Speaker 1: It's the lab Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn Seo,
JP Soro.
Speaker 2: Yes, the choice was taken away from us. That's what
we decry, and we decry the fact that we were
put into a position to adopt media consumption habits that
put a whole lot of people out of work for
no good reason and therefore necessarily diminish the quality and
the risk taking that entertainment producers were willing to take.
And again with the technology working in reverse influencing how
the art is created. To some degree, it makes a
lot of sense, but there are trade offs that didn't
have to be made. And this whole subscription thing is
just fucking sas software's service, you know, Microsoft and shit realizing, Hey,
instead of charging people for software one time, we can
charge them every single month, and over the lifetime of
their reallyationship with us, we'll get a few more months
you know, of money out of them than we would
if they had to just pay upfront. And then everyone
was like, holy shit, this is a way to make
more money off people. Let's hook it in. We do
it with Patreon. It's the same thing. Patreon is very
much like that. We keep that engine humming, we keep
feeding the fucking flame, we keep throwing shit on the
fire to be worth the money, and we are. But
that's what creates this sort of like whole idea that
we're not really making movies to sell the movie on
its own merits. We're making movies to keep Netflix interesting
for just one more month, and then it's something else,
and then it's something else, and then it's something else,
and everyone's Netflix as far as all the projects they
approve and all of the kind of schlocky ways that
their in house stuff is sort of, you know, pulling
from all these random pop culture sources to try to
make one fucking ninety minute movie relevant to as many
people as possible, to the point we don't even know
what you're watching. Sometimes it's just this assault on the Senate,
just this assault of reference points. It's it's so postmodern
it makes you sick. Frankly, it's like a fucking Andy
Warhol painting of a of a Campbell soup can. Sometimes
it's like, here is commercialism presented to you, as you know,
art essentially as popular art, popular entertainment, and you're just
you're just assaulted with all of these like sneaky little
references to things that people are trying to sell or
promote or you know, we'll bring this guy, will put
him in the movie because he has this audience. She'll
be in the movie because none of them can act
or none of them are. None of them we're going
to elevate the movie, you know, right, I don't know.
I just I'm really disillusioned by it. And it's it's
really only there because of the pricing model, the way
we charge and invoids people decides how shit gets made. Yes,
very bizarre to me, very cart before the horse, very
tail wagging the dog. You know, Oh, for sure, the
creators should be able, and maybe they are, and I'm
just taking into it dictate how one is to purchase
their work. You know, there have been some bands that
have big enough swinging dicks that they just don't go
on Spotify, they don't sell their tickets on Ticketmaster. They
just don't. And they can still make enough money to
be more than justly rewarded for their efforts. But one
more turnover of generations and there will be no artists
who come up with anything on their mind besides yeah,
fitting the way Meta wants to display video right, And
you're gonna tell me that's not a loss. M it's
not a big l It's it's it's it's the biggest loss.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't deny it. I don't, I don't
deny it. It is. It's bad.
Speaker 2: And as Paul says, and God help you back in
the day, if you wanted to run a VCR for
the video store, in terms of them getting extra nervous
and extra terms and conditions on your ass, you better
bring that fucking thing back and ship shape, pal, or
you're going to be paying four hundred, five hundred dollars.
Paul says, I'm pretty sure my dad had to put
me up as collateral to rent a VCR back in
the day.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: He also says, Paul Dan Spivey is a whole pound
of food. Men love. I've heard that William writes that
Hulk comes downstairs in the morning to find hercules and
his kitchen and eating an omelet. Hulk brother knobs, Dude,
what's going on here? Knobs? I don't know, Terry, he
said he's ah h from Tampa and he lives here now.
It checked out, so I made breakfast like I always do.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 2: William also picked up on something we said that pretty
much nails it. Poignant or bizarre, whatever comes first. Yes,
from your Wrestling Podcast of the Year winner, Thank you
very much. It's how I ended up. He remembers as
the owner of half Baked on VHS in two thousand
from a Hollywood video after accident putting the tape, accidentally
putting the tape in a different sleeve and putting it
on my shelf for turning instead one of my personal
raw dubs from nineteen ninety eight. Imagine returning to a
video store your television recording of raw. Oh that's that
would be I would I would I that would be
the most embarrassing thing ever. They would send the police
to your house to get that tape.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh of course they would.
Speaker 2: He writes. I hadn't gone back to the store in
a couple of months. After returning the tape a couple
of days late, I thought I was looking for ten
looking at rather a five to ten dollars late fee
which I was prepared to pay. I made my selection
that night and went to the counter to check out.
The guy working said, hey, you have a late fee balance.
I replied yeah, I no, He responded, you want to
pay that now? I said, yeah, sure. So we scanned
my tape and said, so that comes to one hundred
and sixty five dollars and now, oh.
Speaker 3: No, no, no no.
Speaker 2: I did not pay and left without any tape, and
I was denied the return of my raw tape. Wow.
I got some satisfaction, however, as that location went out
of business a few months later, and their books were
so messed up that I never heard anything else about it. Yeah. Well,
if they were Nicolin Diamonda to that extent, yeah, he remembers,
God help you. If you fail to return the tape
to the rental store, places would charge you late fees
up to two weeks, and at a higher price if
it was a new release, and a rewinding fee. If
we failed to do so, they would call you multiple
times a day, their threats of ruination for your negligence. Now,
I remember they would call you looking for their tape.
