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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to mail us, please do

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so at ready at the Federalist dot com. We love

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to hear from you, Molly. I just want to tell

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you one thing. I forgive you for all the things

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you've done to me in the past ten years. Even

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though I can't think of anything bad that you've done,

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but just in case, I'm going to preemptively pardon you

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for all your wrongdoings.

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Speaker 2: Good you say ten years, If we can get closer

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to eleven, that would be good.

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Speaker 1: It was a little over. It's basically how long I

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know you, actually, So I forgive you for everything I

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think we met in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I had made as much money and

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had as much fun partying as Hunter Biden did during

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those years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. No, I can't forget. I have no

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pardon powers to forgive you for writing off krack and

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hookers on your taxes.

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Speaker 2: Also, so yeah, so much to talk about here with

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the Hunter Biden pardon. A lot of people seem to

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be focused on one of the things that I didn't

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think was the most important thing, which is Joe Biden.

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And many people in his administration promised America that they

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would not that he would not pardon Hunter Biden for

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the very few things he was charged over of all

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the things he had done, and it was a main

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talking point during the campaign. You know, it was a

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great example supposedly of how how much Joe Biden upholds

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rule of law even when it hurts him personally, versus

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Donald Trump, who was complaining about these politicized prosecutions. And

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so when he parted and a lot of people were saying,

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the man is going to pardon his son, Like it's

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going to happen. I thought maybe Kamala would pardon him

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if she were elected, or Trump would maybe even pardon him.

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It was not outside the realm of possibility, given how

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Trump feels about political opponents and how you let bygones

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be bygones after you win a tough election, or that

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Joe Biden would pardon him. And we got the Joe

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Biden pardon, and we got it early before sentencing. Usually

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pardons are issued on the way out the door.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this was all predicated on the mythology

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that we're talking about, you know, an honest person in

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any way, he's one of the most he's one of

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the shadiest, you know, most mendacious people who's ever been

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in Washington, Joe Biden. You know, it's not I didn't

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know that he would do it, honestly, but I because

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I actually hadn't wasn't thinking about it. But it wasn't

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surprising to me at all. Right, I mean, he's always

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been a liar, not a fat you know, but also

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a liar. But I think it does There are many

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levels to this one one just because you mentioned what,

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you know, what the left was saying about how you know,

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what a great character Biden had, because you know, he

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let his own son be prosecuted. First of all, that's

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BS two. But here's the thing. Maybe this is why,

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maybe he knew he was going to be part and

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this is why his lawyers kept rejecting like the the

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the plea deals that were just these sweetheart deals, and

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that he wouldn't even take them because he knew in

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the end they were already talking about this. I don't

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you know, that's just speculation, obviously. But what made me

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laugh the most is that people say, if you know,

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and they've been saying this forever, if he didn't have

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a last name of Biden, he never would have been

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prosecuted at all. Which the opposite of that is true

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in the sense that if he didn't, yeah, if he

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didn't have this last name. First of all, he would

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never have been able to set up his multimillion dollar

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lundering you know, favor trading, you know business. He never

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would have had been able to peddle and launder his art,

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you know, for millions of dollars, or write a self

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serving memoir about his horror mongering, or you know, drop

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a gun next to a high school and get away

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with it. Essentially, he wouldn't have done those things, but

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he would have been He would have faced decades in

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jail if his name wasn't Biden. And the if it

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wasn't and the thing is that David Weiss and prosecutors

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wanted to give him a pardon already. The deal that

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they had in place was a pardon. And if it

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wasn't for this judge Marlene I forgot her last name Norika,

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maybe if she hadn't been like Noriaeika, if she hadn't

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been like whoa Can you give me an example ever

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of someone basically, you know, giving immunity for a case

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that isn't even in front of the court too. They're

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like no, and she's like, this is ridiculous. Go back,

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and then two piddling charges and then you know, and

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then we're here. And by the way, a lot of

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people frame this as a pardon on gun and tax charges. No,

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he gave him an across the board immunity on bribery

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and corruption and anything else going back over ten years.

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Speaker 2: It's under age sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, completely unprecedented in history. And don't get me wrong,

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I think a lot of presidents abuse their pardons. I

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don't think I've ever seen anything like this. And my

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last point just before we move on, is that people

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have to remember this is also for Joe Biden. He's

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doing it for himself. The reason that the Justice Department

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would never allow Hunter to get, you know, be in

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front of a jury in any real way or be

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prosecuted in a real way is because every question leads

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to Joe, and leads to his uncle and leads to

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the whole business, every one of them. I know I

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sound like I'm being a conspiracy theorist, but we have

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tons of circumstantial evidence, if not more, really that this

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is the case. Anyway, that's my take on it.

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Speaker 2: Well, all very well said. I want to add a

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few other things. One that the Biden family business, which

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involved Hunter being one of the primary bag men, but

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not the only one, involved a lot of different members

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of the Biden family, and the whole business like people

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never stop and think what was this business providing? Why

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were they bringing in millions of dollars? What did they provide?

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And the lack of curiosity about the answer to that

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question from many in corporate media is infuriating. The lack

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of curiosity from investigative bodies is infuriating. But just the

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sort of big picture look at it is they got

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money in exchange for access to Joe Biden. So you're

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absolutely right. If Hunter Biden's last name were not Biden,

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he would not have made this money and he would

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not have engaged in this particular type of law breaking.

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But that whole business, family business was very unseemly. And

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if Hunter Biden's last name weren't Biden, but were instead,

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say Trump, corporate media would have run over every little

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morsel of that and made it into a massive story.

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And we know that because the Trump family was legendarily

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involved in international business. They were known for being in

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international business with properties all over the world, and our

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corporate media dug into every single one of those properties

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and transactions trying to find nefarious wrongdoing and were unable to.

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But they dug They just didn't do the digging with

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Hunter Biden, and then you talked about Weiss. I don't

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think that enough has been said about how bad of

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a special counsel he was, so he knew he had

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access to so many of the issues in play here

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during the Trump presidency and went out of his way

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to bury it. I would highly recommend reading Margot Cleveland's

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ground breaking work on this for us at the Federalist,

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where she showed what was known and what he hid,

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and some of what he hid or downplayed it actually

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expired under the Statute of Limitations. So he was a

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recipient of politicized justice, but not a victim of it.

