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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasicho's I am dam Balley coming at

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you with my certified, fantabulous, one and only, irreplaceable, indispensable

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manager of the Year for you baseball co hosting mister

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Grant Hughes, We're here to talk today about some later

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season NBA breakouts that we think deserve more attention. One

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of them is glaringly obvious, but the rest maybe not

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so much. So we have like ten or eleven players

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here that we will go through just sort of like

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putting a pin in it buying. Are we buying or

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selling this? Do we think it sustains? What are the

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long term implications? We'll get into it all. But first, Grant,

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how the heck are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're doing this too, because, uh, I was thinking,

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as I was thinking about this beforehand, I find myself

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at the first of all, the very first person I

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think of for this type of exercise, like if you

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go back over the last several years, do you want

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to guess who it is?

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, the late season surge? How much does it mean?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the first so specific player, it wasn't like

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a sort of jailing green.

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Speaker 2: That's really it's an even better answer that should be

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the right answer. Mine was Anthony Simons because it felt

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like it happened twice. He had like two separate late

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surges where the Blazers had quit, and it's like, oh

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my god, you ever was like twenty seven and seven

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over in March?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Uh, But if you want to read about NBA basketball,

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it's that March absolutely is telltale of what well.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's thank you for that. That ties exactly

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back to what I was thinking, is that, like I

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skew towards skepticism, Like that's my default position on almost

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all these guys because or at least coming into it,

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maybe after some research something.

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Speaker 3: My opinion did change on a couple. But as far

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as like buy or.

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Speaker 2: Sell, But like do you approach this with uh okay,

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I like, I'll remember this, but there's no way I'm

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going to get suckered into thinking player X is actually

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this good and will be this good all next year

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because March or post All Star Break, they've they've looked

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like a different guy. Do you are you skeptical by

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nature on this type of thing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I approach everything with a measure of

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skepticism or even devil's advocacy, or if it's something where

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I approach it with, okay, I'm wrong, not that I

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necessarily think that I'm wrong, but let me try and

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disprove why this wouldn't be real. And I also think

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some of the players that I at least selected are

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reflective of that in the way of I'm not buying

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into just like maybe there's bigger name players that have

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made these sort of like Steph Castle is a good example.

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We've talked about him a lot on this podcast. He's

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not on this list just because we've given him a

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ton of shine when it comes to we did rookie

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stock reports, we've done Rookie of the Year and all

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rookie talks. But it's like the scoring efficiency is up,

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and so yeah, that might be telltale, but it's like,

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I'm not just going to buy when it's a bit

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like more of a bigger name prospect or player, and

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then the assumption is, well, this proves that he's going

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to be a star. I will always go into this

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saying that's not the case, even though might be because

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you want to see what holes you could poke into it.

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Speaker 3: It's like for Castle, He's a good example.

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Speaker 2: Like I think I will go into next season, like

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if forced to answer the question of like, so what's

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the biggest like swing factor for Castle or like what

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what are you worried, It'll be like the shooting, you know,

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I'll I'll like forget that he's been like more efficient

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during this stretch because like basically this this stretch won't

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answer like the lingering you know, career trajectory question. It's

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just like a data point that's kind of interesting, and

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you can if in fact, like these guys do sustain

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to this and say like, oh, it actually started at

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the end of twenty four to twenty five, but we

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discounted it. So yeah, I just I just wanted to

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like anchor there, which is I think I'm going to

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talk up a lot of these players and like kind

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of be sold by some of them. But I do

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think that is the right approach, which is just to say,

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like listen, if we go on and on about how

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that's where you really learn who can do what and

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who can't do what, then this is the exact opposite

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of that, where it's like march games, especially for certain

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teams that are not fielding real lineups, for example, it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And I think for all of these players, it's at

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least an acknowledgement they are currently headed in the right direction,

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and I think it gets more interesting to talk about

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rather than, oh, is this the new normal for everyone?

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more established, because we have a lot of the younger

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guys on here, but someone like Quentin Gron' would be

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a good example, or the first player that we're going

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to get to in just one second, it's okay, like

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they've been in the league a little bit, especially the

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first player, and so that's when I think it matters

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more to ask the question of, oh, is this exactly

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like how they're going to play moving forward, rather than

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is this more an indication of where their stock is headed?

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about what they could do.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: We begin with Denny avia Grant. What's he been doing.

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Speaker 3: He's been doing a lot.

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Speaker 2: He's got like a trio of games here in the

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last I don't know a handful of weeks that if

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you had checked out on the Blazers, which why because

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they're still one of the most exciting, like kind of

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out of it teams.

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Speaker 1: Can I interject?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 1: Can I interject before you get started? I had to

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do who's gonna make the play in? Like who's in

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and who's out? Recently I put the Blazers in over

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the Suns, did you. I mean, it's just like, what

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is I The whole thing is that the Sun's been

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playing better in March. Congratulations, you're still five hundred and

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we have a whole season's worth a sample, Plus you

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have the toughest remaining schedule. The Blazers defense, I still

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their offense gives me. Some of their lineups are killing it,

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but their offense can get very choppy. The defense it

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lines up with the personnalities like Donovan Click can play

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more minutes. It's I have them. I want them to

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make the play in at this point. I know fans

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care more about the lottery odds in some cases, but

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at this point you're not falling any lower than like

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eighth in the order, So just get in the play

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in and get that experience as would be would be

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my preference.

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Speaker 2: Well, and and Ovdi no, that's a great say, Like

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Ovdia's defense is I think if you're we may have

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some harbor some doubts about some of the other stuff

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he's done, whether he can hold up under this level

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of usage, so on and so forth, but like the

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defense is real, Like this guy is a legitimate like

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big forward, versatile, plays super hard, is extremely strong, Like

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I keep seeing reports about like how much stronger he's got,

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and he's always seemed like really like played with a

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lot of force and is like a powerful player, Like

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he's a legit defender.

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Speaker 3: It's still Timani Kamara.

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Speaker 2: Is where it starts and stops, like that guy's like

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Speaker 3: But Avdia is like not.

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Speaker 2: That far off from being close to that level. So

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but we're not talking about the defense. So just against

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the Grizzlies the other night, thirty one, sixteen and eight,

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he had thirty four, sixteen and six against the Warriors,

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twenty seven to fifteen and five against the Knicks. After

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the All Star break, he's averaging basically twenty nine and five,

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twenty points, nine rebounds, five assists almost sixty five percent

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true shooting. His usage is up to around twenty five percent,

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a higher usage rate than he's played, you know, really

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at any point in his career. But like he's an

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interesting guy to be here because you and I have

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been in the bag for him since like his rookie

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season in Washington.

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Speaker 3: I think like we've been looking.

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Speaker 2: For excuses to talk about him, and now it's kind

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of undeniable because he is just a legitimate offensive threat.

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Like the three point accuracy is up on higher volume,

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it's thirty six percent now shot thirty seven point four

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percent last year on lower volume.

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Speaker 3: He's driving more.

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Speaker 2: He's not shooting better on drives, but he's getting the

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line like over twice as often per game on drives.

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first option, like that's that's not where we're going here,

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but as like a really good second slash, third option,

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who can create, who's gonna draw fouls, who can make

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open threes. Like I mean, he's just a high end

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starter to me, And this is one of the quote

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unquote breakouts like that I do legitimately buy I think.

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Speaker 3: He is this good.

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Speaker 2: The only question is, you know, on the next year's

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iteration of the Blazers or like, I don't know, whatever

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like quite this much opportunity to like be on the

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ball and to have this high usage and shoot the

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ball this much. I don't know, but I do think

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if he if he does get those opportunities, this feels

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like pretty real to me.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I would agree. I definitely buy it. And

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I'm why would he have less of an opportunity next year?

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Speaker 2: You might see like scoot and shade and scale up

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a little bit. But yeah, no, it's it's not like

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you're giving more touches to cling In or Camara. You

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wouldn't think so. But I could see both guards getting

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like they get lucky in the lottery and they draft

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someone who's supposed to be on ball, It probably help

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a little bit. I know he's not soaking up like

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a metric ton of touches, but if you trade Jeremy

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Grant like you could inoculate yourself against some scaling down

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I would buy it too. The thing that I think

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reinforces this is more about the Blazers though, because we

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seen it when it comes to Scoots finishing at some

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other players as well, Denny. After you shooting like fifty

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two percent on layups since the start of February, just

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forty two percent on two point jumpers. I want that

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team to get better. Spacing so bad. It's I love

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a lot of the personnel and some of the lineups

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are really working, but if you could just add or

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infuse this rotation with another really dangerous shooter. Yeah, And

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because I know Kamara and Ovia have been shooting the

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ball well from three. Grant is what he is. But

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it's like, if it could come at the three or

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the four, because you do have Simons, assuming he's still

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going to be there next year, I think that would

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open up like a ton of space for the two

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players that I think actually would benefit most from it,

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or Scoot and Denny.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.

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because if Klingon is a core piece, which it seems

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like he pretty much is, like you're just you're only

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gonna have so much spacing going forward. You know, he's

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gonna be barring like a I mean he's behind Edie

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as like a spacing shooting center, and like Edie's like

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very speculative on that front anyway, But yeah, I agree,

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better space, and like he's not Avdiya is not like

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a on top of the rim finisher by any stretch,

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his strength and stuff like finishing craft. I think is

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really a point you'd want him to develop. And that's

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gonna be even more important because I think Donovan Klingon's

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gonna be so much space.

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Speaker 1: Which he's really good. It's just it's not necessarily the

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center's job to space the floor. He'll have that, you know,

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if you can run picking rolls between those two. Having

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just more shooting and will help there as well. We

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move on to our next player, and it is Josh Giddy.

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Did you think that he would be appearing on such

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a list this season?

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Speaker 2: Grant, No, well no, but but like haven't we sort

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of been down? I should have looked this up more closely,

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But like I feel like we've been down the road

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of like, oh my god, the three is falling. That

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changes everything for Josh Giddy and and the three is falling.

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I mean he missed time. I think he went like

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nine days off. He's got an ankle injury right now,

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has missed probably three or four games I guess in

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that stretch of March. But like he is making his threes,

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so that's that's like a legitimate thing. He's twenty one

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of forty from from deep in his first nine games

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after the break, and like it's.

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Speaker 3: Not like he was broke all year. Like he's been in.

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Speaker 2: The thirty four thirty five percent before the All Star

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Break on catch and shoot threes, but he's up to

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like the high forties on catch.

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Speaker 3: And shoot threes since the All Star break.

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Speaker 2: Has even made pull ups, Like I think I count

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there's a few days ago, so there might be one

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or two extra, but it's like six of eight on

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pull up threes, which is really dragging the average up

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after the All Star Break.

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Speaker 1: Were they the slowest most methodical pull up threes in

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the history.

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Speaker 3: I should have looked at the tape because it's like,

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how does he even do that? Like how is that possibly?

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How does he create the space?

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Speaker 2: I think much like he's a good foil for Avdia

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because I think we've both been pretty out.

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Speaker 3: On Giddy in general.

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Speaker 2: So like the skepticism is high here because even if

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the three point shooting is anywhere close to this, it

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doesn't mitigate the like, well who does he guard question,

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which is like such a central issue for him, and

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if and the follow up is like, well, if he's

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on the ball all the time, which he still probably

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should be, because I don't know the defenses are ever

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going to be concerned about him because of the slow

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release and because of you know, then like what's that

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mean for the rest of your offense?

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Speaker 3: I think all the.

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Speaker 2: Biggest Giddy questions persist, like even with better shooting, just more.

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I mean, he's got like twenty three and ten and eight.

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You know, he's got a crazy post all star break

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like counting stat average. I don't think we should be

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swayed by that or by the like spike in three

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point shooting, because I just don't, like, do you ever

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see him being someone that it's like, oh my god,

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we left giddy open as a defense, like someone's getting

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pulled out of the game for that mistake.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, no, because even his former teammate

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Lou Dort would be a great exercise. And this players

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now dangerous from three. He takes a bunch of them,

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He makes a bunch of them, and defense is still

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don't care.

