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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, we are recording at the Injective Policy Summit

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in Washington, DC, and joining me is Anthony Howell, who

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is the overseas representative for the Government of Bermuda. He's

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also the director of the Washington DC Office. Anthony. Great

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to have you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Tony for having me here today.

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Is absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Anthony, we've met quite a few times over the

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years at these different crypto policy summits and so forth.

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It's good to see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have just never been able to pin down

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a podcast, so I'm very glad you took the time

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out to get me on here today, So I'm very appreciative.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm more excited because I followed what the or

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what Bermuda has been doing over the years with approaching

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Web three, taking the economy on chain, and much much more.

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It's a plethora of initiatives you guys have going on.

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But let's start with quickly with your background and what

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you do and how'd you make your way into this's

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Web three industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, no problem. Yes, as you mentioned, Bermuda is

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doing a lot, and I think that kind of is

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a juxtaposed to my background and why I'm in this position.

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I am. My background is in politics, law. I have

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a very background from multiple different universities. I've been in

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the tech space for probably about going on maybe six

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years now, so I do have the expertise there, got

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some certificates in that as well. And really it's just

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been a fascinating journey from my standpoint because I entered

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this office back in twenty twenty two and this was

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the initiative of pushing the Director for Digital Asset and

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Corporation into BERMUDA with the legislation being written just a

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few years before that, and really seeing the transformation in

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the United States and Bermuda's being so close as a

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jurisdiction to the US kind of being integrated into their

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own system a little bit in terms of those conversations

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and dialogue. So it's been a very interesting journey.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh, the world is moving so fast towards technology

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with AI, blockchain, crypto, robotics and all these things. A

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brand new world.

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Speaker 2: Always a brand new world. And one thing I've learned

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is that technology doesn't stop for anybody.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a clock, right, It's inevitable. Right,

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So tell us about BERMUDA is different initiatives around Web

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three and what you guys are working on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Bermuda's been a leader in Web three.

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I think it's one of the first jurisdictions to really

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have legislation in place for the Digital Asset of Business

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Act DABBA was put forward in twenty seventeen and acted

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into low in twenty eighteen with the Digital Asset and

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Issuance Act that came right behind that as well. And

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in that space, it's allowed us to really become the

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leader that most countries almost aspired to be. It's allowed

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us to really get that foothold. We've engaged with different jurisdictions.

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We've had you know, shared reciprocity to basically indicate what

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worked for us. We really see that the benefit of

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it is a lot of companies saying, hey, we need

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that clarity, we need that jurisdiction that has great regulatory

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spacing and great legislation in place, and it's a great

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jurisdiction to operate out of. And so we've seen massive

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growth of companies have interest in Bermuda and come to

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our shores. And you know, Web three we've done so

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much in that space. I mean, it's easier to listen

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to things we haven't done things we have done.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. And you guys were so early to passing

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crypto legislation. You mentioned it was put forth in twenty seventeen,

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passing twenty eighteen. I mean that's almost unheard of. Yes,

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so early, because this acid class was still so young,

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a baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was, And I think that that kind of

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really plays to Bermuda's innovation and how it styles itself.

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We do as a small jurisdiction, our main industry is

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you know, international corporate business insurance. Reassurance is a big

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proponent of that, international finance, and so we have to

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be very innovative because we don't we don't have oil,

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we don't have gold. Sure, we have to be on

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top and on and very in front of what the

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new wave technology looks like. And as we saw was

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coming down the pipeline and that's why DABA was enacted

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and we've seen the success from that.

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Speaker 1: So let's double click into some of the initiatives. There's

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digital identity, there's AI agent said much more, what could

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, so digital identity is a very interesting one.