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He was a beneficiary of it because everyone involved at

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the Department of Justice, and a lot of the people

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at the IRS. You you have the two whistleblowers who've

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laid it out without debate, basically how much the IRS

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worked to cover up for Hunter Biden at the State Department.

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way to not flag or not hold accountable Hunter Biden

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for his role in this corrupt family business. So Weiss

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is a bad guy. I love what people say. He

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was appointed by Donald Trump. Yes, among many weak or

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bad people at the Department of Justice, appointed by Donald Trump,

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and his reputation among people who actually cared about investing

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gating was horrific. And as you pointed out, he tried

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to arrange the basically, he tried to arrange a pardon

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for Hunter Biden through the courts. It was Marco again

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who highlighted a lot of the problems with this and

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that Judge Norieka found too troublesome to sign off on,

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and he ended up being charged on like Pittily anti

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stuff instead of the actual crimes. And so Joe Biden

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coming out and saying he was this victim of politicized

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justice A I love the admission. I love it truly

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that his Department of Justice is corrupt and politicized. It's

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helpful because it's true, but he's wrong, exactly one hundred

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and eighty degrees wrong about how that affected his family.

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Speaker 1: Unlikely he wrote that letter to be honest. I saw him.

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put together a sentence, so he's just really Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about how I feel like Donald Trump

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is being president through space and time right now, like

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he's doing things to kind of help the country and

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he's not even president yet, you know, telling Pierre Trudeau

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and Claudia Shinbaum that they need to close their borders

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with the US and explaining to them that if it's

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not done by day one, there will be problems. It

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kind of reminds me of how Reagan was able to

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affect the Iranian hostage crisis before he was even president.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to get to some other stuff he's

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done that is basically presidential actions of a president not

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being president. But I just want to touch on a

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few things that you reminded me of. If it weren't

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for those two irs whistleblowers, there would have been no charges.

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There would have been no charges. Probably they ran out

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the statute of limitations on a bunch of the more

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you know, serious charges for him. The doj did. I

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just want to mention something Jonathan Chait wrote that made

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me laugh. He says, first of all, let's remember that

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four years everyone was like Biden had nothing, that Joe

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had nothing to do with this. It's nothing to do

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with Joe, you know, the president himself. Joe Biden himself

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lied during a debate and other times saying that he

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never once spoke to son about anything that had to

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do with this, which was a lie. So it's not

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surprising that he lied about this. I love how, you know,

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I see writers from the Atlantic, they are shocked. They

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feel like trade by Joe Biden had lied. He literally

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guide lies about everything anyway. The other thing is this

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whole idea that as a father, you know, the love

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of a father makes him, you know, have to pardon

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pardon his hunter retroactively for eleven years, exactly to the

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point when he started working for the Ukrainian Energy Concern

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for fifty k to eighty K a month. Right, that's

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a weird, weirdly specific time and also.

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Speaker 2: At the point that Joe Biden was taking over being

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the Ukrainian point man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's not a loving pardon for a son. It's a

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self part for himself. And it's also not loving. I

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get so annoyed about people talking about how there was

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that Axios reporter and he's not even the worst one.

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I think his name is Alex Thompson or something, where

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he was saying this is like a tragic love story. Okay,

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if your son is an addict, one of the things

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a loving parent would do would be to not put

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him in charge of the corrupt family business that requires

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him to travel all over the world, be doing high

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risk activity, putting him in locations where his demons are

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more likely to flourish, whether that's paying young women for

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sex and abusing them and drugs, and you know, that's

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not what a loving father does. A loving father probably

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wouldn't run for president, by the way, And you see

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this actually on both sides of the aisle, and it

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really bothers me when people put personal or professional stuff

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above caring for their children who are in crisis. Not

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that I can understand writing Hunter biden off or making

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it where he's unable to affect the rest of the

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family because of his addictions, but that's not what was

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happening here. It's not loving, and that a man who

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will not meet his own grandchild, his own granddaughter, who's

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probably like seven now or how old is she, I

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Speaker 1: Or five whatever he I mean, he did not acknowledge

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her existence. I mean, that's just what.

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Speaker 2: He acknowledged her existence for years and still has not

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mother and not wanting to have a relationship with her,

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but how can you do that with your own grandchild,

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no matter the circumstances of our birth. It's not loving,

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and it's not what a good person does.

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Speaker 1: He's a bad person. And let me give you another

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example of how he's a bad person. He uses his

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son's death from cancer constantly, for you know, he politicists,

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politicizes it and uses it to push whatever, you know, whatever,

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whatever self aggrandizing speech he's giving. And you wouldn't do that.

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A good person wouldn't do. I've never seen a good

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person talk about their children in that way. If he

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was a good dad, he never would have ran for

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president knowing what his son had done. Even the Obama

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administration knew something wrong was going on there. There are

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stories from those years when the Times was trying to

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undermine Joe Biden because they didn't want him to run

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for president. They want someone more left wing, I think,

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even though I'm sure they got what they wanted with

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him in the end. But now, if here's what John

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Hunter right, Biden ran a business quote based on selling

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the perception of access to his father. Now, first of all,

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we don't know that that's true because we've never investigated

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this at all. But if that's the case, isn't Joe

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how could Joe Biden has to let that happen. There's

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no way he's not allowing that perception to exist, because

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we have evidence that he met he met with the

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Ukrainian businessman, we have evidence that he had Hunter on

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the plane going as vice president going to China, and

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a bunch of other stuff. So that makes him a

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bad person and a corrupt person. Even if it wasn't illegal,

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it would be corrupt. And like you said, no one

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cared enough really to take a deep dive on that

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in the media.

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Speaker 2: So well, I have a question. Yeah, there was also

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a commentary about how pardoning your son for these things

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is what anybody would have done. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 1: Listen, I would do a lot for my kids, but

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I know that I would never put myself in that

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kind of position to begin with. I don't think that

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makes me any great person. I think it makes me

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a normal person. They say it's because Trump is going

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after his enemy is and seeking vengeance and all that.

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I say, he might.

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Speaker 2: Use the Department of Justice the way we did, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, but it's not. It wouldn't even be in the

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way they did. In my opinion, I think that the

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lawfair stuff against Trump, for instance, was bogus, whereas I

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don't actually think this is bogus. And if Hunter Biden

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broke the law and we have evidence and the Justice

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Department can find that evidence, you know, put him in jail.

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I mean, you know so.