I do remember that. Yes, that's how much those things
cost them to carry. Think about that, that you could
justify the cost of carrying an employee who would fucking
watch your inventory and call people like a debt collector
when they hadn't returned the thing yet. Now like you
can't give a video away.
Speaker 3: No, people like run on the opposite correction right right, like.
Speaker 2: You're trying to put a bomb in their hand or
something exactly. Then after a store value variable of two
weeks to a month, said, fuck it, keep it, but
we're charging your account one hundred and two hundred bucks
to replace it, and we will turn you into a
collection agency. Wow, it's like a big fucking thumbs up
to me. We talked about on a recent episode. I
believe it was the Colosseum collection. Just funny alternate endings,
funny booking decisions. Oh yes, Savia Vega coming down instead
of Sean Michaels at WrestleMania twelve for instance. Yes, and
of course that sparked no shortage of creativity amongst the
solar system, and the mailbag started. The mail bag started popping.
Mark writes, mister food, this is funny booking WrestleMania nine. Okay, okay,
mister Fuji throws salt in the hitman's eyes. Yes, And
Yakuzina takes advantage new champion. The story progresses as we
know Brett has tended to outside the ring by another wrestler,
and said wrestler is challenged to a title shot right here,
right now. The following exchange plays out just like it
actually did with hul Kogan, but instead we end up
with a new WWE champion, Brian Knobbs. Imagine Brett Hart
sending Brian Knobs into Avenge his loss with the salt
in his eyes, like Knobs looks to the people and
they're like, Okay, yeah, I guess I want you to
all right, Yeah, He's like, come on. A closing scenes
WrestleMania nine is him and his Nasty Boy's muscle shirt.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, you know how how how uh
Hogan does the you know, the with the fist and
the like Knob's doing that instead.
Speaker 2: That's how it would sound. And he's hoisting up the
winged Eagle belt and people like, okay, he's got his
pants on with his boots and stirrups. It's like Kidnam
the people.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: It just made it just made. I don't know why
that triggered into my mind. The idea of of at
wrestling a twelve and instead of Sean Michaels Hell, instead
of Savio Vega. It's although Montoya.
Speaker 2: And the fans are expected to get excited, that's the key.
Just imagine turning up.
Speaker 3: Instead he's doing all this Sewn Michael stuff, you know,
like doing the stupid dances and whatever. But he's done
with a stupid mask on his face.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. Everything you just said is true.
He's got the mask on, he's got the gimmick on,
He's doing all of Sean's mannerisms. And and Finkel introduces
him as the heartbreak kid, Shawn Michael, the heartbreak kid,
as if no one's gonna notice.
Speaker 3: Where his fucking what do you wear? Green? Yellow and red?
Speaker 2: The yellow John drop on his face look as funny,
as as funny as Savio coming down from the rafters.
The resume of twelve was, I I have to Brian
Knobs closing WrestleMania nine, is said A hallt Coke, and
I think it's pretty.
Speaker 3: It's better, it's funny. I mean, that's that's a that's
a that's a funny one. Just to like to to
figure out who the guy is. That's gonna help. That's good.
That's gonna say, go get do it. That you do it.
Speaker 2: That is so such a great point. Like without that
Brett component, it's not as anywhere near as funny to
just say Brian Knobs comes out and beats Yoka because
it's it's imagined nbs like Brett Hart's like Pinny Yokozuna
and I'm just doing the right left all the sweats
flying off his mullet was he looks left to right.
That's why we do this, man. Oh god, it's tough.
Speaker 3: Fucking Knobs.
Speaker 2: On our uh colisseum collection Randy Savage and Elizabeth Coverage.
I'm not quite sure what Alex was honing in on
as far as what point in the show he decided
to make this declaration, but he wrote, having the co
chairman so incredibly clearly illustrate not just what the magic
of wrestling is, but how it is constructed, how it's
dilapidated in the modern era, and even a peek into
a more favorable and refreshing book style. Call me a fanboy,
but I live for hearing the graps chopped up like
that MM. And we thank you, Alex, because it's something
we take pride in and do our best for us
to try to say, hey, you know, as pathetic as
we all feel, we don't have to. Wrestling can be good.
Wrestling cannot constantly be a needy, thirsty enterprise. It can
It can present itself in a confident way that's not
constantly being calibrated to X. You know, yes, fuck, hey,
g No, can't wait to penetrate you in real time.
Pal As he sent Mediah the tickets our way and
said he can't wait to be penetrated in real time.
Something we can be doing. Something we can do about that.
To the point about, you know, with WTF stuff. How
about Jordan's suggestion Colonel Mustafa picture, Colonel Mustafa accept accept
He's dressed like Colonel Rob Parker. I mean, the fact
is he said, you know, he could have said iron chic, right,
but he said, Colonel Mustafa, that's very important. Because now
I'm swapping out important the Saddama Seine outfit instead of yes,
yes with the Southern accent too. Oh that's the that's
the email, Jordan writes, Well, thank you for it, mister Fritz,
thank you for your pledge. We appreciate you joining us.
Lewis Perez, longtime supporter are great to see you in
the Eptre Danny Vaughan, thank you very much for the cake. Studdy.
Always great to have you in our corner. Andrew writes,
Gorilla is also definitely a guy who orders food for
the table that's meant for himself.
Speaker 3: Yes, no question, it's for the table.
