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of the last hour. Talked about the Charlotte City Council

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voting to essentially ban Tesla from getting any kind of

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contracts for electric vehicle purchases. It was a six to

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three vote last night to remove Tesla from a list

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of approved vendors. And this isn't even like they weren't

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even up for an award a contract. They were just

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on a list and that list was compiled by city

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staff and had a bunch of different vendors that are

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on the list. So depending on what is needed for

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a particular purchase, they would look at any company, any

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vendor on the list. But Lawana Mayfield, Democrat, who got

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into a bit of hot water talking about nine to

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eleven several years ago when she was a county commission

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but then after sitting on the sidelines for a couple

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of years, made her triumphant return truth or return you

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might say, as a city council member. And so she

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wants Tesla off the list, and she claims that there

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are safety reasons and lawsuits, poor quality or something about Tesla.

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It's not political, well, not predominantly political, she said. So

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in other words, there is some bit of politics, because

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of course there isn't. Councilman ed Driggs, he pointed this out.

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This is a very bad path to go down. You're

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going to start taking vendors off of list because of

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the political activities or opinions of their CEO. That's an

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American manufacturer that you are now precluding, prohibiting from awarding

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contracts Andy sent me a message saying, if Charlotte removes

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Tesla from the vendor list because of politics, it is

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admitting that it was likely accepted for political reasons as well. Right,

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Tesla was put on the list years ago, but now

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Mayfield says, oh, well, we have other vendors, lots of

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different car companies to choose from, so that's why we

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should take it off the list. Well, why would you

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take it off the list if you've got all of

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these other car companies, if they're also manufacturing evs, just

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award the contracts to them, right, But no, it's a boycott.

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That's the primary purpose. That's what they did last night.

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And I hope Elon Musk hears about it. Ron, Welcome

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to the program, Hey, Ron, Hey, how you are good?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I just wanted to comment on that action that

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the city council took last night. Oh, it just of courts.

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One thing that I've held for a long time is

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that you know, a government city, city and county government,

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and Charlotte Meckenburg is predominantly run by the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: Correct, well yeah, and at the county level it is

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completely controlled by Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And that that that that that creates the

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inherent danger because of all of these cities, that these

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great cities that have popped up in this country, most

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of those who have failed failed because they had a

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one sided government that you know, was a political let's

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put it that way. Well, and they yeah, go ahead, Yeah,

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But you know the thing is is that that six

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y three vote last night, he was saying that someone

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would have someone else would have looked at him side

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Egg Driggs and other two people that voted with him,

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to see, wait a minute, this is not right. But

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you know, I think it's a fear within the Party

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of Democratic Party. If they they don't total line, they

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will lose money. I'll put it that way.

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Speaker 1: Well, they lose support. Right, this is the issue.

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Speaker 2: So I will name that so Edwin Peacock who was

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newly appointed to fill the rest of the term of

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Tark Bakari, So he's the other Republican. The two Republicans

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out of the eleven members, they both voted against this,

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and they were joined by Democrat at Large member dimple

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Ashmira and so that they were on the right side

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of this issue. Now regarding the political side of it,

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sitting at that table, and if you've got Lawana Mayfield

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making this motion, they have to understand that their base

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hates Elon Musk and if they side with the two

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Republicans on this issue, they then risk their base getting

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mad at them and them getting primaried by somebody further

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to the left than they are. And that's I think

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what is the motivating because nobody else spoke about this.

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why they would cut Tesla out of this list of

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vendors that could be awarded contracts. Nobody else said a word.

