WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:06.519 Oh is bot. 2 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:07.960 It's showtime. 3 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:11.279 People say good money to see this movie. When they 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:12.160 go out to a theater. 5 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:16.199 They want cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:17.199 the protection booth. 7 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:20.839 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring off. 8 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:43.079 The Future's toughest cop is Katie Coltrane. 9 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:45.399 I'm back now. 10 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:51.840 She's getting a new partner. His name is Teddy. 11 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:55.200 Its you two saw this case together? 12 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:56.320 What what. 13 00:00:58.200 --> 00:00:58.600 Partner? 14 00:00:58.679 --> 00:00:59.280 Coltrane? 15 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.280 He's got the style. I'm here for a new look. 16 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:09.040 Stead right up, push the button. He's a cor You 17 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:12.439 gotta make him look like a real car for my clue. 18 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:14.959 That thing at the table just clacked at me. He's 19 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:15.599 got horse for you. 20 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:17.719 It's fair. He's got the charm. 21 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:22.560 Your mind shut down and your glands have taken over. 22 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.519 And he's got the appetite. 23 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:26.439 You cannot eat. 24 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.280 Our only suspect. 25 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:37.280 To come out. Yes, it's odd time. I'm amazing new 26 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:38.599 line Cinema presents. 27 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:41.840 You think you're gonna get some about it? 28 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:43.159 I be gold Berg. 29 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:47.439 Can you just slide your button? Yeah, that's great, And 30 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:54.400 introducing sweets. 31 00:01:54.840 --> 00:02:02.840 A customer, Theodore Repig. 32 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.200 It's a tale you'll never forget. 33 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:21.719 I love when he does that. Welcome to the Projection Booth. 34 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:23.639 I'm your host. Mike White joined me this week as 35 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:24.759 mister Brad Jones. 36 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.000 Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having me back. 37 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.319 Also back in the booth for the fourth time this 38 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:33.039 month as we take this unusual journey is mister Kevin Lane. 39 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.560 That's Taranosaurus Rex, girly boy, I'm Mike. 40 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:41.280 We conclude whoop Brewery with the discussion of nineteen ninety 41 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:45.879 five's buddy cop dinosaur movie Theodore Rex. Written and directed 42 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:49.800 by Jonathan Beschel, the film stars Whoopee as Katie Coltrane, 43 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.240 a souped up super cop reluctantly paired with a press 44 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.840 agent who wants to be a cop in the worst way. 45 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:00.199 The titular Theodore Rex, a snappy dresser who happens to 46 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:03.919 be a dinosaur. We will be getting into all the 47 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.240 dirty behind the scenes drama of this film the way 48 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.199 it was dumped onto video, as well as possibly spoiling 49 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.560 the film's twists and turns. Sure, so if you don't 50 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.680 want anything ruined, go watch the film, or maybe read 51 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:19.840 one of the many novelizations and come back after you've 52 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.840 done your homework. We will still be here, so Bran, 53 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.039 When was the first time you saw Theodore Rex and 54 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:25.919 what did you think? 55 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:28.199 The first time I saw it was last week. 56 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:32.639 And when you send out the list towards the end 57 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:34.680 of the year where you're like, here's the list of 58 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.639 all the movies that are coming up that we're going 59 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:38.960 to which one do you want to pick to be on. 60 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.879 One of the movies that you had listed is a 61 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.240 Jim Carrey movie, which is one of my favorite comedies 62 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.080 of all time. But then I saw Theodore Rex there 63 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:49.960 and was like, when am I ever going to watch 64 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:55.199 Theodore Rex? This is an excuse to finally see this movie. 65 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:00.479 And I have this weird Mandela effect with this film 66 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:04.000 where I thought I remembered for sure that this played 67 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.240 in our theaters for like a week, but I guess 68 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:11.159 not like the later seeing it was dumped on video 69 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:13.000 and then all the behind the scenes. 70 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:13.520 Drama with it. 71 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:18.279 You know. I kind of like that genre of partnered 72 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.959 with a thing that talks things sort of like taquila 73 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.959 and benetti with a dinosaur, and that era of ninety 74 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.319 stuff where this is a stupid script, but we're given 75 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:34.079 it fantastic set design and costuming and puppetry. So I'm like, yeah, 76 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:36.680 I'll take a Tuesday afternoon and watch it. So I 77 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.079 watched it. I watched it last Tuesday, and the biggest 78 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.800 surprise was I didn't expect five minutes in to be 79 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:43.759 like I'm lost. 80 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:44.879 I'm glad you said. 81 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:46.560 I don't know how you could be lost. But we'll 82 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:50.199 talk about that, Kevin. How about yourself. 83 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:53.759 The first time I'd seen this was just this week, 84 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:56.639 and I've watched it twice since, and I think I 85 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:58.879 know less about it no having seen it than I 86 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.800 did before I even bother to look into this film. 87 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:05.399 It's a trip. And I have to tell you, Mike, 88 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:09.040 when it comes to nineties dinosaur films, this is no prehysteria. 89 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:11.879 Yeah, this was a new one for me as well. 90 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:14.839 I was telling Brad before we started recording, and I 91 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:16.680 think I told you a little bit too, Kevin. As 92 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:18.800 far as this last film, this last film was a 93 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.639 tough one because you know, we talked about Jump a Jack, 94 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.160 Flash Burglar, Fatal Beauty, all three films I had seen 95 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:28.560 many times growing up and really enjoyed those, and I 96 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.160 kept thinking, what's the fourth film going to be? Is 97 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.600 it going to be The Telephone, which was the next 98 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:36.240 film in that series is going to be the Associate, 99 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.959 which I also really liked, or is it going to 100 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.800 be something completely different? And I was looking at all 101 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.160 the movies and kind of like you, Brad, I had 102 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:48.839 never seen Theodore Rex and I said, oh, hey, maybe. 103 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.000 And then when I saw that Jonathan Betchell had wrote 104 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:54.399 and directed it, I said, okay, well, I know, mister Betchell. 105 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.240 We talked about the last Starfighter. He's been on the 106 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.000 show before, let me reach out, And as soon as 107 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.279 he agreed to an interview, I said, okay, that's the 108 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.759 fourth film. So I watched this before I talked with him, 109 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.680 and then I watched it again a couple times this week, 110 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:13.040 and yeah, wow, I love that this movie starts off 111 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.759 with the old screenwriting trope. And I'm sure you know 112 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.839 this very well, Kevin. You tell and you don't show, 113 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.639 because we're gonna tell everything in an opening scroll. We're 114 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.480 going to talk about what's happening tomorrow night. We're going 115 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:27.399 to talk about what just happened. 116 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:29.399 One hour ago. 117 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:33.480 Two workers escaped from the New Eden compound and are 118 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.439 racing to tell the police about Caine's master plan. 119 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.519 We're gonna give the plans of the bad guy, like 120 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:45.439 that whole Bondian trope where you're like, oh, well, mister Bond, 121 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:46.839 now that you're going to die, I'm going to tell 122 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:47.600 you my whole plan. 123 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:52.839 At midnight tomorrow, billionaire Elizar Kine will launch his new 124 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:57.680 Eden missile to bring on another ice age. After mankind 125 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.519 is extinct, Cain will re make the pairs of all 126 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.720 Earth's animals he keeps frozen in his arc. 127 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.319 And create his vision of Paradise. 128 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.079 No, no, right here in the opening scroll. After mankind 129 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.680 is extinct, Kin will reanimate the pairs of all the 130 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.199 Earth's animals he keeps frozen in his arc and create 131 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:22.040 his vision of paradise. One hour ago, two workers escape 132 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:24.360 from the new Eton compound and are racing to tell 133 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.040 the police about Cain's master plan. And we start off, 134 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.199 and there we go, and we even have more in 135 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.680 that scroll, and it's just fucking crazy. I've never seen 136 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:37.639 a movie start this way, And it's amazing to me 137 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:41.000 that this was written. The first draft, or one of 138 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.079 the first drafts, was written in nineteen ninety two. The 139 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.600 movie comes out and I think it's ninety five, but 140 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.759 isn't it technically ninety six? When it gets put into 141 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.160 video stores, or is it ninety four and then ninety 142 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:55.839 five it gets put into video stores. But this it's 143 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:01.279 post Last Action Hero and Last Action Hero had very 144 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.600 few jokes that I enjoyed. But the one I did 145 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.560 enjoy was, here's your new partner, a cartoon cat. 146 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:15.120 Redfless, you're pulling dirty with the animated cat I had. 147 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.000 You're get in the fleaband later let me join me. 148 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.959 You touched me again, Juliet, I can't prove this is 149 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.079 a movie. There's cartoon cats. 150 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:27.959 He's supposed to be back on duty. It was only 151 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:30.839 suspended for a month. Shut up. And that kind of 152 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.960 put the nail in the coffin for me. Of like 153 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.519 all those pairings that you're talking about, I mean, every 154 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.559 time there was a popular person, they said, oh, let's 155 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.480 pair them with a dog in a movie. We'll have 156 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.519 cane Ie Turner and hooch and what was the one, 157 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:50.080 the Chuck Norris movie Top Dog. Yeah, so it's like 158 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.480 we're gonna have that. We're gonna like pair up people 159 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:57.240 with weird things around there. Alienshion, alien nation. Oh, there's 160 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.360 so much alienation to me in this. An alienation was 161 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.240 just so much better than this, or like that weird 162 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.639 combination of a Hollywood actor and a the hard nosed 163 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:08.480 cop with that. 164 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:10.399 Oh I love the hard way. 165 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:17.320 Yeah that's great, but this dinosaur cop mix up, Holy cow, 166 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:22.200 and I think it could have maybe worked, but not 167 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.600 in this form, not in this form. 168 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:27.120 Like this, not like this. 169 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:31.480 I was writing down like what could have made this work? 170 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.799 And a couple of things won the voice. I like 171 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.720 George Newbern and it was kind of funny that he 172 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.320 was in this because he was Pouchinsky's partner. 173 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.240 And a classic. 174 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.039 Peter Boyle is a tough, ill mannered cop who was 175 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:52.559 run down in Milne of duty. But that's not the 176 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:59.399 end of his story. No, No, he's reincarnated surprise as 177 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.360 a street wise bulldog in poo Chinski. 178 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:03.279 What are you gonna do now? 179 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.399 Well, first I'm going to try licking myself and then 180 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:07.480 I'm going to catch my cot. 181 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:11.000 The talking dog teams up with this astonished former partner 182 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:12.559 to put the bite on crime. 183 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:14.480 Yeah. 184 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.159 This time he's the voice of the thing, but his 185 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.440 voice paired with how Theodore looks and it feels more 186 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:24.039 like he's playing like a sassy college student than a cop. 187 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:26.759 And the way that they write him like this could 188 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.279 make sense. I could go along with this if you 189 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.919 had a Samuel Jackson voicing this or something like that, 190 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:36.440 or if it was even believable that he's a cop, 191 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.960 because it seems so inconvenient for him to be a cop. 192 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:43.639 He walks so slow, is always knocking over things with 193 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:46.879 his tail, He has to drive this ice cream truck 194 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.120 that probably goes ten miles an hour. He doesn't carry 195 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.679 a gun, and even when a bomb is about to 196 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.120 go off, he can't run away from it. 197 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:56.720 They have to inch away from it. 198 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.519 I'm gonna stand up a bit for the premise of 199 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:03.000 this bacure is. I could see this working if it 200 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:06.960 was an animated film, if it was treated in a 201 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.600 more exaggerated way. But it's unfortunate that the execution of 202 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.799 it is so distracting. And as I said to you 203 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.799 guys before we started recording, I was forgetting what was 204 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:18.519 going on in the film as I was watching it, 205 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:24.600 because I was just so completely dumbfounded by the awkward 206 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:30.320 staging and execution of the story. It's so odd of 207 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:34.240 a film. But yeah, in terms of writing, that's another thing, 208 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:37.440 where not only do they have the plot explained to 209 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.799 you before this story begins, which you know, why would 210 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.000 you do that. It's like the Netflix model of explaining 211 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.360 to you what's about to happen so you don't have 212 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.080 to watch the screen. But they also narrated it as well, 213 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.639 so if you're not if you're not even reading it, 214 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:53.600 you're being explained it twice. But yeah, classic screenwriting structure, 215 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:55.000 payoff and then set up. 216 00:11:55.799 --> 00:12:00.320 And also they condensed so much of the plot into 217 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:04.440 fairly awkward exposition scenes, like you said, so that the 218 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.399 rest of it can be padded out with a lot 219 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.080 of farting, a lot of belching, a lot of dancing. 220 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.399 And then Stephen mcaddy comes in like I've switched over 221 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:16.440 to Highlander to the quickening. 222 00:12:17.120 --> 00:12:20.960 Literally wearing the colors that's his joker wears. At one 223 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.399 point he's wearing a purple cloak and a green shirt 224 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:26.399 and I'm just like okay, yeah, and that crazy wig 225 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.320 he's got on, which is wild. The opening is black 226 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.879 and white, slow motion, super stylized, and he's got that 227 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.080 long hair and he's carrying a gun behind his back, 228 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.960 which doesn't make any sense. While he's running through this 229 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:46.960 four it's the old graveyard for an amusement park, which 230 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:51.159 really other than seeing the one like statue and I'm like, 231 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:53.480 is this a miniature golf course. It takes a while 232 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:56.360 before they actually explain where he's at, and apparently all 233 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.600 these dinosaurs are connected, but it doesn't really make sense 234 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:03.240 because he wakes up like Theodore Rex with the introduction 235 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.759 to him as him, like having that moment when he 236 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:06.440 wakes up. 237 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:09.200 I thought it was a dream sequence. I thought he 238 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:10.080 woke up from a dream. 239 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.200 Well, especially because the dinosaurs all kind of look alike, 240 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:17.720 you know, not to sound dinosist or anything, but yeah, 241 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.279 he looks exactly like Oliver Rex. So yeah, and they 242 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.000 all have the same last name too, if you know 243 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:26.279 what I mean, a very close family. So that's some 244 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:27.480 of it is in their family. 245 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.559 You did not learn the lesson from this movie. It's 246 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.519 very anti dinosaur there. 247 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.639 So yeah, he wakes up, But then he calls the 248 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:39.840 police station and they're like, oh, yeah, we had this 249 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:43.200 dinoside reported, so they've already had known about it for 250 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.480 a while. So I'm like, oh, so he didn't wake 251 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.879 up from the guy dying. He just woke up later, 252 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.440 I guess. But that happens a few times in this 253 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.000 movie where you're like the timeline just doesn't work at all. 254 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:59.159 And I know that's very small potatoes compared to the 255 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:01.679 overall thing that's happening in this movie. 256 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:03.879 But you know what's tragic about that is if you 257 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.039 read the first page of the script, it's so evocative 258 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.759 and exciting, and I was in and I thought, wow, 259 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:11.600 this is such a departure from what they actually end 260 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:14.879 up making. Everything about this film was just so random 261 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:19.279 where I was constantly being blindsided by latest sort of developments. 262 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:20.840 So I thought, hang on a second, have I just 263 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.200 not been paying attention of It's like, all of a sudden, 264 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.840 the dinosaurs are telepathic, but then also you've got bionic cops, 265 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:30.799 and then you have insects which are like sentient as well, 266 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.200 and there's just so many hats on hats on hats 267 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.080 added into the story. It's bonkers. It feels like they 268 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:38.639 were just making up as they were going, But when 269 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:39.960 you read the script, it's all in there. 270 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.600 What I mean by you can't look away from the film, 271 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.559 it's not that it's riveting, it's that if you look 272 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.200 away for a second, you might miss a really important 273 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:53.879 piece of plot. You mentioned the whole bionic cop thing. 274 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.600 I must have looked away for five seconds and missed 275 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:02.279 a setup of that. So later when a character is 276 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.200 shot and you see all these elector things going around, 277 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.879 I'm like, it's not that I felt lost necessarily. I 278 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:11.840 figured in my head, like I just looked at my 279 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.720 phone for like five seconds and missed this important thing 280 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:15.679 about this character. 281 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.000 No, the first mention of it, I think is when 282 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:23.120 she goes to the autopsy of one of the guys 283 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.720 who was killed, one of the gang members who was killed, 284 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:30.000 and he says to her, you've had a new upgrade. 