Speaker 2: No Slams in the city. Brendan Brennan's going to be there,
he says, Hey, guys, I was actually at MetLife yesterday
for soccer game when this dropped. I will not be
going to Met Life for the Slams. However, I will
be enjoying a weekend in New York City because of
my favorite college podcast, That's How We Roll. Bro. Brendan
loves the serendipity of Jaws dropping for the fourth It
made some long holiday go by so easy. I love
to hear. That's some of my favorite stuff is the
holiday drives where we come into play.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so great. That's it. I love
I love doing that. I love listen. There's nothing, there's
nothing I I I love very much dropping something special.
Speaker 2: On a holiday. That just I love that. That always
makes me happy. Yeah, it seems to me. Other podcasts
kind of take the holidays off a little bit, which
look in theory, I totally support and understand it, especially
if you're trying to make it your full time gig.
But man, that's when we just fucking put our foot
on thes.
Speaker 3: But but the thing is, it's like, yes, you want
to take that, you want to take the day off, sure,
but then you got to fucking load up.
Speaker 2: To load up, you gotta be you got to load
about people who are in a situation where they need
you during that Because as magical as holidays can be,
and I'm talking about the holidays and ducking any holiday,
as great as it can be to be around family
and friends, there's going to be downtime. There's going to
be travel time. There's going to be drudgery. There's going
to be those moments that we are custom made for
where you're trying to bridge a gap in your day
because you know you're gonna be like a hamster on
a wheel for the next little while, be it sitting
in an airport, riding on an airplane, traveling in a car,
waiting for people to show up, waiting for people to
wake up, waiting for people, you know, after for something
to do. When people go to bed. That's when the
podcast comes. That's what podcasts count. That's why I can't
stand this video stuff because it's like, you can't you
can't do that like and also function like the audio only.
Podcasts allow you to move through the world and enjoy
the thing, to do something with yourself instead of just
sit there and try to replicate the couch potato TV experience,
which is a wonderful thing in and of itself, but
it's not My podcast became a thing. Podcasts became a
thing because they weren't television shows, because they traveled in
a form and factor that wasn't like that, but at
the same time preserving what's magic about spoken word audio? Yes,
what has always been magic about spoken word audio since
the invention of James Says, Montreal, November ninet ninety seven.
Survivor Series backstage, Brett gets suspicious and knows something isn't
right and he bails. Vince needs a replacement for the
main event entern Tom Brandy waving the Canadian flag flanked
by the Heart Foundation, same screw jump finish.
Speaker 3: This works for me.
Speaker 2: Tom Brandy spits in Vince's face and writes w CW
in the air then smashes the announcer stead Brandy then
goes backstage and continues recording the Wrestling with Shadows documentary.
He takes Vince, he sits across from Sean and asks
if he had anything to do with it. He uppercuts Vince.
Speaker 1: On Raw.
Speaker 2: He goes back to feuding with Mark Merrow on TV
and appears in the ninety eight Rumble before leaving in
Marsh is.
Speaker 3: Just fut.
Speaker 2: Oh the real homie? Will Winthrop writes, now is that
disgraced ww Trian bilde Mott or is that US darts
player Stowey Bunts? I never heard of until he said that?
Can you take it? Look at Stowe buns for the people?
S t O w i E b u n t z.
I think the time is now?
Speaker 3: Wait st o what is it?
Speaker 2: S t O w I E. And then it's b
u n t z buns cake.
Speaker 3: I mean the love child of Jim Knightheart and Jack Black.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of love children out there, man, I
have noticed you really are.
Speaker 3: Oh my professional darts player.
Speaker 2: Zax's I can confirm the boss did trick my wife
on April Foold's Day with his Hogan message. Oh I
love that I called her cell. She was on a
work trip at a time she wouldn't be able to
answer and it would go to voicemail. I blocked my
number so it wouldn't show us from me, and left
the Hogan message on her voicemail. We had been it
was beach shop about a month ago. So the idea
she left a card there as possible tell the people.
This was basically him asking before Hogan passed obviously, yes,
that you call that you create a cameo essentially where
you're calling from Hogan's beat shop as Hulk Hogan saying
she left the credit.
Speaker 3: Card there, Yes, and and just kind of going, you know,
just just going with it, and it went in all
so many different directions and to the point of, you know,
obviously the paranoia kicked in, but it was a gradual
thing where Hogan was like calling with you know, like
concern originally, and then as he got further into it,
he's getting a little more freaked out, and he's getting
a little more angry, and he's wondering, why did you
leave this thing in my in my in my beat shop, right,
And it was just tremendous. It's nervously one of the
fucking Yeah, exactly. This is one of the funniest fucking things.
Speaker 2: Can't pull that off convincingly anymore, can you?
Speaker 3: Well, you never know, and not everyone knows he's dead.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I guess there's an outside chance of that.
This is the first mailbag since we unleashed the second
season of Dark Side of the Ring Unheard on Folks
Available Anything, Get podcast and on YouTube, this time on
video after I talked all that shit about video for
your viewing pleasure as well as audio pleasure and Matt
Rode in how fun is it for me to see
glow in the dark Abdullah? That has to say, Abdullah
is on a TV screen behind us with you on
Vice's YouTube channel. If anything good comes out of releasing
video episodes, know that I'm feeling like a proud father
over here, like I reared him myself for twenty five
years and now he's finally made it in showbiz. Unheard
is special for the people who hunger for that kind
of insight and character detail. It's so fucking rich, you
know it, Abby isolating Evan Hussey to shake him down
after a night at the Red Lobster Chef's Kiss. That's
my boy, I don't understand how y'all do it, and
happy to keep it that way. But if there's ever
a Q and A and time to talk about sausages
and how they're made, Matt says he's going to ask
about the TLF schedule. Well, from the time we wake
up to the time we have to crash, it's called
you how do we do it? It's called sleep deprivation.