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So Mayfield's argument was the only argument made in favor

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of it. And this is, like you said, this is

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the problem with single party control. I'm reminded there was

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a book called the five thousand Year Leap and it

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talked about the American eagle needs the left and the

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right wings to fly straight, and when you have one

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party in complete control, you don't get that kind of

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course correction, and so you just keep veering off to

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one side. And yeah, it's unfortunate that now Charlotte finds

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itself in this position after having been built by Republicans

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with the help of yes, Democrats over the course of

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you know, one hundred years. But now you know Republicans like, okay,

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well we got to be a big city. Thanks for

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your help. Now get the hell out. We don't care

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what you say. So that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: Ron. I do appreciate the call, sir, Okay, all right,

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take care. Let me get Earl on.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Earl, Hey, how are you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 1: All right, man, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Say, like, if there was any chance of getting a

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Tesla plant or something in Charlotte and bringing jobs here,

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that's pretty much shot now, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that this council would vote to a

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any kind of a deal with Tesla. Yes, no, I

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I And again, I hope Elon Musk finds out about

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this action and and draws attention to it, because yeah,

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I don't know. I mean, yeah, he's pretty online from

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what I understand, he's uh, he's on social media quite

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a bit, so he may very well find out about this,

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and I hope he does, and I hope he has

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some thoughts to express about it, because it is a

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to me, it's clearly political retribution, that's all it is.

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Speaker 4: Oh, definitely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I'm.

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Speaker 1: All right, Earl.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, all right, I left him speechless.

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I have some emails. This is from Alan. Isn't this

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the same mindset that ended up with Charlotte having two

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or three city buses that are sitting dead in the

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water because the manufacturer went bankrupt.

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Speaker 1: They can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't get the buses fixed. Right, isn't it

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wasn't that the story? Terry says, I hope that Musk

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sues the city for a bunch. Well, I mean, well

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I don't want that. I don't want to have to

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pay out elon Musk. He's got money, but I would

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like him to draw attention to it. Mark says they

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could face legal action over this. Regardless, this should be

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an open bidding to get the business. If Tesla Vehicles

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meet the specs laid out yet or denied the opportunity

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to bid, they might find that that is not quite legal. However,

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having said that buying evs with tax dollars is idiocy.

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Unless they are golf carts for the meter maids, they

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don't make sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: You got two different issues that play there, and Mark

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broke it down very well.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You got the one issue of like, should we be

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buying evs as a policy, But yeah, if you are

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opening up bids, then any company needs to be allowed

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to bid. And what they just did is say we're

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not going to consider this one company for some nebulous

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safety concerns which I could not locate when I did

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a search for this stuff. I could not find this, Like,

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Oh my gosh, Tesla's are killing people all over the place.

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Kevin says, I hate ignorant people. I don't drive one,

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but Tesla's are one of the safest, if not the safest,

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vehicle on US roads. Has stated from multiple sources, what

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other decisions has she made in the past that were

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politically motivated that were not in the best interest of taxpayers?

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Seth says Pete. At some point, you have to realize

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Charlotte is lost. It'll never get better. There's been too

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much Democrat infiltration. Please quit trying to reach out to

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people that may be borderline moderate Democrats. Those folks will

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soon realize my opening statement that Charlotte is lost, and

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they will move to areas like where I live and

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bring their terrible political stances with them. And James says,

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does Rwanda know that Tesla charging connector is now known as.

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I guess, Lawana Mayfield?

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Speaker 2: I thought, okay, so I thought you were talking about

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like the mineral mining and stuff Rwanda the country? Lawana Mayfield?

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Does she know that the charging connector is now known

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as the NACS North American Charging Standard All evs across

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all brands have adopted the standard. This did not happen

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because there are safety issues with the Tesla product. I'm

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guessing she has a closet full of Beta Max movies

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Speaker 1: That's that's possible. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Also, we've got senate approval of another Hurricane Helene relief

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package and an audit of the North Carolina DMV underway.

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brings the total amount of state funding dedicated to Hellene

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relief and recovery efforts to over two point one billion dollars.

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Of that fund, the House Bill ten twelve now goes

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hundred million total of that funding, four hundred and eighty

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million will be appropriated for immediate needs. And here's the

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list of immediate needs. Five million to visit NC for

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tourism promotion because people aren't going to the mountains because

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they think it's completely devastated. I can assure you there

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are a lot of areas that are up and running,

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and the tourism industry that powers that region needs your

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Speaker 1: You don't have to go to downtown.

