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Speaker 1: And I thought, jp maybe if we need these answers

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about these shows in the eighties that came to Boston

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with Eddie Ndlman sort of behind the scenes making them happen.

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What if we were able to talk to mister Handleman,

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What if we were able to locate him and get

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all of our questions answered? Would that sound good? I

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think that's the only way we could do it. So

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we'd love to welcome mister Eddie Andndleman now to the

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Lapsed Fan to help answer all of the questions that

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this and other shows from Boston in the eighties. Rais

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Eddie Endelman. It is a pleasure to have you on

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the show.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: So I want to start with King of the Ring.

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That actually the first King of the Ring in nineteen

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eighty five at Sullivan Stadium in Foxborough happened before this

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Wrestling for a Cure event at Matthew's Arena at Northeastern

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just a few months prior the same year, in nineteen

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eighty five. Can you tell us the story of how

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you brought King of the Ring here?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I mean any of these things I

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did was for charity. I never made a Nickel off

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of any of them, and I concentrated on children's charities

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and I think I did pretty well by the Jimmy

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So it was really my pleasure and very rewarding for me.

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But what happened was I actually owned the land where

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the Patriots were. So I went to Billy Sullivan and

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I said, look, I have a plan to raise some

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money for cystic fibrosis, but I need your help on this.

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What can I do? I said, Billy, what I want

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to do is get the cheapest possible rent I can get,

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because I have no idea if one person's going to

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come at twenty five, there's a thousand people would come.

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And he says, shook my hand. He says, you got

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a deal. And they gave me a great deal. And

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so that was the beginning. And then I called Vince

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McMahon uh down in Connecticut, and I've known Vince in

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his family for quite some time, and I told her

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what I wanted to do and what the charity was,

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and he said, how do you think we'll do it?

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So I have no idea, Vince, That'll be up to

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you promoting it. So he said, no, I understand. And

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so remember Don Morocco, of course, well you know he

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was from Newton, he wasn't a Hawaiian. Another another wrestling scam,

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and he insisted on uh ending up the King of

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the Ring, the King of the King of the Ring

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had well he wanted he had his family there and

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uh and then he said that I couldn't stop laughing.

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He said to uh Vince, he said, don't forget. You know,

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we all bought tickets. You know, we bought good seats too.

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So uh Vince said, did you want your money back?

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That's not that's not so.

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Speaker 1: So anyway we had he bought the tickets so we

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could go over, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we had eight wrestlers and there was a

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quarterfinal and a semi final and of course a final.

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And I don't even remember who Don Morocco beat, but

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I know why. I was with his family and they're

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Wow? So yeah, they brought a good show. We do

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almost thirty thousand people.

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Speaker 1: It was it was all the way of becoming a

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draw and buy the tickets yourself.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry again.

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Speaker 3: So that's a whole new way to become a wrestling drawer, right,

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buy all the tickets yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, anyway, it turned out to be very good.

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We made over we made over one hundred thousand dollars,

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and we distributed it to severals. Oh, concentrated on children.

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Speaker 1: That's terrific, so amazing. If you're curious, Eddy don Morocco

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beat Iron Cheek in the final to become King of

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the Ring. And then that's right, and then you had

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Hogan and nikola I Volkov in the main event. Did

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you get to work with Hulk at all? What was

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he like?

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so they had to they had to tell the Sheikh

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you know, uh, he had to take a beating and

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because he wasn't happy with that. But he was as

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Russian as Ivana Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the one way to put it. You know,

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that's funny. So you're why King of the Ring, you know,

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why not just a card of matches? Why this tournament?

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Why this sort of special attraction? Who came up with it?

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And why did that happen here?

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do original things, you know. I mean that's part of

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my my blood structure. I get a kick out of

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doing things that nobody's ever done before. And I thought

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it would be successful. Uh And Vince was into it,

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and the wrestlers of my add were really into it,

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and it turned out to be a very good thing

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because I threw a dinner for them at the Kowloon

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and they, like the real Russians were invading a one

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with the Red Chinese and and they became very friendly

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with the Wongs. Andy Wong is probably one of the

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brothers that owns it. It's probably the single biggest wrestling

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and boxing fan in the world. Sometimes you get him

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on your show because he knows everything. You mentioned my name,

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I'm sure and he'll do it.

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Speaker 1: That's great, that's great. You know, that's always been a

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great curiosity of ours that as New England wrestling fans,

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is why the Kowloon all these years being the spot

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wrestlers flocked to.

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Speaker 2: Well, that answers it. You know. It was really funny.

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I forgot all about it. And when I was running

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Floxborough Racetrack, I used to get home, you know, at

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twelve thirty or one thirty. But of course in those

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days I'd weighed two hundred and seventy pounds. Now I'm

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one hundred pounds less. There you go. I wish, I wish,

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I wish I'd listened to my wife from the beginning.

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o'clock in the morning, and I swung a lot of

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MACI into the kyw Loon Parkers. It was not a

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space there. And I didn't realize at that time that

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Andy had made friends with all the wrestlers and gave

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them special attention, and it's become a thing with them.

