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<v Speaker 1>Your morning news, getting ready for work, and all day in

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<v Speaker 1>DE Talk Station Extra Special Wednesday got the Big Picture

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<v Speaker 1>with Jack Avdan, the legal advice from Steve Gooden, and

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<v Speaker 1>now we get to hear from listener favorite Congressman Thomas Massey.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the fifty five krc Morning Show, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always my distinct pleasure to have you on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to be on the show with you here from

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<v Speaker 2>the swamp. It's actually snowing here in the swamp.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, nobody's going into the office for work anymore, so

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<v Speaker 1>the traffic was really light. Yeah, I imagine. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because the federal employees quit instead of showing up

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<v Speaker 2>for work.

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<v Speaker 1>That may be that, yes, and there'd be more than

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<v Speaker 1>they are going to be quitting soon or losing their

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<v Speaker 1>situation if Donald Trump has its way, before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to eliminating the Department of Education, real quick here, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get it out of the way, because people are asking

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<v Speaker 1>you have any consideration running for Mitch McConnell's seat. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's the same circus with different clowns. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>could literally see the Senate side here from my office,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have no desire to go over there.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, We're just we're happy that you were there

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<v Speaker 1>in elected capacity, just keeping an eye on things and

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<v Speaker 1>at least speaking truth to power, because you're good at

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. All right, let's start with it. But there was.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did see a poll yesterday and said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already in second place.

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<v Speaker 2>So i'my shippy about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Cameron and the lead. You know, he was our

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<v Speaker 2>governor primary winner, so yeah, like, hey.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take it that way. Place. It's not bad for

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<v Speaker 1>not even getting in the race. Yeah, hat's not even

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<v Speaker 1>in the ring and you're still running in the second place.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. All right. Can we eliminate the Department of Education.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they just canceled a one hundred million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>DEI contract, and that in and of itself is bad,

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<v Speaker 1>But you got what eight hundred and eighty one million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in contracts coming into the Department of Education. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I have to ask, maybe perhaps a rhetorical question,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell is the Department of Education? Really doing

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<v Speaker 1>to educate our children. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 2>There are four thousand bureaucrats at the Department of Education

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<v Speaker 2>making an average of one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand dollars a piece per year. That is that's money.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's three thousand counties in the United States and

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<v Speaker 2>we've got four thousand bureaucrats. So every county could get

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<v Speaker 2>another school teacher and you could pay one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year if you just take all the money

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<v Speaker 2>that's being wasted in DC, not to mention the money

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<v Speaker 2>that's being misdirected by the Department of Education. Less than

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<v Speaker 2>ten percent of K through twelve education is funded by

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<v Speaker 2>the federal Department of Education. Yet at least half of

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<v Speaker 2>the bureaucracy at the state and local level is caused

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<v Speaker 2>by the Department of Education. You would have more money

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<v Speaker 2>for teaching children if you just gave it to the

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<v Speaker 2>states or let the states keep it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I introduced HR. Eight ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I think it's the shortest bill in Congress, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's one sentence long. I found the problem is my

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues all they do is read the title.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't read the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>So I made a bill whose text was about as

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<v Speaker 2>short as the title.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It says, on December thirty first, twenty twenty six, the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Education shall terminate.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the whole bill. Oh, that's beautiful, we're keeping

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<v Speaker 1>it simple. Stupid. Yeah, well, you know, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>could call it that. The bill could be called that.

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<v Speaker 2>The only complaint I've got is people want to know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>why we have to wait till twenty twenty six. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>in all seriousness, there are a lot of things at

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<v Speaker 2>the Department of Education. People say, well, what would you

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<v Speaker 2>do with these things if the Department of Education cease

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<v Speaker 2>to exist? So, for instance, student loans could go to treasury.

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<v Speaker 2>Treasury could manage student loans. Sure, hopefully we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have people pay them back. The other question that you

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<v Speaker 2>get is, well, what about head Start?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, guess what.

