Speaker 1: It's the lab Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn Seo,
Speaker 1: JP Soro.
Speaker 2: Yes, the choice was taken away from us. That's what
Speaker 2: we decry, and we decry the fact that we were
Speaker 2: put into a position to adopt media consumption habits that
Speaker 2: put a whole lot of people out of work for
Speaker 2: no good reason and therefore necessarily diminish the quality and
Speaker 2: the risk taking that entertainment producers were willing to take.
Speaker 2: And again with the technology working in reverse influencing how
Speaker 2: the art is created. To some degree, it makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense, but there are trade offs that didn't
Speaker 2: have to be made. And this whole subscription thing is
Speaker 2: just fucking sas software's service, you know, Microsoft and shit realizing, Hey,
Speaker 2: instead of charging people for software one time, we can
Speaker 2: charge them every single month, and over the lifetime of
Speaker 2: their reallyationship with us, we'll get a few more months
Speaker 2: you know, of money out of them than we would
Speaker 2: if they had to just pay upfront. And then everyone
Speaker 2: was like, holy shit, this is a way to make
Speaker 2: more money off people. Let's hook it in. We do
Speaker 2: it with Patreon. It's the same thing. Patreon is very
Speaker 2: much like that. We keep that engine humming, we keep
Speaker 2: feeding the fucking flame, we keep throwing shit on the
Speaker 2: fire to be worth the money, and we are. But
Speaker 2: that's what creates this sort of like whole idea that
Speaker 2: we're not really making movies to sell the movie on
Speaker 2: its own merits. We're making movies to keep Netflix interesting
Speaker 2: for just one more month, and then it's something else,
Speaker 2: and then it's something else, and then it's something else,
Speaker 2: and everyone's Netflix as far as all the projects they
Speaker 2: approve and all of the kind of schlocky ways that
Speaker 2: their in house stuff is sort of, you know, pulling
Speaker 2: from all these random pop culture sources to try to
Speaker 2: make one fucking ninety minute movie relevant to as many
Speaker 2: people as possible, to the point we don't even know
Speaker 2: what you're watching. Sometimes it's just this assault on the Senate,
Speaker 2: just this assault of reference points. It's it's so postmodern
Speaker 2: it makes you sick. Frankly, it's like a fucking Andy
Speaker 2: Warhol painting of a of a Campbell soup can. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it's like, here is commercialism presented to you, as you know,
Speaker 2: art essentially as popular art, popular entertainment, and you're just
Speaker 2: you're just assaulted with all of these like sneaky little
Speaker 2: references to things that people are trying to sell or
Speaker 2: promote or you know, we'll bring this guy, will put
Speaker 2: him in the movie because he has this audience. She'll
Speaker 2: be in the movie because none of them can act
Speaker 2: or none of them are. None of them we're going
Speaker 2: to elevate the movie, you know, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I'm really disillusioned by it. And it's it's
Speaker 2: really only there because of the pricing model, the way
Speaker 2: we charge and invoids people decides how shit gets made. Yes,
Speaker 2: very bizarre to me, very cart before the horse, very
Speaker 2: tail wagging the dog. You know, Oh, for sure, the
Speaker 2: creators should be able, and maybe they are, and I'm
Speaker 2: just taking into it dictate how one is to purchase
Speaker 2: their work. You know, there have been some bands that
Speaker 2: have big enough swinging dicks that they just don't go
Speaker 2: on Spotify, they don't sell their tickets on Ticketmaster. They
Speaker 2: just don't. And they can still make enough money to
Speaker 2: be more than justly rewarded for their efforts. But one
Speaker 2: more turnover of generations and there will be no artists
Speaker 2: who come up with anything on their mind besides yeah,
Speaker 2: fitting the way Meta wants to display video right, And
Speaker 2: you're gonna tell me that's not a loss. M it's
Speaker 2: not a big l It's it's it's it's the biggest loss.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't deny it. I don't, I don't
Speaker 3: deny it. It is. It's bad.
Speaker 2: And as Paul says, and God help you back in
Speaker 2: the day, if you wanted to run a VCR for
Speaker 2: the video store, in terms of them getting extra nervous
Speaker 2: and extra terms and conditions on your ass, you better
Speaker 2: bring that fucking thing back and ship shape, pal, or
Speaker 2: you're going to be paying four hundred, five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Paul says, I'm pretty sure my dad had to put
Speaker 2: me up as collateral to rent a VCR back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: He also says, Paul Dan Spivey is a whole pound
Speaker 2: of food. Men love. I've heard that William writes that
Speaker 2: Hulk comes downstairs in the morning to find hercules and
Speaker 2: his kitchen and eating an omelet. Hulk brother knobs, Dude,
Speaker 2: what's going on here? Knobs? I don't know, Terry, he
Speaker 2: said he's ah h from Tampa and he lives here now.
Speaker 2: It checked out, so I made breakfast like I always do.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 2: William also picked up on something we said that pretty
Speaker 2: much nails it. Poignant or bizarre, whatever comes first. Yes,
Speaker 2: from your Wrestling Podcast of the Year winner, Thank you
Speaker 2: very much. It's how I ended up. He remembers as
Speaker 2: the owner of half Baked on VHS in two thousand
Speaker 2: from a Hollywood video after accident putting the tape, accidentally
Speaker 2: putting the tape in a different sleeve and putting it
Speaker 2: on my shelf for turning instead one of my personal
Speaker 2: raw dubs from nineteen ninety eight. Imagine returning to a
Speaker 2: video store your television recording of raw. Oh that's that
Speaker 2: would be I would I would I that would be
Speaker 2: the most embarrassing thing ever. They would send the police
Speaker 2: to your house to get that tape.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh of course they would.
Speaker 2: He writes. I hadn't gone back to the store in
Speaker 2: a couple of months. After returning the tape a couple
Speaker 2: of days late, I thought I was looking for ten
Speaker 2: looking at rather a five to ten dollars late fee
Speaker 2: which I was prepared to pay. I made my selection
Speaker 2: that night and went to the counter to check out.
Speaker 2: The guy working said, hey, you have a late fee balance.
Speaker 2: I replied yeah, I no, He responded, you want to
Speaker 2: pay that now? I said, yeah, sure. So we scanned
Speaker 2: my tape and said, so that comes to one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty five dollars and now, oh.
Speaker 3: No, no, no no.
Speaker 2: I did not pay and left without any tape, and
Speaker 2: I was denied the return of my raw tape. Wow.
Speaker 2: I got some satisfaction, however, as that location went out
Speaker 2: of business a few months later, and their books were
Speaker 2: so messed up that I never heard anything else about it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 2: if they were Nicolin Diamonda to that extent, yeah, he remembers,
Speaker 2: God help you. If you fail to return the tape
Speaker 2: to the rental store, places would charge you late fees
Speaker 2: up to two weeks, and at a higher price if
Speaker 2: it was a new release, and a rewinding fee. If
Speaker 2: we failed to do so, they would call you multiple
Speaker 2: times a day, their threats of ruination for your negligence. Now,
Speaker 2: I remember they would call you looking for their tape.
Speaker 2: I do remember that. Yes, that's how much those things
Speaker 2: cost them to carry. Think about that, that you could
Speaker 2: justify the cost of carrying an employee who would fucking
Speaker 2: watch your inventory and call people like a debt collector
Speaker 2: when they hadn't returned the thing yet. Now like you
Speaker 2: can't give a video away.
Speaker 3: No, people like run on the opposite correction right right, like.
Speaker 2: You're trying to put a bomb in their hand or
Speaker 2: something exactly. Then after a store value variable of two
Speaker 2: weeks to a month, said, fuck it, keep it, but
Speaker 2: we're charging your account one hundred and two hundred bucks
Speaker 2: to replace it, and we will turn you into a
Speaker 2: collection agency. Wow, it's like a big fucking thumbs up
Speaker 2: to me. We talked about on a recent episode. I
Speaker 2: believe it was the Colosseum collection. Just funny alternate endings,
Speaker 2: funny booking decisions. Oh yes, Savia Vega coming down instead
Speaker 2: of Sean Michaels at WrestleMania twelve for instance. Yes, and
Speaker 2: of course that sparked no shortage of creativity amongst the
Speaker 2: solar system, and the mailbag started. The mail bag started popping.
Speaker 2: Mark writes, mister food, this is funny booking WrestleMania nine. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: mister Fuji throws salt in the hitman's eyes. Yes, And
Speaker 2: Yakuzina takes advantage new champion. The story progresses as we
Speaker 2: know Brett has tended to outside the ring by another wrestler,
Speaker 2: and said wrestler is challenged to a title shot right here,
Speaker 2: right now. The following exchange plays out just like it
Speaker 2: actually did with hul Kogan, but instead we end up
Speaker 2: with a new WWE champion, Brian Knobbs. Imagine Brett Hart
Speaker 2: sending Brian Knobs into Avenge his loss with the salt
Speaker 2: in his eyes, like Knobs looks to the people and
Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, yeah, I guess I want you to
Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, He's like, come on. A closing scenes
Speaker 2: WrestleMania nine is him and his Nasty Boy's muscle shirt.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you know how how how uh
Speaker 3: Hogan does the you know, the with the fist and
Speaker 3: the like Knob's doing that instead.
Speaker 2: That's how it would sound. And he's hoisting up the
Speaker 2: winged Eagle belt and people like, okay, he's got his
Speaker 2: pants on with his boots and stirrups. It's like Kidnam
Speaker 2: the people.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: It just made it just made. I don't know why
Speaker 3: that triggered into my mind. The idea of of at
Speaker 3: wrestling a twelve and instead of Sean Michaels Hell, instead
Speaker 3: of Savio Vega. It's although Montoya.
Speaker 2: And the fans are expected to get excited, that's the key.
Speaker 2: Just imagine turning up.
Speaker 3: Instead he's doing all this Sewn Michael stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: like doing the stupid dances and whatever. But he's done
Speaker 3: with a stupid mask on his face.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Everything you just said is true.
Speaker 2: He's got the mask on, he's got the gimmick on,
Speaker 2: He's doing all of Sean's mannerisms. And and Finkel introduces
Speaker 2: him as the heartbreak kid, Shawn Michael, the heartbreak kid,
Speaker 2: as if no one's gonna notice.
Speaker 3: Where his fucking what do you wear? Green? Yellow and red?
Speaker 2: The yellow John drop on his face look as funny,
Speaker 2: as as funny as Savio coming down from the rafters.
Speaker 2: The resume of twelve was, I I have to Brian
Speaker 2: Knobs closing WrestleMania nine, is said A hallt Coke, and
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty.
Speaker 3: It's better, it's funny. I mean, that's that's a that's
Speaker 3: a that's a funny one. Just to like to to
Speaker 3: figure out who the guy is. That's gonna help. That's good.
Speaker 3: That's gonna say, go get do it. That you do it.
Speaker 2: That is so such a great point. Like without that
Speaker 2: Brett component, it's not as anywhere near as funny to
Speaker 2: just say Brian Knobs comes out and beats Yoka because
Speaker 2: it's it's imagined nbs like Brett Hart's like Pinny Yokozuna
Speaker 2: and I'm just doing the right left all the sweats
Speaker 2: flying off his mullet was he looks left to right.
Speaker 2: That's why we do this, man. Oh god, it's tough.
Speaker 3: Fucking Knobs.
Speaker 2: On our uh colisseum collection Randy Savage and Elizabeth Coverage.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure what Alex was honing in on
Speaker 2: as far as what point in the show he decided
Speaker 2: to make this declaration, but he wrote, having the co
Speaker 2: chairman so incredibly clearly illustrate not just what the magic
Speaker 2: of wrestling is, but how it is constructed, how it's
Speaker 2: dilapidated in the modern era, and even a peek into
Speaker 2: a more favorable and refreshing book style. Call me a fanboy,
Speaker 2: but I live for hearing the graps chopped up like
Speaker 2: that MM. And we thank you, Alex, because it's something
Speaker 2: we take pride in and do our best for us
Speaker 2: to try to say, hey, you know, as pathetic as
Speaker 2: we all feel, we don't have to. Wrestling can be good.
Speaker 2: Wrestling cannot constantly be a needy, thirsty enterprise. It can
Speaker 2: It can present itself in a confident way that's not
Speaker 2: constantly being calibrated to X. You know, yes, fuck, hey,
Speaker 2: g No, can't wait to penetrate you in real time.
Speaker 2: Pal As he sent Mediah the tickets our way and
Speaker 2: said he can't wait to be penetrated in real time.
Speaker 2: Something we can be doing. Something we can do about that.
Speaker 2: To the point about, you know, with WTF stuff. How
Speaker 2: about Jordan's suggestion Colonel Mustafa picture, Colonel Mustafa accept accept
Speaker 2: He's dressed like Colonel Rob Parker. I mean, the fact
Speaker 2: is he said, you know, he could have said iron chic, right,
Speaker 2: but he said, Colonel Mustafa, that's very important. Because now
Speaker 2: I'm swapping out important the Saddama Seine outfit instead of yes,
Speaker 2: yes with the Southern accent too. Oh that's the that's
Speaker 2: the email, Jordan writes, Well, thank you for it, mister Fritz,
Speaker 2: thank you for your pledge. We appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 2: Lewis Perez, longtime supporter are great to see you in
Speaker 2: the Eptre Danny Vaughan, thank you very much for the cake. Studdy.
Speaker 2: Always great to have you in our corner. Andrew writes,
Speaker 2: Gorilla is also definitely a guy who orders food for
Speaker 2: the table that's meant for himself.
Speaker 3: Yes, no question, it's for the table.
Speaker 2: No Slams in the city. Brendan Brennan's going to be there,
Speaker 2: he says, Hey, guys, I was actually at MetLife yesterday
Speaker 2: for soccer game when this dropped. I will not be
Speaker 2: going to Met Life for the Slams. However, I will
Speaker 2: be enjoying a weekend in New York City because of
Speaker 2: my favorite college podcast, That's How We Roll. Bro. Brendan
Speaker 2: loves the serendipity of Jaws dropping for the fourth It
Speaker 2: made some long holiday go by so easy. I love
Speaker 2: to hear. That's some of my favorite stuff is the
Speaker 2: holiday drives where we come into play.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so great. That's it. I love
Speaker 3: I love doing that. I love listen. There's nothing, there's
Speaker 3: nothing I I I love very much dropping something special.
Speaker 2: On a holiday. That just I love that. That always
Speaker 2: makes me happy. Yeah, it seems to me. Other podcasts
Speaker 2: kind of take the holidays off a little bit, which
Speaker 2: look in theory, I totally support and understand it, especially
Speaker 2: if you're trying to make it your full time gig.
Speaker 2: But man, that's when we just fucking put our foot
Speaker 2: on thes.
Speaker 3: But but the thing is, it's like, yes, you want
Speaker 3: to take that, you want to take the day off, sure,
Speaker 3: but then you got to fucking load up.
Speaker 2: To load up, you gotta be you got to load
Speaker 2: about people who are in a situation where they need
Speaker 2: you during that Because as magical as holidays can be,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about the holidays and ducking any holiday,
Speaker 2: as great as it can be to be around family
Speaker 2: and friends, there's going to be downtime. There's going to
Speaker 2: be travel time. There's going to be drudgery. There's going
Speaker 2: to be those moments that we are custom made for
Speaker 2: where you're trying to bridge a gap in your day
Speaker 2: because you know you're gonna be like a hamster on
Speaker 2: a wheel for the next little while, be it sitting
Speaker 2: in an airport, riding on an airplane, traveling in a car,
Speaker 2: waiting for people to show up, waiting for people to
Speaker 2: wake up, waiting for people, you know, after for something
Speaker 2: to do. When people go to bed. That's when the
Speaker 2: podcast comes. That's what podcasts count. That's why I can't
Speaker 2: stand this video stuff because it's like, you can't you
Speaker 2: can't do that like and also function like the audio only.
Speaker 2: Podcasts allow you to move through the world and enjoy
Speaker 2: the thing, to do something with yourself instead of just
Speaker 2: sit there and try to replicate the couch potato TV experience,
Speaker 2: which is a wonderful thing in and of itself, but
Speaker 2: it's not My podcast became a thing. Podcasts became a
Speaker 2: thing because they weren't television shows, because they traveled in
Speaker 2: a form and factor that wasn't like that, but at
Speaker 2: the same time preserving what's magic about spoken word audio? Yes,
Speaker 2: what has always been magic about spoken word audio since
Speaker 2: the invention of James Says, Montreal, November ninet ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Survivor Series backstage, Brett gets suspicious and knows something isn't
Speaker 2: right and he bails. Vince needs a replacement for the
Speaker 2: main event entern Tom Brandy waving the Canadian flag flanked
Speaker 2: by the Heart Foundation, same screw jump finish.
Speaker 3: This works for me.
Speaker 2: Tom Brandy spits in Vince's face and writes w CW
Speaker 2: in the air then smashes the announcer stead Brandy then
Speaker 2: goes backstage and continues recording the Wrestling with Shadows documentary.
Speaker 2: He takes Vince, he sits across from Sean and asks
Speaker 2: if he had anything to do with it. He uppercuts Vince.
Speaker 1: On Raw.
Speaker 2: He goes back to feuding with Mark Merrow on TV
Speaker 2: and appears in the ninety eight Rumble before leaving in
Speaker 2: Marsh is.
Speaker 3: Just fut.
Speaker 2: Oh the real homie? Will Winthrop writes, now is that
Speaker 2: disgraced ww Trian bilde Mott or is that US darts
Speaker 2: player Stowey Bunts? I never heard of until he said that?
Speaker 2: Can you take it? Look at Stowe buns for the people?
Speaker 2: S t O w i E b u n t z.
Speaker 2: I think the time is now?
Speaker 3: Wait st o what is it?
Speaker 2: S t O w I E. And then it's b
Speaker 2: u n t z buns cake.
Speaker 3: I mean the love child of Jim Knightheart and Jack Black.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of love children out there, man, I
Speaker 2: have noticed you really are.
Speaker 3: Oh my professional darts player.
Speaker 2: Zax's I can confirm the boss did trick my wife
Speaker 2: on April Foold's Day with his Hogan message. Oh I
Speaker 2: love that I called her cell. She was on a
Speaker 2: work trip at a time she wouldn't be able to
Speaker 2: answer and it would go to voicemail. I blocked my
Speaker 2: number so it wouldn't show us from me, and left
Speaker 2: the Hogan message on her voicemail. We had been it
Speaker 2: was beach shop about a month ago. So the idea
Speaker 2: she left a card there as possible tell the people.
Speaker 2: This was basically him asking before Hogan passed obviously, yes,
Speaker 2: that you call that you create a cameo essentially where
Speaker 2: you're calling from Hogan's beat shop as Hulk Hogan saying
Speaker 2: she left the credit.
Speaker 3: Card there, Yes, and and just kind of going, you know,
Speaker 3: just just going with it, and it went in all
Speaker 3: so many different directions and to the point of, you know,
Speaker 3: obviously the paranoia kicked in, but it was a gradual
Speaker 3: thing where Hogan was like calling with you know, like
Speaker 3: concern originally, and then as he got further into it,
Speaker 3: he's getting a little more freaked out, and he's getting
Speaker 3: a little more angry, and he's wondering, why did you
Speaker 3: leave this thing in my in my in my beat shop, right,
Speaker 3: And it was just tremendous. It's nervously one of the
Speaker 3: fucking Yeah, exactly. This is one of the funniest fucking things.
Speaker 2: Can't pull that off convincingly anymore, can you?
Speaker 3: Well, you never know, and not everyone knows he's dead.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I guess there's an outside chance of that.
Speaker 2: This is the first mailbag since we unleashed the second
Speaker 2: season of Dark Side of the Ring Unheard on Folks
Speaker 2: Available Anything, Get podcast and on YouTube, this time on
Speaker 2: video after I talked all that shit about video for
Speaker 2: your viewing pleasure as well as audio pleasure and Matt
Speaker 2: Rode in how fun is it for me to see
Speaker 2: glow in the dark Abdullah? That has to say, Abdullah
Speaker 2: is on a TV screen behind us with you on
Speaker 2: Vice's YouTube channel. If anything good comes out of releasing
Speaker 2: video episodes, know that I'm feeling like a proud father
Speaker 2: over here, like I reared him myself for twenty five
Speaker 2: years and now he's finally made it in showbiz. Unheard
Speaker 2: is special for the people who hunger for that kind
Speaker 2: of insight and character detail. It's so fucking rich, you
Speaker 2: know it, Abby isolating Evan Hussey to shake him down
Speaker 2: after a night at the Red Lobster Chef's Kiss. That's
Speaker 2: my boy, I don't understand how y'all do it, and
Speaker 2: happy to keep it that way. But if there's ever
Speaker 2: a Q and A and time to talk about sausages
Speaker 2: and how they're made, Matt says he's going to ask
Speaker 2: about the TLF schedule. Well, from the time we wake
Speaker 2: up to the time we have to crash, it's called
Speaker 2: you how do we do it? It's called sleep deprivation.
Speaker 2: I hope people appreciate that about about us. You know,
Speaker 2: we fucking deprive ourselves of sleep. That's what we do.
Speaker 3: Yes, because you know that that is that That is
Speaker 3: the truth. I'm not trying to people want to know
Speaker 3: that's the ends, but it is. It's it's the absolute truth. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, because no matter what time we finish, we
Speaker 3: gotta get up at the same time.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: It's always that's always a thing.
Speaker 2: Got to keep the hamster wheel moving. As Holkoken said,
Speaker 2: can't miss a beat, brother.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 2: Sorry to credit the alarm, it's a good point. Thanks
Speaker 2: and Caleb Bowden, thank you for so much for your
Speaker 2: increase in pledge the Homie Austin, Hey, JP, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to find out more. But a company called Capital City
Speaker 2: Championship Combat Wrestling in Canada did a show in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen called The Departed. JF was on the car just
Speaker 2: a thought.
Speaker 3: Listen, okay, but I need to have I need to
Speaker 3: have in need, I need to know that it was
Speaker 3: the name was inspired.
Speaker 2: Also following up on this past email, he writes minutes later, no,
Speaker 2: actually months later, this C four show took place on
Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's Day, which pretty clearly implies a connection to
Speaker 2: the film That Departed.
Speaker 3: Because it's all fucking Irish SOUTHI punks.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing if there's anyone that wrestled on this show
Speaker 2: that is also on cameo, let me know if that
Speaker 2: could help steal the case for The Departed qualifying this guy.
Speaker 3: Will want to listen. I listen, So do I you
Speaker 3: want it? So do I? Of course I want love
Speaker 3: to dig into the Departed, love the opportunity to dig
Speaker 3: in the into the Departed. But you know I need
Speaker 3: to have I need to have a solid, a solid connection.
Speaker 2: So explain it. What does it needs? What does it
Speaker 2: need to be?
Speaker 3: Honestly, for this if the show, if that's show was
Speaker 3: they said, yeah, you know what, we we took it
Speaker 3: from the Departed I'd take it, really, I would take
Speaker 3: it because, you know, it was a if you're gonna
Speaker 3: argue about the GoldenEye situation, because the guy didn't say, yeah,
Speaker 3: my name was inspired by GoldenEye. He said it was
Speaker 3: like the response was, yeah, that was part of it. No, No,
Speaker 3: I just can't buy that, right if, and then he
Speaker 3: went into what it really meant? You know, so yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe it was part of it, but I need a
Speaker 3: more direct like, yeah, I respect that, this is it right.
Speaker 3: You can't make it.
Speaker 2: You can't feel like the guy said yes just to
Speaker 2: like be nice to the interviewer.
Speaker 3: If the right if the promoter says, yes, the depart
Speaker 3: is my fucking favorite movie and I named the show
Speaker 3: because of that movie. Done. Wow, easy, that's an easy one.
Speaker 3: It's like it's right there, you know, because there is
Speaker 3: a direct inspiration in some fashis. There's no wrestlers in there, no,
Speaker 3: not that I can see anyway, but listen, there very
Speaker 3: well could be. You know, we find people in the
Speaker 3: weirdest fucking places, in the weirdest places, and unfortunately not
Speaker 3: everybody has a trivia section. That's a lot of the time.
Speaker 3: If you look on IMDb, a lot of times you'll
Speaker 3: find these trivia sections with stunt performers and whatever where
Speaker 3: they say also used to be a professional wrestler, and
Speaker 3: then that starts. You know, that's the rabbit hole. You know,
Speaker 3: the door to the rabbit hole is right there, right,
Speaker 3: so it all, you know, it just it depends God,
Speaker 3: but it can, you know, it can happen. It's not.
Speaker 3: That's that's how we found Glenn Caine. Like you know,
Speaker 3: I forget who found that originally, but you know that
Speaker 3: was that was it you find they found on IMDb.
Speaker 3: It's it's said he's a former professional wrestling referee. You
Speaker 3: know you find that that that right there gets me,
Speaker 3: you know, looking down and seeing where can we where
Speaker 3: can we go qualifying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Steve says. Also my grandmother and Mama Sorrow
Speaker 2: or kindred spirits. My grandmother always told me and my
Speaker 2: mother before me to never eat or drink anything from
Speaker 2: a petrol station as they as they quote cake that
Speaker 2: stuff and oil you can taste it. Ye, that's right,
Speaker 2: that's right. I don't I don't think that's the case,
Speaker 2: but whatever, No, it's definitely not the case. That would
Speaker 2: be shut down a long time ago.
Speaker 3: That right, exactly that's what. That's what I'm always like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I just don't think that that's possible.
Speaker 2: Steve also taken by the Jaws episode because he says
Speaker 2: an Irish language teacher was meant to teach us creative
Speaker 2: writing when we had transition years, which is meant to
Speaker 2: be a year between exam cycles, but instead the teacher
Speaker 2: spent six weeks playing Jaws on loop.
Speaker 3: I got no problem. That's fine, I got no problem
Speaker 3: that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 3: That's a win.
Speaker 2: Just wonderful, just wonderful to be able to recall that
Speaker 2: memory from members of the Solar System. Sean Hemmings, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for the increase in pledge, my friend.
Speaker 2: We appreciate the vote of confidence. Bryce writes, I can't tonight, sweetheart.
Speaker 2: The boys have sent missives. Must be a fucking feedback show, baby,
Speaker 2: Scott Michael, I cannot accurately describe the speed with which
Speaker 2: I just isolated from everyone in this house as soon
Speaker 2: as I saw this week's under the cinemat. Jaws is
Speaker 2: an all time top five for me. I was absolutely
Speaker 2: obsessed with this film when I was a child. I
Speaker 2: own collectibles. I've gone to cons just to see props
Speaker 2: from the film, and one year I even hit the
Speaker 2: Universal Studios ride ten times in one weekend. Wow, because
Speaker 2: a storm kept a lot of people out of the
Speaker 2: park and I could not get enough of that shit. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we're gonna need a bigger ass. I see you, Chris.
Speaker 2: Not only do I see you on your way to
Speaker 2: the show on August third, but I also see that
Speaker 2: you already have a play to stop off at a
Speaker 2: particular HOGI shop in Delaware. Here we go for the
Speaker 2: Asella stop Rover on the way up. So folks are
Speaker 2: not only making tracks to join us August third at
Speaker 2: the Comedy Village, but they already have their train rides
Speaker 2: sandwich lined up. That's it. I mean, that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: It's very simple. Paul Cogan had an interesting point on Jaws.
Speaker 2: He said, he's pretty sure and apologies if you talked
Speaker 2: about this and I just don't remember it. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure that in the original script, Hooper was supposed to
Speaker 2: die in the cage scene, but when they looked at
Speaker 2: the footage of the real shark destroying the cage, there
Speaker 2: was nobody in it, so it wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Kinds I I believe that there is some truth in that.
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Spielberg thought the footage was so good he wanted it
Speaker 2: in the movie and just shot an extra scene of
Speaker 2: Hooper's scooping instead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember. There there is
Speaker 3: some there's some truth in that. I believe, I just
Speaker 3: don't remember the whole story.
Speaker 2: He also writes the Jaws poster, but Hogan is the
Speaker 2: swimming girl, Intenta is the shark. Oh, there we go,
Speaker 2: and that's probably a good shirt. No, we should consider
Speaker 2: making yep. Can you imagine? He also asks how horrified
Speaker 2: Terry would be if he heard someone say the shark
Speaker 2: is not working. Ooh because MSG one nine six eight
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Thank you very much for your pledge, and
Speaker 2: welcome in to the executive producer, to your Carlos Dallion.
Speaker 2: Austin looks down at his phone. The notification shines up
Speaker 2: at his face. He looks up. Did you see that?
Speaker 2: Cue the dolly zoom. Everybody get out of the water.
Speaker 2: I can see Steve fitting in.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine? That'd be absolutely amazing?
Speaker 2: Talking about why you can't see great white sharks in captivity.
Speaker 2: Josh has some insight, some species of shark, he writes,
Speaker 2: could be successfully kept in human care, but not Great whites.
Speaker 2: They are made to roam the open ocean, and they
Speaker 2: have colossal ranges thousands of square miles in some cases,
Speaker 2: in which they live and hunt. Several attempts have been
Speaker 2: made to capture and hold Great whites, but they always
Speaker 2: end up slamming into tank walls and refusing to eat
Speaker 2: until they either die or get released back into the ocean.
