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Speaker 9: You know what?
Speaker 8: A former w CW Operations employee by the name of
Speaker 8: Richard Steinberg told the website Pro Wrestling Stories dot Com
Speaker 8: that Sid was wailing in the back of the ambulance
Speaker 8: after the stabbing incident with dron Anderson in England. He
Speaker 8: was not only not only did it occur to Sid
Speaker 8: to scream, I don't want to die.
Speaker 3: It's so awful. It's so it's like, it's so awful.
Speaker 10: Lab at that.
Speaker 8: But according to this Richard Steinberg, Sid also had this
Speaker 8: thought crossed his mind. And you knows, I'm messed up
Speaker 8: my big chance to be w CW World champion.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, No he did not.
Speaker 8: For Sid, he knew and that ambulance that plans couldn't,
Speaker 8: you know, stay on the rails. If he wanted to
Speaker 8: preserve the opportunity to win the world title, perhaps you
Speaker 8: shouldn't have come back from the stabbing and demanded more
Speaker 8: money the WCW was willing to give him at the
Speaker 8: contractual bargaining table. Yeah, as we talked about last time
Speaker 8: in our TLF tribute to Sid, there certainly were more
Speaker 8: chapters to the story after the late October scissor fight
Speaker 8: for lack of a better term between Sid, Vishes and
Speaker 8: arn Anderson, which of course procruited his WCW departure in
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety three, and for all we know his departure
Speaker 8: from the business. Because now Sid's got to be kind
Speaker 8: of a third rail, right, I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 8: arn Anderson, a deeply respected veteran in the business, with
Speaker 8: friends in all the offices. He almost killed the guy.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's going to be tough getting booked again, right,
Speaker 8: he would think, so.
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't imagine there's any now he's done.
Speaker 8: It's not like he still has the run of his
Speaker 8: life and those world title reigns still ahead of him,
Speaker 8: of course, right, Not like he's good. It's not like
Speaker 8: he has probably what accounts to like eighty percent of
Speaker 8: his career earnings and the wrestling business still ahead of
Speaker 8: him after doing that. It's not like the wrestling business
Speaker 8: teaches us these lessons. It's not like people are, you know,
Speaker 8: texting me saying, I watched the Vince Netflix thing. I
Speaker 8: don't know nothing about wrestling. You supported all this, you
Speaker 8: knew about all this. This wasn't new to you. This
Speaker 8: wasn't new to you.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Remember that it's not new.
Speaker 8: As we talked about Ollly Anderson had been fired from WCW,
Speaker 8: Bischoff had taken over, and there's some negotiating going on
Speaker 8: with Sid and the Eric Bischoff run WCW and According
Speaker 8: to what Sid has said and showed interviews, the dialogue was, hey,
Speaker 8: we don't have you on contract. I guess only never
Speaker 8: had you sign a piece of paper, which is another
Speaker 8: tribute to his brilliant administrating over the years. And Sid
Speaker 8: has said that he replied, I know that. He said
Speaker 8: they wanted to sign me for three hundred thousand. I said, no,
Speaker 8: I'm not going to do that. I want the five
Speaker 8: hundred thousand which I was promised.
Speaker 3: So I want I want the two million a year
Speaker 3: that I promised myself.
Speaker 8: Only promised you two million. If I call only right.
Speaker 3: Say that, I said, I promise myself two million.
Speaker 8: Well, what did only promise you?
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what I promised myself offer that.
Speaker 8: Is there a chance by the time this conversation's over,
Speaker 8: said that you're going to change what you promise yourself again.
Speaker 3: I gonna tell you something right now. Ah, never promise
Speaker 3: anything ever.
Speaker 8: And say that again. However, everybody else has to promise
Speaker 8: you the world for you to get up off the couch.
Speaker 8: I didn't promise that and make the town.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
Speaker 8: I didn't promise that. You have to promise me anything.
Speaker 8: But it doesn't hurt and do it first.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was not expecting.
Speaker 8: So right, that's the blow up, right, you know, only
Speaker 8: said three hundred thousand. We don't have a contract here,
Speaker 8: we'll give it to you. And he says, no, I
Speaker 8: want five hundred thousand. That's what I was promised. And
Speaker 8: so that's it right now, we can't do that. No, no, Bishoff,
Speaker 8: according to Sid, turns around and says, okay, fine, five
Speaker 8: hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus.
Speaker 8: But the next week they go overseas for the tour
Speaker 8: and then the fight, and then he's brought into the
Speaker 8: office subsequent to the fight. This is according to Sid,
Speaker 8: and shoot interviews, and it's after the fight with On
Speaker 8: that they say, okay, you can keep your job, but
Speaker 8: you're going to go back to three fifty instead of
Speaker 8: five hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: This this is three fifty after they started at three.
Speaker 8: According to Sid.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 8: And you know Sid, you know reads the landscape, says,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, geez, I was in there.
Speaker 3: What fine, I'll tell you what. I don't mind taking you.
Speaker 3: You say you're going to give me a demotion. Fine,
Speaker 3: you want to give Sidvisi's demotion. I understand. I will
Speaker 3: get a demotion with a price of four hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars here right from three hundred.
Speaker 8: Thousand he did. He didn't say you want to give
Speaker 8: Sid a demotion. He says you want to give Sid himself.
Speaker 8: You want to give Sid demotion. Isn't there a huge
Speaker 8: difference between a demotion and demotion?
Speaker 3: Huge difference.
Speaker 8: I don't think we spend enough time thinking about why
Speaker 8: there is such a big difference between those two phrases.
Speaker 8: And there's a big difference for Sid too. So you know, geez, right,
Speaker 8: like you said, he goes over there, he fucks up massively.
Speaker 8: According to this one WW employee, he's wailing in the
Speaker 8: ambulance about how he blew the shot at the biggest
Speaker 8: money in his career and the world title and all
Speaker 8: of that. And so you know, obviously when they say, fine,
Speaker 8: you can keep your job, but you're going to go
Speaker 8: to three point fifty, of course Sid says yes. Of
Speaker 8: course Sid is grateful that they're still willing to employ
Speaker 8: him after he nearly murdered another wrestler on their watch.
Speaker 8: Or does he say no five hundred or I'll fucking quit.
Speaker 3: I'm with the five hundred, I'll fucking quit all right,
Speaker 3: that's just you know, that's just practical.
Speaker 8: So you can say you fired Sid because of the stabbing,
Speaker 8: but what you really did is fire Sid because he
Speaker 8: wouldn't give you a discount after the stabbing.
Speaker 3: Idiots.
Speaker 8: That's the wrestling business. And Sid taught us so much
Speaker 8: more about the wrestling business than I think we realize
Speaker 8: by being this way at the negotiating team. So Sid
Speaker 8: stabbing someone had consequences, right, he's banished, he's unbookable. Or
Speaker 8: did this whole stabbing just create the gimmick he would ride?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know what should do? We should have
Speaker 3: to bring this guy back because you know what he's
Speaker 3: He could have been a.
Speaker 11: Murderer, was I guess just from everything that you've been
Speaker 11: saying so far, it seems like was that your idea
Speaker 11: as far as uh now, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't like that.
Speaker 11: I do because you we all know it was a
Speaker 11: rib on me. You know, the psycho deal with the
Speaker 11: fucking scissors rib.
Speaker 12: You know, we went back to second time.
Speaker 11: See I was old Vince and everybody I will not
Speaker 11: be called psycho said we were really called Sid vicious
Speaker 11: or just came of dealing with said Vicious is copyrighted
Speaker 11: by a punk boxing. I said, the guy's dead, you know,
Speaker 11: all right, Well we find out his mother owns and
Speaker 11: something like that. Well, I don't care what you do.
Speaker 11: I just would be called shiit. You know they try
Speaker 11: to refer mostly to sit but then other people with
Speaker 11: you know, Actually I didn't mind the cycle sid Okay,
Speaker 11: there's a baby face in some buildings that really had
Speaker 11: a great act when people really got with it instead.
Speaker 12: I didn't mind, but I wasn't stupid enough that to
Speaker 12: fuck you know Cambine.
Speaker 8: Right, So let me translate, and let me attempt to translate.
Speaker 8: And the reason I cut Vince office because there's exactly
Speaker 8: keeps speaking to exactly what Vince is good about to say. Essentially,
Speaker 8: I mean, now we have a psycho in our hands.
Speaker 3: You know, here's a legitimate modified psychopath. Okay, make this
Speaker 3: shit up. Can't book this kind of shit?
Speaker 8: Nearly we got it. Listen, Bruce, a little pat, everybody,
Speaker 8: come on in, jj H, Nelson, Swigler, come on in. Pal.
Speaker 8: He nearly killed.
Speaker 3: Someone, Pal, How do you feel about that? What does
Speaker 3: that mean to you? Right? I don't have any I say,
Speaker 3: someone nearly killed somebody? What does it do to your insides,
Speaker 3: let alone arms inside? I mean, I don't have a
Speaker 3: lot of levers to pull anymore, Palell, the federal government
Speaker 3: is breathing down my neck. We can't have well, the
Speaker 3: the size we used to have. We've got to find
Speaker 3: a different hook. And I think we found it. What
Speaker 3: a psycho path?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 8: But you know what I could interrupt Evince. I mean
Speaker 8: we were calling him psycho Sid when he was here
Speaker 8: the first time. I mean maybe against Hogan we called
Speaker 8: him psycho Sid.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know we called him the psycho Sid Justice, Yes,
Speaker 3: but now he's just psycho Sid. He embodies all sids.
Speaker 8: Now do you think we embodies all sids? So do
Speaker 8: do we try to slip this in and kind of
Speaker 8: hope he doesn't notice this characterization?
Speaker 3: And I mean, you slip in with him? Is your business?
Speaker 8: I should remember Patterson doing that. I want to watch
Speaker 8: the lightning? What I want to come out of the
Speaker 8: porch and watch the lightning.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know you can porch whatever you feel necessary.
Speaker 8: Can you see the hockey stadium from there?
Speaker 3: Pal I mean, what do you? Yeah, what what kind
Speaker 3: of athletic endeavors are?
Speaker 14: So?
Speaker 8: Do you want to just hope Sid doesn't notice that
Speaker 8: we're calling him Psycho, or should we just I don't know,
Speaker 8: give him the music from Psycho in the movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we have a multitude of opportunities
Speaker 3: here to embellish and vibe and perhaps reach another plateau
Speaker 3: of creative authority right in the in the pro entertainment fields.
Speaker 3: That what we could do is actually maybe I got
Speaker 3: here here. I mean, consider this, right, So he's Psycho,
Speaker 3: said right, he's the psychopath. He is psychotic, he comes down,
Speaker 3: and what if we his music is from Psycho, and
Speaker 3: what if bear with me? He's actually missus bates, So
Speaker 3: my mother baits. So he wears the wig and carries
Speaker 3: a knife, and he wears a momo. I just think
Speaker 3: that's fair, that's fair, he says. Let's have creative services
Speaker 3: draw that up. You know, there are sketches somewhere of
Speaker 3: sit in a moomoo. They paid some like graphic design
Speaker 3: hopeful like thirty grand a year to draw like pictures
Speaker 3: of sit in a fucking momoo. Oh, I would hope
Speaker 3: to God, Yes, that's.
Speaker 8: Something to think about. Well, I don't think here's the
Speaker 8: thing and we'll get to it. I don't think they
Speaker 8: have to worry that Sid even knows what the movie
Speaker 8: Psycho is, let alone with the signature sound, which was
Speaker 8: replicated in his returning WWF Entrance theme of course in
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety five, even was. But what he's saying in
Speaker 8: that clip is, of course three things at once. One
Speaker 8: is absolutely Sid's out of Sid's mouth. They called him
Speaker 8: psycho when he came back because of the Sid stabbing incident.
Speaker 8: I'm sure everybody in the tower will disagree with that characterization.
Speaker 8: That's how Sid received it. And he says at the end,
Speaker 8: and he tried to say that, I know people will
Speaker 8: say that that's not where it comes from. But I'm
Speaker 8: not fucking stupid enough. I'm not so stupid. Rather, I'm
Speaker 8: not stupid enough. I'm not that stupid. I know that
Speaker 8: you're having a laugh at my expense by calling me
Speaker 8: psycho and giving me this kind of gimmick when I
Speaker 8: come back. Because say what you will about Sid Justice
Speaker 8: and how much of a wrecking force he was boss.
Speaker 8: He didn't twitch his eyes like this Sid does. It's true,
Speaker 8: what did you notice as someone that was, you know,
Speaker 8: sent into an uncomfortable place by Sid Justice?
Speaker 3: I didn't really notice too much of a difference. At
Speaker 3: the time, I just, you know, really what I noticed
Speaker 3: and what was disappointing his hair, his hair really I
Speaker 3: just hated. I hated the shorter hair. I was a
Speaker 3: fan of that. You know, angular you know that pyramid
Speaker 3: look he had.
Speaker 8: Like a sphinxpied his head.
Speaker 3: Huh yeah, like you know, like he's a sphinx with
Speaker 3: the fucking thing. Yeah, yeah, I liked. I liked that
Speaker 3: ninety two look. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3: It's probably you know, you know, I'm sure it's a
Speaker 3: deplorable thing. But that's that's what sid is to me.
Speaker 3: And so when it was cut real short coming back
Speaker 3: in ninety five, I was like, eh, under, guess we'll
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 8: But yeah, it's like it's like Hogan coming back, so
Speaker 8: like thin and ninety three and yeah, coming back without
Speaker 8: the mustache.
Speaker 3: It's like, all right, oh about the mustache is just
Speaker 3: it's inappropriate and it's perverted.
Speaker 8: It's like Hogan when he starts wearing the wristband, the
Speaker 8: spot fans on his wrist, It's like, Okay, something's going
Speaker 8: on here. This is not this is not the signature
Speaker 8: presentation that uh, that's burned into my memory bank forever.
Speaker 8: But yes, Sid does come back. He does come back,
Speaker 8: not right away, as we'll get to after the nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety three stabbing incident in WCW, but he does return
Speaker 8: to the World Wrestling Federation, and, as Sid put it
Speaker 8: in many shoot interviews over the years, he was on
Speaker 8: the whipping post for this run. In other words, he
Speaker 8: felt sort of limited in how much of a protest
Speaker 8: he could voice when he would be put further down
Speaker 8: the card or asked to do jobs, whatever the case
Speaker 8: might be, because he was damaged. Goods WW wasn't sitting
Speaker 8: there waiting to hire him back, or at least he
Speaker 8: didn't think so. I'm sure he thought he'd never be
Speaker 8: welcomed that locker room again, trically, as long as arn't
Speaker 8: Anderson worked at WCW. And we'll see about that, won't we. Indeed,
Speaker 8: it's the sands of time go through the Sid hour
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Speaker 3: Boss. We are indeed, we are, indeed, we are, we
Speaker 3: are coming up. We're at the halfway point for this
Speaker 3: year's scary movie season offerings, and I'm gonna keep it
Speaker 3: a surprise. It's it's gonna be quite fun. Although we
Speaker 3: just recently dropped Alice, Sweet Alice, what do your remember?
Speaker 3: What are your what are your memories of that of
Speaker 3: that extravagance.
Speaker 8: It was just such a great window into experimentation with
Speaker 8: the genre that exploded in the eighties, but in the
Speaker 8: seventies was still kind of pulp, still kind of uncomfortably
Speaker 8: out of sync with what films from that time time
Speaker 8: period and of that vintage and of that look are
Speaker 8: supposed to be representing and they're supposed to be after
Speaker 8: and it's just you don't expect kind of like the
Speaker 8: horror tropes with that that film stock right right.
Speaker 3: That that that and that's what I kind of talked about,
Speaker 3: was that it just felt there was something different about
Speaker 3: it because of that, and very uncomfortable. And but you know,
Speaker 3: Alice is sweet and she had her communion.
Speaker 8: Oh yes, her sister, however, did not make it. No,
Speaker 8: she does not make spoiler alert. Yeah, and so we
Speaker 8: got we got a couple more starring Argentina Rocca. By
Speaker 8: the way, Oh yes, indeed one of the uh more
Speaker 8: most famed wrestlers to ever work Madison Square Gardens. So
Speaker 8: what a nice excuse to get into the history of
Speaker 8: one of the bigger carnies ever worked the territory.
Speaker 3: I mean, what a what a what an absolute you know,
Speaker 3: what a what a maniac? He was just just I couldn't.
Speaker 8: The more the more I read, the more I was
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Speaker 8: but his tails were tall indeed.
Speaker 3: And then you know, once uh, once November rolls around again,
Speaker 3: we will finish up our James Bond journey.
Speaker 8: Clay claimed, you got to get out on this man,
Speaker 8: especially as we round third and do the Daniel Craig ones.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's it's uh, it's a good time. It's
Speaker 3: a good time to look into it, and a good
Speaker 3: time to join up. And and uh, you know, mixture, mixture,
Speaker 3: your your in ring carnies with your Hollywood carnies, because
Speaker 3: they're all one of the same.
Speaker 8: Oh god, I know, isn't that? The brilliant part of
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Speaker 8: the what's that? What's that faint faint jingle jangle I
Speaker 8: hear in the distance? Perhaps beyond scary movie season, perhaps
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Speaker 3: I think you know what I mean. We're certainly closer
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Speaker 8: of catching up to do and yeah, I don't know, Boss,
Speaker 8: should you listen to t LF while recovering from Obenhart surgery.
Speaker 8: I feel like that, yes, that could be painful. It
Speaker 8: could be painful, but I think that's kind of the idea,
Speaker 8: isn't it. That's a great point right there.
Speaker 3: It's not meant to be fun.
Speaker 8: That's a great point. Well, you know, I always try
Speaker 8: to keep in mind the possibility that people who might
Speaker 8: not be acquainted with the philosophy the ethos of the cast,
Speaker 8: and they hear us say things like it's about pain,
Speaker 8: it's not supposed to be fun. I don't think we
Speaker 8: take enough time to remind people what we mean when
Speaker 8: we say that for those who might not have been
Speaker 8: there and gestational stages to hear us kind of lay
Speaker 8: down the philosophical groundwork. If you wouldn't mind, Bossed, just
Speaker 8: a quick treatise on that. Well, you know, I think
Speaker 8: folks forget. I think folks forget when they start complaining
Speaker 8: and sniping and throwing the stink eye.
Speaker 3: It's true, you know, people people say shit, People like
Speaker 3: to point out stuff and listen, we're not here for you, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're here, and we're not We're certainly not here to
Speaker 3: give you pleasure, because that's not what life is, right.
Speaker 3: Life is not about enjoyment. Life is not about having
Speaker 3: a good time.
Speaker 8: Anybody who's ever tried to make their bones in your
Speaker 8: life by constantly offering you pleasure will be out of
Speaker 8: favor and boring the shit out of you within eight months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and anyone who says you only live once, I mean,
Speaker 3: they're absolutely right, But that doesn't mean you get to
Speaker 3: enjoy it. It's about suffering. It's about understanding that what
Speaker 3: you enjoy in one moment is gone after it's done right.
Speaker 3: You will never ever get that sort of enjoyment again.
Speaker 3: And that hurts because you'll try, you will try as
Speaker 3: hard as you can, but you won't get there. And
Speaker 3: so we are here to remind you of that, the
Speaker 3: fact that, oh my god, it was good, and you
Speaker 3: can't have it all day. I could listen to it
Speaker 3: all day, all right, And this is the thing. You
Speaker 3: know what you want to feel good, You want to
Speaker 3: understand what you know. You want to enjoy your next moment.
Speaker 3: You need pain without pain, without the absolute detrimental suffering.
Speaker 3: You can't enjoy the smallest bit of pleasure I.
Speaker 8: Mean, just think about the people who reach the absolute
Speaker 8: heights of stardom and how perverted they become. Just think
Speaker 8: about that, Just think about how far they have to
Speaker 8: stretch the old every day, yes, the Overton window in
Speaker 8: terms of what they go for. It's because what you
Speaker 8: think is pleasure, if you had unfettered access to it
Speaker 8: without intermittent pain, you would actually find yourself trying to
Speaker 8: insert the pain so that the pleasure actually felt deserved,
Speaker 8: and so that you could discern the pleasure from the pain,
Speaker 8: because they share way more in common than they do
Speaker 8: a part. Absolutely, pain and pleasure are the exact same.
Speaker 8: And told, maybe that last step across the threshold and
Speaker 8: the thing is where we thrive the most is on
Speaker 8: that tiny, tiny, tiny little thread, that tiny part of
Speaker 8: the fence that separates pain and pleasure. So you don't
Speaker 8: know exactly which we're giving you, Yes, it's so true
Speaker 8: to ELFX. Bitch, What the fuck do you know about it?
Speaker 8: Absolutely nothing? Not the first thing. Just let us serenade
Speaker 8: you and keep your mouth shut, right, that's the only
Speaker 8: way it can work. And you know, you hear folks say,
Speaker 8: you know when you pine for the past, you know
Speaker 8: for ten years, we've been trying to interrogate not only
Speaker 8: wrestling history, but the nature of nostalgia.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: Yes, we constantly try to ask ourselves why is it
Speaker 8: that we go back and feel the way we feel
Speaker 8: about these things visa via the current day. And it's
Speaker 8: not just old wrestling compared to new wrestling. It's old
Speaker 8: anything compared to do anything. For the most part, just
Speaker 8: about everything used to be better. And we've talked about
Speaker 8: things that might be better now, and we're willing to
Speaker 8: allow the point for sure. But I've heard it positive
Speaker 8: and I'm not exactly sure where there's probably something like
Speaker 8: real video or something. What you miss is being young,
Speaker 8: That's what you miss, and I get it. But I
Speaker 8: can't sign on to that. You know why, because when
Speaker 8: I go back and when I watch stuff from when
Speaker 8: we had society much more better calibrated. Yep, when the
Speaker 8: cell phone didn't destroy your ability to enjoy anything. We
Speaker 8: had a situation where I find myself, you don't if
Speaker 8: I go back and watch an old movie, If I
Speaker 8: go back and watch planes, trains, and automobiles, oh yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't want to be I'm not nostalgic for that movie.
Speaker 8: I don't think that movie is better than what we
Speaker 8: have today, because I want to be as young as
Speaker 8: I was when that movie came out. I want to
Speaker 8: be an adult when that movie took place. Yes, that's
Speaker 8: what you're missing. It's not that I miss being young,
Speaker 8: it said, I feel like I was robbed of the
Speaker 8: chance to be an adult at a time when things
Speaker 8: were easier to enjoy.
Speaker 3: No, I mean it's also it's also like you know,
Speaker 3: when you experience it's what part of it is too,
Speaker 3: is they like they always say, like you witness things
Speaker 3: that you can't appreciate when you're young. Yeah, in many ways,
Speaker 3: you know, you're almost better off just being left alone
Speaker 3: in a box, right for eighteen years, and then being
Speaker 3: let free and then being allowed to explore the.
Speaker 8: World, and not just eighteen years these eighteen years. Yes,
Speaker 8: we are products of a particular time period in generation.
Speaker 8: When we talk about, yes, the Golden Era being the
Speaker 8: Hasbro era, that's because everything was clicked into place and
Speaker 8: we had it. We had the right alchemy, I swear
Speaker 8: we did, and we let.
Speaker 3: The best we're the best toys, we had the best cereal, and.
Speaker 8: We let it slip, you know, yep, because we turned
Speaker 8: into an attention economy without meditating enough on what that
Speaker 8: would mean for our humanity over time. And now we're
Speaker 8: fucked on that front. Now we can't even really deal
Speaker 8: with each other. And the only thing that gets us
Speaker 8: up in the morning is having a sport fight on
Speaker 8: our phones of some type or other. And it's it's
Speaker 8: a it's a situation that I'm not sure we're going
Speaker 8: to come back from. At the very least, I can't
Speaker 8: be blamed for stressed out as Steve Martin is in planes,
Speaker 8: trains and automobiles when he walks, when he when he
Speaker 8: gets back to his house, that's what's up, and that's gone,
Speaker 8: that's gone.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, think about like this too. That
Speaker 3: whole movie is just like impossible, now, That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: It can't.
Speaker 8: His return home wouldn't mean anything because he would have
Speaker 8: been texting and face timing, and he would have been.
Speaker 3: Rebooking, yeah, and updating his Instagram story.
Speaker 8: And all of these things would have felt like the
Speaker 8: advantage technology gives him in the modern day to navigate
Speaker 8: around inconvenience without stopping to consider that life is about inconvenience.
Speaker 8: You fucking morons, You fucking morons. If everything's convenient, nothing
Speaker 8: is convenient. If everything is easy, nothing.
Speaker 3: What you need to really realize sooner than is that
Speaker 3: inconvenience is what is what drives people. It's correct, correct,
Speaker 3: right Like, if everything was convenient, we wouldn't do anything.
Speaker 8: It's not something to be solved for. It is something
Speaker 8: to figure out within yourself how to countenance and a generations.
Speaker 8: That's another thing I resent. It's not that I'm not
Speaker 8: young anymore. It's that my kids can't grow up in
Speaker 8: the same social conditions and the same technological conditions. It's
Speaker 8: not we didn't have anything. I'm not pining for the
Speaker 8: days with no electricity, folks, and there are trade offs.
Speaker 8: I'm certainly not pining for the days that you could
Speaker 8: get you know, fucking lung cancer by inhaling smoke in
Speaker 8: an airplane. But I'm telling you I don't want to
Speaker 8: say I want to say this as bluntly, but I
Speaker 8: don't think there were as many kids hanging from door frames,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? I mean, do I need
Speaker 8: to be straightforward about that? I just find myself upon.
Speaker 3: Sing at the very least there weren't There weren't nearly
Speaker 3: as many.
Speaker 8: School shootings totally thank you. That's an even better example
Speaker 8: that just did that. The stakes weren't as high every
Speaker 8: day and we have this very uneasy we've made this
Speaker 8: uneasy piece with this powder keg situation that we find
Speaker 8: ourselves living in all the time. And you can't tell
Speaker 8: me that that was the case in the day's I
Speaker 8: pine for. So what do you expect and why? Why
Speaker 8: do you think it makes sense that so many people
Speaker 8: are willing to put down the cake to tell us
Speaker 8: to keep going, go faster, go further, go harder into
Speaker 8: the past into assessing what it was that made it good.
Speaker 8: Maybe I don't know, so perhaps we can try to
Speaker 8: keep a little bit of that flame lit in the
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Speaker 8: Something I think about upon TLFX and we're rocking and rolling.
Speaker 8: We're going to continue paying tribute to sid and we
Speaker 8: do deeply appreciate your support and doing so, we'll go forward.
Speaker 8: So the Psycho Moniker, it may have stung more post
Speaker 8: the nineteen ninety three incident with arn Ederson. But now
Speaker 8: it was a new lease on life for Sid. I
Speaker 8: said that had now walked out boss on three contracts
Speaker 8: with the Big Two. I mean we realize this, right,
Speaker 8: he has walked out. I mean think about that.
Speaker 5: How many?
Speaker 3: How many? How many could how many companies can somebody
Speaker 3: walk out of in normal nine to five day jobs
Speaker 3: and still be that desirable and still be like hey,
Speaker 3: and have achieved so little objectively on paper? Right?
Speaker 8: You know, if you were to assess him empirically against
Speaker 8: other main eventors or top guys of his era, like,
Speaker 8: how can this guy command this much money? Are we
Speaker 8: really marks like that for traps? Yeah, and a guy
Speaker 8: that waterflies off his head when he flickses his head
Speaker 8: to the right in the middle of the ring. Sid
Speaker 8: is incredibly charismatic. He was born to be a progressing superstar.
Speaker 8: But this is a little much if you ask me,
Speaker 8: I mean, it's true, like it's it's the fact that
Speaker 8: after the arm thing, he's about to run away with
Speaker 8: the bag of his career and enter his top earning
Speaker 8: years instead of a period of time where he's a pariah.
Speaker 8: Is is truly remarkable? Now, I mean geez. At least
Speaker 8: Vince took a year. Fucking Do you think Babrahams was
Speaker 8: ready to go? Do you think he had his phone
Speaker 8: number right away? Do you think USWA down in Memphis,
Speaker 8: where of course Sid is from and started his career,
Speaker 8: as we talked about in the very beginning of this
Speaker 8: tribute to Sid, was ready to book him under Jerry Lawler.
