1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,359 Speaker 1: Look, macnis So marches right around the corner and the 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,879 Cougars are in the metal of it. It's time to 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,839 talk some college basketball on Cougar Sports with Ben Cribble. 4 00:00:11,439 --> 00:00:14,679 Speaker 2: Welcome back Bruger Sport one of three, nine ninety point 5 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:17,000 three ESPN the Fan. I've been for the broadcasting from 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,359 Mark vander Wealth Studios, Vanderwell dot Com. Get on that 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,320 frea Q and A no obligations to invest with our 8 00:00:22,519 --> 00:00:25,960 tax more Wealth Advisors certify financial planners. We love Blaye 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,480 Anderson and his crew at Banterwealth. Let them him support 10 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:31,839 you and your quest for financial stability and sustainability. It 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,759 is time for little college basketball talk. Yesterday, off the cuff, 12 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:39,000 we were talking bou Basketball most Talented Players and it 13 00:00:39,079 --> 00:00:41,679 got into a poll, right We're like, oh, let's create 14 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:43,520 a poll out of it. We only got four slots, 15 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:47,039 and I was like, you know, let's put Obviously, you 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,320 gotta go with with Danny Ainge, and you gotta go 17 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:54,399 with you know, in the modern era, the Jimmer Fernetts, 18 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:57,439 and you go with Sean Bradley who was the second 19 00:00:57,439 --> 00:00:59,759 overall pick in the NBA draft in went ninety three. 20 00:01:00,359 --> 00:01:01,439 Speaker 3: Uh, And we were were. 21 00:01:01,399 --> 00:01:03,679 Speaker 2: We were discussing like, oh, well, you know, should we 22 00:01:03,719 --> 00:01:08,480 put in Chosets or Jimmer in the most Talented All 23 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:12,000 Time BYU poll, and we only have four slots, so 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,040 I'm like, let's just put Jimmer in because the not 25 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:16,640 a lot of people have seen Chosets and it caused 26 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,200 a bit of a crapstorm with some day fans that 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,599 apparently have, uh, you know, a love and appreciation for Chosets, 28 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:26,000 which I do as well. One of the most unique 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,159 players to ever come through BYU and had probably the best, 30 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:34,719 uh one of the best, uh I would say careers. Professionally, 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,040 he just played overseas, so not as many people got 32 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,439 to watch him, but I wanted to delve into it 33 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:40,680 with a former BYU. 34 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:41,079 Speaker 4: Great. 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: This segment gonna be brought to you by Primo Golf 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,480 Apparel Premo Golf Apparel dot Com. Head on over to 37 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:50,439 Premo Golf Apparel dot com. Utilize the ESPN coupon code 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,519 get fifteen percent off the best golf. 39 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:55,959 Speaker 3: Apparel in the business. It's fantastic. 40 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: Trust me on that Joggers, Blade, Polos, quarter zip hats, 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,959 look your best field, the best golf, your best. They're 42 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:07,239 locally owned, internationally known now they've combined forces with Phil 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,159 Micholson and the High Flyers. Check it out today go 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,680 to Primo Golf Apparel dot com. Let's get out to 45 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,599 the hotline. Welcome in the Brazilian bomber, former BYU Great. 46 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:18,000 We got Jonathan Tabinardi. He talks to BYU basketball and 47 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:19,199 I JT how thatck are you? 48 00:02:20,439 --> 00:02:22,719 Speaker 4: I'm good man? Hey, Ron? Can you tell how his 49 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:23,400 voice is? 50 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: Not like Deli Obama one of my best friends ever? 51 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,280 And you know he'll like hey, and he is over 52 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,520 there just like Hey, we're gonna come in. You know, 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,199 just some dude that played at BYU. I guess we 54 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,120 went to school together. 55 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: And what are you telling you about? 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 2: I gave you it a former b YU Great BYU 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,800 basketball player, Jonathan Tabinari. 58 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: I gave it to your heart. I gave it to you, good. 59 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 4: Bet, Ben. I love you of all my heart. 60 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: But how in the world do you leave out one 61 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:58,280 of the guys that has his jersey retired on the 62 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,240 rafters at BYU more. 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: Look look so hard. Let's go baseline here. Okay, what 64 00:03:05,159 --> 00:03:08,520 is talent? What's the definition of talent as you see it? 65 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:12,080 What's your definition of talent that you. 66 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:17,719 Speaker 1: Are naturally gifted and able to accomplish something, and you 67 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,680 see it, that is just it's a natural ability. 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: Right, So natural inate ability. 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hope I'm explaining myself right, But like 70 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,759 you know, like for instance, you clearly have the ability 71 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:35,280 and you you clearly have talent to be able to 72 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,360 do this on air thing, right. I mean it's not 73 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:40,879 like you. I mean you work at it, you work 74 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:43,360 at your crap, but you just you started doing and 75 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,560 you did it. Our brother, because we're both very close 76 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:50,560 to him, Jen Georgeansen try to do this for a 77 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:53,280 living and he wasn't able to do it because it 78 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:57,840 didn't come to him naturally. And so like, like a 79 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:01,159 definition of talent is are you able to like do 80 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:05,240 something naturally and you're just so good at it that 81 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:08,719 even you know, when you actually start owning your crest, 82 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,199 you actually become something like really really good, right, And 83 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,160 so like are you just naturally able to do something? 