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Speaker 1: It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn

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Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.

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Speaker 3: You never seen anything.

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Speaker 4: And it's the laps fan man like the one in

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the ring.

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Speaker 5: Forget about Sado.

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Speaker 6: He the real king of swing when the bell goes

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in with the kick like me throon in the corner.

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Speaker 5: But it's lash like stick.

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Speaker 4: Even Jerry King can take off the crowd nodded in.

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Speaker 7: His head like it.

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Speaker 5: Steve low Brown would get.

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Speaker 4: Low down, go even high up, flipp you on your head.

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Speaker 8: But you know cool, drive, speak out and Dragon spits

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fire give you more shock than when Edge treats higher

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dropping more truth than the con of sniper unless you

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would a coconut.

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Speaker 5: Roddy Piper, Jack a JP.

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Speaker 2: He like j Y d drop the.

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Speaker 4: Cupcakes and gold the brain.

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Speaker 6: Bob Beans the best podcast first start to close round

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you all.

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Speaker 5: He's a classic and post do.

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Speaker 9: You know what?

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Speaker 8: A former w CW Operations employee by the name of

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Richard Steinberg told the website Pro Wrestling Stories dot Com

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that Sid was wailing in the back of the ambulance

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after the stabbing incident with dron Anderson in England. He

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was not only not only did it occur to Sid

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to scream, I don't want to die.

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Speaker 3: It's so awful. It's so it's like, it's so awful.

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Speaker 10: Lab at that.

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Speaker 8: But according to this Richard Steinberg, Sid also had this

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thought crossed his mind. And you knows, I'm messed up

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my big chance to be w CW World champion.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, No he did not.

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Speaker 8: For Sid, he knew and that ambulance that plans couldn't,

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you know, stay on the rails. If he wanted to

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preserve the opportunity to win the world title, perhaps you

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shouldn't have come back from the stabbing and demanded more

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money the WCW was willing to give him at the

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contractual bargaining table. Yeah, as we talked about last time

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in our TLF tribute to Sid, there certainly were more

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chapters to the story after the late October scissor fight

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for lack of a better term between Sid, Vishes and

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arn Anderson, which of course procruited his WCW departure in

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nineteen ninety three, and for all we know his departure

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from the business. Because now Sid's got to be kind

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of a third rail, right, I mean yeah, I mean

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arn Anderson, a deeply respected veteran in the business, with

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friends in all the offices. He almost killed the guy.

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I mean, it's going to be tough getting booked again, right,

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he would think, so.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I can't imagine there's any now he's done.

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Speaker 8: It's not like he still has the run of his

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life and those world title reigns still ahead of him,

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of course, right, Not like he's good. It's not like

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he has probably what accounts to like eighty percent of

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his career earnings and the wrestling business still ahead of

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him after doing that. It's not like the wrestling business

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teaches us these lessons. It's not like people are, you know,

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texting me saying, I watched the Vince Netflix thing. I

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don't know nothing about wrestling. You supported all this, you

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knew about all this. This wasn't new to you. This

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wasn't new to you.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Remember that it's not new.

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Speaker 8: As we talked about Ollly Anderson had been fired from WCW,

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Bischoff had taken over, and there's some negotiating going on

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with Sid and the Eric Bischoff run WCW and According

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to what Sid has said and showed interviews, the dialogue was, hey,

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we don't have you on contract. I guess only never

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had you sign a piece of paper, which is another

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tribute to his brilliant administrating over the years. And Sid

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has said that he replied, I know that. He said

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they wanted to sign me for three hundred thousand. I said, no,

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I'm not going to do that. I want the five

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hundred thousand which I was promised.

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Speaker 3: So I want I want the two million a year

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that I promised myself.

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Speaker 8: Only promised you two million. If I call only right.

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Speaker 3: Say that, I said, I promise myself two million.

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Speaker 8: Well, what did only promise you?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what I promised myself offer that.

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Speaker 8: Is there a chance by the time this conversation's over,

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said that you're going to change what you promise yourself again.

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Speaker 3: I gonna tell you something right now. Ah, never promise

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anything ever.

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Speaker 8: And say that again. However, everybody else has to promise

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you the world for you to get up off the couch.

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I didn't promise that and make the town.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say that.

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Speaker 8: I didn't promise that. You have to promise me anything.

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But it doesn't hurt and do it first.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I was not expecting.

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Speaker 8: So right, that's the blow up, right, you know, only

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said three hundred thousand. We don't have a contract here,

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we'll give it to you. And he says, no, I

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want five hundred thousand. That's what I was promised. And

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so that's it right now, we can't do that. No, no, Bishoff,

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according to Sid, turns around and says, okay, fine, five

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hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: Oh Jesus.

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Speaker 8: But the next week they go overseas for the tour

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and then the fight, and then he's brought into the

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office subsequent to the fight. This is according to Sid,

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and shoot interviews, and it's after the fight with On

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that they say, okay, you can keep your job, but

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you're going to go back to three fifty instead of

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five hundred.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: This this is three fifty after they started at three.

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According to Sid.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And you know Sid, you know reads the landscape, says,

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you know what I mean, geez, I was in there.

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Speaker 3: What fine, I'll tell you what. I don't mind taking you.

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You say you're going to give me a demotion. Fine,

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you want to give Sidvisi's demotion. I understand. I will

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get a demotion with a price of four hundred thousand

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dollars here right from three hundred.

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Speaker 8: Thousand he did. He didn't say you want to give

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Sid a demotion. He says you want to give Sid himself.

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You want to give Sid demotion. Isn't there a huge

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difference between a demotion and demotion?

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Speaker 3: Huge difference.

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Speaker 8: I don't think we spend enough time thinking about why

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there is such a big difference between those two phrases.

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And there's a big difference for Sid too. So you know, geez, right,

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like you said, he goes over there, he fucks up massively.

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According to this one WW employee, he's wailing in the

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ambulance about how he blew the shot at the biggest

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money in his career and the world title and all

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of that. And so you know, obviously when they say, fine,

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you can keep your job, but you're going to go

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to three point fifty, of course Sid says yes. Of

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course Sid is grateful that they're still willing to employ

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him after he nearly murdered another wrestler on their watch.

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Or does he say no five hundred or I'll fucking quit.

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Speaker 3: I'm with the five hundred, I'll fucking quit all right,

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that's just you know, that's just practical.

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Speaker 8: So you can say you fired Sid because of the stabbing,

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but what you really did is fire Sid because he

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wouldn't give you a discount after the stabbing.

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Speaker 3: Idiots.

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Speaker 8: That's the wrestling business. And Sid taught us so much

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more about the wrestling business than I think we realize

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by being this way at the negotiating team. So Sid

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stabbing someone had consequences, right, he's banished, he's unbookable. Or

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did this whole stabbing just create the gimmick he would ride?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know what should do? We should have

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to bring this guy back because you know what he's

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Speaker 11: Murderer, was I guess just from everything that you've been

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saying so far, it seems like was that your idea

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as far as uh now, it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't like that.

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Speaker 11: I do because you we all know it was a

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rib on me. You know, the psycho deal with the

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fucking scissors rib.

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Speaker 12: You know, we went back to second time.

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Speaker 11: See I was old Vince and everybody I will not

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be called psycho said we were really called Sid vicious

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or just came of dealing with said Vicious is copyrighted

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by a punk boxing. I said, the guy's dead, you know,

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all right, Well we find out his mother owns and

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something like that. Well, I don't care what you do.

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I just would be called shiit. You know they try

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to refer mostly to sit but then other people with

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you know, Actually I didn't mind the cycle sid Okay,

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there's a baby face in some buildings that really had

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a great act when people really got with it instead.

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Speaker 12: I didn't mind, but I wasn't stupid enough that to

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fuck you know Cambine.

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Speaker 8: Right, So let me translate, and let me attempt to translate.

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And the reason I cut Vince office because there's exactly

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keeps speaking to exactly what Vince is good about to say. Essentially,

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I mean, now we have a psycho in our hands.

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Speaker 3: You know, here's a legitimate modified psychopath. Okay, make this

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shit up. Can't book this kind of shit?

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Speaker 8: Nearly we got it. Listen, Bruce, a little pat, everybody,

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come on in, jj H, Nelson, Swigler, come on in. Pal.

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He nearly killed.

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Speaker 3: Someone, Pal, How do you feel about that? What does

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that mean to you? Right? I don't have any I say,

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someone nearly killed somebody? What does it do to your insides,

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let alone arms inside? I mean, I don't have a

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lot of levers to pull anymore, Palell, the federal government

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is breathing down my neck. We can't have well, the

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the size we used to have. We've got to find

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a different hook. And I think we found it. What

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a psycho path?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: But you know what I could interrupt Evince. I mean

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we were calling him psycho Sid when he was here

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the first time. I mean maybe against Hogan we called

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him psycho Sid.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know we called him the psycho Sid Justice, Yes,

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but now he's just psycho Sid. He embodies all sids.

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Speaker 8: Now do you think we embodies all sids? So do

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do we try to slip this in and kind of

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hope he doesn't notice this characterization?

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Speaker 3: And I mean, you slip in with him? Is your business?

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Speaker 8: I should remember Patterson doing that. I want to watch

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the lightning? What I want to come out of the

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porch and watch the lightning.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know you can porch whatever you feel necessary.

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Speaker 8: Can you see the hockey stadium from there?

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Speaker 3: Pal I mean, what do you? Yeah, what what kind

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of athletic endeavors are?

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Speaker 14: So?

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Speaker 8: Do you want to just hope Sid doesn't notice that

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we're calling him Psycho, or should we just I don't know,

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give him the music from Psycho in the movie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think we have a multitude of opportunities

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here to embellish and vibe and perhaps reach another plateau

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of creative authority right in the in the pro entertainment fields.

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That what we could do is actually maybe I got

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here here. I mean, consider this, right, So he's Psycho,

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said right, he's the psychopath. He is psychotic, he comes down,

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and what if we his music is from Psycho, and

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what if bear with me? He's actually missus bates, So

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my mother baits. So he wears the wig and carries

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a knife, and he wears a momo. I just think

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that's fair, that's fair, he says. Let's have creative services

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draw that up. You know, there are sketches somewhere of

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sit in a moomoo. They paid some like graphic design

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hopeful like thirty grand a year to draw like pictures

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of sit in a fucking momoo. Oh, I would hope

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to God, Yes, that's.

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Speaker 8: Something to think about. Well, I don't think here's the

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thing and we'll get to it. I don't think they

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have to worry that Sid even knows what the movie

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Psycho is, let alone with the signature sound, which was

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replicated in his returning WWF Entrance theme of course in

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nineteen ninety five, even was. But what he's saying in

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that clip is, of course three things at once. One

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is absolutely Sid's out of Sid's mouth. They called him

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psycho when he came back because of the Sid stabbing incident.

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and he tried to say that, I know people will

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say that that's not where it comes from. But I'm

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not fucking stupid enough. I'm not so stupid. Rather, I'm

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not stupid enough. I'm not that stupid. I know that

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you're having a laugh at my expense by calling me

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psycho and giving me this kind of gimmick when I

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come back. Because say what you will about Sid Justice

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and how much of a wrecking force he was boss.

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He didn't twitch his eyes like this Sid does. It's true,

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what did you notice as someone that was, you know,

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sent into an uncomfortable place by Sid Justice?

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the time, I just, you know, really what I noticed

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and what was disappointing his hair, his hair really I

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just hated. I hated the shorter hair. I was a

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fan of that. You know, angular you know that pyramid

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look he had.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, like you know, like he's a sphinx with

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the fucking thing. Yeah, yeah, I liked. I liked that

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ninety two look. I don't know what to tell you.

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It's probably you know, you know, I'm sure it's a

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deplorable thing. But that's that's what sid is to me.

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in ninety five, I was like, eh, under, guess we'll

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Speaker 8: But yeah, it's like it's like Hogan coming back, so

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like thin and ninety three and yeah, coming back without

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it's inappropriate and it's perverted.

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Speaker 8: It's like Hogan when he starts wearing the wristband, the

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spot fans on his wrist, It's like, Okay, something's going

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on here. This is not this is not the signature

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presentation that uh, that's burned into my memory bank forever.

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not right away, as we'll get to after the nineteen

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ninety three stabbing incident in WCW, but he does return

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to the World Wrestling Federation, and, as Sid put it

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in many shoot interviews over the years, he was on

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the whipping post for this run. In other words, he

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felt sort of limited in how much of a protest

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he could voice when he would be put further down

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the card or asked to do jobs, whatever the case

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might be, because he was damaged. Goods WW wasn't sitting

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there waiting to hire him back, or at least he

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didn't think so. I'm sure he thought he'd never be

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welcomed that locker room again, trically, as long as arn't

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Anderson worked at WCW. And we'll see about that, won't we. Indeed,

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it's the sands of time go through the Sid hour

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glass here and the lapsed fans tribute to Sid Udy

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Psycho Sid said justice. We're about to learn all about

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Psycho Sid as we continue, and just to shout out

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and thank everybody for all the positive feedback thus far.

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show over ten years unfolding before our eyes. You know,

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you know, we want to pay tribute to Sid. We

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think we know the show to do it, and then

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we just keep going until we're done, and we don't

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cut any corners, and we don't falsely accelerate, and we

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stay in until we finish.

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Speaker 3: Always it's the only way you can.

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Speaker 8: That's always how we've done it. And we can do that,

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and we're emboldened to do that because we know that

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out there in the wider world is a lapsed fan

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solar system that's willing to put money on the table

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to say, look, this is what the approach is worth.

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You know, if you have any quibbles with how we

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approach what we do, just look at the cold hard

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cash and you tell us who's on the right side

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of history, and it's patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan.

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That's where to go to prove your worth. That's where

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you go to prove worthy of the efforts we put

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in and participate in the virtuous circle that allows it

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to go to the next level. So much popping on

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the Patreon and we're always obliged to remind you about

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it here on the main show. If you haven't jumped

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in the holidays, is a great time to do so.

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Oh yes, the last couple of quarters of the year.

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For no lesser reason, of course, than for the executive

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producer tier and above, which is the mote tier as well.

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Under the cinemat is rocking and rolling in the seasonal fashion.

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Speaker 3: Boss. We are indeed, we are, indeed, we are, we

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are coming up. We're at the halfway point for this

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year's scary movie season offerings, and I'm gonna keep it

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a surprise. It's it's gonna be quite fun. Although we

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just recently dropped Alice, Sweet Alice, what do your remember?

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What are your what are your memories of that of

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that extravagance.

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Speaker 8: It was just such a great window into experimentation with

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the genre that exploded in the eighties, but in the

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seventies was still kind of pulp, still kind of uncomfortably

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out of sync with what films from that time time

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period and of that vintage and of that look are

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supposed to be representing and they're supposed to be after

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and it's just you don't expect kind of like the

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horror tropes with that that film stock right right.

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Speaker 3: That that that and that's what I kind of talked about,

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was that it just felt there was something different about

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it because of that, and very uncomfortable. And but you know,

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Alice is sweet and she had her communion.

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Speaker 8: Oh yes, her sister, however, did not make it. No,

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she does not make spoiler alert. Yeah, and so we

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got we got a couple more starring Argentina Rocca. By

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the way, Oh yes, indeed one of the uh more

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most famed wrestlers to ever work Madison Square Gardens. So

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what a nice excuse to get into the history of

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one of the bigger carnies ever worked the territory.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what a what a what an absolute you know,

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what a what a maniac? He was just just I couldn't.

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Speaker 8: The more the more I read, the more I was

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just blown away those tales. He may have been shortened stature,

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but his tails were tall indeed.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, once uh, once November rolls around again,

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we will finish up our James Bond journey.

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Speaker 8: Clay claimed, you got to get out on this man,

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especially as we round third and do the Daniel Craig ones.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's it's uh, it's a good time. It's

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a good time to look into it, and a good

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time to join up. And and uh, you know, mixture, mixture,

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your your in ring carnies with your Hollywood carnies, because

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they're all one of the same.

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Speaker 8: Oh god, I know, isn't that? The brilliant part of

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Under the cinemat is, Yeah, is how much crossover we

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find between the two worlds of movie making and pro

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wrestling making. I guess you could say, and hey, what's

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the what's that? What's that faint faint jingle jangle I

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hear in the distance? Perhaps beyond scary movie season, perhaps

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beyond the conclusion of the Bond Journey.

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Speaker 3: I think you know what I mean. We're certainly closer

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than we were a few months ago to Christmas movie season.

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Speaker 8: My god, And if that's if that's not a reason

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to subscribe. And I'm not sure we even want you

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as a listener, honestly, because if you don't get that,

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I don't know if you get much. And you need

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to know that your co chairmen are not unmindful of

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the weather having turned, and how much earlier than most

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we have to start considering the holiday season to deliver

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one that is in proportion with prior holiday seasons. Here

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at the Lapsed Fan, it's always a time of great

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effort and jubilation and community and fellowship, and certainly this

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year's Christmas show coming to you towards the end of

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the year is going to be no exception. If you're unfamiliar,

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folks in the Solar System, send to our po box

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sundry gifts for us to unwrap and react to live

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on the pod, and it's just it's one of the

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most beautiful things in podcasting. It has to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Yeah, it has to be, and it

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will be, and.

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Speaker 8: It will be, it will be. We've already got bullets

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in the chamber, folks wasting no time to make sure

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they make it onto that that first run live. Boss

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and I in the same room recording session. And if

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you want to get your gift to us, you're you

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have a little less time than you think, because if

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past this prologue, we're probably going to record this before

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the middle of November, so you don't have a lot

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of time left. The address is the Lapsed Fan PO

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Box one one nine seven ten Main Street, South Southbury,

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so O U T H B U R Y, Connecticut.

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Zero six four eight eight. Again the Lapsed Fan p O.

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Box one one nine seven ten Main Street, South Southbury, Connecticut,

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zero six four eight eight. Do get your packages to

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us quickly so that when you co chairman, light the hearth, okay,

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light the heart. It's going to happen one more time.

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And we've got you guys in the Moat tier, the

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tip top tier, the most expensive tier, the one that

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lets us know, okay, if we really need to identify

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our ride or dies, We've got a nice convenient list

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here of folks that are willing to put that kind

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of cake on the table. And we always keep special

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considered in mind, I think, as we've proven for our

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friends in the Moat Tier around the holiday season as well.

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Oh yeah, never too early to think about that. And

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if you're wondering about the lapsed fan in your life,

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there's pro wrestling teas, there's chop teas, there's cameo. There's

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no shortage of ways to get your hands on things

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you can proudly fly the flag with. I understand quite recently, Boss,

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you even managed to get a TLF jacket into the

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frame of some unrelated promotional material.

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Speaker 3: I did. Indeed, I went to go see our our

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brother in arms Omar in a play. And you know,

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after the show, they were asking some you know, people

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who were in the audience if they wanted to, uh,

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you know, cut a little testimonial promo about the show,

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and I said, all right, And I was wearing my

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LAPSE Fan windbreaker jacket, and I made sure to keep

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that logo front and center, so excellent, always always representing

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the brand.

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Speaker 8: That's the kind of behavior we expect out there. You

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go to live wrestling shows, We're always thrilled to see

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folks get into camera frame or even just to send

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us pictures on social media of them flying the TLF

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colors at events, or even better, buy one of the

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shirts where people don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah,

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and the chances are high that you'll meet the one

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or two TLF fans in the house who are I

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think the most likely to be the most worth making

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your acquaintance with. Okay, for sure, in an arena full

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of pro wrestling fans, I'll pick LAPS fan listeners every time.

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And I feel like I can say that even if

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I wasn't the co creator and co host of the show,

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I feel like I was just if I was just

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a listener, that would still be a very solid guide engage.

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I think that's fair based in the quality of people

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we have met over the ten years doing this show,

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and of course, very high on that list is our

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good friend Gabe, who we've been trying to keep you

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apprized of as he goes through a very challenging open

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heart surgery. You've known Gabe over the years as we have,

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and early indications are that he got through the procedure

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and is recovering. We hope to get some more solid

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updates as time goes, but again we would urge you

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to try to help soften the blow for his family

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and his wife with their young child. They've got a

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lot to rejigger now with him, you know, in recuperation,

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and they go fund me is up just going to

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Google and type Gaby Oakum Yocum go fund me and

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you can find ways to contribute to one of the

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most solid t Left listeners, one of the most solid

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listeners any podcast really could ever hope to have, And

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so best wishes on the recovery. If Gabe you're able

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to hear this, I'm sure they have quite a bit

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of catching up to do and yeah, I don't know, Boss,

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should you listen to t LF while recovering from Obenhart surgery.

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I feel like that, yes, that could be painful. It

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could be painful, but I think that's kind of the idea,

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isn't it. That's a great point right there.

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Speaker 3: It's not meant to be fun.

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Speaker 8: That's a great point. Well, you know, I always try

472
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,440
to keep in mind the possibility that people who might

473
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,680
not be acquainted with the philosophy the ethos of the cast,

474
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,880
and they hear us say things like it's about pain,

475
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,960
it's not supposed to be fun. I don't think we

476
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:57,880
take enough time to remind people what we mean when

477
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,599
we say that for those who might not have been

478
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,359
there and gestational stages to hear us kind of lay

479
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,039
down the philosophical groundwork. If you wouldn't mind, Bossed, just

480
00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:11,279
a quick treatise on that. Well, you know, I think

481
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,119
folks forget. I think folks forget when they start complaining

482
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,400
and sniping and throwing the stink eye.

483
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 3: It's true, you know, people people say shit, People like

484
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:26,559
to point out stuff and listen, we're not here for you, Okay,

485
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,839
we're here, and we're not We're certainly not here to

486
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,000
give you pleasure, because that's not what life is, right.

487
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,480
Life is not about enjoyment. Life is not about having

488
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:37,079
a good time.

489
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 8: Anybody who's ever tried to make their bones in your

490
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,680
life by constantly offering you pleasure will be out of

491
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,000
favor and boring the shit out of you within eight months.

492
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and anyone who says you only live once, I mean,

493
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,319
they're absolutely right, But that doesn't mean you get to

494
00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:02,599
enjoy it. It's about suffering. It's about understanding that what

495
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:10,440
you enjoy in one moment is gone after it's done right.

496
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:16,559
You will never ever get that sort of enjoyment again.

497
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:21,480
And that hurts because you'll try, you will try as

498
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:25,359
hard as you can, but you won't get there. And

499
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:29,359
so we are here to remind you of that, the

500
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,680
fact that, oh my god, it was good, and you

501
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:36,319
can't have it all day. I could listen to it

502
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,920
all day, all right, And this is the thing. You

503
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:42,839
know what you want to feel good, You want to

504
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,079
understand what you know. You want to enjoy your next moment.

505
00:25:47,319 --> 00:26:00,640
You need pain without pain, without the absolute detrimental suffering.

506
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,160
You can't enjoy the smallest bit of pleasure I.

507
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,559
Speaker 8: Mean, just think about the people who reach the absolute

508
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:14,720
heights of stardom and how perverted they become. Just think

509
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,319
about that, Just think about how far they have to

510
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,720
stretch the old every day, yes, the Overton window in

511
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:24,319
terms of what they go for. It's because what you

512
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,279
think is pleasure, if you had unfettered access to it

513
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,119
without intermittent pain, you would actually find yourself trying to

514
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:35,359
insert the pain so that the pleasure actually felt deserved,

515
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,160
and so that you could discern the pleasure from the pain,

516
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,920
because they share way more in common than they do

517
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,359
a part. Absolutely, pain and pleasure are the exact same.

518
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,599
And told, maybe that last step across the threshold and

519
00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:50,920
the thing is where we thrive the most is on

520
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,960
that tiny, tiny, tiny little thread, that tiny part of

521
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:02,880
the fence that separates pain and pleasure. So you don't

522
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,960
know exactly which we're giving you, Yes, it's so true

523
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,400
to ELFX. Bitch, What the fuck do you know about it?

524
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,759
Absolutely nothing? Not the first thing. Just let us serenade

525
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,799
you and keep your mouth shut, right, that's the only

526
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,559
way it can work. And you know, you hear folks say,

527
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:25,880
you know when you pine for the past, you know

528
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,240
for ten years, we've been trying to interrogate not only

529
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,039
wrestling history, but the nature of nostalgia.

530
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: Right.

531
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,319
Speaker 8: Yes, we constantly try to ask ourselves why is it

532
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,880
that we go back and feel the way we feel

533
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,160
about these things visa via the current day. And it's

534
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,119
not just old wrestling compared to new wrestling. It's old

535
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,720
anything compared to do anything. For the most part, just

536
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:45,759
about everything used to be better. And we've talked about

537
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,519
things that might be better now, and we're willing to

538
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,359
allow the point for sure. But I've heard it positive

539
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,880
and I'm not exactly sure where there's probably something like

540
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:58,039
real video or something. What you miss is being young,

541
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,480
That's what you miss, and I get it. But I

542
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,279
can't sign on to that. You know why, because when

543
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:08,000
I go back and when I watch stuff from when

544
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:12,240
we had society much more better calibrated. Yep, when the

545
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:17,319
cell phone didn't destroy your ability to enjoy anything. We

546
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,519
had a situation where I find myself, you don't if

547
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:23,880
I go back and watch an old movie, If I

548
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,440
go back and watch planes, trains, and automobiles, oh yeah,

549
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,680
I don't want to be I'm not nostalgic for that movie.

550
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,359
I don't think that movie is better than what we

551
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,279
have today, because I want to be as young as

552
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:39,440
I was when that movie came out. I want to

553
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,960
be an adult when that movie took place. Yes, that's

554
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,200
what you're missing. It's not that I miss being young,

555
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:49,079
it said, I feel like I was robbed of the

556
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,519
chance to be an adult at a time when things

557
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,279
were easier to enjoy.

558
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,079
Speaker 3: No, I mean it's also it's also like you know,

559
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,920
when you experience it's what part of it is too,

560
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:05,519
is they like they always say, like you witness things

561
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:10,359
that you can't appreciate when you're young. Yeah, in many ways,

562
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,799
you know, you're almost better off just being left alone

563
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:16,079
in a box, right for eighteen years, and then being

564
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,960
let free and then being allowed to explore the.

565
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 8: World, and not just eighteen years these eighteen years. Yes,

566
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,039
we are products of a particular time period in generation.

567
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,599
When we talk about, yes, the Golden Era being the

568
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Hasbro era, that's because everything was clicked into place and

569
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,039
we had it. We had the right alchemy, I swear

570
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:35,480
we did, and we let.

571
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: The best we're the best toys, we had the best cereal, and.

572
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:43,279
Speaker 8: We let it slip, you know, yep, because we turned

573
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:46,519
into an attention economy without meditating enough on what that

574
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,039
would mean for our humanity over time. And now we're

575
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,680
fucked on that front. Now we can't even really deal

576
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,160
with each other. And the only thing that gets us

577
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,559
up in the morning is having a sport fight on

578
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,279
our phones of some type or other. And it's it's

579
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,000
a it's a situation that I'm not sure we're going

580
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,799
to come back from. At the very least, I can't

581
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:09,839
be blamed for stressed out as Steve Martin is in planes,

582
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,480
trains and automobiles when he walks, when he when he

583
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:17,720
gets back to his house, that's what's up, and that's gone,

584
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:19,759
that's gone.

585
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:20,279
Speaker 11: Well.

586
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, think about like this too. That

587
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,720
whole movie is just like impossible, now, That's what I mean.

588
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: It can't.

589
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,279
Speaker 8: His return home wouldn't mean anything because he would have

590
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:31,400
been texting and face timing, and he would have been.

591
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: Rebooking, yeah, and updating his Instagram story.

592
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,519
Speaker 8: And all of these things would have felt like the

593
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,680
advantage technology gives him in the modern day to navigate

594
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,839
around inconvenience without stopping to consider that life is about inconvenience.

595
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:54,640
You fucking morons, You fucking morons. If everything's convenient, nothing

596
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,079
is convenient. If everything is easy, nothing.

597
00:30:57,359 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: What you need to really realize sooner than is that

598
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,920
inconvenience is what is what drives people. It's correct, correct,

599
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,759
right Like, if everything was convenient, we wouldn't do anything.

600
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 8: It's not something to be solved for. It is something

601
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:18,119
to figure out within yourself how to countenance and a generations.

602
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,200
That's another thing I resent. It's not that I'm not

603
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,359
young anymore. It's that my kids can't grow up in

604
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,960
the same social conditions and the same technological conditions. It's

605
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200
not we didn't have anything. I'm not pining for the

606
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,039
days with no electricity, folks, and there are trade offs.

607
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:34,960
I'm certainly not pining for the days that you could

608
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,039
get you know, fucking lung cancer by inhaling smoke in

609
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:44,119
an airplane. But I'm telling you I don't want to

610
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:45,680
say I want to say this as bluntly, but I

611
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,720
don't think there were as many kids hanging from door frames,

612
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:50,559
you know what I mean? I mean, do I need

613
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:55,240
to be straightforward about that? I just find myself upon.

614
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: Sing at the very least there weren't There weren't nearly

615
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,519
as many.

616
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 8: School shootings totally thank you. That's an even better example

617
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,160
that just did that. The stakes weren't as high every

618
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,559
day and we have this very uneasy we've made this

619
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,000
uneasy piece with this powder keg situation that we find

620
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,160
ourselves living in all the time. And you can't tell

621
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:18,559
me that that was the case in the day's I

622
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:25,200
pine for. So what do you expect and why? Why

623
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,119
do you think it makes sense that so many people

624
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,799
are willing to put down the cake to tell us

625
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:33,480
to keep going, go faster, go further, go harder into

626
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:37,319
the past into assessing what it was that made it good.

627
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,640
Maybe I don't know, so perhaps we can try to

628
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,599
keep a little bit of that flame lit in the

629
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,759
current day, LA Fan.

630
00:32:45,799 --> 00:33:01,319
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling pod cast that knows the boys

631
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:19,519
need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's a Lapsed

632
00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:24,039
Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco and JP Soorro.

633
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,359
Speaker 8: Something I think about upon TLFX and we're rocking and rolling.

634
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,880
We're going to continue paying tribute to sid and we

635
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,119
do deeply appreciate your support and doing so, we'll go forward.

636
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:39,400
So the Psycho Moniker, it may have stung more post

637
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,559
the nineteen ninety three incident with arn Ederson. But now

638
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,920
it was a new lease on life for Sid. I

639
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,880
said that had now walked out boss on three contracts

640
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,440
with the Big Two. I mean we realize this, right,

641
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,039
he has walked out. I mean think about that.

642
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,319
Speaker 5: How many?

643
00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:03,319
Speaker 3: How many? How many could how many companies can somebody

644
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,640
walk out of in normal nine to five day jobs

645
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,480
and still be that desirable and still be like hey,

646
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,920
and have achieved so little objectively on paper? Right?

647
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,159
Speaker 8: You know, if you were to assess him empirically against

648
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,599
other main eventors or top guys of his era, like,

649
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,239
how can this guy command this much money? Are we

650
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,079
really marks like that for traps? Yeah, and a guy

651
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,360
that waterflies off his head when he flickses his head

652
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,079
to the right in the middle of the ring. Sid

653
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,400
is incredibly charismatic. He was born to be a progressing superstar.

654
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,079
But this is a little much if you ask me,

655
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,159
I mean, it's true, like it's it's the fact that

656
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,239
after the arm thing, he's about to run away with

657
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,760
the bag of his career and enter his top earning

658
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,400
years instead of a period of time where he's a pariah.

659
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,599
Is is truly remarkable? Now, I mean geez. At least

660
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,679
Vince took a year. Fucking Do you think Babrahams was

661
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,159
ready to go? Do you think he had his phone

662
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,920
number right away? Do you think USWA down in Memphis,

663
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,320
where of course Sid is from and started his career,

664
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,800
as we talked about in the very beginning of this

665
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:12,920
tribute to Sid, was ready to book him under Jerry Lawler.

666
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,239
Of course they were. Sid didn't stay that unbusy from

667
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,440
a pro wrestling perspective in nineteen ninety four. In fact,

668
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,000
despite this all falling apart in October November of nineteen

669
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,719
ninety three, WCW, by April he was wrestling at the

670
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,519
Trump taj Mahal of all places, Oh my God, where

671
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,960
an organization called the WWWA ran a couple of cards,

672
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:33,960
including one in April where Tito Santana defeated Sid by

673
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,280
disqualification there in Atlantic City. There was that time period

674
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,159
kind of after I don't know, mid nineties. I would

675
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:46,440
say after WCW had hit like truly the skids, that

676
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,320
a lot of organizations were trying. Like we talked about this,

677
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,119
a lot, DRIK lapsed. Funk Eastern Championship became ECW Crockett

678
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:58,159
Junior tried to do something like the World Wrestling Network

679
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,679
was the AWF, the American Wrestling Federation, which got a

680
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,480
bunch of syndicated stations, and Tito Santana was involved along

681
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,679
with Sergeant Slaughter in that. With the AWA collapsing to

682
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,199
in the early nineties, that that kind of left open

683
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,000
some opportunities that people tried to fill. And there were

684
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:16,920
just a ton I mean, you remember looking through PWI

685
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,559
in the nineties like they were just oh yeah, IWCCW,

686
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,119
you know.

687
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: Oh fuck yeah. I mean, we're talking just so many,

688
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,920
so many glorious little promotions, and.

689
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,039
Speaker 8: You're reading around ninety four they always talk about USWA,

690
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,199
like Lawler always had a great relationship with Bill. After

691
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,199
going back to the Andy Kaufman stuff, they're presenting Lawler

692
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:40,760
and Brian Christopher, his son Brian Lawler and and guys

693
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,840
who are headlining in this last vestige of the old

694
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,119
territories down in Memphis, Tennessee. They're still presenting them in

695
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,760
the pages of the Leading National Wrestling after MAGS the

696
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,760
National Ones as champions worth thinking about right in the

697
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,760
same breath as the WWF and WWCW champions. Yeap, of

698
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,800
course talked about those rankings, right, tell them about that.

699
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,320
And you're looking at You're looking down these names, You're like.

700
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 3: Who is this? Now, what's the USWA? You used to

701
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,320
have no fucking idea who so many of these clowns were.

702
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,639
But that was what was so exciting, because it's like, well,

703
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,440
wait a minute, they're valuable someplace, Like I don't think

704
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,280
I ever thought the term valuable in my actual brain, yeah,

705
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,079
when that was happening, But there was an idea that like,

706
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:24,400
wait a minute, somebody cares about him, and why yes?

707
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,079
And how can I care about him? How can he

708
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:29,000
lay claim to being a world champion. This is, of course,

709
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,679
at a time when we as fans still thought that

710
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,400
that carried some kind of designation. It didn't really occur

711
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,159
to us that any promoter could call their title the

712
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:36,679
world title.

713
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,599
Speaker 8: But here's the thing. Any promoter could call their title

714
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:40,880
the world title, but that wouldn't necessarily get p WI

715
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,519
to publish it as a world champion. Right, And you

716
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,079
got global that tries to get coming on ESPN. You've

717
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,280
got all these these attempts in the nineties to pick

718
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,639
up the pieces of these closing territories. The USWA was

719
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:53,920
the outgrowth of the c WA, the Memphis Territories. We

720
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,440
all know it. Lawler still owns the place, and Jerry

721
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,400
Jarrett's still involved, and they're still doing you know, Saturday

722
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,039
morning studio wrestling on WMCTV, and there's ten people in

723
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:05,079
the audience, and they're still trying to run in the

724
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,480
Mid South Colosseum every Monday night that Lawler sold out

725
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,679
for generations, it seemed like, and that's kind of the

726
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,159
last place to go if you're not one of the

727
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,000
big two. That feels like the old way of making

728
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,320
money in the business. And of course for Sid it's

729
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,159
home geographically in a lot of ways, right. So by

730
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,519
the summer of ninety four, he is in the USWA

731
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,039
working the Mid South Colosseum again, where he formally wrestled

732
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:29,119
as Lord Humongous I'm so Crazy wrestling the likes of

733
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,440
Jeff Gaylord for the USWA Universal Unified rather World Heavyweight title.

734
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:36,960
And in the beginning of this USWA run he's softer.

735
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,360
You can tell he's not necessarily being as as religious

736
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,000
and as I don't know, self conscious about the look. Yeah,

737
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,480
one thing, I think we've really laid baar here in

738
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:49,960
looking at the thing. Sid has said, and others have

739
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,400
said about his psychology of the business, like, he really

740
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:54,880
doesn't want to be on camera unless he can look

741
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,559
like Sid. And he knows what it takes to look

742
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,239
like Sid, and he can't do it overnight. And so

743
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,400
he's got a really get the potion just right dial

744
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:04,199
in the let's just say he's going to get on

745
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:04,800
the right cycle.

746
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: Oh it makes you think, yeah, like absolutely.

747
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,599
Speaker 8: Cycle Sid is Dave Meltzer.

748
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: Yes, cycle.

749
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,559
Speaker 8: It is a cyclical business, boss, is it not? What

750
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,760
cycles are we talking about? Is the question? What cycles

751
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,239
are we talking about? Is the question?

752
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 3: I know exactly what fucking cycle he's talking about.

753
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,079
Speaker 8: So loose, a little soft. He's got darker hair. You

754
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:27,880
would have been very alarmed by his early USWA hair.

755
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:29,880
If his psycho Sid hair bothers you, this is a

756
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,760
whole other issue. Like it gets darker brown, it's never

757
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,760
it's not quite as wet as it needs to be.

758
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:40,000
But he's on TV and he's he's content, apparently to

759
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,400
uh to return to this scale of of enterprise in

760
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,280
the wrestling business for someone that thought it was worth

761
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,760
fucking three quarters of a million dollars at the snap

762
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,079
of a finger. Here he is on an episode of

763
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:55,039
us W a local television, but of course Lance Russell

764
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,159
and Dave Brown the signature of voices of Memphis Wrestling

765
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,639
calling the action at the desk, and as he would

766
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:02,880
do when he was on the road, Jerry Lawler would

767
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:04,960
phone in so that he could have pretty much a

768
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,280
weekly presence on the television.

769
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: From what I've seen these phones in a lot, he felt.

770
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he did it figuratively and literally in those days.

771
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,920
But on set, engaging in a bit of a debate

772
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,199
with the phoning in Jerry Lawler is none other than Sid.

773
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,639
Here's what Sid was doing after he disappeared from the

774
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,079
National Spotlight. And you couldn't see or hear any of

775
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:26,920
this at the time unless you were living in Memphis

776
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:27,840
or trading tapes.

777
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,079
Speaker 15: Anyway. Yeah, we're going to be in Victoria there tomorrow afternoon,

778
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,800
and then unfortunately I had right back out for gosh,

779
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,320
I've got three more days of wrestling for them, and

780
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,880
then I'm going to be back on for a while.

781
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: All right, Well, it just seems like forever.

782
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,119
Speaker 3: I know.

783
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,519
Speaker 16: I think I was going one time when you were here,

784
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,119
and I haven't seen you in about a month.

785
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, King, I hadn't seen you in a long time.

786
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 15: This is Dave.

787
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: I was at the specer men.

788
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,519
Speaker 4: Well wait a minute, Jerry, here comes saying that.

789
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 10: Vicious and spike you.

790
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,679
Speaker 17: Jerry, God.

791
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 5: Said, will you just let us fin He says, sit

792
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:11,559
here on the phone, and you tell everybody's sitting here.

793
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,559
Everybody's sitting at home watching TV. I'm off of Florida.

794
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,199
Speaker 18: I might be in Canada, but the truth is Roller

795
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,000
you're sitting at your house right here in the city

796
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,199
of Memphis. He is, You're locked up for your product,

797
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,760
and you are scared, fat, bad.

798
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 19: Yes, people that worship you and there they call you

799
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,400
the king.

800
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 5: Why is it?

801
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,039
Speaker 18: Would tell you, Lawler, you aren't scared towers and the

802
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:47,159
people are looking right now. It's the uncrowned king, the

803
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:53,239
uncrowding of civilized killers, my friend. And before I'll leave.

804
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:57,199
Speaker 5: The usw say it be a year, ten years, you

805
00:41:57,519 --> 00:41:59,920
laller and everybody want you.