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<v Speaker 2>Head Start ain't even in the Department of Education. Head

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<v Speaker 2>Start is under the under HHS. And then they say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what about the school lunch program? Don't you care about

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<v Speaker 2>the school lunch program? The school lunch program is under

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<v Speaker 2>the USDA. So all of the stuff that people care

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<v Speaker 2>about that they think the Department of Education does, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't even do, so, get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Get rid of it. Yeah, I don't think anybody be

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<v Speaker 1>any worse for work, except for the employees that are

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<v Speaker 1>making fat salaries for probably doing nothing more than propagandizing

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<v Speaker 1>our young people. Well, and I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to ask how old you are, Brian. I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>Busie sixty in September.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sixty, So you're six years older than me. You

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<v Speaker 2>made it to the tenth grade before there was a

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<v Speaker 2>Department of education?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I made it to the fourth grade before

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<v Speaker 1>there was the department of education. Like, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>how did you even learn to read? Brian? Without a

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<v Speaker 1>department of education? I asked the same question out loud

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<v Speaker 1>about all these you know, grand and glorious complexes that

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<v Speaker 1>you're building, these huge uh stadiums and and and huge,

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<v Speaker 1>massive luxury filled buildings, kind of like colleges are now

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<v Speaker 1>on a high school level. And I think to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I remember taking classes in a trailer parked

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<v Speaker 1>outside Della High Junior High School, and you know we

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<v Speaker 1>still managed to get and learn our health class and

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. So you know, you don't need

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<v Speaker 1>all the bills and whistle the same thing goes for

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<v Speaker 1>the the pay course stadium. Do you need a disco

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you need anything more than just a

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<v Speaker 1>locker and a shower? The answer is obviously no. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>moving over, I had an idea I raised with Senator

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<v Speaker 1>it off you. Considering what DOGE is doing ferreting out

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<v Speaker 1>the fraudwatent abuse, or at least providing us with great

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<v Speaker 1>illustration of where our hard earned labor turned into tax

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<v Speaker 1>dollars is going. Can we take those seven thousand irs

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<v Speaker 1>agents and use them as auditors of the various departments

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<v Speaker 1>to assist in this important work.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I'm not sure that all of them got hired

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<v Speaker 2>yet or they're all on probation. Probably redirect all of

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<v Speaker 2>that effort into something useful. And you use the words waste,

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<v Speaker 2>fraud and abuse. That used to be a bipartisan term.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You could get up and give a speech and say

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to find the waste, fraud and abuse. And

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<v Speaker 2>you could give that speech at the county level, the

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<v Speaker 2>state level, or the federal level, and nobody could tell

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<v Speaker 2>if you were a Republican or a Democrat. But now

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats are on the side of waste fraud abuse. They're

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<v Speaker 2>literally advocating for waste fraud abuse because they are so

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<v Speaker 2>upset about Doge and Elon Musk, one of the smartest

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<v Speaker 2>men in the world, find government waste, fraud and abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I got a big kick of not his initial statement,

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<v Speaker 1>but Democratic Representative Quisium Fume went on a rant the

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<v Speaker 1>other day talking about a street fight, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>party that says we shouldn't be violent, And then he

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<v Speaker 1>had to have his spokesman come out and explain what

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<v Speaker 1>he meant by that, part of which included wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>ferret out fraud, waste and abuse, which I'm like, hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't reconcile these two things, you know, he says.

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<v Speaker 1>Congresson and Bumi supports many of the things that makement

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<v Speaker 1>run better, including ending cost overruns of the Department Defense,

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<v Speaker 1>tackling the underworld of fraud and improper payments associated with

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<v Speaker 1>government spending, and establishing a scorecard within agencies which measures

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<v Speaker 1>their ability to curb waste. Oh, that's why he's angry

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<v Speaker 1>about what Elon Musk is doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and listen a lot of this stuff. The courts

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<v Speaker 2>are already trying to stop Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>From doing forty nine lawsuits so far.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the and people have asked me, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you impeach these judges? That's certainly one of the solutions.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Lee is talking about limiting their jurisdiction for national injunctions,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's another solution. But those are efforts that take

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<v Speaker 2>lots of votes in the Senate. For instance, to impeach

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<v Speaker 2>a judge, you need sixty seven votes in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to get Democrats to impeach Democrat judges.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the other things require massive change as to

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<v Speaker 2>our judicial system.

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<v Speaker 1>What we need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Is every time that Doge finds waste fraud abuse and

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<v Speaker 2>every time Donald Trump moves to eliminate it, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce a bill that does the same thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we have a process here in Congress. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>expedited process called reconciliation that deals with spending, where you

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<v Speaker 2>only need fifty one votes in the Senate to pass it.