285 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:31.480 You're not as angry as it used to be, or 286 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.720 something like that. And that was the only setup I 287 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:37.639 could track where I got to the end and I thought, 288 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:40.879 hang on, she's a terminator. But yeah, Joe. The other 289 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:42.320 thing that jumped out at me, it was like I 290 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.159 was watching this and it suddenly dawned in me. I thought, 291 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.120 this is Blade Runner. They've just remade Blade Runner. 292 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:48.080 I can see that. 293 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.000 Yeah, I guess I could see that too. 294 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.320 Because it's a dinosaur meeting is Maker and he's going 295 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.559 up against them, and there's racist undertones to it and stuff. 296 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.919 But yeah, it's in the universe of the Super Mario 297 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.840 Brothers movie. At least that movie when it's set up 298 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.440 with the narration, it was simple enough. 299 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:07.559 I could go along with it. 300 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.200 That movie, you know, for lack of a better term, 301 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:13.960 did the setup right, like where the gun narrator just 302 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.600 came in and was like, yeah, look media landed on 303 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:19.480 the Earth and wiped out the dinosaurs. 304 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.759 But what if they just went to a parallel universe. Boom, 305 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:23.720 there's your movie. 306 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:26.720 I kept thinking of I robot through this whole thing, 307 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.879 especially with the scientist creator guy. But I don't remember 308 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:39.679 if Cochrane, Sorry Cochrane, No, no, the guy who played 309 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:43.600 the main scientist, I don't know what. Sorry, yeah, I 310 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:46.919 was calling them cochrane as and zephyrm Cochrane. Sorry, I 311 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:51.600 don't know. I don't remember if Cromwell is. I think 312 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.879 he's not evil. He just gets ganked and there's other 313 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.240 evil stuff going on. But it's like, oh, these robots 314 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:00.240 are going to turn evil. I kept waiting for Arman 315 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:06.000 muller Stall, grandfatherly wonderful Arman muler Stall to do something 316 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.119 where it's like, all these dinosaurs are going to turn 317 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.480 on the humans, but don't worry, there are barely any dinosaurs. 318 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.119 I think we see like maybe a dozen, and we 319 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.160 just keep seeing the same dinosaurs over and over and 320 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:19.960 over again. They show up at parties, they show up 321 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:24.640 at funerals, they show up celebrations at the end, gay bars. Yeah, 322 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:28.920 oh boy, Cata, the gay dinosaur thing was really getting me. 323 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.759 I was like, Wow, that might be a bridge too far. 324 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:33.640 In nineteen ninety five, I'm not sure. 325 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.440 I was wondering what the Jim Henson Company thought of 326 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.720 this film, because I thought for the longest time that 327 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:41.839 it was the same crowd that worked on the same 328 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:45.599 dinosaurs that did this, because the intellectual property, the creation 329 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.759 of these things are almost identical to that TV show. 330 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:49.599 It was like, did they just use the same puppets, 331 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:53.559 But no, it's a totally different special effects company that 332 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:53.880 made this. 333 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:56.400 Annie I'm Home. 334 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.279 Yeah, I thought that they were the same dinosaurs because 335 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.000 they looked so freaking similar. I was like, oh, well, 336 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.519 they just took all the dinosaurs from the TV show. 337 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.160 They were in mothballs and they broke them out and 338 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:18.799 they said, Okay, well here's this new thing. And I 339 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.119 don't know the timeline when Dinosaurs the TV show was, 340 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:23.079 It was. 341 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:24.680 A couple of years before this sort of ended. 342 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.160 I think so and I remember that one had like 343 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:29.759 a crazy ending, right, like they actually get walked out. 344 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:34.319 Yeah, but what if they all became cops in Brooklyn? 345 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:39.160 And you're right as far as the ever changing narrative 346 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.000 and just the introduction of all these different characters, there's 347 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:48.079 like there's the woman that's with Teddy at the crime scene, 348 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:50.680 and then there's a different woman who I think is 349 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:55.079 wearing a similar headset when she's oh god, the outfit scene, 350 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:01.039 the outfit montage with the yeah oh boy, when she does. 351 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:05.640 A sexually undressing scene and he's like unable to contain himself. 352 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:09.039 No, I was talking about, which is a good scene. 353 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:11.960 I was talking about the scene where they say you 354 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.680 need to look like a cop, so they put him 355 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.720 in that machine that makes him look like a Mariachi singer. 356 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.960 Okay, Hella, dress me up, now, make me look nice. 357 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:23.279 Okay. 358 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:27.039 I've got this very picky partner, besides being loud, not 359 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.400 just very pushy. She's enjoyed to work with. 360 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:45.640 Can put Ella. This is not undercover. Push the button, Ella, undercover, 361 00:19:46.599 --> 00:20:01.920 please undercover now, Mahala. 362 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.440 He's a you gotta make him look like a real car. 363 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.000 Ellen, I'm getting a wee bit of breeze in my 364 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.039 Lowlands lassie with me will you? 365 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:20.960 I think this will do fine, and then puts them 366 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:23.039 in an outfit which, for the life of me, looks 367 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:25.480 exactly the same as the outfit he was wearing. I 368 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:26.759 really didn't see a difference. 369 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:32.400 He just had better jogging shoes so he could tiptoe 370 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.799 a little faster when he moves away from an explosion. 371 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.920 This big three toad converse he was wearing, And Yeah, Kevin, 372 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:42.039 this would work so much better than as a cartoon, 373 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:45.480 especially because bud Court is playing a cartoon character he is. 374 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:47.759 He feels like like a character from like James Bond 375 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:51.759 Junior or something, or the Captain Planet cartoon. It's really exaggerated. 376 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.240 Well have you put? There were so many unscenary characters 377 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:57.440 that kept being introduced where I thought something's gonna happen 378 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.039 with them, Like her partner at the beginning. 379 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.480 Yeah, I thought for sure he was going to die. 380 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:05.160 I was like, oh, yeah, this guy's dead. Me No, 381 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:06.480 he just goes away. 382 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:08.960 Which would have been an improvement that would have motivated 383 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:11.400 her character a bit more. There are moments in the 384 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:13.880 script where it just feels like did they not bother 385 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.680 to write it or did they not just want to 386 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.960 shoot it? But when she gets teamed up with him 387 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:21.359 the first time, she says five times, he's a dinosaur. 388 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:23.160 He's a dinosaur. He's a dinosaur. 389 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:28.160 I'm like Teddy Rex meet Katie Coltrane. Hi, you two 390 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.400 solve this case together? Whoa whoa? Whoa? 391 00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:31.920 What? 392 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.680 What that is in public relations? But I'm feel promoting 393 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.240 him temporarily. 394 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:37.559 Is a dinosaur? 395 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.799 Come on, Coltrane, he graduated from the academy just like 396 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:42.799 You's a dinosaur. 397 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:44.359 You know a SPECIs dore. 398 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:48.720 You give me results by prime time tomorrow and I'll 399 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:50.119 double your regular commissions. 400 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:52.640 It's a dinosaur. 401 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:55.440 Come on, a Coltrane, straighten up and fly right. 402 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:56.920 It's your chance for a comeback. 403 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.759 Don't blow It's a look up. 404 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:06.400 As long as we're partners, why don't we make the 405 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:06.880 best of it? 406 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.440 Huh A dinosaur? 407 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.720 Yes'm technically like you could write something else here to 408 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.079 express why she doesn't want to work with him. She 409 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.400 just keeps saying he's a dinosaur. He's a dinosaurs, Like, 410 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:23.359 at least try a little bit. 411 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:31.160 I liked moments like that because she is on such 412 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:35.319 not give a crap mode and not to the point 413 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:38.720 to where she's overacting. Quite the opposite, the kind of 414 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.279 not give a crap where you are just getting the. 415 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:43.240 Lines out and that's it. 416 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.640 Like sure, later it talks about her being like this 417 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:49.880 bionic cop or whatever, but that's not why she's monotone 418 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.200 in this movie. It's because she wants to be anywhere 419 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.920 else but this film. So when there were parts like 420 00:22:55.960 --> 00:22:58.640 the one you said where she's like, he's a dinosaur, 421 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:02.559 He's a dinosaur, or those parts I could get kind 422 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:04.920 of an ironic lap out of because there were moments 423 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:08.440 like that that just felt like Whoopy Goldberg piecing into 424 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.759 her head exactly what she's in. Like also that another 425 00:23:11.799 --> 00:23:13.319 part I was thinking of what that was when they 426 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:18.400 were in the Star Wars CANTEENA but for dinosaurs, where 427 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.519 she just cracks and just starts laughing. 428 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:27.720 Laugh where the big grill dinosaurs like smiling at her 429 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.279 and she's like, you're not getting any tonight. It's an 430 00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:33.240 awful lot of people walking into cavernous sets and just 431 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:36.680 standing there stock still and exchanging dialogue and according to 432 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:40.920 the next scene, oh yeah, they're just walking from set 433 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:45.440 to set, really low energy, really disinterested, And I couldn't 434 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.200 follow along what was going on or why it was happening. 435 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:50.839 I was looking in the background and thinking, oh my god, 436 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.160 that's a nice sliding set up there in the background, 437 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:54.480 and not paying attention. 438 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:58.160 The sets are gorgeous. I really like these. I mean 439 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:02.000 that kind of open air bar where the little kid 440 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:06.079 is working. It's like Neon is everywhere and he's got 441 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:07.960 that little thing, and I guess you're right, this is 442 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.920 kind of like the uh Blade Runner thing. Yeah, yeah, 443 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:13.200 bullfish that's what my ex wife used to call me, 444 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.039 Like yeah, and he's got even like the whole thing 445 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:18.680 of their showing, like, oh, Kin is going to bring 446 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.319 back raccoons next, and it's like, oh, okay, I guess 447 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.200 all of these animals this is how we find out 448 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:27.240 all these animals are extinct, Like bringing those back are 449 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.880 just as well as like Tyrrell making a robot version 450 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:34.680 of a replicant version of a raccoon. I suppose do 451 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.480 you like our all? It's artificial? 452 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:40.559 Of course, it is. 453 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:43.640 Must be expensive. 454 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:51.799 Very it's Blade Runner of mom accidentally rented Pluto Nash. 455 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.319 We have Blade Runner at home. 456 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.000 This was reminding me of stuff like that, where it 457 00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.680 is that era. It's a funny era where it was 458 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:03.480 like Pluto Nash or Super Mario Brothers, where there is 459 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.599 a lot spent on making the sets look good, making 460 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.880 the lighting look good, making the costuming be fairly impressive for. 461 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.000 A movie where it's like we need to pad this out. 462 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:16.160 Let's have him fart on somebody's face for a while 463 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:20.279 while he's strapped down, like they're simultaneously also a weird 464 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:21.680 fetish film. 465 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.519 There's two things that boys love playing as a kid, 466 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.519 cops and robbers and dinosaurs. You team them up, it's 467 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.680 like that's a no brainer. But then you introduce a 468 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.400 dinosaur that doesn't eat anybody. He's not even a meat 469 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:38.720 eater's regisaurs and only does this keep knocking people over 470 00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:40.680 with his tail. It's like you're not even doing the 471 00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:42.519 cool thing with a dinosa. You've got a t rex 472 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.880 in this. Let amaul somebody or at least be intense 473 00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.640 in some of these action scenes, but no, he's He's 474 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.880 like a clone that's just bobbling a boot the place Barreently, 475 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:53.240 the dinosaur is more intimidating. 476 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.240 It's so strange that this world has dinosaurs, but they 477 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:00.519 don't seem to change anything. It's just our world with 478 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:01.519 brighter colors. 479 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.039 Same with the robots. 480 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.799 Yeah, and I guess they call the robots guns because 481 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:09.759 they say at one point the guns got us, and 482 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:12.200 that was in the script. The script, I have to 483 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:16.000 say way better, not great, but way better, and really 484 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.759 has this whole thing of like, okay, we're we have 485 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.599 these special cops and really like there's a twist at 486 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.680 the end with these very specialized cops that are kind 487 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:29.200 of bio enhanced and they've got you know, like they 488 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.680 can download thing. It's very matrix, you know, like at 489 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.880 one point she even says like download vehicles or download this, 490 00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:37.440 and she's gaining all the knowledge, you know. It's kind 491 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.200 of like Trinity when she's like, oh, can I learn 492 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:42.599 how to you know, fly this helicopter. There's a part 493 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.440 in the in the script towards the end where they 494 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:50.519 finally reveal why Coltrane, who's a white male in the 495 00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:54.400 script and we'll talk about the differences with you know, Gosh, 496 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.319 we've talked about this so much, Kevin. This whole idea 497 00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.559 of it was written for this type of person, but 498 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:04.319 will Be Goldenberg ended up playing it. But the cop 499 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:09.680 basically died. The company came in it's a very robo cop. 500 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.640 The company came in replaced all of his parts with 501 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.880 these robot parts, and he has to work for them 502 00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.720 and always work for them. Had to give up his 503 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.480 entire family, so like, his family's aware that he's alive 504 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:25.319 and his family is around, but he cannot have anything 505 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:28.359 to do with them otherwise the company will repossess the 506 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.319 parts and basically leave him to die. So I'm like, 507 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.359 oh wow, that's really fucking dark. And that's the whole 508 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:35.640 thing about that script. Is it so much darker and 509 00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:38.920 so much more adult and somewhere in there, even though 510 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.279 it's about a cop and a dinosaur, but somewhere in 511 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:43.799 there they lost all of that and it became this 512 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:45.920 living cartoon that we see. 513 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.119 Yeah, in the actual movie, it feels like she's a 514 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.680 bionic cop only so she can survive getting shot, right, 515 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:53.960 you know you know what I mean? 516 00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.440 Or not change costumes. She was the same close for 517 00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:59.319 the entire film. 518 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.920 Again though in the in the script, the plot is 519 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.839 so like why are you doing this? Why do you 520 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.920 want to create this new ice age? Like we never 521 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.440 really get like why he wants to do this, Like 522 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.799 there's more motivation for Vera Farmiga's character and that horrible 523 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.279 Godzilla king in the Monstrous movie where she wants to 524 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.240 like raise up all the Titans, all the Kaiju. Again, 525 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.839 that makes no sense, But this makes even less sense. 526 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.079 New Eden by bringing about another ice age. 527 00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.400 Humans have been the dominant species for thousands of years, 528 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.279 and look what's happened overpopulation. 529 00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.160 Pollution or the. 530 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:44.359 Mass extinction we feared has already begun, and we are 531 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:44.960 the cause. 532 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:48.119 We are the infection. 533 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.599 I can kind of see, you know, where they're coming from. 534 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.079 Where it's like the future of humanity with synthetic life 535 00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:59.759 for androids in the past, with dinosaurs and us coalescing 536 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.200 in the middle. But it's too many ideas for one film, 537 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.720 especially a kids film, to handle. Sometimes you can blame 538 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.880 development for that stuff, but I feel like they started 539 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.559 off on the wrong foot here and they needed to 540 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.079 pair it back. But it need to be about just 541 00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:17.920 one thing, which is dinosaurs and cops working together. 542 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:19.720 Have it have that. 543 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.480 Dark edge like you were talking about, Because going back 544 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.039 to something like Tequila and Benetti for a second, not 545 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.039 that that's the most perfect show ever made, but what 546 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.480 it seems like Theodore's apartment is Benetti's apartment from that show, 547 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.519 Like I had to look. I'm like, they look exactly 548 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.279 the same. I was wondering if it was even the 549 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.839 same set. But that show you had like it was 550 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.960 a cop Jack Scalia and he's partnered with a dog 551 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.240 that talks, but the other people can't hear him talk. 552 00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.200 You're just kind of hearing his thoughts in his head. 553 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.240 But that you had Jack Scalia playing that role as 554 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.440 if he's on Hill Street Blues, as if this is 555 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.200 a serious, gritty cop show, and even the cases on 556 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.839 the show were is seriously dark, Like you would have 557 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:08.319 an episode about like a serial rapist, you'd have one 558 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:11.160 where there's just a naked body hanging from the ceiling 559 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.880 and then it pans down and Tequila sees it and 560 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.880 is just like, oh boy, Like at least that you 561 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.480 can get one. You have the mixture of the other 562 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.559 actors are treating it pretty dark and serious, but the 563 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:31.599 total inconsistencies of it also like make it pretty entertaining, 564 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:35.319 even if that's not maybe not the intent for it 565 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.000 to be that, but still it makes it a fascinating watch, 566 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:42.119 whereas here you mostly have a lot of them acting 567 00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:46.319 like they are in a wacky comedy. Either that or 568 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.839 again will be Goldberg wanting to be anywhere else in 569 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.599 this She's not acting like she's in a really dark 570 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:54.599 movie where. 