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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We'd like to hear from you. Let's start with the

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tragic story of Irena Zartuska I think is how your

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pronounced her last name, who was murdered in cold blood

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on a Charlotte tram my man named Di Carlos Brown Junior,

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who had been in I believe prison fourteen times beforehand.

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The video itself is just horrific to watch. I don't

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know if you've watched the unedited video. There's so many

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angles to this story, and I think it's brought to

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for something that has been an issue that you know,

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the crime issue in America and murder and the Soros

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DA's and magistrates who release these prisoners, these terrible psychotic

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people back into society. And what makes it all gives

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it another layer of tragedy, is that this woman was

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a refugee from war. You know, when she came to

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the United states to build a life, and she was

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just just horrifically murdered. Anyway, I don't know. I don't

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even know where to start with this topic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost don't know where to start either. It

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is so horrible. I can't watch the actual full video,

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so I've seen snippets of it. I don't I don't

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have the personal ability to watch an actual murder. I

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don't want to do that. I don't even want it.

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Speaker 1: In my head.

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Speaker 2: But just seeing aspects of the video, how she was

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just a sitting duck for this violent, you know, evil person.

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Also disturbing is how she did not die immediately. She

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was kind of left alone to die by the other

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people on the tram, although some people did eventually help,

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like a minute and a half after the attack, which

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seems like a long time if you're bleeding out.

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Speaker 1: And can we talk about that for a second. There

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was this famous do you remember this famous story I

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think your name was genevese Kitty Genevez or something like

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that in Q Garden's Queen's or you know, from yeah,

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nineteen sixty three. No one helped her, and all that

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turned out wasn't exactly.

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Speaker 2: Exactly I was gonna say it turns out not to

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be a true.

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Speaker 1: Story, yeah, but still grabbed the attention of people because

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I think a lot of that does happen in big cities. Right. So,

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you know, if you were on the subway and you

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go to New York and especially years ago, there's crazy

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people on the subway, you kind of like avert your

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eyes and try to pretend they're not there. I'm not

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making an excuse for the people on that tram, but

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I can rationalize their thinking in the sense that they

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didn't exactly maybe know what was going on right away,

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and then finally when man came over, I think a

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minute and something into it. It is horrible that we

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act that way, but I think we've been sort of

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programmed to act that way because there are so many

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mentally ill people on public transit, so many scary people.

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Especially if you're let's say, a woman by herself or

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an elderly person, right, it's you feel a bit helpless anyway.

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I just want I'm not rationalizing, not justifying what happened there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's so much in play here, and I

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think one of the reasons why this story has captivated

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so many people and Also why so many people in

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the corporate media have rushed to suppress this story is

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because it gets into all sorts of things about our

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society that people are very conflicted about, things like whether

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you know One of the things I saw someone commenting

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on was about how Martin O'Malley had to apologize when

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he said that all lives matter during the heyday of

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the hysterical Black Lives Matter riots. We have an ideology

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that all lives don't matter, that certain lives are more

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valuable than others, and it's or that you know, that

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you're not allowed to care about certain people being killed.

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We had a complete nationwide hysteria freak out and massive

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transfer of wealth. We redistributed one hundred billion dollars from

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corporations to the Black Lives Matter movement and the causes

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it supports kind of a straight up extortion based on

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the idea that cops are just doing a genocide against

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black men, and that's not true to start with. It

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also kind of hid some difficult conversations about crime that

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we'd all kind of agreed not to talk about or

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not to you know, if you want to talk I

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don't actually think it's a good or healthy idea to

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talk about race and the commission of crimes. But if

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you're going to talk about it, it doesn't go in

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the way the BLM people want it to go, you know.

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And so you had this just insanity during the COVID

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days with the BLM, where you weren't even allowed to

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talk about what it's actually like to be a law

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abiding citizen at the hands of violent criminals of all

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races on the subway or whatever. We had the what

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was that horrific feminist movement to criminalize normal male behavior?

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What was that called me too?

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Speaker 1: Me too?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we had the me too thing, and that

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follows decades of radical feminist idiocy about saying that men

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using their testosterone for good is somehow evil. That we

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made it so that we took away the norm that

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men on subways stand up for women. You know, these

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kinds of like very delicate social things that we've built

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up over millennia to deal with the fact that evil

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exists and bad men exist, and women are vulnerable to

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you know, tiny little Ukrainian refugees are actually completely unable

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to defend themselves against violent sociopaths, psychopaths, whatever. I don't

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know what those words mean. And now it's all coming

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home to roost and it's horrific. So I understand what

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you're saying about like justifying it. You're not justifying it,

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you're explaining it. But the fact is that any man

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worth his salt would in fact, like looks at that

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video and says and things like I wish I could

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help out this poor woman, right, But we have made

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it so that that kind of activity is not only

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is it not encouraged, it's actively discouraged. That men think

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that they are protectors of women.

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Speaker 1: It's totally true. I remember, you know, being on the

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subway a lot and standing up, you know, for women

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who came in. You know. Now, I'm like, I feel

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like I'm old, like I should get to see it

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from the young women. But at the time, you know,

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I would stand up and I felt kind of weird

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doing it, like I maybe I'm doing something wrong here,

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or holding a door for women like a too long

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at waiting time, you know what I mean. I just

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felt like, and that I think grows into should I

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get up and protect this woman from someone who's aggressive,

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you know, towards her or whatever, And it doesn't have

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to be individuals, though there are individual heroes like that

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guy in the subway. I'm sorry, I forget his name,

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Daniel Perry. Was it Orny Henny who.

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Speaker 2: Was prosecuted for trying to protect people from someone like

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this individual?

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Speaker 1: It has to be a communal thing where it's not

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just one man who's strong and can handle someone like that,

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but a bunch of people, you know. I mean, it

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has to be something that society does, I think. But

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I wanted to go back to something you talked about,

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to racial elements of this, like George Floyd died. It

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is not analogous to what's happening here at all. And

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yet in that one everyone in the media, all institutions

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basically claimed there was a racial element to it, when

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I still don't see that racial element. The only racial

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element is that there was a black person being arrested

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in a white person arresting them. I've never seen them,

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but there.

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Speaker 2: Were four cops arresting him, and two weren't two black,

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one Asian, one white. And we transferred one hundred billion

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dollars of wealth into the pockets of the trans movement,

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the Palestinian movement, and radical racist ideologies like BLM because

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of this and the media push.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not saying there's never going to be

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a racist cop out there, but the majority of the

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big cases that this whole BLM thing revolved around had

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no racial component, meaning there were there's no evidence that

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the people the cops were acting in a racial way.

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But I think it's okay to talk about the racial

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element of crime in the sense that black people commit

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in you know, as far as their percentage of the population,

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a lot of crimes and a lot of homicides. I

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think it's like almost fifty percent. They are like twenty

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percent of the population. But the thing that we have

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to remember is that most of that criminality is actually

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directed at black people, that other black people are victims,

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and we should be their champions, Like there's no reason

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that should be happening in their society either. Like I

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don't know if this killer had a race. He seems

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like he was an unhinged killer and should have been

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in jail. I don't know if there's a racial element

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to it. I think it's okay to talk about that.

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I just don't want it to become predominantly about that now.

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Speaker 2: But the murderer did say after he killed. So there

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were people of different races on the tram he kills,

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including women who were sitting with empty seats behind them.

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He sits behind her, and then afterwards he says, I

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got the white girl. So I wouldn't say there's no

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racial element. Fine, yeah, he says he got the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Then I didn't. I honestly hadn't seen that. Okay, Fine,

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that's that's It's not fine, but it is. That's a fact.