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Speaker 2: Ashville, aka the Cesspool of sin You don't have to

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go there. There are lots of other towns and communities

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the you know, the state parks and such. They need

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your help. So fifteen million dollars to the North Carolina

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Forest Service for wildfire assets and preparedness because there's a

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that came down with the storm and now it's dried

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out right, it's just like waiting to combust. Ten million

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dollars to repair, modify, or remove dams that were damaged

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used to reimburse up to half of the cost for

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projects that are already done, seventy million to continue covering

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the FEMA state match, twenty five million for unmet local

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government needs, as well as fifteen million for local government

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capital grant programs for capital projects in the affected area,

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twenty million to provide flood mitigation grants and engineering assistant grants.

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Fifteen million to the Office of the State Fire Marshal

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to provide grants to volunteer fire departments and rescue squads

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which are all over the place in the mountains, Lots

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and lots of volley fire departments. And an additional one

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hundred million dollars to the cash Flow Loans for SORRY

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four Local Governments program administered by the State Treasurer. Okay,

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so helping out local governments. This is going to be

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like you're small towns that you know, if you've got

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devastation in this small town and you don't have people

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paying property taxes anymore, but you need to keep your

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police right, your city hall open, you need to keep

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your fire department running, your water and sewer stuff. So

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that's what the one hundred million dollars cash flow loans

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go for, is to help the small towns. Also, the

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North Carolina Office of the State Auditor has released preliminary

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information from its ongoing audit of the North Carolina Division

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of Motor Vehicles aka the NCDMV. This is just preliminary, right,

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This is not a total list of all the problems.

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Speaker 1: This is just the first round. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The big takeaway in this preliminary information is that the

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current workforce levels are insufficient to meet the needs of

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North Carolinians. I am as shocked as you are to

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who says, Pete, thank you so much for bringing this

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to the public's attention. Regarding the Tesla story, I emailed

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Councilman Ed Driggs and asked him to provide the names

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of one or two other companies on the approved list.

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So I can do my own research. I will keep

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you posted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well that was Driggs's point was that there was no

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argument made, no data or research, nothing on any of

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the other companies. What's their safety records? Are they fighting

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lawsuits or whatever. It was just I want to take

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Tesla off the list of approved vendors, and six members

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voted for it, So don't tell me it wasn't political.

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Over at the State Auditor's Office, they've been doing an audit,

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as they are known to do, of the North Carolina DMV,

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and the office put out a preliminary report, some preliminary

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information because DMV staffing adjustments are being considered as part

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of the legislative budget negotiations, and so the state auditor

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is like, this may be helpful to you guys to

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get this information now while you're negotiating a state budget,

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because workforce levels are insufficient to meet the needs of

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North Carolinians. Here are the preliminary results on DMV staffing

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that indicate Number one, additional driver license examiners are necessary

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to meet public demand and reduce weight times at the

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offices across the state, so they need more examiners. Number two,

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flexibility in current personnel rules is necessary to allow the

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DMV to hire and retain staff more effectively, and then

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more effective strategies are necessary to fill vacancies. The Auditor's

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Office reports quote the DMV's current reliance on temporary positions

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creates challenges. Temporary positions are harder to fill, they offer

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fewer benefits, and they result in additional training costs. Due

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to high turnover. Of the DMVs one hundred and forty

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two temporary examiner positions, ninety seven of them are vacant,

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which is two thirds. Two thirds of these positions are

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vacant because they're temporary jobs. Giving the DMV Commissioner flexibility

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to convert temporary positions to permanent roles and adjusting pay

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scales based on local labor market conditions may help attract

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and retain qualified examiners. Yeah, let me think about it.