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groups and be on one of the boards that we're

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looking into the development of it and the PERMUTI Monetary

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in the world. There puts some proposals going forward to

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seeing what new acts and go forward. Currently, the one

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they're talking about right now is called DISPA is the

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Digital Identity Service Provider Act and that's trying to create

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a set standard in Bermuda globally on what does can

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look like for the different providers to have the security

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with the credentials when it comes to identity. So it's

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something that it hasn't been forward yet, but this is

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something that the BMA is looking into. DABA has the

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whole presence when it comes to dial so we do

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have dials that are present on the island and of

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course the BMA does keep the provision over it to

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see exactly what's going to work, what doesn't work. That

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way that we have clarity going forward and we can

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see you make sure there's no issues because again they're

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responsible regulator.

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Speaker 1: Right so this what you guys are doing could be

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a certain certainly be a model for other islands countries.

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You're advising the US in certain ways, tell us about

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how you're working with the agencies and politicians here.

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Speaker 2: Sure, so advising is a bit of a strong world,

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which is kind of more or less sharing what works

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for us. But you know, I mean always open to

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those conversations. Our premiere is very forward in this area.

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He has flown out here. I've supported him when he

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comes to DC to meet with different politicians, different persons

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in the different agencies. We've met with a person from

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SEC and you know, FINRA and US Treasury, and again

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it's more or less to share what does work because

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we want to make sure that you know, a good

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ecosystem in the US is an ecosystem for Bermuda, because

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any hiccups and any jurisdiction that you look at can

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impact the industry in a negative and as an island

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nation that depends on these kind of safeguards, we don't

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want to see anyone fail. I mean, US is our

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biggest trade partner. We trade a billion dollars a year

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in trade with them, and we can have a very

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long standing relationship with the US, so we're always here

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for them. We have worked with the different commission groups.

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We'd work one with out of Wyoming. They're doing the

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stable tognization out there. So it's we're here in the

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support capacity to share our experience, to share our works

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for us, and you know, will always open to those

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conversations and dialogues.

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Speaker 1: That's really great to hear. And the collaboration and alignment

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between different countries is so important to your point for

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the growth of the acid class the ecosystem. And I

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just read I think it was yesterday or the day before,

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US and the UK are trying to figure out alignment

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on tokenization rules and things like that. So that needs

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to happen globally for this thing to all grow.

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Speaker 2: And it has to. It can't be compartmentalized, and that's

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one thing that we're looking at, so we want to

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make sure. And the other thing, I will notice that

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every jurisdiction is different, So what will work for our

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jurisdiction is going to be not transferable one hundred percent

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to another. Of course, the frameworks will work, but there's

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always gonna be the little nuances, you know, because some

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jurisdictions have multiple re US has multiple regulators. You know,

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you've seen like you know, the UAE has two, RITA

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has one so it's gonna be those slight you know,

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difference nuance, no differences. But overall we can come together

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to create you know, a universal approach that's going to

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be best for the industry.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. Now, one of the great things you guys

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offer is a sandbox where businesses can come get licenses.

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Tell us about that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually, yes, so we do have a sandbox. So

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business that comes to Remuted they can get a license.

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type of company, the size of the company, and the

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product that they offer, what stage of development it's at.

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we encourage those that have the new innovative you know,

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test model that they want to kind of put into market,

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but they haven't worked the kinks out yet. They want

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a place to operate out of it's a great place

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for it, they'll come and get a te license. If

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it's more developed but not large in scale, they'll get

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a modified license. And of course if it's a massive

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company that already has service providers, already has clienteles, customers,

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and you know, does great revenue, they can get a

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full license. But of course, and those classes are Class

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A F, Class M, Class T for full A moderate

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in test And of course the BMA is the one

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that decides that. So once you go through the process,

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they'll make the declarational which class is going to be

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appropriate for your company.

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Speaker 1: Now, with this technology on the rise, it's still new

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to a lot of people, right people are trying to

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learn about it. How are you educating both the businesses

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and people and are you seeing let's say, the younger

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generation who are more tech savvy, you know, gravitating towards

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Speaker 2: You know, I love my mother, but she she can't

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work a phone right now, so she's not learning it.