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That's a fact. My point only is that when Donald

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Trump says I need to send troops to help Chicago

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deal with the crime problem, he's talking about criminality against

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black people in black communities, right, And you know, I

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think I see a lot of people say I'm all

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over the place because it's a big issue. But I

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see people say we don't need more cops. We just

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need to keep the people arrested in jail. And I

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think that that's true. But more cops also helps. It's

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a preventative measure. For I looked it up. So from

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this is an amazing stat to me, but from just

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because I know New York better than other cities, but

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from nineteen ninety to two, thousand RTE down here. The

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murder rate in New York City fell from two two

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hundred and forty five murders to six hundred and forty

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two murders, So thirty one per one hundred thousand people

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were killed in New York, which is an amazingly high

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number in nineteen ninety eight. In two thousand and you know,

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in that same timeframe, the police force uniform police officers

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went up from twenty thousand to forty thousand. So I

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think you need more cops on the streets, and you know,

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and the National Guard is doing the job of local

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communities like in Charlotte, like there should. I'm not saying

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you would have stopped this murder, but when cops are around,

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people act differently. I don't want to live in a

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police state, but.

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Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you. But in this case, this

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violent murderer had been arrested fourteen times, So it wasn't

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that cops weren't around to arrest him. It's that the

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justice system in North Carolina and Charlotte was organized in

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such a fashion as to constantly let him out to

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terrorize the population.

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Speaker 1: Again, No, I totally agree with that. Now that's not a.

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Speaker 2: Cop problem or a like number of cops problem. That

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is straight up a don't let people out after they

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have shown themselves to be living in a manner incompatible

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Speaker 1: Now, the coverage of this story was predictably in the sane.

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I'm going to read you a CNN headline. I feel

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like I do this every week. Here's how it goes.

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Have the lives of a Ukrainian refugee and a Charlotte

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man with a criminal history converged in a fatal stabbing.

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It's again, I hate to use the word Orwellian, but

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this is exactly what that word means. And I find

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it weird that the left takes the side of criminality.

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I don't even understand what they're doing with this. Why

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can't they simply say, of course this is horrible, Like

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they keep saying, oh, we only care about this because

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it's a white woman, and we only care about this

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because it was on video. Yes, sometimes there are incidents

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that like, That's why I was talking about Kitty Genevieve

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is that like enrage people and bring them together to

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try to do something about a problem that's widespread. And

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I just I don't understand their positioning at all as

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we know for a fact that this story is

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such a major global story because of the video, and

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the reason we know that is that she was actually

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murdered in late August, and the story didn't get going

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until the video was released. I do believe the officials

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in her city worked very hard to suppress the video

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from being out there. You know, you had the mayor

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thanking media corporations for participating in censorship of the story.

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Speaker 1: What you didn't see happened.

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Speaker 2: With the George Floyd killing. By the way, I want

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to say, I feel very similar about the George Floyd

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death in that I can't watch someone die. I don't

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want to watch someone die on video. But I saw

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enough about it to kind of understand the cop was

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using a hold on him that led to, you know,

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potentially led to his death. I should say he has

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been convicted of murder, and that cop I mean that

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cop is I think there's a very strong argument that

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he was a scapegoat for national hysteria Derek Chapin, and

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it's very awful. I think the way that people lost

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their minds and were unable to think rationally about that situation.

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I saw David French. I actually mute the term David

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French from my social media mentions, which is a wonderful thing.

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But somehow I still saw that he was saying, like,

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before he could express any opinion on Arena Zaruska, he

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had to say he had to reference Saint George Floyd,

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and it was actually kind of a disgusting reference. I think, yes,

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they're both people whose death was captured on camera. George

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Floyd was kind of a career criminal, career drug addict.

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He was not you know what, you want the men

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in your society to be.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Even though he received like state honors for his funeral,

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there is no argument that Arena Zaruska in any way

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led a life that could reasonably lead to this type

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of interaction with someone. You know, career criminals do have

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a lot of police interactions, and career criminals who are

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causing problems in their community for decades are going to

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have a lot of police interactions. Arena's roots. And then therefore,

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when you're being this way and you're also high on

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drugs and you are not taking care of your body

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because you're a career addict, you know you're going to

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have like a weakened body. Arena's Routsko is just completely

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innocent victim of a man. But it's not just the man.

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It's like the man and how people who are elected

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or appointed to protect citizens completely neglected their responsibilities or

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in some cases went out of their way to support

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crime and criminal behavior. And so what I mean there

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is like the Democrat Party is well funded by George

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Soros and his entities that can be both you know, directly,

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but also mostly through all these nonprofit organizations that work

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as arms of the Democrat Party. George Soros had a plan,

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like in two thousand and eight, I think it was

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to take over all the secretaries of states of different

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states so that he could weaken election rules to help Democrats,

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and it was a very effective strategy. He followed that

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up with an effort to put in what are called

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Soros prosecutors, soft on crime, horrific on victims type, people

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who would enact racial justice through being soft on crime.

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And he put a lot of money into this project.

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He got a lot of left wing Democrat das elected

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and other people to support this, and our cities are

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being destroyed by these Soros prosecutors. So when I see

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this man, you know, killing this innocent woman, it's not

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just about that individual. It's also about people in power

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who went out of their way to enable this kind

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of situation, And it's like, what do you do with

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people like that? I don't think the Democrat Party or

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their funders can be trusted really to have a role

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in in our governing affairs. Like it's really nefarious what

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they've done. People are dying, and it's not just the murders.

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It's also sorry that I'm going on so long here,

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but I think one of the reasons why this resonates

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with people. I rode the subway twice today and I'm

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pretty alert person. A lot of the bad part about

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riding the subway is not about risk of being murdered.

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It's about like a million things leading up to that,

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do you know what I mean? Like it's bad to

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be with people who are urinating on your car, or

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who are just acting crazy or who are being aggressive.

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You know, they might not murder you, but it's still

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a very bad experience. And so I think this resonated

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with a lot of people because the reason why you

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worry about someone getting in your face in a subway

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car is because you're worried that they're going to murder you.

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You might not get murdered, but that's that's the whole

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breakdown of society.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 2: It kind of legitimizes all this fear that people have

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been walking around with because of how horribly our cities

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are run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean on the Soros prosecutors, you blame Soros,

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you say it's evil. I agree with all that, But

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what about the voters. Voters elect these people. They deserve

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to be condemned as well. I mean, they've got you

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an elect in New York City's going to elect Momdani

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probably who is a socialist who's wanted to defund the places,

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not in some you know, not in theory, but legitimately

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take money away from the police force. He said stuff

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like jailing criminals just makes people feel good, it doesn't

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help or whatever. He said. They deserve it as well.

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There's nothing people think like we say prosecutors are soft

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on crime, but it's not exactly right to say that.

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What it is is that certain prosecutors do something that's

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incredibly authoritarian, which is allow people they've decided to be

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soft on out of jail. And others not so like

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in New York what's that guy's name? I forget, But

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the prosecutor in New York City, for instance, let's rioters

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do what they want, but then prosecute, yeah, Alvin Bragg,

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but prosecutes bodega owners who defend themselves. I'm saying there's

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another It's worse than just being soft on crime. It's

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it's authoritarian in a way. I don't know Charlotte that well.

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I do know these magistrates that allow these people out

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of prison don't even have a law of degrees. Now,

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I'm not saying lawyers are great or they do any

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better better, but it seems like they're just activist. Now, again,

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having a degree doesn't make we know that you could

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go to Harvard and be terrible and have a PhD in.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I just I think the judge, the judge in question,

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who most recently helped this guy get out so that

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he could kill Arena Zuritska, she does have a law

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degree from a like a diploma mill law school that's

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considered widely considered the worst law school in America. But

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she she does have, I believe, a law degree. I

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had read that she had not passed the bar. Again.

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Neither of these things are required to be a magistrate judge,

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and I'm not even sure if they should be. My

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bigger concern with her is that she has a severe

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conflict of interest. She's part of the criminal rehabilitation complex

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that doesn't actually rehabilitate criminals, but she like is involved

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with an organization that gets money to supposedly rehabilitate criminals,

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and so for her to be involved in letting people

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out when she personally benefits from it, to me, that's

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a major problem.

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Speaker 1: I'm not against rehabilitating criminals. I think it's important, but

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jails for punishment, not rehabilitation. Rehabilitation is the secondary reason.

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Speaker 2: Mark was pointing out that the first job of our

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criminal justice system should be to protect the law abiding citizens.