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If you've got ninety seven positions that are not being

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filled because they are temporary, could you conceivably consolidate those

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down into like you cut it in half, let's say,

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and you've got like forty five or so full time

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positions instead of ninety seven temporary ones. You would at

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least have forty five positions that theoretically would be filled. Right,

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even though you've got fewer slots, they're all filled, so

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you would have actually more bodies. What else they say,

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Without addressing the workforce challenges, North Carolinians will continue to

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experience service delays, excessive weight times, and require multiple visits

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to driver license offices. The Office of the State Auditor

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anticipates that the final audit report will identify more details

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of staffing requirements, including driver license office locations where additional

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personnel will have the most immediate impact. The full audit

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is currently going through the Office of the State Auditor's

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quality control process and it will be shared soon with

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responsible officials as required by law. Okay, and so they're

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almost done, but they wanted this information out there.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: If you are somebody who has had to recently deal

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with the DMV, this is obvious that the North Carolina

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DMB is among the worst, if not the worst, in

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the country. And you know, the Republicans in charge of

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the legislature, they can try to address some of this stuff. Now,

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maybe they will do it this time, and funding is

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probably going to be a big part of it. So

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I'm not letting them off the hook. They've been running

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the legislature for over a decade, like they can devote

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more resources to the DMV. Now that being said, the

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guy who was in charge of the DMV was a

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political hack appointment, Wayne Goodwin. He was the former chairman

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of the North Carolina Democrat Party and he seemed completely

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unable to fix the problems in the DMV. So enough

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blame to go. But that was a Cooper appointment. And

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you know my feelings on Roy Cooper, my good friend Ray.

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Speaker 1: As I like to call him. What else.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's also legislation working through the General Assembly about

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HOA reform hoa's homeowners associations. There's a story in the

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Charlotte Observer by Nora O'Neill. A Charlotte resident who has

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spent years battling his HOA is now advocating for legislation

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that could change how similar disputes play out across the state.

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Jeffrey Baldwin, who faces foreclosure over unpaid HOA fees that

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he is fighting, is shifting his focus from his own

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legal battle to try to rally support for a bill

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that he hopes will prevent others from facing the same struggle.

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It's Senate Bill three seventy eight, which I have read

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through and seems like a good first step. There's a

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lot more that needs to be cleaned up. I have

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when I moved back to Charlotte, moved into our neighborhood

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and it has an HOA and I had lived in

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one house before with an HOA, but it was a

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very hands off HOA. I think we paid like two

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hundred dollars a year and they basically like did an

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Easter egg hunt event once a year and they cleaned.

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Speaker 1: Up some walking trails and that was it. That was all.

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Speaker 2: We had no amenities, there was nothing, you know. They

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planted flowers at the front entrance.

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Speaker 1: That was it. This HOA.

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Speaker 2: Much more. Well, we're still under builder control, and none

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of that is actually addressed in this legislation. That's why

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I say this is a good first step to rein

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in some of the abusive practices of hoas and management companies. Usually,

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it seems like these abuses occur when they are resident controlled,

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because when a builder is building their development, they maintain

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control of the HOA until they until they sell a

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certain number of units, and they get to determine what

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that number is.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them will go.

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Speaker 2: With like, you know, seventy percent or eighty percent of

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the units have been sold and then they start turning

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it over to the residents. But they can do one

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hundred percent. That's what mine is. They've been building my

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neighborhood for over twenty years. It's crazy. So residents have

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not been in control of the HOA for the entire

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length of the lifespan, and so there are other problems

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associated with that. But this bill, Senate Bill three seventy

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eight goes after some of the more egregious violations and abuses.

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So back to the Charlotte Observer story on Jeffrey Baldwin

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who was fighting with his HOA about fees that they

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were levying against him that he is disputing. Senate built

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three seventy eight. He is now championing. It has passed

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through the Senate sitting in the house. It would put

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a cap on the amount that a homeowner can be fined.