Speaker 2: There's always something that is fucking commitment to the craft
Speaker 2: right there. This is one of the more electrifying ones
Speaker 2: we've gotten on Patreon in a while. This is a
Speaker 2: as part of our recent Night of Champions live call
Speaker 2: from Saudi Arabia the Homiest Salmon, and he writes, as
Speaker 2: a member of the Solar System working the Middle East territory,
Speaker 2: He's on the ground out there, boss flying the lapsed
Speaker 2: flag in this sound. I had a chance to go
Speaker 2: to this as the land of Saud is right next
Speaker 2: door to where I'm based. These Saudi tickets are way
Speaker 2: cheaper than what TKO was priced for the US and
Speaker 2: Europe shows, twenty two d dollars for he writes for
Speaker 2: a general seat. So whenever we watch these Saudi shows
Speaker 2: and think of the tens of millions they're getting paid,
Speaker 2: and that is happening. It's that building is not full
Speaker 2: because people are paying TKO premium prices. That is very
Speaker 2: satisfying to know. Had mixed feelings, he writes on Punk
Speaker 2: even coming here. Happy to see him come to this
Speaker 2: side of the world. But obviously the controversy of these
Speaker 2: events is understandable, and he's under a specific microscope. You
Speaker 2: couldn't script an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm with more
Speaker 2: things that could have gone wrong for him in terms
Speaker 2: of online reaction to what happened to him this weekend,
Speaker 2: from the kid getting snubbed to checking in with front
Speaker 2: Bro Mohammed, which was replayed in the building on SmackDown.
Speaker 2: So maybe it was planted to the promo to the
Speaker 2: finish of the match. I like the match for most
Speaker 2: of it, and Saudi fans do give a great atmosphere
Speaker 2: at these but I think Punk is gonna wish this
Speaker 2: was the Saudi verse and get back to business of
Speaker 2: still feuding with Seth for another nine months, and he
Speaker 2: said this, I can't believe you wrote this, considering where
Speaker 2: we stand today. He followed that up with a quote,
Speaker 2: Hulk finally passing is going to be weird outlasted his peers,
Speaker 2: but reputation is worse than ever. They are younger fans
Speaker 2: who are going to celebrate it, and older ones are
Speaker 2: going to feel mixed, but ultimately sad for reasons beyond
Speaker 2: just as death. If that Netflix debut was the last
Speaker 2: time we see him in WW, what a sad way
Speaker 2: to go out. But what were we told about? Pain?
Speaker 2: Can't even imagine how a lapsed tribute would go with
Speaker 2: things already covered. But it'll be deserved. That is an
Speaker 2: oracle operation right there.
Speaker 3: You're damn right well, just you wait.
Speaker 2: Mardies, do you wait? Martif? Thank you for the increased pledge,
Speaker 2: Miley Ripley, thank you very much for the cake. Welcome
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Speaker 2: Antonio writes to your co chairs. My name's Tony from LA.
Speaker 2: Been listening to you guys since King of the Ring
Speaker 2: ninety four and I've never looked back. Recently, I was
Speaker 2: in a car accident in April that messed me up badly,
Speaker 2: broken hip, nerve damage and muscle damage. It's been a
Speaker 2: pretty rough couple of months. Depression, emotional damage and physical damage.
Speaker 2: What's been getting me through these months? To keep fighting?
Speaker 2: Take a guest, boss. Some podcasts stuck up your ass
Speaker 2: by being about the pain. We help people through the pain.
Speaker 2: Can we say this? Can we say this?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, we are your therapy. We are not your therapist. However, Yes,
Speaker 2: I listened to at least two to three episodes a day,
Speaker 2: Antonio says, with all the time I have since the accident,
Speaker 2: it feels like it's not enough episodes. Thank you for
Speaker 2: pounding my ass through these tough moments, and if you
Speaker 2: can bless me, if you guys can do backlash O
Speaker 2: three would mean a lot, especially during this difficult moment.
Speaker 2: He's looking to get a show in thank you and
Speaker 2: like the APA shirt says, keep me doing ass. I
Speaker 2: don't think Hogan's on that show. I looked, No, no,
Speaker 2: that that's the that's the one you you went to
Speaker 2: that one. It's Worcester and wester Yeah, with the Goldberg
Speaker 2: and Rock, you're gonna you're gonna be fully healed, Antonio
Speaker 2: by the time that one comes out. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: you'll enjoy it when it does, and we'll be thinking
Speaker 2: of you when it happens. But that's the kind of
Speaker 2: thing I mean. Okay, any of us could get hit
Speaker 2: by a bus, any of us could get waylaid by
Speaker 2: an illness, any of us could break a leg or
Speaker 2: break an arm, or be laid up for months at
Speaker 2: a time. And what's you're gonna tell me it's not
Speaker 2: better to have in your rotation and routine such a
Speaker 2: low ask form of entertainment like the laps fan Wrestling
Speaker 2: podcast to lean on. Yeah, you're gonna tell me that
Speaker 2: it doesn't go by so much faster for someone in
Speaker 2: Antonio's position, where you doesn't have to sit there and
Speaker 2: be alone with this thoughts of how limited he is
Speaker 2: physically in mentally is the result of what happened to him. Cay,
Speaker 2: tell me that's not real. Okay, fucked, Hey, yeah, give
Speaker 2: me a break. Of course it's real. Perhaps the only
Speaker 2: thing that is real or great midget, My great grandfather
Speaker 2: was a local jobber for the Buffalo Bill Show in
Speaker 2: the early twentieth century in Iowas. Tell the people why
Speaker 2: that's relevant, Well, that's.
Speaker 3: That's the Buffalo bill that we talked about, the Buffalo
Speaker 3: Bill Show during once upon time in the West under
Speaker 3: the cinemat So that's pretty that's what.
Speaker 2: Were those shows.
Speaker 3: Those shows were. They were live shows. They were they
Speaker 3: were basically the the original Western because they were shows
Speaker 3: that and and again we talked about how fascinating it
Speaker 3: was that these were these were wild West shows being shown,
Speaker 3: being being done live, while there was the wild West
Speaker 3: was still in existence, right, or was if it wasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily still in existence, it was going away, or it
Speaker 3: was very close, you know, you know there was. It
Speaker 3: was just pretty it was very recent.
Speaker 2: It was you could convince people they were creating a
Speaker 2: real live cowboy, right, someone who had loved it, someone
Speaker 2: who had done it. And so it was like basically
Speaker 2: it was it was some k fabe shit amazing talking
Speaker 2: some wrestling stuff. Yeah, Buffalo Bill comes to town. Come
Speaker 2: watch him in his fucking you know frontiersmen ways. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So work rate Midget says, my great grandfather was a
Speaker 2: local jobber for the Buffalo Bill Show in the early
Speaker 2: twentieth century in Iowa, Wisconsin. As it was explained to me,
Speaker 2: when they came to town, they needed extra horses and cowboys.
Speaker 2: Cowboys in the sense of being able to ride saddle
Speaker 2: and bareback. So depending on the need of the performance
Speaker 2: e g. Headcount you were either a soldier or a
Speaker 2: native sometimes both in the same day. That's get the
Speaker 2: jobbers booked. Yep, Craig writes on one of our episodes, Yes,
Speaker 2: this is a most explosive TNT show, which, as we
Speaker 2: discovered as part of the Colosseum collection, is really one
Speaker 2: of those great windows in a Vince McMahon's psyche in
Speaker 2: terms of word choice and subject matter choice and all
Speaker 2: the things that TNT tells us about how Vince's mind works.
Speaker 2: Craig says, Vince says the phrase at fifty one to
Speaker 2: fifty six hopsack race instead of just you know, a
Speaker 2: sack race, and I'm not even sure how to feel
Speaker 2: about it. He goes full Vince and has to rename
Speaker 2: it to something no one's ever said.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like he was trying to say, like
Speaker 3: a mix of Hopscotch and a sack race.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, it's true he's so obsessed with adding words.
Speaker 2: Why say something in three words that you could say
Speaker 2: in twenty one words. That's Vince McMahon's strategy, that's Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon's philosophy. And so we sit here with and then
Speaker 2: from there and nonetheless that, notwithstanding all the shit unbelievable, Kevin,
Speaker 2: Kevin Grimwood, thank you very much for your pledge on Patreon.
Speaker 2: Christopher fucking delineated it as part of that aforementioned WWF
Speaker 2: explosive TNT show coverage. How about these aforementioned it's Love's
Speaker 2: that word obligation therefore clearly states the lady in question.
Speaker 2: Oh and he writes with what a maneuver is my
Speaker 2: free square? I have Vince Bingo for that mating game sketch.
Speaker 2: I do like the idea of Vince Bingo. I really
Speaker 2: really do.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I like the idea. It's great to
Speaker 2: hear from from Fred. Remember up how the Purple Parrot?
Speaker 2: Of course, it's how can I forget? I mean now?
Speaker 2: And then you know a Solar System member that you're like,
Speaker 2: I wonder how he's doing. You know, we used to
Speaker 2: hear from him a lot. We don't hear from him
Speaker 2: as much, and that's fine, but you know, you do
Speaker 2: wonder did they stop listening to the show, did they
Speaker 2: stop caring about wrestling? Did they fall in love? Did
Speaker 2: they find another twist in this long road of life
Speaker 2: that takes them off the lapsed path. But it was
Speaker 2: great to hear from him, and and I know, since
Speaker 2: you've shared the ring with him, it might be appropriate
Speaker 2: for you to share what he wants to share.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, in the words of two thousand's butt Rock Band
Speaker 3: and w favorite Stained, it's been a while, it's been
Speaker 3: a huh oh yeah, yeah, all right, all right before
Speaker 3: Fred shares thought well, I appreciate him thinking and talking
Speaker 3: in third person. Before Fred SHARE's thoughts, one friendly reminder
Speaker 3: that a little birdie is lurking. The purple is always
Speaker 3: watching from up in the trees. Anytime you're ready to
Speaker 3: do it again. Yeah, I get that win back, brother.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: As I type this, I'm riding in an RV up
Speaker 3: the West Coast with the woman you met when she
Speaker 3: was my girlfriend. She has now been my.
Speaker 2: Wife for two days.
Speaker 3: He now, congratulations, But I don't think I knew that
Speaker 3: see him on social media, But congratulations man. We walked
Speaker 3: out of our wedding to the tunes of Edge is
Speaker 3: Gay he sees queerly. I mean really, yes, it was
Speaker 3: the actual song, but even at my wedding, I can
Speaker 3: never unhear those words.
Speaker 2: Yes understood, Thank you, Omar for that one. That's yeah,
Speaker 2: that's from Omar. That's right here, it's Omar. Omar would
Speaker 2: do that all the time. Long time listeners might remember,
Speaker 2: by the way, they might remember the purple parrot from
Speaker 2: the episode we did about what it's like to be
Speaker 2: on Wheel of Fortune. The whole interview for him, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we did because he did a it was a Hopper show.
Speaker 2: It's a Hopper show. Well I think it was I'm
Speaker 2: show was something, or it was the mail bag interview.
Speaker 2: We just we tucked it in somewhere because we heard
Speaker 2: that he had done Will a Fortune. It was his
Speaker 2: lifelong obsession, and he noticed all the little details that
Speaker 2: anybody used to watch that show would want to know.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's tremendous. He's like and then's like he's like part
Speaker 3: of a like there's like a because he was brought back.
Speaker 3: Two he was brought back for I forget what it was.
Speaker 3: It was like kind of like a like a favorite
Speaker 3: you know, favorite guests or something, because you know him
Speaker 3: him getting choked out by Pat Sajack was was like
Speaker 3: a meme for a while, right, that's right, that's yeeah.
Speaker 2: Celebrities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they brought I think they brought back
Speaker 3: a bunch people who's like kind of part of this
Speaker 3: like fascinating little club of of famous or memorable Wheel
Speaker 3: of Fortune contestants.
Speaker 2: So it's pretty cool. I enjoy seeing his posts about
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: We're currently driving through the mountains while at her request,
Speaker 3: listening to your series on the Benoa tragedy. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: really bless her heart. Morbid and disturbing stories are being
Speaker 3: shared of drugs and cover up, some corruption and a
Speaker 3: madman who took innocent lives with him as he was
Speaker 3: eaten alive by the business, all the while being adored
Speaker 3: by us for it. Shame and pain. You know what,
Speaker 3: we have never been more at peace. Seven years in
Speaker 3: the Solar system, five years as a couple in TLF
Speaker 3: is still the soundtrack to our lives. Anyone asks me
Speaker 3: for a podcast recommendation for a specific occasion of circumstance,
Speaker 3: I cut them off before they even qualify what occasion
Speaker 3: they're asking about. The answer is that fucking cast one
Speaker 3: hundred percent of the time. Just like I made a
Speaker 3: vow to my new bride to love and cherish and
Speaker 3: supporter for all eternity. I vowed to my co chairs
Speaker 3: to keep my ass open, yes and ready, Yes for
Speaker 3: the casts, periodical poundings, forever and ever.
Speaker 2: Amen, much love and thank you for seeing a man.
Speaker 2: That's the kind update we're looking for. Salute from the road, pal,
Speaker 2: We'll see a out in the way. I was just
Speaker 2: thinking about the Renaissance Rumble Show the other day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh, man.
Speaker 3: No, you know, i'd be lying if I said I
Speaker 3: didn't every now and again go back and just take
Speaker 3: a look at it. I think it's it was fun.
Speaker 3: It was so much fun. It's I had such a
Speaker 3: good time with that one. Absolutely, I'd get you know,
Speaker 3: I suppose there could be one more. There could be
Speaker 3: one more left. I don't know if yeah, right, one
Speaker 3: and more Mad for Boss Adkinson.
Speaker 2: Makes all the sense in the world. Now, what a
Speaker 2: finish to that little mini documentary where everyone's like, you
Speaker 2: should actually do this? Man. Oh, I know there was
Speaker 2: a moment, there was like there's a moment. There was
Speaker 2: a moment I was there was a consideration. But no,
Speaker 2: I would say we've learned too much. We know too
Speaker 2: much about that world. Jeff writes. When TLF begin their
Speaker 2: Colisseum collection journey. I don't think I could foresee Don
Speaker 2: Morocco channeling Sesame Street's Bert while splurging pathetically onto his
Speaker 2: stomach after getting oiled down by mister Fuji. That being said,
Speaker 2: I'm not that surprised either. Well, the Calle collection takes
Speaker 2: this in strange places. Spell That's all I can say,
Speaker 2: Mike Palm, thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome
Speaker 2: in Carlo Stallion rights. The primary act of Carnival is
Speaker 2: the mock crowning and subsequent decrowning of a Carnival king.
Speaker 2: Did you know this? It is a according to an academic,
Speaker 2: I suppose dualistic, ambivalent ritual that typifies the inside out
Speaker 2: world of Carnival end quote, the joyful relativity of all
Speaker 2: structure and order. I do really like wrestling described as
Speaker 2: the joyful relativity of all structure and order. Yes, that
Speaker 2: sounds like postmodernism, right, sure does? This is from Botkin.
Speaker 2: I think a Russian philosopher. He knew a lot about Carnes, Okay,
Speaker 2: Carlo writes. Botkan identifies four principal categories of the Carnival
Speaker 2: sense of the world, familiar and free interaction between people.
Speaker 2: Carnival often brought the unlikeliest of people together those ordinarily
Speaker 2: separated by impenetrable socio hierarchical barriers. The suspension of dits
Speaker 2: between people encouraged free interaction and free individual expression. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't help think of how wrestling shows in the
Speaker 2: territorial days were always talked about in Memphis and Chicago
Speaker 2: and some other cities as some of the first integrated
Speaker 2: live sports events, where black fans and white fans would
Speaker 2: sit next to each other and sort of share in
Speaker 2: an entertainment experience in a way they really didn't share
Speaker 2: anything else in society at the time. Eccentricity. With the
Speaker 2: dissolution of hierarchical relationships, ordinarily unacceptable behavior becomes acceptable behavior.
Speaker 2: Gesture and discourse that are normally considered eccentric and inappropriate
Speaker 2: are encouraged, permitting the latent sides of human nature to
Speaker 2: reveal and express themselves. Carnivalistic messy alliances. The familiar and
Speaker 2: free format of carnival allows all dualistic separations of the
Speaker 2: hierarchical worldview to reunite in living relationship with one another.
Speaker 2: Heaven and hell, the sacred in the profane, the high
Speaker 2: and the low, the great and the small, the clever,
Speaker 2: and the stupid. But enough about.
Speaker 4: Sunday, August third, at noon, the lapsed fan takes on
Speaker 4: Times Square tickets at Comedy Village dot com. There goes
Speaker 4: the neighborhood, you fucking bitch, and finally pro dot com,
Speaker 4: there goes the.
Speaker 3: Neighbor shut up, you fucking.
Speaker 2: Bitch, and finally profanation. In the carnival, the strict rules
Speaker 2: of piety and respect for official notions of the sacred
Speaker 2: are stripped of their power. Blasphemy, obscenity, debasing, bringing down
Speaker 2: to earth celebration rather than condemnation of the earthly and
Speaker 2: body based that friends, Carlos Stelling.
Speaker 3: I heard is what we do? I heard that body
Speaker 3: based Big fan.
Speaker 2: Craig writes, you do the lapse pilgrimage to Ocean City, Maryland,
Speaker 2: like where they shot the Fuji vice as we discovered. Yes,
Speaker 2: and you have to go to Atlantic General in Salisbury,
Speaker 2: the hospital that Goldberg ends up after shattering the window.
Speaker 2: It's screwing up his arm. Go to Salisbury. Yes, that's
Speaker 2: Kevin Nash's line. Go to Saul's. Hey you, keV, I'm
Speaker 2: right on it, buddy, because everybody knows what you mean
Speaker 2: about this random city in Maryland. It's also where they
Speaker 2: took me, he says, when I was hit by a
Speaker 2: car in Ocean City when I was eighteen. Oh Jesus, Well,
Speaker 2: Craig offers to cover desserts and drinks. So if we're
Speaker 2: ever going to Ocean City, Maryland, we're work covered. Nowhere
Speaker 2: to go, Jimmy Airy, thank you very much for the
Speaker 2: increase in pledge, My friend, welcome in to our good graces.
Speaker 2: We'll winthrop a seahawk. Remember Fuji and Don Morocco and
Speaker 2: Fuji Wece are looking for the Seahawk drug dealer. Remember that, Yes,
Speaker 2: I do, He says, a seahawk heavily involved with coke
Speaker 2: in the eighties. I can't have been the only one
Speaker 2: expecting a Brian Bosworth cameo. Uh, Steve Jack was correct.
Speaker 2: It was a von Eric angle that Vince said, we're
Speaker 2: turn off sponsors. Yeah, we were reading reading something that
Speaker 2: he put in his magazine about how unlike other organizations
Speaker 2: that are doing things that are too hyper violent. It
Speaker 2: was one of those like you know how we're taking
Speaker 2: over the National Television Producer's Convention and we're advertiser friendly
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to remember what it was that Vince
Speaker 2: was kind of throwing shade at, and it was the
Speaker 2: Van Eric angle that Vince said would turn off sponsors
Speaker 2: when Chris Adams Kevin Van Eric had the chair shut
Speaker 2: thing and he busted Kevin like ear to ear, by
Speaker 2: which point David had died and carried one then to
Speaker 2: be a belt. So the courtship with Fritz and World
Speaker 2: Class was on hiatus between Vince and Fritz. Of course,
Speaker 2: Stephen also hopes that further expiration of TNT leads to
Speaker 2: the coach heers discovering the lost episode of TNT that
Speaker 2: never made it onto ww network. The only valid reason
Speaker 2: for which I could find was that it had doctor
Speaker 2: Jerry Graham on and Vince's visibly marking out to be
Speaker 2: on TV with one of his heroes. Yeah, and one
Speaker 2: of the more notorious human beings to ever be in
Speaker 2: the wrestling business as well. There's also a very campy,
Speaker 2: questionable swimsuit competition featuring Baltimore models that Vince McMahon MC's
Speaker 2: at the end of the thing. As far as I
Speaker 2: can tell, if you haven't noticed, I've seen it. He doesn't,
Speaker 2: you know, do anything inappropriate or untoward that's very obvious,
Speaker 2: but would love to know when they were poorting over
Speaker 2: the whole TNT archive to the network and or peacock
Speaker 2: that they decided to just leave that one off to
Speaker 2: the side. We noticed. Yep, we noticed Jordan's CAPECI. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much for your pledge, my friend, and thanks
Speaker 2: for being part of what we do on Patreon. Andrew
Speaker 2: just wants to drop a quick note. This is Drew
Speaker 2: just saying, among other things, Boss, thank you. If you
Speaker 2: could share it with the Solar system please. Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: just wanted to drop a quick note to say thank you.
Speaker 2: I've been a listener for a long time Patreon since
Speaker 2: eighteen and a freeloader before that. I never really understood
Speaker 2: would even dismiss how people could write in and say
Speaker 2: how much the cast saved them during hard time. I'd
Speaker 2: laughed to myself and think it's just a college podcast.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it's just some high
Speaker 2: quality con tent. Long story short, my week old son,
Speaker 2: who decided to make his entrance a month early, had
Speaker 2: some issues regulating his temperature. After a few days at home,
Speaker 2: we ended up in the er where he had an
Speaker 2: apnea episode and stopped breathing. Due to a rapid drop
Speaker 2: in temperature hypothermia. They had a rush into to the NICU.
Speaker 2: My wife and I were completely in the dark. No
Speaker 2: one could tell us that everything was going to be okay.
Speaker 2: Oh fuck.
Speaker 3: For a while, we truly thought we might lose him. Thankfully,
Speaker 3: we were eventually reassured that he would survive, though he'd
Speaker 3: need to be monitored closely so for the next week.
Speaker 3: The NICU became our home. That first night, with emotions
Speaker 3: running high and knowing he was sedated, I tried to
Speaker 3: get some rest. I put on the first episode of
Speaker 3: the Saboo Tributes and lost myself in the cast I've
Speaker 3: known and loved for years, And in that moment, I realized,
Speaker 3: you guys are more than just a college podcast, more
Speaker 3: than content I enjoy that gets pumped straight into my ass.
Speaker 3: I can't quite put it into words, but I finally
Speaker 3: understood how people turn to you during the hard times. Daddy,
Speaker 3: that time spending me and I see you taught me
Speaker 3: a lesson in humility, gave me a new perspective on life,
Speaker 3: and reminded me to never take anything for granted. My son,
Speaker 3: now a month and a half old, is doing well.
Speaker 3: His follow up visits have been positive and it seems
Speaker 3: like this was just a small bump in the road.
Speaker 3: Thank you for everything you do. Keep up the amazing work.
Speaker 3: I'll always be listening and always look forward to the
Speaker 3: next episode. Cheers, Drew. That's listen. I've said it before,
Speaker 3: I will say it every time. It's not something that
Speaker 3: I anticipated, it's not something that I sought out, But
Speaker 3: I'm grateful that this that it has happened that way. Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm grateful that we can be there. It's one of
Speaker 3: the great side effects of doing this show. Yes, and
Speaker 3: I am. I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful that we
Speaker 3: could help you in that. I can't even imagine how
Speaker 3: scary that was for you. And that's just Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been ten years worth of these letters by now.
Speaker 2: There's something going on. There's something real, there's something additive,
Speaker 2: there's something hopeful happening when we pick up the stick.
Speaker 2: Because wrestling fans they have a hard time finding hope.
Speaker 2: They do, yes, why they watch wrestling so religiously. They're
Speaker 2: trying to find something to cling on to that they
Speaker 2: can look forward to. And you know, like you said,
Speaker 2: never by design, but always by effect your co chairs
Speaker 2: there in that void. Brandon from Jersey, longtime homie and supporter.
Speaker 2: I want to thank you very much for your support
Speaker 2: in all these years, most recently via Patreon urgent Tavis,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining the Executive producer tier.
Speaker 2: Same to you, Simon. Really appreciate it. Mike writes, you
Speaker 2: have said China, Paul Orndorff, and Bill Mercer were near calls. Okay,
Speaker 2: that is to say people who when we heard about them,
Speaker 2: we thought about picking up the phone and making it
Speaker 2: a call, but they just didn't feel in the moment
Speaker 2: like they rose to the level. He says, if you
Speaker 2: could go back and do a tribute on any one
Speaker 2: of those three, which of the three would you choose,
Speaker 2: Boss China, Paul Orndorf or Bill Mercer.
Speaker 3: I'd probably say Mercer. Yeah, he had a fascinating life.
Speaker 3: He did, and I feel like he he was a
Speaker 3: I mean, Orndorf, I don't know like his if if
Speaker 3: he had I feel like if he had continued as
Speaker 3: well as he had throughout the eighties after Hogan, I
Speaker 3: feel like that would have been he might have he
Speaker 3: might have been more deserving. But it's like he he
Speaker 3: kind of seemed like a flash in the pan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then he was in WCW and you know, as
Speaker 3: much as I love pretty wonderful, I don't feel I
Speaker 3: don't know if he really accomplished as much.
Speaker 2: You know, But China, Mercer. The thing about China is
Speaker 2: you can weigh and they have, God knows they have
Speaker 2: overplay her impact in the business. But her story how
Speaker 2: the business chewed her up and spit her out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: how Triple H chewed her up and spit her out.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if that's fair. Of course
Speaker 2: it's not, but you know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: how it appears from the sidelines the Triple and to
Speaker 2: hear her tell it, Triple H chewed her up and
Speaker 2: spit her out, And how that all led to the
Speaker 2: Triple H becoming the fucking boss of the entire WWE, right,
Speaker 2: And how she just found herself kind of despite a
Speaker 2: very short tenure at the nexus of so many tectonic
Speaker 2: plate shifts at WWF and the Attitude era and all
Speaker 2: of that, and then within the McMahon family unit itself.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a fascinating thing. They've done some
Speaker 2: great documentaries about her, so it's it's kind of trod ground.
Speaker 2: It's not like we'd be doing like a stare at
Speaker 2: like a a trademark dive where we're going to uncover
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff or talk about stuff in waste
Speaker 2: people hadn't thought about before, because she's been analyzed in
Speaker 2: that fashion six ways from Sunday. She was in her
Speaker 2: last years being followed around constantly by documentary crew who
Speaker 2: eventually put a documentary out. But I don't know. There's
Speaker 2: a lot there in what happened, what China did, and
Speaker 2: what happened to her. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess if it doesn't warrant a call, it doesn't want
Speaker 2: a tribute. That's just a basic rule. Yeah, which of
Speaker 2: those three do you think you were closest to making
Speaker 2: the call for? If they're all even, you can say
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 3: It's funny. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think China. I don't probably China, because China dying
Speaker 2: was like not just oh my god, the piece of
Speaker 2: the childhood is gone, like the usual reason for the call.
Speaker 2: It was also she's not gonna recover, She's not gonna
Speaker 2: bounce back from the tailspin she went into after w
Speaker 2: W E was done with her.
Speaker 3: Right, right, She's just gonna be known for fucking nextpok
Speaker 3: on camera.
Speaker 2: I mean that would have to be part of the tribute, right,
Speaker 2: we'd have to watch that along.
Speaker 3: Do a deep dive.
Speaker 2: That'll be our only fans the CoA chairs watch.
Speaker 3: Porn fucking watch wrestler porn, watch sucking the sunny, the
Speaker 3: sunny porns watched the wrestling vixens.
Speaker 2: Find that old porn that what's her name? Chastity was
Speaker 2: in from e c W. M Oh my god, that's
Speaker 2: what or Major Guns was in one. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: there's a nitro girl. I think No, no, that was
Speaker 2: a UFC ring card girl. Oh my god, so funny.
Speaker 2: Under the cinemat Once upon a Time in the West.
Speaker 2: The comment from Craig Lasagna Westerns almost caused a two
Speaker 2: car pile up. Shout out to Justin Jones for the
Speaker 2: Patreon pledge we appreciated. Scott writes on JP's comment on
Speaker 2: the amount of clothes people wearing the desert. As a
Speaker 2: Vegas resident, the smart ones who work outside keep fully covered.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's hot, but you got to protect your skin
Speaker 2: at all costs out here.
Speaker 3: I get, Okay, I'm trying to remember what we were.
Speaker 3: I guess it must have been once more time in
Speaker 3: the West or whenever you see. It's not it's not
Speaker 3: about that. I get that. I totally get that you
Speaker 3: need to. It's it's the amount of clothing. And it's
Speaker 3: the heavy clothing that you see them wear. That's the
Speaker 3: part I don't understand, right, Why the heavy, dark clothing
Speaker 3: that just makes me want to die. The thought of.
Speaker 2: It, I know it puts me in a compromise position,
Speaker 2: just thinking about yeah, yeah, he says, it's a minimum wet,
Speaker 2: light white and white long sleeve and usually athletic tights.
Speaker 3: That that, yes, you see, that's fine. It's the it's
Speaker 3: the stuff that you see when they're wearing bulky clothing.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why can you why think about robes?
Speaker 2: Think about being one of those soldiers carrying one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty pounds of gear on your back, fully covered boots.
Speaker 2: It is one hundred and thirty degrees in Iraq, No, no,
Speaker 2: and your life is on the line, and you're dehydrated
Speaker 2: and you're miserable, and you're miserable and you're gonna die.
Speaker 2: What what do you want? It's what you don't want anything.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just making a point. Actually, I don't want something.
Speaker 4: Sunday, August third, at noon, Fan takes on Times Square
Speaker 4: tickets at Comedy Village dot com.