Speaker 8: Of course they were. Sid didn't stay that unbusy from
Speaker 8: a pro wrestling perspective in nineteen ninety four. In fact,
Speaker 8: despite this all falling apart in October November of nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety three, WCW, by April he was wrestling at the
Speaker 8: Trump taj Mahal of all places, Oh my God, where
Speaker 8: an organization called the WWWA ran a couple of cards,
Speaker 8: including one in April where Tito Santana defeated Sid by
Speaker 8: disqualification there in Atlantic City. There was that time period
Speaker 8: kind of after I don't know, mid nineties. I would
Speaker 8: say after WCW had hit like truly the skids, that
Speaker 8: a lot of organizations were trying. Like we talked about this,
Speaker 8: a lot, DRIK lapsed. Funk Eastern Championship became ECW Crockett
Speaker 8: Junior tried to do something like the World Wrestling Network
Speaker 8: was the AWF, the American Wrestling Federation, which got a
Speaker 8: bunch of syndicated stations, and Tito Santana was involved along
Speaker 8: with Sergeant Slaughter in that. With the AWA collapsing to
Speaker 8: in the early nineties, that that kind of left open
Speaker 8: some opportunities that people tried to fill. And there were
Speaker 8: just a ton I mean, you remember looking through PWI
Speaker 8: in the nineties like they were just oh yeah, IWCCW,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck yeah. I mean, we're talking just so many,
Speaker 3: so many glorious little promotions, and.
Speaker 8: You're reading around ninety four they always talk about USWA,
Speaker 8: like Lawler always had a great relationship with Bill. After
Speaker 8: going back to the Andy Kaufman stuff, they're presenting Lawler
Speaker 8: and Brian Christopher, his son Brian Lawler and and guys
Speaker 8: who are headlining in this last vestige of the old
Speaker 8: territories down in Memphis, Tennessee. They're still presenting them in
Speaker 8: the pages of the Leading National Wrestling after MAGS the
Speaker 8: National Ones as champions worth thinking about right in the
Speaker 8: same breath as the WWF and WWCW champions. Yeap, of
Speaker 8: course talked about those rankings, right, tell them about that.
Speaker 8: And you're looking at You're looking down these names, You're like.
Speaker 3: Who is this? Now, what's the USWA? You used to
Speaker 3: have no fucking idea who so many of these clowns were.
Speaker 3: But that was what was so exciting, because it's like, well,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, they're valuable someplace, Like I don't think
Speaker 3: I ever thought the term valuable in my actual brain, yeah,
Speaker 3: when that was happening, But there was an idea that like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, somebody cares about him, and why yes?
Speaker 3: And how can I care about him? How can he
Speaker 3: lay claim to being a world champion. This is, of course,
Speaker 3: at a time when we as fans still thought that
Speaker 3: that carried some kind of designation. It didn't really occur
Speaker 3: to us that any promoter could call their title the
Speaker 3: world title.
Speaker 8: But here's the thing. Any promoter could call their title
Speaker 8: the world title, but that wouldn't necessarily get p WI
Speaker 8: to publish it as a world champion. Right, And you
Speaker 8: got global that tries to get coming on ESPN. You've
Speaker 8: got all these these attempts in the nineties to pick
Speaker 8: up the pieces of these closing territories. The USWA was
Speaker 8: the outgrowth of the c WA, the Memphis Territories. We
Speaker 8: all know it. Lawler still owns the place, and Jerry
Speaker 8: Jarrett's still involved, and they're still doing you know, Saturday
Speaker 8: morning studio wrestling on WMCTV, and there's ten people in
Speaker 8: the audience, and they're still trying to run in the
Speaker 8: Mid South Colosseum every Monday night that Lawler sold out
Speaker 8: for generations, it seemed like, and that's kind of the
Speaker 8: last place to go if you're not one of the
Speaker 8: big two. That feels like the old way of making
Speaker 8: money in the business. And of course for Sid it's
Speaker 8: home geographically in a lot of ways, right. So by
Speaker 8: the summer of ninety four, he is in the USWA
Speaker 8: working the Mid South Colosseum again, where he formally wrestled
Speaker 8: as Lord Humongous I'm so Crazy wrestling the likes of
Speaker 8: Jeff Gaylord for the USWA Universal Unified rather World Heavyweight title.
Speaker 8: And in the beginning of this USWA run he's softer.
Speaker 8: You can tell he's not necessarily being as as religious
Speaker 8: and as I don't know, self conscious about the look. Yeah,
Speaker 8: one thing, I think we've really laid baar here in
Speaker 8: looking at the thing. Sid has said, and others have
Speaker 8: said about his psychology of the business, like, he really
Speaker 8: doesn't want to be on camera unless he can look
Speaker 8: like Sid. And he knows what it takes to look
Speaker 8: like Sid, and he can't do it overnight. And so
Speaker 8: he's got a really get the potion just right dial
Speaker 8: in the let's just say he's going to get on
Speaker 8: the right cycle.
Speaker 3: Oh it makes you think, yeah, like absolutely.
Speaker 8: Cycle Sid is Dave Meltzer.
Speaker 3: Yes, cycle.
Speaker 8: It is a cyclical business, boss, is it not? What
Speaker 8: cycles are we talking about? Is the question? What cycles
Speaker 8: are we talking about? Is the question?
Speaker 3: I know exactly what fucking cycle he's talking about.
Speaker 8: So loose, a little soft. He's got darker hair. You
Speaker 8: would have been very alarmed by his early USWA hair.
Speaker 8: If his psycho Sid hair bothers you, this is a
Speaker 8: whole other issue. Like it gets darker brown, it's never
Speaker 8: it's not quite as wet as it needs to be.
Speaker 8: But he's on TV and he's he's content, apparently to
Speaker 8: uh to return to this scale of of enterprise in
Speaker 8: the wrestling business for someone that thought it was worth
Speaker 8: fucking three quarters of a million dollars at the snap
Speaker 8: of a finger. Here he is on an episode of
Speaker 8: us W a local television, but of course Lance Russell
Speaker 8: and Dave Brown the signature of voices of Memphis Wrestling
Speaker 8: calling the action at the desk, and as he would
Speaker 8: do when he was on the road, Jerry Lawler would
Speaker 8: phone in so that he could have pretty much a
Speaker 8: weekly presence on the television.
Speaker 3: From what I've seen these phones in a lot, he felt.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he did it figuratively and literally in those days.
Speaker 8: But on set, engaging in a bit of a debate
Speaker 8: with the phoning in Jerry Lawler is none other than Sid.
Speaker 8: Here's what Sid was doing after he disappeared from the
Speaker 8: National Spotlight. And you couldn't see or hear any of
Speaker 8: this at the time unless you were living in Memphis
Speaker 8: or trading tapes.
Speaker 15: Anyway. Yeah, we're going to be in Victoria there tomorrow afternoon,
Speaker 15: and then unfortunately I had right back out for gosh,
Speaker 15: I've got three more days of wrestling for them, and
Speaker 15: then I'm going to be back on for a while.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, it just seems like forever.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 16: I think I was going one time when you were here,
Speaker 16: and I haven't seen you in about a month.
Speaker 3: And yeah, King, I hadn't seen you in a long time.
Speaker 15: This is Dave.
Speaker 3: I was at the specer men.
Speaker 4: Well wait a minute, Jerry, here comes saying that.
Speaker 10: Vicious and spike you.
Speaker 17: Jerry, God.
Speaker 5: Said, will you just let us fin He says, sit
Speaker 5: here on the phone, and you tell everybody's sitting here.
Speaker 5: Everybody's sitting at home watching TV. I'm off of Florida.
Speaker 18: I might be in Canada, but the truth is Roller
Speaker 18: you're sitting at your house right here in the city
Speaker 18: of Memphis. He is, You're locked up for your product,
Speaker 18: and you are scared, fat, bad.
Speaker 19: Yes, people that worship you and there they call you
Speaker 19: the king.
Speaker 5: Why is it?
Speaker 18: Would tell you, Lawler, you aren't scared towers and the
Speaker 18: people are looking right now. It's the uncrowned king, the
Speaker 18: uncrowding of civilized killers, my friend. And before I'll leave.
Speaker 5: The usw say it be a year, ten years, you
Speaker 5: laller and everybody want you.
Speaker 4: There goes Uh said, law Jesus, will you get back
Speaker 4: here and beat this sucker up.
Speaker 20: He's around here slamming and hurting everybody he can get
Speaker 20: anywhere near Jerry.
Speaker 10: It is absolutely ridiculous of stuff that Visius has done
Speaker 10: since he's been here. Are you with us?
Speaker 3: Nope? Oh we still got him? Nope, lose a connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we lost the connection in there.
Speaker 3: Uh, let's hold on here a second. Let me see
Speaker 3: if I can. Well, I don't know whether and.
Speaker 8: They don't figure it out. I'd love to know it's
Speaker 8: not a bunch of idiots apparent if that was like
Speaker 8: a shoot, or if if Lawler, like for dramatic effect,
Speaker 8: just hangs up the phone, because I think it kind
Speaker 8: of works a little bit, if he did it on
Speaker 8: purpose work. Yeah, and he doesn't know, he's kind of
Speaker 8: like he's so pissed that he doesn't even want to
Speaker 8: say what's on his mind with Sid interrupting him like that,
Speaker 8: or he is a little shook, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's great.
Speaker 8: Sid there was accompanied by Spike Huber, who is the
Speaker 8: son in law of Dick the Bruiser and had a
Speaker 8: career throughout the Midwest throughout the eighties and by the
Speaker 8: nineties was working down in Memphis. So that's what Sid's
Speaker 8: doing for the time being over there. He also gets
Speaker 8: involved when herb Abrams sets up shop again for the
Speaker 8: UWF Black Jack Brawl pay per view in Las Vegas.
Speaker 8: God took place September twenty third of nineteen ninety four. Boss,
Speaker 8: you may have recalled from our episode on herb Abrams
Speaker 8: when we partnered with the guys that Dark Side of
Speaker 8: the Ring for the Unheard podcast, we spent a lot
Speaker 8: of time digging into some of the unaired clips about
Speaker 8: this show, this event, and the fall of ninety four
Speaker 8: where they somehow, despite no track record of success and
Speaker 8: essentially being dark for two years, secured one of the
Speaker 8: premium sports venues on the strip at the MGM Grand
Speaker 8: Garden Arena and no one was there and no one
Speaker 8: cared and it was a disaster. That sounds about right,
Speaker 8: And you know, her played all kinds of fascinating games,
Speaker 8: according to guys like Stevie Ray and others who spoke
Speaker 8: to the producers of Dark Side of the Ring to
Speaker 8: kind of create this impression that, like, you know, you
Speaker 8: probably should front us some money here. We're a little short,
Speaker 8: and it'll be it'll be a black mark on all
Speaker 8: of us if we have to cancel the show at
Speaker 8: this juncture, and somehow convincing these these hot shots in
Speaker 8: Vegas to just come out of pocket for like one
Speaker 8: hundred grand that they'll never see back and this was
Speaker 8: the last hurrah for herb Abrams and he saw that
Speaker 8: he found in that budget money to pay Sid. Sid
Speaker 8: comes in. Sid wrestles Doctor Death Steve Williams for the
Speaker 8: UWF World Heavyweight title on the Blackjack Brawl.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 8: And they go out there and they actually try like
Speaker 8: Sid takes a belly to belly off the top rope.
Speaker 3: By shit, you not, are you kidding me? Yep?
Speaker 8: He does. He tries to bump Steve Williams give him
Speaker 8: the doctor Bomb. They got wrenched power bomb as well.
Speaker 8: And the ring. I don't know what the deal was
Speaker 8: with this JANKI it basically breaks during the course of
Speaker 8: the contest. You have like a almost like a bubble
Speaker 8: pop up underneath the matt and the center of the ring,
Speaker 8: indicating that the boards had shifted or something had something
Speaker 8: was very seriously wrong underneath this mat and it happens
Speaker 8: during the course of these two giants pumping around in it.
Speaker 8: But you know, Sid didn't do much more than just
Speaker 8: work this one match with Steve and UWF. It's not
Speaker 8: like there's a whole bunch of promos or anything out
Speaker 8: there that you can discover from what I saw on
Speaker 8: the broadcast, they actually do an interview with Sid backstage,
Speaker 8: but they're so they're so incapable from a production standpoint
Speaker 8: that you can't even hear the audio of Sid's interview
Speaker 8: on the broadcast. You cannot hear. It's understated, to say
Speaker 8: the least. But bost you know, I guess what the
Speaker 8: UWF run creates the question of is we've talked about
Speaker 8: Sid Justice, We've talked about Sid Vicious, We've talked about
Speaker 8: psycho Sid. Do you know what they called them in UWF?
Speaker 3: Ah, Sid the clown?
Speaker 8: Are you ready for malicious Sid Vicious?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, come on really?
Speaker 8: Versus malicious being a word used by Oran Anderson in
Speaker 8: his lawsuit against Sid for stabbing him. So yes, I
Speaker 8: guess malicious was. I guess they were deeply amused by
Speaker 8: the Sid stabbing incident and decided to use that as
Speaker 8: his moniker in DUWF. And after that short run, if
Speaker 8: you can call one match a run, he goes to
Speaker 8: back USWA, which he worked in premittently throughout nineteen ninety four, including,
Speaker 8: of course, as we mentioned, winning their world title. He
Speaker 8: even wrestles Lord Humongous. I don't know who it was,
Speaker 8: but Sid wow?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 8: Yes? On October tenth of nineteen ninety four, the Mid
Speaker 8: South Colosseum, Sid Vicious defeats Lord Humuongus to retain the
Speaker 8: USWA Unified World Heavyweight title and not. On October seventeenth
Speaker 8: of nineteen ninety four, give you three guesses who you
Speaker 8: think Sid defended the belt against.
Speaker 3: On this show.
Speaker 8: Harvey Whippleman No, Hulk Hogan Yes, no, o kidding? Jerry
Speaker 8: Lawler No, the Undertaker get out of town. Really, let's
Speaker 8: think about it. Nineteen ninety four Lawler, Oh, yeah, Vince
Speaker 8: going to Memphis to practice his heel mannerisms. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: Let's not forget that. That's one of the true one
Speaker 8: of the fascinating things. Something that the McMahon documentary on
Speaker 8: Netflix totally misses that the guy already knew how to
Speaker 8: play a heel because of this Memphis run where he went.
Speaker 3: Down there, because he lived his life.
Speaker 8: Of course there's that due, but he was ready for
Speaker 8: the attitude of a man because he played that Vince
Speaker 8: McMahon that was trying to stop Steve Austin from breaking
Speaker 8: out of the corporate mold in the very beginning that
Speaker 8: Vince is the guy that goes down to USWA and
Speaker 8: just kind of has his nose up just a little
Speaker 8: bit at these Southern fans, you know, not too much,
Speaker 8: but just enough to make him want to ring his
Speaker 8: fucking neck. Of course, he's so good at it, and
Speaker 8: he doesn't act maniacal, he doesn't act mcavellian. He just acts,
Speaker 8: you know, like a piece of shit from Connecticut. And
Speaker 8: it's amazing stuff. And this is all happening in ninety four,
Speaker 8: the same around the same time, I guess, not coincidentally,
Speaker 8: that the WWF is considering tapping Jerry Jarrett to take
Speaker 8: over business affairs if Fence gets put behind bars. Oh,
Speaker 8: of course that makes sense another USWA proprietor. So the
Speaker 8: bonds between the Memphis office and the WWF are as
Speaker 8: strong as perhaps they ever were in the year of
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety four, and it's not uncommon to see Undertaker
Speaker 8: come through and work USWA shows to help boost the house.
Speaker 8: This is where they get Comma from Charles Wright as
Speaker 8: he starts his career. This is where they get Kane.
Speaker 8: Oh sure Kine as well comes through. It's hell razer
Speaker 8: here at first, and there's basically you know, it's not
Speaker 8: unlike the arrangement they kind of had with ECW, where
Speaker 8: guys that they wanted to put some polish on would
Speaker 8: get sent down there. They look for new recruits, and
Speaker 8: there would be sort of like a first option on
Speaker 8: the talents that were working that circuit as opposed to
Speaker 8: go into WCW and yeah, ever now and then to
Speaker 8: help boost the house, they'd send guys of Utterertaker's caliber
Speaker 8: down there. And sin has said basically that he considers
Speaker 8: this kind of thing. In nineteen ninety four, the WWF
Speaker 8: trying to figure out if sid Is is hireable again.
Speaker 8: So it's not just like a sudden as some would
Speaker 8: like to to present it, snap decision in nineteen ninety
Speaker 8: five to heat up Sean and Diesel.
Speaker 3: Well, let's say I I because that's not even you
Speaker 3: know when you think about it's not even gonna snap
Speaker 3: whatever you just call that snap decision. Yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 3: you know that would have been that would have been
Speaker 3: in ninety three when he left. You know, like it's
Speaker 3: obviously you know, you know, he's not as I don't know,
Speaker 3: to me, that would have been more of the time.
Speaker 3: So like this is actually just like raving him and
Speaker 3: watching him and seeing, you know, if he can, if
Speaker 3: he's if he is valuable.
Speaker 8: Right, and a Jerry Lawler who you know played no
Speaker 8: small part in getting Sid into the business as we
Speaker 8: touched about it in the first place, and someone who
Speaker 8: I think WWF would probably trust the word of as
Speaker 8: to whether he was you know, back and performing at
Speaker 8: a level that would make him manageable from a Big
Speaker 8: two standpoint, because what becomes the case with Sid is
Speaker 8: nothing when doubting he's he's an impact player, but whether
Speaker 8: he's worth the hassle that you know he's going to bring.
Speaker 8: Has he learned anything about how to relate to other
Speaker 8: human beings in a better way such that we're not
Speaker 8: going to have the prototypical blow up. Of course, the
Speaker 8: longer you look at Sid's career, the more you realize
Speaker 8: those blow ups are probably by design. He's going to
Speaker 8: find a reason to get mad when he want, whenever
Speaker 8: he wants to leave. It's been a manufacturer reason to
Speaker 8: feel insulted or slighted.
Speaker 3: He's such a fool.
Speaker 8: But nonetheless, you know this is coming off the stabbing,
Speaker 8: and people don't know what they're dealing with. They don't
Speaker 8: know if this is a guy who can figure out
Speaker 8: how to get along with guys in the locker room again.
Speaker 8: So I think a lot of these months in the
Speaker 8: US ware are kind of like a stealth mission from
Speaker 8: WWF in cooperation with Jerry lawlerd to see what they've
Speaker 8: got here. And one Undertaker comes through. It was similar.
Speaker 8: It's kind of how Godfather got his job. It's kind
Speaker 8: of how Cain got his job versus II Gangam. This
Speaker 8: Taker goes down to Memphis and works him and comes
Speaker 8: back and is he a big man you can work with?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 8: Is he a big man that that can fit into
Speaker 8: our system? Absolutely? Or absolutely not? And you see the
Speaker 8: results from there. So they wrestle for about ten minutes
Speaker 8: again in the Mid South Colisseum on October seventeenth of
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety four. This is Undertaker with Paul Behrer in
Speaker 8: the Purple. This is the Purple era, of course.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I can't believe you're down. They are wrestling
Speaker 3: in Purple.
Speaker 8: It's jarring to see. I mean, you know, we know
Speaker 8: there's nothing more fascinating than prime WWF guys working non
Speaker 8: WWF shows. That's the whole paint off the Pacific Journey.
Speaker 8: That's the whole point of it to see the Hogan.
Speaker 8: We need, the savage, we need try to get three
Speaker 8: and a half stars in tokyot. Try to get stacked
Speaker 8: up with power bombs and kick out it too, you know,
Speaker 8: try to hit power lariats. Yes, and so it's kind
Speaker 8: of a version of that to see guys like Huntertaker
Speaker 8: and others go down there and work at USWA. After that,
Speaker 8: the next week he wrestles Mabel. Sid wrestles Mabel.
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, does he power bomb him?
Speaker 8: No, He's just not power bomb him. This of course
Speaker 8: is post Mabel headlining SummerSlam. That no, heading into said
Speaker 8: lighting SummerSlam the next year, that would be the next year. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and win King of the Roles right now. So this
Speaker 8: is preparing for the push of his life. And he
Speaker 8: gets some work with Sid beforehand. Mabel yea and the
Speaker 8: go to Louisville and Lex Luger comes down to wrestle
Speaker 8: Sid in November of nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 3: That's actually, you know, on paper, that's an intriguing matchup.
Speaker 3: I won't mind.
Speaker 8: I would have thought, yeah, if if Luger won the
Speaker 8: belt in ninety three, ninety fours, he just should have
Speaker 8: really and I think Sid would have been a great
Speaker 8: early opponent for him. Sid coming out of the would
Speaker 8: work like after he wins the belt and attacking him.
Speaker 8: That'd have been amazing. Absolutely, And we never really got
Speaker 8: the program in WCW either. So we talked about when
Speaker 8: Sid came back from the softball injury, the lung injury
Speaker 8: that became your fucking plane softball, he had to do
Speaker 8: a tenseecond job to Lex Lugner on a clash, and
Speaker 8: then they never really they never really circled back to it.
Speaker 8: That would have been the design if he hadn't left
Speaker 8: for New York, but never got there. But yeah, they
Speaker 8: get to clash Lex Lucra. Of course by this point
Speaker 8: the All American were red, white and blue stripes. But
Speaker 8: definitely on the Wayne, definitely on the downside. He's headed
Speaker 8: towards the Allied Powers thing as opposed to much of
Speaker 8: a singles run in WWF here in November Meta.
Speaker 3: Four, Oh yeah, absolutely, that's where we got in line
Speaker 3: for Lukes for.
Speaker 8: Luke's and in that undertaker match it ended in a
Speaker 8: disqualification when a wrestler went by the name of Spellbinder
Speaker 8: and who had a brief uh uh syndicated TV squash
Speaker 8: Job series of matches for WWF as the magician. What
Speaker 8: the hell they call him? Fantasmo. Have you ever seen
Speaker 8: this guy?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 8: Yeah, they brought him in, they they held him, worked
Speaker 8: a couple of tapings. He was like a magician in
Speaker 8: the ring. He had white face paint on, like a
Speaker 8: mime almost, and he would like do a magic trick
Speaker 8: to distract his opponent and then roll him up. This
Speaker 8: fucking had no chance, no chance at all. But again
Speaker 8: another example of that USWAWWF talent exchange that was very
Speaker 8: much going on in nineteen ninety four, and they were
Speaker 8: doing it with Smoky Mountain as well. Of course, right, yeah,
Speaker 8: of course that's how Jim Cornette gets the commentary in
Speaker 8: the front office role as well. And heavenly bodies come.
Speaker 3: In and bodies and then we get the fucking rock
Speaker 3: and roll Express, for God's.
Speaker 8: Sake, sure do in the WWF ring. Bizarre it is
Speaker 8: so the undertaker Manchens and DQ and Spellbinder runs in,
Speaker 8: allowing Sid to remain the champion. And here's a promo
Speaker 8: that Sid cut after that match, turning his attention to
Speaker 8: Jerry Lawler and Jerry's son Brian Christopher, who he also
Speaker 8: worked against in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 13: See Everywhere looking big letters, it says five thousand dollars
Speaker 13: from a man who wins the battle royld Well.
Speaker 3: That sounds big, doesn't it. Well a lot of people
Speaker 3: might be even excited about it.
Speaker 18: But what it says to me when I say it,
Speaker 18: Claire the smell explain it did any more?
Speaker 4: Waity hell some specials.
Speaker 10: On the US wa.
Speaker 3: See, we will not fall for it.
Speaker 13: I know what you're up to.
Speaker 18: He's a sacred plan to put somebody I.
Speaker 4: Just said vicious.
Speaker 3: See what you're gonna do.
Speaker 18: You'll have him ten twenty thirty, forty fifty people there.
Speaker 18: We'll say, I won't have a chance to prepare. I
Speaker 18: won't have a chance to know who the man is,
Speaker 18: or maybe know about how he is, or what he's
Speaker 18: gonna do or what he might bring.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: That's what the whole scheme is, isn't it.
Speaker 6: That's what the whole plan is. To make sid fishes,
Speaker 6: make his day hard.
Speaker 18: We'll say, wady health, ady morn, whoever is concerned. If
Speaker 18: I was a man who would care who, then that
Speaker 18: might say something, But I'm not.
Speaker 13: Because it's simple. See I don't care because I am
Speaker 13: sub vicious and I rule the world. Now just a second,
Speaker 13: you buying Christopher, you're Joe Lawler. Do you want a
Speaker 13: return match? Well, I'll say this, you can have it,
Speaker 13: but I think your chances of getting that battle royal
Speaker 13: then become simmed and none.
Speaker 3: So you guys gotta remember something.
Speaker 13: I've got a little saying and it goes like this,
Speaker 13: do one to the man as the man would do
Speaker 13: one to you.
Speaker 8: First time I heard that.
Speaker 3: You love it?
Speaker 8: Had he said that in WWF il ready I don't
Speaker 8: even remember them. I don't know if he said it.
Speaker 8: He said that, I said justice, I don't remember. So
Speaker 8: that's what he was sounding like. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 8: he's coming to his own. The promos are now dialed in. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: for sure, and uh sure that makes me interested in
Speaker 8: seeing the match for for sure. And uh he would
Speaker 8: work Lawlor And you had to know something was up
Speaker 8: because February sixth of nineteen ninety five, as we turned
Speaker 8: the page to the year nineteen ninety five for Sid,
Speaker 8: he loses the USWA Unified World Heavyweight title to Jerry
Speaker 8: Lawler in the Mid South Colosseum on a Monday night,
Speaker 8: no DQ and he is done with the USWA, which
Speaker 8: means there must be a new contract on the table.
Speaker 8: There must be newfound interest in the Psycho one. Let's
Speaker 8: head back to Stamford.
Speaker 21: Was like, well, what if we gave Sean a bodyguard
Speaker 21: to make people believe that he has a chance against
Speaker 21: this giant diesel. I brought Sid's name up just out
Speaker 21: of I wasn't there, so I didn't go through all
Speaker 21: the shit that they had all previously gone through. But
Speaker 21: you could tell that Vince kind of had a soft
Speaker 21: spot for Sid and thought, well, yeah, that could work.
Speaker 21: We'll bring him back and we'll see how the reaction is.
Speaker 21: We're not going to bring him back in the ring away.
Speaker 21: We'll put him with Sean. Let's see how this dynamic works,
Speaker 21: and we'll take it step by step. I don't know
Speaker 21: that there were any big guarantees made to Sid. It
Speaker 21: was like, you want to work, You're not going back
Speaker 21: to work down South. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 21: have you. And if you want to make money in
Speaker 21: the wrestling business right now, the only place to do
Speaker 21: it is here. So let's try this. Let's let's see
Speaker 21: what happens and we'll take it on a day by
Speaker 21: day basis.
Speaker 3: That was the pitch. So okay, that was a pitch. Uh.
Speaker 3: Did you.
Speaker 8: Do you think that Diesel Sean was weak and that
Speaker 8: Sid strengthened it the dynamic? No, tell me about it?
Speaker 3: To me, I mean, Sid Sean to me, was the
Speaker 3: obvious way to go. A Diesel Shan mean what I say, So, yeah,
Speaker 3: Diesel Sean. Diesel Sean was the way to go. Uh,
Speaker 3: just because of the way to been built up, you know,
Speaker 3: the way it had done. Like I wasn't. I didn't
Speaker 3: think it was weak. I didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't really see it like that because I never
Speaker 8: saw I never saw matches as being like like are
Speaker 8: they marquee enough?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 8: Doesn't feel like event me.
Speaker 3: It was like the two of them had history, the
Speaker 3: two of them. I mean I was wrong. I was
Speaker 3: excited that Sid came back, for sure, but at the
Speaker 3: time I didn't need it. It wasn't like I said, oh,
Speaker 3: what a crummy main event. You know, I didn't say
Speaker 3: that at all. I was like, this is great, this
Speaker 3: is what it should be. You know, the the two
Speaker 3: the two best friends and now they're fighting for the championship.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean I didn't. It was weird, you know,
Speaker 3: I think about the Royal rumble that year. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I certainly didn't. That wasn't in my mind. You know,
Speaker 3: I always wanted a babyface to win, but obviously it's
Speaker 3: it's it's what they going for. But yeah, I never
Speaker 3: saw a problem with it. I mean, also I saw
Speaker 3: you know, this is when I went to the in
Speaker 3: high gear for the one we've mentioned many I talked
Speaker 3: about many times at Worcester Centrum that was delayed and
Speaker 3: then you know, brought back and we went like the
Speaker 3: next night, and nobody was there. It was a fucking
Speaker 3: just a dead, a dead fucking building. But I remember
Speaker 3: what was interesting about that was that people were cheering
Speaker 3: for Shawn Michaels by that point, and this must have
Speaker 3: been mid to late February, yep, I think, and people
Speaker 3: were cheering for Sean Michael. I don't think Sid was
Speaker 3: there yet, right, was it there?