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Speaker 3: Right, they're like least of the evils will let him.

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Speaker 1: Right shoot it. So and also to your point, like

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this is just we've been here seeing that before. So

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post all so, pre pre All Star break, for his

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career Grant he's shooting thirty one point two percent from three.

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His career post All Star Break, he's shooting thirty eight

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point two percent. For his true shooting percentage, it increases

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by five and a half points from pre All Star

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to post All Star. His post All Star sample size

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for his entire career Grant is sixty two games. And

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so it's just this is encouraging, and you look at

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just the other stuff he could do. I think the

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big thing for him is that can you get him

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to where he's hitting either pull up twos or his

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floaters at a really good rate, because then that will

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at least open up his game and everyone else's game,

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because he's never gonna be at least sustainably a top

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notch finisher. To me, like he doesn't have that that

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speed or it doesn't even seem like he has that

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feel around the basket, and when he gets so deep

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it almost feels like he's looking to pass more. Anyway,

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He's at forty seven point two percent on his floaters

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since February first, Like that's probably like that's a pretty

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good number to be yet I don't think it's life

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changing or anything around there. But if you like, if

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he's going to take those shots and make them and

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he's going to hit his wide open threes, like he

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does become way more of a valuable player to Chicago

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and it does make Does this influence anything that you've

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seen over the past, you know, months, two months, whatever,

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how much you would pay him in restricted free agency?

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Speaker 2: I mean the thirty million dollar figure per year is

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what's been out there. I think Brian Windhors it was

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one of those things where like Windhorse was talking about

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like the going rate. It was in context of discussing Giddy.

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The going rates thirty million a year for a starting

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point guard kind of seems like Giddy's a starting point guard.

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I think it's it would be a huge mistake to

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pay him that much just because like, of all the

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of all the defensive issues, of all the like fit issues,

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all that stuff is just still there. So I think

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I don't think the broader market is going to look

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at this and say, okay, like, let's get an offer.

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Sheheet ready, like I or you know, I just I don't.

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Let's look what do we got for Giddy? The bulls though,

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I do think the Bulls now because you know, the

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pop committed nature of it all, like, hey, we gave

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up Caruso. Like I do think this makes it more

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likely that they pay him more than they should. I

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really do, because they're they're sitting there watching it. And

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maybe it's harder to like cause if you're the Bulls,

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you really want this, like you're much more apt to

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be like taken in by this this hotter stretch than

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you are if you're like kind of added remove and

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trying to be objective about Giddy.

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Speaker 1: What's tough for me is that so thirty million will

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be about twenty percent of the salary cap if we assume,

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like moving forward, if we assume he gets the maximum raises,

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that's really not the end of the world. If he

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is your starting point guard, my issue would become I

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think that there is real downside there that you might

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not have with a lot of other starting level point guards.

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And also, and go check out our episode with Keith

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Smith from this previous week where I asked this question.

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I'm not in favor of players having to accept less

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money than teams are willing to give. But I don't

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understand when restricted free agency specifically has unspooled the way

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that it has the past few years, where no one

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I know there's not a ton of cap space out there.

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That's one part of the point, but also too even

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when there's been cap space, it's not being used to

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give out offer sheets. And so make go find me

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offer sheet that is going to get him thirty million

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dollars a year. And if he finds it, if Brooklyn decides, hey,

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we need someone to leave the offense, we think it's

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this guy, he won't ruin our tank next year. Okay, great,

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then decide whether you want to match it or not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I feel like I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It does feel like you're rooting for management, which is

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always like kind of uncomfortable. But I do think I

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totally agree, especially in a case like this, but almost

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more broadly, just make that's what is restricted free agency for,

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if not for a team to just exercise leverage and

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be like, prove you're worth this.

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Speaker 3: Before we go give you something.

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Speaker 1: I am rooting more for Bulls fans here because even

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I think there will be some that disagree that Josh

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Giddy has a like not even a cult following, Like

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there's just Josh Giddy supporters, which ye, the numbers he

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puts up, you read them like they're they can be

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video game esque. It's just I don't think if if

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that's the deal, I think that'll be a better deal

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than what they have Patrick Williams on right now, and

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he's worth like eight percent of the salary cap. However,

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I don't like, you don't look at it through the

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lens of like it could have been worse, Like that

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is the worst measuring stick possible. So I'm rooting for

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Bulls fans to see management act capably. And I think

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a number I'd be comfortable with. I'm lower on Giddy

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than most, so I'm looking at like, okay, would I

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pay him more than the mid level which is fifteen? Sure,

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I'm gonna get a little uneasy if my goal is

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to perform in the playoffs and I'm paying him twenty

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plus million a year, even though that's fifteen percent of

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the salary cap or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: I think, like, yeah, it if you just look at

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it and it's like, is he gonna average twenty three

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to ten and eight? Like is that can and then

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like a lot of fans, a lot of teams will

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look at that and say, that's a thirty million dollar player.

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It's just like you have to think, like, well, just

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just one not like ten level, like one level deeper,

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and ask yourself, like, what does investing this level of

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money in Josh Giddy mean for the rest of our roster?

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Like it's a finite resource game, and if you have

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Giddy in this prominent of a position, you just have

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to figure out a lot of trickier stuff with the

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other guys on the floor than you do with Like

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if it's Kobe White, that's gonna make thirty million, it's

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like cool, Like nothing's coming off the table.

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Speaker 3: He's a lead guard. He's gonna score. Yeah, we maybe

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need a better.

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Speaker 2: Defender next to him, But it's like, well, that's priced

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into normal sized point guards. But half the time anyway,

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Giddy's just like just the complicating factors are just like

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and so many they're just more.

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Speaker 1: It's not like, and let's use Cody White as an example,

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it's not like we're waiting to see how this scales

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to the playoffs. Like we know what happens when Josh

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Giddy gets to the play Granted it's only been twice now,

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but it's not like was it twice? Was it only

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just once? No, they've been there twice. Right.

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Speaker 2: The point is we know because like smart teams guard

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him a certain way, and like, I gyeah, okay, if

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if the Bulls like win their playing games, because Josh

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Giddy is like nine for fourteen from three in both

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of them because he's getting ignored and he just beats

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that strategy, all right, great, I'm just like, I don't

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think that's the way you're gonna win series. I don't

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think that's the way you're gonna build like a great offense.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It's just yeah, that's probably enough on Giddy. We're pretty

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negative on him.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it was just once because they made the

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playoffs this year, as they lost in the play in

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the previous year and sub twenty minutes per game. Next

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up on the board, Quentin Grimes. Grant, who I know

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you have questions for me. I'm just gonna open this

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with a question for you. Yeah, should he be well? Okay, One,

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he basically has to play the rest of the way

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to qualify for awards because you can only have a

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certain amount of games as part of your sixty five

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under twenty minutes, and he had a bunch of under

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twenty minute The rules need to change, by.

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Speaker 3: The way, they're so stupid.

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Speaker 2: Every second I learn more about them, that's they're increasingly stupid.

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Speaker 1: So I think he needs to basically play because I

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was thinking in my head, if the Sixers really want

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to juice their tank, let him get to sixty five

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games and then you shut him down because he'll still

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have qualified for Most Improved Player. But it's one his

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case is predominantly made the second half of the season,

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so like to shut him down? Does it at the service?

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But also he just has too many games if you

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leave it like that under twenty minutes. So if he's eligible,

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do you think that he's a viable Most Improved Player candidate?

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Or did he not do enough in Dallas because it

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is encompassing the whole season, or do you look at

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it and say, well, shit, the stuff he's doing in

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Philly for this half year, like that matters more than

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any other leaps that we've seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's weird for a couple reasons.

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Speaker 2: One is like, most improved is usually not like we've

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00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,400
talked about how hazy the criteria.

477
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 3: For that are.

478
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,319
Speaker 2: It's usually not like within the course of the season,

479
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,079
like who's improved the most, it's like versus last year.

480
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,119
So it's like we're really talking about, like you said,

481
00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:00,720
the post All Star break sixers port of his season.

482
00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:03,279
Just yeah, like the improvement over the first half is nuts,

483
00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:05,160
which is so I don't know what to do with

484
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,160
that with like an in season improvement. And two, this

485
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,599
is the core question for him, is like is this.

486
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 3: Is this actually just.

487
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: Him playing more and playing in environments where there are

488
00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:19,960
no stakes, like you know what I mean. That's what

489
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,920
we're here to talk about, is like how much stock

490
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,920
do we put in this? Because you would say, if

491
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,920
you're making the most improved case for him, which I

492
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,559
think you could, you'd say, like what he's doing.

493
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: Is very different.

494
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: It's not like he's just shooting more of the same

495
00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:36,359
kinds of shots or just like playing forty minutes in

496
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,799
this role that he used to play twenty five. It's

497
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,559
just like the self creation. This is where I was

498
00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:45,680
gonna ask you, the self creation feels pretty new to me.

499
00:21:46,039 --> 00:21:49,640
Like the amount of on ball stuff he's doing was

500
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,359
was certainly not happening like say in Dallas or Detroit,

501
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,279
Like was was there any hint at this, like say

502
00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:57,119
with the Knicks, because you've watched the Knicks more than me,

503
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,640
but like, are like, are you as surprise by the

504
00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:03,279
Quentin Grimes on the ball stuff as I am?

505
00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:05,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yes, because there were hints of it

506
00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:08,759
in New York where he would dribble like going downhill

507
00:22:08,839 --> 00:22:11,160
or out of threes and it would actually be infuriating,

508
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,279
and it was. He also had that one complaint where

509
00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,160
it's you know, it's tough not to work on the

510
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,519
ball basically, so you could always sense there was that

511
00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:19,400
part of his game, but it was never anywhere near

512
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,680
this level. And I actually have a stat on that.

513
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,759
And this is, by the way, this is for the

514
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,200
ent So if you break it down to pre deadline

515
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,720
post deadline, or let's say I broke it down pre

516
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,720
being traded to the Sixers, twenty eight point seven percent

517
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,319
of his made baskets went unassisted. That number on the

518
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,880
Sixers is up to fifty one point four percent of

519
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,839
his makes have gone unassisted. However, when you start to

520
00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:43,839
look at the entire season, this is the thing that

521
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,400
made me wonder if he should be featuring more prominently

522
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,680
in that discussion, Over three hundred and forty five players

523
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,400
have played at least five hundred minutes this year. Nobody

524
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,680
has increed preased their self created shot making efficiency in

525
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:02,279
the aggregate a larger share than Quinton Grimes. That's the

526
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:03,160
entire year.

527
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,759
Speaker 2: Well, I have a related when we kind of went

528
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,759
about this the same way, Like I was looking at

529
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,400
assisted twos because I just keep seeing him like get

530
00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:14,119
bucket like inside the arc buckets on his own. So

531
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,599
he was always like a sixty to seventy for five

532
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,359
percent guy, like, which is to say, you know, two

533
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,119
to three out of every four two point shots he

534
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,279
made were assisted, were set up. So that's like for

535
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,160
a guard that's not great, like that's that's a pretty

536
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,640
dependent score. Thirty eight and a half percent of his

537
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,200
twos have been assisted with the Sixers, So it's like

538
00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:38,799
he's just doubled the number of like get your own

539
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,160
buckets that he that he was generally averaging for his career.

540
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,799
So yeah, like same different way to the same point,

541
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,680
Like this is a real thing that he's actually been

542
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,400
good at, and I like, then we're just talking about

543
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,599
sustainability and like really one of the core questions related

544
00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:58,359
to that is like the team dynamic on the Sixers,

545
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,559
Like is there room for this because you're gonna be

546
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,720
built around Maxi and McCain, two smallish guards that you

547
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,680
have to make defensive sort of cover ups for, and

548
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,319
like Grimes is I mean among what he's undersized, Like

549
00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,519
it don't scaling up?