571 00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:56.559 She happens to be partnered with a dinosaur. 572 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.480 So it was just a struggle to see it through 573 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.200 because the world made less sense. 574 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:04.359 The bore you watched it. 575 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.680 You couldn't really even get a lot of unintentional laughs 576 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.839 out of it. A mixture of the lead performance is 577 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.119 not really bringing it or being miscast, and again just 578 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.519 scratching my head, which I didn't think would happen in 579 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:20.440 Theodore Rest. 580 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.599 I had to look up what you were talking about though, 581 00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.759 Tequila and bunetti that did not travel. 582 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.039 I wasn't aware of that show either, so I was 583 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.079 glad to explain what it was because I'm like, what 584 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:31.200 is he talking about? 585 00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:32.640 Oh, you guys would love it. 586 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:38.920 Oh, early nineties, like very very post Turner and Huge. Bellisario, 587 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:42.440 the creator of Quantum Lea. Basically the network were like, 588 00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.880 we want our own Turner and Huge, so he did this. 589 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:46.440 It only lasted half a season. 590 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.920 That was the kind of thing where its flaws made 591 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.640 it a very very entertaining set and it even had 592 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.279 some dramatic stuff that like it would work every now 593 00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.880 and then, whereas this, whatever you're feeling it is five 594 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.200 minutes in is going to be your feeling through the 595 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:03.960 entire thing. 596 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.240 I was struggling even to find quotes, you know, any 597 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.720 one liners to use. At the beginning of this episode, 598 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.279 there was only a couple of lines which I thought, oh, 599 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:17.160 that's kind of funny. Were Burt caught the hot end 600 00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:19.640 the guy says to him, you get a shot at redemption, 601 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.559 and he says again, like another shot at redemption. That's 602 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.119 kind of amusing. And the other one was when Teddy 603 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.279 Rex goes, I better call my mom. I don't have 604 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:35.000 a mom. What this is so strange, like the implications 605 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:36.920 of that, like why would he even think to say 606 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.359 that he doesn't have a motor tragic? 607 00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:42.319 So so sad I wrote down apart the line that 608 00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:44.920 made me laugh, and it was when a character said, 609 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.680 I ain't cleaning this up. And here's the thing about 610 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.119 this movie. I wrote that down because it was a 611 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:56.279 line that made me laugh. But even that is forgettable 612 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.319 because I'm looking at this going I wish I wrote 613 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.160 down the context of this line, but I know that 614 00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:08.039 that line made me laugh. But it just like everything else, 615 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:09.880 who went in one ear and out the other. 616 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.039 They didn't have the clone character because, as I read 617 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:18.680 in that opening scroll, two people escaped New Eden and 618 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.559 were coming to warn the police, and it took me 619 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.359 forever to figure out who the other one was. It 620 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.720 was it was Oliver Rex, and it was this Adam 621 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.759 guy who's a clone. And it's kind of like Jurassic 622 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.680 Worlds or wherever they like introduced like, oh, yeah, and 623 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.440 we can clone humans too. It's like, what, Oh, that's 624 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.759 a surprise. Well that opens up a whole new can 625 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.359 of worms as far as the implications of this stuff, 626 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.119 so all right, like the little clone girl in the 627 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.039 last movie, I don't think they really knew what the 628 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:48.319 hell to do with her, and I don't think it 629 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:51.000 made any sense to make her a clone in the 630 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.839 first place. But in this it's like, oh, so he 631 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:58.480 can clone humans, all right, Well, that seems very interesting. 632 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.359 And there is god I kind of a mention of 633 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.680 that in the screenplay which doesn't translate to this movie, 634 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.440 which is all of those guys with the crazy masks 635 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.800 that are just like giggling and running around all the 636 00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:13.880 bud courts, the jows yeah, the jawas yeah, which are 637 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:18.159 called zapheads. I think those are all clones apparently in 638 00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.280 the script, but that doesn't translate to here at all 639 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.360 because they never take off their masks. 640 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.360 I had to google that and to give you an 641 00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.239 idea of the footprint of this film. There was no 642 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.119 information online that could help me figure out what it 643 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.239 was not getting from the film, So it just said 644 00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:37.079 zapids were gang Like, oh okay, because they look like 645 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.000 robots to be or some sort of like cybernetic being what. Yeah, 646 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.480 so not just clones, just people clones. 647 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.519 Well with the name, you would think that they are 648 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.119 on some sort of drug or that they power themselves 649 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:53.880 on energy or something like that. And yeah, they've got 650 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:57.559 that the masks that they wear and everything, but yeahs 651 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.280 across that they're clones at all. Yeah, they're very cool. 652 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.159 But I wonder how much of this movie was made 653 00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:07.679 in adr because they could have been menacing except that they're. 654 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:08.079 Just like who. 655 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.960 All the time. There's so many lines that they just 656 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.679 add in where I'm like, oh wow, or sound effects 657 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.639 like sound effects like crazy. I mean, of course we've 658 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.719 talked about the farting already, but just and the bad 659 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.159 breath is also there. But there are so many weird 660 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.440 little things where it's just like ooing for like no reason, 661 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.519 well boing noise. 662 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.880 That's the going bananas motto of Like this joke might 663 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:37.039 not land, but we put a spring sound in there, 664 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:40.960 so we're going to get some asses and seats or 665 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:41.559 on the couch. 666 00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:42.760 We're putting this direct to video. 667 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.360 We need a machine that shoots Macadamian cookies at this 668 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:48.880 guy's mouth. Let's do it. 669 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.920 He sort of wanted to make his apartment like Pee 670 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.719 Wee's from Pee Wee's Big Adventure, but just spent too 671 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.119 spent all of his budget on the cookie machine and 672 00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:57.719 stopped there. 673 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.519 When she finds a dog on the street, which I 674 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.119 guess is supposed to show us that she has humanity 675 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.800 and brings it to the little guy, the little kid, 676 00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.519 he looks the dog looks exactly the same as Theodorex's dog. 677 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:12.760 In my mind anyway, I'm like, you couldn't find a 678 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.400 different type of dog because these two things look the 679 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:15.960 same to me. 680 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:19.000 Yeah, I wrote down to save the dog rather than 681 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.079 save the cat. A moment to show that she's likable, 682 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.480 I guess, But she's really not likable, you know. WHOOPI 683 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.079 Goldberg her super power is that she's so charming and charismatic, 684 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:34.719 and in this she's just a sullen and nasty and 685 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:40.880 she doesn't really redeem herself. It's a really sluggish performance. 686 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.599 The scene when she and Juliet Landau are going back 687 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.800 and forth and she's like, oh yes, insteads doing the voice, 688 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.199 I'm like, I'm very uncomfortable right now. 689 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:55.559 We're here to see Kane and you are culturing grid 690 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:56.960 Police and you are. 691 00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.360 Doctor Shade, Kane's personal physician. 692 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.679 Come tid it follow. 693 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.639 Nothing's motivating it. It's just sort of like being dismissive 694 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.800 and rude. But yeah, I was hoping that I would 695 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.119 find it funny to see somebody struggle through to this 696 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.119 film and try and give it the roll, and it 697 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.000 would be unintentionally funny. But it was just kind of 698 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.960 like a chure or real chure. 699 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.679 Some actors can do that in a movie and they 700 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.840 go so over the top that they make something of it. 701 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:33.199 Like you know, if this movie had had a Nick 702 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.320 Cage in it or something like that, where like he 703 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.360 might be in something where he knows what it is. 704 00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:40.000 It's a pay he doesn't maybe doesn't necessarily want to 705 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.360 be there, but we'll use that to go pretty over 706 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:45.880 the top and still make something entertaining out of it, 707 00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.599 or going back to Highlander two, Sean Connery in that 708 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:52.239 film where he's almost winking at the camera that he 709 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.000 knows exactly the kind of movie he's in. 710 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:58.320 Then there's other actors that don't really do that. 711 00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.320 It's kind of just there boring at it if they're 712 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.599 sleepwalking through it. Bruce Willis, Yeah, or Eddie in Pluto 713 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.039 Nash where they're really just kind of on autopilot, the 714 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.960 bad form of autopilot, where it is I'm not going 715 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.880 to emote, I'm not gonna make this character or anything 716 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.119 more than it is on the page. I'm here nine, 717 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.480 you got me from nine to five and I'm going home. 718 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.440 You mentioned there at the beginning, Brad that the voice 719 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.360 acting was at landing few, and I have to say 720 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.920 I thought that all the voice acting was pretty unpleasant. 721 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.559 And Carol Kane, for me, is one of the most 722 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.599 enjoyable actresses, and even her character of Molly Rex, oh, like, 723 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:48.079 this is awful. This is really rotten, And to see 724 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:53.199 Molly and Teddy flirting with each other so uncomfortable, it 725 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.519 just did not work. 726 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.639 Well, especially that her husband just died. And in the 727 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.679 script they go very far to say, listen, we hadn't 728 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.199 been together and forever. There was no love going on there. 729 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.960 There was a whole thing of like Oliver really bought 730 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:12.079 into the company line and she didn't. There was tension 731 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:15.039 between them. None of that is here, and said, You're 732 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:18.079 just like, who is this floozy who's suddenly just going 733 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:21.280 after Teddy big time basically on the night of her 734 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:24.519 husband's funeral. And I'm like, well, she's a fom fatale 735 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.320 then you know, she's a torch singer at a bar. 736 00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.559 She has to be some sort of fum fatale who's 737 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.400 going to turn on him and trying to manipulate him 738 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.760 in some way. No, and said, she's just like that 739 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.480 little kid, their kidnap bait and that's all they are 740 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.039 is kidnap bait. And I'm like, really, that's what we're 741 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.400 doing here, Like now we have to kidnap the little 742 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.920 kid for Whoopy's character Coltrane to be involved in, and 743 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.519 now we have to kidnap Molly for Teddy's character to 744 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.320 be involved in. And same thing with I think the 745 00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:56.599 Adam character was like, oh, well, Teddy's going to be 746 00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.679 interested in this dinocide, the first dinoside, and it really 747 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.119 makes me wonder what the hell's going on in this 748 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:05.159 world that this is the first dinocide. And then Whoopee 749 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.880 is going after the human clone. So I'm like, okay, 750 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.400 we have these parallel stories. When are they going to collide? Well, 751 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.280 they collide really darn quick. Same thing with our bad guys. 752 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.639 Within the first few minutes, we're like, oh, Macattie knows Budcourt. 753 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:23.719 They know this guy at the big museum thing. And 754 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.639 then he knows Arma Mula Stalls. So they're all in 755 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.880 on it. And you know that by eighteen minutes into 756 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:33.360 this film, there's no third act reveal of oh Arman 757 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.719 Mula Stalls behind this whole thing. Yeah, we know that, 758 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.039 and we've known that in the fucking crawl. 759 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.760 Yeah, in the opening crawl, you know what they should 760 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.039 have done. They should have kidnapped the dogs and then 761 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.480 you have these two evolved people trying to save these 762 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:51.039 lower life forms. It would have been a little bit more, 763 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.000 I guess thematic, but yeah, it was just going through 764 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:58.880 to motion. Everything felt like it was just plodding through plot. 765 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.480 It was reading on some of the reactions that the 766 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.719 producers had when they were seeing cuts of the film, 767 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.480 and one of the guys, Stefano, one of the producer's 768 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:11.440 exact producer, went to see Dragonhart, the Sean Connery film, 769 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.920 and he walked out of it and said to the director, 770 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.079 we are so fucked because that was obviously breaking ground 771 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.400 with CG and they had these these I don't know 772 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:26.639 what you'd call them, muppets to try and win the 773 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:31.079 hearts of kids across America, but yeah, ugly scenes behind 774 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.000 the scene. 775 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.280 Should have taken them another premiere of Prehysteria instead. 776 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:44.639 Coming this summer, attention plates the world premiere. I see 777 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.559 nothing of an action filled family adventure. 778 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:53.760 Behold, I did you pre start line. 779 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.800 It's a story of two. 780 00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:09.400 Kids, one huge discovery, and a lovable bunch of re 781 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:11.079 historic pats the. 782 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.280 Biggest terrestrial carivory that ever lives. 783 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.559 I guess we got the lungs of the leader who 784 00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:18.960 you were mentioning things that actually made you laugh. There's 785 00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.360 one thing that made me laugh pretty well, which was 786 00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.000 when they're talking about, Oh, Teddy, we've got your new 787 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.400 partner here, and they're out in front of the museum 788 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.000 and this guy, for whatever reason, he reminds me of 789 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.599 William Zabka, but like an older williams Zabka, Like now's 790 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.760 well not now it's williams Zabka. But anyway, this guy 791 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.880 walks up and he's got a two bandoliers across his 792 00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:45.559 chest of shotgun shelves. He's carrying a gun across his shoulder, 793 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:50.119 just this big musty guy and he's got black headband 794 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.559 and stuff, and you're just like, oh, wow, okay, this 795 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.840 is his partner. And then Woopy kind of comes up 796 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.000 and pushes him out of the way, and I was like, oh, well, 797 00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.960 that was kind of funny. But again they called her 798 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.440 and said come over to the museum, well before they 799 00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:06.559 just made the agreement that he's going to be her partners, 800 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:09.960 Like what the fuck? Man, Like, get your fucking timeline straight. 801 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:13.920 That joke doesn't work. It doesn't. That only works if 802 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.280 you haven't introduced will Be yet. But it's like we 803 00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.599 even though her name, so it's like Coltrane was like, 804 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.559 who's gonna fall for us? It's like, geg, I'm with you. 805 00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.480 I actually did get a little bit of a chuckle 806 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:27.599 out of that, but you're right, because it was still 807 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:32.480 sort of awkward in that, like this joke sure, I 808 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:34.599 chuckled a little bit, but yeah, it could have done 809 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.800 better because then it could have been done better because 810 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:37.840 then it does raise. 811 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.360 The question of who was that guy? Where did he 812 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:41.360 really come from? 813 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.079 Where'd he come from, and where'd he go? And could 814 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:45.840 I follow him instead for a little bit? 815 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.039 Yeah, yeah, and it is like, well, why isn't he 816 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.599 her partner and what happened to her partner? 817 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.039 You mentioned novelizations like plural. 818 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:59.760 Were there a lot and were they more accurate to 819 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:00.800 what script was? 820 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.000 Well? I didn't look through everything, but there were three 821 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.519 novelizations that were done, and they were done for different 822 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.079 age groups. I mean, they were really going to town 823 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.960 with this. So they had one which was basically a 824 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.039 story book with pictures and a little bit of text, 825 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.000 like maybe a paragraph at the bottom, that was maybe 826 00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.639 like twenty four pages. Then you got the more intermediate 827 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.119 one where it's like, you know, Eddie flashed awake. I 828 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.079 was reading the first pages of all these to make 829 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.119 sure that they were different, and that one starts with 830 00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:36.159 him waking up, and then the next one is the 831 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.760 older one, and that's like one hundred and twenty four pages, 832 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.559 and that one starts with the murder. But it's played down, 833 00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.760 So I mean, really, we keep talking about how this 834 00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.239 is a kid's film, but I don't think it was 835 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.079 supposed to be a kid's film. I think it just 836 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.280 kind of turned into a kid's film because it's pretty 837 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:54.760 adult in different parts of it. 838 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.440 I want to compliment the writer as well, though, because 839 00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.880 the script is really well written. If I was reading, 840 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.800 I'm like, this is evocative, and it's this is somebody 841 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:04.320 who's got to grasp on what they're doing. 