Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 3: I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult
Speaker 3: is one of the things that turned me away the quickest.
Speaker 3: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 3: looked at us.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember the most where
Speaker 1: the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light.
Speaker 1: It is just circling these steps.
Speaker 2: Like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.
Speaker 3: They're basically like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it
Speaker 1: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 2: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes.
Speaker 3: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,
Speaker 3: I don't like death.
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Speaker 1: we are joined by my guest, Miss McGillicutty. Thanks for
Speaker 1: coming on here and talking with me.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself before we dive into it.
Speaker 3: Well, uh, you know, my story is longer than the
Speaker 3: subject we're going to talk about, but right now we're
Speaker 3: gonna we're going to talk about I've been a lucid
Speaker 3: and vivid, actual dreamer ever since I can remember, and
Speaker 3: you know, I just uh I've come to know that
Speaker 3: those experiences that I've had and still have are very
Speaker 3: spiritual in nature and eerily similar to that of abductees.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I'll get into that in a minute, but I
Speaker 3: just uh, I feel very uh. Ever since I came
Speaker 3: to the Lord out of Witchcraft, I've gotten more answers
Speaker 3: than ever of what really is going on. And it's
Speaker 3: quite a phenomenon. I've come across a few people who
Speaker 3: have had similar experiences. I love the work of Vicky
Speaker 3: Joy Anderson. She's really helped with figuring out, you know,
Speaker 3: giving some language and some context of what is going on.
Speaker 3: And these experiences can be very terrifying, and you know,
Speaker 3: you can feel like there's nothing that you can do,
Speaker 3: but there is a lot that you can do. And
Speaker 3: so I hope to be able to share that to people. So,
Speaker 3: you know, if I could reach someone who was me
Speaker 3: five years ago, I could help them find uh, you know,
Speaker 3: some answers to that, to some of their questions and
Speaker 3: get some some offense to this, because you can seem
Speaker 3: really out of out of control with it, you know,
Speaker 3: like it's there's nothing you can do. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, if you are ready to begin, I will turn
Speaker 1: it over to you and I will just let you talk, okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So as a child I had a number of experiences.
Speaker 3: I used to see these things I just called the
Speaker 3: little little shadow people, and upon occasion, a very tall one,
Speaker 3: and for the most part I would just you know,
Speaker 3: I try to go to my parents about it, and
Speaker 3: it'd be a lot of it's just a dream, or
Speaker 3: you know, oh, there's nothing there, which I never do
Speaker 3: to my kids because, let me tell you, if you've
Speaker 3: gone through it, it's it can be very frustrating. And
Speaker 3: but AnyWho, So I my first real intense experience was
Speaker 3: my first what I think was the attempt for something
Speaker 3: very spiritual. As a child, I didn't quite have any
Speaker 3: context it. And in fact, there's quite a bit that
Speaker 3: I've blocked out that have slowly been resurfacing. But I'm
Speaker 3: going to talk about some that I found to be
Speaker 3: a little bit more prevalent and probably the most intense.
Speaker 3: The first one that was the most intense was actually
Speaker 3: when I was pregnant with my son, who is on
Speaker 3: the spectrum, and that was somewhere at the tail end
Speaker 3: of twenty thirteen and twenty fourteen. My now husband had
Speaker 3: to wake me up and I just was. I guess
Speaker 3: I was like hysterically crying, you know, the standard kind
Speaker 3: of sleep paralysis spouse experience of what was happening to me.
Speaker 3: But in what I had seen and what I was
Speaker 3: experiencing in there, I almost didn't have any words to express.
Speaker 3: It was like I had been in shock, you know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even express it to him. But what I
Speaker 3: had seen was I was in a room with all
Speaker 3: of these huge shadow creatures. There was about eight of
Speaker 3: them that I could see, you know, facing me. I
Speaker 3: was on a like table, like a like a I
Speaker 3: don't know table slash altar or something, just laying on it,
Speaker 3: but I was without the ability to move my appendages.
Speaker 3: And a very tall man came and he was quite handsome.
Speaker 3: He actually looked like Mark Wahlberg, which ruined Mark Wahlberg
Speaker 3: movies for me. And then all of a sudden he
Speaker 3: got on top of me and he was his face changed.
Speaker 3: He was making this very sinister smile that morphed his face,
Speaker 3: and then he was faceless. And then all I saw
Speaker 3: was like this strange like back and forth of no
Speaker 3: face and then just this incredible, incredibly sinister face looking
Speaker 3: at me and all of them were cheering, as you know,
Speaker 3: unfortunately he but the kids would say great to me.
Speaker 3: And and at some point, I uh, I was like
Speaker 3: kind of shaken, awakened by my husband or now husband,
Speaker 3: and those kinds of things I do remember. I hate
Speaker 3: to backtrack, but there are a couple of those resurfaced.
Speaker 3: That dream specifically resurfaced flashbacks of ones that apparently had
Speaker 3: happened when I was little, but something very I mean,
Speaker 3: it was just it was unbelievable. It was so unbelievably real.
Speaker 3: And most of my dreams are like that, but I
Speaker 3: remember it was just horrible. It was absolutely horrible. And
Speaker 3: the next one I had that was the most that
Speaker 3: was a super intense one involved a pseudo like how
Speaker 3: can I put this? It was kind of like your
Speaker 3: typical astral flight dream or your astral walking dream. And
Speaker 3: I started off walking outside my house and outside, and
Speaker 3: I remember thinking like, why am I outside? It's nighttime,
Speaker 3: because I'm very conscious and aware of what's going on.
Speaker 3: And as soon as I the moment, like the conscious
Speaker 3: thought of I'm outside, Why am I outside? As soon
Speaker 3: as I thought that, I was brutally attacked outside in
Speaker 3: you know, in the in this astral and right outside
Speaker 3: my house, no one could hear me screaming. And when
Speaker 3: it was another violent attack like that last one I
Speaker 3: just told you. Around two thousand and one, I started trying.
Speaker 3: I was still heavily in the New Age, but I
Speaker 3: was getting more curious as to I was looking into
Speaker 3: what these dreams were, what kind of spiritual components were
Speaker 3: in there. And I wasn't getting as much clarity as
Speaker 3: I would have liked. You know, I was still very
Speaker 3: much believing in things like my ancestors and spirit guides
Speaker 3: and higher self, and I was, in fact much of
Speaker 3: it was encouraged to be okay with this astral travel.
Speaker 3: And now, mind you, anytime it's happening at that point,
Speaker 3: to me, something horribly violent would happen. And I stumbled
Speaker 3: upon the work of Michael s. Heiser, and he spoke
Speaker 3: of we have an unseen realm, and he's very He's
Speaker 3: not sense now passed away, but he went on a
Speaker 3: lot of his works are apologetic, and I was familiar.
Speaker 3: I grew up in a Christian home, but so I
Speaker 3: was familiar with the concept of not just familiar with
Speaker 3: the concept of the Bible, was familiar with the Bible,
Speaker 3: but his ability to show me that this spiritual stuff
Speaker 3: that I'm experience and seeing existed in the Bible, and
Speaker 3: he had language and directions to point me in in
Speaker 3: ways that would help. I felt guided would help me
Speaker 3: to find answers and kind of understanding as well as
Speaker 3: perhaps relief from this. Shortly before I fully gave myself
Speaker 3: over to the ward, about a year later after this,
Speaker 3: I had a I was still doing some Shortly before
Speaker 3: I had surrendered, I was still doing meditations and I
Speaker 3: wasn't practicing in witchcraft I mentioned earlier, I was a
Speaker 3: divination practitioner, tear at cards, pendulums, intuitive reads, things like that.
Speaker 3: I wasn't something I made money off of, but it
Speaker 3: was something I was really good at. I was also
Speaker 3: really fixated on automatic writing and channeling, which I found
Speaker 3: out through Heiser's work were gates, doorways, ways for to
Speaker 3: amplify what was happening to me in my dream life,
Speaker 3: as well as amplifying these these gifts that I had,
Speaker 3: but but perverting them, you know, and leaving me quite
Speaker 3: open to something quite dangerous. It was really before I surrendered,
Speaker 3: I had I had stopped all of the witchcraft, but
Speaker 3: I was still practicing like breathing methods and meditations, and
Speaker 3: I had been feeling, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 3: like haunted by the constellation Orion. I know I sound
Speaker 3: like a lunatic, but I'm a very intelligent, smart person.
Speaker 3: But I can't tell you I couldn't. There was nowhere
Speaker 3: I could go where I didn't see the the the
Speaker 3: alignment of the Orion constellation. Everything from three dots would
Speaker 3: be exactly placed, like the Giza Pyramid, like the Belt
Speaker 3: of Orion. I would see it everywhere. And so I
Speaker 3: was still a meditative person, and I decided, and it
Speaker 3: was actually to the point of ponting to where in
Speaker 3: my backyard or in my patio. At this time, I
Speaker 3: was still a smoker. It was on my patio, smoking cigarette.
Speaker 3: And I would do this every evening, you know, before
Speaker 3: I would go to bed or just to relax. And
Speaker 3: for at least two weeks straight, the Orion Belt was
Speaker 3: literally if I turned around, it was exactly in view
Speaker 3: from my house. After the first week, I got curious
Speaker 3: because it seemed like these stars were not moving. So
Speaker 3: I went on and got an app those ones that
Speaker 3: allow you to see the constellations where they are in
Speaker 3: the day and the night. You just kind of hold
Speaker 3: your phone or your tablet around and it'll, you know,
Speaker 3: show you where wherever you're pointing at what's out there.