550
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:16,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like defensively he might be fine at his position,

551
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,079
I think, but you don't want him scaling up too much.

552
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:18,640
So what is it?

553
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,079
Speaker 2: Let's let's grant that this is real. I guess that

554
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,039
he he or he's close to this in terms of

555
00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,720
like a self sufficient creator, Like do you think there's

556
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:31,319
actually bandwidth on a healthy I mean there's the if

557
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,480
the healthy Sixers team that we see next year.

558
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: So interestingly enough, I do, because so the Jared McCain

559
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,839
of it all, I guess could complicate it because between

560
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,920
him and Grimes, I haven't seen enough of. Like, Okay,

561
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,759
Quentin Grimes is averaging eight point eight potential assist per

562
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:49,960
game with the Sixers. That's way up above what he

563
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:51,799
was a Dallas, but I haven't seen I've seen some

564
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,079
nice passes from him, and like coming out of the

565
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,559
pick and roll, he's gotten less efficient in Philly because

566
00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:58,759
I think when he really needs to break down and

567
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,480
try to set up everybody else, he's probably overtaxed. But

568
00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:03,559
if you look at what the Sixers are dealing with

569
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,519
Paul George injured and getting older, Joel Embiid, like, you

570
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:10,359
have to figure out a way to conserve him, not

571
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,599
just by load managing his appearances, but load managing him

572
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,880
during games. If you have someone else who can generate

573
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,400
his own shot and at least make the simple passes.

574
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:21,400
That actually I think helps because Joel Embiid and Paul George,

575
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,160
I would say, are two stars where they can scale down.

576
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,759
With Embiid if he's fully healthy, no, you don't want

577
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,599
him to scale down, but if you want him to

578
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,880
move on defense and you just want him to be healthy,

579
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,759
like him doing more pick and pop stuff or pick

580
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:36,920
and roll stuff with Quenton Grimes, rather than having him

581
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,400
create a ton of his own looks or bring the

582
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,119
ball up or attack like from the outside in. And

583
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,839
then we know that Paul George because I think Paul

584
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:45,279
George probably wants to scale.

585
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: Down, like I think everybody wants that.

586
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there is room for it. I

587
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:53,039
just don't know. I would wonder how you figure it

588
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,400
out defensively then, because if embiid is embiid, okay, fine,

589
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,440
But like you traded away Cayleb Martin, you do have

590
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:02,440
Justin Edwards here, like you need another wing defender. I

591
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,680
think if you want to play two of McCain, Grimes

592
00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:07,920
and Maxi basically at all times.

593
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think too, Like the financial component of it,

594
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,200
he's going to be a restricted free agent. What are

595
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000
you willing to pay for a guy that like Grimes?

596
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,960
I guess maybe he starts over McCain, but like, certainly

597
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,640
there's going to be a stagger there between. It's two

598
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,160
of those three guys can be on the floor. I

599
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,480
don't think all three can unless you're really playing against

600
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,359
a small opponent, Like what.

601
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:31,799
Speaker 3: Is what is that worth?

602
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: And then like, if not the Sixers, does he just

603
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,119
go take the money with another team, go to Brooklyn

604
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,039
and be like, now, hey guys, now I average like

605
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:40,519
twenty seven, five and five, it's the new Quentin Grime.

606
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Well, if so, if you're here's it, well, two questions.

607
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,000
Do you think, whether it's the Sixers or another team, like,

608
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,240
he will get at least the non tax Pawerman level,

609
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,839
which is fourteen and change right.

610
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: I would be very surprised if he got less than that.

611
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,799
Speaker 1: Now, if you're the Nets or just a team in

612
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:58,599
a vacuum, would you rather pay him or cam Thomas? Oh?

613
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 2: Great question, because yeah, oh man, is it wrong to

614
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,799
say Grimes?

615
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: I think I might pick Grimes.

616
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: I would pick Grimes. I will say I think where

617
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,920
Cam Thomas really has the edges, like we now have

618
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,559
a larger sample size of him just making ridiculous shots.

619
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,599
Grimes is the better shooter, like like off the ball,

620
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,000
and he's the better defender. I think cam Thomas what's

621
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,680
interesting is he's at this point to me, the better passer.

622
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000
So I think that's why it becomes more of a debate.

623
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,440
I think I'd rather just have the Like it feels

624
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,240
like Cam Thomas. If he isn't essential part of your offense,

625
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,039
there's a chance that he's just not useful, where with

626
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,640
Grimes there's still he could in theory. I guess progress

627
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:40,680
down to being a three and D guy.

628
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: One other thing I wanted to talk about, which is

629
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,079
like there's no right answer, I don't think, but like

630
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:49,400
do you make anything? And maybe we could go through

631
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,240
the reasons he's changed teams, Like do you make anything

632
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,400
of four teams in four years for a guy that's

633
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,559
obviously talented?

634
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: Like does that?

635
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: Like when like leaving the Knicks was just like it

636
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,240
was a money thing. Same thing with Detroit to Dallas.

637
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,440
You know, we all let's let's take we think Hardaway

638
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,920
is better talking from Detroit's perspective, Like.

639
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,079
Speaker 1: So I actually asked someone about the Detroit thing and

640
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,680
the belief there was that his knee apparently was just cooked. Okay,

641
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,319
with New York I think that they I this is

642
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,160
unpopular to say, I think they botched it. They've proven

643
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,000
One of Tom Tibodau's flaws is that he doesn't know

644
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,680
how to develop young talent for the most part, while

645
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,119
trying to pursue wins like Deuce McBride is kind of

646
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,680
an outlier. We even dating back, this is the example.

647
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,880
I always go to, think, we have Jimmy Butler in Chicago,

648
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,400
how long it kind of took him to enter the

649
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,000
main part of the fold. He eventually got there, but

650
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:36,839
it wasn't so the Knicks botched that on my end,

651
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,720
like he had a doubt he was in he was injured,

652
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,359
had a down shooting year, but good teams figure it out,

653
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,279
and like Dallas had kind of figured it out, and

654
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,720
then he apparently wanted no part of Dallas, which I

655
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,240
don't blame him, and so I think it is a

656
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,640
little bit And if you start to hear things about

657
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,079
he actively looked to leave Philly because he didn't want

658
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:56,920
to be with Paul George and Beiden Matt, that's when

659
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,480
you start to okay, the but we he hasn't been

660
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,799
in a situation where I don't think there's at least

661
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:05,160
some type of an explanation as to why from him.

662
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 3: I think I lean that way too.

663
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:09,839
Speaker 2: It is just it's pretty unusual for a guy to

664
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,759
have this many teams before he gets to restricted free agency,

665
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000
and then we're still talking about like, oh my god,

666
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,160
he might clean up and restricted free agency, So that's

667
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,920
like a rare set of circumstances.

668
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: I will say too, the other thing that I this

669
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:25,279
just supports your kind of point about his two pointers

670
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,000
he's shooting, I like, because you're watching him inside the

671
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,240
arc and these aren't always just open paths to the

672
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,559
basket fifty seven percent on nearly ten drives per game

673
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:37,799
in Philly. Among everyone who's had as many drives during

674
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,079
this span, only Deroz and his Zion are also shooting

675
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,000
fifty six percent or better from the floor. So I

676
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,799
think what's also interesting is that he's scoring in all

677
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,440
these kind of different ways that it doesn't that make

678
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:51,200
him in theory, even though a lot of it's happening

679
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,720
on the ball, sholdn't make him more adaptable to a

680
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:56,799
larger ecosystem, because it's not just oh, he's doing all

681
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,799
these like you know, daring do handles into pointers. No,

682
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,480
like he's getting downhill, or he's blowing pass guys whor

683
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,440
we've seen him break down set defenses. So I think

684
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,119
that's why I'm optimistic that if I'm a team that

685
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160
wants to tie up my non like if that's even

686
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,920
a question, but like even if it's like if you're

687
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,680
a team that wants to talk sign and trade or something.

688
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,599
I really believe that Grinds can be a functioning part

689
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,960
of a better team within a larger ecosystem.

690
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I think.

691
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: And by the way, because we again looked up similar things,

692
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,920
he was averaging four drives a game in twenty three

693
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,640
minutes before the break over ten and thirty two after

694
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,000
the So it's like it's not just always added a

695
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:35,880
third more minutes and a third more so, he's like

696
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,480
more than double his drives in like a third more minute.

697
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 3: So I think it comes down to fit for him.

698
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,039
Speaker 2: I don't, so I have fewer questions about like, so

699
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,000
I think realistically he's gonna settle in somewhere between what

700
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:49,759
he's doing now and what he did for most of

701
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,200
his career, like maybe come closer closer to this, Yeah,

702
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,160
hot take, He's he's not that good, and he's wasn't that.

703
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,759
Speaker 3: He was never bad.

704
00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: But it's just like, I don't think he's gonna be

705
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,720
a guy that's regularly getting you four plus on a

706
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,880
decent team. But I do think he can be a

707
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,480
major contributor just in the right right spot.

708
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:06,839
Speaker 3: And the right spot is.

709
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: Like there is a big wing or two that make

710
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,839
it so he doesn't have to guard you know, Jason

711
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:16,400
Tatum or Jalen Brown like that, that kind of that

712
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,640
kind of thing. I feel fine with him on twos

713
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,640
and some ones right like, but I don't know about sizing.

714
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: Up uh final question on him? So what is the

715
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,960
the average annual value or percentage of the cap every

716
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,519
you want to frame it? That would make you? Because

717
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,599
part of this is we're saying that this is not

718
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:32,880
just Quentin Grimes Quitmark is playing at an all star

719
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,079
level right now. We're saying that that's probably not going

720
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,720
to be his new normal. So what's the number that

721
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:40,720
gets you? I don't want to say queezy, but okay,

722
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,279
now I have to think whether I want to pay

723
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:43,039
Quentin Grimes that?

724
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I would would Could we agree? More questions

725
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,480
answered with questions? Can we agree that, like in a vacuum,

726
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:56,960
he's probably a solid to above average starting shooting guard, right.

727
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,759
Speaker 1: I would say, like he's no worse than like a

728
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:03,079
really good first guy off the bench. Okay, feels like

729
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:03,559
his floor.

730
00:32:03,799 --> 00:32:06,359
Speaker 2: So I think by that logic, I start to get

731
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,960
uncomfortable at like anything like twenty five a year I'm like,

732
00:32:11,119 --> 00:32:14,319
I don't know about that, but like he's played better

733
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,279
than that lately, so so like even a twenty five

734
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,759
million a year would be like probably acceptable. I think

735
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,400
anywhere from like the eighteen to twenty two twenty three

736
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,000
million a year with the normal raises I would would

737
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:28,960
not be If he got that, I'd be like, yeah,

738
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,880
I get it, Like that might actually be a bargain.

739
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,279
But you go much beyond that, then I start to

740
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,359
get more nervous about the fit and the just the

741
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,000
size of the sample, Like, we can't just discount that,

742
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,559
so I don't know what about you.

743
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: So I fifteen percent of the salary cap with a

744
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,720
number like that, so that's twenty three and a half

745
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:46,839
million next year.

746
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: We're in the same neighborhood.

747
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: So it's I think once you get there, if you're

748
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,319
going to pay him more, you have to believe that

749
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,599
this is like one of the two or three best

750
00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,880
players on your like can be elevate develop into one

751
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,359
of the two or three best players on you, Like

752
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,960
you have to believe that there's more upside to plumb

753
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,000
than what we've seen right now. I think if you

754
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:07,920
want to go above that number, yeah, that or it's

755
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,000
a wildly short term deal and the nets were like hey,

756
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,119
two for sixty or like two for seventy whatever. Our

757
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440
next player, Grant might be familiar to you. His name

758
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,079
is mos this Moody.