842 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:04.719 It's not. 843 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.800 It's not inept or clunky or poorly put across. And 844 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.960 I did really like the Last Start Fighter as well. 845 00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:14.679 He's got chops. It's just that for whatever reason, and 846 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:18.280 it seems like it was an absolute mindful of a 847 00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.960 production that he just he wasn't set up to succeed 848 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.960 and directing his own material didn't really help him. He's 849 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.639 a good writer, it's just I wouldn't class them as 850 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.400 a good director based on this film. 851 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.400 Well, I wonder how many how many sacrifices he had 852 00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:35.159 to make, Like. 853 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:38.119 How many all the times did did he die and 854 00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:41.960 have to come back and try to make this into something, 855 00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.079 because yeah, it just it's really rough, And yeah, I agree, 856 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.400 I liked that script, and I really wish that we. 857 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.519 Had had that script as the film that we saw, 858 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.480 because this film it's not good. 859 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:55.519 Joe Dante would have had a field day with this. 860 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.440 Oh yeah, used the same. Was it rab Boteam that 861 00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:03.159 did this better effects? For Explorers? Was that the one 862 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.440 where it's like those creatures were amazing? 863 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.440 In this one, it did always feel like it had 864 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:13.039 the tone of a kid's movie the final product of it. Like, 865 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.480 to me, it never felt like I was sitting there going, 866 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.360 this is a kid's movie, because even when there is 867 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.519 like a murder or something like that in it, it's 868 00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.719 always acted like it's a kid's movie. It never really 869 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.519 feels like it switched tones that dark, Like even when 870 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.440 a guy is being tortured for information, I mean, Theodore 871 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.199 is just breathing nasty breath on him and belging in 872 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:41.519 his face and stuff like that. Whereas I might have 873 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:45.960 gotten some like unintentional laughs if if suddenly it was 874 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.559 like a dark thriller, or again, if it was like 875 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:51.760 the script and that was the tone of the of 876 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:54.239 the whole thing, then yeah, that would that would make 877 00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:55.440 it far more fascinating. 878 00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:58.320 I not a genuine compliment they're gonna pay the film 879 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:02.760 is I think. I thought the score was really well done, 880 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.760 and it's Robert Folk, who did a sventchour before this, 881 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.679 so it's not a shoddy sound the like kind of orchestration. 882 00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.000 It was actually you know, it started off and I thought, ought, 883 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.599 I've put some f behind this. This is a real 884 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.920 composer work here. That was good. Unfortunately, just didn't have 885 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.760 the material to support the music, but I like to 886 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.199 work there. I like the music well done. 887 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.800 Theodore Rex did it ever have trailers play in movie theaters? Because, 888 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.199 like I said at the beginning, I swear I saw 889 00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:32.079 a trailer. 890 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:32.559 For this in the theater. 891 00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:36.079 That's a really good question. I imagined that they did 892 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.760 at some point, because I think that dumping it on 893 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.800 video was really a last minute decision. Well it was 894 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:44.639 last minute, but then it took a few months. That's 895 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.960 why I was talking about the was it ninety five 896 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.440 to ninety six or ninety four to ninety five, because 897 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.719 I think the film was done and ready to be 898 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:58.760 released as a Christmas release and then it got delayed 899 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.719 and dumped on video in February of the next year. 900 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:05.000 And yeah, it was such a scandal that this big 901 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.679 budget movie was getting dumped on video and that just 902 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.039 wasn't done at the time. 903 00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:11.480 But no, no, that's just Netflix. 904 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.599 Yeah, exactly how people are just like, okay, yeah whatever, 905 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.000 you know, well, yeah, oh, you're not going to show 906 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:18.559 that theatrically okay whatever. 907 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:20.519 Did it make its money back? 908 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:22.480 I don't think it did? 909 00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:23.480 Yeah? 910 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:24.760 How could it look here? 911 00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:25.400 Yeah? 912 00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.960 I mean because it was thirty three point five million 913 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:28.719 to make this thing? 914 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.119 Did this even end up on DVD? 915 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.840 I I want to say. 916 00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.400 Yes, how many copies do you have? For all of 917 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.880 the reasons provided in my answer, which is incorporated herein 918 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.360 in its entirety, I declined to answer the question. 919 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.280 The whole thing's available for free on YouTube, and when 920 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.159 you finish it, it does say if you liked this, 921 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.480 check out prehysteria was prehysteria? 922 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.199 Was that the same little shitty kid from h from 923 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:01.119 Last Action Hero In? 924 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:01.280 Ye? 925 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.079 Okay, That's why I never watch it because he was 926 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:06.119 on the cover and I was just like, fuck that kid, 927 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:07.599 I fucking hate last night. 928 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:08.360 We're not there. 929 00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:10.400 On an opening weekend of My Girl. 930 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:11.400 Too, I was not. 931 00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:14.559 No, does he die from bees in that as well? 932 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.639 Does she keep just going out with that have Oh wow, 933 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.199 tell McCauley, I did this. 934 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:23.079 It was me. 935 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.079 You guys are actually making me want to see this 936 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.119 movie now. I also wasn't there on opening weekend for 937 00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:30.840 My Girl too. 938 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:33.719 There's that weird thing where it sounds like he's gonna 939 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.000 spit a loogie and he's just like over the dead 940 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.280 dinosaur and making all these horrific noises, and then he 941 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.719 finally just reaches into the into the nostril and brings 942 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.360 out the little piece of butterfly that's there. These butterfly 943 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:51.440 bombs are kind of wild. And that whole scene of 944 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:54.320 them going to what do they call them, the Toymaker. 945 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:58.079 His name is like the Silver Samurai and in the script, 946 00:49:58.480 --> 00:50:01.320 but the toy Maker, And and that scene with the 947 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:05.840 Kyoto brothers doing puppetry and voices, Holy shit, does that 948 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.199 go on forever? 949 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:12.559 That was so strange. It just it shifted into puppet Master, 950 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:14.480 and I was like, what is going on now? This 951 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:18.280 is bizarre. This felt like we're there were probably viewing 952 00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:20.000 dailies and thinking we've got to yuck it up here. 953 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:22.599 This is just not fun enough. And you could just 954 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.039 tell Woopy just didn't give a shit. She's sitting there 955 00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.199 looking at at a medical kit bag and talking to 956 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.320 a puppet, and it's like, what a hat on a 957 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:32.800 hat on a hat and a hat on a hat. 958 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:33.039 It was. 959 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:37.039 She got a raise for it, Yeah, didn't they pay. 960 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.360 Her extra in order to convince them to do it? 961 00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.000 So you know the thing about this film is that 962 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:45.119 the low behind the making of it is genuinely far 963 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.920 more interesting than the film itself. That if you come 964 00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.760 to the film wanting to see what they made a 965 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:55.159 result of, like all that tortured negotiations and stuff, it's 966 00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.400 such a letter and you're better off just reading up 967 00:50:57.400 --> 00:50:59.280 about the film and looking into the behind the scenes 968 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:03.920 and documentaries. Film is just softunately dull, like really dull. 969 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:05.840 My wife said that too. 970 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.239 When my wife got home from work that day, I 971 00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.920 was like, oh, I had to watch Theodore Rix earlier. 972 00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:15.159 Her reaction was just you. 973 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.079 And then she mentioned that she and her sister they 974 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.480 also like watching bad movies like this all the time. 975 00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.880 Like I was with them once where we were all 976 00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:27.880 watching Gooby together, you know, that kind of bad movie. 977 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.119 So this when she mentioned her and her sister tried 978 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.920 watching this, I was like, yeah, that makes all the 979 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.519 sense in the world. But She said they only made 980 00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.000 it like fifteen or twenty minutes in because they just 981 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:42.760 weren't even getting any genuine or unintentional laughs out of it. 982 00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:43.840 They were just kind of bored. 983 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.480 And I said to her, it's one of those bad 984 00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:50.639 movies where your opinion of it either way, is not 985 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.880 going to change beyond ten minutes of the movie. Whatever 986 00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.679 you think of this movie at first, it's going to 987 00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:58.960 be that through the rest of it, and. 988 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.639 You opening ten minutes best ten minutes of the whole film. 989 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:06.039 I think explosions and kind of demolition man vobes on 990 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:09.159 a budget, and then it's like the more that you're 991 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.360 told what's going on, the less you care. 992 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.800 This movie has such an opportunity to go to this 993 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.280 extinct species club and have like a dance number or 994 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.320 something like. I was like, where is Walk the Dinosaur? 995 00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.519 Where was not was in this movie and us doing 996 00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:30.119 a whole thing of Walk the Dinosaur? Come on, There's 997 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.679 an opportunity right there, and nobody took it. 998 00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.119 Thank God. 999 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.360 That's why Super Mario Brothers was the better movie. They 1000 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:38.639 played it on the soundtrack of. 1001 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:41.960 That exactly, which didn't make a lot of sense there 1002 00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.800 because there is really only Yoshi in that one. 1003 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.880 Super Mario Boarders, though, is a film where you can 1004 00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:49.719 get a lot of enjoyment out of it because it's 1005 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.400 so extravagant and somebody effects not our great, but this 1006 00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:58.760 is just it's a Saturday morning kids film done for 1007 00:52:58.800 --> 00:52:59.599 Canadian TV. 1008 00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.280 Yeah, the fart jokes, there's the scene where he starts 1009 00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:07.079 impersonating Jack Nicholson and Arnold Schwarzenegger. I'm just like, where 1010 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:11.400 is this coming from? This is very odd, the all 1011 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.199 of the little things where they're you know, because you're 1012 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.119 talking about alien nation, and the thing that I like 1013 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.719 about that is like this is a really thought out 1014 00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.880 world and they really talk about like all right, look 1015 00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.599 at you know the magazine covers on the at the 1016 00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:28.280 news stand, have you know, the the visitors there, and 1017 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.159 like everything is kind of tailored and you see how 1018 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:33.360 they live in a ghetto and stuff, and it's just 1019 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:35.239 like you don't really get that. Like I said, you 1020 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:39.119 see dinosaurs in certain spaces where they're like Okay, here's 1021 00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:43.480 the funeral, here's the ceremony, here's the bar, But otherwise 1022 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.840 you don't really see him walking around, you know, and 1023 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.480 it's not like, oh, there's two like when they go 1024 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:51.440 to that little kid's restaurant, and he's just like, oh, 1025 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.800 you got to come over tomorrow and my dad's going 1026 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:55.880 to be there and blah blah blah. But you don't 1027 00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.000 see dinosaurs walking around on the street. It's just all 1028 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:02.000 extras just walking around. And then the crazy thing, and 1029 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.760 I don't get this whatsoever. The crazy thing is like 1030 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.119 this little kid is like, hey, whoop be Goldberg. My 1031 00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.400 mom apparently is gone, so here's my I want to 1032 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:14.920 introduce you to my dad. You really need to get 1033 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.079 out more. I think you'd be really great if you 1034 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:21.159 dated my dad. And then at the very end of 1035 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:25.400 the movie, at the ceremony, his dad is there and 1036 00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:31.320 the kid goes, that's my dad, but the audio goes. 1037 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:35.320 Hey, I'm so hid you, and it's not. 1038 00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:39.679 That kid's voice whatsoever, but you see his mouth mouthing, 1039 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:41.559 Oh god, I'm. 1040 00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:42.800 So brawdy, you're sweetie. 1041 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.719 They also make a really hard pivot just before the 1042 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:50.119 finale where they tried to tack on this anti gun 1043 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:54.679 message where she tells him op until he's just been 1044 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:58.079 knocking things over with his tail. But no, she's convincing him, 1045 00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.679 use your mind to stop these guys getting away. In 1046 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:04.599 a cheap Give me your gun. 1047 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.079 I can't what I can't. 1048 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:08.960 Katie, Give me your gun. 1049 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.280 This is no time to play around. 1050 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:11.239 Give me it. 1051 00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:13.639 You might have been right. It kills me to say 1052 00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:14.920 this might have been right. 1053 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.199 Use something a little better than a gun. 1054 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:19.559 Oh Katie, Look, all this time you've been telling me 1055 00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.440 a good cop uses a gun, right, So what are 1056 00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:22.199 you telling me now? 1057 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:23.159 I was wrong? 1058 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:25.639 Your brain? 1059 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.000 Use your brain. 1060 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:33.199 All right, brain's over bullets. 1061 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:40.039 Yeah, let's do it. Oh, partner, Wait a minute, you said. 1062 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:40.559 The P word. 1063 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:42.840 Yeah I did. Good luck? 1064 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:44.760 Okay, yeah you. 1065 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:45.760 Too, partner? 1066 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.800 Oh yeah, is that worked so well? In side Hackers 1067 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.159 is like, no, dude, you need a gun. You can't run, 1068 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:57.199 you can't drive, you're always knocking over shit. 1069 00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.480 Will be he's trying to stop the apocket. Let him 1070 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.679 shoot the guys for fuck's sake. 1071 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:03.880 Well, yeah, but this is a kid's movie, like you 1072 00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.719 were saying, So we can't show that. We can show 1073 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:12.880 Stephen McCatty crashing his car and exploding floating. Yeah, the 1074 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:17.760 most explosive billboard ever. And then here's Arman Mueller stall 1075 00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:22.960 strung up and in this jeep seat. And then we 1076 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:24.800 just fade to the next scene, like I had to 1077 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:26.760 rewind it three times last night. I was like, wait 1078 00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.480 a second, what just happened? I looked, did I look 1079 00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:30.119 down again? 1080 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:30.400 Like? 1081 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.679 What happened to armand Mueller stall? We never see We 1082 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:35.480 just never find that out. 1083 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.239 He got a call from his agent. He's in Shine. 1084 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.719 I'm about to wind to Oscar. Please leave me alone. 1085 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:44.199 I get the vibe as well. It was like that, 1086 00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:47.880 not because they were cutting it to ribbons in the editing, 1087 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.840 but that I just didn't get the footage. That's the vibe. 1088 00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.639 I yet, it was all masters pretty much. It was 1089 00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.400 just everyone walking into white shot and standing there and 1090 00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:02.440 exposing exposition. Okay, this is just get what you can 1091 00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.519 and move on. I loved it. 1092 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.719 Yeah, I could tell that you love this movie. I 1093 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:11.119 could really tell that this is probably one for the 1094 00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:11.920 ages for you. 1095 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.280 Yeah, like you didn't watch this movie twice because you 1096 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:15.719 had to. 1097 00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.280 I was watching it. I was thinking to myself, I 1098 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:22.679 didn't expect to be empathizing and sympathizing with Whoopy Goldberg 1099 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:25.880 where she got into this mess because she said yes 1100 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:29.519 and then felt the deed to sue the producers to 1101 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:32.079 get out of it. I thought, yeah, you know, I 1102 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.119 got into this mess of watching this film by saying 1103 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:36.920 yes to Mike, and if I had the resources, I 1104 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:38.559 would sue him, but I can't, so. 1105 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.239 I don't even have an answering machine message to play 1106 00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:43.400 back as proof. 1107 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.599 For the moment I hit play. It was the longest 1108 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:47.079 three and a half hours in my life. 1109 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:49.840 Any rate I think of behind the scenes of this 1110 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.599 would be wonderful to watch. I mean, you know, if 1111 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.039 those people that made that, you know, the making of 1112 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:58.199 the Godfather thing, if they want to start tackling Theodore Rex, 1113 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.000 I would definitely improve. 1114 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.639 But she doesn't even speak about it. Though she wouldn't 1115 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:03.840 even mention the film by name. 1116 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.000 I've seen her mention it she because that was one 1117 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:08.519 thing I looked up afterwards. 1118 00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:10.239 She doesn't mention it. 1119 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:15.000 Often, but there is an episode of the View where 1120 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:18.960 she talked the subject came up of projects that they 1121 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:23.840 regret the most, and she mentioned this, and she talks 1122 00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.239 about how there are people who mentioned that they like it. 1123 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:29.599 She mentions, like a producer. 1124 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.840 On the show is just like, oh, no, I love 1125 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.400 that movie or something like that, and Whoopy Goldberg was 1126 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.480 just kind of sitting there going, yeah, I'll see people 1127 00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.280 say that to me. Sometimes and I don't get it. 1128 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.760 She's like that movie wasn't made for anybody. 1129 00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:48.000 The production designer said that he is such an awful 1130 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.119 time working with her on this film that he can 1131 00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.360 no longer stand to watch her in anything. He has 1132 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:55.159 to turn over the channel if she pops up in 1133 00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:55.880 a film running. 1134 00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.320 It was more than she just simply wanted to be there, 1135 00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.639 which she actually like really hard to work with on 1136 00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:03.440 the movie at times. 