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Yes you want to be a humanitarian in how you

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are handling criminals, or yes you want to work on

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rehabilitation that those are fine things to also be concerned about,

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but they cannot come even close to harming the actual goal,

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which is to protect the citizenry, and we have gone

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like one hundred and eighty degrees in the opposite direction.

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I feel like where we are justice industry seems mostly

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about protecting criminals and doing very little to protect law

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abiding citizens.

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Speaker 1: Recidivism is major. I mean, it's a small group of

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people that are constantly involved in criminals. So obviously if

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you put them in prison and keep them there, crime

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will go down. In my view, at least it seems.

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And again I pointed that this out many times. It

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used to be a lot worse. It used to be

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many more murders. But not only does that not matter

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to someone living today, they shouldn't have to live with

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this kind of thing anyway. But doesn't it feel like

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our trajectory is going in a bad direction back to

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how it used to be. I mean, that's how I

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feel when I go to cities today. I feel like

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I'm constantly being surrounded by you know, mentally ill people,

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drug addicts, beggars. That is the first sign of something

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bad happening in society.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how big of a deal it

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would be to reverse course, though, Like I just mentioned,

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I rode the subway twice today, and recently Washington, d C.

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Did this revolutionary thing of not encouraging people to break

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the law and ride the subway for free, which they

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had been doing They were like, I mean, paying for

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the Metro is something we expect law abiding people to do.

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But if you're not, you just hop the turnstile and

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it's no big deal. And they recently changed their system

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so that they discourage that, and it made it makes

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the subway experience so much better, you know, like it's

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just worse.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in New York they weren't even enforcing that law.

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I'm not even sure if they're enforcing it now. Now.

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What happens as a guy jumps the turnstile. Next thing

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is like, you know what, there's no cops around to

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do what I want. Maybe I'll grab that woman's purse

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and then, you know, and it grows and grows, and

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others see that there's anarchy on the subway anyway. So

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it's horrible, you know, watching that video, it's just the

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anger I feel watching it and that poor woman who's defenseless,

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no one helping her against this monster. And yeah, like

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Chicago mayor says, there's always crime in urban areas. Yeah

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that doesn't mean we have to say it's okay in

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live with it. And it just feels like Trump's the

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only one saying that we should do something that every

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urban mayor is like, there's no problem. I just don't

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even understand how they can take that position.

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et cetera. Well, I do think that Democrats have a

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serious problem here, Like a lot of people are looking

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around going crime is such an obvious issue that so

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many people care about. I think we talked last week

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that there was a poll that showed that eighty percent

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of Americans think crime in cities is a major problem.

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Nineteen percent think it's just like a problem problem, and

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one percent think it's not a problem at all.

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Speaker 1: But it's worse than that. Not Americans, people in Washington

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and you people in the cities think that you know, I'm saying,

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it's not like some suburban person like thinks that the

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city still but like when.

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Speaker 2: You're in a ninety nine to one issue, you would think,

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what in the world is going on with Democrats fighting

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an effort to push back on crime. Also, just historically,

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I feel like we always have these this pendulum swinging

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back and forth between too much favorability toward criminals and

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then being too like too much power to the police.

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And we are we have swung so far into the

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direction in favor of criminality that it's kind of shocking.

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And you know, we referenced you just said, like they're

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voting for these people. Oh, I do want to say, yes,

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they're voting for these people. But cities were the first

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place I mentioned how Soros and other Democrat donors had

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worked to weaken election laws in areas they controlled, in

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states they controlled, in cities they controlled. And that is

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important in the sense that one of the metrics for

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winning elections used to be how excited you got people

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to vote for you, Like you actually had to show

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up on election day, and if people didn't really care

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that much, they didn't show up. Right, already have the

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situation where cities are overwhelming the Democrat and controlled by

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the Democrat Party, but with the changes to election laws,

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from voter interest into who has the most money to

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spend on ballot operations that may have literally nothing to

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do with voter interest. You start being able if you

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have enough money to push through initiatives or people based

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solely on your ability to get a ballot into the

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ballot box. I'm not even talking about fraud, although obviously

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fraud is a problem when you're having unsupervised voting, but

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it's also just about being able to run an operation

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that doesn't reflect the actual voter interest. Does that make sense,

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Like I mean, if you don't have to show up.

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If someone says, hey, I ordered this ballot for you.

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I came to your house. By the way, I'm your

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church leader or leader of your immigrant group, or your boss.

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Please fill it out and then I'll take it back

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to the mailbox for you. It's not really It's not

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a free and fair elections situation. And so that's why

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people who care about election integrity are so important, I think,

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because you can have really nefarious consequences to moving from

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voter interest into ballot operations.

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Speaker 1: I hear everything you're saying, but we shouldn't gloss or

482
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whitewash the fact that that urban people vote for crackpots,

483
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,519
socialists all the time whatever, you know, despite all of that,

484
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and I always want to say, well, they deserve what

485
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you deserve, the democracy that you get. But then I

486
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see someone murdered and I'm like, this is ridiculous. It

487
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should not be happening on the.

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Speaker 2: Democrat Party issue though you know, this is happening at

489
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a very bad period of time for them, in that

490
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voters are very frustrated with Democrat governance of cities, even

491
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if they're about to elect Mom, Donnie and other you

492
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know radicals. But the left wing base of the Democrat

493
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Party is so left wing, the donor base of the

494
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Democrat Party is so left wing. It makes it hard

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to have a course correction on their support for violent crime.

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Does that make sense? Like they their fringe base wants

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to be even softer on crime right now. So how

498
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do you get everyone to be kind of like more

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reasonable when the people who are your activists are not

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reasonable at all?

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Speaker 1: You win elections, I mean a success everyone follows. Donald

502
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Trump wins an election, the entire right takes the shift

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and moves it in a different direction. You know, the

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institutions all that can still I think change that dynamic

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with a victory somewhere, but you're going in the opposite

506
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,960
direction with Mom, Donnie or whoever Minneapolis has. I think

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some socialist guy running right who's probably going to win.

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So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the Democrat Party isn't in such a

510
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,400
bad place. And I'm not saying that they're not going

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to win a bunch of elections in the next year.

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They will, but when you look at the long term,

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longer term or like midterm health of the party, they're

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having some issues. And I wonder if they're not primed

515
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:43,920
for a Donald Trump style takeover in their own party. Meaning, yes,

516
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they have some political talent. We've talked about Gavin Newsom

517
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being being a good like for them, a good political talent,

518
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but they need some shaking up, and they have such

519
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,839
central control at party headquarters, like it's insane to remember

520
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,880
that it was just what a year plus ago that

521
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they've prohibited a real primary from taking place against a

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president who they probably would have been well served to

523
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allow a primary. I think that would have made them stronger. Sorry,

524
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,720
incumbents who face primary challenges rarely win. I think eighty

525
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percent of the time they they lose but the central

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control of the Democrat Party has kept some much needed

527
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freshening from happening. And if it's if they keep on

528
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being that restrictive, I think they might risk having an outsider,

529
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like a celebrity or just someone who is not beholden

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to the Democrat Party machine coming in and taking over

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the party and forcing some reforms, much like Donald Trump

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did the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: I think the establishment Democrat Party Democratic Party is completely empty.

534
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It's like a vast They have no new ideas, they

535
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have no energy. That vacuum needs to be filled. So

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say what you will about socialism, it's an ethos, and

537
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,359
I think that that is filling filling that vacuum. There

538
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is no excitement there, there are new ideas. Now, this

539
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happens to every party. I think after a while you

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run out ideas, like if even if you go back

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to the to the rise of Reagan, which was a

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decade or two in the making. Incidentally, I think that

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the emptiness of the then dominant liberal Republican Party was

544
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filled and then you had Donald Trump. But the same

545
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,960
thing happens. So the problem is that you can get

546
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,400
something pretty radical right now. I think I've said this before.

