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Speaker 1: Joe Dolan. Welcome back, Joe. How you doing?
Speaker 2: You're all right, guys, How are y'all?
Speaker 1: We are fantastic. We are excited. The football's around the corner.
Speaker 1: We can't wait too uh. Look, and in the month
Speaker 1: of July, we're actually going to watch a football game together,
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame Game. Can you believe it? Are
Speaker 1: you excited to watch five minutes of it and fall asleep?
Speaker 1: Because I am. I can't wait not watching.
Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame game, Guys, I can't do it now.
Speaker 2: I will tell you we have ciccos at Fantasy Points
Speaker 2: who actually play preseason fantasy football, and we do cover it.
Speaker 2: I am not one of those siccos. I cannot get
Speaker 2: myself to do it.
Speaker 1: You do it.
Speaker 2: The only thing I hope for during the preseason is
Speaker 2: that people don't get hurt. That's really all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why you'll you won't see a person
Speaker 1: on that field come Hall of Fame weekend. That truly
Speaker 1: matters at the top of the heap there, but we'll
Speaker 1: be watching no matter what happens. At least I will
Speaker 1: be all right, Joe, Let's get into it here. I
Speaker 1: want to talk first of all about the Falcons. I
Speaker 1: know this Netflix series is out Quarterback. I have not
Speaker 1: watched it yet, But get back to the Kirk Cousins discussion.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's on the hook for twenty seven and a
Speaker 1: half million, but I want to talk about Michael PENNOCKX
Speaker 1: and what he was able to do in those last
Speaker 1: three games. Have you seen enough? Because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of folks around the NFL assume that they've got
Speaker 1: their guy, they're on their way. Have you seen enough
Speaker 1: from Pinnicks or do you need to see a little
Speaker 1: more in those three games where he had three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: three picks, mixed results, but certainly had some promise on
Speaker 1: those throws.
Speaker 2: Mean, look, the thing about Pennix was you think of
Speaker 2: a small sample size like that, and you always need
Speaker 2: to see more, guys. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 2: I'm breaking any news to you. You know, just a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, based on his rookie season, it
Speaker 2: looked like Mac Jones is going to be a really
Speaker 2: good start quarterback in the league. Maybe not a star,
Speaker 2: but certainly a functional quality starting quarterback. So ruling Michael
Speaker 2: Pennix on those just few games that he had would
Speaker 2: be just complete malpractice. Now, the thing about Pennix was
Speaker 2: we charted him Fantasy points data as being generally inaccurate. However,
Speaker 2: he also made some really impressive throws, So you want
Speaker 2: to know how much do you weigh that? Right? And honestly,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's kind of a debate going on
Speaker 2: in football media at large right now, is are we
Speaker 2: in ways overrating guys who do aesthetically pleasing things the
Speaker 2: way that the position's supposed to be played quote unquote
Speaker 2: visa the guys who surely get results. And I would
Speaker 2: say Penix, based on what I saw from him last
Speaker 2: year in a very small sample size, is a guy
Speaker 2: who made some oh my goodness Wolph rose and interspersed
Speaker 2: that with a lot of well, I'm not too sure
Speaker 2: about that, but there's no way I can draw on
Speaker 2: entire conclusion about Michael Pennix. He's a player who for
Speaker 2: fantasy is getting drafted as a number two quarterback. He's
Speaker 2: got a couple of really good wide receivers. If you
Speaker 2: look at production, guys, I know Michael Pennis had a
Speaker 2: connection with Drake London, which is why Drake London's going
Speaker 2: really early for fantasy. But if you look at if
Speaker 2: you look at the production, you'd be shocked to see
Speaker 2: how close Darnell Mooney was to Drake London last year.
Speaker 2: So they have a couple of good receivers, and they
Speaker 2: have for my money, one of the two or three
Speaker 2: best running backs in the NFL. This is a team
Speaker 2: that should score points this year. But and Michael Pennocks
Speaker 2: I think has a good situation. He did some good things.
Speaker 2: He didn't look lost, but there are certainly things for
Speaker 2: him to improve upon, and the Falcons are making the
Speaker 2: right decision. Clearly was going with him as a starter.
Speaker 1: Let's shift over to Carolina Division. I have well, obviously
Speaker 1: it's a team that's near and near to a lot
Speaker 1: of the hearts of our listeners. And I've covered this
Speaker 1: team for many many years through thick and thin, a
Speaker 1: lot of thin lately. Let's talk about their skill group.