1137 00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:05.960 Some people say that she was difficult, and others say 1138 00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:08.920 that she she came around and that her co star, 1139 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:12.440 the guy that played the puppeteer guy who played Teddy Rex, 1140 00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.519 so she was lovely, and that they bonded and she'd 1141 00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:18.679 host his family and stuff like that. But she said 1142 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.719 that the crew that began the film, by the time 1143 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:23.639 they got to the end, it was an entirely different 1144 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:25.800 crew that had been so much turnover that it was 1145 00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:27.639 like ninety nine percent of the people were no longer 1146 00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:29.559 the same when they got to the end of it. 1147 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.639 It was really a troubled production, and she banned the 1148 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.679 producers off the set. She agreed to do the film 1149 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:39.000 as long as they never appeared, and one day one 1150 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.000 of the guys, Stefan turned up for some reason, and 1151 00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.480 she walked past him and went like motherfucker. That was 1152 00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:48.079 their only interaction. 1153 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.800 We've talked so many times on this series about what 1154 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.119 was supposed to be Bruce Willis, who was in this role. 1155 00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:55.679 It was supposed to be this person I was in 1156 00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:58.079 this role, and like so many times, we've had the 1157 00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.920 race swap, the genders wop, you know, just so many things, 1158 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.679 and then this one again we do. I think the 1159 01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.880 idea of casting an African American just period man or 1160 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:14.199 woman in this role it's really interesting and really not 1161 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:16.760 the right thing to do because so much of this 1162 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:23.119 is about systematic racism against dinosaurs in this world, and 1163 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.960 to have this African American actor actress in this role, 1164 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.480 like she should be much more empathetic to their plight, 1165 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.760 but instead it's just like, oh, yeah, fuck dinosaurs, I 1166 01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:37.119 fucking hate dinosaurs. 1167 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:39.079 It should be an Irish American cop. 1168 01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:43.280 Well, yeah, the what was it? A Coltrane? I can't 1169 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:47.480 remember the guy's name from the script, and he just 1170 01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:49.920 reminded me of like, I don't know, axe cop or 1171 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.199 one of these guys with like the big mustache, you know, 1172 01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:53.679 and I was just like, oh, okay, well I can 1173 01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:57.599 see him being a racist piece of shit against dinosaurs, 1174 01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.400 and then eventually throughout the movie he starts to change 1175 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:03.800 and it becomes a big deal. But at the end 1176 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:08.159 when he calls Teddy his partner, but instead it's just like, wait, 1177 01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:10.760 what are you doing here, lady, Like you should be 1178 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.519 much more sympathetic to this guy who they won't let 1179 01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.280 be a police officer, and when they do, it's a 1180 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.559 token police officer. I'm like, hello, Like at Deoi, Yeah, 1181 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:26.920 it's a Dei higher basically a Dino Dei source. 1182 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:29.559 Wasn't it meant to be Val Kilmore? That was the 1183 01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:30.679 name that I saw floated. 1184 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:33.960 I saw Vlcomer and Kurt Russell at one point Kurt 1185 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:34.880 Russell I saw. 1186 01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:38.199 Yeah. It's similar to like Happy. 1187 01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:41.920 Time Murders in that regard where when you look at 1188 01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:45.920 what the cast was, what the idea was beforehand, it 1189 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.480 made way more sense than who ended up being in it. 1190 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:52.840 I think Melissa McCarthy's better in that than what p 1191 01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:56.400 Goldberg was here. But when you look at other names, 1192 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.679 it's like, yeah, that makes way more sense for this 1193 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:02.960 kind of hard ed cop character, Like like if Kurt 1194 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.000 Russell was in this film, or if. 1195 01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.679 Bob Hoskins hadn't done quite similar in Who for a 1196 01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:11.519 Bunch of Rabbits, you would have probably suited this, But 1197 01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:13.519 I don't think you could. You could have saved this 1198 01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:17.559 film by just changing the cast. I think this is 1199 01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:21.920 the whole execution is just off, and it's too difficult 1200 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.159 to pull off this concept, you know, in live action. 1201 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:27.440 It had to be animation or or just don't do it. 1202 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:31.480 Animation would definitely work. I can for sure see that. 1203 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.000 I'm actually surprised that they didn't go ahead and do 1204 01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:38.119 an animated sequel. At some point. I know that it 1205 01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:40.559 probably made so little money that they're just like, no, 1206 01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:42.800 this thing is dead. We're never going to do it again. 1207 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:46.400 But an animated sequel or even like a Saturday Morning 1208 01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.400 cartoon show, for me, this that makes a lot more 1209 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:53.320 sense than something like Beetlejuice or Rambo or some of 1210 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:57.519 these other ones. Robo Cop, you know, like I said, 1211 01:02:57.559 --> 01:02:59.840 there's some similarities here too with RoboCop. 1212 01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:03.679 Yeah, Dinosaurs and Cops is a great concept for a 1213 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:09.239 boys cartoon. If you went more exaggerated with whatever this is, 1214 01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:11.440 I guess it would be a good double feature with 1215 01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.880 like Howard the Doc, although that is a masterpiece in 1216 01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:15.599 comparison to this. 1217 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:17.920 All Right, we're going to take break and we'll be 1218 01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:20.840 back with an interview with writer director Jonathan Betchel. Right 1219 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:22.760 after these brief messages. 1220 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.800 Bring Home Better Man by on Digital Now. Experience the 1221 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.039 recovery and redemption of pop star Robbie Williams in the 1222 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:37.199 most original musical ever made from Michael Gracie, the visionary 1223 01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.639 director of the Greatest Showman. 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September fifth 1242 01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:56.119 is now on digital, based on true events at the 1243 01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.960 nineteen seventy two Olympics and the hostage crisis that changed 1244 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:06.280 media coverage. Forever, starring Peter Sarsgard, John Macgaro, Ben Chaplin, 1245 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:11.280 and Leoni Benish by or Rent September fifth on Fandango 1246 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:15.960 at Home, now rated PG from Paramount Pictures. 1247 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:22.480 We spoke a while ago about The Last Starfighter, and 1248 01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:27.239 I'm so curious as far as how Theodore Rex came about. 1249 01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:32.199 Well, it was a spec script that I wrote, and 1250 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.280 it was just sort of a fantasy that I thought, gee, 1251 01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.239 you know, it would be kind of cool if we 1252 01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:43.159 went against the grain of everything known in the genre 1253 01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:46.880 at the time, mixing a dinosaur with the detective and 1254 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:49.920 for the science that was required you were automatically in 1255 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:53.119 the future and things like that. So I wrote this 1256 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:55.239 was back in the golden age of specs, you know, 1257 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.960 where every week there was another script out, and you 1258 01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:03.920 know when writers justifiably so we're getting ungodly amounts of 1259 01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:07.920 money before being tortured to death and thrown out the bus. 1260 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:11.159 You know. It went out, It got some good reads, 1261 01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.280 and it went to a producer by the name of 1262 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.599 rich Abramson. He had raised some money before for other 1263 01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:23.400 independent movies, and he said he could put it all together. 1264 01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:27.840 He did. It took a lot longer, as they always 1265 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:32.119 do in these cases than you hope for pre production. 1266 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.119 We're about to go, We're about to go. We're about 1267 01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:39.239 to go. Phase was about a year, and then came 1268 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:42.239 the point of the money was there, and then it 1269 01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:46.039 was looking for a star, which is its own kind 1270 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:51.159 of adventure, to say the least. The investor by the 1271 01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:55.400 name of Stefano Ferrari entered the picture. He was a 1272 01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:59.159 brave soul. It was kind of trial by fire. The 1273 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:01.960 thing was with the picture, there was nothing off the 1274 01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.920 shelf about it. Mike, you know, you couldn't really just 1275 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:09.239 say okay, exterior windmill et cetera, et cetera, and everyone 1276 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.119 knew what it was. It just sort of, by its 1277 01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:19.079 very nature, needed intense design. So Bill Stout, a renowned illustrator, 1278 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:23.480 came aboard and started doing the production boards and illustrations 1279 01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:29.440 in the beginning. And that process is a lot of fun, frankly, 1280 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.920 because no one is attaching a number to the fantasies 1281 01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:37.039 on the production illustrations. Yet you kind of come down 1282 01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:39.599 to earth when people say, well, yeah, kind of it 1283 01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:42.039 looks good, but it's going to cost this, this and this, 1284 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:47.079 and suddenly your moves, everything you do is sort of 1285 01:07:47.159 --> 01:07:50.239 cost it out by comparison. That's kind of a drag. 1286 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:54.880 We were out to actors during that period of time 1287 01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.920 and got some interesting reads and responses. 1288 01:07:58.880 --> 01:07:59.119 You know. 1289 01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:01.840 It's kind of like, I guess these days would be 1290 01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.840 going through Tinder saying who's going to fit, who likes you, 1291 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:08.599 and who you like and see hopefully that they wind 1292 01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:11.360 up on the same page. But I met a guy 1293 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:13.519 named Larry Finch, who I believe was one of the 1294 01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.600 producers on it on the end credits, and he said, 1295 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.960 we were looking at of all things, to invest in 1296 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:26.279 a restaurant together, and he said, what do you do, 1297 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:28.960 And I told him, and what kind of script you 1298 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.039 are you doing? Now? And I told him he said, hey, 1299 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:36.399 you know, I'm good friends with Whoopy Goldberg and I 1300 01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:39.079 should show this to her. And you know, it's one 1301 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.840 of these things that you hear in town and you say, right, 1302 01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:44.680 I'm good friends. 1303 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:45.640 With so and so, you know. 1304 01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:48.840 So I told the producer that was in London at 1305 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:52.039 the time, I said, I got a call saying that 1306 01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:55.680 Whoopy Goldberg is coming to the office on Monday. I said, 1307 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.039 do you want to try to get back? He said, now, 1308 01:08:58.079 --> 01:08:59.720 you know I'll never make it back. And you know, 1309 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.439 don't believe everything a hear. So that Monday, wood Be 1310 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:07.720 walked in and I said, Whoopee, could you do you 1311 01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:10.199 mind if we make a phone call please? So we 1312 01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:14.600 called Abramston in London and I said, hey, Rich, you 1313 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:16.880 sitting down, I have someone wants to talk to you. 1314 01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:22.199 And Whoopee got on the phone and excoriated him, said 1315 01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:24.359 so wouldn't get on a plane for me? 1316 01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:26.199 Huh well, and. 1317 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.000 That that's sort of how it all started. 1318 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.560 I read it a draft of the script in early 1319 01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.720 one and it was from April of ninety two. You 1320 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:38.680 were talking about how long it takes to get a 1321 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:42.079 project to get that green light. That sounds like a 1322 01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.479 long time because it was what three years before it 1323 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.039 actually comes out. 1324 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:49.199 Yeah, and you know, the scar tissue has really grown 1325 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:52.880 over Mike, you know, so I don't you know exactly 1326 01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:55.359 it could be that, you know, but going out and 1327 01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:59.600 raising money independently. I believe it was about thirty five 1328 01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:05.560 million really for a picture that wasn't how can I 1329 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:09.560 say easy to typecast? Is it an action picture? Is 1330 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.600 it a drama or a romantic comedy? Well, you know, 1331 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.079 maybe it's a little of each, and it's about a 1332 01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:20.359 talking dinosaur. It had an identity problem in that respect 1333 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:27.199 for the financial people, but we got over that step 1334 01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:31.119 by step. And you know, I think the other thing 1335 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:33.880 at the time that might have indvertently helped was that 1336 01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:36.840 Barney was such a big success. I don't know if 1337 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:41.840 it's financial hurt, instinct or what, but I remember thinking, 1338 01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:47.000 purple dinosaur, What what am I talking about? I got 1339 01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:50.520 a talking dinosaur that's a police, a policeman, you know, 1340 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:56.439 in retrospect. In some ways, technically speaking, the task was 1341 01:10:56.560 --> 01:11:02.800 enormous to have a physical, nine foot tall animatronic dinosaur 1342 01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:07.960 worked by puppeteers, all of whom were Henson graduates. In 1343 01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:13.079 one way or another, was still an overwhelming task, especially 1344 01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.039 since we live in the age of CG now. That 1345 01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:21.640 would have really made life a bit easier, perhaps a 1346 01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:24.960 little more expensive. But sometimes you make it up in 1347 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:26.720 other ways in terms of you're not going to wait 1348 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.960 for a couple of times the eyes were off, so 1349 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:32.640 the eyelights were not right, and you'd go when you 1350 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.159 look at the dinosaur, and when I was this way 1351 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:37.960 and when I was that way, you just at some 1352 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:43.279 points felt at the mercy of technology way. But yeah, 1353 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:48.079 it did take a while. And then new Line Bob Say, 1354 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:52.960 buccaneer and pioneer that he was, came in and said, well, 1355 01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:57.760 we'll distribute it. That helped a lot. It was a 1356 01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:03.840 medium sized shoot, sixty seventy days, and it's one of 1357 01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:05.840 those things where it's sort of a growing experience and 1358 01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:07.760 you kind of know how to do the movie after 1359 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:11.199 you've done it. When I remember looking over and there 1360 01:12:11.239 --> 01:12:14.119 was Whoopee standing there alone, there was a dinosaur next 1361 01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:17.199 to her, and twenty feet away with cords and cables 1362 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:21.039 were ten guys pulling levers and pulleys, and it just 1363 01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:24.880 felt like wow, kind of like the Wright Brothers, you know, 1364 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:28.000 just is this going to get off the ground or what. 1365 01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:31.880 But so it was fun, you know, and the idea 1366 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:35.359 was to make a little comic book kind of fantasy 1367 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:42.119 about the Dinosaur with a green themed bad guy, you 1368 01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:47.119 know that thing. Arman Muller Stall was the bad guy. 1369 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:50.319 He was he was a blast. So, you know, it 1370 01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:52.880 was just sort of one of these things where I think, 1371 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:57.880 and you've interviewed enough escaped mental patients in this business 1372 01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.359 to know that you wonder a time how anything gets made, 1373 01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:05.119 anything that gets clean lit, you know. And it's funny 1374 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.279 you referenced like the three years that it took putting 1375 01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:12.039 it together. I think we all went home more nights 1376 01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:15.159 than not thinking, oh my gosh, this is never going 1377 01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.600 to come through, you know, because it becomes a balancing 1378 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.520 act the finances, the design, the timing and all that. 1379 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:26.479 Then you get a release date and you're you're up 1380 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.560 against a clock that's ticking. When you've got post production 1381 01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:33.600 that's so involved with something like this, Because all the 1382 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:39.560 Dinosaur's lines had to be dubbed obviously, and Will we 1383 01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:44.119 had previous commitments that had to be honored as well. 1384 01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:48.319 So it's just sort of like a circus to say 1385 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:52.840 the least, you know, and that was that was that 1386 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:56.640 was it. I I kind of went from that wanting 1387 01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.199 to do a nice small movie where you could say go, 1388 01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:03.119 and it just happened. At the end of the day 1389 01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:07.560 you had something that was a finished product in a way, 1390 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:12.079 you know. And the other thing is it's seductive because 1391 01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:15.760 when you write a script, it's also easy on paper. 1392 01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:20.840 You know, it's very manageable intellectually. But then suddenly you 1393 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:22.560 get up at four in the morning and you get 1394 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:25.159 there and it looks like the end of the world 1395 01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:29.159 with all the preparation going on, you know, and to 1396 01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.479 stay on target in terms of tone, shut out the 1397 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:34.720 rest of the world and focus just on what's in 1398 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:39.279 front of you takes a special kind of well, I 1399 01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.800 guess focus, you know, to shut out the noise and 1400 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:45.800 just looking what in front of you. I really had 1401 01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:48.479 to think long and hard about writing another science fiction 1402 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.239 picture after that. There was just so many ancillary considerations 1403 01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:59.479 to it. The process was exhausting. The days were long 1404 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:04.439 because you could never project when you could finish because 1405 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:07.720 it was technologically so difficult. If you did it now, 1406 01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:10.640 I'm coming back to that point, you would, you know, 1407 01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:13.359 the rule is that usually we'll fix it and post. 1408 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.520 These days we'll make it and post, you know, because 1409 01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.239 so much of it comes together. Now. I found co 1410 01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:24.920 founded a visual effects company, Loom Pictures, and we've done 1411 01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:28.560 a lot of big pictures and many times after the 1412 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:32.640 shooting it was still a blank slate, you know, it's 1413 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:36.039 just actors in front of green screens and things like that. 1414 01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:40.560 Once what becomes a board. Do you have to do rewrites? 1415 01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:43.920 Do you change it to meet her comedic style in 1416 01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:44.319 a way? 1417 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:50.279 Yes, yes, for her delivery and to write towards her 1418 01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:53.560 character and the way she would design it, and that 1419 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:57.319 that's kind of fun. I never usually write for actors, 1420 01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:01.840 because you'll fall in love with actor that you love 1421 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:06.319 for the part, and invariably they are committed, don't respond 1422 01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:10.680 or whatever, and then suddenly you know it's unrequited love. 1423 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:14.359 Once an actor comes on, it's very nice to have, 1424 01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:18.560 which is what we had. Whoopy wanting to be as 1425 01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:22.600 much a creator of her character as as as writing, 1426 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:25.479 and I, you know, I always kind of welcome that, 1427 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:29.720 you know, because it's nice to have the actors that 1428 01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:33.520 breed life into the characters. Because I think writers sometimes 1429 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:35.600 sit down and do a screenplay, and as much as 1430 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.520 they think it's well rounded, it's the actors that breathe 1431 01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:41.880 the life into it, you know, and studying techniques of 1432 01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:46.239 directors and how they compose their characters. It's nice to 1433 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.199 hear when I mean, for instance, Jason Sudeikis on Ted 1434 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:54.199 Lasso was very much a part of making that character 1435 01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:57.920 who he was and really making it sing on all levels. 