84 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,040 And you know, like I don't want to take away 85 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,600 from like out of Jim or or Danny Ainge or 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:31,120 a j right, but like for instance, Sean Sean was 87 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:35,199 incredibly gifted to be seven foot what is he seven 88 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:40,040 four seven five? Right, I mean he was you know, 89 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:42,959 he was blessed to be seven to six, and so 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,079 now did he have natural talent syllabilities? Of course he did. 91 00:04:47,319 --> 00:04:49,160 He was able to run. You know, the dunk that 92 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,079 you posted off him in the highlight is really good. 93 00:04:52,519 --> 00:04:54,959 Speaker 4: But nonetheless, like you know. 94 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Chose had a natural talent with the basketball, you know 95 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:01,240 of understanding of high IQ and pass. I mean, when 96 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:06,800 you look at Crezo's entire legacy of basketball, right, because 97 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,160 then to your point, we're going to extend past the 98 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:12,720 b YU because if you do, then you know, he 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,279 truly becomes arguably the greatest BYU player of all time 100 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:18,040 because he's the only one in the Hall of Fame. 101 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,399 Speaker 4: And so there's a lot to m back here. 102 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: Right, there's no doubt. 103 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: Look I told you, and look I wanted to put 104 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:28,600 Chosch on there. 105 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: It was actually for me like. 106 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,319 Speaker 2: When you have a limitation afore, and like I said 107 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,240 in my follow up tweet, I probably should have just 108 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,240 kept it open ended. I should have just added the 109 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,120 five guys that I think are the most talented, right 110 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,639 and and included Chosich. The only reason why I didn't 111 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,439 I picked Jimmer was because of the modern era fan 112 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,879 on X and they're gonna probably click on Jimmer, which 113 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:52,199 I was. 114 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:52,879 Speaker 3: I was right. 115 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: They're picking Jimmer more than they're picking Ashan Bradley there 116 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,040 in more than they're even picking Danny Ainge. Right, So 117 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,519 it's either a Ja Bons or Jim or why because 118 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,480 of the demographic that's on Twitter? 119 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,319 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Like you can see it in the. 120 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: Even And here's the thing too about Denny, right, I mean, Denny, 121 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:12,639 if you really want to stop and think about it, 122 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,240 Denny Age was the high school American in football, in 123 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:20,600 baseball and basketball. I mean, are you talking about your talent? 124 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,759 You know what I'm saying, like in me, actually be Denny. 125 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: You know, bio mile, there's not a wrong answer in all. 126 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,439 Speaker 2: This is what I'm getting. Yeah, Like it's not meant 127 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,000 to be controversial. It's meant to kind of like it was. 128 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:34,759 It was off the cuff we were talking about it. 129 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,879 I was literally talking to Kevin Nixon and we we 130 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:40,560 started talking like talented players. And I was like, dude, like, 131 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:44,079 you know, it's interesting because Sean Bradley, I think is 132 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,879 one of the more I think he is one of 133 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,399 the more disrespected players in boa basketball teacher because he 134 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:51,160 was he was a true one and done. He was 135 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:54,240 he's our only one and done outside of Aja Bonsa. 136 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:56,240 And he went second overall in the NBA draft in 137 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,759 ninety three, and he would have gone first overall in 138 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:04,199 ninety one over Larry Johnson had he come out after 139 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,040 that nineteen ninety one season. 140 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:08,519 Speaker 3: Part of that has to do with Part of that 141 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,160 has to do a lot on his mission. 142 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,959 Speaker 2: He if he would have just decided after that first 143 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,639 year at BYU to go to the NBA, he would 144 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,839 have been the first overall NBA draft pick. When he 145 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,160 got back off his mission, which hurt him physically, was 146 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:28,519 not wise for him long term. He ended up going 147 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,279 second overall in the NBA draft, and I believe it 148 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,199 was I want to say Chris Weber went before him, okay, 149 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:38,240 which we all know Chris Weber an all time great 150 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:41,120 and one of the best coming out of Michigan and 151 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:42,680 had a long story career. 152 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:42,959 Speaker 3: In the NBA. 153 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: But like, he's our only one and done besides now 154 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,519 aj Debonza, and so I was like, man, it's kind 155 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:54,160 of like the the disrespect that Sean Bradley gets is 156 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:57,839 crazy to me because he's literally one of five guys 157 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:02,279 I know his his his his BYU basketball career. I 158 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,519 mean they went to a round of thirty two and 159 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,639 he was good, and he was like labeled as like 160 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:08,120 a freak. 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,279 Speaker 3: I mean you watch him run. 162 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: Obviously he can gallop, Obviously he can jump, and he 163 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,720 could actually handle for a seven. 