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<v Speaker 1>Battle reports with Ben and Stay's It's been a long

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<v Speaker 1>time to do you and here we are again. The

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<v Speaker 1>people have been asking for it, they have, and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>fucking get it.

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<v Speaker 2>They missed us, they did, they missed this, this thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you and I have, that we do. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what is what is this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Past Present and future? The podcast? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>David runs with a Viscount's Runciman of fucking He's running

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<v Speaker 1>her a lot, except he couldn't be more unlike you

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<v Speaker 1>than any other person. So this is like basically past,

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<v Speaker 1>Present and future, but a bit more serious and a

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<v Speaker 1>bit cleverer.

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<v Speaker 3>God when I when I said I wanted an English friend, yep,

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<v Speaker 3>if only it.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have been something like him. I mean you you imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine being an invited rank for afternoon tea

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<v Speaker 1>to Viscount Runsoman's fucking pile in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think he lives in one of those like

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<v Speaker 3>fifteenth or sixteenth century manor houses.

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<v Speaker 1>He has one, he doesn't live in it. He has

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<v Speaker 1>a very nicely apportioned apartment somewhere in the west of London,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But he has the house.

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<v Speaker 1>He has that, and he's got grounds right, undeniably, it

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<v Speaker 1>has a park.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've always wanted grounds.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got fucking grounds to punch you in the fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Nuts with, like hahas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and like the fake ruins, yeah, capability brown in

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<v Speaker 3>there some follies.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>They used to hire old men to just like live

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<v Speaker 3>in the park as like a hermit, to add like ambiance.

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<v Speaker 1>I could do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, if I if I had one

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<v Speaker 3>of these houses with the grounds, you fucking live out

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<v Speaker 3>in the park, and like we'd have like a hut

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<v Speaker 3>for you or a cottage or something, or a cottage.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hot. I'm not gonna live in a hovel. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna I'm gonna wear fucking potato sacks.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, I mean you know i'd be made of

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<v Speaker 2>brick or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But do I get to walk around and know you

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<v Speaker 1>fuckers a little fuckers over there, all the fucking foxes,

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<v Speaker 1>you fuckers. I oh, my lord.

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<v Speaker 2>Old Ben, don't pay any him.

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<v Speaker 1>I give to fox in the fucking nuts this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>My lord?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you taking care of the sheep and the

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<v Speaker 2>sheep cost I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Taking care of him, my lord, in more ways than one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not fucking him. No, that's not what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm fucking kicking him in the fucking bollocks.

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<v Speaker 1>My lord Beard is looking great today. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>even the fucking females I kicks in the bollocks.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to grow it a few inches longer.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it does not look authentic.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough, Okay, I told you right, Sorry, sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go have a look at the hedgerow

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<v Speaker 2>now or aren't you fuckers?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you fucking later.

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<v Speaker 2>We could make it happen. What do I have to do?

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to start this company that you keep talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>If only I had bought the right stocks at the

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<v Speaker 2>right time, you know what I mean? Yeah, millions.

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<v Speaker 3>Even even then, I was like, ah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have enough money to buy enough Amazon stock in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 1>But we looked at we looked into one share, we

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<v Speaker 1>looked into this. If I have bought what stock will

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean practically any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh in video, Oh yeah, if you'd bought in video

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<v Speaker 1>in like two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you're you're saying about not having money and

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<v Speaker 3>I pointed out, well, if you had only you had

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<v Speaker 3>five thousand whatever is in two thousand and four, right,

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<v Speaker 3>probably not, but one thousand, Yeah, you could have scraped

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<v Speaker 3>together one random bought in video stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you'd only done that, you'd be a multimillionaire today.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I definitely wouldn't have cashed it out. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you just the next available fucking opportunity to buy and hold.

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<v Speaker 1>You need discipline, right, you don't have discipline, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>discipline is something that you practice and develop over time.

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<v Speaker 1>But but you know, I am, I am really wedded

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<v Speaker 1>to this stately home villagitia ideas retirement plan.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really into it. I think it's great, my lord.

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking got the turnips out today. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at me funny, so I could hit the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bollocks very good, old Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So what are we playing? State?

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<v Speaker 3>We are playing a game that you and I played

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<v Speaker 3>several years ago. I think here, yeah, while I was

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<v Speaker 3>here Reef Encounter.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you with with the Reef Encounter of the

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<v Speaker 1>of the Second Kind expansion?