Speaker 8: He had come in, but I don't think it had
Speaker 8: aired yet.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I don't think he came down with Sean.
Speaker 3: I would have known. I don't remember that. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think he came down by himself to face Adam Baum,
Speaker 3: and he fucking white the floor with him, and he
Speaker 3: was hugely over So, I you know, if you got
Speaker 3: people in a in a weak ass Worcester centrum cheering
Speaker 3: for Shawn Michaels, and not only that, but getting me
Speaker 3: to cheer for Shawn Michaels when I was very much
Speaker 3: in my like, you know, I don't cheer for bad guys.
Speaker 8: You didn't feel uncomfortable cheering for him over Diesel.
Speaker 3: No, I was actually kind of like, oh, this is
Speaker 3: kind of cool. It's like, okay, I can go for
Speaker 3: I can go with this. I can go with this,
Speaker 3: you know, and and and and he and he and
Speaker 3: he went over and he went over out of bombs.
Speaker 2: A lap fan wrestling podcast wrest podcast with Jack and.
Speaker 8: Sean definitely caught a wave at this point in time.
Speaker 8: And I think it's Vince, just like we saw with Roman,
Speaker 8: going into an absolute psychological tail spin about not being
Speaker 8: able to control who the fans want to cheer as
Speaker 8: a babyface that leads in part to the over correction
Speaker 8: of bringing in Sin. I mean, I don't know. Ultimately,
Speaker 8: as we'll talk about and as Shawn has talked about
Speaker 8: the abrupt turning of sind On, Sean after WrestleMania eleven
Speaker 8: was in no small part because Vince didn't want Sean
Speaker 8: around taking the steam of you know, top baby face
Speaker 8: reactions from Diesel. It was clear after WrestleMania eleven and
Speaker 8: the way that match played out that the fans in
Speaker 8: most of the cities that counted in terms of like
Speaker 8: the pulse cities the cities were Vince, Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I know the pulse. I have the pulse. I create
Speaker 3: the pulse, right and Diesels my pulse.
Speaker 8: And look, on occasion the fans start to confuse that,
Speaker 8: and I understand.
Speaker 3: The fans confused. That's the problem. It's not that they
Speaker 3: try to confuse what what's going on. They get confused
Speaker 3: and they don't understand that who they're cheering for is wrong,
Speaker 3: and they don't really want to be cheering for them.
Speaker 3: They think that a Shawn Michaels excites them, but he doesn't.
Speaker 3: What excites them is that Diesel is beating up Shawn Michaels.
Speaker 3: That's what actually excites them. They just don't understand. They
Speaker 3: get confused.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, they do, yes, correct.
Speaker 3: So that's simply here, nor there, nor everywhere.
Speaker 8: And you can hear it in the body of the
Speaker 8: match you wrestle many eleven the people decide in that
Speaker 8: match that they actually want Sean to win.
Speaker 3: No, they didn't. They didn't.
Speaker 8: Well that's that's an effective argument.
Speaker 3: It's just a fact. They did. They did not they they?
Speaker 8: And why did you have to write Sean off television
Speaker 8: for months? The night after the week after.
Speaker 3: Because that because listen, I was building up his return.
Speaker 3: You know, here we have a guy that just uh
Speaker 3: that just you know, he just lost. But we're going
Speaker 3: to turn him babyface. But we can't have him come
Speaker 3: back in just yet because it's the sympathy thing. You're
Speaker 3: going to simply the angle, the angle, the sympathetic oath angle, right.
Speaker 8: The sympathetic oath anglely, Yeah, that old classic. Oh what
Speaker 8: if you think Bruce is the only person to lay
Speaker 8: claim to being the first to suggest bringing back Sid.
Speaker 8: Of course he would be wrong and can't wait to
Speaker 8: hear from a couple of other voices that lay claimed
Speaker 8: the precise same thing. But his name is in the
Speaker 8: sauce because Vince thinks it's something Sean needs and it
Speaker 8: wouldn't surprise me if what he really means is if
Speaker 8: Sid's standing next to Sean it'll make Sean more of
Speaker 8: a heel as opposed to being this guy fighting from
Speaker 8: underneath against an oversized champion, and Diesel very tough to
Speaker 8: pull off to be to be bigger than the heel
Speaker 8: challenger by the degree that Diesel was bigger than Sean
Speaker 8: and not eventually get the people decide with the guy
Speaker 8: who is fighting the odds from a size perspective, I
Speaker 8: feel like, sure, sure, you know, Hogan struggled to do
Speaker 8: that against Savage, although they had some really great matches.
Speaker 8: If that kept going, people would have been like, all right,
Speaker 8: Savage has got to win this thing. You know, I
Speaker 8: want Savage to win.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, that's people want David to triumph Goliath.
Speaker 3: That's just human nature.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and especially when you consider as how awesome you
Speaker 8: have to be for New York to give you a
Speaker 8: world title shot against a champion that's bigger than you are.
Speaker 8: You know, that's not the size advantage. And that's another
Speaker 8: part of the reason to bring in sid Is we'll
Speaker 8: talk about in ninety five after the Shawn program. Ninety
Speaker 8: five is going to be the year of Diesels World Champion.
Speaker 8: It's going to be his year to be Hogan, like
Speaker 8: we need challengers, and we need challengers in the Hogan
Speaker 8: mold that stack up to our champion. From a physical perspective,
Speaker 8: He's got a sleigh giants, and there weren't many on
Speaker 8: the marketplace, especially post steroid trials, that were ready willing
Speaker 8: and able quite like Sid, and so he checked that
Speaker 8: box rather nicely as well. What ready willing and Mabel
Speaker 8: William Mabel. Although, as Bruce will lay out in Future
Speaker 8: Eclipse from his podcast Something to Wrestle, the original booking
Speaker 8: plans for how to handle Sid, Diesel and Sewan in
Speaker 8: ninety five kind of went up in Smoke Doe too,
Speaker 8: in part the way Vince re acted to the finish
Speaker 8: of the title match WrestleMania eleven. But still Diesel versus
Speaker 8: Sid was always going to be circle to eventually. So
Speaker 8: we've got interest up in Stanford. There is Yes, we're
Speaker 8: talking about his name again, and we're pretending that he
Speaker 8: didn't wrestle a year in the us w A as
Speaker 8: a litmus test. We're pretending that just one day his
Speaker 8: name came up, not that we sent fucking undertaker Enable
Speaker 8: and Lex down there to work with him.
Speaker 3: I've i simply said, hey, you know what we haven't
Speaker 3: seen Sid in a while. Let's bring him up. Let's
Speaker 3: see what he can do.
Speaker 8: Right, I've heard from Sid.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen Sydney since WrestleMania, you know, ninety two.
Speaker 3: I mean as well, just.
Speaker 8: If you don't count telling, if you don't count telling
Speaker 8: Lawlor how to book the finish of the match against
Speaker 8: Sid a month ago in the Midside College.
Speaker 3: And I don't have nothing to do with Jerry Lawler
Speaker 3: at all ever.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that this, You're right, this is around that time
Speaker 8: of that underage sex allegation against him, that the loss
Speaker 8: of this.
Speaker 3: Never been involved in sexual excapades.
Speaker 8: This is definitely the time of this, of the time
Speaker 8: period where you pretend not to know Mary Lawler. That's
Speaker 8: a great point.
Speaker 3: Who's Jerry Lawler?
Speaker 8: Exactly?
Speaker 3: I'm not aware of things.
Speaker 8: That much is clear. And look, I mean for most
Speaker 8: for half a ninety four, Vince is on trial, so
Speaker 8: what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 8: He is no idea what's going to happen? So yes,
Speaker 8: here's Jim Cornett, who has mentioned, due to the Smoking
Speaker 8: Mountain Alliance, is now not only a full time television
Speaker 8: manager for WWF and a television commentator, but also part
Speaker 8: of the office staff, part of the creative staff as well.
Speaker 8: So he's offering first hand insight in terms of being
Speaker 8: at the table, not just you know, observing from the outside,
Speaker 8: which he also is really good at doing as a
Speaker 8: student of the game. But here he is talking from
Speaker 8: the inside out about Vince's psychology visa via Sid in
Speaker 8: ninety five and how that may have contributed to his return.
Speaker 3: Vince didn't care about the stabbing.
Speaker 7: No, well, we don't know what happened over that's another company,
Speaker 7: you know, because how about what the fuck? All I
Speaker 7: know is Arn Anderson didn't instigate it.
Speaker 2: He didn't instigate it.
Speaker 7: In the bar, he told Sid to shut the fuck
Speaker 7: up after Arne had had a few cocktails, and he's
Speaker 7: done that to a lot of people and made him
Speaker 7: look like an idiot, because Arn verbally can do that.
Speaker 7: But Arne was in his room when Sid went knocking
Speaker 7: on the door to continue it, and Sid went with
Speaker 7: the fucking chair leg so that to me puts him
Speaker 7: in the wrong. They were Arn scissors, but Arn grabbed
Speaker 7: him as a defensive mechanism and got stabbed. Said first,
Speaker 7: for Sid took him away because he had had the
Speaker 7: drop on Arn. When Arn opened the door, and he
Speaker 7: came around from the side with chair leg So fuck Sid.
Speaker 7: Be quite honest, I'm sure it was roid rage because
Speaker 7: he's been I can't imagine he's still alive with the
Speaker 7: amount of chemicals he's pumped in his body. He should
Speaker 7: have blown up long before now. I've never been able
Speaker 7: to say anthing bad about him personally otherwise, and he
Speaker 7: was a rotten wrestler. But fuck him for doing that
Speaker 7: to arn just because Arne told him in front of
Speaker 7: the boys what all the boys thought of him, because
Speaker 7: he was running his mouth about how great he wasn't.
Speaker 8: Obviously that from an episode of Cornett's podcast prior to
Speaker 8: Sid's passing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not aware, you know, listen, this is
Speaker 3: all hearsay.
Speaker 8: I love that little snippet. Oh it's another company powe.
Speaker 3: I mean right, we don't know.
Speaker 8: I was Evin. Can I just can I just ask
Speaker 8: before we hire Sid again? You you understand what presaged
Speaker 8: his departure from WCW. You understand that he stabbed Arn't
Speaker 8: Anderson early to death.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I'm not aware. I'm not privileged
Speaker 3: to what happened. We are not listen, I wasn't there
Speaker 3: you weren't there. It's a different organization.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 3: They have their own business, their own their own rules
Speaker 3: about things. All I know is that is that there
Speaker 3: was a report of an incident. I don't know who
Speaker 3: was involved. I don't know what was involved. You know,
Speaker 3: there's hearsay that Sid may have you know, gone after
Speaker 3: arn Anderson. I don't know, and I've made no effort.
Speaker 3: I've made no effort to find out before hiring him again.
Speaker 3: Whether you know I'm I'm definitely somebody who has I
Speaker 3: have enough issues on my own business.
Speaker 8: Well then to understand your business. I understand you're busy,
Speaker 8: but you know, as someone who kind of is responsible
Speaker 8: for due diligence on new hires, here, can I can
Speaker 8: I look into it for you?
Speaker 3: And hold on, hold on. I want to just just
Speaker 3: say something right here. I am not responsible for what
Speaker 3: other people do outside of my company. I am not
Speaker 3: responsible for what people do in another company that is
Speaker 3: not my business. Are you holding me accountable for what
Speaker 3: Sid did?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 3: No, I think in WW no, But I think if
Speaker 3: you hire him saying that I stabbed an R Anderson,
Speaker 3: are you I'm not saying that I happened to be
Speaker 3: there at the same hotel, sir, But I am suggesting
Speaker 3: that if we hire him, Sar Anderson. Fifteen times, are
Speaker 3: you saying that I did that.
Speaker 8: I am suggesting that if we hire him, we may
Speaker 8: share in a little bit of the culpability of what
Speaker 8: may happen next. Yes, I am if he comes here
Speaker 8: and I was not there. But if he comes here
Speaker 8: and pulls something similar, you can't.
Speaker 3: Actually, I do not tell Sid to kill arn Anderson.
Speaker 3: You did not. I did not.
Speaker 8: Why would you say that as if anybody was waiting
Speaker 8: for you to stipulate an answer, Because I want to.
Speaker 3: Let you know that I am not accountable for other
Speaker 3: men's actions. I did not conspire with Sid to attack
Speaker 3: ar Anderson. I did not say Sid, take the scissors
Speaker 3: and stab that son of a bitch.
Speaker 8: You did not say that.
Speaker 3: I did not. I did not say that, And I
Speaker 3: can tell you right now I was not in England.
Speaker 3: I have an alibi for that.
Speaker 8: Well, that was a weird thing to add there. Okay,
Speaker 8: not not being in England is an off, even though
Speaker 8: I don't think anybody would even accuse you of having
Speaker 8: been a letting you know that these are the facts, Okay,
Speaker 8: very good.
Speaker 3: I want to. I want to. I don't want to
Speaker 3: get any I don't want to be confused, all right,
Speaker 3: I don't want it there to be any.
Speaker 8: You know, I remember you were, you were, you were
Speaker 8: you were missing an action, and then you said it
Speaker 8: was because you knew the indictment was coming down the
Speaker 8: next month. But you were missing an action that last
Speaker 8: month of October.
Speaker 3: I don't remember you not.
Speaker 11: I was not.
Speaker 3: I was certainly the office and in other areas of
Speaker 3: the company. Well, yeah, you taught, Yeah, you told England
Speaker 3: you were not in England. No, I was not. I
Speaker 3: definitely Listen. You want to check my travel records, you can.
Speaker 3: You know there there is no evidence that I purchased
Speaker 3: a ticket to England in that time period.
Speaker 8: Well, no evidence of you purchasing a ticket is not
Speaker 8: the same as you not being in England. I just
Speaker 8: want to be clear.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't buy a ticket to go to England,
Speaker 3: so how can I be there? Did I swim? Is
Speaker 3: that where you're suggesting that I swam to England? I
Speaker 3: was not there. I couldn't from England because I wasn't
Speaker 3: in England.
Speaker 8: How do you feel about arn Anderson in general?
Speaker 3: I think arn Anderson is a very uh is a
Speaker 3: is a proficient entertainer who has at a very lengthy
Speaker 3: career in this in the in this business. Who has
Speaker 3: you know, who has had the privilege of of gracing
Speaker 3: the squared circles of both other venues and the w
Speaker 3: W E. And you know I, I simply have no
Speaker 3: opinion of him whatsoever.
Speaker 8: Arn Anderson, once dubbed by w W hansho a proficient entertainer,
Speaker 8: died Wednesday. I am not responsible for sid stabbing someone
Speaker 8: in another company, Okay, And you're going to hire him again?
Speaker 8: And if he does something like that here, what are
Speaker 8: we supposed to tell ourselves?
Speaker 3: Well, depends on where he does it. Where he does
Speaker 3: it on premises of the of w W.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, let's say his own home. Does he stab
Speaker 8: I'm not suggesting, you know what I'm saying. If he
Speaker 8: does it on the road for us, like he did
Speaker 8: it on the road for them.
Speaker 3: Again, it depends where does he do it. What what's
Speaker 3: the constitution of him stabbing it?
Speaker 8: And if he stabs one of our wrestlers in a
Speaker 8: hotel room fight.
Speaker 3: That depends.
Speaker 8: How does it depend?
Speaker 3: It depends on on was it a personal matter? Was
Speaker 3: it a professional manner where you know, I I have
Speaker 3: a very.
Speaker 8: Guess it depends whether he's penciled in for the next pause.
Speaker 3: You have a very specific jurisdiction.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I'm going to resign over I think
Speaker 8: I'm going to resign. I mean this is you can't resign.
Speaker 8: Excuse me.
Speaker 3: You're in a contract. And if you if you see,
Speaker 3: if you look at your contract, which I'm I guess
Speaker 3: you did not even.
Speaker 8: Though you're legal what even though you're in the legal department, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, given see you know, and it's kind of a
Speaker 3: pathetic thing. You are in the legal department, and you
Speaker 3: didn't look at over your own contract because it specifically
Speaker 3: says and I know it's is it because I added
Speaker 3: it myself. You cannot resign unless I give you permission
Speaker 3: to and I don't.
Speaker 8: But now that I know that's on your mind, pal,
Speaker 8: I have just the assignment for you.
Speaker 3: Why don't you? I want so because you're now aware
Speaker 3: of this, of this clause in the contract, and you're
Speaker 3: aware of your lack of intelligence. What I would like
Speaker 3: you to do is I want you to travel with
Speaker 3: Sid to a a kitchen supply store and have him,
Speaker 3: uh you know, have him pick out knives to what end, Vince,
Speaker 3: to the end, Well, the sharp end going inside your physique.
Speaker 8: That's you would say it. Pal, look at me, I
Speaker 8: want you to buy the knives Sid will stab you
Speaker 8: with Pal.
Speaker 3: You're gonna pay them. You're gonna pay for them with
Speaker 3: your own money. You will not get refunded. This is
Speaker 3: not a petty cash situation. But what is petty is me.
Speaker 3: I'm petty and I have no problem encouraging, insisting, and
Speaker 3: ordering Sid to stab the shit out of you.
Speaker 8: There it is, Well, there's that's what the FBI has
Speaker 8: been waiting for in the van out back.
Speaker 3: Time to move in.
Speaker 8: Boys, we've got our evidence.
Speaker 11: All that.
Speaker 8: Vince McMahon would say, I've got no problem paying for
Speaker 8: the knives that Sid will use to stab the shit
Speaker 8: out of you. No wonder they thought they could get
Speaker 8: him on conspiracy exactly, No telling what he said on
Speaker 8: a wire that ended up being inadmissible, tremendous, tremendous stuff.
Speaker 8: So yeah, all that adds up to Sid coming back.
Speaker 8: If you ask me, and the question that Brian last
Speaker 8: asked there on a Cornett's podcast, did Vince care about
Speaker 8: the stabbing?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 8: No, I think we knew the answer before we even
Speaker 8: asked the question, and uh, it shall be done.
Speaker 22: All right, Who's it gonna be.
Speaker 3: Like this?
Speaker 22: And you mayn't be given the natural, god given ability
Speaker 22: that the Heartbreak Kid has got and not be the
Speaker 22: envy of every superstar in the World Wrestling Federation. I mean,
Speaker 22: I can beat any superstar in the World Wrestling Federation
Speaker 22: one on one, but even the Heartbreak Kid can't beat
Speaker 22: everybody in the World Wrestling Federation. I mean, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 22: I mean not all the same time, anyway. And it
Speaker 22: is for that reason that I have found it necessary
Speaker 22: to have a man to watch my back.
Speaker 23: The suspense continues to do is exactly what I have done.
Speaker 22: I have talked about it for weeks and tonight, folks,
Speaker 22: it's the night.
Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, the new bodyguard of the Heartbreak Kid.
Speaker 4: I'm big, how bad? All this is sick?
Speaker 11: What?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Said?
Speaker 4: Whoa un believable It is him.
Speaker 15: I can't believe it.
Speaker 4: I can't believe why.
Speaker 24: Don't know anythink he talks to anybody anything if I
Speaker 24: come to him.
Speaker 4: This guy is a side cone, he's a nice he's
Speaker 4: a logan chick.
Speaker 3: Nobody wants it around. Take a look at this.
Speaker 4: Monster, get him. Tell me it was gonna be here.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to be at ringside? What it show?
Speaker 4: Michaelst Gan, he's cracked up.
Speaker 22: I think.
Speaker 4: Keep this and seeing is believing.
Speaker 22: The eyes of every superstar and the World Wrestling Federation
Speaker 22: are popping out of their skulls.
Speaker 4: Tell him, big man, say at that.
Speaker 5: They the people.
Speaker 6: Around the world or asking the question Sean Michaels, why
Speaker 6: why take the chance on another bodyguard with lees? Oh
Speaker 6: turned his back on you when times got tough, Say
Speaker 6: I'll tell you why?
Speaker 5: Then he could trust me.
Speaker 4: We sit down, we had a talk and then the
Speaker 4: man relaxed like that that.
Speaker 6: One that sid you are a man that has no feelings,
Speaker 6: no remorse for any ve So the second of all,
Speaker 6: the most important, that I will be by his side
Speaker 6: at all times.
Speaker 13: Yes, in all times when the times are good, oh yeah,
Speaker 13: and when the times are bad.
Speaker 6: But my brothers to him is simple. There will be
Speaker 6: no bad times. And how can I sit here and
Speaker 6: I say this? We're a simple together the heartbreak in
Speaker 6: and myself we will.
Speaker 3: Rule the world. He's the why look at this?
Speaker 4: Because I am the man the cold ship.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you heard it. We'll be back, ladies, and gentlemen.
Speaker 4: We'll be back.
Speaker 3: Ladies. Were you watching? I didn't wait a minute. I
Speaker 3: don't remember.
Speaker 8: I feel like I was told. Yeah, me too, I
Speaker 8: feel like I was told.
Speaker 3: But I did. Also, you know, this was during the
Speaker 3: time I was.
Speaker 10: Uh, I was.
Speaker 3: Taping it every week. I couldn't stay up that late, right,
Speaker 3: you know I was. I couldn't stay up. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: usually went to better Around nine is when my parents
Speaker 3: would send me to bed.
Speaker 8: And this is a time. You know, the ratings tell
Speaker 8: the story. The attendant tells the story that a lot
Speaker 8: of fans who dialed in in the late eighties and
Speaker 8: early nineties like we did, lost a lot of interest. Yeah,
Speaker 8: we we kind of aged out for a little while.
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't.
Speaker 8: No, I'm not saying you did, but I'm saying you weren't,
Speaker 8: and you know, not following every single live minute.
Speaker 3: Well I did. The thing is I did. I definitely
Speaker 3: taped every single week because I know that I was
Speaker 3: watching all the time. I mean, by this point I
Speaker 3: knew that Rob was the only show to watch. I
Speaker 3: wasn't watching weekend television anymore, so I was. I mean,
Speaker 3: I was watching more than ever at this point. Nice,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's weird. But I was definitely watching more than.
Speaker 8: Ever because a lot weren't. I mean, the ratings were
Speaker 8: just pathetic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I was.
Speaker 13: I was.
Speaker 3: I was one who was watching all the goddamn time and.
Speaker 8: The house shows.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 8: Of course the blizzard was a factor, but in nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety five Live Attendants was a complete joke. The pay
Speaker 8: per views, especially the introduction in Your House a complete joke.
Speaker 8: And Sid's there for all of it. As we've talked about,
Speaker 8: that's part of the overlying thesis of you don't bring
Speaker 8: in SID to pop business. You bring in Sid.
Speaker 3: This business is so bad you need to Yep, you're
Speaker 3: desperate for something exactly. You're reaching hilarious that I guess
Speaker 3: you're desperate for Sid.
Speaker 8: There he is coming back despite all that's happened. And
Speaker 8: it's interesting couple of things. They have the music right away,
Speaker 8: the Psycho music. I think that's the first time we've
Speaker 8: ever heard that song on WWF television.
Speaker 3: For sure. That was not that was That was an original.
Speaker 8: A Jim Johnston song. Yep, yep, that's the February twentieth,
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety five edition of Raw. So that's just what
Speaker 8: three weeks after he loses the USWA title to Jerry
Speaker 8: Lawler in Memphis. Wow, and we've got him penciled in here.
Speaker 8: And so he walks to the ring of that music
Speaker 8: and the fact that that you know, you hear Cornett
Speaker 8: say psycho on commentary, but he's not called psycho Sid
Speaker 8: yet they say Sid. They say he's vicious, he's this,
Speaker 8: and that he's psycho. But I think the fact that
Speaker 8: they chose that music says all you need to know
Speaker 8: about how front and center. The fact he stabbed arn
Speaker 8: Anderson was in their mind. Yes, indeed, when they were
Speaker 8: thinking about the new presentation. So I don't blame Sid
Speaker 8: at all for coming to that conclusion. It struck me,
Speaker 8: as we go through the life and times of Sid,
Speaker 8: that this might be a time to quickly pause on Psycho.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's not something we've taken under the cinnemat yet.
Speaker 8: I'm sure whatever the time comes, if you consider it eligible,
Speaker 8: it's going to be a huge mountain to climb.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's it certainly is. It's it's a it's a
Speaker 3: it's a it's a game changer in so many ways.
Speaker 8: We are sitting here in scary movie season, and if
Speaker 8: nothing else, it may serve as an appetizer for a
Speaker 8: future scary movie season. If this, if this helps it qualify,
Speaker 8: I mean I guess it does.
Speaker 3: I guess it does. I mean yeah, I mean if
Speaker 3: they're if they really, I mean yeah. The music, for sure,
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it's funny. I've always wanted to
Speaker 3: figure out a way to get Psycho under Then it's
Speaker 3: right there in front of my face the whole.
Speaker 8: Time, because when what scene? What scene is it?
Speaker 3: For those that don't know, Oh, it's the shower scene,
Speaker 3: the shower scene. It's any it's really it's not just
Speaker 3: a shower scene. It's any killing scene that happens in
Speaker 3: the movie. And uh uh you know, whenever, whenever the
Speaker 3: knife comes out, it's uh, you know, the music, the
Speaker 3: violin starts shriekinging, hang Hanks, it's Bernard Herman at his
Speaker 3: absolute fucking mess.
Speaker 8: Who was Bernard Herman?
Speaker 3: Quickly, who wasn't her barn Herman was one of the
Speaker 3: greatest fucking film composers of all time, all time greats.
Speaker 3: He composed so many Hitchcock movies. He did Vertigo obviously,
Speaker 3: he did Psycho, he did north By Northwest, just some
Speaker 3: of the most incredible, uh you know, soundtracks and scores
Speaker 3: for films. He just he was brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 8: So that's that's his creation.
Speaker 3: That sound yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a Bernard
Speaker 3: Herman piece right there.
Speaker 8: So they throw it right in there at the top
Speaker 8: of his entrance music. And this is the new presentation
Speaker 8: right out of the gate.
Speaker 3: You heard it.
Speaker 8: It's not like they figured it out after he powered
Speaker 8: momb Sean five times he he was coming out to
Speaker 8: because I've heard Bruce say that that he doesn't remember it,
Speaker 8: and I think we'll a clip that says that he
Speaker 8: doesn't remember him being framed a psycho SID until after
Speaker 8: he turns on Sean, and of course that made him
Speaker 8: that much crazier. He kind of was portrayed as having snapped,
Speaker 8: but the music was ready to go before he ever
Speaker 8: turned on Sean. And that's all you need to know.
Speaker 8: As for alternative people who say they had everything to
Speaker 8: do with SID coming back, Kevin Nash is on the list.
Speaker 8: You want to think about Kevin Nash going back to
Speaker 8: WCW days when they shared cars together. As Kevin was
Speaker 8: breaking down as Oz and Sid was really hitting stride
Speaker 8: as a headliner and an early stage horseman, an early
Speaker 8: stage relative to his career.
Speaker 25: Oh yeah, fucking you know, yeah, Sid, you know, he's
Speaker 25: a fucking great guy. You know, go way back, workout barbers.
Speaker 25: I've never seen someone work out harder than Sid. You're
Speaker 25: not going to work.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. You know, guy try so hard
Speaker 3: with so little. And that's fucking said. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 3: gonna go out there. He's gonna say, you know, I
Speaker 3: am gonna fucking bench press eight hundred pounds and you're
Speaker 3: not gonna tell me shit about it, you know.
Speaker 8: And I know people go on and on about you know,
Speaker 8: he's greedy left and people holding the bag. And you
Speaker 8: know what I say that, I said, look, how many
Speaker 8: cans of Vienna sausages have you put together for your church?
Speaker 22: You know?
Speaker 3: The thing about Sid is, you know, people don't consider
Speaker 3: the fact that you know, he's he's you know, everyone
Speaker 3: talks about him holding up people for money. You know,
Speaker 3: he's he's uh, you know, he's trying to fucking grab
Speaker 3: every dime he can out of a out of a
Speaker 3: fucking uh, you know company. But you know, it's a
Speaker 3: fucking dog eat dog business, you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: what what do is sid do with that fucking money?
Speaker 3: He buys a bunch of fucking Vienna hot dogs, some
Speaker 3: Vienna sausages.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 3: It says, fucking I'm a dog and we need a dog.
Speaker 3: Give me my old fucking canned Vienna dog.