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a must go to the alone and eat your head off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say that must have been quite

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a sight to see the whole nineteen eighty five King

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of the Ring card just, you know, push the Kowloon

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to its absolute limits in terms of inventory. I'm sure

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they ate more than they'd ever seen before.

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Speaker 2: Well, they advantages retired restless. I mean, the whole family

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was like filled up the place. But you know, it

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was the least I could do. And as I said,

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friend of mine. The ones and wonderful people, and there

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is no Chinese I'm down in Florida, now yeah, I

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would rather eat out of a dumpster than Chinese food

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in Florida.

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Speaker 1: Good to know. Pro tip if you're ever down there,

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right there, you go forget it.

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Speaker 2: Forget it.

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Speaker 1: So you worked with Vince Junior putting it together. I

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know you were a longtime wrestling fan and you would

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have wrestlers on your show, you know, of course, a

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highly popular sports talk radio show, and I wanted to

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know what it was like. We're working with Vince and

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how that, how that evolved, because it's a pretty powerful

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promotional platform you guys had on your radio show.

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Speaker 2: Well I've had. Vince is not only a good friend,

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but he's a wonderful person. Vince is very charitable. I'd

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take his handshake over any contract. The best lawyers ever

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drew up. He's that kind of that kind of a guy,

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and I think the world of him. And you know,

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he's the one that finally cracked the Restless and started

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to pay them fairly. No, not, none of the other

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groups ever paid them fairly. So if you're a star there,

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you get you get the dough. Yep. If not, you

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work in the minor leagues and try and work your

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way up. The only thing I don't like about the

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wrestling now is it's too much concentration on the women

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wrestling and we don't have the and the managers that

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Speaker 1: You know you must be thinking Ernie Roth.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Ernie was a very close friend of mine. I

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liked him because he was a betting to gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: I used to go right, yes, I used to go

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to Suffolk downs.

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Speaker 2: With him all the time. I ended up lending him

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money which I never got back.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't get one of his charges to pay you back.

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I mean he managed some of the biggest stars in

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the territory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they got what they call zip.

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Speaker 1: A lot of good. That did you, right? So how

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far back does your fandom go at you? I mean

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you're from Boston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here, I'll tell you a little trivia question. Okay, yes,

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how far it goes back? On w e X fifteen

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to ten on the dial. At that time, they had

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a wrestling on the radio show Live from Boston Arena.

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hundred and tens time. And of course it was the

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director because there was no other sports on fifteen ten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, forties, And I was just a young kid then.

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you know, it was so cheap to get in there.

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you bought it, and that's where the hockey team plays.

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Speaker 1: So Boston Arena isn't isn't Matthew's arena when we talk

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, it's Matthew's arena.

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Speaker 1: But I think Matthews was Northeastern as supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: It's North Eastern, Okay, got it all right?

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Speaker 1: NBA doesn't get more Boston than that, Eddie Geez doesn't

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get more Boston than that. A bachelor's from BU and

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a master's from Northeastern.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I knew I had to make a living.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely So. Do you remember dano O'Mahoney? Who the wrestler

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dano O mahoney. It might have been a decade before

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you started going to the matches, but he was. He

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was a huge draw. Did you ever go to matches

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing when I look back on those old

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I can't imagine them doing a wrestling show at Fenway

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Speaker 2: I've always hated fin White Park at best. To be

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charitable or is it dumb?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to Yeah, I don't want to open

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an old wound or anything. JP. You got anything for

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a fready here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the World Series or the NFL Championship super Bowl,

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but it's right up there now with the World Series

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and wrestling. Yeah, that's in the country. I mean, it's

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a huge money maker. You know, people don't understand why

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Vince McMahon got so rich, And I'll explain it to

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you if you want, please, sure, all right, just just

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think about this. He runs a wrestling show in Minneapolis.

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He gets to keep all the money, lets his rent

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and expenses to the rest. So a show makes well

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over one hundred thousand dollars. Some weeks, he does two

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he blends it in and sells it to the networks.

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his again, So he's lighting the candle at both ends.

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a year, so the company makes millions of fact, it

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had a public stock issue and I bought some years

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and years ago. I think I paid ten dollars this year,

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and it's worth many times that today.

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Speaker 1: Still holding Eddie, Still holding WW I'm sorry, still holding

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WW stock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that changed the name now WWE now, of course, yeah, yeah,

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But I had a lot of fun, you know. I

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maintained over the years, I owned a wrestler. I don't

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know if you remember this or not, but I owned

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a wrestler called a mask rabbi. Oh yeah, and he

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was ashamed of the congregation, so he wore a mask.

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And what he used to do was the reason he

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was undefeated. He used to smash the Ten Commandments over

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his opponents, said, which is actually in the rule book,

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because I had the rule book right in front of me,

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and it says on chapter twenty seven, lines one through four,

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no eye gadgeting is allowed, and no choke holds anything

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else is perfectly legal of smashing the tablet over someone's head,

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or as mister Moto my idol used to say, you know,

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he had that dust in his pouch and his stomach.

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He would throw sand in his opponent's eyes. Well, I

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fought for him for years that it was a legal

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move because it's not excluded. And people used to get

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upset with me. But listen, that's the way the ball

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bounces like you see it.