Speaker 2: There goes the neighborhood. You fucking big, that's really where
Speaker 2: we belong. Scott also wants you to know. And I
Speaker 2: thought you'd love this, I always say, he writes, UTC
Speaker 2: drops on Friday are so perfect. Listen to the episode
Speaker 2: during the daytime, doing chores, do the watch along at
Speaker 2: night as the reward, and being able to look forward
Speaker 2: to the rest of the weekend and always fall asleep
Speaker 2: after forty five minutes. Yes, it's lovely. A secret to
Speaker 2: life man. In a lot of ways, it really is.
Speaker 3: Big fan, Big fan.
Speaker 2: Brian Blake, one of the real Cinophiles in the Solar
Speaker 2: system and a long time supporter and a really solid
Speaker 2: Sun bitch, writes to us regarding Fonda winning and acting
Speaker 2: Oscar after getting an honorary one. We wondered if that
Speaker 2: ever happened before wait wits again. Henry Fonda winning and
Speaker 2: acting at Oscar after getting an honorary one.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, yes, yes yes.
Speaker 2: In terms of useless Oscar trivia, he writes, Paul Newman
Speaker 2: and learns Olivier both won a competitive acting oscar after
Speaker 2: winning an honorary one a year or two prior. I believe, wow,
Speaker 2: he says. He believes. Also composer Ennio Morricone won his
Speaker 2: Hateful eight oscar after getting an honorary one. Is yes,
Speaker 2: that is true. That is true, And he says. Harold
Speaker 2: Russell is the rare trivia answer for winning both a
Speaker 2: competitive oscar and an honorary one for his supporting performance
Speaker 2: in Best Years of Our Lives. He was an amateur
Speaker 2: actor and a disabled handless World War Two vett who
Speaker 2: was assumed to have little chance of winning. Harold is
Speaker 2: also why the Academy institutor rules selling off oscar as well.
Speaker 2: That's a fascinating thing. He he gives you. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's didn't didn't Billy.
Speaker 3: Graham sell off his ring?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is a Hall of famer sold off a
Speaker 2: lot of things, and I think that was among them.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's tremendous.
Speaker 2: All the time has come, will Winthrop bt sports co chairs.
Speaker 2: Unlike WWE, real sports seasons do end, therefore giving me
Speaker 2: more free time to finally send an email that's been
Speaker 2: in the pipeline for many months. With WW signing a
Speaker 2: deal with Netflix, we have officially reached the end of
Speaker 2: their partnership with BT Sports Wow, which is now confusingly
Speaker 2: known as TNT Sports on these shores, to commemorate this
Speaker 2: movie exactly, you absolutely nailed it t n T Sports. Dude. Really,
Speaker 2: I mean we're just gonna blow this wide open right now, dude.
Speaker 3: Brother, Yeah, I mean who you've been talking to about?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? You can call it d n T like.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: Did you talk turkey with her brother?
Speaker 2: You don't know, whole cloaking an answer, Bro, what you're
Speaker 2: talking You're talking to Bill? You're talking to Bill Shaw?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 3: Wait you right, you can talk to Harvest Schuler. Did
Speaker 3: you did you shield brother?
Speaker 2: You shill for the Shulster tiss and his ah? Did
Speaker 2: you talk to the talk to brother?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Noises sounds brother brother brother brother brother with the very
Speaker 2: concerning head spinning like a veladine lidar. Okay on top
Speaker 2: of a way mo. With WW signing a deal with Netflix,
Speaker 2: we've officially reached the end. To commemorate this milestone, I
Speaker 2: feel it's only right to follow in Mark mccol's footsteps
Speaker 2: and to leave my boots and fake mm A gloves
Speaker 2: in the middle of the ring and for one last time,
Speaker 2: provide a compilation of comments left on BT sports facebook page.
Speaker 2: Below is the photo BT uploaded, thanking WWE for the
Speaker 2: memory as well. It's pretty quiet, pretty crazy. Let me
Speaker 2: let me share that with you. This is moment. This
Speaker 2: has been a mailbag staple for years and years. And
Speaker 2: get it another thing that the Netflix era just ruins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Netflix sucks. Wow, look at that. Thanks for the memories.
Speaker 3: I mean it's funny too, like you know, you're seeing
Speaker 3: makes of the memories. But it's like everybody who is
Speaker 3: currently on roster except for is John Cena there? No
Speaker 3: he's not there. No he's not w W Champion John
Speaker 3: Cena is not there. The Rock's there though, the Rocks there.
Speaker 3: Triple Ah has got a little better position, but I
Speaker 3: don't know, they're like they're like right close there. Sure
Speaker 3: Rock has no business if you're not gonna Rock has
Speaker 3: no business. Triple H has no business being on this
Speaker 3: fucking poster, none of them. Do. Look at that, brother,
Speaker 3: TNT Sports, dude, it's.
Speaker 2: Really weird to see the TNT logo right underneath WWE. Yep,
Speaker 2: intellectual property aka the wrestlers. So what do you say
Speaker 2: when I want to go one by one in Uh?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Through what people commented on the finals Goodbye WWE article
Speaker 2: on at Sports absolutely do we'll start. Let me get
Speaker 2: the let me pull it up here this waitte is
Speaker 2: uh the oh yeah here it is? I get is
Speaker 2: how the general public marked their appreciation will winthro brights.
Speaker 2: It wasn't much of an era. Lao. Pathetic. The whole
Speaker 2: thing is pathetic. Who actually follows this? That's that's a
Speaker 2: great one. TNT have realized it's not sport. Okay, never
Speaker 2: watched anyways, end of the script. It's good silly eank
Speaker 2: wrestling will not be missed at all. Yeah, it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be a sports channel, not theater. Good ribbits. Oh
Speaker 2: I love how angry as Oh.
Speaker 3: None of it's real.
Speaker 2: For Fox sake, WWE has been unwatchable for over a decade.
Speaker 2: A huge success for T and T getting rid of
Speaker 2: that dead weight. I'm surprised people even pay a subscription
Speaker 2: to watch wrestling. It's fun when you're like six years old,
Speaker 2: cringe when you're full grown in dullas Sunday off. That's
Speaker 2: so true. WWE is not sport, it's entertainment. The clue
Speaker 2: is in the title. Get that as a T shirt factory.
Speaker 3: Man, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: We just set up an API, just pumped these comments
Speaker 2: right on a T shirt. Good.
Speaker 3: That's so brilliant. WWF Yes, I said it died in
Speaker 3: the nineties. Now it's just a circus act WCWNW.
Speaker 2: That's that's more like it. There's a little lot of
Speaker 2: t peeking through, right, Uh huh. Great news. Hopefully TNT
Speaker 2: can put some actual spot in its place. All the
Speaker 2: so called grown men crying over a bunch men fake
Speaker 2: fighting in tights isn't on the TV anymore.
Speaker 3: Grow Up.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's a really good one. All
Speaker 2: the so called grown men crying over a bunch of
Speaker 2: men fake fighting and tights isn't on the TV anymore.
Speaker 2: Grow Up, grow Up.
Speaker 1: A wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
Speaker 1: need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's lapsed fan
Speaker 1: wrestling podcast with Jack and Cap.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being boring, that's the comment. Replace it with
Speaker 2: ease senders. Replace everything with these senders. Who on earth
Speaker 2: would pay money for a pantomime spot? All rehearsed, staged,
Speaker 2: and fixed. Biggest swindle in town. I think window oh man,
Speaker 2: all rehearsed, staged, and fixed.
Speaker 3: Let's fucking go foal, Let's fucking go.
Speaker 2: Just shadow of its formself anyway, the golden days, when
Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties, when the real character is not
Speaker 2: like the cardboard cutouts. Now, can you imagine trying to
Speaker 2: make that qualification while other people are in the chat
Speaker 2: saying this is the This is like impossibly cringe to
Speaker 2: even consider watching. Oh, actually it was a lot better before.
Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up, man, good good stick. Wait a minute,
Speaker 2: good stick, More football on. Here's a good one. There's
Speaker 2: another one. We should put on a T shirt.
Speaker 3: It was never a spoil.
Speaker 2: That one cuts.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: WWB is boring, that's it, says someone wrote that. Someone
Speaker 2: went on the article and wrote that I don't.
Speaker 3: Need That's what.
Speaker 2: You can. Finally cancel subscription has been making us pay
Speaker 2: for this alone. God thing. We're with you, whatever your
Speaker 2: name is, fucking Gretchen or whatever your name is. WW
Speaker 2: is fake wrestling. Ain't nobody gonna miss that bullshit on TV?
Speaker 2: Fake wrestling?
Speaker 3: Its right, not as good as it was back in
Speaker 3: the eighties and nineties the WWWE.
Speaker 2: Someone just wrote the Losers.
Speaker 3: Very popular.
Speaker 2: God knows why if I paid one peep per year
Speaker 2: for it and I feel like they I feel like
Speaker 2: you were stealing my eyes. Still doesn't make it real,
Speaker 2: so I can't sorry them.
Speaker 3: Leaving still doesn't make it real.
Speaker 2: I stopped watching WWE wrestling over sixteen years ago. Knows
Speaker 2: the exact day too. Huh. Yeah, put more UFC things
Speaker 2: on and replacement actual combat instead of bad actors. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the worst acting in pathetic Grown men League, worst acting
Speaker 2: and pathetic grown menly cringe. It is so gringe, it
Speaker 2: really is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It is no loss. WWE hasn't been good in decades, bomy.
Speaker 2: I thought they died or something, just not on TNT anymore.
Speaker 2: It turns out someone else wrote fuck off. That's all
Speaker 2: they wrote. Oh, I used to watches as a kid.
Speaker 2: How can you take that shit seriously as a fully
Speaker 2: grown adult. People out here calling it a sport like
Speaker 2: it's not made up athletic acting. Come on, guys, Logan
Speaker 2: Poles running around like he owns the gaff. You got
Speaker 2: people fighting YouTube as dressed as prime bottles. Jeez, what
Speaker 2: a load of top let's go, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: It goes down like fucking Nando's. Let's taste it. How
Speaker 2: oh shit, people dressed as prime bottles. A load of
Speaker 2: tough is the best thing ever. I gotta find that
Speaker 2: slang slang load of top, give me more, seriously, load
Speaker 2: of tough British slang phrase used to describe a group
Speaker 2: of people who are perceived as being from the upper
Speaker 2: class are wealthy, often with a negative connotation of snobbery.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay, okay, so it's upper class, okay, full
Speaker 2: of juice monkeys and Latex ain't missed it since the nineties.
Speaker 2: Juice monkeys in Latex. He said, how does an unknown
Speaker 2: bleach blonde woman get a marquee spot on this poster?
Speaker 2: Do tell correct question? And to replace w W E
Speaker 2: two and are you reading ahead? Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 2: I haven't done. Just okay, you do it? You read this?
Speaker 2: Replace and replace w W E T N T. Spots
Speaker 2: are going to be showing live Tidle Wings.
Speaker 4: Life.
Speaker 2: It's not taped, not at all. We're live from Wembley Winner.
Speaker 2: We're a live Timney Wings competition is underway.
Speaker 3: Yes here we are once again live Tilly Wings Wembley Stadium,
Speaker 3: the sport to end all sports. We are at the
Speaker 3: TWE Tiddley Wings Entertainment.
Speaker 2: Drop did you say Tindley Winks Entertainment t W Tidley
Speaker 2: Wings Entertainment. That's what they replaced Timm W with. There's
Speaker 2: some guy man. He's in Leads or he's in Wigan.
Speaker 2: I don't know where he is man, but he's in
Speaker 2: Brighton or he's in the hall. He sat down and
Speaker 2: he typed that, and here we are all these weeks later.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, com losing our ship because that's what
Speaker 2: you get for reading your head. By the way, Oh
Speaker 2: my god. It's good stuff, though, Who watches this prescriptive
Speaker 2: rubbish must be so bored pre scripted as opposed to
Speaker 2: post You must be postscripted. You must be so, you
Speaker 2: must be so bored that you're watching this shit. It's
Speaker 2: a good hit. That's such a deep cut, that's tremendous. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't watch it anymore. It's shite now absolute bum liquors.
Speaker 2: Good now you have money to pay for proper sports.
Speaker 2: WW is the worst it's been for a long time.
Speaker 2: Surely no loss for TNT sports. Harmless harmys there's a
Speaker 2: fucking T shirt. Hardly a sport anywhere anyway. Oh look,
Speaker 2: the circus is leaving town.
Speaker 3: And all those brands are so bad now. Fatality is
Speaker 3: so bad it's not even enjoyable. Wrestling died in two
Speaker 3: thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Really, oh here, it is not really sport? Is it
Speaker 2: should be on a children's channel.
Speaker 3: It's like on after Sesame Tree.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, should be on a children's channel. Prioritize
Speaker 2: in wrestling over football coverage was the downfall of BT sports. Wow,
Speaker 2: WWE still exists, fair play.
Speaker 3: It must be real if Netflix is picking it up.
Speaker 2: So William concludes, not an especially fawn farewell from the public.
Speaker 2: Hopefully they'll be oh my god, Hopefully they'll be more
Speaker 2: appreciative when ww coomes groveling back to TV after they've
Speaker 2: booted off Netflix, once they've swept up the rights for
Speaker 2: real sports and no longer have any desire for coordinated combat.
Speaker 2: I should also note that I peeked back in for
Speaker 2: that first Netflix raw that you did a live call
Speaker 2: for perhaps the worst wrestling show of all time and
Speaker 2: probably the last wrestling show I'll ever watch in full,
Speaker 2: pure adulterated shite. The fact I canceled my Netflix subscription
Speaker 2: two weeks later. Was not a coincidence other malebatic musings.
Speaker 2: I rely on Jack going on old man rants to
Speaker 2: give me cathartic release. And when he mentioned the jackass
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee being all over the place when he watches
Speaker 2: ESPN a few months ago, I was hoping he'd rant
Speaker 2: on something that is a major annoyance for me. But alas,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to prompt him. When, why and
Speaker 2: how the fuck did we as a society decide that
Speaker 2: every sports analyst had to pair their suits with the
Speaker 2: whitest crispus sneakers available. Yep, yes, this is so true.
Speaker 3: Also when did it?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: Look, he writes, just good, be a fucking adult and
Speaker 2: put some proper shoes.
Speaker 3: That's basically what I was going to say. I was
Speaker 3: going to say, why why are we? Why are we
Speaker 3: wearing sneakers? It's a great question. I I listen, and
Speaker 3: this is coming from somebody who ended up having to
Speaker 3: buy sneaks. Did I tell you? Did I tell you
Speaker 3: this story about the wedding that we went to in
Speaker 3: the city, So we go, we'd go to black tie
Speaker 3: wedding in New York and after the ceremony there this
Speaker 3: was the fucking worst. After the ceremony, there was a
Speaker 3: three hour break between the ceremony and the reception, starting
Speaker 3: the cocktail hour. It's like you got a bunch of
Speaker 3: people dressed up in gowns and tuxedos wandering around the
Speaker 3: Upper east Side looking like complete goofs. Okay, And so
Speaker 3: I ended up. I had I had some I had
Speaker 3: actually i'd worn my wedding shoes for the first time
Speaker 3: I'd worn them since my wedding, not realizing that the
Speaker 3: glue to my souls was dead. And so we leave
Speaker 3: the ceremony and all of a sudden, I feel like
Speaker 3: something flapping on my foot, like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: And the soul just falls right off. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay, well that happened.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I had brought sneakers, thank god. But and then and
Speaker 3: then as I'm walking, you keep walking, the second falls off.
Speaker 3: I know. I'm just like, so I'm walking around with
Speaker 3: no like just it's just a complete disaster. And so
Speaker 3: my wife says, all right, there's a foot locker. Let's
Speaker 3: just go there and get you some shoes. So keep
Speaker 3: them again, tuxedo down, we walk into foot locker, and
Speaker 3: I ended up buying not by choice, but because they
Speaker 3: were the only ones that look kind of, you know, classy,
Speaker 3: but these black air Jordans, And so I got these
Speaker 3: air Jordans on my fucking but like again, we're buying
Speaker 3: them these you know what, one hundred and fifty dollars shoes,
Speaker 3: which I which I criticized my kid for wanting all
Speaker 3: the time, and yet here I am buying them out
Speaker 3: of necessity. And but I have to say, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you what the difference though, is this they were black,
Speaker 3: they weren't white. Wearing a suit and white sneakers is stupid.
Speaker 3: Sneakers available, wear black sneakers. At least wear black sneakers
Speaker 3: or some a darker color unless you're wearing a white suit.
Speaker 3: I suppose then that would work. But like, come on,
Speaker 3: be an adult and match your fucking clothes, all right.
Speaker 3: Can't let him down, can't let well down. So millennials
Speaker 3: decided that collecting sneakers said something about how in the
Speaker 3: know you were. I don't know how this happened, but
Speaker 3: that was what a lot of millennials decided to do.
Speaker 3: Once they got into the workforce and started to generate
Speaker 3: disposable income. Is they decided to start flexing their their
Speaker 3: knowledge of the culture by wearing sneakers to work. Listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 3: It's just an excuse. And I don't have to wear
Speaker 3: fucking to not get dressed. That's all anyone sees. That's
Speaker 3: what it is. That's all it is, unless you're I'm
Speaker 3: not like mind, I don't, I don't. I don't fault
Speaker 3: people for that, but what I think, but don't act
Speaker 3: like you're wearing fucking adult clothing.
Speaker 2: Millennials fell hard for this idea that we're going to
Speaker 2: take streetwear and we're going to charge four hundred dollars
Speaker 2: for it, and so you can wear what you wore
Speaker 2: in junior high school but feel luxury at the same time. Right,
Speaker 2: and a lot of the luxury brands were happy to
Speaker 2: capitalize on this. Pretty soon, Prada had sneakers that looked
Speaker 2: like they were Nikes. What are we doing here, like
Speaker 2: air Force ones, Well, I don't know what we're doing
Speaker 2: here is making money. Because these fucking tastes are so pathetic,
Speaker 2: we'll just cater to them in colors.
Speaker 3: This is why, this is why it bothers me that
Speaker 3: that like that that that you know, there's this confusion
Speaker 3: over where our generation lies in terms of you know,
Speaker 3: and I don't like being included as a millennial.
Speaker 2: I know we are.
Speaker 3: I don't like that at all at pisses we're.
Speaker 2: The working stiffs now, millennials are the working stiffs.
Speaker 3: I just I just don't like being cluded. I don't
Speaker 3: consider myself to be a millennial at all. I think
Speaker 3: I'm some I'm I'm I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 3: like it at all because I don't identify with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah I identify X, right, but I'm not you know, right,
Speaker 2: I know we're in this weird like the these kind
Speaker 2: of early to mid eighties berths are these is this
Speaker 2: kind of weird neutral zone, Yeah, where like you kind
Speaker 2: of fit into a bunch of different ones.
Speaker 3: And just I'm like, no, fuck that, it's all.
Speaker 2: It's it's part of the same cycle of like, you know,
Speaker 2: we get into our thirties and forties and we try
Speaker 2: to collect all the things that we wanted as kids
Speaker 2: but we couldn't have, and the market's still there because
Speaker 2: it's not like the next generation of kids wants any
Speaker 2: of the shit. So our dumb ass adults. Wallets are
Speaker 2: opening for this stuff. And yeah, sure we'll sell you sneakers.
Speaker 2: If you're going to pay three hundred dollars for them
Speaker 2: so you feel good wearing them to work, that's fine.
Speaker 2: We'll do that. And pretty soon all dress shoe brands
Speaker 2: have got to have the gum shoe underneath, and they
Speaker 2: got to look like sneakers or like golf shoes almost.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's another thing about dress wear. It's like, why does
Speaker 2: everyone suddenly start dressing like their fucking shooter McGavin. When
Speaker 2: did this happen? When is everyone walking around on their
Speaker 2: way to or from the golf course. That's not dress wear,
Speaker 2: that's golf wear, that's sportswear. It's fine whatever, But but
Speaker 2: he's right, there's like this guy like like, what's the
Speaker 2: word I'm looking for? Pat McAfee kind of exemplifies it
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, like party animal jock. But
Speaker 2: he's dressing up. He's got the fit. He'll say fit
Speaker 2: like with a straight face, and he's just dressing down
Speaker 2: what used to be.
Speaker 3: It's like a suit. He's he's like wearing he's like
Speaker 3: wearing like a suit but with like a like a
Speaker 3: wife beater and that ship.
Speaker 2: And I can't stand that there's certain things that are timeless.
Speaker 2: You know, lock in folks before it's too late. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's definitely, I mean definitely like.
Speaker 3: A confusing We're gonna assume we're gonna be wearing fucking
Speaker 3: bathing suits and uh uh you know, and and and
Speaker 3: uh tube tops everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody have to dress all the time in a way
Speaker 2: that's designed to remind you that they burn calories like
Speaker 2: a motherfucker. Oh you know what I mean. Everybody's got
Speaker 2: to look performance. Everything's performance. Now these are these look
Speaker 2: like dress pants, but you can actually run a fucking tryathl.
Speaker 3: Why would you want to do that?
Speaker 2: It's that fucking high end active Oh God help us.
Speaker 2: All it is is COVID got us so fucking comfortable
Speaker 2: in our home clothes that we didn't want to leave them.
Speaker 2: And people were able to convince us that they could,
Speaker 2: They could three x the price of some of these things,
Speaker 2: and and and and create a sense of luxury and
Speaker 2: status around a fucking hooded sweatshirt, which is the ultimate
Speaker 2: bum thing to throw on, which is fine. I love
Speaker 2: a good hoodie. Who doesn't, But the idea they found
Speaker 2: a way to charge us six hundred dollars for hoodies
Speaker 2: is just the deep the deepest indictment of the species.
Speaker 2: I can't becauly.
Speaker 3: Because you know why, because our kids will will they
Speaker 3: they want to well, that's they want to spend. It
Speaker 3: is a big problem. And wearing fucking you know, getting
Speaker 3: getting my kids sweatshirts with all these fucking nineties bands
Speaker 3: on them.
Speaker 2: I'm dressed for work, but I want you to know
Speaker 2: I work out. I want you to know every fucking
Speaker 2: second you're looking at me, I work out.
Speaker 3: Well that's fine, go work out, But why don't you
Speaker 3: work in here? Okay, why don't you get dressed like
Speaker 3: a fucking human and work in here and work out
Speaker 3: on your own time.
Speaker 2: Everyone's got backpacks now because they have to put in
Speaker 2: fucking six hours at the gym after work. Like what
Speaker 2: do we doing, folks? Can we just like separate these things,
Speaker 2: like compartmentalize them? Perhaps, but no, I gotta watch this
Speaker 2: guy literally do like thrust squats and in dress clothes. Well,
Speaker 2: does he does he have a Does he does he
Speaker 2: have one of those uh those rising desks where you
Speaker 2: can tread underneath?
Speaker 3: Yes he does?
Speaker 2: Yeh that's right, stand I read I read somewhere burn calleries,
Speaker 2: So of course it's I like to walk and work,
Speaker 2: which you're burning my patience. Hey helps me burn calories.
Speaker 2: I come step to the mic and I'm screaming my
Speaker 2: fucking ass off, So I guess, I guess it works
Speaker 2: for everybody. Will also says feel like every email these
Speaker 2: days must ask about cinemat qualifiers, so I shall follow suit.
Speaker 2: This may have already been answered as I'm behind on cinemat,
Speaker 2: But do real actors who play a character on a
Speaker 2: wrestling show qualify, such as David Ketchner, who was the
Speaker 2: original right to censor for a show or two, or
Speaker 2: Leland Jones, who was one of the cops that tried
Speaker 2: to arrest Goldberg for stalking Liz. I mainly asked to
Speaker 2: make sure David Crumholtz, who start as the fake Drew
Speaker 2: McIntyre and the Thunderdome apparently makes the Santa Claus as
Speaker 2: cinemat eligible. Did he really don't know anything about this?
Speaker 2: I don't know that at all. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 2: really fesingring a thundered doome. Raw he likes a body
Speaker 2: double for Drew McIntyre. I guess that's really funny. I
Speaker 2: mean it all depends. I mean it's not that simple
Speaker 2: per se, but like I like them to be more involved,
Speaker 2: preferably and then just made a cameo. Then just having
Speaker 2: made a cameo like like like you know, I'd say,
Speaker 2: I'd say the best example, in my opinion, of somebody
Speaker 2: who didn't actually even get in the ring but was
Speaker 2: constant is Leslie Nielsen because of the ninety four Yeah,
Speaker 2: he actually took you on TV pro right, can they
Speaker 2: on TV for a month or more? You know with
Speaker 2: all these little vignettes and stuff. So he's like, really,
Speaker 2: that's a real connection. Yeah, I don't know. I'd have
Speaker 2: to take a look. It's a case by case thing. Also,
Speaker 2: it depends, it depends, I won't lie about this, depends
Speaker 2: on how desperate I'm willing to put a movie. Of course,
Speaker 2: you're old, you're just a human being. Yeah, but some
Speaker 2: ridiculous ones. Oh there's a wrestling scene on a TV
Speaker 2: in one scene, it's like, okay.
Speaker 3: Oh that totally that that listen that if they if
Speaker 3: they are if they, I will say this, if the
Speaker 3: if the director, because there's there there there, we've already
Speaker 3: done one of them that that that qualified, that was
Speaker 3: natural Born Killers. It's the only reason why I qualified
Speaker 3: was because it was you know, and that to me
Speaker 3: is the like. But if they if the if the
Speaker 3: director whoever it is, Oliver Stone or the guy who
Speaker 3: directed the movie The Fugitive sequel Us Marshalls decides to
Speaker 3: focus the camera on TV that is featuring wrestling and
Speaker 3: they don't cut it out of the film. That is
Speaker 3: a definite qualification because there is a they chose to
Speaker 3: keep that in. They chose to keep that in, and
Speaker 3: that is a major qualification of it. But to your point,
Speaker 3: like a cameo like all the raw gms, the guest
Speaker 3: hosts and stuff like that. Yeah, I just it. It
Speaker 3: feels a little too easy for me. But again it's
Speaker 3: a case by case basis. I mean, honestly, David crumholdts,
Speaker 3: you know, the Santa Claus, I would movies like that,
Speaker 3: Christmas movies especially. It's like, I'm more than willing to
Speaker 3: to to make exceptions for that because because I'm I
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: I can't believe the one It's a wonderful life that
Speaker 2: you found. I thought that was never gonna happen. I know,
Speaker 2: we're just like, sorry, I can't, man, I can't do it.
Speaker 2: I was like okay, and then was and I went
Speaker 2: running to my bookcase to get my It's a Wonderful
Speaker 2: Life book.
Speaker 3: And the fact that he makes it on the screen
Speaker 3: too is what's my So you know, that's the best
Speaker 3: part is that he actually makes it. That's always you know,
Speaker 3: when you have the actors who the wrestlers who are
Speaker 3: in the movies, who are mostly background, they don't really
Speaker 3: have a real part, it's it's it's so much more
Speaker 3: satisfying when we can find them yeah and see them
Speaker 3: and like say, hey, there they are, we got them.
Speaker 2: I agree. That's that really brings it home. Like Joe
Speaker 2: Fowler an Independence Day, that you can see him is
Speaker 2: so important.
Speaker 3: So hardly but he's there. Even Jola Creta like, we
Speaker 3: couldn't see him in uh in uh Friends of Any Coil,
Speaker 3: but we could see him in Jaws and that was huge.
Speaker 2: Now cute one of the Christmas movies and stuff, it's
Speaker 2: August too early for pumpkin spice.
Speaker 3: Never never ever listen, They've they've been sought at Walmart,
Speaker 3: they're already selling pumpkins spice. And I can't wait. August.
Speaker 3: End of August. They've got to someone. Someone texted me
Speaker 3: the date. They've got a p SL date. Listen the
Speaker 3: moment it comes out. I don't care when it is.
Speaker 3: It's fall.
Speaker 2: What if it's like a crafts I'll be drinking it
Speaker 2: and I'll be wearing a big ass fucking coat. All right,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm ready. I have found myself and
Speaker 2: these dogs end of July. End of July, I'm ready
Speaker 2: for for a fucking fall. I think that's what makes
Speaker 2: me ask about it is I've now, I've now downloaded
Speaker 2: that cadence myself, and I'm just I found myself in
Speaker 2: some of these dog days, a summer kind of day
Speaker 2: dreaming about the sound of leaves scraping on the cement
Speaker 2: as they're blown down the street.
Speaker 3: Yes, just the idea of opening the door and it's brisk,
Speaker 3: but it's not freezing, of course, not just brisk. Love
Speaker 3: that love that feeling. Okay, I cannot wait for that
Speaker 3: because he doesn't feel like that right now? Does it?
Speaker 3: The door? Oh my god, it it feels like fucking
Speaker 3: hell on earth. Just today was brutal. It was today,
Speaker 3: It was fucking brutal. I so today was one of
Speaker 3: those days. You could be in the car. You could
Speaker 3: be in the car for an hour and a half. Okay,
Speaker 3: your car is ice cold from air conditioning. You get out,
Speaker 3: you have to go drop something off of the fucking mailbox.
Speaker 3: All right, You're gone for thirty seconds tops. By the
Speaker 3: time you get back, you're hot. Your car is a
Speaker 3: fucking lava pit. It's like, it doesn't matter, it's that hot.
Speaker 3: It was awful today. I want to shoot.