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<v Speaker 2>We should be putting everything that Doge finds into this

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<v Speaker 2>big reconciliation bill you might be hearing about on the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Every one of those things should go into reconciliation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the bill that can pass the Senate with fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one votes and pass the House with two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen votes. Instead, all they're fixated on in this reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>bill are tax cuts. Now, tax cuts are great, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you cut taxes and increase spending, or cut taxes

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<v Speaker 2>and fail to cut spending, yeah, you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>some economic growth from cutting taxes, but not enough to

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<v Speaker 2>make up for all of the lost revenue to the government.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to cut spending when we cut taxes. One

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<v Speaker 2>way to do that is to take all of these

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<v Speaker 2>DOGE recommendations and put them in this big spending bill

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<v Speaker 2>they're calling a reconciliation bill.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the hold up, Congressman. This sounds like a brilliant idea.

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<v Speaker 1>My colleagues just are not serious about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the reason DOGE is getting stuff done is

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<v Speaker 2>it's one person. As soon as you get a committee,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets almost impossible. And then when you give FO

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty five people involved, it's almost astronomically

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to try and get something done.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there in lines the challenge. I mean, you know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have Judseph Paul Tunnell on the next segment,

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<v Speaker 1>and he and I both agree we are not big

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<v Speaker 1>fans of the Imperial Presidency because we appreciate what the

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<v Speaker 1>founding fathers put together by way of checks and balances.

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<v Speaker 1>But if Congress doesn't ever do anything and continues fiddling

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<v Speaker 1>while Rome is burning, then it invites that type of behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I tweeted this a few days ago that Doge

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<v Speaker 2>is on a collision course with the Uniparty, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Uniparty still runs Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know people don't like me to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Ill of another Republican, but Mike Johnson is still a

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<v Speaker 2>spokesperson for the Uniparty.

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<v Speaker 1>This hasn't been resolved yet. There is a collision.

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<v Speaker 2>Course between the Uniparty and Doge coming up. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Elon Musk suffer any fools and when he

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<v Speaker 2>finds out, my colleagues here just are not serious about

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<v Speaker 2>cutting spending. In fact, I think we're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>an omnibus bill that's going to fund USAID.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make a prediction on your show.

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<v Speaker 2>The government funding that it was due September of last year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for this fiscal year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been kicked down the road twice, the can has

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<v Speaker 2>and it's ended up in March. And in March they

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<v Speaker 2>are going to probably pass an omnibus bill here. I

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<v Speaker 2>to include all the USA ID stuff that Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm interested to see.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens when those two things collide. When you have

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<v Speaker 2>my colleagues here in Congress, when you have Mike Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>stand up and say.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we got to put all this stuff this USAID

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<v Speaker 3>in here to get these Democrat votes or else they

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<v Speaker 3>won't vote for it, and the fiscal concern it is

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<v Speaker 3>won't vote for it, and we got to avoid a shutdown.

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<v Speaker 3>So we got to fund all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>No, waite for it, wait for it.

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<v Speaker 2>The best they can do is hide it so that

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<v Speaker 2>the news doesn't report on it. They're going to try

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<v Speaker 1>Let's pause, we'll bring back Congress from Massy. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have some good news to talk about. Come back from

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<v Speaker 1>the few good ones sad news about the Omnimus bill.

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<v Speaker 1>The anticipates, but what do we expect? I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Senator ram Paul yesterday on the program Congress from Massy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh by the way, judging of PAULA Tana is listening

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<v Speaker 1>see him looking forward to having him on the program next.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know love that man. I know he loves

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<v Speaker 1>three of US. Senator Rampaul, I think it was him

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<v Speaker 1>who mentioned that beyond the what eight hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>going to increase military spending even though they can't pass

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<v Speaker 1>their own damn on. It's like seven or eight times

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<v Speaker 1>unleashed on the defense spending. Not that I'm against depending

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<v Speaker 1>on America's military. I'm a huge support of the American

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<v Speaker 1>veterans in the American military. But eight hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've got family members that serve in the military.