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Speaker 1: Who can we say, all these years later, Eddie, who

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was under the mask is the red mask? Rabbi? I'm sorry,

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who was under the mask is the mask? Rabbi? I

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can't tell you that I'm sworn to see you have

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to k favios on that. Wow, that's good for you.

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That's a rare that's a rare thing these days. Keep

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it alive, man, keep it alive.

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Speaker 2: My word. But I'll tell you a couple of other things.

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Remember James Stern.

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Speaker 1: Of course he was from Everett.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was from the chickataw Nation Eddie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's wow funny. And I'm one of the

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few people that were invited in Miss Elizabeth and Rowdy

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body pipe is wedding.

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Speaker 1: It's Ready Savage's wedding. Mancha man, You know I'm not

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so phone.

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Speaker 2: You have to speak up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Yeah, I'm talking about macho man and Elizabeth's wedding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that like?

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Speaker 1: Tell us all about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I kind of get I'm on the Oh oh.

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Speaker 1: It was that kind of wedding. Huh wow all right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want I want to tell you my hint.

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There was sixteen naked women, uh plus hay Stack plus

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hay Stack.

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Speaker 1: Go wow, you're saying and he was naked?

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 1: What did you go into his hotel room?

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Speaker 2: Any? No? No, this was this was the rich.

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Speaker 1: Were there were the women under him or in his

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belly or something where.

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Speaker 2: No, I just was a quiet observer. I mean I

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felt flattered because I've never been that high in society.

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Speaker 1: You're killing this is great? So so where how about this?

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Where was the wedding? Was it down in Florida? The

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Randy Savage is Elizabeth wedding?

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Speaker 2: No? Was it the Rits in Boston?

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Speaker 1: Really, I never knew that. I never knew that wedding

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was here? Wow? So all right, Well we talked about

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King of the Ring and we established kind of how

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that came together.

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Speaker 3: And I do want to ask him one question I

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want to ask, go ahead, did you know did you

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know Big Joe Lacreta?

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Speaker 2: No? No, all right? My best friend and the wrestled

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was Captain Loue Albano and the most learned, versatile, brilliant man.

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He was a scientist, he was a lecturer, he was

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a music aficionado and a man that could solve h

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a crossword puzzle in New York Times in less than

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two minutes.

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Speaker 1: What was the key to his longevity? Do you think

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lou Albano?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean he ate right all the time. You

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know he exercised, all right, yeah, well that's right. And

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the other thing is, you know, an open belly and

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all kinds of weather is healthy. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's constantly getting an air bath, if you will,

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on the stomach. Yeah. So so King of the Rings

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behind us and it's a success. Everyone seems happy, and

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of course you the next year, nineteen eighty six would

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be the second King of the Ring back in Foxborough, Massachusetts.

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But between those two King of the Rings a fascinating development.

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You team up not with Vince McMahon, but with Vern

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Gania to put on the show we're talking about this week,

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Wrestling for a Cure at Matthew's Arena.

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Speaker 2: It was on. No, no, Frank Kanya did not put

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the show together.

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Speaker 1: Oh, talk to me more. Who did.

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Speaker 2: That? Was Vince's father?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, on the broadcast you have Greg Ganya, the

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son of Vern, come to ringside and you and Killer

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Kowalski interview Greg and Greg talks about how Vern really

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wishes he could have been here and how much the

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event meant to him to be a part.

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Speaker 2: Well, he sent a couple of wrestlers, is what he did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was entirely an a w a roster. There

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were no w w F guys on the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, and Slaughter was on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He had just left the w w F earlier

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that year in a dispute with Vince over the licensing

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rights to the merchandise. In fact, there was there was

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a lawsuit out between him and Vents at the time.

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You weren't there, he was there. This guy knows better

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than you. Keep your mouth shut.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the one of the big mistakes of

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my life was taking Size and Slaughter to eat.

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Speaker 1: Oh tell me more, please. I've said that a hundred times.

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I'll keep saying it.

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Speaker 2: Well. At that time, Jurgen Park was in the Coffee

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Square mall uh huh. It only lasted a couple of years.

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But I'm not ex what I tell you. You know

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how big those roast beefs were. Sure he had two

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of them, Oh my god. Plus he had three desserts

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and half a dozen drinks. And then I said to him,

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like on a joking manner, I said, hey, saj you know,

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how would you like to get a snack? So he said, well,

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what have you got? I'd say, handed him another menu,

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I said, whatever you want, so he did. He ordered

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some kind of shrimped castle role. I don't know what

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it was, but he says he's got to watch his weight.

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Speaker 1: Clearly. So one of the things we see speakers watch it,

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watches it very well. He watches it. Yeah, he just

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doesn't do anything about it. Yes, but one of the

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things we see on Wrestling for a Cure that that

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the TV broadcast on CVB is that he had done

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sort of a promotional tour of Boston. He was out

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of Faniel Hall taking pictures with people and trying to

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drum up interest in the show.

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Speaker 2: And Channel four has always been a classy station. Yeah,

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and they do things right. Your object, of course, was

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to raise money for jar and a very sad thing

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when you bring it up. I hate to tack about

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it because the Joey Fund was named for Joey o'donald. Yeah,

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at that time was dying. He was Joe Donald's son.