Speaker 3: And the Orion belt was not there. It was supposed
Speaker 3: to be a completely different place. But for another week
Speaker 3: I saw this, and I had a bunch of pictures
Speaker 3: of it, But my my phone got attacked and I
Speaker 3: got black spring to death, and so all of the
Speaker 3: stuff on there was inaccessible. Otherwise I would share those
Speaker 3: photos with you as well, of But so I decided
Speaker 3: instead of still meditating, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna meditate.
Speaker 3: I felt this guided information to meditate to whatever this
Speaker 3: who they want me to meditate to, these orion constellations.
Speaker 3: So after everyone was asleep, I got up and I
Speaker 3: went in my living room and I opened the curtain
Speaker 3: to the patio sliding glass door which faced stay around
Speaker 3: or I could clearly see it, and I I for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, was guided to lay down on the floor
Speaker 3: instead of in a meditative position but facing it. So
Speaker 3: I did and I laid there, and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: very quick into meditation. I could go very deeply, very
Speaker 3: I was very practiced in this, and so I was
Speaker 3: just emptying myself like that you're supposed to do, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, very dangerous. I'll tell you why. So
Speaker 3: I'm laying there, breathing, relaxing, emptying, opening up to tell
Speaker 3: me what you guys want from me? What do you
Speaker 3: want me to know? The moment I get to, which
Speaker 3: is very quickly a that perfect state, with my eyes closed,
Speaker 3: I could see completely as if they with now my
Speaker 3: eyes are closed. I know this sounds very tricky. My
Speaker 3: eyes are closed, and I can see these shadow these
Speaker 3: shadow beings no taller than perhaps the height of what
Speaker 3: we consider a gray. There are seven of them, and
Speaker 3: they are slowly walking toward my body, toward my left leg,
Speaker 3: and they all reach down and touch like a hand
Speaker 3: up the length of my left leg. And as soon
Speaker 3: as they touch me, I feel like I'm being pred
Speaker 3: into mud. But I'm just in my living room on
Speaker 3: the floor, but I can the sensation is intense. At
Speaker 3: this point, I didn't I just kept going with it.
Speaker 3: I thought they're going to tell me whatever this is,
Speaker 3: and then they'll leave me alone. They slowly progress, touching
Speaker 3: my body all the way up to the left side,
Speaker 3: walking and touching, and then they all stand around my head.
Speaker 3: They're all like behind the top of my head, and
Speaker 3: they start poking tapping what is not my skull because
Speaker 3: it doesn't make that sound like it's tapping your skull.
Speaker 3: I felt like it was tapping my brain. And then
Speaker 3: one came up, one lifted my head like I felt
Speaker 3: the sensation, but I'm pretty sure I didn't move. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I wasn't watching and put its thumb
Speaker 3: like cradled my head in its hands from behind, and
Speaker 3: then put its thumbs on where your occipital lobe is,
Speaker 3: and that's the bottom like where the nape of the
Speaker 3: skull is. It's actually where our delta the delta waves
Speaker 3: are and where your dreams and how we process that
Speaker 3: area of uh you know, dream realm, spirit realm, where
Speaker 3: all of that is processed, and just touches it with
Speaker 3: both of the thumbs. And then I went as if
Speaker 3: I hadn't been breathing and sat up and I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't obviously, I didn't get any answers of what
Speaker 3: that was. Then whatever they wanted me to do, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna tell you what happened there, because I had a
Speaker 3: I took a nap one day, just late two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, a nap. My son was at school on
Speaker 3: school now, but he was at school at the time,
Speaker 3: and I thought, I'll just sitness recliner chair and take
Speaker 3: a little nap. Now, this is the I fall asleep.
Speaker 3: And one experience that happens with people who have astral.
Speaker 3: They can have these two different two things will go
Speaker 3: along with this vivid, lucid and astral dreaming, you'll get
Speaker 3: what's called pulled astral or voluntary astral, and that's where
Speaker 3: you willingly walk out of the body or you get
Speaker 3: pulled out, and along with that some this isn't less common,
Speaker 3: but you may get what I get, which is called
Speaker 3: false awakenings. And that's where you'll be in the dream
Speaker 3: and you will I think you're awake, and it's very
Speaker 3: different than astral, but you'll get up and like in
Speaker 3: this instance, I got up about five times out of
Speaker 3: the chair, walked into the kitchen or more coffee, microwaved
Speaker 3: one at one point because I could feel the temperature
Speaker 3: was not warm enough, and then got like suck back
Speaker 3: into my body. I'm back in the chair. Okay, whatever
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get up. Got This is ridiculous. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: wake up now. And I also experienced, along with the
Speaker 3: pull back into the body, this other thing, which uh
Speaker 3: I should have brought up earlier that it's called I
Speaker 3: don't know if it has a name. Vicky Joey Anderson
Speaker 3: calls it something, but it's this. It's a it's like
Speaker 3: this thing that will block your vision where it literally
Speaker 3: feels like a like a black screen is coming down
Speaker 3: and you keep having to kind of go down to
Speaker 3: try to look under the screen and try to get out.
Speaker 3: If I don't get that, I'll get the pulled back
Speaker 3: into your body thing. So it's so what my research
Speaker 3: shows it has something to do with whatever time spending
Speaker 3: through the veil that you're in the astral it's not
Speaker 3: wanting you to see and for whatever reason, they want
Speaker 3: to rewind you when they suck you back. But so anyways,
Speaker 3: the sucking back and the nap, and the nap happens
Speaker 3: at least I lost count how many times it happens.
Speaker 3: And by this point I'm super frustrated. But remember something
Speaker 3: that Vicky always stuck with me, and that was to
Speaker 3: look for the glitches. Okay, look for the glitches. Look
Speaker 3: for the thing that's off. Is there a door that
Speaker 3: shouldn't be there, furniture that you don't own, or isn't there,
Speaker 3: you know, look for because they can't fully mimic everything.
Speaker 3: And so I do, and I look, and I see, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: that door doesn't open that way, and and then I realized,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, like that chair is not that color. Okay, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: So I immediately am no longer. I just tell myself, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to like God is with me, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to be afraid. And I I had already
Speaker 3: surrendered by this point to the Lord. And as soon
Speaker 3: as I say in my mind, the thought goes through
Speaker 3: where I say, okay, all right, I'm onto you, you know,
Speaker 3: like I'm onto it. I know what's up. Someone's gonna
Speaker 3: try to come and do something crazy or mess with me,
Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna be afraid because God's with me.
Speaker 3: The moment that happens, I am, I have of the
Speaker 3: sensation of my arms and my legs are in strengths,
Speaker 3: and I can't get up, and and then I feel
Speaker 3: hand like what feels like hands on my head, like
Speaker 3: holding my head back, and I'm just sitting and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, oh my gosh, okay, all right, what's
Speaker 3: going on? And and then I hear in my left
Speaker 3: ear and it says, you know, you asked for us
Speaker 3: to come. We're not leaving, but it was more like
Speaker 3: first to come. And immediately I just said, I know
Speaker 3: that you're with me. I pray, I pray that you'll
Speaker 3: be with me right and lordly help me. And then
Speaker 3: I had a false awakening and then immediately the straps
Speaker 3: are back again, and this time I hear the Lord.
Speaker 3: The Lord tell me in my ear. He says, I'm here.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I'm here, it's all right, I'm here. And
Speaker 3: as soon as that happens, I get this sensation that
Speaker 3: two hands like like light, as if someone was behind me,
Speaker 3: and they put both with their hands over my mouth.
Speaker 3: And then I hear in my ear pray, now they've
Speaker 3: covered my mouth. And as soon as that happens, I
Speaker 3: feel the Lord tell me I'm still here. I'm still here.
Speaker 3: And then I feel my left arm or my right
Speaker 3: arm will release like there's no strap on it, and
Speaker 3: he says, the Lord tells me, I pull them out.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. But immediately went to
Speaker 3: reach to my left knee and I start pulling this
Speaker 3: like it's not smoke, it's not liquid, but it's black
Speaker 3: and it's gooey and stretchy. And I pull it out
Speaker 3: of my knee like the all the sensations of it,
Speaker 3: as if something's coming out of me. And then I
Speaker 3: as soon as I it's out, and you hear like
Speaker 3: this little kind of snappy sound. It goes like go on.
Speaker 3: And then the Lord says again, and I go and
Speaker 3: pull at my I put my hand in a fist
Speaker 3: and I'm able to grab something out of the front
Speaker 3: of my left hip and I pull the same thing
Speaker 3: I can literally feel like the stretchy grossness, same looking stuff,
Speaker 3: and goes away. And then I pull another one out
Speaker 3: of my shoulder. This went on, from what I could tell,
Speaker 3: at least seven or eight times, seven times and then
Speaker 3: then the Lord. Then I feel the sensation of a
Speaker 3: mask being put over my face and a strap around
Speaker 3: my throat and my arm is stuck again. And then
Speaker 3: and uh, and I just I hear like this this
Speaker 3: odd noise. I cannot I cannot the life of me.
Speaker 3: I can hear it in my head, but I cannot
Speaker 3: like repeat it. It's like a It almost sounds like
Speaker 3: if you were tightening straps, you know, not not a
Speaker 3: clinky metal like on a truck strap for like a semi,
Speaker 3: but like like if you were like leather straps, you know.