759
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:21,359
Speaker 2: I will note that you suggested Moody for me. I

760
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,680
think so because there's gonna be another Warriors player here too. Uh,

761
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,599
We're going like this is a little smaller scale because

762
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,960
Moody is has developed into I think over the I mean,

763
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,680
he's been pretty close to this all year, but now

764
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,680
that he's finally playing pretty regularly getting some starts, looks

765
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,799
to me like a legitimate three and D wing that

766
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:47,559
I think he's averaging under just barely under ten points

767
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,400
a game on the season, like after the break, it's twelve,

768
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:54,720
you know, three boards, couple assists sixty three percent true shooting,

769
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,200
super low usage fifteen percent. So like, he's not someone

770
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,559
that is creating his own shots. He's not someone that is,

771
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,400
you know, drawing a bunch of fouls. He is very

772
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,599
much a dependent scorer and shooter, but is a good

773
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,280
three point shooter. I think like he really is someone

774
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,480
I think could settle in for his career and like

775
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:18,559
the fort right around forty percent. He's he's under that now,

776
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,360
you know, thirty eight thirty nine has been kind of

777
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:21,400
where he's hovered for the year.

778
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,679
Speaker 3: I think that's real.

779
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,519
Speaker 2: He's not someone that's creating his own threes. He's gonna

780
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,079
make the open ones, good cutter, good defender, good length,

781
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,760
just like has become what everybody sort of thought he was.

782
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,960
I think, just maybe everybody at Steve Kerr was the

783
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:40,320
last to really finally accept it. It's just like a

784
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,119
good three and D wing that you can start on

785
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,519
like a playoff team. So it really has just been

786
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:51,599
about the volume, I think because his impact on winning

787
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:56,000
I think has been pretty though inconsistent, and maybe that's

788
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:58,159
not his fault that it was inconsistent because his playing

789
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,159
time was inconsistent. I think he's just a reliable, like

790
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,280
good starter now that there's not a lot of upside.

791
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,320
I don't think like this is about what he's gonna be,

792
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,440
but it's pretty good, So I do.

793
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:09,559
Speaker 3: I do buy.

794
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,199
Speaker 2: Him as like a plus starter that fits in on

795
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,280
a lot, Like he might be someone that like, when

796
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,360
you start, who's the three and D guy that everyone

797
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,519
should trade for? Who's the three and D free agent

798
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,000
in a couple of years. Well, we'll talk about.

799
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: His extension three and thirty nine. Doesn't that look like gold?

800
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: It's a heist, Yeah, it's a heist. Do you can

801
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,360
pay that guy twenty five for that player type?

802
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: And he's making less than Patrick Williams, Like, let's just.

803
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and honestly, like Andrew Wiggins, moving on now,

804
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,719
Jimmy Butler came aboard, But like Andrew, he's doing a

805
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,199
lot of what Andrew Wiggins did more efficiently. Not he's

806
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,440
not the volume score Wiggins was. He's not gonna go

807
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,719
get you the like pull up two with two seconds

808
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,119
on the shot clock that Wiggins could occasionally. I don't

809
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,159
know how valuable that shot is, honestly, but like he's

810
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:58,039
stepped into that role and certainly, like value wise, he's

811
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,400
more valuable dollar for dollars to production than Wiggins was,

812
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,199
which is like Wiggins was an All Star one time.

813
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,519
Speaker 3: That's like a big step.

814
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,159
Speaker 1: I've been most impressed where it feels like they haven't

815
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:11,559
missed a beat defensively with him, because that was always

816
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,760
kind of my bigger question for Moses Moody was can

817
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,840
he's like if he's gonna handle the assignments that he's

818
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,159
now been handling, even with Jimmy Butler there because Andrew

819
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,079
Wiggins is gone. What does that look like? Defensively? I

820
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,440
think he's looked really really good. Yeah, like there's just

821
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:27,360
like he looks just gritty and kind of locked in.

822
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,920
Doesn't really feel like he's ever getting burned, whether it's

823
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,760
on or off the ball. And they look they have Draymond.

824
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,400
They have a good infrastructure around him right now. But

825
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,760
now if you can throw that in with like some

826
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,719
level of offensive consistency that we've seen from him, I

827
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,920
will also say this might be smaller scale, but it's

828
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:44,320
it's important because it's on a team that all of

829
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,159
a sudden has championship aspirations. And it's just it's an

830
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,960
interesting situation because what you and I have said this

831
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:54,039
is repeating ourselves. Whatever he's played or strung together minutes,

832
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,840
even when they're not the best, you never came away thinking, oh,

833
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,599
he doesn't belong in an NBA rotation. It just so

834
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,519
see for some reason in Golden State, he's never had

835
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,320
that opportunity. And the final thing, just because I don't

836
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,199
have a ton to add to what you did, the

837
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,199
three point volume I think has been really big for

838
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,000
their offense too. Where he's at like over this stretch

839
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,400
since February first, think he's at like seven plus attempts

840
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,280
per thirty six minutes or whatever, at least close to that.

841
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,719
You might even want that to be higher. But there

842
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,760
does seem to be more decision like quicker decision making

843
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,840
from him, where it's even when he's not shooting, he's

844
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,519
getting rid of the ball quicker.

845
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,159
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right.

846
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 2: And you can look point at the touch time before

847
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,760
the All Star break two point two seconds per touch

848
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,119
and one and a half dribbles. It's down in a

849
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,760
bigger role now to two point oh seven just you know,

850
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,360
not a huge change and one point three four dribbles

851
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,239
per touch. So he's making decisions more quickly to your point,

852
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,559
and I one hundred percent agree that as a shooter,

853
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:48,320
like one of the hardest things to do on the

854
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Curry Draymond Warriors is to like come in and feel

855
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,480
like it's okay to shoot like that.

856
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: You see guys constantly. Moody really fell victim to this.

857
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 2: The next Warriors guy we're going to talk about did

858
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,280
not have an issue with this, but like you can

859
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,599
see guys thinking like should I shoot this because if

860
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,719
we wait three more seconds and make one more pass,

861
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,599
steph might spring open, and like everyone knows, that's a

862
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,119
better shot. Moody really was hesitant pretty frequently, and he

863
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,000
is letting it fly more aggressively without like with less hesitation.

864
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,519
Now I think he could even scale that up. Like,

865
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,559
no one's mad at Moses Moody taking a like semi

866
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,280
contested three because he has demonstrated he's like a high

867
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,559
thirties three point guy. And and the alternative of him

868
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,840
like upfaking and putting it on the floor, that's a

869
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,239
worse alternative, Like that is a hole still where he

870
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,039
just like he's not someone you want dribbling unless it's

871
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:41,639
like really really like constrained.

872
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,559
Speaker 3: So yeah, I.

873
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,519
Speaker 2: Think I think there's room for improvement, and I think

874
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,679
like mostly it's just three point aggression really from him.

875
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: Uh So, And by the way, that's big, because do

876
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,599
you think we still cut Like is there a I

877
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,039
guess ideally, is there a possibility that he becomes like

878
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,840
the most important player in what we would consider either

879
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,400
the best or finishing line up in a postseason setting.

880
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 3: Well, I would say that there's not because there's three.

881
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,519
Speaker 1: Locks for that right, there's Draymond, Jimmy and Steph.

882
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: Right.

883
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:16,119
Speaker 2: I think what's changed with Moody is and you made

884
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,559
me remember this. What I used to say was, well,

885
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,760
the reason he gets jerked around so much is because like,

886
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,719
well they need quality X and it's like, oh, it's

887
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,599
shooting well, like, well, buddy Heal's on the team, so

888
00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:27,800
he's gonna go in. Or they need like, you know,

889
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,880
versatile defense, like well Kyle Anderson's good at that and like.

890
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,599
Speaker 3: He's gone now.

891
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: Or they need someone to I don't know, guard a

892
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,519
point guard, and it's like, well they got Gary Payton,

893
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,320
Like that guy's as good as it gets on the back.

894
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,119
So like there was always someone that could do the

895
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,920
thing the Warriors needed better than Moody. But now he's

896
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,199
gotten so capable at all those things where it's like,

897
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,920
well he's just totally a balanced two way guy and

898
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,960
so we'll play him over all of those players. So

899
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,800
from that perspective, he gives them like a completeness at

900
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,280
the position that you don't get with Healed, with Peyton,

901
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,480
with like whoever else you want to throw out there.

902
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,360
So so yeah, I mean he's never gonna matter more

903
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,519
than the three guys you mentioned, but like he does

904
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:10,360
provide them with sort of a like just the full

905
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,239
two way profile that they really you know, teams kill

906
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,639
for players like this, where it's just he's not taking

907
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,880
anything off the table on either end. So so yeah,

908
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,920
I think he is becoming hugely important, also.

909
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,039
Speaker 1: Hugely important, maybe the most important player on the Warriors.

910
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,559
Speaker 2: And huge So the thing I said about like hesitanting

911
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:30,719
three point shooting has never applied to quit like he.

912
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,159
So I'm convinced that he got called up from Santa

913
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:40,360
Cruz and was told, if you don't shoot it every

914
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,079
time you touch it, you're getting pulled out of the game,

915
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:43,960
because like that's.

916
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: Why you're here.

917
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: You're not here for anything else. Just be a seven

918
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,039
footer that shoots threes. And he's shooting forty three percent

919
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,119
on nine point three three point attempts per thirty six

920
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:56,760
if you filter out guys who played less than one

921
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,199
hundred minutes, so just like some you know, someone that

922
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,639
came in, played one game, got up like four to

923
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,440
threes in twenty minutes or whatever, like filter those guys out.

924
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:06,679
He has the highest three point percentage of anyone in

925
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,719
the league, averaging over nine attempts per thirty six, Like

926
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,760
he is a legitimate, really really good three point shooter

927
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:17,760
that does not hesitate and understands the assignment. So like

928
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:22,480
Quentin Post has legitimate NBA offensive value and you see it,

929
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,840
like against Toronto he comes in and hits six threes

930
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,119
and like unlocks the offense. Like he just really is

931
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:31,480
a true weapon. He is not good at really anything else,

932
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:33,440
or has not proved to be good at anything else.

933
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,559
So talking from like a buy sell perspective, I buy

934
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,320
that Quinton Post is one of the best three point

935
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,079
shooting bigs in the league and will just be that

936
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,320
for as long as he's in the league. He's he

937
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,840
does get attacked defensively. He's not strong, he moves okay,

938
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,440
like he does look comfortable and like semi agile, and

939
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,159
like he knows what he wants to do on both ends.

940
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,119
It's just like he's a single He's a single skill

941
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,159
guy right now that's extremely.

942
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:03,159
Speaker 3: Valuable in small doses. I don't know if I'd go

943
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:04,880
much beyond that.

944
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,559
Speaker 2: And I think the playoffs are going to be really

945
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,639
interesting because like a guy like that with such a

946
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,199
demonstrated strength and so many demonstrated like weaknesses or like

947
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,719
things to potentially exploit.

948
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:20,039
Speaker 3: Is like, I don't know what happens in a playoff

949
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:20,880
rotation with him.

950
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,519
Speaker 1: How do you go about using him defensively? Because his

951
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,280
actual his RIM protection numbers since February first are pretty

952
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,119
good fifty five point one percent he's allowing is that

953
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,400
about which, by the way, I think is okay. If

954
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,199
this is the case, If you play him next to Draymond,

955
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,519
it streamlines what he's going to be responsible for defensively,

956
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,719
So it comes a lot more about positioning rather than

957
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,239
like anticipation and having to think through all these complicated possessions.

958
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:49,119
Especially you're not gonna have to worry about being the

959
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,599
primary backline communicator if Draymond is on the floor.

960
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's been set up to succeed pretty well.

961
00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:00,800
But for those reasons I think I do. Look, if

962
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,559
you're an opposing playoff team, you're just gonna involve him

963
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:06,719
in as many actions as you possibly can. Like, that's

964
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,840
that's gonna be the the mo you could. I forget

965
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,159
what game it was a couple of games ago. I

966
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,880
think Anthony Slater reported that Steph Curry was talking to

967
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,039
him during a timeout, saying like this has been my

968
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:20,679
whole career. You're gonna be targeted every time you're out there.