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He was like twelve years old and he sat on

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my lap for half the show. I was doing the

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Color Wow and he was dead like two weeks later, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, So do you know that you remember that joe

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Little Joey actually got on the TV show. Sargeant Slaughter

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was holding him in his arms.

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Speaker 2: He was he was on my lap for half the show.

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Of course, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's amazing. Is that love? Did you let

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him in the ring? Is that why the ring filled

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up with all those kids after Sargeant Slaughter won?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us that story? That was crazy? All

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of a sudden, Mike Lynch is overwhelmed by all these

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people filling up the ring.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's what happens at the Boston Garden too.

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You know. I used to take my three kids, my

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three boys, to the wrestling and they jump on the

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ring and I were having a heart attack because I

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expected the ring to collapse. But Sagean Slaughter was really

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a nice scout. That a little story about him. He

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had two young daughters, I think one was eight and

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one was six. They had never been to a wrestling

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match before, so this was their first one. And of course,

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the Russian handed Sergeants Slaughter a terrible beating. For the

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first fifteen minutes. The girls were petrified, they were crying,

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they were hysterical. My wife, the fabulous Judy, was there

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and she was calming them down. And then of course

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he made a comeback and he raised the flag and

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sang the national anthem, you know, and he beat those

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dirty Russians. Wow. But my wife reminds me of that

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once she catches me watching wrestling.

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Speaker 1: That's great. So that was Sargent Slaughter's two daughters for

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the first time. We're seeing him wrestle. Yeah, were they

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were they an emotional record? Did they know was the work?

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Speaker 2: No, they had no idea. They thought it was getting

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a beating. I mean there were young girls, did you,

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eight and six? And they never saw it before and

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he never told them that it was all fixed.

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Speaker 1: When you had guys on your radio show, wrestlers to

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what degree, you know, when the microphones weren't hot, were

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they talking to you like real people or did they

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did they try to be their characters to you at

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all times? Or were you kind of let into the

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business because you know, you had such a key role

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in these local shows.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're all performers. You got to understand that. And

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so to come up and be a superstar, you know,

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they're always interviewed because don't think those days they had

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managers interviewing. That was there was less wrestling and much

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more interviews, which I thought was a riot and I

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think what happened was that they started to be in money,

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you know, as much as the rest was. And of

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course so they downplayed that. You don't even see them

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anymore today. It was just, you know, just overhead that

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he didn't feel it was necessary. Turns out he was right.

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McMahon is a shop guy. Don't ever underestimate him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you on that for sure.

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Speaker 2: His wife'stephen shopper. So you just she just donated forty

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million dollars the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, well publicized, yeah she uh, she

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got a high post in the Trump administration and all

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the rest. So wrestling for a cure. Sargent's slaughter was,

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like I said, going around the city shaking hands and

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drumming up interest. And there was an article in the

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Herald that he got a parking ticket in his camouflage limousine.

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Do you remember this?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: I paid it.

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Speaker 1: Oh you paid it. You couldn't get Ray Lynn and

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take care of it. He was in the front row.

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Speaker 2: No, we couldn't. But it was a wonderful night, it

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really was. And Chet was a wrestling.

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Speaker 1: Fan, yeah, Chet curtis the anchor. Yeah, yeah, and wrestling fan.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Natalie hated it. Yeah, she left after

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ten minutes.

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Speaker 1: Oh his wife.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was a lady and it was something

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she'd up familiar with.

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Speaker 1: Here you So what was the deal with the parking ticket?

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Did Sarge come up to you and say, hey, Eddie,

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I got this thing. What can you do about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, he had a manager that he traveled with,

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so I think it was like at the time, like

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ninety dollars, eighty dollars whatever was I paid it? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Cool, all right, so that got taken care of.

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Speaker 2: So it was a cool guy.

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Speaker 1: So I got to ask you back to back to

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the nature of this car and the wrestler's on it.

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You know, you've got Nick Bockwinkle, You've got like you mentioned,

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Sergeant Slaughter, There's Larry's Obisco and Bobby Backland and the

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road Warriors.

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Speaker 2: Bob Black, Bob back One. Because of me, I thought

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00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:08,799
it was going to kill me. He was booed unmercifully. Yeah,

475
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,680
because I would call him the biggest fraud and phony

476
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:14,640
that ever lived. I would call him as Sissy. I

477
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,519
called him every name that there was. So he couldn't

478
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:22,240
understand why people will bored him. Then the guys that

479
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,559
listened to the show are telling them, oh, that guy

480
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,640
over there, So I said, go ahead and take a swing.

481
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,039
You couldn't hurt me if you wanted to. Amazing. I

482
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,920
know you couldn't do it.

483
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,559
Speaker 1: So what's the backstory there? You're calling him a fraud

484
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,920
on the radio before the show happened. Yeah, yeah, why

485
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:39,640
is he a fraud?

486
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: Well, because he couldn't wrestle. It couldn't beat anybody. He

487
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,160
had no color, he had no stick.