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Speaker 2: And you say that someone who doesn't even believe he

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should have been charged on the gun issue because you

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think that's unconstitutional that he was lying on a form

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about whether he was using drugs. You think that's a

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non constitutional question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's. I think it underminds the Fifth Amendment.

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I think it's self incriminating, and it undermines first of all,

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I'm not even sure why you should lose a right

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just because you've broken the lawn and misdemeanor right. But

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I actually think the whole forms on constitution. I think

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people should be able to go buy guns.

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Speaker 2: I had this fantasy that there would be a US

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versus Biden case that would overturn these unconstitutional It.

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Speaker 1: Was a dream. It was a dream. I wrote a

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column of that, Yeah, Biden v. Biden in the Supreme

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Court on the gun chart, you know, to Underiden.

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Speaker 2: Took it away from you. Well, I was thinking about

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it because everyone just was saying, oh, he did the

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right thing. He pardoned his son. That shows that he's honorable.

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And I distinctly have this memory in my young twenties

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of my mother telling me apropos nothing like this is.

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I'm out of the house. There's no indication that I'm

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a lawbreaker of any kind. And she just kind of

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decided to share with me that if I ever broke

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the law, she would personally take me down to the

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authorities and.

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Speaker 1: I would bury the body for my kids, you know

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what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So well, my mom would not and I think about

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it all the time with my own kids, because we

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have you know, different family members or different people. We

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know where the kids, including adult kids, are engaged in

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bad behavior, and how the parents react to that is different.

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And I've always assured my children that I am not

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going to be an enabling type mother in case they,

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you know, have problems with addiction or anything like that.

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I'm just like letting them know I'm not the one

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like it's going to be hard, but I am going

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to let you be on the street. So I think

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I'm very much in my mother's footsteps that way, but

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I also push marsh I also posted a picture of

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a very famous scene in Roman history of when Brutus,

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not the Brutus you're thinking of, but Lucius Junius Brutus

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oversees the execution of his two sons because you know,

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he he had done all the hard work of creating

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the republic and then his sons engaged in a coup

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to restore it to the monarchy, and so he was like, well,

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then they have to be killed, and he oversaw it,

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and he it's sort of this you know, moment where

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you uphold certain principles above family issues justin hibarious.

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Speaker 1: But let me just tell you something I don't know

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even know if that's real, but it could be. I

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think it was just a lesson to like, let's I'm

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not challenging what you're saying. I think it's it's in

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you know, it's Roman. Can I say, it's part of

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like Roman lore and you know how Roman statesmen conducted

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themselves and all that. But I think it was a

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warning to people.

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Speaker 2: But I just want to say that it's almost certainly apocryphal,

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like didn't actually happen, and yet it's still a major

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story in Roman history and there's like tons of art

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done about it and there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's like Cincinnatus, you know, like I mean,

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it's important and like to the Roman ethic and all

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of that, these stories are super important.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, going side, we should have a piece on this

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issue at some point this week at the Federalist on this.

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Speaker 1: But it's really wow.

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Speaker 1: Quickly. Another topic that's sort of related to this is,

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you know, so you can't have a country like this

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where you know, I keep hearing remember when Joe Biden

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said no one was above the law. Everyone keeps pointing

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out that he said that. Now you know his son

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is above the law. But you know, James Clapper is

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above the law. John Brennan's above the law. Eric Holder

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is above the law. Andy mckaye, the Obama folks are

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above your law, yea. And all the Bidens are above

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the law. So you know what, I do not like.

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Speaker 2: It when people say, oh, we can't have retribution. No,

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we shouldn't have retribution. We should have justice. And when

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you're engaged in coups and when you're lying about people

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and running smear operations or using the rule of law,

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manipulating it to destroy political enemies. You should be held

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accountable for that. That doesn't mean it's retribution. It means

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it's justice and restoring the Department of Justice to justice

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and making it clear that you can't do these things

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that put the country on the brink of disillusion. That's

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a good thing for rule of law. So I don't

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want to actually burn it down, but I do think

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so long as people aren't held accountable, this will continue,

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and you.

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Speaker 1: Have to I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want

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to punish innocent people. I want to go after the

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guilty people. There used to be sort of a mutually

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assured destruction sort of idea in Washington. If we kill

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the filibuster, they'll kill the filibuster for us. If we

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go after their guys, they'll go after our guys. You know,

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I'm not saying that's always great, because sometimes it leads

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to sort of you know, institutional corruption in a way

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by looking the other way, you know, against political enemies

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and stuff like that, but are political opponents. But at

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this point, I don't see how else we can move forward.

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You can't just have one team come in every time

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they come in. They just you know, do the Russia

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collusion thing, to go do the law fair thing, and

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then the other side's not supposed to do anything. I mean,

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I don't really know how you can have a country

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like this, But any who, do you think this sets

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a precedent in the future. I mean, do you think

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Trump's gonna be like, yeah, I'll just have all my

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kids and giving pardons ten years back just in case.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. But I don't know, I have

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I could be totally wrong, and I could be very

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pollyannish about things, but I feel like a fever has

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broken in the country. And what happened over the last

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four years in particular, but really leading up to the

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last four years, this use of the Department of Justice

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to keep the establishment happy and to hurt the country.

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There was a resounding rejection of that. We also had

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because of the hubris of Merrick Garland and Jack Smith.

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We had some decisions from the Supreme Court that clarify

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the role of presidential authority. Like I was just thinking,

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pardoning your son to protect yourself is exactly the kind

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of thing that would have been viewed as possibly prosecutable,

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you know, prior to when Jack Smith does these renegade cases,

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and the Supreme Court is like, we're not going to

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let official acts in any way be investigated, you know,

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and so even if they help yourself. And I think

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it was almost a question in orl argument or something,

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or maybe I just read something about it, like what

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if you're using the pardon authority corruptly? I was like, well,

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but you do have that constitutional right anyway, My point

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just being I'm hoping we're going to see some justice here.

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law and order probably very naive, And therefore there are

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no pardons of children. On the other hand, I don't know.

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I don't know. I just don't. I just sort of

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don't see it happening. But I'm not totally sure.

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Speaker 1: I had noted on Twitter or I thought that the

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pardon I think pardons have been abused for a long

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time by presidents, to be honest, and I thought that

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was maybe one of the things in the Constitution that

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I don't like, and it could be one of the

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things that would be wide agreement on to amend, in

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the sense of saying you can't pardon family members. You

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can't you know that sort of thing, but some constitutional

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scholar types, you know, they kind of pushed back on it,

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and I think the founders hadn't My case was that

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the founders didn't know what low character or presidents would

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have moving forward.