806
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:13,199
Speaker 4: There goes Uh said, law Jesus, will you get back

807
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,199
here and beat this sucker up.

808
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,199
Speaker 20: He's around here slamming and hurting everybody he can get

809
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,599
anywhere near Jerry.

810
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,159
Speaker 10: It is absolutely ridiculous of stuff that Visius has done

811
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,440
since he's been here. Are you with us?

812
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:35,679
Speaker 3: Nope? Oh we still got him? Nope, lose a connection.

813
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, we lost the connection in there.

814
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,639
Speaker 3: Uh, let's hold on here a second. Let me see

815
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,760
if I can. Well, I don't know whether and.

816
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 8: They don't figure it out. I'd love to know it's

817
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,480
not a bunch of idiots apparent if that was like

818
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:53,239
a shoot, or if if Lawler, like for dramatic effect,

819
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,679
just hangs up the phone, because I think it kind

820
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:55,880
of works a little bit, if he did it on

821
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,199
purpose work. Yeah, and he doesn't know, he's kind of

822
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,119
like he's so pissed that he doesn't even want to

823
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,920
say what's on his mind with Sid interrupting him like that,

824
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:06,320
or he is a little shook, you know.

825
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:07,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's great.

826
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 8: Sid there was accompanied by Spike Huber, who is the

827
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,519
son in law of Dick the Bruiser and had a

828
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:17,760
career throughout the Midwest throughout the eighties and by the

829
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,079
nineties was working down in Memphis. So that's what Sid's

830
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,440
doing for the time being over there. He also gets

831
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,159
involved when herb Abrams sets up shop again for the

832
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,559
UWF Black Jack Brawl pay per view in Las Vegas.

833
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,119
God took place September twenty third of nineteen ninety four. Boss,

834
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,119
you may have recalled from our episode on herb Abrams

835
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:39,920
when we partnered with the guys that Dark Side of

836
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,320
the Ring for the Unheard podcast, we spent a lot

837
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840
of time digging into some of the unaired clips about

838
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440
this show, this event, and the fall of ninety four

839
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:50,679
where they somehow, despite no track record of success and

840
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,639
essentially being dark for two years, secured one of the

841
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,920
premium sports venues on the strip at the MGM Grand

842
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,880
Garden Arena and no one was there and no one

843
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,800
cared and it was a disaster. That sounds about right,

844
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:07,000
And you know, her played all kinds of fascinating games,

845
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,639
according to guys like Stevie Ray and others who spoke

846
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:12,519
to the producers of Dark Side of the Ring to

847
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,079
kind of create this impression that, like, you know, you

848
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,599
probably should front us some money here. We're a little short,

849
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,159
and it'll be it'll be a black mark on all

850
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:21,639
of us if we have to cancel the show at

851
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:25,800
this juncture, and somehow convincing these these hot shots in

852
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,440
Vegas to just come out of pocket for like one

853
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,440
hundred grand that they'll never see back and this was

854
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,079
the last hurrah for herb Abrams and he saw that

855
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:36,599
he found in that budget money to pay Sid. Sid

856
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,880
comes in. Sid wrestles Doctor Death Steve Williams for the

857
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,800
UWF World Heavyweight title on the Blackjack Brawl.

858
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: That's insane.

859
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:48,159
Speaker 8: And they go out there and they actually try like

860
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,159
Sid takes a belly to belly off the top rope.

861
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 3: By shit, you not, are you kidding me? Yep?

862
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 8: He does. He tries to bump Steve Williams give him

863
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,639
the doctor Bomb. They got wrenched power bomb as well.

864
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,360
And the ring. I don't know what the deal was

865
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,679
with this JANKI it basically breaks during the course of

866
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,039
the contest. You have like a almost like a bubble

867
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,079
pop up underneath the matt and the center of the ring,

868
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,840
indicating that the boards had shifted or something had something

869
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,559
was very seriously wrong underneath this mat and it happens

870
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,000
during the course of these two giants pumping around in it.

871
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,639
But you know, Sid didn't do much more than just

872
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:20,760
work this one match with Steve and UWF. It's not

873
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,400
like there's a whole bunch of promos or anything out

874
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,360
there that you can discover from what I saw on

875
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,079
the broadcast, they actually do an interview with Sid backstage,

876
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:32,719
but they're so they're so incapable from a production standpoint

877
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,719
that you can't even hear the audio of Sid's interview

878
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,559
on the broadcast. You cannot hear. It's understated, to say

879
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,880
the least. But bost you know, I guess what the

880
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,559
UWF run creates the question of is we've talked about

881
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,079
Sid Justice, We've talked about Sid Vicious, We've talked about

882
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,360
psycho Sid. Do you know what they called them in UWF?

883
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 3: Ah, Sid the clown?

884
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 8: Are you ready for malicious Sid Vicious?

885
00:45:58,039 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 11: Oh?

886
00:45:58,639 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 3: No, come on really?

887
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,519
Speaker 8: Versus malicious being a word used by Oran Anderson in

888
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,400
his lawsuit against Sid for stabbing him. So yes, I

889
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,880
guess malicious was. I guess they were deeply amused by

890
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,159
the Sid stabbing incident and decided to use that as

891
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:15,199
his moniker in DUWF. And after that short run, if

892
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,559
you can call one match a run, he goes to

893
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,639
back USWA, which he worked in premittently throughout nineteen ninety four, including,

894
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,800
of course, as we mentioned, winning their world title. He

895
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,079
even wrestles Lord Humongous. I don't know who it was,

896
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,320
but Sid wow?

897
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:28,639
Speaker 3: Really?

898
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,079
Speaker 8: Yes? On October tenth of nineteen ninety four, the Mid

899
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,679
South Colosseum, Sid Vicious defeats Lord Humuongus to retain the

900
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,840
USWA Unified World Heavyweight title and not. On October seventeenth

901
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,320
of nineteen ninety four, give you three guesses who you

902
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,960
think Sid defended the belt against.

903
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,199
Speaker 3: On this show.

904
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 8: Harvey Whippleman No, Hulk Hogan Yes, no, o kidding? Jerry

905
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,559
Lawler No, the Undertaker get out of town. Really, let's

906
00:47:03,559 --> 00:47:09,440
think about it. Nineteen ninety four Lawler, Oh, yeah, Vince

907
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,599
going to Memphis to practice his heel mannerisms. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

908
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,559
Let's not forget that. That's one of the true one

909
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,159
of the fascinating things. Something that the McMahon documentary on

910
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,800
Netflix totally misses that the guy already knew how to

911
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,480
play a heel because of this Memphis run where he went.

912
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: Down there, because he lived his life.

913
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 8: Of course there's that due, but he was ready for

914
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,840
the attitude of a man because he played that Vince

915
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,239
McMahon that was trying to stop Steve Austin from breaking

916
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,559
out of the corporate mold in the very beginning that

917
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,840
Vince is the guy that goes down to USWA and

918
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,599
just kind of has his nose up just a little

919
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,480
bit at these Southern fans, you know, not too much,

920
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:46,039
but just enough to make him want to ring his

921
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:49,840
fucking neck. Of course, he's so good at it, and

922
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,159
he doesn't act maniacal, he doesn't act mcavellian. He just acts,

923
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:56,920
you know, like a piece of shit from Connecticut. And

924
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,920
it's amazing stuff. And this is all happening in ninety four,

925
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:04,800
the same around the same time, I guess, not coincidentally,

926
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,199
that the WWF is considering tapping Jerry Jarrett to take

927
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,000
over business affairs if Fence gets put behind bars. Oh,

928
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,679
of course that makes sense another USWA proprietor. So the

929
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,239
bonds between the Memphis office and the WWF are as

930
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,840
strong as perhaps they ever were in the year of

931
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,920
nineteen ninety four, and it's not uncommon to see Undertaker

932
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,639
come through and work USWA shows to help boost the house.

933
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,559
This is where they get Comma from Charles Wright as

934
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,119
he starts his career. This is where they get Kane.

935
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:35,199
Oh sure Kine as well comes through. It's hell razer

936
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,519
here at first, and there's basically you know, it's not

937
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,679
unlike the arrangement they kind of had with ECW, where

938
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,559
guys that they wanted to put some polish on would

939
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,559
get sent down there. They look for new recruits, and

940
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,599
there would be sort of like a first option on

941
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,880
the talents that were working that circuit as opposed to

942
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,719
go into WCW and yeah, ever now and then to

943
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,679
help boost the house, they'd send guys of Utterertaker's caliber

944
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,840
down there. And sin has said basically that he considers

945
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,239
this kind of thing. In nineteen ninety four, the WWF

946
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,199
trying to figure out if sid Is is hireable again.

947
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,320
So it's not just like a sudden as some would

948
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,880
like to to present it, snap decision in nineteen ninety

949
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,840
five to heat up Sean and Diesel.

950
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,599
Speaker 3: Well, let's say I I because that's not even you

951
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:20,199
know when you think about it's not even gonna snap

952
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,840
whatever you just call that snap decision. Yeah, yeah, because

953
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,079
you know that would have been that would have been

954
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,239
in ninety three when he left. You know, like it's

955
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,599
obviously you know, you know, he's not as I don't know,

956
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,159
to me, that would have been more of the time.

957
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,880
So like this is actually just like raving him and

958
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,920
watching him and seeing, you know, if he can, if

959
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,559
he's if he is valuable.

960
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 8: Right, and a Jerry Lawler who you know played no

961
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,760
small part in getting Sid into the business as we

962
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,840
touched about it in the first place, and someone who

963
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,960
I think WWF would probably trust the word of as

964
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,760
to whether he was you know, back and performing at

965
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,639
a level that would make him manageable from a Big

966
00:49:57,679 --> 00:49:59,639
two standpoint, because what becomes the case with Sid is

967
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:03,320
nothing when doubting he's he's an impact player, but whether

968
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,360
he's worth the hassle that you know he's going to bring.

969
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,119
Has he learned anything about how to relate to other

970
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,360
human beings in a better way such that we're not

971
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,760
going to have the prototypical blow up. Of course, the

972
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,679
longer you look at Sid's career, the more you realize

973
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,360
those blow ups are probably by design. He's going to

974
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,239
find a reason to get mad when he want, whenever

975
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,079
he wants to leave. It's been a manufacturer reason to

976
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:26,400
feel insulted or slighted.

977
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: He's such a fool.

978
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 8: But nonetheless, you know this is coming off the stabbing,

979
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,440
and people don't know what they're dealing with. They don't

980
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,239
know if this is a guy who can figure out

981
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,599
how to get along with guys in the locker room again.

982
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:39,840
So I think a lot of these months in the

983
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,800
US ware are kind of like a stealth mission from

984
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,639
WWF in cooperation with Jerry lawlerd to see what they've

985
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:48,599
got here. And one Undertaker comes through. It was similar.

986
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,800
It's kind of how Godfather got his job. It's kind

987
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,639
of how Cain got his job versus II Gangam. This

988
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,639
Taker goes down to Memphis and works him and comes

989
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,960
back and is he a big man you can work with?

990
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 11: Right?

991
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 8: Is he a big man that that can fit into

992
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,559
our system? Absolutely? Or absolutely not? And you see the

993
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,239
results from there. So they wrestle for about ten minutes

994
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,679
again in the Mid South Colisseum on October seventeenth of

995
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,800
nineteen ninety four. This is Undertaker with Paul Behrer in

996
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,679
the Purple. This is the Purple era, of course.

997
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 3: Oh God, I can't believe you're down. They are wrestling

998
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,280
in Purple.

999
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 8: It's jarring to see. I mean, you know, we know

1000
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:27,760
there's nothing more fascinating than prime WWF guys working non

1001
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,119
WWF shows. That's the whole paint off the Pacific Journey.

1002
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,960
That's the whole point of it to see the Hogan.

1003
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,559
We need, the savage, we need try to get three

1004
00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:42,239
and a half stars in tokyot. Try to get stacked

1005
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,360
up with power bombs and kick out it too, you know,

1006
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,960
try to hit power lariats. Yes, and so it's kind

1007
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,920
of a version of that to see guys like Huntertaker

1008
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,119
and others go down there and work at USWA. After that,

1009
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,480
the next week he wrestles Mabel. Sid wrestles Mabel.

1010
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,639
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, does he power bomb him?

1011
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 8: No, He's just not power bomb him. This of course

1012
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,920
is post Mabel headlining SummerSlam. That no, heading into said

1013
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,920
lighting SummerSlam the next year, that would be the next year. Yeah,

1014
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:14,639
and win King of the Roles right now. So this

1015
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,039
is preparing for the push of his life. And he

1016
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:21,599
gets some work with Sid beforehand. Mabel yea and the

1017
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:26,519
go to Louisville and Lex Luger comes down to wrestle

1018
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,159
Sid in November of nineteen ninety four.

1019
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: That's actually, you know, on paper, that's an intriguing matchup.

1020
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:32,760
I won't mind.

1021
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 8: I would have thought, yeah, if if Luger won the

1022
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:37,719
belt in ninety three, ninety fours, he just should have

1023
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,000
really and I think Sid would have been a great

1024
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,119
early opponent for him. Sid coming out of the would

1025
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,159
work like after he wins the belt and attacking him.

1026
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:50,639
That'd have been amazing. Absolutely, And we never really got

1027
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:53,639
the program in WCW either. So we talked about when

1028
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:56,880
Sid came back from the softball injury, the lung injury

1029
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,920
that became your fucking plane softball, he had to do

1030
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,679
a tenseecond job to Lex Lugner on a clash, and

1031
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,599
then they never really they never really circled back to it.

1032
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,079
That would have been the design if he hadn't left

1033
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,119
for New York, but never got there. But yeah, they

1034
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:11,960
get to clash Lex Lucra. Of course by this point

1035
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,039
the All American were red, white and blue stripes. But

1036
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,800
definitely on the Wayne, definitely on the downside. He's headed

1037
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,840
towards the Allied Powers thing as opposed to much of

1038
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,199
a singles run in WWF here in November Meta.

1039
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: Four, Oh yeah, absolutely, that's where we got in line

1040
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,400
for Lukes for.

1041
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 8: Luke's and in that undertaker match it ended in a

1042
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,679
disqualification when a wrestler went by the name of Spellbinder

1043
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,440
and who had a brief uh uh syndicated TV squash

1044
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:41,800
Job series of matches for WWF as the magician. What

1045
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,599
the hell they call him? Fantasmo. Have you ever seen

1046
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:43,960
this guy?

1047
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 11: No?

1048
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, they brought him in, they they held him, worked

1049
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,639
a couple of tapings. He was like a magician in

1050
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:50,280
the ring. He had white face paint on, like a

1051
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,000
mime almost, and he would like do a magic trick

1052
00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,320
to distract his opponent and then roll him up. This

1053
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:59,599
fucking had no chance, no chance at all. But again

1054
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:03,400
another example of that USWAWWF talent exchange that was very

1055
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,679
much going on in nineteen ninety four, and they were

1056
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,199
doing it with Smoky Mountain as well. Of course, right, yeah,

1057
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,760
of course that's how Jim Cornette gets the commentary in

1058
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,719
the front office role as well. And heavenly bodies come.

1059
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,079
Speaker 3: In and bodies and then we get the fucking rock

1060
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:17,440
and roll Express, for God's.

1061
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 8: Sake, sure do in the WWF ring. Bizarre it is

1062
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,599
so the undertaker Manchens and DQ and Spellbinder runs in,

1063
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,360
allowing Sid to remain the champion. And here's a promo

1064
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,519
that Sid cut after that match, turning his attention to

1065
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:35,039
Jerry Lawler and Jerry's son Brian Christopher, who he also

1066
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:36,679
worked against in nineteen ninety four.

1067
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 13: See Everywhere looking big letters, it says five thousand dollars

1068
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,519
from a man who wins the battle royld Well.

1069
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 3: That sounds big, doesn't it. Well a lot of people

1070
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,840
might be even excited about it.

1071
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 18: But what it says to me when I say it,

1072
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,159
Claire the smell explain it did any more?

1073
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,119
Speaker 4: Waity hell some specials.

1074
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,039
Speaker 10: On the US wa.

1075
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 3: See, we will not fall for it.

1076
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 13: I know what you're up to.

1077
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 18: He's a sacred plan to put somebody I.

1078
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:10,119
Speaker 4: Just said vicious.

1079
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 3: See what you're gonna do.

1080
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 18: You'll have him ten twenty thirty, forty fifty people there.

1081
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:22,039
We'll say, I won't have a chance to prepare. I

1082
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,199
won't have a chance to know who the man is,

1083
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,719
or maybe know about how he is, or what he's

1084
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,599
gonna do or what he might bring.

1085
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:31,519
Speaker 3: See.

1086
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,639
Speaker 2: That's what the whole scheme is, isn't it.

1087
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 6: That's what the whole plan is. To make sid fishes,

1088
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:42,559
make his day hard.

1089
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 18: We'll say, wady health, ady morn, whoever is concerned. If

1090
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,639
I was a man who would care who, then that

1091
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,880
might say something, But I'm not.

1092
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 13: Because it's simple. See I don't care because I am

1093
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:05,920
sub vicious and I rule the world. Now just a second,

1094
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:10,639
you buying Christopher, you're Joe Lawler. Do you want a

1095
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,000
return match? Well, I'll say this, you can have it,

1096
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,960
but I think your chances of getting that battle royal

1097
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:19,079
then become simmed and none.

1098
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 3: So you guys gotta remember something.

1099
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 13: I've got a little saying and it goes like this,

1100
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,599
do one to the man as the man would do

1101
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,199
one to you.

1102
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 8: First time I heard that.

1103
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:35,599
Speaker 3: You love it?

1104
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,519
Speaker 8: Had he said that in WWF il ready I don't

1105
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,039
even remember them. I don't know if he said it.

1106
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,320
He said that, I said justice, I don't remember. So

1107
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,119
that's what he was sounding like. I mean, he's he's

1108
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:50,639
he's coming to his own. The promos are now dialed in. Yeah, yeah,

1109
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,880
for sure, and uh sure that makes me interested in

1110
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,559
seeing the match for for sure. And uh he would

1111
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:59,599
work Lawlor And you had to know something was up

1112
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,559
because February sixth of nineteen ninety five, as we turned

1113
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:04,960
the page to the year nineteen ninety five for Sid,

1114
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,599
he loses the USWA Unified World Heavyweight title to Jerry

1115
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:11,079
Lawler in the Mid South Colosseum on a Monday night,

1116
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,719
no DQ and he is done with the USWA, which

1117
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,760
means there must be a new contract on the table.

1118
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:24,480
There must be newfound interest in the Psycho one. Let's

1119
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,480
head back to Stamford.

1120
00:57:26,159 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 21: Was like, well, what if we gave Sean a bodyguard

1121
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:33,400
to make people believe that he has a chance against

1122
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:39,880
this giant diesel. I brought Sid's name up just out

1123
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,599
of I wasn't there, so I didn't go through all

1124
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,960
the shit that they had all previously gone through. But

1125
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,880
you could tell that Vince kind of had a soft

1126
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,960
spot for Sid and thought, well, yeah, that could work.

1127
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:58,239
We'll bring him back and we'll see how the reaction is.

1128
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,440
We're not going to bring him back in the ring away.

1129
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:04,800
We'll put him with Sean. Let's see how this dynamic works,

1130
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:07,920
and we'll take it step by step. I don't know

1131
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,960
that there were any big guarantees made to Sid. It

1132
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:15,639
was like, you want to work, You're not going back

1133
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,960
to work down South. I don't think they're going to

1134
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:20,079
have you. And if you want to make money in

1135
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:22,440
the wrestling business right now, the only place to do

1136
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,800
it is here. So let's try this. Let's let's see

1137
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,920
what happens and we'll take it on a day by

1138
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:28,599
day basis.

1139
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:36,119
Speaker 3: That was the pitch. So okay, that was a pitch. Uh.

1140
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:36,960
Did you.

1141
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 8: Do you think that Diesel Sean was weak and that

1142
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,559
Sid strengthened it the dynamic? No, tell me about it?

1143
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: To me, I mean, Sid Sean to me, was the

1144
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,239
obvious way to go. A Diesel Shan mean what I say, So, yeah,

1145
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,199
Diesel Sean. Diesel Sean was the way to go. Uh,

1146
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,480
just because of the way to been built up, you know,

1147
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,960
the way it had done. Like I wasn't. I didn't

1148
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,199
think it was weak. I didn't.

1149
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,239
Speaker 8: I didn't really see it like that because I never

1150
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:15,400
saw I never saw matches as being like like are

1151
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,400
they marquee enough?

1152
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:17,599
Speaker 3: Right?

1153
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,039
Speaker 8: Doesn't feel like event me.

1154
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: It was like the two of them had history, the

1155
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,880
two of them. I mean I was wrong. I was

1156
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,679
excited that Sid came back, for sure, but at the

1157
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,519
time I didn't need it. It wasn't like I said, oh,

1158
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,920
what a crummy main event. You know, I didn't say

1159
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,480
that at all. I was like, this is great, this

1160
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:42,320
is what it should be. You know, the the two

1161
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,559
the two best friends and now they're fighting for the championship.

1162
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,679
You know, I mean I didn't. It was weird, you know,

1163
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:52,679
I think about the Royal rumble that year. Yeah, and

1164
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,960
I certainly didn't. That wasn't in my mind. You know,

1165
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,199
I always wanted a babyface to win, but obviously it's

1166
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:04,239
it's it's what they going for. But yeah, I never

1167
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,599
saw a problem with it. I mean, also I saw

1168
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,039
you know, this is when I went to the in

1169
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:16,800
high gear for the one we've mentioned many I talked

1170
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,360
about many times at Worcester Centrum that was delayed and

1171
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,199
then you know, brought back and we went like the

1172
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,840
next night, and nobody was there. It was a fucking

1173
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,960
just a dead, a dead fucking building. But I remember

1174
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,679
what was interesting about that was that people were cheering

1175
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,800
for Shawn Michaels by that point, and this must have

1176
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,440
been mid to late February, yep, I think, and people

1177
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,119
were cheering for Sean Michael. I don't think Sid was

1178
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:46,199
there yet, right, was it there?

1179
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 8: He had come in, but I don't think it had

1180
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:49,559
aired yet.

1181
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:53,239
Speaker 3: Okay, because I don't think he came down with Sean.

1182
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,719
I would have known. I don't remember that. Yeah, I

1183
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,960
think he came down by himself to face Adam Baum,

1184
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:00,719
and he fucking white the floor with him, and he

1185
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,559
was hugely over So, I you know, if you got

1186
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:10,679
people in a in a weak ass Worcester centrum cheering

1187
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,519
for Shawn Michaels, and not only that, but getting me

1188
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:16,920
to cheer for Shawn Michaels when I was very much

1189
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,199
in my like, you know, I don't cheer for bad guys.

1190
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 8: You didn't feel uncomfortable cheering for him over Diesel.

1191
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,719
Speaker 3: No, I was actually kind of like, oh, this is

1192
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,800
kind of cool. It's like, okay, I can go for

1193
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,079
I can go with this. I can go with this,

1194
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:33,639
you know, and and and and he and he and

1195
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,159
he went over and he went over out of bombs.

1196
01:01:36,280 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: A lap fan wrestling podcast wrest podcast with Jack and.

1197
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 8: Sean definitely caught a wave at this point in time.

1198
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:08,960
And I think it's Vince, just like we saw with Roman,

1199
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,159
going into an absolute psychological tail spin about not being

1200
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:14,159
able to control who the fans want to cheer as

1201
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:17,559
a babyface that leads in part to the over correction

1202
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:20,199
of bringing in Sin. I mean, I don't know. Ultimately,

1203
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,119
as we'll talk about and as Shawn has talked about

1204
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:27,679
the abrupt turning of sind On, Sean after WrestleMania eleven

1205
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,199
was in no small part because Vince didn't want Sean

1206
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,679
around taking the steam of you know, top baby face

1207
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,559
reactions from Diesel. It was clear after WrestleMania eleven and

1208
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:40,760
the way that match played out that the fans in

1209
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,679
most of the cities that counted in terms of like

1210
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,280
the pulse cities the cities were Vince, Well, that's the thing.

1211
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 3: I know the pulse. I have the pulse. I create

1212
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:51,320
the pulse, right and Diesels my pulse.

1213
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 8: And look, on occasion the fans start to confuse that,

1214
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:55,719
and I understand.

1215
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 3: The fans confused. That's the problem. It's not that they

1216
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,920
try to confuse what what's going on. They get confused

1217
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:08,320
and they don't understand that who they're cheering for is wrong,

1218
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,920
and they don't really want to be cheering for them.

1219
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,880
They think that a Shawn Michaels excites them, but he doesn't.

1220
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,000
What excites them is that Diesel is beating up Shawn Michaels.

1221
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,440
That's what actually excites them. They just don't understand. They

1222
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,159
get confused.

1223
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 8: Absolutely, they do, yes, correct.

1224
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: So that's simply here, nor there, nor everywhere.

1225
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,119
Speaker 8: And you can hear it in the body of the

1226
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:35,960
match you wrestle many eleven the people decide in that

1227
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:37,639
match that they actually want Sean to win.

1228
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:41,719
Speaker 3: No, they didn't. They didn't.

1229
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,119
Speaker 8: Well that's that's an effective argument.

1230
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,079
Speaker 3: It's just a fact. They did. They did not they they?

1231
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 8: And why did you have to write Sean off television

1232
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,679
for months? The night after the week after.

1233
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:53,719
Speaker 3: Because that because listen, I was building up his return.

1234
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,480
You know, here we have a guy that just uh

1235
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,119
that just you know, he just lost. But we're going

1236
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:02,559
to turn him babyface. But we can't have him come

1237
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:06,800
back in just yet because it's the sympathy thing. You're

1238
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,920
going to simply the angle, the angle, the sympathetic oath angle, right.

1239
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 8: The sympathetic oath anglely, Yeah, that old classic. Oh what

1240
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:17,679
if you think Bruce is the only person to lay

1241
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:19,880
claim to being the first to suggest bringing back Sid.

1242
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,440
Of course he would be wrong and can't wait to

1243
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,760
hear from a couple of other voices that lay claimed

1244
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,559
the precise same thing. But his name is in the

1245
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,559
sauce because Vince thinks it's something Sean needs and it

1246
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,719
wouldn't surprise me if what he really means is if

1247
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,679
Sid's standing next to Sean it'll make Sean more of

1248
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:39,440
a heel as opposed to being this guy fighting from

1249
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:42,440
underneath against an oversized champion, and Diesel very tough to

1250
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,880
pull off to be to be bigger than the heel

1251
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:48,840
challenger by the degree that Diesel was bigger than Sean

1252
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,639
and not eventually get the people decide with the guy

1253
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:54,360
who is fighting the odds from a size perspective, I

1254
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,960
feel like, sure, sure, you know, Hogan struggled to do

1255
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,199
that against Savage, although they had some really great matches.

1256
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:02,360
If that kept going, people would have been like, all right,

1257
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,199
Savage has got to win this thing. You know, I

1258
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:05,440
want Savage to win.

1259
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, that's people want David to triumph Goliath.

1260
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:11,320
That's just human nature.

1261
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:13,559
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and especially when you consider as how awesome you

1262
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,599
have to be for New York to give you a

1263
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,199
world title shot against a champion that's bigger than you are.

1264
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:22,079
You know, that's not the size advantage. And that's another

1265
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:23,400
part of the reason to bring in sid Is we'll

1266
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,559
talk about in ninety five after the Shawn program. Ninety

1267
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:28,480
five is going to be the year of Diesels World Champion.

1268
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:30,000
It's going to be his year to be Hogan, like

1269
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,239
we need challengers, and we need challengers in the Hogan

1270
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,079
mold that stack up to our champion. From a physical perspective,

1271
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:38,639
He's got a sleigh giants, and there weren't many on

1272
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:42,599
the marketplace, especially post steroid trials, that were ready willing

1273
01:05:42,639 --> 01:05:44,800
and able quite like Sid, and so he checked that

1274
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,320
box rather nicely as well. What ready willing and Mabel

1275
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,119
William Mabel. Although, as Bruce will lay out in Future

1276
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:54,239
Eclipse from his podcast Something to Wrestle, the original booking

1277
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,320
plans for how to handle Sid, Diesel and Sewan in

1278
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,239
ninety five kind of went up in Smoke Doe too,

1279
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,360
in part the way Vince re acted to the finish

1280
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,239
of the title match WrestleMania eleven. But still Diesel versus

1281
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,800
Sid was always going to be circle to eventually. So

1282
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,480
we've got interest up in Stanford. There is Yes, we're

1283
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:12,719
talking about his name again, and we're pretending that he

1284
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,880
didn't wrestle a year in the us w A as

1285
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,760
a litmus test. We're pretending that just one day his

1286
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,079
name came up, not that we sent fucking undertaker Enable

1287
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:21,599
and Lex down there to work with him.

1288
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:24,039
Speaker 3: I've i simply said, hey, you know what we haven't

1289
01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:27,119
seen Sid in a while. Let's bring him up. Let's

1290
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:27,719
see what he can do.

1291
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 8: Right, I've heard from Sid.

1292
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:35,199
Speaker 3: I haven't seen Sydney since WrestleMania, you know, ninety two.

1293
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,360
I mean as well, just.

1294
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 8: If you don't count telling, if you don't count telling

1295
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,280
Lawlor how to book the finish of the match against

1296
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:42,719
Sid a month ago in the Midside College.

1297
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 3: And I don't have nothing to do with Jerry Lawler

1298
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,760
at all ever.

1299
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:50,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, that this, You're right, this is around that time

1300
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:52,880
of that underage sex allegation against him, that the loss

1301
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:53,199
of this.

1302
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 3: Never been involved in sexual excapades.

1303
01:06:55,519 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 8: This is definitely the time of this, of the time

1304
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,679
period where you pretend not to know Mary Lawler. That's

1305
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:01,239
a great point.

1306
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 3: Who's Jerry Lawler?

1307
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 8: Exactly?

1308
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:05,599
Speaker 3: I'm not aware of things.

1309
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,559
Speaker 8: That much is clear. And look, I mean for most

1310
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,679
for half a ninety four, Vince is on trial, so

1311
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:12,239
what the fuck?

1312
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 3: Right?

1313
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 8: He is no idea what's going to happen? So yes,

1314
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:18,800
here's Jim Cornett, who has mentioned, due to the Smoking

1315
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,480
Mountain Alliance, is now not only a full time television

1316
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,639
manager for WWF and a television commentator, but also part

1317
01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:27,679
of the office staff, part of the creative staff as well.

1318
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,159
So he's offering first hand insight in terms of being

1319
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,920
at the table, not just you know, observing from the outside,

1320
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,159
which he also is really good at doing as a

1321
01:07:37,159 --> 01:07:39,079
student of the game. But here he is talking from

1322
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:43,320
the inside out about Vince's psychology visa via Sid in

1323
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,079
ninety five and how that may have contributed to his return.

1324
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,239
Speaker 3: Vince didn't care about the stabbing.

1325
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:54,079
Speaker 7: No, well, we don't know what happened over that's another company,

1326
01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:00,480
you know, because how about what the fuck? All I

1327
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:02,800
know is Arn Anderson didn't instigate it.

1328
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:05,199
Speaker 2: He didn't instigate it.

1329
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 7: In the bar, he told Sid to shut the fuck

1330
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,760
up after Arne had had a few cocktails, and he's

1331
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,880
done that to a lot of people and made him

1332
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,199
look like an idiot, because Arn verbally can do that.

1333
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,920
But Arne was in his room when Sid went knocking

1334
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,640
on the door to continue it, and Sid went with

1335
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,760
the fucking chair leg so that to me puts him

1336
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,079
in the wrong. They were Arn scissors, but Arn grabbed

1337
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:28,840
him as a defensive mechanism and got stabbed. Said first,

1338
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,760
for Sid took him away because he had had the

1339
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,479
drop on Arn. When Arn opened the door, and he

1340
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,600
came around from the side with chair leg So fuck Sid.

1341
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:40,720
Be quite honest, I'm sure it was roid rage because

1342
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,720
he's been I can't imagine he's still alive with the

1343
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,840
amount of chemicals he's pumped in his body. He should

1344
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,239
have blown up long before now. I've never been able

1345
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,119
to say anthing bad about him personally otherwise, and he

1346
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:53,199
was a rotten wrestler. But fuck him for doing that

1347
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,720
to arn just because Arne told him in front of

1348
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,880
the boys what all the boys thought of him, because

1349
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,079
he was running his mouth about how great he wasn't.

1350
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 8: Obviously that from an episode of Cornett's podcast prior to

1351
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:05,119
Sid's passing.

1352
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,039
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not aware, you know, listen, this is

1353
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:07,640
all hearsay.

1354
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 8: I love that little snippet. Oh it's another company powe.

1355
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:12,199
Speaker 3: I mean right, we don't know.

1356
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,239
Speaker 8: I was Evin. Can I just can I just ask

1357
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:19,079
before we hire Sid again? You you understand what presaged

1358
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:22,119
his departure from WCW. You understand that he stabbed Arn't

1359
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:23,079
Anderson early to death.

1360
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:25,279
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I'm not aware. I'm not privileged

1361
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:31,119
to what happened. We are not listen, I wasn't there

1362
01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:32,800
you weren't there. It's a different organization.

1363
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 11: You know.

1364
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,520
Speaker 3: They have their own business, their own their own rules

1365
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,960
about things. All I know is that is that there

1366
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:42,880
was a report of an incident. I don't know who

1367
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:46,279
was involved. I don't know what was involved. You know,

1368
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:50,479
there's hearsay that Sid may have you know, gone after

1369
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,920
arn Anderson. I don't know, and I've made no effort.

1370
01:09:54,039 --> 01:09:56,439
I've made no effort to find out before hiring him again.

1371
01:09:57,039 --> 01:10:00,560
Whether you know I'm I'm definitely somebody who has I

1372
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,359
have enough issues on my own business.

1373
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 8: Well then to understand your business. I understand you're busy,

1374
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,039
but you know, as someone who kind of is responsible

1375
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:10,199
for due diligence on new hires, here, can I can

1376
01:10:10,279 --> 01:10:11,119
I look into it for you?

1377
01:10:11,239 --> 01:10:14,319
Speaker 3: And hold on, hold on. I want to just just

1378
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,720
say something right here. I am not responsible for what

1379
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,880
other people do outside of my company. I am not

1380
01:10:22,079 --> 01:10:26,560
responsible for what people do in another company that is

1381
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,199
not my business. Are you holding me accountable for what

1382
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:30,760
Sid did?

1383
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 12: No?

1384
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: No, I think in WW no, But I think if

1385
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,439
you hire him saying that I stabbed an R Anderson,

1386
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:42,920
are you I'm not saying that I happened to be

1387
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:45,960
there at the same hotel, sir, But I am suggesting

1388
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,760
that if we hire him, Sar Anderson. Fifteen times, are

1389
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:52,640
you saying that I did that.

1390
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:56,199
Speaker 8: I am suggesting that if we hire him, we may

1391
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:57,800
share in a little bit of the culpability of what

1392
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,199
may happen next. Yes, I am if he comes here

1393
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:03,920
and I was not there. But if he comes here

1394
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,520
and pulls something similar, you can't.

1395
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 3: Actually, I do not tell Sid to kill arn Anderson.

1396
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,560
You did not. I did not.

1397
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 8: Why would you say that as if anybody was waiting

1398
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,640
for you to stipulate an answer, Because I want to.

1399
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 3: Let you know that I am not accountable for other

1400
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:29,159
men's actions. I did not conspire with Sid to attack

1401
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:34,560
ar Anderson. I did not say Sid, take the scissors

1402
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:37,720
and stab that son of a bitch.

1403
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 8: You did not say that.

1404
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: I did not. I did not say that, And I

1405
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:48,840
can tell you right now I was not in England.

1406
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,760
I have an alibi for that.

1407
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 8: Well, that was a weird thing to add there. Okay,

1408
01:11:58,199 --> 01:12:00,399
not not being in England is an off, even though

1409
01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:03,600
I don't think anybody would even accuse you of having

1410
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,079
been a letting you know that these are the facts, Okay,

1411
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:07,039
very good.

1412
01:12:07,119 --> 01:12:08,239
Speaker 3: I want to. I want to. I don't want to

1413
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:11,640
get any I don't want to be confused, all right,

1414
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:12,720
I don't want it there to be any.

1415
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 8: You know, I remember you were, you were, you were

1416
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:17,840
you were missing an action, and then you said it

1417
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,680
was because you knew the indictment was coming down the

1418
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,680
next month. But you were missing an action that last

1419
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:22,319
month of October.

1420
01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:23,119
Speaker 3: I don't remember you not.

1421
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 11: I was not.

1422
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 3: I was certainly the office and in other areas of

1423
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,960
the company. Well, yeah, you taught, Yeah, you told England

1424
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,079
you were not in England. No, I was not. I

1425
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:36,560
definitely Listen. You want to check my travel records, you can.

1426
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,760
You know there there is no evidence that I purchased

1427
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,720
a ticket to England in that time period.

1428
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 8: Well, no evidence of you purchasing a ticket is not

1429
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,600
the same as you not being in England. I just

1430
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:49,239
want to be clear.

1431
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:51,279
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't buy a ticket to go to England,

1432
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:54,359
so how can I be there? Did I swim? Is

1433
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:57,399
that where you're suggesting that I swam to England? I

1434
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,000
was not there. I couldn't from England because I wasn't

1435
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:01,560
in England.

1436
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 8: How do you feel about arn Anderson in general?

1437
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:07,520
Speaker 3: I think arn Anderson is a very uh is a

1438
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,840
is a proficient entertainer who has at a very lengthy

1439
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,479
career in this in the in this business. Who has

1440
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,079
you know, who has had the privilege of of gracing

1441
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:23,159
the squared circles of both other venues and the w

1442
01:13:23,279 --> 01:13:26,560
W E. And you know I, I simply have no

1443
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:27,720
opinion of him whatsoever.

1444
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 8: Arn Anderson, once dubbed by w W hansho a proficient entertainer,

1445
01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:49,560
died Wednesday. I am not responsible for sid stabbing someone

1446
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:53,439
in another company, Okay, And you're going to hire him again?

1447
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,119
And if he does something like that here, what are

1448
01:13:58,159 --> 01:13:59,359
we supposed to tell ourselves?

1449
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,399
Speaker 3: Well, depends on where he does it. Where he does

1450
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,119
it on premises of the of w W.

1451
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,199
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, let's say his own home. Does he stab

1452
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,399
I'm not suggesting, you know what I'm saying. If he

1453
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:10,920
does it on the road for us, like he did

1454
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:11,960
it on the road for them.

1455
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 3: Again, it depends where does he do it. What what's

1456
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,279
the constitution of him stabbing it?

1457
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:19,159
Speaker 8: And if he stabs one of our wrestlers in a

1458
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:20,159
hotel room fight.

1459
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 3: That depends.

1460
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:23,159
Speaker 8: How does it depend?

1461
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: It depends on on was it a personal matter? Was

1462
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,159
it a professional manner where you know, I I have

1463
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:29,680
a very.

1464
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,319
Speaker 8: Guess it depends whether he's penciled in for the next pause.

1465
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 3: You have a very specific jurisdiction.

1466
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I'm going to resign over I think

1467
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,479
I'm going to resign. I mean this is you can't resign.

1468
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:39,479
Excuse me.

1469
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 3: You're in a contract. And if you if you see,

1470
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,560
if you look at your contract, which I'm I guess

1471
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,479
you did not even.

1472
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 8: Though you're legal what even though you're in the legal department, I.

1473
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: Mean, given see you know, and it's kind of a

1474
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,560
pathetic thing. You are in the legal department, and you

1475
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,560
didn't look at over your own contract because it specifically

1476
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,800
says and I know it's is it because I added

1477
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:06,000
it myself. You cannot resign unless I give you permission

1478
01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:07,159
to and I don't.

1479
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,359
Speaker 8: But now that I know that's on your mind, pal,

1480
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:10,720
I have just the assignment for you.