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But the left wants its own Donald Trump right. The

548
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,960
left wants its own populace movement. But the problem is

549
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they completely misunderstand I think Trump's appeal which is much

550
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,880
more common sense, moderate than radical populist right, and they're

551
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,680
far too ideological. I don't think it's going to work. Yeah,

552
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I think they're gonna win some elections. I just think

553
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that's the way of America. A bunch of people vote Democrats,

554
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and then when Republicans are in power, they're mad about

555
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stuff to go the other way. It happens all the time,

556
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But there is an emptiness there, like what does what

557
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,960
does Gavin Newsom or anyone else stand for other than

558
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,559
just stamp being anti Trump? When I look at ads

559
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:24,160
on TV against Republican candidates, it's always talking about Trump.

560
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I don't know how. I just don't think that that's

561
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the makings of successful, successful movement for Democrats. So I

562
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also wonder what's going to happen after Trump's gone for

563
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both parties. But we're going to have to see. But yeah,

564
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and doesn't it seem very much like the socialist Party,

565
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like you say, has taken over the donor class too.

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Not so the establishment itself is already sort of socialistic,

567
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and now you have the activist class that way, there's

568
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there's not going to be any competing force really other

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than some of the elected officials.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say on that. Tim Carney had

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a great tweet pointing out that the donor class of

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the Demo Party is that they're far left, and it

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makes people who are Democrat think that the donor class

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for the Republican Party is at the far right. It's

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actually not true. The donor class of the Republican Party

576
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is also like at the left part of their party.

577
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It's just something to keep in mind when evaluating parties

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that they're not complete mirror images. Sometimes they're dealing with

579
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,000
exactly the same phenomenon, but it affects each party differently.

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of a two party system. People always

581
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complain about it, but I think it creates coalitions of

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right and left typically, and maybe that the dynamics of

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that changes sometimes. But I think there's a donor class.

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They have certain interests, there's a populist, you know, activist class.

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They have certain interests, and usually you find some candidate

586
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that can balance those interests and run. If you all

587
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are on the same side, which is kind of a

588
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socialistic side that's going to pour ten poorly. I mean,

589
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there was a chance, right that Bernie Sanders could have

590
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won an open primary last time or even before that,

591
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,519
right like, it was close and he is would be

592
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the most radical major candidate who ever ran.

593
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Speaker 3: How is September the worst month of the year for

594
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Government agencies have to spend every single dime by the

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end of September plus take out more debt for another

599
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cr In the last forty eight days, the federal debt

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is up by a trillion. We have a severe debt problem.

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Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

602
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it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's always a down or to talk about

607
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,679
such a horrible event, but hopefully we can make things

608
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a little better. Let's talk now about the Israeli strike

609
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yesterday on Qatar and Doha catt everyone says, I don't know.

610
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I like to see kuitar. I was surprised that it happened,

611
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but I thought it should have happened seven hundred days ago.

612
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I liken it too, so I should say the Israelis

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precision bombed the headquarters of Hamas in the capital, really

614
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the only city in Qatar. And we're not exactly sure

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who they got who they didn't. It doesn't really matter

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to me that much. I think the key is that

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Hamas leaders shouldn't feel safe anywhere. I don't believe Donald

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Trump's condemnation of Israel at all. I think he gave

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the green light. I think he knew about it. The

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people who they hit were not diplomats. They all had

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promised forever war against civilians and Jewish people. Israel has

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a right to go after those people who were billionaires

623
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sitting in five star hotels in Qatar, not only fighting

624
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this war against pavilions. They had celebrated the murder of

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six civilians in Jerusalem the other day, But they are

626
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condemned their own people to destitution and tragedy, you know.

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And we went after Bin Laden in Pakistan. There's no

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reason this zu should be able to go after these

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people in Qatar. I think this does change the dynamic

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because the entire point and tactic and strategies of these

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people is martyrdom of their own people to bring the

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world to their side, which is working, and Israel can't

633
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allow that. They have to finish this thing. I don't know.

634
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Those are my initial thoughts on it. What did you think?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 2: I am sorry about this, but I'm a little unclear

637
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on what the status of negotiations were in terms of

638
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:51,920
brokering an end to the war, Like why were the

639
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Hamas leaders in Qatar?

640
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Speaker 1: Why were they in Qatar? They have been in Qatar

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for a long time, even before October seventh. I think

642
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most of these leaders were in Qatar because they're safe there,

643
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or they thought they were safe and that they, you know,

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would not be assassinated by Israelis in Gaza, and that

645
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they could pretend to negotiate. By the way, on the

646
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what's today That today is the tenth On the seventh,

647
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Israel agreed to a cease fire deal. They rejected it.

648
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Donald Trump said on Twitter that this was the last

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chance for them to make a deal and that this

650
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was his final word on it. The next day they

651
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took responsibility for killing six Israeli civilians. The day after that,

652
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Israel attacked them. This fake, drawn out diplomacy that they're

653
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:52,639
involved in would mean, you know, it's just meant to

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continue this thing and allow them to survive. Do you

655
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know what I'm saying? So there is no diplomat that

656
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sits at a table negotiating and says, as soon as

657
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we can, we're going to do October seventh again to you,

658
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which is what one of the leaders there said. I

659
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don't understand what your question there was, like, what was

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their purpose there?

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Speaker 2: Well, I like to study original sources here, and I

662
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don't have original sources, so I'm going based on Like

663
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you know, I follow a wide variety of people on

664
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Twitter see different perspectives on this. And one of the

665
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things that someone who had found to be somewhat reasonable

666
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on this topic like definitely not as pro Israel as

667
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I am, but not like cartoonishly on pro Israel and

668
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said something about Hamas was actually in Cutter to work

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on negotiations. But maybe that's just completely not true because

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I don't worry. Okay, Well, I mean I.

671
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Speaker 1: Now go on, I'm just saying I think that's true.

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I mean, they were ostensibly there for that. Oh they were, Yeah,

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they were at the negotiating table.

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Speaker 2: So that seems like not a great thing, right to

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murder people while they're at a negotiating table.

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Speaker 1: Let me put it this way. Imagine if you can,

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in two thousand and two, Al Qayeda is up and

678
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is down in Kankun in the five star hotels with

679
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the headquarters there, claiming that they want to negotiation. First

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of all, the only reason there are negotiations here is

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because they took hostages and the Israelis.

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Speaker 2: By the way, David, the thing that annoys me so

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much is everyone's like, this is a horrific genocide. This

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is the worst, like that what Israel's doing is so

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beyond the pale that it's the worst thing we've ever

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seen in history. Okay, so why are you not releasing

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the hostages or the bodies of the hostages? Like it

688
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doesn't even even Japan did an unconditional surrender at some point, right,

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and they were pretty resistant to that. It's just hard

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for me to take seriously that Hamas is really working

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here to make up for what they did. On October seventh,

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when they're literally doing nothing right. They're not doing the

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one thing they could easily do.

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Speaker 1: They are doing the thing that they want to do,

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which is this. Sin More said this, the martyrdom of

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his people is what he wanted to do. But the thing.

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Speaker 2: Is this, do these you said, imagine al Qaedaz in

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Mexico City. I think the context would matter, was this,

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like Mexico had said, why don't you come here, we

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can talk, You'll be protected. You know, we need to

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get you out of the place where the US is

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bombing you right now so that you can have like

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actual get work done. We'll protect you, and then we

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bomb Mexico. That would be that would be a problem.

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Speaker 1: Right, What if Mexico was funding What if Mexico made

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nine to eleven possible by bringing not only funding Hamas

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but have bringing in Iranian funding for Hamas and being

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the conduct That's.

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Speaker 2: What you're saying about Cutter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying about Guitar. By the way,

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you mentioned the general idding of nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: You got Saudi Arabia, but we still treat them as

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a non hostile entity, you know, But then Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: I don't under I don't understand the funding mechanisms there.

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If individuals funded al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia who were

716
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,559
part of the royal family, whatever it was, I think

717
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,559
Saudi Arabia once nine to eleven happened, helped us in

718
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,840
many ways, right. I don't know what we should have

719
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,719
done was right, where what we did was right or not.