Speaker 3: I hear that sound and everything is getting tired on
Speaker 3: my body and now it's on my throat, and I like,
Speaker 3: I can't. I feel like I can't breathe. And then
Speaker 3: I hear the Lord and he says, I got this one.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, in my lower like
Speaker 3: where my tailbone is, I feel that stretching and pulling
Speaker 3: and stretching and pulling, but this one is huge, and
Speaker 3: it's pulling through out of my back through the chair
Speaker 3: to where I can feel myself being pulled into the
Speaker 3: chair and pulling pulling, and you can almost it almost
Speaker 3: feels like the pulling is now two hands having to
Speaker 3: pull it pulls it out. And then that one made this.
Speaker 4: Preey creepy like slow draggy sound after it was pulled out,
Speaker 4: but it almost hurt when I almost like felt pain
Speaker 4: when it finally stretchingly pulled out, and then.
Speaker 3: I all of a sudden, Okay, then I have oh
Speaker 3: that comes out, and then as I'm laying there, the
Speaker 3: throat sensation was subsided. I still couldn't move my body,
Speaker 3: but then I started going up, like flat up into
Speaker 3: the ceiling, and then everything turned light and I woke
Speaker 3: up as my poor husband walks into the living room
Speaker 3: right at that as that happened, and I just have
Speaker 3: this like shocked look my face. And mind you, he's supportive,
Speaker 3: but like he's never experienced anything like this. Though it
Speaker 3: took me a minute to even realize I wasn't there anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was that it was that intense. I
Speaker 3: later on I had a dream and I felt the
Speaker 3: Lord was explaining to me that this was those things
Speaker 3: being pulled out of me whatever I had invited in.
Speaker 3: You know, the whole concept of like Hitchhiker, why I
Speaker 3: definitely reward against. You know, people need to think about
Speaker 3: what they're doing and the actual gravitas of what they're
Speaker 3: doing when they're doing this like ce five psionic stuff.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this because of what happened. That the
Speaker 3: Lord really showed me about what happened to me is
Speaker 3: these things, Yes, they came, and the eye openly opened
Speaker 3: the door for them to come to me, but then
Speaker 3: they came to my kids, and it ended up in
Speaker 3: a situation with which I had a deliverance dream where
Speaker 3: I delivered my son from this like I had done
Speaker 3: to myself, essentially, you know, with the Lord's help. What
Speaker 3: my understanding was is that that was a deliverance of
Speaker 3: those out of myself and with my son. In that situation,
Speaker 3: I was in a another lucid dream. Side note my
Speaker 3: I have had shared dreams with my children, especially quite
Speaker 3: a lot of them with with my youngest who's on
Speaker 3: the spectrum, and oddly enough my with my son, I've
Speaker 3: had these wild ones where we've whenever I have a
Speaker 3: dream with him, there's always like a weird portal and
Speaker 3: it's been kind of a fascinating little pride note. But
Speaker 3: in this one with him, we were in a in
Speaker 3: this house that had no doors on the inside. It
Speaker 3: had doorways into different rooms, but there was no exit out.
Speaker 3: We were walking around for a little bit and I
Speaker 3: was I noticed that that there's no there weren't even windows,
Speaker 3: there were just rooms with no doors and just the doorway.
Speaker 3: And the moment I was like, okay, well we need
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I'm just thinking this in my mind, I
Speaker 3: need to get him out of here. I feel like
Speaker 3: something's coming and that as soon as that happens, there
Speaker 3: are these two huge, huge black dogs, not like a Rottweiler,
Speaker 3: more like a looking like a like a wolf looking,
Speaker 3: but but but very like demonic looking, and they're behind me,
Speaker 3: but they're like in slow motion and they can't I'm
Speaker 3: holding my son's hand and I'm just reminding myself like
Speaker 3: I do and have learned to not have fear period
Speaker 3: when when, whenever this is happening because a lot of
Speaker 3: these spirits and a lot of this stuff in this
Speaker 3: realm really enjoys when you're afraid. That's the whole point.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of loution energy grabbing that's involved, and
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, you're more likely to make
Speaker 3: a contract with them or do what it is that
Speaker 3: they want, you know, if you're either afraid or you know,
Speaker 3: there's even instances where you're uh tricked or you know, seduced,
Speaker 3: which is another thing we'll get into do in here
Speaker 3: a second, and like involving incubus succubist type stuff and
Speaker 3: what people do when they pleasure themselves. I got to
Speaker 3: see what those little demons look like and it's horrible.
Speaker 3: So in this deliverance with my son, I see these
Speaker 3: dogs that are slowed down. They're like literally at a
Speaker 3: slowed down rate. I can tell they're running to us.
Speaker 3: They're like not foaming at the mouth, but they are
Speaker 3: teeth snarling, looking like they're ready to attack us. And
Speaker 3: as soon as I notice, there's this cat and it
Speaker 3: comes up to me, and I have this knowing to
Speaker 3: follow this cat. The cat knows the way out, so
Speaker 3: I start following the cat. But the cat goes into
Speaker 3: like this closet. It has a door, but it's a closet,
Speaker 3: and I just have this knowing, Okay, we have to
Speaker 3: go in here. Go in there. I close the door
Speaker 3: and I lock it. There's a lock on it, and
Speaker 3: my son is sitting down in this chair that's in
Speaker 3: this closet, and the cat's just chilling out on the floor.
Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, it's like those dogs were
Speaker 3: now not in slow motion, they were growing nuts at
Speaker 3: the door. And as soon as I'm thinking, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: what am I going to do, my son collapses to
Speaker 3: the floor and he is his eyes are as if
Speaker 3: they're rolled back in his head. He's motionless, he's not breathing,
Speaker 3: and I just hear, I have this knowing that comes
Speaker 3: into my head that says, put him on your lap,
Speaker 3: and you need to prey on him right now. And
Speaker 3: so I didn't grab him, scoop him in my arms,
Speaker 3: lay him across my lap, and I just put my
Speaker 3: hand on him, and I start praying, and then the
Speaker 3: Lord says, no, you're going to command them out. You're
Speaker 3: going to command them out. And I don't even remember
Speaker 3: what I said. It was nothing like an Exorcist movie,
Speaker 3: though you know I wasn't. It was literally the symbol
Speaker 3: words that I said, and I did it three times,
Speaker 3: and then all of a.
Speaker 2: Sudden, that same stuff that I pulled out of meat
Speaker 2: came shooting up out of my son's mouth, that even
Speaker 2: came out his ears and his eyes and his nose
Speaker 2: and just went away.
Speaker 3: And he went and was awake, and as soon as
Speaker 3: he took in a breath, a door like a doorway
Speaker 3: opened with light outside, and the crat goes out, and
Speaker 3: I just have my son in my arms and we
Speaker 3: go out the door and I wake up and h yeah,
Speaker 3: that was insane. It weirded me out, but also was
Speaker 3: oddly very empowering because there was just this inner knowing
Speaker 3: that that these things, you know, Bicky Joy Underson goes
Speaker 3: over a lot of it, these things in the spirit,
Speaker 3: whether you're whether it's sent from the enemy, you know,
Speaker 3: like the devil, darkness, or witches or any kind of
Speaker 3: practitioner or people that that know and utilize these areas.
Speaker 3: These are We're very susceptible when we're asleep. The Bible
Speaker 3: speaks of it very often, people asking for your protection
Speaker 3: while they're sleeping. And that is not because of animals
Speaker 3: they're going to come to eat them. It's because when
Speaker 3: we're asleep, we are vulnerable, you know, sleep purless. I
Speaker 3: know all of the the medical terminology and the reasoning
Speaker 3: why that there is so much to this that is
Speaker 3: by far more than just the biological state that happens
Speaker 3: in the mind and with the body to paralyze it
Speaker 3: so that it doesn't get up and move around. In
Speaker 3: my own research with like I said, with the uf
Speaker 3: UFO of deputies in my lab people, the same kind
Speaker 3: of scenario is happening to them, but it's aliens that
Speaker 3: they see. For me, I see like paranormal, demonic looking
Speaker 3: stuff and it's been the same experience with my all
Speaker 3: three of my kids when when they have had these things.
Speaker 3: And and I do believe some people are more susceptible,
Speaker 3: you know. I've done some studies with looking into a
Speaker 3: lot of like Gary Wayne's work and Fritz Springmire, and
Speaker 3: you know, they understand like the bloodlines stuff and people
Speaker 3: with gifts. But either way, you amplify these things when
Speaker 3: you have gates. You know. I I was a former alcoholic.
Speaker 3: I close some gates with that. But the bloodline stuff
Speaker 3: involves contracts that can be made even in our dreams
Speaker 3: and uh you know, like I did with the Orion thing,
Speaker 3: any kind of uh CE five psionic type stuff and
Speaker 3: open gates for hitchhikers. And I had no idea that
Speaker 3: I was my bloodline was already prone to this familiar
Speaker 3: spirit which is how it's called hit is called hitchhiker
Speaker 3: effect in you know, in the paranormal of like ghosts
Speaker 3: and with upology bionics. But for the most part, in
Speaker 3: the bloodline stuff, it's called familiar spirits and even in
Speaker 3: in the occult and New Age they'll call it that.
Speaker 3: But I got to see what uh I do warnt against,
Speaker 3: you know, I want people to look at look up
Speaker 3: some of these, you know, Gary, Wayne, Michael as Heiser,
Speaker 3: Vicky joy Anderson. But uh, Vicky has particularly wanted me
Speaker 3: to share seeing the the lust, one of the lust
Speaker 3: and masturbation things. So I have been uh, I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not the first person that this has happened to
Speaker 3: a lot of people who have had you know, Betsy dreams.