Speaker 10: He sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and
Speaker 10: I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't lie. I fucking one time I sent him,
Speaker 3: you know, I said, uh, you know, hey, yeah, I said,
Speaker 3: what do you need, bro?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 3: He said, you know, I kind of donate some fucking uh,
Speaker 3: you know, some fucking Viennas to my uh, to my church.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, dude, I'll take it. I'll bring it
Speaker 3: to you, you know. And I sent him down about
Speaker 3: a couple of cases worth, and he yeah. About maybe
Speaker 3: two weeks later, I'm on the road and he sends
Speaker 3: me a fucking uh autograph picture, says, hey, keV, this
Speaker 3: is for you, Bud. I said, all right, guess I'll
Speaker 3: put this next to my fucking uh, you know, my
Speaker 3: original monet, my fucking wall and Kevin.
Speaker 8: You would have been really impressed by the off Broadway
Speaker 8: show said was invited to star in uh Shakespearean influence.
Speaker 8: You know what it was called?
Speaker 11: What was that?
Speaker 8: The Merchant of Viennas.
Speaker 10: He sent my church at Casey, Vienna sausages and I
Speaker 10: sent him an autograph picture. He sent my church at
Speaker 10: Casey Na sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 10: He sent my church all right, sorryages, and I sent
Speaker 10: him an autograph picture.
Speaker 8: There's Kevin Nash on this podcast talking about who really
Speaker 8: suggested bringing in Sid in ninety five to the w W.
Speaker 26: We had good? I begged, we had really good. I
Speaker 26: begged Sean Beggs if we begged to get him back,
Speaker 26: you know, to get him back in?
Speaker 3: And what what were you met with? He put it
Speaker 3: on us.
Speaker 26: He said, you fucking get you know, I don't think
Speaker 26: you guys need it, but if you think so, then
Speaker 26: you know, Sean, then bring you know, bring him in.
Speaker 10: We'll bring him in.
Speaker 11: H So.
Speaker 3: He also was another fucking Shakespeare you know, he did
Speaker 3: two Gentlemen of Vienna's. Yeah. I said, fuck it, you know,
Speaker 3: I said, hey, you know he's he's got a fucking
Speaker 3: he's ready. You know, you get on stage right now,
Speaker 3: take care of business fucking fuck it. It's on you.
Speaker 8: Hey, we're bringing Sid. Oh h hope, Ellen's on you.
Speaker 8: You're responsible for him.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean all right, you know ship, Well, we'll
Speaker 3: take care of Sid.
Speaker 8: See what happens, and then they do the meeting. We
Speaker 8: always talk about where they have the fake meeting after
Speaker 8: to convince Bruce that he had to roll the decision. Right,
Speaker 8: Oh my god, you know the dye is already carried.
Speaker 3: All right, listen, everybody, we're gonna tell you what we got.
Speaker 3: We got said, we'll take care of it.
Speaker 8: Good job, Kevin, keV Dots sit in. Kevin thinks he's
Speaker 8: gonna work with him.
Speaker 3: I need everybody, all right, I need everybody to come
Speaker 3: in and just stay here, all right. I need to
Speaker 3: tell you what. I need everyone to leave, all right,
Speaker 3: come back in about fifteen minutes, because that's when that's
Speaker 3: when Bruce will be here. And what we're gonna do
Speaker 3: is we're just gonna we're gonna we're gonna just shut
Speaker 3: up and let him come up with the idea.
Speaker 8: Just have a brainstorming session. Yeah, we'll have a brainstorming
Speaker 8: session about what Sean needs to feel like more of
Speaker 8: a threat to Deesel.
Speaker 3: What's going to get him over in a battle against Diesel?
Speaker 3: And everyone come up with ideas and if he if
Speaker 3: he doesn't chime in right away with something, uh, someone
Speaker 3: just say hey, you know what if we got him
Speaker 3: a new bodyguard and then let him go from there
Speaker 3: because he's I just listen. I know I do this
Speaker 3: a lot. I know that it's a pain in the ass,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you doing this for me. I'm going
Speaker 3: to tell you right now it makes everybody's life a
Speaker 3: hell of a lot easier.
Speaker 8: Well, then, just quickly, I mean, what have you done
Speaker 8: before this meeting to assure that if someone brings up
Speaker 8: bodyguard that he will say Sid?
Speaker 3: Well, So what I did was I actually I sat
Speaker 3: down and I told him what I know. I told
Speaker 3: him about my first hand account of watching Sid stop
Speaker 3: stab er ar Anderson.
Speaker 8: Excuse me, first hand account?
Speaker 3: I what did I know?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, you said first hand account right.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. The story was fast enough I could
Speaker 3: counted on one hand.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, you know you're one of the great
Speaker 8: cat burglars in the world.
Speaker 3: Marv.
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Speaker 8: This guy now wonder. He thinks people stepping in shit
Speaker 8: is so funny. He does it four times a day.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, that was good. That's a great callback.
Speaker 10: He sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and
Speaker 10: I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 8: For playing callbacks. So Sean takes to his book and
Speaker 8: talks about this.
Speaker 3: Picture. Oh what a deal. Okay, I guess that wordth
Speaker 3: one hundred thie fucking tartans of Vienna.
Speaker 8: Sausages in jeff Town, hounding his grandma to send Vienna's
Speaker 8: to the church so he can get so he can
Speaker 8: get an autograph date bite ten in the mail. Oh god,
Speaker 8: so I hear Sean and his book talking about this
Speaker 8: fascinating time period that leads the return of Sid. Despite
Speaker 8: our good show with the Rumble, Vince had two big
Speaker 8: warriors going in to WrestleMania eleven. The first with was
Speaker 8: whether our fans would buy the possibility of me beating
Speaker 8: a guy as big as Kevin, and the second was
Speaker 8: the overall health of the company. To alleviate his first worry,
Speaker 8: he decided to bring in psycho Sid as my bodyguard.
Speaker 3: So there it is.
Speaker 8: That's not that's not Kevin suggesting it, that's not Bruce
Speaker 8: suggesting it. That's Vince coming up with it. Sid was
Speaker 8: very big, six ' eight over n three hundred pounds
Speaker 8: and very intimidating. You get a different character than Kevin.
Speaker 8: He wasn't funny and loose and always wore a scowl
Speaker 8: when the cameras were on, and Sid looked like a
Speaker 8: real tough guy. You knew Kevin was tough, but that
Speaker 8: wasn't the first thing you noticed about him. He would
Speaker 8: sort of lully you in a sense of comfort and
Speaker 8: then beat you up. This was more than just a
Speaker 8: subtle little difference between the two, and Sid's edge gave
Speaker 8: me the equalizer that Vince was looking for. With Sid
Speaker 8: by my side, Kevin's title was in real jeopardy. Sid,
Speaker 8: for his part, was very into playing my bodyguard. See.
Speaker 8: I never saw Sid as someone that was going to
Speaker 8: cheat to help Sean win the belt, or someone that
Speaker 8: was even going to necessarily attack Kevin. I just thought
Speaker 8: of him as someone that would like bou Shan's confidence
Speaker 8: almost like right, Like Sean knows he can beat Diesel,
Speaker 8: but if he has Sid by his side, then everybody
Speaker 8: else knows they can't fuck with Sean.
Speaker 3: Like right, right, right? I mean that's the thing, Like
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to help him cheat, but
Speaker 3: like if someone comes to mess with Sean, he's gonna
Speaker 3: kick their ass.
Speaker 8: Right exactly because he needs to keep himself out of
Speaker 8: the fires. He knows he's going to start so that
Speaker 8: he can be at his best against Diesel for the
Speaker 8: title of WrestleMania. I never thought of Sid as some
Speaker 8: of those going to attack and it Nash and he
Speaker 8: doesn't really, that's the thing. He doesn't really go after him, right,
Speaker 8: So like he powered moms him three times on the
Speaker 8: Rock before WrestleMania, you know, or anything like that. The
Speaker 8: next day, Sean writes, we had a television taping in Poughkeepsie.
Speaker 8: When I arrived at the building, Vince told me he
Speaker 8: wanted to talk Sean. We were going to switch you, babyface.
Speaker 8: What it's because of the kickout, isn't it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: I skipped ahead a bit.
Speaker 3: Well I didn't. I didn't. Are you upset with that?
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to upset you what kind of you
Speaker 3: don't have to know, you don't have to if you
Speaker 3: don't want to, don't be babyfaced.
Speaker 8: Whatever you need oh, I mean ar Wrestling Federation. I
Speaker 8: kind of want to do whatever you think is best
Speaker 8: Jack for the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 3: What can I do? What can I do? Please?
Speaker 8: I have news for you. What you gotta do? Whatever
Speaker 8: you want by the heart break yead and we'll Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 3: What can I do for the heart break? Good?
Speaker 8: You can say it like that.
Speaker 3: You can.
Speaker 8: Please tell me I need you Well, I'll tell you what, Vince.
Speaker 8: Here's what I can do. I can get you an
Speaker 8: autograph picture of Sid if you do the following.
Speaker 10: Shid my church at Casey Beanna Sausages And I sent
Speaker 10: him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: Done. I need an autogo picture of Sid.
Speaker 8: He needs it because that's what Sean offered when he
Speaker 8: asked him what can I do? How funny is that?
Speaker 8: And he pretends he needs a picture of Sid.
Speaker 3: Whatever I need I need from Sean Sean? Hold on ready, whatever.
Speaker 8: I need I need from Sean Sean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, John John John Sean.
Speaker 8: Did you hang up? Did we lose did we lose
Speaker 8: the connection?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 3: He and I are connected.
Speaker 8: We will never lose the connection.
Speaker 3: The Souls Souls of Connectivity, the.
Speaker 8: Tag team of Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon, collectively known
Speaker 8: as Souls of Connectivity Connectivity.
Speaker 3: You can see it.
Speaker 8: Whip up the shirt, Souls of Connectivity, I mean the
Speaker 8: beating heart, Vince's furrowed brow, every rights itself. We're gonna
Speaker 8: switch your baby face. It's because of the kickout, isn't
Speaker 8: it now? I skipped ahead in the book and the
Speaker 8: book he talks about how in the body of the
Speaker 8: WrestleMania eleven match with Kevin Nash, there's a spot they
Speaker 8: call where Sean kicks out of no Diesel kicks out
Speaker 8: of the belloted beat the two drops supplex and everybody
Speaker 8: thought that that was going to be Sean winning the
Speaker 8: belt and by doing yeah something like that, there's a
Speaker 8: spot in the match. There's a spot on the match
Speaker 8: where Diesel kicks out, and like they should have known
Speaker 8: that what that would do was piss the crowd off
Speaker 8: that Sean didn't win the belt. Instead of thinking they
Speaker 8: would think Diesel was a superhero for kicking out, because
Speaker 8: if they were reading the crowd right, they would know
Speaker 8: that there wouldn't be the desired effect if they called
Speaker 8: that spot, but they did it anyway, further compounding this
Speaker 8: feeling from the crowd that, oh my god, like, now
Speaker 8: you know, we want him to win the belt, and
Speaker 8: you're gonna tease us with him winning the belt and
Speaker 8: expect us to then turn around and be excited when
Speaker 8: Diesel ultimately wins. It's one thing is not Diesel just
Speaker 8: runs him over.
Speaker 3: You know, how can you not be excited? I'm excited?
Speaker 3: How much merch diesel Mania? Hello, obviously, huh.
Speaker 8: He goes, So you're not excited. I'm excited. He goes
Speaker 8: diesel Mania. Like, do I have to say it? Do
Speaker 8: I really have to say it out loud?
Speaker 3: I mean, can't what this is? What I don't understand.
Speaker 3: This is excitement personified diesel maniacs. Oh.
Speaker 8: I can see him in every corner of the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm winning right now in my pants.
Speaker 8: I'm winning right now. All these kids with the black
Speaker 8: leather love on. You know, we're talking hip, We're talking
Speaker 8: merch pal We're talking licensing, adjacencies.
Speaker 3: Merch hip, merch right right, that's what we do. We hip.
Speaker 8: Would the fanny pack be hip? Merch.
Speaker 3: I think it would be. I think we can also
Speaker 3: hide merch in the fannie pack.
Speaker 8: Remember the fanny pack that looked like the WWF title.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a fucking lame. I can't believe fanny packs
Speaker 3: are back right now. It nauseates me.
Speaker 8: Well, they're back because it didn't used to be better.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 8: They just the kids keep proving that we didn't live
Speaker 8: in any kind of golden age by trying desperately to
Speaker 8: dress up like we did. I mean, I guess bell
Speaker 8: bottoms came back for twenty four hours when we were kids,
Speaker 8: but for the most part were kids desperately trying to
Speaker 8: dress like the seventies.
Speaker 15: No, the.
Speaker 3: Right, the opposite, Yeah, very interesting, But I mean the
Speaker 3: bell bottoms. I mean actually that Yeah, that was like yeah,
Speaker 3: and that was like two years and.
Speaker 8: It was jeans in the shape of bell bottoms. It
Speaker 8: wasn't slacks, right right, Okay? And he says, you know
Speaker 8: that that kickout was a bad call on my part.
Speaker 3: I admit it.
Speaker 8: Why is it affecting me? I'm the only heel that
Speaker 8: you have. They like you, the people like you. Sean
Speaker 8: Vince said, yeah, you saw that right in the high
Speaker 8: gear tour.
Speaker 3: I did, I did.
Speaker 8: They like me, but they like to hate me. Now
Speaker 8: is not the time you make the mistake and it
Speaker 8: costs me in my career. I was not happy. We're
Speaker 8: going to have Sid drop you injure you tonight and
Speaker 8: you'll go home for six weeks. And so it was
Speaker 8: boss the April third, nineteen ninety five edition of Monday
Speaker 8: Night Raw, the following takes place, Big.
Speaker 22: Daddy, I'll return the favorite, all right, But what about uh?
Speaker 4: What about Sid?
Speaker 16: The comments made by Diesel.
Speaker 22: Look, Look, as far as Sid is concerned, I can
Speaker 22: live my life just fine without a bodyguard.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I got here because of the heartbreak.
Speaker 5: Kid.
Speaker 22: Quite honestly, I don't need a bodyguard, and I certainly
Speaker 22: don't need a bodyguard to cause the referee to turn.
Speaker 3: His ankle and cost me the.
Speaker 22: World Wrestling Federation Championship soon. As far as the rematch
Speaker 22: is concerned, Big Sid, I'm gonna do your favorite, big
Speaker 22: man in this rematch. I'm giving you the night off.
Speaker 22: Let they tell you something. He's stupid, little kid.
Speaker 5: As we stand here, there's days I've gone by.
Speaker 18: I get the feeling you wouldn't believe these days that
Speaker 18: you're saying.
Speaker 23: Wait a minute, we're gonna have to take a break.
Speaker 5: I know, I just cruel off.
Speaker 3: I'm on the place.
Speaker 5: No, you wouldn't believe these days. Never gonna tell you
Speaker 5: something boring. You don't give me, then I have.
Speaker 4: Donkid me nothing but respect.
Speaker 3: Probably got to thank a right, just thinking, did they
Speaker 3: really go for a break? Totally?
Speaker 4: God, turn it right, you won't.
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
Speaker 4: I know this guy was gonna flip further lighter his life.
Speaker 3: Shuden.
Speaker 4: I goes out, what's going on ahead, huh son snuff.
Speaker 8: They go off the air. They're alive, and they totally
Speaker 8: miss timed o. People will forget that that the first
Speaker 8: airing of this. Uh, they go to break and when
Speaker 8: they come back, he's already power bombed. We don't see
Speaker 8: the power bomb until the next week on Raw when
Speaker 8: they replay it.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 8: And and here's what it sounded like the next week
Speaker 8: when they were able to play the whole thing.
Speaker 22: All right.
Speaker 16: Now, here's what you didn't see, ladies and gentlemen. Now
Speaker 16: Sean was hurting and he had had enough of said
Speaker 16: look look at him, get right in the sid's face.
Speaker 16: Look at Sid, backing up from Seawn Michael's walk.
Speaker 5: I've been beat up.
Speaker 22: Why bigger and better people than you, but nobody has
Speaker 22: been on to keep me down. You want some listening ball,
Speaker 22: you can't have it out of the help, I'm sure king,
Speaker 22: I don't nature craft.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, now comes the act of cowardice. Watch this
Speaker 4: sit next Here that Shawn's backing turned to blood.
Speaker 23: From behind, this big, bad, tough monster, said, attacking Sean
Speaker 23: Michaels from behind.
Speaker 4: Michaels, who had added question in.
Speaker 23: The toughest match of his career the night before against Big.
Speaker 4: Danny Cool Diesels.
Speaker 23: And look the powerful he went up so high he
Speaker 23: went all the way over, landing on him, hipping his shoulder.
Speaker 4: That wasn't enough, No, no, Sid was out to teach
Speaker 4: Sean Michaels a.
Speaker 16: Lesson, a lesson that Michael would never forget.
Speaker 3: Sid.
Speaker 23: But yet, powerbomb after power bomb after powerbomb, Sid continued
Speaker 23: to relish in attempting to destroy the man who brought
Speaker 23: him back to the World Rustling Federation.
Speaker 4: This was gratitude for you.
Speaker 23: Unquestionably, Sid living up to his moniker known as Psycho Sid.
Speaker 23: SID was completely out of control and yet another powerbomb.
Speaker 5: Yeah, had to wonder just how.
Speaker 23: Many power bombs pro lunch damage would Sid have done
Speaker 23: to Sean Michael's back.
Speaker 4: It was obvious that was the area that Sid wanted
Speaker 4: to attack.
Speaker 23: Michaels had made reference to it earlier in the interview
Speaker 23: and look at Sid with an insult of his boot.
Speaker 23: Now on the backup Sean Michaels be rating him verbally
Speaker 23: and till, ladies and gentlemen, but ww champion Diezel Hurrah
Speaker 23: going this sin and all of a sudden, thing bad
Speaker 23: Sid turned into a coward looking h room and Diesel
Speaker 23: asking for help to come in and meanwhile keeping his
Speaker 23: distance from the ring.
Speaker 4: This psycho, the Sid.
Speaker 23: And the look of concern on Diesel's face told the
Speaker 23: entire story. Yes it didn't Ben Shawn Michaels of every
Speaker 23: night before he had faced Diesel for the WWF title,
Speaker 23: went all that aside.
Speaker 4: It came down to.
Speaker 16: Diesel keeping this godless lunatic, this loose cannon away from
Speaker 16: doing yet more damage to Seawn Michaels. And then we
Speaker 16: see Michaels finally placed on the structure.
Speaker 3: In this case, the.
Speaker 16: Friendship between Diesel and Shawn Michaels meaning a great deal
Speaker 16: more than the WWF championship. Michael's had the wonder of
Speaker 16: this juncture, whether or not his career was over. Diesel
Speaker 16: had to wonder whether or not his path whatever cross
Speaker 16: that of psycho shit.
Speaker 8: Sounds like the seeds are planted for his first program.
Speaker 3: Just a couple couple of seeds there.
Speaker 8: So if you're worried that Diesel's not over is the
Speaker 8: face and that Shawn's eclipsing him as the face, what
Speaker 8: do you do? You have Diesel save Sean from a beatdown.
Speaker 3: Well, there we go exactly and now they are, they're friends,
Speaker 3: and they're better than before.
Speaker 8: So anybody inclined to cheer Sean over Diesel, we'll have
Speaker 8: to cheer Diesel because he saved their man.
Speaker 3: You see, I fixed it, Yes he did. I fixed everything. Indeed,
Speaker 3: he did him the hero.
Speaker 8: So chure me you don't recall that hiccup where on
Speaker 8: night one they had to go to a break in
Speaker 8: the middle of it.
Speaker 3: I can tell you I do know that I missed
Speaker 3: that show.
Speaker 8: I do remember. I do remember the sudden rush of
Speaker 8: Sean's out in like the mystery and feeling like they
Speaker 8: played it that way on purpose. But I really don't
Speaker 8: think they did that way. But they were in a rush.
Speaker 8: It looked like to me because you can hear like
Speaker 8: Vince is telling him we need to go to a break.
Speaker 8: You can hear Cornett saying it over the airwaves, bracing
Speaker 8: the audience for it. It didn't seem like it was
Speaker 8: something a welcome in position, and so you can't even
Speaker 8: hear in that an original clip Whereean introduced Sid on
Speaker 8: the comeback, where Vince is like, oh, the suspense is building,
Speaker 8: almost like, come on, Pally, make the fucking announcement.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: It's taking a while. Sid one of the money quotes
Speaker 8: there in that interview before he attacked Sean, you don't
Speaker 8: give me the night off, so sit trust me, Sid
Speaker 8: will take the night off, but you will not give
Speaker 8: it to him.
Speaker 3: You will give me the night off. I take the
Speaker 3: night off. I give you the night off, ik for
Speaker 3: you the night.
Speaker 8: I give you the night off of being my boss
Speaker 8: because I'm not going to be here to fuck you right.
Speaker 3: Eat my god, what.
Speaker 4: Excuse me?
Speaker 2: People say that.
Speaker 3: You're just.
Speaker 8: I mean, when do you guys feel like in your
Speaker 8: Sid tribute that it just reached like a point where
Speaker 8: it was just like delirium. I think it was when
Speaker 8: JP had Sid say, in a fit of rage after
Speaker 8: being told he doesn't get the night off, he takes
Speaker 8: it eat my cunt. I thought that was when we
Speaker 8: lost all control.
Speaker 3: That's exactly it.
Speaker 8: And the key ones on the replane that you don't
Speaker 8: get on the first airring is Sid doesn't just brutally
Speaker 8: attack Sean. He cheap shots Sean, and there's dialogue where
Speaker 8: Sid backs off and Sean has a much more forceful like,
Speaker 8: you know, I'm cranky, I'm sure, I'm tired, I'm hurt.
Speaker 8: I don't need this right now. Sid backs off, Sean
Speaker 8: turns around, he cold cox him. But on the first airing,
Speaker 8: it looks like Sid, like Vince said, just fucking attacked him,
Speaker 8: you know, because he's because he's telling him he doesn't
Speaker 8: need him anymore. So that was a that was a
Speaker 8: key subtletye to miss, which makes me think that they
Speaker 8: definitely didn't intend on it playing out the way it
Speaker 8: did on week one, but there it is. That's the
Speaker 8: that's the heel turn that sends Sean away for a while,
Speaker 8: and that sets up one of the key programs for
Speaker 8: WBF in nineteen ninety five, Diesel versus SID for the
Speaker 8: championship and as we mentioned and headlines the very first
Speaker 8: in your house because they introduced the concept in May
Speaker 8: of nineteen ninety five. Of these two houses, it's shut us. Yes,
Speaker 8: the concept of this cut rate two hour pay per view,
Speaker 8: and we've covered them in the archives. The matches, let's do.
Speaker 3: I'll you what we'll do. We'll do a cut rate,
Speaker 3: shortened pay per view and we'll do a for those.
Speaker 3: For that first one, we'll do a cut right match.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 8: The matches, Boss, are not good. I think Suffice not good.
Speaker 3: This is not uh.
Speaker 8: This does not make one bullish on Sid's prospects upon
Speaker 8: return of WWF. When he has to match wits and
Speaker 8: styles with Kevin Nash and he's kind of tough, it's awful.
Speaker 8: Well what was awful about it? I feel like I
Speaker 8: have I have an idea, but I want to hear
Speaker 8: what you say. I mean it just you know, it's
Speaker 8: one of those matchups that it looks great on paper.
Speaker 8: It looks great on paper, it makes sense, but the
Speaker 8: excitement just does not materialize come near.
Speaker 3: Not to forget about having a good match, you know,
Speaker 3: like In my mind, I wanted them to just have
Speaker 3: just you know, whenever whenever there was a there was
Speaker 3: a time when I was younger where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I need this to be you know, I even though
Speaker 3: I longed for Hull Cogan, I also needed to kind
Speaker 3: of have a new, a newer like show that could
Speaker 3: be like a hul Cogan type show, you know, like
Speaker 3: I wanted in a weird way, I wanted Sid and
Speaker 3: uh Diesel to be a modern version of Hogan Andre.
Speaker 3: So I could watch a current show but have the
Speaker 3: same feeling yep as watching an older show, you know.
Speaker 3: So I could have the newer uh everything. And I
Speaker 3: always longed for that, Like I always wanted to have
Speaker 3: a match that could resemble something from earlier but not
Speaker 3: but not be that that old show.
Speaker 8: It's the first vestiges you get as a wrestling fan
Speaker 8: of what keeps you hooked the rest of your life.
Speaker 8: This like this, like that's what I'm looking for. That's
Speaker 8: the feeling I'll plug into. Yeah, that's what got me hooked,
Speaker 8: And you just spend the rest of your fucking life
Speaker 8: trying to get that back in a sustainable way. You know,
Speaker 8: You'll get bits and pieces. You'll get teases to keep
Speaker 8: you around, of course, but yeah, I mean once Diesel
Speaker 8: and Sid get in the ring, you're like, wait a minute, No,
Speaker 8: this is not as this does not feel anywhere near
Speaker 8: as epicas as I led myself to believe.
Speaker 3: It is not good.
Speaker 8: And we've heard, you know, Kevin Nash speak on Sid's return.
Speaker 8: We've heard Vince on Commentaries speak on Sid's return. We've
Speaker 8: we've heard Shawn Michaels and Bruce Pritchard speak about sids return.
Speaker 8: How about Sid himself, Oh boy, this is how he
Speaker 8: remembers finding his way back into the More Wrestling Federation,
Speaker 8: as we just heard on the podcast interview he did
Speaker 8: with Sean Mooney.
Speaker 10: No one. I'd left Vince on bad terms, but I
Speaker 10: still believed in myself enough that Vince needed someone like
Speaker 10: me and he would, you.
Speaker 3: Know, use me now.
Speaker 10: Reluctantly he did. He called me in I was working
Speaker 10: for Memphis and he had me flying to the office
Speaker 10: here in Stanford. He told me exactly what he wanted
Speaker 10: me to do, and I told him exactly what I
Speaker 10: had to have to do it. And that's how we've
Speaker 10: come to terms, you know. So that's how I came
Speaker 10: back at Psycho said, of course we know the reason
Speaker 10: they called me Psycho sid righty are you laughing, Sean?
Speaker 3: Uh huh? Wow? Did you just laugh?
Speaker 12: Sean?
Speaker 3: No, I said, I love this story. Another story is.
Speaker 10: I didn't even know what Psycho said was about, and
Speaker 10: even the music, because again, Sean, I don't fucking care.
Speaker 10: So when I come back making Georgia and no shit,
Speaker 10: they didn't have maybe one hundred people in the audience
Speaker 10: at night WWF, and I was thinking, what the fuck
Speaker 10: is going on here? You know, now realize why they
Speaker 10: were willing to bring me back. They were on their
Speaker 10: fucking ass big time. And then again, people didn't get
Speaker 10: paid for a month at a time. And that's where
Speaker 10: I said, Okay, I got this job. I'll make the
Speaker 10: best of it. I think I made about little was
Speaker 10: three hundred grand that year, not great, but enough to
Speaker 10: you know, pay the bills.
Speaker 3: So is the hall not great? I mean three grand
Speaker 3: for working from fucking what March until November, not.
Speaker 8: Even wrestling in the ring. At wrestling me right right,
Speaker 8: I'm probably getting a paycheck commensurate with Sean's and Diesels,
Speaker 8: if not exactly the same. But all he thinks about is.
Speaker 8: I had someone tell me I could make five hundred
Speaker 8: thousand in WCW before I left, and I told myself
Speaker 8: that's what I was worth. So three hundred and fifty
Speaker 8: thousand is a pay cut, So you know how that goes. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but you know he's smart. He knows Vince is going
Speaker 8: to have to come back to him, and he knows
Speaker 8: it's because he's fucking massive, and he knows how to
Speaker 8: stay massive, even in a regime that's pretending to test
Speaker 8: for steroids, or at least that is testing for steroids,
Speaker 8: but is negotiable that there's ways around it, apparently.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I know, I can tell for
Speaker 3: a fact that Sean Mooney had no fucking idea what
Speaker 3: that story was.
Speaker 8: Oh, he got terrified, is what happened. He didn't know
Speaker 8: if sid was actually mad at him for snickering when
Speaker 8: they said, you know why they called me psycho?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't know if that was said jumping into character.
Speaker 8: That'd be a little clever. You never hear him ever
Speaker 8: do that and shoot interviews like reverting to KFE. But
Speaker 8: in that moment, I was not sure what to make
Speaker 8: of that. Actually, I really wasn't. But still that's that's
Speaker 8: that's his recollection of things. And and of course, yes
Speaker 8: he feels underpaid by the end of it, you know
Speaker 8: that goes.
Speaker 3: But he felt underpaid by going on Sean Mooney's podcast.
Speaker 8: Well there's no telling what kind of deal they worked out.
Speaker 8: But but yeah, so Sid's back and that's that's his
Speaker 8: perspective on how and why. And here's some more from Bruce.