Speaker 2: People love that ship. They love when it's so hot.
Speaker 3: Man, Oh, I can't. I know. My wife's my wife
Speaker 3: like she lives for the sun. She lives for the sun.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I want the sun to go away.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that say so much? Why can't it be gray outside?
Speaker 2: I know, I mean, I don't want to be gray
Speaker 2: per se, but I don't want the sun to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, overwhelming my ship, right, I want to be
Speaker 2: I want to think about other things than the fact
Speaker 2: that it's one hundred degrees. But if it's a hundred degrees,
Speaker 2: I can't think about anything else.
Speaker 3: And not to mention, like I go to walk my
Speaker 3: fucking dog and this is that type of time of
Speaker 3: year and he's just so humid and they're just fucking
Speaker 3: gnats flying like the moment you walk outside.
Speaker 2: Then I was like, yeah, they do not call the
Speaker 2: fuck down. And it's like they're like all over my face,
Speaker 2: They're going in my fucking ears. It's just it's miss
Speaker 2: what's there to recommend it? I know, I know, just
Speaker 2: mosquitos nats die. It's great, just awful, says. If there's
Speaker 2: one thing I know about the co chairs, it's that
Speaker 2: you always appreciate being reminded of any pressing insight from
Speaker 2: previous shows. Therefore, here's a quote from Jack on the
Speaker 2: Summer Slam ninety seven episode when asked about the moment
Speaker 2: that cemented him as a lapsed fan at three hours
Speaker 2: nineteen minutes. Quote, when I realized that what wrestling was
Speaker 2: going to be post WCW folding was Triple H and
Speaker 2: his many ascents up the mountain, and everything was going
Speaker 2: to revolve around him when he had the power to
Speaker 2: make the hype about him. No matter what happens, who
Speaker 2: comes in, or what storyline they book, it's basically about
Speaker 2: Triple H. Either Triple H is winning or he's making somebody.
Speaker 2: And that's still too much Triple H for me, And
Speaker 2: even now in today's new world is Paul where he's
Speaker 2: baby facing himself as the NXT mastermind, as this great
Speaker 2: architect of WW accepting indie rific style matches, It's still
Speaker 2: about Triple H. And I don't care about Triple H
Speaker 2: that much.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so fucking.
Speaker 2: But in twenty seventeen, and given that Netflix show opened
Speaker 2: with him revealed in the ring like a big like
Speaker 2: a bad David Blaine trick, safe to say it's even
Speaker 2: worse than before. Say who went into the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame this year? God, you recently mentioned The Pain off
Speaker 2: the Pacific as an underrated journey. I feel they need
Speaker 2: to admit that because of that journey, including a throwaway
Speaker 2: riff on Larry's Bbisco visiting Tji Fridays.
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember that, but.
Speaker 2: I know immediately think of three things whenever I see
Speaker 2: a sports announce their favorite restaurant, chosen order, and how
Speaker 2: they address their waitress. For example, anytime I watch Sunday
Speaker 2: Night football, immediately picture Mike Tirrico ordering a Ribie it
Speaker 2: out back after the game and making the effort to
Speaker 2: read the waitress's name tag such good stuff. I remember
Speaker 2: Damn Jack being enraged to Wrestlingia thirty three for having
Speaker 2: Pitbull concert five hours in and demanding to know who
Speaker 2: on earth could want that. Well, we found the one person.
Speaker 2: Darts prodigy Luke Littler was a kid in attendance for
Speaker 2: the show. Okay, there's the darks darts. There are no products.
Speaker 2: Well into darts. My friend will as well. At the darts,
Speaker 2: I can tell.
Speaker 3: Like like like it's like being a bowling prodigy. All right,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's just not happening. No, I can't. I
Speaker 3: can't stand by that.
Speaker 2: What's going to be in the Olympics for the first
Speaker 2: time this year? They had break dancing last time, adding
Speaker 2: something else ludicrous. Darts prodigy Luke Littler was a kid
Speaker 2: in attendance for the show and now uses that song
Speaker 2: as his entrance music because of that, it is the wow,
Speaker 2: absolute bane of my life. Making that song a regular
Speaker 2: part of my life is Vince's biggest crime. And finally,
Speaker 2: over the past year, you've been asking people to say
Speaker 2: what TLF means to them in honor of TLFX. Here's
Speaker 2: my testimony. Because of TLF, I know what Jeff Town
Speaker 2: is I sent an email to you five years ago
Speaker 2: saying that I couldn't get the sound of Jeff's grandmother
Speaker 2: playing the piano out of my head after watching it,
Speaker 2: and you said I never would.
Speaker 3: You were right.
Speaker 2: Not a week goes by where that sound doesn't cross
Speaker 2: my mind. So fuck you for that.
Speaker 3: It's all it's it's listen that that, you know. It's
Speaker 3: like it's like when you go it's like when you
Speaker 3: go to another country that has you know. I think
Speaker 3: about the time I went to the Dominican Republican vacation.
Speaker 3: I found out a year later that the place we
Speaker 3: went to was a hub for malaria. Sure, and it's
Speaker 3: like you're just you're just you're you're just consumed by
Speaker 3: that now and you can't. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I want to donate blood. I'm you know, I've never
Speaker 2: been able to successfully donate blood.
Speaker 3: Ever. The first time I did, they hit two veins
Speaker 3: and might they clotted like crazy, and so I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I gave. I could only give like a quarter of
Speaker 3: a pint, and it was like, no good. So that
Speaker 3: was the first time. The second time was this time
Speaker 3: after this vacation, and they said no because I wanted
Speaker 3: to I want I need to find out my blood
Speaker 3: type because my kid was being born. And so this
Speaker 3: is right before we started the show. And and they said,
Speaker 3: have you been to the Dominican Republican the last year?
Speaker 3: It is yeah, well then we can't take your blood
Speaker 3: because because you know, because that's a hub for malaria.
Speaker 3: It's like, fuck me. And even this, even this last
Speaker 3: the last time I did it, there was there was
Speaker 3: a there was a place at my wife's work and
Speaker 3: they were doing like a blood drive. And this is
Speaker 3: the third time, okay, third time I've tried to give blood.
Speaker 3: And their computers broke down and I couldn't wait, Like
Speaker 3: I couldn't wait, Like I was there for over an
Speaker 3: hour waiting for them to get their computers in the
Speaker 3: fix and get their systems back online.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't do it. I had to leave. I
Speaker 2: had to go to an appointment. It's like, I just
Speaker 2: am not meant to give blood, not meant to donate
Speaker 2: my fucking blood. You know. There are worse things.
Speaker 3: And that was for that was for a big reason.
Speaker 3: This was maybe a year or two ago. There was
Speaker 3: a reason too, because like like there was a lot
Speaker 3: of I forget what happened where they needed blood. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: U earthquakers something maybe it was an earthquake or natural
Speaker 3: disaster and there was like just a need for blood.
Speaker 3: And I was like, all right, gladly, I want to,
Speaker 3: but it just never works out.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, it's wacky.
Speaker 3: It's wacky. It's like, I mean, three times. I know
Speaker 3: I haven't like tried a million times, but it's like
Speaker 3: I just never been able to. It's just to me,
Speaker 3: it's weird that in three times, I've never over over
Speaker 3: the span of twenty six years, three times, and I've
Speaker 3: never been able to give it.
Speaker 2: And you never tried to blade in one of those renaissance.
Speaker 2: I guess seriously, it's that malaria thing about Dominican reminds
Speaker 2: me of like, you know, like the Winner of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been to China? Have you been to
Speaker 2: China lately? If yes, then you can't go on the cruise? Yea, yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: we're going to contain the coronavirus. Yeah, okay, ok right right,
Speaker 2: Steve the good old days, Steve back in the spot,
Speaker 2: he says, and also Buffalo Bill Shows qualifies the Westerns.
Speaker 2: Origin also qualifies all Westerns because it inspired one of
Speaker 2: Bischof's failed business ventures and the beer thing you tried.
Speaker 2: You can qualify any Western because of Eric.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, he says.
Speaker 2: You could definitely make a case for calamity. Jane is
Speaker 2: in real life, she spent a fair bit of her
Speaker 2: career working for Buffalo Bill. Hey, there we go, t Jane,
Speaker 2: Jason Hangholm, thank you very much for your generous support,
Speaker 2: Eric saying to you, Matthew Hardaway, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for joining us in a big way on Patreon. We
Speaker 2: do deeply appreciate the full throttle support. A reminder, you know,
Speaker 2: if Patreon isn't your thing in terms of like a
Speaker 2: recurring way to support the cast, you can always drop
Speaker 2: a tip in our digital tip jar. Just type the
Speaker 2: lapsed famite gmail dot com and your PayPal account and
Speaker 2: you can send us just a one off payment. Michael
Speaker 2: Hooper did that recently, said you know, hope you both
Speaker 2: are well. Coachairs, keep on keeping on and man, that's
Speaker 2: our day. Just to get a little bit of that support.
Speaker 2: That way, that's like the new thing. Anyway. I see
Speaker 2: all these video streams, it's like people are like donating
Speaker 2: in real time. You know, like ching thank you to
Speaker 2: get to get a shout out on the stream and stuff.
Speaker 2: So it's no different than that. Zach writes, of course
Speaker 2: Warrior was shady and full of shit, but it always
Speaker 2: struck me as so bizarre how Vince Bruce at Hall
Speaker 2: acted like it was this mic drop proof that Warrior
Speaker 2: lied about the reason he missed shots because he hated
Speaker 2: his father. Remember the whole thing about how his father
Speaker 2: died and he went to the funeral and that's why
Speaker 2: he no showed shows in the ninety six run Yep, yep,
Speaker 2: and he couldn't possibly care that he died. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: is pretty fucked up. He says, what other employer would
Speaker 2: consider how close you said you were to your late
Speaker 2: father as a basis to grant bereavement leave?
Speaker 3: Well, I believe in Well, First of all, I need evidence.
Speaker 3: Oh you're all broken up about it, hump hell. I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, all of a sudden, you're caring about an
Speaker 3: individual that I know for a fact you didn't care about.
Speaker 3: Can I have evidence to show that your relationship got better?
Speaker 2: My business is going to be substantially impaired by this
Speaker 2: decision you've made, and I fill on within my rights
Speaker 2: to properly diligence the basis on which you're causing that impairment.
Speaker 3: If you know, I mean you're under contract with.
Speaker 2: Me, which means I can do it contract with your
Speaker 2: father's funeral, right, So yeah, I take that.
Speaker 3: Where do we Where do we stand now? Are you
Speaker 3: in breach of contract with your father by not attending
Speaker 3: his funeral?
Speaker 2: Of course not? Or is that contract with him melon
Speaker 2: void anyway because he's dead. You never cared a shit.
Speaker 2: He never cared about you, and you never cared about him.
Speaker 2: So if you need to go there, I need evidence
Speaker 2: that you truly had a relationship. I don't need hard,
Speaker 2: concrete evidence, whether it's pictures, letters exchanged through the mail, videos,
Speaker 2: whatever I need. I need a significant amount of evidence
Speaker 2: to prove that you had a true relationship and that
Speaker 2: you are that you are suffering because I Jim will
Speaker 2: not be taken advantage of because I'll tell you what,
Speaker 2: you will not make me suffertly. I lost my dad too.
Speaker 2: You don't see me citing it as a reason to
Speaker 2: miss shots.
Speaker 3: In fact, I doubled down on work after he died,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna double down on your ass.
Speaker 2: That's how he deals with talent. Tyler aries. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your generous pledge. Ray Sanson, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for joining us on Patreon. Cliff writes, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you this one. This is a first
Speaker 2: time emailer, so that's that's always cause for celebration around
Speaker 2: these parts. Oh, by the way, now that we just
Speaker 2: finished the whole thing, Will Winthrop is the mail bag goat.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm gonna say it right now. And I don't
Speaker 2: know where we go from here if indeed the BT
Speaker 2: Sports segment is no more, but that's how I'm gonna
Speaker 2: miss it too. So many things trend just transitioning, you know,
Speaker 2: so many things in the before times in the after times.
Speaker 2: There's a line in the sand being drawn here at
Speaker 2: the midpoint of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: But yep, the second half of that email lets you
Speaker 2: know that he's still going to very much be in
Speaker 2: contention even if he doesn't have that that resource available
Speaker 2: to him. But let's hear from Cliff.
Speaker 3: And also, just so you know, so the bleach Blonde
Speaker 3: that that one person was angry about is Live Morgan,
Speaker 3: Live Morgan. Okay, Sorry, I stand I stand by that.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: On brand for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep. Greetings co chairs and fellow connoisseurs of
Speaker 3: consensual combats, right, consensual comp that's you listen to what
Speaker 3: it is. I wonder if they have I'm sure they
Speaker 3: don't because they don't have a union and they don't
Speaker 3: have anyone, you know. But I was like intimacy coordinators,
Speaker 3: like most like films have to have nowadays, you know,
Speaker 3: in regards to given that it is a very much uh,
Speaker 3: you know, physical contact form of entertainment, you know. First
Speaker 3: time emailer, longtime e listener like that. I wanted to
Speaker 3: send you both an email for a long time, but
Speaker 3: I wanted to make my first message cats spirit. I
Speaker 3: think now is the right time to reach out. I
Speaker 3: came across your podcast in March of twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: on a Twitter thread recommending new wrestling podcast mentioned TLF
Speaker 3: and said it was worth a listen. Like for many,
Speaker 3: the runtime was daunting at first, but that spring wasn't
Speaker 3: easy for me. My grandmother and I basically had to
Speaker 3: move out of our house for a week while it
Speaker 3: was being bug bombed.
Speaker 2: That's the worst.
Speaker 3: It was not a fun time. I crashed in my
Speaker 3: mother's living room for a week on an air mattress
Speaker 3: and started that started deflating after four days. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the worst feeling when when you're when you're sleeping on
Speaker 3: an air mattress and all of a sudden, you can
Speaker 3: you know that it's like wait a minute, like you
Speaker 3: like you're laying on your stomach. You're laying your stomach,
Speaker 3: but you're like sinking in the middle, and so you're
Speaker 3: you know, to feel the hard ground. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: not good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And found comfort in the release of a video game
Speaker 3: I've been looking forward to for well over a year
Speaker 3: and this new college podcast I was quote trying out
Speaker 3: that effortlessly distracted me for hours on end. Fast forward
Speaker 3: four years, and I don't know when the quote trying
Speaker 3: out period ended and the quote never stopping unquote period started.
Speaker 3: But I guess that's all. That's how all addictions work. Right.
Speaker 3: To say your pod became something of an obsession to
Speaker 3: me would be an understatement. I created a spreadsheet to
Speaker 3: catalog every show you did and their run times, were
Speaker 3: they a Hopper winner, what journey they were a part of,
Speaker 3: and if I've listened to it or not. It's a
Speaker 3: work in progress. I create playlists in Spotify to keep
Speaker 3: track of episodes and journeys. Does it matter to anyone
Speaker 3: else that both parts of In Your House eight Beware
Speaker 3: of Dog was six hours and fifty seven minutes total. Wow,
Speaker 3: both parts the same time? That's crazy? No, But do
Speaker 3: I love knowing that every show from nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 3: clocks in at almost one hundred eleven hours. The Stark
Speaker 3: Memorial Tour is eleven minutes shy of one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty hours long at your magnum opus. The journey I've
Speaker 3: dove into three times, the lamentable tragedy of World Class
Speaker 3: is eighty eight hours thirty six minutes long. I can't believe, actually,
Speaker 3: that the WCCW World Class is less than Starcade. I
Speaker 3: would have thought because that was just such a long,
Speaker 3: a long period of time. But yes, it gets my
Speaker 3: fucking dick hard knowing you've spent hundreds and hundreds, no
Speaker 3: thousands of minutes buried deep inside me. Yes, staying there
Speaker 3: until your are finished and holding on just a little
Speaker 3: bit longer because you aren't finished yet, that's the right way.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. We stay until we're finished, but
Speaker 3: we hold on a little bit longer because we're not finished.
Speaker 2: Wow, Holy shit.
Speaker 3: I say all of this only to bring the mood
Speaker 3: of the email crashing back down to earth for a moment.
Speaker 3: I've struggled with an addiction for probably ten years now,
Speaker 3: not realizing my seemingly vice was a crippling addiction until
Speaker 3: I was making up excuses that after moving in with
Speaker 3: my fiance to hide away from her at night to
Speaker 3: indulge or would waste hours of my day when I
Speaker 3: was home alone buried in my addiction, knowing full well
Speaker 3: I would come out of the other side regretting every
Speaker 3: second I just wasted beating myself up for the rest
Speaker 3: of the day. Couple that with a recent diagnosis of
Speaker 3: depression and a history of generalized anxiety, twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: has been a to find dog shit year for me.
Speaker 3: I've been off work since April as a result, and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to find a new direction in life. Thankfully,
Speaker 3: my fiance is incredibly supportive and has given me more
Speaker 3: grace and understanding than I deserve. If she only, if
Speaker 3: only she knew how badly I was cheating on her.
Speaker 3: With the two of you, every spare minute I have
Speaker 3: holding you both deep inside while I do menial chores
Speaker 3: around the house or cooking our meals and making the
Speaker 3: most boring tasks doable. Maybe she'd rethink her engagement. Maybe
Speaker 3: she will when I get her a lapsed wife shirt.
Speaker 3: Once we finally tie the knob couple.
Speaker 2: They're out there.
Speaker 3: This's happened. It's great, and I love that. I started
Speaker 3: a blog a year ago and I've been having the
Speaker 3: time of my life writing about wrestling from all over
Speaker 3: the world. I've linked it at the bottom of the
Speaker 3: of this email if you care to check it out
Speaker 3: or shot me out. I can't stand reading pages that
Speaker 3: only cover the current product and give bland boring play
Speaker 3: by play write ups of what happened in the week.
Speaker 3: Just recently, I covered a match from Deadlock Pro Wrestling
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four and an NWA Los Angeles match
Speaker 3: from nineteen fifty one in the same post. I watch
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Speaker 3: me busy during the week and lets me explore this hokey,
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Speaker 3: my spare time, I'm working on my own coliseum collection
Speaker 3: with THEWW network or with the WW networked out now
Speaker 3: dead and buried for US Canadians. It's become my passion
Speaker 3: and I want to explore it further and maybe even
Speaker 3: make a couple of bucks off of my writing. Starting
Speaker 3: my blog and expanding my wrestling horizons has given me
Speaker 3: the courage to stop watching WWE Cold Turkey. I have
Speaker 3: been fed up with the f for months now, but
Speaker 3: kept watching p Le's out of habit and wanting to
Speaker 3: keep up with the product. But the closer I got
Speaker 3: to WrestleMania forty one this year, the harder it got
Speaker 3: to justify watching this slop. If I heard, if I
Speaker 3: heard Triple H say, oh come on, where the fuck
Speaker 3: is it? What we do? There were God in an
Speaker 3: interview one more time, I was going to throw myself
Speaker 3: headfirst into a wall. I did a scorched earth blog
Speaker 3: post about WWE and gave it up completely after seeing
Speaker 3: a beat Rhodes in one of the worst Mania main
Speaker 3: events I've seen in a long time. But that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean I won't get my fix from my co chairs.
Speaker 3: Once an addict, always an addict. I couldn't help myself.
Speaker 3: I love your breakdown of the senior heel turn before Mania.
Speaker 3: You both said everything I was thinking about this turn
Speaker 3: and validated my fears that this was going to be
Speaker 3: a huge stake. So after the Manium made event, I
Speaker 3: was out running errands and I felt that itch. I
Speaker 3: wonder where they thought of that main event. They couldn't
Speaker 3: have been happy with it, I wondered to myself. Almost
Speaker 3: an autopilot, I pulled out my phone and loaded up
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Speaker 3: listening to any more. The app I once gave a
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Speaker 3: The app I was using to follow people and be
Speaker 3: a freeloading bitch. On the very same app, I am
Speaker 3: now giving twenty two dollars a month for something that
Speaker 3: is essential to my day to day life. I considered
Speaker 3: backing out A week or two later. I'm unemployed, I thought,
Speaker 3: I need to save money everywhere I can. Fuck it,
Speaker 3: I'm canceling out her bullshit subscriptions to keep that ivy
Speaker 3: hooked directly into my veins. The lapse fan is the
Speaker 3: fucking truth, and I will happily die on this hill
Speaker 3: for my co chairs. I wrap up this email by
Speaker 3: saying thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.
Speaker 3: TLF has done more for me than some of my family,
Speaker 3: my friends, and any amount of medicine has to help me,
Speaker 3: has to has to help me keep going. Depression and
Speaker 3: addiction can can kick rocks, and I am determined to
Speaker 3: kick both of them and take you two along with me.
Speaker 3: It's not easy, but nothing worth doing ever is. There
Speaker 3: is light at the end of the time that I
Speaker 3: that I still can't see, and I don't care.
Speaker 2: How long the road is ahead of me. I have
Speaker 2: all I need to keep me going, buried deep inside
Speaker 2: yours in sports fakery. Cliff, Salute, Salute Cliff.
Speaker 3: Damn right.
Speaker 2: We'll keep casting. That's all we can do. We'll keep casting,
Speaker 2: Daniel writes. Vince explains ww T Saboo, it really makes
Speaker 2: me laugh when laps Vince goes off on a one
Speaker 2: sided conversation. I thought I would transcribe the one from
Speaker 2: the most recent episode where Vince is explaining to Saboo
Speaker 2: why he needs to do promos and become a real
Speaker 2: WW character.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what.
Speaker 2: If we may do the Great Saboo fly in We
Speaker 2: could create a toy with wings, the Flying Saboo. Then
Speaker 2: we could have variations on the action figures. We could
Speaker 2: have combat Saboo or Sabu the garbage man. You see,
Speaker 2: the kids can create their own stories. We provide a template.
Speaker 2: The kids can create their own stories. We provide a template.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. Oh my god, Oh my god, that's
Speaker 2: the funniest shit ever.
Speaker 4: Hear.
Speaker 2: We provide a template. You see the WWE And I
Speaker 2: don't know if you're aware of this. We're a publicly
Speaker 2: traded media conglomerate and we have offices in Connecticut, New York,
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, Hong Kong, Australia, Toronto, Tokyo, different places. And
Speaker 2: we provide a multitude of weekly content that is a
Speaker 2: template for branching off into personal story telling. I couldn't
Speaker 2: finish it. Hold on, and we provide a multitude of
Speaker 2: weekly content that is a template for branching off into
Speaker 2: personal storytelling. As we inspire others to create their own stories.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 3: It's not even about creating, like fucking television shows. It's
Speaker 3: about creating. It's about creating stuff that can then.
Speaker 2: Inspire kids to do storylines with their action figures. So
Speaker 2: so you have to execute our story in order to
Speaker 2: inspire others to create their source. And in doing so,
Speaker 2: we involve the different aspects of this digital age that
Speaker 2: we live in, dealing with all sorts of verticals and
Speaker 2: return ROI very big on ROI and the Ara.
Speaker 3: You get it.
Speaker 2: You get it.
Speaker 3: You speak my language. You know, Oh my god, you
Speaker 3: know something. You know, it's very funny. It's like it's
Speaker 3: like I I I listen to this, you know, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, like like he sounds like Trump,
Speaker 3: he speaks like tru guess. Yeah, you know you love
Speaker 3: the Big Family.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's it's hilarious. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: good point. Yeah, there's a little bit of that going
Speaker 2: on here. You speak my language. And then I piped
Speaker 2: in and said, your original ring name, as I understand it,
Speaker 2: Pale was Terry s r O. I right, that's what
Speaker 2: it was, Terry s Return on Investment. Okay, you're ready.
Speaker 2: This is this brings it home. And Daniel took the
Speaker 2: time to transcribe this That's how you know we hit
Speaker 2: something big when someone writes us and just transcribes what
Speaker 2: we said. Oh my god, that's right, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Terry s return on investment. I see no problem with
Speaker 2: how we advance. Go forth, create, inspire, tell us story,
Speaker 2: go forth, go forth.
Speaker 3: Go forth. Oh you know, this is this is the
Speaker 3: this is this is what's I'm I'm, I'm what what
Speaker 3: What makes me laugh about that is that? And and
Speaker 3: in a weird way, it makes me angry at myself
Speaker 3: because I could never fucking write that ship. It came
Speaker 3: out of my brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it came out of your lapsed Vince brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I could never sit down and fuck write that.
Speaker 2: Definitely not.
Speaker 3: That's why audio fucking rules, man, Oh that's why rules.
Speaker 3: That's just fucking hilarious. Andrew, greetings from Zombia. This is
Speaker 3: a first, dearest co Chairman. I write to you from
Speaker 3: the heart of Livingstone, Zombia. I wonder how many lapsed
Speaker 3: fans are here with me. Over the last week I've
Speaker 3: been here for work, my days starting very early and
Speaker 3: going very late when I travel for work, especially being
Speaker 3: so far away from home and my beautiful wife and daughter.
Speaker 3: I have a hard time, very hard time sleeping and
Speaker 3: staying mindful andsane during the stressful time. The show has
Speaker 3: been my salve, a the thing I can look forward
Speaker 3: to when I put my head down at night. Here
Speaker 3: at the hotel, I've been running on three to four
Speaker 3: hours of sleep each day for the last week or so.
Speaker 3: But I'm less stressed about my sleep because I am
Speaker 3: able to put my headphones in and tune out and relax.
Speaker 3: This week, I've caught up on the thirty week Mania journey,
Speaker 3: speaking of which I think thirty one to forty really
Speaker 3: deserved lapsed treatment.
Speaker 2: I hope you consider it a remarkable follow up. At
Speaker 2: the hotel, I was hanging out in the conference room
Speaker 2: working late still here at almost nine p m. When
Speaker 2: one of the hotel staff came in, a young man
Speaker 2: around the age of nineteen. We started bullshitting, and I
Speaker 2: asked what his favorite TV shows and movies are. He
Speaker 2: then told me, I sh you not bashfully and just
Speaker 2: as full of shame as any one of us should have.
Speaker 2: Do you know wrestling? Actually? Never mind. We immediately bonded
Speaker 2: over our shared public interest pathetic interest rather, Although I
Speaker 2: don't think he knew or cared about anything we.
Speaker 3: Heard of public interest we have we have a public company.
Speaker 2: In case that was not clear to you.
Speaker 3: I'm very interested in public interests.
Speaker 2: We then were bolts of very interested in what the
Speaker 2: public is interested in.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm very I'm very interested in interest.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we're in the fan
Speaker 2: service business. We then discussed his love for Randy Orton.
Speaker 2: It cannot be underestimated how much global appeal Orton and
Speaker 2: Seena have. It's staggering. No lapsed fans here, but sure enough,
Speaker 2: like I saw most certainly in a few years he
Speaker 2: will be. We did it. Great dispatch. That's our first
Speaker 2: from Zambia. Man, that's a new one. That is a
Speaker 2: new one for SUREA writes to us on our Saboo tribute.
Speaker 2: So glad you mentioned Saboo's match with Owen Hart a
Speaker 2: dark match in WWF. I was actually at that show.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Everyone wants to see video of that
Speaker 2: and see if it exists, and have been meaning to
Speaker 2: write about it since Sabu passed. We had no idea
Speaker 2: who Sabu was at that point, but he had a
Speaker 2: full presentation in that match, a someone that was going
Speaker 2: to be a star. Yeah, we watched the Scottie Too
Speaker 2: hoty mon a Night Rod Dark match. They were presenting
Speaker 2: him as so they weren't putting any handcuffs on that guy.
Speaker 2: He was allowed to go out there and be Saboo
Speaker 2: and the people were into it. This one comes from
Speaker 2: the Germans. Name for me is the Little Mang. That's
Speaker 2: his screen name. He writes in the style and fashion
Speaker 2: of the ECW Sci Fi era Sabo that we spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time getting acquainted with during our Sabu
Speaker 2: tribute series. This is his suggestion for what he might
Speaker 2: say during one of those awkward promos. I'm Sabu and
Speaker 2: tonight I'm going to burn down this hotel. There's another
Speaker 2: good one here. I'm trying to find it again. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go out of order, but there's another
Speaker 2: really good one that someone hit us with. Let me
Speaker 2: see if I can find it, because it just didn't
Speaker 2: fit right here. Oh my god, it would fit right here.
Speaker 2: Uh oh not the guy who was on the elevator
Speaker 2: with Bronson Reid while he was holding Taco bell. This
Speaker 2: one from Zach. I'm Saboo and I approved this message.
Speaker 2: Nick Wright, speaking of Saboo's skin, I was front I
Speaker 2: think I know which of the two of us talked
Speaker 2: about his skin. Oh God, yeah, I was front row
Speaker 2: during an MLW event in Orlando. He wrestled in about
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. Hard to describe it, but its back
Speaker 2: was like a layer of jelly. Oh. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was built up scar tissue or what, but
Speaker 2: every inch was covered in some kind of scar or pockmark,
Speaker 2: and it looked like a distinct layer from his normal skin.
Speaker 2: It was a jig jelly like, disgusting mess. My friend
Speaker 2: slapped him in the back too hard when he hit
Speaker 2: the guardrail, and Sabo threw a shoot elbow back at him. Tremendous.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Western sab Andrew Wright's boss went where my
Speaker 2: head went. The table will soon be replaced by a
Speaker 2: digital table to cut costs and maximize shareholder value. That's right,
Speaker 2: that's right to that. I'm only telling the truth, Rob Wrights,
Speaker 2: You guys joke. But I was actually in an elevator
Speaker 2: once with Bronson Reid when he was holding a taco
Speaker 2: bell order. I just shot a New Japan show in DC.