1481
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:17,399
Speaker 3: Why don't you? I want so because you're now aware

1482
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,600
of this, of this clause in the contract, and you're

1483
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,840
aware of your lack of intelligence. What I would like

1484
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,000
you to do is I want you to travel with

1485
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:30,720
Sid to a a kitchen supply store and have him,

1486
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:36,600
uh you know, have him pick out knives to what end, Vince,

1487
01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:41,079
to the end, Well, the sharp end going inside your physique.

1488
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:49,119
Speaker 8: That's you would say it. Pal, look at me, I

1489
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:52,239
want you to buy the knives Sid will stab you

1490
01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:52,680
with Pal.

1491
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 3: You're gonna pay them. You're gonna pay for them with

1492
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,000
your own money. You will not get refunded. This is

1493
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:03,039
not a petty cash situation. But what is petty is me.

1494
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:10,560
I'm petty and I have no problem encouraging, insisting, and

1495
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,760
ordering Sid to stab the shit out of you.

1496
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:18,359
Speaker 8: There it is, Well, there's that's what the FBI has

1497
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:19,880
been waiting for in the van out back.

1498
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:21,199
Speaker 3: Time to move in.

1499
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:23,079
Speaker 8: Boys, we've got our evidence.

1500
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:25,199
Speaker 11: All that.

1501
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 8: Vince McMahon would say, I've got no problem paying for

1502
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,600
the knives that Sid will use to stab the shit

1503
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,199
out of you. No wonder they thought they could get

1504
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:36,840
him on conspiracy exactly, No telling what he said on

1505
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:41,720
a wire that ended up being inadmissible, tremendous, tremendous stuff.

1506
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,800
So yeah, all that adds up to Sid coming back.

1507
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,439
If you ask me, and the question that Brian last

1508
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:48,920
asked there on a Cornett's podcast, did Vince care about

1509
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:49,439
the stabbing?

1510
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 12: No?

1511
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,359
Speaker 8: No, I think we knew the answer before we even

1512
01:16:53,399 --> 01:16:56,920
asked the question, and uh, it shall be done.

1513
01:16:57,039 --> 01:16:58,119
Speaker 22: All right, Who's it gonna be.

1514
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 3: Like this?

1515
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 22: And you mayn't be given the natural, god given ability

1516
01:17:08,199 --> 01:17:13,359
that the Heartbreak Kid has got and not be the

1517
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:20,880
envy of every superstar in the World Wrestling Federation. I mean,

1518
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:26,520
I can beat any superstar in the World Wrestling Federation

1519
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:32,600
one on one, but even the Heartbreak Kid can't beat

1520
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:37,880
everybody in the World Wrestling Federation. I mean, yeah, exactly,

1521
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,960
I mean not all the same time, anyway. And it

1522
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:45,600
is for that reason that I have found it necessary

1523
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,000
to have a man to watch my back.

1524
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 23: The suspense continues to do is exactly what I have done.

1525
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 22: I have talked about it for weeks and tonight, folks,

1526
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:01,359
it's the night.

1527
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:09,239
Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, the new bodyguard of the Heartbreak Kid.

1528
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:14,479
I'm big, how bad? All this is sick?

1529
01:18:16,279 --> 01:18:16,319
Speaker 11: What?

1530
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1531
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:19,520
Speaker 2: Said?

1532
01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 4: Whoa un believable It is him.

1533
01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:27,279
Speaker 15: I can't believe it.

1534
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 4: I can't believe why.

1535
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 24: Don't know anythink he talks to anybody anything if I

1536
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:32,640
come to him.

1537
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,359
Speaker 4: This guy is a side cone, he's a nice he's

1538
01:18:35,399 --> 01:18:36,079
a logan chick.

1539
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 3: Nobody wants it around. Take a look at this.

1540
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 4: Monster, get him. Tell me it was gonna be here.

1541
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,039
I don't even want to be at ringside? What it show?

1542
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:52,960
Michaelst Gan, he's cracked up.

1543
01:18:53,039 --> 01:18:53,600
Speaker 22: I think.

1544
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:03,079
Speaker 4: Keep this and seeing is believing.

1545
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:09,239
Speaker 22: The eyes of every superstar and the World Wrestling Federation

1546
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,079
are popping out of their skulls.

1547
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 4: Tell him, big man, say at that.

1548
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 5: They the people.

1549
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 6: Around the world or asking the question Sean Michaels, why

1550
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:29,920
why take the chance on another bodyguard with lees? Oh

1551
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:37,840
turned his back on you when times got tough, Say

1552
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,000
I'll tell you why?

1553
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:42,239
Speaker 5: Then he could trust me.

1554
01:19:43,079 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 4: We sit down, we had a talk and then the

1555
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,520
man relaxed like that that.

1556
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 6: One that sid you are a man that has no feelings,

1557
01:19:56,399 --> 01:20:06,239
no remorse for any ve So the second of all,

1558
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:13,640
the most important, that I will be by his side

1559
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:15,800
at all times.

1560
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 13: Yes, in all times when the times are good, oh yeah,

1561
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,600
and when the times are bad.

1562
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 6: But my brothers to him is simple. There will be

1563
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,880
no bad times. And how can I sit here and

1564
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:40,960
I say this? We're a simple together the heartbreak in

1565
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,880
and myself we will.

1566
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:51,199
Speaker 3: Rule the world. He's the why look at this?

1567
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,520
Speaker 4: Because I am the man the cold ship.

1568
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:03,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you heard it. We'll be back, ladies, and gentlemen.

1569
01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:07,079
Speaker 4: We'll be back.

1570
01:21:08,119 --> 01:21:18,039
Speaker 3: Ladies. Were you watching? I didn't wait a minute. I

1571
01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:18,520
don't remember.

1572
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 8: I feel like I was told. Yeah, me too, I

1573
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:22,840
feel like I was told.

1574
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 3: But I did. Also, you know, this was during the

1575
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:26,560
time I was.

1576
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,279
Speaker 10: Uh, I was.

1577
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 3: Taping it every week. I couldn't stay up that late, right,

1578
01:21:36,079 --> 01:21:40,279
you know I was. I couldn't stay up. Yeah, I

1579
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:42,920
usually went to better Around nine is when my parents

1580
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:43,720
would send me to bed.

1581
01:21:44,079 --> 01:21:46,199
Speaker 8: And this is a time. You know, the ratings tell

1582
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:48,239
the story. The attendant tells the story that a lot

1583
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:50,159
of fans who dialed in in the late eighties and

1584
01:21:50,199 --> 01:21:53,319
early nineties like we did, lost a lot of interest. Yeah,

1585
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,199
we we kind of aged out for a little while.

1586
01:21:56,079 --> 01:21:57,279
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't.

1587
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 8: No, I'm not saying you did, but I'm saying you weren't,

1588
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:03,560
and you know, not following every single live minute.

1589
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,239
Speaker 3: Well I did. The thing is I did. I definitely

1590
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:09,560
taped every single week because I know that I was

1591
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,600
watching all the time. I mean, by this point I

1592
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,760
knew that Rob was the only show to watch. I

1593
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:18,359
wasn't watching weekend television anymore, so I was. I mean,

1594
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:22,920
I was watching more than ever at this point. Nice,

1595
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,960
it's it's it's weird. But I was definitely watching more than.

1596
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 8: Ever because a lot weren't. I mean, the ratings were

1597
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:28,359
just pathetic.

1598
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I was.

1599
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:30,159
Speaker 13: I was.

1600
01:22:31,039 --> 01:22:34,079
Speaker 3: I was one who was watching all the goddamn time and.

1601
01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 8: The house shows.

1602
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 15: You know.

1603
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 8: Of course the blizzard was a factor, but in nineteen

1604
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,279
ninety five Live Attendants was a complete joke. The pay

1605
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:42,760
per views, especially the introduction in Your House a complete joke.

1606
01:22:43,239 --> 01:22:45,319
And Sid's there for all of it. As we've talked about,

1607
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:47,520
that's part of the overlying thesis of you don't bring

1608
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,239
in SID to pop business. You bring in Sid.

1609
01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 3: This business is so bad you need to Yep, you're

1610
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,239
desperate for something exactly. You're reaching hilarious that I guess

1611
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:56,159
you're desperate for Sid.

1612
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:59,279
Speaker 8: There he is coming back despite all that's happened. And

1613
01:22:59,399 --> 01:23:01,720
it's interesting couple of things. They have the music right away,

1614
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:05,000
the Psycho music. I think that's the first time we've

1615
01:23:05,039 --> 01:23:06,880
ever heard that song on WWF television.

1616
01:23:07,279 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 3: For sure. That was not that was That was an original.

1617
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,399
Speaker 8: A Jim Johnston song. Yep, yep, that's the February twentieth,

1618
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,199
nineteen ninety five edition of Raw. So that's just what

1619
01:23:19,399 --> 01:23:22,479
three weeks after he loses the USWA title to Jerry

1620
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,680
Lawler in Memphis. Wow, and we've got him penciled in here.

1621
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:27,640
And so he walks to the ring of that music

1622
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,560
and the fact that that you know, you hear Cornett

1623
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,239
say psycho on commentary, but he's not called psycho Sid

1624
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:36,079
yet they say Sid. They say he's vicious, he's this,

1625
01:23:36,199 --> 01:23:40,760
and that he's psycho. But I think the fact that

1626
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,359
they chose that music says all you need to know

1627
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,920
about how front and center. The fact he stabbed arn

1628
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,479
Anderson was in their mind. Yes, indeed, when they were

1629
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,039
thinking about the new presentation. So I don't blame Sid

1630
01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:56,319
at all for coming to that conclusion. It struck me,

1631
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,520
as we go through the life and times of Sid,

1632
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,159
that this might be a time to quickly pause on Psycho.

1633
01:24:01,399 --> 01:24:03,760
I mean, it's not something we've taken under the cinnemat yet.

1634
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,560
I'm sure whatever the time comes, if you consider it eligible,

1635
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,239
it's going to be a huge mountain to climb.

1636
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,119
Speaker 3: Oh, it's it certainly is. It's it's a it's a

1637
01:24:13,039 --> 01:24:14,960
it's a it's a game changer in so many ways.

1638
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:17,119
Speaker 8: We are sitting here in scary movie season, and if

1639
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:19,359
nothing else, it may serve as an appetizer for a

1640
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:22,319
future scary movie season. If this, if this helps it qualify,

1641
01:24:22,399 --> 01:24:23,359
I mean I guess it does.

1642
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 3: I guess it does. I mean yeah, I mean if

1643
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,640
they're if they really, I mean yeah. The music, for sure,

1644
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,279
I didn't even know it's funny. I've always wanted to

1645
01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:32,039
figure out a way to get Psycho under Then it's

1646
01:24:32,119 --> 01:24:33,560
right there in front of my face the whole.

1647
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 8: Time, because when what scene? What scene is it?

1648
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 3: For those that don't know, Oh, it's the shower scene,

1649
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,760
the shower scene. It's any it's really it's not just

1650
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,720
a shower scene. It's any killing scene that happens in

1651
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:51,119
the movie. And uh uh you know, whenever, whenever the

1652
01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:56,800
knife comes out, it's uh, you know, the music, the

1653
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:02,439
violin starts shriekinging, hang Hanks, it's Bernard Herman at his

1654
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:03,640
absolute fucking mess.

1655
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 8: Who was Bernard Herman?

1656
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: Quickly, who wasn't her barn Herman was one of the

1657
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:13,199
greatest fucking film composers of all time, all time greats.

1658
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:22,199
He composed so many Hitchcock movies. He did Vertigo obviously,

1659
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:29,960
he did Psycho, he did north By Northwest, just some

1660
01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:35,119
of the most incredible, uh you know, soundtracks and scores

1661
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:39,600
for films. He just he was brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

1662
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 8: So that's that's his creation.

1663
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 3: That sound yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a Bernard

1664
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:46,960
Herman piece right there.

1665
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 8: So they throw it right in there at the top

1666
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,039
of his entrance music. And this is the new presentation

1667
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:51,840
right out of the gate.

1668
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:52,239
Speaker 3: You heard it.

1669
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 8: It's not like they figured it out after he powered

1670
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,279
momb Sean five times he he was coming out to

1671
01:25:57,319 --> 01:25:59,319
because I've heard Bruce say that that he doesn't remember it,

1672
01:25:59,319 --> 01:26:01,399
and I think we'll a clip that says that he

1673
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:03,720
doesn't remember him being framed a psycho SID until after

1674
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,359
he turns on Sean, and of course that made him

1675
01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:07,880
that much crazier. He kind of was portrayed as having snapped,

1676
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,520
but the music was ready to go before he ever

1677
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:12,359
turned on Sean. And that's all you need to know.

1678
01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:17,279
As for alternative people who say they had everything to

1679
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:20,960
do with SID coming back, Kevin Nash is on the list.

1680
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,359
You want to think about Kevin Nash going back to

1681
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,000
WCW days when they shared cars together. As Kevin was

1682
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:29,239
breaking down as Oz and Sid was really hitting stride

1683
01:26:29,239 --> 01:26:32,840
as a headliner and an early stage horseman, an early

1684
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,359
stage relative to his career.

1685
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 25: Oh yeah, fucking you know, yeah, Sid, you know, he's

1686
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:44,399
a fucking great guy. You know, go way back, workout barbers.

1687
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,039
I've never seen someone work out harder than Sid. You're

1688
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:47,800
not going to work.

1689
01:26:48,319 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. You know, guy try so hard

1690
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:59,600
with so little. And that's fucking said. Yeah, he's just

1691
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,520
gonna go out there. He's gonna say, you know, I

1692
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:08,119
am gonna fucking bench press eight hundred pounds and you're

1693
01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:09,960
not gonna tell me shit about it, you know.

1694
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:12,399
Speaker 8: And I know people go on and on about you know,

1695
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,199
he's greedy left and people holding the bag. And you

1696
01:27:16,279 --> 01:27:18,079
know what I say that, I said, look, how many

1697
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:22,479
cans of Vienna sausages have you put together for your church?

1698
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:23,199
Speaker 22: You know?

1699
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:29,239
Speaker 3: The thing about Sid is, you know, people don't consider

1700
01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:33,039
the fact that you know, he's he's you know, everyone

1701
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:36,439
talks about him holding up people for money. You know,

1702
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,279
he's he's uh, you know, he's trying to fucking grab

1703
01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:41,960
every dime he can out of a out of a

1704
01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:46,439
fucking uh, you know company. But you know, it's a

1705
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,119
fucking dog eat dog business, you know, and you know,

1706
01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:54,199
what what do is sid do with that fucking money?

1707
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:57,399
He buys a bunch of fucking Vienna hot dogs, some

1708
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:58,479
Vienna sausages.

1709
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:58,680
Speaker 11: You know.

1710
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,159
Speaker 3: It says, fucking I'm a dog and we need a dog.

1711
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,119
Give me my old fucking canned Vienna dog.

1712
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:10,079
Speaker 10: He sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and

1713
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:11,840
I sent him an autograph picture.

1714
01:28:13,039 --> 01:28:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't lie. I fucking one time I sent him,

1715
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,359
you know, I said, uh, you know, hey, yeah, I said,

1716
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:20,079
what do you need, bro?

1717
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 11: You know?

1718
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 3: He said, you know, I kind of donate some fucking uh,

1719
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,920
you know, some fucking Viennas to my uh, to my church.

1720
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,800
I said, yeah, dude, I'll take it. I'll bring it

1721
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,439
to you, you know. And I sent him down about

1722
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:38,760
a couple of cases worth, and he yeah. About maybe

1723
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:41,039
two weeks later, I'm on the road and he sends

1724
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:45,039
me a fucking uh autograph picture, says, hey, keV, this

1725
01:28:45,239 --> 01:28:49,560
is for you, Bud. I said, all right, guess I'll

1726
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,319
put this next to my fucking uh, you know, my

1727
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,399
original monet, my fucking wall and Kevin.

1728
01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:58,399
Speaker 8: You would have been really impressed by the off Broadway

1729
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:02,640
show said was invited to star in uh Shakespearean influence.

1730
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:03,399
You know what it was called?

1731
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 11: What was that?

1732
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 8: The Merchant of Viennas.

1733
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 10: He sent my church at Casey, Vienna sausages and I

1734
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:18,359
sent him an autograph picture. He sent my church at

1735
01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:22,359
Casey Na sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.

1736
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:29,560
He sent my church all right, sorryages, and I sent

1737
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:30,880
him an autograph picture.

1738
01:29:31,359 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 8: There's Kevin Nash on this podcast talking about who really

1739
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,319
suggested bringing in Sid in ninety five to the w W.

1740
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 26: We had good? I begged, we had really good. I

1741
01:29:47,119 --> 01:29:51,000
begged Sean Beggs if we begged to get him back,

1742
01:29:51,119 --> 01:29:52,319
you know, to get him back in?

1743
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 3: And what what were you met with? He put it

1744
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:57,960
on us.

1745
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 26: He said, you fucking get you know, I don't think

1746
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:08,520
you guys need it, but if you think so, then

1747
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,039
you know, Sean, then bring you know, bring him in.

1748
01:30:12,119 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 10: We'll bring him in.

1749
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:16,039
Speaker 11: H So.

1750
01:30:22,319 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 3: He also was another fucking Shakespeare you know, he did

1751
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:30,199
two Gentlemen of Vienna's. Yeah. I said, fuck it, you know,

1752
01:30:30,279 --> 01:30:32,920
I said, hey, you know he's he's got a fucking

1753
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:35,520
he's ready. You know, you get on stage right now,

1754
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:43,960
take care of business fucking fuck it. It's on you.

1755
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 8: Hey, we're bringing Sid. Oh h hope, Ellen's on you.

1756
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:50,119
You're responsible for him.

1757
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:57,399
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean all right, you know ship, Well, we'll

1758
01:30:57,479 --> 01:30:58,279
take care of Sid.

1759
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,079
Speaker 8: See what happens, and then they do the meeting. We

1760
01:31:01,119 --> 01:31:03,960
always talk about where they have the fake meeting after

1761
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:06,640
to convince Bruce that he had to roll the decision. Right,

1762
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,560
Oh my god, you know the dye is already carried.

1763
01:31:09,319 --> 01:31:13,359
Speaker 3: All right, listen, everybody, we're gonna tell you what we got.

1764
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:14,960
We got said, we'll take care of it.

1765
01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 8: Good job, Kevin, keV Dots sit in. Kevin thinks he's

1766
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:18,359
gonna work with him.

1767
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 3: I need everybody, all right, I need everybody to come

1768
01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:22,840
in and just stay here, all right. I need to

1769
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,359
tell you what. I need everyone to leave, all right,

1770
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,640
come back in about fifteen minutes, because that's when that's

1771
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,399
when Bruce will be here. And what we're gonna do

1772
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,680
is we're just gonna we're gonna we're gonna just shut

1773
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:36,840
up and let him come up with the idea.

1774
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,199
Speaker 8: Just have a brainstorming session. Yeah, we'll have a brainstorming

1775
01:31:39,239 --> 01:31:41,720
session about what Sean needs to feel like more of

1776
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:42,600
a threat to Deesel.

1777
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 3: What's going to get him over in a battle against Diesel?

1778
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,880
And everyone come up with ideas and if he if

1779
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,399
he doesn't chime in right away with something, uh, someone

1780
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:53,880
just say hey, you know what if we got him

1781
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,640
a new bodyguard and then let him go from there

1782
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,920
because he's I just listen. I know I do this

1783
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,680
a lot. I know that it's a pain in the ass,

1784
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,239
and I appreciate you doing this for me. I'm going

1785
01:32:05,279 --> 01:32:07,800
to tell you right now it makes everybody's life a

1786
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:08,600
hell of a lot easier.

1787
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 8: Well, then, just quickly, I mean, what have you done

1788
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,239
before this meeting to assure that if someone brings up

1789
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:13,840
bodyguard that he will say Sid?

1790
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 3: Well, So what I did was I actually I sat

1791
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:25,560
down and I told him what I know. I told

1792
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,439
him about my first hand account of watching Sid stop

1793
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:29,600
stab er ar Anderson.

1794
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 8: Excuse me, first hand account?

1795
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 3: I what did I know?

1796
01:32:34,119 --> 01:32:34,159
Speaker 12: No?

1797
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, you said first hand account right.

1798
01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. The story was fast enough I could

1799
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:42,680
counted on one hand.

1800
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 8: Oh my god, you know you're one of the great

1801
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,119
cat burglars in the world.

1802
01:32:58,279 --> 01:32:58,520
Speaker 3: Marv.

1803
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:18,079
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

1804
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:19,920
knows the boys need their candy.

1805
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:37,399
Speaker 2: It's the lapsed fan. He's the lapsed Fan.

1806
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneso and Jpi Soro.

1807
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:44,600
Speaker 8: This guy now wonder. He thinks people stepping in shit

1808
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:46,640
is so funny. He does it four times a day.

1809
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,279
Oh my god, that was good. That's a great callback.

1810
01:33:55,159 --> 01:33:58,079
Speaker 10: He sent my church a case of Vienna sausages, and

1811
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:00,159
I sent him an autograph picture.

1812
01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:04,239
Speaker 8: For playing callbacks. So Sean takes to his book and

1813
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:05,079
talks about this.

1814
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:14,239
Speaker 3: Picture. Oh what a deal. Okay, I guess that wordth

1815
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:17,279
one hundred thie fucking tartans of Vienna.

1816
01:34:17,039 --> 01:34:20,119
Speaker 8: Sausages in jeff Town, hounding his grandma to send Vienna's

1817
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:23,159
to the church so he can get so he can

1818
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:26,680
get an autograph date bite ten in the mail. Oh god,

1819
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:28,920
so I hear Sean and his book talking about this

1820
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,600
fascinating time period that leads the return of Sid. Despite

1821
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,239
our good show with the Rumble, Vince had two big

1822
01:34:34,279 --> 01:34:36,680
warriors going in to WrestleMania eleven. The first with was

1823
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,920
whether our fans would buy the possibility of me beating

1824
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,800
a guy as big as Kevin, and the second was

1825
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,479
the overall health of the company. To alleviate his first worry,

1826
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,720
he decided to bring in psycho Sid as my bodyguard.

1827
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:46,199
Speaker 3: So there it is.

1828
01:34:46,319 --> 01:34:49,119
Speaker 8: That's not that's not Kevin suggesting it, that's not Bruce

1829
01:34:49,119 --> 01:34:52,520
suggesting it. That's Vince coming up with it. Sid was

1830
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:54,520
very big, six ' eight over n three hundred pounds

1831
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,840
and very intimidating. You get a different character than Kevin.

1832
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,000
He wasn't funny and loose and always wore a scowl

1833
01:34:59,039 --> 01:35:00,800
when the cameras were on, and Sid looked like a

1834
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,520
real tough guy. You knew Kevin was tough, but that

1835
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,319
wasn't the first thing you noticed about him. He would

1836
01:35:04,359 --> 01:35:05,760
sort of lully you in a sense of comfort and

1837
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,520
then beat you up. This was more than just a

1838
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,239
subtle little difference between the two, and Sid's edge gave

1839
01:35:10,279 --> 01:35:12,640
me the equalizer that Vince was looking for. With Sid

1840
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,079
by my side, Kevin's title was in real jeopardy. Sid,

1841
01:35:15,159 --> 01:35:17,600
for his part, was very into playing my bodyguard. See.

1842
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,640
I never saw Sid as someone that was going to

1843
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:22,920
cheat to help Sean win the belt, or someone that

1844
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,199
was even going to necessarily attack Kevin. I just thought

1845
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:27,239
of him as someone that would like bou Shan's confidence

1846
01:35:27,279 --> 01:35:31,159
almost like right, Like Sean knows he can beat Diesel,

1847
01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:33,039
but if he has Sid by his side, then everybody

1848
01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:35,560
else knows they can't fuck with Sean.

1849
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,239
Speaker 3: Like right, right, right? I mean that's the thing, Like

1850
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:39,880
I don't think he's going to help him cheat, but

1851
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,359
like if someone comes to mess with Sean, he's gonna

1852
01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:43,159
kick their ass.

1853
01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:46,560
Speaker 8: Right exactly because he needs to keep himself out of

1854
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,640
the fires. He knows he's going to start so that

1855
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:51,159
he can be at his best against Diesel for the

1856
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:53,399
title of WrestleMania. I never thought of Sid as some

1857
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,000
of those going to attack and it Nash and he

1858
01:35:55,079 --> 01:35:58,199
doesn't really, that's the thing. He doesn't really go after him, right,

1859
01:35:58,239 --> 01:35:59,760
So like he powered moms him three times on the

1860
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,079
Rock before WrestleMania, you know, or anything like that. The

1861
01:36:03,159 --> 01:36:05,760
next day, Sean writes, we had a television taping in Poughkeepsie.

1862
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,399
When I arrived at the building, Vince told me he

1863
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,880
wanted to talk Sean. We were going to switch you, babyface.

1864
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:12,520
What it's because of the kickout, isn't it?

1865
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:12,600
Speaker 3: No?

1866
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:13,399
Speaker 8: I skipped ahead a bit.

1867
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,520
Speaker 3: Well I didn't. I didn't. Are you upset with that?

1868
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,960
I didn't mean to upset you what kind of you

1869
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,439
don't have to know, you don't have to if you

1870
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:22,039
don't want to, don't be babyfaced.

1871
01:36:22,319 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 8: Whatever you need oh, I mean ar Wrestling Federation. I

1872
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:26,920
kind of want to do whatever you think is best

1873
01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:28,359
Jack for the World Wrestling Federation.

1874
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,600
Speaker 3: What can I do? What can I do? Please?

1875
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,039
Speaker 8: I have news for you. What you gotta do? Whatever

1876
01:36:33,079 --> 01:36:37,279
you want by the heart break yead and we'll Wrestling Federation.

1877
01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 3: What can I do for the heart break? Good?

1878
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:45,520
Speaker 8: You can say it like that.

1879
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 3: You can.

1880
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 8: Please tell me I need you Well, I'll tell you what, Vince.

1881
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,319
Here's what I can do. I can get you an

1882
01:36:57,319 --> 01:37:00,159
autograph picture of Sid if you do the following.

1883
01:37:00,199 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 10: Shid my church at Casey Beanna Sausages And I sent

1884
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:04,760
him an autograph picture.

1885
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,159
Speaker 3: Done. I need an autogo picture of Sid.

1886
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 8: He needs it because that's what Sean offered when he

1887
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,079
asked him what can I do? How funny is that?

1888
01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:19,319
And he pretends he needs a picture of Sid.

1889
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:30,359
Speaker 3: Whatever I need I need from Sean Sean? Hold on ready, whatever.

1890
01:37:30,079 --> 01:37:33,079
Speaker 8: I need I need from Sean Sean?

1891
01:37:34,079 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, John John John Sean.

1892
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:45,039
Speaker 8: Did you hang up? Did we lose did we lose

1893
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:45,600
the connection?

1894
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:47,239
Speaker 11: No?

1895
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:48,279
Speaker 3: He and I are connected.

1896
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:50,079
Speaker 8: We will never lose the connection.

1897
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:56,319
Speaker 3: The Souls Souls of Connectivity, the.

1898
01:37:56,359 --> 01:37:59,239
Speaker 8: Tag team of Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon, collectively known

1899
01:38:00,279 --> 01:38:04,000
as Souls of Connectivity Connectivity.

1900
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 3: You can see it.

1901
01:38:06,359 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 8: Whip up the shirt, Souls of Connectivity, I mean the

1902
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:15,520
beating heart, Vince's furrowed brow, every rights itself. We're gonna

1903
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,359
switch your baby face. It's because of the kickout, isn't

1904
01:38:17,399 --> 01:38:18,960
it now? I skipped ahead in the book and the

1905
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:20,640
book he talks about how in the body of the

1906
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,720
WrestleMania eleven match with Kevin Nash, there's a spot they

1907
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:29,479
call where Sean kicks out of no Diesel kicks out

1908
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,439
of the belloted beat the two drops supplex and everybody

1909
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,359
thought that that was going to be Sean winning the

1910
01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:38,479
belt and by doing yeah something like that, there's a

1911
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,960
spot in the match. There's a spot on the match

1912
01:38:42,359 --> 01:38:45,920
where Diesel kicks out, and like they should have known

1913
01:38:46,039 --> 01:38:48,239
that what that would do was piss the crowd off

1914
01:38:48,399 --> 01:38:51,399
that Sean didn't win the belt. Instead of thinking they

1915
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,039
would think Diesel was a superhero for kicking out, because

1916
01:38:54,039 --> 01:38:55,760
if they were reading the crowd right, they would know

1917
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,199
that there wouldn't be the desired effect if they called

1918
01:38:59,239 --> 01:39:02,520
that spot, but they did it anyway, further compounding this

1919
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,199
feeling from the crowd that, oh my god, like, now

1920
01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:07,800
you know, we want him to win the belt, and

1921
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,760
you're gonna tease us with him winning the belt and

1922
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,199
expect us to then turn around and be excited when

1923
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:15,520
Diesel ultimately wins. It's one thing is not Diesel just

1924
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:16,119
runs him over.

1925
01:39:16,319 --> 01:39:21,640
Speaker 3: You know, how can you not be excited? I'm excited?

1926
01:39:22,079 --> 01:39:29,399
How much merch diesel Mania? Hello, obviously, huh.

1927
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:31,279
Speaker 8: He goes, So you're not excited. I'm excited. He goes

1928
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,439
diesel Mania. Like, do I have to say it? Do

1929
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,119
I really have to say it out loud?

1930
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 3: I mean, can't what this is? What I don't understand.

1931
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:48,319
This is excitement personified diesel maniacs. Oh.

1932
01:39:48,359 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 8: I can see him in every corner of the world.

1933
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm winning right now in my pants.

1934
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 8: I'm winning right now. All these kids with the black

1935
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:04,800
leather love on. You know, we're talking hip, We're talking

1936
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,960
merch pal We're talking licensing, adjacencies.

1937
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:12,199
Speaker 3: Merch hip, merch right right, that's what we do. We hip.

1938
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:15,199
Speaker 8: Would the fanny pack be hip? Merch.

1939
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:17,159
Speaker 3: I think it would be. I think we can also

1940
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,439
hide merch in the fannie pack.

1941
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,039
Speaker 8: Remember the fanny pack that looked like the WWF title.

1942
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:30,319
Speaker 3: Oh it's a fucking lame. I can't believe fanny packs

1943
01:40:30,319 --> 01:40:32,720
are back right now. It nauseates me.

1944
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 8: Well, they're back because it didn't used to be better.

1945
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:35,079
Speaker 3: I know.

1946
01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 8: They just the kids keep proving that we didn't live

1947
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:41,319
in any kind of golden age by trying desperately to

1948
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:44,239
dress up like we did. I mean, I guess bell

1949
01:40:44,279 --> 01:40:47,600
bottoms came back for twenty four hours when we were kids,

1950
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,840
but for the most part were kids desperately trying to

1951
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:50,880
dress like the seventies.

1952
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 15: No, the.

1953
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,600
Speaker 3: Right, the opposite, Yeah, very interesting, But I mean the

1954
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:02,000
bell bottoms. I mean actually that Yeah, that was like yeah,

1955
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,479
and that was like two years and.

1956
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 8: It was jeans in the shape of bell bottoms. It

1957
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:12,600
wasn't slacks, right right, Okay? And he says, you know

1958
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,760
that that kickout was a bad call on my part.

1959
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:15,279
Speaker 3: I admit it.

1960
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,159
Speaker 8: Why is it affecting me? I'm the only heel that

1961
01:41:17,239 --> 01:41:19,359
you have. They like you, the people like you. Sean

1962
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,439
Vince said, yeah, you saw that right in the high

1963
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:21,880
gear tour.

1964
01:41:22,279 --> 01:41:23,279
Speaker 3: I did, I did.

1965
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:25,520
Speaker 8: They like me, but they like to hate me. Now

1966
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,119
is not the time you make the mistake and it

1967
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:30,239
costs me in my career. I was not happy. We're

1968
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:32,960
going to have Sid drop you injure you tonight and

1969
01:41:33,079 --> 01:41:36,439
you'll go home for six weeks. And so it was

1970
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:41,359
boss the April third, nineteen ninety five edition of Monday

1971
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:47,159
Night Raw, the following takes place, Big.

1972
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:50,640
Speaker 22: Daddy, I'll return the favorite, all right, But what about uh?

1973
01:41:51,039 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 4: What about Sid?

1974
01:41:52,079 --> 01:41:53,279
Speaker 16: The comments made by Diesel.

1975
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:57,199
Speaker 22: Look, Look, as far as Sid is concerned, I can

1976
01:41:57,319 --> 01:42:00,520
live my life just fine without a bodyguard.

1977
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1978
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 4: I got here because of the heartbreak.

1979
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:06,359
Speaker 5: Kid.

1980
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:13,039
Speaker 22: Quite honestly, I don't need a bodyguard, and I certainly

1981
01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:18,439
don't need a bodyguard to cause the referee to turn.

1982
01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 3: His ankle and cost me the.

1983
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 22: World Wrestling Federation Championship soon. As far as the rematch

1984
01:42:28,119 --> 01:42:32,600
is concerned, Big Sid, I'm gonna do your favorite, big

1985
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:37,840
man in this rematch. I'm giving you the night off.

1986
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,880
Let they tell you something. He's stupid, little kid.

1987
01:42:43,279 --> 01:42:47,279
Speaker 5: As we stand here, there's days I've gone by.

1988
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 18: I get the feeling you wouldn't believe these days that

1989
01:42:52,079 --> 01:42:53,039
you're saying.

1990
01:42:53,239 --> 01:42:55,079
Speaker 23: Wait a minute, we're gonna have to take a break.

1991
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,159
Speaker 5: I know, I just cruel off.

1992
01:42:57,279 --> 01:42:58,079
Speaker 3: I'm on the place.

1993
01:42:58,359 --> 01:43:01,079
Speaker 5: No, you wouldn't believe these days. Never gonna tell you

1994
01:43:01,319 --> 01:43:08,159
something boring. You don't give me, then I have.

1995
01:43:11,039 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 4: Donkid me nothing but respect.

1996
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 3: Probably got to thank a right, just thinking, did they

1997
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,279
really go for a break? Totally?

1998
01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 4: God, turn it right, you won't.

1999
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:30,399
Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

2000
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,279
Speaker 4: I know this guy was gonna flip further lighter his life.

2001
01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 3: Shuden.

2002
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 4: I goes out, what's going on ahead, huh son snuff.

2003
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,119
Speaker 8: They go off the air. They're alive, and they totally

2004
01:43:42,199 --> 01:43:44,640
miss timed o. People will forget that that the first

2005
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,119
airing of this. Uh, they go to break and when

2006
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:49,920
they come back, he's already power bombed. We don't see

2007
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:51,680
the power bomb until the next week on Raw when

2008
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:52,239
they replay it.

2009
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:54,399
Speaker 3: Holy shit, I don't remember that at all.

2010
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 8: And and here's what it sounded like the next week

2011
01:43:57,760 --> 01:43:59,279
when they were able to play the whole thing.

2012
01:44:01,159 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 22: All right.

2013
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,720
Speaker 16: Now, here's what you didn't see, ladies and gentlemen. Now

2014
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,399
Sean was hurting and he had had enough of said

2015
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,840
look look at him, get right in the sid's face.

2016
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,399
Look at Sid, backing up from Seawn Michael's walk.

2017
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:13,039
Speaker 5: I've been beat up.

2018
01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 22: Why bigger and better people than you, but nobody has

2019
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,680
been on to keep me down. You want some listening ball,

2020
01:44:20,039 --> 01:44:25,079
you can't have it out of the help, I'm sure king,

2021
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:26,439
I don't nature craft.

2022
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:30,159
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, now comes the act of cowardice. Watch this

2023
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:32,239
sit next Here that Shawn's backing turned to blood.

2024
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:39,640
Speaker 23: From behind, this big, bad, tough monster, said, attacking Sean

2025
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:41,119
Michaels from behind.

2026
01:44:41,159 --> 01:44:43,039
Speaker 4: Michaels, who had added question in.

2027
01:44:43,079 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 23: The toughest match of his career the night before against Big.

2028
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 4: Danny Cool Diesels.

2029
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 23: And look the powerful he went up so high he

2030
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:54,279
went all the way over, landing on him, hipping his shoulder.

2031
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 4: That wasn't enough, No, no, Sid was out to teach

2032
01:44:57,720 --> 01:44:58,439
Sean Michaels a.

2033
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 16: Lesson, a lesson that Michael would never forget.

2034
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:01,399
Speaker 3: Sid.

2035
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:08,600
Speaker 23: But yet, powerbomb after power bomb after powerbomb, Sid continued

2036
01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:13,199
to relish in attempting to destroy the man who brought

2037
01:45:13,319 --> 01:45:15,279
him back to the World Rustling Federation.

2038
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,319
Speaker 4: This was gratitude for you.

2039
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:22,520
Speaker 23: Unquestionably, Sid living up to his moniker known as Psycho Sid.

2040
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:26,920
SID was completely out of control and yet another powerbomb.

2041
01:45:27,079 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, had to wonder just how.

2042
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 23: Many power bombs pro lunch damage would Sid have done

2043
01:45:33,319 --> 01:45:34,880
to Sean Michael's back.

2044
01:45:35,319 --> 01:45:38,159
Speaker 4: It was obvious that was the area that Sid wanted

2045
01:45:38,199 --> 01:45:38,720
to attack.

2046
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,720
Speaker 23: Michaels had made reference to it earlier in the interview

2047
01:45:42,039 --> 01:45:44,760
and look at Sid with an insult of his boot.

2048
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,319
Now on the backup Sean Michaels be rating him verbally

2049
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:54,439
and till, ladies and gentlemen, but ww champion Diezel Hurrah

2050
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,880
going this sin and all of a sudden, thing bad

2051
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,560
Sid turned into a coward looking h room and Diesel

2052
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:05,239
asking for help to come in and meanwhile keeping his

2053
01:46:05,399 --> 01:46:06,560
distance from the ring.

2054
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,239
Speaker 4: This psycho, the Sid.

2055
01:46:11,159 --> 01:46:15,199
Speaker 23: And the look of concern on Diesel's face told the

2056
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,640
entire story. Yes it didn't Ben Shawn Michaels of every

2057
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:22,359
night before he had faced Diesel for the WWF title,

2058
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:23,880
went all that aside.

2059
01:46:25,039 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 4: It came down to.

2060
01:46:27,319 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 16: Diesel keeping this godless lunatic, this loose cannon away from

2061
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:39,359
doing yet more damage to Seawn Michaels. And then we

2062
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:42,199
see Michaels finally placed on the structure.

2063
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 3: In this case, the.

2064
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 16: Friendship between Diesel and Shawn Michaels meaning a great deal

2065
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:54,479
more than the WWF championship. Michael's had the wonder of

2066
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:01,960
this juncture, whether or not his career was over. Diesel

2067
01:47:02,039 --> 01:47:05,000
had to wonder whether or not his path whatever cross

2068
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:07,079
that of psycho shit.

2069
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 8: Sounds like the seeds are planted for his first program.

2070
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:13,199
Speaker 3: Just a couple couple of seeds there.

2071
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,319
Speaker 8: So if you're worried that Diesel's not over is the

2072
01:47:15,399 --> 01:47:17,760
face and that Shawn's eclipsing him as the face, what

2073
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:21,760
do you do? You have Diesel save Sean from a beatdown.

2074
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 3: Well, there we go exactly and now they are, they're friends,

2075
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,680
and they're better than before.

2076
01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,159
Speaker 8: So anybody inclined to cheer Sean over Diesel, we'll have

2077
01:47:29,239 --> 01:47:31,039
to cheer Diesel because he saved their man.

2078
01:47:33,279 --> 01:47:37,079
Speaker 3: You see, I fixed it, Yes he did. I fixed everything. Indeed,

2079
01:47:37,079 --> 01:47:37,800
he did him the hero.

2080
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 8: So chure me you don't recall that hiccup where on

2081
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:44,880
night one they had to go to a break in

2082
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:45,399
the middle of it.

2083
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,680
Speaker 3: I can tell you I do know that I missed

2084
01:47:49,159 --> 01:47:49,840
that show.

2085
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 8: I do remember. I do remember the sudden rush of

2086
01:47:54,079 --> 01:47:56,479
Sean's out in like the mystery and feeling like they

2087
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,359
played it that way on purpose. But I really don't

2088
01:47:59,359 --> 01:48:01,159
think they did that way. But they were in a rush.