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Speaker 2: But I actually I do not remember exactly, but I'm

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pretty sure that this was a point of debate with

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the creation of the Constitution and that people were worried

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that corrupt people would abuse this process. I tend to

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be a fan of pardons, like I feel like sometimes

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injustice just rises to the point that nobody can take

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care of it other than the president. And I'm not

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or you know, enough years have passed that you just

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want to allow something to go. I kind of like

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the mercy shown in those last minute pardons. There have

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been a lot of examples of bad pardons. Sorry, did

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you see the story about the view co host Anna

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Navarro saying that FDR had pardoned his brother in law Wilson.

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Speaker 1: So Will said, I think wasn't it the Butts?

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Speaker 2: She'd gotten it from AI, and just that AI is

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playing games and telling people that FDR had a secret

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brother in law named Wilson de Butts and he was pardoned.

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Speaker 1: So es Squire said that Neil Bush had been pardoned

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by the first Bush presidency, which is untrue. He was

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not pardoned. But they bring up Charles Kushner, which is

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00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:59,160
Trump pardoned his son in law's dad. It was involved

477
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,799
in some wacky stuff, you know, but he's yeah, he

478
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,880
served his time. He did not. It wasn't a blanket

479
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,519
pardon of all things he might have done going back years.

480
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,079
And the other one was Clinton's brother, and he also

481
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,680
I think served his time or like paid paid his price,

482
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,519
whatever it was. Those are very different, though I don't

483
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:19,880
love them either, I have to say, but you know,

484
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,279
they're different, and just on the on the pardons, I

485
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,759
want to say, I have changed my mind a little bit.

486
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,559
You know. Someone pointed out to me that they didn't

487
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,839
there were no term limits on presidents, so they didn't

488
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,960
really think about impeachment. Was the prescription for bad pardons?

489
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,960
You know, they thought and they didn't think about lame

490
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:40,519
duck congresses and things like that. I would like to

491
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:44,839
I think they should impeach uh Biden just as they

492
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,440
did Trump after his presidency. Didn't they impeach him after

493
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:52,400
his presidency? Hum? You know, I'm always up for an impeachment.

494
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000
So you know, what I.

495
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: Wanted to say was that I do hope. I mean,

496
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I would love if if Biden underage sex trafficker, drug user,

497
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:04,720
FARA violator.

498
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: You know, was it underage because I tried to like

499
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,799
get find that for sure, but it wasn't positive on that.

500
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that's just I actually don't

501
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,079
think any of this stuff has been investigated to the point,

502
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:19,039
so I should say alleged, alleged to have engaged in

503
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:25,160
some shady prostitution practices if he deserves a pardon. I

504
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,720
would love to see Joe Biden pardon the pro life

505
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,000
men and women grandparents that he has in prison for

506
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:35,640
praying outside abortion clinics. I think the j six protesters

507
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,400
have gone through enough, so he should pardon them and

508
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,079
maybe commute the sentences of anyone who was violent again,

509
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,559
They've served their time. This has gone on long enough.

510
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,319
What about other transition people? What are you thinking about

511
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:56,000
the transition situation? My colleague, my former colleague, Pete Hegseth,

512
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,400
has been getting a lot of pushback from corporate media.

513
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: I mean this, listen, I'm just upfront, I've never met

514
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,920
the guy. Maybe he's the worst guy on I don't know.

515
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,400
I don't know anything about him. I just know that

516
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,440
people I trust i'm friends with like him personally, But

517
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:14,200
I don't know even people you like could do bad,

518
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,079
you know, stuff that isn't great. The problem for me

519
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,440
is that the that I don't trust anyone in the

520
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,720
media who's reporting on this stuff at all. These are

521
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:23,880
the same people who did Kavanaugh and all of that.

522
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,160
This story in NBC News about how he's drunk at

523
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:33,359
work and everything has ten anonymous sources. I don't understand

524
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,559
why you get to be anonymous if you're a former

525
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,240
worker there. So I don't trust that. And here's why

526
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,480
I really don't trust it. Did anyone call you you've worked

527
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,839
with him? Did anyone call Will Kine he worked with him?

528
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,559
They don't. You don't call the co hosts of the guy,

529
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,839
but you call some third rate, you know, line maybe

530
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:54,920
cub producer about this. So and also that story links

531
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,279
to Jane Mayer, who is a known liar in my end,

532
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,160
any one who earnestly links to her should never be trusted.

533
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,880
And that story doesn't need to be you know, I

534
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,400
don't trust that story. That said I don't know, I

535
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,559
mean there's a report that Trump is looking into maybe

536
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,319
having DeSantis in that role. I don't think that. I mean,

537
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,720
that doesn't seem like something DeSantis would want to do.

538
00:29:16,759 --> 00:29:19,039
It doesn't seem like Trump to me very much either,

539
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:19,440
But I.

540
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: Don't know, Okay, So just to me, there are different

541
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,920
issues in play here. One are the nature of the

542
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,400
attacks on Pete haig Seth, And the second thing is

543
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,680
what the actual opposition to Pete hagg Seth is. So

544
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:34,680
on the nature of the attacks, they're just like completely

545
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,000
made up. You're absolutely right. There were two dozen on

546
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:42,200
the record Fox employees, by being one of them, who said,

547
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
this just does not This is no way matches with

548
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:46,839
what we know him to be. This guy who's had

549
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,839
to get up at like three am four years to

550
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,519
host a very early morning show. If he were a drunk,

551
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,759
his two co hosts sitting inches from his face would know,

552
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,359
and they both say, it's just a complete nutter lie. Also,

553
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,039
I have I mean, I work out of DC and

554
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,240
he works out of New York. But we've you know,

555
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,599
so I don't know him like super well, but in

556
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,319
so far as I know him, it's just not true

557
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:16,680
in any way. And I have done TV at MSNBC, CNN,

558
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:20,200
and Fox, and so I've certainly encountered people who are

559
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:26,640
drinking in drinking on TV or prior to doing TV.

560
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,160
You can smell it, you can sense it, you can

561
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,960
you just you know, you know what it's like. And

562
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,599
it's just not Pete at all.