1436 01:16:57.920 --> 01:16:58.640 And whoopy did that? 1437 01:16:59.520 --> 01:16:59.720 You know? 1438 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:05.119 Will Bee is kind of overwhelmingly talented in a way. 1439 01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:09.239 She's very bright, and she doesn't like it. Just run 1440 01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:14.199 for the hills, you know, just did and she always 1441 01:17:14.920 --> 01:17:17.159 she's one of these people that knows the jobs of 1442 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:20.359 everybody on the set better than they do probably and 1443 01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:24.119 she doesn't spare the horses when it comes to that. 1444 01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:30.479 So yeah, she was a good collaborator and I think 1445 01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:34.119 surprised about the movie in certain ways, you know, because 1446 01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:38.520 again it's not something that jumps off the page. Just gee, 1447 01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:43.680 I will do what was it the Nun picture? She did? First, 1448 01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:45.960 it's her act and then this it's kind of a leap, 1449 01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:48.760 but she has the range to do that. It's too 1450 01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:52.000 bad she doesn't do more movies these days that sometimes 1451 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:55.279 you can tell pictures that are just flat. You know, 1452 01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:59.720 it's others the actors are really bringing it all together. 1453 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:04.079 And someone once said that if you have a gifted actor, 1454 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:08.439 they bring you gifts. The trick is to don't pull 1455 01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:11.640 so hard on the reins, let them go, to have 1456 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:16.119 a wisdom to know when to steer, and remind about guardrails, 1457 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:19.079 especially with writers. I think writers fall in love with 1458 01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:22.359 their words, you know, because you've stared at a page 1459 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:25.680 for a year and a half and then now it's 1460 01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:27.399 got to be no. I think there are many ways 1461 01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:30.760 to say things, as long as certain key elements in 1462 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:34.199 dialogue that are certain plot points, like that black door 1463 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:37.479 has to open. I don't care how you say it. 1464 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:40.680 In fact, bring your own style to it. But let's 1465 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:43.760 talk about the black door in a way. In that sense, 1466 01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.039 it's always fun to watch your own stuff come to life. 1467 01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:50.199 Sometimes you have to stop yourself by it. This is 1468 01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:52.840 the biggest set of electric trains I was ever given. 1469 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:55.640 I'm just the guy to fuck it up, and it's like, 1470 01:18:56.439 --> 01:19:02.199 what's very mindful of the pitfalls. Over time I would 1471 01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:07.319 get notes and emails from people, some of them well 1472 01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:10.319 known people, that were very complementary saying, you know, I 1473 01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:12.960 saw this movie just recently and I didn't see it. 1474 01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:14.960 What the hell happened to it? What was it? This 1475 01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:17.760 was great and this is what, you know, just fortunes 1476 01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:18.119 of war. 1477 01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:23.359 You know, you had been directing since my Science Project, 1478 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.119 if not before. Had you done directing before that? 1479 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.960 No, I hadn't. I hadn't. Just a Science Project came 1480 01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:34.199 about on the strength of the specscript that went out 1481 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:37.600 for auction, I was able to say. And this was 1482 01:19:37.680 --> 01:19:42.760 right after the Last Starfighter, which was very well received, 1483 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:47.680 and was able to get the opportunity through Science Project. 1484 01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:52.960 When Starfighter came out, it was good reviews. Science Project 1485 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.159 came out and was set up almost within a week. 1486 01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:58.319 It was amazing. One of those things that no, this 1487 01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:01.840 is not really Yes, it happened. And then Kim Lamasters 1488 01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:05.520 was running Disney at that time, and he gave gave 1489 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:09.199 me the opportunity to do it, you know, and that 1490 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.119 was an interesting time at Disney, just before Eisner and 1491 01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:15.399 Katzenberg came in. It was the keepers of the flame 1492 01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:19.239 were still there, you know, Woltzkys and things. So picture 1493 01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:24.000 kind of got lost in the shuffle between the immutable 1494 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:25.000 forces of nature. 1495 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:30.079 You have directed things by other writers, if memory serves 1496 01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:33.239 at least one episode of Freddy's Dead, Is that right. 1497 01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:37.960 I have during Freddy's I directed other episodes with other writers. 1498 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.560 But on the whole I've been the guy that, in 1499 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:43.439 order it is set to sea, I've got to build 1500 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:48.600 my own ships. And it's an interesting dilemma because I 1501 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:51.279 went through a long period of time where I thought, Wow, 1502 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:56.039 I'm getting really tired of having to chop down the 1503 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:59.000 tree before I can make a toothpick, you know. And 1504 01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:01.800 then so you know, every once in a while, say 1505 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:03.920 to the guys I was working with, let's see what's 1506 01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:06.399 out there. And I would see what was out there, 1507 01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:12.279 and that was a different layer of Dante's Inferno, you know, 1508 01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:15.279 because you would get the script and they'd say, well, 1509 01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:18.279 you're the first one that's seen this what in this 1510 01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:23.079 zip code? And then suddenly you were dependent upon a 1511 01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:27.399 submission process that you had no control over. You had 1512 01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:31.039 no idea who else had seen it. But now you're 1513 01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:34.479 thinking that the barista Starbucks has passed on it already 1514 01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:37.319 too by the time you get to see it, So 1515 01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:41.079 you're kind of like without a compass in that sense, 1516 01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:45.880 and not that that matters, but you know, clearly things 1517 01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:51.960 work on the the food chain sere concept and depending 1518 01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:54.680 upon where you are, the club you want to belong 1519 01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:57.920 to doesn't want you. Club you don't want to belong. 1520 01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.840 To says hey, what are you doing next? 1521 01:21:59.840 --> 01:21:59.960 One? 1522 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.880 You know? I mean, hell, I went back to writing 1523 01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:07.880 scripts and I wrote another one that right after after 1524 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:13.880 Science Project. It was bought in Greenlit by Columbia again 1525 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:16.720 in a record amount of time, and I spent a 1526 01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:20.640 year in pre production. It was called Tripwire and with 1527 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:27.479 Dan Melnick producing, and that was a growing experience. It 1528 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:31.680 was you know that Dan was brilliant, an old time 1529 01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:38.319 Hollywood producer and fascinating to be around. But you cut 1530 01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.720 yourself on the edges in a way, you know, and 1531 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:44.840 you know the process makes you like that to a degree. 1532 01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:50.720 And about four days from started principal photography, the studio 1533 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:54.800 changed hands and David Putnam came in, so you know, 1534 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:58.880 Caligula is out and I don't know, Hitler's in who knows, 1535 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:02.159 you know, and where it was like, yeah, and what's 1536 01:23:02.199 --> 01:23:03.039 going on here? 1537 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:03.560 You know? 1538 01:23:04.319 --> 01:23:07.319 So that was sort of it. But yeah, on the 1539 01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:12.800 whole I've been writing for myself so I figure there's 1540 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:17.800 there's a natural synergy between writing and directing. It's different 1541 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:20.880 types of megalomania. But if you're just a writer, you 1542 01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:26.000 write the script and then everyone else gets to go 1543 01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:28.119 out on the class trip and have fun on location, 1544 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:32.399 and you stay home, you know, and you wonder what 1545 01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:35.159 are they doing? Are they are they going to the 1546 01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:37.359 circus or what they what does it look like? You know, 1547 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:42.479 it's that a different kind of purgatory that was, you know, 1548 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:46.520 I went back to that process writing directing it. But 1549 01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.560 the other thing is, I think you have to be 1550 01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:53.640 a little aggressive more to be a director. Aggressive in 1551 01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:58.199 the sense where you have to endure hearing yourself talk 1552 01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:02.560 all the time, like having kids, and the kids don't 1553 01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:05.720 listen to you, and maybe when they do the ears 1554 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:08.760 or cock eye they tail. You know, it's just like hey, yeah, yeah, 1555 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:09.159 you're yan. 1556 01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:09.640 You know. 1557 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:13.000 So you say, you keep at it and you stay 1558 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.800 steady with it, and you know, then for a long 1559 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:19.800 period of time, I think I said before, I just 1560 01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:23.600 wanted to do something that didn't and involve visual effects, 1561 01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:27.279 And I wrote a small script about a little boy 1562 01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:32.680 who builds himself a dog without thunderous waves of Because 1563 01:24:32.720 --> 01:24:36.920 now it's CG cg's, especially having a CG company that 1564 01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:41.159 I did for about twenty years, I understand that very 1565 01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:44.520 well now, you know. And in any rate, we have 1566 01:24:44.880 --> 01:24:47.600 offers out to editors for that script now. So scripts 1567 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.119 seem to have a life of their own in a way, 1568 01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:54.079 you know. And it has nothing to do with the 1569 01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:56.439 fact that you finish it. When you think that's over. 1570 01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:00.560 You know, other people reader have other impressions, and you 1571 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.319 gradually get it filtered back to you and think either 1572 01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:08.199 why I don't think, well, I'm an idiot, but it's cocktail time, 1573 01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:13.039 or man, maybe we got some things right. It's funny, 1574 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:15.520 you know, when I talk to other writers now, having 1575 01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.800 been at the game a bit, you can come up 1576 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.359 as you're writing with more more reasons not to write 1577 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:25.239 than to write, you know, because you're so aware of 1578 01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:29.720 the pitfalls and what can go wrong in terms of 1579 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.960 perceptions of the script. And you say to you and 1580 01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:36.279 I know a bunch of them they've been successful and 1581 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:40.600 they they don't want to go through it. It's just 1582 01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:43.359 like and I always felt, hey, I don't care. I'll 1583 01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:47.319 take notes from the cleaning lady, you know, and if 1584 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:51.720 those notes are articulate, and something I missed absolutely. But 1585 01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:56.199 other people are kind of like, this is a script, 1586 01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:01.439 the imperial script. This is I've given my lifeblood to this. 1587 01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:05.039 It's an interesting process and I always loved it because 1588 01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:08.319 it's sort of an art form that nobody sees except 1589 01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:11.119 on the screen. And yet when you think about it, 1590 01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:15.479 it's the emotional core of the entire production. That's where 1591 01:26:15.520 --> 01:26:20.640 everything comes from. The performances, the camera moves, the music, 1592 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:26.720 all melds together to heighten the emotional exposure to an audience, 1593 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:29.920 and either it talks to them or it doesn't. When 1594 01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:33.039 you think that the screenplay is that pebble that rolls 1595 01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:37.800 down the snow bag and becomes something big, then again 1596 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.159 you're either paralyzed or you think, well, what the hell, 1597 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:43.800 let's go, let's try, you know. And I'm kind of 1598 01:26:43.920 --> 01:26:47.800 the type of writer the writing that does like draft 1599 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:52.079 after draft after draft. The first draft is just the 1600 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:56.840 block of marble from which you fashioned the script. And 1601 01:26:57.039 --> 01:27:02.039 I've always been amazed at writers that will gest state 1602 01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:06.159 and gestate, and then they will sit down and write 1603 01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:09.720 it and that's it. I've heard that Robert town was 1604 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:15.520 like that, you know, and it's just fascinating read an article. 1605 01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:20.399 On an interview with god Neil Simon, he said, dating himself, 1606 01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:23.680 he said, I'm not a writer, I'm a rewriter, you know. 1607 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:27.560 So I think in the end Teddy Rex probably had 1608 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:33.039 twenty or thirty rewrites, you know, and some were detours, 1609 01:27:33.119 --> 01:27:35.960 others were I remember going on taking a couple of 1610 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:40.079 weeks off and producer on the show Who Shall Go 1611 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:43.279 Nameless at this point handed me a draft. When I 1612 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:45.439 got back and said, you know, my wife took a 1613 01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:49.640 pass at the script and she worked out all the problems. 1614 01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:52.479 I remember a person whose voice sounded a lot like 1615 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:57.600 mine saying, yes, I mind. But you know, when you're 1616 01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:00.319 in the middle of the picture, as you know you've 1617 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:03.039 heard it thousands of times, you kind of roll with it, 1618 01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:05.840 listen to it, and then figure out workarounds no matter 1619 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:09.920 what happens, because it just hits it from all sides. 1620 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.720 And then the other thing is that in pre production 1621 01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:17.439 you make decisions that six months later, when you're exhausted 1622 01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:20.520 and you've been up eighteen hours, you come face to 1623 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.840 face with and you think to yourself, oh my god, 1624 01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:26.800 how could I have been so you know, and here 1625 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:29.039 it is the donkey has six legs when it shit, 1626 01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:33.720 you know, well what am I doing? It's an amazing process. 1627 01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:37.479 And got to really admire couple if we're going back 1628 01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:40.800 at that age and really saying this is how I 1629 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:43.840 see it, and this is what I want, and I've 1630 01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:48.279 got the money to make it happen. These guys are nice, 1631 01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:52.319 pudgy guys who you know in all of our classes, 1632 01:28:52.399 --> 01:28:55.520 used to run the audio visual department, you know. But 1633 01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:59.079 they're tough. They're tough, they know what they want, they 1634 01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:03.079 know how to get it, and they're charming. I remember 1635 01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:06.479 reading once, I think it was Compley who said, you know, 1636 01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:10.479 it's a team sport, but the day the camera shows up, 1637 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:13.920 it becomes a dictatorship because I'm the first one that 1638 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:14.840 gets executed. 1639 01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:18.239 So you were talking about taking notes from people, even 1640 01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:21.640 the cleaning laby, like you said, once the cameras are ruling. 1641 01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:26.199 Are you allowing for improv? Are you precious about your screenplay? 1642 01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:29.399 Are you open to suggestions then, or is it pretty much, hey, 1643 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.199 this is what we agreed to, this is what we're 1644 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:31.560 going with. 1645 01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:36.359 It really depends upon the context. I'm not precious about words. 1646 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:41.399 I'm very fluid in that respect, and sometimes getting what's 1647 01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:43.439 the point of the scene. You know where you have 1648 01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.319 to wind up, you know, on your left foot or 1649 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:50.039 your right foot. And sometimes, as I said, actors give 1650 01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:52.439 you gifts and they will take you around a circuitous 1651 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:56.119 route that is a lot of fun, you know, And 1652 01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:59.960 that's what I always used to look for in audition 1653 01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:03.640 and things like that. You know who's a collaborator and 1654 01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:06.520 who is in you know you. The other thing is 1655 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:11.960 that before you begin shooting, you call other directors that 1656 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.720 have worked with the actors before, and through back channels 1657 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:19.399 you find out did you have to protect them? Was 1658 01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:22.800 it do they wilt after the third take or do 1659 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:25.319 they get better on the fourth take? You know? And 1660 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.880 then in scenes where you've got actors that are good 1661 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:31.760 for one and two and fried by four and five, 1662 01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:34.720 and you got the other actor that goes the opposite way, 1663 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:38.479 so you blend and balance that. So you know, it's 1664 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:43.079 so many things that go into those considerations. I think 1665 01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:46.560 that was continues to be interesting. 1666 01:30:47.239 --> 01:30:50.479 I think it was just so gutsy that you write 1667 01:30:50.520 --> 01:30:55.119 a screenplay about a top and a dinosaur without probably 1668 01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:57.319 knowing how you're going to do the dinosaur effects at 1669 01:30:57.319 --> 01:30:59.560 that time. That must have just been like such a 1670 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:00.319 leap of faith. 1671 01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:03.560 Yeah, you know, I think what kind of carried me 1672 01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:07.840 through that in a way was naivete, you know, whereas 1673 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:11.880 today you've got so many tools in the toolbox. You 1674 01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:14.239 know there are ways to do it, ways around it. 1675 01:31:14.920 --> 01:31:17.560 But you know, when I would look at Sesame Street 1676 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.960 and the Jim Henson guys and what they could do, 1677 01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:26.319 the the over abiding objective was to make it look 1678 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:29.640 as real as possible given the fact that it's a 1679 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:32.680 talking dinosaur. But it doesn't mean it can't look real 1680 01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:37.520 in that context. And I wanted to design the world 1681 01:31:37.560 --> 01:31:41.319 of a talking dinosaurs as much into a cartoon comic 1682 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.479 book that supported the look of the dinosaurs. So it 1683 01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:48.840 was all sort of blended together to work like that. 1684 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:53.439 But it was, I would say, kind of an interesting, 1685 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:57.000 flashy idea, you know. I mean, it's not the one 1686 01:31:57.079 --> 01:32:00.600 off the shelf like a Western like I said before that, 1687 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:04.520 or something that could be categorized an action picture or something, 1688 01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:10.399 you know. But it was probably quite a balancing act, 1689 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:13.720 and in some ways I think it worked. In other ways, 1690 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:16.119 I would you know, you can't look at anything like 1691 01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:21.039 that without saying, you know, I wish, I wish, I 1692 01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:23.720 wish I'd had more time I wish done a different direction, 1693 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:27.359 such as such as the game as it is really 1694 01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:30.600 you know, at the end, I think it's hard over hardware, 1695 01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:35.279 like you know, I think that's what conveys that really 1696 01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:40.760 talks to an audience. I can say with my Starfighter experiences, 1697 01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:45.119 those scenes that have continued to talk to audiences are 1698 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:48.560 the scenes of the family. You know, a small town 1699 01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:51.880 boy with a dream to leave a dusty trailer park 1700 01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:57.079 and somehow or other, this silly talent that he has 1701 01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:02.039 that means nothing here means a lot on far away worlds, 1702 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:06.800 you know. And coupled with the fact that the I 1703 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.560 believe it was the first use of CG in pictures 1704 01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:16.319 look really rough, really bad. Producers were oversold on what 1705 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:19.640 the CG could do by digital productions and those guys 1706 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:23.439 who were sort of lords of the digital world at 1707 01:33:23.439 --> 01:33:27.560 that time with the great computers, you know, and so 1708 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:32.279 compared to ten years ago. Sure, but the problem became, 1709 01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:37.159 it doesn't look right. There's a release date coming, and 1710 01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:42.279 everyone surrounding us, because I was with Nick the director 1711 01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:45.960 throughout the whole process, and they were all saying, gee, 1712 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:48.359 it doesn't look great. And then you saying to yourself, 1713 01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.840 really compared to what you know and so but I 1714 01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:56.920 guess my point is that it's the heart that comes through. 