2089
01:48:01,239 --> 01:48:03,159
It looked like to me because you can hear like

2090
01:48:03,239 --> 01:48:04,800
Vince is telling him we need to go to a break.

2091
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,680
You can hear Cornett saying it over the airwaves, bracing

2092
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,479
the audience for it. It didn't seem like it was

2093
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:15,600
something a welcome in position, and so you can't even

2094
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,600
hear in that an original clip Whereean introduced Sid on

2095
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:20,399
the comeback, where Vince is like, oh, the suspense is building,

2096
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:23,039
almost like, come on, Pally, make the fucking announcement.

2097
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:23,319
Speaker 3: You know.

2098
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:27,520
Speaker 8: It's taking a while. Sid one of the money quotes

2099
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,279
there in that interview before he attacked Sean, you don't

2100
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:36,279
give me the night off, so sit trust me, Sid

2101
01:48:36,359 --> 01:48:38,600
will take the night off, but you will not give

2102
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:39,039
it to him.

2103
01:48:39,159 --> 01:48:42,039
Speaker 3: You will give me the night off. I take the

2104
01:48:42,199 --> 01:48:46,840
night off. I give you the night off, ik for

2105
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:47,560
you the night.

2106
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,039
Speaker 8: I give you the night off of being my boss

2107
01:48:51,079 --> 01:48:54,239
because I'm not going to be here to fuck you right.

2108
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:57,520
Speaker 3: Eat my god, what.

2109
01:48:59,159 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 4: Excuse me?

2110
01:49:01,359 --> 01:49:02,079
Speaker 2: People say that.

2111
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:02,520
Speaker 3: You're just.

2112
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 8: I mean, when do you guys feel like in your

2113
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,039
Sid tribute that it just reached like a point where

2114
01:49:16,119 --> 01:49:22,640
it was just like delirium. I think it was when

2115
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:28,399
JP had Sid say, in a fit of rage after

2116
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,000
being told he doesn't get the night off, he takes

2117
01:49:31,039 --> 01:49:37,960
it eat my cunt. I thought that was when we

2118
01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:38,880
lost all control.

2119
01:49:39,279 --> 01:49:40,079
Speaker 3: That's exactly it.

2120
01:49:41,039 --> 01:49:44,039
Speaker 8: And the key ones on the replane that you don't

2121
01:49:44,079 --> 01:49:46,920
get on the first airring is Sid doesn't just brutally

2122
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,279
attack Sean. He cheap shots Sean, and there's dialogue where

2123
01:49:50,319 --> 01:49:53,479
Sid backs off and Sean has a much more forceful like,

2124
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:55,439
you know, I'm cranky, I'm sure, I'm tired, I'm hurt.

2125
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:57,960
I don't need this right now. Sid backs off, Sean

2126
01:49:58,039 --> 01:50:00,760
turns around, he cold cox him. But on the first airing,

2127
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,640
it looks like Sid, like Vince said, just fucking attacked him,

2128
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:07,600
you know, because he's because he's telling him he doesn't

2129
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:09,239
need him anymore. So that was a that was a

2130
01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:11,279
key subtletye to miss, which makes me think that they

2131
01:50:11,359 --> 01:50:14,079
definitely didn't intend on it playing out the way it

2132
01:50:14,119 --> 01:50:16,479
did on week one, but there it is. That's the

2133
01:50:17,279 --> 01:50:19,319
that's the heel turn that sends Sean away for a while,

2134
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,319
and that sets up one of the key programs for

2135
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:23,960
WBF in nineteen ninety five, Diesel versus SID for the

2136
01:50:24,039 --> 01:50:26,640
championship and as we mentioned and headlines the very first

2137
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:28,960
in your house because they introduced the concept in May

2138
01:50:29,039 --> 01:50:32,840
of nineteen ninety five. Of these two houses, it's shut us. Yes,

2139
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:35,760
the concept of this cut rate two hour pay per view,

2140
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,239
and we've covered them in the archives. The matches, let's do.

2141
01:50:39,319 --> 01:50:42,520
Speaker 3: I'll you what we'll do. We'll do a cut rate,

2142
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,159
shortened pay per view and we'll do a for those.

2143
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:47,359
For that first one, we'll do a cut right match.

2144
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:47,880
That's right.

2145
01:50:48,199 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 8: The matches, Boss, are not good. I think Suffice not good.

2146
01:50:51,399 --> 01:50:52,159
Speaker 3: This is not uh.

2147
01:50:53,159 --> 01:50:55,600
Speaker 8: This does not make one bullish on Sid's prospects upon

2148
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:58,439
return of WWF. When he has to match wits and

2149
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,359
styles with Kevin Nash and he's kind of tough, it's awful.

2150
01:51:02,079 --> 01:51:04,399
Well what was awful about it? I feel like I

2151
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:07,279
have I have an idea, but I want to hear

2152
01:51:07,319 --> 01:51:10,159
what you say. I mean it just you know, it's

2153
01:51:10,199 --> 01:51:13,399
one of those matchups that it looks great on paper.

2154
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:17,840
It looks great on paper, it makes sense, but the

2155
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,720
excitement just does not materialize come near.

2156
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:25,560
Speaker 3: Not to forget about having a good match, you know,

2157
01:51:27,279 --> 01:51:31,840
like In my mind, I wanted them to just have

2158
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:36,000
just you know, whenever whenever there was a there was

2159
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:40,279
a time when I was younger where I was like, Okay,

2160
01:51:41,079 --> 01:51:45,840
I need this to be you know, I even though

2161
01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:52,399
I longed for Hull Cogan, I also needed to kind

2162
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:56,800
of have a new, a newer like show that could

2163
01:51:57,239 --> 01:52:00,319
be like a hul Cogan type show, you know, like

2164
01:52:00,399 --> 01:52:06,399
I wanted in a weird way, I wanted Sid and

2165
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:11,960
uh Diesel to be a modern version of Hogan Andre.

2166
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:15,479
So I could watch a current show but have the

2167
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:20,159
same feeling yep as watching an older show, you know.

2168
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:24,279
So I could have the newer uh everything. And I

2169
01:52:24,399 --> 01:52:26,520
always longed for that, Like I always wanted to have

2170
01:52:28,279 --> 01:52:34,800
a match that could resemble something from earlier but not

2171
01:52:35,399 --> 01:52:37,000
but not be that that old show.

2172
01:52:37,159 --> 01:52:39,399
Speaker 8: It's the first vestiges you get as a wrestling fan

2173
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,199
of what keeps you hooked the rest of your life.

2174
01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:43,880
This like this, like that's what I'm looking for. That's

2175
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,920
the feeling I'll plug into. Yeah, that's what got me hooked,

2176
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:48,800
And you just spend the rest of your fucking life

2177
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:52,960
trying to get that back in a sustainable way. You know,

2178
01:52:53,039 --> 01:52:55,079
You'll get bits and pieces. You'll get teases to keep

2179
01:52:55,079 --> 01:52:58,319
you around, of course, but yeah, I mean once Diesel

2180
01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:00,720
and Sid get in the ring, you're like, wait a minute, No,

2181
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,600
this is not as this does not feel anywhere near

2182
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,479
as epicas as I led myself to believe.

2183
01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 3: It is not good.

2184
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:12,560
Speaker 8: And we've heard, you know, Kevin Nash speak on Sid's return.

2185
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,840
We've heard Vince on Commentaries speak on Sid's return. We've

2186
01:53:16,199 --> 01:53:21,520
we've heard Shawn Michaels and Bruce Pritchard speak about sids return.

2187
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,600
How about Sid himself, Oh boy, this is how he

2188
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,119
remembers finding his way back into the More Wrestling Federation,

2189
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:31,079
as we just heard on the podcast interview he did

2190
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:31,800
with Sean Mooney.

2191
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:37,640
Speaker 10: No one. I'd left Vince on bad terms, but I

2192
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:41,479
still believed in myself enough that Vince needed someone like

2193
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:42,479
me and he would, you.

2194
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 3: Know, use me now.

2195
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:47,039
Speaker 10: Reluctantly he did. He called me in I was working

2196
01:53:47,079 --> 01:53:51,079
for Memphis and he had me flying to the office

2197
01:53:51,079 --> 01:53:53,640
here in Stanford. He told me exactly what he wanted

2198
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:55,800
me to do, and I told him exactly what I

2199
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:57,560
had to have to do it. And that's how we've

2200
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:01,800
come to terms, you know. So that's how I came

2201
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,039
back at Psycho said, of course we know the reason

2202
01:54:04,079 --> 01:54:09,119
they called me Psycho sid righty are you laughing, Sean?

2203
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,079
Speaker 3: Uh huh? Wow? Did you just laugh?

2204
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:12,399
Speaker 12: Sean?

2205
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 3: No, I said, I love this story. Another story is.

2206
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 10: I didn't even know what Psycho said was about, and

2207
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:24,159
even the music, because again, Sean, I don't fucking care.

2208
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,680
So when I come back making Georgia and no shit,

2209
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:30,000
they didn't have maybe one hundred people in the audience

2210
01:54:30,079 --> 01:54:32,920
at night WWF, and I was thinking, what the fuck

2211
01:54:33,079 --> 01:54:36,399
is going on here? You know, now realize why they

2212
01:54:36,439 --> 01:54:38,640
were willing to bring me back. They were on their

2213
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:43,640
fucking ass big time. And then again, people didn't get

2214
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,399
paid for a month at a time. And that's where

2215
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,680
I said, Okay, I got this job. I'll make the

2216
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,680
best of it. I think I made about little was

2217
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,079
three hundred grand that year, not great, but enough to

2218
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:55,600
you know, pay the bills.

2219
01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 3: So is the hall not great? I mean three grand

2220
01:55:00,079 --> 01:55:04,479
for working from fucking what March until November, not.

2221
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,279
Speaker 8: Even wrestling in the ring. At wrestling me right right,

2222
01:55:07,359 --> 01:55:13,439
I'm probably getting a paycheck commensurate with Sean's and Diesels,

2223
01:55:13,439 --> 01:55:16,039
if not exactly the same. But all he thinks about is.

2224
01:55:16,479 --> 01:55:18,279
I had someone tell me I could make five hundred

2225
01:55:18,279 --> 01:55:20,680
thousand in WCW before I left, and I told myself

2226
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:22,479
that's what I was worth. So three hundred and fifty

2227
01:55:22,479 --> 01:55:25,840
thousand is a pay cut, So you know how that goes. Yeah,

2228
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:28,840
but you know he's smart. He knows Vince is going

2229
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:30,159
to have to come back to him, and he knows

2230
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:33,079
it's because he's fucking massive, and he knows how to

2231
01:55:33,159 --> 01:55:37,279
stay massive, even in a regime that's pretending to test

2232
01:55:37,319 --> 01:55:39,840
for steroids, or at least that is testing for steroids,

2233
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:44,560
but is negotiable that there's ways around it, apparently.

2234
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 3: And by the way, I know, I can tell for

2235
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:49,000
a fact that Sean Mooney had no fucking idea what

2236
01:55:49,079 --> 01:55:49,479
that story was.

2237
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 8: Oh, he got terrified, is what happened. He didn't know

2238
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:55,800
if sid was actually mad at him for snickering when

2239
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:57,439
they said, you know why they called me psycho?

2240
01:55:59,279 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2241
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:01,479
Speaker 8: I don't know if that was said jumping into character.

2242
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:04,399
That'd be a little clever. You never hear him ever

2243
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:07,079
do that and shoot interviews like reverting to KFE. But

2244
01:56:07,159 --> 01:56:08,720
in that moment, I was not sure what to make

2245
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:14,079
of that. Actually, I really wasn't. But still that's that's

2246
01:56:14,359 --> 01:56:17,239
that's his recollection of things. And and of course, yes

2247
01:56:17,319 --> 01:56:19,960
he feels underpaid by the end of it, you know

2248
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:20,600
that goes.

2249
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,399
Speaker 3: But he felt underpaid by going on Sean Mooney's podcast.

2250
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,600
Speaker 8: Well there's no telling what kind of deal they worked out.

2251
01:56:29,239 --> 01:56:32,840
But but yeah, so Sid's back and that's that's his

2252
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:36,560
perspective on how and why. And here's some more from Bruce.

2253
01:56:36,640 --> 01:56:39,680
This is Pritchard talking about the genesis of the name

2254
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,239
and the origins of the name and kind of trying

2255
01:56:43,239 --> 01:56:45,960
to remember the chronology of when indeed they decided he

2256
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:47,079
would be the Psycho one.

2257
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,760
Speaker 14: But allegedly upon his return here he tells Vince, I

2258
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:53,439
won't be called Psycho, said, I'll be said vicious, or

2259
01:56:53,439 --> 01:56:55,760
I'll be said but not Psycho said. Now, of course

2260
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:59,359
we know we get there eventually. And when he makes

2261
01:56:59,399 --> 01:57:03,520
a debut on February twentieth, Sean introduces him, ask Sid,

2262
01:57:04,439 --> 01:57:06,960
was there ever discussion that you know of here in

2263
01:57:07,039 --> 01:57:08,520
ninety five of calling him psycho?

2264
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 21: Said, see, I don't remember the psycho Sid came until

2265
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:18,359
after the stuff with Sean, after WrestleMania, when Sid attacked Sean.

2266
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:22,039
The idea Vince didn't like Sid Justice because he felt

2267
01:57:22,119 --> 01:57:23,119
that Sid Justice was.

2268
01:57:23,079 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 3: A babyface name.

2269
01:57:24,279 --> 01:57:26,560
Speaker 2: I agree with that, so that's why we went with

2270
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:27,239
just Sid.

2271
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:31,359
Speaker 21: And the idea behind him being in Shawn's corner was

2272
01:57:31,399 --> 01:57:32,960
he was just bodyguard Sid.

2273
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:34,119
Speaker 3: That was it.

2274
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:38,439
Speaker 21: And the funny thing to me was throughout this whole

2275
01:57:38,479 --> 01:57:43,800
relationship with Sean, it was an very interesting dynamic between

2276
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:47,479
Shawn and Sid because here you got this big monster

2277
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:50,560
Sid and I remember him like doing kind of fixing

2278
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:52,800
Sean's hair when Sean would get the coat on and

2279
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:55,680
fluff his hair out, and then he would help Sean

2280
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:58,760
tie his tie and put him all together. It was

2281
01:57:59,039 --> 01:58:02,960
it just was interesting. Here's this big, nasty looking bastard

2282
01:58:03,079 --> 01:58:06,039
taking care of of Sean. He really looked after him,

2283
01:58:06,079 --> 01:58:09,520
which was it was kind of funny in and of itself,

2284
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:13,479
but they had I mean, they kind of clicked together.

2285
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 3: They really did. Okay, there you go.

2286
01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 8: So the names on the table and you would think,

2287
01:58:21,079 --> 01:58:25,239
you know, here's the thing, we can figure it out.

2288
01:58:25,279 --> 01:58:27,960
We hear the song. We heard the entrance music when

2289
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,279
he came back back for the first time.

2290
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 3: Yes, on that raw.

2291
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,640
Speaker 8: We know where that comes from. Sid as he's proud

2292
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:36,560
to say, is no dummy. He knows the connotations here,

2293
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:41,640
But does he What if Boss Sid never saw Psycho?

2294
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:44,079
Speaker 3: Oh, that's what I would believe.

2295
01:58:44,119 --> 01:58:44,800
Speaker 8: It has no idea.

2296
01:58:45,239 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that was my name that.

2297
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:50,239
Speaker 9: Night, you know this is you know, actually I was

2298
01:58:50,279 --> 01:58:52,960
working for the Miss Territory, you know, trying to make

2299
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:53,960
a big secret out of it.

2300
01:58:54,399 --> 01:58:55,119
Speaker 3: He flew me in.

2301
01:58:55,359 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 9: We were up and doing a show with Zille every

2302
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:00,600
Wednesday night. We do from Louisville and Edsville from Wednesday.

2303
01:59:01,079 --> 01:59:03,760
And during that day I flew into the office and

2304
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:07,079
we sit there and talked about coming in and doing

2305
01:59:07,159 --> 01:59:07,600
some stuff.

2306
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:10,279
Speaker 12: And then so they brought me back and asked me

2307
01:59:10,399 --> 01:59:11,760
to do it, and I said, yeah, I'd.

2308
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:12,199
Speaker 3: Like to come back.

2309
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 9: And so I think it's making Georgia's our first TV.

2310
01:59:16,119 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 17: And I actually walked to the ring and I don't

2311
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,840
even remember them said what they called me, and didn't

2312
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:26,239
remember the music and the lighting, if from understanding, was

2313
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:30,079
like the water in the shower from the girl getting stabbed.

2314
01:59:30,439 --> 01:59:32,279
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. So when I come back to

2315
01:59:32,319 --> 01:59:33,399
the dust room, I'm.

2316
01:59:33,239 --> 01:59:35,439
Speaker 9: The last one and I usually had the last one

2317
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,000
to know that I'm getting ribbed.

2318
01:59:37,279 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 3: And some of the guys. Who wasn't They go, you know,

2319
01:59:40,079 --> 01:59:41,239
what just happened? And whatnother?

2320
01:59:41,319 --> 01:59:43,520
Speaker 9: They said, you just did the shower scene of the

2321
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:46,640
Psycho movie. I went, oh shit, So it was sort

2322
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:48,560
of I didn't pick up on it myself.

2323
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 8: I had no clue, imagine. I mean, also, they didn't

2324
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:54,319
you didn't do the shower scene.

2325
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:57,159
Speaker 3: No, he didn't. You didn't do it.

2326
01:59:57,560 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 8: You didn't stab anybody?

2327
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, yeah, you didn't come out there and like

2328
02:00:00,920 --> 02:00:03,560
fucking open up a shower curtain and stab a naked woman.

2329
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:06,880
All right, Like you didn't do the scene. You just

2330
02:00:07,319 --> 02:00:12,880
they played the music and you know, and you walked out.

2331
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:15,560
I didn't know that the water drops, that's something I

2332
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:17,600
did always wonder why they had kind of those that

2333
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,880
drop spotty. Look, that's very interesting. I never picked up.

2334
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:21,960
Speaker 8: When you said that drops body.

2335
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:25,680
Speaker 3: Look you mean where the lighting? Oh, when he comes out,

2336
02:00:26,119 --> 02:00:28,039
when he comes out, he had that kind of lighting.

2337
02:00:28,319 --> 02:00:28,920
I remember that.

2338
02:00:29,119 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 8: Oh wow. See I didn't. I didn't pick up on

2339
02:00:30,640 --> 02:00:30,960
that at all.

2340
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,279
Speaker 3: I never really picked up on it, being you know,

2341
02:00:33,399 --> 02:00:35,479
I guess I never really picked it up. I mean,

2342
02:00:36,079 --> 02:00:40,399
I obviously knew that the music at that point, but

2343
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:42,479
I didn't really like pick up. It was like a

2344
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,720
direct I thought it was more like a flavor as

2345
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:49,880
opposed to like, I don't know what they were implying

2346
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:51,640
right right.

2347
02:00:52,800 --> 02:01:17,399
Speaker 27: The Lapstan Wrestling podcast. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast

2348
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:18,479
with Jack And.

2349
02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:23,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that. That's an even stronger signal. I didn't

2350
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:24,960
even think about that. I only thought about the music.

2351
02:01:25,039 --> 02:01:28,359
But the fact that they try to replicate a steamy shower.

2352
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:30,640
Speaker 3: Well, like, yeah, it's like water drops, like you know,

2353
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:32,199
I remember, I do remember that, Like it was like

2354
02:01:32,279 --> 02:01:34,199
blue he had like blue spots or something like that.

2355
02:01:34,439 --> 02:01:38,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, right, as lighting. But he didn't know there's nother movie.

2356
02:01:38,119 --> 02:01:42,680
Here's no fucking, no fucking ship. Tremendous, so tremendous. That's said,

2357
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,960
like you can just like you can sneak in whatever

2358
02:01:46,039 --> 02:01:48,199
characterizations you want as long as the checks are coming,

2359
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:49,479
He's not gonna notice, you know.

2360
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the checks are coming in the vienna to getting

2361
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:52,319
to the church.

2362
02:01:54,359 --> 02:01:56,119
Speaker 8: Well he's back now and he's in the line of

2363
02:01:56,199 --> 02:02:00,000
fire Boss. According to the pages of w WF magazine,

2364
02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:03,720
we've been using the Big two magazine coverage of Sid

2365
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,640
is kind of like signposts for his evolution as a

2366
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:09,159
character and to get a flavor of how he was presented.

2367
02:02:09,239 --> 02:02:12,079
We of course hit you with some great vintage WWF

2368
02:02:12,159 --> 02:02:15,119
magazine clippings last time in terms of how we were

2369
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:18,520
introduced to Sid Justice as avid readers of the Company magazine.

2370
02:02:19,359 --> 02:02:21,039
And now that he's back, it's time that he sits

2371
02:02:21,079 --> 02:02:24,039
with Vic Venom aka Vince Russo for an in depth

2372
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:26,359
Q and A and apparently a photo shoot at the

2373
02:02:26,479 --> 02:02:27,760
Cheers Bar in Boston.

2374
02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 3: I do not know. That's fucking weird.

2375
02:02:30,119 --> 02:02:31,760
Speaker 8: Maybe they were just coming back from the in High

2376
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:32,239
Gear tour.

2377
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:35,399
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe this was the maybe this was right

2378
02:02:35,479 --> 02:02:38,680
after maybe they maybe they were doing this the same

2379
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,399
day they were doing you know, they were in Worcester.

2380
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:43,479
Maybe they said maybe was.

2381
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,920
Speaker 8: Like, why don't I go to Boston right with Sid

2382
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:52,560
and we'll take pictures. Well, Boss, I would really appreciate

2383
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:56,720
it if you could serenade us with this uh probing

2384
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:59,680
look into Sid psyche and I'll be providing the voice

2385
02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:00,840
of the or when we get there.

2386
02:03:01,159 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 3: All right, Yes, I was gonna say, I need you

2387
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:07,479
to be uh to be Russo before the patrons of

2388
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:10,560
the bar even had the chance to say, Norm, brother,

2389
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:14,439
what Norm?

2390
02:03:14,479 --> 02:03:18,800
Speaker 8: And the lunatic dude where what in norm do you like?

2391
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:20,479
Speaker 3: What do you am?

2392
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:23,000
Speaker 8: I outside the norm? Or's he inside?

2393
02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:34,840
Speaker 3: Wait? Who? Well Hogan? What? Who said what? Before the

2394
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:37,079
patrons of the bar even had the chance to say norm,

2395
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:40,039
the good people of the Bull and Finch bub a

2396
02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:44,680
Ka cheers had already felt the presence of the curly locked,

2397
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:47,840
blonde haired, twisted looking stranger.

2398
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 8: You know, if I describe, if I described Sid, yes,

2399
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:59,000
I would say he's a curly locked, blonde haired, twisted

2400
02:03:59,039 --> 02:03:59,920
looking stranger.

2401
02:04:00,319 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's about right. All the way from Arkansas to

2402
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:10,159
visit their friendly establishment in Boston, Massachusetts, everybody knew his name,

2403
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:14,520
apparently not if he's a stranger. Just yeah, No, it

2404
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:18,680
wasn't Sam WOODI or Cliff, nor was it Carla, Diane

2405
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:20,319
or miss.

2406
02:04:22,079 --> 02:04:25,000
Speaker 8: This is huge, I don't know, I don't know who

2407
02:04:25,039 --> 02:04:28,640
that is? Oh, miss Howe is how okay? This is

2408
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:32,319
Russo demonstrating that he watches television here.

2409
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the name, ladies and gentlemen, was just Plane

2410
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:37,359
Sid or if you.

2411
02:04:37,399 --> 02:04:40,800
Speaker 8: Prefer Psycho, damn there it is in black and white.

2412
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,680
Speaker 3: And also they put the P before like it would

2413
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:45,600
end up just becoming the S right because they can

2414
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:48,680
do trademark that right, and they can do you know,

2415
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:51,439
stupid like alliteration with it.

2416
02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:56,359
Speaker 8: Is the August nineteen ninety folks, Sid sucks, perhaps right, Yeah,

2417
02:04:56,439 --> 02:04:59,319
that's right, they could do the S's August ninety five

2418
02:04:59,359 --> 02:04:59,960
issue by the way.

2419
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:04,079
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so well, after in high gear on

2420
02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:08,039
this drizzling, gray, overcast Saturday, Sid decided that he wanted

2421
02:05:08,039 --> 02:05:11,520
to visit the landmark that had inspired the legendary sitcom Cheers.

2422
02:05:12,119 --> 02:05:16,880
Getting this inside information from the trusty informer, I immediately

2423
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:19,720
hopped into my car and headed to eighty four Beacon Street,

2424
02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:23,960
downtown Beantown. Guess what. Once I reached my destination, it

2425
02:05:24,039 --> 02:05:26,640
didn't take me too long to find him. Within the

2426
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:29,760
first five minutes that I had set my sights on him,

2427
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:33,760
eye witnessed Sid scare the Bejesus out of two innocent

2428
02:05:34,119 --> 02:05:39,239
looking children who were merely seeking his autograph, physically lift

2429
02:05:39,399 --> 02:05:45,439
two young men use me off the sideck simultaneously buy

2430
02:05:45,560 --> 02:05:50,880
their throats. Where's the Boston PD for this shit for

2431
02:05:51,039 --> 02:05:54,239
simply looking at him? Beat up a family sedan because

2432
02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:58,680
a poor unknowing housewife had the gall to ask him

2433
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:02,159
to please get off it so she could pull out brother.

2434
02:06:02,359 --> 02:06:04,840
Speaker 8: What get off it, so we could pull out, get off,

2435
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:07,560
to pull out to what SID doesn't get off?

2436
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:08,119
Speaker 3: I pull out.

2437
02:06:08,199 --> 02:06:11,159
Speaker 8: SID doesn't know anything about pulling out of a show.

2438
02:06:13,159 --> 02:06:15,439
Speaker 3: Well, I don't you mean? I mean I have to

2439
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:17,199
pull in with Terry. I forgot.

2440
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:19,600
Speaker 8: It's nothing to do with you. This is an article

2441
02:06:19,600 --> 02:06:21,800
about Sid. Why are you reading it as if it's

2442
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:23,359
like veiled shots at you.

2443
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:27,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'm I'm not reading. I don't have them. I

2444
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:30,079
don't I don't read the magazine, dude, I just heard things.

2445
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:32,520
Speaker 8: Who's this Linda Kelly brother that edits the magazine?

2446
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:36,520
Speaker 3: Who's Who's who's the lady in the back brother watching it?

2447
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:40,199
Speaker 8: Well, Terry, Terry, I'm sorry this is a ca FA deal.

2448
02:06:40,279 --> 02:06:42,960
But with Linda Kelly, that's Linda McMahon. Linda is the person.

2449
02:06:43,039 --> 02:06:50,119
What what do you mean Linda McMahon, dude, she's the editor.

2450
02:06:50,199 --> 02:06:54,680
She who Anything you've seen in that magazine is crossed

2451
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:59,319
her eyes, and she's approved it, and she's she's improved.

2452
02:06:59,479 --> 02:07:00,960
She's in fame favor of what.

2453
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 3: Do you favor? Favor with the Lynda McMann brother. I

2454
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:08,760
didn't know who this Linda Kelly really.

2455
02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:10,640
Speaker 8: Is, dude, it's Lynda McMahon. I know it might be

2456
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:12,359
that you're going.

2457
02:07:12,279 --> 02:07:14,000
Speaker 3: To tell me that Lina McMahon is going on there

2458
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:17,359
on a k fabe name, dude, bullshit brother.

2459
02:07:19,399 --> 02:07:21,319
Speaker 8: I know who's work work dude.

2460
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:29,199
Speaker 3: I know for a fat brother that it's you know, well,

2461
02:07:29,239 --> 02:07:32,319
I can't tell you the otherwise, fucking burst my bubble.

2462
02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:34,960
Speaker 8: What's the next move?

2463
02:07:35,079 --> 02:07:43,319
Speaker 3: Terry big bootleg drop? That was the next movie?

2464
02:07:43,319 --> 02:07:43,479
Speaker 10: Why?

2465
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:43,920
Speaker 8: Of course?

2466
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 3: And Las but not Lee snapped the umbrella of an

2467
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:52,079
excited tourist to have the quote audacity to ask him

2468
02:07:52,119 --> 02:07:54,640
if he could take just his picture? Could just take

2469
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:55,199
his picture?

2470
02:07:55,239 --> 02:07:58,640
Speaker 8: I have three guys in this picture here watching with

2471
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:01,079
the muse looks on their face while Sid pretends to

2472
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:01,960
snap their umbrella.

2473
02:08:02,119 --> 02:08:04,119
Speaker 3: He's like fucking holding it like you know, as if

2474
02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:07,560
he's you know, there's no sense of violence going on,

2475
02:08:07,800 --> 02:08:11,279
like it's you can tell he pose for that picture.

2476
02:08:11,359 --> 02:08:14,600
Speaker 8: Yes, the knee is standing there stiff waiting for them

2477
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:16,640
to snap the picture of him pretending to snap the

2478
02:08:16,760 --> 02:08:19,079
umbrella over his knee like Bo Jackson does a baseball bat.

2479
02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:23,359
And then they have him yanking on a fucking when

2480
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:24,279
windshield wipe.

2481
02:08:24,439 --> 02:08:27,479
Speaker 3: I know with this woman screaming in.

2482
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:31,039
Speaker 8: The background so bizarre. And next he's gonna find a

2483
02:08:31,039 --> 02:08:31,800
squeegee in there.

2484
02:08:32,319 --> 02:08:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, brother, you think this job is fun? I had

2485
02:08:37,319 --> 02:08:41,920
to interview this maniac brother editor.

2486
02:08:42,319 --> 02:08:44,399
Speaker 8: Then you can see the back of Vincruzzo's head there.

2487
02:08:45,319 --> 02:08:49,319
Speaker 3: Fucking vest And what an idiot, what a fucking moron

2488
02:08:49,399 --> 02:08:51,359
he is, the way he dresses.

2489
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:56,199
Speaker 8: Remember walking by Cheers when we went to that side

2490
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:57,039
of campus.

2491
02:08:57,119 --> 02:08:59,479
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, they fucking I went there a couple

2492
02:08:59,479 --> 02:09:03,520
of times too. I think the burg absolutely had a

2493
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:08,399
burger sat down there, you know, and was thoroughly disappointed

2494
02:09:08,439 --> 02:09:11,760
that it did not look like Cheers until I went

2495
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:13,840
to the Faniel Hall one, which did look like Cheers.

2496
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:19,000
Speaker 8: Said, YO, said, do you mind if I get a

2497
02:09:19,039 --> 02:09:20,319
word with you for the magazine?

2498
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:24,520
Speaker 3: The magazine you call that part trash?

2499
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:31,399
Speaker 19: A magazine, that ridiculous mass of saper paper that had

2500
02:09:31,479 --> 02:09:34,840
that pathetic good Samaritan on the cover, safe in his

2501
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:41,880
broken buddy, that glossy pilot that red sid snaps as

2502
02:09:42,119 --> 02:09:43,239
friends reunite.

2503
02:09:44,319 --> 02:09:46,760
Speaker 3: Is it the magazine you're talking about, miss.

2504
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:50,960
Speaker 8: Treasurer swallowing, swallowing very hard. Uh yeah, that's the one.

2505
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:53,880
Speaker 3: I mean, Well, let me tell you something, you pathetic

2506
02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:59,399
human being I rid your stinking story and that piece

2507
02:09:59,479 --> 02:10:00,000
of garbe.

2508
02:10:00,039 --> 02:10:01,159
Speaker 8: It was all wrong.

2509
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:08,720
Speaker 3: You call yourself a journalist, You nothing but a low down, dirty,

2510
02:10:08,840 --> 02:10:12,199
stinking liar. You are no truth.

2511
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:14,680
Speaker 8: Well, yes, I shut up.

2512
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:22,479
Speaker 3: Well it speaks you magine. Sean called me, he wanted me.

2513
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:28,880
I was never his bodyguard. The understanding was that we

2514
02:10:29,479 --> 02:10:33,960
were supposed to watch each other's back. The problem began

2515
02:10:35,239 --> 02:10:39,960
due to Sean being so wrapped up in himself. Sean

2516
02:10:40,039 --> 02:10:43,760
knew right away that the people only believed in me

2517
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:49,000
and not him. That set off as ego. Sean knows

2518
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:52,880
why that he's not me. It's never gonna be me.

2519
02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:57,159
It will never be me, and it will never be

2520
02:10:57,279 --> 02:11:01,319
able to do the things that I do. That's why

2521
02:11:01,399 --> 02:11:04,680
he was trying to hog the spotlight by giving me

2522
02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:05,439
the night off.

2523
02:11:06,439 --> 02:11:07,840
Speaker 5: Nobody gives me the night off.

2524
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:13,600
Speaker 8: Yes, nobody repeat it, say what it read what it says, boss,

2525
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:15,079
go ahead.

2526
02:11:15,199 --> 02:11:16,920
Speaker 5: Nobody gives me anything.

2527
02:11:20,199 --> 02:11:25,479
Speaker 8: I mean, chef's kiss, chef's kiss, I mean, that's just sad. Really,

2528
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:30,319
nobody gives me anything. The sid story, that's right, but

2529
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:32,039
he was paying your salary.

2530
02:11:32,439 --> 02:11:38,760
Speaker 3: Wait, Rod, there you pencil, push and puke. Nobody pays

2531
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:43,159
me that's not what I heard. That's not what I

2532
02:11:43,319 --> 02:11:43,920
heard said.

2533
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:44,760
Speaker 5: That's the problem.

2534
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,760
Speaker 3: Nobody pays me what I deserve. Seaw Michael doesn't have

2535
02:11:49,880 --> 02:11:52,800
enough money to pay me. I've made more money in

2536
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:57,960
one night than Sean made in a whole year. This

2537
02:11:58,199 --> 02:12:01,000
business is all about how much much money you're able

2538
02:12:01,039 --> 02:12:03,920
to bring in. Okay, so fucking now, he's fucking uh,

2539
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:05,920
he's fucking exposing, he.

2540
02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:12,079
Speaker 8: Said, quickly, just quickly. If nobody pays you, then how

2541
02:12:12,119 --> 02:12:14,199
do you make more money in one night than Sean does?

2542
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:17,079
Speaker 3: If nobody pays you, then why are you here?

2543
02:12:19,239 --> 02:12:21,439
Speaker 8: Nobody pays you, How do you, I don't know, make money?

2544
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah right? If nobody pays you, then you know, how

2545
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:25,159
do you buy food?

2546
02:12:25,279 --> 02:12:25,920
Speaker 8: Sound poor to me?

2547
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:31,960
Speaker 3: Pally? How many people you can put this is fucking fucked,

2548
02:12:32,039 --> 02:12:35,039
fucking breaking k favier. This business is all about how

2549
02:12:35,159 --> 02:12:38,640
much money you're able to bring in, how many people

2550
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:42,079
you can put in the seats. Now that Shawn Michaels,

2551
02:12:42,399 --> 02:12:46,000
the Little Diesel has ever sold out a building in

2552
02:12:46,119 --> 02:12:47,079
their lives.

2553
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:52,119
Speaker 8: Oh ship in the company magazine, it's definitely russo trying

2554
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:57,279
to slip one in, you know, yeah right, I'm then

2555
02:12:57,359 --> 02:12:59,159
so I didn't take a look at this month's magazine.

2556
02:12:59,159 --> 02:13:00,840
But I just just crossed my desk. I didn't get

2557
02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:02,600
a look at it for a winter publication. We'll talk

2558
02:13:02,640 --> 02:13:04,399
about what you're trying to get across here, this idea

2559
02:13:04,439 --> 02:13:05,880
that we're not drawing with our champion.

2560
02:13:06,199 --> 02:13:09,600
Speaker 3: I mean, and you know, I don't mind. I understand

2561
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:12,960
that you're trying to write an entertaining feature about sid

2562
02:13:13,079 --> 02:13:15,159
for the for the magazine. But what I don't understand

2563
02:13:15,239 --> 02:13:17,720
is why you're trying to expose the business and why

2564
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:21,279
you're trying to insinuate that that we're not always selling

2565
02:13:21,359 --> 02:13:21,880
out houses.

2566
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:24,319
Speaker 8: Let me ask you a question, Vince, have you ever

2567
02:13:24,399 --> 02:13:25,079
sold out a house?

2568
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:28,760
Speaker 3: Let me you know, let me ask you something. Do

2569
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:30,039
you sell houses?

2570
02:13:32,279 --> 02:13:34,359
Speaker 8: Because I've got a pay per view coming up called

2571
02:13:34,399 --> 02:13:40,239
in your House, and we need a house to effectuate

2572
02:13:40,319 --> 02:13:41,119
this transaction.

2573
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:44,119
Speaker 3: We didn't do it hard, all right, because I can't

2574
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:47,600
sell a house. I don't have the training.

2575
02:13:47,960 --> 02:13:51,359
Speaker 8: Ye can you sell in your house? That doesn't doesn't

2576
02:13:51,399 --> 02:13:52,640
seem like a clear answer either.

2577
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:56,439
Speaker 3: I just don't understand where are we going.

2578
02:13:57,359 --> 02:14:00,399
Speaker 8: This is before the raw magazine. I put it on

2579
02:14:00,479 --> 02:14:03,319
his desk, I said, Vince, this is where we're going.

2580
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:06,439
Two weeks later, I'm in a creative meeting and he

2581
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:10,000
holds up the magazine and he says, this, guys, is

2582
02:14:10,119 --> 02:14:11,239
where where headed?

2583
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:14,520
Speaker 3: And I don't even know where that is? Where am I?

2584
02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:18,800
Who's headed? Where? What? Where am I?

2585
02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:19,880
Speaker 8: Who's headed?

2586
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:20,239
Speaker 2: Where?

2587
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:20,920
Speaker 6: What?

2588
02:14:22,119 --> 02:14:28,560
Speaker 8: There's a lot happening there. Yes, not a good sign

2589
02:14:29,159 --> 02:14:31,439
in ninety five, especially if five.

2590
02:14:31,319 --> 02:14:33,359
Speaker 3: No, not a good sign at all. I just want

2591
02:14:33,439 --> 02:14:38,760
to I just want to do well by my you know,

2592
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:40,720
with my things.

2593
02:14:46,079 --> 02:14:50,159
Speaker 8: Enough. Quotes from the cutscenes from the Netflix.

2594
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:55,039
Speaker 3: Do you remember wrestlingy eight over sixty thousand people at

2595
02:14:55,079 --> 02:14:57,920
the Who's your dome? Who was in the main event?

2596
02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:00,680
Word may wordman?

2597
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:01,880
Speaker 8: He says, like it's an insult.

2598
02:15:01,960 --> 02:15:04,880
Speaker 5: Who's in the main event? Wordman? Who?

2599
02:15:06,319 --> 02:15:07,960
Speaker 3: That's the difference between me and them?

2600
02:15:08,319 --> 02:15:10,880
Speaker 8: Still said, has given you the night off? Doesn't in

2601
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:16,119
any way justify you're almost ending the guy's career a career.

2602
02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:20,560
Speaker 3: You called that a career. I call it a Traves team.

2603
02:15:21,039 --> 02:15:25,159
That they even let a joker in a wrestling ring.

2604
02:15:26,399 --> 02:15:30,239
It was a slap in the face. Seaan Michaels is

2605
02:15:30,399 --> 02:15:34,119
not my equal. He's never gonna be a world wrestling

2606
02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:36,079
Entertainment champion I am.

2607
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:40,039
Speaker 5: He was the one who got him my face.

2608
02:15:41,319 --> 02:15:43,760
Speaker 3: He was the one who poked me in the chest.

2609
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:46,960
He was the one who called me.

2610
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:51,199
Speaker 8: Boy, but said you jumped him when his back was turned.

2611
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:55,920
Speaker 3: His back was turned, Well, you kidding me? This business

2612
02:15:56,199 --> 02:16:00,479
isn't all about shaking hands, hugging necks and being friends.