720
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,840
Qatar has this ridiculous position of playing both sides all

721
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,480
the time to it's a country of three hundred thousand

722
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,599
people with a bunch of slaves basically working for them

723
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,760
to lift themselves up as this power, and I don't

724
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,440
think it's the same thing as far as the I

725
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,519
just want to reiterate this. The genocide thing is a hoax.

726
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,960
There is no genocide there, as you've mentioned, and I

727
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:16,039
think they've been incredibly successful in convincing the world there is.

728
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,079
I was a member for a few days, Molly of

729
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:25,639
the International Association of Genocide Scholars I joined kicked me out,

730
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:28,960
but as an expert on this, the BBC said, we

731
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,440
are leading experts on this. I'm telling you there is

732
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,239
no genocide. But anyway, so one last thing on the

733
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,840
al Qaeda thing, We did get bin Laden without permission

734
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,480
from an ally in Pakistan. We did the same thing

735
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:53,400
that they did. The people in Guitar who were just

736
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,360
killed are all on the United States Justice Department. They're

737
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,519
all sanctioned as terrorist. Everyone who maybe died, maybe didn't.

738
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,920
We're sanctioned by our own government as terrorists. We shouldn't

739
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,519
be mad at Israel for undermining Katari sovereignty. We shouldn't

740
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,840
be mad at Katar for harboring people that we admit

741
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,159
are terrorists who killed forty one American citizens who signed

742
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,280
off on the killing to.

743
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,599
Speaker 2: Say harboring, right, yeah, but they were public about hosting

744
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,199
these people, right yeah, So well, isn't there a difference, David,

745
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:35,679
between Pakistan lying and or not lying, but like not

746
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,639
really doing a good job of looking for bin Laden

747
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,199
and not being a you know that that was a

748
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,800
bin Laden was in hiding. The Moss people were not

749
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,239
in hiding. They were there for diplomatic reasons. You might

750
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,719
question their good faith, and I think there's good reason too,

751
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,920
but it's it's it's a bit tricky, Like I'm not

752
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,039
saying it's wrong, it's just there are costs associated with

753
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:10,960
what Israel did, and well, it can sour relations between

754
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,599
so they did notify the United States that they were

755
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:17,800
planning to take this action. Trump said that he immediately

756
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:22,360
directed Steve Witkoff to tell the Katari officials, and that

757
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,480
Wickcoff didn't do it immediately, but he did, and by

758
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:32,880
the time he told them, the attacks were already underway.

759
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,199
It is a you know, it's a sovereign country with

760
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,760
its own rules, and to do this type of strike

761
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,679
inside that country is a hostile action. I mean, I

762
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,719
don't think Cutter is great. I don't actually think any

763
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:52,440
of the Middle Eastern countries are great, but you do

764
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:56,199
have to work with them, and so it can cause

765
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,320
people to be less I'm just.

766
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,639
Speaker 1: What if I told you this, What if I told

767
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:04,039
you this. Here's my theory, And honestly, I don't toot

768
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:05,960
my own horn, but I think my theories about what's

769
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,480
been going on have been okay. What if Katar knew

770
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,320
about this and knew it was going to happen, because

771
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,599
they want to now disassociate themselves without from Hamas, without

772
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,800
losing face after this last negotiation fell through. What if

773
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,360
the President of the United States says this stuff but

774
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,960
totally gave the green light I don't for a second

775
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,159
believe that Israel sent fighters into Katar a few miles

776
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:35,880
away from a US military installation without the President of

777
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,559
the United States signing off on it. I just a

778
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,679
Trump signing. I just don't believe that that could possibly

779
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,840
be true. And what if Saudi Arabia or some other

780
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,559
Arab country helped Israel fly the thousand, four hundred miles

781
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,239
with its fighters that would have to get They could

782
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,679
not do it without refueling somewhere. Help them do it,

783
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:59,920
either in Syria, possibly Syria, or possibly Saudi Arabia. Saira

784
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:04,039
was contemplating building a few years ago building a moat

785
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:11,000
around Qatar. They hate them so much. Yes, every Arab country, Yeah,

786
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,039
is the Saudi Arabians had not allowed Katari planes to

787
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,840
go over their airspace until like last year. Like they

788
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,199
there was a huge breakup between those countries. Most of

789
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,800
the Gulf States hate Guitar because it is friendly with Iran,

790
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,119
which is their mortal enemy and that region.

791
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,639
Speaker 2: In their defense, they're trying to be the Switzerland of

792
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:36,199
the Middle East, right like they're trying to play friendly

793
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,599
with opposing sides.

794
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Quitar in another way as well. They

795
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,280
drop literally, like everything everyone says about Apak and Jewish

796
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,400
control is literally what Qatar does have. They have dropped

797
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:53,400
tens of billions of dollars into our schools to to

798
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:58,440
normalize radical ideas and Islamism. They have dropped tons of

799
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,639
money into our institutions. They drop tons of money into

800
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,639
our think tanks. God knows how many of these influencers

801
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:08,199
online are paid by Katar. You saw that story about

802
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,079
India paying a couple of those influences, and they all

803
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,519
were like out there being pro India all of a sudden.

804
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,360
I mean, Qatar almost surely does that as well. I

805
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,360
mean we know the Wall Street Journal reporter. We just

806
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,400
don't know who they are. Not our friend, I think

807
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,360
in any any real way, And I don't know for me.

808
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: When I look at this, oppose countries doing that, you

809
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,920
just oppose Cutter.

810
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't think all countries are the same.

811
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,559
I have no problem with countries trying to make their

812
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:44,599
case to the American people that we should be friends

813
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,400
with them, that we should do something with them. But

814
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:50,880
the secretive way in which Qatar does that and the

815
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,360
ideas which they want us to express, yeah, I have

816
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,840
a problem with that I as a journalistic person, you know,

817
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,920
as a writer, I would never take a penny from

818
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,719
any country ever, or actually any industry ever in that way.

819
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,840
I mean unless maybe they put an ad on something

820
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,159
I was doing or whatever.

821
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:15,079
Speaker 2: What about would you go on a trip sponsored by.

822
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: Only good countries? Probably? But I haven't done that either.

823
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: I mean I think, like, as long as you're being

824
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,239
open about what you've gotten, I think.

825
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,559
Speaker 1: I know a lot of these groups go to trips

826
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,880
to Israel. People go on trips to Israel, which I

827
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,199
think is a good thing because I think Israel is

828
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,599
a free and excellent place. I would never take a

829
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:36,079
penny from Qatar to go there like people do.

830
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,119
Speaker 2: Really, so like as long I mean, would you change

831
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:41,440
your mind based on it?

832
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:42,079
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

833
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 2: Like why not?

834
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:47,119
Speaker 1: Like I think think there are evil people over there.

835
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,599
I think the royal family there is evil, and I

836
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:51,599
would not take a penny from them. It has nothing

837
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:54,480
really to do Like if I got to I want

838
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,159
to make sure that I'm that I'm not taking money

839
00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:58,880
from people I think or evil. I love this thing

840
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,519
where they're like, oh well Israel, Yeah, but Israel's not

841
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,519
the same. You can go to Israel there's a guy

842
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,239
Owen Jones I think is his name. It's just this

843
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,599
complete antie as or I think, an anti semi in England,

844
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,159
a huge journalist there. He's an israel now and he's

845
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:12,360
tweeting all kinds of terrible things about Israel. I mean,

846
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,519
Israel is generally a free country, and as free as

847
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:18,639
I wish it, it could be not to say that

848
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,079
in Qatar, Christianity's outlaw. You cannot you know, the idea

849
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,440
that these things are the same and that they're both

850
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:30,119
just our allies. It's not true. In the same way

851
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,440
I think there's a moral listen. I get people turning

852
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,159
against Israel and stuff. That doesn't change my mind about stuff.

853
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:38,639
I don't care that young people don't like Israel. It

854
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:41,840
doesn't change the truth, and I can just continue to

855
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,880
make those arguments. But anyway, I just don't understand why

856
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,719
if the Canadians had imperial Japanese generals there while we

857
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,840
were finding an Oka now, that we would allow that.