Speaker 3: And I've had horrifying ones and ones that I thought
Speaker 3: were great, and I would also have these. The closer
Speaker 3: I got to the Lord, I started experiencing a reminder
Speaker 3: of ones I used to get as a child where
Speaker 3: and I won't be super graphic, but where it would
Speaker 3: be as if one is touching themselves. And uh, there
Speaker 3: was an instance that happened in uh, an attack of
Speaker 3: that nature about six six months ago. And as soon
Speaker 3: as in in that realm, I'm because it's vivid, it's lucid.
Speaker 3: There were I noticed the glitches, but for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: I wasn't stopping what I was doing. And ah, then
Speaker 3: there was just like this this uh overwhelming sense of
Speaker 3: what am I doing? And I stopped what I was
Speaker 3: doing and really took in the glitches I was seeing,
Speaker 3: and like Where am I? What is this? Why? Why?
Speaker 3: And then as soon as I was in my mind,
Speaker 3: I was thinking, why do they want me to do this?
Speaker 3: And by day I mean whatever attacts me and you know,
Speaker 3: comes for me in these this realm. I see in
Speaker 3: my peripheral to the left a shadow and then I look,
Speaker 3: I turn my whole head. I turn and there is
Speaker 3: this little like he's kind of black. He's not really scaly,
Speaker 3: but sort of and he's like he's like squatting down
Speaker 3: but on his feet. You know, so if you were
Speaker 3: to go from standing to down to where not your
Speaker 3: butt's on the ground, but just your feet. He's squatting
Speaker 3: like that. He has both his he's holding his hands
Speaker 3: and they're kind of ringing, you know how you like
Speaker 3: wring your hands. He's doing that and like hopping, bouncing
Speaker 3: up and down. He's and he's going, come, come, give
Speaker 3: it to me, Give it to come Kaklan. And I
Speaker 3: look over and I was like what And I was like, no,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna have it. And I woke up. But
Speaker 3: right before I woke up, I had this knowing that
Speaker 3: that is what waits to collect your in your energy,
Speaker 3: your sacrifice, which is which in the spirit, spiritual component
Speaker 3: is what you know self pleasure is, that's what's waiting
Speaker 3: for you. And if people could see, I wish I
Speaker 3: was a better artist, because I would draw it. If
Speaker 3: you could see what is waiting to take that from you,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't whatever. You wouldn't want to give it to
Speaker 3: him either. I mean, it was just the creepiest, weirdest
Speaker 3: thing I'd ever seen. But I mean I've seen I've
Speaker 3: seen some wild stuff, and but these are these are
Speaker 3: just some of them. I've also had some really wild
Speaker 3: I also have hate saying like, oh, I'm a prophetic dreamer,
Speaker 3: but that happens sometimes to me. That's happened quite a
Speaker 3: lot throughout my life. A wild one that happened last
Speaker 3: year before. Let's see which date was it? Looking through
Speaker 3: one of mys a dream journal here.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was in uh October, in October. Yeah, I had
Speaker 3: a dream. Some of the context is not it was
Speaker 3: really just for me. But there was a dream that
Speaker 3: I had where I saw all of these like everyone
Speaker 3: was looking up into the skies and I saw all
Speaker 3: these planes falling out of the sky, flying upside down
Speaker 3: like like regular planes, and then some planes like and
Speaker 3: helicopters like with their like just their wings and stuff
Speaker 3: just like falling off and they're just all crashing. And
Speaker 3: of course that's something that we we've been seeing lately.
Speaker 3: Although I did find out that in the UFO adductee
Speaker 3: community is very common to have. There's quite a number
Speaker 3: of people that I've befriended that they've also had the
Speaker 3: planes falling from the sky. And then shortly after that
Speaker 3: I'd had another one where because a lot of these
Speaker 3: people a lot of these these things in the spirit
Speaker 3: will they like to like I've mentioned a few times,
Speaker 3: they create they want you to make a covenant or
Speaker 3: a deal or a contract. The very legalistic and this
Speaker 3: can be which is you know, which is Vicky Duranmerson
Speaker 3: talks about that. I've experienced that a number of people.
Speaker 3: But that'll actually be which is traveling through the Assholt
Speaker 3: trying to see if they can, you know, get you
Speaker 3: into a deal. There's also them onnic spirits that will
Speaker 3: do that. A lot of familiar spirits will do that.
Speaker 3: That that means those are spirits that have been in
Speaker 3: your family line, that have been uh with a contract
Speaker 3: has been made either in the waking or in the
Speaker 3: sleep knowingly or unknowingly, which is frustrating, I know, because
Speaker 3: you don't even know if this is Sometimes we don't
Speaker 3: remember our dreams, right, so maybe you don't know if
Speaker 3: you did something. A good A good tip is I
Speaker 3: always call it the Owls in Wonderland tip, and that is,
Speaker 3: don't eat anything your best ability, don't drink anything, don't
Speaker 3: take any gifts. I've had everything from people trying to
Speaker 3: give me cats, like trying to get me like here
Speaker 3: take my cat, or here, don't you want this drink?
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I'm not gonna say it hasn't
Speaker 3: happened where I've I've industed whatever it is or taken
Speaker 3: whatever by surprise. But a good a good hip for
Speaker 3: people when you wake up, I would advise, and I
Speaker 3: do advise because the only thing that's given me any
Speaker 3: kind of control or power and peace in this because
Speaker 3: I can't stop it from happening, it happens when it happens,
Speaker 3: is knowing that the Lord has given us the power
Speaker 3: to tread on scorpions and snakes, and like Ephesians six
Speaker 3: twelve talks about we that'll not against flesh and blood,
Speaker 3: but principalities, spiritual wickedness in high places. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not the only person who sees the world the
Speaker 3: way it is is being quite off, very evil in
Speaker 3: some aspects, and things manifesting to where we have people
Speaker 3: doing and acting in ways that almost seem like they're possessed.
Speaker 3: That's because we live in a spiritual world. For what
Speaker 3: was I saying? Sorry, Oh, but as far as like
Speaker 3: the when you wake up from in the morning, there
Speaker 3: are there are some tips I might give when you
Speaker 3: go to sleep and when you wake up. Some people
Speaker 3: you might be too tired or like that nap day,
Speaker 3: I didn't pray before I went and took a nap.
Speaker 3: But it's a good, good habit to get in even
Speaker 3: if you are not a follower price I do recommend
Speaker 3: just looking these up on your phone, these Bible verses.
Speaker 3: I won't read them here unless you want me to.
Speaker 3: But so Almost twenty seven really was very powerful for anybody.
Speaker 3: For me of it touched me and gave me a
Speaker 3: sense of home when it came to this whole realm
Speaker 3: that I've had these attacks. And you know, in the
Speaker 3: spirit realm, Psalm twenty seven is really great. And then
Speaker 3: Psalm ninety one is a very powerful prayer. My friend
Speaker 3: who was on your show, Mario, he and I both
Speaker 3: really like that one. That one is a protection prayer.
Speaker 3: And also, of course Ephesians six versus ten through twenty
Speaker 3: I recommend. And then Isaiah fifty four seventeen is super powerful,
Speaker 3: and that is I will read that it's short, but
Speaker 3: that one is no weapon formed against you shall prosper,
Speaker 3: and every tongue which rises against you in judgment you
Speaker 3: shall condemn. This is the heritage of my servants of
Speaker 3: the Lord, and the righteousness from me. So because for
Speaker 3: me it's very personal when these attacks are happening, I
Speaker 3: do see a pattern and people that have these intents
Speaker 3: continued experiences. Vicky Jory Anderson always kind of coins it
Speaker 3: as us not being We're not this is this isn't
Speaker 3: happening to us. This is happening for us because we are.
Speaker 3: Actually I look at this as spiritual training, like spiritual
Speaker 3: warfare training. This is an experience that I have, that's
Speaker 3: part of my reality in my life that not everybody has,
Speaker 3: but it is very real. And if they're if this
Speaker 3: is something that I'm experiencing, and I know others are,
Speaker 3: but they don't, they don't know what's happening to them.
Speaker 3: I want them it might be, you know, not all
Speaker 3: up to me, but I feel very guided to help
Speaker 3: teach people how to take the offense in these situations,
Speaker 3: to help them understand what is actually happening and maybe
Speaker 3: even perhaps why. I've gotten to know a number of
Speaker 3: people that I've gotten to know them enough to where
Speaker 3: we can, you know, divulge personal information or they'll they'll
Speaker 3: be comfortable enough to talk to me about like their family,
Speaker 3: their bloodline, things like that and you know, things, so
Speaker 3: we can find connections as to where perhaps a familial
Speaker 3: spirit uh stronghold was put in and you know, we
Speaker 3: can work against that at least, just kind of finding
Speaker 3: out what's after you? What why why are you being attacked?
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier having gates open with substance use. That's
Speaker 3: that's really a good gateway. And then of course I
Speaker 3: wasn't an alcoholic when I was a little girl, but
Speaker 3: I was able to discover what those familiar spirits, what
Speaker 3: those strongholds and principalities that were after my bloodline, what
Speaker 3: why they were attacking me even as a child. And
Speaker 3: you know, it sounds like I'm talking a bunch of
Speaker 3: wild stuff. This is wild stuff, but it's very real.
Speaker 3: And you know, I understand the sign of our brain
Speaker 3: processing our day, but none of this kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that I just even just even just the small bit
Speaker 3: that I told you about, is stuff that happens during
Speaker 3: anybody's normal day. So and people will say, oh, people
Speaker 3: have a wonderful imagination, and I do have a good imagination.
Speaker 3: But these are things especially, you know, I wouldn't I
Speaker 3: wouldn't put I wouldn't even put my worst enemy through
Speaker 3: these these kinds of things, because it is it is
Speaker 3: so it's so wild to have something where you're just sleeping.