1715 01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:01.079 If the heart is crafted, it can work work, you know, 1716 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:05.000 on most pictures, and when you think of pictures moments, 1717 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:09.840 and there are moments of moments like that, enduring, relatable 1718 01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:11.560 and warm. 1719 01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:15.079 When you're talking about the ten people with the servos 1720 01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:17.720 and all those things. Plus I'm you've got I imagine 1721 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:21.399 a person in the suit as well. So trying to 1722 01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:24.319 shoot around that and make sure that you are able 1723 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:28.600 to capture your vision while maintaining that illusion must have 1724 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:29.840 been very difficult as well. 1725 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:36.760 It was balancing twelve disparate disciplines in your head each 1726 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:41.439 time that creature came on, because it was you know, 1727 01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:43.640 these guys really knew what they were doing because they 1728 01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:45.199 were doing with it hands and all the time, and 1729 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.319 they spoke a different language to one another, you know, 1730 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:54.000 and you're always looking at the ninos or moving its mouth, wondering, okay, 1731 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.520 now that going to work with so many things, you know, 1732 01:34:57.560 --> 01:35:01.159 and so easy on things like that to get pulled 1733 01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:05.000 away from performance and get buried in the technical aspects 1734 01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:08.239 of it. And that's what I was always fighting because 1735 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:10.479 someone always tap you on the shoulder and say, wait, 1736 01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:13.880 we have a broken servo. Okay, how long is it 1737 01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:15.600 gonna take. It's gonna take an hour because we got 1738 01:35:15.600 --> 01:35:17.600 to take it out of the suit and things like that. 1739 01:35:18.600 --> 01:35:22.359 The line producer was a funny guy. He would never say, 1740 01:35:22.439 --> 01:35:25.000 you know, we got to move on. Whenever I turned 1741 01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:28.000 around and we were dragging a bit that day, he 1742 01:35:28.039 --> 01:35:32.000 would take his wad of dollar bills and pad his forehead. 1743 01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:36.439 You see, amen, But this has costed a lot of money. 1744 01:35:36.520 --> 01:35:37.079 You've got to. 1745 01:35:37.079 --> 01:35:40.720 Be sure of this. You know, did the movie change 1746 01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:42.920 that much during the editing or was it pretty well 1747 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:44.159 what you shot? 1748 01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:46.760 It was pretty. 1749 01:35:46.479 --> 01:35:51.600 Much what was shot because Whoope's performance actually she was 1750 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:55.640 like amazing because you could get all kinds of tone, 1751 01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:59.479 textures and reads from her. You'd want to keep going. 1752 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:02.479 But the diner wasn't. Dinosaur is going to deliver a 1753 01:36:02.520 --> 01:36:07.680 certain way, certain nuance of movements, and you know, you 1754 01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:12.079 have I remember learning that the human face has I 1755 01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:17.479 think forty points of emotion. The motive muscles on it, 1756 01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:20.920 like our eyebrows mean one thing looking to the left. 1757 01:36:21.319 --> 01:36:24.880 So you learn that language pretty quick. So you're giving 1758 01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:28.119 direction to the dinosaur. Okay, make his eyes go to 1759 01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.239 his right, now roll them around that kind of or 1760 01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:34.600 ripple his lips, because each of them conveys something, you know, 1761 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:37.159 and that was learning a lot. 1762 01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:40.159 I didn't even think about that as far as directing 1763 01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:43.680 a human performer versus directing a dinosaur, and you're really 1764 01:36:43.720 --> 01:36:45.439 directing all the people around him. 1765 01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:49.159 Yeah, I mean, think about just crinkling your nose, what 1766 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.479 that means, some smelling, snapping with your tip. All these 1767 01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:56.840 things that we take for granted are visual cues that 1768 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:59.840 we respond to. The more I got into that, I thought, 1769 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:04.600 oh my god, and thank god whoopy knewer stuff cold 1770 01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:08.399 because I was directing the dinosaur a lot too, and 1771 01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:11.560 that was a chore onto itself. Truly. 1772 01:37:12.159 --> 01:37:14.039 I hate to ask this, but I have to what 1773 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:17.079 happened with Whoopee during the production, because I've read so 1774 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:19.520 many things and I don't know what is true and 1775 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:19.920 what's not. 1776 01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:24.960 Whoopee agreed to the picture to do the picture, and 1777 01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:33.960 she then got two other pictures shortly thereafter the I'm 1778 01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:37.159 told that the producers know this better than I do. 1779 01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:40.439 That the deal she made on this picture was a 1780 01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:42.600 vast amount of money for a small amount of time, 1781 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:48.199 which raised her price considerably for the next two pictures 1782 01:37:48.199 --> 01:37:50.880 that they signed up for it like within the next 1783 01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:57.479 couple of months. So the pre production period was long 1784 01:37:57.560 --> 01:38:00.560 because the dinosaur had to be built. So in the 1785 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:06.520 meantime they came to Stefano Ferrari of the car family 1786 01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:10.880 and said, do you mind if Woopy did a picture 1787 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:14.760 before we start up? And he said, no, no, not 1788 01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:19.600 a problem. And because you know, in a picture, her 1789 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:23.079 involvement would be two months, maybe you know, sixty days 1790 01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:26.319 or whatever. And we were putting the dinosaur together and 1791 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:31.800 getting everything organized. Then they came again and said, she's 1792 01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:36.199 got another picture. Okay, it's Stefano very graciously said sure. 1793 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:40.079 Then we were getting ready to start and they came 1794 01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:44.039 to us again and said she's got one more picture, 1795 01:38:44.359 --> 01:38:48.520 and Stefano said, no. Now we have to we have 1796 01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:54.079 to assert our our line in her schedule because it's 1797 01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:59.079 costing money. Hold money, you know, if you have production 1798 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:03.239 money set aside, they they don't stop charging you if 1799 01:39:03.239 --> 01:39:06.199 you don't, you know what, So it gets really expensive. 1800 01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:11.399 And there were there was a meeting that came about 1801 01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:15.640 and I don't know, Hollywood attitude was sort of put 1802 01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:20.600 forward from her manager at the time. Keith Addis, who 1803 01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:23.840 basically said, well, you know, we think that we're going 1804 01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:26.560 to do this movie and if you don't like this, 1805 01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:32.760 basically sue us. Not in so many words, but Stefano, 1806 01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:38.079 who truly a gentleman that had never been through any 1807 01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:43.479 anything like this, whereas Abram said, and myself, if the 1808 01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:47.720 tarantula bid us, the tarantula dies, he said to Keith, Keith, 1809 01:39:47.960 --> 01:39:51.680 that's not right. We gave you a fortune for this, 1810 01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:55.960 you know, you just please honor. And they said no. 1811 01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.760 I don't think they knew that that he was a 1812 01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:03.720 guy of his word and he would take it to 1813 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:08.560 the end. And and he did, you know, And that's 1814 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:13.520 that's how nothing from our side was released about what 1815 01:40:13.600 --> 01:40:16.720 was going on. But you know how the everyone talks, 1816 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:21.199 everyone knows, and your gardener comes in with credits. Hey, 1817 01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:23.079 I work on Warren Batty's house or something. 1818 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:23.319 You know. 1819 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:27.079 Okay, Finn, you know that that was that was a 1820 01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:32.800 rough ride through that. It doesn't help to get into 1821 01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:33.960 a lawsuit with your star. 1822 01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:37.640 Did that sour her relationship with you? No? 1823 01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:42.119 No, he had the Frank and working meeting. After all, 1824 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:45.399 the smoke cleared. But it took a while. It took 1825 01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:48.279 a while to loosen up a little. It was a 1826 01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:51.439 lesson on so many levels. Mike, you know, I hope 1827 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:52.960 that answers your question about that. 1828 01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:56.680 Do you think that the negative press that had been 1829 01:40:56.760 --> 01:41:01.239 focused on Theodore Rex is that what help sink the picture? 1830 01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:04.520 Or were people just not ready for a cop dinosaur 1831 01:41:04.640 --> 01:41:05.439 partner movie. 1832 01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:09.119 I don't think the press helped, because, you know, I 1833 01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:12.840 think it became a curiosity for the wrong reasons in 1834 01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:15.800 a way. You know, Oh, this was a troubled set 1835 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:19.680 and all that. You know, I think that was part 1836 01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:24.439 of it. I don't know about audiences being ready for things. 1837 01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:29.000 I think if something is done with humor, style and 1838 01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:32.079 so many of the sort of lightning in a bottle 1839 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:36.159 aspects of putting a picture together and making it work, 1840 01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:39.199 they're always receptive. They're always willing to go out when 1841 01:41:39.239 --> 01:41:44.439 the lights go off, and believe you know, so I don't. 1842 01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:46.800 You know, it's hard to figure and then you know, 1843 01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:51.039 there's so many, so many moving parts, distribution, timing and 1844 01:41:51.079 --> 01:41:54.840 all these things. It's not it's just like in Starfighter. 1845 01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:59.439 Starfighter became the first movie that used see cg So 1846 01:41:59.520 --> 01:42:02.880 in the inter views. That was a guiding light of 1847 01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:07.800 a lot of questions and that it just changes the 1848 01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:11.199 complexion of the conversations and. 1849 01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:15.199 Way you mentioned the whole comic book ness of the movie, 1850 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:17.359 and I did find it interesting that there are so 1851 01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:20.840 many bright colors throughout the entire palette of that film, 1852 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:24.119 but then Whoopee is all in black throughout. I think 1853 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:26.920 almost all of it was that kind of a purpose 1854 01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:30.479 to here's the human and they're boring, and here's the 1855 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:32.520 dinosaurs and they live in this colorful world. 1856 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:36.680 Whoopy's idea was, if this is a cop. The concept 1857 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:41.960 was that law enforcement at that time is expedited, so 1858 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:46.680 you're calling a crime a cop with the assistance of 1859 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:51.640 an HAI unit implanted in them is judge, jury and 1860 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:56.359 executioner at the same time. And she felt, well, it 1861 01:42:56.399 --> 01:42:59.680 would be appropriate for a black uniform, and I thought, yeah, yeah, 1862 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:03.279 that would be a logical thing. And I did want 1863 01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:06.720 to keep the palette to primary colors otherwise, you know, 1864 01:43:07.479 --> 01:43:11.960 so it wasn't so you know dystopian future bleak that 1865 01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.680 we see all the time is how are you going 1866 01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:17.720 to do that with the talking dinosaur anyway? You know 1867 01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:22.079 that has a tweed jacket on, I can't do it. 1868 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.640 You mentioned the armand Mueler Stall a little bit earlier. 1869 01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:26.760 How was he to work with? 1870 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:32.479 It was very nice, very courtly, very total professional and 1871 01:43:32.640 --> 01:43:35.600 in the sense that I could do this way, this way, 1872 01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:37.640 this though is that? What? What? What? What? 1873 01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:37.720 What? 1874 01:43:37.840 --> 01:43:40.800 Wait a second? It's just so versatile, you know, and 1875 01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:43.600 then really puts your back on your game to think 1876 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:46.840 about it, you know, because you're just He had a 1877 01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:50.560 great presence in a way, you know, and the stories 1878 01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:53.600 he would tell. It's one of these people like with 1879 01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:57.640 Robert Preston and Starfighter. He'd start talking and suddenly in 1880 01:43:57.680 --> 01:43:59.479 a half hour would go by him when he'd start 1881 01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:03.640 telling you worries about, you know, inadvertently not boastfully, about 1882 01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:06.920 the movies you'd been on and the old Hollywood, and 1883 01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:08.119 it was just fascinating. 1884 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:11.920 I thought the castling of Stall was very smart because 1885 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.840 he gives off that kind of friendly grandpa energy, So 1886 01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:18.920 to have him play the villain I thought was very smart. 1887 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:23.319 The point was exactly that to have a very buncular, 1888 01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:29.920 warm presence that wants to own the world. You know, 1889 01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:32.359 there are you know, the crazy ones are really like that, 1890 01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:35.479 you know they don't the crazy stupid ones come off 1891 01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:37.960 like that if you know, first off, in the script, 1892 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:41.479 but gradually you get into the whoa Grandpap's out of 1893 01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:44.720 his tree? It was? It was fun, oh and all 1894 01:44:44.760 --> 01:44:47.720 it was fun. There were points at which felt like 1895 01:44:48.119 --> 01:44:52.159 it took too long, and probably like every every movie 1896 01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:55.520 has points at which you think, oh my god, why 1897 01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:59.720 is this taking so long? You know, and I think, 1898 01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:03.359 pay since it is a great virtue in this business. 1899 01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.399 Nothing happens when you think it's going to happen. And 1900 01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:09.960 if someone says they're going to get right back to you, 1901 01:45:10.479 --> 01:45:12.600 that's a Hollywood get right back to you, that means 1902 01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:15.479 three weeks, so you adjust accordingly. 1903 01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:19.960 So what do you do immediately after Theodore Rex drink heavily? 1904 01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:23.159 You just take a deep breath, you know, and you 1905 01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:24.920 go over it all the time. What else? 1906 01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:25.119 What? 1907 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:29.279 What? What's been missed? What's here? And you know that 1908 01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:33.079 kind of thing, you know, because by then the boat 1909 01:45:33.159 --> 01:45:36.880 is sailed, you know, as a movie gets close to completion, 1910 01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:40.960 as you're on sets and locations, you know, before you 1911 01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:43.760 move to another center, I've I've gotten everything I need 1912 01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:47.279 here before we move on, because coming back is so 1913 01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:53.680 ghastly expensive. That's why I had an editor that I 1914 01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:55.479 always like to look at the editors that would stay 1915 01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:59.520 up to camera, so they put rough assemblies together as 1916 01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:03.199 you were shooting each scene, so they would know what 1917 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:06.479 fit what else, maybe gets something else before you move 1918 01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:09.640 on that kind of thing. I think you go through 1919 01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:14.880 a period where you're did I get everything? Is where 1920 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:17.840 you start second guessing yourself because you've been doing that 1921 01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:25.760 for so long and the whole experience of shooting is 1922 01:46:26.800 --> 01:46:30.239 not normal. You know, you get up and everyone's got 1923 01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:32.760 walkie talkies and it's like you don't have one? What 1924 01:46:33.479 --> 01:46:35.359 because I am the wrong line and everyone you know, 1925 01:46:36.319 --> 01:46:40.000 So that takes getting used to, and afterwards takes getting 1926 01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:44.199 used to not having that. It's nice, you know, but 1927 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:48.199 I think that I think everyone just kind of should 1928 01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:52.319 be forced to with DGA rules to go watch three 1929 01:46:52.439 --> 01:46:54.720 days of nothing but waves rolling into the beach. 1930 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.039 How soon after Theodore Rex do you co found the 1931 01:46:58.159 --> 01:46:59.239 Special Efects Company? 1932 01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:04.359 That was about two years later. I had written this 1933 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.720 script about a little boy who builds himself a dog, 1934 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:12.680 and it was very manageable, and I met my partner 1935 01:47:13.479 --> 01:47:19.119 at the time. We had nice samples and not connections 1936 01:47:19.119 --> 01:47:22.199 at studios, so I had sort of been through that. 1937 01:47:22.840 --> 01:47:26.000 So we decided to see what we could do. That 1938 01:47:26.119 --> 01:47:31.840 took a lot longer because that's a different tribe, different club. 1939 01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:34.560 In order to get into that, you have to have 1940 01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:39.199 had already samples. He didn't have those from working movies. 1941 01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:44.399 My mind consisted of one CG movie, you know, So 1942 01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:46.840 it took a lot longer for it to get off 1943 01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:51.840 the ground. Then Wen dissipated, and then you put your 1944 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:55.359 efforts into getting it started. I think it took like 1945 01:47:56.159 --> 01:48:01.199 almost five years before we saw any profits from now 1946 01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:03.760 once again. You know, it's like, I think there should 1947 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:09.680 be a writer, effects producer, director. All three disciplines are 1948 01:48:09.800 --> 01:48:16.840 so interwoven. Now, yeah, I think that the the directors 1949 01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:20.399 that work with with effects houses usually they stay with 1950 01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:25.560 one effects house from picture to picture, and it serves 1951 01:48:25.600 --> 01:48:30.720 them well, you know, because so many effects houses. All right, well, 1952 01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:33.720 that's an interview in itself. 1953 01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:36.239 What are you working on these days? 1954 01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:39.880 Working on the script about the little boy that builds 1955 01:48:39.920 --> 01:48:45.680 himself a dog? We are out to actors now, and 1956 01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:51.479 that's really what I'd like to do. And I am 1957 01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:55.239 writing the sequel to The Last Starfighter. You know, it's 1958 01:48:55.279 --> 01:48:59.319 been a long road on Starfire in the sense that 1959 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:04.760 for a long time I was considered the stumbling block 1960 01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:09.279 to having a sequel made. But I didn't think I 1961 01:49:09.319 --> 01:49:12.720 didn't have the rights. I discovered through a series of 1962 01:49:13.560 --> 01:49:18.159 studio skullduggery moments that when Laura mar was bought by 1963 01:49:18.199 --> 01:49:23.119 Warner Brothers, if you know these players, someone neglected to 1964 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:26.119 keep abreast of the fact that they had ten years 1965 01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:29.439 to exploit the rights to the picture, or they reverted 1966 01:49:29.479 --> 01:49:33.359 to me. That's however, that is like having a great 1967 01:49:33.399 --> 01:49:37.279 white shark on the hook and being in a rowboats. 1968 01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:41.840 I was told that no one would no one would 1969 01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:44.640 work with me even if I did have the rights 1970 01:49:44.680 --> 01:49:47.880 to the movie, because the studios would throw a shadow 1971 01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:51.800 over it. And that was the case for a while 1972 01:49:52.439 --> 01:49:57.039 until I started hiring attorneys. No law firm in LA 1973 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.920 would go against a studio. I hired a firm in 1974 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:05.119 New York that secured the rights, and I got the copyright. 