858
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:55,280
I just don't think that we would. These are not diplomats.

859
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,239
These people signed off on the murder of a thousand,

860
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,079
two hundred people.

861
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: You have that's to distinguish between them harboring people illicitly

862
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:11,039
and hosting like a diplomatic meeting. But I really am

863
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,320
enjoying your points and I'm loving your theory that like

864
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,840
the other countries went along with this because they realize

865
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,159
Hamas is a huge problem and they you know, I

866
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:22,800
think I have no idea the validity of it, but

867
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,840
I find it interesting.

868
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:30,159
Speaker 1: Validity is excellent. The sterling the Hamas. People don't realize,

869
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,719
or many people don't realize, is Muslim brotherhood. That's where

870
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,960
they come from. That's what they are. That's why they're

871
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,239
outlawed in Egypt. That's why Egypt closed its border, does

872
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:46,239
not allow them. In Saudi Arabia, is Muslim brotherhood is

873
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,159
the enemy of the royal family. They do. They hate

874
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,400
that guitar hosts those people, and I don't buy that.

875
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,079
They're not super happy about this bombing.

876
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,119
Speaker 2: Okay, is it too far afield to ask you what

877
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:05,239
you think about the Venezuelan boat bombing. No, Okay, So

878
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,000
when you think about that, because it's kind of to

879
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,159
me it's kind of related, you know, Western interests are

880
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:14,360
military going down and bombing them.

881
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: I have many thoughts on it. I mean, I have

882
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,800
conflicting thoughts. I guess i'd say I think the United

883
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,920
States has every right. I just preface this whole thing

884
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,119
by saying I don't believe in international law. I don't

885
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:32,480
think it's a real thing. I did not if you don't,

886
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,199
if it does not adhere to the Constitution, if it

887
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,159
does not adhere to our ability to participate and make

888
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:42,480
I don't think that Russia and China have any right

889
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,519
to decide what the United States, the people of the

890
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:51,000
United States do or don't do. Okay, I'm fine with

891
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,960
bombing and Narco ship out in the sea. I just

892
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,920
want us to be careful about how we use that power,

893
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,280
because it can be abused. You know, I was not

894
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:07,880
crazy when Barack Obama droned an American citizen, even though

895
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,840
that Americans. Do you remember that store?

896
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:10,119
Speaker 2: You know?

897
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, not because the guy probably didn't deserve it, but

898
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,920
because Barack Obama could easily say that about anyone he

899
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,960
wanted to abroad, you know what I mean. So I

900
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,639
think we have to just think about the way we

901
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,639
use power. I have no reason to believe that we

902
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,480
weren't right in bombing that in you know, destroying that ship,

903
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,199
and I'm okay with it. But maybe there needs to

904
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,119
be a process that we go through that doesn't just

905
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,119
rely on the decisions of a single man, the president

906
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,119
doing it. I don't know, does that make any sense?

907
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It's kind of interesting to me,

908
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,800
just like as a topic area the open seas, what

909
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,199
laws apply, how to handle it. It's an old issue

910
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:59,639
for the United States, you know, going back to piracy.

911
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:08,119
I like a US foreign policy posture that's more focused

912
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:13,360
on our region than far away regions. So I don't mind.

913
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,400
Like seems like we've been pivoting a little bit back

914
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:20,760
to caring about what's happening in South America and Central America.

915
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:26,280
I think that's good. And I am more hawkish on

916
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,159
some of that stuff than I am when we're talking

917
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:29,920
about far afield areas.

918
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: Surprised to hear you use the word hawkish. I know.

919
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: I hate that word. That word. Why did you?

920
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,039
Speaker 1: We don't have a better word?

921
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: I think right now, I think that what some of

922
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,320
these countries are doing to our people, like it's just

923
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,840
a more direct threat sometimes like the allowance of drugs

924
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,039
through Mexico or you know, other issues like that, and

925
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,119
that we should be more aggressive toward them. But I do.

926
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,960
I thought that I like Rand Paul a lot, but

927
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:07,119
I thought him referring to to kill a mockingbird in

928
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,760
this case was very you know, he tweeted out that

929
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,639
these people had due process rights that were violated and

930
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,159
that we should read to kill a mockingbird, to kill

931
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,079
a mockingbird. I was talking to a friend who said

932
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:21,239
that to kill a mockingbird is like the book version

933
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,199
of World War Two. It's the only thing some people

934
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,760
know or reference when they're talking about due process, and

935
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,559
it doesn't really seem to be a fitting descriptive, a

936
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:36,719
fitting reference for this situation. But I'm glad we're doing

937
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,239
We're being more aggressive about being about the way other

938
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,719
countries are handling what they're what they're sending our way.

939
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it felt like a warning to me more

940
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,440
than anything that's going to change. I mean, it's within itself,

941
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,280
the dynamics of what's going on. There's this other area

942
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,679
of this debate where JD. Van's is out there saying

943
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,199
we can't let these people poin on us and so on,

944
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,440
and I agree with that in you know, I agree

945
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,480
with that, But something I never hear anyone say anymore

946
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:10,920
is like, hey, also, you should stop doing drugs, like

947
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,280
you should take care of yourself. There's no self, there's

948
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,920
no self responsibility in our rhetoric anymore, and it drives

949
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,239
me crazy. I know, it's a weird tangential thing to

950
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,079
care about here, but there's a way to avoid overdosing

951
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,239
on drugs, and that is not to do them in

952
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,840
the first place. And once we you know, then they'll

953
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,159
have no one to sell it to. I now people

954
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:35,800
think that that's so Jejune, but yeah, just bothers me.

955
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 2: Ah men, what did happen to that? You know, people

956
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,280
are like, oh, you could you could take this weed

957
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,519
once and it would be laced with fentanyl, which is true.

958
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,119
And also maybe think about your drug consumption.

959
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do it. I think it's a problem that

960
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:54,960
we don't ever make people take responsibility for their choices.

961
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:56,719
Like if they're not doing well in life, it's some

962
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,679
big corporation's ruining. If you're doing this, it's you know,

963
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,199
it's the Mexican drug warlords, you know. I mean, I'm

964
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:04,559
not saying those aren't problems. They are, but at some

965
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:06,840
point you have to take responsibility for yourself.

966
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,159
Speaker 2: This might be a weird transition, but I was thinking

967
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,840
that when I was reading that brief excerpts of Kamala

968
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,880
Harris's new book, Did you see this part where she

969
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,239
said that she couldn't really say anything to Joe Biden

970
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,239
about how he shouldn't run again because it would be

971
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,880
viewed as self serving and what like? At what point

972
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:34,199
do you take responsibility for yourself and for your leadership role?

973
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,639
If not, then yes, Okay, this thing I need to

974
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,199
say I'm not going to say because it might be

975
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,719
viewed poorly. That's me every day. Every day I have

976
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,920
to go say things publicly while my supposed peers are

977
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,199
mocking me. It's not fun. I don't love doing it.

978
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,239
I just have to do it because I have this

979
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,840
position where I get to go on TV and say

980
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,039
uncomfortable truths. If I were to say, like, oh I

981
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,360
if I say it this way, people will think that I'm,

982
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,800
you know, a reflexive Trump supporter. Yeah, I guess what

983
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,199
they're going to But it doesn't mean that you're weak

984
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,000
and that you don't say it. You still have to

985
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:16,079
say the true thing, even though you know all these

986
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,199
like weird DC types will make fun of you. And

987
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,920
if Kamala Harris didn't have the courage or leadership ability

988
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,440
to tell Joe Biden, I have to say something that

989
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,119
you're not going to like and that you're going to

990
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:32,559
think is self serving, but it's not. You know, like

991
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:35,559
she has no business being in any position of leadership.

992
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: It's like when I say something good about pharmaceutical companies,

993
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,760
everyone's like, oh, you're paid by them, or India, you're paid,

994
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,840
But no, I do it for free. And I know

995
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,480
what people are going to say when I say those things.