Speaker 1: I mean this is I saw Bill Barnwell had an
Speaker 1: article today at ESPN where he had them ranked thirty
Speaker 1: first among receiver group, and look, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of that's based on projection. They added, uh, you know
Speaker 1: McMillan from Arizona, who I think highly of, but again
Speaker 1: we don't know yet. And then they've got Feelan who's
Speaker 1: on the plus side of thirty five. His average separation
Speaker 1: screw I would imagine is not too hot based on
Speaker 1: your metrics. But then they got guys like Jalen Coker,
Speaker 1: Legett and others that are in the fold, Hunter Renfro,
Speaker 1: They've added. What to make of that group? As Bryce
Speaker 1: Young inners year three?
Speaker 2: There, Joe, I think it's got a lot more potential
Speaker 2: than maybe you might think, because I think Xavier league
Speaker 2: get would be the first person to tell you that
Speaker 2: he needed to catch a few more passes than he
Speaker 2: did last year. But we saw some we saw some
Speaker 2: positive things with him. We saw Bryce Young develop a
Speaker 2: relatively positive relationship with Jalen Cocher right now, who obviously,
Speaker 2: from from a fantasy football perspective, is uried right now,
Speaker 2: but certainly to be somebody that Bryce Young could could
Speaker 2: continue to develop a relationship with tet Tyroe McMillan we
Speaker 2: had as the number one receiver in the draft, clus
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna surprise anybody. I know there
Speaker 2: were some out there, and this is a very popular comparison,
Speaker 2: so I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm coming up
Speaker 2: with something unique, but a lot out there who actually
Speaker 2: compared him favorably to Drake London. And honestly, I know
Speaker 2: some people, including some on our staff, who liked him
Speaker 2: better than Drake London coming out. So I think there's
Speaker 2: an opportunity for tet Tyroea McMillan to really do some
Speaker 2: good things. A guy I'm interested to see this year
Speaker 2: is Jatavian Sanders. I want to see if Jatavian Sanders
Speaker 2: can take a step forward because he has a lot
Speaker 2: of ability, and sometimes it takes these tight ends a
Speaker 2: number of years to really come into their own. I
Speaker 2: know we've seen it in recent years with obviously Brock
Speaker 2: Bauers and Sam Laporta, even the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: rookies coming in and making immediate impacts at that position.
Speaker 2: But those guys were first round draft picks. Sam Laporta
Speaker 2: was an early second round draft pick. Jatavian Sanders was
Speaker 2: a later draft pick than that. So he's got some
Speaker 2: ability and I think the Panthers are doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a hierarchy here. I think Adam
Speaker 2: Zealen is going to start, by the way, just because
Speaker 2: of the veteran And you mentioned his average separation score.
Speaker 2: I was stammering a little bit because I wanted to
Speaker 2: look that up while we were on the air. We
Speaker 2: do have a metric at Fantasy Points called average separation score.
Speaker 2: It does have a cheeky and I unintended.
Speaker 1: The shirts today voks, but figure it out.
Speaker 2: An one hundred or more routes run. Last year those
Speaker 2: there were two hundred and sixty five of them we charted.
Speaker 2: Adam Feeling was actually thirty second in average seven. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 2: he could still separate an elite level that's top ten
Speaker 2: percent in leak. As a matter of fact, let me
Speaker 2: let me give you a comparison. He was right behind Koukaakua,
Speaker 2: he was tied with Tyreek Hill, and he was ahead
Speaker 2: of these four names, all of whom are going really
Speaker 2: early in fantasy football drafts, Courtland Sutton, Marvin Harrison, Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 2: and Calvin Ridley. Yeah, so Adam Feeling is still a
Speaker 2: master separator.
Speaker 1: Good ass, right, there average separation score. I did Fantasy points.
Speaker 1: Done's got a question for it.
Speaker 2: Adam Feeling would be the first to tell you that
Speaker 2: it's not all athleticism. It's no how No, he still
Speaker 2: knows how to get open. So I think they're going
Speaker 2: to They're going to let him prove he can't play
Speaker 2: until they put somebody on the field over here.
Speaker 1: And he's still got just amazing ability to make these
Speaker 1: acrobatic catches. I mean, he saw it last year with
Speaker 1: Bryce in some of those games where there were near
Speaker 1: miss is against great teams. Stealen was the guy that
Speaker 1: that had the trust of the quarterback. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: What's going on ahead.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a little bit about the
Speaker 2: you know, you mentioned the reference to Piladelphi Eagles a
Speaker 2: little bit earlier. I think the Eagles are actually number
Speaker 2: one on Bill Barnwell Blitz today. But we talked about
Speaker 2: philad Up Eagles, and we know what an impressive season
Speaker 2: they had and obviously the rookie defensive backs Queen and
Speaker 2: Mitchell Cooper de Jean were a big reason for that.