164 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,759 Speaker 3: Foot six guy. I mean he does some freakishly. 165 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: And this is nineteen ninety one, this is almost forty 166 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:21,600 years ago. 167 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:24,879 Speaker 3: I mean it was he was kind of an anomaly. 168 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,759 Speaker 2: But he's one of only five players in the NBA 169 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,000 to have twenty plus points, twenty plus rebounds in ten 170 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,039 plus blocks in a playoff game in the NBA. And 171 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:38,799 and like when I talk talent, I think ceiling, I 172 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,120 think tangibles. I think like these innate natural things that 173 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,200 you know can be developed, but they're more natural, right, 174 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,679 And I'm like, man, Sean. 175 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:48,919 Speaker 3: Bradley kind of gets discredited. 176 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: So like when you chined to and said specifically that 177 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,320 Chosi should replace Sean, I don't know necessarily I agree 178 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,159 with that. What I would say is the debate here 179 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,840 is does Jimmer from a ten talent standpoint? And it 180 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:04,279 depends on how you determine what talent is? Is Jimmer 181 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:07,840 Fredett one of the four most talented players in BOE 182 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:11,000 basketball history. I think you for me, it was Jimmer 183 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,240 versus Chocich. I actually wanted to put Choseich just so 184 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,879 you know, I erased it have put Jimmer because I 185 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,320 knew b YU fans are gonna get kicked off at 186 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,360 me for not putting Jimmer. 187 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: That's what happened with my poll. 188 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,759 Speaker 2: Just so you know, honest to goodness, one D transparency, 189 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:27,399 that's what I did. 190 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:35,159 Speaker 1: Is it? 191 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: JT is still there? 192 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: I am still here? 193 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: Yes, sorry, I guess I drove through a through a 194 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:44,879 black spot. So I guess you know, to your point, man, 195 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,240 there are no wrong answers here, Yes, none, you know 196 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,240 what I mean. And so there are no wrong answers. 197 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,200 And it's one of those things that it's you know, again, 198 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,960 it probably should be a poll that you could, you 199 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,519 could put in more people, maybe leave it all and ended. 200 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,759 I think recent bias might be something really really true, right, 201 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:10,240 I mean, you know, people were asking about you know, like, hey, 202 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:12,320 you know, is this person better than that person? 203 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: Better than that person? 204 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,879 Speaker 1: And so to me, it's one of those things that 205 00:10:17,919 --> 00:10:21,320 there's no wrong there's no right or wrong answers here, right, 206 00:10:21,399 --> 00:10:26,000 I mean, it may be one answer may be statistically 207 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,039 more proven than the other, you know what I mean? 208 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,759 Speaker 3: And so yeah, so like I took productivity out of it. 209 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:38,919 Speaker 2: It wasn't about production because from a professional standpoint, you 210 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:41,639 can really make an argument that Chosich is the it 211 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:48,320 had the most professional success as a basketball player because 212 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,799 he was a two time EuroLeague MVP. He's a Hall 213 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,600 of Fame or six time feet but your European selection. 214 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,360 He was an All Star right like he was fit. 215 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,200 He was drafted in the NBA. Okay, he was fifth round, 216 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,919 eighty fifth overall. He's he was one of the true 217 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:10,200 seven footers that could handle and hit hit, hit perimeter shots, 218 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,559 mid range and get to the rim and finish right 219 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,399 like he And he died way too soon at forty 220 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,759 six years of age, right, just crazy, uh that we 221 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:22,080 lost him too soon. So like uh, like I said, 222 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,840 I go back to like the talent of the the 223 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,440 natural inate ability. You can't teach six to eleven, you 224 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,039 can't teach seven to six. You can't teach a guy 225 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,360 to be an All American in three sports. And Jimmer 226 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,440 was wasn't like you can make an argument Jim is 227 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,360 the best scorer like in that skill set best score, 228 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:42,480 I if I was to leave one person out in. 229 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: The top four, I probably, I probably. 230 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:47,879 Speaker 2: And this is controversial, and Jimmer's getting you know, Jim 231 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,759 or and his crew and and the jimmer Mania people 232 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:51,799 are gonna get mad at me. 233 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: Don't do it. 234 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,759 Speaker 2: I would actually put I would actually put Sean In 235 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,360 over Jimmer. 236 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,039 Speaker 4: Oh he did. 237 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,519 Speaker 2: I'd put chose over Jimmer as the most talented one 238 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:02,799 of the top five four most talented players. 