996
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:48,079
But you have to say what you believe is true.

997
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:52,159
I mean it's literally you're She holds herself up in

998
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:55,159
this excerpt from her book as a truth teller, and

999
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:57,840
yet then she's like, I couldn't tell the truth. My

1000
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:02,360
favorite part of that is where she says she's mad

1001
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,280
that the Biden administration didn't defend her from Fox News

1002
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:12,079
claims that she was a d EI hire, which Biden

1003
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:16,519
said she was literally and explicitly. But isn't that just

1004
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:19,719
like a tacit admission that you know, sex and race

1005
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,360
based hiring degrades like a person's accomplishments a career. I mean,

1006
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,920
why is she mad about a DEI tag when DEI

1007
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:31,159
is supposed to be this wonderful thing. I don't understand it.

1008
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:35,480
They never They just don't make any sense. I loved

1009
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,400
that excerpt because she writes the way she talks with

1010
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:43,760
like he's sort of swirling gibberish, you know, and it's

1011
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,519
it's a fun read. I'm going to write a column

1012
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:45,840
about it.

1013
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: I think the ghostwriter ghostwriter just put what he wanted

1014
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,960
to say into an AI thing and said say this

1015
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:58,119
like Kamala Harris, because I bet he did. Whoever it was,

1016
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,360
or she did just like AI.

1017
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: Give me some tautologies, please. I think that I have

1018
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,960
ghost written books for some you know, famous people, and

1019
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,280
I think you do. You know, I didn't have AI

1020
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,920
nor whatever use AI to write, but I definitely you

1021
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,719
try to put yourself in their mindset and take their voice.

1022
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:21,880
She thinks if she just says something with really earnest way,

1023
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,039
that it will come off that way for others, Like

1024
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,239
I'll give you an example from this piece where she

1025
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,639
says she talks about Roe v. Wade and auditorium filled

1026
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:34,159
with black women and how she was going to overt

1027
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,840
you know, to restore those rights that Ror told me

1028
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,760
they could see it clearly for the first time this

1029
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,519
could be and it should be. It was not because

1030
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:46,519
of gender, because of rape, but the race. But despite

1031
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,000
those things like that, is that that's nothing, that is

1032
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,760
just vacuous. It's just a bunch of words that are

1033
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,960
like formulated in a way that you think sound like something. Anyway,

1034
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,519
Remember we were talking about how the Democratic already has

1035
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:02,880
no energy and it's just emptiness and it will need

1036
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,960
to be filled. She is the perfect example of why

1037
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,760
that is. So she literally she doesn't believe in anything.

1038
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,840
She says nothing new, she has no ideas. She sounds

1039
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:20,159
like some you know, relic of the past. And again,

1040
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:22,400
I think this is why you see a rise of

1041
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,800
socialism where there's a lot of energy and there's an

1042
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,760
earnestness in socialism and a morality to it, even though

1043
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,519
it's completely misguided that you don't have when people are

1044
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:33,639
just trying to come up with things to say to

1045
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:38,079
placate people. Right, And that's what she is. She's a disaster.

1046
01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:40,760
She might be the candidate. I don't know who else.

1047
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:41,880
It's I mean kind of lover.

1048
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:43,599
Speaker 2: I kind of love her now that she's less of

1049
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,679
a threat, I party with her.

1050
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: Also.

1051
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:50,599
Speaker 2: I said something nice to her, nice about her to

1052
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:56,199
my daughter. This week, I was playing, uh, you know

1053
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:04,880
that song Everybody Loves the Sunshine No Okay by Roy Ayers,

1054
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,039
and I have it on vinyl, and so I was

1055
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:11,960
like putting it on the turntable and I was remembering

1056
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,840
that one time she went into a record store and

1057
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,360
she came out with four albums. They were all good,

1058
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,159
and that was one of them, and I'm like, I

1059
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,119
felt it was genuine. I don't think she had a

1060
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:23,920
vinyl consultant going in there with her to pick them.

1061
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,760
I think she should have just become like a HR

1062
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,280
leader at a corporation or something, you know, risen to

1063
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,159
that level and had a really happy life listening to

1064
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:35,760
good music.

1065
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: I just saw a story about this is so weird,

1066
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,360
but anyway, I just saw a story about HR managers

1067
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,679
and there was this company, this tech company that got

1068
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,920
rid of them and had the actual engineers and stuff

1069
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,360
hiring people, and productivity like skyrocketed because those people are

1070
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,320
just concerned with whether you can do the job, not

1071
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,800
all the extra stuff. So yep, how can you be

1072
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,880
a real genuine person? And if you spend decades just

1073
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:05,679
constantly having other people write things for you and worrying

1074
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,039
all the time that what things that you are going

1075
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,079
to say are going to turn people off. I think

1076
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:14,639
you probably forget what you really believe at that at

1077
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:17,360
some point, don't you. I mean, it just seems like

1078
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:20,920
a really sad existence that these politicians lead in a way.

1079
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: I cannot even imagine. I would hate it. But okay,

1080
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:28,840
shall we talk about culture.

1081
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: I have been sick, so I watched a lot of

1082
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:38,480
TV over the last few days. Okay, I want to

1083
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:41,119
I think I mentioned this show before, but I want

1084
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:44,039
to talk about it again. It's called for All Mankind

1085
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:51,280
on Apple. It is an alternative history in which the

1086
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,800
Soviet Union reaches the moon first and sort of how

1087
01:02:55,159 --> 01:03:00,480
history propels in a different direction. There's a little bit

1088
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:07,480
of like feminist y, annoying kind of preachiness to it,

1089
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,719
but it is a tolerable level, as I think, for

1090
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,599
the for the for the show, so only on the

1091
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:18,960
first season that has some interesting, you know, thought experiments.

1092
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,920
I guess i'd call him. So, I don't know, it's

1093
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:28,519
something I would I would recommend. I watched a movie

1094
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:32,400
called Highest to Lowest. It's a Spike Lee movie with

1095
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,599
Denzel Washington. It's also on Apple. Now I should say

1096
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,239
that I am actually not a Spike Lee hater. I

1097
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:43,239
think some of his early movies were much better.

1098
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: But who is a Spike Lee hater?

1099
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't know. I think people think he I

1100
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:53,639
think people think his movies about race, especially the early ones,

1101
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,280
are more simplistic than they actually are, at least that's

1102
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,679
what I've felt. I think some of his movies fail,

1103
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:06,039
but I think he's I think he's a talented guy.

1104
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,920
And obviously I think Denzel Washington's amazing, and he's very

1105
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,519
good in this very good.

1106
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:15,119
Speaker 2: Did you see a twenty fifth hour love.

1107
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: That movie with Ed Norton? Yeah, excellent movie based on

1108
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,920
a book that was pretty good. Heis Lois is based

1109
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,360
on a movie called Hihenlow by Kirosawa. And I'm just

1110
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:30,599
going to give you the plot, very simply, is that

1111
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,960
someone kidnaps He's a rich guy, Denzel Washington play someone

1112
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:39,639
kidnaps his son, but it turns out he accidentally, so

1113
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:41,480
he's willing to give all his money to get his

1114
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:43,280
son back. But then it turns out that they actually

1115
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,800
had kidnapped his friend, not the son. And now the

1116
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,440
moral question is will he give up everything for this

1117
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:52,960
person who isn't his son? Oh? The son of his

1118
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,599
friend who is not rich, who he grew up with.

1119
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,599
But this movie, this, this is kind of a messier script.

1120
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:05,440
It gets very good reviews, but I just don't It's

1121
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:07,960
fun to watch, but when you really start thinking about

1122
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,079
it is it is a bit confused in a way.

1123
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,000
But there's a guy. There's a rapper in it who

1124
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,360
plays the bad guy. His name is asap Rocky. Never

1125
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,679
heard of him. Yes, I think he's fantastic in it.

1126
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,679
Really good, really good, So anyway, worth watch. It's a talker,

1127
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,159
as we say in the business.

1128
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: I just wanna say, you said ASoP Rocky or something.