Speaker 2: There is documented video guys out there of Cooper de
Speaker 2: Jean being asked Hey, when did you feel like you
Speaker 2: were an NFL player? And he said, essentially, I'm paraphraking.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, when Adam Steel and ate me.
Speaker 1: For lunch, Yes, exactly, I remember this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's the only don't look at the rookie
Speaker 2: season Cooper degene had was incredible, you know, he was.
Speaker 2: He's already one of the best slot forigners in the NFL.
Speaker 2: But he he is on videos say yeah, Adam Feelin
Speaker 2: kicked my ass and and that goes to show you
Speaker 2: what Celing can still do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Joe uh speaking of, you know, being buried from a fantasy,
Speaker 3: fantasy perspective, Let's talk Arthur Smith's tight ends.
Speaker 2: Is he going to use them?
Speaker 3: He's got nineteen of them, We talked, we had a
Speaker 3: question of the day if you can clone eleven guys,
Speaker 3: I think Arthur Smith's trying to have eleven tight ends
Speaker 3: out on the field.
Speaker 1: Throw you never utilized a single one anywhere but past catching.
Speaker 3: What do you make of the the the Minca Jonu
Speaker 3: Smith trade, the Jayleen Ramsey trade, and how do you
Speaker 3: feel about Arthur Smith collecting these tight ends?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna utilize them? This year because he's got
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: You know there is there is a time a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago when the John new Smith's file thing
Speaker 2: was go down in Atlanta and the Bjohn Robinson Tyler
Speaker 2: all to your brainless split of warkload, when I would
Speaker 2: go out of my way to drive to ups for
Speaker 2: other than go to I was not enriching the Smith's
Speaker 2: family any more. But like I have to give Arthur
Speaker 2: Smith some credit. He was onto something about John new
Speaker 2: Smith used to be Kyle Pitt's. Yeah, because last year
Speaker 2: it was evident Johnny Smith was a better football player.
Speaker 2: And the thing is with with Pittsburgh, Number one, you
Speaker 2: expect Pittsburgh to be a little run heavier. But how
Speaker 2: much influence is Aaron Rodgers gonna have you? The fact
Speaker 2: that they traded for John new Smith suggests Arthur Smith
Speaker 2: has significant influence here. But Aaron Rodgers is not going
Speaker 2: to go out there and run the same offense Desmond
Speaker 2: Ritter ran two years ago. It's just not going to
Speaker 2: happen because that's Aaron Rodgers. Now. Aaron Rodgers might at
Speaker 2: the stage of his career say I want to bolster
Speaker 2: my Hall of Fame resume if I managed to drag
Speaker 2: the Steelers team to the super Bowl. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: one of the great stories ever. And he might decide,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm gonna I'm just gonna capitulate a
Speaker 2: little bit to my coaches. I think there's an opportunity
Speaker 2: here for john new Smith to be second on this
Speaker 2: team in targets behind obviously DK Meck get healthy, he's
Speaker 2: going to leave the team in targets. But it was
Speaker 2: the rare trade where we lost two fantasy viable sets
Speaker 2: because Johnny Smith was getting drafted as a top ten
Speaker 2: tight end for fantasy and Pat fryar Muth was getting
Speaker 2: drafted as like a top fifteen or sixteen tight end
Speaker 2: for fantasy. Those ADPs have just completely plummeted because nobody
Speaker 2: knows a what the split's going to be, b how
Speaker 2: much they're even going to throw the football in general.
Speaker 2: So it becomes john and Smith is a really good
Speaker 2: football player. He was excellent for fantasy last year. And
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith I've shown the ability to use him. But
Speaker 2: Ryan Mout's a different kind of player. Friar Muth is,
Speaker 2: you know, more of your traditional inline. You know, we
Speaker 2: compared Colston Loveland to Tyler Warren throughout the pre draft
Speaker 2: process when it was you know, maybe the Panthers were
Speaker 2: considering one of those two guys. The Briar Muth was
Speaker 2: much more of the Tyler Warren type of tight end
Speaker 2: get in there helped the run game, may be a
Speaker 2: red zone option, while John new Smith is somebody who's
Speaker 2: scheme things up for Unfortunately, I'm not sure there's going
Speaker 2: to be enough volume here for either one of these
Speaker 2: guys to be anything more than kind of like a
Speaker 2: bench asset for for fantasy football. So it was a
Speaker 2: trade when it happened that nobody in the fantasy industry
Speaker 2: likes just because we know what Arthur Smith likes to do.