Speaker 3: All you did was want to get you. All you
Speaker 3: did was go to sleep. He fell asleep, wanted to
Speaker 3: or fell asleep, and you are in a in a
Speaker 3: whole other experience of reality, you know. And and it's
Speaker 3: been comforting to find other people who are experienced experiencing
Speaker 3: the same thing, have experienced the same thing, going through
Speaker 3: the same thing. It's been you know, slightly validating or
Speaker 3: if anything, just comforting too. No, you're not the only
Speaker 3: person having all the you know, getting attacked in when
Speaker 3: all you're trying to do is sleep. But there are
Speaker 3: ways too, there are ways to fight back. And if
Speaker 3: this is happening to you and you're not quite sure
Speaker 3: of what to do, one thing for sure, I recommend.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're not into prayer, but if you wake up
Speaker 3: every morning, if you wake up when we wake up
Speaker 3: in the morning, if you wake up, there's a reason
Speaker 3: you're alive. There's a reason you're awake. Some people didn't
Speaker 3: wake up. You woke up, You wake up. Remember the dream,
Speaker 3: you don't remember the dream. You can actually pray and pray.
Speaker 3: You can just say, Lord, have my father, I pray
Speaker 3: that you will if I that you will break and
Speaker 3: cancel any contract, covenant, or feel or promise I may
Speaker 3: have made, knowingly or unknowingly in the dream. Realm, Amen.
Speaker 3: I know it's not silly, but if you really, you know,
Speaker 3: if this is happening to you, it's very powerful. And
Speaker 3: a lot of those experiences of this phenomenon that I
Speaker 3: have come to know, the only ones that are really
Speaker 3: having relief are the ones that have gone to Christ.
Speaker 3: I'm not pretreating a religion. I don't practice a religion.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm a follower of Jesus and the Bible.
Speaker 3: I really do believe that this is it is an
Speaker 3: insanely spiritual thing, and it needs to be battled with
Speaker 3: spiritual means. It needs to be you know, this spiritual war.
Speaker 3: You know that I'm being forged in. I know who knows.
Speaker 3: I mean, if I could just help one person, like
Speaker 3: I said earlier, if I could help a person who
Speaker 3: was me just five years ago, and be like, hey, uh,
Speaker 3: you know who knows? Even just even if I never
Speaker 3: meet the one person that I'm able to help, That's
Speaker 3: why many because even if just a little bit puts
Speaker 3: them in a direction of having some kind of maybe
Speaker 3: it doesn't go away, but just some kind of offense,
Speaker 3: you know, instead of defensively being like Jesus helped me,
Speaker 3: which has worked for me and a couple of times didn't.
Speaker 3: But knowing that they're after me for a reason, there's
Speaker 3: something about me that they they want and I've come
Speaker 3: to know that it's and I don't mean this in
Speaker 3: any egotistical fashion, because I'm not excited about having a
Speaker 3: target on my head, but they want. They want me
Speaker 3: because if they could take me down, then I uh
Speaker 3: that if they if they if they take me down
Speaker 3: and bring them up, you know, go back to being
Speaker 3: in witchcraft and all that stuff. Then then they don't
Speaker 3: have to worry about me if they've got me. But
Speaker 3: now that I've gone to Christ, they they're like, oh no,
Speaker 3: you know, this is like a formidable foe. Now she's
Speaker 3: been trained up with this stuff. And I really feel
Speaker 3: that that's that's that's something, you know. I have a
Speaker 3: much longer story that Pepper's in with all these things
Speaker 3: and dreams up the wazoo, But I really believe that
Speaker 3: this is something. I know people are experiencing this, and
Speaker 3: I've actually come to see that more of it's intensifying,
Speaker 3: and a lot of my UFO experiencers are now having
Speaker 3: a view of what's happening as very spiritual in itself.
Speaker 3: I've had I go on spaces a lot. It's the
Speaker 3: same name that I have here on X and I've
Speaker 3: gotten to know a number of really great people over
Speaker 3: there who have experienced both the same things that I
Speaker 3: experienced and also consider themselves more UFO abductees. But we're
Speaker 3: dealing with these insanely narcissistic energies, right, these spirits whatever
Speaker 3: they're looking there, they're branding themselves, you know, over here
Speaker 3: they look like this, like I said earlier, and over
Speaker 3: here they look like this. It's it's really the same thing,
Speaker 3: and it's very spiritual and dark and very self serving,
Speaker 3: you know. And and even on both sides, I've noticed
Speaker 3: people who on the UFO side, once they realized that
Speaker 3: for themselves, they've realized that this that even when they
Speaker 3: were nice to them, these these entities that are attacking them,
Speaker 3: and entities like I had where they're being nice, they're
Speaker 3: actually just doing whatever to get what they want, whether
Speaker 3: they forcefully take it from me or they coherse me
Speaker 3: to get into agreement. Either way, it's it's serving only
Speaker 3: to them, and they don't like it when you fight back.
Speaker 3: I've physically like bought things like I go on. I
Speaker 3: have these some of these dreams that I just call
Speaker 3: them little missions. They because I fight stuff. It's wild
Speaker 3: battle things that look crazy. And then I also just
Speaker 3: sometimes they look like people, but they're not people. They
Speaker 3: have these big black eyes, and there's a way to
Speaker 3: you know this, this whole realm is happening. You know,
Speaker 3: it happens every time we sleep. I brought up that
Speaker 3: occipital lobe for a reason because what I came to
Speaker 3: understand had happened to me during that orion experience meditation,
Speaker 3: I ended up having another dream that just brought clarity
Speaker 3: to it. And in the dream, I literally heard occipital lobe,
Speaker 3: occipital lobe like occipit three times. And so the next
Speaker 3: morning I was writing my dreams down and I was like,
Speaker 3: apparently I need to look up occipital lobe. And that
Speaker 3: was where I had gathered that knowledge of like the
Speaker 3: delta waves, and that that's where our brain processes the
Speaker 3: dream realm and sleep, and and those who have vivid,
Speaker 3: astral and lucid dreaming that and consciousness. While they're like,
Speaker 3: I'm fully conscious when I'm sleeping, it's in the dreams
Speaker 3: I'm fully aware. But that's where it all occurs in
Speaker 3: the brain, is the occipital you know. And I feel
Speaker 3: like that has been knowledge that the Lord the Holy
Speaker 3: Spirit's given me to help me understand what's going on.
Speaker 3: I definitely don't claim to have all the answers, and
Speaker 3: I'm definitely still learning. But you know, this this is
Speaker 3: a like I met my friend who was on here,
Speaker 3: I met him over on X and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what your two cents are when it
Speaker 3: comes to this phenomenon, but it's I mean, it's as
Speaker 3: real as as me sitting here talking to you. That's
Speaker 3: that's the intensity of some of these experiences. And the palpability,
Speaker 3: like the palpable sense. I mean, it's literally palpa when
Speaker 3: the experience itself and to to throw it for people,
Speaker 3: to throw it away with just it being just a dream.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people grew up hearing that,
Speaker 3: oh it's just a dream. It's okay. I don't tell
Speaker 3: my kids that I never have because of my own experiences,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's there's something happening there, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it is eerily similar. When I've like I said,
Speaker 3: I've gotten to know a lot of the UFO community,
Speaker 3: and I've got teased very very similar experiences. They just
Speaker 3: appear differently. And I'm obviously very long winded.
Speaker 1: Often do you have these dreams?
Speaker 3: They have? They I have very vivid dreams usually every night.
Speaker 3: I have actually been experiencing a lot of spiritual warfare
Speaker 3: for those of you, those who know, they know, But
Speaker 3: it is the effects of the unseen realm I have.
Speaker 3: I kind of put a target on myself. I went
Speaker 3: over and and got got some pulled up my bootstraps
Speaker 3: and thought, oh, I can do this, and so I
Speaker 3: went over on X and and you know, had talked
Speaker 3: in a bunch of spaces over there and got kind
Speaker 3: of like spiritually attacked by people who were curious of
Speaker 3: I know this sounds weird, like to say this, this
Speaker 3: is spiritually attacked, but it's real. I mean, just the
Speaker 3: fact that I had shared information. I'm not afraid of it.
Speaker 3: It's not fun, it's not common casperable, but these kinds
Speaker 3: of dreams will intensify. Recently, I've been having where I
Speaker 3: I'm not remembering the dreams, and that's usually a sign
Speaker 3: for me, at least throughout my adult life, that's the
Speaker 3: sign that what I have language for now, it's a
Speaker 3: sign of uh interception, there's something that it's either the
Speaker 3: Lord is uh either not wanting you know, doesn't want
Speaker 3: me to remember, or he's given me the information I
Speaker 3: need or healing, or it's it's someone not wanting to
Speaker 3: you know, someone has come in and tried to do
Speaker 3: something to stop the dream, you know, whether they've tried
Speaker 3: witchcraft or they've tried some sort of other thing. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that I believe in it, that I am
Speaker 3: some sort of my labs person or although some of
Speaker 3: my experiences from UFO people have said, wow, that's exactly
Speaker 3: the same thing. Maybe they're just showing them, you know.
Speaker 3: Like I said before, but I my vivid dream I
Speaker 3: have vivid dreams every night. And there is something very
Speaker 3: true to the people have heard about the witching hour, right,
Speaker 3: it's called that. It's been called that forever, and that
Speaker 3: time frame is technically from twelve midnight to five am,
Speaker 3: a very prominent time frame between two thirty and three thirty.
