WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:08.519 This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me 2 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:17.160 covering Dungeon Crawler Carl Book five, The Butcher's Masquerade, chapters 3 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:24.960 sixty three through sixty six. In these chapters, our friends 4 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:32.200 are getting to the masquerade itself. I don't like the 5 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.320 looks of any of what's going on here, but I 6 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:43.079 will confess I don't really know what's going on. I 7 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:47.159 don't think I'm meant to know what's going on, and 8 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:50.640 I'm just gonna let it wash over me. That's just 9 00:00:51.439 --> 00:01:14.439 what's best. Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the show. Everyone. 10 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:19.000 I am Natasha. Thank you very much to Jackie again 11 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.599 for commissioning this episode. Jackie, appreciate you so much, my friend. 12 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:29.719 Hope that you are enjoying these episodes. So, yeah, guys, 13 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:35.959 this was like a I actually really appreciated that. At 14 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.799 one point, I think Louis or Faraz, one of the 15 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:42.319 two of them, says something about how they're having Iron 16 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.760 Tangle flashbacks, and I was like, Okay, good, because I 17 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:50.760 was feeling rather confused by a lot of it, not 18 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:57.000 in a way that I found necessarily frustrating, because I 19 00:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.319 was sort of just taking it as like a Okay, 20 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.439 I bet to a certain degree, I don't really need 21 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.480 to like remember all of this, but more in a 22 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:12.080 way that I was sort of growing worried. Am I 23 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:16.080 going to regret not trying to get a better handle 24 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:20.000 on all of this? And his comment about the iron 25 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:24.000 tangle was sort of reassuring, I think to me in 26 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.599 a sense that it was just don't worry. I know 27 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.680 it's a lot, it's fine, just enjoy the show. Kind 28 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:33.759 of that was what the like. It felt like a 29 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.840 reassurance from the author. And you know, I may be 30 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.000 totally wrong about that. It may not be what he 31 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.879 intended by that at all, but I am going to 32 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:46.159 tell you guys that that's how I interpret it. Is 33 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:48.680 so that if there is something that I missed and 34 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.840 you're like listening to this coverage, going, how has she 35 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:57.479 not put two and two together yet? That's how I 36 00:02:57.479 --> 00:02:59.520 have not put two and two together yet? Is that 37 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:01.960 I am just like, it's probably that I don't need 38 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:08.360 to know right anyways, So this section is is really 39 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:13.080 interesting because we have everybody like working together on a 40 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:18.639 certain level, but also they are having to adapt on 41 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:26.120 the fly repeatedly, and they are also like being what's 42 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:32.879 the word I want here scuppered, I suppose by some 43 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.400 folks who don't want to be part of a team. 44 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.479 And you know, we've got Eva who turns up later 45 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:44.599 on after Carl has put all of these potions out 46 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:48.360 and all of this equipment and stuff, and she just 47 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:52.319 takes everything and then just like makes snide comments. And 48 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.520 I don't know about you all and how you have 49 00:03:56.599 --> 00:04:00.199 felt about Eva. I am kind of curious, like what 50 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:07.159 the overall audience vibe has been. But I don't think 51 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:14.159 that I expected Eva to be willing to just to 52 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.199 put everybody at risk in that way where she would 53 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:20.959 just take all of the supplies and just say screw 54 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:26.959 you to everybody. I know that she is like that, 55 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:32.360 she has been willing to throw people to the wolves, 56 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.959 so to speak. But I thought it was sort of 57 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.800 a if it's necessary in this situation, I'll do what 58 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:46.160 I have to do kind of mentality. And what it 59 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:50.720 seems like instead is much more I am out to 60 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:56.040 like fuck everybody over in every sense I can come 61 00:04:56.160 --> 00:05:01.759 up with, which there's something much more like malicious and 62 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:06.639 purposeful about that, which I wasn't really expecting. And it 63 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:12.000 made me very sad because it's not really as if 64 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:16.879 I had been expecting better of her exactly. It's more that, 65 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:22.600 like I thought it was a passive effect that she 66 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:26.639 was simply selfish and the side effect of that was 67 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:31.680 affecting other people badly, But I didn't think that it 68 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:37.480 was there being an actual malice. And when it starts 69 