488
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. At one point during the course of

489
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,799
this broadcast, wrestler, two very highly scientific wrestlers by the

490
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,960
name of Brad Ringins and Billy Robinson are in their

491
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,279
exchanging holes and in tights and knee pads and boots,

492
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,119
and you straight up say on the broadcast, Eddie, you

493
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:05,000
just say, you know I'm gonna I'm gonna sit back here, killer.

494
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,119
I prefer good guys and bad guys. You were bored

495
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,480
to death and you weren't afraid to say it.

496
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: I remember exactly what I said. I said, if I

497
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,559
wanted this kind of stuff, I turned to educational television.

498
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: So the Matt stuff, the chain wrestling, the exchanging of holes.

499
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,720
That wasn't so much Eddie Edelman's thing. It doesn't sound

500
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,880
like no, no, I like to manage is the best.

501
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,079
Speaker 2: I mean, I had Louel Bono on never had to

502
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,359
rehearse anything. He'd walk in the studio and I say, look,

503
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,920
you know, what are we going to do? The Russians

504
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,440
are trying to take over a Stonia. And then he

505
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,400
would come on and say, I'd get the tanks, I

506
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:53,559
get the parent troopers, make up numbers one hundred and fourteenth,

507
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:59,240
the women in the hospital, taking care of the Red Cross,

508
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,559
the wounded veterans, and he go on and on and on,

509
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,720
and it got to be a game with him because

510
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:09,000
in me, because I just want to ask him stupid questions.

511
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,920
You know, why do they call bananas bananas low? You know?

512
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,640
And he would say that's a crazy question, but I'll

513
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,400
tell you the answer, and they go on and on

514
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:18,839
and on.

515
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:21,799
Speaker 1: Oh he was learned, indeed, Yeah, I mean he was

516
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:22,559
an encyclopedia.

517
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: And then I'd introduced him as the President's personal advisor, right,

518
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:35,119
and also the man who would predict volcano eruptions a

519
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:40,880
year or two before they happened. But unbelievable, the men

520
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,519
who will right now is working on the research of

521
00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,960
the common cold. And he would go on. He would

522
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,440
talk about his microscopes, and I mean he really was

523
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,000
a funny guy. And he had a wife who was

524
00:28:55,039 --> 00:29:00,440
about five ten, barely one hundred pounds, and he led

525
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:00,799
him on.

526
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,039
Speaker 3: Uh.

527
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: One time I was in New York. I was on

528
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,400
the television show and and Luke came by to see it,

529
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,720
and he brought his wife and went out to eat afterwards,

530
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,960
and she would order him around like you wouldn't believe.

531
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:19,079
She said, you was slub. Put a napkin down your table.

532
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,119
You know, y.

533
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: Wow, what did you think of that time?

534
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,119
Speaker 2: I really was ever afraid of these guys.

535
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Remember Doctor Death, David Chuld of course maniac.

536
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's the one that punched John Stassel. Yeah,

537
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,039
but I got to tell you something. He came into

538
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,160
the studio and he was a frightening guy. I mean

539
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:43,880
really a frightening guy. You know, we didn't know what

540
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,440
the hell to expect. I was glad you McCarthy was

541
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,480
there because I would I was saying to doctor Death, said,

542
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,519
see that guy that he makes funny, Well, David kick me.

543
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:01,640
But he was really a strange guy. Yeah, but them

544
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,119
what fun guys. They weren't paid very much in those days.

545
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:09,160
That's one thing McMahon has done. He pays them feely.

546
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:12,359
Speaker 1: I hear you. So let's circle back because this did

547
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,240
I mean, you did King of the Ring with Vince

548
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,559
in June, and then August comes around and you're working

549
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,880
with Vern. Can you talk about how that happened or

550
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,000
do you not remember? I'm sorry, I said King of

551
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,240
the Ring happened. Obviously, that's with w w F and Vince,

552
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,920
and then that's in June, and then August comes and

553
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,920
you do Wrestling for a Cure in Northeastern and that's

554
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,240
with Vern, Ganya and a w A wrestlers. Can you

555
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:35,759
talk about how you shifted to talking to Vern for

556
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:37,799
that show? Why wasn't it a ww F show?

557
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: And Sam Recole he sent some wrestlers. I mean, yeah,

558
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,839
he sent wrestlers, and I think and I think McMahon

559
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:55,640
did too, or I range it through McMahon. McMahon was involved. Okay,

560
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,759
I just don't mean it's forty years ago.

561
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, yeah, I mean we're just we're in

562
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,799
an advantage because somebody had the copy of the show

563
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,799
and put it on YouTube. I mean, we wouldn't have known.

564
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,480
I mean I was three years old when this happened,

565
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,039
two years old, so I wouldn't have known. I wouldn't

566
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,400
expect you to have the recall anyway, But yeah, it's

567
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,640
it's just interesting because you know Northeast Boston, Vince McMahon,

568
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,119
WWF Connecticut based, you know, and and your Dune King

569
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,240
of the Ring. Yet here you are working with Vern

570
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,200
Gania had just gotten on ESPN with his a w

571
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,160
A Wrestling, So they were kind of going head up

572
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,000
against Vince McMahon on Tuesday nights on TNT based on

573
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,799
the TNT on USA with the TNT show based on

574
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,119
the based on the scheduling of the shows. So it

575
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,799
was kind of a competitive time in the business, and

576
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,240
I'd wondered if there was kind of a to do

577
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920
about the fact that you went with Vern clearly for

578
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
this show and after having gone with Vince before.