563
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,079
Speaker 1: Now, I honestly TV would be TV would be a

564
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,440
lot better if people drank a little more, probably, right.

565
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, And it is true that Pete has you know,

566
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,400
complicated marital history, and he has completely owned up to that,

567
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:59,400
you know, and it's in my view not in fact, Like,

568
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,400
one of the things I know about him is that

569
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,720
he is very honest about his failings and very humble

570
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,559
about them and repentant. And so it really annoys me

571
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,759
to see some of this stuff also because it has

572
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,640
nothing to do with why people actually oppose him. The

573
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,720
military industrial complex does not care about marriage or drinking,

574
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,279
neither which are live issues for him. They do care

575
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:33,480
about continuing their particular method of controlling the Pentagon, and

576
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,759
they do view him as a threat that way. And

577
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:37,440
so that's one of the things I find so annoying

578
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,680
In Washington, d C. This is a town that does

579
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,519
not care about infidelity. I cannot tell you how many

580
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,039
times I've been kind of made fun of for caring

581
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,599
about it or drunkenness. It's sadly a town that is

582
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,839
full of alcoholics, people with serious problems, and they don't

583
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,000
care about it. What they care about is continuing the

584
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,880
way things have been for decades. You have this change

585
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,720
election where the people are pushing for not having the

586
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,400
military be the way it is and having it instead

587
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,000
be like a world class fighting force. It's ready to

588
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,319
defend the nation's interests wherever we need to, and that's

589
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,279
what the opposition is about. That's why Joni Earnst and

590
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,920
Lindsey Graham are sort of secretly leading this opposition. Other

591
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,440
people in that military industrial complex operation are doing this.

592
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,039
I just wish they would be honest about why they

593
00:32:32,079 --> 00:32:36,640
oppose him, or Tulsi Gabbard or Cash Betel or you

594
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,240
know what I mean. They're not being honest about the

595
00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:42,240
actual nature of their disagreement, and I find that dishonorable.

596
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: I do want to add something to what I said

597
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,000
about how I want people to fix things. I don't

598
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,559
want them to fix all things. I want them to

599
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,720
fix the Department of Defense, the Justice Department to some extent,

600
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,039
but I want them to destroy the Department of Education, Department,

601
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,720
you know, the agg Department, the Energy Department. These things

602
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:08,519
should not exist at all. And anything Doge or anyone

603
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,400
can do to shrink them or destroy them or limit

604
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,160
their power, I think is good for the United States

605
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,039
because Democrats are going to come back at some point

606
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,960
and start trying to rebuild it again. So I think,

607
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,039
you know, I saw that Elon Musk sent out this

608
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,559
amazing video of Milton Friedman being interviewed where the Hoover

609
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,920
Institution person's asking him which departments should be Peter Robinson.

610
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:36,400
He's like, no, no, no, no, no, accept the Department

611
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,519
of Defense, I guess, and some others that are actually

612
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:44,680
constitutionally necessary, you know. Anyway, So that that is my

613
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:48,799
position on that. I I have some hope that that

614
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,039
that that that that will happen to some extent. Obviously,

615
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,720
I think clearing out the swamp or whatever is going

616
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,440
to be a lot more difficult than people think. So

617
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,960
you had mentioned earlier that the that Trump is already

618
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,880
basically acting as a de facto president right when he

619
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,880
had Trudeau and told him apparently that if Canada, if

620
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,199
he destroyed Canada with tariffs, that they could become the

621
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,360
fifty first state, and he could utch it could be

622
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,039
the governor of the fifty first state. I don't know

623
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,360
if people know this, but the per capita income of

624
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,199
a Canadian is lower than that of a per capita

625
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,599
income of a person in Mississippi. So Canada would be

626
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:32,840
our poorest state for sure. But I was really taken

627
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480
aback by what he said about the hostages in Israel,

628
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,519
and I have his wait just real.

629
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: Quick on the Canada thing. I thought it was funny

630
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,599
that Canada, which is slightly larger than the United States

631
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,639
and has many provinces ten right, I don't know how many,

632
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:53,079
It doesn't matter, thirteen doesn't matter. He was like, you

633
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:56,079
could become the fifty first state. Like they don't even

634
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,199
get the honor of each of their provinces becoming a state.

635
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: Well, I saw someone say Trump probably couldn't even name

636
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,400
all the provinces. Yeah, that's true. Most Americans probably can't

637
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,079
because we don't.

638
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: My bro married a Canadian woman, and when he was

639
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:15,039
courting her, her father was quizzing my brother with all

640
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:17,880
sorts of things, you know, Canadian related, including you know,

641
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,400
naming the provinces and their capitals, and he totally aced it.

642
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,239
And then my brother asked him to name all fifty

643
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,800
states and he couldn't do it.

644
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: So I know a lot about Canada because I'm a

645
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:31,880
big hockey fan, so I have to know about where

646
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,159
like Edmonton and Calgary and Winnipeg are. I would move

647
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:40,239
all those immediately, move all those you know, those teams

648
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,440
from those fake cities to real cities like Dayton or

649
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:44,800
Jacksonville or whatever.

650
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,679
Speaker 2: Have you spent time in Canada.

651
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: I've been a Toronto Montreal, so I feel.

652
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 2: Like it is the Uncanny Valley of the United States.

653
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,639
Like it almost seems like you're in your own country,

654
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,360
but you're not. You know, there are these like slight differences,

655
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,880
like yeah, if they were trying to convince you that

656
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,360
you're in America, but then they you know, it sort

657
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,239
of works and like they sort of sound American and

658
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,039
a lot of the same things are up there, and

659
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,320
then you'll just encounter things that they the algorithm got

660
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920
it wrong. This is not what I could expect.

661
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,199
Speaker 1: It's like when they film movies in Toronto and pretend

662
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,880
it's New York and you're like, something is off here.

663
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,679
Something's too nice about this, you know. Yeah, I mean

664
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,559
I think Canada is sort of a parasitic state, honestly.

665
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,239
I mean, I think it's economy is completely relying on ours.