Speaker 2: We were all back at the hotel and that was
Speaker 2: the only place nearby that was open. Even if there
Speaker 2: were other options. I think he would still I think
Speaker 2: so too, Rob just rack a taco bell. Jeff Cobb
Speaker 2: was also there. I'm sure he didn't have the cob salad. Okay,
Speaker 2: airy forma. Thank you very much for your pledge on Patreon.
Speaker 2: Welcome man Adam Asbourne. We really appreciate your support. Robert
Speaker 2: wants us to think about l A Night as the
Speaker 2: type of arc type can say that archtypical archetypal black
Speaker 2: t shirt bartender, go refill the lime wedges and flush
Speaker 2: the taps because it's ladies night. Picture him. I can
Speaker 2: picture him doing that kind of job.
Speaker 3: I really can.
Speaker 2: The only Night looks like a guy who is working
Speaker 2: in a restaurant in La hoping to get it apart.
Speaker 2: That's what he kind of looks like.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, listen, he's got He has got a fucking
Speaker 3: Manila envelope of headshots and resumes in his car.
Speaker 2: It just looks like one of those guys. I don't
Speaker 2: know why he does he does. He does. He does
Speaker 2: look like one of those guys. There's no question, can
Speaker 2: you say one, which is probably why it pisses me
Speaker 2: off off sometimes by looking at him, you know as
Speaker 2: much as I enjoy the guy, you know, there are
Speaker 2: elements that pissed me off about you. Tell me, Like
Speaker 2: one feature that he has that says that to you.
Speaker 3: His hair, his hair, and it's like his his his
Speaker 3: like his high forehead, like I just take is working
Speaker 3: the fucking at a bar or a restaurant, Like I
Speaker 3: can see him fucking waiting tables, rushing back and forth.
Speaker 2: Behind the bar. Is just like with a white towel
Speaker 2: like dry in the inside of a glass, you know,
Speaker 2: a cocktail glass.
Speaker 3: No question. The beard that like his his whole face
Speaker 3: is just is just bartender trying to be an actor.
Speaker 2: He's like he's he's like literally like posing in the
Speaker 2: catalog for the Martini glasses. You know, yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: our Ronaldi writes Sabu was a proud man who wouldn't
Speaker 2: compromise because he felt he was respecting a family tradition
Speaker 2: and ended up regretting not compromising because morals left him
Speaker 2: with no money and drugs. Sometimes in solar system has
Speaker 2: a way of summon it up man, and our SA
Speaker 2: tribute was certainly no exception. Andrew writes, the biggest lie
Speaker 2: we as wrestling fans tell ourselves is that the non extreme, safer, smarter,
Speaker 2: pro wrestlers have better health outcomes. It's a lie and
Speaker 2: we believe it, Yes, Carlo Stallion, pain and shame. Does
Speaker 2: the disease best express itself when we demand they die
Speaker 2: for our entertainment? Or when these brave men literally crawl
Speaker 2: through barb wire for their opportunity to die for our entertainment.
Speaker 2: Josh writes both the guy and the gimmick in the
Speaker 2: Ring with Rob Zikowski in ninety one, with the exact
Speaker 2: same guy and gimmick diving into barb wire in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. I'll never be a fan of the guy,
Speaker 2: but there's something remarkable about Sabu being stubbornly and unapologetically
Speaker 2: Saboo for over three decades. No matter which regime he
Speaker 2: was under, Vince couldn't even change him. William writes, Boss
Speaker 2: even mentioned it at one some point, But Sabu ended
Speaker 2: up as Randy the Ram. He didn't have anything left.
Speaker 2: His partner was gone, the paydays were gone, his health
Speaker 2: was gone. I don't know if he wanted to die
Speaker 2: that night, but I don't think he would have minded
Speaker 2: that much. The bloat makes me think of congestive heart failure.
Speaker 2: Which can lead to clots. I don't know. I'm left
Speaker 2: feeling so empty and shameful as a fan that we
Speaker 2: pushed these guys to do these things. He also says,
Speaker 2: Abyss absolutely tosses salad, tune a salad, salad, sam salad, seafood, salad,
Speaker 2: basically anything that is primarily mayonnaise chilled and sir, yes,
Speaker 2: oh my god, earn a bowl.
Speaker 3: That's what your sling. Okay, that's what's all about. That's
Speaker 3: what your slang.
Speaker 2: Paully dangerously comes from. Johnny dangerously, not the year of
Speaker 2: living dangerously. That's uh pointed out by Greg. We were
Speaker 2: wondering where that comes from. One day. We'll get to
Speaker 2: the bottom of it. Can we put Johnny Dangerously under
Speaker 2: the cinemat for any reason, um the nineteen eighty four film.
Speaker 2: Can we say that that's Paul Hammerson's character and just
Speaker 2: go with it. No. I don't know if he's ever
Speaker 2: admitted that or not. That's the problem. No, But if
Speaker 2: you took the if you took the name from that,
Speaker 2: I would I would I would qualify that. Joseph nubauerd
Speaker 2: thank you very much for the pledge. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Same to you, Robert Fenton. Welcome to the executive producer.
Speaker 2: To your colin, ask for killing it's a prit k
Speaker 2: fabe last name, Thanks very much. Brie writes, the Rick
Speaker 2: Rude in a cage thing kind of happened. We were
Speaker 2: wondering when going through Sabu's career. There was this listening
Speaker 2: of an ECW match Rick Rud was wrestling in a cage,
Speaker 2: and I just thought that was a mistake, because if
Speaker 2: Rick Rude had a match in ECW, I would remember,
Speaker 2: and it was technically a match. He was in there,
Speaker 2: as I remarked on X, dressed like the cameraman at
Speaker 2: a local TV station, and he had jeans and a
Speaker 2: sweatshirt tucked in with sneakers, and he just, Okay, if
Speaker 2: that's a match, it's just as much a match as
Speaker 2: Hulkogan's last match that we just talked about in the UK.
Speaker 3: But I guess you're right.
Speaker 2: I guess I now know where that comes from, the match,
Speaker 2: he writes with Sabo Arvidivus, Dreamer, Sandman and Rude turned
Speaker 2: on Dreamer and Sandman during the match. So we like
Speaker 2: to tie up loose ends on these feedback episodes if
Speaker 2: we can based on the episodes I've come before, so
Speaker 2: consider that one done. Wiretap eight oh four. Thanks for
Speaker 2: the cake, my friend Ross Mueller. We appreciate your support
Speaker 2: as well. Tim writs is someone who actually fixes broken jaws.
Speaker 2: The whole section from Saboo's book about the jaw fracture
Speaker 2: is the most horrifying thing I have ever heard. Absolutely
Speaker 2: not shocked in the least that he refractured it. Yes,
Speaker 2: we must not only consider the fractures of Saboo, boss,
Speaker 2: but the refractures terable toys. We know he means business,
Speaker 2: and he's putting that cake on the table, and we appreciate.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we talked about Taz going to youth sports
Speaker 2: in Jersey with a vest on and criticizing thes and
Speaker 2: the referees, and Gino, who's from the area, who I
Speaker 2: think we're going to see in New York, actually says
Speaker 2: I've witnessed grown men yelling at a high school kid
Speaker 2: ref because they weren't calling traveling in kindergarten age basketball. Taz,
Speaker 2: this conversation about youth sports is exactly my weekend conversation
Speaker 2: with my Jersey accent to Boot. We love it so
Speaker 2: much that we're on point like that. Bob Ross, thanks
Speaker 2: for the increase in pledge, my friend, we see you.
Speaker 2: Mike Wright. Shane Douglas was in WCW by summer ninety nine. Yes,
Speaker 2: we did get this twisted. We forgot. I forgot. I
Speaker 2: thought he came in when Russo and Bischoff combined in
Speaker 2: two thousand, but he was already in the company because
Speaker 2: he had did all the revolution Stable stuff with Ben
Speaker 2: Juan Malinko and all that in ninety nine as well,
Speaker 2: and he was rumored to go over with them in
Speaker 2: two thousand. Him and Conan were part of the group
Speaker 2: that was said to be looking for their release to
Speaker 2: go with the radicals. So thanks for that reminder there,
Speaker 2: Robbie O'Sullivan, thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the executive producer teer Anonymous, whoever you may be.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the cake. Marty f Thank you very much
Speaker 2: for the support in Clifford Rickabaugh, Thank you very much
Speaker 2: for your increase. Wayne Tyner. We appreciate the love and
Speaker 2: want to thank you very much. Boss Carl's writing in
Speaker 2: from Cape Town. We're going in a nationalis one damn
Speaker 2: right A Nambia, Namibia, whatever, infinitia Afghanistan. It's all here,
Speaker 2: this is from Cape Town. All right, here we go,
Speaker 2: dear coach chairs.
Speaker 3: I was delighted to see you tackle the history and
Speaker 3: legacy of Sabu and thought it was the perfect time
Speaker 3: to share my Sabu story as a wrestling fan in
Speaker 3: South Africa. Yes, as you understand wrestling. Watching wrestling at
Speaker 3: a precocious age is an addiction, a necessity. I gobbled
Speaker 3: up whatever I could find, even though it was only WWE.
Speaker 3: We had no WCW or ECW, and WWE pay per
Speaker 3: views aired seemingly at random. Shout out to my mom
Speaker 3: for taping the ninety seven Royal Rumble at six am midweek.
Speaker 3: We didn't get the after mags. My only source of
Speaker 3: information was WWE produced magazines, which arrived here several months
Speaker 3: after publishing Stateside. I was essentially blind. I recall Brett
Speaker 3: Hart just vanishing off TV. Same with Diesel and Razor.
Speaker 3: We I had no closure. I took what I could
Speaker 3: get and was grateful. ECW was a forbidden fruit that
Speaker 3: only existed in my imagination. In the early two thousands,
Speaker 3: I got regular access to the Internet, finally, a means
Speaker 3: to find the real hardcore wrestling with stuff that was
Speaker 3: too hot for our televisions. I recall vividly coming across
Speaker 3: an article describing the Born to Be Wired match, no video,
Speaker 3: only black and white photos. I was astonished. TLC at
Speaker 3: WRESTLINGA seventeen was my favorite match at that time, and
Speaker 3: this was a different and this was a different level.
Speaker 3: Who is sap Woo? How can you tip up a
Speaker 3: bicep and completely and complete a match?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on? I had so many
Speaker 3: questions with little means to answer them. I discovered file
Speaker 3: sharing and I needed extreme grappling. I can say with
Speaker 3: my hand on my heart, I spent more time looking
Speaker 3: for anything of Saboo than I did pornography. The point
Speaker 3: to the heavens, the mystique, the scars, by God, the scars.
Speaker 3: Who is this person? I still think he's one of
Speaker 3: the coolest wrestlers I've ever seen. His entire presentation was perfect.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to One Nightstand two thousand and five. I
Speaker 3: was eighteen and mesmerized with my first proper experience with ECW.
Speaker 3: I don't know about proper. Yeah, I know it's but
Speaker 3: it's the closest he got though. Yeah, it was actually
Speaker 3: a pretty faithful recreation of it. All the crowd, the
Speaker 3: Hayman promo, the violence. It was like discovering a new color.
Speaker 3: I'd never seen anything like it, and it was the
Speaker 3: first time I'd ever seen Sabu in motion. To this day,
Speaker 3: his quote style still tuxes me. The way he moved,
Speaker 3: the recklessness, the relentlessness. He had this single minded determination
Speaker 3: to hurt his opponent with his own body. Either you
Speaker 3: crumble to the mat or he does, and he is
Speaker 3: seemingly fine with either outcome. Homicidal, suicidal, genocidal perfectly captured
Speaker 3: his look and approach to wrestling. Even now, as I
Speaker 3: try to logically figure out what about Sabou captured my
Speaker 3: imagination so completely, I realize that it's much simpler than
Speaker 3: work rate or table spots or a cool entrance. I
Speaker 3: believe Sabo. I believed Sabo was real, real in the
Speaker 3: same way James Gandalfini and The Sopranos was real. This
Speaker 3: character only exists in this world on my television, and
Speaker 3: they are holy and completely committed to their world in
Speaker 3: a way that makes only sense to them. I cannot
Speaker 3: meet Sabu at a grocery store or on the train.
Speaker 3: He doesn't exist in my world as a person. He
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like I do, or hurt like I do,
Speaker 3: or have any of the same needs. He is Saboo,
Speaker 3: and he has committed to his interpretation of professional wrestling
Speaker 3: at the expense of everything and how he expresses himself
Speaker 3: in a match, even if it kills him in the
Speaker 3: wrestling industry. As the wrestling industry becomes more meta, wow,
Speaker 3: merta wow, isn't that the truth? Brother?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 3: Brother? Self referential and filled with shoot interviews and quote,
Speaker 3: here was what really happened. I yearned to allow myself
Speaker 3: to simply believe in the grappling without feeling like a
Speaker 3: fucking idiot. Yep, Sabu was one of the very few
Speaker 3: wrestlers where that was possible. Perhaps Terry Bronk was a
Speaker 3: casualty of this. Perhaps Terry Bronk should have never, never,
Speaker 3: should never have committed to his journey of self destruction.
Speaker 3: But he did, and the least I can do to
Speaker 3: honor it is be grateful for his commitment to his art.
Speaker 3: His art is sometimes revolting, but it's distinct. His performance
Speaker 3: at One night Stand in two thousand and five is
Speaker 3: very average. But I eventually got to heat Wave ninety
Speaker 3: eight in his tag with RVD against Gensation, Saki and Hyabusa.
Speaker 3: Sure whatever, Yeah, that's what I was former Hakushi Hayabusa
Speaker 3: and yeah shin Shinzaki. That was the first time where
Speaker 3: the character who captured my imagination from a young age
Speaker 3: and the person. That was the time where the character
Speaker 3: who captured my imagination from a young age and the
Speaker 3: person I'm watching on my television met on equal terms.
Speaker 3: Thanks for reading, Carl from Cape Town.
Speaker 2: It's stuff, man, that's a good email. That's kind of
Speaker 2: one I wish we tucked into the tribute itself. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we always say if you love a show, listen to
Speaker 2: the mailbag after it or a feedback segment after it,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of wonderful follow on from the
Speaker 2: Solar System, a lot of important clarifications of things we
Speaker 2: may have gotten wrong or not exactly right, and it
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Speaker 2: suburban Chicago. So listening to the memorial tour for the
Speaker 2: second time can confirm that as of May twenty nine,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, at three thirty Central Standard time, Nikita
Speaker 2: Kuloff's wang is still visible on Peacock version of Blade Kate.
Speaker 2: You might recall his dick comes out of his pants.
Speaker 2: They put the cock in Peacock's right ten years after
Speaker 2: JP first made mention, twenty four years after the table
Speaker 2: Library was purchased, in thirty nine years after original airing.
Speaker 2: How is that possible? Well, there it is, Boss.
Speaker 3: Oh, I like I enjoy having a little uh Easter
Speaker 3: egg out there for people to enjoy and indulge in
Speaker 3: indulge in another man's genitalia.
Speaker 2: I'm going to share this link with you later. Don't forget,
Speaker 2: but the homie Pedro and Lisbon wants us to know
Speaker 2: his first time writing to us, big fan from Portugal
Speaker 2: of a cultaholic article. Okay, he found this and immediately
Speaker 2: thought we should know about this if we don't know
Speaker 2: about it already. It's a wrestler who had gone missing,
Speaker 2: whose human marine remains were found very recently.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I I I've saved that article.
Speaker 2: He was an actor and wasn't Twilight of the Gods
Speaker 2: starring rock Huts qualify Boss Yeah, qualify, boss, absolutely, and
Speaker 2: I've I actually already did that kind of a brief
Speaker 2: little true crime around here.
Speaker 3: Kim. Oh yeah, we love that.
Speaker 2: God, thank God for under the Cinema. We love that ship.
Speaker 2: Everything's fair game. Oh, Matthew KEI.
Speaker 3: A whole fucking.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 3: See that that again that it's these it's these guys
Speaker 3: who I find the most fascinating, These people who had
Speaker 3: these careers and and this guy being fucking buried and
Speaker 3: just that ah, tremendous.
Speaker 2: Having just like this fleeting connection to wrestling makes it
Speaker 2: even more intriguing.
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: There was a speaking of Rock Hudson. He kind of
Speaker 2: qualifies for a few reasons, one of which is the
Speaker 2: next TA character by the name of Death we Live
Speaker 2: is Duke Hudson, right next T I think, so let's see, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's definitely a Rock Hudson kind of inspirationally inspired character. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I've always thought that's where his name came from. Uh,
Speaker 2: And they combined it with the Duke James Dean, right,
Speaker 2: they call John Wayne John Wayne. Sorry. Yeah, Bethew Key,
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Speaker 2: Christopher zell Er, thank you. For the cake. We uh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna put that to good use. Adam from Jersey City, dear,
Speaker 2: co chairman of the number one college podcast in the
Speaker 2: Solar System. I'm going back to the journeys who've authored
Speaker 2: over the years hashtag shelf life and found a true
Speaker 2: magic eight ball fuck skull moment on the memorial. At
Speaker 2: three fifty four to fifty four of the star K
Speaker 2: eighty nine Deep Dive, Jack and JP are talking about
Speaker 2: crooked referee numb Nick dumfuck Patrick and compare his blown
Speaker 2: call to a scene from Naked Gun. Boss then proceeds
Speaker 2: to say, we want to see a new Naked Gun
Speaker 2: starring Liam Neeson. Last four nine years and there's going
Speaker 2: to be a new Naked Gun with Cody Roads in it.
Speaker 2: No less right? Is it? Believe he's in it? Yes? Wow,
Speaker 2: that's funny starring Liam Neeson. Holy shit, Boss, you did
Speaker 2: it again, he writes, coming out this Friday. That's right,
Speaker 2: Yet were not? How funny that we read this email
Speaker 2: on the precipice. Yep, it even qualifies for under the
Speaker 2: cinemat since it features Cody Rhads. He writes. Anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: a long time LABS fan, have been following Jack since
Speaker 2: the shirt dog days remembered Haam TJ and Luffey, the
Speaker 2: triangle choke of MMA Radio. Even remember the origin of
Speaker 2: Brandon from New Jersey? Hey, Jack, do you remember Sean mccorky, Oh,
Speaker 2: I do? I remember that crazy word Smith from Indiana.
Speaker 2: Hilarious and one of the funniest fighters ever. Thank you
Speaker 2: for the years upon years of entertainment. Well, thank you, Adam.
Speaker 2: Great to hear from you. Well, anyone with a name McCorkle. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's great. Still automatic right there, Joe's still on these
Speaker 2: old ones. Yeah, he writes, you've infiltrated my life. Morning
Speaker 2: till night. I had to take the five to fifty
Speaker 2: am train for world famous Schomberg through suburban Chicago, Rosemont,
Speaker 2: and finally arriving in the city. I'm fairly certain Jim
Speaker 2: Barnett developed all his classy habits in downtown Chicago. Listening
Speaker 2: to the star K e eighty five cast for the
Speaker 2: fourth time, as I was crossing the river on Madison Street,
Speaker 2: the street made famous by the United Center because of
Speaker 2: Brett Nowen in a cage and maybe some basketball player
Speaker 2: from Flair Country, I came to a random comment regarding
Speaker 2: a weird Jake Roberts he caught on bray Wyatt in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen something about a condom and a sleep apney mask. Anyways,
Speaker 2: not the story. After JP moves on from the bizarre
Speaker 2: moment from the dark poet Laureate from Stone Mountain, I
Speaker 2: simply parsed my lips as if my mouth was dry,
Speaker 2: about to start a promo as an unconscious nod to
Speaker 2: Jake's teeth. Thanks JP for the amazing discovery. Well come
Speaker 2: to you for your quick Chicago wrestling primer that you
Speaker 2: didn't ask for. Thank you for giving me what I need. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not a problem. Joe Martin, great supporter out there. I
Speaker 2: believe in Scotland. He says he loves anytime the co
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Speaker 2: And uh, he wants he wants every Johnson a live call,
Speaker 2: every Johnson imagine to a retirement on live call. And
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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: William Wrights. I think they should have Otis be the
Speaker 2: spokesperson for Dude Wipes. Just some fat sweaty, hairy guy
Speaker 2: who you'd know has poor anal hygiene.
Speaker 3: May it like close ups of the of the hairs
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Speaker 3: and like all sorts of dirt and just vile things
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Speaker 2: They look they look all matted down even in his underwear. Horrible,
Speaker 2: just like you know, like layers of stuff oh on
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Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you, because the cast
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Speaker 2: the only reason we have subjected our ourselves to the
Speaker 2: aforementioned sleep deprivation and other sacrifices it takes to do
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Speaker 2: My man, he writes the long story, I'm a fifty
Speaker 2: eight year old got to be our oldest listener, fifty
Speaker 2: eight year old New Zealander wow, who first fell for
Speaker 2: wrestling in the mid seventies watching New Zealand's own on
Speaker 2: the mat. This would feature New Zealand hero such as
Speaker 2: Steve Recard, Samoan Joe with an n Yes Samoan Joe,
Speaker 2: and Mark Lewin taking on the likes of Robert the
Speaker 2: Bruce King, Curtis Ika and Don Morocco as part of
Speaker 2: the NWA their champions would also visit, none more feared
Speaker 2: than Hardly Race. Of course, my twin brother and I
Speaker 2: would spend hours practicing our wrestling every week when we
Speaker 2: weren't a brawling MMA style. In the eighties, the WWF arrived,
Speaker 2: wasn't on New Zealand TV, so we bought magazines and
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Speaker 2: hiring wrestle Mania one, not knowing the results. Hiring that
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Speaker 2: The pageantry, the size of the wrestlers and the arenas
Speaker 2: was a sight to behold. WWF was only available on PATV,
Speaker 2: but WCW was on free to air, so we watched
Speaker 2: Flair and Sting battle it out on random late night broadcasts.
Speaker 2: Over the years, I continue to be a fan, seeing
Speaker 2: WWF live in New Zealand Undertaker vers Angle versus Mark
Speaker 2: Henry main event, and also watching many independent shows seeing
Speaker 2: a very young Dakota Kai learned the ropes. I also
Speaker 2: passed the wrestling lore onto our son, who loved my
Speaker 2: old tapes and who at ten hit me with a
Speaker 2: flare chop so perfect that I had a handprint bruise
Speaker 2: for five days. These days, he's twenty five and a big, strong,
Speaker 2: lovely man. And when we me, my twin brother and
Speaker 2: son start to lapse. When our heroes faded Hogan Hart
Speaker 2: Michael's taker Flair, and when UFC arrived, instead of watching
Speaker 2: fake fights, we could watch real ones and they fought
Speaker 2: just like my brother and I did when we were kids.
Speaker 2: UFC led to Shirt Dog and TJ. My podcast addiction
Speaker 2: was born. I listened to all his Shirtdog shows and
Speaker 2: then backed him on Patreon on from day one for
Speaker 2: between rounds. When he stopped producing content, I contributed for
Speaker 2: a year to say thanks, then face the reality that
Speaker 2: I needed more, so I sampled TLF. At first, it
Speaker 2: was intimidating, a five to six hour podcast on a
Speaker 2: single event. What could they talk about for so long?
Speaker 2: But the research knowledge and sources and the boss's lore
Speaker 2: and impressions had me hooked. My wife noticed I was
Speaker 2: volunteering to do household chores. Hey, there's that thumbs up, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: There's that thumbs up, motherfucker. Yes, with a new enthusiasm
Speaker 2: as I listened to my weekly episodes, but I needed
Speaker 2: more and stopped being a freeloader. When you read my name,
Speaker 2: I punched the air with pride, pride that I was
Speaker 2: contributing in my own small way to something meaningful. So
Speaker 2: I worked my way through the back catalog, starting with
Speaker 2: the WrestleMania Journey, but the TLF Everest remained the trial
Speaker 2: of his life. I recently completed it and would suggest
Speaker 2: it should be preserved in the Smithsonian. It is an
Speaker 2: unmatched piece of journalism. So I wanted to write to
Speaker 2: thank you for all the work and all the joy
Speaker 2: you bring nekhon me. I think how you say it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Richard, well, thank you Richard. We're honored to have
Speaker 2: you as a listener. And thank you very much for
Speaker 2: the the vote of confidence. Christopher Queen, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for recently joining the Mote tier. That is a
Speaker 2: big time move from you. Stephen Jolly, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: We appreciate the support. We dropped spotlight on him, didn't we, Boss.
Speaker 3: Yes we did. We had to do it, Yes we did,
Speaker 3: and Scott was one of my one of my one
Speaker 3: of my crowning surprises. There are there there are a few,
Speaker 3: I would say I would say the the my favorites
Speaker 3: home alone. It's a wonderful Life, and spotlight. Wow, my
Speaker 3: three favorite surprises to drop on you. Electric, Yeah, truly
Speaker 3: electric Spotlight. I'm getting abused, he writes. That fucking cast
Speaker 3: has been to my ass for eight hours. He says,
Speaker 3: the spotlight. Yees, spotlight, it's win way. I'm getting abused
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Right now. This might be your finest work yet, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: he writes, Absolutely tremendous stuff. I really enjoyed getting to
Speaker 2: hear not only that run in from Glenn Cain, but
Speaker 2: that insight from Jack as well. I think the most
Speaker 2: important thing here was realizing that Jack's journey has taken
Speaker 2: us from a burger in the room to a muffin
Speaker 2: in the bathroom. Forgot about that because it really is
Speaker 2: all about food.
Speaker 3: It is, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: The homie Ben Blake has a request, and I think
Speaker 2: it's your turn to dissatisfy it. Have you ever heard
Speaker 2: of the Doctor SEUs book Fox and Socks.
Speaker 3: H No, I have not.
Speaker 2: I just sent you a link. Okay's a copy of
Speaker 2: said children's classic.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The simple request from an avid fan of for a
Speaker 2: long time who believes the show is second to none,
Speaker 2: even though he may be the only TLF fan in
Speaker 2: the world who doesn't care about wrestling. He wants the
Speaker 2: boss Man to do a great favor and to read
Speaker 2: Doctor SEUs is Fox and Socks and lapsed Vince's voice.
Speaker 2: On the next nail Bag episode.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go. We'll go back to the
Speaker 3: beginning here, We'll go to the top page. Here. Uh,
Speaker 3: Fox in Socks. This is a book you read aloud
Speaker 3: to find out just how smart your tongue is the
Speaker 3: first time you read it. Don't go fast. This fox
Speaker 3: is a tricky fox. He'll try to get your tongue
Speaker 3: in trouble. By the doctor. This is by a doctor
Speaker 3: Seuss says, here, take it slowly. This book is dangerous.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: Fox and Socks by doctor Seuss. Mm hmm. Fox Socks
Speaker 3: Box knocks Ville County, Knox in box. Well, I gotta
Speaker 3: change there we go Knocks in box, Fox in socks,
Speaker 3: knocks on, Fox in socks in box, socks on knocks
Speaker 3: and knocks in box, Fox in socks on, knocks on,
Speaker 3: box on.
Speaker 2: Knocks getting silly. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Chicks with with what Chicks with bricks, bricks, Chicks with
Speaker 3: blocks come brother, Chicks with bricks and blocks and clocks. Come, look, sir, look, sir,
Speaker 3: mister Knox, sir, let's do tricks with bricks and blocks, sir.
Speaker 3: Let's do tricks with chicks and clocks.
Speaker 2: Sir. First, I'll make a quick trick brick stack. Then
Speaker 2: I'll make a quick trick block stack. You can make
Speaker 2: a quick trick chick stack. You can make a quick
Speaker 2: trick clock stack. And here's a new trick, mister Knox.
Speaker 3: Socks on chicks and chicks on Fox, Fox on clocks
Speaker 3: on bricks and blocks, bricks and blocks on knocks on box. Well,
Speaker 3: now we come to ticks and talks, sir, so try
Speaker 3: to say this, mister Knox, sir, clocks on Fox, tick
Speaker 3: clocks on Knox talk six sick bricks tick six sick
Speaker 3: chicks talk, please, sir, I don't like this tricks or
Speaker 3: my tongue isn't quite quick or slick, Sir, I get
Speaker 3: all these ticks and clocks or mixed up with the
Speaker 3: chicks and talks. Er, I can't do it, mister Fox.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, mister Knox, Sir. Here's an easy game
Speaker 3: to play. Here's an easy thing to say. New socks
Speaker 3: twu socks whose socks sues socks.
Speaker 2: Mhm. Who sews whose socks? Sue sows Sue's socks? Who
Speaker 2: sees who Sue? Who sees who sow? Who's new socks? Sir,
Speaker 2: you see Sue, so sue new socks. That's not easy,
Speaker 2: mister foxer. Now who comes Crow comes? Brother?
Speaker 3: Slow Joe Crow comes who brother? Who sews crows clothes?
Speaker 3: Sue sews crows clothes slow? Slow Joe Crow sews whose
Speaker 3: clothes sues clothes? Mm hmm, I agree, slow Joe Crow
Speaker 3: sews knocks in box. Now so Sue sews rose on
Speaker 3: slow Joe Crow's clothes. Right, Fox sews hose on slow
Speaker 3: Joe crows nose, hose goes, rose grows, nose, hose goes some, crows,
Speaker 3: rose grows some. Mister Fox, I hate this game, sir.