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.120 to get to that place where it feels like I 70 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:46.680 just enjoy screwing with everybody and sabotaging things, I don't 71 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.920 know how to cope with that. Guys. I will be 72 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.240 very honest, like this is something that I run into 73 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.759 in real life as well, and I never really know 74 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:01.600 what to do because there's not a way to reason 75 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:07.560 with a person who's motivated by this sort of enjoyment 76 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:12.839 of causing mayhem and pain. There's no way to like 77 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.959 argue the position because there's no logic involved with their 78 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.480 enjoying that. And so the only way to sort of 79 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:26.399 convince them to like work with everybody is to give 80 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:35.480 them some other way of achieving that outcome. And how 81 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.120 do you do that without basically tacitly agreeing that they 82 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:44.600 can hurt people later instead of now, you know, and 83 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.160 putting folks in their way for them to fuck with 84 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.959 eventually down the line, just to buy yourself some time. 85 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:57.079 At this moment, I don't if anytime that people just 86 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:04.600 enjoy hurting others. I genuinely am flabbergasted because it's so 87 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.879 unthinkable to me. I don't even really like hurting people 88 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:15.199 that I dislike or hate. I don't like I can 89 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.000 take a sort of grim satisfaction in it when it happens. 90 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:21.959 But I don't think that I could do it to 91 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:26.720 somebody in a particular like I could take somebody out. 92 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:28.800 I feel like if I felt like the world's better 93 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:30.800 off without them in it and we just need to 94 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.040 like eliminate them, that's a different thing than making somebody 95 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:37.199 suffer and liking that part of it, you know what 96 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:38.959 I'm saying. And that's just sort of where it feels 97 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:43.720 like it's at with her. I don't know. Ooh, Ariz 98 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.199 just says, I have a map. I have a map. 99 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.759 I will put in the discord for you. Awesome, thank you, Irazoo. 100 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:52.879 I think Eva is mentally ill, and without Heckla as 101 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:56.720 a handler, she's gone off the rails. That's interesting. I mean, 102 00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.360 that does make sense. It's funny too, because she was 103 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.639 the psychiatrist right Sarah him says, yeah, I get the 104 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:05.639 feeling she was always like this. Heckla was just keeping 105 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.959 her in check. Michael says, Hecla is manipulating Eva to 106 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.079 do the dirty shit she didn't want to do herself, 107 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.319 which fucked up even even more. And without Hekla, she's 108 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:16.600 just angry and lashing out, mostly at Katchya for killing Hecla. 109 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.360 It's kind of like the Batman Joker arguments us nerds 110 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:22.519 do online. Batman is responsible for the murders of hundreds 111 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:24.839 because he refuses to murder Joker even after he has 112 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:28.519 escaped dozens of times to murder even more innocent people. Yeah, 113 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:30.480 and this is like, this is a question that comes 114 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.120 up all the time, right and I later on I'll 115 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:39.240 be covering the first book of the Expanse series, Leviathan 116 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.039 Rises or no, Leviathan Wakes. Leviathan Rises is I think 117 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.440 the second or third book. But there is a character 118 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.039 in that who last week I was just talking about 119 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:52.559 our last episode that he seems to think that if 120 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:58.840 you just like don't initiate on like hurting a person, 121 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:03.879 that it's keeping your hands clean, even if by not 122 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:08.480 doing that you are going to be causing more suffering, 123 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.720 and to me, that's a very childish understanding of the 124 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:19.919 concept of consequences and responsibility. It feels for me naive 125 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.919 isn't quite strong enough a word. It's over simplistic to 126 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.679 a degree that feels purposely obtuse, you know what I'm saying, 127 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:32.799 And it's just so convenient a way to let yourself 128 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:39.200 off the hook for a very complicated situation. So Eduardo says, 129 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:41.440 I may be wrong, but isn't there a high incidence 130 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.519 of psychiatrists going into that profession as a way of 131 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:47.679 trying to understand themselves. I don't know about that, Eduardo, 132 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:48.960 but I do know that it's a bit of a 133 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.799 trope that like, oh, the psychiatrist is the crazy person 134 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:55.679 in a lot of fiction, so that maybe where that 135 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.759 comes from, I don't know, Michael, Just like pyromaniacs gravitate 136 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.200 to be firemen and bullies gravitate to being cops. Yeah, 137 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.240 there's like a list of certain professions that people who 138 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:10.720 have a bit of sociopathy tend to get into, and 139 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:16.600 it's often positions of authority over others and over the helpless. 