969
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,000
You just have to like stay in the fight because

970
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,000
there are stretches where it's it's tough for him and

971
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:29,159
the rim protection numbers. Like he does have stretches where

972
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,079
he'll block two or three shots and it's like, oh, okay,

973
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,280
that's a thing, like he might. I mean he's seven

974
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:40,519
feet tall, but like I think his rookie status, his size,

975
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,519
his like lack of heft, He's gonna be tested constantly.

976
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:46,280
I don't think he's up for it, like at a

977
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,880
high volume kind of kind of clip. So then the

978
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,599
question is just is he bringing enough value on the

979
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,079
other end to like, you know, net out as a

980
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:58,000
positive so far, he has the most interesting thing to

981
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,920
me about him is it despite him being just like

982
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:05,079
lights out, almost eighty percent of his threes have been uncontested,

983
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,320
which is like, how, like how is he not being guarded.

984
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,239
I think it's fascinating to imagine what the offense looks

985
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,079
like when he does get that level of respect if

986
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,480
that happens, Because I don't think it's a successful game

987
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,719
plan to say, let's make Quentin Post beat us from deep,

988
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,159
cause it's like he's going to be eight for twelve

989
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,519
from three, Like that's just he's going to be that

990
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,119
good if you leave him open. So what happens when

991
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,840
you assign a defender to him that has to stay tight?

992
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,280
Like what kind of space does that open up for

993
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,039
Jimmy Butler in the lane or for Steph and Draymond

994
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,599
to play pick and roll? Like there really could be

995
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,920
gains if Post does eventually get guarded, which like it's

996
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,000
nuts to me that he hasn't been so far.

997
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: Well we didn't. You kind of just describe the reason

998
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,800
why he hasn't been though, is because look at what

999
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,639
that would then open up. Maybe when you have Jimmy

1000
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:57,920
Butler now too on this team, where okay, think about

1001
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,480
the rim pressure and the foul drawing, just live with

1002
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,119
or maybe it is a reputation thing or lack thereof

1003
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:05,480
of or he's shooting this from three, but it at

1004
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,039
the end of the day, it's Quenton Post, it's not Yeah,

1005
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,639
so they're just will live with him going that. We

1006
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,519
kind of just talked about this with Josh Getty, except

1007
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,159
there's a difference between going, oh, he's four of seven

1008
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,880
versus eight of twelve, so like the volume will and

1009
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,639
he's also it's at a position where it's more nominalists

1010
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,280
where hitting threes.

1011
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,199
Speaker 3: Ooh, right, is he supposed to think?

1012
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,559
Speaker 2: I think, one hang up, we've probably spent too much

1013
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:30,480
time on him, but he's just he's an interesting player.

1014
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,119
One hang up is like, I'm not sure he's proved

1015
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,480
outside of a few isolated instances that a defense needs

1016
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:40,559
to put a big on him. I think, you you know,

1017
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,239
it's the kind of thing where it's like, let's put

1018
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,280
a guard on him and then dare the warriors to like, well,

1019
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,320
they switched, so let's let's see if he can post

1020
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,559
up this like six or five guy, because that's a

1021
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:52,920
win for the defense if you're suddenly running your offense

1022
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,679
through a Quinton post like low block touch, like that's

1023
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,199
that's what you want as a defense. So I think,

1024
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,760
like there are gonna be some give and takes and

1025
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,280
some like you know, strategy and then counter strategy, assuming

1026
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,559
he sees any playoff minutes of like, okay, we put

1027
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:11,199
our shooting guard on him, what are you gonna do?

1028
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,440
You know, maybe it's just shoot over him. But it's

1029
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,199
also like it's goading, like suboptimal offense out of the Warriors.

1030
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: I think potentially this last part of here analysis really

1031
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:23,119
got the juices in one of my dog's blood flowing.

1032
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,159
He's like in that. You started like going into like

1033
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,280
the minutia of the Quinton post effect and Wade is

1034
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,159
he's loving it in the back. I just took a

1035
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:31,719
picture of him. He gave a big stretch.

1036
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,559
Speaker 3: He's ready and he understands it.

1037
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Our next player is Zeke Naji, who this is? It's

1038
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,360
not playing ya, what's that?

1039
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 3: He's a pariah?

1040
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: He's a Yeah, has not played so much the past

1041
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,440
two games, and we've entered like more of the like

1042
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:50,519
we were talking about, you know, smaller scale type of breakouts.

1043
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,119
We've entered that portion of the podcast. The fact that

1044
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:54,559
he's playing it all though, I think it's been a

1045
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:57,079
big deal. The way they've used him defensively feels a

1046
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,480
lot more versatile than a year's past, where like, okay,

1047
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,079
we've seen him dig into some big guys. He's actually

1048
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,199
done pretty well as a rim protector this year, but

1049
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,679
a lot of stuff he's doing is a helper and

1050
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,960
we've seen him more on the perimeter and I think

1051
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,280
that's where he probably gives them their most value right now.

1052
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,639
He's because I do believe he can be an excellent

1053
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,840
help defender and he's gone up against Yeah, like Zion

1054
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,719
kind of ate him up at points, but he when

1055
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,199
they were playing the Magic, he spent a lot of

1056
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,559
time on Palo Bancaro. Orlando was a team average point

1057
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:26,960
six to four points per possession. I know it's the Magic,

1058
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,480
but like on possessions where he was guarding ben Caro,

1059
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,480
so I think that that's like really good. We've also

1060
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,599
seen him give good spot possessions against if he switched

1061
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:37,880
on to an SGA or winds up on SGA or

1062
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,800
even a J dub. That defensive value I think is

1063
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,519
really big for a Nuggets team, Like you don't really

1064
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:45,480
know how to feel about their defense just yet. Like, Okay,

1065
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,840
Aaron Gordon's missed a bunch of time this year, but

1066
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,960
if you have Zeke Nauji defending the way that we've

1067
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,079
seen him at least like over the past month and

1068
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:56,159
a half or so for the most part, and then

1069
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,559
with an Aaron Gordon and then being able to like

1070
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,400
move the like Christian Brown on this team and Peyton Watson,

1071
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,519
I think it does some of the problem you do

1072
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:05,920
run into it offensively. With him, I don't view him

1073
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,719
as like a great screener. He will give some second

1074
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,840
efforts on the glass, it's the three point shooting. He's

1075
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,519
over forty percent on catch and shoot threes during this stretch.

1076
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,000
He just doesn't take a ton of them, and he's

1077
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,480
shooting under forty nine percent on layups. And so when

1078
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:22,159
you're not gonna be like kind of the best finisher

1079
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,159
all the time and then you're not the best screener,

1080
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:29,000
that utility gets like can be awkward. And I don't

1081
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,960
know how his value is going to hold to them

1082
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,440
in the playoffs, because I do think they could still

1083
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,599
use some secondary front. Even if you think Aaron Gorn

1084
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:38,960
is going to soak up all the backup center minutes

1085
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,039
like okay, great, there could still be like a little

1086
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:44,159
bit of a vacuum there for Zeke Naji to soak

1087
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,360
up important minutes. I think he's still going to have

1088
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,440
to continue to show more offensively for the most like,

1089
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:51,960
at least, I think you could say this about a

1090
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,079
lot of players in the Nuggets. I'd probably want him

1091
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,760
getting up more threes, like on a permanent basis, would

1092
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,559
be because the way that again, that he's buying large defended.

1093
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,760
I think you can argue that there will be certain

1094
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,639
matchups where it's all right, like he might make more sense.

1095
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,519
He definitely could make more sense for them than Peyton

1096
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:09,760
Watson in certain matchups, just if Peyton Watson's going to

1097
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,840
be all over the place offensively at points. So I

1098
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,440
just I haven't it's a pin in what he's doing

1099
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,559
because we everyone had him written off as one of

1100
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:19,480
the worst contracts in the league. What are the Nuggets doing?

1101
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:22,440
And now he's provided some utility? But is it are

1102
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,280
the Nuggets viewing it through the lens of oh, it's

1103
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:24,960
already fading.

1104
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. I was just looking up as

1105
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:27,599
you're talking.

1106
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:30,679
Speaker 2: It's like I was gonna frame my take on like

1107
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,800
how old is he like, because if he's twenty two,

1108
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,920
he's twenty four, so it's like at twenty four, you're

1109
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:40,920
pretty close to what you're gonna be. So, but the

1110
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,199
issue I want to ask you, like, is it possible

1111
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,719
that I know, I mean, the numbers have been what

1112
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,719
they are, so like you can't say that he's always

1113
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,199
never been given a chance, Like his production just hasn't

1114
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,199
been like worthy of a bigger role.

1115
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,559
Speaker 3: But do you think there's any like, is there.

1116
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: A possibility that, like, man, you're playing behind Jokic essentially,

1117
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,360
and it's just like the Nuggets are never gonna like

1118
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:06,119
really give you like a lot of rope, you know,

1119
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,039
in that roles because it's like, well, we want him

1120
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:09,400
out there, we want you'll catch out there as much

1121
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,559
as possible, and Yoku just been super durable. Is there

1122
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,679
any part of his like disappointing play to this point

1123
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,840
because he is like shooting forty seven percent from three,

1124
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,559
he's getting to the line more after the break. All

1125
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:24,039
this stuff looks encouraging. Could it just be like something

1126
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,960
about like there's just never been like like a sustained,

1127
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,760
extended opportunity for him, or do you feel like what

1128
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,239
he's doing now is like, oh no, he's only just

1129
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,360
now playing well enough to justify like, you know, more opportunities.

1130
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: I think I think it's more so the latter I've

1131
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,239
seen a lot of people blame Michael Malone that he

1132
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,480
hasn't gotten here sooner. Maybe that maybe that comes down

1133
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,480
to the mode of deployment, because he's not like when

1134
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,400
you kind of he's still contesting like a pretty fair

1135
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,800
weather percentage shots at the rim when he's on the court,

1136
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,360
but they're not asking him to be the traditional big

1137
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,719
man all the time. And I think that's where the

1138
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,960
approach was more so odd defensively for him, because he's

1139
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:03,920
always been I'm trying to think of, like what's a

1140
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,000
good analog, but where we look at them and it's

1141
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,239
like Grant Williams, for example, has always been better as

1142
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,719
like this switch big man or someone who might defend

1143
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,000
like the small and even he doesn't move his feet

1144
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,719
like znag So it's a bad example. But it's like

1145
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,760
you look at guys and you think, oh, they can

1146
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,679
immediately play the pure five, and I just don't think

1147
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,440
that was ever supposed to be his role. But what

1148
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,719
were the Nuggets supposed to do? They just lean more

1149
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,280
on DeAndre Jordan, like.

1150
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,119
Speaker 2: It probably wouldn't be on a team if not for

1151
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,320
like he's just a good locker room guy for this team.

1152
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,599
Speaker 1: So I I there's probably like z Ignogi I don't

1153
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:38,199
think is shown enough. But like in the minutes that

1154
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,519
you watched him, it was like he wasn't hitting threes

1155
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,960
like we've seen those percentages be all over the place,

1156
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,000
So that would have been a way for him to

1157
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,159
provide value as well. So I think I think what

1158
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,119
is happening now is important because it provides a road

1159
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:53,880
map to what he can be. I just don't know.

1160
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,800
And now there's almost a there's proof of concept, and

1161
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,760
I wonder, now is that more value to the Nuggets

1162
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,800
rotation or is it more valuable for when they're looking

1163
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,119
to move him over the offseason.

1164
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, hard to say.

1165
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,079
Speaker 2: I do think, like, I don't know how well he

1166
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,639
would have to play to take backup center minutes from

1167
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,679
Aaron Gordon in the playoffs, Like we may just not

1168
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,320
see a whole lot of nause once once we get

1169
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,719
to you know, elimination time, but really we will. I

1170
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,119
think him and Gordon together is not like the worst idea.

1171
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: I actually like I like that in theory, like space

1172
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,000
the hell out of your offense during those non yokic minutes.