Speaker 3: This game makes my tongue quite lame, Sir, mister Knox, Sir,
Speaker 3: what a shame, sir. We'll find something new to do.
Speaker 3: Now here is lots of new blue go now now
Speaker 3: goo blue goo gooey gooey blue goo now goo gloe
Speaker 3: gloey gooey goo for chewing, for chewy chewing. That's what
Speaker 3: that goo goose is doing. Do you choose to chew
Speaker 3: goo tooo, Sir? If Sir U Sir choose to choose
Speaker 3: her with the goo goose, choose do sir, mister Foxer,
Speaker 3: I won't do it. I can't say it. I won't
Speaker 3: chew it. Very well, sir, step this way, we'll find
Speaker 3: another game to play. Bim comes, Ben comes, Bim brings
Speaker 3: Ben Broom, Ben brings, Bim broom Ben, Ben's, Ben's broom, Bim,
Speaker 3: Ben's Ben's broom, BIMs benz, Ben's bens, Ben's Ben broom breaks,
Speaker 3: Bim's bent, broom breaks, Ben's band, Bim's band, big bands,
Speaker 3: pig bands, Bim and Ben lead bands with brooms, Bim's
Speaker 3: band bangs and Bim's band broom booms, big band, Boom band,
Speaker 3: big band Broomband my poor mouth can't say that, No, Sir,
Speaker 3: My poor mouth is much too slow.
Speaker 2: Sir. Well, then bring your mouth this way. I'll find
Speaker 2: it something it can say. Luke Luck likes lakes, Luke's
Speaker 2: Duck likes linkes, Luke Luck licks lakes, Luke's duck licks licks,
Speaker 2: Duck takes licks in lakes. Luke Luck likes Luke Luck
Speaker 2: takes licks in Lynx duck likes. I can't blab such
Speaker 2: blibber blubber. My tongue isn't made of rubber, mister Knox. Now,
Speaker 2: come now, come now, you don't have to be so dumb.
Speaker 2: Now try to say this, mister Knox. Flease through three
Speaker 2: cheese trees, three free fleas flu while these fleas flew
Speaker 2: freezy breeze, blue freezy breeze made these three trees freeze.
Speaker 2: Freezy trees made these trees cheese freeze. That's what made
Speaker 2: these three free fleas sneeze. Stot it, stot it.
Speaker 3: Now that's enough, sir, I can't say such subby stuff. Sir,
Speaker 3: very well, then, mister knoxer, let's have a little talk
Speaker 3: about tweetle beetles. What do you know about tweetle beetles. Well,
Speaker 3: when tweetle beetles fight is called a tweetle beetle battle.
Speaker 3: When they battle on a puddle, it's a tweetle beetle
Speaker 3: puddle battle. And when tweetle beetles battle with paddles in
Speaker 3: a puddle, they call it a tweetle beetle puddle paddle battle.
Speaker 3: And that notwithstanding, when when beetles battle beetles in a
Speaker 3: puddle battle. When beetles battle beetles in a puddle paddle battle,
Speaker 3: and the beetle battle puddle is a puddle in a bottle,
Speaker 3: they call this a tweetle beetle bottle puddle paddle battle muddle.
Speaker 3: And when beetles fight those these battles in a bottle
Speaker 3: with their paddles and their bottles on a poodle and
Speaker 3: the poodles eating noodles, they call this a muddle puddle
Speaker 3: tweetle poodle, beetle noodle bottle paddle battle, right, obviously, And
Speaker 3: now wait a minute, mister socks fox, When a fox
Speaker 3: is in the bottle where the tweetle beetle battle with
Speaker 3: their paddles in a puddle on a noodle eating poodle,
Speaker 3: this is what they call a tweetle beetle noodle poodle
Speaker 3: bottled paddled, muddled, duddled, fuddled waddled Fox in socks, Sir,
Speaker 3: Fox and socks, our game is dumb, sir, Thank you
Speaker 3: for a lot of fun, sir. Now you're now is
Speaker 3: your tongue numb? The end?
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, I was captivated fox and socks. I mean
Speaker 2: somewhere deep down.
Speaker 3: A fable by Doctor Seuss read by Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
Speaker 2: There's something ro co co about it. There's something very
Speaker 2: spirits consistent with Vince and what we Chris wants us
Speaker 2: to know. There is a phrase in soccer, if in doubt,
Speaker 2: kick it out. The wrestling equivalent is clearly if in doubt,
Speaker 2: hurt yourself. Adam, thank you very much for that executive
Speaker 2: producer level pledge. We appreciated Sam speaking of Saboo being
Speaker 2: generous and kind to younger wrestlers. I did Carney wrestler
Speaker 2: training for a couple of months in my youth. My
Speaker 2: trainer told us a story about having a match with
Speaker 2: Sabo in the nineties and Sabu called for a spot
Speaker 2: where he gives this guy a DDT off the top rope.
Speaker 2: The guy goes, yeah, but how the hell do you
Speaker 2: do that safely? I'm just gonna land in your chest
Speaker 2: off the top and Sabu says, just land on me.
Speaker 2: I'll take the impact. They do the spot and Sabu
Speaker 2: gets the wind knocked out of him. He didn't care.
Speaker 2: That was Saboo. I think it's actually a pretty good
Speaker 2: little salvation of the guy right there. Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 2: Dan Swartwoud thank you very much for your pledge. We
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Ryan writes, Lol, so JP really thought there
Speaker 2: was a possibility that Sabou was in that movie as
Speaker 2: a child and was already no as Saboo.
Speaker 3: Yes, there was like a split moment.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's good ship pals, split moment, split moment,
Speaker 2: just confirming. Ronnie Cathy, thank you very much for the pledge, Matthew,
Speaker 2: he says, interviews with people like Glenn are just gold
Speaker 2: loved it. Yeah, what a triumph that was. He was
Speaker 2: great so many ways. Adam B, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for the pledge. We deeply appreciate the sport. Alex Ali
Speaker 2: Wrights Dear Jack and JP. On the Final Class of
Speaker 2: the Champions episode, you mentioned that many w W themes
Speaker 2: were royalty free tracks from the Turner music Library. I
Speaker 2: work as a director for pre and postgame shows at
Speaker 2: a regional sports network. Hey now, and I've actually come
Speaker 2: across a few of those themes in our music library.
Speaker 2: One of my favorites is a track called slow Death.
Speaker 2: It's perfect for hockey highlights, especially when there's a big
Speaker 2: hit or a fight. I've requested it so often that
Speaker 2: our audio operators know toe save it. For those types
Speaker 2: of highlights. The wrestler we used slow Death during his career,
Speaker 2: one of the Lapsolar System's favorite bitter bitches. Hardcore Holly
Speaker 2: Wow or a s JP might call him hardcore Hollins
Speaker 2: your pal Ali, right, that's true. That's huge that we
Speaker 2: know the actual name and kind of genesis of that hardcore.
Speaker 3: His name is called, his name is the song's name
Speaker 3: is slow Death. Yes, yes, it is hilarious, pretty wild.
Speaker 3: Thanks for that.
Speaker 2: That's a very helpful color because I have heard it.
Speaker 2: I've heard that song everywhere, not just in WWF.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, remember we remember h the series finale of
Speaker 3: Hogan Knows Bad. Sure, yep, they play it when Hogan's
Speaker 3: driving up to see uh to see brook teeny.
Speaker 2: It's a great call. And they played it on Spike
Speaker 2: TV all the time when they would, like, you know,
Speaker 2: you finish watching one show and they would play a
Speaker 2: highlight for what's coming up or trailer for their in
Speaker 2: house stuff.
Speaker 3: But mom pun on mom doun on mom.
Speaker 2: Peg right, Lance heath Wall, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your pledge. Welcome to the VIP tier. Luthernoli just went
Speaker 2: all the way up to that mote tier. That's a
Speaker 2: thrill oli I have ever heard one. It's the mail
Speaker 2: bag of real solid ogs in the game, letting us
Speaker 2: know they're out there. Two for they're out there and
Speaker 2: they're ready to be of use to us. This one
Speaker 2: from Tony says, Hello, chairman, I've been enjoying your podcast
Speaker 2: for many years. I would love in some way to
Speaker 2: be able to contribute. I'm about ten years older than
Speaker 2: you guys, and I had the distinction of growing up
Speaker 2: as a wrestling fan in Allentown, Pennsylvania. Wow, we know
Speaker 2: what we can do with that?
Speaker 3: Is he a nasty boy?
Speaker 2: Oh? Related to the Nasties? The Sags's sister Raw The
Speaker 2: whole family came over. I actually grew up in Bethlehem,
Speaker 2: and nobody cares. It's all about the time spent in
Speaker 2: Agricultural Hall with my mom and my Portuguese neighbor who
Speaker 2: learned how to speak English by watching WWF wrestling. My
Speaker 2: mom used to take me and my friend Carlos to
Speaker 2: Agricultural Hall every three weeks to watch WWF tapings. If
Speaker 2: you ever need a perspective on the atmosphere of the
Speaker 2: aura and the abundance of white trash, I would be
Speaker 2: happy to eloquently express the time period and words for
Speaker 2: those who were not able to experience when it was better.
Speaker 2: Please let me know if I can contribute for an
Speaker 2: upcoming podcast. Well, you know what, pal, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'm sure at some point we're going to come across
Speaker 2: ag hol again and it's going to be on the table.
Speaker 2: We felt a certain urge to pilgrimage there when we
Speaker 2: went there for WrestleMania forty. We were there. We had
Speaker 2: to remember, we bought tickets to a fucking stamp show
Speaker 2: while walking with the old ladies so we could stomp
Speaker 2: where they used to tape. Tell oh my god, try
Speaker 2: to explain to them, and they're trying to explain to us, like,
Speaker 2: you know what this is right, there's nobody here who's
Speaker 2: less than sixty eight years old. Yeah, and it's like, well, actually,
Speaker 2: do you know wwfs in town. It's like just go,
Speaker 2: just go just that is horrible, horribly embarrassing that day.
Speaker 2: But remember that market over there, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there was some there were some interesting things
Speaker 3: there for sure going on.
Speaker 2: But Tony, you write it up, man. That's that's why
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure to signpost this during the
Speaker 2: mailbag episode. Just write up anything you remember. Just give
Speaker 2: us an essay of all the high points. Let us
Speaker 2: know not just that you were there, but what it
Speaker 2: was you saw there that you still remember to this day.
Speaker 2: And describe what it was like to go to those
Speaker 2: television tapings. Who did you always see? What was the
Speaker 2: crowd makeup?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What was it always the same people? What time of
Speaker 2: day was it? You know, what did you get to
Speaker 2: what did you get to eat? These are things we
Speaker 2: must know, just like how long? How long was it?
Speaker 2: How long was a full day? Exactly? How well could
Speaker 2: you hear the promo segments like the piper's pit stuff
Speaker 2: and all the things they set up in the back there?
Speaker 2: How would you get in and out? How would the
Speaker 2: wrestlers get in and out of the building? Did everybody
Speaker 2: know where to look for the wrestler's cars? Is all
Speaker 2: this stuff true that we used to hear that the
Speaker 2: heels you know, used to have their tires slashed and
Speaker 2: all that shit. Give it to us, you know what
Speaker 2: we need, Joe writes Mongo. Of course we did our
Speaker 2: Mango tribute used to do spots for a local gentleman's club.
Speaker 2: When he would just go champagne room. That's what he
Speaker 2: would just say over and over again. I spent hours
Speaker 2: trying to find it. Well, it's too bad that we
Speaker 2: didn't esc Thank you very much for your support and
Speaker 2: for champagne room. Yeah, the champagne room. That's where you
Speaker 2: go to be, you know, in private with the strippers
Speaker 2: and where the gagging happens. I won't say there. From
Speaker 2: who to who? Matt Anton Houston. He sent us a
Speaker 2: little bit of cheddar on PayPal, which we love to see,
Speaker 2: and a little note just to let it go down easy,
Speaker 2: He writes, I have a jar of fat under my sink.
Speaker 2: I pour oil into it after cooking to prevent my
Speaker 2: drain clogging up. Occasionally bits of food end up in there,
Speaker 2: swimming around. It has a centimeter layer of white hardened
Speaker 2: fat on top. The smell is immense. This is how
Speaker 2: I imagine Dusty's nether regions. Durnada wants us to know
Speaker 2: that there were one male rats, at least in Philly
Speaker 2: during the ecw Ring of Honor days. The Special k
Speaker 2: Faction had quite a few of them. So there you go.
Speaker 2: You're asking about male rats before.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember, I remember.
Speaker 2: Bud Stefan Heenan. Always appreciate your sport. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Rob Williams, thanks for the increase in sport. Really appreciated
Speaker 2: Jordan's Capecchi. Thank you very much for always putting down
Speaker 2: the chutter that makes the difference. Zach puts it well
Speaker 2: on on Spotlight. Lots of parallels between wrestling and the
Speaker 2: territory days and the American Catholic Church moving priests around
Speaker 2: to get their shine back. One territory parish to the next.
Speaker 2: Has no knowledge of a fresh, new, baby faced priest
Speaker 2: coming to town. Unfortunately though the priests they considered altar
Speaker 2: boys their ring rats. Yeah, it's it's it's it's similar.
Speaker 2: There's some truth, similar lifestyles, similar lots in life. Tim Lee,
Speaker 2: thank you for the pledge. Christian Holister, of course, always
Speaker 2: rock solid. Who are you playing with? Wresselmania nine Hulk?
Speaker 2: I got no, I got uh, I got two gloops here,
Speaker 2: I got Sid and Luger. It's a good match. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: We have the pain great hip tosses. The great hip
Speaker 3: hip tossing is a great thing. Is a great thing
Speaker 3: to keep to keep. Uh uh, you know when the
Speaker 3: wee hours start, the wee hour start Yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 3: Hip hip tossing, hip tossing a drill?
Speaker 2: You got a drill? Yeah, you have to right, got
Speaker 2: to make sure they're on point for when the lights
Speaker 2: are on the brightest. Right, do you know we have
Speaker 2: the pink sid? What we have the pink sid? We
Speaker 2: have the pink sid. Where I'm looking at it right now?
Speaker 2: What during one of our hauls and whoever it was
Speaker 2: it got it for us is going to remember this?
Speaker 2: It was hidden inside of another gift. What I just
Speaker 2: found it a little while ago. Oh my god, tell
Speaker 2: in your way. Holy shit, those who are what we're
Speaker 2: talking about? W W glube I think uk exclusive there
Speaker 2: was a sid instead of the black singlet. He has
Speaker 2: a pink singlet. He has a pink singlet. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: wild Bonanza. Those are crazy, I know. So thanks to
Speaker 2: whoever that was. I'm sure we failed to shout them
Speaker 2: out appropriately during the unwrappening because we didn't see it.
Speaker 2: These these motherfuckers hide things. They only get us too much.
Speaker 2: They hide stuff that's wild. Josh writes, this discussion is
Speaker 2: so old and nobody's gonna read.
Speaker 3: This, but I'm surprised. What I was surprising is that nobody. Yeah,
Speaker 3: reached back out said hey and said, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 3: I don't think we noticed it.
Speaker 2: No, I would have noticed that. I would have noticed
Speaker 2: that for sure, because I love those. I love those
Speaker 2: regular but I still have you know, I love them,
Speaker 2: the the big Josh one that I have. Yeah, fucking
Speaker 2: it's Josh. Yeah, that's what happens when we go and
Speaker 2: wax poetically about you know, long lust and rare figures,
Speaker 2: They're gonna end up in our fucking hands. Yep, Josh writes,
Speaker 2: this discussion is so old and nobody is going to
Speaker 2: read this. But regarding ECW's belt designs, remember we talked
Speaker 2: a lot about the ECW belt designs during the Sabage views.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The classic ic and wind Eagle designs were owned by
Speaker 2: Reggie Parks. He retained the rights to produce them at
Speaker 2: well for anybody who wanted to buy them. He was
Speaker 2: even able to sell one to one repros of contemporaneous
Speaker 2: WWF belts as long as he did include the WWAF
Speaker 2: logo on any of the plates. Territories on a budget
Speaker 2: who wanted real belts but couldn't afford Holy Custom Designs
Speaker 2: would buy from Reggie by picking an existing design, similar
Speaker 2: to the way Flash Art works with budget tattoos. The
Speaker 2: high quality replicas that Dufises walk around with it wrestling
Speaker 2: shows didn't quite exist yet. I think it would be
Speaker 2: another two or three years until those figures inc. Replica
Speaker 2: belts started selling. Yes, so that's why the ECW Television
Speaker 2: Championship looked like the Wing Deegal WWF title because you
Speaker 2: know they ordered from Reggie Parks without the WWF logo
Speaker 2: on it, and there you.
Speaker 3: Go, that's just funny. Why would you, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 3: My question though, really is okay, why though? Why would
Speaker 3: you choose that belt? Right? That is so recognizable? Because
Speaker 3: I mean it is the remind me, is the ECW
Speaker 3: logo on that belt? Yes?
Speaker 2: So it was made, it was custom made with that design.
Speaker 2: Why would you choose that design? Questions?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I don't understand the options because it's so recognizable, and
Speaker 3: it also just it's like it also doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: a TV title belt either, Like you know, if you're gonna,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna go with that far to buy the
Speaker 3: same design and put the ECW logo on it, why
Speaker 3: don't you just make it the world belt?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I agree, it's kind of weird that that
Speaker 2: was the flagship title their Their world title was always
Speaker 2: kind of weird to me. Yeah, because I always think
Speaker 2: of the nineteen ninety nine to one. I don't think
Speaker 2: of the one that was there when, like the one
Speaker 2: Terry Funk one, which is basically the ic title. Yeah,
Speaker 2: template right, I always think of the the one that
Speaker 2: had like the barber cage on it, like the fence
Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, for the tail end days, but right
Speaker 2: right when they when they actually made extreme looking belts, right,
Speaker 2: and the toys and everything. Colin writes, here are some
Speaker 2: rules I have come up with for keeping the titles important.
Speaker 2: Speaking of titles and preventing guys from slipping down the
Speaker 2: card and losing steam. I e.
Speaker 3: L A.
Speaker 2: Night one, If you were a former world champion, you
Speaker 2: should never again hold or challenge for the ic US title.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that? Boss? Yes? I agree, at
Speaker 2: least until that's what killed Chris Jericho. He gets the
Speaker 2: role title and then we're all reminded, well, we didn't
Speaker 2: really mean that he's icy title for a.
Speaker 3: Life, right, unless unless.
Speaker 2: They make a guy make a guy.
Speaker 3: Right, But you know, again, unless you got the guy
Speaker 3: going down you know, unless they're on their way out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would still find you know, because then
Speaker 2: well because then you can use them to build somebody up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: build up a challenger, but not the champ. They don't
Speaker 2: have the challenge for the belt, but they can help
Speaker 2: set up the next challenger for the belt. Yeah, I guess,
Speaker 2: I guess that's true. I like that rule a lot,
Speaker 2: just over time. I think it'll pay dividends, even if
Speaker 2: it creates inconveniences along the way to only put the
Speaker 2: icy US title on some and if you have semi
Speaker 2: concrete plans to make them world champion, bringing a third
Speaker 2: lower to your belt if need be, icy belt needs
Speaker 2: to hold more prestige, it should be the penultimate step,
Speaker 2: not the first. I like that rule too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's why they guess why the US
Speaker 3: title exists, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Three. I've always thought that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The European title they kind of made it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those I always liked that as being kind of
Speaker 3: a like I like there being steps. I like there
Speaker 3: being multiple steps, yes, to work up your your your
Speaker 3: singles credibility. This one is for fun number three to
Speaker 3: add more prestige the IC belt on one night a year,
Speaker 3: the IC champion can surrender the belt in exchange for
Speaker 3: a shot at the World champ one month notice, no
Speaker 3: cash ins. However, if they lose, they cannot challenge for
Speaker 3: any belt for a year. I think those kind of
Speaker 3: stipulations are great, Yeah, I do. I think those are
Speaker 3: very those are those are I think it's it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's certainly hard in professional wrestling, given that it's fake
Speaker 3: and you're trying to you know, you don't know where
Speaker 3: your guys are going to be in a year, you know,
Speaker 3: No matter how much you plan ahead, you really don't
Speaker 3: know you know who's going to be over in a year,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's hard to plan that, you know,
Speaker 3: because let's say, let's say you have the the Intercontinental.
Speaker 3: You have that you have someone cashing the Interconnental belt, sure,
Speaker 3: and for a world title shot, right kind of what
Speaker 3: didn't they do that in TNA? Yeah, the title? Right,
Speaker 3: So you turn in that belt, you go for it,
Speaker 3: but you lose. But then all of a sudden, within
Speaker 3: that year, that guy who lost becomes the hottest guy
Speaker 3: in the company. Then it's like, well shit, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure you can write a storyline to
Speaker 3: kind of to get your way out of it.
Speaker 2: But it it. It's it seems like it's a lot
Speaker 2: of work, but I like the idea. I wonder if
Speaker 2: there's a way to do it that would actually that
Speaker 2: would be more I don't know how would you say it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, like that you could do it without kind
Speaker 2: of booking yourself into a corner. Yeah. I think what
Speaker 2: I like about those year things is like, you know,
Speaker 2: even if something happens, the guy leaves, the guy's hurt,
Speaker 2: just don't do it. But if everything's good to do
Speaker 2: it within the year and that year is coming up,
Speaker 2: that's a great dramatic kind of thing to Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: kind of the money to being cash and clock ticking,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true too, That is true.
Speaker 2: I like having that out there and for one fucking
Speaker 2: world champion, Amen, one fucking world that one upper car champion,
Speaker 2: icy belt, one lower car champion, I have to say,
Speaker 2: is someone that's you know, a stickler for world icee
Speaker 2: and tag. I do kind of see what he's going
Speaker 2: for there with that second secondary.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's great. I always liked
Speaker 3: having it. Yeah, you know, like having it having a
Speaker 3: TV title or you know, like a US title. You know.
Speaker 3: I also like the idea of the division of it all.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, you're the champion of the US, so
Speaker 3: you've you're conquering that essentially that region of the world,
Speaker 3: and then you you know, you become the Intercontinental champion
Speaker 3: after that, like you know, after you lose that belt,
Speaker 3: you know you, I mean, what what could be interesting? Again?
Speaker 3: This would be crazy hard. This would be a lot
Speaker 3: easier if you were running a legitimate sports league. But
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, so you you win the US title.
Speaker 3: Whenever you lose the US title, you are now in
Speaker 3: the Intercontinental division. Okay, now you have to go for
Speaker 3: the US belt. But if the Intercontinental belt, but if
Speaker 3: you lose the Intercontinental belt, you go back to the
Speaker 3: US title division, right, and you're gonna build your way
Speaker 3: back up again. I don't know, it's.
Speaker 2: All it's compound. I can see validity there as long
Speaker 2: as the fans believe that it's a stepping stone.
Speaker 3: But again, the idea is that that that is like,
Speaker 3: how do you That's a lot to keep track of
Speaker 3: it in terms of you know, fictional wrestling.
Speaker 2: And I heard some good suggestions to fired at US
Speaker 2: since we've broached this topic of like, maybe all you
Speaker 2: do is make the last month's worth of matches relevant
Speaker 2: to your standing. You know, they start do rankings you
Speaker 2: don't have to do since the inception of your time
Speaker 2: in the company, you know, or your all time wrestling record.
Speaker 2: You can just make the recent run the only relevant one,
Speaker 2: you know, the recent comparative records. So these guys go
Speaker 2: on a little bit of a streak before suddenly getting
Speaker 2: a title shot instead of getting a title shot because
Speaker 2: the last paper you just ended, and on the next
Speaker 2: TV the champion comes out and says, who else is
Speaker 2: it going to be? And then the first person to
Speaker 2: walk out somehow gets a title shot. That's just suboptimal,
Speaker 2: to say the least. Ac Slater want to thank you
Speaker 2: very much for the increase to the mote tier. We
Speaker 2: really appreciate all that support. I want to give a
Speaker 2: big shout out to Andy. Andy put a book out.
Speaker 2: We talk about how one of our proudest moments is
Speaker 2: t left coach. Heers just when we inspire folks to
Speaker 2: create and he read it. He says, about a month ago,
Speaker 2: sent you a link to a book you inspired me
Speaker 2: to put together. It's called slantastic stupidity, The Unknown Critics
Speaker 2: blistering commentary on Pro Wrestling's one one hundred most outrageous gimmicks,
Speaker 2: and upon publishing the book, I quickly you realize that
Speaker 2: while yes, I did dedicate the book to the lapsed fan,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, that one sentence line was not nearly sufficient
Speaker 2: enough to show proper gratitude to the cast. In the
Speaker 2: years of enjoyment it has given me, I still remember
Speaker 2: almost losing it on a flight to Des Moines while
Speaker 2: listening to JP's run Gan imitation during the Ahwa Journey,
Speaker 2: or spinning up my protein drink at the gym wall
Speaker 2: you hilariously dissected the fall of WCCW, or that last
Speaker 2: Colisseum home video, or JP's Andre the Giant Impression, which
Speaker 2: always gets me. Moments like these and many more deserve
Speaker 2: much more thoughtful recognition and book form, which brings me
Speaker 2: in my latest project, the eleventh book in the series,
Speaker 2: called The Unknown Critic presents Enhancement Talent, a glorious tribute
Speaker 2: to Pro Wrestling's job guys and mike men, historical comedy
Speaker 2: book profiling over one hundred jobbers and thirty commentators, many
Speaker 2: well probably all of whom you have roasted on the
Speaker 2: show in one way or another. In this book, I
Speaker 2: built in an expanded mini book midbook chapter called the
Speaker 2: Lapsed Legends, How the Lapsed Fan Podcast enhances wrestlers forgotten stories,
Speaker 2: weaving in the overall theme of talent enhancement, and how
Speaker 2: the cast does this like no other. I also reference
Speaker 2: the cast in a number of other parts of the book,
Speaker 2: because really, this book book, more than Slantastic Stupidity, is
Speaker 2: the definitive work on wrestling Jobbers, a true love letter
Speaker 2: to the lost art of jobbing, something now mostly forgotten
Speaker 2: in a Neira gone by, never to return. No other
Speaker 2: podcast aside from yours, even mentions jobbing, hence included. Including
Speaker 2: a lapsed fan tribute in this one was a no brainer.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Is there an audience for this
Speaker 2: book outside of the TLF solar system. Highly unlikely, as
Speaker 2: girl La Monsoon might say, I've sold highly unlikely, brain,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Unless there is a that's perfect, that's
Speaker 2: exactly what he's going for. Unless there's an audience somewhere
Speaker 2: curious about the career arcs of guys like Jerry Monty,
Speaker 2: Italian Stallion, Bob Cook and other Legends of Laying Down.
Speaker 2: It will probably get lost in the Amazon shuffle. I frankly,
Speaker 2: I don't care, though, because it was so damn fun
Speaker 2: to put together, and it gives proper praise to the
Speaker 2: Lapsed Fan. It's the kind of book I would want
Speaker 2: to read as a fan of wrestling in the eighties,
Speaker 2: as many, if not all, of the job guys I
Speaker 2: put in the book are more interesting than today's main
Speaker 2: event talent. And some of these jobbers even wrote books
Speaker 2: that you might want to hunt down for additional cast fodder.
Speaker 3: Hope, hope he did a tribute to Philipolo Philip.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's in there. I can't say for sure, but
Speaker 2: we definitely appreciate the acknowledgment that the Lapsed Fan provides
Speaker 2: fuel to so many wrestling fires out there. And Andy,
Speaker 2: best of luck with the book, and we hope that
Speaker 2: by flagging it here for the Solar System we get
Speaker 2: some eyeballs on it. Gordon wants us to know I
Speaker 2: was absolutely hysterical, my god, he writes, I was in
Speaker 2: the gym trying to work out with TLF in my ears,
Speaker 2: Dusty finding crumbs in his folds. Dusty has more rolls
Speaker 2: than Ben Dusty folds eighty Dusty's mammary glands. He sweats
Speaker 2: chicken stock, bringing out his arm over a pot.
Speaker 3: Let's imagine, you know, the the flabby you know, he's
Speaker 3: got like flabby arms. Come on and just stop hangs
Speaker 3: around there and it's like the you know, rip drip drips.
Speaker 3: Oh Christ, you know you have to he likes to.
Speaker 3: He likes to hang his arm over a pot so
Speaker 3: he can just drip the chicken stock.
Speaker 2: Well, it says right here, ladling hot tub soup because
Speaker 2: he being oh good lord, it just kept going. I
Speaker 2: had take a five minute break. Amazing work. Keep it up.
Speaker 2: That's the brilliance, Gordon, is that's considered work, you know, yes, right,
Speaker 2: if that's good work, and then let it lung continue, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I want to thank the anonymous gentleman who joined the
Speaker 2: executive producer tear We see You. Rob wants us to
Speaker 2: know whether it used to be a production assistant. At
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers game. He mostly did nothing during the
Speaker 2: game itself, but got to listen to the booth in
Speaker 2: the headsets. This is part of our discussion around adding
Speaker 2: crowdsweetening noise and how it's such a pro wrestling trick.