2613
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:04,840
If you're stupid enough to get in my face, put

2614
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:08,119
your hands on me, and then turn your back on me,

2615
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:12,399
then you're stupid enough to get beat up like Sean

2616
02:16:12,479 --> 02:16:13,159
beat up.

2617
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:18,600
Speaker 8: There are those who say your outlandish actions on Monday

2618
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:23,760
Night Raw were attributed to one reason, and one reason only, jealousy.

2619
02:16:24,399 --> 02:16:25,279
What do you say to that?

2620
02:16:27,039 --> 02:16:29,640
Speaker 5: You're right, it's jealousy.

2621
02:16:30,319 --> 02:16:35,319
Speaker 3: Of me trigger the whole thing. It started off at

2622
02:16:35,360 --> 02:16:40,280
wrestlemany eleven, when Sean and Diesel were out there resting

2623
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:45,959
their guts out and the people were chin what they

2624
02:16:46,079 --> 02:16:52,520
were chanting Sid. That's where the jealousy started right then.

2625
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:59,200
Speaker 8: And there is Diesel jealous of Sid, no isy jealous.

2626
02:16:59,600 --> 02:17:05,239
Speaker 3: But he's also very sappy. One minute shown her worst enemies,

2627
02:17:05,559 --> 02:17:09,559
the next minute their best buddies. You know what, In

2628
02:17:09,680 --> 02:17:13,600
a way, I think it's kind of cute. Seems a

2629
02:17:13,719 --> 02:17:19,639
Diesel is the true hero these days. First shown then

2630
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:24,879
Bam Bam, then Razor Ramon. You know why Diesel's been

2631
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:31,200
doing those pathetic good deeds because he has sickness, and

2632
02:17:31,319 --> 02:17:34,280
that sickness is to hear the cheers of the people.

2633
02:17:35,799 --> 02:17:38,440
You know, it'd be too easy for me to get

2634
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:42,959
in that ring with Diesel and kick him all over it. Now,

2635
02:17:43,079 --> 02:17:48,200
my plan is to mentally torture him. He knows all

2636
02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:51,920
about the power that I possess, that I know that

2637
02:17:52,079 --> 02:17:56,559
I'm always and he knows I'm always near. That scares

2638
02:17:56,639 --> 02:18:01,760
him to death, his worst enemy and his time and

2639
02:18:02,040 --> 02:18:05,959
fear he has to think about me for not just

2640
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:10,559
a day, but for the rest of his life. I'm

2641
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:14,520
gonna wear him down mentally to the point of making

2642
02:18:14,600 --> 02:18:15,120
him crazy.

2643
02:18:15,440 --> 02:18:18,120
Speaker 8: Speaking off crazy, how do you feel about the fans

2644
02:18:18,239 --> 02:18:19,360
calling you psycho?

2645
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:22,639
Speaker 3: You know what bothers me a little bit because I

2646
02:18:22,760 --> 02:18:27,879
don't know why they're calling me psycho. Maybe it's because

2647
02:18:28,159 --> 02:18:29,200
of the split part.

2648
02:18:30,079 --> 02:18:31,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, that will do it.

2649
02:18:36,479 --> 02:18:38,959
Speaker 3: Maybe because of the split personality I have.

2650
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:40,600
Speaker 26: I don't know.

2651
02:18:41,959 --> 02:18:44,200
Speaker 3: The bottom line is that people come up with their

2652
02:18:44,239 --> 02:18:47,280
own ideas before they do any research.

2653
02:18:48,719 --> 02:18:54,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, fucking stupid quote.

2654
02:18:56,600 --> 02:18:59,920
Speaker 5: That's why I hate people like you and the media

2655
02:19:00,159 --> 02:19:00,639
so much.

2656
02:19:01,479 --> 02:19:03,959
Speaker 3: You're not smart enough to see the truth. But you

2657
02:19:04,159 --> 02:19:09,520
know what, every little knock in this world is a boost.

2658
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:11,000
It's all taken.

2659
02:19:15,319 --> 02:19:18,879
Speaker 8: Well, if I'm not smart enough to see the truth,

2660
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:22,200
then you tell me exactly what the real truth is.

2661
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:26,440
Tell me about the real relationship between Sid and his

2662
02:19:26,559 --> 02:19:29,120
new boss, the million dollar man, Teddy Biassi.

2663
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:31,280
Speaker 3: You know, for being the enter of a magazine. I

2664
02:19:31,399 --> 02:19:36,040
can't believe how stupid you are, how many times you

2665
02:19:36,159 --> 02:19:41,079
have to tell you nobody is Sid's boss, nobody pay

2666
02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:41,959
Sid salary.

2667
02:19:42,079 --> 02:19:46,760
Speaker 8: Nobody pays Sid salary. Well, that's a problem, isn't it, Joe.

2668
02:19:47,799 --> 02:19:51,479
Speaker 19: Nobody's gonna tell Sid what to do or how to eat,

2669
02:19:51,799 --> 02:19:54,399
or how to work, or how to dress, or which

2670
02:19:54,520 --> 02:19:56,840
guys to wrestle or when to wrestle them.

2671
02:19:58,559 --> 02:19:59,959
Speaker 3: Well, that's a whole bad Yeah.

2672
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:03,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you don't sound particularly employable as a pro wrestler.

2673
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:07,399
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do what Sid wants to do.

2674
02:20:07,719 --> 02:20:10,760
Speaker 8: If you're your own man, as you claim, then why

2675
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:13,760
did you join the million dollar corporation in the first place.

2676
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:17,600
Speaker 3: In the wild, we all have an instinct to survive.

2677
02:20:18,719 --> 02:20:21,319
When I was looking for a certain something from the outside.

2678
02:20:22,479 --> 02:20:26,200
I decide who I wanted to be with and why

2679
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:30,280
I wanted to be with them. I'm not the alpha

2680
02:20:30,440 --> 02:20:33,799
wolf and a pack of wolves. But I can't always

2681
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:37,879
do everything by myself because I'm always gonna be outnumbered,

2682
02:20:39,079 --> 02:20:41,680
just like what happened with Sid and Sean or Sean

2683
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:44,959
and Diesel when they teamed up on me. But now

2684
02:20:45,360 --> 02:20:48,000
I have the best in the world backing me up.

2685
02:20:48,440 --> 02:20:54,600
It's a corporation. We're a pack. We run together. Nonetheless,

2686
02:20:54,719 --> 02:20:58,360
I'm still the alpha, and I'm always gonna eat first,

2687
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:04,920
and I'm gonna was gonna eat first, be paid first,

2688
02:21:05,639 --> 02:21:07,719
be paid the most first.

2689
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:15,479
Speaker 8: I thought nobody paid your salary, be paid the most first.

2690
02:21:15,559 --> 02:21:18,200
This is just I have no doubt in my mind

2691
02:21:18,520 --> 02:21:21,719
that this isn't an exact direct transcription of what he said.

2692
02:21:21,959 --> 02:21:24,040
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I mean, he's just letting them the

2693
02:21:24,159 --> 02:21:26,200
first time I've ever read one of these interviews that

2694
02:21:26,239 --> 02:21:31,319
actually I believe is the person the way.

2695
02:21:31,559 --> 02:21:34,520
Speaker 8: And you know, you got to think of Russo making

2696
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:37,479
mental notes as he goes about these quirks when he

2697
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:40,799
writes for Sid later on in WCW, when he comes

2698
02:21:40,879 --> 02:21:45,040
back around, Oh, absolutely, have you made yourself the alpha,

2699
02:21:45,239 --> 02:21:47,040
or has the corporation labeled you that.

2700
02:21:48,200 --> 02:21:49,879
Speaker 3: I don't want to say that these guys have a

2701
02:21:49,959 --> 02:21:53,239
fear of me, but they know me and they know

2702
02:21:53,399 --> 02:21:57,600
what I can do. They know that if they ever

2703
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:01,280
decided to jump me, eventually the alpha will drag them

2704
02:22:01,319 --> 02:22:07,319
all down one by one. I'm the leader for a reason.

2705
02:22:08,079 --> 02:22:12,000
I'm the leader because I'm bigger, I'm meaner, I'm stronger.

2706
02:22:12,959 --> 02:22:15,799
Speaker 8: The corporation knows that at what point do you become

2707
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:20,079
satisfied in the World Wrestling Federation, satisfied.

2708
02:22:20,959 --> 02:22:25,440
Speaker 3: When two things happen. Number one, when I am the

2709
02:22:25,559 --> 02:22:31,079
world's entertainment champion and number two, when I get the

2710
02:22:31,239 --> 02:22:38,479
proper respect I deserve. In times, I will rule the world.

2711
02:22:40,239 --> 02:22:42,920
Speaker 8: Wow, what a glimpse into the psyche.

2712
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:45,959
Speaker 3: Huh Oh, that's a fucking that's amazing.

2713
02:22:47,159 --> 02:22:52,479
Speaker 8: It's all there. I mean, his piccadillos, his fucking way

2714
02:22:52,559 --> 02:22:57,399
with words, his his fucking nonsense. It is truly remarkable

2715
02:22:57,479 --> 02:23:00,719
how how perfect a character he is for an article

2716
02:23:00,840 --> 02:23:04,079
like that. Yep, and again, Russo would write for SID

2717
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:08,399
not only in WCW, but also during the earliest stages

2718
02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:11,000
of the Attitude era, where Russo would have some responsibility

2719
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:13,319
for backstage promo scripting, not that a whole bunch of

2720
02:23:13,399 --> 02:23:16,120
guys you know, took scripts or anything, but they accepted

2721
02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:18,600
kind of his bullet points and framing. You can't help it, hit,

2722
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:20,399
You can't help but think of the gears turning in

2723
02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:24,360
Russo's head and Money keeps talking about the corporation as well, right, seriously,

2724
02:23:24,760 --> 02:23:28,559
of course the Corporation would be a centerpiece stable theme

2725
02:23:29,479 --> 02:23:34,399
device in Russo's peak WWF writing. And yeah, the Corporation

2726
02:23:34,559 --> 02:23:38,719
was originally Teddybasse's stable of wrestlers. It was kind of

2727
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:41,719
like the Heenan family, right a little bit. Yeah, I

2728
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:44,040
mean it was like any It was like any of

2729
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:47,879
the any stable. Yep, you know, it'd have the same thing,

2730
02:23:48,879 --> 02:23:53,120
same vibe. That's what the mentality was, both in front

2731
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:55,440
of and behind the camera as it regards pairing up

2732
02:23:55,479 --> 02:23:58,399
Sid with the Corporation and really Ted Dibiassi as a

2733
02:23:58,440 --> 02:24:00,639
manager here in the w w F nineteen ninety five.

2734
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:03,760
But you know, all told when it comes to developing

2735
02:24:03,959 --> 02:24:07,879
the and proposing and setting in stone the Sid character

2736
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:12,840
that we just heard in that interview and what we've

2737
02:24:12,879 --> 02:24:15,559
been talking about this far, I think Cornett wraps it

2738
02:24:15,639 --> 02:24:16,159
up pretty well.

2739
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:20,600
Speaker 7: That's why Vince McMahon was so sold on the SID

2740
02:24:20,840 --> 02:24:25,000
multiple times, because he looked so good and Vince knew

2741
02:24:25,159 --> 02:24:29,000
he had just like Donald pleasants in Halloween if he

2742
02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:33,000
could just reach him, you know. But he found out

2743
02:24:33,079 --> 02:24:39,840
that those eyes were soulless. He couldn't keep him under control,

2744
02:24:40,239 --> 02:24:46,680
in from blowing up, from having issues whatever, to fully

2745
02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:51,079
monetize him. And that's the thing they threw from nineteen

2746
02:24:51,479 --> 02:24:57,639
eighty nine through nineteen ninety what eight or nine.

2747
02:24:57,520 --> 02:24:59,719
Speaker 3: With w C A little bit after that, yeah, a

2748
02:24:59,719 --> 02:25:01,120
little are two thousand.

2749
02:25:01,239 --> 02:25:05,079
Speaker 7: They threw money at him. He would he'd quit, leave,

2750
02:25:05,239 --> 02:25:09,680
go home, get the mutual split, whatever the fuck. All

2751
02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:15,159
the incidents get fired for the thing with Arn and

2752
02:25:15,440 --> 02:25:17,079
he'd sit at home for a while, and then the

2753
02:25:17,159 --> 02:25:19,520
other when the heat was off the other side, because

2754
02:25:19,559 --> 02:25:25,200
of there was something there, they would get him and

2755
02:25:25,360 --> 02:25:29,399
then some would happen again. So he could have been

2756
02:25:29,479 --> 02:25:33,040
much bigger and for a longer period of time, because

2757
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:35,120
there were so many breaks in that period of time.

2758
02:25:35,360 --> 02:25:38,399
Speaker 8: So we go forward now that SID is despite all

2759
02:25:38,440 --> 02:25:41,120
the warning signs and despite all the handholding necessary, and

2760
02:25:41,239 --> 02:25:44,360
despite the the need to align them with Teddy biasse

2761
02:25:45,319 --> 02:25:48,680
they go forward and Yeah, the first match that Sid

2762
02:25:48,799 --> 02:25:51,559
has back with WWF upon returning, you heard the February

2763
02:25:52,120 --> 02:25:55,200
Monday Night Ross segments there and the night after WrestleMania.

2764
02:25:55,399 --> 02:25:57,000
But the first time he actually has a match is

2765
02:25:57,079 --> 02:26:00,319
on April fourth, nineteen ninety five and Glenn falls in

2766
02:26:00,319 --> 02:26:02,520
New York where he matches up against the guy they

2767
02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:05,639
sent to Memphis to test him out kick the tires,

2768
02:26:05,719 --> 02:26:09,399
a bed the Undertaker, Wow the future WrestleMania thirteen main event,

2769
02:26:09,440 --> 02:26:11,159
which when the match happened, felt like the first time

2770
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:12,440
the two had clashed, didn't it.

2771
02:26:15,680 --> 02:26:16,719
Speaker 3: I don't even know that they did.

2772
02:26:17,319 --> 02:26:19,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was kind of like, all right, Undertaker, Sid,

2773
02:26:19,319 --> 02:26:22,040
that's you know, say what you will for a WrestleMania

2774
02:26:22,040 --> 02:26:22,360
main event.

2775
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:24,559
Speaker 3: Oh you mean WrestleMania. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that felt like

2776
02:26:24,600 --> 02:26:26,239
the first time that it ever had. Yeah.

2777
02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:28,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, they had never even really been in each other's orbit.

2778
02:26:28,799 --> 02:26:32,000
But come to find out, a big part of getting

2779
02:26:32,040 --> 02:26:34,680
Sid back with WWF was matches with the Undertaker and

2780
02:26:35,319 --> 02:26:37,479
being litmus tests on how ready he was to return.

2781
02:26:38,120 --> 02:26:40,399
But overall has mentioned, Sid viewed the ninety five return

2782
02:26:40,440 --> 02:26:44,719
as a whipping post situation. Basically, you know, being punished

2783
02:26:44,799 --> 02:26:48,760
or being demoted over and over again. He said on

2784
02:26:48,879 --> 02:26:51,799
a shooting interview with Vince in WCW. When I came

2785
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:54,479
back and forth both times, we all know the story,

2786
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:56,680
and me quitting Vince put me in a bind. When

2787
02:26:56,719 --> 02:26:58,000
I went back the next time, I was on the

2788
02:26:58,000 --> 02:26:59,879
whipping post. But this is what again, I credit my

2789
02:27:00,360 --> 02:27:03,239
to this, he says, you know what, I'll be on

2790
02:27:03,319 --> 02:27:04,959
this whipping post for a little bit, but I'm good

2791
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:07,200
enough that they're going to have to use me one day,

2792
02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:10,799
you know, in a position beyond like cutting him down

2793
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:14,360
to size. That's how he saw the run. So yeah,

2794
02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:15,959
I mean that's how I would look at it too, boss.

2795
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:18,520
If I got to come in get involved in the

2796
02:27:18,559 --> 02:27:21,120
main event of WrestleMania eleven without having to do anything

2797
02:27:21,159 --> 02:27:24,280
physically cut a promo, that's the spotlight of the whole angle.

2798
02:27:25,000 --> 02:27:26,959
I would also get to lay out the top name

2799
02:27:27,000 --> 02:27:29,440
in the company the next night on Raw and turn

2800
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:31,360
heel in the biggest angle of the year. Pretty much.

2801
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:34,159
I would then get to headline two consecutive pay per

2802
02:27:34,239 --> 02:27:36,959
views for the WWF Championship in the main event, despite

2803
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:41,120
there being no apparent appetite for it, and be compensated

2804
02:27:41,159 --> 02:27:43,680
to commensurate with that. Yeah, I would consider that the

2805
02:27:43,719 --> 02:27:44,399
whipping post.

2806
02:27:45,079 --> 02:27:46,520
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean, look, he doesn't get to

2807
02:27:46,520 --> 02:27:48,959
do anything at all, right, you know, and he's basically

2808
02:27:49,079 --> 02:27:52,239
just being told what a bitch he is and how

2809
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:53,200
was he going to get fucked with?

2810
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:55,879
Speaker 8: And after a year of beating me down, he once said,

2811
02:27:56,280 --> 02:27:58,680
I believe to r video, they know I had actually

2812
02:27:58,760 --> 02:28:00,799
hurt my neck and I had to have surgery. So

2813
02:28:01,719 --> 02:28:04,079
we're coming to another one of those crossroads for Big Sid.

2814
02:28:04,360 --> 02:28:06,280
I mean, this is around the time they're programming him

2815
02:28:06,360 --> 02:28:09,840
literally against Henry Godwin towards the end of the year,

2816
02:28:10,280 --> 02:28:12,799
so they're really trying to see, you know, what his

2817
02:28:12,959 --> 02:28:15,120
tolerance level is. I have to say, it seems like

2818
02:28:15,159 --> 02:28:17,079
they're they're playing a bit of a game with the men.

2819
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:20,280
We talked about the in your houses, we talked about WrestleMania.

2820
02:28:20,520 --> 02:28:22,399
Do you recall what role he was supposed to have

2821
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:23,799
at SummerSlam nineteen ninety five.

2822
02:28:23,959 --> 02:28:26,000
Speaker 3: He was supposed to face Shawn Michaels.

2823
02:28:26,879 --> 02:28:29,040
Speaker 8: Was it not said in black and white in the

2824
02:28:29,079 --> 02:28:31,239
pages of WWF magazine that it was to be Sean

2825
02:28:31,360 --> 02:28:34,639
versus Sid? I feel like it was sure was. Yeah, yes,

2826
02:28:34,719 --> 02:28:37,440
it was, but as we know, what ends up being

2827
02:28:37,479 --> 02:28:41,840
the Shawn Michaels raising Ramone to ladder match. Yes, and

2828
02:28:42,239 --> 02:28:44,280
we'll get to some perspectives on why that was the

2829
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:47,520
case a little later. But if I was Sid and

2830
02:28:47,639 --> 02:28:49,239
I had it gritted out for me that look, you're

2831
02:28:49,280 --> 02:28:51,920
gonna turn on Sewn, You're gonna work Diesel for the championship,

2832
02:28:51,959 --> 02:28:53,639
and then come SummerSlam you're gonna get to have the

2833
02:28:53,639 --> 02:28:55,440
blowoff match with Sean.

2834
02:28:56,639 --> 02:28:59,680
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny too, because like I remember being

2835
02:28:59,760 --> 02:29:02,920
this pointed too, because I'm like, well, why isn't he

2836
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:05,200
facing Sean? Like why is he facing Razor? I moan again,

2837
02:29:05,399 --> 02:29:09,159
I like, I I was very much into not necessarily

2838
02:29:09,719 --> 02:29:14,600
you know, great matches, but I really it was important

2839
02:29:14,639 --> 02:29:19,600
to me that storylines were resolved and the one that

2840
02:29:19,719 --> 02:29:21,639
needed to be resolved and the one that honestly was

2841
02:29:21,719 --> 02:29:25,479
like the the thing that was I was excited to

2842
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:28,360
see was Sewn and Sid, Like I wanted to see

2843
02:29:28,399 --> 02:29:29,559
that play out and finish.

2844
02:29:30,239 --> 02:29:32,200
Speaker 8: It was really stupid that after what Sid did to him,

2845
02:29:32,239 --> 02:29:35,040
that Sean Michaels came back and just chased the Intercontinental

2846
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:37,239
title instead of went made a bee line for Sid

2847
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:38,159
try to take a set off.

2848
02:29:38,399 --> 02:29:41,399
Speaker 3: They didn't even really pay it off until Survivor series.

2849
02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:45,000
Speaker 8: If you live in here, think of that, right, Seriously,

2850
02:29:45,440 --> 02:29:46,959
they had to go back to it, but it made

2851
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:51,239
no sense that Sean wasn't going right after Sid. Yeah,

2852
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:52,520
it was really sad.

2853
02:29:52,559 --> 02:29:52,680
Speaker 3: It was.

2854
02:29:52,760 --> 02:29:54,079
Speaker 8: It was a power play. It seemed like to me

2855
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:58,040
because there's no other reason that all the promotional gears

2856
02:29:58,079 --> 02:29:59,959
are in motion for that match to happen other than

2857
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,280
and Sean pulls a card and wants to work with

2858
02:30:02,360 --> 02:30:04,879
his buddy instead. Yeah, I wonder if that remark we

2859
02:30:05,000 --> 02:30:07,159
just read from the magazine which is August ninety five,

2860
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:10,360
where Sid says Sean and Diesel can't draw crowds, and

2861
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:13,680
I can. I wonder if that was the thing that

2862
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,639
pissed them off or if it was Yeah, maybe Sid

2863
02:30:16,799 --> 02:30:18,920
maybe being pissed off knowing that they're taking him out

2864
02:30:18,920 --> 02:30:20,680
of the mix for as big time Summer Slam match

2865
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:24,719
and trying to smack at him. Interesting. Yeah, Sean gets

2866
02:30:24,719 --> 02:30:26,760
involved in like the Jeff Jarrett program, the night Jeff

2867
02:30:26,799 --> 02:30:29,239
Jarrett leaves, he wins the Icy Strap in that terrific match,

2868
02:30:29,319 --> 02:30:32,040
and Sean comes back full fledged baby face with no

2869
02:30:32,200 --> 02:30:34,120
interest at all, and he's it's not like he's going

2870
02:30:34,159 --> 02:30:35,840
for the championship. He comes back and he's going for

2871
02:30:35,879 --> 02:30:38,719
the Intercontinental Belt right which to me is just like

2872
02:30:38,760 --> 02:30:40,799
a really cynical way to just come up with a

2873
02:30:40,840 --> 02:30:42,959
reason to do that the second Razor match because he

2874
02:30:42,959 --> 02:30:45,639
doesn't feel like doing the SID match which Sid versus

2875
02:30:45,719 --> 02:30:48,399
Sean for the ICY title at SummerSlam ninety five, that's

2876
02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:51,639
for the IC title. That just makes it bizarre to me.

2877
02:30:52,559 --> 02:30:55,600
Speaker 3: I mean it is, it is definitely, don't get me wrong,

2878
02:30:55,799 --> 02:30:59,000
but still I'm like, that to me, is that's the

2879
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:01,399
match right there, That's what I want to see. Yep.

2880
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:18,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast

2881
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:22,520
that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

2882
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:41,120
He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carno

2883
02:31:41,520 --> 02:31:42,520
and JP Soro.

2884
02:31:42,959 --> 02:31:45,600
Speaker 8: As far as why Diesel for the first comeback program

2885
02:31:45,719 --> 02:31:48,200
for SID, Pritchard said in his podcast, because you had

2886
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:50,200
so much equity in SID and obviously Diesel and Sean,

2887
02:31:50,520 --> 02:31:52,760
and that whole scenario when we were in many respects

2888
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:55,559
booking almost month to month at this point, because you

2889
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:58,399
didn't we had a whole Summer planned, he says, to

2890
02:31:58,479 --> 02:32:01,360
get Sid, to get Sid and Diesel at SummerSlam for

2891
02:32:01,440 --> 02:32:04,000
the first time. So Prichard says, the original plan was

2892
02:32:04,040 --> 02:32:07,239
to finally have Sid and Diesel clash at SummerSlam. Now,

2893
02:32:08,159 --> 02:32:11,319
as we know, Diesel versus Mabel headlining SummerSlam ninety five

2894
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:14,000
hardly seems like a plan a I have to say,

2895
02:32:14,239 --> 02:32:16,680
al f but they did know as far out as

2896
02:32:16,760 --> 02:32:18,799
King of the Ring in June where Mabel one that

2897
02:32:18,879 --> 02:32:20,559
torn it into qualify for the belt, that that was

2898
02:32:20,600 --> 02:32:23,319
the direction. So we have to figure it was between

2899
02:32:23,680 --> 02:32:25,680
post WrestleMania and King of the Ring, So that's just

2900
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:27,680
like a two maybe a month and a half period

2901
02:32:27,719 --> 02:32:30,520
there where they could have switched this up. But again,

2902
02:32:30,559 --> 02:32:32,440
by the time we get closer to SummerSlam, it is

2903
02:32:32,479 --> 02:32:35,319
to be a Sid and Sean. But to hear Bruce

2904
02:32:35,840 --> 02:32:37,840
tell it, that was not to be the plan. From

2905
02:32:37,879 --> 02:32:39,600
the moment Sid turned on Sewan. It wasn't like you

2906
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:42,360
do this and you guys will eventually face off at SummerSlam.

2907
02:32:42,440 --> 02:32:44,760
That apparently was the Nash plan. I don't know if

2908
02:32:44,760 --> 02:32:47,760
they wanted to get to Sid versus Sean before Sid

2909
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:50,159
versus Nash and have Sid run over Sean if so,

2910
02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:53,280
it would make a lot of sense that Sean found

2911
02:32:53,319 --> 02:32:55,719
a way to get that turned around. Yeah, right at

2912
02:32:55,760 --> 02:32:59,639
the last minute, Prichard recalls, as they were talking about

2913
02:32:59,639 --> 02:33:01,760
the mate time frame, Now we're here in May and

2914
02:33:01,799 --> 02:33:03,600
we're doing it in your house. So it was rushed.

2915
02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:06,600
But I think there was a little bit of relief

2916
02:33:06,799 --> 02:33:08,440
that we did it at an in your house and

2917
02:33:08,520 --> 02:33:11,159
not at a summer slam on a bigger platform, because

2918
02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:14,440
they didn't gel. Their styles just clashed and it wasn't

2919
02:33:15,399 --> 02:33:17,920
We're trying to make Diesel that big babyface champion. He says,

2920
02:33:17,959 --> 02:33:19,799
they can slay all comers, and it didn't feel like

2921
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,040
that against another big bastard that looks like he could

2922
02:33:22,040 --> 02:33:24,760
slay all comers. It was just a bad clash. I

2923
02:33:24,799 --> 02:33:27,479
guess that's kind of it. I mean, they got in

2924
02:33:27,520 --> 02:33:30,879
the ring together and it just didn't look like one

2925
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:33,680
could make the other look vulnerable at any given point.

2926
02:33:34,040 --> 02:33:36,479
It's just like two titans just throwing power moves at

2927
02:33:36,479 --> 02:33:38,399
each other, one after the other in succession, and it

2928
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:41,639
was just kind of it was kind of boring. It

2929
02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:44,120
didn't right, I mean, that's right, that's just kind of

2930
02:33:44,239 --> 02:33:44,760
what happened.

2931
02:33:44,799 --> 02:33:47,760
Speaker 3: It just was not. It didn't end up being nearly

2932
02:33:47,799 --> 02:33:49,479
as exciting as you would hope.

2933
02:33:50,639 --> 02:33:52,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, they never really seem to do anything in the

2934
02:33:52,200 --> 02:33:55,319
matches that are like, Okay, this is the design, this

2935
02:33:55,440 --> 02:33:57,319
is where I'm supposed to care, this is where I'm

2936
02:33:57,319 --> 02:33:59,239
supposed to lean in to want one guy to win

2937
02:33:59,319 --> 02:34:00,719
more than the other guy. It was just like, who's

2938
02:34:00,719 --> 02:34:02,760
going to power bomb the other first? Ye kind of

2939
02:34:02,840 --> 02:34:05,239
like the perverse spectacle of whether they could actually get

2940
02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,360
the other guy up without hurting themselves or each other.

2941
02:34:07,719 --> 02:34:09,559
And Nash did get hurt. He busted his elbow in

2942
02:34:09,639 --> 02:34:12,479
that match taking the power bomb, and remember he wanted

2943
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:14,559
a King of the Ring and the horrible tag team

2944
02:34:14,639 --> 02:34:17,520
main event that year with that big ass brace around

2945
02:34:17,559 --> 02:34:20,319
his elbow because he got hurt taking a power bomb

2946
02:34:20,520 --> 02:34:23,920
from Sid. So it was all fucking disastrous, really mess,

2947
02:34:24,239 --> 02:34:28,879
just a mess. So yeah, Pretcher reiterates it eventually was

2948
02:34:28,959 --> 02:34:30,719
we were getting to Sid and Diesel, but we saw

2949
02:34:31,559 --> 02:34:33,799
getting to it with Diesel and Sean. What happened was

2950
02:34:33,799 --> 02:34:36,440
at WRESTLEMANI eleven. That's the infamous Vince coming into the car.

2951
02:34:36,840 --> 02:34:39,399
This is a story that Bruce is told many times

2952
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:43,040
after WrestleMania. Heading into Wrestleman eleven, Vince coming into the

2953
02:34:43,079 --> 02:34:44,920
car with Pat and I and Shane and saying, God,

2954
02:34:45,000 --> 02:34:46,879
damn it. Am I the only one who sees that

2955
02:34:46,959 --> 02:34:49,879
we have a baby face on our hands? And Shaan's

2956
02:34:49,879 --> 02:34:51,440
getting cheered. Boss, you saw it and you heard it.

2957
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:56,159
Speaker 3: God, he's such a goof and we completely reh doesn't

2958
02:34:56,200 --> 02:35:01,040
understand what's going on. Oh God, what well? The only

2959
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:03,520
one that sits here and wonders why.

2960
02:35:04,159 --> 02:35:06,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, Vince, we all been hearing it. We're just waiting

2961
02:35:06,159 --> 02:35:07,959
for the opportunity for you to be able to say

2962
02:35:07,959 --> 02:35:09,040
it was your idea. Son.

2963
02:35:09,239 --> 02:35:13,440
Speaker 3: I want to say that we have opportunities in our hands.

2964
02:35:14,639 --> 02:35:17,120
We have opportunities in our pants.

2965
02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:21,040
Speaker 8: God damn, is Sean not a great babyface.

2966
02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:28,159
Speaker 3: To execute possibility with transgression? Oh?

2967
02:35:28,440 --> 02:35:34,399
Speaker 8: Interesting? He sees an opportunity to execute possibility and transgression

2968
02:35:34,959 --> 02:35:38,040
in the babyface turn of Sean. Michaels I do make

2969
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:38,879
of that what you will.

2970
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:41,840
Speaker 3: I'm believe in things, and.

2971
02:35:41,959 --> 02:35:44,680
Speaker 8: Bruce says, we completely we wrote the entire summer upon

2972
02:35:44,959 --> 02:35:48,879
you know, Vince saying that about seawns a babyface, or says,

2973
02:35:48,879 --> 02:35:50,520
at least we wrote the next three weeks in the

2974
02:35:50,559 --> 02:35:52,559
car as we went to Poughkeepsie to do television where

2975
02:35:52,559 --> 02:35:55,120
this was shot, and Vince just thought we were battling

2976
02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:57,559
an uphill battle trying to make Shawn a babyface, something

2977
02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:00,520
that Pat and I, Bruce says, has been preaching and

2978
02:36:00,600 --> 02:36:02,760
told never to bring up again. So apparently the story

2979
02:36:02,920 --> 02:36:06,000
was that Pat and Bruce definitely saw Sean as a

2980
02:36:06,079 --> 02:36:08,120
baby face in this time period before Vince would come

2981
02:36:08,159 --> 02:36:16,760
around to it. Nope, wrong, didn't. I'm playing three D

2982
02:36:16,920 --> 02:36:19,200
chess here, pal, you know I'm playing eight the things

2983
02:36:19,239 --> 02:36:21,120
you don't think I noticed. I'm just trying to make

2984
02:36:21,159 --> 02:36:22,239
sure you notice.

2985
02:36:22,879 --> 02:36:25,200
Speaker 3: All right. I'm just trying to make sure things get

2986
02:36:25,319 --> 02:36:28,840
noticed by you right in a sensible fashion.

2987
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:32,399
Speaker 8: And things is a wide, wide aperture, Pal in terms

2988
02:36:32,440 --> 02:36:34,680
of what fits in there. So the easiest way to

2989
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:37,120
do it, Bruce says, was to get him away from Sid.

2990
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:39,440
And why not Let's make Sid, you know, the big

2991
02:36:39,559 --> 02:36:41,639
nasty heel, and have him kill Sean, and that will

2992
02:36:41,680 --> 02:36:44,360
make Sean a babyface. Diesel comes out for the rescue,

2993
02:36:44,399 --> 02:36:46,520
and you immediately make that switch to Sid versus Diesel.

2994
02:36:46,600 --> 02:36:49,200
But it was supposed to take longer, Bruce says it

2995
02:36:49,319 --> 02:36:51,719
was supposed to take longer to get there, but Vince

2996
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:53,239
felt it was an uphill battle and it was going

2997
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:55,840
to hurt Diesel the more that he worked with Shawn Michael,

2998
02:36:55,920 --> 02:36:57,959
so that's why it was rushed. So I think what

2999
02:36:58,040 --> 02:37:00,159
he's saying is sid power bombing Sean. It was not

3000
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:03,239
supposed to be the night after WrestleMania, I see. I

3001
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:04,719
was supposed to play it off for a longer time

3002
02:37:04,799 --> 02:37:07,799
period where Diesel and Shawn would continue to work together.

3003
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:10,239
But as Shawn indicates in his book, the way the

3004
02:37:10,239 --> 02:37:13,280
WrestleMania match played out, Vince was much more minded towards

3005
02:37:13,360 --> 02:37:16,600
getting Sean out of the picture, thinking that the crowd

3006
02:37:17,120 --> 02:37:20,200
increasingly favoring him would only hurt Diesel. I'm not saying

3007
02:37:20,239 --> 02:37:23,399
that's wrong, but it's kind of asked backwards. Its kind

3008
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:26,280
of like, yeah, exactly, events exactly, So let's make a

3009
02:37:26,360 --> 02:37:29,319
change here, right right. It'd be like if he took

3010
02:37:29,319 --> 02:37:33,120
Steve Austin off TV in nineteen ninety seven because fans

3011
02:37:33,159 --> 02:37:34,520
started cheering him over Brett Hart.

3012
02:37:34,680 --> 02:37:36,280
Speaker 3: You know, they're cheering him a little bit more than

3013
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:40,600
they're chearing the Patriot, and that's just not where we're

3014
02:37:40,600 --> 02:37:44,879
going right now. Power we're about patriotism right right, So

3015
02:37:45,399 --> 02:37:48,799
I just don't I don't appreciate where we're going and

3016
02:37:48,920 --> 02:37:49,719
why we're going there.

3017
02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:52,399
Speaker 8: As for said, he's always haid in interviews that he'd

3018
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,280
never had any issues with the Click. He told Hannibal,

3019
02:37:55,000 --> 02:37:57,680
not at all, but he does remember the matches with

3020
02:37:57,719 --> 02:38:00,840
Diesel being tough and not that good. He says that

3021
02:38:00,920 --> 02:38:03,000
Diesel just did not have a lot of great psychology.

3022
02:38:03,079 --> 02:38:04,760
I hate to say it, Sid said to Hannibal, but

3023
02:38:04,959 --> 02:38:07,879
he's somebody who's got two left feet Diesel. So that's

3024
02:38:09,159 --> 02:38:12,360
there you go. There just wasn't no, nothing was memorable

3025
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:15,639
about him. Sid says, Oh Jesus, oh my god, what

3026
02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:17,879
if Nash heard he said that before he offered a

3027
02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:23,319
such flattering commentary. Upon his passing, he's asked did you

3028
02:38:23,360 --> 02:38:25,559
get along behind the scenes with him? And Sid says, oh, yeah,

3029
02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:29,200
when we first started, we wrote together, so it wasn't

3030
02:38:29,239 --> 02:38:30,840
that we didn't get along. It's just I don't know.

3031
02:38:30,920 --> 02:38:33,079
I don't know if anybody's ever said that they had

3032
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:36,079
great matches with him. It's a fucking nog. I don't

3033
02:38:36,079 --> 02:38:38,040
if anybody's ever said they've had great matches with Kevin

3034
02:38:38,120 --> 02:38:42,799
Nash Well, I mean Sean and Brett did. Yeah, for sure,

3035
02:38:43,479 --> 02:38:45,319
But that's kind of where the list ends. Unless I'm

3036
02:38:45,319 --> 02:38:50,399
forgetting somebody. The Goldberg matches weren't bad for what they were.

3037
02:38:50,920 --> 02:38:53,239
I will give him that. Yeah, he rose to the

3038
02:38:53,239 --> 02:38:55,719
occasion on those that would have been when he was

3039
02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:59,000
in w CW, when he started. Okay, yeah, so they

3040
02:38:59,079 --> 02:39:01,840
go back to when were writing together. As for the corporation,

3041
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:04,959
what does Teddy Byassi think being in this position of

3042
02:39:05,079 --> 02:39:07,879
managing Sid, a guy who is not supposed to need

3043
02:39:07,920 --> 02:39:10,200
a manager, right, I mean, he's talking his ass off.

3044
02:39:11,280 --> 02:39:14,239
Here's Teddy Byassi in his book. Vince eventually took me

3045
02:39:14,239 --> 02:39:16,680
out of the announcing booth. Remember ted was doing commentary too.

3046
02:39:17,799 --> 02:39:20,120
He told me that he wanted me exclusively as a manager.

3047
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:22,319
Vince wanted me on the road full time to manage

3048
02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:25,879
Sid Vicious. I served as his advisor and mentor. I

3049
02:39:26,120 --> 02:39:28,280
was to groom Sid and teach him about the business

3050
02:39:28,319 --> 02:39:30,639
and how to work in the business. After all these years,

3051
02:39:30,879 --> 02:39:33,799
all the money this guy's made, we still need someone

3052
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:37,000
to teach Sid how to be in the business. In

3053
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:38,799
other words, how to countenance the fact.

3054
02:39:38,680 --> 02:39:40,319
Speaker 3: That we really need we need to teach him out

3055
02:39:40,319 --> 02:39:44,920
to work WW style. You know this isn't your southern wrestling, right.

3056
02:39:46,479 --> 02:39:48,000
Speaker 8: What we need to do, as far as I can tell,

3057
02:39:48,120 --> 02:39:50,440
we need to get him to accept the fact that

3058
02:39:51,479 --> 02:39:54,600
we can't necessarily afford to pay you consistently every time

3059
02:39:54,680 --> 02:39:55,760
and shut the fuck up about it.

3060
02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:57,879
Speaker 3: That's what we want to say is I'm not going

3061
02:39:57,959 --> 02:40:01,840
to pay you to me you can wrestle.

3062
02:40:02,760 --> 02:40:05,200
Speaker 8: See, we do things differently here, Palin. I know that

3063
02:40:05,319 --> 02:40:06,959
you were rocketed to the moon before you really got

3064
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:08,600
a chance to learn the business. But let me tell you,

3065
02:40:09,959 --> 02:40:12,479
coming in here and expecting these guarantee three hundred and

3066
02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:14,559
fifty thousand dollars years, it's just not how the business works.

3067
02:40:14,600 --> 02:40:16,639
That's that's not the incentive structure that's going to make

3068
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:20,040
you all you can be. In other words, I don't

3069
02:40:20,040 --> 02:40:20,479
have the money.

3070
02:40:20,799 --> 02:40:23,719
Speaker 3: In other words, I don't have the compensation at the

3071
02:40:23,879 --> 02:40:26,600
ready to offer you the things that you're requiring.