239 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: And that's controversial. I don't want to say that, right, 240 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:05,879 I don't. 241 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,799 Speaker 2: It's there's not a wrong answer here, as we talked about, 242 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,759 but from a talent standpoint, like that's what I would 243 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:13,240 put it at. 244 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: Well, so I gotta say this, guys. 245 00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: You know, Jimmer was very very talented. He was extremely talented, 246 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:27,080 you know, and and and maybe it's because I'm so 247 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:31,320 close to the situation, but like Jimer wasn't as good 248 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,679 as he became. Like he worked at it, which to 249 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:37,320 me is the thing that he deserves the most credit to, 250 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:40,799 you know what I mean, Like he worked and worked 251 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,399 and worked and worked and worked and developed. Now you 252 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,679 can say the same thing about all of these people 253 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,240 with talent, right, But like you really developed and improved 254 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,240 and improved and worked. And so you know, like when 255 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:57,240 we hear about Danny Inge and you know, like then 256 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,480 going to the Celtics, I mean, and if you really 257 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,600 want to think of about of bend, like Denny is 258 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:04,960 arguably one of the like five, you know, top five 259 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:07,440 top ten white boys ever to play in the NBA. 260 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,159 Speaker 4: And so you know what I mean, like he is 261 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,759 that good, you know, between his championships and his. 262 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,159 Speaker 1: You know, his the things that he brought to the 263 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,159 table to you know, to the Celtics. 264 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: And so it's to your point, it's difficult. 265 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: To come up with one single, you know, single super 266 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:28,360 bullet of four people will say this to you, Ben, 267 00:13:28,919 --> 00:13:33,840 my personal my personal mount rushmore at by U, which 268 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:36,120 perhaps is something that you know can be a little 269 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,320 bit more explored. But my my mount rushmore for by 270 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,840 U basketball is Dress Marchosich first and foremost, because he 271 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,480 is the only former BUYU basketball player that is in 272 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:49,159 the Hall of Fame. 273 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 4: That's number one. 274 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: Number two, it's Denny Inge, right and uh and I 275 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,600 think that's self explanatory. Number three is Jimmer and number 276 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:09,759 four in my personal opinion, my personal opinion is Kyle Pollinsworth, 277 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,440 and I go with Bile Pollinsworth because he truly was well, 278 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,080 he truly is the all time record in NCAA triple doubles. 279 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: And you know, I think a lot. 280 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,039 Speaker 1: Of credit can be given to Tyler Haws for being 281 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,320 the all time leader in scoring at b YU, But 282 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,600 you know, like or in terms of in terms of 283 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,120 just overall. 284 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,679 Speaker 4: Success, I'll probably. 285 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: Say krasimir As one, Danny two, Jim or T three, 286 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:39,159 and Kyle four. 287 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,279 Speaker 4: That to me is by Malin Rushmore of b YU basketball. 288 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and I'm fine with that. 289 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,919 Speaker 2: Like, I think many people are confusing the argument as 290 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,399 like the best player versus the most talented player. That's 291 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,720 where I think this is all subjective, because it's all 292 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,320 about how you how you define talent and how I've 293 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,639 always been brought up with, like the term talent is 294 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,919 like these are like natural innate qualities that you have, 295 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,000 and it's all about the ceiling, you know, the grit 296 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,759 and tenacity and hard work and repetition. That's a part 297 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:15,679 of like a skill set that you develop. But it's 298 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:16,799 not necessarily these. 299 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: God given talents that you have. 300 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:21,799 Speaker 2: And so some people will say, well, you're just talking 301 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,559 about height here, Ben, I'm like, no, like, freaking Sean 302 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:30,159 Bradley was a freaking giraft that could gallop, dude, he 303 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,080 and he could elevate off one foot. 304 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:33,679 Speaker 3: He and I can go into it. 305 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: My guy aps text and me telling me I'm an 306 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,200 idiot on this take. 307 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, look like, I don't know how you can 308 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:41,960 argue with with it. 309 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,159 Speaker 2: And he's the second overall pick in the NBA draft. Like, 310 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,360 you don't go second overall unless you have tremendous talent 311 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,080 and upside. And they were willing to take a risk 312 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:56,919 on Sean Bradley's talent even though he was a little 313 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,240 bit trim and thin. It's felt, but that dude could 314 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,720 he could jump, he could shoot in an era that yeah, 315 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,120 like and prioritize big men over maybe point guards and 316 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,159 maybe skill position guys front court guys, but or sorry, 317 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,960 backcourt guys. But I just think that Bradley's kind of 318 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,279 underrated as it pertains to like talent conversations and like 319 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:25,039 I'll go back to that that ceiling comment and innate 320 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,799 talent and these measurables and tangibles. He's one of five 321 00:16:28,799 --> 00:16:32,799 players in NBA basketball history with twenty points twenty rebounds 322 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,480 and ten blocks a triple double in a playoff game. 323 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,440 That tells you about the ceiling that Sean Bradley had. 324 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:41,840 He had injuries in the NBA, he was not as 325 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:43,639 consistent as you would like him. 326 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:46,559 Speaker 3: To be, but his ceiling was was crazy. 