I hope people appreciate that about about us. You know,
we fucking deprive ourselves of sleep. That's what we do.
Speaker 3: Yes, because you know that that is that That is
the truth. I'm not trying to people want to know
that's the ends, but it is. It's it's the absolute truth. Uh,
you know, because no matter what time we finish, we
gotta get up at the same time.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: It's always that's always a thing.
Speaker 2: Got to keep the hamster wheel moving. As Holkoken said,
can't miss a beat, brother.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 2: Sorry to credit the alarm, it's a good point. Thanks
and Caleb Bowden, thank you for so much for your
increase in pledge the Homie Austin, Hey, JP, I'm trying
to find out more. But a company called Capital City
Championship Combat Wrestling in Canada did a show in twenty
eighteen called The Departed. JF was on the car just
a thought.
Speaker 3: Listen, okay, but I need to have I need to
have in need, I need to know that it was
the name was inspired.
Speaker 2: Also following up on this past email, he writes minutes later, no,
actually months later, this C four show took place on
Saint Patrick's Day, which pretty clearly implies a connection to
the film That Departed.
Speaker 3: Because it's all fucking Irish SOUTHI punks.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing if there's anyone that wrestled on this show
that is also on cameo, let me know if that
could help steal the case for The Departed qualifying this guy.
Speaker 3: Will want to listen. I listen, So do I you
want it? So do I? Of course I want love
to dig into the Departed, love the opportunity to dig
in the into the Departed. But you know I need
to have I need to have a solid, a solid connection.
Speaker 2: So explain it. What does it needs? What does it
need to be?
Speaker 3: Honestly, for this if the show, if that's show was
they said, yeah, you know what, we we took it
from the Departed I'd take it, really, I would take
it because, you know, it was a if you're gonna
argue about the GoldenEye situation, because the guy didn't say, yeah,
my name was inspired by GoldenEye. He said it was
like the response was, yeah, that was part of it. No, No,
I just can't buy that, right if, and then he
went into what it really meant? You know, so yeah,
maybe it was part of it, but I need a
more direct like, yeah, I respect that, this is it right.
You can't make it.
Speaker 2: You can't feel like the guy said yes just to
like be nice to the interviewer.
Speaker 3: If the right if the promoter says, yes, the depart
is my fucking favorite movie and I named the show
because of that movie. Done. Wow, easy, that's an easy one.
It's like it's right there, you know, because there is
a direct inspiration in some fashis. There's no wrestlers in there, no,
not that I can see anyway, but listen, there very
well could be. You know, we find people in the
weirdest fucking places, in the weirdest places, and unfortunately not
everybody has a trivia section. That's a lot of the time.
If you look on IMDb, a lot of times you'll
find these trivia sections with stunt performers and whatever where
they say also used to be a professional wrestler, and
then that starts. You know, that's the rabbit hole. You know,
the door to the rabbit hole is right there, right,
so it all, you know, it just it depends God,
but it can, you know, it can happen. It's not.
That's that's how we found Glenn Caine. Like you know,
I forget who found that originally, but you know that
was that was it you find they found on IMDb.
It's it's said he's a former professional wrestling referee. You
know you find that that that right there gets me,
you know, looking down and seeing where can we where
can we go qualifying?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Steve says. Also my grandmother and Mama Sorrow
or kindred spirits. My grandmother always told me and my
mother before me to never eat or drink anything from
a petrol station as they as they quote cake that
stuff and oil you can taste it. Ye, that's right,
that's right. I don't I don't think that's the case,
but whatever, No, it's definitely not the case. That would
be shut down a long time ago.
Speaker 3: That right, exactly that's what. That's what I'm always like,
you know, I don't. I just don't think that that's possible.
Speaker 2: Steve also taken by the Jaws episode because he says
an Irish language teacher was meant to teach us creative
writing when we had transition years, which is meant to
be a year between exam cycles, but instead the teacher
spent six weeks playing Jaws on loop.
Speaker 3: I got no problem. That's fine, I got no problem
that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 3: That's a win.
Speaker 2: Just wonderful, just wonderful to be able to recall that
memory from members of the Solar System. Sean Hemmings, thank
you very much for the increase in pledge, my friend.
We appreciate the vote of confidence. Bryce writes, I can't tonight, sweetheart.
The boys have sent missives. Must be a fucking feedback show, baby,
Scott Michael, I cannot accurately describe the speed with which
I just isolated from everyone in this house as soon
as I saw this week's under the cinemat. Jaws is
an all time top five for me. I was absolutely
obsessed with this film when I was a child. I
own collectibles. I've gone to cons just to see props
from the film, and one year I even hit the
Universal Studios ride ten times in one weekend. Wow, because
a storm kept a lot of people out of the
park and I could not get enough of that shit. Anyway,
we're gonna need a bigger ass. I see you, Chris.
Not only do I see you on your way to
the show on August third, but I also see that
you already have a play to stop off at a
particular HOGI shop in Delaware. Here we go for the
Asella stop Rover on the way up. So folks are
not only making tracks to join us August third at
the Comedy Village, but they already have their train rides
sandwich lined up. That's it. I mean, that's a beautiful thing.