140 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.559 Explicitly nurses is you know, getting into the medical field 141 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:25.080 is one of them. But I digress, so let's get 142 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.159 back to chapter sixty three. The start of this is 143 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:34.679 Karl talking to Signet about what is going to happen 144 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:40.399 during the event, and it's one of those really like 145 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:49.360 tricky situations where Carl knows that he can't really likely 146 00:10:49.440 --> 00:10:54.000 get through to Signet fully, but he has to at 147 00:10:54.200 --> 00:11:00.360 least make the attempt. And what's happening here is that 148 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:07.159 Signet is fully, fully anticipating that she is going to 149 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:13.639 be able to begin her assault on Imagen during this event, 150 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:18.919 and Karl knows they are not going to allow that 151 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.159 to happen. And it's for a number of reasons, but 152 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:27.600 the main issue is whatever winds up on film as 153 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:31.320 a result of that would be fought over between the 154 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.399 people who are running the Krawl and the people who 155 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:40.000 are running the Vengeance of the Daughter show that Signet 156 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:45.200 is the star of. So it just puts them in 157 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.600 a weird position where there will be like a whole 158 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:53.600 you know, court issue over it, and likely the people 159 00:11:53.639 --> 00:12:00.720 who run the Krawl will find a way to like 160 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:05.120 take Signet out or force the show to take her out. 161 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.759 And if Carl is the one who put them in 162 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.440 the position where they have to do that. They will 163 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.519 also take Carl out as vengeance for the daughter, lol, 164 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:21.039 because he caused this whole situation to be what it is, 165 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.960 so you know, if he pushes this too hard, he's 166 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.639 fucking himself over also. And he's trying to convince her 167 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:33.519 to like do things another way, both as a means 168 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:38.720 of avoiding getting in trouble himself getting her in trouble, 169 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.840 and also using her. He's hoping that if he can 170 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:46.600 like convince her to wait and handle things a certain way, 171 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:50.919 they will be able to use signet as a distraction. 172 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.840 And he feels a little guilty because he understands that 173 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:59.960 she sees him explicitly as an ally and he knows 174 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.480 that he is taking advantage of that to a degree. 175 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:08.039 But he's got to do what he's got to do, 176 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:13.240 you know what I mean. And I understand him feeling 177 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:17.759 bad about it, But I don't fault him in any 178 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.960 way for this, not even a little bit. This is 179 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:24.240 just what has to happen, and it would be awesome 180 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.480 if he weren't put in the position where these are 181 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:31.279 the only choices that he has. But I don't really 182 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.080 feel like there was another way to handle this that 183 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:38.440 would have kept him alive, and I feel like, even 184 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:42.879 though it's a secondary consideration, it is probably going to 185 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:48.240 like go some ways toward keeping her alive also, So 186 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.639 how bad is it really? I don't know, you know, 187 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.639 I'm sorry, I just tell Michael's comment. Can I just 188 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.120 say that Vengeance of the Daughter is clearly a crap show? 189 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:01.720 They're a parent big plan finale is for Signet to 190 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.759 confront the sister who stole everything from her and get 191 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.799 squashed like a bug. How is that entertaining? It isn't 192 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.159 even properly tragic, since she'd presumably be swatted like a fly, 193 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.039 follow this character and her friends for a long time, 194 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:16.600 and then watch them die horribly nice storyline. It's an 195 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.960 interesting question, Michael, because like it does sort of seem 196 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:23.879 like that is their destiny. But was this the plan 197 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.639 from the start? Or was Imagen turned into the big 198 00:14:27.679 --> 00:14:31.200 bad for this floor after they had already decided for 199 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.000 Vengeance of the Daughter that Imagen was going to be 200 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:36.799 her big bad? Was this the plan all along for 201 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:38.720 it to like work out this way? Because I know 202 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.480 that things have shifted and been changed a number of times, 203 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.720 and it's hard for me to tell how much of 204 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.600 this is predetermined and how much of it was adjusted, 205 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:53.440 and not that it really matters, but like it does 206 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.519 seem sometimes like the people who run the Crawl just 207 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.759 like fucking with the the showrunners, you know, of the U, 208 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:05.639 these other dramas. So yeah, I don't know. Eduardos has 209 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.799 given how sadistic the Broader Universe seems as a whole. 