327 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:48,759 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you want to talk about that, 328 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,639 then you know Sean had a better professional career than 329 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,039 Jim or did. And so if you're just looking from 330 00:16:55,039 --> 00:16:58,799 that perspective, you know John, you know Sean would would 331 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,200 be ranked higher than I just think that, you know, 332 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,960 when it's again right then when you start getting a 333 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,160 little bit more into the news and you know the 334 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:13,039 nuances and the details, are we talking about overall also 335 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,200 after by you career? Are we talking about just a BYU? 336 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,279 Speaker 2: But it's not even production. I don't even care about 337 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,319 like necessary production. It's about you know, the talent that 338 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:28,799 like I bet you if you you put Danny Ainge 339 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,480 on a live detector test and talked about what is 340 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:32,200 what was jibber for? 341 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:32,799 Speaker 3: That's talent? 342 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 4: Right? 343 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,559 Speaker 2: What was his talent like compared to his contemporaries. A 344 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:39,000 lot of people are gonna say he just didn't have 345 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:40,799 the talent to play in the NBA. He didn't have 346 00:17:40,839 --> 00:17:43,559 big enough hands, he wasn't fast enough, he didn't have 347 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:46,079 a handle. He was a great score, great shooter, he 348 00:17:46,079 --> 00:17:48,720 couldn't play defense. He had no lateral quickness and staying 349 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,599 in front of anything. 350 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: That's not That's another reason why he couldn't play in 351 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:52,640 the NBA. 352 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:54,759 Speaker 3: I know, but that's what some people would say. 353 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:57,279 Speaker 2: I wonder what Danny would say about that, right, And 354 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,880 that's what I'm getting at, because Danny didn't go after him, 355 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,839 drapped him, didn't, you know? You know, those that were 356 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:05,160 supposedly advocates for him, you know, I don't know if 357 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,359 they really advocated for him. 358 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: He never got a chance in the NBA. 359 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: And everyone chalks it up to, you know, the the 360 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,480 Sacramento Kings ownership firing their head coach west Fall and 361 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,599 allowing for the interim head coach to take over. 362 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, to me, you're spot on, and so 363 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:24,119 I think, you. 364 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: Know, it's one of those great conversations. 365 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,279 Speaker 4: I'm actually pulling out to the barbershop right now. 366 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:32,799 Speaker 1: If if my new barber was like my former barber, 367 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:35,440 my former barber new basketball he was. He was a 368 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,960 great guy. Fortunately he went to jail and so I 369 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,640 had to find a new barber and true, sorry too, 370 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,960 I will text you and run afterwards, and uh, you know, 371 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,839 but you know it's uh, it's one of those things 372 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:51,519 that it would be a fantastic chat to have at 373 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:55,119 a barber shop, but you know, it's uh. It sets 374 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,720 the table really well for tomorrow's spanking of of Ukah. 375 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,559 Speaker 2: Hey, real quick, I want to know. I have no 376 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,799 disrespect for Cho six. I wanted to put Cho six 377 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,759 in and I know it's disrespectful to not put Jimmer 378 00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:10,039 in there. 379 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:10,519 Speaker 3: I get it. 380 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:13,039 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be overly controversial with it. It's 381 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:15,480 my honest to goodness take and I will take the 382 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,759 shame that comes with it. I think Sean Bradley is 383 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,319 underrated as it pertains to the perspective that BWA your 384 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:24,240 fans have with Sean. 385 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 3: That's my opinion. 386 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 5: I'll give you the inside details because i'm the producer. 387 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,200 I get to listen in and I heard you battle 388 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,359 for fifteen minutes with this question before you put it out, 389 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,359 because you were going back and forth about names, like ah, 390 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,640 what should I do? And I'm like, do what you want, 391 00:19:38,759 --> 00:19:40,680 but I was like, you know, whichever way you go 392 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:42,680 someone's going to have an opinion, so you battle with 393 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:43,799 about this for fifteen minutes. 394 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,839 Speaker 3: Trust me, man, I was I heard you. 395 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 4: I was here. 396 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,279 Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm grateful I don't have to hit cin on. 397 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,519 Speaker 2: It sometimes, you know me my add eighty HD. I'm like, well, 398 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:53,279 that's a good question, you know. Oh, I'll put it 399 00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:54,599 out there, like, and you don't. 400 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: Really like this. 401 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 6: I should have given more insight. 