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<v Speaker 3>And I just want to say in the acknowledgment section right,

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<v Speaker 3>This game was published originally October two thousand and four, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so we're playing a real classic game here, twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>years old. Thanks also to I don't know any of

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<v Speaker 3>these people, Peter Armstrong, Rutiger Bayer, Tony Boydell, who's that fucker?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know other people I don't know there, but

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<v Speaker 3>Tony Boydell. Thanks to Tony Boydell.

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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't have happened with that Tony. I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 1>sat there and went to fucking ows this fucking bullshit?

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<v Speaker 1>The fucking ows this bullshit?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, actually, there is an aspect of this game

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<v Speaker 3>that's a bit fiddley, like the way you select actions.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like probably not the easiest thing to explain. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like picturing what he was like, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>he's like?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is he not?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he like seventies?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think he had a pony style by then?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what was he like as a young man? He

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<v Speaker 1>had a fucking properly pissed, He had a motibi, a

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<v Speaker 1>pony style. He must have been intolerable, intolerable. So so

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<v Speaker 1>him and Matt Green.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to flip over the fucking cool toils what.

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<v Speaker 1>They just published, Jerusalem. Do you think that there has

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with the Holy Land. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>we've got an acknowledgement to the rule book? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it says thanks to Ben Steve we.

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<v Speaker 2>Helped play test it. I mean I did. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>played it? And I played it? Yeah? I played it

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<v Speaker 2>a So you're going to be the rule book and yah,

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<v Speaker 2>I should be nonsense, Tony, Tony, Matt. Can I get

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<v Speaker 2>in the rule book? Can I? Can I be in

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<v Speaker 2>the rule book? At Ben?

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<v Speaker 1>So you can? You can, Actually, you can be in

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<v Speaker 1>any rule book you want. I mean with a Byron I.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually had to engage Tony quite a few times

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<v Speaker 3>during the playing of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Engaged to I had to engage him, engage him to

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<v Speaker 4>do one on rules clarifications on Jerusalem, which I believe

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<v Speaker 4>contributed to the development process.

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<v Speaker 1>Is so you're saying you designed Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the game wouldn't be what it is today.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think you know I'm not asking for a lot, right,

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<v Speaker 3>They've already printed the rule books though, well I expect

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm already you know, you know how when when

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<v Speaker 3>there's like there's like a rata, he could publish an

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<v Speaker 3>errata sheet add to acknowledgments.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen J. Cyrek Or maybe like a sticker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it comes with every gang.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like when you buy them.

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<v Speaker 1>He's already sold. He's already sold out.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but then you have to you have to send

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<v Speaker 2>the sticker. So what he should do.

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<v Speaker 1>What he should do is track down everybody, recall them,

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<v Speaker 1>recall them, recall all, burn all the rule books, get

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<v Speaker 1>them reprinted with my name in it and not yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Your name.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't do anything, vibes, You didn't even like bother

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<v Speaker 3>to try and play it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, best, you were there when I played it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, best from Happy Mondays. I think so Happy

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<v Speaker 1>Mondays wouldn't have been Happy Mondays without Bess.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your point?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm like, vibes and vibes for the You think

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<v Speaker 1>you should.

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<v Speaker 3>Get credit for vibes? Yeah, the fucker vibes worth fucking

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<v Speaker 3>thanks Ben for.

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<v Speaker 1>The vibe the vibes.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, anyway, we're playing Reef Encounter with the Reef Encounter

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<v Speaker 3>of the second kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Very clever pun there, I get.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's really interesting because so you've been beavering away

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<v Speaker 1>busy like a bee. Yeah, because you suggested we play

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<v Speaker 1>this yesterday. Yeah, But what I didn't realize is that

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago, in anticipation of this, you

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<v Speaker 1>actually sat down with Richard Brees and if you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>it to be a surprise, well, I mean I got

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<v Speaker 1>an email from him. Yeah, so you went to my

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<v Speaker 1>fucking interview coming up your fucking twat. That's that's abatim

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<v Speaker 1>are you Are you not going to insert it into

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<v Speaker 1>this episode? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Oh, let's do it. Let's throw it to

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<v Speaker 2>the interview.

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<v Speaker 3>So I am here with Richard Breese, one of the

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<v Speaker 3>most storied game designers and in the entire hobby is

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<v Speaker 3>certainly coming from the United Kingdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not be formal. Call me Breezy, Easy Breezy. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a nickname at school. People call you easy Breezy,

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<v Speaker 1>Easy Breezy.

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<v Speaker 2>So so easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, easy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're playing a Reef encounter later.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Breezy. I'm really easy. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the album.