Speaker 8: This is Pritchard talking about the genesis of the name
Speaker 8: and the origins of the name and kind of trying
Speaker 8: to remember the chronology of when indeed they decided he
Speaker 8: would be the Psycho one.
Speaker 14: But allegedly upon his return here he tells Vince, I
Speaker 14: won't be called Psycho, said, I'll be said vicious, or
Speaker 14: I'll be said but not Psycho said. Now, of course
Speaker 14: we know we get there eventually. And when he makes
Speaker 14: a debut on February twentieth, Sean introduces him, ask Sid,
Speaker 14: was there ever discussion that you know of here in
Speaker 14: ninety five of calling him psycho?
Speaker 21: Said, see, I don't remember the psycho Sid came until
Speaker 21: after the stuff with Sean, after WrestleMania, when Sid attacked Sean.
Speaker 21: The idea Vince didn't like Sid Justice because he felt
Speaker 21: that Sid Justice was.
Speaker 3: A babyface name.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, so that's why we went with
Speaker 2: just Sid.
Speaker 21: And the idea behind him being in Shawn's corner was
Speaker 21: he was just bodyguard Sid.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 21: And the funny thing to me was throughout this whole
Speaker 21: relationship with Sean, it was an very interesting dynamic between
Speaker 21: Shawn and Sid because here you got this big monster
Speaker 21: Sid and I remember him like doing kind of fixing
Speaker 21: Sean's hair when Sean would get the coat on and
Speaker 21: fluff his hair out, and then he would help Sean
Speaker 21: tie his tie and put him all together. It was
Speaker 21: it just was interesting. Here's this big, nasty looking bastard
Speaker 21: taking care of of Sean. He really looked after him,
Speaker 21: which was it was kind of funny in and of itself,
Speaker 21: but they had I mean, they kind of clicked together.
Speaker 3: They really did. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 8: So the names on the table and you would think,
Speaker 8: you know, here's the thing, we can figure it out.
Speaker 8: We hear the song. We heard the entrance music when
Speaker 8: he came back back for the first time.
Speaker 3: Yes, on that raw.
Speaker 8: We know where that comes from. Sid as he's proud
Speaker 8: to say, is no dummy. He knows the connotations here,
Speaker 8: But does he What if Boss Sid never saw Psycho?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's what I would believe.
Speaker 8: It has no idea.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that was my name that.
Speaker 9: Night, you know this is you know, actually I was
Speaker 9: working for the Miss Territory, you know, trying to make
Speaker 9: a big secret out of it.
Speaker 3: He flew me in.
Speaker 9: We were up and doing a show with Zille every
Speaker 9: Wednesday night. We do from Louisville and Edsville from Wednesday.
Speaker 9: And during that day I flew into the office and
Speaker 9: we sit there and talked about coming in and doing
Speaker 9: some stuff.
Speaker 12: And then so they brought me back and asked me
Speaker 12: to do it, and I said, yeah, I'd.
Speaker 3: Like to come back.
Speaker 9: And so I think it's making Georgia's our first TV.
Speaker 17: And I actually walked to the ring and I don't
Speaker 17: even remember them said what they called me, and didn't
Speaker 17: remember the music and the lighting, if from understanding, was
Speaker 17: like the water in the shower from the girl getting stabbed.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. So when I come back to
Speaker 3: the dust room, I'm.
Speaker 9: The last one and I usually had the last one
Speaker 9: to know that I'm getting ribbed.
Speaker 3: And some of the guys. Who wasn't They go, you know,
Speaker 3: what just happened? And whatnother?
Speaker 9: They said, you just did the shower scene of the
Speaker 9: Psycho movie. I went, oh shit, So it was sort
Speaker 9: of I didn't pick up on it myself.
Speaker 8: I had no clue, imagine. I mean, also, they didn't
Speaker 8: you didn't do the shower scene.
Speaker 3: No, he didn't. You didn't do it.
Speaker 8: You didn't stab anybody?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, yeah, you didn't come out there and like
Speaker 3: fucking open up a shower curtain and stab a naked woman.
Speaker 3: All right, Like you didn't do the scene. You just
Speaker 3: they played the music and you know, and you walked out.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that the water drops, that's something I
Speaker 3: did always wonder why they had kind of those that
Speaker 3: drop spotty. Look, that's very interesting. I never picked up.
Speaker 8: When you said that drops body.
Speaker 3: Look you mean where the lighting? Oh, when he comes out,
Speaker 3: when he comes out, he had that kind of lighting.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 8: Oh wow. See I didn't. I didn't pick up on
Speaker 8: that at all.
Speaker 3: I never really picked up on it, being you know,
Speaker 3: I guess I never really picked it up. I mean,
Speaker 3: I obviously knew that the music at that point, but
Speaker 3: I didn't really like pick up. It was like a
Speaker 3: direct I thought it was more like a flavor as
Speaker 3: opposed to like, I don't know what they were implying
Speaker 3: right right.
Speaker 27: The Lapstan Wrestling podcast. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast
Speaker 27: with Jack And.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that. That's an even stronger signal. I didn't
Speaker 8: even think about that. I only thought about the music.
Speaker 8: But the fact that they try to replicate a steamy shower.
Speaker 3: Well, like, yeah, it's like water drops, like you know,
Speaker 3: I remember, I do remember that, Like it was like
Speaker 3: blue he had like blue spots or something like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, as lighting. But he didn't know there's nother movie.
Speaker 8: Here's no fucking, no fucking ship. Tremendous, so tremendous. That's said,
Speaker 8: like you can just like you can sneak in whatever
Speaker 8: characterizations you want as long as the checks are coming,
Speaker 8: He's not gonna notice, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the checks are coming in the vienna to getting
Speaker 3: to the church.
Speaker 8: Well he's back now and he's in the line of
Speaker 8: fire Boss. According to the pages of w WF magazine,
Speaker 8: we've been using the Big two magazine coverage of Sid
Speaker 8: is kind of like signposts for his evolution as a
Speaker 8: character and to get a flavor of how he was presented.
Speaker 8: We of course hit you with some great vintage WWF
Speaker 8: magazine clippings last time in terms of how we were
Speaker 8: introduced to Sid Justice as avid readers of the Company magazine.
Speaker 8: And now that he's back, it's time that he sits
Speaker 8: with Vic Venom aka Vince Russo for an in depth
Speaker 8: Q and A and apparently a photo shoot at the
Speaker 8: Cheers Bar in Boston.
Speaker 3: I do not know. That's fucking weird.
Speaker 8: Maybe they were just coming back from the in High
Speaker 8: Gear tour.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe this was the maybe this was right
Speaker 3: after maybe they maybe they were doing this the same
Speaker 3: day they were doing you know, they were in Worcester.
Speaker 3: Maybe they said maybe was.
Speaker 8: Like, why don't I go to Boston right with Sid
Speaker 8: and we'll take pictures. Well, Boss, I would really appreciate
Speaker 8: it if you could serenade us with this uh probing
Speaker 8: look into Sid psyche and I'll be providing the voice
Speaker 8: of the or when we get there.
Speaker 3: All right, Yes, I was gonna say, I need you
Speaker 3: to be uh to be Russo before the patrons of
Speaker 3: the bar even had the chance to say, Norm, brother,
Speaker 3: what Norm?
Speaker 8: And the lunatic dude where what in norm do you like?
Speaker 3: What do you am?
Speaker 8: I outside the norm? Or's he inside?
Speaker 3: Wait? Who? Well Hogan? What? Who said what? Before the
Speaker 3: patrons of the bar even had the chance to say norm,
Speaker 3: the good people of the Bull and Finch bub a
Speaker 3: Ka cheers had already felt the presence of the curly locked,
Speaker 3: blonde haired, twisted looking stranger.
Speaker 8: You know, if I describe, if I described Sid, yes,
Speaker 8: I would say he's a curly locked, blonde haired, twisted
Speaker 8: looking stranger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about right. All the way from Arkansas to
Speaker 3: visit their friendly establishment in Boston, Massachusetts, everybody knew his name,
Speaker 3: apparently not if he's a stranger. Just yeah, No, it
Speaker 3: wasn't Sam WOODI or Cliff, nor was it Carla, Diane
Speaker 3: or miss.
Speaker 8: This is huge, I don't know, I don't know who
Speaker 8: that is? Oh, miss Howe is how okay? This is
Speaker 8: Russo demonstrating that he watches television here.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the name, ladies and gentlemen, was just Plane
Speaker 3: Sid or if you.
Speaker 8: Prefer Psycho, damn there it is in black and white.
Speaker 3: And also they put the P before like it would
Speaker 3: end up just becoming the S right because they can
Speaker 3: do trademark that right, and they can do you know,
Speaker 3: stupid like alliteration with it.
Speaker 8: Is the August nineteen ninety folks, Sid sucks, perhaps right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's right, they could do the S's August ninety five
Speaker 8: issue by the way.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so well, after in high gear on
Speaker 3: this drizzling, gray, overcast Saturday, Sid decided that he wanted
Speaker 3: to visit the landmark that had inspired the legendary sitcom Cheers.
Speaker 3: Getting this inside information from the trusty informer, I immediately
Speaker 3: hopped into my car and headed to eighty four Beacon Street,
Speaker 3: downtown Beantown. Guess what. Once I reached my destination, it
Speaker 3: didn't take me too long to find him. Within the
Speaker 3: first five minutes that I had set my sights on him,
Speaker 3: eye witnessed Sid scare the Bejesus out of two innocent
Speaker 3: looking children who were merely seeking his autograph, physically lift
Speaker 3: two young men use me off the sideck simultaneously buy
Speaker 3: their throats. Where's the Boston PD for this shit for
Speaker 3: simply looking at him? Beat up a family sedan because
Speaker 3: a poor unknowing housewife had the gall to ask him
Speaker 3: to please get off it so she could pull out brother.
Speaker 8: What get off it, so we could pull out, get off,
Speaker 8: to pull out to what SID doesn't get off?
Speaker 3: I pull out.
Speaker 8: SID doesn't know anything about pulling out of a show.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't you mean? I mean I have to
Speaker 3: pull in with Terry. I forgot.
Speaker 8: It's nothing to do with you. This is an article
Speaker 8: about Sid. Why are you reading it as if it's
Speaker 8: like veiled shots at you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm I'm not reading. I don't have them. I
Speaker 3: don't I don't read the magazine, dude, I just heard things.
Speaker 8: Who's this Linda Kelly brother that edits the magazine?
Speaker 3: Who's Who's who's the lady in the back brother watching it?
Speaker 8: Well, Terry, Terry, I'm sorry this is a ca FA deal.
Speaker 8: But with Linda Kelly, that's Linda McMahon. Linda is the person.
Speaker 8: What what do you mean Linda McMahon, dude, she's the editor.
Speaker 8: She who Anything you've seen in that magazine is crossed
Speaker 8: her eyes, and she's approved it, and she's she's improved.
Speaker 8: She's in fame favor of what.
Speaker 3: Do you favor? Favor with the Lynda McMann brother. I
Speaker 3: didn't know who this Linda Kelly really.
Speaker 8: Is, dude, it's Lynda McMahon. I know it might be
Speaker 8: that you're going.
Speaker 3: To tell me that Lina McMahon is going on there
Speaker 3: on a k fabe name, dude, bullshit brother.
Speaker 8: I know who's work work dude.
Speaker 3: I know for a fat brother that it's you know, well,
Speaker 3: I can't tell you the otherwise, fucking burst my bubble.
Speaker 8: What's the next move?
Speaker 3: Terry big bootleg drop? That was the next movie?
Speaker 10: Why?
Speaker 8: Of course?
Speaker 3: And Las but not Lee snapped the umbrella of an
Speaker 3: excited tourist to have the quote audacity to ask him
Speaker 3: if he could take just his picture? Could just take
Speaker 3: his picture?
Speaker 8: I have three guys in this picture here watching with
Speaker 8: the muse looks on their face while Sid pretends to
Speaker 8: snap their umbrella.
Speaker 3: He's like fucking holding it like you know, as if
Speaker 3: he's you know, there's no sense of violence going on,
Speaker 3: like it's you can tell he pose for that picture.
Speaker 8: Yes, the knee is standing there stiff waiting for them
Speaker 8: to snap the picture of him pretending to snap the
Speaker 8: umbrella over his knee like Bo Jackson does a baseball bat.
Speaker 8: And then they have him yanking on a fucking when
Speaker 8: windshield wipe.
Speaker 3: I know with this woman screaming in.
Speaker 8: The background so bizarre. And next he's gonna find a
Speaker 8: squeegee in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brother, you think this job is fun? I had
Speaker 3: to interview this maniac brother editor.
Speaker 8: Then you can see the back of Vincruzzo's head there.
Speaker 3: Fucking vest And what an idiot, what a fucking moron
Speaker 3: he is, the way he dresses.
Speaker 8: Remember walking by Cheers when we went to that side
Speaker 8: of campus.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, they fucking I went there a couple
Speaker 3: of times too. I think the burg absolutely had a
Speaker 3: burger sat down there, you know, and was thoroughly disappointed
Speaker 3: that it did not look like Cheers until I went
Speaker 3: to the Faniel Hall one, which did look like Cheers.
Speaker 8: Said, YO, said, do you mind if I get a
Speaker 8: word with you for the magazine?
Speaker 3: The magazine you call that part trash?
Speaker 19: A magazine, that ridiculous mass of saper paper that had
Speaker 19: that pathetic good Samaritan on the cover, safe in his
Speaker 19: broken buddy, that glossy pilot that red sid snaps as
Speaker 19: friends reunite.
Speaker 3: Is it the magazine you're talking about, miss.
Speaker 8: Treasurer swallowing, swallowing very hard. Uh yeah, that's the one.
Speaker 3: I mean, Well, let me tell you something, you pathetic
Speaker 3: human being I rid your stinking story and that piece
Speaker 3: of garbe.
Speaker 8: It was all wrong.
Speaker 3: You call yourself a journalist, You nothing but a low down, dirty,
Speaker 3: stinking liar. You are no truth.
Speaker 8: Well, yes, I shut up.
Speaker 3: Well it speaks you magine. Sean called me, he wanted me.
Speaker 3: I was never his bodyguard. The understanding was that we
Speaker 3: were supposed to watch each other's back. The problem began
Speaker 3: due to Sean being so wrapped up in himself. Sean
Speaker 3: knew right away that the people only believed in me
Speaker 3: and not him. That set off as ego. Sean knows
Speaker 3: why that he's not me. It's never gonna be me.
Speaker 3: It will never be me, and it will never be
Speaker 3: able to do the things that I do. That's why
Speaker 3: he was trying to hog the spotlight by giving me
Speaker 3: the night off.
Speaker 5: Nobody gives me the night off.
Speaker 8: Yes, nobody repeat it, say what it read what it says, boss,
Speaker 8: go ahead.
Speaker 5: Nobody gives me anything.
Speaker 8: I mean, chef's kiss, chef's kiss, I mean, that's just sad. Really,
Speaker 8: nobody gives me anything. The sid story, that's right, but
Speaker 8: he was paying your salary.
Speaker 3: Wait, Rod, there you pencil, push and puke. Nobody pays
Speaker 3: me that's not what I heard. That's not what I
Speaker 3: heard said.
Speaker 5: That's the problem.
Speaker 3: Nobody pays me what I deserve. Seaw Michael doesn't have
Speaker 3: enough money to pay me. I've made more money in
Speaker 3: one night than Sean made in a whole year. This
Speaker 3: business is all about how much much money you're able
Speaker 3: to bring in. Okay, so fucking now, he's fucking uh,
Speaker 3: he's fucking exposing, he.
Speaker 8: Said, quickly, just quickly. If nobody pays you, then how
Speaker 8: do you make more money in one night than Sean does?
Speaker 3: If nobody pays you, then why are you here?
Speaker 8: Nobody pays you, How do you, I don't know, make money?
Speaker 3: Yeah right? If nobody pays you, then you know, how
Speaker 3: do you buy food?
Speaker 8: Sound poor to me?
Speaker 3: Pally? How many people you can put this is fucking fucked,
Speaker 3: fucking breaking k favier. This business is all about how
Speaker 3: much money you're able to bring in, how many people
Speaker 3: you can put in the seats. Now that Shawn Michaels,
Speaker 3: the Little Diesel has ever sold out a building in
Speaker 3: their lives.
Speaker 8: Oh ship in the company magazine, it's definitely russo trying
Speaker 8: to slip one in, you know, yeah right, I'm then
Speaker 8: so I didn't take a look at this month's magazine.
Speaker 8: But I just just crossed my desk. I didn't get
Speaker 8: a look at it for a winter publication. We'll talk
Speaker 8: about what you're trying to get across here, this idea
Speaker 8: that we're not drawing with our champion.
Speaker 3: I mean, and you know, I don't mind. I understand
Speaker 3: that you're trying to write an entertaining feature about sid
Speaker 3: for the for the magazine. But what I don't understand
Speaker 3: is why you're trying to expose the business and why
Speaker 3: you're trying to insinuate that that we're not always selling
Speaker 3: out houses.
Speaker 8: Let me ask you a question, Vince, have you ever
Speaker 8: sold out a house?
Speaker 3: Let me you know, let me ask you something. Do
Speaker 3: you sell houses?
Speaker 8: Because I've got a pay per view coming up called
Speaker 8: in your House, and we need a house to effectuate
Speaker 8: this transaction.
Speaker 3: We didn't do it hard, all right, because I can't
Speaker 3: sell a house. I don't have the training.
Speaker 8: Ye can you sell in your house? That doesn't doesn't
Speaker 8: seem like a clear answer either.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand where are we going.
Speaker 8: This is before the raw magazine. I put it on
Speaker 8: his desk, I said, Vince, this is where we're going.
Speaker 8: Two weeks later, I'm in a creative meeting and he
Speaker 8: holds up the magazine and he says, this, guys, is
Speaker 8: where where headed?
Speaker 3: And I don't even know where that is? Where am I?
Speaker 3: Who's headed? Where? What? Where am I?
Speaker 8: Who's headed?
Speaker 2: Where?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 8: There's a lot happening there. Yes, not a good sign
Speaker 8: in ninety five, especially if five.
Speaker 3: No, not a good sign at all. I just want
Speaker 3: to I just want to do well by my you know,
Speaker 3: with my things.
Speaker 8: Enough. Quotes from the cutscenes from the Netflix.
Speaker 3: Do you remember wrestlingy eight over sixty thousand people at
Speaker 3: the Who's your dome? Who was in the main event?
Speaker 3: Word may wordman?
Speaker 8: He says, like it's an insult.
Speaker 5: Who's in the main event? Wordman? Who?
Speaker 3: That's the difference between me and them?
Speaker 8: Still said, has given you the night off? Doesn't in
Speaker 8: any way justify you're almost ending the guy's career a career.
Speaker 3: You called that a career. I call it a Traves team.
Speaker 3: That they even let a joker in a wrestling ring.
Speaker 3: It was a slap in the face. Seaan Michaels is
Speaker 3: not my equal. He's never gonna be a world wrestling
Speaker 3: Entertainment champion I am.
Speaker 5: He was the one who got him my face.
Speaker 3: He was the one who poked me in the chest.
Speaker 3: He was the one who called me.
Speaker 8: Boy, but said you jumped him when his back was turned.
Speaker 3: His back was turned, Well, you kidding me? This business
Speaker 3: isn't all about shaking hands, hugging necks and being friends.
Speaker 3: If you're stupid enough to get in my face, put
Speaker 3: your hands on me, and then turn your back on me,
Speaker 3: then you're stupid enough to get beat up like Sean
Speaker 3: beat up.
Speaker 8: There are those who say your outlandish actions on Monday
Speaker 8: Night Raw were attributed to one reason, and one reason only, jealousy.
Speaker 8: What do you say to that?
Speaker 5: You're right, it's jealousy.
Speaker 3: Of me trigger the whole thing. It started off at
Speaker 3: wrestlemany eleven, when Sean and Diesel were out there resting
Speaker 3: their guts out and the people were chin what they
Speaker 3: were chanting Sid. That's where the jealousy started right then.
Speaker 8: And there is Diesel jealous of Sid, no isy jealous.
Speaker 3: But he's also very sappy. One minute shown her worst enemies,
Speaker 3: the next minute their best buddies. You know what, In
Speaker 3: a way, I think it's kind of cute. Seems a
Speaker 3: Diesel is the true hero these days. First shown then
Speaker 3: Bam Bam, then Razor Ramon. You know why Diesel's been
Speaker 3: doing those pathetic good deeds because he has sickness, and
Speaker 3: that sickness is to hear the cheers of the people.
Speaker 3: You know, it'd be too easy for me to get
Speaker 3: in that ring with Diesel and kick him all over it. Now,
Speaker 3: my plan is to mentally torture him. He knows all
Speaker 3: about the power that I possess, that I know that
Speaker 3: I'm always and he knows I'm always near. That scares
Speaker 3: him to death, his worst enemy and his time and
Speaker 3: fear he has to think about me for not just
Speaker 3: a day, but for the rest of his life. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna wear him down mentally to the point of making
Speaker 3: him crazy.
Speaker 8: Speaking off crazy, how do you feel about the fans
Speaker 8: calling you psycho?
Speaker 3: You know what bothers me a little bit because I
Speaker 3: don't know why they're calling me psycho. Maybe it's because
Speaker 3: of the split part.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that will do it.
Speaker 3: Maybe because of the split personality I have.
Speaker 26: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The bottom line is that people come up with their
Speaker 3: own ideas before they do any research.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, fucking stupid quote.
Speaker 5: That's why I hate people like you and the media
Speaker 5: so much.
Speaker 3: You're not smart enough to see the truth. But you
Speaker 3: know what, every little knock in this world is a boost.
Speaker 3: It's all taken.
Speaker 8: Well, if I'm not smart enough to see the truth,
Speaker 8: then you tell me exactly what the real truth is.
Speaker 8: Tell me about the real relationship between Sid and his
Speaker 8: new boss, the million dollar man, Teddy Biassi.
Speaker 3: You know, for being the enter of a magazine. I
Speaker 3: can't believe how stupid you are, how many times you
Speaker 3: have to tell you nobody is Sid's boss, nobody pay
Speaker 3: Sid salary.
Speaker 8: Nobody pays Sid salary. Well, that's a problem, isn't it, Joe.
Speaker 19: Nobody's gonna tell Sid what to do or how to eat,
Speaker 19: or how to work, or how to dress, or which
Speaker 19: guys to wrestle or when to wrestle them.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a whole bad Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you don't sound particularly employable as a pro wrestler.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do what Sid wants to do.
Speaker 8: If you're your own man, as you claim, then why
Speaker 8: did you join the million dollar corporation in the first place.
Speaker 3: In the wild, we all have an instinct to survive.
Speaker 3: When I was looking for a certain something from the outside.
Speaker 3: I decide who I wanted to be with and why
Speaker 3: I wanted to be with them. I'm not the alpha
Speaker 3: wolf and a pack of wolves. But I can't always
Speaker 3: do everything by myself because I'm always gonna be outnumbered,
Speaker 3: just like what happened with Sid and Sean or Sean
Speaker 3: and Diesel when they teamed up on me. But now
Speaker 3: I have the best in the world backing me up.
Speaker 3: It's a corporation. We're a pack. We run together. Nonetheless,
Speaker 3: I'm still the alpha, and I'm always gonna eat first,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna was gonna eat first, be paid first,
Speaker 3: be paid the most first.
Speaker 8: I thought nobody paid your salary, be paid the most first.
Speaker 8: This is just I have no doubt in my mind
Speaker 8: that this isn't an exact direct transcription of what he said.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I mean, he's just letting them the
Speaker 3: first time I've ever read one of these interviews that
Speaker 3: actually I believe is the person the way.
Speaker 8: And you know, you got to think of Russo making
Speaker 8: mental notes as he goes about these quirks when he
Speaker 8: writes for Sid later on in WCW, when he comes
Speaker 8: back around, Oh, absolutely, have you made yourself the alpha,
Speaker 8: or has the corporation labeled you that.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say that these guys have a
Speaker 3: fear of me, but they know me and they know
Speaker 3: what I can do. They know that if they ever
Speaker 3: decided to jump me, eventually the alpha will drag them
Speaker 3: all down one by one. I'm the leader for a reason.
Speaker 3: I'm the leader because I'm bigger, I'm meaner, I'm stronger.
Speaker 8: The corporation knows that at what point do you become
Speaker 8: satisfied in the World Wrestling Federation, satisfied.
Speaker 3: When two things happen. Number one, when I am the
Speaker 3: world's entertainment champion and number two, when I get the
Speaker 3: proper respect I deserve. In times, I will rule the world.
Speaker 8: Wow, what a glimpse into the psyche.
Speaker 3: Huh Oh, that's a fucking that's amazing.
Speaker 8: It's all there. I mean, his piccadillos, his fucking way
Speaker 8: with words, his his fucking nonsense. It is truly remarkable
Speaker 8: how how perfect a character he is for an article
Speaker 8: like that. Yep, and again, Russo would write for SID
Speaker 8: not only in WCW, but also during the earliest stages
Speaker 8: of the Attitude era, where Russo would have some responsibility
Speaker 8: for backstage promo scripting, not that a whole bunch of
Speaker 8: guys you know, took scripts or anything, but they accepted
Speaker 8: kind of his bullet points and framing. You can't help it, hit,
Speaker 8: You can't help but think of the gears turning in
Speaker 8: Russo's head and Money keeps talking about the corporation as well, right, seriously,
Speaker 8: of course the Corporation would be a centerpiece stable theme
Speaker 8: device in Russo's peak WWF writing. And yeah, the Corporation
Speaker 8: was originally Teddybasse's stable of wrestlers. It was kind of
Speaker 8: like the Heenan family, right a little bit. Yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean it was like any It was like any of
Speaker 8: the any stable. Yep, you know, it'd have the same thing,
Speaker 8: same vibe. That's what the mentality was, both in front
Speaker 8: of and behind the camera as it regards pairing up
Speaker 8: Sid with the Corporation and really Ted Dibiassi as a
Speaker 8: manager here in the w w F nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 8: But you know, all told when it comes to developing
Speaker 8: the and proposing and setting in stone the Sid character
Speaker 8: that we just heard in that interview and what we've
Speaker 8: been talking about this far, I think Cornett wraps it
Speaker 8: up pretty well.
Speaker 7: That's why Vince McMahon was so sold on the SID
Speaker 7: multiple times, because he looked so good and Vince knew
Speaker 7: he had just like Donald pleasants in Halloween if he
Speaker 7: could just reach him, you know. But he found out
Speaker 7: that those eyes were soulless. He couldn't keep him under control,
Speaker 7: in from blowing up, from having issues whatever, to fully
Speaker 7: monetize him. And that's the thing they threw from nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty nine through nineteen ninety what eight or nine.
Speaker 3: With w C A little bit after that, yeah, a
Speaker 3: little are two thousand.
Speaker 7: They threw money at him. He would he'd quit, leave,
Speaker 7: go home, get the mutual split, whatever the fuck. All
Speaker 7: the incidents get fired for the thing with Arn and
Speaker 7: he'd sit at home for a while, and then the
Speaker 7: other when the heat was off the other side, because
Speaker 7: of there was something there, they would get him and
Speaker 7: then some would happen again. So he could have been
Speaker 7: much bigger and for a longer period of time, because
Speaker 7: there were so many breaks in that period of time.
Speaker 8: So we go forward now that SID is despite all
Speaker 8: the warning signs and despite all the handholding necessary, and
Speaker 8: despite the the need to align them with Teddy biasse
Speaker 8: they go forward and Yeah, the first match that Sid
Speaker 8: has back with WWF upon returning, you heard the February
Speaker 8: Monday Night Ross segments there and the night after WrestleMania.
Speaker 8: But the first time he actually has a match is
Speaker 8: on April fourth, nineteen ninety five and Glenn falls in
Speaker 8: New York where he matches up against the guy they
Speaker 8: sent to Memphis to test him out kick the tires,
Speaker 8: a bed the Undertaker, Wow the future WrestleMania thirteen main event,
Speaker 8: which when the match happened, felt like the first time
Speaker 8: the two had clashed, didn't it.
Speaker 3: I don't even know that they did.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was kind of like, all right, Undertaker, Sid,
Speaker 8: that's you know, say what you will for a WrestleMania
Speaker 8: main event.
Speaker 3: Oh you mean WrestleMania. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that felt like
Speaker 3: the first time that it ever had. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they had never even really been in each other's orbit.
Speaker 8: But come to find out, a big part of getting
Speaker 8: Sid back with WWF was matches with the Undertaker and
Speaker 8: being litmus tests on how ready he was to return.