579
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,759
Speaker 2: There several territories. There was a California territory, Oh yeah, absolutely,

580
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,599
it was a Canadian territory. Yeah, but you can have

581
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,640
an exclusive territory right in the United States.

582
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: So do you remember the story of Greg Anya Verne's

583
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:03,880
son saying on the broadcast that Vern wishes he could

584
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,319
be here, but he had a fishing accident in Alaska.

585
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,039
Do you remember that?

586
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: No?

587
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he excited. That is the reason Vern wasn't there

588
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:14,599
in person. I wondered if there was a story there, not.

589
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: That I know of. Fair enough, Okay, you're talking about

590
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,000
something a long time. I can't remember what they had

591
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:20,559
for breakfast?

592
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. That did not say much. Well, you're

593
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,279
doing a great job. I mean, we've already gotten so

594
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,920
many fun details that that I I've got more than

595
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,079
than I expected to remember. So this is this is

596
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,400
really great. Let me ask you, how did you get

597
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,119
the mayor to come? Mayor Flynn?

598
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: How did you get the name King of the Ring?

599
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, how did you get Mayor Flynn to come?

600
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:44,839
Ray Flynn?

601
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,759
Speaker 2: Oh? Ray Flynn was a great sports guy and a

602
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:54,279
really good guy. I mean I was a fan of

603
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,119
hitsment he went with the Celtics, and if Ray Flynn

604
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,519
had been in the NBA when the three point shot

605
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,559
was there, he would still be playing. Oh yeah, he

606
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,440
was one of the deadliest shooters I've ever seen. Wow,

607
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,079
But he had white Man's disease.

608
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,799
Speaker 1: What's that you couldn't run. Couldn't run, Oh, he couldn't run. Okay,

609
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,559
So when when Sargents Slaughter is wrestling in the main

610
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,279
event against against Boris Zukov, the Russian, they end up

611
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:28,039
at ringside and at one point Larry Sharp, who is

612
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,000
the manager, pretty boy Larry Sharp of Zukov gets thrown

613
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:32,839
right into your lap and kill her, and you guys

614
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,400
have a big, you know, jostle there. How was that

615
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:39,720
unexpected that the wrestlers suddenly were right there up against you?

616
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:40,960
I mean, did you know that was Kelly?

617
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, listen, they show people that's what they are,

618
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,119
you know. I mean, I've never taken it seriously, as

619
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,480
I always said every time I ever did a wrestling show.

620
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:58,359
There's only one major sport in this country that's never

621
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,559
had a betting scandal. The Bruins had a big betting

622
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,880
scandal with a guy who was fixing named Don Gallinger.

623
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,119
Pro basketball has had several, baseball has had several, and

624
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
pro football has had several, but there's never been one

625
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:16,159
in professional wrestling.

626
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,159
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is?

627
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: Well, that's true.

628
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: Finally, for you, Eddie, we want to thank you so

629
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,280
much for all this. This is just it's so great

630
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,079
to get this detail. I think it would be lost

631
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:35,719
to history if we didn't get the chance to talk

632
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,559
to you. The wrestlers that did the show, be it

633
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,079
King of the Ring or be it this Wrestling for

634
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,800
a cure so that they got paid off of the

635
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,280
donations and then what was left over got donated. Did

636
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,239
the wrestlers get paid to do these shows? I'd imagine

637
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,840
they did. They flew in from all over the place.

638
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: No McMahon paid them.

639
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: Wow. So you just took the proceeds from the ticket

640
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,760
sales and donated them and a lot of good things,

641
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,519
believe me. Yeah, that's that's really cool.

642
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:03,639
Speaker 2: Go to waste.

643
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,519
Speaker 1: So when you did these charity shows, then you would

644
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,079
you would take all the ticket sales and donate them,

645
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:11,559
and the promoters would take care of paying the wrestlers.

646
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:12,480
You didn't pay the wrestlers.

647
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did the Hot Dogs five for twenty five years,

648
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,000
thirty years and never paid a penny. Wow, it all went,

649
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,519
It all went to charity. Whatever expenses there were, I

650
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:23,320
paid myself.

651
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: It's really cool.

652
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: So I've been lucky. I've been lucky. You know. Sports

653
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,679
was just part of my life. I'm a businessman.

654
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know.

655
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,119
Speaker 2: And I've done well and I always appreciated the fact

656
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:42,199
that I have three boys that are very successful and

657
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:47,239
the uh if you had to go a Mayer is

658
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,280
a very successful company.

659
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: Yep.

660
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: And they bought the mend and drive in a couple

661
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,360
of other drive ins.

662
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: Yep.

663
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: They've done They've done.

664
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,079
Speaker 1: Well, Absolutely they have. So that's great. So there was

665
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,199
one more King of the Ring. It was locally before

666
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,880
it became you know, a pay per view and everything.

667
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,760
It was I believe nineteen eighty six Foxborough, and then

668
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,280
after that I think there may have been one JP

669
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,719
do you know in Providence or something.