402 00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 2: You don't really always think through all the controversy that's 403 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,119 going to stem from it, that your friend is gonna 404 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:01,680 attack you and. 405 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,319 Speaker 3: Say you don't know ball and you're idiot, you know. 406 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:06,839 Speaker 2: And I'm like, tell you, I'm just having to try 407 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:09,119 and to have fun with this, and you gotta attack 408 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,039 my basketball like you. AP's getting after me too, saying no, 409 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,119 you don't know ball, you don't know ball. 410 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,039 Speaker 3: I'm like, look, I think it's an interesting conversation. 411 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: I really do, I think, and obviously it strikes a 412 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:21,640 chord with a lot of people, So I think it's 413 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,200 a good combo. 414 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:22,519 Speaker 3: Brother. 415 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 2: But love and appreciate you. You're my guy. Get a good haircut. 416 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,880 Can't wait to see what this Boe basketball team can 417 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,039 do tomorrow night versus. 418 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: The Utes, Amen, amen, and uh yeah, he's gonna be 419 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,480 a great game. I look forward to seeing you guys there, 420 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,720 and I appreciate you guys having me on the show. 421 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:41,599 Speaker 3: Guys, I always appreciate JT. 422 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: Jonathan Tabinari, the Brazilian bomber, one of the best to 423 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,720 do it in a BYU uniform. Ap did Clairefay says, 424 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,519 I never said you don't know ball. It's okay, You're right. 425 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,160 I put some words in there. But he says, make 426 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,599 Sean six one. What's his talent? 427 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 6: Guys, we can't know that. This is where I get mad. 428 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:09,599 I give that Sean guy. 429 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: Sean Bradley is not I brought this up earlier today. 430 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:18,599 Is not Zach Edy. Sean Bradley was not Zach Edy, 431 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,000 you know what I mean, Like not a Yao Ming. 432 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:24,039 Those are those are kind of different players. Sean was 433 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,039 unique in his athleticism. He's way more athletic than Yao 434 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Ming and Zach Edy. Sean Bradley could run. 435 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 3: Bro he could gallop. Look at that top end speed. 436 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,279 Speaker 2: He's seven foot six and he runs like a freaking 437 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,440 gazelle like and he elevates off one leg. Yao Ming 438 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,799 and Zach Edy could not run like that, nor elevate 439 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:50,319 in transition and yack it down, yam it down like 440 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:51,319 that in transition. 441 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: I'm sorry they can't do that. He was unique. 442 00:21:54,319 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: He there was a reason why, like everyone thought he 443 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,799 was a unicorn and took a risk on him because 444 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,880 of the talent. They saw the upside, They saw the ceiling, 445 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,599 They saw the the the neural muscular uh output, They 446 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,680 saw his coordination. That dude had a mid range. Sean 447 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,880 Bradley had a nice mid range. He had a turnaround. 448 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,680 He wasn't Hakeem Olajahwan, but he could do that little 449 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:18,440 you know you little juke and jive uh fade away 450 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:20,519 to the to the you know what I mean, from 451 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:21,279 to the to. 452 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,839 Speaker 3: The baseline, that fade away shot. 453 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: He had a He had a really well rounded game 454 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:29,839 for a seven foot six, two and ten pound center 455 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,640 like he really was. Now, did he get banged around 456 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,039 a little bit? Did he have a dislocation in his 457 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,920 kneecap his rookie year? Did he have some back issues? 458 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,039 Did with Dallas one hundred percent? Did the mission hurt 459 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,200 him one hundred percent? He would have been the first 460 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,119 overall pick in the ninety one draft. That tells you 461 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,400 all you need to know. All the gms in the 462 00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:54,000 NBA at that time said he was the most talented 463 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,759 upside player to draft, and in the ninety three draft 464 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:00,880 he was. He was the number two overall pick after 465 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,599 coming off a mission, and who knows how the mission 466 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:05,920 impacted him really, so I don't know. 467 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it's yeah, yeah he did. 468 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,799 Speaker 2: He's saying yah yao yao, Ming was a better basketball 469 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:19,400 player than Sean. I didn't say that there. He They're 470 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,279 two different side. There's two different styles of players. Sean 471 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,400 Bradley in many ways kind of looked and felt in 472 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:29,759 college that first year of college and coming out of 473 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:32,759 high school. When you watch his film, you watch his highlights, 474 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:41,160 he wasn't a primary ballhander like what like uh. 475 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: Webbin Yama, Right, he wasn't that. 476 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: But like he he's thirty forty years before his time, 477 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:48,839 before seven footers actually got to handle the ball. Look 478 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,559 at Sean Bradley in transition dribbling the basketball. There wasn't 479 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,000 a seventh footer at that time that could do that. 480 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,279 Maybe I don't know, maybe Wilt the Stilt could and 481 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,640 I just don't have enough film there. Uh, but I 482 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,839 think you guys disrespect Sean. I'll be honest BYU fans, 483 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,680 You guys do not give enough love and respect for 484 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:12,440 the athleticism, the freakish athleticism, the well rounded game that 485 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,039 he had. He could shoot the j too, He could 486 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,440 hit a three like if he was given the opportunity. 