Speaker 2: He likes to prove that he's smarter than everybody else.
Speaker 2: And sometimes he calls a nifty play. Other times you're like,
Speaker 2: why is Tyler Alger in there? When Dejon Robinson is running.
Speaker 1: All over the beam tossed to nage.
Speaker 2: Darnell Washington's there by the way, Guys like he's a
Speaker 2: talented guy. Does he become somebody who gets used? It's
Speaker 2: from a fantasy football perspective, this is one I want
Speaker 2: to follow throughout training camp. Guys, I want to follow
Speaker 2: the reports. That's what I'm going to do, because look,
Speaker 2: they're going to use john new Smith right now. If
Speaker 2: I had to wager, I think Johnny Smith's second on
Speaker 2: this team in targets. I just don't know if that
Speaker 2: second on this team in targets is good enough to
Speaker 2: sustain fantasy and production.
Speaker 1: So what happens We're talking to Joe Dolan here Fantasy
Speaker 1: points dot Com. By the way, what happens with TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt?
Speaker 1: I know you tweeted out a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: might not be the best idea to give him a
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett type of deal. Where are they at do
Speaker 1: you think? And where do they land on that? Where
Speaker 1: would you land on that?
Speaker 2: Well? I wonder if they're thought between a rock and
Speaker 2: a hard place right now, I said, I don't think
Speaker 2: a Mile Garrett type extension would age well for t J. Watt,
Speaker 2: But I think they're going to give it to him anyway.
Speaker 2: And idea like he watscott leverage right now? Right he's
Speaker 2: over thirty, he is some of his advanced mettrics like
Speaker 2: his his win rate isn't nearly as high as some
Speaker 2: of the elite guys, like he's more of a he
Speaker 2: gets his sacks, but he finishes. But let's just say
Speaker 2: he finishes a higher percentage of the plays he wins
Speaker 2: that he wins plays like he's more of a sacker
Speaker 2: than a disruptor. He's not out there constantly wreaking havoct
Speaker 2: but when he does, he finishes the play. That's why
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit concerned about his production metrics. But look,
Speaker 2: they brought in Aaron Rodgers, they traded for Johnny Smith,
Speaker 2: they traded for DK Metcalf. This is not a team
Speaker 2: that's going to be like, oh, you know what we're
Speaker 2: building for the future here, man, we got t TJ. Watt.
Speaker 2: While I can you know they trade Look, I think
Speaker 2: I actually I think they came ahead in the trade
Speaker 2: because I think at this point, Jalen Ramsey's better football
Speaker 2: player than MIKEA fits faster. They also traded a younger
Speaker 2: player in MIKEA. Fitzpatrick for Jalen Ramsey, who's older than
Speaker 2: Everything suggests here that they've kind of backed themselves into
Speaker 2: a wall with TJ. Watt. TJ. Watt sees that, and
Speaker 2: I think EJ. Fott is going to become one of
Speaker 2: the highest aed defensive players in football, and I think
Speaker 2: it'll get done before the season.
Speaker 1: And then there's Trey Hendrickson over in Cincinnati. We're also, uh,
Speaker 1: they went ahead just as a reinforcement, I guess, to
Speaker 1: draft Shamar Stewart. He decides this is pretty cool. Why
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool? I'm not reporting either. I don't
Speaker 1: like this contract, crap, your throw it at me. But
Speaker 1: Hendrickson on the plus side of thirty obviously thirty one,
Speaker 1: now I believe you'd be paying him on production, not
Speaker 1: future projection. And that's the problem with what Hendrickson wants.
Speaker 1: He wants Miles Garrett money. That to me, that's as
Speaker 1: much of a red flag because he's had great production
Speaker 1: in a very short window the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: But you never get faster and you never get better
Speaker 1: the older you get, especially at that age. I'd be
Speaker 1: worried if they gave him big money, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: If they will, But guys, you cannot possibly you could
Speaker 2: get anybody from anywhere who might not have never even
Speaker 2: heard of the Cincinnati Bengals on this program in my spot,
Speaker 2: and they would be just as good at projecting what
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals are going to do. Money wise, because
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you they don't have their first round
Speaker 2: pick in camp. And look, I know what's going on
Speaker 2: with the second round picks. I know obviously the language
Speaker 2: in those contracts means virtually none of them are signed.