Speaker 3: That's typically, you know, when I'm having a set of
Speaker 3: by setup, I mean days on days in a row
Speaker 3: of super intense dreams, especially ones that have like these
Speaker 3: mission experiences, like with the portal stuff and with where
Speaker 3: I'm fighting things. I haven't had any of the like
Speaker 3: graping and you know, the incubus suckupist experiences. I haven't
Speaker 3: been and having those for a while, which is great,
Speaker 3: to be honest, because I've seen what those things look like.
Speaker 3: But I do I have these. Uh I guess I
Speaker 3: shouldn't say I don't have them anymore, because I do.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm I'm much more offensive in this situation,
Speaker 3: and because I'm not coming I as soon as I know,
Speaker 3: I already know for me that I'm gonna have a
Speaker 3: lucid to the dream. It's going to be that way,
Speaker 3: short or long. However, the duration of the dream is
Speaker 3: not the point. The point that I made sure to
Speaker 3: make is that I don't have fear. And now that
Speaker 3: I've toned that, you know, there's uh. I always jo
Speaker 3: I joke that they're they're more like little snake oilmen,
Speaker 3: you know, snake oil salesmen. They just want to try
Speaker 3: to get me to make any kind of little deal,
Speaker 3: whether they show up as U Donald Trump or or
Speaker 3: like weird things like ladies thrown coins at All of
Speaker 3: these things are symbolic, and I don't recommend jumping into
Speaker 3: dream interpretation books. Try to understand. Usually if you write
Speaker 3: the dream down, just a little tip, write the dream down,
Speaker 3: sometimes you'll get more out of writing it down than
Speaker 3: you do trying to figure out why some color was
Speaker 3: in your dream, or why these ladies were throwing coins
Speaker 3: at you, or you know, why Donald Trump really wanted
Speaker 3: you to come watch his son get his haircut. That
Speaker 3: happened to me. I was well, and I was just like, yeah, whatever, okay,
Speaker 3: go get your song's haircut. I'm not talking down or up,
Speaker 3: but it was just the randomness. But having I think,
Speaker 3: I think the try not to have fear because like
Speaker 3: I do not I'm not a fan of the unbelievable
Speaker 3: horror of h and not to be tmi, but in
Speaker 3: real life I have had a I was great and
Speaker 3: you know, nobody wants to repeat that. So if if
Speaker 3: so far, I have a knowing through the Holy Spirit
Speaker 3: that that as long as I know that the spirit
Speaker 3: of fear comes from the enemy, it comes from the devil.
Speaker 3: He is the author of confusion and fear and lies.
Speaker 3: So any of that I don't even have to have
Speaker 3: because like the Bible says, the Lord gives us the
Speaker 3: spirit of peace and of a sound mind and seems
Speaker 3: only to prosper you. So when I lean in on
Speaker 3: that and know that that that anxiety, uh, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have to have that. And on top of it,
Speaker 3: to be honest, I kind of enjoy the fact that
Speaker 3: it pisses them off that I don't give them the fear.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just like the stubborn of covern nature in myself,
Speaker 3: a resilient nature in myself from probably trauma, but uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't like giving it to him. I
Speaker 3: don't want to give that little creep you know, is
Speaker 3: asturbation energy. I don't want to give it to them
Speaker 3: like through that guy. And so I over answered that question.
Speaker 3: I apologize.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, So, you've been experiencing this
Speaker 1: for a very long time, and you're obviously married, you
Speaker 1: have children. MM, does this have any sort of impact
Speaker 1: on that, like your family life or have you been
Speaker 1: able to because I know, like sometimes when I talk
Speaker 1: with people, and I've been guilty of this myself, not
Speaker 1: everyone that doesn't experience it is able to understand what
Speaker 1: the other person's going through.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I know what you're what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: With my kids, I have when older boys they're young
Speaker 3: adults now and my youngest is almost eleven. But it
Speaker 3: my it's been they've they've all experienced it. My youngest
Speaker 3: it's it's a little more difficult because of conveying, because
Speaker 3: of the being on the spectrum. It also makes him
Speaker 3: slightly more of a target. From what my research has
Speaker 3: shown that I've really looked into and and and the
Speaker 3: whole shared dream thing. But the impact with my older
Speaker 3: boys and you know, obviously with my youngest they don't
Speaker 3: share the details of things. But I I use my
Speaker 3: discernment and you know, mother's intuition to be able to
Speaker 3: talk to him and understand, and and I pray over him.
Speaker 3: I pray for all my children protection, you know, in
Speaker 3: their sleep and their dreams and then they're waking. The
Speaker 3: only hard part was, yes, it was very hard to
Speaker 3: talk to my husband about it for some time. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I think the only other person I had told, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, in at least in the adult portions of
Speaker 3: dream dreaming, my dad did tell me that he had
Speaker 3: experienced that growing up, uh so, and and that that
Speaker 3: of course ties into the familial line things that I
Speaker 3: was telling you about. But with with my husband, you know,
Speaker 3: my brother was the only other person as far as
Speaker 3: the adult stuff. And then the first but the first
Speaker 3: time my my now husband had experienced it was that
Speaker 3: I call it the Mark Wallbart nightmare. Was that and
Speaker 3: you know he so he physically and and uh you know,
Speaker 3: a couple of times as a teenager my parents had
Speaker 3: come in and like had to wake me up. Some
Speaker 3: of those dreams have been blocked out for I'm not
Speaker 3: quite sure why but but you know, they would wake
Speaker 3: me up because I would be making noises or one
Speaker 3: time I believe I was crying, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: like make crying already but still asleep, and then woke
Speaker 3: up and was crying. But when that first one happened,
Speaker 3: I remember telling my husband, you know, the first one
Speaker 3: with him, when that happened, I remember telling him like
Speaker 3: what I saw. And you know, his first response is
Speaker 3: very common, which is just it's okay, it's just a dream.
Speaker 3: And you know, he was trying to comfort me, and
Speaker 3: but I didn't have the language, and yes I was.
Speaker 3: I was afraid to say, hey, guess what, you're about
Speaker 3: to marry a lady who this happens to all the time,
Speaker 3: you know, because of the tent, because because yes, there
Speaker 3: are there for the most part people, I think it
Speaker 3: people will experience this much more than they're willing to
Speaker 3: admit because they don't want to be labeled as crazy
Speaker 3: or oh you're making a whole lot bad and nothing,
Speaker 3: or it's just a bad dream. You know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of these. He's labeled, dis labeled it, I mean,
Speaker 3: you get labeled, you get you get pigeonholed, you get
Speaker 3: uh you're making some big thing out of nothing, but uh,
Speaker 3: it is something. I mean. The the thing that that
Speaker 3: my my uh husband realized was was the reaction of
Speaker 3: like especially that one where you know that Mark Warble
Speaker 3: Wilburg won and then the one where I had pulled
Speaker 3: all the stuff out of me and he just saw
Speaker 3: my face like his exact words was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: like are you okay? Like you look like you're in shock,
Speaker 3: and and I was like, I ended up sitting in
Speaker 3: the chair like not moving quiet. And that was the
Speaker 3: first time that my husband really, I bless his heart,
Speaker 3: but I really felt that it registered that like something
Speaker 3: happens that when that happens to me, you know, even
Speaker 3: though he remembered the He's remembered there's been times where
Speaker 3: I'd made noises and he had to wake me up,
Speaker 3: or I'd like whimpering and and and and whatnot, or
Speaker 3: crying like in that other one. And but he said
Speaker 3: that that was the first time, and that was you know,
Speaker 3: a couple of about a little over a year ago,
Speaker 3: almost two years ago that he really grasped the fact
Speaker 3: that nobody reacts like that if they don't see something,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of like was his name. Heinek, the
Speaker 3: guy who went out and interviewed people who had had
Speaker 3: abduct the productions and UFO sightings. You know there it
Speaker 3: was there, their testimony, their delivery of it. That was
Speaker 3: he was able to and he was able to weed
Speaker 3: out the ones that seemed like they were just trying
Speaker 3: to hop on and hop along the wagon, you know,
Speaker 3: like get along and and be a part of something
Speaker 3: or be special and they were lying. You know, he
Speaker 3: could you could tell the difference between when someone is
Speaker 3: telling you a terrifying you know, uh an experience that
Speaker 3: they uh and and when they're not. And that was
Speaker 3: the first time that my husband was really like, Okay,
Speaker 3: something is something is happening and you know, and I
Speaker 3: uh it it's hard and I know it's it's it's
Speaker 3: it's hard enough to go through it, but it is
Speaker 3: hard to be someone who isn't an experiencer or having
Speaker 3: any of this kind of stuff two to be even
Speaker 3: even sympathetic. I mean, you can see the fear, but
Speaker 3: uh yeah, that was the first time that he really
Speaker 3: was like whoa you know, you know, because I was
Speaker 3: I was now here, I am I'm sober for you know,
Speaker 3: over three years and you know, I'm not into the
Speaker 3: Witchcroft stuff anymore, and so I'm I'm essentially of more
Speaker 3: sound mind than before. And to see his his reaction
Speaker 3: of my reaction in its own way. I hate to
Speaker 3: say this sounds maybe it sounds sad, but it was
Speaker 3: very It was It was like the first time feeling
Speaker 3: a little validated about it. Not that I was never comforted,
Speaker 3: and he knows this. He knows this, Not that I
Speaker 3: was never comforted, but yeah, I know what it's like
Speaker 3: to have someone who who just doesn't know because they
Speaker 3: just don't know, not understand and be really close to you.