670
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,679
Speaker 2: No, that was that was the second one in Foxboro

671
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,360
that got fogged out.

672
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: Really yeah, tell me more, Eddie, What do you mean

673
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,280
I fogged out? It was canceled it.

674
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: Well, they started it, but then they couldn't finish because

675
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,519
you couldn't see the ring. Oh wow, that that whole

676
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:32,920
area of Foxborough is like a fog area.

677
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:36,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

678
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: The next the next four years it was eighty six,

679
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,760
eighty five, eighty six in Foxboro and then the next

680
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,920
four years in Providence.

681
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: In Providence, did you have anything to do with the

682
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,719
Providence one, Eddie, No, No, Okay, what was the difference there?

683
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,360
Why did they go from Foxboro to Providence?

684
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: Well, because I only do things for charity that I'm

685
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:02,280
involved with, right and and Providence was a money deal,

686
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:03,039
I see.

687
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:06,679
Speaker 1: They so they saw the publicity that and then the

688
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,199
crowds they drew eighty five eighty six and lured them

689
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,760
over for a paid show. It sounds like, yeah, probably, yeah, yeah,

690
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:16,840
that makes sense. Do you remember sort of hitting them up, Hey,

691
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,159
you coming back in eighty seven and them saying, no, Eddie,

692
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:20,880
We're going to Providence. Do you remember that whole thing?

693
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: No? No, I don't think I had anything to do

694
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,079
with it.

695
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Would this name mean anything to you? From the

696
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,440
nineteen eighty six King of the Ring show, he faced

697
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,199
Bruno san Martino that night, a gentleman by the name

698
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,760
of the designated Hitman.

699
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Bruno and I will arch enemies. Really yeah,

700
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,639
I mean really. One one night I was with Billy Massolino,

701
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,519
I used to play for Holy Cross Football great Foot,

702
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,360
and we're at the Cafe House at one o'clock in

703
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,239
the morning on a Friday night, and Bruno came in

704
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,320
and Billy ran up to him and said, that's the

705
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,480
guy that has challenged you and calls you a sissy

706
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,239
every week since he's been on the radio and television.

707
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,239
And so Bruno came over, but I grabbed a knife.

708
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,039
I mean, he was you know, Bruno actually believed he

709
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:21,840
was champion of the world. Yeah, most of these guys

710
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,480
don't believe it. He actually believed it, you know. So

711
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,400
you know, you know you're talking. Yeah, there's a psycho

712
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:33,559
coming at you. You better have a weapon. But Bruno,

713
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,800
he's a dumb.

714
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: Bell awesome, so awesome. So I got to ask you, so,

715
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:41,079
why would you call him as sissy and everything on

716
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,239
the air? Was it because you were trying to be

717
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,639
the heel and it was fun? Stick?

718
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a stick, that's all. And I used

719
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,280
to say, I know four Italians that committed suicide because

720
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:55,320
Bruno kept saying he was Italian. I mean, I would

721
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,519
just knock him every week.

722
00:38:56,679 --> 00:39:01,119
Speaker 1: It's incredible, he had some balls. Why did you, I mean,

723
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,119
did you expect that one day you'd come face to

724
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:05,000
face with him and he'd just be yeah, it's all

725
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:06,440
fun and games. And then he wasn't.

726
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:13,159
Speaker 2: No, I assumed that he realized that it was shick,

727
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,960
you know, And uh, I mean all wrestlings are stick,

728
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,199
so why would I think different. Yeah, he went up

729
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,639
to him and he started to come at me. I

730
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,280
was scared, of course.

731
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: How did it end up resolving itself?

732
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: Did he all I had to throw at him was

733
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,079
to play the spare ribs like a knife? Yes?

734
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,639
Speaker 1: Did you really throw spear ribs at a betty? No?

735
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that was an alternative. I didn't if I didn't

736
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,400
have a knife.

737
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: Spirit, I see your point. So how did that resolve itself?

738
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,239
Did he just back off at one point? With wrestlers,

739
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,719
you don't usually have spare ribs.

740
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,679
Speaker 2: That's a good one, but I I just don't care

741
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,159
about the women wrestlers. I think it's kind of boring.

742
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: Okay here around that? Uh so the brute trying.

743
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: To appeal to fourteen year old boys?

744
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:11,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that. No shortage of them,

745
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,840
it shows. So how did the Bruno confrontation resolve itself?

746
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,679
Did he just back off at one point? Or did

747
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,000
he No?

748
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,159
Speaker 2: He sat to talk to me and then as I

749
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,079
was going out, and I was you're a moral.

750
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: So he just gave you a stern talking to and

751
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,440
then went about his business.

752
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

753
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: So he just gave you a talking to, so to speak,

754
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,599
and then went about his business. That that's how it ended.

755
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,159
Speaker 2: Oh did you know he had a business No, yeah,

756
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:49,239
in Pittsburgh Bruno San Martino health Store. I used to

757
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,400
I used to make fun of it every time I

758
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,039
would see a person that was sick. Oh, agent, I said,

759
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,360
that's guys walking advert. I used to add, for he.