It's very simple. Paul Cogan had an interesting point on Jaws.
He said, he's pretty sure and apologies if you talked
about this and I just don't remember it. I'm pretty
sure that in the original script, Hooper was supposed to
die in the cage scene, but when they looked at
the footage of the real shark destroying the cage, there
was nobody in it, so it wouldn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Kinds I I believe that there is some truth in that.
I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Spielberg thought the footage was so good he wanted it
in the movie and just shot an extra scene of
Hooper's scooping instead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember. There there is
some there's some truth in that. I believe, I just
don't remember the whole story.
Speaker 2: He also writes the Jaws poster, but Hogan is the
swimming girl, Intenta is the shark. Oh, there we go,
and that's probably a good shirt. No, we should consider
making yep. Can you imagine? He also asks how horrified
Terry would be if he heard someone say the shark
is not working. Ooh because MSG one nine six eight
ninety nine. Thank you very much for your pledge, and
welcome in to the executive producer, to your Carlos Dallion.
Austin looks down at his phone. The notification shines up
at his face. He looks up. Did you see that?
Cue the dolly zoom. Everybody get out of the water.
I can see Steve fitting in.
Speaker 3: Could you imagine? That'd be absolutely amazing?
Speaker 2: Talking about why you can't see great white sharks in captivity.
Josh has some insight, some species of shark, he writes,
could be successfully kept in human care, but not Great whites.
They are made to roam the open ocean, and they
have colossal ranges thousands of square miles in some cases,
in which they live and hunt. Several attempts have been
made to capture and hold Great whites, but they always
end up slamming into tank walls and refusing to eat
until they either die or get released back into the ocean.
There's always something that is fucking commitment to the craft
right there. This is one of the more electrifying ones
we've gotten on Patreon in a while. This is a
as part of our recent Night of Champions live call
from Saudi Arabia the Homiest Salmon, and he writes, as
a member of the Solar System working the Middle East territory,
He's on the ground out there, boss flying the lapsed
flag in this sound. I had a chance to go
to this as the land of Saud is right next
door to where I'm based. These Saudi tickets are way
cheaper than what TKO was priced for the US and
Europe shows, twenty two d dollars for he writes for
a general seat. So whenever we watch these Saudi shows
and think of the tens of millions they're getting paid,
and that is happening. It's that building is not full
because people are paying TKO premium prices. That is very
satisfying to know. Had mixed feelings, he writes on Punk
even coming here. Happy to see him come to this
side of the world. But obviously the controversy of these
events is understandable, and he's under a specific microscope. You
couldn't script an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm with more
things that could have gone wrong for him in terms
of online reaction to what happened to him this weekend,
from the kid getting snubbed to checking in with front
Bro Mohammed, which was replayed in the building on SmackDown.
So maybe it was planted to the promo to the
finish of the match. I like the match for most
of it, and Saudi fans do give a great atmosphere
at these but I think Punk is gonna wish this
was the Saudi verse and get back to business of
still feuding with Seth for another nine months, and he
said this, I can't believe you wrote this, considering where
we stand today. He followed that up with a quote,
Hulk finally passing is going to be weird outlasted his peers,
but reputation is worse than ever. They are younger fans
who are going to celebrate it, and older ones are
going to feel mixed, but ultimately sad for reasons beyond
just as death. If that Netflix debut was the last
time we see him in WW, what a sad way
to go out. But what were we told about? Pain?
Can't even imagine how a lapsed tribute would go with
things already covered. But it'll be deserved. That is an
oracle operation right there.
Speaker 3: You're damn right well, just you wait.
Speaker 2: Mardies, do you wait? Martif? Thank you for the increased pledge,
Miley Ripley, thank you very much for the cake. Welcome
in Hario Vargas. We love it. Thank you very much.
Antonio writes to your co chairs. My name's Tony from LA.
Been listening to you guys since King of the Ring
ninety four and I've never looked back. Recently, I was
in a car accident in April that messed me up badly,
broken hip, nerve damage and muscle damage. It's been a
pretty rough couple of months. Depression, emotional damage and physical damage.
What's been getting me through these months? To keep fighting?
Take a guest, boss. Some podcasts stuck up your ass
by being about the pain. We help people through the pain.
Can we say this? Can we say this?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, we are your therapy. We are not your therapist. However, Yes,
I listened to at least two to three episodes a day,
Antonio says, with all the time I have since the accident,
it feels like it's not enough episodes. Thank you for
pounding my ass through these tough moments, and if you
can bless me, if you guys can do backlash O
three would mean a lot, especially during this difficult moment.
He's looking to get a show in thank you and
like the APA shirt says, keep me doing ass. I
don't think Hogan's on that show. I looked, No, no,
that that's the that's the one you you went to
that one. It's Worcester and wester Yeah, with the Goldberg
and Rock, you're gonna you're gonna be fully healed, Antonio
by the time that one comes out. But I'm sure
you'll enjoy it when it does, and we'll be thinking
of you when it happens. But that's the kind of
thing I mean. Okay, any of us could get hit
by a bus, any of us could get waylaid by
an illness, any of us could break a leg or
break an arm, or be laid up for months at
a time. And what's you're gonna tell me it's not
better to have in your rotation and routine such a
low ask form of entertainment like the laps fan Wrestling
podcast to lean on. Yeah, you're gonna tell me that
it doesn't go by so much faster for someone in
Antonio's position, where you doesn't have to sit there and
be alone with this thoughts of how limited he is
physically in mentally is the result of what happened to him. Cay,
tell me that's not real. Okay, fucked, Hey, yeah, give
me a break. Of course it's real. Perhaps the only
thing that is real or great midget, My great grandfather
was a local jobber for the Buffalo Bill Show in
the early twentieth century in Iowas. Tell the people why
that's relevant, Well, that's.