3072
02:40:26,840 --> 02:40:31,479
Speaker 8: I don't have compensation at the ready. You know it's money,

3073
02:40:31,799 --> 02:40:35,479
and I'm pretty sure that's why you said it. I

3074
02:40:35,639 --> 02:40:37,440
was to groom sit and teach them about the business

3075
02:40:37,440 --> 02:40:38,920
and how to work in the business. SID had come

3076
02:40:38,959 --> 02:40:41,120
into the word Wrestling Federation. After an incident that had

3077
02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:44,000
happened overseas World Championship Wrestling, he and Arn Anderson got

3078
02:40:44,040 --> 02:40:46,159
in an altercation at their hotel in England. Had led

3079
02:40:46,159 --> 02:40:47,799
to a fight ended up with Sid stabbing On in

3080
02:40:47,879 --> 02:40:50,600
the back with a pair of cuticle scissors. I never

3081
02:40:50,680 --> 02:40:53,520
heard I've never heard someone say they were cuticle scissors

3082
02:40:53,639 --> 02:40:56,559
like that as opposed to just scissors. Interesting.

3083
02:40:56,879 --> 02:41:03,479
Speaker 3: Well, I believe that they The expert uh transition was

3084
02:41:03,559 --> 02:41:05,680
on the cuticle nature of the.

3085
02:41:06,280 --> 02:41:07,680
Speaker 8: Did you see the expert transition?

3086
02:41:08,079 --> 02:41:11,120
Speaker 3: I said things that most people don't say.

3087
02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:20,079
Speaker 8: Arn, were they cuticle scissors? After all was said and down,

3088
02:41:20,159 --> 02:41:21,840
Arn ended up with more than twenty stab wounds. The

3089
02:41:21,879 --> 02:41:24,239
company fired Sid. When Vince told me this, I didn't

3090
02:41:24,239 --> 02:41:26,040
want to do it. The reason was because of my

3091
02:41:26,079 --> 02:41:28,520
friendship with Arn. I pulled Bruce Pritchrick to the side

3092
02:41:28,559 --> 02:41:29,959
and told him, so, Vince wants me to go on

3093
02:41:29,959 --> 02:41:32,360
the road and babysit this big and strong yet raw

3094
02:41:32,440 --> 02:41:35,000
guy who stabbed one of my best friends Arn in

3095
02:41:35,079 --> 02:41:42,000
the back. Bruce simply replied, yes, Tad, it's Vince.

3096
02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:44,120
Speaker 2: I know you.

3097
02:41:45,959 --> 02:41:47,879
Speaker 8: I know you and Arn are really tight, gone back

3098
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:49,799
many years. I get a great deal respect for arn

3099
02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:51,559
as you know, but I want you to know that

3100
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:53,360
it's hurt. As soon as I heard he got stabbed

3101
02:41:53,399 --> 02:41:55,559
almost to death by Sid, I thought, wouldn't it be

3102
02:41:56,079 --> 02:42:01,360
funny if I made you manage him? You know, that's

3103
02:42:01,399 --> 02:42:08,000
a man from be that's correct, rough with good start.

3104
02:42:09,360 --> 02:42:12,120
Speaker 3: So I wanted to throw something by you to see

3105
02:42:12,120 --> 02:42:16,559
if you right at any thoughts and on on the

3106
02:42:16,920 --> 02:42:19,719
on the situation here. But I know you're, I know you're.

3107
02:42:19,799 --> 02:42:22,399
I really wanted to just call and see how you're

3108
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:25,959
doing in regards to him. You know, you your I

3109
02:42:26,079 --> 02:42:31,760
know that your longtime acquaintances and h whatnot with Arne.

3110
02:42:32,200 --> 02:42:35,079
Speaker 8: I talked to him last week and he's he's doing okay, Vince,

3111
02:42:35,159 --> 02:42:37,559
but that I'm really worried about him, and I'm actually

3112
02:42:37,959 --> 02:42:39,600
I'm furious that this happened to the guy.

3113
02:42:39,719 --> 02:42:42,840
Speaker 3: I understand, and I can understand that you'd also be

3114
02:42:43,159 --> 02:42:48,079
furious with the man who did it. The absolutely the aggressor. Right.

3115
02:42:48,639 --> 02:42:50,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was never a big fan of his, as

3116
02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:52,760
you know. You put me in the ring with him

3117
02:42:52,799 --> 02:42:56,559
for his very first match here, and I just I

3118
02:42:56,639 --> 02:42:58,079
did all I could with the guy, But I never

3119
02:42:58,200 --> 02:42:59,680
felt like he was someone that had his head right

3120
02:42:59,719 --> 02:43:00,840
about this business.

3121
02:43:00,639 --> 02:43:02,520
Speaker 3: You know, And I want to say that that.

3122
02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:04,719
Speaker 8: You know, I'm just really glad he's not here.

3123
02:43:04,840 --> 02:43:06,280
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and you know what, I want

3124
02:43:06,319 --> 02:43:09,200
to say that as as the one who did that,

3125
02:43:09,319 --> 02:43:11,239
I want to say that I apologize. You know, we're

3126
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:11,959
all human beings.

3127
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:13,799
Speaker 8: We all make Oh that's fine minutes. So that's water

3128
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:15,399
under the bridge. That's not your problem.

3129
02:43:15,479 --> 02:43:17,959
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. What I want to do, and actually

3130
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:20,479
why i'm calling is because I want to actually rectify

3131
02:43:20,559 --> 02:43:21,280
that whole situation.

3132
02:43:22,200 --> 02:43:24,239
Speaker 8: Oh that's kind of you, but I don't think that's necessary.

3133
02:43:24,840 --> 02:43:25,559
We've all moved on.

3134
02:43:26,079 --> 02:43:27,559
Speaker 3: And I do believe that.

3135
02:43:28,959 --> 02:43:29,399
Speaker 11: You know that.

3136
02:43:29,639 --> 02:43:32,440
Speaker 3: I believe in karma. I believe in good things for people.

3137
02:43:32,520 --> 02:43:34,559
Speaker 8: Me too, I do too. And what I wanted to

3138
02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:36,520
do and the Good Lord does too, the good Lord

3139
02:43:36,559 --> 02:43:36,879
does too.

3140
02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:38,639
Speaker 3: Yes, I know the Good Lord. The Good Lord is

3141
02:43:38,760 --> 02:43:41,680
the Good Lord Alfred Hayes. And what I wanted to

3142
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:44,920
do was just offer you the opportunity here, and I

3143
02:43:45,000 --> 02:43:49,280
think this could be an excellent chance to vindicate not

3144
02:43:49,440 --> 02:43:56,239
only myself but yourself from the the matters at hand.

3145
02:43:56,639 --> 02:43:56,719
Speaker 11: And.

3146
02:43:58,719 --> 02:44:02,159
Speaker 8: Vidicate myself. He offers ted A chands to vindicate himself,

3147
02:44:02,399 --> 02:44:06,760
Vince's self. It's like it's like, wait a minute, what

3148
02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:10,360
what is this from the matters at hand?

3149
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:18,360
Speaker 3: And well, see, you know the way that I feel

3150
02:44:18,440 --> 02:44:20,959
like the best, you know, the best way that someone

3151
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:26,479
can move on from a situation, I think is through humor, right,

3152
02:44:26,799 --> 02:44:29,000
And in that regard, I want you to humor me,

3153
02:44:30,280 --> 02:44:36,520
because well there's no easy way to say this except

3154
02:44:36,680 --> 02:44:37,079
just say it.

3155
02:44:37,159 --> 02:44:39,479
Speaker 8: And you fire me, are you, Vince? You're not going

3156
02:44:39,559 --> 02:44:39,959
to fire me.

3157
02:44:40,079 --> 02:44:40,959
Speaker 3: I've listened.

3158
02:44:41,639 --> 02:44:44,079
Speaker 8: My marriage is on the ropes. I can't stop cheating.

3159
02:44:44,639 --> 02:44:44,840
Speaker 2: I know.

3160
02:44:45,159 --> 02:44:47,799
Speaker 3: Listen, listen, neither can I. I'm with you, all right,

3161
02:44:48,600 --> 02:44:50,719
I get it. I can't even in.

3162
02:44:50,719 --> 02:44:53,440
Speaker 8: Fact, fact, just last past week exactly, in fact, just

3163
02:44:53,559 --> 02:44:54,639
last night last.

3164
02:44:54,520 --> 02:44:59,639
Speaker 3: Night, I had about eighteen in my room Whend was sleeping,

3165
02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:09,159
and I fucked eighteen women. We're talking hardcore, all right, hardcore?

3166
02:45:10,559 --> 02:45:17,239
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, full on rectal penetration,

3167
02:45:17,319 --> 02:45:23,479
if you know what I mean. But what I want

3168
02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:30,040
to do is offer us redemption. And I think the

3169
02:45:30,200 --> 02:45:32,879
only way we can be redeemed is to go and

3170
02:45:33,120 --> 02:45:40,719
face our fears and our past eye to eye. And

3171
02:45:40,840 --> 02:45:45,559
I want you to face sid eyed eye.

3172
02:45:47,280 --> 02:45:49,559
Speaker 8: Oh, come on, No, you can't be serious.

3173
02:45:50,799 --> 02:45:52,520
Speaker 3: You're going to manage Sid and you're going to take

3174
02:45:52,600 --> 02:45:54,159
him on the road with you. What.

3175
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:57,319
Speaker 8: I don't want to be in the same zip code

3176
02:45:57,319 --> 02:46:01,559
as this guy. Why this is happening, because I can't imagine.

3177
02:46:01,920 --> 02:46:06,000
Speaker 3: You need excuse me, you need it. You need to

3178
02:46:06,120 --> 02:46:11,079
understand that if you don't take Sid, I'm gonna stab you.

3179
02:46:14,200 --> 02:46:15,799
You think what happened to him is bad? Pal, You

3180
02:46:15,840 --> 02:46:17,920
think what happened to Arna Anderson, your good friend is

3181
02:46:18,319 --> 02:46:23,239
is is is bad? Wait till I get a knife

3182
02:46:23,280 --> 02:46:24,120
and take you down.

3183
02:46:27,799 --> 02:46:31,760
Speaker 8: He didn't even do anything, and he is threatening him

3184
02:46:32,559 --> 02:46:37,000
in the most like unequivocal way. Within seconds, I.

3185
02:46:37,079 --> 02:46:40,159
Speaker 3: Will I will take the blade from one end of

3186
02:46:40,239 --> 02:46:45,159
your torso to the other, and I will drink the

3187
02:46:45,280 --> 02:46:46,040
blood of God.

3188
02:46:47,920 --> 02:47:04,559
Speaker 8: God just direct threats, like instant threats to get the

3189
02:47:04,639 --> 02:47:08,680
guy to do it. He wants it. And Ted, I

3190
02:47:08,760 --> 02:47:11,159
know I said I did it for you and because

3191
02:47:11,159 --> 02:47:13,600
it's the best for you, and I meant that wholeheartedly.

3192
02:47:14,079 --> 02:47:15,600
But I also want you to know Ted that I'm

3193
02:47:15,639 --> 02:47:19,959
putting you with Sid because I thought it would be funny.

3194
02:47:20,440 --> 02:47:24,840
Speaker 3: Put you with Sid, because you know what, I laugh

3195
02:47:24,959 --> 02:47:27,799
at shit like that because I think that's funny. I

3196
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:30,319
think it's funny watching.

3197
02:47:30,200 --> 02:47:35,159
Speaker 8: You suffer, watching you have to manage the guy who

3198
02:47:35,200 --> 02:47:36,159
almost kills your friends.

3199
02:47:36,200 --> 02:47:39,760
Speaker 3: I want you every fucking time that you're with Sid,

3200
02:47:40,200 --> 02:47:41,879
I want you to think that this is the guy

3201
02:47:41,959 --> 02:47:45,399
that stabbed my friend. Yes, and when you do that,

3202
02:47:46,600 --> 02:47:52,239
think of me laughing my ass off, exactly, laughing as

3203
02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:56,959
hard as I fucking can beget out you. You, my

3204
02:47:57,120 --> 02:47:59,879
friends are suffering.

3205
02:48:02,760 --> 02:48:04,520
Speaker 8: And you know what's funniest about it, pal, It's not

3206
02:48:04,680 --> 02:48:07,079
so much that you're forced to be in this situation

3207
02:48:07,280 --> 02:48:10,079
with someone that you can't stand. What's the best part

3208
02:48:10,120 --> 02:48:12,000
of it all is I can force you to do it.

3209
02:48:13,079 --> 02:48:14,600
That I that, at the end of the day, I

3210
02:48:14,719 --> 02:48:18,239
have the power to make you befriend someone who almost

3211
02:48:18,440 --> 02:48:20,840
murdered a good, lifelong friend of yours.

3212
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:22,079
Speaker 3: I can.

3213
02:48:22,280 --> 02:48:25,280
Speaker 8: I have the power to make you pretend that you

3214
02:48:25,399 --> 02:48:27,079
actually get along with him and he's not such a

3215
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:29,920
bad you know how satisfying to.

3216
02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:33,239
Speaker 3: Get you to do something that makes you feel like

3217
02:48:33,559 --> 02:48:39,159
absolute shit. Said, you know, mister DIBIASI no ted the

3218
02:48:39,239 --> 02:48:44,239
million dollar man. Huh you gotta shake hands day a seat,

3219
02:48:46,440 --> 02:48:48,000
not tad. You don't have anycissors on you do you

3220
02:48:51,879 --> 02:48:56,399
let's cut right, Pal, just cut to the chase. Why

3221
02:48:56,399 --> 02:48:58,000
don't we you know, let's just.

3222
02:48:59,280 --> 02:49:00,959
Speaker 8: Let's let's take a few stabs at this thing and

3223
02:49:01,000 --> 02:49:02,120
see what we can't figure out.

3224
02:49:03,559 --> 02:49:05,280
Speaker 3: I'd like to dive right into the wound.

3225
02:49:06,079 --> 02:49:08,280
Speaker 8: Let's not leave too much on the cutting room floor.

3226
02:49:08,399 --> 02:49:14,399
Speaker 2: Pal lapsed fan Wrestling podcast.

3227
02:49:34,799 --> 02:49:39,600
Speaker 1: He's lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and JP.

3228
02:49:39,799 --> 02:49:43,040
Speaker 3: Soo, let's not take scissors and stab each other with them,

3229
02:49:43,399 --> 02:49:43,680
all right?

3230
02:49:44,959 --> 02:49:54,719
Speaker 8: While we're doing metaphors now said, Uh, we're taking a

3231
02:49:54,879 --> 02:49:56,559
we're taking a leap of faith bringing you back. As

3232
02:49:56,600 --> 02:49:59,120
I think mister DIBIASI can attest, and we've spent some

3233
02:49:59,239 --> 02:50:02,799
time talking about and I don't think mister Debiassi or

3234
02:50:02,879 --> 02:50:07,440
myself can get really full comfort with your presence in

3235
02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:10,840
our locker room and in our organization once again, without

3236
02:50:10,959 --> 02:50:14,079
some you know, straightforward proof that you're able to contain

3237
02:50:15,079 --> 02:50:18,879
your darkest urges and then at times of temptation, that

3238
02:50:18,959 --> 02:50:21,479
you won't give in to things that can harm yourself

3239
02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:23,799
others in the company. So what I'm gonna do, sit

3240
02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:26,000
is I'm gonna slide this pair of scissors across the desk.

3241
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:31,319
Speaker 3: I just want to you know, I want so what

3242
02:50:31,440 --> 02:50:32,959
I want you to do is I'm gonna slide these

3243
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:35,719
across your desk, All right, Ted, you sit the fuck down.

3244
02:50:36,959 --> 02:50:38,760
Speaker 8: Ted trying to get out of there. Ted's trying to

3245
02:50:38,760 --> 02:50:39,879
get the fuck out of there.

3246
02:50:40,239 --> 02:50:41,600
Speaker 3: I will fucking kill you right now.

3247
02:50:41,719 --> 02:50:44,120
Speaker 8: You can't believe how dark this is getting said.

3248
02:50:44,239 --> 02:50:46,520
Speaker 3: I want you to listen, Tad.

3249
02:50:46,559 --> 02:50:48,159
Speaker 8: You see this. You see this button on my desk

3250
02:50:48,280 --> 02:50:50,120
when I press it, listen to the door lock.

3251
02:50:51,360 --> 02:50:56,000
Speaker 3: And Ted, do you see that my other hand is

3252
02:50:56,079 --> 02:51:01,120
underneath the table. Yeah, you know why that is no exactly.

3253
02:51:02,840 --> 02:51:03,680
Speaker 8: I got the matt lower.

3254
02:51:06,360 --> 02:51:11,719
Speaker 3: That's gonna fucking make you scream like a bitch if

3255
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:16,120
you even get up out of that chair. Sit down,

3256
02:51:17,079 --> 02:51:18,239
and shut the fuck up.

3257
02:51:19,319 --> 02:51:21,040
Speaker 8: Back to the lesson at hand, said, what do I

3258
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:21,559
want you to do?

3259
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:25,360
Speaker 3: I want you to look. I'm sliding these extremely sharp

3260
02:51:26,319 --> 02:51:30,040
metallic scissors across my table to you.

3261
02:51:30,280 --> 02:51:32,479
Speaker 8: Look at them. Look at them, shine glimmer in fact

3262
02:51:32,559 --> 02:51:33,200
in the lamplight.

3263
02:51:33,399 --> 02:51:37,559
Speaker 3: Grab them, hold them in the palm of your hand,

3264
02:51:39,239 --> 02:51:47,239
Squeeze your fist around the scissor. I want you to

3265
02:51:47,319 --> 02:51:51,959
lift it up in the air. All right. I want

3266
02:51:52,040 --> 02:51:58,239
you to then take the sharp end and hold it

3267
02:51:58,399 --> 02:52:03,319
in a stabbing fashion, all right, And I want you

3268
02:52:03,399 --> 02:52:10,479
to turn the point at Ted, turn it at Ted,

3269
02:52:11,879 --> 02:52:17,120
wind up, and the test is here. Will you stab

3270
02:52:17,239 --> 02:52:17,559
him or.

3271
02:52:28,040 --> 02:52:28,920
Speaker 8: His looks at him?

3272
02:52:30,879 --> 02:52:32,840
Speaker 3: If you feel the need to thrust, you do it.

3273
02:52:33,959 --> 02:52:37,799
But if you don't, don't do it and stay right,

3274
02:52:37,879 --> 02:52:39,399
and we'll be glad to have you back. We'll and

3275
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:42,399
we'll then you know, I'm giving you the count I'm

3276
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:44,440
giving you. I'll tell you what I'm gonna give you.

3277
02:52:44,600 --> 02:52:51,840
Fifteen minutes to hold those blades over your head, and

3278
02:52:52,040 --> 02:52:54,840
you in fifteen minutes, Ted, sit down.

3279
02:52:55,879 --> 02:52:56,879
Speaker 8: I'm gonna leave the office.

3280
02:52:56,920 --> 02:52:58,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave the I'm gonna this is gonna give

3281
02:52:58,479 --> 02:53:01,399
you complete privacy. I don't want a word to be said.

3282
02:53:02,120 --> 02:53:06,959
Speaker 8: He leaves Ted alone locked in an office with Sid

3283
02:53:07,200 --> 02:53:11,000
holding a huge pair of scissors lifted above his head.

3284
02:53:12,360 --> 02:53:17,079
Just to see if they can, you know, coexist stab him?

3285
02:53:22,079 --> 02:53:24,040
Said it needy to prove to me that you won't

3286
02:53:24,120 --> 02:53:25,040
stab somebody.

3287
02:53:25,040 --> 02:53:27,399
Speaker 3: I need I need to believe, all right. I need

3288
02:53:27,479 --> 02:53:31,920
to believe that you will do the best possible, make

3289
02:53:31,959 --> 02:53:34,440
the best choice in a terrible situation.

3290
02:53:35,479 --> 02:53:39,440
Speaker 8: It's amazing and perhaps apropos of that DEBIASI goes on

3291
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:41,360
to write, I came to find out that Sid was

3292
02:53:41,399 --> 02:53:46,040
a decent guy. He wasn't a good technical wrestler, but

3293
02:53:46,200 --> 02:53:49,120
he had a chiseled body, conducted great interviews, and had

3294
02:53:49,159 --> 02:53:51,040
respect for the business. He was a legitimate six '

3295
02:53:51,120 --> 02:53:52,200
nine and was very intimidating.

3296
02:53:53,280 --> 02:53:54,920
Speaker 3: What's an illegitimate.

3297
02:53:56,520 --> 02:53:59,239
Speaker 8: Lifts in your boobs or being announced to six '

3298
02:53:59,319 --> 02:54:00,399
nine when you're not okay?

3299
02:54:00,559 --> 02:54:01,120
Speaker 3: That makes sense.

3300
02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:03,719
Speaker 8: He listened to me and worked very hard to improve

3301
02:54:03,799 --> 02:54:05,600
in the ring. He eventually became a two time World

3302
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:08,719
Wresting Federation Everyweight champion. Well managing Sid, I traveled all

3303
02:54:08,719 --> 02:54:10,600
over the States and even a couple of times to Europe.

3304
02:54:10,760 --> 02:54:12,520
I really didn't want to be what is he fucking

3305
02:54:12,520 --> 02:54:16,639
George Bailey? Maybe a couple of times a year?

3306
02:54:17,799 --> 02:54:20,040
Speaker 3: Oh, George, you want to take a grip of year

3307
02:54:20,120 --> 02:54:22,959
if you do a couple of business meetings here and

3308
02:54:23,040 --> 02:54:23,840
there around the.

3309
02:54:23,840 --> 02:54:25,959
Speaker 8: Oh you stupid. If someone's boat, who's coming?

3310
02:54:26,440 --> 02:54:37,559
Speaker 28: If you are a salary of five thousand dollars a year, God,

3311
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:42,600
propose that to Sid. To see what happens? Potter negotiating

3312
02:54:42,639 --> 02:54:43,159
with Sid.

3313
02:54:43,760 --> 02:54:46,799
Speaker 3: Yes, I, Oh, I don't mean any disrespect, but I'm

3314
02:54:46,879 --> 02:54:51,239
going to offer you a whopping salary of five thousand

3315
02:54:51,399 --> 02:54:55,120
dollars a year. Yes the fuck are you're talking about

3316
02:54:56,239 --> 02:54:58,479
five thousand dollars? Yeah?

3317
02:54:58,840 --> 02:54:59,840
Speaker 5: Oh, I know, I know.

3318
02:55:00,799 --> 02:55:04,200
Speaker 3: It's very It's it's more than you can possibly imagine.

3319
02:55:04,920 --> 02:55:07,000
You like, Oh, you like cigars, you want to travel

3320
02:55:07,079 --> 02:55:10,719
roma globe, dig business trips. I'm gonna fucking kill you.

3321
02:55:12,719 --> 02:55:17,159
Speaker 8: He so mad. He offers Sid a whopping five thousand.

3322
02:55:17,319 --> 02:55:20,959
He offers vade or a whopper of five thousand, five

3323
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:28,799
thousand whoppers. Have it your way, well, managing Sid. I

3324
02:55:28,879 --> 02:55:30,559
traveled all over the States and even a couple of

3325
02:55:30,639 --> 02:55:32,920
times to you. I really didn't want to be on

3326
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:35,959
the road. It pulled me away from my family because

3327
02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:37,440
of my commitment to the company and the fact that

3328
02:55:37,520 --> 02:55:38,239
I needed the money.

3329
02:55:38,639 --> 02:55:39,479
Speaker 3: There it is, I think I know.

3330
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:41,319
Speaker 8: Which of the two is the truth. There I sucked

3331
02:55:41,319 --> 02:55:42,479
it up and one on the road. I thought of

3332
02:55:42,520 --> 02:55:44,440
myself that everything would eventually work out in my days

3333
02:55:44,440 --> 02:55:45,680
in the road would soon decrease.

3334
02:55:45,799 --> 02:55:47,360
Speaker 3: Well, not quite.

3335
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:47,559
Speaker 11: So.

3336
02:55:48,440 --> 02:55:50,920
Speaker 8: They're working with Sid. They're trying to make him somebody

3337
02:55:51,000 --> 02:55:52,879
that fits the mold of what they want out of

3338
02:55:52,959 --> 02:55:55,559
someone in his position on the card, not building the

3339
02:55:55,600 --> 02:56:00,760
whole enterprise around him and his particular needs, his particular

3340
02:56:01,840 --> 02:56:06,799
fits of immaturity, one might say. And part of work.

3341
02:56:06,959 --> 02:56:09,440
Part of that work is getting him to be a

3342
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:12,920
better extemporaneous speaker on promos, because while we have been

3343
02:56:12,920 --> 02:56:15,000
impressed with some of his work, it is kind of short,

3344
02:56:15,040 --> 02:56:15,879
burst in nature.

3345
02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:16,120
Speaker 3: Right.

3346
02:56:16,440 --> 02:56:19,239
Speaker 8: Yes, you can't really picture Sid, you know, telling much

3347
02:56:19,280 --> 02:56:21,399
of a story on a promo beyond just like you know,

3348
02:56:21,520 --> 02:56:26,239
issuing threats and saying it's simple. It's real simple simple,

3349
02:56:26,879 --> 02:56:32,079
that's ample simple. It's simple, And that's the problem, Sid.

3350
02:56:32,680 --> 02:56:36,360
It's always simple, and sometimes it calls from something more

3351
02:56:36,399 --> 02:56:38,479
than that. And I think Cornett, who would work with

3352
02:56:38,600 --> 02:56:41,600
talent producing interviews at the time, uh put it put

3353
02:56:41,639 --> 02:56:45,840
it well when discussing Sit on his podcast, Oh pardon me,

3354
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:46,319
rong one.

3355
02:56:46,360 --> 02:56:46,639
Speaker 3: Here we go.

3356
02:56:47,959 --> 02:56:50,520
Speaker 7: He know he was a perfect promo except if he

3357
02:56:50,639 --> 02:56:53,719
had to go too long or explain One of the guys,

3358
02:56:54,680 --> 02:56:56,520
there's a lot of guys like this. If they have

3359
02:56:56,639 --> 02:56:59,559
to go too long or explain too much detail, it

3360
02:57:00,200 --> 02:57:03,000
robs them of their intensity because they get lost or

3361
02:57:03,079 --> 02:57:08,639
they just get hesitant, as I just was, and that's

3362
02:57:08,680 --> 02:57:12,200
why if you have the little manager to fill in

3363
02:57:12,399 --> 02:57:17,319
the details and do the fucking bridges amongst this monster

3364
02:57:18,559 --> 02:57:23,479
having short, violent verbal outbursts like he could do tremendous

3365
02:57:24,479 --> 02:57:29,799
that's your key there. But one time again, on one

3366
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:32,000
of the promos, it didn't even matter, like you said,

3367
02:57:32,079 --> 02:57:37,000
whether it made sense, because it sounded so real that

3368
02:57:37,079 --> 02:57:39,360
he was saying it. He actually he did a promo

3369
02:57:39,440 --> 02:57:42,200
and I can't remember what it was, but some way

3370
02:57:42,280 --> 02:57:47,360
or another he told the people in some twisted syntax

3371
02:57:47,440 --> 02:57:53,120
that he was half as smart and half as as

3372
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:55,239
big as his opponent or whatever.

3373
02:57:55,559 --> 02:57:58,040
Speaker 3: In WW it cost Scott Hall to start laughing at

3374
02:57:58,120 --> 02:57:58,920
him in the middle of the ring.

3375
02:57:59,479 --> 02:58:03,680
Speaker 7: Yes, but you know, but again it's fucking sid and

3376
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:06,280
everybody thought he was goofy and out of his mind,

3377
02:58:07,079 --> 02:58:09,680
and because the party was goofy and out of his mind.

3378
02:58:11,479 --> 02:58:13,079
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, he levered that to the hill. I

3379
02:58:13,079 --> 02:58:15,000
don't know if he knew he was leveraging that when

3380
02:58:15,040 --> 02:58:18,040
he tried to speak on promos, but it worked for

3381
02:58:18,120 --> 02:58:20,639
him when he didn't make any sense because his character

3382
02:58:20,920 --> 02:58:24,200
was somebody who was basically speaking in tongues because he

3383
02:58:24,319 --> 02:58:27,600
was so fucked up in the head and it really

3384
02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:29,799
played to his strength as time went. But the kind

3385
02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:31,719
of thing I think Cornett is talking about is well

3386
02:58:31,760 --> 02:58:35,440
epitomized in the Peak nineteen ninety five SYD clip. And

3387
02:58:35,559 --> 02:58:37,959
we know what this is. This is an in your

3388
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:40,360
house pre show where he's in the locker room, Jim

3389
02:58:40,479 --> 02:58:44,399
Ross holding the mic and they're alive. They are live

3390
02:58:44,440 --> 02:58:46,159
on this pre show and Sid does not know this.

3391
02:58:46,399 --> 02:58:49,000
This the Sid that claims to not even know WrestleMania

3392
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:50,360
eight was going to be a big deal until he

3393
02:58:50,399 --> 02:58:52,319
showed up at the building. Thought it was just kind

3394
02:58:52,319 --> 02:58:55,159
of another run of the mill night. Also didn't know

3395
02:58:55,319 --> 02:58:58,319
that the movie from Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho was playing when

3396
02:58:58,319 --> 02:59:02,159
he came to the rim. We all know that this

3397
02:59:02,360 --> 02:59:06,479
is what happens when Sid is in a in circumstances

3398
02:59:06,559 --> 02:59:07,440
beyond his control.

3399
02:59:08,200 --> 02:59:11,920
Speaker 20: People say that your desire to control the WWF championship

3400
02:59:12,239 --> 02:59:15,600
is more lack an obsession. Are you obsessed with obtaining

3401
02:59:15,639 --> 02:59:16,760
the WWF title?

3402
02:59:17,600 --> 02:59:19,440
Speaker 11: You might say that, Jim Ross, you might say that

3403
02:59:19,520 --> 02:59:21,559
I am obsessed with gaining the World Wrestling Centory.

3404
02:59:21,680 --> 02:59:21,799
Speaker 18: Yes.

3405
02:59:21,959 --> 02:59:24,159
Speaker 3: First, you see, by winning the title and bringing it

3406
02:59:24,239 --> 02:59:26,520
to the corporation, it gives me a tremendous amount of

3407
02:59:26,639 --> 02:59:29,239
leverage within the World Wrestling Federation. As you know, I

3408
02:59:29,360 --> 02:59:31,360
always like to have the upper hand. And as far

3409
02:59:31,399 --> 02:59:33,639
as me not being able to have bought the title,

3410
02:59:33,879 --> 02:59:35,840
when this man walks in that ring to night and

3411
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:37,920
walks out with that belt, I will have in fact

3412
02:59:38,239 --> 02:59:40,120
bought the title because he works for me.

3413
02:59:40,600 --> 02:59:41,680
Speaker 4: Sim I've got a question for you.

3414
02:59:41,799 --> 02:59:44,040
Speaker 20: We all know that you can bring the heavy offense,

3415
02:59:44,079 --> 02:59:45,799
but there are a lot of skeptics that think that

3416
02:59:45,959 --> 02:59:48,399
perhaps you can't take it, that you can't take the

3417
02:59:48,440 --> 02:59:50,079
punishment that Lisa will give you tonight.

3418
02:59:50,319 --> 02:59:52,120
Speaker 2: How do you address those skeptics.

3419
02:59:52,319 --> 02:59:54,959
Speaker 29: Well, the skeptics and all the people have a little bit.

3420
02:59:55,280 --> 02:59:56,000
Speaker 3: Let me do this again.

3421
02:59:56,200 --> 02:59:59,360
Speaker 13: Oh it's live how sorry, anybody has any doubt we'll

3422
02:59:59,440 --> 03:00:01,040
get their for tonight?

3423
03:00:02,360 --> 03:00:03,879
Speaker 20: Well there he here at a man a p words

3424
03:00:03,879 --> 03:00:05,159
Cicho sand back to Utah, A.

3425
03:00:05,239 --> 03:00:06,200
Speaker 3: Few words as possible.

3426
03:00:06,239 --> 03:00:09,159
Speaker 8: Please let me do this again. It's a live out.

3427
03:00:09,239 --> 03:00:12,120
Speaker 3: It's so fucking like who told him?

3428
03:00:12,319 --> 03:00:12,360
Speaker 13: Like?

3429
03:00:12,639 --> 03:00:16,760
Speaker 3: Didn't No one told them that they were live Like hello, I.

3430
03:00:16,840 --> 03:00:18,399
Speaker 8: Know I kind of think that that should be something

3431
03:00:18,479 --> 03:00:20,760
that is very apparent to the talent when they start

3432
03:00:20,799 --> 03:00:22,879
speaking into a microphone because here's the thing. Even if

3433
03:00:22,920 --> 03:00:25,280
you're at the show and they're interviewing you, it still

3434
03:00:25,319 --> 03:00:28,000
could be put in the can an air rider. You

3435
03:00:28,079 --> 03:00:30,639
don't necessarily know that the whole world is watching. Well,

3436
03:00:30,680 --> 03:00:33,719
why does it have to be live? Exactly right, especially

3437
03:00:33,719 --> 03:00:35,000
if they have the hang ups they say they do

3438
03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:38,200
about Sid speaking, But that's that's that's evidence right there

3439
03:00:38,239 --> 03:00:41,040
of what Cornett's talking about, and debase that he's standing

3440
03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:44,840
there to deliver, like, you know, the general message about

3441
03:00:44,840 --> 03:00:47,280
the WWF title H and why it's important to him

3442
03:00:47,280 --> 03:00:49,440
in the corporation and then Sid can't even get that

3443
03:00:49,559 --> 03:00:51,799
one line out right. And it wasn't even an outburst.

3444
03:00:51,840 --> 03:00:55,600
He wasn't even screaming. He's just trying to speak. Do

3445
03:00:55,639 --> 03:00:58,399
you remember him during Corporation? He didn't really scream that much.

3446
03:00:59,239 --> 03:01:02,200
He wasn't playing that killer. He was kind of just

3447
03:01:02,239 --> 03:01:02,920
like I know he was.

3448
03:01:02,959 --> 03:01:05,719
Speaker 3: I mean, they definitely played up the you know, psycho

3449
03:01:05,920 --> 03:01:09,360
aspect of it. Yeah for sure, Yeah, that he was.

3450
03:01:09,600 --> 03:01:11,639
Speaker 8: He was kind of just like saying cryptic things, but

3451
03:01:11,719 --> 03:01:15,479
he wasn't like threatening bodily harm every second he opened

3452
03:01:15,520 --> 03:01:19,120
his mouth. And yes, that was the that was what

3453
03:01:19,239 --> 03:01:20,680
Ted was doing. They were a great talker in his

3454
03:01:20,760 --> 03:01:24,079
own right, and somebody that apparently the wwfsaw is able

3455
03:01:24,120 --> 03:01:26,840
to make those bridges and get across the messages that

3456
03:01:26,959 --> 03:01:29,799
that Sid couldn't. I mean, I thought he was just fine,

3457
03:01:30,520 --> 03:01:32,200
and I thought we've heard some clips of him doing well.

3458
03:01:32,719 --> 03:01:34,879
But I think as far as like I'm coming for

3459
03:01:34,959 --> 03:01:37,040
the belt, it's going to be on July twenty first,

3460
03:01:37,159 --> 03:01:40,120
you know it's going to be in Montreal. Like Sid

3461
03:01:40,200 --> 03:01:43,280
wasn't going to hit those He just wasn't no exactly,

3462
03:01:43,799 --> 03:01:45,719
and you know his way and his way is effective,

3463
03:01:46,159 --> 03:01:48,840
but that's not always what the doctor ordered for sure

3464
03:01:49,000 --> 03:01:52,040
in any given moment. So here's Sean Michael's version of

3465
03:01:52,079 --> 03:01:54,159
what ended up happening at SummerSlam. As opposed to wrestling

3466
03:01:54,200 --> 03:01:56,719
Sid for the Intercontinental title. SummerSlam was now upon us,

3467
03:01:56,760 --> 03:01:58,879
and the creative team decided that Scott and I should

3468
03:01:58,879 --> 03:02:01,200
do another ladder match creative team, and there was a

3469
03:02:01,280 --> 03:02:06,280
creative team for sure, absolutely nineteen. Ask me how I

3470
03:02:06,319 --> 03:02:07,680
felt about it. I know we can put on a

3471
03:02:07,719 --> 03:02:09,159
good show, but it's for how I feel about it.

3472
03:02:09,239 --> 03:02:11,399
I don't like it. Sir Sean in his own books,

3473
03:02:11,440 --> 03:02:13,360
and he didn't like the idea of wrestling Scott Hall

3474
03:02:13,360 --> 03:02:15,200
at SummerSlam. Scott and I both believed it was a

3475
03:02:15,280 --> 03:02:17,360
no win situation. We had already done a ladder match

3476
03:02:17,399 --> 03:02:19,120
and we knew we couldn't top it. To me, it

3477
03:02:19,239 --> 03:02:21,000
was a I want to kick out strong on one

3478
03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:23,079
all over again. We didn't make a huge deal about

3479
03:02:23,079 --> 03:02:24,879
it though. It was one of those things if you

3480
03:02:24,959 --> 03:02:26,360
want it, I'll give it to you and I'll make

3481
03:02:26,399 --> 03:02:28,479
it the best I can. This is your show. I

3482
03:02:28,520 --> 03:02:30,959
don't like it, but it's up to you. That sounds

3483
03:02:31,000 --> 03:02:33,040
like a wrestler who knows who actually was his idea

3484
03:02:33,280 --> 03:02:39,319
exactly trying to uh and knows that it's politically sensitive

3485
03:02:39,399 --> 03:02:42,879
if if it's accepted that he pushed for that put

3486
03:02:42,920 --> 03:02:46,079
it in somebody else's mind and mouth as well. So

3487
03:02:46,520 --> 03:02:49,680
it's during the run against Diesel for the WIF Championship.

3488
03:02:49,719 --> 03:02:51,479
Of course, it's not just the in your house matches,

3489
03:02:51,559 --> 03:02:54,120
but they're working all around the horn at that time,

3490
03:02:54,879 --> 03:02:57,799
house shows and the like that Sid suffers yet another

3491
03:02:57,920 --> 03:03:02,360
injury that portends yet another abrupt departure from a major company.

3492
03:03:04,879 --> 03:03:07,000
That that's kind of another example. I think of how

3493
03:03:08,120 --> 03:03:10,280
how challenging it was for Vince and to some degree

3494
03:03:10,399 --> 03:03:13,440
WCW to fit Sid into the hole of like you're

3495
03:03:13,479 --> 03:03:15,840
gonna be a world champion. You know, you're gonna be

3496
03:03:15,840 --> 03:03:18,920
the next toe you get Hogan's spot, or we're putting

3497
03:03:18,959 --> 03:03:20,760
you over Vader and you're gonna have a run like

3498
03:03:20,879 --> 03:03:23,479
Sid is not a guy that's gonna win your belt

3499
03:03:24,159 --> 03:03:26,920
and then go on the house shows, you know what

3500
03:03:26,959 --> 03:03:30,879
I mean. It's just, yeah, it's not what people want

3501
03:03:30,959 --> 03:03:33,440
out of Sid. You put the strap on Andre in

3502
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:37,639
like eighty eighty six and Andre versus every heel is

3503
03:03:37,719 --> 03:03:40,760
in every town across the United States, three hundred days

3504
03:03:40,760 --> 03:03:43,159
a year. It's just not what he's there for. And

3505
03:03:43,280 --> 03:03:46,799
for some reason, they just always especially Vince, was always

3506
03:03:46,840 --> 03:03:50,600
insistent on trying to fit Sid into that modus operandi,

3507
03:03:50,760 --> 03:03:52,680
trying to fit Sid into like somebody who's on the

3508
03:03:52,760 --> 03:03:55,520
road all the time, just like the rest of the

3509
03:03:55,600 --> 03:03:56,760
cast of characters as opposed.