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It would require violation hearings. You'd have to go to

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a hearing, and it would prohibit hoas from profiting off

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of fines. That to me is the big one. That

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to me, is the biggest part of this legislation because

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you should not have an incentive for the HOA to

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be finding residents and the property management companies, some of

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them apparently get a cut of those fines for all

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the violations. So not only do you have an incentive

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to levy the fines, to violate, issue the violations, but

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then you also have an incentive to keep the homeowner

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in the dark about any potential finds that may be accruing,

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because if they don't pay the fine within a certain

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period of time, then they start getting fined like one

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hundred dollars a day in some cases, and that racks up,

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obviously very very quickly, and then you have to fight

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the HOA, which they've got much deeper pockets to fight

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you in court.

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Speaker 1: It would also.

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Speaker 2: Include new requirements for giving notice to a homeowner and

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would require mediation before any foreclosure proceedings. Supporters say the

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changes would offer more safeguards to homeowners navigating complex and

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costly disputes like the one that Baldwin is still fighting.

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He and his husband Levi Baldwin have been battling their

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HOA in northeastern Mecklenburg in a development called the Settlements

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Odd in.

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Speaker 1: The West Bank.

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Speaker 2: This is this is Northeastern Mecklimburg and the Association of

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therefore closed on their home in twenty twenty four. The

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dispute stems from unpaid fines that they accumulated from having

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a vehicle parked in their driveway.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of vehicle.

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Speaker 2: If it was like a broken down vehicle or something,

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or maybe it was an RV, I don't know, but

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it was in violation of the HOA rules. Baldwin said

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that he had no idea that he owed thousands of

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dollars in fines until he went to pay his annual

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membership to the HOA. This is why you got to

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keep you gotta. I don't know why you do it annually.

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I would beat, I would pay it monthly, but maybe

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they only send out one bill in a year, so

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they have a very, you know, low funding requirement.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But he goes to pay the mint the HOA fees

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annually and then he finds out he owes thousands and

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thousands of dollars. Now the HOA has sense agreed in

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court to drop the fines if he will pay his

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annual fees and the HOA attorney fees. Baldwin said he

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will not accept that, though he says the HOA should

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pay his attorney fees, which already total around ten thousand dollars.

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Baldwin has spoken to lawmakers, and Raleigh launched a website.

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It's called saferhoa dot com. He's asking people there to

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sign a petition and support of the legislation. The Senate

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bill would reshape the power that hoas have in North Carolina.

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Caps finds for violations at twenty five hundred dollars each

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and requires a hearing before fins can even be imposed.

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Baldwin said this would prevent cases like his, where he

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was unaware of the accumulation of the fines for a

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whole year. The bill also prevents hoas from foreclosing based

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solely on violation finds, and it requires the multiple written

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notices before filing a lean against a house because they

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can try to take your property as well. The bill

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requires meetings between hoas and homeowners before anything can even

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go to court. It's got bipartisan sponsors. It passed unanimously

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in the Senate. HOA reform has been difficult in North Carolina.

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According to The Charlotte Observer, which has previously reported that

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HOA lobbyists are often successful in blocking or stalling legislation

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that would limit the powers of hoas. There are around

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fourteen thousand hoas in North Carolina. That's a lot that

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hoas are actually the largest bipopulation, the largest political entity

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in America. There are more people serving on HOA bodies,

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and those bodies are political. I tell the people in

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my neighborhood this all the time. People volunteer. I volunteer

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do neighborhood stuff on the committees and stuff. These are

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political bodies. Yes, we're going through and we're trying to

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do stuff for the community and all of that. But

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you have to understand that there is a political element

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to this position, and people who are not good at

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politics should probably not be on HOA boards.

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Speaker 1: In fact, they definitely should not be on HA boards.

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Speaker 2: If you don't understand that, please do not join HA boards.

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Just stay on like a committee and help plan the

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Easter egg hunt and just do that.

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Speaker 1: All right. That'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: I could not do the show without your support and

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the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast,

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So if you'd like, please support them too and tell

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them you heard it here. You can also become a

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patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again,

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.