487 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,279 Speaker 3: But people pigeonhole. 488 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,519 Speaker 2: Guys in the nineties and the eighties and the early 489 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:25,519 two thousands too, being a back to the basket player. 490 00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,559 But Sean could do a lot of that. He could 491 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,079 do not at all. But I mean he could do 492 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,319 a lot of great work on the court. Just watch 493 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,640 the tape. Okay, just watch the tape. I'm saying, you 494 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,079 guys have a tremendous amount of disrespect. 495 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 3: For the talent that was Sean Bradley. 496 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,279 Speaker 2: You're only one and done, so you're saying that all 497 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:48,759 these other guys are more talented than Sean when he's 498 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,400 literally you're only one and done. 499 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,079 Speaker 3: Do you realize how absurd that is. 500 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:55,319 Speaker 2: He's the one of five players in NBA history that 501 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,640 has twenty plus points, twenty plus rebounds, and ten plus 502 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,720 block in a game. You're telling me that guy doesn't 503 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,799 deserve to be in the conversation as one of the 504 00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:10,279 most talented players in BYU basketball history, a top four 505 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:13,000 talent and BO basketball. That seems I'm saying to me, 506 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,000 that's all I'm saying. You guys can call me an imbecile. 507 00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:19,519 I'm an idiot. I don't know ball. I think you 508 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:22,359 guys are wrong, and I think you guys are doing 509 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:25,279 a severe injustice to the talent that was Sean Bradley. 510 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 3: I think you guys need a check tape. He was 511 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,640 a freak. He was a unicorn. 512 00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 5: So what that being that the freak of unicorn that 513 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:33,880 leads us to the modern day right now, the freak 514 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,799 that we will see tomorrow. Does that mean AJ should 515 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:40,480 be the number one overall pick because of upside and freakishability? 516 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: And with oh yeah, no, no, no, no no, that's exactly 517 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:47,079 why if he's Aj debonsa, if he is the first 518 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:50,799 overall draft thing, it will not be due to productivity 519 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:54,880 in being an elite, an elite scorer and all these 520 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,519 things that everyone loves Jimmer for. Okay, that's what the 521 00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:00,559 the people are angry with me because they're like, well, 522 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,160 you're not giving Jimmer enough credit for being an elite talent. 523 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,519 Like if Jimmer was an elite talent. He could have 524 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:07,240 been a one and done, a two and done, but 525 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:08,960 he wasn't. Jimmer wouldn't. 526 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: There's no day. 527 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 5: But if he played in this day and age, absolutely 528 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,839 one season like that, i think he's done. 529 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,279 Speaker 3: Absolutely no, no, But like he had to, he became Jimmer. 530 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 6: He did absolutely. 531 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,519 Speaker 2: By his senior year, he became Jimmer. But he was 532 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:24,599 not Gimo Dash and his freshman and sophomore year he 533 00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:27,079 was a good player, a good college basketball player. 534 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 3: There's no doubt. 535 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,799 Speaker 2: But there's no way that Jimmer would have been one 536 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,640 and done or two and done. 537 00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 3: He would never He'd. 538 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 6: Have been three and done at the earliest most likely. 539 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he wouldn't have gone first overall tenth pick 540 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:42,359 in the NBA draft. And even then he never really 541 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,599 got an opportunity NBA in the NBA after Sacramento. 542 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,559 Speaker 3: It's true, never because why why why why didn't? 543 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: It never was gonna say well, because of X, Y 544 00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:56,359 and Z, either're gonna contrive things, and they just say, well, 545 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,519 you never fit in the locker rooms. 546 00:26:57,559 --> 00:26:59,759 Speaker 3: He's Mormon. There's bigotry. You know. 547 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: They didn't put him in the right role in offensive defensively, 548 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,039 and I'm not trying to hate on. 549 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 5: Like defensively that anybody can play defense in the NBA. 550 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,599 Speaker 2: But like, obviously no one was willing to give him 551 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:20,200 a chance. Whereas all these other guys chose could have 552 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,720 played in the NBA for a long time, he chose 553 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:25,240 to go overseas, right back to his home. 554 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 3: Uh. 555 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 2: Obviously Sean had a long story career in the NBA, 556 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:29,680 riddled with injuries. 557 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: But still you saw the ceiling. Danny Ainge, Obviously a J. 558 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 2: Deabons is obviously gonna be most likely a franchise player, 559 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:42,599 a Tracy you know, that's what he's supposed to be. 560 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:43,799 Speaker 3: That's his ceiling. 