Speaker 8: But overall has mentioned, Sid viewed the ninety five return
Speaker 8: as a whipping post situation. Basically, you know, being punished
Speaker 8: or being demoted over and over again. He said on
Speaker 8: a shooting interview with Vince in WCW. When I came
Speaker 8: back and forth both times, we all know the story,
Speaker 8: and me quitting Vince put me in a bind. When
Speaker 8: I went back the next time, I was on the
Speaker 8: whipping post. But this is what again, I credit my
Speaker 8: to this, he says, you know what, I'll be on
Speaker 8: this whipping post for a little bit, but I'm good
Speaker 8: enough that they're going to have to use me one day,
Speaker 8: you know, in a position beyond like cutting him down
Speaker 8: to size. That's how he saw the run. So yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean that's how I would look at it too, boss.
Speaker 8: If I got to come in get involved in the
Speaker 8: main event of WrestleMania eleven without having to do anything
Speaker 8: physically cut a promo, that's the spotlight of the whole angle.
Speaker 8: I would also get to lay out the top name
Speaker 8: in the company the next night on Raw and turn
Speaker 8: heel in the biggest angle of the year. Pretty much.
Speaker 8: I would then get to headline two consecutive pay per
Speaker 8: views for the WWF Championship in the main event, despite
Speaker 8: there being no apparent appetite for it, and be compensated
Speaker 8: to commensurate with that. Yeah, I would consider that the
Speaker 8: whipping post.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean, look, he doesn't get to
Speaker 3: do anything at all, right, you know, and he's basically
Speaker 3: just being told what a bitch he is and how
Speaker 3: was he going to get fucked with?
Speaker 8: And after a year of beating me down, he once said,
Speaker 8: I believe to r video, they know I had actually
Speaker 8: hurt my neck and I had to have surgery. So
Speaker 8: we're coming to another one of those crossroads for Big Sid.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is around the time they're programming him
Speaker 8: literally against Henry Godwin towards the end of the year,
Speaker 8: so they're really trying to see, you know, what his
Speaker 8: tolerance level is. I have to say, it seems like
Speaker 8: they're they're playing a bit of a game with the men.
Speaker 8: We talked about the in your houses, we talked about WrestleMania.
Speaker 8: Do you recall what role he was supposed to have
Speaker 8: at SummerSlam nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 3: He was supposed to face Shawn Michaels.
Speaker 8: Was it not said in black and white in the
Speaker 8: pages of WWF magazine that it was to be Sean
Speaker 8: versus Sid? I feel like it was sure was. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 8: it was, but as we know, what ends up being
Speaker 8: the Shawn Michaels raising Ramone to ladder match. Yes, and
Speaker 8: we'll get to some perspectives on why that was the
Speaker 8: case a little later. But if I was Sid and
Speaker 8: I had it gritted out for me that look, you're
Speaker 8: gonna turn on Sewn, You're gonna work Diesel for the championship,
Speaker 8: and then come SummerSlam you're gonna get to have the
Speaker 8: blowoff match with Sean.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny too, because like I remember being
Speaker 3: this pointed too, because I'm like, well, why isn't he
Speaker 3: facing Sean? Like why is he facing Razor? I moan again,
Speaker 3: I like, I I was very much into not necessarily
Speaker 3: you know, great matches, but I really it was important
Speaker 3: to me that storylines were resolved and the one that
Speaker 3: needed to be resolved and the one that honestly was
Speaker 3: like the the thing that was I was excited to
Speaker 3: see was Sewn and Sid, Like I wanted to see
Speaker 3: that play out and finish.
Speaker 8: It was really stupid that after what Sid did to him,
Speaker 8: that Sean Michaels came back and just chased the Intercontinental
Speaker 8: title instead of went made a bee line for Sid
Speaker 8: try to take a set off.
Speaker 3: They didn't even really pay it off until Survivor series.
Speaker 8: If you live in here, think of that, right, Seriously,
Speaker 8: they had to go back to it, but it made
Speaker 8: no sense that Sean wasn't going right after Sid. Yeah,
Speaker 8: it was really sad.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 8: It was a power play. It seemed like to me
Speaker 8: because there's no other reason that all the promotional gears
Speaker 8: are in motion for that match to happen other than
Speaker 8: and Sean pulls a card and wants to work with
Speaker 8: his buddy instead. Yeah, I wonder if that remark we
Speaker 8: just read from the magazine which is August ninety five,
Speaker 8: where Sid says Sean and Diesel can't draw crowds, and
Speaker 8: I can. I wonder if that was the thing that
Speaker 8: pissed them off or if it was Yeah, maybe Sid
Speaker 8: maybe being pissed off knowing that they're taking him out
Speaker 8: of the mix for as big time Summer Slam match
Speaker 8: and trying to smack at him. Interesting. Yeah, Sean gets
Speaker 8: involved in like the Jeff Jarrett program, the night Jeff
Speaker 8: Jarrett leaves, he wins the Icy Strap in that terrific match,
Speaker 8: and Sean comes back full fledged baby face with no
Speaker 8: interest at all, and he's it's not like he's going
Speaker 8: for the championship. He comes back and he's going for
Speaker 8: the Intercontinental Belt right which to me is just like
Speaker 8: a really cynical way to just come up with a
Speaker 8: reason to do that the second Razor match because he
Speaker 8: doesn't feel like doing the SID match which Sid versus
Speaker 8: Sean for the ICY title at SummerSlam ninety five, that's
Speaker 8: for the IC title. That just makes it bizarre to me.
Speaker 3: I mean it is, it is definitely, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: but still I'm like, that to me, is that's the
Speaker 3: match right there, That's what I want to see. Yep.
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Speaker 8: As far as why Diesel for the first comeback program
Speaker 8: for SID, Pritchard said in his podcast, because you had
Speaker 8: so much equity in SID and obviously Diesel and Sean,
Speaker 8: and that whole scenario when we were in many respects
Speaker 8: booking almost month to month at this point, because you
Speaker 8: didn't we had a whole Summer planned, he says, to
Speaker 8: get Sid, to get Sid and Diesel at SummerSlam for
Speaker 8: the first time. So Prichard says, the original plan was
Speaker 8: to finally have Sid and Diesel clash at SummerSlam. Now,
Speaker 8: as we know, Diesel versus Mabel headlining SummerSlam ninety five
Speaker 8: hardly seems like a plan a I have to say,
Speaker 8: al f but they did know as far out as
Speaker 8: King of the Ring in June where Mabel one that
Speaker 8: torn it into qualify for the belt, that that was
Speaker 8: the direction. So we have to figure it was between
Speaker 8: post WrestleMania and King of the Ring, So that's just
Speaker 8: like a two maybe a month and a half period
Speaker 8: there where they could have switched this up. But again,
Speaker 8: by the time we get closer to SummerSlam, it is
Speaker 8: to be a Sid and Sean. But to hear Bruce
Speaker 8: tell it, that was not to be the plan. From
Speaker 8: the moment Sid turned on Sewan. It wasn't like you
Speaker 8: do this and you guys will eventually face off at SummerSlam.
Speaker 8: That apparently was the Nash plan. I don't know if
Speaker 8: they wanted to get to Sid versus Sean before Sid
Speaker 8: versus Nash and have Sid run over Sean if so,
Speaker 8: it would make a lot of sense that Sean found
Speaker 8: a way to get that turned around. Yeah, right at
Speaker 8: the last minute, Prichard recalls, as they were talking about
Speaker 8: the mate time frame, Now we're here in May and
Speaker 8: we're doing it in your house. So it was rushed.
Speaker 8: But I think there was a little bit of relief
Speaker 8: that we did it at an in your house and
Speaker 8: not at a summer slam on a bigger platform, because
Speaker 8: they didn't gel. Their styles just clashed and it wasn't
Speaker 8: We're trying to make Diesel that big babyface champion. He says,
Speaker 8: they can slay all comers, and it didn't feel like
Speaker 8: that against another big bastard that looks like he could
Speaker 8: slay all comers. It was just a bad clash. I
Speaker 8: guess that's kind of it. I mean, they got in
Speaker 8: the ring together and it just didn't look like one
Speaker 8: could make the other look vulnerable at any given point.
Speaker 8: It's just like two titans just throwing power moves at
Speaker 8: each other, one after the other in succession, and it
Speaker 8: was just kind of it was kind of boring. It
Speaker 8: didn't right, I mean, that's right, that's just kind of
Speaker 8: what happened.
Speaker 3: It just was not. It didn't end up being nearly
Speaker 3: as exciting as you would hope.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they never really seem to do anything in the
Speaker 8: matches that are like, Okay, this is the design, this
Speaker 8: is where I'm supposed to care, this is where I'm
Speaker 8: supposed to lean in to want one guy to win
Speaker 8: more than the other guy. It was just like, who's
Speaker 8: going to power bomb the other first? Ye kind of
Speaker 8: like the perverse spectacle of whether they could actually get
Speaker 8: the other guy up without hurting themselves or each other.
Speaker 8: And Nash did get hurt. He busted his elbow in
Speaker 8: that match taking the power bomb, and remember he wanted
Speaker 8: a King of the Ring and the horrible tag team
Speaker 8: main event that year with that big ass brace around
Speaker 8: his elbow because he got hurt taking a power bomb
Speaker 8: from Sid. So it was all fucking disastrous, really mess,
Speaker 8: just a mess. So yeah, Pretcher reiterates it eventually was
Speaker 8: we were getting to Sid and Diesel, but we saw
Speaker 8: getting to it with Diesel and Sean. What happened was
Speaker 8: at WRESTLEMANI eleven. That's the infamous Vince coming into the car.
Speaker 8: This is a story that Bruce is told many times
Speaker 8: after WrestleMania. Heading into Wrestleman eleven, Vince coming into the
Speaker 8: car with Pat and I and Shane and saying, God,
Speaker 8: damn it. Am I the only one who sees that
Speaker 8: we have a baby face on our hands? And Shaan's
Speaker 8: getting cheered. Boss, you saw it and you heard it.
Speaker 3: God, he's such a goof and we completely reh doesn't
Speaker 3: understand what's going on. Oh God, what well? The only
Speaker 3: one that sits here and wonders why.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Vince, we all been hearing it. We're just waiting
Speaker 8: for the opportunity for you to be able to say
Speaker 8: it was your idea. Son.
Speaker 3: I want to say that we have opportunities in our hands.
Speaker 3: We have opportunities in our pants.
Speaker 8: God damn, is Sean not a great babyface.
Speaker 3: To execute possibility with transgression? Oh?
Speaker 8: Interesting? He sees an opportunity to execute possibility and transgression
Speaker 8: in the babyface turn of Sean. Michaels I do make
Speaker 8: of that what you will.
Speaker 3: I'm believe in things, and.
Speaker 8: Bruce says, we completely we wrote the entire summer upon
Speaker 8: you know, Vince saying that about seawns a babyface, or says,
Speaker 8: at least we wrote the next three weeks in the
Speaker 8: car as we went to Poughkeepsie to do television where
Speaker 8: this was shot, and Vince just thought we were battling
Speaker 8: an uphill battle trying to make Shawn a babyface, something
Speaker 8: that Pat and I, Bruce says, has been preaching and
Speaker 8: told never to bring up again. So apparently the story
Speaker 8: was that Pat and Bruce definitely saw Sean as a
Speaker 8: baby face in this time period before Vince would come
Speaker 8: around to it. Nope, wrong, didn't. I'm playing three D
Speaker 8: chess here, pal, you know I'm playing eight the things
Speaker 8: you don't think I noticed. I'm just trying to make
Speaker 8: sure you notice.
Speaker 3: All right. I'm just trying to make sure things get
Speaker 3: noticed by you right in a sensible fashion.
Speaker 8: And things is a wide, wide aperture, Pal in terms
Speaker 8: of what fits in there. So the easiest way to
Speaker 8: do it, Bruce says, was to get him away from Sid.
Speaker 8: And why not Let's make Sid, you know, the big
Speaker 8: nasty heel, and have him kill Sean, and that will
Speaker 8: make Sean a babyface. Diesel comes out for the rescue,
Speaker 8: and you immediately make that switch to Sid versus Diesel.
Speaker 8: But it was supposed to take longer, Bruce says it
Speaker 8: was supposed to take longer to get there, but Vince
Speaker 8: felt it was an uphill battle and it was going
Speaker 8: to hurt Diesel the more that he worked with Shawn Michael,
Speaker 8: so that's why it was rushed. So I think what
Speaker 8: he's saying is sid power bombing Sean. It was not
Speaker 8: supposed to be the night after WrestleMania, I see. I
Speaker 8: was supposed to play it off for a longer time
Speaker 8: period where Diesel and Shawn would continue to work together.
Speaker 8: But as Shawn indicates in his book, the way the
Speaker 8: WrestleMania match played out, Vince was much more minded towards
Speaker 8: getting Sean out of the picture, thinking that the crowd
Speaker 8: increasingly favoring him would only hurt Diesel. I'm not saying
Speaker 8: that's wrong, but it's kind of asked backwards. Its kind
Speaker 8: of like, yeah, exactly, events exactly, So let's make a
Speaker 8: change here, right right. It'd be like if he took
Speaker 8: Steve Austin off TV in nineteen ninety seven because fans
Speaker 8: started cheering him over Brett Hart.
Speaker 3: You know, they're cheering him a little bit more than
Speaker 3: they're chearing the Patriot, and that's just not where we're
Speaker 3: going right now. Power we're about patriotism right right, So
Speaker 3: I just don't I don't appreciate where we're going and
Speaker 3: why we're going there.
Speaker 8: As for said, he's always haid in interviews that he'd
Speaker 8: never had any issues with the Click. He told Hannibal,
Speaker 8: not at all, but he does remember the matches with
Speaker 8: Diesel being tough and not that good. He says that
Speaker 8: Diesel just did not have a lot of great psychology.
Speaker 8: I hate to say it, Sid said to Hannibal, but
Speaker 8: he's somebody who's got two left feet Diesel. So that's
Speaker 8: there you go. There just wasn't no, nothing was memorable
Speaker 8: about him. Sid says, Oh Jesus, oh my god, what
Speaker 8: if Nash heard he said that before he offered a
Speaker 8: such flattering commentary. Upon his passing, he's asked did you
Speaker 8: get along behind the scenes with him? And Sid says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 8: when we first started, we wrote together, so it wasn't
Speaker 8: that we didn't get along. It's just I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't know if anybody's ever said that they had
Speaker 8: great matches with him. It's a fucking nog. I don't
Speaker 8: if anybody's ever said they've had great matches with Kevin
Speaker 8: Nash Well, I mean Sean and Brett did. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 8: But that's kind of where the list ends. Unless I'm
Speaker 8: forgetting somebody. The Goldberg matches weren't bad for what they were.
Speaker 8: I will give him that. Yeah, he rose to the
Speaker 8: occasion on those that would have been when he was
Speaker 8: in w CW, when he started. Okay, yeah, so they
Speaker 8: go back to when were writing together. As for the corporation,
Speaker 8: what does Teddy Byassi think being in this position of
Speaker 8: managing Sid, a guy who is not supposed to need
Speaker 8: a manager, right, I mean, he's talking his ass off.
Speaker 8: Here's Teddy Byassi in his book. Vince eventually took me
Speaker 8: out of the announcing booth. Remember ted was doing commentary too.
Speaker 8: He told me that he wanted me exclusively as a manager.
Speaker 8: Vince wanted me on the road full time to manage
Speaker 8: Sid Vicious. I served as his advisor and mentor. I
Speaker 8: was to groom Sid and teach him about the business
Speaker 8: and how to work in the business. After all these years,
Speaker 8: all the money this guy's made, we still need someone
Speaker 8: to teach Sid how to be in the business. In
Speaker 8: other words, how to countenance the fact.
Speaker 3: That we really need we need to teach him out
Speaker 3: to work WW style. You know this isn't your southern wrestling, right.
Speaker 8: What we need to do, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 8: we need to get him to accept the fact that
Speaker 8: we can't necessarily afford to pay you consistently every time
Speaker 8: and shut the fuck up about it.
Speaker 3: That's what we want to say is I'm not going
Speaker 3: to pay you to me you can wrestle.
Speaker 8: See, we do things differently here, Palin. I know that
Speaker 8: you were rocketed to the moon before you really got
Speaker 8: a chance to learn the business. But let me tell you,
Speaker 8: coming in here and expecting these guarantee three hundred and
Speaker 8: fifty thousand dollars years, it's just not how the business works.
Speaker 8: That's that's not the incentive structure that's going to make
Speaker 8: you all you can be. In other words, I don't
Speaker 8: have the money.
Speaker 3: In other words, I don't have the compensation at the
Speaker 3: ready to offer you the things that you're requiring.
Speaker 8: I don't have compensation at the ready. You know it's money,
Speaker 8: and I'm pretty sure that's why you said it. I
Speaker 8: was to groom sit and teach them about the business
Speaker 8: and how to work in the business. SID had come
Speaker 8: into the word Wrestling Federation. After an incident that had
Speaker 8: happened overseas World Championship Wrestling, he and Arn Anderson got
Speaker 8: in an altercation at their hotel in England. Had led
Speaker 8: to a fight ended up with Sid stabbing On in
Speaker 8: the back with a pair of cuticle scissors. I never
Speaker 8: heard I've never heard someone say they were cuticle scissors
Speaker 8: like that as opposed to just scissors. Interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, I believe that they The expert uh transition was
Speaker 3: on the cuticle nature of the.
Speaker 8: Did you see the expert transition?
Speaker 3: I said things that most people don't say.
Speaker 8: Arn, were they cuticle scissors? After all was said and down,
Speaker 8: Arn ended up with more than twenty stab wounds. The
Speaker 8: company fired Sid. When Vince told me this, I didn't
Speaker 8: want to do it. The reason was because of my
Speaker 8: friendship with Arn. I pulled Bruce Pritchrick to the side
Speaker 8: and told him, so, Vince wants me to go on
Speaker 8: the road and babysit this big and strong yet raw
Speaker 8: guy who stabbed one of my best friends Arn in
Speaker 8: the back. Bruce simply replied, yes, Tad, it's Vince.
Speaker 2: I know you.
Speaker 8: I know you and Arn are really tight, gone back
Speaker 8: many years. I get a great deal respect for arn
Speaker 8: as you know, but I want you to know that
Speaker 8: it's hurt. As soon as I heard he got stabbed
Speaker 8: almost to death by Sid, I thought, wouldn't it be
Speaker 8: funny if I made you manage him? You know, that's
Speaker 8: a man from be that's correct, rough with good start.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to throw something by you to see
Speaker 3: if you right at any thoughts and on on the
Speaker 3: on the situation here. But I know you're, I know you're.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to just call and see how you're
Speaker 3: doing in regards to him. You know, you your I
Speaker 3: know that your longtime acquaintances and h whatnot with Arne.
Speaker 8: I talked to him last week and he's he's doing okay, Vince,
Speaker 8: but that I'm really worried about him, and I'm actually
Speaker 8: I'm furious that this happened to the guy.
Speaker 3: I understand, and I can understand that you'd also be
Speaker 3: furious with the man who did it. The absolutely the aggressor. Right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was never a big fan of his, as
Speaker 8: you know. You put me in the ring with him
Speaker 8: for his very first match here, and I just I
Speaker 8: did all I could with the guy, But I never
Speaker 8: felt like he was someone that had his head right
Speaker 8: about this business.
Speaker 3: You know, And I want to say that that.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm just really glad he's not here.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and you know what, I want
Speaker 3: to say that as as the one who did that,
Speaker 3: I want to say that I apologize. You know, we're
Speaker 3: all human beings.
Speaker 8: We all make Oh that's fine minutes. So that's water
Speaker 8: under the bridge. That's not your problem.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. What I want to do, and actually
Speaker 3: why i'm calling is because I want to actually rectify
Speaker 3: that whole situation.
Speaker 8: Oh that's kind of you, but I don't think that's necessary.
Speaker 8: We've all moved on.
Speaker 3: And I do believe that.
Speaker 11: You know that.
Speaker 3: I believe in karma. I believe in good things for people.
Speaker 8: Me too, I do too. And what I wanted to
Speaker 8: do and the Good Lord does too, the good Lord
Speaker 8: does too.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know the Good Lord. The Good Lord is
Speaker 3: the Good Lord Alfred Hayes. And what I wanted to
Speaker 3: do was just offer you the opportunity here, and I
Speaker 3: think this could be an excellent chance to vindicate not
Speaker 3: only myself but yourself from the the matters at hand.
Speaker 11: And.
Speaker 8: Vidicate myself. He offers ted A chands to vindicate himself,
Speaker 8: Vince's self. It's like it's like, wait a minute, what
Speaker 8: what is this from the matters at hand?
Speaker 3: And well, see, you know the way that I feel
Speaker 3: like the best, you know, the best way that someone
Speaker 3: can move on from a situation, I think is through humor, right,
Speaker 3: And in that regard, I want you to humor me,
Speaker 3: because well there's no easy way to say this except
Speaker 3: just say it.
Speaker 8: And you fire me, are you, Vince? You're not going
Speaker 8: to fire me.
Speaker 3: I've listened.
Speaker 8: My marriage is on the ropes. I can't stop cheating.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, neither can I. I'm with you, all right,
Speaker 3: I get it. I can't even in.
Speaker 8: Fact, fact, just last past week exactly, in fact, just
Speaker 8: last night last.
Speaker 3: Night, I had about eighteen in my room Whend was sleeping,
Speaker 3: and I fucked eighteen women. We're talking hardcore, all right, hardcore?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, full on rectal penetration,
Speaker 3: if you know what I mean. But what I want
Speaker 3: to do is offer us redemption. And I think the
Speaker 3: only way we can be redeemed is to go and
Speaker 3: face our fears and our past eye to eye. And
Speaker 3: I want you to face sid eyed eye.
Speaker 8: Oh, come on, No, you can't be serious.
Speaker 3: You're going to manage Sid and you're going to take
Speaker 3: him on the road with you. What.
Speaker 8: I don't want to be in the same zip code
Speaker 8: as this guy. Why this is happening, because I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: You need excuse me, you need it. You need to
Speaker 3: understand that if you don't take Sid, I'm gonna stab you.
Speaker 3: You think what happened to him is bad? Pal, You
Speaker 3: think what happened to Arna Anderson, your good friend is
Speaker 3: is is is bad? Wait till I get a knife
Speaker 3: and take you down.
Speaker 8: He didn't even do anything, and he is threatening him
Speaker 8: in the most like unequivocal way. Within seconds, I.
Speaker 3: Will I will take the blade from one end of
Speaker 3: your torso to the other, and I will drink the
Speaker 3: blood of God.
Speaker 8: God just direct threats, like instant threats to get the
Speaker 8: guy to do it. He wants it. And Ted, I
Speaker 8: know I said I did it for you and because
Speaker 8: it's the best for you, and I meant that wholeheartedly.
Speaker 8: But I also want you to know Ted that I'm
Speaker 8: putting you with Sid because I thought it would be funny.
Speaker 3: Put you with Sid, because you know what, I laugh
Speaker 3: at shit like that because I think that's funny. I
Speaker 3: think it's funny watching.
Speaker 8: You suffer, watching you have to manage the guy who
Speaker 8: almost kills your friends.
Speaker 3: I want you every fucking time that you're with Sid,
Speaker 3: I want you to think that this is the guy
Speaker 3: that stabbed my friend. Yes, and when you do that,
Speaker 3: think of me laughing my ass off, exactly, laughing as
Speaker 3: hard as I fucking can beget out you. You, my
Speaker 3: friends are suffering.
Speaker 8: And you know what's funniest about it, pal, It's not
Speaker 8: so much that you're forced to be in this situation
Speaker 8: with someone that you can't stand. What's the best part
Speaker 8: of it all is I can force you to do it.
Speaker 8: That I that, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 8: have the power to make you befriend someone who almost
Speaker 8: murdered a good, lifelong friend of yours.
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 8: I have the power to make you pretend that you
Speaker 8: actually get along with him and he's not such a
Speaker 8: bad you know how satisfying to.
Speaker 3: Get you to do something that makes you feel like
Speaker 3: absolute shit. Said, you know, mister DIBIASI no ted the
Speaker 3: million dollar man. Huh you gotta shake hands day a seat,
Speaker 3: not tad. You don't have anycissors on you do you
Speaker 3: let's cut right, Pal, just cut to the chase. Why
Speaker 3: don't we you know, let's just.
Speaker 8: Let's let's take a few stabs at this thing and
Speaker 8: see what we can't figure out.
Speaker 3: I'd like to dive right into the wound.
Speaker 8: Let's not leave too much on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 2: Pal lapsed fan Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and JP.
Speaker 3: Soo, let's not take scissors and stab each other with them,
Speaker 3: all right?
Speaker 8: While we're doing metaphors now said, Uh, we're taking a
Speaker 8: we're taking a leap of faith bringing you back. As
Speaker 8: I think mister DIBIASI can attest, and we've spent some
Speaker 8: time talking about and I don't think mister Debiassi or
Speaker 8: myself can get really full comfort with your presence in
Speaker 8: our locker room and in our organization once again, without
Speaker 8: some you know, straightforward proof that you're able to contain
Speaker 8: your darkest urges and then at times of temptation, that
Speaker 8: you won't give in to things that can harm yourself
Speaker 8: others in the company. So what I'm gonna do, sit
Speaker 8: is I'm gonna slide this pair of scissors across the desk.
Speaker 3: I just want to you know, I want so what
Speaker 3: I want you to do is I'm gonna slide these
Speaker 3: across your desk, All right, Ted, you sit the fuck down.
Speaker 8: Ted trying to get out of there. Ted's trying to
Speaker 8: get the fuck out of there.
Speaker 3: I will fucking kill you right now.
Speaker 8: You can't believe how dark this is getting said.
Speaker 3: I want you to listen, Tad.
Speaker 8: You see this. You see this button on my desk
Speaker 8: when I press it, listen to the door lock.
Speaker 3: And Ted, do you see that my other hand is
Speaker 3: underneath the table. Yeah, you know why that is no exactly.
Speaker 8: I got the matt lower.
Speaker 3: That's gonna fucking make you scream like a bitch if
Speaker 3: you even get up out of that chair. Sit down,
Speaker 3: and shut the fuck up.
Speaker 8: Back to the lesson at hand, said, what do I
Speaker 8: want you to do?
Speaker 3: I want you to look. I'm sliding these extremely sharp
Speaker 3: metallic scissors across my table to you.
Speaker 8: Look at them. Look at them, shine glimmer in fact
Speaker 8: in the lamplight.
Speaker 3: Grab them, hold them in the palm of your hand,
Speaker 3: Squeeze your fist around the scissor. I want you to
Speaker 3: lift it up in the air. All right. I want
Speaker 3: you to then take the sharp end and hold it
Speaker 3: in a stabbing fashion, all right, And I want you
Speaker 3: to turn the point at Ted, turn it at Ted,
Speaker 3: wind up, and the test is here. Will you stab
Speaker 3: him or.
Speaker 8: His looks at him?
Speaker 3: If you feel the need to thrust, you do it.
Speaker 3: But if you don't, don't do it and stay right,
Speaker 3: and we'll be glad to have you back. We'll and
Speaker 3: we'll then you know, I'm giving you the count I'm
Speaker 3: giving you. I'll tell you what I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 3: Fifteen minutes to hold those blades over your head, and
Speaker 3: you in fifteen minutes, Ted, sit down.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna leave the office.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave the I'm gonna this is gonna give
Speaker 3: you complete privacy. I don't want a word to be said.
Speaker 8: He leaves Ted alone locked in an office with Sid
Speaker 8: holding a huge pair of scissors lifted above his head.
Speaker 8: Just to see if they can, you know, coexist stab him?
Speaker 8: Said it needy to prove to me that you won't
Speaker 8: stab somebody.
Speaker 3: I need I need to believe, all right. I need
Speaker 3: to believe that you will do the best possible, make
Speaker 3: the best choice in a terrible situation.
Speaker 8: It's amazing and perhaps apropos of that DEBIASI goes on
Speaker 8: to write, I came to find out that Sid was
Speaker 8: a decent guy. He wasn't a good technical wrestler, but
Speaker 8: he had a chiseled body, conducted great interviews, and had
Speaker 8: respect for the business. He was a legitimate six '
Speaker 8: nine and was very intimidating.
Speaker 3: What's an illegitimate.
Speaker 8: Lifts in your boobs or being announced to six '
Speaker 8: nine when you're not okay?
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 8: He listened to me and worked very hard to improve
Speaker 8: in the ring. He eventually became a two time World
Speaker 8: Wresting Federation Everyweight champion. Well managing Sid, I traveled all
Speaker 8: over the States and even a couple of times to Europe.
Speaker 8: I really didn't want to be what is he fucking
Speaker 8: George Bailey? Maybe a couple of times a year?