Speaker 2: But of course it's not, of course not. Of course,
Speaker 2: the whole world resembles pro wrestling way more than we realize. Yes,
Speaker 2: Rob writes, if the crowd was down, they'd be like
Speaker 2: throw the noise meter or whatever their version of it
Speaker 2: was called up there, And I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was a shoot, but there would be times where it
Speaker 2: didn't peak at the end. This is where they show
Speaker 2: that little uh thing in the corner during WWP at
Speaker 2: least so stupid still, they pretty much just never wanted
Speaker 2: a second of dead air. So that's why you do it,
Speaker 2: is to get the crowd up during moments where they're
Speaker 2: kind of down. I say, wdwe doesn't really use it
Speaker 2: that way. They don't like show it when people are
Speaker 2: being quiet. But it is funny and interesting to me,
Speaker 2: how how gotten to even NFL franchises are about a
Speaker 2: lack of appropriate enthusiasm Like who cares? Exactly? Why do
Speaker 2: they care? Why does it even cross their mind?
Speaker 3: Like if it's good, it's a good game, Like isn't
Speaker 3: that what fucking matters? Like, Oh, we're producing entertainment show
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: No, you're not.
Speaker 3: No, stop you know what when I'm when I'm watching
Speaker 3: a football game, I don't care about the crowd there.
Speaker 3: I care about the Patriots winning.
Speaker 2: It is true, though, when I watched when I watch
Speaker 2: an NFL Sunday game, like, there is this kind of
Speaker 2: phony sound the whole time, it's like an echoey and
Speaker 2: I always just chalk that up to the you know,
Speaker 2: the structure and nature of NFL stadiums. But I could
Speaker 2: also see a lot of it being just like totally forced.
Speaker 2: And I'm not suggesting they put fake crowd noise in there,
Speaker 2: but the idea that they have to like rile the
Speaker 2: crowd up for the television cameras and not for the team.
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird, but it happens. Sam wants us
Speaker 2: to know that Bullion of the Woods had him in
Speaker 2: tears going down the freeway. Damien Thorn, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for your executive pure.
Speaker 3: You're ready for this, by the way, you know, you
Speaker 3: know what's you know what it's gonna be excited. Uh
Speaker 3: NFL preseason starts.
Speaker 2: That's fucking That was part of my question about pumpkin spice. Yep,
Speaker 2: well that's going on now. I'm ready, I'm ready. Give
Speaker 2: it to me William Murphy. Please thank you very much
Speaker 2: for joining the EP tier. Christopher writes me, Man, I'm hungry.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to have lunch. It's gonna be great, boss.
Speaker 2: During the dusty tangent of this episode, sweat and feces
Speaker 2: and denim. Oh because he's fucking Oh because he's eat
Speaker 2: the fucking burritos and droplets of urine O me, Chris Wrights, Well,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm never eating again. Clash the Champions, baby
Speaker 2: find it. No no, no underwear. That's what it was
Speaker 2: because he wears no underwear, doesn't when he just fucking
Speaker 2: freeballing it all right with just just sweaty ass that
Speaker 2: from our coverage of the final WCW Clash of the
Speaker 2: Champions in nineteen ninety six. Slammy Awards eighty six Part two.
Speaker 2: Corey comes in as always with the fact checking the
Speaker 2: masked wrestler in the Land of a Thousand Dances mister
Speaker 2: X the you know the music video that they produced
Speaker 2: for the wrestling.
Speaker 3: Album Yeah Stupid.
Speaker 2: Yes, he wants us know that was none other than
Speaker 2: Danny Davis and Bear. Dario is also in the heel
Speaker 2: crowd for long, and he also points out that we
Speaker 2: credited George Wells as being in the video, but that
Speaker 2: was actually special Delivery Jones. So there you go.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2: For the sake of clarification, Rob asks, how is Dragon
Speaker 2: the part of Ultimo Dragon's name that Dusty had a
Speaker 2: hard time saying.
Speaker 3: Dragone because he likes to drag on.
Speaker 2: Right, That's for sure? Is absolutely case, Pap writes. Boss
Speaker 2: said Mickey Rooney instead of Mickey Wark when talking about
Speaker 2: slinging egg salad? Did I say, Mickey, it's funny and
Speaker 2: that metal image is funny to me on a level
Speaker 2: that is indescribable.
Speaker 3: Mickey Rooney eggs salad is a great visual honestly, because
Speaker 3: I picture I picture cranky Mickey Rooney from uh like
Speaker 3: Night of the Museum, Yes, where he's just fucking miserable
Speaker 3: and just that's and fucking throwing eggs salad at it
Speaker 3: at different customers.
Speaker 2: Of course, that final Clash of the Champion episode was
Speaker 2: a tribute to Steve Manga McMichael, who just passed away,
Speaker 2: and he wins the US title on that show. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty much as crowning pro wrestling achievement such as it was,
Speaker 2: and the homie butt stuff and Heenan wanted us to
Speaker 2: know a Patreon. This is why I suggested the show.
Speaker 2: I knew you guys would go above and beyond and
Speaker 2: paying tribute to Mongo. You guys know how to honor
Speaker 2: wrestlers and ways other podcasts don't. I'm not saying that
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Speaker 2: months on cid uty and looked at his life from
Speaker 2: all different angles. Who the fuck else would do that?
Speaker 2: This is why you two are the best at this.
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Speaker 2: a sore disappointment. Yep, We've got a big fish to fry, brother,
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Speaker 2: ready for consumption. Logan's just realizing Blazing Saddles could count
Speaker 2: for under the cinemat because of Steve McMichael. He got
Speaker 2: the nickname Mango from a character in the movie.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Well, it qualifies anyway.
Speaker 2: Because Alex Carris, Because Alex Carris, So that's taking care
Speaker 2: of it's there, Brian Blake. Actually it was quick to
Speaker 2: point that out, and so I'm glad you did as well.
Speaker 2: You know, Alex Carris Jesus Christ to a whole series
Speaker 2: on the fucking Webster TV series. Oh Webster, I remember Webster. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I fascinating because he was the dad on that. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, you talk to dad. We did the Final
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Speaker 2: nWo comes in the ring and stings crow Lands on
Speaker 2: the ropes. Jeff writes, as a teenager, I think this
Speaker 2: was the turning point that really made me question the
Speaker 2: point of the obnoxious nWo gimmick, which is getting pretty
Speaker 2: lame now. But I figured, well, I suppose it'll be
Speaker 2: worth it when they get there as such youthful naivete
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Speaker 2: that recent increase in pledge. Neil. Notice out there in
Speaker 2: the wild, we gave some some shout outs, some nods
Speaker 2: of respect to the ww Vault. Earlier, he found an
Speaker 2: article on the Verge with a quote that says this,
Speaker 2: like WWE's primary YouTube channel, some videos posted to the
Speaker 2: Vault will eventually disappear. Why exactly? And that's where you
Speaker 2: lose me. Whatever exclusivity you think is in there, whatever
Speaker 2: you think you can sell or whatever the fuck like,
Speaker 2: there needs to be a permanent home where we as
Speaker 2: fans can know we have access. And I'm not just
Speaker 2: saying that because we do a podcast blah blah blah. No,
Speaker 2: I'm saying that because that's where the money is for
Speaker 2: you guys and for everybody, is having people pony up
Speaker 2: to have access to the Vault, irrespective of what other
Speaker 2: side deals you might cut to license it out. The
Speaker 2: Vault does not need to be exclusive. The Vault is not,
Speaker 2: you know, the streaming service should not care that there's
Speaker 2: more than one way to get the archives, if the
Speaker 2: archives are such an afterthought like you always seem to
Speaker 2: tell us they are, right, right, If nobody subscribes to
Speaker 2: Peacock or the network for the old old stuff, and
Speaker 2: nobody watches the old stuff, then why does that stuff
Speaker 2: need to be exclusive and shopped around as an exclusive
Speaker 2: packaged all the platforms? Why can't it be in three
Speaker 2: places at once?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Why can it be on Peacock and Netflix? Exactly?
Speaker 3: If nobody cares?
Speaker 2: Exactly, give me a fucking break. Now, Now, when when
Speaker 2: is When is the Peacock thing shutting down? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean that they're in negotiations soon. I think it's
Speaker 2: up in twenty twenty six, the deal, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: I mean, who takes the pay per views? You know?
Speaker 2: How does that shake out?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Does Netflix go for it?
Speaker 3: But and then isn't uh isn't what happens to the
Speaker 3: you know, the archive?
Speaker 2: Im That's what I personally read in the ramping up
Speaker 2: of this vault thing. Yeah, was them just basically saying
Speaker 2: we'll just put it all on YouTube, which I think
Speaker 2: is brilliant. I think it's a great idea and YouTube
Speaker 2: has now structured such that you can have our subscription
Speaker 2: to see it. The thing is, though, what I'm we're
Speaker 2: so annoying though about it is and what I do listen,
Speaker 2: I do love it. I do.
Speaker 3: I love the archive, but they don't put on enough
Speaker 3: full things. I don't I don't know. I just I
Speaker 3: don't care about matches nibbling at the edges. I wish
Speaker 3: they would never. I wish they would stop putting matches
Speaker 3: up there like that to me is not interesting, Like
Speaker 3: I mean, I know interesting right like this, like the
Speaker 3: Sunday Night Slam thing they put up there, like that's
Speaker 3: fucking amazing. Put those up, you know, like those are
Speaker 3: things that you're not going to be able to find,
Speaker 3: you know, not don't necessarily put up every single WrestleMania
Speaker 3: yet until we can't get it anymore. But like put
Speaker 3: up put up these random things that they didn't they
Speaker 3: never put up on the on the network, you know,
Speaker 3: home videos and and but like I don't care about
Speaker 3: these matches, like I don't care about fucking you know,
Speaker 3: Steve in RNL and Neville over else start us and
Speaker 3: King Barrett. Yeah a summer twenty fifteen, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Now they you know, as much credit as we give them,
Speaker 2: they still haven't taken the most basic suggestion, which is
Speaker 2: you have to do chronologically complete years. You have to,
Speaker 2: there's no other way to do it and maximize the
Speaker 2: value of that content. You have to be the viewer.
Speaker 2: The customer has to be able to say, here's everything
Speaker 2: in the network from nineteen eighty four across all promotions.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: It used to be somewhat structured like that in the
Speaker 2: network days, though. You had to go collection to collection,
Speaker 2: which was, you know, not ideal, but that's what you
Speaker 2: have to do. And any other way you want to
Speaker 2: chop and dice it up to make it all bite
Speaker 2: sized social content, jerk me off, whatever the fuck, you
Speaker 2: can go and do that, but the whole show has
Speaker 2: to rest somewhere if you really want to make the
Speaker 2: most money you can off this thing. And I'm not
Speaker 2: going to accept anything less. Yep, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: pretend these half measures from the are the full measure
Speaker 2: because we had it already. We had the full access
Speaker 2: to just about everything they had. So don't tell me
Speaker 2: it's not possible and not worth it. You already did it.
Speaker 2: It's there. It's done, it's digitized. Where is it? Where
Speaker 2: is it? And why is it at my fingertips right now?
Speaker 2: God damn assholes, It also says in this Verge article,
Speaker 2: as John Cena continues his final year of entering action
Speaker 2: for the company, a collection like the one below is
Speaker 2: guaranteed to rack up views. The edit is really raw
Speaker 2: and it's not a full in and out of each moment.
Speaker 2: Bray Band said, this is brave. Band must be someone involved.
Speaker 2: So we're hoping that sits on the channel for a
Speaker 2: while as Sena does this last run. So which videos,
Speaker 2: Neil asks will disappear? Brother, Yeah, exactly, exactly, yep. Amard
Speaker 2: asks wanted to post a question of the co chairs
Speaker 2: in the community. Has Roman now surpassed Sina? That's what
Speaker 2: in terms of impact stardom um? He says, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of kids whow up in the two thousands who
Speaker 2: think seen as the goat, which is a nonsensical opinion.
Speaker 2: The hill turn was way too late, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: we can blame Vince for that. Up until about twenty ten,
Speaker 2: when Seena had built enough equity to insist in the
Speaker 2: heel turn, he was just too much of a yes man. Roman,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, told Vince, if you don't turn
Speaker 2: me heel, I'm done, and then went on to have
Speaker 2: a run for the ages. In my opinion, he has
Speaker 2: now surpassed Sena or he definitely will when all of
Speaker 2: a sudden done. What say you, folks, Uh, it's hard
Speaker 2: to say because Sina Sena has had such longevity and.
Speaker 3: You know, was God. I mean I would. I would.
Speaker 2: Wager that he has main evented more pay per views
Speaker 2: than anybody yep at this point. Yeah, just there was
Speaker 2: that many more to man event.
Speaker 3: I know, And but I don't like Roman. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: My answer to that question is yes, yeah, you yes, surpassed. Yes,
Speaker 2: Roman has surpassed Sena in terms of meaning something to
Speaker 2: the w W audience. I'm not saying that on every
Speaker 2: measure Roman outpaces Sena, but Roman made it matter almost
Speaker 2: two times as much as Johnson made it matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I guess. Yeah. You know, when when
Speaker 3: push comes to shove, like Roman, Roman knew what he
Speaker 3: could do. Roman knew that he didn't need to be
Speaker 3: hated like legitimately hated by people. He knew that he
Speaker 3: could do something that meant something, and he.
Speaker 2: Know what he is. Did it He's a better professional
Speaker 2: wrestler than John cena Is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And that was the question, and so that's my answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about his run made more money overall, more transformational,
Speaker 2: he was more fascinating to watch, more is stickier. He
Speaker 2: made all kinds of people, mostly a relatives, and he
Speaker 2: just made made it you feel locked in like you
Speaker 2: were watching a great be great With Sina, it was
Speaker 2: like you were watching a guy who's going to be
Speaker 2: remembered as great, kind of be somewhat less than great
Speaker 2: in any given moment, but you look at the totality
Speaker 2: and you realize there was greatness there. But night in
Speaker 2: and night out, it didn't feel great.
Speaker 3: But it's a weird thing now because because you know,
Speaker 3: there are people who when they became fans, he was
Speaker 3: the guy, right, and so it's a very it's a
Speaker 3: very you know he like that. We've heard that he
Speaker 3: was their Hulk Hogan And how do you it's tough
Speaker 3: to deal with. It's it's a very tough. It's tough
Speaker 3: to deal with, but it's also tough to kind of analyze,
Speaker 3: like how do you we as wrestling fans who have
Speaker 3: been fans since, you know, for you know, thirty plus years,
Speaker 3: we've seen more evolution in the business than people who
Speaker 3: started watching when they were kids in two thousand and six,
Speaker 3: seven whatever, and started watching during the peak of John
Speaker 3: Cena's years.
Speaker 2: And it's like and it's it's hilarious because they've seen
Speaker 2: very little evolution of the business. Yes, they've seen very
Speaker 2: little change. Oh Sena. Sena's run is chiefly characterized by
Speaker 2: WWE running in place. From an evolution standpoint, there was
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing that changed about their presentation during his run,
Speaker 2: right right. He redressed the set every two years, you know,
Speaker 2: and that was it added to new camera tricks. But
Speaker 2: it was so Vince was so patterned by that point,
Speaker 2: so patterned, and you know, it wasn't all bad. There
Speaker 2: were patterns that were good that helped them peak. WrestleMania's
Speaker 2: pretty brilliantly through that whole time. But my god, there
Speaker 2: is nothing you could point to that it was like wow.
Speaker 2: Before John Cena it was like this, and after John
Speaker 2: Cena was like this, Like no, it's all pretty much
Speaker 2: the same as when he first got belted up and
Speaker 2: became the guy that you know, took up all the
Speaker 2: oxygen Sina was. You know, he's just too cringe to
Speaker 2: any times. And Roman was cringed too when they were putty.
Speaker 2: So I'm not blaming Sena.
Speaker 3: But but but you know what, But the thing is,
Speaker 3: though I don't think see Roman wasn't cringe. Roman was
Speaker 3: made to be, so is John. Yeah, but John Cena, John,
Speaker 3: But look at Scena. Though Sena has the Sena right
Speaker 3: now has the ability to not be cringe, and he's
Speaker 3: still cringe. So I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, yes, he was given that, but
Speaker 3: I think he chose, he chose to not.
Speaker 2: He's irredeemably been altered. Yeah. Yeah, that the Sena who
Speaker 2: wasn't cringe that we had before he became the superhero,
Speaker 2: you know, the dug anomics, John Cena. We know we
Speaker 2: can go back to that. But he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He chooses not.
Speaker 2: He has the power to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's what's there.
Speaker 2: I think the he'll run decides it. Roman turns heel,
Speaker 2: lights the business on fire, creates some of the most
Speaker 2: memorable stuff we've seen it in a generation. Scena turns
Speaker 2: heel and all people are doing is wondering when he's
Speaker 2: gonna turn back babyface. That's uh. That says a lot
Speaker 2: right there in terms of who the better pro wrestler
Speaker 2: is between the two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, and I agree with you.
Speaker 3: Roman is better. Yeah, Roman is better.
Speaker 2: That's the question, right, that's the answer. Richie has a.
Speaker 3: Great but I don't but like it was surpassing, what
Speaker 3: is that? I don't even know what it meant. By
Speaker 3: surpassing though, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: It means either, I can only assume he means in
Speaker 2: terms of going down as an impactful figure in WW history,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of contributions and impact. And I
Speaker 2: still think Roman gets it, honestly, even if it was
Speaker 2: a shorter period of time, it was much more intense
Speaker 2: than Sina ever managed to create. Yeah, because I've seen it.
Speaker 2: You know, if you give scene as much time as
Speaker 2: Romans got to create that, the lasting impact he would
Speaker 2: have shipped the bed, it would have been a fart
Speaker 2: in church, you know, there wouldn't have been that country
Speaker 2: been true to the Is it true to the the
Speaker 2: kids who grew up watching John Cena as their hull Coche?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't speak to that. But I
Speaker 2: watched the whole thing and say what you will. But
Speaker 2: when hul Cogan was those kids hull Cogan, it mattered.
Speaker 2: When John Cena was those that kid's hull Cogan, it
Speaker 2: was cringe shit. And the shows every single week were
Speaker 2: predominantly about how people just were not with Sina, not
Speaker 2: with the presentation. And even though there were kids in
Speaker 2: there trying to shout, you know, out shout the people
Speaker 2: that were creating the reactions that made it into the
Speaker 2: television microphones, that did not happen tohul Cogan until it
Speaker 2: was too late, and that did not happen in the
Speaker 2: reverse way to Roman. Even so, that's what I can say. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Richie says about Russev wondering if you could ask the
Speaker 2: boss man if my idea for av Rusev? Yeah he's back,
Speaker 2: is he?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came back like two months ago now. But
Speaker 2: that'll tell you a lot about how I'll tell you
Speaker 2: a lot about how I backtfully has there hasn't been,
Speaker 2: I guess there it is in the come Back to
Speaker 2: us AW repatriation program. Was wondering if you could ask
Speaker 2: the boss man if my idea for a faction name
Speaker 2: would be good. I think the mention of food seals
Speaker 2: it russev should helm an Eastern European faction called Beef
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Speaker 2: thanks very much for the cake. Chris is out there
Speaker 2: paying close attention. This of course was way before Hulk's passing,
Speaker 2: but he says, what I can tell you with certainty
Speaker 2: about real American freestyle wrestling is that it ends up
Speaker 2: in a fucking hill of litigation and a Peter Teel
Speaker 2: finance pardon for the Hulkster. Well, not so much. Perhaps
Speaker 2: beyond the grave, a cynic might suggest. Hogan and Bischoff, See, yes,
Speaker 2: this whole thing is while the unregulated nial system is
Speaker 2: the last opportunity to get over another for personal gain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and no reasonable person might foresee this ending, as did
Speaker 2: Houlgan and Bischoff's botched arbitrage foray into European video gambling. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was ill fated. But let's review today's AP coverage
Speaker 2: and appreciate two matters of scale. First, the extent to
Speaker 2: which is a precise reprise of the TNH scam. Second
Speaker 2: to the sheer scope of physical beating this writer would
Speaker 2: sustain at the hands of the lapsed editor had he
Speaker 2: not recently accepted a buy out from his new VC overlords.
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan felt. The article reads, the AP article reads.
Speaker 2: Hulk Hogan felt sure he was onto something. The idea
Speaker 2: was so exciting that I get a chance to be
Speaker 2: involved with all these young people and help guide them
Speaker 2: in any way, especially to make them huge stars and
Speaker 2: create a future for them. He said. People might be surprised,
Speaker 2: but wrestling is wrestling. Brother Eric jumped in with both feet,
Speaker 2: and he's doing a lot to guide this ship right now.
Speaker 2: Brother Hogan said, Oh my god, he's setting so much
Speaker 2: stuff up production wise, just moving us forward light years
Speaker 2: ahead of where we would have been on it could
Speaker 2: have been on her own. I see this as an
Speaker 2: opportunity for me to get involved, Hogan said, to get
Speaker 2: back sitting on the couch, to get involved with a
Speaker 2: bunch of powerful athletes that I can relate to as
Speaker 2: far as championship material, guys that are on top of
Speaker 2: their game, and I just I couldn't pass on it nauseated.
Speaker 3: Chris, could he pass away on it?
Speaker 2: Yes he did, And I don't know what the return
Speaker 2: is going to be like coming up to the end
Speaker 2: of August for this event. But that is the exact
Speaker 2: thing he used to say in TNA to the exact playbucket.
Speaker 2: Really is my God help us. You and Taylor, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for the pledge. We appreciate it. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see wrapping up here, dragging Puncher, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for the cake. William wants to know. Wants us
Speaker 2: to know that he was listening while molling his lawn
Speaker 2: this afternoon. His neighbor's daughter was leaving for prom. This
Speaker 2: is while he was listening to Blockers. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: her dad walked her out to the car and stood
Speaker 2: the front yard after she left, almost hyperventilating. And that
Speaker 2: is very much like the John Cena Will Ferrell comedy.
Speaker 3: Because no, no, not Will Ferrell.
Speaker 2: John Al Ferrell is the one with what's his face with? Yeah,
Speaker 2: with the fucking rock and Sam Jackson jump off the gud.
Speaker 3: That's still the greatest fucking thing for honest to God, ever,
Speaker 3: it's such a great it's such a great idea great
Speaker 3: shot and so funny. No, but John Cena and Uh
Speaker 3: Leslie Mann and Ike Ike Uh his name.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Hike Eisenhower, I think on Frog. Thank you very
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Speaker 2: says you dipped into why Scena comes across the quote
Speaker 2: unquote weird and for a long time I have just
Speaker 2: accepted he likely has o CPD obsessive controlsive compulsive personality disorder.
Speaker 2: Not a bad thing to be a just many observations
Speaker 2: I've made over the years. I find him fascinating as
Speaker 2: a person. I agree he might he might have that.
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean the way he comes off on
Speaker 2: Total Diva is like that. He doesn't even try to
Speaker 2: hide it for the cameras. This big time tell uh
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Speaker 2: Smittie writes, Hey, chat Sina, what tips can you share?
Speaker 2: That helped you learn how to play piano. Answer. I
Speaker 2: genuinely wanted to learn how to play piano, and then
Speaker 2: I did and I became great at it.
Speaker 3: Oh he fucking talked about like that.
Speaker 2: He's that in that interview, in that weird interview where
Speaker 2: he like he you know, oh God, listen to him.
Speaker 3: Talk is so nice Obvia.
Speaker 2: So it's you can only take very small doses of it.
Speaker 2: It's so like, you know, he he he acts like
Speaker 2: he acts like the way he.
Speaker 3: It's it's almost like.
Speaker 2: He thinks he's dispensing wisdom all the time.
Speaker 3: Well, well that, but he also comes across like he
Speaker 3: doesn't almost understand, like it's so easy to do this.
Speaker 3: It's so easy to be great things if you just
Speaker 3: do what I do. And it's like, do you understand
Speaker 3: you're crazy? Like you're you're you You're one of those
Speaker 3: people who are just who's insane and can just kind
Speaker 3: of drop whatever they're doing to focus on one thing
Speaker 3: for like three weeks and get great at it. And
Speaker 3: I'm not listening. I'm not criticized. I think that's great.
Speaker 3: I wish more people could be like that, but most
Speaker 3: people aren't like that. He's he's you know what he is,
Speaker 3: he's childless. I mean that that's what Randy or hit
Speaker 3: him with, right well, Andy Orton hit him with that
Speaker 3: on one of the promos leading up their backlash match.
Speaker 2: And it's the truth, really there, You know, there's no
Speaker 2: We should always be very careful if we want to
Speaker 2: be fathers or mothers in this life, patterning ourselves at all,
Speaker 2: or taking any lifestyle advice or taking or modeling ourselves
Speaker 2: at all after people who don't have kids, because that
Speaker 2: is ninety percent of the reason they are the way
Speaker 2: they are, right right, come on, folks, give me fucking
Speaker 2: I listen, and I you know again, I'm not I don't.
Speaker 2: I think I've said this before. My therapist tells me
Speaker 2: this all the time that she she says that that's
Speaker 2: the last stage of becoming an adult, is having kids,
Speaker 2: and that there are people who don't ever achieve that stage. Yes,
Speaker 2: like you don't actually grow up. Like if you don't
Speaker 2: have kids, you never actually complete growing up. I think
Speaker 2: it's very hard to say you did. Absolutely agree.
Speaker 3: I think so too, because because because having children requires
Speaker 3: giving up some like releasing so much of what you
Speaker 3: want for yourself. That's right, that's right, in order to
Speaker 3: give it instead to your children, that's right. Ungrateful fucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and they'll never show the appropriate gratitude.
Speaker 3: Until they have kids. I mean, how many times I've
Speaker 3: how many times I've apologized to my dad and said, man,
Speaker 3: there you go. I never realized how much of a
Speaker 3: dick I was you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's absolute truth, and it's it's it's
Speaker 2: just a different perspective. It's like, if you don't have
Speaker 2: that perspective, it's like, you know, we're not we're not
Speaker 2: speaking the same language. We're just not.
Speaker 3: And again I'm not I'm not judging anybody, but it's literally,
Speaker 3: it's literally, it's completely a world you just you can
Speaker 3: never understand until you live through.
Speaker 2: I think that's true. Yeah, because you don't know yourself yet.
Speaker 2: You don't know that part of yourself. It doesn't come
Speaker 2: out until you're in that position. You haven't accessed it.
Speaker 2: You don't know who you are as a parent. You
Speaker 2: have no clue.
Speaker 3: Until until you're until you are until you have to
Speaker 3: wake up five times in the middle of the night
Speaker 3: and tried so desperately to feed your child, yes, feed
Speaker 3: your infant, until like as fast as possible, because if
Speaker 3: you don't, if you don't do it fast enough and
Speaker 3: get them back to sleep fast enough, you're not going
Speaker 3: back to sleep, correct. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: A guy like John Cena can't do that because he's
Speaker 2: got to go to the fucking he's done eighteen hour.
Speaker 3: Day, right, and he had got to and listen like
Speaker 3: because because you know what, because here's the thing, because
Speaker 3: nobody who's had his fucking career and lifestyle ever has kids, right,
Speaker 3: there are a million people.
Speaker 2: But that's to your point, that's why he's so over
Speaker 2: the top, right, you know, with what he can do
Speaker 2: exactly because he doesn't have that at any point, right,
Speaker 2: because he can just worry about himself.
Speaker 3: I mean that means that too he looks selfish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's very straightforward about that. But you
Speaker 2: know he thinks he thinks makes it a virtue. Well okay, but.
Speaker 3: I mean no, it's I'll tell you it's a it's
Speaker 3: a it's a it's only a virtue to those who
Speaker 3: can share it with his lifestyle, right exactly. Anybody else
Speaker 3: Just fuck off, dude, Just fuck off your piano playing.
Speaker 3: Just walk off a bridge.
Speaker 2: Personal growth yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: See I think what we can do together?
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, I can't. It's a very simple thing.
Speaker 2: All you have to do is just take the time.
Speaker 2: Make the time stop, make the time, do it yourself,
Speaker 2: make the time. We don't have time. There's no time
Speaker 2: to make it. Dumbas, but I don't tell that if
Speaker 2: you want to sleep. Don't tell if you want to
Speaker 2: sleep exactly exactly, if you're willing to give up some
Speaker 2: sleep now we're talking. Yeah, don't tell that to Peter
Speaker 2: Butler or Sam Rivers or Drew Nichols or Adam b
Speaker 2: or Lil Cookie or Lee Joanno or Ricky Gonzalez or
Speaker 2: Billy Bob or for Telly or Jared Murray or Cody
Speaker 2: Quinny or Miguel Aragon or Nick O or Travis or
Speaker 2: jaredt Dobson or Drell Watkins Wilkins pardon me, or Chris
Speaker 2: Thomas or Ed j or Chromas Lamb for that matter,
Speaker 2: or Matt Butler or Andrew Trudeau or Jason or Mark
Speaker 2: Townsend or Spice Boy or eesc or Brandon m or
Speaker 2: Colby Hartzog. Don't tell that to Rob Brown or Neil
Speaker 2: Forbes or Garrick Taylor. Don't tell that to Stephen Prescott
Speaker 2: or a Soul or Jonathan. Don't tell that to Persephonie Oliver.