3510
03:03:56,840 --> 03:04:00,319
Speaker 3: Weird. It's so weird that he always felt the need

3511
03:04:00,479 --> 03:04:07,159
to like, I don't know, like just like I mean

3512
03:04:08,079 --> 03:04:10,000
to me, it's it's it's cheap to just say he

3513
03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:14,360
always like, you know, he had a had a hard

3514
03:04:14,440 --> 03:04:16,479
on for the for the big men, which I know

3515
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:22,559
he did, but it's like Sid's different, like much different,

3516
03:04:22,799 --> 03:04:28,760
And it's very odd that you know, because again you

3517
03:04:28,840 --> 03:04:31,280
can't really you can't think of him that in that way.

3518
03:04:31,479 --> 03:04:35,159
He's just he's not a guy who carries anything.

3519
03:04:36,440 --> 03:04:36,879
Speaker 11: He just not.

3520
03:04:37,399 --> 03:04:39,520
Speaker 8: He doesn't have the depth as a performer as an

3521
03:04:39,600 --> 03:04:42,799
athlete to keep people engaged for months and months and

3522
03:04:42,959 --> 03:04:45,879
months in all the different towns and against all different

3523
03:04:45,879 --> 03:04:48,200
manner of opponents. He's somebody that like will give you

3524
03:04:48,280 --> 03:04:52,280
a quick burst of intensity and a quick thing of like,

3525
03:04:52,319 --> 03:04:54,799
holy shit, I never considered this guy against Sid, just

3526
03:04:54,840 --> 03:04:58,079
like you said about Lex Luger, but to see him

3527
03:04:58,079 --> 03:05:00,879
as part of like the traveling troop twelve months a year.

3528
03:05:01,559 --> 03:05:04,719
Eventually he's going to be lost in that shuffle, or

3529
03:05:04,719 --> 03:05:08,479
at least his appeal what makes him marketable, is going

3530
03:05:08,520 --> 03:05:11,040
to get really diluted in that structure. And yeah, pretty

3531
03:05:11,079 --> 03:05:12,799
soon you end up with Sid wrestling Henry Godwin.

3532
03:05:12,840 --> 03:05:13,040
Speaker 3: You do.

3533
03:05:14,120 --> 03:05:16,479
Speaker 8: Because he's just not somebody that is a dynamic enough

3534
03:05:16,520 --> 03:05:18,280
performer to stay on the top of the card for

3535
03:05:18,360 --> 03:05:21,399
a long time. He's got to disappear. He's got to

3536
03:05:21,440 --> 03:05:25,000
be somebody, like we've said, who emerges to challenge, like

3537
03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:27,520
the way they booked him in ww's disastrous as his

3538
03:05:27,680 --> 03:05:29,719
WW run was because the company was a disaster. The

3539
03:05:29,760 --> 03:05:31,719
way they worked him against Goldberg made a lot of sense.

3540
03:05:31,760 --> 03:05:34,319
You know, you got a Goldberg who's taking everyone out,

3541
03:05:34,639 --> 03:05:36,680
and in the mind starts going like, okay, who beyond

3542
03:05:36,719 --> 03:05:39,559
the WCW roster could challenge this guy, It's said, is

3543
03:05:39,600 --> 03:05:41,879
perfect to show up because he's seeing this guy run

3544
03:05:41,959 --> 03:05:43,879
a monk and he's here to prove that you know,

3545
03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:47,799
I'm the original destroyer. But after that's over, it's not like, Okay,

3546
03:05:47,879 --> 03:05:49,600
now Sid's going to move on to work with somebody else.

3547
03:05:49,639 --> 03:05:52,120
It's like, no, we we only perceived him as being

3548
03:05:52,200 --> 03:05:55,360
here to achieve one goal, one mission, and he's enough

3549
03:05:55,399 --> 03:05:57,040
of a mad man that when that mission is over,

3550
03:05:57,159 --> 03:05:59,879
be it Seawn Michaels bit whatever. He's coming back for Goldberg.

3551
03:06:00,879 --> 03:06:03,319
He's going to disappear again. You know, he's not just

3552
03:06:03,360 --> 03:06:04,920
going to like, Okay, now I'm in the rankings and

3553
03:06:04,959 --> 03:06:08,399
I'm going to compete for the championship. It's it's it's

3554
03:06:08,440 --> 03:06:10,959
a it's a page. He has a hard time turning.

3555
03:06:10,959 --> 03:06:13,440
And to your point about the Shawn Sid match at

3556
03:06:13,440 --> 03:06:16,120
Survivorshi's ninety six being the final blowoff of this early

3557
03:06:16,200 --> 03:06:18,200
nineteen ninety five angle we just played. That's the thing.

3558
03:06:18,840 --> 03:06:20,520
If somebody else was the champion at the time in

3559
03:06:20,559 --> 03:06:23,399
November nineteenety six, beside Shawn Michaels, Sid wouldn't have found

3560
03:06:23,479 --> 03:06:26,959
himself in the Minivent Challenge for the Strip. It wasn't

3561
03:06:27,000 --> 03:06:29,799
like his time to get a run with the strap

3562
03:06:29,840 --> 03:06:31,680
because he's been climbing the rankings and the fans have

3563
03:06:31,760 --> 03:06:33,760
been clamoring. No one was clamoring see Sid whin the

3564
03:06:33,799 --> 03:06:36,760
belt until they realized that it could be the Sid

3565
03:06:36,879 --> 03:06:41,559
Shawn match, and it could be a passing, it could

3566
03:06:41,559 --> 03:06:44,719
be a passing of the moment of this this genreun

3567
03:06:44,760 --> 03:06:46,079
that a lot of people had kind of gotten tired

3568
03:06:46,079 --> 03:06:48,479
of by the end of nineteen ninety six. So yeah,

3569
03:06:48,520 --> 03:06:52,280
that's that's a that's interesting. Nonetheless, he's out there on

3570
03:06:52,319 --> 03:06:54,600
the road working diesel every night, trying to make it work,

3571
03:06:55,239 --> 03:06:57,639
and they're having cage matches as well to try to

3572
03:06:57,639 --> 03:07:00,840
add some spice to things. And here's said on a

3573
03:07:00,879 --> 03:07:05,120
shoot interview describing what happened one night, well.

3574
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:09,959
Speaker 12: Actually where it happened, was it happened earlier months before?

3575
03:07:13,000 --> 03:07:16,879
Speaker 11: It was an Indianapolis I think or Chicago was an Indianapolis.

3576
03:07:16,920 --> 03:07:19,000
It was in a cage match and Kevin hit me

3577
03:07:19,040 --> 03:07:22,559
from behind on the head man. I heard a pop,

3578
03:07:23,200 --> 03:07:25,799
and that's what I would completely numb all the way down.

3579
03:07:25,840 --> 03:07:30,079
I couldn't get off the map, and it's just, you know,

3580
03:07:30,559 --> 03:07:32,280
I didn't know what it was, and just kept getting

3581
03:07:32,360 --> 03:07:35,360
worse and worse and worse. And then I remember I

3582
03:07:35,440 --> 03:07:37,520
was in Albandy and me and Bob was working Bob

3583
03:07:37,559 --> 03:07:41,799
Polly were working out, and I couldn't curl my left

3584
03:07:41,840 --> 03:07:43,920
home would would come out, and that really scared me.

3585
03:07:44,040 --> 03:07:45,920
And then I tried something else and it wouldn't do up,

3586
03:07:46,559 --> 03:07:49,840
and I knew something was wrong, and so then I

3587
03:07:49,920 --> 03:07:51,879
went home and I went to one of the head

3588
03:07:52,079 --> 03:07:54,879
medical clinics in the country, and one of the top

3589
03:07:54,920 --> 03:07:55,600
guys look at it.

3590
03:07:56,239 --> 03:07:56,840
Speaker 12: He said maybe.

3591
03:07:56,840 --> 03:07:59,040
Speaker 11: He says, you can never rascal me, you know, and

3592
03:07:59,120 --> 03:08:01,399
anybody in the second doctor and the second Payton as

3593
03:08:01,399 --> 03:08:04,520
the maybe guess come on fust to Patslan. Then it's

3594
03:08:04,559 --> 03:08:10,280
a wrestle again. So I called fans are called j

3595
03:08:10,440 --> 03:08:12,360
J said, I'm true Kate wrestling.

3596
03:08:13,479 --> 03:08:18,159
Speaker 8: Wow, what do you reckon? That was probably late ninety five, right, yeah, yeah,

3597
03:08:18,600 --> 03:08:20,040
because he shows up at Survivor Series.

3598
03:08:20,120 --> 03:08:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's at Survivor Series. He does the uh, he

3599
03:08:23,000 --> 03:08:28,280
does the uh. That's the wild card tag match. Mm hmm.

3600
03:08:29,159 --> 03:08:30,319
Speaker 8: Right, right, and what does he do there?

3601
03:08:30,440 --> 03:08:41,200
Speaker 3: He teams with Sean Right. So right teams with Sean Right.

3602
03:08:41,239 --> 03:08:43,000
Because it was like it was like enemies on the

3603
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:49,040
same side. It was like it was him, Sean, Ahmed

3604
03:08:49,159 --> 03:08:56,399
Johnson and Bulldog I think, m hm against I don't

3605
03:08:56,399 --> 03:08:59,760
remember who. I know one of them was. I know

3606
03:09:00,040 --> 03:09:04,000
Scott Hall was on the other side. Here hold on,

3607
03:09:06,600 --> 03:09:11,680
Seawn Michaels, I'm gonna go. Yeah, and then Yokozuna, Owen Hart,

3608
03:09:12,040 --> 03:09:15,200
Razor Ramon and Dean Douglas on the other side.

3609
03:09:17,159 --> 03:09:19,159
Speaker 8: And that's the last pay per view appearance of this

3610
03:09:19,280 --> 03:09:19,920
run that he fix.

3611
03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:29,360
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think he was at No, he's not

3612
03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:33,559
at well, No, he's at in your house. He does

3613
03:09:33,600 --> 03:09:38,120
in your house. It's time, it's time, it's in your house.

3614
03:09:38,200 --> 03:09:40,040
It's whatever it is.

3615
03:09:42,959 --> 03:09:45,520
Speaker 8: Seasons, beatings, seasons, beatings, seasons, beatings.

3616
03:09:45,600 --> 03:09:48,799
Speaker 3: Yes, in the opening tag match, Razor and Marty versus

3617
03:09:48,879 --> 03:09:51,479
the one two three kids in Psycho Sid and then

3618
03:09:51,559 --> 03:09:53,079
he's then it's going and I know he's on the

3619
03:09:53,159 --> 03:09:56,079
Royal Rumble that's going places.

3620
03:09:56,799 --> 03:10:12,760
Speaker 1: The Last fand wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows

3621
03:10:12,840 --> 03:10:30,879
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's

3622
03:10:30,959 --> 03:10:36,000
the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno JP SOO.

3623
03:10:36,360 --> 03:10:37,799
Speaker 8: The reason I ask all that is because I'm not

3624
03:10:37,959 --> 03:10:42,079
sure I mean this match he's talking about where he

3625
03:10:42,120 --> 03:10:43,719
gets popped in the back of the head by diesel.

3626
03:10:44,000 --> 03:10:46,559
If it's in Indianapolis, he's got the wrong city, because

3627
03:10:46,879 --> 03:10:49,879
I see on history of WW three shows in Indianapolis

3628
03:10:49,879 --> 03:10:51,959
and nine ninety five, and on none of them does

3629
03:10:52,200 --> 03:10:58,559
Diesel work Sid. I see Sid working through December of

3630
03:10:58,639 --> 03:11:02,079
that year with it You with Jeannetti and a Razor

3631
03:11:02,479 --> 03:11:08,559
and Company. But I don't see him working diesel anywhere

3632
03:11:08,600 --> 03:11:11,440
near the tail end. So this career ending injury that

3633
03:11:11,479 --> 03:11:14,479
apparently suffers during the course of this diesel match does

3634
03:11:14,520 --> 03:11:16,879
still allow him to work for months and months and

3635
03:11:16,959 --> 03:11:20,040
months on the House show. On the House House Show circuit,

3636
03:11:20,079 --> 03:11:22,319
he kind of couches it as something that like he

3637
03:11:23,120 --> 03:11:24,920
that happened to him, but he doesn't get it looked

3638
03:11:24,920 --> 03:11:27,719
at until much later when it when it gets aggravated,

3639
03:11:28,120 --> 03:11:33,159
or probably more accurately, when he gets aggravated. He hasn't

3640
03:11:33,159 --> 03:11:36,000
looked at a little more closely, perhaps, but yeah, this

3641
03:11:36,040 --> 03:11:39,440
apparently happens against Diesel on a house show. And I'm

3642
03:11:39,479 --> 03:11:42,399
trying to tall go back to when the last time

3643
03:11:43,680 --> 03:11:45,319
these two would have met in a house show, and

3644
03:11:45,399 --> 03:11:47,520
I'm all the way back in October, and he's still

3645
03:11:47,639 --> 03:11:53,200
not wrestling h He's still not wrestling Diesel anymore. Sid

3646
03:11:53,319 --> 03:11:57,719
and Razors as far back as what is this October?

3647
03:11:58,600 --> 03:12:01,399
The Henry Godwin programs to show up here a little bit.

3648
03:12:01,600 --> 03:12:03,520
Bam Bam. He wrestled a lot in ninety five. He

3649
03:12:03,559 --> 03:12:06,639
had great respect for Bam Bam Bigelow. Interestingly, when he

3650
03:12:06,719 --> 03:12:07,959
was asked who some of the best guys that I

3651
03:12:08,159 --> 03:12:09,600
worked with were, he always said Bam Bam.

3652
03:12:09,719 --> 03:12:09,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3653
03:12:10,639 --> 03:12:13,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, he just thought Bam Bam was. It was really

3654
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:16,520
terrific in the ring, working Razor a lot. We're now

3655
03:12:16,559 --> 03:12:21,440
in September, still not working. So this is Razor beats

3656
03:12:21,479 --> 03:12:25,520
Sean at WrestleMania, right, Razor beat does Sewn win the

3657
03:12:25,559 --> 03:12:28,799
second match at Summers win Sean win the second ladder match?

3658
03:12:28,959 --> 03:12:31,959
Yeah he does. Okay, So Razor then comes back and

3659
03:12:32,000 --> 03:12:35,079
works Sid, probably because Shawn was supposed to work SID,

3660
03:12:35,159 --> 03:12:40,360
but because Sean wins Uh Sean Versid in September in Quebec,

3661
03:12:41,239 --> 03:12:44,959
heres Sean Versid in September in Montreal as Intercontinental Champs.

3662
03:12:44,959 --> 03:12:46,600
So they did have a run on the house show

3663
03:12:46,639 --> 03:12:49,360
circut together after summer Slanmwich, I don't think I really

3664
03:12:49,440 --> 03:12:53,280
knew that interesting Vega. He's working Savio Vega. That's got

3665
03:12:53,319 --> 03:12:56,760
to piss him off. He's working Brett. See, I don't

3666
03:12:56,799 --> 03:12:57,799
see him working Diesel.

3667
03:12:58,520 --> 03:13:03,079
Speaker 3: I mean after after July ninety five, why would he?

3668
03:13:05,200 --> 03:13:07,280
Speaker 8: Well, sometimes you know, just because it's a house show,

3669
03:13:08,239 --> 03:13:10,200
because the pay per view main events get like kind

3670
03:13:10,239 --> 03:13:12,319
of recycled for much longer on the house shows than

3671
03:13:12,360 --> 03:13:15,399
they are active issues on TV, would be my guest.

3672
03:13:15,440 --> 03:13:19,360
But he got bumped down to Razor much earlier than

3673
03:13:19,399 --> 03:13:24,559
I remember. Diesel, and Michael's beating irs subbing for Sin

3674
03:13:24,639 --> 03:13:27,799
and Tatanka. We're almost there. A lot of subbing for

3675
03:13:27,879 --> 03:13:30,000
SID in July. So maybe maybe he got her around

3676
03:13:30,040 --> 03:13:35,079
there and took some took some matches off. I guess

3677
03:13:35,159 --> 03:13:39,920
that would be okay. Steel Cage, Louisville, July twenty fourth,

3678
03:13:40,079 --> 03:13:45,319
nineteen ninety five, forty attendance Diesel pins sid with DiBiase

3679
03:13:45,399 --> 03:13:49,840
in a steel cage. I'm gonna say it's that one Louisville,

3680
03:13:49,959 --> 03:13:53,239
not Indianapolis, coming off the second in your house, which

3681
03:13:53,280 --> 03:13:58,280
had been in Nashville the night before. And then they rematched.

3682
03:13:58,639 --> 03:13:58,840
Speaker 3: Yep.

3683
03:14:00,040 --> 03:14:03,079
Speaker 8: So here's that pop in his neck. And eventually you

3684
03:14:03,159 --> 03:14:06,879
know he's as he said. You know he's in the gym.

3685
03:14:07,040 --> 03:14:10,520
He's lifting weights with Bob Holly and notices he can't

3686
03:14:11,360 --> 03:14:16,520
can't lift the weight like he usually does, and Bob Holly,

3687
03:14:17,959 --> 03:14:27,200
what about it? Bob. Right in the middle of it

3688
03:14:27,239 --> 03:14:30,440
all was Sean. He was the ringleader. He dictated everything

3689
03:14:30,479 --> 03:14:33,479
that was going on. He'd go out partying every night, drinking,

3690
03:14:33,639 --> 03:14:35,920
taking drugs, getting in fights. He'd show up the next

3691
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:38,319
day hungover as hell, but still work like crazy. He

3692
03:14:38,440 --> 03:14:40,399
never screwed anything up. Whatever mind said he was in,

3693
03:14:40,520 --> 03:14:41,840
he still went out there and put on the best

3694
03:14:41,879 --> 03:14:43,879
match of the night. He was a machine. Not a

3695
03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:46,159
great ambassador for the company though, and not a great

3696
03:14:46,200 --> 03:14:49,120
influence backstage. The clique just kept on fucking with people

3697
03:14:49,319 --> 03:14:51,559
and wanting to work only with each other, hugging all

3698
03:14:51,600 --> 03:14:53,600
the money. Anybody who looked like he could get over

3699
03:14:53,680 --> 03:14:55,799
and make some money was put in his place. The

3700
03:14:55,879 --> 03:14:59,600
prime example of that was Sid Beauty. Kevin and Sean

3701
03:14:59,639 --> 03:15:02,200
didn't like him. Sid is misunderstood. He's very humorous in

3702
03:15:02,239 --> 03:15:04,239
a sarcastic way, and people take it wrong. He was

3703
03:15:04,239 --> 03:15:05,280
always very good to me.

3704
03:15:06,440 --> 03:15:09,479
Speaker 3: That makes him look like an idiot right in the

3705
03:15:09,479 --> 03:15:12,159
way that makes us laugh out of him, exactly like Bob.

3706
03:15:13,799 --> 03:15:15,799
Speaker 8: When we traveled together. He knew I wasn't making a lot,

3707
03:15:15,879 --> 03:15:17,680
so he paid for our rental car, the hotel, a

3708
03:15:17,719 --> 03:15:19,719
lot of my meals. I wouldn't have made it without him.

3709
03:15:19,840 --> 03:15:21,520
I owe him a lot. I think I helped him

3710
03:15:21,520 --> 03:15:23,719
out a lot too by keeping him insane. Sid wasn't

3711
03:15:23,760 --> 03:15:25,319
a good worker, but he cut a great promo and

3712
03:15:25,399 --> 03:15:27,159
he had a great look. He was over huged, so

3713
03:15:27,239 --> 03:15:28,920
of course Vince was going to use him a draw.

3714
03:15:29,159 --> 03:15:30,959
I guess. Kevin and Sean didn't like the thought of

3715
03:15:31,040 --> 03:15:33,040
someone else getting a piece of the action, so they

3716
03:15:33,079 --> 03:15:36,120
stepped in. Nash especially felt threatened by him because they

3717
03:15:36,159 --> 03:15:38,120
were both big men, but Sid was over and Nash

3718
03:15:38,280 --> 03:15:40,799
just hadn't worked out as champion. They butted heads a

3719
03:15:40,879 --> 03:15:43,159
lot when they were going over matches. Sid was set

3720
03:15:43,239 --> 03:15:45,399
in his ways and wasn't about to back down to anybody.

3721
03:15:45,559 --> 03:15:47,799
He wouldn't let upper management toward the other boys, push

3722
03:15:47,879 --> 03:15:50,239
him around or abuse his character. After the click push

3723
03:15:50,280 --> 03:15:52,319
Sid out of the main event picture, they kept sticking

3724
03:15:52,360 --> 03:15:54,319
it to him. I guess to prove a point or something.

3725
03:15:54,600 --> 03:15:56,719
In January next ninety six, they pushed it too far.

3726
03:15:57,040 --> 03:15:59,000
He and I traveled to the arena together. Sid came

3727
03:15:59,079 --> 03:16:00,719
up to me. A while after we'd arrived and said,

3728
03:16:00,719 --> 03:16:03,120
how do you want to beat me? You're fucking with me, right,

3729
03:16:03,239 --> 03:16:06,200
I replied no. He said, we're wrestling tonight and they

3730
03:16:06,239 --> 03:16:08,239
want you over. I asked him if he was mad

3731
03:16:08,319 --> 03:16:10,520
at me. Fuck no, he said, it's them, They're fucking

3732
03:16:10,559 --> 03:16:14,760
with me. Fuck this place. I'm done after tonight. I

3733
03:16:14,920 --> 03:16:17,719
wasn't offered. I wasn't offended that he was mad at

3734
03:16:17,760 --> 03:16:19,719
having to lose to me. It was an insult to him.

3735
03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:22,159
Here you have me, who loses to everyone all the time,

3736
03:16:22,440 --> 03:16:24,360
and there you have Sid, this big monster, and you

3737
03:16:24,399 --> 03:16:26,840
had to put me over clean. I was very uncomfortable.

3738
03:16:27,000 --> 03:16:29,959
He was pitching an absolute fit backstage and I was

3739
03:16:30,040 --> 03:16:31,840
caught in the middle of it. We did the match

3740
03:16:31,840 --> 03:16:33,799
and it was fine. I won with a crossbody off

3741
03:16:33,840 --> 03:16:35,600
the top or something like that. The whole time we

3742
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:37,360
were out there, though. I felt so bad for him.

3743
03:16:37,479 --> 03:16:39,920
It wasn't right what Kevin and Sean were doing to him.

3744
03:16:40,079 --> 03:16:42,159
But what could I do. I did what I was told,

3745
03:16:42,280 --> 03:16:45,440
or I found another job. It was as simple as that. Afterwards,

3746
03:16:45,559 --> 03:16:48,840
Sid came backstage and was selling that he got injured.

3747
03:16:49,399 --> 03:16:55,239
He said he hurt his neck. He was yes, he

3748
03:16:55,399 --> 03:17:02,079
was lying about that, since since we had been traveling together,

3749
03:17:02,159 --> 03:17:04,040
I knew the truth. He just didn't want to deal

3750
03:17:04,120 --> 03:17:06,840
with all the politics anymore, so he left. Long before

3751
03:17:07,079 --> 03:17:12,440
rustle Mania that year. Sid was gone so much of

3752
03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:17,840
that neck injury poutraw Man. Does I'm here to say

3753
03:17:17,920 --> 03:17:19,079
I believe Bob Holly.

3754
03:17:19,680 --> 03:17:19,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3755
03:17:20,719 --> 03:17:23,319
Speaker 8: I almost always believe Bob everybody.

3756
03:17:23,440 --> 03:17:27,319
Speaker 3: I I agree with Bob Holly on this one.

3757
03:17:29,520 --> 03:17:35,559
Speaker 8: Do you think Sid was playing up the symptoms because

3758
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:38,159
he was so sick of being Yeah, I mean losing

3759
03:17:38,200 --> 03:17:40,600
to Bob Holly with all due respect, but you know,

3760
03:17:40,680 --> 03:17:42,959
Holly ended up fitting into that Bruno position where it's

3761
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:46,200
like Sid will make very good friends with you if

3762
03:17:46,319 --> 03:17:49,440
you can be someone that can get him around the

3763
03:17:49,520 --> 03:17:54,159
towns and be his shoulder to not so much cry on,

3764
03:17:54,399 --> 03:17:56,239
but be someone to be a sounding board for his

3765
03:17:56,319 --> 03:17:59,879
bitch vests. I mean, just think of the way like

3766
03:18:00,079 --> 03:18:03,239
he he ordered around Bruno there at the end of

3767
03:18:03,280 --> 03:18:07,200
that first WWF frunt. It's like a gopher times twelve,

3768
03:18:07,319 --> 03:18:10,120
like note you're quitting to we're going to the airport,

3769
03:18:10,239 --> 03:18:12,559
you're leaving. This is the end of the road for you.

3770
03:18:13,600 --> 03:18:16,920
And Bob became somebody else that Sid kind of went

3771
03:18:16,959 --> 03:18:19,920
around with, and yeah, you know, showed some some kindness

3772
03:18:19,959 --> 03:18:23,559
to not unlike you know, Harlem Heat, but it was

3773
03:18:23,680 --> 03:18:26,239
kind of a it was kind of a loose alliance

3774
03:18:26,280 --> 03:18:29,120
and a necessary I think probably like a necessary friendship

3775
03:18:29,159 --> 03:18:31,680
for the road, A relationship of convenience, is really what

3776
03:18:31,719 --> 03:18:35,159
I'm trying to say. But even though Sid has been

3777
03:18:35,239 --> 03:18:37,319
cut loose here from the World Wrestling Federation at the

3778
03:18:37,360 --> 03:18:39,879
end of nineteen ninety five into the beginning of nineteen

3779
03:18:39,920 --> 03:18:44,000
ninety six, it doesn't as to hear Sid put it okay,

3780
03:18:44,159 --> 03:18:47,319
that doesn't necessarily mean the checks stop flowing, Boss. This

3781
03:18:48,040 --> 03:18:50,200
is one of the bigger doozies you'll hear from Sid

3782
03:18:50,959 --> 03:18:53,000
as we describe his life in times. Just give me

3783
03:18:53,040 --> 03:18:55,879
a moment here and we'll we'll soon be telling you

3784
03:18:56,000 --> 03:19:00,440
from a Sean Muoney interview how he managed to somehow

3785
03:19:00,520 --> 03:19:02,559
keep the checks flowing without even showing up.

3786
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:04,040
Speaker 3: That's it.

3787
03:19:04,680 --> 03:19:06,719
Speaker 10: Well, no, this this is what I'm saying. Sean, You're

3788
03:19:06,719 --> 03:19:11,559
not understanding. And WWF you were you rely everything on

3789
03:19:11,639 --> 03:19:15,399
how Showgate. But even then, Sean, when you were gone,

3790
03:19:16,319 --> 03:19:19,440
WWS could not pay the boys. How the boys got

3791
03:19:19,479 --> 03:19:21,520
paid were they was going the road to take a

3792
03:19:21,639 --> 03:19:24,040
draw and then they take that money home and put

3793
03:19:24,079 --> 03:19:25,799
it in their bank accounts where they could get back

3794
03:19:25,879 --> 03:19:29,079
on the road the next tour. I never knew it.

3795
03:19:29,280 --> 03:19:30,959
I mean you you might not get a check for

3796
03:19:30,959 --> 03:19:34,000
a three, four or five weeks at WWS at the time.

3797
03:19:34,360 --> 03:19:37,360
So when that happened, I told JJ Dillon, I said,

3798
03:19:37,440 --> 03:19:40,719
this is the deal, and they knew that I was serious.

3799
03:19:41,079 --> 03:19:42,799
I said, if I don't get at least one thousand

3800
03:19:42,879 --> 03:19:45,239
dollars a week, I'm not coming back on the road.

3801
03:19:46,040 --> 03:19:48,280
So they did that. So then when I took that

3802
03:19:48,399 --> 03:19:51,639
time off of my next thing, you know, Payroad forgot

3803
03:19:52,239 --> 03:19:55,280
someone didn't tell Payrod to start paying me for a year.

3804
03:19:55,360 --> 03:19:57,200
This is me a thousand dollars a week. Now I've

3805
03:19:57,239 --> 03:20:01,040
got a job, you know, making about same. So I

3806
03:20:01,159 --> 03:20:04,399
was living a really good lifestyle. So I'm sitting there

3807
03:20:04,399 --> 03:20:07,200
at me and my wife's go to this it's called

3808
03:20:07,280 --> 03:20:11,239
Bloomfest in Greenville, Mississippi, where it's all farmers and stuff

3809
03:20:11,280 --> 03:20:13,680
like that. And that's again here it is. It's great

3810
03:20:13,719 --> 03:20:15,479
for me because I was a farmer one time, said

3811
03:20:15,520 --> 03:20:18,559
I'm going back to my childhood stuff. So all of

3812
03:20:18,600 --> 03:20:22,920
a sudden, I get home that Saturday and the housekeeper says, man,

3813
03:20:23,000 --> 03:20:26,120
some kind of invincive. Man's called at least fifty times today.

3814
03:20:26,440 --> 03:20:29,440
Oh my god, I'm thinking he's.

3815
03:20:30,639 --> 03:20:31,799
Speaker 15: He wants his running back.

3816
03:20:32,559 --> 03:20:36,120
Speaker 10: I really thought that, right, So I said, whatever it is,

3817
03:20:36,319 --> 03:20:40,600
don't answer the phone. So this is before colorad D Right,

3818
03:20:41,040 --> 03:20:43,239
So I'm talking to somebody in the phone beeps and

3819
03:20:43,280 --> 03:20:45,319
I'm thinking, you know, I don't know what I was

3820
03:20:45,360 --> 03:20:47,760
fucking thinking. So I hit it in his fence. He

3821
03:20:47,799 --> 03:20:52,000
goes said, oh shit, yeah, Advance, how's it going, buddy?

3822
03:20:52,280 --> 03:20:56,520
He goes, well, listen, look, I've got a problem. I

3823
03:20:56,559 --> 03:20:58,280
had to fillow the warror again and I need someone

3824
03:20:58,319 --> 03:21:00,440
to take his place. And I think the first show

3825
03:21:00,600 --> 03:21:08,120
was Detroit or something, and Boston was Baltimore. He said,

3826
03:21:08,120 --> 03:21:10,079
I got somebody take the place. I said, this. I

3827
03:21:10,120 --> 03:21:12,479
hadn't been on TD for a year. Tinki, think of

3828
03:21:12,600 --> 03:21:15,879
someone else. He goes, no, sit, I need star power.

3829
03:21:15,959 --> 03:21:18,559
There I'm thinking, well, I was on the whipping post

3830
03:21:18,600 --> 03:21:22,479
before that. You know, surely got somebody has more star

3831
03:21:22,639 --> 03:21:24,920
power than me. He goes, no, I need you. And

3832
03:21:25,040 --> 03:21:27,360
literally what I had to do is grab my stuff.

3833
03:21:28,120 --> 03:21:31,079
They picked me up at the airport and I got

3834
03:21:31,200 --> 03:21:34,520
dressed on the way to the arena. Okay, I'll think

3835
03:21:34,600 --> 03:21:36,040
he'll say, this is it. I want to hear any

3836
03:21:36,079 --> 03:21:38,239
more serious. I said, if I don't get at least

3837
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:40,799
a thousand dollars a week, I'm not coming back on

3838
03:21:40,879 --> 03:21:43,879
the road. So they did that. So then when I

3839
03:21:43,959 --> 03:21:46,440
took that time off of my neck thing, you know,

3840
03:21:46,719 --> 03:21:50,079
payroad forgot someone didn't tell Pyro to start paying me.

3841
03:21:50,600 --> 03:21:52,520
So for a year, this is me a thousand dollars

3842
03:21:52,520 --> 03:21:55,280
a week. Now I've got a job, you know, making

3843
03:21:55,600 --> 03:21:58,559
about the same. So I was living a really good lifestyle.

3844
03:22:00,040 --> 03:22:04,360
Speaker 8: So he's just getting my money. He jumped way ahead

3845
03:22:04,360 --> 03:22:06,639
to the warrior thing and then it restarted kind of state.

3846
03:22:08,639 --> 03:22:14,200
Speaker 3: It's very confusing, but okay, all right, he's getting He

3847
03:22:14,280 --> 03:22:17,719
says he had a thousand dollars a week they forgot.

3848
03:22:18,399 --> 03:22:22,200
Speaker 8: He said that they basically agreed to pay him guaranteed.

3849
03:22:23,040 --> 03:22:24,520
You know, he's saying there, like I'm not going to

3850
03:22:24,559 --> 03:22:26,319
come back unless I actually can know how much I

3851
03:22:26,360 --> 03:22:29,040
get my bank account, not this bullshit of like I

3852
03:22:29,120 --> 03:22:31,719
get the draw on the road and so I can

3853
03:22:31,799 --> 03:22:34,840
kind of cobble together a regular income by you know,

3854
03:22:34,959 --> 03:22:37,200
going up to the agent at the house show and

3855
03:22:37,520 --> 03:22:39,680
you know, putting my hands together. So yes, sir, can

3856
03:22:39,719 --> 03:22:42,600
I please have my money in advance instead of when

3857
03:22:42,600 --> 03:22:45,239
you pay me quarterly or whatever the cadence was. So

3858
03:22:45,440 --> 03:22:47,559
to him, it's sort of like a regular check he's getting,

3859
03:22:47,559 --> 03:22:48,920
and it sounds like it's a kind of a special

3860
03:22:48,959 --> 03:22:51,600
deal he worked out with. Of course, he mentioned JJ Dillon,

3861
03:22:51,639 --> 03:22:53,719
who before Jim Ross was head of talent relations there.

3862
03:22:54,200 --> 03:22:56,239
And so the way he's telling it is that they,

3863
03:22:56,360 --> 03:22:58,319
even though he stopped going to the shows and their

3864
03:22:58,360 --> 03:23:00,520
four pros contract, should not be getting paid because you

3865
03:23:00,559 --> 03:23:03,120
get paid on the house. They keep sending him those

3866
03:23:03,120 --> 03:23:05,760
one thousand dollars checks because he had this this special

3867
03:23:05,840 --> 03:23:11,760
dispensation that they apparently didn't know to stop. So who

3868
03:23:11,840 --> 03:23:13,799
knows he's getting. He's getting all kinds of money he's

3869
03:23:13,799 --> 03:23:16,239
not saying a word about it, despite is he referenced there?

3870
03:23:16,319 --> 03:23:17,920
Moving on, and we'll talk about what he moved on

3871
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:20,879
to in just a second, to a different job after

3872
03:23:21,159 --> 03:23:24,159
stepping away due to this career ending neck injury that

3873
03:23:25,280 --> 03:23:27,520
he continued to wrestle on and was more than ready

3874
03:23:27,600 --> 03:23:31,000
to come back for the next summer. So this is

3875
03:23:31,280 --> 03:23:35,000
this is what it means to be SID. So what

3876
03:23:35,079 --> 03:23:35,399
does he do?

3877
03:23:36,920 --> 03:23:37,399
Speaker 3: What does he do?

3878
03:23:38,520 --> 03:23:38,559
Speaker 23: What?

3879
03:23:39,399 --> 03:23:41,040
Speaker 8: It's time for the next chapter. I mean, you've got

3880
03:23:41,079 --> 03:23:47,239
two doctors, boss telling you you should never wrestle again. Okay, no, No,

3881
03:23:47,360 --> 03:23:51,159
that would be in nineteen ninety nine. Now this would

3882
03:23:51,239 --> 03:23:58,360
be custom Chemisine, custom chemicine.

3883
03:23:58,399 --> 03:23:58,440
Speaker 2: What.

3884
03:24:01,639 --> 03:24:04,520
Speaker 8: He's a farm boy. He knows what it takes to

3885
03:24:04,639 --> 03:24:10,680
keep crops protected and preserved. He's got the Mississippi Alabama Corridor,

3886
03:24:10,879 --> 03:24:15,760
the Arkansas Corridor unlock. Sid leaves the WWF in nineteen

3887
03:24:15,799 --> 03:24:18,680
ninety five on the aforementioned neck problems and goes to

3888
03:24:18,799 --> 03:24:22,440
work as a salesperson for a company that sells shit

3889
03:24:22,520 --> 03:24:26,319
you put on plants so that i'd spoil. He is

3890
03:24:26,360 --> 03:24:29,159
an ag rep AGG being short for Agriculture rep out

3891
03:24:29,200 --> 03:24:33,479
of Fresno, California. The company was called Custom Chemicides, and

3892
03:24:33,639 --> 03:24:35,440
he was the rep for the whole state of Mississippi

3893
03:24:35,479 --> 03:24:38,200
and Alabama making good money. To hear him tell it,

3894
03:24:38,520 --> 03:24:40,079
he had to take some classes. He went out to

3895
03:24:40,079 --> 03:24:43,559
California to take those classes and got into the whole business.

3896
03:24:44,079 --> 03:24:46,040
And he had a background because he farmed a long

3897
03:24:46,120 --> 03:24:48,399
time before he ever got into a professional wrestling, so

3898
03:24:48,520 --> 03:24:51,120
he had some knowledge to work off of. And he

3899
03:24:51,200 --> 03:24:54,159
gets into the chemical treating business and he got, as

3900
03:24:54,200 --> 03:24:56,120
he put it, a real job doing that for what

3901
03:24:56,440 --> 03:24:59,920
six seven eight months? And if you want to know

3902
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:03,280
about Custom Chemisicides, boss as, I'm sure the Solar system does.

3903
03:25:03,959 --> 03:25:06,760
What is this company that Sid goes to work for

3904
03:25:07,000 --> 03:25:11,040
in between WWF runs when he's pretending that his life

3905
03:25:11,120 --> 03:25:15,719
is in a series of going back to wrestlings. Let's

3906
03:25:15,760 --> 03:25:19,040
read a quick letter to almond growers that was published

3907
03:25:19,040 --> 03:25:21,799
in the California newspaper right around the time that Sid

3908
03:25:21,879 --> 03:25:25,239
would have been knocking on their door for a job interview.

3909
03:25:25,319 --> 03:25:28,399
This is authored by Don Kemer, who's listed as the

3910
03:25:28,440 --> 03:25:31,440
president of the firm Custom Chemicides. And this is just

3911
03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:35,159
a little example of the public facing material. And we'll

3912
03:25:35,200 --> 03:25:37,159
have more for you that Custom Chemicides was putting.

3913
03:25:37,200 --> 03:25:39,440
Speaker 3: The radio and TV ads can go a long way

3914
03:25:39,600 --> 03:25:41,639
toward making the public aware of a product. But if

3915
03:25:41,680 --> 03:25:45,559
you are like I am, the experience of a friend

3916
03:25:45,600 --> 03:25:47,840
or neighbor is important and it will usually make a

3917
03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:51,159
difference to me. For nearly ten years now, I have

3918
03:25:51,239 --> 03:25:55,680
been applying Beeline to our almond orchards during bloom. I'm

3919
03:25:55,760 --> 03:25:59,000
convinced this has helped maintain the bees in the target

3920
03:25:59,040 --> 03:26:01,440
area for a longer period, and it has contributed to

3921
03:26:01,600 --> 03:26:06,600
our consistently good heels. Tell us at our office if

3922
03:26:06,600 --> 03:26:13,399
you'd like to know more about bee Line, B Line.

3923
03:26:13,239 --> 03:26:19,239
Speaker 8: B Line, Well sid is making a beeline for a

3924
03:26:20,719 --> 03:26:25,239
new industry, a new specialty. As far as I could tell,

3925
03:26:25,479 --> 03:26:29,040
the big innovation that Custom Chemicides around this time in

3926
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:32,000
the mid nineties was bringing to market and was probably

3927
03:26:32,079 --> 03:26:36,120
on a hiring spree to propagate, was a product they created,

3928
03:26:36,239 --> 03:26:39,719
not called Beeline, but called frost Guard. And what frost

3929
03:26:39,760 --> 03:26:43,719
Guard would do is fight the frost that comes in

3930
03:26:43,840 --> 03:26:46,639
the colder months that can destroy crops, keep the frost

3931
03:26:46,680 --> 03:26:49,760
at bay so that you can much greater a model product.