Speaker 3: Oh, George, you want to take a grip of year
Speaker 3: if you do a couple of business meetings here and
Speaker 3: there around the.
Speaker 8: Oh you stupid. If someone's boat, who's coming?
Speaker 28: If you are a salary of five thousand dollars a year, God,
Speaker 28: propose that to Sid. To see what happens? Potter negotiating
Speaker 28: with Sid.
Speaker 3: Yes, I, Oh, I don't mean any disrespect, but I'm
Speaker 3: going to offer you a whopping salary of five thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a year. Yes the fuck are you're talking about
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: It's very It's it's more than you can possibly imagine.
Speaker 3: You like, Oh, you like cigars, you want to travel
Speaker 3: roma globe, dig business trips. I'm gonna fucking kill you.
Speaker 8: He so mad. He offers Sid a whopping five thousand.
Speaker 8: He offers vade or a whopper of five thousand, five
Speaker 8: thousand whoppers. Have it your way, well, managing Sid. I
Speaker 8: traveled all over the States and even a couple of
Speaker 8: times to you. I really didn't want to be on
Speaker 8: the road. It pulled me away from my family because
Speaker 8: of my commitment to the company and the fact that
Speaker 8: I needed the money.
Speaker 3: There it is, I think I know.
Speaker 8: Which of the two is the truth. There I sucked
Speaker 8: it up and one on the road. I thought of
Speaker 8: myself that everything would eventually work out in my days
Speaker 8: in the road would soon decrease.
Speaker 3: Well, not quite.
Speaker 11: So.
Speaker 8: They're working with Sid. They're trying to make him somebody
Speaker 8: that fits the mold of what they want out of
Speaker 8: someone in his position on the card, not building the
Speaker 8: whole enterprise around him and his particular needs, his particular
Speaker 8: fits of immaturity, one might say. And part of work.
Speaker 8: Part of that work is getting him to be a
Speaker 8: better extemporaneous speaker on promos, because while we have been
Speaker 8: impressed with some of his work, it is kind of short,
Speaker 8: burst in nature.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: Yes, you can't really picture Sid, you know, telling much
Speaker 8: of a story on a promo beyond just like you know,
Speaker 8: issuing threats and saying it's simple. It's real simple simple,
Speaker 8: that's ample simple. It's simple, And that's the problem, Sid.
Speaker 8: It's always simple, and sometimes it calls from something more
Speaker 8: than that. And I think Cornett, who would work with
Speaker 8: talent producing interviews at the time, uh put it put
Speaker 8: it well when discussing Sit on his podcast, Oh pardon me,
Speaker 8: rong one.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 7: He know he was a perfect promo except if he
Speaker 7: had to go too long or explain One of the guys,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of guys like this. If they have
Speaker 7: to go too long or explain too much detail, it
Speaker 7: robs them of their intensity because they get lost or
Speaker 7: they just get hesitant, as I just was, and that's
Speaker 7: why if you have the little manager to fill in
Speaker 7: the details and do the fucking bridges amongst this monster
Speaker 7: having short, violent verbal outbursts like he could do tremendous
Speaker 7: that's your key there. But one time again, on one
Speaker 7: of the promos, it didn't even matter, like you said,
Speaker 7: whether it made sense, because it sounded so real that
Speaker 7: he was saying it. He actually he did a promo
Speaker 7: and I can't remember what it was, but some way
Speaker 7: or another he told the people in some twisted syntax
Speaker 7: that he was half as smart and half as as
Speaker 7: big as his opponent or whatever.
Speaker 3: In WW it cost Scott Hall to start laughing at
Speaker 3: him in the middle of the ring.
Speaker 7: Yes, but you know, but again it's fucking sid and
Speaker 7: everybody thought he was goofy and out of his mind,
Speaker 7: and because the party was goofy and out of his mind.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, he levered that to the hill. I
Speaker 8: don't know if he knew he was leveraging that when
Speaker 8: he tried to speak on promos, but it worked for
Speaker 8: him when he didn't make any sense because his character
Speaker 8: was somebody who was basically speaking in tongues because he
Speaker 8: was so fucked up in the head and it really
Speaker 8: played to his strength as time went. But the kind
Speaker 8: of thing I think Cornett is talking about is well
Speaker 8: epitomized in the Peak nineteen ninety five SYD clip. And
Speaker 8: we know what this is. This is an in your
Speaker 8: house pre show where he's in the locker room, Jim
Speaker 8: Ross holding the mic and they're alive. They are live
Speaker 8: on this pre show and Sid does not know this.
Speaker 8: This the Sid that claims to not even know WrestleMania
Speaker 8: eight was going to be a big deal until he
Speaker 8: showed up at the building. Thought it was just kind
Speaker 8: of another run of the mill night. Also didn't know
Speaker 8: that the movie from Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho was playing when
Speaker 8: he came to the rim. We all know that this
Speaker 8: is what happens when Sid is in a in circumstances
Speaker 8: beyond his control.
Speaker 20: People say that your desire to control the WWF championship
Speaker 20: is more lack an obsession. Are you obsessed with obtaining
Speaker 20: the WWF title?
Speaker 11: You might say that, Jim Ross, you might say that
Speaker 11: I am obsessed with gaining the World Wrestling Centory.
Speaker 18: Yes.
Speaker 3: First, you see, by winning the title and bringing it
Speaker 3: to the corporation, it gives me a tremendous amount of
Speaker 3: leverage within the World Wrestling Federation. As you know, I
Speaker 3: always like to have the upper hand. And as far
Speaker 3: as me not being able to have bought the title,
Speaker 3: when this man walks in that ring to night and
Speaker 3: walks out with that belt, I will have in fact
Speaker 3: bought the title because he works for me.
Speaker 4: Sim I've got a question for you.
Speaker 20: We all know that you can bring the heavy offense,
Speaker 20: but there are a lot of skeptics that think that
Speaker 20: perhaps you can't take it, that you can't take the
Speaker 20: punishment that Lisa will give you tonight.
Speaker 2: How do you address those skeptics.
Speaker 29: Well, the skeptics and all the people have a little bit.
Speaker 3: Let me do this again.
Speaker 13: Oh it's live how sorry, anybody has any doubt we'll
Speaker 13: get their for tonight?
Speaker 20: Well there he here at a man a p words
Speaker 20: Cicho sand back to Utah, A.
Speaker 3: Few words as possible.
Speaker 8: Please let me do this again. It's a live out.
Speaker 3: It's so fucking like who told him?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 3: Didn't No one told them that they were live Like hello, I.
Speaker 8: Know I kind of think that that should be something
Speaker 8: that is very apparent to the talent when they start
Speaker 8: speaking into a microphone because here's the thing. Even if
Speaker 8: you're at the show and they're interviewing you, it still
Speaker 8: could be put in the can an air rider. You
Speaker 8: don't necessarily know that the whole world is watching. Well,
Speaker 8: why does it have to be live? Exactly right, especially
Speaker 8: if they have the hang ups they say they do
Speaker 8: about Sid speaking, But that's that's that's evidence right there
Speaker 8: of what Cornett's talking about, and debase that he's standing
Speaker 8: there to deliver, like, you know, the general message about
Speaker 8: the WWF title H and why it's important to him
Speaker 8: in the corporation and then Sid can't even get that
Speaker 8: one line out right. And it wasn't even an outburst.
Speaker 8: He wasn't even screaming. He's just trying to speak. Do
Speaker 8: you remember him during Corporation? He didn't really scream that much.
Speaker 8: He wasn't playing that killer. He was kind of just
Speaker 8: like I know he was.
Speaker 3: I mean, they definitely played up the you know, psycho
Speaker 3: aspect of it. Yeah for sure, Yeah, that he was.
Speaker 8: He was kind of just like saying cryptic things, but
Speaker 8: he wasn't like threatening bodily harm every second he opened
Speaker 8: his mouth. And yes, that was the that was what
Speaker 8: Ted was doing. They were a great talker in his
Speaker 8: own right, and somebody that apparently the wwfsaw is able
Speaker 8: to make those bridges and get across the messages that
Speaker 8: that Sid couldn't. I mean, I thought he was just fine,
Speaker 8: and I thought we've heard some clips of him doing well.
Speaker 8: But I think as far as like I'm coming for
Speaker 8: the belt, it's going to be on July twenty first,
Speaker 8: you know it's going to be in Montreal. Like Sid
Speaker 8: wasn't going to hit those He just wasn't no exactly,
Speaker 8: and you know his way and his way is effective,
Speaker 8: but that's not always what the doctor ordered for sure
Speaker 8: in any given moment. So here's Sean Michael's version of
Speaker 8: what ended up happening at SummerSlam. As opposed to wrestling
Speaker 8: Sid for the Intercontinental title. SummerSlam was now upon us,
Speaker 8: and the creative team decided that Scott and I should
Speaker 8: do another ladder match creative team, and there was a
Speaker 8: creative team for sure, absolutely nineteen. Ask me how I
Speaker 8: felt about it. I know we can put on a
Speaker 8: good show, but it's for how I feel about it.
Speaker 8: I don't like it. Sir Sean in his own books,
Speaker 8: and he didn't like the idea of wrestling Scott Hall
Speaker 8: at SummerSlam. Scott and I both believed it was a
Speaker 8: no win situation. We had already done a ladder match
Speaker 8: and we knew we couldn't top it. To me, it
Speaker 8: was a I want to kick out strong on one
Speaker 8: all over again. We didn't make a huge deal about
Speaker 8: it though. It was one of those things if you
Speaker 8: want it, I'll give it to you and I'll make
Speaker 8: it the best I can. This is your show. I
Speaker 8: don't like it, but it's up to you. That sounds
Speaker 8: like a wrestler who knows who actually was his idea
Speaker 8: exactly trying to uh and knows that it's politically sensitive
Speaker 8: if if it's accepted that he pushed for that put
Speaker 8: it in somebody else's mind and mouth as well. So
Speaker 8: it's during the run against Diesel for the WIF Championship.
Speaker 8: Of course, it's not just the in your house matches,
Speaker 8: but they're working all around the horn at that time,
Speaker 8: house shows and the like that Sid suffers yet another
Speaker 8: injury that portends yet another abrupt departure from a major company.
Speaker 8: That that's kind of another example. I think of how
Speaker 8: how challenging it was for Vince and to some degree
Speaker 8: WCW to fit Sid into the hole of like you're
Speaker 8: gonna be a world champion. You know, you're gonna be
Speaker 8: the next toe you get Hogan's spot, or we're putting
Speaker 8: you over Vader and you're gonna have a run like
Speaker 8: Sid is not a guy that's gonna win your belt
Speaker 8: and then go on the house shows, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. It's just, yeah, it's not what people want
Speaker 8: out of Sid. You put the strap on Andre in
Speaker 8: like eighty eighty six and Andre versus every heel is
Speaker 8: in every town across the United States, three hundred days
Speaker 8: a year. It's just not what he's there for. And
Speaker 8: for some reason, they just always especially Vince, was always
Speaker 8: insistent on trying to fit Sid into that modus operandi,
Speaker 8: trying to fit Sid into like somebody who's on the
Speaker 8: road all the time, just like the rest of the
Speaker 8: cast of characters as opposed.
Speaker 3: Weird. It's so weird that he always felt the need
Speaker 3: to like, I don't know, like just like I mean
Speaker 3: to me, it's it's it's cheap to just say he
Speaker 3: always like, you know, he had a had a hard
Speaker 3: on for the for the big men, which I know
Speaker 3: he did, but it's like Sid's different, like much different,
Speaker 3: And it's very odd that you know, because again you
Speaker 3: can't really you can't think of him that in that way.
Speaker 3: He's just he's not a guy who carries anything.
Speaker 11: He just not.
Speaker 8: He doesn't have the depth as a performer as an
Speaker 8: athlete to keep people engaged for months and months and
Speaker 8: months in all the different towns and against all different
Speaker 8: manner of opponents. He's somebody that like will give you
Speaker 8: a quick burst of intensity and a quick thing of like,
Speaker 8: holy shit, I never considered this guy against Sid, just
Speaker 8: like you said about Lex Luger, but to see him
Speaker 8: as part of like the traveling troop twelve months a year.
Speaker 8: Eventually he's going to be lost in that shuffle, or
Speaker 8: at least his appeal what makes him marketable, is going
Speaker 8: to get really diluted in that structure. And yeah, pretty
Speaker 8: soon you end up with Sid wrestling Henry Godwin.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 8: Because he's just not somebody that is a dynamic enough
Speaker 8: performer to stay on the top of the card for
Speaker 8: a long time. He's got to disappear. He's got to
Speaker 8: be somebody, like we've said, who emerges to challenge, like
Speaker 8: the way they booked him in ww's disastrous as his
Speaker 8: WW run was because the company was a disaster. The
Speaker 8: way they worked him against Goldberg made a lot of sense.
Speaker 8: You know, you got a Goldberg who's taking everyone out,
Speaker 8: and in the mind starts going like, okay, who beyond
Speaker 8: the WCW roster could challenge this guy, It's said, is
Speaker 8: perfect to show up because he's seeing this guy run
Speaker 8: a monk and he's here to prove that you know,
Speaker 8: I'm the original destroyer. But after that's over, it's not like, Okay,
Speaker 8: now Sid's going to move on to work with somebody else.
Speaker 8: It's like, no, we we only perceived him as being
Speaker 8: here to achieve one goal, one mission, and he's enough
Speaker 8: of a mad man that when that mission is over,
Speaker 8: be it Seawn Michaels bit whatever. He's coming back for Goldberg.
Speaker 8: He's going to disappear again. You know, he's not just
Speaker 8: going to like, Okay, now I'm in the rankings and
Speaker 8: I'm going to compete for the championship. It's it's it's
Speaker 8: a it's a page. He has a hard time turning.
Speaker 8: And to your point about the Shawn Sid match at
Speaker 8: Survivorshi's ninety six being the final blowoff of this early
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety five angle we just played. That's the thing.
Speaker 8: If somebody else was the champion at the time in
Speaker 8: November nineteenety six, beside Shawn Michaels, Sid wouldn't have found
Speaker 8: himself in the Minivent Challenge for the Strip. It wasn't
Speaker 8: like his time to get a run with the strap
Speaker 8: because he's been climbing the rankings and the fans have
Speaker 8: been clamoring. No one was clamoring see Sid whin the
Speaker 8: belt until they realized that it could be the Sid
Speaker 8: Shawn match, and it could be a passing, it could
Speaker 8: be a passing of the moment of this this genreun
Speaker 8: that a lot of people had kind of gotten tired
Speaker 8: of by the end of nineteen ninety six. So yeah,
Speaker 8: that's that's a that's interesting. Nonetheless, he's out there on
Speaker 8: the road working diesel every night, trying to make it work,
Speaker 8: and they're having cage matches as well to try to
Speaker 8: add some spice to things. And here's said on a
Speaker 8: shoot interview describing what happened one night, well.
Speaker 12: Actually where it happened, was it happened earlier months before?
Speaker 11: It was an Indianapolis I think or Chicago was an Indianapolis.
Speaker 11: It was in a cage match and Kevin hit me
Speaker 11: from behind on the head man. I heard a pop,
Speaker 11: and that's what I would completely numb all the way down.
Speaker 11: I couldn't get off the map, and it's just, you know,
Speaker 11: I didn't know what it was, and just kept getting
Speaker 11: worse and worse and worse. And then I remember I
Speaker 11: was in Albandy and me and Bob was working Bob
Speaker 11: Polly were working out, and I couldn't curl my left
Speaker 11: home would would come out, and that really scared me.
Speaker 11: And then I tried something else and it wouldn't do up,
Speaker 11: and I knew something was wrong, and so then I
Speaker 11: went home and I went to one of the head
Speaker 11: medical clinics in the country, and one of the top
Speaker 11: guys look at it.
Speaker 12: He said maybe.
Speaker 11: He says, you can never rascal me, you know, and
Speaker 11: anybody in the second doctor and the second Payton as
Speaker 11: the maybe guess come on fust to Patslan. Then it's
Speaker 11: a wrestle again. So I called fans are called j
Speaker 11: J said, I'm true Kate wrestling.
Speaker 8: Wow, what do you reckon? That was probably late ninety five, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: because he shows up at Survivor Series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's at Survivor Series. He does the uh, he
Speaker 3: does the uh. That's the wild card tag match. Mm hmm.
Speaker 8: Right, right, and what does he do there?
Speaker 3: He teams with Sean Right. So right teams with Sean Right.
Speaker 3: Because it was like it was like enemies on the
Speaker 3: same side. It was like it was him, Sean, Ahmed
Speaker 3: Johnson and Bulldog I think, m hm against I don't
Speaker 3: remember who. I know one of them was. I know
Speaker 3: Scott Hall was on the other side. Here hold on,
Speaker 3: Seawn Michaels, I'm gonna go. Yeah, and then Yokozuna, Owen Hart,
Speaker 3: Razor Ramon and Dean Douglas on the other side.
Speaker 8: And that's the last pay per view appearance of this
Speaker 8: run that he fix.
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think he was at No, he's not
Speaker 3: at well, No, he's at in your house. He does
Speaker 3: in your house. It's time, it's time, it's in your house.
Speaker 3: It's whatever it is.
Speaker 8: Seasons, beatings, seasons, beatings, seasons, beatings.
Speaker 3: Yes, in the opening tag match, Razor and Marty versus
Speaker 3: the one two three kids in Psycho Sid and then
Speaker 3: he's then it's going and I know he's on the
Speaker 3: Royal Rumble that's going places.
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Speaker 8: The reason I ask all that is because I'm not
Speaker 8: sure I mean this match he's talking about where he
Speaker 8: gets popped in the back of the head by diesel.
Speaker 8: If it's in Indianapolis, he's got the wrong city, because
Speaker 8: I see on history of WW three shows in Indianapolis
Speaker 8: and nine ninety five, and on none of them does
Speaker 8: Diesel work Sid. I see Sid working through December of
Speaker 8: that year with it You with Jeannetti and a Razor
Speaker 8: and Company. But I don't see him working diesel anywhere
Speaker 8: near the tail end. So this career ending injury that
Speaker 8: apparently suffers during the course of this diesel match does
Speaker 8: still allow him to work for months and months and
Speaker 8: months on the House show. On the House House Show circuit,
Speaker 8: he kind of couches it as something that like he
Speaker 8: that happened to him, but he doesn't get it looked
Speaker 8: at until much later when it when it gets aggravated,
Speaker 8: or probably more accurately, when he gets aggravated. He hasn't
Speaker 8: looked at a little more closely, perhaps, but yeah, this
Speaker 8: apparently happens against Diesel on a house show. And I'm
Speaker 8: trying to tall go back to when the last time
Speaker 8: these two would have met in a house show, and
Speaker 8: I'm all the way back in October, and he's still
Speaker 8: not wrestling h He's still not wrestling Diesel anymore. Sid
Speaker 8: and Razors as far back as what is this October?
Speaker 8: The Henry Godwin programs to show up here a little bit.
Speaker 8: Bam Bam. He wrestled a lot in ninety five. He
Speaker 8: had great respect for Bam Bam Bigelow. Interestingly, when he
Speaker 8: was asked who some of the best guys that I
Speaker 8: worked with were, he always said Bam Bam.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he just thought Bam Bam was. It was really
Speaker 8: terrific in the ring, working Razor a lot. We're now
Speaker 8: in September, still not working. So this is Razor beats
Speaker 8: Sean at WrestleMania, right, Razor beat does Sewn win the
Speaker 8: second match at Summers win Sean win the second ladder match?
Speaker 8: Yeah he does. Okay, So Razor then comes back and
Speaker 8: works Sid, probably because Shawn was supposed to work SID,
Speaker 8: but because Sean wins Uh Sean Versid in September in Quebec,
Speaker 8: heres Sean Versid in September in Montreal as Intercontinental Champs.
Speaker 8: So they did have a run on the house show
Speaker 8: circut together after summer Slanmwich, I don't think I really
Speaker 8: knew that interesting Vega. He's working Savio Vega. That's got
Speaker 8: to piss him off. He's working Brett. See, I don't
Speaker 8: see him working Diesel.
Speaker 3: I mean after after July ninety five, why would he?
Speaker 8: Well, sometimes you know, just because it's a house show,
Speaker 8: because the pay per view main events get like kind
Speaker 8: of recycled for much longer on the house shows than
Speaker 8: they are active issues on TV, would be my guest.
Speaker 8: But he got bumped down to Razor much earlier than
Speaker 8: I remember. Diesel, and Michael's beating irs subbing for Sin
Speaker 8: and Tatanka. We're almost there. A lot of subbing for
Speaker 8: SID in July. So maybe maybe he got her around
Speaker 8: there and took some took some matches off. I guess
Speaker 8: that would be okay. Steel Cage, Louisville, July twenty fourth,
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety five, forty attendance Diesel pins sid with DiBiase
Speaker 8: in a steel cage. I'm gonna say it's that one Louisville,
Speaker 8: not Indianapolis, coming off the second in your house, which
Speaker 8: had been in Nashville the night before. And then they rematched.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 8: So here's that pop in his neck. And eventually you
Speaker 8: know he's as he said. You know he's in the gym.
Speaker 8: He's lifting weights with Bob Holly and notices he can't
Speaker 8: can't lift the weight like he usually does, and Bob Holly,
Speaker 8: what about it? Bob. Right in the middle of it
Speaker 8: all was Sean. He was the ringleader. He dictated everything
Speaker 8: that was going on. He'd go out partying every night, drinking,
Speaker 8: taking drugs, getting in fights. He'd show up the next
Speaker 8: day hungover as hell, but still work like crazy. He
Speaker 8: never screwed anything up. Whatever mind said he was in,
Speaker 8: he still went out there and put on the best
Speaker 8: match of the night. He was a machine. Not a
Speaker 8: great ambassador for the company though, and not a great
Speaker 8: influence backstage. The clique just kept on fucking with people
Speaker 8: and wanting to work only with each other, hugging all
Speaker 8: the money. Anybody who looked like he could get over
Speaker 8: and make some money was put in his place. The
Speaker 8: prime example of that was Sid Beauty. Kevin and Sean
Speaker 8: didn't like him. Sid is misunderstood. He's very humorous in
Speaker 8: a sarcastic way, and people take it wrong. He was
Speaker 8: always very good to me.
Speaker 3: That makes him look like an idiot right in the
Speaker 3: way that makes us laugh out of him, exactly like Bob.
Speaker 8: When we traveled together. He knew I wasn't making a lot,
Speaker 8: so he paid for our rental car, the hotel, a
Speaker 8: lot of my meals. I wouldn't have made it without him.
Speaker 8: I owe him a lot. I think I helped him
Speaker 8: out a lot too by keeping him insane. Sid wasn't
Speaker 8: a good worker, but he cut a great promo and
Speaker 8: he had a great look. He was over huged, so
Speaker 8: of course Vince was going to use him a draw.
Speaker 8: I guess. Kevin and Sean didn't like the thought of
Speaker 8: someone else getting a piece of the action, so they
Speaker 8: stepped in. Nash especially felt threatened by him because they
Speaker 8: were both big men, but Sid was over and Nash
Speaker 8: just hadn't worked out as champion. They butted heads a
Speaker 8: lot when they were going over matches. Sid was set
Speaker 8: in his ways and wasn't about to back down to anybody.
Speaker 8: He wouldn't let upper management toward the other boys, push
Speaker 8: him around or abuse his character. After the click push
Speaker 8: Sid out of the main event picture, they kept sticking
Speaker 8: it to him. I guess to prove a point or something.
Speaker 8: In January next ninety six, they pushed it too far.
Speaker 8: He and I traveled to the arena together. Sid came
Speaker 8: up to me. A while after we'd arrived and said,
Speaker 8: how do you want to beat me? You're fucking with me, right,
Speaker 8: I replied no. He said, we're wrestling tonight and they
Speaker 8: want you over. I asked him if he was mad
Speaker 8: at me. Fuck no, he said, it's them, They're fucking
Speaker 8: with me. Fuck this place. I'm done after tonight. I
Speaker 8: wasn't offered. I wasn't offended that he was mad at
Speaker 8: having to lose to me. It was an insult to him.
Speaker 8: Here you have me, who loses to everyone all the time,
Speaker 8: and there you have Sid, this big monster, and you
Speaker 8: had to put me over clean. I was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 8: He was pitching an absolute fit backstage and I was
Speaker 8: caught in the middle of it. We did the match
Speaker 8: and it was fine. I won with a crossbody off
Speaker 8: the top or something like that. The whole time we
Speaker 8: were out there, though. I felt so bad for him.
Speaker 8: It wasn't right what Kevin and Sean were doing to him.
Speaker 8: But what could I do. I did what I was told,
Speaker 8: or I found another job. It was as simple as that. Afterwards,
Speaker 8: Sid came backstage and was selling that he got injured.
Speaker 8: He said he hurt his neck. He was yes, he
Speaker 8: was lying about that, since since we had been traveling together,
Speaker 8: I knew the truth. He just didn't want to deal
Speaker 8: with all the politics anymore, so he left. Long before
Speaker 8: rustle Mania that year. Sid was gone so much of
Speaker 8: that neck injury poutraw Man. Does I'm here to say
Speaker 8: I believe Bob Holly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I almost always believe Bob everybody.
Speaker 3: I I agree with Bob Holly on this one.
Speaker 8: Do you think Sid was playing up the symptoms because
Speaker 8: he was so sick of being Yeah, I mean losing
Speaker 8: to Bob Holly with all due respect, but you know,
Speaker 8: Holly ended up fitting into that Bruno position where it's
Speaker 8: like Sid will make very good friends with you if
Speaker 8: you can be someone that can get him around the
Speaker 8: towns and be his shoulder to not so much cry on,
Speaker 8: but be someone to be a sounding board for his
Speaker 8: bitch vests. I mean, just think of the way like
Speaker 8: he he ordered around Bruno there at the end of
Speaker 8: that first WWF frunt. It's like a gopher times twelve,
Speaker 8: like note you're quitting to we're going to the airport,
Speaker 8: you're leaving. This is the end of the road for you.
Speaker 8: And Bob became somebody else that Sid kind of went
Speaker 8: around with, and yeah, you know, showed some some kindness
Speaker 8: to not unlike you know, Harlem Heat, but it was
Speaker 8: kind of a it was kind of a loose alliance
Speaker 8: and a necessary I think probably like a necessary friendship
Speaker 8: for the road, A relationship of convenience, is really what
Speaker 8: I'm trying to say. But even though Sid has been
Speaker 8: cut loose here from the World Wrestling Federation at the
Speaker 8: end of nineteen ninety five into the beginning of nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety six, it doesn't as to hear Sid put it okay,
Speaker 8: that doesn't necessarily mean the checks stop flowing, Boss. This
Speaker 8: is one of the bigger doozies you'll hear from Sid
Speaker 8: as we describe his life in times. Just give me
Speaker 8: a moment here and we'll we'll soon be telling you
Speaker 8: from a Sean Muoney interview how he managed to somehow
Speaker 8: keep the checks flowing without even showing up.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 10: Well, no, this this is what I'm saying. Sean, You're
Speaker 10: not understanding. And WWF you were you rely everything on
Speaker 10: how Showgate. But even then, Sean, when you were gone,
Speaker 10: WWS could not pay the boys. How the boys got
Speaker 10: paid were they was going the road to take a
Speaker 10: draw and then they take that money home and put
Speaker 10: it in their bank accounts where they could get back
Speaker 10: on the road the next tour. I never knew it.
Speaker 10: I mean you you might not get a check for
Speaker 10: a three, four or five weeks at WWS at the time.
Speaker 10: So when that happened, I told JJ Dillon, I said,
Speaker 10: this is the deal, and they knew that I was serious.
Speaker 10: I said, if I don't get at least one thousand
Speaker 10: dollars a week, I'm not coming back on the road.
Speaker 10: So they did that. So then when I took that
Speaker 10: time off of my next thing, you know, Payroad forgot
Speaker 10: someone didn't tell Payrod to start paying me for a year.
Speaker 10: This is me a thousand dollars a week. Now I've
Speaker 10: got a job, you know, making about same. So I
Speaker 10: was living a really good lifestyle. So I'm sitting there
Speaker 10: at me and my wife's go to this it's called
Speaker 10: Bloomfest in Greenville, Mississippi, where it's all farmers and stuff
Speaker 10: like that. And that's again here it is. It's great
Speaker 10: for me because I was a farmer one time, said
Speaker 10: I'm going back to my childhood stuff. So all of
Speaker 10: a sudden, I get home that Saturday and the housekeeper says, man,
Speaker 10: some kind of invincive. Man's called at least fifty times today.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, I'm thinking he's.