Speaker 2: These are all folks, yes, who have put money on
Speaker 2: the table via Patreon for your co chair since the
Speaker 2: last time we were with you. In the mailbag, Austin
Speaker 2: writes in honor of seen A breaking the record for
Speaker 2: most title wins the co chairs. Watch him get a
Speaker 2: beer funnel stuck up his ass and blockers. How marked
Speaker 2: the occasion under the cinemat How about when Dom wins
Speaker 2: the Icy title at WrestleMania. You're gonna tell me that's
Speaker 2: not worth your Patreon dollar. James Wright's listening to the
Speaker 2: Boss on the live call of Dom winning the Icy
Speaker 2: belt knowing what was to come, was incredible. Boss. You
Speaker 2: should hear some of the reactions this guy's getting, especially
Speaker 2: with the triple A. I just saw this video being
Speaker 2: vindicated on Dom, Like, you don't believe this guy's gonna
Speaker 2: be the biggest heel in the business.
Speaker 3: Yep, he's gonna be massive. He is. He is, He's brilliant.
Speaker 2: He's a brilliant and I never really it didn't sing
Speaker 2: game with me, but like that bilingual stuff like his
Speaker 2: understanding the Luca mentality and his dad's stature in that world. Like, God,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like a multi lingual star. You can
Speaker 2: do so much with this kid. And look at his
Speaker 2: mustache and look at his hair. Oh I look at
Speaker 2: the look on his face.
Speaker 3: There is there is nobody in this current age who
Speaker 3: I approve of the mustache other than Dom.
Speaker 2: Look at the man.
Speaker 3: He's just brilliant.
Speaker 2: He's brilliant. He's brilliant. Everything he does brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's it's just a fucking he's just he's
Speaker 2: he's he's spectacular. It's funny going back and looking at
Speaker 2: all the WrestleMania comments about how cringe Travis Scott was
Speaker 2: and now it totally fell apart with him in WWE.
Speaker 2: He was not interested in putting in the work at all.
Speaker 2: So that WrestleMania main event finish is going to go
Speaker 2: down is even more pathetic, not just because Rock couldn't
Speaker 2: grace it with his presence because he saw the ship
Speaker 2: show was going to be, but the fact that Travis
Speaker 2: Scott went nowhere and they wasted that WrestleMania main event
Speaker 2: real estate on somebody who wasn't even going to show
Speaker 2: up again. Yep, it's going to be a real sad flow.
Speaker 3: So it's it's continuing to really just completely obliterate this
Speaker 3: John Scena heel turn. Yes, correct, all right, it's continuing
Speaker 3: to be a complete fucking joke.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of what we're going to see
Speaker 2: when we hit Comedy Village between nights one to two
Speaker 2: is we're going to look to that night Summer Slam
Speaker 2: and be like, you know what, guys experiment over. I
Speaker 2: look forward to chopping up with the Solar System members
Speaker 2: who join us in terms of how closely we've been
Speaker 2: watching the scene of hill Turn and what does and
Speaker 2: doesn't work, because we may very well be marking the
Speaker 2: end of it in New York City for all intents
Speaker 2: and purposes coming up at SummerSlam.
Speaker 3: Scott, I did. I have seen some things where people
Speaker 3: talk like there's there's there's to do something, some talk
Speaker 3: that that it's going to end, that the heel turn
Speaker 3: is going to end at SummerSlam.
Speaker 2: Really funny as people don't think that that was the
Speaker 2: plan all along.
Speaker 3: Oh right, And of course, of course I forgot about that.
Speaker 3: I forgot that. I forgot that this was the plan
Speaker 3: three years ago, right, what we do.
Speaker 2: That's right, And what we do is deliver, you know,
Speaker 2: on stories, and that's well.
Speaker 3: We deliver on story based entertainment.
Speaker 2: That's true. I mean, how canna fault you for that comment?
Speaker 3: No, listen r R. The way we entertain is based
Speaker 3: primarily on story.
Speaker 2: And Scott Michael Ferry is speaking of New York. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: sounds like there may need to be a mote tear
Speaker 2: pilgrimage to the New York Golden Steer. Oh yeah, popped
Speaker 2: me plugging the cream corn. He remembers the vague yeah,
Speaker 2: oh are you excited? Oh, I'm very excited. I keep
Speaker 2: I go to the website like once a week to
Speaker 2: see if they have a fucking date yet for the
Speaker 2: New York Steer. William back in the Mania days, I
Speaker 2: didn't watch the mains. I listened to that fucking cast,
Speaker 2: but I was watching the raw after with my wife,
Speaker 2: who also was lapsed. She watched WCW with her grandmother
Speaker 2: and went to a thunder taping, so she qualifies anyway.
Speaker 2: The highlights from Cody were playing, and she happened to
Speaker 2: look up from her phone when the shot of the
Speaker 2: skull helmet came up, and she said, with all lapsedness,
Speaker 2: what the fuck does he have on his head? Exactly
Speaker 2: that's exactly right. And William also has a helpful suggestion
Speaker 2: WW needs to hire Kevin von Eric to come out
Speaker 2: and shoot down a drone and have him say I'm sorry, dude,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a quail.
Speaker 4: Fuck.
Speaker 2: Steve says, just a follow up on the ground here
Speaker 2: in Vegas, Dom was hands down the most over guy tonight.
Speaker 2: People were chanting dirty Dom as they left the arena.
Speaker 3: I don't see how this is a surprise to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you listen to us, it wasn't. Evan uh
Speaker 2: says back then, can't wait for that Travis Scott program. Brother,
Speaker 2: I'm reminded why I'm a fucking moron for watching this shit,
Speaker 2: watching flair funk to stop me from pulling the trigger,
Speaker 2: he says. Fucking Pap says scene attorney during the match
Speaker 2: makes so much more sense, and I would put money
Speaker 2: behind that being the original plan. Okay, now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: call that. I think I saved this for something else
Speaker 2: that he said, Uh yeah, And I think this needs
Speaker 2: to be kept in mind whenever people wonder what it
Speaker 2: is exactly they get for their Patreon dollar. He writes,
Speaker 2: there's something magical about waiting until the next day to
Speaker 2: watch Mania in sync with the live call Yeo Sky,
Speaker 2: making her entrance clearly emotional, screaming her heart out. Boss,
Speaker 2: What does he say at this moment? There was ham
Speaker 2: and lamb. I can't imagine what was because it was Easter.
Speaker 3: It was Easter weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were talking about where we had
Speaker 2: at Easter and there was ham and Lamb. It's true,
Speaker 2: Justin writes Toerco Chairs, I hope you and your families
Speaker 2: had a blessed Easter. Quick story only select fuel appreciate.
Speaker 2: I went to my new widowed aunts house for Easter
Speaker 2: this year. She lives a bit away, so again the
Speaker 2: Mania mood. I listened to the TLF, seen a special
Speaker 2: report on the way. When I arrived at my aunt's
Speaker 2: on Saturday afternoon, her house was about ninety degrees because
Speaker 2: it was eighty and Jersey and she never is out
Speaker 2: on the air on that doesn't have the air on
Speaker 2: or open a window because she's old and gets cold.
Speaker 2: After some family fun, I smoked a bowl and settled
Speaker 2: in on Mania Night one, about an hour into the show.
Speaker 2: My sister comes in the room, thinking out loud and
Speaker 2: rhetorically says to my mom, what are we gonna do
Speaker 2: about this heat? Naturally, I sprung into action, looked at
Speaker 2: her and said, whoa, brother, let's dial this back. Who
Speaker 2: you been talking to? That this happens in real American
Speaker 2: living rooms because of us?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: She looked at me with utter disgust and said, what
Speaker 2: the fuck are you even talking about?
Speaker 3: You eat?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yea. I try to explain. She just walked away.
Speaker 2: She'll never know the pain. And what an absolute fuck
Speaker 2: was the ending of Sina Cody. Yes, you guys are
Speaker 2: fucking awesome. We love it, pal, we love we love
Speaker 2: the little slice of Life. Brendan says it well, WrestleMania
Speaker 2: is prom for wrestlers. That is the problem. Wow, Robert says,
Speaker 2: can we get an indie wrestler to use Philip Glass
Speaker 2: as their walkout music so we can get clean as
Speaker 2: cot seat under the cinemat Correous got Carlos out in
Speaker 2: Colorado Springs. Greetings Jack and JP. This is random, but
Speaker 2: not without merit. Based on Mike Tyson's contribution to the
Speaker 2: forever changing Monday Night Wars rating swing.
Speaker 3: I mean, can I honestly could could there be? I
Speaker 3: would love it if there was a faction called Kotzi
Speaker 3: and then there was like there was one who was
Speaker 3: like you had kis, you had power and he had not,
Speaker 3: all right, and that's it's just like that's the name.
Speaker 3: Then that there, that's their faction name is Kotzi.
Speaker 2: I can imagine if you can get behind that. I
Speaker 2: think that would be like so absolutely fucking insane and
Speaker 2: fucking fucking like godfre Reggio. I don't even know if
Speaker 2: he's dead or not, but he's like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is what the yeah, he's still He's still. God, he's
Speaker 2: a mess, but he's still alive. Like he's like what
Speaker 2: good imitation?
Speaker 3: Totally?
Speaker 2: Carlos says, based on Mike Tyson's contribution to the forever
Speaker 2: chaining My Night worst rating swing in January ninety eight,
Speaker 2: could you find it in your hearts to cover the
Speaker 2: baddest man on the planet? Considerable criteria being his available
Speaker 2: on YouTube and the best sports documentary ever made Fox
Speaker 2: Beyond the Glory, and several really bad made for TV movies.
Speaker 2: His cameo in The Hangover All that Teddy fucking Atlas
Speaker 2: is the Bruce Hard the Beyond the Glory of the
Speaker 2: Beyond the Glory, the Jake Palm Netflix Tobacle. I'd start
Speaker 2: the bidding at one hundred dollars if such a bidding
Speaker 2: process exists for the greatest duo to ever cover Carnie
Speaker 2: bullshit and sometimes real stuff. I realized that Under the
Speaker 2: Cinemat isn't the Hopper, but god damn, this would be
Speaker 2: such an amazing thing to hear, the greatest podcast on
Speaker 2: Earth cover. Thank you if you happen to read or
Speaker 2: consider this TLF for life. Well, thank you, Carlos. What
Speaker 2: do you think Boss Mike Tyson ever going to be
Speaker 2: Under the Cinemat?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely qualifies, no question, No, absolute qualifies. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: He qualifies just on you know, because for a number
Speaker 3: of things, but especially because of Wrestling fourteen. Listen. He
Speaker 3: was totally very very easy one in that it's an
Speaker 3: easy one. His involvement him being part of d X,
Speaker 3: like all that stuff. He's he's he's there, no question.
Speaker 2: Morgan's enjoying the mote tier in Wrestle Mamia on the
Speaker 2: Vince McMahon versusll Cogan one that you posted, Yes, he
Speaker 2: wrote underneath quote quoting your mom. They're both down, but
Speaker 2: nobody is counting. Yep, every single time, every single time, listen,
Speaker 2: I have to so So I I already talked about.
Speaker 3: How you know we we we watch in batch okay,
Speaker 3: in bulk form, were the costco of watching wrestling matches,
Speaker 3: And so I'm telling you so sometimes we'll watch four
Speaker 3: to six matches in a day when I when I'm around,
Speaker 3: I like to get a month in when I when
Speaker 3: if if I'm if she's visiting or if I'm visiting
Speaker 3: or whatever, I like to get a month's worth of
Speaker 3: content in. And so we're gonna watch four to six
Speaker 3: matches in a row. Every match it's like starting from scratch.
Speaker 3: I have to explain every match why how a pinfall works.
Speaker 3: And it's like we just saw a match, but I
Speaker 3: have to restart. It's like it's honest, it's like a
Speaker 3: reset button happens every time we start a new match.
Speaker 3: It's it's unbelievable. I mean, and it's totally legit, like
Speaker 3: it's not it's not you know, it's it's like it
Speaker 3: just went in and out. It's like it just went
Speaker 3: in out and all of a sudden, like this match
Speaker 3: then it's like we watch a regular match, and we
Speaker 3: watched another regular match, and it's like, for some reason,
Speaker 3: the rules in the previous match just don't qualify for
Speaker 3: the next match.
Speaker 2: Hell, I don't blame her. I mean every you sprinkling
Speaker 2: ec W and stuff. This doesn't make any sense. There's
Speaker 2: DQ here, not account Oh yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you.
Speaker 2: Can tap out in this match to submit, but in
Speaker 2: this match he slamming the mat in a submission hole.
Speaker 2: But it's not a tap.
Speaker 3: Yep, and like, but the best is that is when
Speaker 3: you see is when she sees two wrestlers on their
Speaker 3: backs on the ground, she doesn't nderstand why nobody's getting
Speaker 3: counted out. Well, you got to cover the guy Mom
Speaker 3: called the double down. Jesus put the crowd up. What
Speaker 3: I know, that's a good question. Brother puts his hand
Speaker 3: in the end.
Speaker 2: Whoa whoa, whoa whoa in between you guys. Here's a
Speaker 2: little lap slice of life from Zach at a conference
Speaker 2: at a fancy hotel, listening to the cast while I
Speaker 2: walk to the seated breakfast. Take out my AirPods and
Speaker 2: my phone, Kate shoot and my phone shows this time
Speaker 2: to not be silent, but instead loudly plays the boss
Speaker 2: singing Sergeant Slaughter's baby Face song at the fancy conference.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, correct, it's happening out there, folks, Rosalie Caine,
Speaker 2: Scott Jerck de Rosier, Twaan, Matthew Wallatchuck, Michael Fisco, Sean
Speaker 2: three point sixteen, Ben Buck, Andrea Angrisane, Andrew Brister, and
Speaker 2: so many more. Jim Rocco, they just must support that
Speaker 2: fucking cast. Amber wants us to know. Help. I'm an
Speaker 2: IRS fan. I coach you.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 2: For some reason, when I was a kiddo late early
Speaker 2: at late eighties early nineties, I had a fascination with
Speaker 2: entertainment branded fictional characters who were tough guys but wore
Speaker 2: ordinary clothing bonus points if they bled on their duds.
Speaker 2: I suppose for a farm girl like myself that such
Speaker 2: juxtaposition was impressive. At the time, it felt to me
Speaker 2: like Diehard's Bruce Willis had introduced the battered and bloodied
Speaker 2: hero to the culture. So when I first saw the
Speaker 2: Hasbro Irs figure at KB Toys, I thought, Oh, here's
Speaker 2: another take on that formula. An ordinary Joe who had
Speaker 2: a day job but was also a bruiser. Look at
Speaker 2: those arms, and as a fan of de Biassi, of
Speaker 2: course I had become an IRS fan too. Needless to say,
Speaker 2: I failed to convince my friends that Rotundo was ever cool. Still,
Speaker 2: he remains one of my favorite hasbros to this day.
Speaker 2: Maybe it says something that is modern figures all suck
Speaker 2: with ill fitting glasses and suspenders. That original figure lined
Speaker 2: went a long way and inspiring a kid's imagination, making
Speaker 2: even jobbers often seem cool. They were my introduction to
Speaker 2: this shame we call wrestling, so I created stories in
Speaker 2: my head long before ever seeing a WW match. To
Speaker 2: Vince's point right about how we set the platform, we
Speaker 2: set the template.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the attached advertisement. I found
Speaker 2: proof that I left his mark. Yes, there's a it's
Speaker 2: a utility pant that's on sale in like a fashion magazine.
Speaker 2: And then the red suspenders looks just like IRS man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that Hazibro figure though, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: No, I was not a fan of the stomps. The
Speaker 3: stomp figures were awful, terrible. They were they were. There
Speaker 3: were three figure styles that just didn't work. The stomps
Speaker 3: the weird push down the feet and the arms flail
Speaker 3: around and then the pushdown the lakes together jumpers not
Speaker 3: a fan.
Speaker 2: We mentioned the Raw guest host thing Mike things Heat
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety five qualifies because Piven was involved when
Speaker 2: he guest hosted Raw and he called SummerSlam summer Fest.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: I know that is again that that might be one.
Speaker 3: I let it slide.
Speaker 2: I always think that's the ultimate one. Like that's the
Speaker 2: measuring stick because pivn like he did nothing. He just
Speaker 2: showed up for some contractual obligation and did the Raw
Speaker 2: hosting thing to promote something. Yeah, could care less. But
Speaker 2: Heat man, I know right, we all about that around here.
Speaker 2: Sammy has another one, boss Man in the Forrest Gump novel.
Speaker 2: I did not know this. This is true. In the
Speaker 2: Forst Gump novel, he became a successful pro wrestler for
Speaker 2: a period.
Speaker 3: That's what he says.
Speaker 2: I gotta look at this discount because we need for Scott.
Speaker 3: That's the whole thing. I I don't. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: that's like, because it's in the novel, does that qualify
Speaker 3: the movie, right?
Speaker 2: I would think so. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not denying like, I'm definitely considering it. I gotta
Speaker 3: I gotta look it up a little bit. I gotta
Speaker 3: do some research on that.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what you come up with.
Speaker 2: Robert wants to know if Brad Dorriff did the actual
Speaker 2: voice for Chucky on WCW against Rick Steiner. Does blue
Speaker 2: Velvet itself qualify shit?
Speaker 3: Is that a fact that we know?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: Is he saying that that?
Speaker 2: He says it like it's a fact. I mean, I
Speaker 2: didn't know that, but.
Speaker 3: I'll look it up. I'll look at this. Is this
Speaker 3: is also I gotta look into.
Speaker 2: Massive.
Speaker 3: I know this, this could be. These are game changers.
Speaker 2: Scott says next weekend he's gonna do the grilled English,
Speaker 2: Spicy homemade mcmuffins, spicy sausage Colby pepper Jack. A quick
Speaker 2: go to is also a toastering the smuff and crunchy
Speaker 2: peanut butter let, the hot muffin melt the peanut butter fantastic,
Speaker 2: and a homemade lodge regular. In case you're wondering what's
Speaker 2: for breakfast going forward, Stephen has a cans and I
Speaker 2: can say without any doubt, yeah, he wants us to
Speaker 2: know that as a because you know, if we're going
Speaker 2: to go out on food, we're gonna go out on
Speaker 2: food as a cans. And he can say without any doubt,
Speaker 2: barbecue sauce is the King condiment, thoughts.
Speaker 3: Ah, the King connon No, I can't say it's the
Speaker 3: King condiment. I like, I love barbecue sauce, but it's
Speaker 3: gonna be on the right thing. I can't use it
Speaker 3: for everything. That's the King condiment then, m that's a
Speaker 3: good question, the King condiment. I mean what I like most, honestly, mayonnaise.
Speaker 3: I love mayonnaise. I love mayonnaise goes well with most things. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I know it is, it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: But I love like mayonnaise with like I can. I
Speaker 2: can have mayonnaise with most with pretty much any deli meat,
Speaker 2: how fuckingnise? Thanksgiving, sir.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's it's it's it. It's what makes it, Honestly,
Speaker 3: it's that it's that little that little like such a
Speaker 3: it's that see that and the and and the cranberry
Speaker 3: sauce or were kind of all together. So it's mayonnaise,
Speaker 3: is it? And you know, Manai's on a burger always. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't go with mayo.
Speaker 2: See, I don't know. If I have a king, I
Speaker 2: would say it's barbecue sauce to myself, but not because
Speaker 2: I think it's better than everything, but just because it
Speaker 2: is the one thing that I know I like on
Speaker 2: more than just one type of food. M M, yes, well,
Speaker 2: and I do like barbecue sauce, but I'm not see.
Speaker 2: I would never put in like mayonnaise on you know,
Speaker 2: ribs or chicken. I can't.
Speaker 3: I like to, but I can't picture you would. I
Speaker 3: would put mayonnaise on chicken. I would put mayonnaise on
Speaker 3: a on a on a grilled chicken or a fried
Speaker 3: chicken sandwich, no question. I wouldn't put barbecues on barbecue
Speaker 3: unless I was doing a barbecue chicken sandwich.
Speaker 2: I'm supposed say hot honey. Now, isn't that supposed to
Speaker 2: be my answer to that question.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, man, I fucking love hot honey, little dab.
Speaker 3: I know it's the coolest, doesn't mean it's not delicious.
Speaker 3: There's a pizza place, and I there's a pizza place,
Speaker 3: and that that's kind of the thing. Now, is hot
Speaker 3: honey on pizza? It is so fucking The pepperoni with
Speaker 3: it it's it's no, it's I get this. It's sausage,
Speaker 3: jalapenos and hot honey, and it is un fucking believable.
Speaker 3: It's heavenly correct hot honey. Wins Alli writes, what's the
Speaker 3: best for an object? And why is it rolled steel?
Speaker 2: I can't imagine who we could ask that question too.
Speaker 2: It's out there is a right's huge fan of the show.
Speaker 2: While listening to the Spring mail Bag episode, the idea
Speaker 2: of pilgrimage to old arenas was mentioned, and I have
Speaker 2: to say, here in Detroit we might have the most
Speaker 2: unique idea for lapsed arena pilgrimage. The Silver Dome, Joe
Speaker 2: Louis Arena, and Palace of Auburn Hills have all been demolished,
Speaker 2: but we still have Cobo Hall now known as Huntington Place,
Speaker 2: where the famous Halloween Havoc monster truck battle took place
Speaker 2: and where the giant fell off the roof, not to
Speaker 2: mention the chic and Bobo Brazil's many exploits. Although I
Speaker 2: have the recollection that the Cobo Hall that's referred to
Speaker 2: as Cobo Hale now as like adjacent to where the
Speaker 2: Sheik did his business. But I'll try to visit the
Speaker 2: site soon and send you guys some photos from the
Speaker 2: top of the roof, since I believe it's still used
Speaker 2: for parking. As a side note, is Detroit the only
Speaker 2: place where three major stadiums and arenas have been imploded
Speaker 2: with so much wrestling history. Silver Dome with wrestlming E three,
Speaker 2: Joe Lewis Arena with Halloween Havoc Survivor series, Austin on
Speaker 2: rob with the Zamboni, and the Palace with SummerSlam, World
Speaker 2: War three and Luger beating Hog on the one hundredth
Speaker 2: edition of Nitro. It used to be better. Indeed, Yeah,
Speaker 2: when I think of cities that a body, it used
Speaker 2: to be better, Detroit is it. And I mean that
Speaker 2: not as a smartest comment about it's hollowed out industrial base.
Speaker 2: I mean that as a comment about wrestling and the
Speaker 2: things that happen there. Yeah, nothing happens there anymore. The
Speaker 2: business I know.
Speaker 3: It's such a it's it's sad. It's really sad.
Speaker 2: Jerome Rice, you mentioned people looking down and realizing what
Speaker 2: the chairman are saying applies to them. As someone who
Speaker 2: teaches multiple college English classes every time, Jack mentions that
Speaker 2: in order to succeed in higher ed one should copy
Speaker 2: the writing and speaking style of the professor. I feel
Speaker 2: a little attacked, but he's right. Recently a student who
Speaker 2: I know for a fact would not listen to the
Speaker 2: lapsed fan told another student that same piece of advice. Well, yep,
Speaker 2: you know, good ideas have a way of traveling. Uh, yes,
Speaker 2: trailing fast. We're going to conclude this episode in recognition of,
Speaker 2: you know, having lost hal Coogan by adding him to
Speaker 2: the Ultimate WrestleMania Death Toll, which has been a running
Speaker 2: tally kept by the homie Christian Hollister for years and
Speaker 2: years and years. Oh yeah, and that he recently you know,
Speaker 2: informed us uh included has as celebrity wing and everything,
Speaker 2: but recently included uh hull Cogan as well. Now he
Speaker 2: did send this, let me get the time stamp here.
Speaker 2: He did send this several months ago, so there is
Speaker 2: a chance that more than just Hull Cogan has been
Speaker 2: added to the list. But I think it's appropriate as
Speaker 2: we conclude this mailbag episode, the last one in a while,
Speaker 2: and it's in its format. Let's see, Well, who's who's died? Well,
Speaker 2: Mango and Sabu, Yeah, they were both at WrestleMania. That's true.
Speaker 2: That's a good one.
Speaker 3: In fact, WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, I think he would, he would qualify,
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: So all right, so here we go. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: look at look at these fucking this.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he puts it well. Forty years
Speaker 2: of pain, forty years of hurt, forty years of death.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do I'm gonna do it backwards than what
Speaker 3: he has here. I'm going to start with the celebrity
Speaker 3: wing Achi Bono, Alex Trebek, Aretha Franklin, Bill Frelick, Billy Martin,
Speaker 3: Bob Yucker, Bert Reynolds, Cab Cab Callaway. Was that fucking.
Speaker 4: With that?
Speaker 2: I just can this chet Copic, Chuck Webner, Clara Peller,
Speaker 2: Darryl Dawkins, Dick Butkis, Ernie Holmes, g Gordon Lyddy, George Steinbrenner,
Speaker 2: Harvey Martin, jam Master Jay, Joan Rivers, Joe Frasier, John
Speaker 2: Mennick as Herb. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: Oh, Herb is the guy from the Burger King ad campaign,
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, that they hired to show WrestleMania because
Speaker 2: he was somewhat famous on TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lemmy Liberaci, Little Richard Lou Duva married Tyler Moore.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, she was at WrestleMania for Morton Downey Junior, Muhammad,
Speaker 3: Ali Pee Weee Herman, Pete Rose, Ray, Charles Ray Combs,
Speaker 3: Reggie White, Regis Philbin, Robert Conrad, Robert Gulay, Robin Leech,
Speaker 3: Russ Francis, Steve Allen, Cy Spurling, and William the Refrigerator,
Speaker 3: Perry Referees, Dick Kroll, Henry Terra, Nova, Jack Lutz, Joey Morella,
Speaker 3: Mickey Henson, Tim White, and now the wrestlers, wrestlers, managers
Speaker 3: and announcers is what it's listed as. Adrian Adonis, Andre
Speaker 3: the Giant Animal, Bad News Brown, Bam Bam, Bigelow, The
Speaker 3: Big Boss Man, Big John stud Bobby the Brain, Heenan Bray, Wyatt, Bruno,
Speaker 3: Sam Martino, Bushwhacker, Butch Butch Reid, Captain Lou Albano, Chris Benoit,
Speaker 3: Chris Canyon, China, Classy, Freddie Blassie, Corporal Kirchner, Crash, Holly Crush,
Speaker 3: Davey boy Smith, Dino Bravo, Doug Furnaces, Dusty Rhodes, the
Speaker 3: Dynamite Kid, Earthquake, Eddie Guerrero, the Executioner, the Fabulous Moolah,
Speaker 3: Frenchie Martin, General, Adnon, the Genius, George, the Animal Steel,
Speaker 3: the Giant, Gonzales, Gorilla Monsoon, Grand Master Sexe, the Haiti Kid, Hawk, Hercules, Hernandez,
Speaker 3: Howard Finkel, the Iron Chic, Jim the Anvil, Knightheart, Jimmy
Speaker 3: del Rey, Jose Lathario, the Junkyard Dog, Kamala King Kong, Bundy,
Speaker 3: Kogi Catal Lance, Cad Little Beaver, Little Tokyo, Lord, Alfred Hayes,
Speaker 3: Lord Littlebrook, Luke Harper Slash, Brodie Lee, Luna Vashan, Luscious
Speaker 3: Johnny Valiant, Mabel May Young, Matt Bourne, Mean, gene Oakerland,
Speaker 3: Mister Fuji, Mister Perfect, Kurt Hennig, Mister Wonderful, Paul Orndorf,
Speaker 3: Miss Elizabeth, Nikolai Volkoff, Owen Hart, Pat Patterson, Paul Bearer,
Speaker 3: Pedro Morales, Randy Savage, Ravishing, Rick Rude, Razor, Ramon Slash,
Speaker 3: Scott Hall, Rowdy, Roddy Piper, Saboo, SD Special Delivery Jones,
Speaker 3: The Sensational Sherry, Sir Oliver Humperdenk Superfly, Jimmy Snooku, I
Speaker 3: should have added before that, Steve Mongo, McMichael, Superstar, Billy Graham,
Speaker 3: Sweet Sweet Sapphire, Skip, Chris Candido, Psycho, Sid Terry Funk Test,
Speaker 3: the Texas Tornado Carry Von Eric, Tom zenk U Manga,
Speaker 3: Uncle Elmer, the Ultimate Warrior, Vodder, Virgil, Woman, Yoko Zuna,
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan and as always the Undertaker.
Speaker 2: A grim list yeah when we started.
Speaker 3: I mean, let me tell you, that's that's ninety seven
Speaker 3: on the wrestlers and managers.
Speaker 2: Alone, unjust WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: Alone, un Just WrestleMania alone.
Speaker 2: And that list was a third, maybe twenty percent of
Speaker 2: what it is when we started this whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so it's only appropriate that we revisit so many
Speaker 2: of those halcyon days that characterize the early days of
Speaker 2: the cast and the eras we were reaching for. They
Speaker 2: were draped in red and yellow, and the cast will
Speaker 2: be once again as we send off the Hulkster, the
Speaker 2: Guy in so many ways at the nucleus of it
Speaker 2: all going forward. We look forward to seeing you August
Speaker 2: third at the Comedy Village in Times Square, New York City,
Speaker 2: as the co chairman take the stage to put it
Speaker 2: all in a perspective, including a special vigil for the Hulkster.
Speaker 2: Hear thoughts and sentiments from across the Solar System, and
Speaker 2: we'll get right back on the horse to complete Hulk
Speaker 2: Hogan on that cast