666
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,559
I think Trump's wrong with this thing that they're ripping

667
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:36,800
us off. We're far wealthier than they are. If we

668
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,360
didn't have a trade and balance, it would mean that

669
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,800
we're equals, which were not. But I do always appreciate

670
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,000
anyone dunking on Canada. So even though I disagree with

671
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:50,199
the underlying argument, I'm off for it. But anyway, what

672
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,760
do you call a truth social tweet? Like? Is it

673
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,199
a a truth? A truth? Truth? That's excellent every I'm

674
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,440
just going to read it. Everyone is talking thinking about

675
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,440
the hostages who are being held so violently, inhumanly and

676
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,519
against the will of the entire world. Can just say

677
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,880
when you read his writ you know, when he actually

678
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,079
tweets something out or when his staff does right like

679
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,519
you know it. It's the capitalization and all that stuff,

680
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,400
but it's almost the best way to get into his mind,

681
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:17,159
you know, and how he's thinking when you read them

682
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:19,280
out aloud. It's kind of fun. Anyway, Everyone is talking

683
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,559
about the hostages who are being held so violently and

684
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:23,880
humanly and against the will of the entire world in

685
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,880
the Middle East. But it's all talk and no action.

686
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,079
Please let the truth serve to represent that if the

687
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,400
hostages are not released prior to January twenty twenty five,

688
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,719
the date that I proudly assume office of the President

689
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,440
of the United States, there will be all hell to pay,

690
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,760
all caps in the Middle East, and for those in

691
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,599
charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity, those responses will

692
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,320
be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the

693
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,639
longest storied history of the United States of America. Released

694
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,679
the hostages. Now. The best tweet I saw on this

695
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,679
is someone said that Trump speaks Arabic because this is

696
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,000
the kind of thing that that world to understands. There,

697
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:06,920
don't your whole blink in. You know, let's talk and

698
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:10,000
let's forge a cease fire, and all this cease fires.

699
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:12,239
To them, it's just a time to retrench. It's not

700
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,199
an actual time to make peace. They do understand power

701
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,199
and Trump. I think I was very happy to see this.

702
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,599
I don't know how you feel about it. And we'll see.

703
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:22,440
Maybe some of the hostage I think they may be dead,

704
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,280
but hopefully maybe someone will be released.

705
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: I just in general, anytime an American is held hostage

706
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:36,000
or in harm's way, I want our country go into

707
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,559
bat for them, you know, if at all possible. And

708
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,400
it has been confusing to me why so many Americans

709
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,880
care so little about the American hostages that Hamas took.

710
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,280
And I just I was happy to hear someone finally

711
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,679
speak the way that it seems to me we all

712
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,039
should be speaking about it. No, I don't want to.

713
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,400
I don't want to like get involved in a's crazy.

714
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,440
Like my main foreign policy idea with Israels is like

715
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,039
to let them do what they need to do. Not

716
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,960
that we need to be super involved in that effort,

717
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,719
but I just like the putting the fear of God.

718
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: Now, well, the only Americans that has died in this

719
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,960
conflict other than hostages are is a soldier who died

720
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,599
putting up that ridiculous floating doc that you know that

721
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:29,239
we're supposed to bring supplies into Gaza, you know that

722
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,880
Hummas constantly hijacks anyway, Yeah, I mean this is how

723
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,280
we should listen. I mean it's a little you know,

724
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,960
it's a little over the top, I admit, but I

725
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,800
mean people should fear. It's like, I can't remember the

726
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,280
exact instance, but one time Ronald Reagan said something like

727
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,480
very normal, and then on the hot mic, you know,

728
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,039
he I think purposely said something like the missiles will

729
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,119
be in the air in like five minutes or something. Remember,

730
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,519
So it's like having a president who's a little bit

731
00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,039
like a little bit off and a guy who may

732
00:39:59,159 --> 00:39:59,920
actually punish.

733
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: The bombing starts in five minutes. I believe he.

734
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: Starts in five minutes. Yeah, So I think Trump is

735
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,039
like that, but he doesn't pretend to. You know, he

736
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,079
doesn't do it on a hot mic. He just tweets

737
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,639
it out or truths it out for the world to see.

738
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: Not to be big in bombing in five minutes is

739
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,320
the last sentence of a controversial off the record joke

740
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,280
made by US President Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty four

741
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,840
during the Cold War. It is, by the way, a

742
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,519
reminder of how much things are the same even as

743
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:30,119
they change. How much resistance Ronald Reagan had for his

744
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,199
foreign policy, how they would always claim it was reckless,

745
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,920
and you know that no decent person supported it in

746
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,199
any way. The more things change.

747
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: All right, That's all I have anything. No, No, it's

748
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,719
actually relatively slow weak for the Trump era.

749
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that pardon was pretty big news.

750
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

751
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,079
Speaker 2: I do want to say one more thing about the

752
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:03,519
transition and all we're talking about Trump governing across space

753
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:09,199
and time for his upcoming presidency. But I think with

754
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,599
his nominations, he needs to, like the Senate won't be

755
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:17,039
seated and tell what is it the third Is that right?

756
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

757
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 2: And he needs to force a vote on some of

758
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,480
these nominees, even if Mitch McConnell is opposed to them.

759
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,280
I think forcing people to vote up or down is

760
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:34,599
like a worthwhile exercise and standing behind the nomin like

761
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,920
you should pick who he wants after he has vetted them,

762
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,599
and then once he does that, he should stick with them.

763
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,599
I'm saying this in part because I think he might

764
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:48,920
not do that in all cases, and it's just not great.

765
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,599
It's not a great sign of leadership to nominate and

766
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:54,840
then not like at least force a vote on it.

767
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,679
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know how quickly people usually

768
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,320
give the names for these kind of namies. It seem

769
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:06,119
pretty quick to for me. Definitely might it might have

770
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:08,559
helped him to take a little time first and do

771
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,960
whatever vetting within his own organization. However he's doing. I

772
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,639
think he did hand it over to the FBI in

773
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:16,119
the end. I saw a story about that. But whatever

774
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,719
he's doing, he probably should have done it a little,

775
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,719
you know, he should have thought about it more. Maybe

776
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,639
I like some of them, I don't like some of them.

777
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:26,920
As I said, I think the Senate's an independent, you know,

778
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,320
institution that needs to vet to its own vetting and stuff.

779
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,960
But well, yeah, I mean, you're right, he has every

780
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:35,960
right to do to push for that and see what happens.

781
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: I mean, and the Senate has the right to reject it,

782
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,760
but they should at least have to go through the

783
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,400
exercise of rejecting it. And there's some way that they

784
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,800
are also held accountable for their own decisions when you

785
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,079
don't pull it before.