561 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,599 Speaker 2: So when we're talking talent, my terminology is based off 562 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:53,920 of ceiling potential. Okay, not due to productivity and individual 563 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,480 skill sets that have been developed over a lifetime. That's 564 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,079 not how I. That's not how I determine. Uh in 565 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,599 a Merriam Webster dictionary. 566 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, you kind that's off of upside. 567 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: Yeah and even two four seven if you want to 568 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,920 take it off of what they do. A five star 569 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,960 football player is based off of potential NFL draft status. 570 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 5: Well, that's because of that the top three pick, because 571 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,680 the lottery five star lottery. 572 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,319 Speaker 6: Look at it. Four and five stars a lottery. It talent. 573 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 5: Even Yegor four star probably could have been elevated to 574 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,960 a five star. But that just shows he's been the 575 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:31,960 disparity because Yegor and what top ten. 576 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,759 Speaker 3: You can make an argument. 577 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,799 Speaker 2: Ronnie, you could make an argument that Yegor Deman there 578 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:38,960 is more talented than Jimmer for that. 579 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolute, one hundred percent. 580 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 5: You can make that absolute with the versatility of triple 581 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,920 double and the shooting. 582 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,759 Speaker 6: Now, absolutely you can make that argument. I hear that 583 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:46,480 one hundred percent. 584 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 5: You definitely can make that argument that Yegor was more talented, 585 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,880 you know, than than Jimmer for dead. 586 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,079 Speaker 6: And obviously people a gonna argue me, say, ron you're wrong. 587 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 5: A body of work and nobody I love Jimmer for that. 588 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,440 That was how I got introduced to by U and 589 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,880 b A Basketball was watching him. So don't people think 590 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,680 being disrespectful. But when you watch Yegor and just the 591 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:06,359 to me, just the upside that because to me, Ben 592 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,400 is ten percent, that ten percent of impact Yegor is. 593 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,519 This is really gonna sound disrespectful, light years above jim 594 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,440 Or because of the IQ ability when you add the 595 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,640 pass to the fact that when you add that skill set. 596 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:20,680 But I know there are gonna be some people listening 597 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,240 right now, they're gonna roast me. But you can't make 598 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,839 that argument. Yes, you're correct that Yegor is more talented 599 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,079 than Jim A for that absolutely. 600 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,319 Speaker 3: Well you can. I mean I'm saying you can try 601 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:29,079 to make that argument. 602 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 6: You can't try to know it's on the table. 603 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,039 Speaker 5: Well, look right in the NBA, I keep getting people 604 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,119 keep coming in my DMS at me saying why you 605 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,079 keep saying this is wrong? Because all I heard from 606 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,960 BYU fans I'm knocking on the table was he shoots terribly. 607 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,279 All I heard from not NBA draft and list from 608 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,640 other people from local things, looking, oh, he shoots twenty 609 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,440 three percent from the three, And it's like, do you 610 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,799 not understand that the mechanics are there that he can 611 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,119 develop a shot. John Morant was a terrible college three 612 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,039 point shooter. John Morn did not shoot a three point 613 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,880 basket that well in college. What happened when he got 614 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,599 the league way better because of that, because the upside, 615 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,359 you can shoot better in the upside when you have 616 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,720 the mechanics. And now now you see what Yegor is 617 00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,759 doing like, man, we're talking about a guy that has 618 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:09,519 a potential to be a future. 619 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 6: All Star and a franchise player for the nets. 620 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 5: Like they like what he's doing now, like him being 621 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,519 back on the starting lineup, and if they ever do 622 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:16,279 move him to the bench in there they were doing 623 00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:19,039 it's because of matchups, like Yegor is gonna play a 624 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,119 long time in the NBA, been long time. 625 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:28,519 Speaker 2: Sean Bradley, by the way, you know his his rookie season, 626 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,839 you know, I mean average, what was it? He started 627 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,799 forty nine games, sorry, he played in forty nine games, 628 00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:39,119 started forty five like he every single season, his season 629 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,279 was cut short. I think ninety six ninety seven was 630 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,720 the only only year in which he played like an 631 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,319 entire full season. Maybe it was maybe later on with 632 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:52,160 the Dallas Mavericks too, But you know, averaging thirteen points 633 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,920 per game, almost a double double, eight point four rebounds, 634 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,279 almost forty five percent from the field. 635 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: I underrated, underrated. 636 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: Let's go to break, don't go anywhere, guys, more to 637 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,720 get you on a beautiful Friday edition of Cougar Sports 638 00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:07,599 Yard one three nine ninety eight point three ESPN. 639 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: The