Speaker 3: Now he's he's much more supportive about it, you know,
Speaker 3: he knows. Uh. Okay, occasionally I'll I'll tell him, you know,
Speaker 3: like a a really a mission dream or I remember
Speaker 3: him being super tripped out about the planes, remembering the
Speaker 3: plane dream and then and and also the one that
Speaker 3: had the the giant balls in the sky with these
Speaker 3: things that look like giant mosquitos, which was very strange
Speaker 3: because it was very eerie to the orbs and the
Speaker 3: Jersey Throne stuff. I turned out I'm not the only
Speaker 3: other person that has has had had those little kind
Speaker 3: of foresights or whatever. But you know, he occasionally he'll
Speaker 3: get blown away with some of those kind of pseudo
Speaker 3: premonition ones and and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, it's the struggle
Speaker 1: of accepting the I don't want to say unbelievable, but
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it sounds like to some people. Is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you hear these types of stories and you hear
Speaker 1: these types of events that happen with people, it's hard
Speaker 1: for others to understand it because they've never experienced it,
Speaker 1: and without experiencing anything like that, I don't think they're
Speaker 1: capable of really comprehending that sort of reality.
Speaker 3: And I think that and that's and that is totally understandable,
Speaker 3: you know. And I I know about that hurdle personally,
Speaker 3: and I know that I'm not alone with that hurdle,
Speaker 3: and but ultimately I just take that and I have
Speaker 3: grace with it, right Like, I understand that there's going
Speaker 3: to be people that aren't going to understand. And this
Speaker 3: isn't something I just go up to random people and
Speaker 3: talk about. You know, I don't hide it, but I don't,
Speaker 3: you know, I pick and choose the scenarios in which
Speaker 3: which I'm going to divulge information, but ultimately I just
Speaker 3: have grace for that because I understand, you know, just
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't understand. I don't understand what it's like
Speaker 3: to not dream like this, right, I don't understand. I've
Speaker 3: never experienced that, so and you know, I don't consider
Speaker 3: myself like some some special person or or some freaking nature,
Speaker 3: which was what I thought I was previously. But I
Speaker 3: think ultimately for those who don't I haven't experienced it.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's kind of a worldwide thing.
Speaker 3: No matter the topic, we need to just have grace
Speaker 3: for each other. We need to have grace and understand
Speaker 3: we may be on opposing sides of whatever it is,
Speaker 3: and we need to have If we had grace for
Speaker 3: each other, we would have kindness, you know, we'd have
Speaker 3: We'd have much more kindness than niceties, because I think
Speaker 3: kindness is much more mindful. It's kind of like the
Speaker 3: difference between happy and joy, where happy is the dopamine
Speaker 3: feeling and joy is where you build oxytocin, and grace
Speaker 3: is kind of the beautiful intercessor for all of those things.
Speaker 3: And if we're able to have grace, that allows us
Speaker 3: to meet people where they're at understand that we perhaps
Speaker 3: don't you know, we don't, you're not, we're not experiencing
Speaker 3: the same thing, but it doesn't Just because we're not
Speaker 3: experiencing the same thing doesn't mean that it's not happening.
Speaker 3: And very much I bring up the even paranormal itself,
Speaker 3: you know, which could be everything from ghosts to cryptids,
Speaker 3: to my experiences to UFO experiences, all of these things.
Speaker 3: For a lot of people who've never experienced stuff, they
Speaker 3: want to see the proof, you know, because they're not
Speaker 3: they haven't experienced it. And it's hard because a lot
Speaker 3: of these things are very spiritual and they're very consciously
Speaker 3: aware of you being conscious of them. You know, I haven't.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much time you have, but you know,
Speaker 3: I've had my own experiences where as soon as I'm
Speaker 3: about to take and only one time was it even
Speaker 3: witnessed with me. As soon as I'm about to take
Speaker 3: a picture of this weird egg thing that's up in
Speaker 3: the sky. This was in twenty twenty two, while we're
Speaker 3: driving on the freeway, my mother in law and I.
Speaker 3: As soon as I'm thinking in my mind, my hand
Speaker 3: is in the front pocket of my hoodie to pull
Speaker 3: up my phone to take a picture. It's gone and
Speaker 3: it's I mean, it was flying like above us and
Speaker 3: I saw. I ended up seeing that two more times.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough. It was out where I was doing my
Speaker 3: outpatient recovery. Whatever it was was trying to come check
Speaker 3: me out, and I was only able to capture one
Speaker 3: photograph of it. Uh, the video thing didn't turn out.
Speaker 3: You couldn't tell what it was. But it wasn't a drone.
Speaker 3: It was a weird egg thing. And you know, my
Speaker 3: husband and my mother in law are corroborators of that,
Speaker 3: you know, And and like I said, that's a similar thing.
Speaker 3: All they can do is corroborate and say that they
Speaker 3: were there. But I'm always drawn back to for those
Speaker 3: who don't have experienced and they're having a hard time
Speaker 3: swallowing whatever the pill it is that they're faced with,
Speaker 3: just whether you believe in UFOs or not, go and
Speaker 3: research doctor Heinech, Go research him. The only reason why
Speaker 3: I say that is because here was a guy who
Speaker 3: was not a believer and this is yes, this UFO,
Speaker 3: but he was not a believer, but he was a
Speaker 3: man of science, so he was ready to test the data, right,
Speaker 3: and the data and this in this scenario was to
Speaker 3: go and talk to these witnesses and experiencers and his
Speaker 3: completely scientific, very black and you know, black and white.
Speaker 3: That approach was able to kind of give give a
Speaker 3: lot of weight and and proof to experiencers who didn't
Speaker 3: have the quote photograph or couldn't you know, I mean, shoot,
Speaker 3: if you could. I'm sure someone somewhere uh has the
Speaker 3: technology to to pull out the dreams and let you
Speaker 3: guys watch what I'm saying. You know, experience what I'm experiencing.
Speaker 3: Somewhere who knows, but you know, he was able to
Speaker 3: come out and and really give a voice to people
Speaker 3: who were telling they were telling what they saw, they
Speaker 3: were telling what they experienced. And so if it, like
Speaker 3: I said, if anything, you know, I absolutely understand. But
Speaker 3: if we if we can at least just have grace
Speaker 3: with each other and in in all walks of life,
Speaker 3: we we might get closer to the ability to even
Speaker 3: be you know, apathetic, sympathetic or even just uh say, okay,
Speaker 3: you know that that happened to that person. But Heinich
Speaker 3: would be I don't know, I'm feeling guided to talk
Speaker 3: about that, like I think he would be a great
Speaker 3: person to go uh and just research just you know,
Speaker 3: topic aside. It's not the same topic I'm talking about,
Speaker 3: but you know, he was able to to to get
Speaker 3: a good feel of these some happen to these people,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever their stories were, they're the ones that
Speaker 3: he quote unquote believed. He went at it in as
Speaker 3: a man of science, and he his conclusion was that
Speaker 3: something happened to this person. This is what they saw.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope that answered your question.
Speaker 1: We're all good. Is there anything else you would like
Speaker 1: to discuss before we wrap this up. We've been going
Speaker 1: on for a little over an hour.
Speaker 3: Now, Oh well, I just I think that's about I mean,
Speaker 3: I know that this is a topic that like we
Speaker 3: we've kind of gone over it. But if there's anybody
Speaker 3: out there that's going through it, or you know, someone
Speaker 3: that's going through there, as expressed that they have and
Speaker 3: and there was as outlandish and wild as it sounds,
Speaker 3: and as we've been kind of I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's programmed, but you know, naturally we don't experience it,
Speaker 3: we don't we don't see it where we are less
Speaker 3: likely to believe it at least just to try to
Speaker 3: have grace because if you're a parent, or or or
Speaker 3: you you've ever seen a little child be terrified of
Speaker 3: a nightmare, the word the worst thing you could do
Speaker 3: is you know, and God forbid this ever happens. But
Speaker 3: is you know, tell the kid to shut up, and
Speaker 3: you know, don't don't you know, shut up and go
Speaker 3: to bed, you know, if they're terrified. And but the
Speaker 3: first inkling in most people is naturally to console to
Speaker 3: be their emotionally supportive right of of the child. Who's
Speaker 3: who's terrified. And this happened this I guess news splash.
Speaker 3: This happens to adults. And not everybody's comfortable with affection,
Speaker 3: and not everybody wants to be coddled or or whatever.
Speaker 3: Not what I'm saying, But but have have some compassion,
Speaker 3: have a little bit of grace, because I don't know
Speaker 3: for me, you know, when I, like I said, I
Speaker 3: didn't even want to tell my I was scared to
Speaker 3: help my husband like this stuff happens to me because
Speaker 3: I was just going to be that that weirdo, you know.
Speaker 3: And by the grace of God, it opened up and
Speaker 3: he was able to to really you know, see that
Speaker 3: and he was a you know very much a non
Speaker 3: believer very much, you know, prove it to me, even
Speaker 3: with all the stuff that's happening in the world today,
Speaker 3: but have grace for for each other. And and honestly,
Speaker 3: how how how are we able to prove that we're
Speaker 3: having this happen in the dream world? Like I said,
Speaker 3: we can't play that dream out for you, But for
Speaker 3: anyone who is experiencing it, I do advise to the
Speaker 3: best of your ability. Maybe maybe you're not big into
Speaker 3: writing on a journal, I do recommend that because science
Speaker 3: has proven that that it's not only cathartic therapeutic, but
Speaker 3: writing it down the pen to paper is very good
Speaker 3: for even because for me, I mean a lot of
Speaker 3: the stuff was really traumatizing, and so for trauma and
Speaker 3: for any healing therapy, the will recommend you know, journaling,
Speaker 3: so you know, write it down if you can. If
Speaker 3: you can't, maybe it's maybe you will. It's the middle
Speaker 3: of the night that you don't want to forget the dream.