786
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,079
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, I mean, I think it should all

787
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:55,480
be transparent. If they have a problem with the president's pick,

788
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:57,159
they should say it out loud. I mean, a lot

789
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,199
of these senators, you know, everyone says, oh, they're threatened

790
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,519
by Trump, and yeah, so every president is going to

791
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:05,119
have the power to make life difficult for you. But

792
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:07,880
these people are winning their Senate seats by huge margins.

793
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,199
It's you know, they're pretty safe, most of them, and

794
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:11,559
they don't have a lot to worry about, and they

795
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,039
act like a bunch of cowards sometimes I can't take it.

796
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,320
But do you want to talk about culture?

797
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,119
Speaker 2: I do.

798
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:21,159
Speaker 1: Oh sounds like you have something to talk about.

799
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to hear what you have to say.

800
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,199
I don't really have exciting things. Get did you see

801
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:32,599
that listener email asking for what we sang on Advent one? No,

802
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,800
this reminds me, thank you for reading our listener email

803
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,559
so carefully.

804
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: David, I see Advent and I probably just clicked my

805
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,320
eyes glaze over, but gone.

806
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:43,519
Speaker 2: First off, I know we're annoyed. We're all annoyed by this.

807
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,920
But in church on Sunday, the person sitting behind me

808
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:50,119
said that he was listening to our post election analysis

809
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,440
and it occurred to him that you had never upheld

810
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:59,159
your bet wager. I don't know from the twenty sixteen

811
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,320
election of a to come to church with me, and

812
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,840
I don't want I just I agree with this person,

813
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,519
and I don't want the first time you're at a

814
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:09,159
Lutheran service to be my funeral. So let's try to

815
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,519
make this happen before I die.

816
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I hope that happened. I hope I don't live

817
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,360
to see that happen, and maybe I'll never have to go. Yeah,

818
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,159
of course I had forgotten about it.

819
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,079
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

820
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.

821
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,559
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that me Trump wouldn't win in twenty sixteen,

822
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,079
and the price he has to pay is that he

823
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:36,920
gets to come to church with me. And it is

824
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,440
twenty twenty four, dear listener.

825
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,519
Speaker 1: So and it's not because I don't uphold bets. It's

826
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,679
because I'm lazy and I don't leave my house. But

827
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,960
I will say this, I once.

828
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: We're in my house on a Sunday morning, I'm just

829
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:49,960
going to point that out.

830
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:56,079
Speaker 1: That's true. At least put it this way. That was

831
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:57,960
a traumatic event in my life, I have to say.

832
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,000
And now it's you know, it's eight years ago. But

833
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:04,880
since then, I have avoided making anything that even sounds

834
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,039
like a prediction. I go out of my way always,

835
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,039
and when I'm on a podcast or whatever to say

836
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,280
that was not a prediction. Those those are just my thoughts.

837
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the proper humility to show about.

838
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,599
I wish it's okay that we all are wrong on

839
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,119
certain things, but then to not learn from it is

840
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:21,519
what I find so annoying.

841
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it's humility, but was hard hard. I learned it

842
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,159
the hard way by betting Molly having away on whether

843
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:28,199
Trump was going to win or not.

844
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the actual listener email. Dear Molly and David.

845
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,320
By the way, you got this email, subject line wake Awake,

846
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,280
it's the beginning of Advent, and I'm guessing Molly is

847
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,360
excited for some of the best hymns and music of

848
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,039
the church here if the church is still bold enough

849
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:48,679
to sing it. It sounds like you have a great congregation,

850
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,719
and I'd love to hear what you're singing today or

851
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,159
what preludes, postludes the organist is playing, et cetera. Is

852
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:58,599
there anything better than box walk it off? I don't

853
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,960
know how to speak German. I'm so sorry. It's like

854
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,639
my worst trade is a Lutheran well, okay, or a

855
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,800
congregation singing the hymn itself. On a different topic, have

856
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,519
you to ever discussed the movie High Fidelity on the show?

857
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:13,400
And so we can we can talk about that later.

858
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:15,880
But first the preludes.

859
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it now.

860
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,079
Speaker 2: Well, can I just I have my bulletin here, so

861
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,159
I'm just going to go through it. The preludes box

862
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:30,559
Nooncomb Deir hide in Highland and Hawwie's hark the glad sound.

863
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,239
Then we sang, Oh Lord, how shall I meet you,

864
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,719
which is a great hymn. And then we had a

865
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,840
baptism of two baby girls, and they were so precious

866
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:48,039
Mary and Madeleine. We also sang come Thou precious Ransom,

867
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:56,920
Come and hold on, Savior of the Nation's Come, which

868
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,960
is an excellent hymn. And then the bach collegium did

869
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,119
BWV sixty two lobes segot dem vater gaetone. I know

870
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:13,119
I'm offending everybody with my horrible pronunciation. And then inso

871
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,679
Lord Jesus quickly come, the choir saying by months and

872
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,159
the death of Jesus Christ, our Lord, O bride of

873
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,679
Christ rejoiced. And then the final hymn was the Advent

874
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,400
of our King, and our post lude was Veny Emmanuel

875
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,239
by Hailstork. So there you go.

876
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,599
Speaker 1: I'm believe I'm missing all that. I gotta go.

877
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: Not a bach, it is actually one of the coolest

878
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,000
things about my congregation is the bach collegium does a

879
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:45,280
piece of bach every single week. It's it's I go

880
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,639
to church for the doctrine and for receiving the Word

881
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:51,480
of God and receiving the sacrament, but it is so

882
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,519
cool that we get to hear a beautiful bach piece

883
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,480
literally every week during the offertory. I mean, it's just

884
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,440
our congregation is so talented and we have so many

885
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:06,239
professional musicians and professional singers, and it really adds to it.

886
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,840
I came from like country churches where I was in

887
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,239
the choir and it was not I mean, I love

888
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,360
that too, I really do. But I know to be

889
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,599
grateful to God for what we get to hear each week.

890
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:19,519
It's really beautiful.

891
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:25,119
Speaker 1: Sounds like a good time. Yeah, I don't know what

892
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:25,480
to say.