Speaker 2: But Stuart I believe he is the only first rounder
Speaker 2: who hasn't signed. He doesn't look anywhere close to signing.
Speaker 2: And then they've done guys. I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: don't know. And you know, Joe Burrow wants them to
Speaker 2: pay everybody. Joe Burrow doesn't have an owner like Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Laurie in Philadelphia who is willing to pay these dead
Speaker 2: pack years to help keep a great team together. If
Speaker 2: they signed Trey Henderson tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked. If
Speaker 2: they traded them tomorrow, I wouldn't be shocked. Cincinnati is
Speaker 2: just one of those teams that the ownership is such
Speaker 2: a wild card that it's hard to even talk about
Speaker 2: from that regard.
Speaker 1: Finally, Joe Dolan Fantasy points dot Com is our guest here.
Speaker 1: I think the most intriguing team right now, and again
Speaker 1: this can change from week to week based on a
Speaker 1: lot of factors, but the Vikings are fascinating. They are
Speaker 1: stacked across the board on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: They've improved that offensive line in the interior where it
Speaker 1: was a mess last year. But the quarterback situation we
Speaker 1: know is a huge question mark because we have not
Speaker 1: seen this young quarterback J. M. McCarthy play a single
Speaker 1: snap in the regular season. What do you make of
Speaker 1: that situation? What are your expectations for that team? Could
Speaker 1: it be that they could I don't want to say
Speaker 1: bring Kirk Cousins back at trade deadline time, but what
Speaker 1: if they come out of the gate at four and
Speaker 1: five or five and five? Are they going to stay
Speaker 1: the course with him? Because they're in a win now
Speaker 1: mode with that roster.
Speaker 2: Go tell you fantasy football fact first. J. J. McCarthy
Speaker 2: is my most drafted quarterback right now in fantasy football
Speaker 2: because look at what we have seen from the Kevin
Speaker 2: O'Connell offense major Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I remember on Christmas Eve when Kirk Cousins was injured,
Speaker 2: sitting here in my office watching I was on serious
Speaker 2: sext time at the time, watching the Minnesota Vikings play
Speaker 2: on Christmas Eve with Nick Mullins at quarterback. No, this
Speaker 2: guy is throwing hot air balloons into the air. I
Speaker 2: mean it is just they are going up and they're
Speaker 2: coming down and into defense fifty yards and played one
Speaker 2: of the worst games I saw all year. So and
Speaker 2: then we saw Sam Donald last year come in orlay
Speaker 2: that into a hundred million dollar contract. Funny, there's some
Speaker 2: funny money involved there, but still one hundred million dollar contract.
Speaker 2: And we knew Sam Donald stunk, right. I know he
Speaker 2: had a couple of moments with the Panthers, but as
Speaker 2: has happened with Sam Donald faltered, well, we don't know
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy stinks. What if he doesn't. When I'm drafting
Speaker 2: a quarterback like that, who's getting drafted at like quarterback
Speaker 2: sixteen or seventeen, you want to start asking yourself, what
Speaker 2: if something good happens? And something good has always happened
Speaker 2: with Kevin O'Connell quarterback, and he has the addict of mobility.
Speaker 2: We also have them projected to be one of the
Speaker 2: past heaviest teams in the NFL. We have we have
Speaker 2: j McCarthy in the top five and projected pass attempts
Speaker 2: this year. So I'm going to be bullish on him.
Speaker 2: What if he is good and if he is. Look,
Speaker 2: they won thirteen games last year with Sam Donald. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, now there is some again talking about funny money.
Speaker 2: There was some funny money going on there and that
Speaker 2: got exposed. But there is a lot of talent on
Speaker 2: this offense and the coaching staff that I truly believe in. Moreover,
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is more mobile than Sam Donald. He is
Speaker 2: going to be one of my most drafted quarterbacks. I
Speaker 2: think his mobility opens up something in this offense that
Speaker 2: neither Sam Donald nor especially Kirk Cousins could provide it.
Speaker 2: I think we might see Kevin O'Connell get into his
Speaker 2: bag a little bit this year.
Speaker 1: Well to see how it goes. Joe Dolan Fantasy Points
Speaker 1: dot Com let us know, tease it all out for us.
Speaker 1: Where can we find the work as we ramp up
Speaker 1: to the start of the regular season, My friend, you can.
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Speaker 1: We'll be doing that. He's allergic to Arthur Smith talk.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's it's not a bad case.
Speaker 1: Gets some clarton for that bad case of Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2: I you got there.
Speaker 1: We'll see it. Joe, What can Brown do for you?
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