1173
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,559
And we're also talking about how many minutes per game

1174
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,360
in the playoffs Grant eight at most? Maybe Yeah, So

1175
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,480
would you buy or sell this though? Uh?

1176
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: I mean I'm buying, Like I'm buying that somewhere in

1177
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,119
there there's like this version of nause or it's like

1178
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:47,159
a slightly better one, which I didn't think before.

1179
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 3: I thought I was kind of sold on, like that

1180
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,559
was just it's not gonna happen for him.

1181
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: We maybe it's a better frame it whose quote unquote

1182
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,719
many breakout is more important his or just gentent pickets

1183
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,800
who injuries kind of paved the way for him to

1184
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,880
get at some run And I think, look, he's an

1185
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,920
assistant turnover ratio of four since February first, he has

1186
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,199
contrary to what like he's done in the past, he's

1187
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:12,039
shooting over thirty nine percent from three during this stretch.

1188
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,519
I think the things the two things that have impressed

1189
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,480
me the most with him, though he is like if

1190
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:20,719
you get screened by Jalen Pickett, like you're there's gonna

1191
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,079
be a mark left, and he's he does look strong,

1192
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,519
but like you don't see it, but like it's increasingly

1193
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,639
becoming clear if you get screened by Jailen Pickett, oh shit,

1194
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,119
that's gonna hurt. And like he's been and I think

1195
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,559
this is probably an extension of that. He's just grittier

1196
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:35,079
on defense than I ever thought that he was gonna be.

1197
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,840
And so I don't look at him and think that

1198
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,800
he could be like a capslock game manager for them,

1199
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:43,320
but sort of is a nice change of pace option

1200
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,320
if you don't want to operate at full throttle with

1201
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,360
the Russell Westbrook and maybe you're looking for someone who

1202
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,480
can like cause Russ is gonna be better with the

1203
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,480
off ball movement, but if you want someone as kind

1204
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,559
of like, oh, if he's gonna screen or maybe do

1205
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:56,320
you trust him at points to hit the wide open

1206
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,199
threes more than Russell Westbrook. I don't know. This is

1207
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,920
just another thing I've a pinion to where, Okay, like

1208
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:03,159
when it matters, I don't know how much these two

1209
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:05,719
would play in the playoffs. I do think if I

1210
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,320
had to pick that the stuff Nausey has shown, and

1211
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,519
maybe again I'm overstating, like a couple of weeks ago,

1212
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,599
I think the stuff that Nausey is shown is gonna

1213
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:16,559
end up being of more use to the Nuggets than

1214
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:17,920
having Jaye and pick it.

1215
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: I think I agree, even though like just kind of

1216
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,079
made the case of like Nausey's minutes potentially shrinking for me,

1217
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,079
like the two point shooting is not good enough for

1218
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:31,519
even after the break really for a I guess he's

1219
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,400
like he's a two mainly right, Like I don't know

1220
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,000
how much time has he spent on the ball if

1221
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,000
you break it down play by play, I mean he

1222
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,639
gets some Well, no, he's been mostly a point.

1223
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,599
Speaker 3: Guard this year. Is where they listened to.

1224
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:42,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, so, it's just like and

1225
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,119
he's pretty good at maintaining his dribble. Yeah, so I

1226
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:46,519
think I don't look at him and say, oh, that's

1227
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:48,679
a great passer, but it's someone who I think has

1228
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,000
protected the ball and like will at least maintain his

1229
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:52,519
dribble until maybe something opens up.

1230
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how vaud he's So, he's an interesting player.

1231
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,960
I haven't really thought about Gleen pick it that much.

1232
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:00,440
Like how much does the shooting matter? Cause the three

1233
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,800
point shooting is you know, he was solid last year,

1234
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,320
he's over forty percent this year?

1235
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: Is that?

1236
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: Is that the carrying skill or at least as far

1237
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,480
as the Nuggets are concerned, And like, will we play

1238
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:09,880
this guy?

1239
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it that? Or is it?

1240
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:11,559
Speaker 3: Like?

1241
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: No, he needs to actually be on the ball, like

1242
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,440
doing stuff with backups, Like what cause if you're playing

1243
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,800
with Jokic, you're not on the ball. Like again, certainly

1244
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,880
if Murray's out there too, so you're really just reduced

1245
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,760
to being a spot shooter that you need to defend

1246
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,039
and set screens and stuff like.

1247
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,159
Speaker 1: I think if you want him to be a part

1248
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,960
of quote unquote some core lineups, it would be the shooting,

1249
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:34,960
just because I think, I don't think you're ever gonna

1250
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,360
rep because Russell Westbrook is more explosive. You're not gonna

1251
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,719
replicate what he can do away from the ball. And

1252
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,880
then if the shoot, and what's the way to earn

1253
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,280
minutes on this team would be if the Nuggets don't

1254
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,480
feel great about because teams are just leaving Russell Westbrook

1255
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:49,719
open from three and they're the Nuggets of Like, you're

1256
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,199
gonna have to live with that and hope he makes them.

1257
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,719
If JA don't pick at a shooting thirty nine plus

1258
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,760
percent on five plus attempts per thirty six minutes or something,

1259
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,440
maybe that gets you thinking and then he gives you

1260
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,920
like if you're looking to break down a defense with

1261
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,159
your half court offense, Russell Westbrook is definitely the better

1262
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,840
individual score. But I wonder if it's part of like

1263
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,639
you're looking to table set the rest of the unit,

1264
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,320
you might prefer Jael and Pickets like patience there or

1265
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,039
I don't know, it's that that's why it's so tough

1266
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:18,400
to like kind of figure out, well, okay, what does

1267
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,400
this mean if you're trying to expand upon his role?

1268
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a victim of like it's you know, there

1269
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,880
are costs to playing with like a great, a truly

1270
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,719
great like on ball guy like Jokic, which is that like,

1271
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:33,199
I guess you better get good at cutting and spot

1272
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,320
like non on ball stuff because you're just never gonna

1273
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:36,559
have it.

1274
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:42,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think he's been. He's been. So does

1275
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,159
does Julian Strawther like have a place going for?

1276
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: Like?

1277
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:47,559
Speaker 3: I mean, clearly he does. He's played like a fair amount,

1278
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:49,400
but like, I don't know how many of this type

1279
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:50,079
of guy do you need?

1280
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: I honestly, but it's kind of just like trying to

1281
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,119
figure out who I guess, like are there eighth or

1282
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:57,840
ninth guys in the rotation at this point is where

1283
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,840
it gets weird. And also a lot of this stuff

1284
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,840
is it could be the byproduct of who's like playing

1285
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,920
and not playing. So like you see Jalen Pickets minutes,

1286
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,559
like when you have Jamal Murray and Russell Westbrook available,

1287
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,840
they're not gonna he's not playing as many minutes we

1288
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,639
saw Peyton Watson come back and like thee Nausey's minutes,

1289
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,159
like those are gonna be more up debates. So I

1290
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:17,280
think Julian Strowther in theory is the guy who could

1291
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,559
actually still play because of the three point volume. He's

1292
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,760
he's not like forward size like Nausey, but he's not

1293
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,280
like he's he's bigger than Jalen Pickett. But I think

1294
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,320
both of these guys are are better. I guess their

1295
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,079
peaks have impressed me more than Julian Strother's peaks this season,

1296
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:34,599
if that makes any sense. I don't know how good

1297
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:35,280
you feel about that.

1298
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,079
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is the Nuggets were smart to

1299
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,920
just let CACP and Bruce Brown go and just get

1300
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,400
cheaper even though they're a contender, because they knew, they

1301
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,440
knew they had the talent pipeline to replace them.

1302
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: In their defense, they couldn't keep Bruce Brown. I know

1303
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,239
the stuff is still, I maintained. I went on a

1304
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,280
Nuggets podcast a couple of weeks ago, and a lot

1305
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,280
of the listeners were looking for mea culpa for me

1306
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,400
about things I said about Calvin Booth. I was like, well,

1307
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,360
it's not coming. I think case, people have just had

1308
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:03,960
a better season when you're looking at the quality of

1309
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,599
shots he's getting in Orlando, in Denver, and he's still

1310
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:10,039
really good defensively. That being said, Calvin Booth has been

1311
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:13,239
vindicated to some extent because as a picket is gotten

1312
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,400
by the way, I don't think Pickett was ever supposed

1313
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,360
to be like a real factor. So that guy was that, Yeah,

1314
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:22,719
it was Zeke naj was the one. And that's like,

1315
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,360
that's not a Calvin Booth draft pick So like that's fair.

1316
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,519
But they've been like the Nuggets waiting or holding on

1317
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:33,079
to these guys and you wouldn't have been able to

1318
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,960
they were trying to move Nase. So that was that say,

1319
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,519
but like giving these guys minutes, I think is that

1320
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,039
we've shown, oh there's pathways to utilities. And I think,

1321
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,280
if anything, if I had to guess, I don't really

1322
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,639
know how to feel about you olen picket because he

1323
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:46,199
makes no money. Zeke Naji's development is bigger because I

1324
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,760
think it makes him easier to move if nothing else,

1325
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,679
if the Nuggets decide that hey, he's most valuable to

1326
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,199
us as cutting our tax bill or using his matching

1327
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,480
salary for someone else.

1328
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 3: All right, Do you have anybody else or was that

1329
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,480
the end of the list.

1330
00:58:58,599 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: We have a couple more players, So we have Isaiah

1331
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:04,840
Collier and you know what, let's spoil it here. We

1332
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,159
have three jazz players coming up Grant, so we should

1333
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,760
ask about which one is kind of impress you the most.

1334
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,719
I know you have some strong feelings about Collier. I

1335
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,440
will say before I throw it to you, his swing

1336
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:18,159
skill is going to just be his efficiency from the floor.

1337
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:21,199
It is all over the place. He's not there defensively yet,

1338
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,000
but I think you look at him and you can

1339
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:25,480
kind of see like the tenacity in the level. Oh

1340
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:28,119
you could see him being at least for his position.

1341
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,559
That's not going to be like he'll be a quality defender.

1342
00:59:31,039 --> 00:59:33,599
I will say, it would not shock me. This is

1343
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,039
what I want to drive home. With Isaiah Collier. We

1344
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:38,119
fast forward like three years. If you told me he

1345
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,119
was one of like the three to eight best passers

1346
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:44,880
in the NBA, I'd look at you and say, yeah, okay,

1347
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:48,280
I go. He has thrown some just like ridiculous when

1348
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,480
he gets going downhill, and just like the things he

1349
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:53,400
can see with his live dribble, he is he is

1350
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:53,960
a heart.

1351
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,039
Speaker 2: Attack he's a I was gonna say, like, if you

1352
00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:59,440
told me Isaiah Collier led the league in assists in

1353
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:01,159
three years, be like, yeah, all right, I.

1354
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Guess Like was it like the line enough? I guess that.

1355
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: No, It's just he is such an unusual player though,

1356
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,760
right Like I was trying to think of comps for him,

1357
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,599
Like one, the shooting is like, well, I don't know,

1358
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,239
like what you do with that, so just just to

1359
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,519
put a finer point on it. Since the All Star Break,

1360
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:20,679
which has been like he's been better twenty nine percent

1361
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,840
from three forty three percent overall. That's up from forty

1362
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,280
one percent and twenty three percent before the break, Like

1363
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,679
it's it's a giant like blinking be like, you can't

1364
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,199
be a good NBA guard if that's how you shoot,

1365
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,440
Like just we're done, So like that has to get better.

1366
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,519
But the combination with what's set that aside, Like who's

1367
01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:44,480
the comp for this guy? Like if it's just if

1368
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,599
he's an average shooter, I still don't know because like

1369
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:49,360
the the frame is so unusual for a point, like

1370
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:49,880
he's just like.

1371
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 3: A fire hydrant. And then Kyle Lowry is he seems

1372
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,440
bigger than Lowry is. Do I have that wrong, Like

1373
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:58,599
he just what is Collier? He's definitely I don't know.