3932
03:26:51,559 --> 03:26:55,479
Here's an article that appeared featuring Jeff Kemmer from Custom

3933
03:26:55,520 --> 03:27:00,200
chemicide to the guy who who hired Sid ba real

3934
03:27:00,319 --> 03:27:04,479
ice nucleation inhibitors and activate the ice nucleus associated with

3935
03:27:04,680 --> 03:27:10,719
ice nucleation active bacteria without necessarily killing bacterial cells, necessarily

3936
03:27:10,799 --> 03:27:14,719
killing them, sometimes killing them. This process is like putting

3937
03:27:14,719 --> 03:27:17,280
the bad bacteria in a state of suspended animation so

3938
03:27:17,360 --> 03:27:20,920
they do not perform the ice formation function. Kemera's firm

3939
03:27:21,000 --> 03:27:24,680
markets frost Guard, a frost inhibitor mentioned in the third category,

3940
03:27:24,920 --> 03:27:28,440
under the name custom Chemicides. The product was developed locally

3941
03:27:28,520 --> 03:27:31,479
by chemist Evor Burden, who sold Custom Chemicides and the

3942
03:27:31,559 --> 03:27:34,520
chemical to Kimmer in nineteen eighty three. They expect to

3943
03:27:34,520 --> 03:27:36,680
get their patent from the US government within the week.

3944
03:27:37,040 --> 03:27:42,079
This is not what's that happened? This is not a

3945
03:27:42,200 --> 03:27:46,079
magic juice, said Kemera. Well, it's not interested anymore juice.

3946
03:27:48,280 --> 03:27:51,440
Speaker 3: Well Sid, oh, Sid, what's your juice?

3947
03:27:51,479 --> 03:27:51,719
Speaker 2: Brother?

3948
03:27:51,920 --> 03:27:55,040
Speaker 8: It's all Hogan, brother, all gizzy. I heard you're working

3949
03:27:55,120 --> 03:27:56,239
on anti frost.

3950
03:27:56,360 --> 03:27:56,600
Speaker 22: Brother.

3951
03:27:58,319 --> 03:28:00,280
Speaker 8: I always knew you were a heat magnet, dude, but

3952
03:28:00,360 --> 03:28:00,639
this is.

3953
03:28:00,680 --> 03:28:01,639
Speaker 3: Taking a little too far.

3954
03:28:01,799 --> 03:28:02,000
Speaker 26: Brother.

3955
03:28:02,399 --> 03:28:02,840
Speaker 3: What's going on?

3956
03:28:03,040 --> 03:28:03,280
Speaker 5: Dude?

3957
03:28:05,479 --> 03:28:07,520
Speaker 8: You're gonna fight the frost and my oranges? Dude to

3958
03:28:07,600 --> 03:28:09,559
my grove that I got down here on this eighth

3959
03:28:09,559 --> 03:28:13,000
fy twelve, brother, and these bag glides? Dude, did you

3960
03:28:13,959 --> 03:28:14,879
you're gonna fight Frost?

3961
03:28:14,959 --> 03:28:15,159
Speaker 11: Brother?

3962
03:28:15,200 --> 03:28:15,760
Speaker 3: Are you gonna fight?

3963
03:28:16,040 --> 03:28:19,959
Speaker 8: I don't know, Hulk cloaging, Wait a minute, when you

3964
03:28:20,360 --> 03:28:22,200
I just got a few questions about this business. You're

3965
03:28:22,200 --> 03:28:26,559
in business, brother, We worked together for years and you

3966
03:28:26,680 --> 03:28:32,440
you read SID has done no outreach.

3967
03:28:32,559 --> 03:28:32,719
Speaker 3: All.

3968
03:28:33,440 --> 03:28:36,760
Speaker 8: There's no reason that Hulk should think Sid going into

3969
03:28:36,840 --> 03:28:39,280
the private sector. Let's say, is any of his business.

3970
03:28:39,719 --> 03:28:41,959
But he calls sit up and he grills him on

3971
03:28:42,079 --> 03:28:42,840
this John.

3972
03:28:43,879 --> 03:28:47,520
Speaker 3: Watch you like, take me stepping the dude? What's the

3973
03:28:47,600 --> 03:28:52,559
new biz? Where are you at? Brother? Right? Right? You know,

3974
03:28:52,719 --> 03:28:54,200
all of a sudden, I hear Big in the a.

3975
03:28:55,360 --> 03:28:57,680
I hear you know, Big Sizz is doing a lot

3976
03:28:57,760 --> 03:29:00,399
more than you're selling wrestling moves. Dude, he's selling ad space.

3977
03:29:00,479 --> 03:29:00,719
Speaker 2: Brother.

3978
03:29:02,760 --> 03:29:05,760
Speaker 8: Right, let me ask you a question, brother, Are you

3979
03:29:05,840 --> 03:29:06,959
working aghol So?

3980
03:29:07,040 --> 03:29:09,760
Speaker 3: Do I understand that you're you're in the agricultural business, dude,

3981
03:29:10,120 --> 03:29:16,239
So does that mean you're working agricultural hall or agricultural nash?

3982
03:29:18,520 --> 03:29:23,840
Speaker 8: I mean, do you think, I mean, do you really

3983
03:29:23,879 --> 03:29:25,360
think I'm the only one that would notice?

3984
03:29:25,399 --> 03:29:30,360
Speaker 3: Brother? All of a sudden, I hear all of a sudden,

3985
03:29:30,360 --> 03:29:35,200
I hear cultural business. Dude. I'm like stroking the stash. Brother,

3986
03:29:35,319 --> 03:29:38,920
I'm wondering, Wade you work on agriculture? Dude? You were

3987
03:29:38,959 --> 03:29:49,280
an Allentown brother? Is he taking TV in Allentown's.

3988
03:29:46,159 --> 03:29:47,479
Speaker 8: Going to Ringer's Roost for dinner?

3989
03:29:47,559 --> 03:29:48,840
Speaker 3: Brother? Watching the Nasty?

3990
03:29:50,479 --> 03:29:55,440
Speaker 8: There's no, there's no Dellan is Nasty? Is sas sister?

3991
03:29:56,440 --> 03:29:56,639
Speaker 3: Sister?

3992
03:29:56,760 --> 03:29:56,959
Speaker 5: Dude?

3993
03:29:57,959 --> 03:29:58,600
Speaker 3: Is that where we're at?

3994
03:29:58,719 --> 03:29:58,920
Speaker 15: Brother?

3995
03:30:01,040 --> 03:30:02,959
Speaker 8: Did she work at the George Washington motor Lauge?

3996
03:30:04,399 --> 03:30:07,000
Speaker 3: How you got in with aghol M?

3997
03:30:11,520 --> 03:30:14,680
Speaker 8: He goes to work for an a chemical company called

3998
03:30:14,840 --> 03:30:18,319
Custom Chemicides, and Holt's turn around is tell me how

3999
03:30:18,360 --> 03:30:20,959
you got in with agg Hall? Like, why would you

4000
03:30:21,040 --> 03:30:23,280
be in conversation with the building and you're trying to

4001
03:30:23,319 --> 03:30:29,959
set up a position, like you're talking to Bruno. You're

4002
03:30:29,959 --> 03:30:32,360
trying to start to get another office going.

4003
03:30:33,200 --> 03:30:34,360
Speaker 3: Are you doing a run with Bruno?

4004
03:30:38,440 --> 03:30:40,520
Speaker 8: He thinks if he says what's going to happen, he

4005
03:30:40,680 --> 03:30:43,159
just keeps guessing because he thinks that if he lands

4006
03:30:43,200 --> 03:30:44,959
on what's actually gonna happen, then he'll get a little

4007
03:30:45,000 --> 03:30:52,159
tell out of it, and you know he'll give it away. Somehow, yep, doing.

4008
03:30:53,639 --> 03:30:53,920
Speaker 3: Going to be.

4009
03:30:55,680 --> 03:30:58,559
Speaker 8: I mean, like I saw you were the state state

4010
03:30:58,600 --> 03:31:01,319
agg wrap all of a sudden for Mississippi and Alabama's

4011
03:31:01,319 --> 03:31:03,120
pretty close to Florida. Dude, what's the next.

4012
03:31:03,000 --> 03:31:05,600
Speaker 3: Step talking people about beating Hulk Hogan becoming hulkch sp

4013
03:31:05,799 --> 03:31:06,559
are you Hulk Hogan?

4014
03:31:08,680 --> 03:31:11,959
Speaker 8: Is it any I know one? I know one point.

4015
03:31:12,079 --> 03:31:14,559
Vince promised you that, Brother, it's not an amusable question.

4016
03:31:15,120 --> 03:31:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm just trying to get all my eggs in

4017
03:31:16,440 --> 03:31:17,239
a row, brother.

4018
03:31:18,959 --> 03:31:20,520
Speaker 8: Because I got a lot going on here, said so

4019
03:31:20,559 --> 03:31:21,959
I need to make sure I got a pretty clear

4020
03:31:22,040 --> 03:31:25,399
path on what the next eighteen brother, And I got

4021
03:31:25,440 --> 03:31:26,879
this sid thing hanging out here.

4022
03:31:26,879 --> 03:31:29,360
Speaker 3: The year is planning the next year and a half, brother.

4023
03:31:31,040 --> 03:31:36,399
Speaker 8: Right, And I'm looking at this business you're in all

4024
03:31:36,399 --> 03:31:38,360
of a sudden, Brother, and it's it seems to me

4025
03:31:38,559 --> 03:31:40,559
it's tall Hogan to be situated at all like the

4026
03:31:40,600 --> 03:31:41,280
old territories?

4027
03:31:41,319 --> 03:31:44,520
Speaker 3: Brother? What it is?

4028
03:31:44,680 --> 03:31:47,799
Speaker 8: Brother's running Alabama and Mississippi all of a sudden, Who's

4029
03:31:48,239 --> 03:31:50,200
who's running Florida's where my mind goes to.

4030
03:31:50,280 --> 03:31:53,120
Speaker 3: Brother, where is it going now? And what does that

4031
03:31:53,280 --> 03:31:54,360
mean for Hulk Hogan?

4032
03:32:02,159 --> 03:32:04,920
Speaker 8: What episode was it when Hulk Hogan had a complete

4033
03:32:04,959 --> 03:32:07,159
tail spin about someone getting a job outside of the

4034
03:32:07,159 --> 03:32:12,680
wrestling business. Oh yeah, the Sid tribute. This is not

4035
03:32:13,040 --> 03:32:16,000
a magic juice, said KEMERA. It's strictly a tool to

4036
03:32:16,040 --> 03:32:20,399
be used along with good cultural practices. Camera stressed the

4037
03:32:20,440 --> 03:32:24,600
importance of plants being healthy and free of insect, heavy

4038
03:32:24,639 --> 03:32:28,959
insect pressure or disease. So frost guard brought to you

4039
03:32:29,120 --> 03:32:35,200
by uh well, a accustomed chemicide spokesperson. Near you a

4040
03:32:35,280 --> 03:32:39,879
crop that, normally, one article reads about the technology, normally

4041
03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:42,840
would be damaged if the temperature drops to twenty nine degrees.

4042
03:32:42,920 --> 03:32:46,760
Once sprayed with a frost protectant, could withstand temperatures several

4043
03:32:46,840 --> 03:32:48,440
degrees cooler.

4044
03:32:49,719 --> 03:32:50,440
Speaker 3: My cool, dude.

4045
03:32:50,559 --> 03:32:52,520
Speaker 8: So if you can believe it, this is what Sid

4046
03:32:53,280 --> 03:32:57,559
Well cool. This is what Sid goes on to do.

4047
03:33:00,760 --> 03:33:03,840
I cannot imagine him in the polo, you know, because

4048
03:33:03,879 --> 03:33:07,719
he's he's working territories that are always ninety fucking degrees

4049
03:33:08,319 --> 03:33:11,319
and just so humid you can't even breathe. And he's

4050
03:33:11,399 --> 03:33:15,200
walking the fields with the farmers on a Saturday. He's

4051
03:33:15,200 --> 03:33:17,959
like yeah, and they're like, whoa, what a Were you

4052
03:33:18,079 --> 03:33:19,360
a basketball player or something?

4053
03:33:19,440 --> 03:33:19,600
Speaker 22: Man?

4054
03:33:19,760 --> 03:33:24,399
Speaker 8: Oh my god, what would the would the what the

4055
03:33:24,479 --> 03:33:25,639
Vince McMahon styck.

4056
03:33:26,399 --> 03:33:29,719
Speaker 3: Or not where a wrestled? Nor will I?

4057
03:33:30,760 --> 03:33:33,200
Speaker 8: Oh my god, you are massive? How tall are you?

4058
03:33:35,159 --> 03:33:39,440
I mean, uh, that's my bus.

4059
03:33:40,680 --> 03:33:42,360
Speaker 3: That's what came out of my fucking mouth.

4060
03:33:43,879 --> 03:33:44,680
Speaker 4: How tall are you?

4061
03:33:45,000 --> 03:33:46,520
Speaker 3: That's not my business?

4062
03:33:49,760 --> 03:33:55,479
Speaker 8: Not, that's not yours, that's not my business. My business. Now,

4063
03:33:56,760 --> 03:34:00,879
hag chemicals, talk to me.

4064
03:34:00,959 --> 03:34:03,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna do about your frost problems? You're gonna do

4065
03:34:04,040 --> 03:34:06,559
about it? What are you gonna do about your frost?

4066
03:34:08,760 --> 03:34:14,600
Are you gonna take the power of Sid and frosted?

4067
03:34:18,239 --> 03:34:21,680
I won't know where you're gonna go. Where you plan

4068
03:34:21,840 --> 03:34:34,920
to be when Sid frosts? Wow? Well, well said.

4069
03:34:34,920 --> 03:34:36,360
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you I'm worried about the colts now

4070
03:34:38,440 --> 03:34:45,319
earler than expect that oh ship and he doesn't kick

4071
03:34:45,399 --> 03:34:45,680
him out.

4072
03:34:46,239 --> 03:34:48,879
Speaker 5: You don't understand what it means a frost?

4073
03:34:51,840 --> 03:34:53,719
Speaker 8: Okay, but what can I do to protect my crops?

4074
03:34:53,760 --> 03:34:53,879
Speaker 22: Man?

4075
03:34:54,159 --> 03:34:57,360
Speaker 3: You look me dead in the eye, and I want

4076
03:34:57,399 --> 03:35:04,520
you to understand one thing. You can never recover from

4077
03:35:04,600 --> 03:35:10,040
the frost. I will always be watching you.

4078
03:35:11,959 --> 03:35:13,680
Speaker 5: I will never take my eyes off you.

4079
03:35:15,760 --> 03:35:24,239
Speaker 3: You will never have the chemicals that I provide Because

4080
03:35:24,319 --> 03:35:25,879
I wrote the chemical world.

4081
03:35:29,760 --> 03:35:32,840
Speaker 8: But but, but, but, mister, mister uty, I mean, I'm

4082
03:35:32,879 --> 03:35:38,200
particularly concerned about stone fruits. I mean they're at a

4083
03:35:38,239 --> 03:35:40,959
critical stage. A hard frost could really damage them, Sir,

4084
03:35:43,079 --> 03:35:45,120
A hard frost can really damage them. I didn't say

4085
03:35:45,120 --> 03:35:49,120
anything about softball, sir, heart frost really damaging my apples

4086
03:35:49,159 --> 03:35:53,159
and stone I didn't.

4087
03:35:53,319 --> 03:35:57,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I should have softball is the most important.

4088
03:35:57,319 --> 03:35:59,719
Speaker 8: Say say say whatever you would say if I said it.

4089
03:36:01,920 --> 03:36:07,239
Speaker 3: There is nothing you can't solve with softball. Now you

4090
03:36:07,280 --> 03:36:08,399
won't go play softball?

4091
03:36:09,479 --> 03:36:09,799
Speaker 13: All right?

4092
03:36:11,399 --> 03:36:11,440
Speaker 10: No?

4093
03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:13,799
Speaker 8: I mean, did you walk in here to play hardball?

4094
03:36:13,920 --> 03:36:14,360
Is the question.

4095
03:36:14,760 --> 03:36:16,399
Speaker 3: What I'm tired of you doing is put word in

4096
03:36:16,479 --> 03:36:20,120
my mouth. I'm asking you about softball.

4097
03:36:23,319 --> 03:36:25,479
Speaker 8: Do you guys offer I don't know wind machines or

4098
03:36:25,520 --> 03:36:27,520
frost fans. I heard they're good for mixing up the

4099
03:36:27,559 --> 03:36:28,719
air and keeping the temperature.

4100
03:36:30,959 --> 03:36:31,879
Speaker 3: That's what SID does.

4101
03:36:36,040 --> 03:36:37,799
Speaker 8: I've got a couple of frost fans, but they're not

4102
03:36:37,959 --> 03:36:41,520
enough to cover the whole orchard. Do you have any options?

4103
03:36:43,200 --> 03:36:44,120
Speaker 3: It's pain.

4104
03:36:47,200 --> 03:36:49,639
Speaker 8: You don't have any sprinklers I can use overnight. I

4105
03:36:49,719 --> 03:36:51,079
heard a light mist can help.

4106
03:36:51,120 --> 03:36:53,719
Speaker 3: Is sprinkle your head with pain?

4107
03:36:58,600 --> 03:37:00,319
Speaker 8: I heard a light mist can help her packed my

4108
03:37:00,440 --> 03:37:02,239
blossoms from forming a layer of eyes.

4109
03:37:04,520 --> 03:37:08,399
Speaker 3: Is it true? What's true or what's not true? All?

4110
03:37:08,600 --> 03:37:08,879
Speaker 27: I know?

4111
03:37:09,799 --> 03:37:10,520
Speaker 3: What are you doing here?

4112
03:37:10,600 --> 03:37:10,760
Speaker 11: Man?

4113
03:37:10,920 --> 03:37:15,239
Speaker 3: Came here to sell and I'm not selling to you.

4114
03:37:22,879 --> 03:37:24,040
Speaker 8: Do you have frost blankets?

4115
03:37:24,280 --> 03:37:25,840
Speaker 5: I'm paint blankets.

4116
03:37:32,959 --> 03:37:34,920
Speaker 8: I mean, I've got some row covers for the veggies,

4117
03:37:34,959 --> 03:37:38,239
but the orchard is my main concern. I mean, I

4118
03:37:38,280 --> 03:37:40,319
don't know about the sprinkers. I'm about water right now.

4119
03:37:40,680 --> 03:37:42,760
It's gonna be tough to cover everything in the eye.

4120
03:37:45,479 --> 03:37:58,319
Speaker 3: Do you grow? Can? I said? Do you grow?

4121
03:38:02,079 --> 03:38:05,000
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with viennas. Is that exact

4122
03:38:05,159 --> 03:38:06,559
fruit or something? I don't understand.

4123
03:38:06,760 --> 03:38:10,040
Speaker 3: You know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about

4124
03:38:10,159 --> 03:38:12,239
Vienna sausages canned.

4125
03:38:16,639 --> 03:38:20,639
Speaker 8: I know those. That's a processed meat product that comes

4126
03:38:20,639 --> 03:38:23,399
from from animals, that doesn't come from the ground. I'm

4127
03:38:23,920 --> 03:38:27,440
run an orchard here. I don't even have any livestock

4128
03:38:27,479 --> 03:38:27,840
that alone.

4129
03:38:28,000 --> 03:38:31,680
Speaker 3: Understand. Vienna is life.

4130
03:38:35,959 --> 03:38:38,600
Speaker 8: Do you have me homeless and Memphis homeless in Memphis

4131
03:38:38,799 --> 03:38:44,360
cana Vienna sausages And do you know how many they're

4132
03:38:44,360 --> 03:38:46,639
eating them? Not because they want to, but because they're

4133
03:38:46,680 --> 03:38:48,319
having to, not because they need you.

4134
03:38:48,399 --> 03:38:50,079
Speaker 3: Not because they want to, but because that is what

4135
03:38:50,200 --> 03:38:51,040
the church offers.

4136
03:38:55,799 --> 03:38:57,479
Speaker 8: Anything else besides Vienna's, is it?

4137
03:38:57,559 --> 03:38:57,760
Speaker 3: I mean?

4138
03:38:57,840 --> 03:38:59,399
Speaker 8: Is that all they get? Just a can of ennas?

4139
03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:02,079
Speaker 3: I want to tell you something.

4140
03:39:02,200 --> 03:39:04,120
Speaker 8: Did they at least get a package of crackers too?

4141
03:39:04,520 --> 03:39:05,760
Speaker 3: If they people?

4142
03:39:09,840 --> 03:39:12,360
Speaker 8: I mean, I would be glad to grow viands here

4143
03:39:12,399 --> 03:39:14,479
if I could get something to value in return.

4144
03:39:15,920 --> 03:39:20,879
Speaker 3: You grov church. I'll send you a headshot signed by Sid.

4145
03:39:30,719 --> 03:39:33,680
Speaker 8: I know he has an interesting sales approach, doesn't he.

4146
03:39:34,399 --> 03:39:37,319
You talk about round up, he rounds him right up.

4147
03:39:38,399 --> 03:39:41,440
So yeah, is uh? You can picture them in the polo,

4148
03:39:41,600 --> 03:39:44,840
white polo, and just like the heat the heat bugs,

4149
03:39:44,879 --> 03:39:47,799
you know, like when you're a really hot area and

4150
03:39:47,920 --> 03:39:51,520
it's like three in the afternoon. Just it's just like

4151
03:39:51,680 --> 03:39:56,280
these bugs just going deep in the woods. That's it's

4152
03:39:56,360 --> 03:39:59,920
his life. That's his life, of course, And we're gonna

4153
03:40:00,280 --> 03:40:02,280
revisit a little bit of sound you've already heard here.

4154
03:40:02,840 --> 03:40:04,520
That's life until of course this happens.

4155
03:40:05,040 --> 03:40:06,799
Speaker 11: And then one day I'd come home from work, and

4156
03:40:07,159 --> 03:40:11,239
usually work on Saturdays all the time, during a busy

4157
03:40:11,280 --> 03:40:14,200
time of farming, Saturdays had Sundays good day to be

4158
03:40:14,239 --> 03:40:16,040
out there with the farmer to help, you know, see

4159
03:40:16,040 --> 03:40:19,600
if he needed anything. And I came in on Saturday,

4160
03:40:20,120 --> 03:40:23,559
my kept my wife's cousin said, Pitts mc man has

4161
03:40:23,559 --> 03:40:27,319
been calling here, said yesterday every five minutes.

4162
03:40:27,440 --> 03:40:31,079
Speaker 12: I said, really, hear from eight months wherever it was,

4163
03:40:32,360 --> 03:40:34,520
and the calls, I'm not here.

4164
03:40:35,520 --> 03:40:36,040
Speaker 10: This funny.

4165
03:40:36,079 --> 03:40:38,719
Speaker 11: I picked the phone call with my buddy's and phone clicks,

4166
03:40:38,760 --> 03:40:41,559
I clicked it over. It was Vince, he said, Sin,

4167
03:40:42,079 --> 03:40:45,280
it was Vince. I hate events and I got a

4168
03:40:45,360 --> 03:40:47,399
big favor from you. I said, what it goes, I

4169
03:40:47,520 --> 03:40:49,000
need you to do a couple of shots for me.

4170
03:40:49,200 --> 03:40:53,680
I said, well, well, all right, when are they He said,

4171
03:40:53,959 --> 03:40:57,399
well tonight and tomorrow. I got like forty minutes to

4172
03:40:57,440 --> 03:41:00,559
make the flight. I said, aby, got my ship, get

4173
03:41:00,600 --> 03:41:02,200
addressed in the car, and they picked me up there

4174
03:41:02,280 --> 03:41:07,040
for it. Next time, the baby boy went home and

4175
03:41:07,200 --> 03:41:10,079
hear more from a couple of weeks, same thing, And

4176
03:41:10,280 --> 03:41:12,879
on Saturday, same thing, and you you do a couple

4177
03:41:12,879 --> 03:41:15,639
of shots the same thing, real quick and but same.

4178
03:41:15,680 --> 03:41:17,079
Speaker 12: When I went back, I told him I wasn't. I

4179
03:41:17,120 --> 03:41:20,079
didn't want to come back, you know, I did.

4180
03:41:20,399 --> 03:41:22,440
Speaker 11: I would come back, maybe do some bar time stuff

4181
03:41:22,479 --> 03:41:26,479
and vincay no's your full time said things are different now.

4182
03:41:30,559 --> 03:41:34,719
Speaker 8: So there again is another instance of Sid getting into

4183
03:41:34,879 --> 03:41:37,159
an absurd amount of detail about how the phone call

4184
03:41:37,319 --> 03:41:40,440
consummated and who clicked over when and all that. I

4185
03:41:40,479 --> 03:41:43,280
don't know why these are important details to him, but

4186
03:41:43,319 --> 03:41:46,559
he tells those details every time. And Vince gets him

4187
03:41:46,559 --> 03:41:48,079
on the horn and says he just needs him for

4188
03:41:48,120 --> 03:41:50,639
something short term. Where did the need come from? You

4189
03:41:50,719 --> 03:41:53,079
already heard it kind of telegraphed a little bit. Where

4190
03:41:53,079 --> 03:41:55,040
did this sudden need come from? Or plug this hole

4191
03:41:55,159 --> 03:41:56,200
that only Sid could plug?

4192
03:41:57,239 --> 03:41:57,559
Speaker 3: All right.

4193
03:41:57,719 --> 03:42:01,040
Speaker 21: The whole idea at that time was the that was

4194
03:42:01,079 --> 03:42:06,559
a comic book debacle with Ultimate Warrior, and after he

4195
03:42:07,280 --> 03:42:10,440
tried to hold us up on the comic book money

4196
03:42:10,479 --> 03:42:13,360
and what have you, and demanded all this money from us,

4197
03:42:13,520 --> 03:42:16,280
and then he didn't show up. And then he says,

4198
03:42:16,719 --> 03:42:19,479
three days later, after not returning body's call, well, my

4199
03:42:19,600 --> 03:42:23,280
dad's sick or my dad died someone that he had

4200
03:42:23,319 --> 03:42:27,639
reportedly not been close with and been estranged for many,

4201
03:42:27,680 --> 03:42:31,680
many years. So it was a lot of it is

4202
03:42:31,840 --> 03:42:34,319
Warrior going to show up, and Vince was trying to

4203
03:42:34,959 --> 03:42:37,360
do everything he could to get Warrior just to show up.

4204
03:42:37,440 --> 03:42:40,879
Let's get him to show up, come to work, we'll

4205
03:42:40,920 --> 03:42:43,639
talk about it, we'll work through this and what have you.

4206
03:42:44,479 --> 03:42:47,559
I'm sure that we probably looked at a lot of

4207
03:42:47,600 --> 03:42:52,360
different people for that, but it was who's somebody that

4208
03:42:52,559 --> 03:42:58,559
they would accept be happy to see a surprise. Normally

4209
03:42:58,639 --> 03:43:00,840
it would be a guy like you know, Andy Savage,

4210
03:43:01,360 --> 03:43:05,200
And maybe we just didn't have a whole lot of choice.

4211
03:43:05,239 --> 03:43:08,399
And Vince was like, what about Sid? And he doesn't

4212
03:43:08,479 --> 03:43:10,879
have to do anything but go out and deliver a

4213
03:43:11,280 --> 03:43:14,120
power bomb to somebody and that's it.

4214
03:43:14,280 --> 03:43:14,920
Speaker 2: They'll be happy.

4215
03:43:16,280 --> 03:43:17,200
Speaker 3: What about Sid?

4216
03:43:18,360 --> 03:43:22,079
Speaker 8: It's amazing. How are they talking about the No one

4217
03:43:22,120 --> 03:43:22,639
thought about this.

4218
03:43:23,040 --> 03:43:26,239
Speaker 3: Since he injured himself. You know, might as well, you know,

4219
03:43:26,360 --> 03:43:27,799
fork over a few bucks. He was going on.

4220
03:43:31,319 --> 03:43:33,920
Speaker 8: Well, Vince, he told us last time, but to doctor

4221
03:43:33,959 --> 03:43:34,879
as much as his career.

4222
03:43:35,079 --> 03:43:37,479
Speaker 3: Car bomb. Maybe take a bump or two, maybe, you know,

4223
03:43:37,639 --> 03:43:41,840
drop off the you know they got they got, dive

4224
03:43:41,920 --> 03:43:45,639
off the top, turn buckle to the floor, nothing nothing serious,

4225
03:43:46,959 --> 03:43:55,440
land in his head, straight in his head. He doesn't

4226
03:43:55,479 --> 03:43:57,239
know about this, was about that and he doesn't need

4227
03:43:57,319 --> 03:43:59,680
to know about this. But we're gonna bring in Kenny Gobashi.

4228
03:44:00,479 --> 03:44:07,520
That is a he's an entertainer from Japan, and you

4229
03:44:07,559 --> 03:44:11,719
know what we're gonna have. He does this spectacular uh

4230
03:44:11,959 --> 03:44:15,680
you know, flipping maneuver where he you know, he gives

4231
03:44:15,719 --> 03:44:18,079
you a half of a Nelson and then he just

4232
03:44:18,200 --> 03:44:19,719
drops you on your head and we're going to have

4233
03:44:19,799 --> 03:44:24,719
Sid take that be me entertaining.

4234
03:44:26,040 --> 03:44:31,159
Speaker 8: It would be quite quite entertaining. Entertaining, is right? So yeah,

4235
03:44:32,879 --> 03:44:35,079
let's just talk right through what Sid says is a

4236
03:44:35,159 --> 03:44:37,399
career ending injury and give him a call, and what

4237
03:44:37,520 --> 03:44:40,000
do you know, Holy presto, he jumps right in the

4238
03:44:40,079 --> 03:44:46,000
plane immediately. Isn't well he's working in chemicals. I said,

4239
03:44:46,040 --> 03:44:48,200
oh yeah, pal, well, I got a lot of chemicals.

4240
03:44:48,319 --> 03:44:51,879
It's nothing compared to the chemicals I can dangle. It's

4241
03:44:51,920 --> 03:44:55,360
more like my chemical romance. As it regards Sid in

4242
03:44:55,440 --> 03:44:56,719
the w B. Here's more from Bruce.

4243
03:44:57,559 --> 03:45:00,239
Speaker 21: All right, the whole idea at that time that was

4244
03:45:01,399 --> 03:45:02,120
a comic book.

4245
03:45:02,719 --> 03:45:03,559
Speaker 3: Sorry, already did that.

4246
03:45:04,120 --> 03:45:04,440
Speaker 27: And so.

4247
03:45:06,200 --> 03:45:09,799
Speaker 8: Sid's back and here's how it sounded. This is what

4248
03:45:09,840 --> 03:45:12,760
it would found by even though he was supposed to

4249
03:45:12,799 --> 03:45:14,600
just come in for a couple of shots, non televised

4250
03:45:14,680 --> 03:45:16,840
quick matches to a power bomb, keep the people happy,

4251
03:45:17,559 --> 03:45:19,840
fill that Warrior gap, right, because there are people still

4252
03:45:19,920 --> 03:45:21,559
that bought tickets thinking Warrior was going to be in

4253
03:45:21,600 --> 03:45:24,600
these house shows and they're firing him, so they're gonna

4254
03:45:24,600 --> 03:45:27,479
show up pissed. Potentially, these fans, who can we put

4255
03:45:27,520 --> 03:45:29,479
out there that will feel like a replacement for your value?

4256
03:45:29,559 --> 03:45:32,879
And yeah, Sid kind of hits that same nostalgia. Chord

4257
03:45:33,360 --> 03:45:36,120
hadn't seen him in a long time suitable replacement. But

4258
03:45:36,319 --> 03:45:39,479
we know Vince and if you have that kind of

4259
03:45:39,559 --> 03:45:41,760
value on one show, he's gonna want you whenever show.

4260
03:45:42,639 --> 03:45:45,280
We've established this, So we just wanted to come in

4261
03:45:45,319 --> 03:45:47,000
for a couple of shots to plug holes for us,

4262
03:45:47,120 --> 03:45:49,920
turns into we need you back full time, turns into

4263
03:45:50,120 --> 03:45:52,520
we need to pretend you never told us that you

4264
03:45:52,639 --> 03:45:56,520
had career ending injuries to this happening. It was the

4265
03:45:56,600 --> 03:45:59,159
International Incident pay per view. A six man tag was

4266
03:45:59,200 --> 03:46:01,799
penciled in. Shawn Michaels, I'm at Johnson and the Ultimate

4267
03:46:01,840 --> 03:46:05,040
Warrior were to face Yokozuna, Owen Hart and Jewish Bulldog

4268
03:46:06,159 --> 03:46:09,840
or Vader. It was not Yokazu in Invader and due

4269
03:46:09,879 --> 03:46:12,559
to the Ultimate Warriors firing for reasons referenced there by

4270
03:46:12,600 --> 03:46:15,040
Bruce Pritchard. We've gone into it one hundred times over

4271
03:46:15,120 --> 03:46:18,079
ten years on the show. You know the story. There's

4272
03:46:18,120 --> 03:46:21,399
a need once again for a big man to fill

4273
03:46:21,479 --> 03:46:23,520
those shoes, and this is what it sounded like that

4274
03:46:23,680 --> 03:46:25,680
summer of nineteen ninety six.

4275
03:46:26,000 --> 03:46:28,440
Speaker 23: Welcome back every one to more Monday Night, Rod, Jim

4276
03:46:28,520 --> 03:46:30,440
Cornett back in the locker room area. You don't seem

4277
03:46:30,520 --> 03:46:33,239
too upset over whom Shawn Michaels and I'm Matt Johnson

4278
03:46:33,280 --> 03:46:34,600
are gonna choose as a partner.

4279
03:46:34,840 --> 03:46:35,719
Speaker 4: Why would I be upset?

4280
03:46:35,760 --> 03:46:38,079
Speaker 24: It's been a real productive night for Camp Cornett because

4281
03:46:38,079 --> 03:46:40,040
the Ultimate Warrior's out of the picture in more ways

4282
03:46:40,079 --> 03:46:40,399
than one.

4283
03:46:40,639 --> 03:46:42,000
Speaker 5: And Sean Michael Zaman.

4284
03:46:41,760 --> 03:46:43,000
Speaker 4: Johnson, they're just buffing.

4285
03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:44,000
Speaker 7: They're trying about time.

4286
03:46:44,159 --> 03:46:46,159
Speaker 24: They ain't got no partner, they don't have anybody to

4287
03:46:46,200 --> 03:46:48,680
do themors not kid, because nobody in our right mind

4288
03:46:48,719 --> 03:46:50,600
would step into that spot to be their partner and

4289
03:46:50,680 --> 03:46:52,520
that six man tag after what we just did a

4290
03:46:52,559 --> 03:46:54,600
little while ago to the Warrior, I happen to know

4291
03:46:54,879 --> 03:46:58,319
that all the ww have superstars, they already have prior commitments, so.

4292
03:46:58,399 --> 03:46:59,920
Speaker 4: Nobody to right mind would step into it.

4293
03:47:00,200 --> 03:47:03,000
Speaker 24: All the other guys are taking so Shawn Michael's Iman Johnson,

4294
03:47:03,120 --> 03:47:03,719
you're bluffing.

4295
03:47:03,879 --> 03:47:05,479
Speaker 5: July twenty first International Listen.

4296
03:47:05,559 --> 03:47:06,239
Speaker 4: I promise you this.

4297
03:47:06,799 --> 03:47:09,639
Speaker 24: The three members of Camp Cornett are gonna take real

4298
03:47:09,760 --> 03:47:11,600
good care of the two of you kids.

4299
03:47:11,600 --> 03:47:13,719
Speaker 7: You're coming to a gang fight and you're forgetting to

4300
03:47:13,760 --> 03:47:14,600
bring your own gang.

4301
03:47:14,680 --> 03:47:17,000
Speaker 23: Oh yeah, all right, thank you very much. Let's take

4302
03:47:17,000 --> 03:47:19,479
you out of Sean Michaels. I'm at Johnson standing by, Gentlemen,

4303
03:47:19,479 --> 03:47:20,239
are running out of time.

4304
03:47:20,440 --> 03:47:21,319
Speaker 4: Whom have you chosen?

4305
03:47:21,639 --> 03:47:24,600
Speaker 29: Jim Cornett, We don't bluff. This is the World Wrestling Federaction.

4306
03:47:24,719 --> 03:47:24,920
Speaker 3: Boy.

4307
03:47:25,000 --> 03:47:26,559
Speaker 29: You gotta know when to hold him and no one

4308
03:47:26,639 --> 03:47:29,479
to fold them. And you should have folded. Surprise, surprise,

4309
03:47:29,559 --> 03:47:32,399
Look what we have for Camp Cornet.

4310
03:47:33,159 --> 03:47:33,600
Speaker 5: Cicho.

4311
03:47:34,719 --> 03:47:39,159
Speaker 18: You're looking at that figure, probably asked yourself, shining Michael, what.

4312
03:47:39,280 --> 03:47:39,920
Speaker 4: Are you gone?

4313
03:47:40,000 --> 03:47:42,399
Speaker 3: And done? Yeah twice.

4314
03:47:44,200 --> 03:47:47,639
Speaker 18: And he's released me this time For you Cornett and

4315
03:47:47,719 --> 03:47:49,760
the Cornett camp, there's nothing.

4316
03:47:50,079 --> 03:47:51,200
Speaker 4: There's no good news.

4317
03:47:51,840 --> 03:47:52,479
Speaker 5: I canna hear you.

4318
03:47:54,440 --> 03:47:56,319
Speaker 3: How could hear you screaming out?

4319
03:47:57,079 --> 03:47:57,360
Speaker 7: Help?

4320
03:47:58,799 --> 03:48:01,319
Speaker 3: Health? There?

4321
03:48:03,280 --> 03:48:04,959
Speaker 29: I much rather be on this tea.

4322
03:48:05,120 --> 03:48:07,200
Speaker 12: Believe there's Joe.

4323
03:48:07,680 --> 03:48:09,600
Speaker 5: Why aren't you?

4324
03:48:09,840 --> 03:48:12,440
Speaker 4: Gentlemen and Jeff Cornet put the corner back ye me,

4325
03:48:12,559 --> 03:48:13,559
what are you trying to do to me?

4326
03:48:13,799 --> 03:48:16,399
Speaker 30: Carloman, somebody tried to camp Cordon.

4327
03:48:16,639 --> 03:48:18,079
Speaker 5: He's not gonna get in a ring with that guy.

4328
03:48:18,120 --> 03:48:19,799
Speaker 4: He's a nut. That's why he hadn't been in the

4329
03:48:19,920 --> 03:48:20,360
w WM.

4330
03:48:20,399 --> 03:48:21,159
Speaker 3: He's been locked up.

4331
03:48:21,200 --> 03:48:24,600
Speaker 30: Somebody getting tradment putting elect rooms to his hand. They've

4332
03:48:24,680 --> 03:48:26,959
tried it down the gas tap of the election chair.

4333
03:48:27,079 --> 03:48:29,239
But I'm gonna tell you something right now, I gonna

4334
03:48:29,239 --> 03:48:31,559
put up with this. There's no way the camp Corde

4335
03:48:31,879 --> 03:48:34,000
is gonna be ford to getting the regular second Monster

4336
03:48:34,840 --> 03:48:35,520
Chot said.

4337
03:48:35,520 --> 03:48:36,760
Speaker 4: I'm calling Clarien Jason.

4338
03:48:36,799 --> 03:48:41,680
Speaker 6: I'm doing whatever I gotta do about I'm sick.

4339
03:48:45,000 --> 03:48:46,559
Speaker 8: And for the run that was just supposed to be

4340
03:48:46,639 --> 03:48:49,159
one power bomb, do as little as possible, It turned

4341
03:48:49,239 --> 03:48:53,200
into the run of Sid's career, as he would soon

4342
03:48:53,280 --> 03:48:56,479
be WWF champion and the die would truly be cast

4343
03:48:57,000 --> 03:48:59,719
on what he meant as a pro wrestler. That's next

4344
03:48:59,760 --> 03:49:03,959
time on tlf's Tribute to sit River is a city.

4345
03:49:03,760 --> 03:49:07,360
Speaker 2: Preceding announcement as a t J DeSantis production. Its contents

4346
03:49:07,479 --> 03:49:09,120
is intended for private use only.