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<v Speaker 2>Nearly everybody does or has the best friend that serves

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<v Speaker 2>in the military, and they can all tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>waste fraud abuse there, especially these government contracts. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a friend who works for the government, and it's his job,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an engineer to review government contracts to look for

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not, this already exists within our government.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what happens every time he finds, like a jar lid,

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<v Speaker 2>we're paying ten thousand dollar dollars to Lockheed Martin is

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<v Speaker 2>They tell him, well, Lockheed Martin's the only one that

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<v Speaker 2>make these for like fifty cents, but if you just

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, we got to buy it from Lockheed Martin.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's all kinds of waste fraud abuse in the military.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've heard a theory and I like this theory

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<v Speaker 2>that DOGE is just sort of warming up on USAID

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<v Speaker 2>and some of these other institutions that are full of

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<v Speaker 2>waste fraud abuse, so that when they get to one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most revered institutions in the United States, which

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<v Speaker 2>is our military, they will have credibility to go after

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<v Speaker 2>some of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I got it well by revealing the low hanging fruit,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the shrimp on treadmills, or you know

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ support groups in you know, some Middle Eastern country,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're scratching your head, going what sesame Street and Iran? Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 1>no one except the insane Democrats who are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to defend this to some degree, no one can

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<v Speaker 1>defend it. We are uniformly against this outrageous expenditure. So

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<v Speaker 1>you broadcast it to the world. You realize, you point

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<v Speaker 1>out the American taxpayer where all their money is going,

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<v Speaker 1>and you gain a lot of support. So I share

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<v Speaker 1>with you your enthusiasm that that's what's going on now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good marketing tool and a step in the

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<v Speaker 2>There's a line item I want them to look at.

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<v Speaker 2>If somebody is listening to this radio show, it's called

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<v Speaker 2>OKO Overseas Contingency Operations, and this is where they always

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<v Speaker 2>so they called it OCO. And that's where a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the Afghanistan waste was and still is.

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<v Speaker 1>The Special Inspector.

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<v Speaker 2>General for Afghan Reconstruction John sopco that man has found

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<v Speaker 2>like every time they find something, I'm like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about that for five years ago, ten years

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<v Speaker 1>Glad you finally found it. Amen, how about the well,

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<v Speaker 1>pick your topic, repealing double tax on Social Security? Of that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>grab that one. Then yeah, I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>So when you pay into Social Security, it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>on it twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>When they instituted this in nineteen eighty four, they said

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<v Speaker 2>And in nineteen eighty four, if you had thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>But that ain't the case these days.

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<v Speaker 2>So probably at least half of people who receive Social

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<v Speaker 2>Security are paying tax on it. And it discourages anybody

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<v Speaker 2>making returns on it. And so what Trump has proposed

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<v Speaker 2>this but I've been introducing this bill for twelve years,

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And frankly, I can't take credit for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did R and D to come up with this bill.

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<v Speaker 2>I ripped off and duplicated. That's what R and D

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<v Speaker 2>stands for here in Congress. I r indeed a Ron

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<v Speaker 2>Paul bill which gets rid of that second tax.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't even have to report your Social Security income.

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<v Speaker 2>If this bill passes now here's I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>the bill in the hopper in Congress, just to sign

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<v Speaker 2>the HR numbers serially, And just one day I got

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<v Speaker 2>it in my head, I'm going to go introduce this

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<v Speaker 2>And they said ten forty. My tax bill is HR

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<v Speaker 2>ten forty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, So we need.

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<v Speaker 2>HR ten forty, not ten forty easy, We need HR

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<v Speaker 1>HR ten forty sounds like the wise, prudent and extremely

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<v Speaker 1>logical thing to do. But something tells me, given the

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<v Speaker 1>prior comments you met about your cohorts up there, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be in favor of it. Congressman Thomas Massey,

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you, sir. Keep up the fantastic work, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you're able to fifty five KRSE dot com stream

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation I'm gonna have next with Judge Enninopolitana, who

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<v Speaker 1>is of course a huge fan of yours. Well, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever you're doing taxes in April and you're ten forty,

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<v Speaker 2>remember call your congressman and ask them to support HR

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<v Speaker 2>ten forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen, tell the judge I said, Hi, you just did yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, brother. We'll talk again real soon. Stay well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back. Fifty five KRC the talk station.

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<v Speaker 3>This