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<v Speaker 2>So I understand this, inn w A.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that this game was actually inspired by your

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<v Speaker 3>by doctor Richard Attenborough and that's domentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean sort of tendent and chili.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean. I assume that you watched him

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<v Speaker 2>on the BBC and you said.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I used to watch Dickie. That's what I call it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know him, like, I just call it Dicky, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm a naturally informal guy. Because I'm fucking breezy, easy, breezy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rich easy. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>So the the inspiration for the game literally came from

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<v Speaker 3>you watching these documentaries on television, not from any other

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<v Speaker 3>well nearly not from any other self.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I used to watch Dickie. Yeah, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to watch Dicky out and then you know, as you know, Steven, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a lover of the outdoors.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean I've read the rule book and it

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<v Speaker 3>literally says that the only.

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<v Speaker 2>The game was the nature documentaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Of documentary, he's a national, he's an actual treasure, so

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to give him credit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there's a direct link between those nature documentaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it was a direct link, but there's a nodal

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<v Speaker 1>point in between.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, tell us that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as you know, Stephen, I am a lovely outdoors

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. And there's nothing I like more.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look at the shoes, I mean, topally, have

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<v Speaker 1>a look, yeah exactly, Yeah, you're wearing socks right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but imagine if I was wearing shoes. What kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, fucking I don't know you that well, Salomon's

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<v Speaker 1>Salomon's that's right, I'll be wearing fucking Salomon's, mate. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't fucking breezy. You don't fuck around, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You refer to yourself as the third person.

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<v Speaker 1>Who does breezy. Yeah, he does.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize that you were known for your tremendous ego.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's not ego. Ego implies that there's no grinding

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<v Speaker 1>for it. But I'm naturally I'm easy breezy, I'm lemon squeezy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so easy Breezy, get on your easy you You

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy Hiking is what you're trying to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I went out, was having a hike where way down

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<v Speaker 1>south in England, South in England. Yeah, along dart More, Dartmoor, Dartmore.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a nice place to go hiking in Lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>You got ponies there, Okay, you can nature camp, you

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<v Speaker 1>can wild camp on Dartmore, one of the few places

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK where you can sometimes yeah, with the orses.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were doing that back in two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 2>you must have been a young man.

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<v Speaker 1>And three, it takes time to design a game, Labis.

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<v Speaker 2>Now were you were you alone or were with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Were you with one of your frequent collaborators and game

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<v Speaker 3>designed Tony Boydell.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't fucking take him. Why would I take in?

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<v Speaker 1>He's in the old town running his fingers through his

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<v Speaker 1>luxuriant ponytail on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you you actually thank him in the rule book?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because if I don't, I'll just get fucking

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<v Speaker 1>endless text messages. Eh, breezy, easy breezy. Why am I

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<v Speaker 1>not in ruble braezy?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, that's not how Tony speaks, bloody rubbook like cowpats.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna throw a cowpat at the bloody house.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing how all British people can do like spot

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<v Speaker 3>on imitations of all British accents.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's right. Well, I mean we're talented, unlike the Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and fifty years of fucking embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and today happens to be the two hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>fiftieth anniversary, that's right, the founding of my country, my first.

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<v Speaker 1>Country, Your second country as well in Germany. Oh fucking fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>More recently founded in its current form. Mistakes were made anyway, So.

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<v Speaker 1>You were on the high I was undert More. I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't quite see how hiking in the UK can

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<v Speaker 3>lead you to design a game about corel.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that song? You know that song back rolling stones? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Wild horses, Yeah, couldn't drag me away?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>That was written about the wild horses on Dartmore was

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<v Speaker 1>a famous wild horse off Fionnardo.

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<v Speaker 2>What does this have to do with reef and count?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was king, I'm fucking I was I kid right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know Britain bit rainy. Yeah, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>caught a downpole. Has that reputation caught a downpole? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I went in like a hollow and it

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<v Speaker 1>filled up with water.

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<v Speaker 3>Hollow, hollow. That's right, You're you're escaping the rain in

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<v Speaker 3>a hollow. That doesn't immediately make a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not going to go under tree? Was I?

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<v Speaker 1>I only get struck by that? I have a branch

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<v Speaker 1>fall on the end. So there was a thunderstorm, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean might.

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<v Speaker 3>Have been okay, the thunder I mean, there's always thunder

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<v Speaker 3>with breezy around.