Speaker 3: That's the Buffalo bill that we talked about, the Buffalo
Bill Show during once upon time in the West under
the cinemat So that's pretty that's what.
Speaker 2: Were those shows.
Speaker 3: Those shows were. They were live shows. They were they
were basically the the original Western because they were shows
that and and again we talked about how fascinating it
was that these were these were wild West shows being shown,
being being done live, while there was the wild West
was still in existence, right, or was if it wasn't
necessarily still in existence, it was going away, or it
was very close, you know, you know there was. It
was just pretty it was very recent.
Speaker 2: It was you could convince people they were creating a
real live cowboy, right, someone who had loved it, someone
who had done it. And so it was like basically
it was it was some k fabe shit amazing talking
some wrestling stuff. Yeah, Buffalo Bill comes to town. Come
watch him in his fucking you know frontiersmen ways. Yeah,
So work rate Midget says, my great grandfather was a
local jobber for the Buffalo Bill Show in the early
twentieth century in Iowa, Wisconsin. As it was explained to me,
when they came to town, they needed extra horses and cowboys.
Cowboys in the sense of being able to ride saddle
and bareback. So depending on the need of the performance
e g. Headcount you were either a soldier or a
native sometimes both in the same day. That's get the
jobbers booked. Yep, Craig writes on one of our episodes, Yes,
this is a most explosive TNT show, which, as we
discovered as part of the Colosseum collection, is really one
of those great windows in a Vince McMahon's psyche in
terms of word choice and subject matter choice and all
the things that TNT tells us about how Vince's mind works.
Craig says, Vince says the phrase at fifty one to
fifty six hopsack race instead of just you know, a
sack race, and I'm not even sure how to feel
about it. He goes full Vince and has to rename
it to something no one's ever said.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like he was trying to say, like
a mix of Hopscotch and a sack race.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, it's true he's so obsessed with adding words.
Why say something in three words that you could say
in twenty one words. That's Vince McMahon's strategy, that's Vince
McMahon's philosophy. And so we sit here with and then
from there and nonetheless that, notwithstanding all the shit unbelievable, Kevin,
Kevin Grimwood, thank you very much for your pledge on Patreon.
Christopher fucking delineated it as part of that aforementioned WWF
explosive TNT show coverage. How about these aforementioned it's Love's
that word obligation therefore clearly states the lady in question.
Oh and he writes with what a maneuver is my
free square? I have Vince Bingo for that mating game sketch.
I do like the idea of Vince Bingo. I really
really do.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I like the idea. It's great to
hear from from Fred. Remember up how the Purple Parrot?
Of course, it's how can I forget? I mean now?
And then you know a Solar System member that you're like,
I wonder how he's doing. You know, we used to
hear from him a lot. We don't hear from him
as much, and that's fine, but you know, you do
wonder did they stop listening to the show, did they
stop caring about wrestling? Did they fall in love? Did
they find another twist in this long road of life
that takes them off the lapsed path. But it was
great to hear from him, and and I know, since
you've shared the ring with him, it might be appropriate
for you to share what he wants to share.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, in the words of two thousand's butt Rock Band
and w favorite Stained, it's been a while, it's been
a huh oh yeah, yeah, all right, all right before
Fred shares thought well, I appreciate him thinking and talking
in third person. Before Fred SHARE's thoughts, one friendly reminder
that a little birdie is lurking. The purple is always
watching from up in the trees. Anytime you're ready to
do it again. Yeah, I get that win back, brother.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: As I type this, I'm riding in an RV up
the West Coast with the woman you met when she
was my girlfriend. She has now been my.
Speaker 2: Wife for two days.
Speaker 3: He now, congratulations, But I don't think I knew that
see him on social media, But congratulations man. We walked
out of our wedding to the tunes of Edge is
Gay he sees queerly. I mean really, yes, it was
the actual song, but even at my wedding, I can
never unhear those words.
Speaker 2: Yes understood, Thank you, Omar for that one. That's yeah,
that's from Omar. That's right here, it's Omar. Omar would
do that all the time. Long time listeners might remember,
by the way, they might remember the purple parrot from
the episode we did about what it's like to be
on Wheel of Fortune. The whole interview for him, Oh yeah,
we did because he did a it was a Hopper show.
It's a Hopper show. Well I think it was I'm
show was something, or it was the mail bag interview.
We just we tucked it in somewhere because we heard
that he had done Will a Fortune. It was his
lifelong obsession, and he noticed all the little details that
anybody used to watch that show would want to know.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's tremendous. He's like and then's like he's like part
of a like there's like a because he was brought back.
Two he was brought back for I forget what it was.
It was like kind of like a like a favorite
you know, favorite guests or something, because you know him
him getting choked out by Pat Sajack was was like
a meme for a while, right, that's right, that's yeeah.
Speaker 2: Celebrities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they brought I think they brought back
a bunch people who's like kind of part of this
like fascinating little club of of famous or memorable Wheel
of Fortune contestants.