893
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: Now do you want to talk about I want to

894
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,639
just explain. Advent is the first season of the church

895
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:34,199
here and it is where you prepare for Jesus' birth

896
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,280
but also for the second coming. It has multiple things

897
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,119
you're dealing with. It is a penitential season. So it

898
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:44,519
is one of these weird things because it occurs at

899
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,519
the time of greatest partying in America. Everyone's partying during

900
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,239
Advent in America, and they call it Christmas, but we

901
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,360
call it we are celebrating or marking Advent. And then

902
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,320
Christmas starts on December twenty fifth, which is precisely the

903
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,440
moment that most Americans have decided to give up on Christmas,

904
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,360
and then we do twelve days of Christmas beginning that day,

905
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,639
and then it leads into Epiphany, and so it's just

906
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,920
it's a really big season in the Lutheran Church, and

907
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,440
it's one of those times when you feel a little

908
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,119
bit at odds from the Americans.

909
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one of those Advent calendars somewhere around here.

910
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:26,039
Well I don't have it, but it's around here somewhere. Okay,

911
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,039
that's that's nice. It's a fun time, fun time of

912
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,880
the year, right. Or did you want to talk about

913
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,400
High Fidelity? I know you brought it up.

914
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: I need to prepare for that. We can do that later.

915
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,920
I haven't seen it or read it in a long time.

916
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,960
I mean, I feel like it was twenty years ago

917
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:46,280
that I read that. Or yeah, I do remember this

918
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,039
one part of High Fidelity, which was based on someone

919
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,000
I remember because someone was talking about it this week.

920
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,519
But where a guy comes into the store, and Jack

921
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:57,599
Black is working in the store and he wants to

922
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:59,760
buy I Just Called to Say I Love You by

923
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:06,679
Stevie Wonder, and Jack Black yells at him and says

924
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,920
it's like the worst part of his musical ouver and

925
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,679
that he's not going to sell it to him.

926
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,199
Speaker 1: So anyway, I don't remember the movie exactly. I don't

927
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,800
know if I ever read the book, so I will

928
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,440
revisit this.

929
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,639
Speaker 2: Those Nick Hornby Little books are the easiest things to read,

930
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,599
so if you're just looking for something, you know, at

931
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:30,960
the beach, they're usually pretty enjoyable.

932
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: All right, is that is? Do you have anything else? Well?

933
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: I have been really really hunkered down working on this book,

934
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,400
so I haven't had a ton of time. But I

935
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,519
always try to watch something while i'm rowing, and I

936
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:53,679
have recently watched Man on the Inside. Have you seen

937
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:54,639
that Man.

938
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: On the Inside? Note? What is it?

939
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,679
Speaker 2: It's clearly done by the exact same people who did

940
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,360
The Good Place, which was.

941
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: Oh this is yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the guy

942
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,719
who's in the nursing home, Ted Danson and all that dancing.

943
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,639
Speaker 2: And a lot of the same people, And it's fairly enjoyable.

944
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:12,039
It's not like groundbreaking, but it's fine.

945
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,679
Speaker 1: Oh good. Now I was thinking about maybe watching that.

946
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Speaker 2: Oh and I think like last week finished watching The

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Diplomat Kerry Russell. We'd already talked about that, which was

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pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I watched a movie called Nutcrackers with Ben Stiller on Hulu.

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Have you heard of this? It's kind of like a

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Christmas movie. It's about these kids who are orphaned. I

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think there's four boys or three boys. Four boys, three

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Boys has a sweet story I think at the end

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in Christmassy kind of movie, and it's very nice. Then

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I watched something amazing HBO or whatever it's called. Max

956
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has a documentary on yacht rock.

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Speaker 2: I love yacht rock. I'm totally gonna listen watch this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it starts with, you know, it gives the

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history of yacht rock. Obviously, so one of the big

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one of the main groups in the in the documentary

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and characters are is Steely Dan and Dan Volgelberg. Now,

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I don't know, I don't really like that music very much,

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So I don't know who should be considered yacht rock,

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but it is in this in this documentary, and I'm

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I don't want to give it away, but Dan Volgelberg

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strongly disagrees with that, with that with including them in

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this genre, but it has you know, Kenny Loggins, who

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I didn't realize I'd written all these seventies like soft

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rock songs and yacht rock songs, Christopher Cross, Michael McDonald,

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you know, the Doobie Brothers, all of this stuff. And

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you know, I will watch basically any documentary about music.

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So but I thought it was well done and I

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think you'll enjoy it because Steely Dan is a big

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part of the story. And I know I think you're fan, right,

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I know you're a Dan Folgelberg fan.

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Speaker 2: Maybe No, I'm a Donald Fagan fan.

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Speaker 1: Is Donald Fagan not in Steely Dan? Who's Donald Fagan?

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Was he in another band? Or he's just a solo artist?

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Speaker 2: Do you really not know who?

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this movie music? Yes, he

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was until this moment. Have confused them my whole life.

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Wait confused whom Donald Donald Fagan and Don Folgelberg? What's

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his name? The Gyerg? I've confused those two people. I

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thought they were the same person. So explain to me.

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Speaker 2: Donald Fagan did one of my favorite albums of all time,

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The Nightfly, which just was one of the first albums

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I listened to in the when I was pretty young,

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and I still listened to it and I love it.

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One of my friends, I don't know if you remember this,

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had said that listening to you and Me is like

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listening to her parents be confused watching a movie. And

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I feel like today's episode, really we hit that mark.

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Speaker 1: So it's okay for you, okay boomer episode. Well they're

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all okay boomer episodes probably, but in any event, it

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was fun to watch and that was pretty much it

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for me again. All Right, I gotta I'm gonna have

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to research this. I apologize for confusing them. They're listening.

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That's it. You're not gonna say anything. You're done. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna check out the yacht Rock documentary. It sounds

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perfect for my.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. They may mention him too, but

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since I confused them in my mind already know if

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they had done. But Michael McDonald, you know, he the man.

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Speaker 2: Is incredible and totally just like been incredible for decades.

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Speaker 1: Go On and Christopher Cross had this album and everyone

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knows the songs and he you know, and could it

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was just massive, you know, massive album. I think it

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was nineteen eight. He won all the Grammys, everything, and

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it was just he talks about how hard it is to,

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you know, once you hit the top right away, how

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hard is to replicate that. He never could obviously, And

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so it's just interesting about the people and it's just interesting.

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The story was good recommended. All right, that's it. Well,

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I'll have more confusing. I'll be confusing the celebrities again

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next week, I'm sure. And until then, Lots of Freedom

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mixed for the Fray