210 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.039 They may be into that kind of crap show though 211 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:14.840 they might, Eduardo, but it does seem like they aren't 212 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.320 that into it based on the way that, like Quasar 213 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:21.279 said that the show just sucks balls unless Dona and 214 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.600 Carl are there. So I don't know, I really I 215 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.840 it seems like they were if they, Like, we're giving 216 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:35.080 them credit also for planning ahead quite a bit, and 217 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.919 I don't know how much of that credit they really deserve, 218 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:42.720 because there are times where writers just fly by the 219 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.840 seage of their pants, you know what I mean. And 220 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:46.879 so part of me is sort of like, are they 221 00:15:46.879 --> 00:15:50.200 trying to blame Carl for some shit that's really their 222 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.600 own fault because they just didn't handle this all that well. 223 00:15:55.360 --> 00:16:04.440 I don't know anyway, So I the whole thing with 224 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:08.759 him talking with her is also kind of punctuated by 225 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:12.919 this weird sense of unease at the fact that she's 226 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:18.039 being really intimate with him in putting her hand on 227 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:22.240 his knee and leaning on him, and he is thinking 228 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:27.120 about how Doughnut said that it's always like the night 229 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.480 before the battle, that the main character has to have 230 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.559 sex with somebody to blow off some steam, and you know, 231 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:38.919 that doesn't actually wind up coming to anything here, And 232 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.240 I was sort of surprised that there wasn't even like 233 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:46.039 a hint of it being what she's attempting to do. 234 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.639 I am curious if you all were sort of expecting 235 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.559 this to be more of a thing, because I was, 236 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:55.279 and I'm not mad at it at all. For the record, 237 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:58.279 I'd rather we not do this, But I really did 238 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:02.360 expect that since it was set up that it was, 239 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.400 you know, kind of expected that it would definitely be 240 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.559 followed through on in some fashion. And maybe it will 241 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:10.799 be a little later, I don't know. I don't know. 242 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:20.200 So we go over to the safe room and we 243 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:24.559 have got five more crawlers who were given things from 244 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:28.599 their benefactors that are all meant to go to Donut, 245 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.440 and Mordecai says that he has never seen anything like 246 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.079 this before. The only one who actually got stuff for 247 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:39.039 themselves is Katya. She gets a beanie that increases all 248 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.000 her stats by three percent and gives her a spell 249 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.119 called I Need My Personal Space, which violently knocks everybody 250 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.880 back with a powerful blow, and it affects her own 251 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:55.599 team as well, and I'm very excited to see exactly 252 00:17:55.599 --> 00:18:00.880 how that all works. We'd receive notifications because we were bringing 253 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:05.160 attendance to the party, meaning the pets, dinosaurs, two Cretans, 254 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:08.359 and Samantha, that we'd be escorted in instead of being 255 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.440 teleported in that Brambles would overtake the village in an 256 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.519 hour and a half. Doughnut remained outside with the dinosaurs 257 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.720 and Brittany her plus one, practicing for the Big Talent 258 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:25.279 Show dance number. And Brittany, as we see later, she's very, 259 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:34.480 very twitchy. I am extremely concerned that she is going 260 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:40.079 to wind up being a serious weak link. I just 261 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:47.839 don't at all like where like the vibes that I'm 262 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.799 getting from her and the way that it seems she's 263 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:54.400 also the one. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, but 264 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.359 I think that she is the one that Katya mentioned 265 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.960 had nothing in her blood bar because she had actually 266 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:05.160 done no damage whatsoever this floor, is that right? So, like, 267 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:09.119 I don't want to go so far as to call 268 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:13.119 Brittany useless. I feel like that's pretty harsh, but it 269 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:20.599 does seem like she is uh timid. And later on, 270 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.960 after there is the conversation with Imagen that we of 271 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.319 course will get to, she says something about how Imagen 272 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:30.839 reminds her of her mom, and I was like, Yeah, 273 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.039 all of this is really stacking up to make it 274 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.799 seem like Brittany is not the person to rely on 275 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.119 for this whole plan. But it seems like we're relying 276 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:47.000 on her in some pretty important fashion. And she set 277 00:19:47.119 --> 00:19:50.839 off her shield spell that has like a four hour 278 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:55.440 cool down. She sets it off just on impulse when 279 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.960 Imagen shows up, which, like the whole thing was, is 280 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.200 your cool down reas set? You know, she's just already 281 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.480 fucking up. And she's also later we see her wearing 282 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:12.519 this like weird jacket that's very itchy, So I'm assuming 283 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.680 that it's made from something weird and I don't know 284 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:21.440 if it's supposed to be like it's actually an explosive. 285 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:28.440 Because Carl is a little bit worried that they are 286 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:31.400 going to clock it as a weapon when they get searched. 287 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:34.839 So it seems to me that it must be something 288 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:38.880 that's sort of offensive, But I don't know what it 289 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:42.880 could be. I am trying to think there there are 290 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:51.920 so many abilities and hacks and loopholes to like keep 291 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.599 track of, you know, guys, that there are a lot 292 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:58.799 of things that I think if I had some sort 293 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:03.480 of spreadsheet that I was always double checking about who's 294 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.000 got what and can do what, maybe I would be 295 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.880 able to pinpoint, oh, Okay, probably this is what's happening here. 296 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.480 But I really don't want to go through that effort. 297 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.519 I don't feel like I want to solve this like 298 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.559 it's a mystery. I just want to let it happen 299 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:21.640 and then see what it turns out to be. I 300 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:26.599 think that's fine. Michael says. I don't know if the 301 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:29.039 broader universe is supposed to be any more statistic than 302 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:32.160 we are. Honestly, the descriptions of how people acted at 303 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:34.599 crawlcom really fit a lot of how people act at ARCNS. 304 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:36.640 It's just that they are cheering about real people dying, 305 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.319 of course, but that isn't so far from us. Public 306 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.319 executions used to be used as entertainment. Gladiatorial combat was 307 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.000 also common, and while most gladiators didn't die, the slaves 308 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:50.119 they used as Podder did. Yeah. I think that her 309 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.559 jumpy trigger finger on her shield and her empty blood 310 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:54.799 bar doesn't speak well as to her ability in the game. 311 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.200 I think the implication for her characters that she finds 312 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:58.920 someone to cling to to take care of her the 313 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:01.359 skeezy plastics surch when we first met her and now 314 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:05.519 fi Us Yeah, agreed fully. So, Yeah, whatever it is 315 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:13.799 that they've got her doing, I really hope that they 316 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:19.279 have accounted for the fact that she doesn't seem reliable. 317 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:23.160 I mean, they clearly know that about her, but it 318 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:27.400 still seems like they are relying on her in a 319 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.440 way that I'm not mad at them for, because like, truly, 320 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:34.680 what options do we actually have? You know? But I 321 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.640 also can't help but feel like, oh, I just don't 322 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:42.319 like that you're doing this, Like just fucking find it 323 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.119 a way to like execute this whole plan without involving 324 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.799 her at all, and frankly, that's just probably not possible. 325 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:56.359 So there's this stuff that like Carl is seeing that 326 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:03.160 Doughnut has accumulated recharge wand scroll I understand the same 327 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.519 with the tiara and the sheet music. But what's the 328 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:09.079 stick for? And this I picked up the ball peen hammer. 329 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.400 The whole thing fit in my hand. It had been 330 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.440 given to Amani. She'd gotten to notice that Boran had 331 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.319 filed a dangerous appeal to keep the gift from arriving, 332 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:22.599 an appeal that had been immediately denied. Why give it 333 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:25.000 to Donut? She can't even use it. What is she 334 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.279 supposed to do? Hold it in her mouth? And what 335 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:32.960 does the name mean? Enchanted hammer? A fast forward. This 336 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.160 is a small hammer. It's enchanted. That means it's magical. 