Speaker 2: So it's pretty cool. I enjoy seeing his posts about
stuff like that.
Speaker 3: We're currently driving through the mountains while at her request,
listening to your series on the Benoa tragedy. Oh my god,
really bless her heart. Morbid and disturbing stories are being
shared of drugs and cover up, some corruption and a
madman who took innocent lives with him as he was
eaten alive by the business, all the while being adored
by us for it. Shame and pain. You know what,
we have never been more at peace. Seven years in
the Solar system, five years as a couple in TLF
is still the soundtrack to our lives. Anyone asks me
for a podcast recommendation for a specific occasion of circumstance,
I cut them off before they even qualify what occasion
they're asking about. The answer is that fucking cast one
hundred percent of the time. Just like I made a
vow to my new bride to love and cherish and
supporter for all eternity. I vowed to my co chairs
to keep my ass open, yes and ready, Yes for
the casts, periodical poundings, forever and ever.
Speaker 2: Amen, much love and thank you for seeing a man.
That's the kind update we're looking for. Salute from the road, pal,
We'll see a out in the way. I was just
thinking about the Renaissance Rumble Show the other day. Yeah,
and uh, man.
Speaker 3: No, you know, i'd be lying if I said I
didn't every now and again go back and just take
a look at it. I think it's it was fun.
It was so much fun. It's I had such a
good time with that one. Absolutely, I'd get you know,
I suppose there could be one more. There could be
one more left. I don't know if yeah, right, one
and more Mad for Boss Adkinson.
Speaker 2: Makes all the sense in the world. Now, what a
finish to that little mini documentary where everyone's like, you
should actually do this? Man. Oh, I know there was
a moment, there was like there's a moment. There was
a moment I was there was a consideration. But no,
I would say we've learned too much. We know too
much about that world. Jeff writes. When TLF begin their
Colisseum collection journey. I don't think I could foresee Don
Morocco channeling Sesame Street's Bert while splurging pathetically onto his
stomach after getting oiled down by mister Fuji. That being said,
I'm not that surprised either. Well, the Calle collection takes
this in strange places. Spell That's all I can say,
Mike Palm, thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome
in Carlo Stallion rights. The primary act of Carnival is
the mock crowning and subsequent decrowning of a Carnival king.
Did you know this? It is a according to an academic,
I suppose dualistic, ambivalent ritual that typifies the inside out
world of Carnival end quote, the joyful relativity of all
structure and order. I do really like wrestling described as
the joyful relativity of all structure and order. Yes, that
sounds like postmodernism, right, sure does? This is from Botkin.
I think a Russian philosopher. He knew a lot about Carnes, Okay,
Carlo writes. Botkan identifies four principal categories of the Carnival
sense of the world, familiar and free interaction between people.
Carnival often brought the unlikeliest of people together those ordinarily
separated by impenetrable socio hierarchical barriers. The suspension of dits
between people encouraged free interaction and free individual expression. Yeah,
I can't help think of how wrestling shows in the
territorial days were always talked about in Memphis and Chicago
and some other cities as some of the first integrated
live sports events, where black fans and white fans would
sit next to each other and sort of share in
an entertainment experience in a way they really didn't share
anything else in society at the time. Eccentricity. With the
dissolution of hierarchical relationships, ordinarily unacceptable behavior becomes acceptable behavior.
Gesture and discourse that are normally considered eccentric and inappropriate
are encouraged, permitting the latent sides of human nature to
reveal and express themselves. Carnivalistic messy alliances. The familiar and
free format of carnival allows all dualistic separations of the
hierarchical worldview to reunite in living relationship with one another.
Heaven and hell, the sacred in the profane, the high
and the low, the great and the small, the clever,
and the stupid. But enough about.
Speaker 4: Sunday, August third, at noon, the lapsed fan takes on
Times Square tickets at Comedy Village dot com. There goes
the neighborhood, you fucking bitch, and finally pro dot com,
there goes the.
Speaker 3: Neighbor shut up, you fucking.
Speaker 2: Bitch, and finally profanation. In the carnival, the strict rules
of piety and respect for official notions of the sacred
are stripped of their power. Blasphemy, obscenity, debasing, bringing down
to earth celebration rather than condemnation of the earthly and
body based that friends, Carlos Stelling.
Speaker 3: I heard is what we do? I heard that body
based Big fan.
Speaker 2: Craig writes, you do the lapse pilgrimage to Ocean City, Maryland,
like where they shot the Fuji vice as we discovered. Yes,
and you have to go to Atlantic General in Salisbury,
the hospital that Goldberg ends up after shattering the window.
It's screwing up his arm. Go to Salisbury. Yes, that's
Kevin Nash's line. Go to Saul's. Hey you, keV, I'm
right on it, buddy, because everybody knows what you mean
about this random city in Maryland. It's also where they
took me, he says, when I was hit by a
car in Ocean City when I was eighteen. Oh Jesus, Well,
Craig offers to cover desserts and drinks. So if we're
ever going to Ocean City, Maryland, we're work covered. Nowhere
to go, Jimmy Airy, thank you very much for the
increase in pledge, My friend, welcome in to our good graces.
We'll winthrop a seahawk. Remember Fuji and Don Morocco and
Fuji Wece are looking for the Seahawk drug dealer. Remember that, Yes,
I do, He says, a seahawk heavily involved with coke
in the eighties. I can't have been the only one
expecting a Brian Bosworth cameo. Uh, Steve Jack was correct.