Speaker 15: He wants his running back.
Speaker 10: I really thought that, right, So I said, whatever it is,
Speaker 10: don't answer the phone. So this is before colorad D Right,
Speaker 10: So I'm talking to somebody in the phone beeps and
Speaker 10: I'm thinking, you know, I don't know what I was
Speaker 10: fucking thinking. So I hit it in his fence. He
Speaker 10: goes said, oh shit, yeah, Advance, how's it going, buddy?
Speaker 10: He goes, well, listen, look, I've got a problem. I
Speaker 10: had to fillow the warror again and I need someone
Speaker 10: to take his place. And I think the first show
Speaker 10: was Detroit or something, and Boston was Baltimore. He said,
Speaker 10: I got somebody take the place. I said, this. I
Speaker 10: hadn't been on TD for a year. Tinki, think of
Speaker 10: someone else. He goes, no, sit, I need star power.
Speaker 10: There I'm thinking, well, I was on the whipping post
Speaker 10: before that. You know, surely got somebody has more star
Speaker 10: power than me. He goes, no, I need you. And
Speaker 10: literally what I had to do is grab my stuff.
Speaker 10: They picked me up at the airport and I got
Speaker 10: dressed on the way to the arena. Okay, I'll think
Speaker 10: he'll say, this is it. I want to hear any
Speaker 10: more serious. I said, if I don't get at least
Speaker 10: a thousand dollars a week, I'm not coming back on
Speaker 10: the road. So they did that. So then when I
Speaker 10: took that time off of my neck thing, you know,
Speaker 10: payroad forgot someone didn't tell Pyro to start paying me.
Speaker 10: So for a year, this is me a thousand dollars
Speaker 10: a week. Now I've got a job, you know, making
Speaker 10: about the same. So I was living a really good lifestyle.
Speaker 8: So he's just getting my money. He jumped way ahead
Speaker 8: to the warrior thing and then it restarted kind of state.
Speaker 3: It's very confusing, but okay, all right, he's getting He
Speaker 3: says he had a thousand dollars a week they forgot.
Speaker 8: He said that they basically agreed to pay him guaranteed.
Speaker 8: You know, he's saying there, like I'm not going to
Speaker 8: come back unless I actually can know how much I
Speaker 8: get my bank account, not this bullshit of like I
Speaker 8: get the draw on the road and so I can
Speaker 8: kind of cobble together a regular income by you know,
Speaker 8: going up to the agent at the house show and
Speaker 8: you know, putting my hands together. So yes, sir, can
Speaker 8: I please have my money in advance instead of when
Speaker 8: you pay me quarterly or whatever the cadence was. So
Speaker 8: to him, it's sort of like a regular check he's getting,
Speaker 8: and it sounds like it's a kind of a special
Speaker 8: deal he worked out with. Of course, he mentioned JJ Dillon,
Speaker 8: who before Jim Ross was head of talent relations there.
Speaker 8: And so the way he's telling it is that they,
Speaker 8: even though he stopped going to the shows and their
Speaker 8: four pros contract, should not be getting paid because you
Speaker 8: get paid on the house. They keep sending him those
Speaker 8: one thousand dollars checks because he had this this special
Speaker 8: dispensation that they apparently didn't know to stop. So who
Speaker 8: knows he's getting. He's getting all kinds of money he's
Speaker 8: not saying a word about it, despite is he referenced there?
Speaker 8: Moving on, and we'll talk about what he moved on
Speaker 8: to in just a second, to a different job after
Speaker 8: stepping away due to this career ending neck injury that
Speaker 8: he continued to wrestle on and was more than ready
Speaker 8: to come back for the next summer. So this is
Speaker 8: this is what it means to be SID. So what
Speaker 8: does he do?
Speaker 3: What does he do?
Speaker 23: What?
Speaker 8: It's time for the next chapter. I mean, you've got
Speaker 8: two doctors, boss telling you you should never wrestle again. Okay, no, No,
Speaker 8: that would be in nineteen ninety nine. Now this would
Speaker 8: be custom Chemisine, custom chemicine.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 8: He's a farm boy. He knows what it takes to
Speaker 8: keep crops protected and preserved. He's got the Mississippi Alabama Corridor,
Speaker 8: the Arkansas Corridor unlock. Sid leaves the WWF in nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety five on the aforementioned neck problems and goes to
Speaker 8: work as a salesperson for a company that sells shit
Speaker 8: you put on plants so that i'd spoil. He is
Speaker 8: an ag rep AGG being short for Agriculture rep out
Speaker 8: of Fresno, California. The company was called Custom Chemicides, and
Speaker 8: he was the rep for the whole state of Mississippi
Speaker 8: and Alabama making good money. To hear him tell it,
Speaker 8: he had to take some classes. He went out to
Speaker 8: California to take those classes and got into the whole business.
Speaker 8: And he had a background because he farmed a long
Speaker 8: time before he ever got into a professional wrestling, so
Speaker 8: he had some knowledge to work off of. And he
Speaker 8: gets into the chemical treating business and he got, as
Speaker 8: he put it, a real job doing that for what
Speaker 8: six seven eight months? And if you want to know
Speaker 8: about Custom Chemisicides, boss as, I'm sure the Solar system does.
Speaker 8: What is this company that Sid goes to work for
Speaker 8: in between WWF runs when he's pretending that his life
Speaker 8: is in a series of going back to wrestlings. Let's
Speaker 8: read a quick letter to almond growers that was published
Speaker 8: in the California newspaper right around the time that Sid
Speaker 8: would have been knocking on their door for a job interview.
Speaker 8: This is authored by Don Kemer, who's listed as the
Speaker 8: president of the firm Custom Chemicides. And this is just
Speaker 8: a little example of the public facing material. And we'll
Speaker 8: have more for you that Custom Chemicides was putting.
Speaker 3: The radio and TV ads can go a long way
Speaker 3: toward making the public aware of a product. But if
Speaker 3: you are like I am, the experience of a friend
Speaker 3: or neighbor is important and it will usually make a
Speaker 3: difference to me. For nearly ten years now, I have
Speaker 3: been applying Beeline to our almond orchards during bloom. I'm
Speaker 3: convinced this has helped maintain the bees in the target
Speaker 3: area for a longer period, and it has contributed to
Speaker 3: our consistently good heels. Tell us at our office if
Speaker 3: you'd like to know more about bee Line, B Line.
Speaker 8: B Line, Well sid is making a beeline for a
Speaker 8: new industry, a new specialty. As far as I could tell,
Speaker 8: the big innovation that Custom Chemicides around this time in
Speaker 8: the mid nineties was bringing to market and was probably
Speaker 8: on a hiring spree to propagate, was a product they created,
Speaker 8: not called Beeline, but called frost Guard. And what frost
Speaker 8: Guard would do is fight the frost that comes in
Speaker 8: the colder months that can destroy crops, keep the frost
Speaker 8: at bay so that you can much greater a model product.
Speaker 8: Here's an article that appeared featuring Jeff Kemmer from Custom
Speaker 8: chemicide to the guy who who hired Sid ba real
Speaker 8: ice nucleation inhibitors and activate the ice nucleus associated with
Speaker 8: ice nucleation active bacteria without necessarily killing bacterial cells, necessarily
Speaker 8: killing them, sometimes killing them. This process is like putting
Speaker 8: the bad bacteria in a state of suspended animation so
Speaker 8: they do not perform the ice formation function. Kemera's firm
Speaker 8: markets frost Guard, a frost inhibitor mentioned in the third category,
Speaker 8: under the name custom Chemicides. The product was developed locally
Speaker 8: by chemist Evor Burden, who sold Custom Chemicides and the
Speaker 8: chemical to Kimmer in nineteen eighty three. They expect to
Speaker 8: get their patent from the US government within the week.
Speaker 8: This is not what's that happened? This is not a
Speaker 8: magic juice, said Kemera. Well, it's not interested anymore juice.
Speaker 3: Well Sid, oh, Sid, what's your juice?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 8: It's all Hogan, brother, all gizzy. I heard you're working
Speaker 8: on anti frost.
Speaker 22: Brother.
Speaker 8: I always knew you were a heat magnet, dude, but
Speaker 8: this is.
Speaker 3: Taking a little too far.
Speaker 26: Brother.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 8: You're gonna fight the frost and my oranges? Dude to
Speaker 8: my grove that I got down here on this eighth
Speaker 8: fy twelve, brother, and these bag glides? Dude, did you
Speaker 8: you're gonna fight Frost?
Speaker 11: Brother?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna fight?
Speaker 8: I don't know, Hulk cloaging, Wait a minute, when you
Speaker 8: I just got a few questions about this business. You're
Speaker 8: in business, brother, We worked together for years and you
Speaker 8: you read SID has done no outreach.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 8: There's no reason that Hulk should think Sid going into
Speaker 8: the private sector. Let's say, is any of his business.
Speaker 8: But he calls sit up and he grills him on
Speaker 8: this John.
Speaker 3: Watch you like, take me stepping the dude? What's the
Speaker 3: new biz? Where are you at? Brother? Right? Right? You know,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I hear Big in the a.
Speaker 3: I hear you know, Big Sizz is doing a lot
Speaker 3: more than you're selling wrestling moves. Dude, he's selling ad space.
Speaker 2: Brother.
Speaker 8: Right, let me ask you a question, brother, Are you
Speaker 8: working aghol So?
Speaker 3: Do I understand that you're you're in the agricultural business, dude,
Speaker 3: So does that mean you're working agricultural hall or agricultural nash?
Speaker 8: I mean, do you think, I mean, do you really
Speaker 8: think I'm the only one that would notice?
Speaker 3: Brother? All of a sudden, I hear all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I hear cultural business. Dude. I'm like stroking the stash. Brother,
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, Wade you work on agriculture? Dude? You were
Speaker 3: an Allentown brother? Is he taking TV in Allentown's.
Speaker 8: Going to Ringer's Roost for dinner?
Speaker 3: Brother? Watching the Nasty?
Speaker 8: There's no, there's no Dellan is Nasty? Is sas sister?
Speaker 3: Sister?
Speaker 5: Dude?
Speaker 3: Is that where we're at?
Speaker 15: Brother?
Speaker 8: Did she work at the George Washington motor Lauge?
Speaker 3: How you got in with aghol M?
Speaker 8: He goes to work for an a chemical company called
Speaker 8: Custom Chemicides, and Holt's turn around is tell me how
Speaker 8: you got in with agg Hall? Like, why would you
Speaker 8: be in conversation with the building and you're trying to
Speaker 8: set up a position, like you're talking to Bruno. You're
Speaker 8: trying to start to get another office going.
Speaker 3: Are you doing a run with Bruno?
Speaker 8: He thinks if he says what's going to happen, he
Speaker 8: just keeps guessing because he thinks that if he lands
Speaker 8: on what's actually gonna happen, then he'll get a little
Speaker 8: tell out of it, and you know he'll give it away. Somehow, yep, doing.
Speaker 3: Going to be.
Speaker 8: I mean, like I saw you were the state state
Speaker 8: agg wrap all of a sudden for Mississippi and Alabama's
Speaker 8: pretty close to Florida. Dude, what's the next.
Speaker 3: Step talking people about beating Hulk Hogan becoming hulkch sp
Speaker 3: are you Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 8: Is it any I know one? I know one point.
Speaker 8: Vince promised you that, Brother, it's not an amusable question.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm just trying to get all my eggs in
Speaker 3: a row, brother.
Speaker 8: Because I got a lot going on here, said so
Speaker 8: I need to make sure I got a pretty clear
Speaker 8: path on what the next eighteen brother, And I got
Speaker 8: this sid thing hanging out here.
Speaker 3: The year is planning the next year and a half, brother.
Speaker 8: Right, And I'm looking at this business you're in all
Speaker 8: of a sudden, Brother, and it's it seems to me
Speaker 8: it's tall Hogan to be situated at all like the
Speaker 8: old territories?
Speaker 3: Brother? What it is?
Speaker 8: Brother's running Alabama and Mississippi all of a sudden, Who's
Speaker 8: who's running Florida's where my mind goes to.
Speaker 3: Brother, where is it going now? And what does that
Speaker 3: mean for Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 8: What episode was it when Hulk Hogan had a complete
Speaker 8: tail spin about someone getting a job outside of the
Speaker 8: wrestling business. Oh yeah, the Sid tribute. This is not
Speaker 8: a magic juice, said KEMERA. It's strictly a tool to
Speaker 8: be used along with good cultural practices. Camera stressed the
Speaker 8: importance of plants being healthy and free of insect, heavy
Speaker 8: insect pressure or disease. So frost guard brought to you
Speaker 8: by uh well, a accustomed chemicide spokesperson. Near you a
Speaker 8: crop that, normally, one article reads about the technology, normally
Speaker 8: would be damaged if the temperature drops to twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 8: Once sprayed with a frost protectant, could withstand temperatures several
Speaker 8: degrees cooler.
Speaker 3: My cool, dude.
Speaker 8: So if you can believe it, this is what Sid
Speaker 8: Well cool. This is what Sid goes on to do.
Speaker 8: I cannot imagine him in the polo, you know, because
Speaker 8: he's he's working territories that are always ninety fucking degrees
Speaker 8: and just so humid you can't even breathe. And he's
Speaker 8: walking the fields with the farmers on a Saturday. He's
Speaker 8: like yeah, and they're like, whoa, what a Were you
Speaker 8: a basketball player or something?
Speaker 22: Man?
Speaker 8: Oh my god, what would the would the what the
Speaker 8: Vince McMahon styck.
Speaker 3: Or not where a wrestled? Nor will I?
Speaker 8: Oh my god, you are massive? How tall are you?
Speaker 8: I mean, uh, that's my bus.
Speaker 3: That's what came out of my fucking mouth.
Speaker 4: How tall are you?
Speaker 3: That's not my business?
Speaker 8: Not, that's not yours, that's not my business. My business. Now,
Speaker 8: hag chemicals, talk to me.
Speaker 3: You're gonna do about your frost problems? You're gonna do
Speaker 3: about it? What are you gonna do about your frost?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna take the power of Sid and frosted?
Speaker 3: I won't know where you're gonna go. Where you plan
Speaker 3: to be when Sid frosts? Wow? Well, well said.
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you I'm worried about the colts now
Speaker 8: earler than expect that oh ship and he doesn't kick
Speaker 8: him out.
Speaker 5: You don't understand what it means a frost?
Speaker 8: Okay, but what can I do to protect my crops?
Speaker 22: Man?
Speaker 3: You look me dead in the eye, and I want
Speaker 3: you to understand one thing. You can never recover from
Speaker 3: the frost. I will always be watching you.
Speaker 5: I will never take my eyes off you.
Speaker 3: You will never have the chemicals that I provide Because
Speaker 3: I wrote the chemical world.
Speaker 8: But but, but, but, mister, mister uty, I mean, I'm
Speaker 8: particularly concerned about stone fruits. I mean they're at a
Speaker 8: critical stage. A hard frost could really damage them, Sir,
Speaker 8: A hard frost can really damage them. I didn't say
Speaker 8: anything about softball, sir, heart frost really damaging my apples
Speaker 8: and stone I didn't.
Speaker 3: Maybe I should have softball is the most important.
Speaker 8: Say say say whatever you would say if I said it.
Speaker 3: There is nothing you can't solve with softball. Now you
Speaker 3: won't go play softball?
Speaker 13: All right?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 8: I mean, did you walk in here to play hardball?
Speaker 8: Is the question.
Speaker 3: What I'm tired of you doing is put word in
Speaker 3: my mouth. I'm asking you about softball.
Speaker 8: Do you guys offer I don't know wind machines or
Speaker 8: frost fans. I heard they're good for mixing up the
Speaker 8: air and keeping the temperature.
Speaker 3: That's what SID does.
Speaker 8: I've got a couple of frost fans, but they're not
Speaker 8: enough to cover the whole orchard. Do you have any options?
Speaker 3: It's pain.
Speaker 8: You don't have any sprinklers I can use overnight. I
Speaker 8: heard a light mist can help.
Speaker 3: Is sprinkle your head with pain?
Speaker 8: I heard a light mist can help her packed my
Speaker 8: blossoms from forming a layer of eyes.
Speaker 3: Is it true? What's true or what's not true? All?
Speaker 27: I know?
Speaker 3: What are you doing here?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 3: Came here to sell and I'm not selling to you.
Speaker 8: Do you have frost blankets?
Speaker 5: I'm paint blankets.
Speaker 8: I mean, I've got some row covers for the veggies,
Speaker 8: but the orchard is my main concern. I mean, I
Speaker 8: don't know about the sprinkers. I'm about water right now.
Speaker 8: It's gonna be tough to cover everything in the eye.
Speaker 3: Do you grow? Can? I said? Do you grow?
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with viennas. Is that exact
Speaker 8: fruit or something? I don't understand.
Speaker 3: You know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: Vienna sausages canned.
Speaker 8: I know those. That's a processed meat product that comes
Speaker 8: from from animals, that doesn't come from the ground. I'm
Speaker 8: run an orchard here. I don't even have any livestock
Speaker 8: that alone.
Speaker 3: Understand. Vienna is life.
Speaker 8: Do you have me homeless and Memphis homeless in Memphis
Speaker 8: cana Vienna sausages And do you know how many they're
Speaker 8: eating them? Not because they want to, but because they're
Speaker 8: having to, not because they need you.
Speaker 3: Not because they want to, but because that is what
Speaker 3: the church offers.
Speaker 8: Anything else besides Vienna's, is it?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 8: Is that all they get? Just a can of ennas?
Speaker 3: I want to tell you something.
Speaker 8: Did they at least get a package of crackers too?
Speaker 3: If they people?
Speaker 8: I mean, I would be glad to grow viands here
Speaker 8: if I could get something to value in return.
Speaker 3: You grov church. I'll send you a headshot signed by Sid.
Speaker 8: I know he has an interesting sales approach, doesn't he.
Speaker 8: You talk about round up, he rounds him right up.
Speaker 8: So yeah, is uh? You can picture them in the polo,
Speaker 8: white polo, and just like the heat the heat bugs,
Speaker 8: you know, like when you're a really hot area and
Speaker 8: it's like three in the afternoon. Just it's just like
Speaker 8: these bugs just going deep in the woods. That's it's
Speaker 8: his life. That's his life, of course, And we're gonna
Speaker 8: revisit a little bit of sound you've already heard here.
Speaker 8: That's life until of course this happens.
Speaker 11: And then one day I'd come home from work, and
Speaker 11: usually work on Saturdays all the time, during a busy
Speaker 11: time of farming, Saturdays had Sundays good day to be
Speaker 11: out there with the farmer to help, you know, see
Speaker 11: if he needed anything. And I came in on Saturday,
Speaker 11: my kept my wife's cousin said, Pitts mc man has
Speaker 11: been calling here, said yesterday every five minutes.
Speaker 12: I said, really, hear from eight months wherever it was,
Speaker 12: and the calls, I'm not here.
Speaker 10: This funny.
Speaker 11: I picked the phone call with my buddy's and phone clicks,
Speaker 11: I clicked it over. It was Vince, he said, Sin,
Speaker 11: it was Vince. I hate events and I got a
Speaker 11: big favor from you. I said, what it goes, I
Speaker 11: need you to do a couple of shots for me.
Speaker 11: I said, well, well, all right, when are they He said,
Speaker 11: well tonight and tomorrow. I got like forty minutes to
Speaker 11: make the flight. I said, aby, got my ship, get
Speaker 11: addressed in the car, and they picked me up there
Speaker 11: for it. Next time, the baby boy went home and
Speaker 11: hear more from a couple of weeks, same thing, And
Speaker 11: on Saturday, same thing, and you you do a couple
Speaker 11: of shots the same thing, real quick and but same.
Speaker 12: When I went back, I told him I wasn't. I
Speaker 12: didn't want to come back, you know, I did.
Speaker 11: I would come back, maybe do some bar time stuff
Speaker 11: and vincay no's your full time said things are different now.
Speaker 8: So there again is another instance of Sid getting into
Speaker 8: an absurd amount of detail about how the phone call
Speaker 8: consummated and who clicked over when and all that. I
Speaker 8: don't know why these are important details to him, but
Speaker 8: he tells those details every time. And Vince gets him
Speaker 8: on the horn and says he just needs him for
Speaker 8: something short term. Where did the need come from? You
Speaker 8: already heard it kind of telegraphed a little bit. Where
Speaker 8: did this sudden need come from? Or plug this hole
Speaker 8: that only Sid could plug?
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 21: The whole idea at that time was the that was
Speaker 21: a comic book debacle with Ultimate Warrior, and after he
Speaker 21: tried to hold us up on the comic book money
Speaker 21: and what have you, and demanded all this money from us,
Speaker 21: and then he didn't show up. And then he says,
Speaker 21: three days later, after not returning body's call, well, my
Speaker 21: dad's sick or my dad died someone that he had
Speaker 21: reportedly not been close with and been estranged for many,
Speaker 21: many years. So it was a lot of it is
Speaker 21: Warrior going to show up, and Vince was trying to
Speaker 21: do everything he could to get Warrior just to show up.
Speaker 21: Let's get him to show up, come to work, we'll
Speaker 21: talk about it, we'll work through this and what have you.
Speaker 21: I'm sure that we probably looked at a lot of
Speaker 21: different people for that, but it was who's somebody that
Speaker 21: they would accept be happy to see a surprise. Normally
Speaker 21: it would be a guy like you know, Andy Savage,
Speaker 21: And maybe we just didn't have a whole lot of choice.
Speaker 21: And Vince was like, what about Sid? And he doesn't
Speaker 21: have to do anything but go out and deliver a
Speaker 21: power bomb to somebody and that's it.
Speaker 2: They'll be happy.
Speaker 3: What about Sid?
Speaker 8: It's amazing. How are they talking about the No one
Speaker 8: thought about this.
Speaker 3: Since he injured himself. You know, might as well, you know,
Speaker 3: fork over a few bucks. He was going on.
Speaker 8: Well, Vince, he told us last time, but to doctor
Speaker 8: as much as his career.
Speaker 3: Car bomb. Maybe take a bump or two, maybe, you know,
Speaker 3: drop off the you know they got they got, dive
Speaker 3: off the top, turn buckle to the floor, nothing nothing serious,
Speaker 3: land in his head, straight in his head. He doesn't
Speaker 3: know about this, was about that and he doesn't need
Speaker 3: to know about this. But we're gonna bring in Kenny Gobashi.
Speaker 3: That is a he's an entertainer from Japan, and you
Speaker 3: know what we're gonna have. He does this spectacular uh
Speaker 3: you know, flipping maneuver where he you know, he gives
Speaker 3: you a half of a Nelson and then he just
Speaker 3: drops you on your head and we're going to have
Speaker 3: Sid take that be me entertaining.
Speaker 8: It would be quite quite entertaining. Entertaining, is right? So yeah,
Speaker 8: let's just talk right through what Sid says is a
Speaker 8: career ending injury and give him a call, and what
Speaker 8: do you know, Holy presto, he jumps right in the
Speaker 8: plane immediately. Isn't well he's working in chemicals. I said,
Speaker 8: oh yeah, pal, well, I got a lot of chemicals.
Speaker 8: It's nothing compared to the chemicals I can dangle. It's
Speaker 8: more like my chemical romance. As it regards Sid in
Speaker 8: the w B. Here's more from Bruce.
Speaker 21: All right, the whole idea at that time that was
Speaker 21: a comic book.
Speaker 3: Sorry, already did that.
Speaker 27: And so.
Speaker 8: Sid's back and here's how it sounded. This is what
Speaker 8: it would found by even though he was supposed to
Speaker 8: just come in for a couple of shots, non televised
Speaker 8: quick matches to a power bomb, keep the people happy,
Speaker 8: fill that Warrior gap, right, because there are people still
Speaker 8: that bought tickets thinking Warrior was going to be in
Speaker 8: these house shows and they're firing him, so they're gonna
Speaker 8: show up pissed. Potentially, these fans, who can we put
Speaker 8: out there that will feel like a replacement for your value?
Speaker 8: And yeah, Sid kind of hits that same nostalgia. Chord
Speaker 8: hadn't seen him in a long time suitable replacement. But
Speaker 8: we know Vince and if you have that kind of
Speaker 8: value on one show, he's gonna want you whenever show.
Speaker 8: We've established this, So we just wanted to come in
Speaker 8: for a couple of shots to plug holes for us,
Speaker 8: turns into we need you back full time, turns into
Speaker 8: we need to pretend you never told us that you
Speaker 8: had career ending injuries to this happening. It was the
Speaker 8: International Incident pay per view. A six man tag was
Speaker 8: penciled in. Shawn Michaels, I'm at Johnson and the Ultimate
Speaker 8: Warrior were to face Yokozuna, Owen Hart and Jewish Bulldog
Speaker 8: or Vader. It was not Yokazu in Invader and due
Speaker 8: to the Ultimate Warriors firing for reasons referenced there by
Speaker 8: Bruce Pritchard. We've gone into it one hundred times over
Speaker 8: ten years on the show. You know the story. There's
Speaker 8: a need once again for a big man to fill
Speaker 8: those shoes, and this is what it sounded like that
Speaker 8: summer of nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 23: Welcome back every one to more Monday Night, Rod, Jim
Speaker 23: Cornett back in the locker room area. You don't seem
Speaker 23: too upset over whom Shawn Michaels and I'm Matt Johnson
Speaker 23: are gonna choose as a partner.
Speaker 4: Why would I be upset?
Speaker 24: It's been a real productive night for Camp Cornett because
Speaker 24: the Ultimate Warrior's out of the picture in more ways
Speaker 24: than one.
Speaker 5: And Sean Michael Zaman.
Speaker 4: Johnson, they're just buffing.
Speaker 7: They're trying about time.
Speaker 24: They ain't got no partner, they don't have anybody to
Speaker 24: do themors not kid, because nobody in our right mind
Speaker 24: would step into that spot to be their partner and
Speaker 24: that six man tag after what we just did a
Speaker 24: little while ago to the Warrior, I happen to know
Speaker 24: that all the ww have superstars, they already have prior commitments, so.
Speaker 4: Nobody to right mind would step into it.
Speaker 24: All the other guys are taking so Shawn Michael's Iman Johnson,
Speaker 24: you're bluffing.
Speaker 5: July twenty first International Listen.
Speaker 4: I promise you this.
Speaker 24: The three members of Camp Cornett are gonna take real
Speaker 24: good care of the two of you kids.
Speaker 7: You're coming to a gang fight and you're forgetting to
Speaker 7: bring your own gang.
Speaker 23: Oh yeah, all right, thank you very much. Let's take
Speaker 23: you out of Sean Michaels. I'm at Johnson standing by, Gentlemen,
Speaker 23: are running out of time.
Speaker 4: Whom have you chosen?
Speaker 29: Jim Cornett, We don't bluff. This is the World Wrestling Federaction.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 29: You gotta know when to hold him and no one
Speaker 29: to fold them. And you should have folded. Surprise, surprise,
Speaker 29: Look what we have for Camp Cornet.
Speaker 5: Cicho.
Speaker 18: You're looking at that figure, probably asked yourself, shining Michael, what.
Speaker 4: Are you gone?
Speaker 3: And done? Yeah twice.
Speaker 18: And he's released me this time For you Cornett and
Speaker 18: the Cornett camp, there's nothing.
Speaker 4: There's no good news.
Speaker 5: I canna hear you.
Speaker 3: How could hear you screaming out?
Speaker 7: Help?
Speaker 3: Health? There?
Speaker 29: I much rather be on this tea.
Speaker 12: Believe there's Joe.
Speaker 5: Why aren't you?
Speaker 4: Gentlemen and Jeff Cornet put the corner back ye me,
Speaker 4: what are you trying to do to me?
Speaker 30: Carloman, somebody tried to camp Cordon.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna get in a ring with that guy.
Speaker 4: He's a nut. That's why he hadn't been in the
Speaker 4: w WM.
Speaker 3: He's been locked up.
Speaker 30: Somebody getting tradment putting elect rooms to his hand. They've
Speaker 30: tried it down the gas tap of the election chair.
Speaker 30: But I'm gonna tell you something right now, I gonna
Speaker 30: put up with this. There's no way the camp Corde
Speaker 30: is gonna be ford to getting the regular second Monster
Speaker 30: Chot said.
Speaker 4: I'm calling Clarien Jason.
Speaker 6: I'm doing whatever I gotta do about I'm sick.
Speaker 8: And for the run that was just supposed to be
Speaker 8: one power bomb, do as little as possible, It turned
Speaker 8: into the run of Sid's career, as he would soon
Speaker 8: be WWF champion and the die would truly be cast
Speaker 8: on what he meant as a pro wrestler. That's next
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