760
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,679
Speaker 1: Must have loved you. Oh that's incredible. Well, you know

761
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,840
one thing that happened here locally was when Roddy Piper

762
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,480
passed away. You actually sort of re emerged and authored

763
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,960
a piece for the Boston Herald kind of remembering him

764
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,000
and what he did for you and the shows he

765
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:20,880
was on. Can you talk to us quickly about the

766
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,360
hot rod?

767
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,159
Speaker 2: It was a front page story, it was yeah, yeah, Well,

768
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,840
I mean, Piper was really a funny guy to begin with.

769
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,599
He had a great sense of humor, and he loved

770
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,719
playing the role, and he loved wrestling in the skirt,

771
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,480
you know, and he loved talking. He liked the talking

772
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:50,280
better than wrestling. So Pipe's pitt was probably the highlight

773
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,000
of anything I've ever seen on wrestling. Do you remember that?

774
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: Of course?

775
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I'll know if forget it. He broke a

776
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,519
cheer over what that was.

777
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Snucker.

778
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 2: Jimmy Snuker, You're a disgrace the rest of I mean

779
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,320
his interviews. They've tried one hundred different interviews since then,

780
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:16,920
but no one had the charm that he had.

781
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: Sure, but.

782
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: You know, because now it's much more of a a

783
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,800
business than it ever was. You know, they're merchandising. In fact,

784
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,440
anybody at the Boston got and they'll tell you when

785
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,800
wrestling comes once a month or so, do the Boston

786
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,800
Goden They spell more souvenir merchandise than they deal with

787
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,960
their bruins and the sushlets combined for a month.

788
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:45,559
Speaker 1: Wow, it's got a long, long history in the city. Hey,

789
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:47,840
do you remember Harley Race He won the nineteen eighty

790
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,960
six King of the Ring crown.

791
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Holly Race. Yeah, I do remember him.

792
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: Because he would He was on WWF television all the time.

793
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:57,840
Is the King the King? And no one really knew

794
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,880
why because the King of the Ring wasn't on television.

795
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,320
He wanted here in Foxborough. Do you remember any you

796
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,079
remember him going over and winning the King of the

797
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:05,400
Ring and working with him at all?

798
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: No, I don't all right, I don't, No, I don't.

799
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,239
But there were good guys, you know, except for Bruno,

800
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,800
there were really good guys.

801
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,679
Speaker 1: Well it sounds like Hulk too. It sounds like you

802
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,920
weren't too impressed with Hogan.

803
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,519
Speaker 2: Well, Hogan was Hogan couldn't wrestle at all. He had

804
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,239
to say what they say, He had to say hi,

805
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,639
because he couldn't do anything right. I mean, he certainly

806
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,079
was a character. And he had the kids taken the

807
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,599
vitamins and while he was taking drugs.

808
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:43,039
Speaker 1: What do you think, Eddie, did he get him from

809
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:43,920
Bruno's health store?

810
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably, Now, Bruno's health store. They had two of them.

811
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:53,280
They went the funck of course, because when you know Bruno,

812
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,000
I used to say Bruno was like three foot nine

813
00:43:56,639 --> 00:44:00,239
and two hundred and sixty pounds of muscle, you know,

814
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:02,800
and you know he really was very short.

815
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was. You can tell it when he's

816
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,159
in the ring with certain opponents. He's very short.

817
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

818
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: How was worked? Finally, how was working with Killer Kowalski?

819
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:14,239
He's an institution around here. How was he? Walter Walter?

820
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: Yep, Well, you know people don't know about Walter. Was

821
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,000
Walter was a vegetarian. He didn't get married till he

822
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:30,719
was seventy one. And I actually went to the wedding. Wow, oh,

823
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,679
if someone was trying to get me. I actually went

824
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,079
to the wedding with Ed Bell from w BZ News,

825
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:41,280
who is a big wrestling fan. And I think I

826
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,559
gave one hundred bucks. I don't remember, but yeah, I'm

827
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:49,920
sure I did. But afterwards, it's a place called Hugo

828
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:55,480
Harrington's Miniature Golf and Restaurant, and that's where the wedding

829
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:01,760
party ate and in exchange, they ate for nothing, in

830
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,559
exchange for the publicity they got, which was which never came.

831
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,920
No one cared. I oh god, you bring back a

832
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,760
lot of fond memories. But you know, when I did sports,

833
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,719
I really I really tried to make it fun, you know,

834
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,639
and not be afraid. And I didn't care. You know,

835
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:24,559
I never cared if I was going to be fighted.

836
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,280
That never bothered me because I knew I would make

837
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,000
a good living. I'm extremely well educated and had a

838
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:37,239
good business sense. And so to me, what's the worst

839
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,920
thing that could happen to me? You know, I get fighted,

840
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,199
so what so the next day I'd make some money

841
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:43,960
someplace else.

842
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so we're glad you took the time, Eddie.

843
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,840
I'm glad it brought back some fond memories.

844
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

845
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,039
Speaker 1: And we thank you so much for joining us here

846
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:53,079
on the lapsed fan, filling in so many holes we

847
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,360
had on King of the Ring Wrestling for a cure

848
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,960
in the mid eighties. Thanks for your contributions to Boston Wrestling,

849
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,920
and thanks for your time tonight.

850
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: Okay, good luck to your fellows. Thank you,