Speaker 3: Most people have one of those voice recording apps on
Speaker 3: their phone. Just do it real quickly, you know. I
Speaker 3: do that, and and that's been helpful. And then later
Speaker 3: I I'll go and write it in my journal, but
Speaker 3: I do advise checking out Vickie Joey Anderston. She's a
Speaker 3: dear friend of mine. You're experiencing the stuff. She is
Speaker 3: a lifetime experiencer, and she is also a follower of Jesus.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people will you know, maybe
Speaker 3: they'll get don't get deterred by that, because I promise
Speaker 3: you there's a lot of wisdom involved that comes along
Speaker 3: with this. And uh, with the knowledge that that I
Speaker 3: got from her, and people are are uh, You're welcome
Speaker 3: to come and d M me over on X. It's
Speaker 3: Ms McGillicutty over on X. If anyone has any questions
Speaker 3: and uh, maybe has any questions or further wants maybe
Speaker 3: some information on stuff that I had talked about, Uh,
Speaker 3: maybe point them in the right direction or I'm not
Speaker 3: like some sort of agreem interpreter, but you know, I
Speaker 3: do feel I do guided to help people that are
Speaker 3: going through this, and especially as a as a parent,
Speaker 3: you know, and knowing that I know, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: we're we're coming up on all this the C five
Speaker 3: psionic stuff. People are they don't know that. Maybe they're
Speaker 3: they're okay with doing it. But if they have children,
Speaker 3: they these things will spiritually hitchhike back. And I'm not
Speaker 3: just talking about aliens, and I'm talking about entities like like, yes,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about spirits, entities, the stuff that comes through
Speaker 3: the unseen realm Michael as Seiser promised his work will
Speaker 3: it's amazing. But yeah, I just I just want people
Speaker 3: to know that it's I know, it maybe sounds awful
Speaker 3: that I say that. It still happens to me, but
Speaker 3: there is a way to get into this offensively. There's
Speaker 3: a way to fight back. And I don't just mean
Speaker 3: like the mission dreams where battle people and make button
Speaker 3: stuff and I sometimes I have bruises when I wake
Speaker 3: up from those ones. That's wild too. I always, uh,
Speaker 3: I joke about it now because I can with my husband,
Speaker 3: but you know, uh, gosh, I got off topic. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: But if anything, I just want people to know there's
Speaker 3: ways to if you're experiencing it, I promise you that
Speaker 3: there are way if you reach out to me or
Speaker 3: Vikajoy Anderson, there's ways to get some kind of relief
Speaker 3: and understanding of what's going on. And if you're someone
Speaker 3: who has an ex experienced it, you know someone has
Speaker 3: and you know, just have a little bit of grace
Speaker 3: for each other and and even for experiences. Have grace
Speaker 3: with the people who don't understand, who don't have them,
Speaker 3: aren't going through it, you know, because I think everything
Speaker 3: in the woo woo paranormal realm, you know a lot
Speaker 3: of people are seeking these experiences, and when you don't
Speaker 3: have the experience, it can't it can't be extremely hard
Speaker 3: to believe, you know. But but understand, uh, the weird
Speaker 3: is out there, the it's there there. That's why this
Speaker 3: podcast is here, right.
Speaker 1: I definitely appreciate you coming on here tonight and sharing
Speaker 1: all that with us, and I hope everyone out there
Speaker 1: listening takes away from what it is you're sharing and
Speaker 1: actually thinks about it, because I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people that listen, and this is where I struggle. I
Speaker 1: do the show because I want to give people a
Speaker 1: chance to speak and share it is what they experience,
Speaker 1: and I have to accept that sometimes the show is
Speaker 1: more entertainment for other people. And that's not why I
Speaker 1: made the show, But for the last three years I've
Speaker 1: had to accept that. You know what I am in
Speaker 1: the entertainment business. I'm giving something to people to listen
Speaker 1: to and it keeps them entertained. So that's a hard
Speaker 1: pill that I've had to accept. But I hope anyone
Speaker 1: listening understands, like where we find it entertaining, it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily entertainment for other people to.
Speaker 3: Go through it. Yeah, I hear you. I thank you
Speaker 3: for that. And and it's I get it right like I.
Speaker 3: I mean, shoot, I kept quiet about it for a
Speaker 3: long time because I didn't I figured I would be
Speaker 3: the freak show, right yeah, And you know what, like I,
Speaker 3: by the grace of God, I I don't let that.
Speaker 3: I just I have an understanding that that that the
Speaker 3: entertainment quality will be there, and that there are gonna
Speaker 3: be plenty of people who are like this lady's full
Speaker 3: of she's full of money, like I got it, and
Speaker 3: and I just like that's why I mentioned trying to
Speaker 3: have grace, like for if anything, it's not just about
Speaker 3: having a thick skin, like I look at I I
Speaker 3: just really try to approach it as as having grace
Speaker 3: and and I and I say, I shouldn't discount the
Speaker 3: fact that I have some thick skin from this because
Speaker 3: you know, I've gotten into some a number of like
Speaker 3: stuff we're on on x bass of people who who
Speaker 3: really just want me to be full of grab and
Speaker 3: and you know, I can consider myself a well spoken person,
Speaker 3: and I can't say that it doesn't hurt, but I'm
Speaker 3: able to, you know, if someone if people are gonna
Speaker 3: want to listen and and and they're they're gonna want
Speaker 3: to understand, and they they're going, they're gonna, they're gonna
Speaker 3: they're gonna try to understand if they don't and they
Speaker 3: just want to be you know, maybe they're even the
Speaker 3: worst spectrum. They don't want to understand, they don't care,
Speaker 3: they think everybody's lying and and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And maybe they're even bitter because it hasn't happened to them.
Speaker 3: You know, I've random some people who are like mad
Speaker 3: that they haven't been abjected by alien or I've never
Speaker 3: had to sucky this dream. And it's like, I don't
Speaker 3: know why you would. I wouldn't wish either of those
Speaker 3: things on somebody, But yeah, I mean, I absolutely I
Speaker 3: respect and thank you so much for for having allowing this.
Speaker 3: You know, they have people to come on and tell
Speaker 3: their stories.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: You know it whether people view it for entertainment or not.
Speaker 3: I don't care. You know, if it if it gets
Speaker 3: out there, like I said earlier on, it gets out
Speaker 3: there even to one person, and it helps them, and
Speaker 3: I never meet them, you know, it helps them, it
Speaker 3: helps their kid, it helps something, it helps them look
Speaker 3: into something. I'm cool with that, you know, because I
Speaker 3: know I'm not the only person this is happening too,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people don't have the language for
Speaker 3: it because it either is two woo woo too unheard
Speaker 3: of or in some cases, like you know, they they
Speaker 3: they won't like the fact that the truth is that
Speaker 3: it's very spiritual. You know, they don't maybe they don't
Speaker 3: want to touch that. Maybe they're either super secular or
Speaker 3: whatever the case is. They're they're uncomfortable. But the truth is,
Speaker 3: if you if you were if you're sick, you know,
Speaker 3: if your child was sick, you would go find out
Speaker 3: what's wrong and you would go find a way to
Speaker 3: heal that. So I don't know, I guess I'm still yes,
Speaker 3: I'll never stop pitching the fact that this is spiritual
Speaker 3: and that it exists, but but that there are ways
Speaker 3: to to uh take take the reins in your hands.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be as terrifying. You don't have
Speaker 3: to be as fearful. There are ways to to alleviate
Speaker 3: and to strengthen. Ah, what I believe is a gift.
Speaker 3: It's a gift to see what we can't see when
Speaker 3: we're awake and we're you know, masturbating, right. It's a
Speaker 3: way for us to be uh, to see what's there
Speaker 3: when you get uh, creeped out in a place with
Speaker 3: your kid, and it's because and you're creeped out because
Speaker 3: there's actually some creepy amon dogs that are energetically following you,
Speaker 3: you know, like I hadn't. That's that was unknowing that
Speaker 3: I got from that, as well as the meditative session
Speaker 3: where I, you know, that attached itself to me, and I,
Speaker 3: by the grace of God and my my determination to
Speaker 3: to not be fearful, I was able to detach that.
Speaker 3: And and I tell you it did a lot, a
Speaker 3: lot changed, you know, just just the I didn't have
Speaker 3: any more of these, although when the psionic stuff started
Speaker 3: up again in in the news and all that, Uh,
Speaker 3: I started getting these these same kind of thing as
Speaker 3: the orion, just a lot of like go look outside,
Speaker 3: go look outside, because I used to do channeling, so
Speaker 3: I have essentially a gift that they want to me
Speaker 3: to utilize that I I refuse to do any of that.
Speaker 3: I I already know what comes with that. You know,
Speaker 3: I've personally experienced what it's like to contact whatever that is,
Speaker 3: and me personally, I advise against it. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: do a little more research for That's that's my opinion
Speaker 3: and stance on it. And because of the whole hit
Speaker 3: tracker thing. But yeah, people are gonna think what they're
Speaker 3: gonna think, you know, uh, and and that's that's okay.
Speaker 3: I do wish they if they're gonna be staunched. Like
Speaker 3: I said, just look at Heinech. Just look at what
Speaker 3: he went through. You didn't believe any of it, and
Speaker 3: maybe not completely even after. But something happened to those
Speaker 3: people that he that he uh, that he interviewed, you know,
Speaker 3: the ones that it was undeniable. Oh, I don't care.
Speaker 3: If I'm here to just entertain people, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 3: But I genuinely appreciate Brandon having having me here and
Speaker 3: letting me tell some my my wild reality.
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