that's the security. Well, yeah, Dave flow us
down the stairs. And that's me to the that's me
to Jeff Bezos. You know all all jokes, No one
sue me or you know all whatnot. But uh, rock
one of those digital Amazon Christmas advertising verticals or whatever.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely he he.
Speaker 1: Wanted up there because he makes us the biggest Amazon Christmas.
We'll talk about the rock later, but yeah, all that's around,
and I feel like we're gonna hear news soon. I
feel like they had to stall with trying to figure
out what the broccoli is now making this deal. But
I think soon you're gonna get producer director Starr. I
could see us getting that all before the year ends here,
which is will be exciting, but it's gonna be scary
at the same time.
Speaker 2: So my last point, dude, do you.
Speaker 1: Do you worry about Like obviously we have like a
couple of years ago, we had Disney and Fox merge,
and you know Disney has Star Wars and Marvel and Pixar.
Then you know Warn brothers doing their stuff for there,
they're merging with people. Now you have Amazon owning Bond completely,
Like creatively, do you worry, Like, how do you feel
about like in five to ten years where it is
just like the Big four and every it's kind of
like we talk about gaming, right, it's like all these
little studios get bought by PlayStation or Xbox like with Blizzard. Right,
it's okay, there's not a bunch of different teams, but
it's just like three big teams, and like does that make.
Speaker 2: You worried or do you know I give much thought
of it?
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, whatever, as long as it's just good content,
I'm there to you know, because we could get less
voices what I'm saying in the room for like it's
harder to maybe break in when there's you know, just
only a few pawns per se, where before you go, oh,
go to this studio, Go to the studio. But even Bond,
it's like like you had like an old school feel
to it, but now it's kind of you know, maybe
less so because it's Amazon and they want to hit
this X, Y and Z, or maybe it's even like creatively,
it's like, well, we don't want to do that because
we really want to appeal to everybody that's an Amazon
Prime member.
Speaker 2: So don't do this storyline, you know, mm hm, and.
Speaker 3: So sorry you're saying, what would be the case here?
Having different studios to rely.
Speaker 1: On you doesn't worry you at all, like us kind
of like with video games, kind of going to like
maybe just like the big studios, the big billion dollar
corporations controlling just like all the side you know, like Bond. Now,
before it was like, hey, a family owns this and
they've had it for sixty five years. Now it's like
Amazon that is like the biggest corporation in the world.
You know. Now they got Bond, and now you're gonna
see Bond on Amazon Prime stickers.
Speaker 2: You see it everywhere.
Speaker 1: I feel I think Patrick Truss says, the chances of
the Milk and this franchise are astronomical.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Less streaming services services would be nicest. Dalton, I can't
get on that bandwagon yet. I know everyone's been saying that.
I feel like the newest thing is to say, hey,
I wish we had a cable gain. I don't because
I I cycle my streaming services. I just like right now,
I parent plus for Dexter, got rid of it. I
had Crave for what are we reviewing? Crave were not
Creature Commandos was something else on Crave, but I had
it for something got rid of it. I'll get when
Last of Us was back. So for me, I'm fine
because I pay for the streaming services I want.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I'm kind of similar with that
when it comes to streaming services.
Speaker 4: I will not have all of them at once.
Speaker 3: I mean I just canceled Paramount because of Dexter, and
I just reactivated Apple because they got some shows in there.
I want to watch The Gorge. So yeah, you just
kind of like juggle back and forth. As for them
milking James Bond. Yet it's gonna happen, I think, But
I don't think it's going to be as bad as
other other companies would. I think if you have like
a Netflix for to have it, I think Netflix would
be going ham on milking it. But I mean look
at The Boys, for example. We got a few seasons
of that show. It's really really good, and then we
have a spinoff anthology show as well that compliments the
main show.
Speaker 2: Well, then you have like spin off coming remember.
Speaker 4: What was the other one?
Speaker 1: About it's a soldier boy and what is who's the Nazi.
Speaker 4: Character storm storm Front?
Speaker 2: Storm Front.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of like it's kind of what
we talk about the Boys review, right where the Boys
parody the MCU, but they are they're starting to turn
the mc where it's like, well there's a spin off.
Now here's a prequel spin off, you know, since that
thing of like, yeah, the Boys started that way, but
now they're they're becoming exactly you know, live long enough
to see yourself become the film and same thing.
Speaker 2: Does Bond start good?
Speaker 1: And then it's just like we're down a trend where
it's just like we have six Bond shows in the
next few years and it's like fuck man like and
then the Bond movie comes out. No one cares because
they've seen James Bond every Thursday night for the past
couple of years.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: We will see So, yeah, it's gonna be an interesting,
interesting time here.
Speaker 2: What we're talking about next