1129
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,280
It's ASoP rock right.

1130
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: It said it says acep Rocky here. But I don't know, okay,

1131
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:39,960
acep Rocky.

1132
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: Maybe someone else. I think it's okayrock.

1133
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,039
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I know nothing about it. This is out

1134
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,760
of my I saw my wife the other day. It's

1135
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,559
like I see commercials on like I think these are celebrities,

1136
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:52,960
like when you get older and you don't know you

1137
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,679
know you're old and you don't know who the celebrities

1138
01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:55,320
are anymore.

1139
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,239
Speaker 2: Anyway, thought they would like put in any name on

1140
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,920
some of the gossip sites, and I would like to

1141
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,280
have no idea because that it's not true.

1142
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: Because person right, right, right, Jeffrey writes in this as well,

1143
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,239
and he's just a good actor.

1144
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: He's a great actor and also like a really dumb person,

1145
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,280
which is very It's not shocking that actors can be

1146
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,679
really dumb, but it's a little disconcerting how dumb he

1147
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,639
is relative to how smart he thinks he is.

1148
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:27,199
Speaker 1: How about you don't have much, just.

1149
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:30,639
Speaker 2: Been a little busy, but I and then what I

1150
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:33,360
have is really not exciting, but I'll just go ahead.

1151
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,639
We watched You've Got Mail. You know You've Got Mail,

1152
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:45,039
I know from the nineteen eighties.

1153
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:46,719
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen it before?

1154
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 2: We had, but probably not since then. And what was

1155
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,159
the original? What was it called the Shop around the Corner.

1156
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,559
It's a remake of the Shop around the Corner, right.

1157
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know that the other one because.

1158
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,719
Speaker 2: Around the Corner is a Hungarian film or a Hungarian

1159
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:12,360
story and it's got Jimmy Stewart in it, and it's

1160
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,840
a really charming film. And then You've Got Mail as

1161
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,440
the remake. So I had seen You've Got mailed back

1162
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,519
when I was like a kid, and then i'd seen

1163
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:23,480
Shop around the Corner. Sort of recently like it in

1164
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:26,000
the last couple of years. And then I rewatched You've

1165
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,440
Got Mail and it was fine. I was again watching

1166
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,719
with my kid, who was wondering how it is that

1167
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,679
Tom Hanks got these roles where he was the romantic

1168
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:42,519
lead with beautiful women, because he's certainly, you know, a likable,

1169
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,440
charming sort of guy, but he is not handsome, and

1170
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,639
it's just weird that we all pretended he was handsome

1171
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:53,960
enough to get with Meg Ryan for a while.

1172
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: They say that being funny will get you far with women,

1173
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,239
that's what they say. I'm not sure that's true. I

1174
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,880
don't find him that charming. I find him sort of annoying,

1175
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,400
honest sea, But I don't know. I think it's plausible,

1176
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,719
and Meg Rind's plausible enough. They make her a little

1177
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,039
bit like Mousey in that movie, right, don't they make

1178
01:08:14,039 --> 01:08:16,640
her like the book bookshepper give me a break, It

1179
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,319
wouldn't happen in real life. But I'm just saying it's

1180
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,199
not as bad as like everyone says. I Love You

1181
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:25,640
with Woody Allen and Julia Robert's when she's twenty five

1182
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,560
years old. That is not plausible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the other thing is that I watched a

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couple episodes of Northern Exposure.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we did that too recently, and I.

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Speaker 2: Think it holds up very nicely, like very very well.

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What did you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I stop watching, but yeah,

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I thought it was I thought it was rather well done.

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So I actually, I have to be honest with you.

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I didn't watch it when it was out originally, so

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it wasn't Yeah I did. I did.

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Speaker 2: I definitely watched that, and my husband was telling me

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that they filmed it in a small town like Roslin, Washington.

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So anyway, that's it. I don't have much I don't

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have much excitement.

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Speaker 1: Why two other ones? One I watched was and I

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probably watched other movies that I'll remember, but High High

1199
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Planes Drifter, Uh, you know an early seventies movie that

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I love, one of my favorites with Clint Eastwood. Have

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you ever seen it? Nope? Oh, it's fantastic. You should

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see it. It's on Netflix, I think.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I watched something else, Dances with Wolves. Oh,

1204
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that's awful, which I'd never seen before.

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Speaker 1: So I at the time I saw it in the

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theater and I could not believe how boring that movie was,

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and I'm all for Westerns. I just think that that's

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one of the I think it one best picture, one

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01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:47,319
of those best pictures that shouldn't have been the Best

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Picture winner. I forgot what movie. I think maybe was

1211
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,520
it Goodfellas that was up that year that it beat.

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I forget, but.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was so I'd never seen it before.

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It was not something I was interested in. And when

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it came out, which was in what year was that,

1216
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nineteen ninety so same time as I was watching Northern Exposure,

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and it was a little undercooked or it was during

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:21,359
this era of great paternalism toward Native Americans. You know,

1219
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they have wisdom that the Weisman do not have, you know,

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and it was like kind of not dealing with some

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,600
of the issues that it brought up itself, like how

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violent some of the Native tribes were versus others. But

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it was also a pretty violent movie. So I don't

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know really culture, but I do want to mention that

1225
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:49,279
I have the article in Imprimus, the Hillsdale publication that

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goes out to like ten million people. I know, if

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01:10:51,279 --> 01:10:57,039
you have ever been in contact with any like American

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01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:00,960
or conservative institution, you're probably on the Hills mailing list.

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Speaker 1: I uh looked for that once.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun right, I mean, I've already been getting

1231
01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:09,439
like tons of feedback, and I wrote I wrote sort

1232
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of a summary of a bunch of stories I'd written

1233
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,720
for The Federalist on the significance of the recently released

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01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:20,239
Russian hoax documents, kind of explaining why they were so meaningful.

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And I've got a lot of great feedback, so great congrasts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The last thing I just wanted to quickly mention,

1237
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because you brought it up last time, was I watched

1238
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:33,800
Happy Gilmour too. How was it? It was actually good?

1239
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:37,079
I mean, at le put this way, it's idiotic, obviously,

1240
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:40,119
but it was much better than I thought it would be.

1241
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:43,399
And I had this weird thought watching it. I'm like,

1242
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,640
if they it would have been funny if they had

1243
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,359
made a serious movie of this, meaning like it actually

1244
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:53,279
has some underlying I know this sounds crazy, about some

1245
01:11:53,439 --> 01:12:02,720
underlying lessons on the importance of being a parent and

1246
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,640
stuff that were weirdly serious that I think the movie,

1247
01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:10,960
if you would have stripped of all the ridiculousness, would

1248
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,359
have been interesting with Adam Sandler in it, his own

1249
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,119
daughters are in it an addiction too, there's a whole

1250
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:18,880
part of addiction. I know it sounds crazy, but you

1251
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,920
should watch it and tell me if you don't, if

1252
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,720
you feel that or don't watching it.

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Speaker 2: One of my best friends works in film. I think

1254
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,520
I mentioned this years ago once and I have never

1255
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,800
seen her look so horrified as when I told her

1256
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,720
that I sort of secretly loved Adam sandler movies. It

1257
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,560
was like a part of her diede. You know, her

1258
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,640
life's work is devoted to these really important films. And

1259
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,239
I was like, I like a good old rum com

1260
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:44,199
with Adam Sandler.

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01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,359
Speaker 4: She was just like, oh, I've never seen there's no

1262
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,079
actor whose movies are so diverse in the sense that

1263
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,399
he'll be and like what was that movie about the

1264
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:56,399
diamond dealer guy?

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01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,399
Speaker 1: And then he'll be in something so goofy. I mean

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that's it for me. Okay, great. If you'd like to

1267
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,680
reach the show, please do so at radio at the

1268
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,880
Federalist dot com. We'd love to hear from you, and

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01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:13,720
until next week, you lovers of freedom and anxious for

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01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,880
the fray. My life, my.

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 2: Life, my life, my life, and the sunshine.

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01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: Everybody loves the sunshine.