1975 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:11.680 And it was a quiet victory, you know, and made 1976 01:50:12.119 --> 01:50:17.039 much more satisfying by the fact that when you recapture 1977 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:21.479 a copyright, they let all the entities know that it 1978 01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:24.680 is now yours. So one went to warners, One went 1979 01:50:24.720 --> 01:50:28.119 to warners that has a distribution whits for the foreign 1980 01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:32.560 I have it on everything else and lets everyone know 1981 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:35.840 that there's a new sheriff in town. But it's not 1982 01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:39.039 like that, really. It's just that I had to defend 1983 01:50:39.079 --> 01:50:42.680 the rights at every turn of the screw, and it 1984 01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:47.960 was expensive and harrowing, and I didn't have any guarantee 1985 01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.520 that I would be able to do something with it 1986 01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:54.079 once I won if I did. But I'm told that 1987 01:50:54.199 --> 01:50:58.840 Cameron got back the rights to Terminator in some way. 1988 01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:00.520 Are you aware of that or no? 1989 01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:02.960 I didn't know he ever lost him, and. 1990 01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:04.960 I didn't need it. I didn't either, But the fact 1991 01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:08.119 that he got them back when that's such a recognizable 1992 01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:12.880 franchise's pretty amazing, you know, so that I think that 1993 01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:18.159 helped somewhat so, but they're always a bumpy road, that 1994 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:21.800 kind of thing. I look forward to taking Starfighter to 1995 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:26.479 the next generation in a way, and it's going to 1996 01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:30.359 be standalone film where you don't have to know about 1997 01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:36.319 what came before. But hat tips to pass not get 1998 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:38.880 buried in it. I'm not here to defend that in 1999 01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:42.239 any way. Just to move on. There's so many things, 2000 01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:45.039 but it was interesting. I'm in the middle of the 2001 01:51:45.039 --> 01:51:50.560 script now servicing quest characters that everyone knows, you know, 2002 01:51:50.840 --> 01:51:53.439 and as well as adding new ones. So it's an 2003 01:51:53.439 --> 01:51:57.039 interesting balancing a story. Wise, it's been great, It's gonna 2004 01:51:57.039 --> 01:51:59.439 be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward this time 2005 01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:02.760 to bringing the Aliens to Earth. I don't want to 2006 01:52:02.800 --> 01:52:07.000 go big with hardware and everything, because we've seen it. 2007 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:12.439 Marvel does it beautifully time after time. But the premise 2008 01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:15.840 is simple. What if the dad you had that you 2009 01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:18.920 thought was a janitor in the trailer park fixing cesspools 2010 01:52:19.439 --> 01:52:24.880 was in reality Luke Skywalker? And it's the recognition between 2011 01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:28.319 a father and son and a student is about to 2012 01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:32.359 become a minister. So that's what I'm up to these days. 2013 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:37.119 I love the Last Hour Fighter obviously, and I will 2014 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.239 probably be first in line to buy a ticket forward 2015 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:39.560 to that. 2016 01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:41.640 You won't have to buy a ticket, man, We'll go 2017 01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:44.920 ahead and get drunk beforehand, or go man. 2018 01:52:44.960 --> 01:52:47.680 I promise that does mean to add to fly La. 2019 01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:51.319 Come on, man here, you're probably here every other weekend, 2020 01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:53.359 especially when it gets cold. 2021 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:58.119 Please a kung fu renegade cop. I don't want to 2022 01:52:58.159 --> 01:52:59.199 hear a come fury. 2023 01:52:59.319 --> 01:53:01.680 I've just pat its city Hall. You just destroyed an 2024 01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:05.239 attire city block. For Christ's sake, I could. 2025 01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:08.199 Now he must defeat the most evil kung fu master 2026 01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:08.760 in the. 2027 01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:14.840 World, Adolf Hitler aka Kung Fumer Hitler. 2028 01:53:15.399 --> 01:53:17.079 He's the worst criminal of all time. 2029 01:53:17.239 --> 01:53:20.199 When did he kill him? 2030 01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:23.079 I can hack you back your time to Nazi Germany. 2031 01:53:23.359 --> 01:53:39.640 Just look attention, Kung Fury. That's right. 2032 01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:42.239 We were back and we were talking about Theodore Rex 2033 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:46.359 and the other thing I mentioned how this reminded me 2034 01:53:46.399 --> 01:53:49.279 a little bit of I Robot. You guys mentioned Super 2035 01:53:49.319 --> 01:53:51.960 Mario Brothers. The other thing that it kept reminding me 2036 01:53:52.000 --> 01:53:53.680 of and I had to go back and rewatch it 2037 01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:59.920 last night was Kung Fury because of Trisarah Copp, who 2038 01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:03.119 it's the best damn partner Kung Fury could ever really want. 2039 01:54:03.159 --> 01:54:05.199 But it takes a while for him to realize that 2040 01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:09.560 because in that Kung Fury loses his partner after he 2041 01:54:09.640 --> 01:54:13.640 sliced into by a ninja master and doesn't want to 2042 01:54:13.680 --> 01:54:17.439 have another partner. When he gets partnered up with Trisarah Copp, 2043 01:54:17.760 --> 01:54:20.720 gets very angry, goes out, tries to do stuff on 2044 01:54:20.720 --> 01:54:23.800 his own, and then try Sarah Kopp is right there after, 2045 01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:27.159 he travels through time to Nazi Germany to have a 2046 01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:30.880 huge kung fu fight with Adolf Hitler. What a movie. 2047 01:54:31.279 --> 01:54:34.319 Half an hour does so much more and really makes 2048 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:36.399 me feel for Trisarah. 2049 01:54:35.960 --> 01:54:39.439 Copp The scene in that short film because I watched 2050 01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:42.640 it again because you mentioned this, when Hitler guns down 2051 01:54:42.680 --> 01:54:44.079 the police station through the phone. 2052 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:45.319 Oh, I love it. 2053 01:54:46.119 --> 01:54:48.359 He shoots the phone and the bulletzman you know, And 2054 01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:54.239 it's so wildly creative and I'm wacky and insane, but 2055 01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:57.359 that is a mini masterpiece. It's incredible. 2056 01:54:58.079 --> 01:55:00.640 Oh, it's so good. And I just love how awkward 2057 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:03.159 Kung Fury is. That he's always trying to come up 2058 01:55:03.159 --> 01:55:07.199 with one liners and they all just suck like knack knack, 2059 01:55:07.239 --> 01:55:12.039 who's there? Knockles. It plays into all those eighties tropes 2060 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:15.119 and stuff that just really work well, especially you know, 2061 01:55:15.279 --> 01:55:18.800 fucking David Hasselhoff at the end. I love you half 2062 01:55:18.920 --> 01:55:19.520 nine thousand. 2063 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:22.800 It's so well done. It's one of those things where 2064 01:55:22.840 --> 01:55:24.760 you can tell they're not half asking it because even 2065 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.239 like the fight scenes are just incredible, Like the athleticism 2066 01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:30.800 of the main fellow don't hear about that? Is when 2067 01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:32.640 I was watching it again, if that came out today, 2068 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:37.760 I would think, Oh, it's ai. It's like it's created 2069 01:55:38.600 --> 01:55:41.039 that way. So in fact, did they did it. When 2070 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:44.119 they did it, it stands to i'd watch a feature 2071 01:55:44.119 --> 01:55:44.520 film with that. 2072 01:55:45.399 --> 01:55:47.119 I was having a good time last night, like I 2073 01:55:47.319 --> 01:55:50.560 don't tend to use AI image generators that much, but 2074 01:55:51.119 --> 01:55:53.960 I went out to chat GTP and I was just like, Okay, 2075 01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:58.920 give me an image of a Tyrannosaurus Rex who is 2076 01:55:59.039 --> 01:56:02.159 a cop, and gave me a beautiful image. I'm like, 2077 01:56:02.159 --> 01:56:04.520 all right, now the cop has a partner. Now the 2078 01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:07.640 CoP's lost a partner. Now the cop is you know. 2079 01:56:07.760 --> 01:56:10.840 Now it's a going out for a kill, crazy rampage. 2080 01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:13.720 And just like did all these basically like storyboards, and 2081 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:15.760 I was like, this is such a better movie. 2082 01:56:16.439 --> 01:56:19.039 I hope one of those images had the partner writing 2083 01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:21.800 the dinosaur, because why would you not do that? 2084 01:56:22.359 --> 01:56:24.560 You would think at some point what peg Goldberg would 2085 01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:26.279 have been on Teddy's shoulders, you. 2086 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:28.439 Know, get on his back and ride him into battle. 2087 01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:32.239 And she realized she could walk faster, she'd be using 2088 01:56:32.319 --> 01:56:33.159 spurs on him. 2089 01:56:33.279 --> 01:56:35.800 Come on, takes her to saddle. 2090 01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:38.359 There's no raptor, that's for sure. 2091 01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:40.680 I guess that would kind of defeat the purpose of 2092 01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:43.000 them been equal partners and she's whipping them and writing 2093 01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:44.760 them no back talk Teddy. 2094 01:56:45.279 --> 01:56:48.079 Yeah, there's a couple of moments in the movies where 2095 01:56:48.079 --> 01:56:51.800 the dinosaur's eye has left eye doesn't open all the way, 2096 01:56:51.840 --> 01:56:53.720 and it just he looks so stupid. 2097 01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:56.800 There's a few moments where his moat doesn't move. He's 2098 01:56:56.840 --> 01:57:00.439 talking and his mot's not moving. They're shooting over the shoulders, 2099 01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:03.640 and I guess they thought we don't need to Puppeteerihuim. 2100 01:57:04.159 --> 01:57:06.319 But he's he's talking back to her, He's so verbal 2101 01:57:06.399 --> 01:57:09.479 and he's not moving his motor and I was like, oh, 2102 01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:11.359 that's the first mistake I've seen so far. 2103 01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:13.880 And they dress him like they're sending him to go 2104 01:57:14.000 --> 01:57:17.880 undercover at a school. His costume is literally the same 2105 01:57:17.960 --> 01:57:21.479 thing as this as the stee bouchemi. How are you doing, 2106 01:57:21.520 --> 01:57:22.600 my fellow students? 2107 01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:23.039 Meme? 2108 01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:26.039 I was part of a special task force of very 2109 01:57:26.039 --> 01:57:28.159 young looking cops who infiltrated high schools. 2110 01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:30.920 How do you do? 2111 01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:31.800 Fellow kids? 2112 01:57:32.159 --> 01:57:32.199 What? 2113 01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:36.840 Sorry? Keep kicking this movie while it's down. I really 2114 01:57:36.880 --> 01:57:40.239 wanted to like this movie. I really wanted to me too. 2115 01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:44.119 There's another thing as well that I hoped for with 2116 01:57:44.199 --> 01:57:47.479 the film, as that Whoopy did end up like myself. 2117 01:57:47.560 --> 01:57:51.600 Whoopy were both fellow Razzie nominees, and I thought it'd 2118 01:57:51.600 --> 01:57:54.239 be lovely if she did actually win the Razzie because 2119 01:57:54.279 --> 01:57:57.520 she would have been the first person in history to 2120 01:57:57.560 --> 01:57:58.800 be a recot winner. 2121 01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:03.079 Oh yeah, nah, who were you up for a Razzie for? 2122 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:07.119 I was one of nine writers on a Parkour Aliver 2123 01:58:07.199 --> 01:58:10.760 Twist film, the last film of Michael Kaine's career. Unfortunately. 2124 01:58:10.920 --> 01:58:15.039 I think he retired because of that film called Twist. Yeah, 2125 01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:17.319 I'm very proud of that fact. But none of the 2126 01:58:17.319 --> 01:58:19.159 other writers who involved, and none of us worked with 2127 01:58:19.239 --> 01:58:21.680 each other. We were all like replacing one another. My 2128 01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:24.760 draft was eleven years before the film got made, but 2129 01:58:25.319 --> 01:58:27.439 I was rooting for us to win. I just wanted 2130 01:58:27.439 --> 01:58:29.960 that Razzie. It would have been been my Demi Moore 2131 01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:33.199 moment by first time winning something for writing. I fucking 2132 01:58:33.279 --> 01:58:34.840 love it. I'd dine out on that. It would be 2133 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:37.399 in my bio and everything. But no, we lost to 2134 01:58:37.479 --> 01:58:39.640 some Diana Princess Diana movie. 2135 01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:42.359 Oh I know which one you mean? 2136 01:58:42.760 --> 01:58:43.199 Yeah? 2137 01:58:43.439 --> 01:58:49.560 The pool? Who was who played her? Was it? 2138 01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:50.079 Yeah? 2139 01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:51.640 I think it might have been I think it might 2140 01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:56.640 have been Watts. Yeah yeah, oh well foiled again, fucking 2141 01:58:56.720 --> 01:58:57.319 royal family. 2142 01:58:58.279 --> 01:59:01.399 Yeah, I was really helping for like some more actual 2143 01:59:01.560 --> 01:59:04.600 tropes in this movie, like when they have and I 2144 01:59:04.600 --> 01:59:08.000 don't understand, like Teddy, you're almost crashing this fucking airplane, 2145 01:59:08.039 --> 01:59:11.199 but when they're suddenly flying in an airplane or a 2146 01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:16.319 gyrocopter and it's uh bud Court flying and I was like, Oh, 2147 01:59:16.479 --> 01:59:19.039 is he gonna now suddenly become a good guy because 2148 01:59:19.039 --> 01:59:22.399 he definitely does not like Stephen mccatty's character. But no, 2149 01:59:22.680 --> 01:59:25.479 if anything, I think he dies in the crash. 2150 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:28.760 The strange thing about this film, though, is that, aside 2151 01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:33.199 from Whoopy's character, Teddy, Molly and the Boy, every other 2152 01:59:33.279 --> 01:59:35.600 character is a bad guy. It's a huge conspiracy with 2153 01:59:35.720 --> 01:59:37.039 all these bad guys. 2154 01:59:37.640 --> 01:59:40.800 Yeah, way too many. I mean, Richard Rowntree is pretty decent, 2155 01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:42.880 but even then he's like, oh, I don't know if 2156 01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:45.680 we're gonna let this cop this dinosaur be a cop. 2157 01:59:45.720 --> 01:59:49.000 And then it takes the other bad guy what's his 2158 01:59:49.079 --> 01:59:50.760 name Simmons to convince. 2159 01:59:50.439 --> 01:59:52.720 Not Tim Robbins right, Oh god. 2160 01:59:52.680 --> 01:59:56.720 Yes, yes the whole time dude. Seriously, I was like, 2161 01:59:57.039 --> 01:59:58.600 it's Tim Robbins. 2162 01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:04.640 Right again, casting like Shaft to be a borderline racist 2163 02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:07.880 mayor is he mayor commissioner. It feels like you're you're 2164 02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:09.279 crossing the streams of the LEO. 2165 02:00:09.960 --> 02:00:11.960 Yeah. First I thought Jack Riley was going to be 2166 02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:14.600 the police captain the way he shows up in that 2167 02:00:14.640 --> 02:00:16.840 like hologram. But no, I guess he's just like the 2168 02:00:16.920 --> 02:00:20.960 tech guy. Maybe I don't know. I guess that's why 2169 02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:24.399 he's friends with Whoopee since she's part robot. 2170 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:28.720 God Jesus sad roundtree right there. Why isn't he playing 2171 02:00:28.760 --> 02:00:32.039 the main cop. You could have had Shaft partnered with 2172 02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:32.880 a dinosaur. 2173 02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:36.600 That would have been fun. That would have been really fun. Oh, 2174 02:00:36.680 --> 02:00:37.840 you just ruined the film for me. 2175 02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:40.720 Yeah, because before, like I said, you were in love 2176 02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:43.720 with that going out on a high. We did an 2177 02:00:43.760 --> 02:00:48.279 episode on Super Mario Brothers and just all of the writers. 2178 02:00:48.319 --> 02:00:52.319 I mean I think there were what eight or more writers, 2179 02:00:52.319 --> 02:00:55.119 and then like some writers came back. It's just amazing 2180 02:00:55.119 --> 02:00:58.640 to me that this was one writer director. I mean, 2181 02:00:58.760 --> 02:01:03.600 I can't even imagine how Betchel just suffered seeing what 2182 02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:07.920 he created turning into this throughout a three year period 2183 02:01:07.960 --> 02:01:08.359 of time. 2184 02:01:09.359 --> 02:01:10.760 I hope he got paid well for us. 2185 02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:12.159 I hope so too. 2186 02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:15.640 It went to Whoopee's race, which is weird. 2187 02:01:15.640 --> 02:01:19.520 Because she made what five million for this something like that? 2188 02:01:20.359 --> 02:01:23.359 Seven million? Okay, And this is when did Jim Carrey 2189 02:01:23.359 --> 02:01:27.880 start making twenty milifilm was that post as Ventura? 2190 02:01:29.000 --> 02:01:31.720 It went up to seven on Dumb and Dumber, and 2191 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.119 then I think he got around twenty for Cable Guy, 2192 02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:37.800 which is ninety five. I think ninety five ninety six. 2193 02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:40.039 Looks like I was wrong about the release date. It 2194 02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:43.640 looks like this came out July second, nineteen ninety six. 2195 02:01:43.720 --> 02:01:44.800 So summer movie. 2196 02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:49.039 Oh yeah, well dumped right to video though, So yeah, 2197 02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:52.600 summer video release. If I can believe Wikipedia, I don't 2198 02:01:52.600 --> 02:01:53.479 know if I can or not. 2199 02:01:54.479 --> 02:01:59.920 Wikipedia get rid of it Wkipedia? Yes, yeah, those two 2200 02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:03.960 so no longer funny anymore. We're living in a dystopia. 2201 02:02:04.279 --> 02:02:07.199 I want to know, too, what did that chimpanzee do 2202 02:02:07.359 --> 02:02:09.159 to get it thrown into jail. 2203 02:02:09.920 --> 02:02:12.000 I've seen the film twice, Mike, and I can't remember 2204 02:02:11.960 --> 02:02:12.840 a chimpanzee. 2205 02:02:13.159 --> 02:02:13.399 I know. 2206 02:02:13.640 --> 02:02:14.119 Same here. 2207 02:02:14.399 --> 02:02:16.000 I'm like, oh, I hope you got my back on 2208 02:02:16.000 --> 02:02:17.800 this one. I don't remember the chimpanzee. 2209 02:02:18.039 --> 02:02:21.039 They throw the little kid into jail and there's a 2210 02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:23.800 chimp in there, and then when they rescue him, he's 2211 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.760 carrying the chimp and he goes, can I keep them? Yeah? 2212 02:02:26.800 --> 02:02:28.600 But wasn't he really rude to the chimp when he 2213 02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:30.800 first went into the jails. It wasn't he like what 2214 02:02:30.840 --> 02:02:32.560 are you looking at? Or something like this? I thought, 2215 02:02:33.279 --> 02:02:34.560 why it's wrong with everybody? 2216 02:02:35.239 --> 02:02:38.640 Because that was another adr thing where they're walking away 2217 02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:41.600 and she doesn't really even answer them. She's just kind 2218 02:02:41.600 --> 02:02:44.720 of like no, like she just kind of gives a 2219 02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:47.600 non answer she's walking away, or it's like clearly neither 2220 02:02:47.720 --> 02:02:49.079 was saying anything in that shot. 2221 02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:52.000 I like it the very very end, the last shot 2222 02:02:52.279 --> 02:02:55.000 after he gets the commendation or he gets promoted, I think, 2223 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:57.920 to being an actual legitimate detective, going from a mascot 2224 02:02:57.960 --> 02:03:00.680 or a pr Hoyer to a detective. Everybody just keeps 2225 02:03:00.680 --> 02:03:03.800 applauding the entire time, the whole time as they're talking 2226 02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:06.800 and walking away, just clapping and clapping and clapping, and 2227 02:03:07.079 --> 02:03:10.439 it's like, why are they clapping? The speech is over. 2228 02:03:10.880 --> 02:03:14.640 The bizarre wipe that they're doing as Teddy's walking and 2229 02:03:14.680 --> 02:03:17.560 the screen starts getting black because, like you said, Brad, 2230 02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:21.520 he barely moves and the screen just is like following him. 2231 02:03:21.560 --> 02:03:24.680 And that real rough Matt line around him as he moves, 2232 02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:28.159 and then the last title card that says see ya, 2233 02:03:28.399 --> 02:03:31.960 and I'm like, oh my god, I want to die. 2234 02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:32.840 Man. 2235 02:03:33.399 --> 02:03:37.079 That shot of the cropped in black on there with 2236 02:03:37.239 --> 02:03:42.439 like the line around him where the pixelation around him too, 2237 02:03:42.800 --> 02:03:45.199 that looked like it would be like the final shot 2238 02:03:45.399 --> 02:03:49.720 on like an HBO first look about the movie where 2239 02:03:50.600 --> 02:03:52.800 then it cuts to the credits of the feature atte 2240 02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:55.399 But you know what, I. 2241 02:03:55.359 --> 02:03:57.920 Can forgive it because there was intention behind this, whereas 2242 02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:00.399 everything else just felt like it was this will do 2243 02:04:01.199 --> 02:04:02.439 this still to keep going. 2244 02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:05.199 I really wanted to end on a higher note than this. 2245 02:04:05.439 --> 02:04:07.920 But at least now, Kevin, you've got a new favorite 2246 02:04:07.960 --> 02:04:09.920 film that you can enjoy for the rest of your life. 2247 02:04:10.359 --> 02:04:12.319 We're gonna take another break and play a preview for 2248 02:04:12.399 --> 02:04:15.000 next week's show right after these brief messages. 2249 02:04:17.079 --> 02:04:20.600 Can assume the first you will tell you excel, so's 2250 02:04:20.640 --> 02:04:21.760 there who give. 2251 02:04:25.279 --> 02:04:29.880 Pro contracts? First? 2252 02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:46.560 Simple paras the phone post says, are you could stay this. 2253 02:04:55.039 --> 02:04:59.119 Or the lads Jacob a. 2254 02:05:00.720 --> 02:05:01.119 I've got on. 2255 02:05:07.840 --> 02:05:13.640 Saba ala rendi dRIT. That's right. We'll be back next 2256 02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:15.840 week with they look at the Cuban film Death of 2257 02:05:15.920 --> 02:05:18.800 a bureaucrat a little bit different than this one. Until then, 2258 02:05:18.840 --> 02:05:20.680 I want to thank my co host Brad and Kevin. 2259 02:05:20.760 --> 02:05:22.319 So Brad, what's the latest with you, sir? 2260 02:05:23.439 --> 02:05:28.479 My latest book, Bat Pussy is available over on Amazon. 2261 02:05:28.960 --> 02:05:30.560 The last time I did your show, I think I 2262 02:05:30.640 --> 02:05:31.960 was in the middle of writing it and we were 2263 02:05:32.039 --> 02:05:33.600 talking about that movie for a little bit. 2264 02:05:33.760 --> 02:05:35.039 So what's it abotion. 2265 02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:39.399 It's based on this movie from nineteen seventy that is 2266 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:43.319 notoriously called the worst porno ever made, but it is 2267 02:05:43.439 --> 02:05:48.359 also arguably the first porn parody ever made as well. 2268 02:05:48.600 --> 02:05:50.399 And there's no credits to the movie, so no one 2269 02:05:50.479 --> 02:05:53.239 knows who made it or who these actors are in it. 2270 02:05:53.680 --> 02:05:58.439 So I wrote this book that's a fictitious making of 2271 02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:01.600 the movie, like all the events that lead up to 2272 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:04.159 the making of it. It's in nineteen seventy. It's about 2273 02:06:04.199 --> 02:06:08.119 this former b director who comes back from shooting some 2274 02:06:08.159 --> 02:06:12.239 footage in Vietnam, gets involved in this crooked theater company. 2275 02:06:13.159 --> 02:06:16.000 Things happen and he makes bat Pussy along with a 2276 02:06:16.119 --> 02:06:17.159 method actress Hooker. 2277 02:06:18.880 --> 02:06:20.239 Really great, that's a great idea. 2278 02:06:20.319 --> 02:06:21.000 It was a thank you. 2279 02:06:21.560 --> 02:06:23.600 It was a lot of fun to write, and like 2280 02:06:24.159 --> 02:06:26.560 the reviews, of it. Of it have been really good, 2281 02:06:26.680 --> 02:06:29.800 so I'm super excited about it, and it's available now 2282 02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:32.800 over on Amazon instant purchase. 2283 02:06:33.760 --> 02:06:36.359 Sounds like a perfect gift for you and all of 2284 02:06:36.399 --> 02:06:38.279 your loved ones exactly. 2285 02:06:39.479 --> 02:06:43.359 My mom did order a copy, and. 2286 02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:46.439 Kevin, for those foolish souls who haven't been with us 2287 02:06:46.520 --> 02:06:49.479 every week during this whoop wary journey, what is the 2288 02:06:49.600 --> 02:06:50.119 latest with you? 2289 02:06:51.279 --> 02:06:53.920 I'm over on the Best Bits. When this comes out, 2290 02:06:54.000 --> 02:06:57.960 we'll actually be releasing our final episode. Been podcasting for 2291 02:06:58.119 --> 02:07:01.640 four years, so best End is our last episode. Doesn't 2292 02:07:01.640 --> 02:07:03.640 mean we're going to stop podcasting me and my podcasting 2293 02:07:03.720 --> 02:07:08.560 partner Will, but we're coming to a close on that project, 2294 02:07:08.680 --> 02:07:12.720 which was jumping about watching and picking our favorite film 2295 02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:17.640 scenes based on randomly selected themes. And yeah, so if 2296 02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:19.880 you want to jump over, you'll get the last episode 2297 02:07:19.880 --> 02:07:22.399 for myself from Will on The Best Bits. And I'm 2298 02:07:22.399 --> 02:07:26.520 also writing nothing as exciting as bart Pussy. Maybe I 2299 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:28.079 can adapt it well. 2300 02:07:28.119 --> 02:07:29.800 Thank you so much guys for being on the show. 2301 02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:31.920 Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want to hear 2302 02:07:31.960 --> 02:07:33.479 more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some 2303 02:07:33.520 --> 02:07:35.000 of the other shows that I work on. They're all 2304 02:07:35.039 --> 02:07:38.640 available at weirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our Patreon community. 2305 02:07:38.760 --> 02:07:40.920 If you want to join the community, visit patreon dot 2306 02:07:41.000 --> 02:07:44.039 com slash Projection Booth. Every donation we get helps the 2307 02:07:44.079 --> 02:07:46.960 Projection Booth send the world into a new Ice Age 2308 02:07:46.960 --> 02:07:49.039 where we're going to bring back all of the animals 2309 02:07:49.079 --> 02:07:51.439 two by two because that really doesn't work, but anyway, 2310 02:07:51.520 --> 02:07:53.520 we'll try it anyway, So enjoy that. 2311 02:08:12.920 --> 02:10:48.760 St Hey, I'm so proud of you.