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it is a lot of actually the middle generation too,

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who they see that this is the new wave that's

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coming through and they don't want to be left behind.

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quick to run with it because it's something to're growing

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up with. And the generation a little bit older than them,

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they see that this is the pathway forward. They want

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to make sure that they're not left behind. A loss

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in the weeds, and so Bermuda is doing very much

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different approaches. We have technical work shops and we have

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different organizations that are part of this, like the Near

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Foundation and a few other ones. Uh. I remember in

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uh just previously in May we had the digital finance

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for them. We actually saw you know, different workshops and

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different groups of organizations. There were like thirty vendors that

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were doing training there. We like over five hundred participants

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that were there and they even dropped you know, thousands

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of thousands dollars worth of tokens that that were that

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were shared among the attendees. And so this is just

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you know, some of the areas in which there is

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a way to make sure that we do see a

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continued educational push so that the island itself doesn't get

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Speaker 1: So education is so important for everyday use, for people

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to understand the technology to benefits and much more so,

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it's great to hear that you're educating folks in Bermuda,

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and I'm sure they're going to get a lot of benefit.

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Speaker 2: From that, absolutely, and we do try to push that

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and you know the tertiary education as well, and there's

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also courses and classes that we always encourage people to

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take in some and I mean there's external programs that

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you know, look to come to Bermuda as well to

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set up educational workshop and things of that nature. And

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so always open to those collaborations and those conversations too.

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Speaker 1: So with the direction that Bermuda is heading in in

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addition to the United States, UK, EU and other countries

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and jurisdictions that they're embracing this technology, they're putting currency

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on the blockchain, they're putting assets on the chain that

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you know, over time, this is how the world's going

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to function with everything digitized.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, and that's actually a great segue and

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it goes to just a segway that our premier has

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working progress. We have the people that are looking into

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you know, how that's going to because again, you know,

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it's it's it is a large ask. Brina is a

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small jurisdiction, so it's a little bit probably vast your

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cell point on that, but you know, we want to

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make sure that it's one hundred percent right, is done correctly,

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there is you know goodbuye in and that we see

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the transformation that's going to take shape and to that point,

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we are getting to the point where we are seeing

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digitization coming to full effect in many different regards globally.

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And of course we won't me to to be you know,

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one of the spirit has in that conversation, well, I.

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Speaker 1: Have to come down to Bermuda and check out what

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you guys got going on, because you're leading in any

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ways and I can imagine Bermuda might have robot humanoid

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robots ahead of other countries.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, well, you know, I mean that is something

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that's one thing that we We don't have a lot

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of his robotics to be very honest, but you know

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it's very as long as Bermuda jobs are protected. Yeah,

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you want to you want to give them up, but

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you know, again, we want to be an innovation hub

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and people want to come down to test products, to

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test robotics, to test AI, to test AI agents. You know,

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we're looking at every way in which that we can

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stay at the forefront and be the leader that we

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that that we've established. We've been a leader in the

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insurance and insurance industry, you know, in finance digital finance

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now and so we are very much appreciative that we're

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seen in that lens because it is a small jurisdiction

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and people can overlook it. But when you see what

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we're capable of, you understand that this is a an

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amazing hub to operate out of. And that's why we

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have the success that we have, and that's why a

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lot of people do gravitate towards our islands. I mean,

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we love to have you come down to decie for yourself.

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Like I said, we have the digital finance form that

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takes place usually in May, just took place last year

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and the year before. Hopefully we have it again next year,

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and of course always looking for any opportunity to have

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all the conferences and events on the island.

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Speaker 1: I love it, and you guys are very forward thinking,

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forward looking, and yeah, I will definitely have to make

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it a way down and test all these things out.

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But again, love what you guys are doing. And thank

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you so much, Anthony for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: Tony, thank you so much for having me on here today.

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I greatly appreciate it.

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