337 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:42.519 It just doesn't do anything magical, which like, how is 338 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:47.319 it enchanted but doesn't do anything magical? I don't know 339 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:54.319 what that means. I like, how does that work? What? 340 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:59.839 And he eventually he's like running his fingers over it, 341 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:04.319 and he's like, oh shit, there's a number seven on 342 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:10.000 the end of this. And I'll be honest, He jumps 343 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:14.599 immediately in his mind to maybe this is supposed to 344 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:20.480 mean floor seven, which, you know, considering what all they 345 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:23.079 are in the midst of it makes sense that's what 346 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:26.559 he would think of. But I will be honest, guys, 347 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:31.200 what I immediately thought of as like assembly instructions. I 348 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:36.359 was thinking about those, you know, pieces of furniture that 349 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.400 poor people wind up having to assemble themselves, and there 350 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.759 are little stickers on the parts that are like ABCD, 351 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.839 et cetera, and then numbers or A one, A two, 352 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:50.759 a three, and you have to get your little like 353 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:59.000 very frustratingly vague instructions and assemble the thing using these 354 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:04.559 numbers to connect each thing to each other, which might 355 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:08.039 account for the fact that they are not able, that 356 00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.960 they like are enchanted but don't do anything. Perhaps it 357 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.400 is that they are the sum of their parts but 358 00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:16.559 don't do anything on their own, you know what I mean, 359 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.160 And it's that they have to be connected to one 360 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:24.039 another in order for something to actually get activated. I 361 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:29.839 don't know, but I did want to mention that as 362 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:36.240 a possibility, and it like it just a hammer doesn't 363 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:42.400 seem as if it itself would be a part. It 364 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:46.519 would be something to use to assemble stuff potentially, but 365 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:51.920 then it being called fast forward that doesn't quite work then, 366 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.640 you know, So I don't know. I just had a 367 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:01.519 lot of thoughts going around in my head there, and 368 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.480 he comes to the conclusion in the end because he's 369 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.960 sort of wondering why somebody would just be sending all 370 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:13.640 of this stuff to Donut, and he comes to the 371 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:20.880 conclusion that it's because whoever is sending this stuff doesn't 372 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:25.119 think anyone else is going to survive. He thinks that 373 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:29.440 all of them believe she's the one that's going to 374 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:34.039 remain standing. And then we get this little bit it's 375 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.359 why Quasar wanted donuts name on the board of directors 376 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:41.319 for our new corporation, and just sort of drops that 377 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.200 in there like it's nothing, and I was like, excuse 378 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.839 me for your what now, Like, you know, we didn't 379 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.799 get any details on this. We have him and Carl meeting, 380 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:54.480 and then the camera cuts away, so to speak, and 381 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.319 so we don't get to see exactly what all happens there. 382 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:03.319 So this just gets mentioned in this offhand way, and 383 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:08.720 I was just sort of blinking in surprise. I don't know. 384 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:15.000 There's a conversation later with the princess turned Empress Denaudia, 385 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.240 who turns up as well, and Carl says something about 386 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:24.519 how he has a newfound disdain for her or something 387 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:29.319 like that, and I think that this has to be 388 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.920 related to whatever was going on with them behind the 389 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.400 scenes that we didn't get a chance to see yet, 390 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:39.319 so we'll see. I'm just like very much sitting here 391 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.160 waiting for a lot of things to be revealed. We've 392 00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:49.720 got even Carl says in this whole scene, like at 393 00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:54.599 the end with Mordecai, I don't like all these loose ends. 394 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.759 I'm always spinning plates, but this feels like it's too much. 395 00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:02.680 Something is going to go wrong, and Mordecai helpfully just 396 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:09.599 says always does, which you know, not exactly super encouraging, bro, 397 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.640 But I also can't argue with you, so you know 398 00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:18.079 there's that, and like something will go wrong, of course, 399 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:23.319 there's just things go wrong before they even really get started, 400 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:27.759 because they are operating with whatever information they have, which 401 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:31.920