1374
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:02,239
Speaker 2: Maybe that's well, but Lowry was well, he wasn't always

1375
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,960
a great shooter. And I don't know that Lowry was

1376
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,599
this good a passer either, to be.

1377
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: Honest, like no, he was, he never he's Yeah, a

1378
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,519
Collier is substantially six three.

1379
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,679
Speaker 2: That's a and it's and his game is like downhill

1380
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,800
like bull into the lane, make the right pass, like

1381
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,360
that's I don't know who that is.

1382
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: That's a weird Julius Randall and Russell Westbrook.

1383
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,559
Speaker 3: Smaller Julius Randall. That's interesting.

1384
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: I like that.

1385
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: So that's where I I hesitate to like buy into

1386
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,320
all the positives of which he's got some because it's

1387
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,400
like I don't know what the precedent is for a

1388
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,840
player like this having like real success, but like sometimes

1389
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,639
that's a good thing. Sometimes it's like, well that means

1390
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:41,400
there's no answer for this guy because he's like a

1391
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:45,039
unique combination of skills. But he I don't know what

1392
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,360
to project for him other than to say, like you

1393
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:50,239
led with like if he can't shoot it better, then

1394
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:52,239
I don't know like what this is.

1395
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,679
Speaker 3: But if he can shoot it like Okay, then then

1396
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:56,760
the downhill.

1397
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: Stuff gets even nastier because if as it is, he's

1398
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,679
getting into the lane with guys like just daring him

1399
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:03,400
to drive and he still makes it happen.

1400
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, look, we've seen there's probably been

1401
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:09,239
like at least small like he's shooting seventy point five

1402
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:12,039
percent in the restricted area since February. First. I think

1403
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,960
that's so if he can be like a consistently strong finisher,

1404
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,079
he's going to get to the basket. And so I

1405
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,760
might be higher on his floor. Then it seems like

1406
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,400
you are might it might be more dependent on the

1407
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,719
personnel around him at that point, but as you said,

1408
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,280
like with defense is keying in on him or like

1409
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,079
he's just like bowling a China shot, like busting through

1410
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,400
these barriers on the defensive end. And there's also I

1411
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,920
think what's in string. There's like there's directionality to his

1412
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,880
handle too, like it doesn't have straight b lines all

1413
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,280
the time. So I think what they've discovered with him

1414
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,559
as a playmaker, and I think the flashes he has

1415
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:44,519
shown as a finisher at least give but it's going

1416
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,960
to be like can he score from another level because

1417
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,480
if he can't I to again, I don't know what

1418
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,360
who would be the comp then at.

1419
01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: That point, Yeah, I don't know that. I just looking

1420
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,119
at the shot profile too, like.

1421
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: Over a third of his shots are from the in

1422
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,760
that three to ten foot range engine he's like at

1423
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,960
forty forty four percent, which is actually like I'm surprised

1424
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:04,519
it's that high.

1425
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: I haven't watch's.

1426
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: Actually I would not have guessed it was that high.

1427
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, I know I would have said lower.

1428
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:11,079
Speaker 2: But that's way too many shots from that, like not

1429
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:13,559
quite all the way to the rim range for someone

1430
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:15,760
That's just like I don't think you want to live

1431
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:16,119
that way.

1432
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:17,199
Speaker 3: That's that you can't have.

1433
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,639
Speaker 2: The three to ten footers be your your bread and butter.

1434
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:22,199
So but then it's like, well, i'd like him to

1435
01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:24,639
shoot more replace those with threes that he's shooting under

1436
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:27,880
thirty percent, And I don't know, like it Yeah, I'm not,

1437
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:32,280
I'm not. I don't know out or pessimistic by any stretch.

1438
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,280
It's just like there's just a threshold factor of like

1439
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:40,960
can he be remotely decent as a shooter outside the

1440
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:43,480
restricted area? And I have I don't know, like I

1441
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:44,119
don't know yet.

1442
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: Next up from the Jazz is Kyle phil Powski. We

1443
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:48,880
talked a little bit about him because he made both

1444
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,800
of us had him on second team All Rookie right

1445
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,079
at the three quarter mark. Uh. I can't say enough

1446
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:57,559
good things about him offensively. I know the shooting numbers

1447
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,079
were kind of if he coming out of college, but

1448
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,079
I think you always I looked at from more. I

1449
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:04,320
did the minimal scouting of him. It's felt like, okay,

1450
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,199
like he will become a good shooter. He's still ironically

1451
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:08,599
shooting sixty five percent from the foul lines in February first,

1452
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:11,840
which is weird. Weird because he's shooting a trillion percent

1453
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,480
from three during that span. It's actually forty seven point

1454
01:04:14,519 --> 01:04:16,679
one percent. I think what's impressed me the most and

1455
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,440
like the scalability of a shooting for sure. This dude

1456
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,679
runs the floor. He is like an effective field goal

1457
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,320
rate of sixty eight in transition and so he's taking

1458
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,159
like threes in transition. It's not just but he's good

1459
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:29,119
at leaking out or just running the floor in general,

1460
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:31,679
getting end to end. So like being able to open

1461
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,559
up those opportunities at the rim, the passing, the live

1462
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:37,880
dribble passing, Like no, this is not Nikola Jokic esque,

1463
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:40,519
but it's like, oh no, he's finding like he's working

1464
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,760
on kickouts. He doesn't have this one track mine and

1465
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,920
it's oh wait, he's putting the ball on the floor.

1466
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,400
There's some I don't think you should ever feature him

1467
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,119
this way, And because I think pretty clearly the Jazz

1468
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:52,400
view him as a four, the center numbers are not good.

1469
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,880
They've tried it, I think you don't have to worry

1470
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,719
about him like kind of feeding him in the post

1471
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,719
as much like he has some Oh he can hit

1472
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,800
a turn around Jay. There's like a bunch of different

1473
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,639
layers to this guy's offensive game. And I look at

1474
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:08,000
him and I'm wondering, is this a starting caliber front

1475
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:09,760
court player? I think a lot's just gonna come down

1476
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,360
to the defensive end. I don't he's not laterally quick enough.

1477
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,000
He can't hold up at the center position, so that

1478
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,960
would be that's a very easy way to say, no,

1479
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:18,960
he's gonna have to come off the bench. But I've

1480
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,800
been the scope of his offensive game is a lot wider,

1481
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,320
especially this early on, than I ever thought it was

1482
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:25,679
gonna be.

1483
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is a starting caliber big, not

1484
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,800
a center. So a four that's part of it. It's like, well,

1485
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,760
threes and fours are like kind of the same now

1486
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,800
in most lineups. But like, offensively, I think he's there.

1487
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:39,239
Speaker 3: Just the shooting is what it is.

1488
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: Like, it's he's gotten all the way up to just

1489
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:44,039
under forty percent on the year from three makes half

1490
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:44,960
the shots overall.

1491
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 3: Like the free throw percentage is weird. He doesn't get

1492
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,480
there enough. But like it's almost four assists per thirty

1493
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:52,239
six for like a front court player.

1494
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: That's five driple stuff too.

1495
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's real. The offense is real.

1496
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 2: Like I was looking the other day, I think he's

1497
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,639
in like the third percentile in defensive estimated plus minus,

1498
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:06,199
which is as I consult my proprietary metrics, it's spitting

1499
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:07,280
out like that's not good.

1500
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: So it is just like a huge heuristic.

1501
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's what it is.

1502
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: It's it's uh, there's a subscription service that you can

1503
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:17,639
you can message me on the side for to learn

1504
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:20,039
the third percent of of something is not good. He

1505
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:25,639
like you would so let's say, oh, boy, that well,

1506
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:28,719
because you've got Walker Kessler there, so like, yeah, I

1507
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:30,599
have opinions on him, very but I do think it's

1508
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:34,559
reasonable to conclude like eventually that guy with decent talent

1509
01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:36,440
around him is the anchor of a good defense. Like

1510
01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:38,559
it's not like Walker Kesler's not at like the go

1511
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:40,199
bear level where it's like, oh, you have him, so

1512
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,800
you're a top seven defense, but like he's fairly close

1513
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,000
to that if you put reasonable personnel. So does that

1514
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,239
does the fit like favor Philipowski potentially, because like you

1515
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,599
need that offense on this team, especially when your guards

1516
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:53,159
can't shoot?

1517
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: Do you know what I think? Do you know what

1518
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,719
I think? Sorry I'm laughing at the guard thing, because

1519
01:06:57,719 --> 01:06:59,920
it's true. I think what actually my favorite was, So

1520
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:02,840
Walker Kesler, Yes, that fit favors him. But if you

1521
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,679
kind of look at the team moving forward, the size

1522
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,199
that you could have at the one through at excuse me,

1523
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:12,000
the two through four when you're fully healthy, where if

1524
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:16,199
you could play Philipowski with Kessler, Hendrix, and Lowry Market

1525
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,039
and that is a lineup you could try, or at

1526
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:20,199
the very least you could certainly play him with two

1527
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,440
of those guys, Kessler and then one of those other guys.

1528
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,320
Not that Larry Markin's gonna insulate you then, So I

1529
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,440
prefer to see it with Hendrix. I just think they

1530
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:30,239
have other ways to insulate him, and in fury, I

1531
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,320
still think Cody Williams can kind of be that player.

1532
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,079
But you know he's not on this list for a

1533
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:35,760
recent folks.

1534
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you could argue his leap has been as

1535
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,480
big as anyone's because he was literally invisible for most

1536
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,679
of the year and now I think I've actually seen him.

1537
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,199
Speaker 1: So I think he might be trying to do too

1538
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,599
much at the movie that really.

1539
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: Did he take a shot this week? Do you think

1540
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:52,559
that's too much?

1541
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: So? Yeah, but I think the fit, at least having

1542
01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:59,559
Kesler there could favor him. I think it still matters.

1543
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,960
Then if you don't think that Taylor HENDRICKX one healthy

1544
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:04,559
is gonna work out and that you can't okay, because

1545
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:07,239
Philipowski could be a three on offense, I don't think

1546
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,719
that's the way to maximize him, and that's maybe where

1547
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,480
you run into a problem. So if you don't buy that,

1548
01:08:12,719 --> 01:08:14,719
then you need to find like you need an upgrade

1549
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,199
as a wing defender on this team. Maybe that is

1550
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,039
Taylor Hendrix, but beyond that you don't really have an option.

1551
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,159
Speaker 2: I mean, the other interesting thing is, like the best

1552
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:27,560
version of Philipowski sort of resembles Larry Markinen offensively, like

1553
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,000
not the movement shooting. But it's like you when you said, like,

1554
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:31,840
well he can be a three on offense, like, well,

1555
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:36,159
that's true. That's like Hendricks. Hendricks is like indispensable if

1556
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:39,560
you're gonna be playing Philipowski or marketing defensively. So it's like,

1557
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,000
I don't know that there's a pathway un less than

1558
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:44,840
until they do trade market In. But and then it's

1559
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,760
just like great, you slot in there, Hendricks is there?

1560
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,439
You got Williams and then George and Collier your ones.

1561
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:52,319
Speaker 1: Like great is the word I'd use for this team

1562
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,479
after trading market In for sure?

1563
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,199
Speaker 3: Yeah? Great for Philipowski.