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<v Speaker 1>I bring the thunder and lightning, and it's it's very

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<v Speaker 1>frightening if you're a fucking American. Any road, Freddie Mercury's American, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>So, any road.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was in this hollow and it flooded, It

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<v Speaker 1>got really deep in water, and I heard this voice

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<v Speaker 1>in my head.

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<v Speaker 5>It was his voice, and we see the Dartmore hors

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<v Speaker 5>wading through water.

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<v Speaker 3>So you you were so accustomed to watching these documentaries.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard him like so frequently?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have recourse to the DBC?

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<v Speaker 1>And so do you know what I was doing? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I've fallen asleep? Do you know what I was doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You fell asleep in the hollow?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>While I was filling with waters?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, do you know what I fell asleep? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I was doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Beggars belief? But all right, I was doing what I

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<v Speaker 2>was dreaming about Dickie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I thought, all right, Dickie, I'm dreaming of you.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not why he did a lot of nature documentaries, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>why a game about marine life?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because that's the case, I thought, I'm dreaming of you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I had to make a game about the coral.

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<v Speaker 2>Dream of me.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to make a game about the coral. You

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<v Speaker 1>ruined my coral job. We hadn't met yet, I was

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<v Speaker 1>saying to Dickie, Yeah, dreaming of you. You. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had to do a game about the coral.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, you fucking know you've got a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>culture anyway, Peace out, easy, breezy lemon squeezeers. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>out of there because you're a lama.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very it was a.

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<v Speaker 3>Very strange interview. I mean I didn't even get to

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<v Speaker 3>ask him very many questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just inserted I haven't listened back to it yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. Yeah, I mean, you know, I do my best.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not you. I'm not the professional. That's true, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote main show interviewer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean I wouldn't let you on that

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<v Speaker 1>because you'd ask them questions. You'd be like, oh, so

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think about vibe coding?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? Do you think vibe coding is viable in today's world?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>I was vibe coding the other day and my pants

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<v Speaker 5>fell off. Do you think do you think that's permissible?

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<v Speaker 5>In today's world?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that how I talk? So?

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<v Speaker 1>I think?

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<v Speaker 5>So I was vibe coding the other day and my

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<v Speaker 5>toenails turned into monkeys?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's permissible into his world?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for sure, the entire interview would be about AI.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know how many hot takes are

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<v Speaker 3>there in the board gaming world about AI?

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<v Speaker 2>Is anyone? Is anyone going to say anything positive about it?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about AI? Oh? I hate it

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<v Speaker 2>every single time.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was fine coding the other day and my

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<v Speaker 5>legs turned into snakes? Do you think that's viable into

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<v Speaker 5>day's world?

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<v Speaker 3>So, Ben, you played this before and you probably don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's in my top one, it right, But you

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember how I played it at all? So what

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<v Speaker 2>what do you remember feeling about it that makes you

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<v Speaker 2>put it in the top one?

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<v Speaker 1>But it was super lean and mean and super attacky

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<v Speaker 1>and Richard Easybreeze's designs always inevitably belie his calm English manner,

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<v Speaker 1>and so.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a very understated gentleman. But his game, by

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<v Speaker 3>what you may evince from the interview.

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<v Speaker 1>And his games are always really attacking, really nasty, loads

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<v Speaker 1>of fun and beautifully designed. There's no there's no crinolation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all pure fucking diamond like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the word, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the wordlation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm hoping that adding.

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<v Speaker 1>How many times you think Isaac's edited credelation out of

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<v Speaker 1>my text for the book at least once per page?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean definitely, I mean you should have a limit

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<v Speaker 3>no more than three times.

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<v Speaker 1>In three separate chapters I was doing to editing last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and three separate chapters I write the sentence vats of

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<v Speaker 1>Digital inc Have been spilled over.

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<v Speaker 2>So Isaac's terrible, Isaac.

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<v Speaker 3>What I would like to see is a word distribution

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<v Speaker 3>for all of the texts that Ben has generated, and

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<v Speaker 3>what like I want on the I guess I want

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<v Speaker 3>like the word frequency against like number of syllables per word.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm assuming it's highly right words viewed like you.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, What I'm hoping is that the edition of the

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<v Speaker 3>expansion doesn't ruin it for you or me or anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's see four player game today.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see all right, Wow, we'll get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's going to win playing? It's the two of us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a mean and Samantha.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha Grenell, britt Zadam, and ponsibly Smithed. I've missed out

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven of her surnames.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly exactly, And I think it could be anybody's game

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<v Speaker 3>because this game is so attacky, it's gonna be unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think I'm gonna win?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's find out.

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