1564
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,239
Speaker 1: You a lot of shots, Bryce sensibare you shooting forty

1565
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:03,720
two point seven percent from three since February first? Also,

1566
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,640
of note, he's done a lot more stuff in transition

1567
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,079
for them. He's also shooting seventy point six percent in

1568
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:12,079
the restricted area. I don't know what to make like

1569
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,119
he doesn't always play a shit ton, And then I

1570
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:18,680
just don't know how do we how do we forecast

1571
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,960
forward for him? Is this just what he is? Or

1572
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,560
have you seen anything? And I'm gonna preface it with this,

1573
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,720
I have not that would make you think that there's

1574
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,119
more feel there as a passer or someone who could

1575
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,479
be an even better defender if you're looking at like

1576
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,159
the way that he could move, cause he's like his

1577
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:36,039
strength is okay, but like he just doesn't move great

1578
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:38,840
for someone his size on the defensive end either. So

1579
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:41,479
I don't I'm I've noted it because he's actually fun

1580
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:42,960
to watch, and I think if you just want someone

1581
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,199
who could come in and oh, sometimes they'll generate his

1582
01:09:45,239 --> 01:09:46,840
own shot. But I think what he's impressed with me

1583
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:48,920
the most when I talked about him coming out of

1584
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,680
school was I worried if he It was kind of

1585
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,319
the jail and Tyson concern for me, where it was, oh,

1586
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,840
what is he gonna fit, like if he just can't

1587
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,239
have the ball, or like I had the same concern

1588
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,000
which a Kobe Walter. He's that he doesn't need it,

1589
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:02,520
and I think that's a really big deal.

1590
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: So I think I do believe in the shooting. He's

1591
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:09,039
a ninety percent free throw shooter this year, so like

1592
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:10,720
there is there has been a spike, I want to

1593
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,720
get it right. So he's like, no one's a forty

1594
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,720
seven percent three point shooter, which is what he's been

1595
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,479
since the break, but he's thirty seven before it, and

1596
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,199
the free throw shooting legitimizes it. Like I don't think

1597
01:10:20,279 --> 01:10:24,720
there's more uh like creation, at least for others. Like

1598
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,960
he's got more turnovers than assists on the year, and

1599
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:29,399
that's still true in the sample after the All Star break.

1600
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,039
So like he is someone that I would I would

1601
01:10:33,119 --> 01:10:35,720
trust as like a catch and shooter, catching attack kind

1602
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,880
of guy that doesn't really even have like the ideal

1603
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,199
size you want at that position. I mean, he's got

1604
01:10:42,279 --> 01:10:45,520
decent size, but I just don't know what. I don't

1605
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,880
know that I see him as more than like a

1606
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,880
fifteen minute a game guy. But he's still I mean,

1607
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:54,119
he hasn't turned twenty two yet, so like maybe there's more.

1608
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:57,359
It's just like I think the assist of turnover stuff

1609
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,720
feels like it forecloses a fair mount of like, oh,

1610
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,479
there's this kind of upside for him, but as like

1611
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,560
a as a as a guy who's gonna make shots

1612
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,520
and they just give you a decent size, Like that's

1613
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,159
that's something I think I probably more apt to be

1614
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:16,760
buying the Philipowski hype and then and the call even

1615
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,680
the Collier upside than I would with sense of a.

1616
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,199
Speaker 1: Uh, I would agree. I think that him being a

1617
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:23,560
little bit more plug and playoffensively, you'll at least opens

1618
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,239
up a pathway to him having a role. But I

1619
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:28,520
would argue, if he's ever a starter, steady starter in

1620
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,960
this league, it feels like he's just eating innings for

1621
01:11:31,039 --> 01:11:31,560
a bad team.

1622
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 3: Maybe. So yeah, which is right now?

1623
01:11:35,159 --> 01:11:37,199
Speaker 1: Fair enough? I'm a final player to shout out, this

1624
01:11:37,239 --> 01:11:39,640
will be our last one. He was going to replace

1625
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,640
Jail and Picket until we couldn't figure out who I

1626
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,720
had instead of Jail Picket, so they both made it.

1627
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,079
Keyshawn George. Look, there's we'rena either have a talk about

1628
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:49,640
the finishing or like he's shot like one percent from

1629
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,920
mid range since February first or something. One of eleven's

1630
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,039
not one percent? Uh, he is just the more I

1631
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:58,479
watch him, Grant, we talked about him like like kind

1632
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,720
of a couple of points this year, like the above,

1633
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,720
the break three point shooting is really coming along. He's

1634
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,479
had over forty percent since February first. The defensive matchups

1635
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,600
he has to shoulder, I do think that very clearly

1636
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,520
we've seen him be overmatched at times when you're looking

1637
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,680
at like we've seen him go up against you know,

1638
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,680
Ky Cunningham or even a Devin Booker, Like there have

1639
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been points where it's all right, Like he held his

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own on Scottie Barnes and he was fine going up

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01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:25,399
against McHale Bridges and he did alright, Like defending like

1642
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,800
a motion shooter type like going to a Cam Johnson.

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01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:29,880
Someone's gonna move around the floor and he's still a

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01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,840
body that you could throw on a Pascal Siakam or

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01:12:33,039 --> 01:12:35,880
even a Devin Booker. So we've seen him moved about

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01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,159
the positional spectrum on defense. I don't think I've come

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01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:41,000
away thinking, oh, he's making all defensive teams. But I've

1648
01:12:41,039 --> 01:12:43,279
come away thinking he doesn't have to be your best

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01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:44,920
perimeter defender. You all of a sudden have like a

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01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,560
really hell of a second option as your second best

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01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,560
perimeter defender. And then there is and I do think

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01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,720
we mentioned this when we were talking about him. I

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01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,439
think it was like very early on in the year,

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01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,079
the feel for his game as a playmaker. He's gonna

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01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:01,239
have to figure out a shot making on Drodge, the finishing,

1656
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:03,039
whether he should go up for the mid range, like

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01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:05,720
making decisions even sometimes after he's picked up his dribble,

1658
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:08,399
finding guys who are moving. His own movement off the

1659
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,000
ball I think has gotten better this year and the

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01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:12,880
own I would have to look into the touch time

1661
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,680
for this, but like he's making quicker swing passes or

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01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,359
just if he's catching it on the move, like he'll

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01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:20,079
find someone coming in from the forty five angle on

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01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:22,520
a cut. This is someone who I think is going

1665
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,520
to be a really valuable connector type wing on a

1666
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,199
good team, and I would be very hesitant to say

1667
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,920
him in the same name as like a Derek White

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,800
or McHale Bridges, and McHale Bridges has kind of come

1669
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,119
up from there and we've seen his limitations, but just

1670
01:13:38,279 --> 01:13:39,960
like I don't know who would be then a better

1671
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:41,960
example of just like a connector wing who's maybe on

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01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,680
a little bit lower end than there, because I don't

1673
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,199
see that defensive ceiling for him there for sure with

1674
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:48,640
a Derek White as a shooter and a passer, though

1675
01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:51,239
I absolutely wouldn't rule that out.

1676
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think early this year he really stood out

1677
01:13:56,199 --> 01:14:00,439
for like his defensive feel and like activity and then

1678
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,680
kind of similar stuff on the other end, Like I

1679
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:06,600
don't know it's he. I guarantee you scouts have written

1680
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,800
or said the phrase like just knows how to play

1681
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:12,199
like several times in reference to him, which has its

1682
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:14,439
which has its value, And like again I feel like

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01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,560
this is a broken record thing, like the ball's just

1684
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,399
got to go in for him. Like I think, like

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01:14:20,079 --> 01:14:22,119
I'll get this wrong, but I swear so he's made

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01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:23,720
like just over one hundred threes on the year, and

1687
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,560
I swear like ten percent of that happened in like

1688
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,000
two games. You know, like he's if you if you

1689
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:30,880
early this season where he was, it must have been

1690
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:32,960
like a four of seven or something in there somewhere.

1691
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 3: I distinctly remember him having like maybe even more than that.

1692
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,119
Speaker 2: There might have been like a seven to three game

1693
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,520
where so like, really the rest of the year he's

1694
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,479
been terrible, and it's the two.

1695
01:14:42,319 --> 01:14:44,039
Speaker 3: Point shooting that's even the bigger problem.

1696
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:48,319
Speaker 2: So like I don't connector sounds right almost by default,

1697
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:51,279
because it's like this guy's got nothing when he's trying

1698
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:55,199
to like finish or create shots, so that has to

1699
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:57,079
get there, and then if it does, he's kind of

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01:14:57,159 --> 01:14:59,720
got all the rest of the stuff like that you'd want.

1701
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:03,239
It is just another question of can he make enough

1702
01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:07,439
shots to sort of allow all of his other like

1703
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,279
positive attributes, of which there are several, to like play up,

1704
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,439
you know, because other because if the ball is not

1705
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,319
gonna go in, then I don't know what we're doing here.

1706
01:15:14,359 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 3: Again that that is a broken record.

1707
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,079
Speaker 2: I think I've said that exact phrase before, But you

1708
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:20,079
know what I mean, Like, I don't I'm gonna need

1709
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:23,279
to see for him, I because I believe in all

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01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:25,439
the other stuff. I'm gonna need to see the ball

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,359
go in like pretty consistently before I'm like, Okay.

1712
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 3: He's a he's a positive player on here.

1713
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,199
Speaker 1: You don't believe in the three point shooting over the

1714
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:33,039
past like two months.

1715
01:15:33,359 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 3: I'm uh, not not fully yet, not fully yet.

1716
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm probably more of a I don't know

1717
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,520
if he's gonna be forty two percent above the breakthreees forever.

1718
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,479
I think that he'll be in above average here. I

1719
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,840
think what you mentioned about can he score in other ways?

1720
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,640
Because even when he's moving without the ball, like there

1721
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,239
needs to be less ball out before he gets to

1722
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:53,079
the basket. But if you're gonna put the ball in

1723
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:55,159
his hands and want him to drive, cause like I said,

1724
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:57,039
I think he's like, he's pretty good at making reads

1725
01:15:57,039 --> 01:15:59,800
and table setting for others in those instances, but you

1726
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,119
need to become more of a threat of Okay, at

1727
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:02,880
least get all the way to the basket. Maybe generate

1728
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,239
more free throw opportunities would be a part of his

1729
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:07,600
game that I don't need him to. I don't need

1730
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,560
him to shoot forty two percent from three and then

1731
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,560
like hit these pull up mid range like that to me,

1732
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,560
doesn't need to be like his final form.

1733
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not asking him to be like Cam Johnson

1734
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,039
on offense or something like that.

1735
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: That was fun. Did you want to take us out

1736
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:20,159
of here?

1737
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,520
Speaker 2: Yep, thanks everybody for listening, for watching. Let us know

1738
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,840
who we forgot because I told Dan before we started

1739
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,520
this that, like I thought of someone and I couldn't

1740
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,039
think of him, and I'm not gonna think of it.

1741
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:31,359
Speaker 3: It might have been Zion, Like let's do Zion just

1742
01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:32,039
for funzies.

1743
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, like no, no, super main. That wasn't the We

1744
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,680
tried to make that clear thought like, oh man, look

1745
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:40,119
at what freaking like just like you said, Zion's been doing.

1746
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 2: As a guide, Dan chose Bryce Sensiba. So the level

1747
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,319
of deep cut and Jalen Pickett.

1748
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: So who did you say no to when I named

1749
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,319
them too? You're like, absolutely not. I can't even remember.

1750
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, So let us give us your own

1751
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,720
deep cuts and buy oursells post FYI.

1752
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: So just yeah, yeah, I did, I did. I did

1753
01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:06,039
have the best big man shooter since Karl Anthony Towns.

1754
01:17:06,039 --> 01:17:08,359
Who's the best ever? So, I mean, I don't know.

1755
01:17:08,399 --> 01:17:12,039
Speaker 2: I'm not sorry, not sorry, nine point three per thirty six,

1756
01:17:12,119 --> 01:17:15,520
three point attempts, just making all of them. Let's see

1757
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,279
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1758
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:20,479
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1759
01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:22,079
Speaker 3: Sure you're subscribed there. I don't know how you're seeing that,

1760
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:22,640
why you'd be.

1761
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,199
Speaker 2: Seeing this if you weren't, but in that unlikely instance,

1762
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,119
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1763
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,279
Speaker 3: Who we forgot, who who? Whether you buy yourself or

1764
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,119
guys we thought so, join our discord links for that.

1765
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:37,199
Speaker 2: For YouTube and podcast description shouts. Frank Mila Kina apologies,

1766
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:37,720
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