It was a von Eric angle that Vince said, we're
turn off sponsors. Yeah, we were reading reading something that
he put in his magazine about how unlike other organizations
that are doing things that are too hyper violent. It
was one of those like you know how we're taking
over the National Television Producer's Convention and we're advertiser friendly
and I'm trying to remember what it was that Vince
was kind of throwing shade at, and it was the
Van Eric angle that Vince said would turn off sponsors
when Chris Adams Kevin Van Eric had the chair shut
thing and he busted Kevin like ear to ear, by
which point David had died and carried one then to
be a belt. So the courtship with Fritz and World
Class was on hiatus between Vince and Fritz. Of course,
Stephen also hopes that further expiration of TNT leads to
the coach heers discovering the lost episode of TNT that
never made it onto ww network. The only valid reason
for which I could find was that it had doctor
Jerry Graham on and Vince's visibly marking out to be
on TV with one of his heroes. Yeah, and one
of the more notorious human beings to ever be in
the wrestling business as well. There's also a very campy,
questionable swimsuit competition featuring Baltimore models that Vince McMahon MC's
at the end of the thing. As far as I
can tell, if you haven't noticed, I've seen it. He doesn't,
you know, do anything inappropriate or untoward that's very obvious,
but would love to know when they were poorting over
the whole TNT archive to the network and or peacock
that they decided to just leave that one off to
the side. We noticed. Yep, we noticed Jordan's CAPECI. Thank
you very much for your pledge, my friend, and thanks
for being part of what we do on Patreon. Andrew
just wants to drop a quick note. This is Drew
just saying, among other things, Boss, thank you. If you
could share it with the Solar system please. Hey, guys,
just wanted to drop a quick note to say thank you.
I've been a listener for a long time Patreon since
eighteen and a freeloader before that. I never really understood
would even dismiss how people could write in and say
how much the cast saved them during hard time. I'd
laughed to myself and think it's just a college podcast.
At the end of the day, it's just some high
quality con tent. Long story short, my week old son,
who decided to make his entrance a month early, had
some issues regulating his temperature. After a few days at home,
we ended up in the er where he had an
apnea episode and stopped breathing. Due to a rapid drop
in temperature hypothermia. They had a rush into to the NICU.
My wife and I were completely in the dark. No
one could tell us that everything was going to be okay.
Oh fuck.
Speaker 3: For a while, we truly thought we might lose him. Thankfully,
we were eventually reassured that he would survive, though he'd
need to be monitored closely so for the next week.
The NICU became our home. That first night, with emotions
running high and knowing he was sedated, I tried to
get some rest. I put on the first episode of
the Saboo Tributes and lost myself in the cast I've
known and loved for years, And in that moment, I realized,
you guys are more than just a college podcast, more
than content I enjoy that gets pumped straight into my ass.
I can't quite put it into words, but I finally
understood how people turn to you during the hard times. Daddy,
that time spending me and I see you taught me
a lesson in humility, gave me a new perspective on life,
and reminded me to never take anything for granted. My son,
now a month and a half old, is doing well.
His follow up visits have been positive and it seems
like this was just a small bump in the road.
Thank you for everything you do. Keep up the amazing work.
I'll always be listening and always look forward to the
next episode. Cheers, Drew. That's listen. I've said it before,
I will say it every time. It's not something that
I anticipated, it's not something that I sought out, But
I'm grateful that this that it has happened that way. Yes,
I'm grateful that we can be there. It's one of
the great side effects of doing this show. Yes, and
I am. I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful that we
could help you in that. I can't even imagine how
scary that was for you. And that's just Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been ten years worth of these letters by now.
There's something going on. There's something real, there's something additive,
there's something hopeful happening when we pick up the stick.
Because wrestling fans they have a hard time finding hope.
They do, yes, why they watch wrestling so religiously. They're
trying to find something to cling on to that they
can look forward to. And you know, like you said,
never by design, but always by effect your co chairs
there in that void. Brandon from Jersey, longtime homie and supporter.
I want to thank you very much for your support
in all these years, most recently via Patreon urgent Tavis,
thank you very much for joining the Executive producer tier.
Same to you, Simon. Really appreciate it. Mike writes, you
have said China, Paul Orndorff, and Bill Mercer were near calls. Okay,
that is to say people who when we heard about them,
we thought about picking up the phone and making it
a call, but they just didn't feel in the moment
like they rose to the level. He says, if you
could go back and do a tribute on any one
of those three, which of the three would you choose,
Boss China, Paul Orndorf or Bill Mercer.
Speaker 3: I'd probably say Mercer. Yeah, he had a fascinating life.
He did, and I feel like he he was a
I mean, Orndorf, I don't know like his if if
he had I feel like if he had continued as
well as he had throughout the eighties after Hogan, I
feel like that would have been he might have he
might have been more deserving. But it's like he he
kind of seemed like a flash in the pan. Yeah,
and then he was in WCW and you know, as
much as I love pretty wonderful, I don't feel I
don't know if he really accomplished as much.
Speaker 2: You know, But China, Mercer. The thing about China is
you can weigh and they have, God knows they have
overplay her impact in the business. But her story how
the business chewed her up and spit her out. Yeah, yeah,
how Triple H chewed her up and spit her out.
You know, I don't know if that's fair. Of course
it's not, but you know, you know what I mean,
how it appears from the sidelines the Triple and to
hear her tell it, Triple H chewed her up and
spit her out, And how that all led to the
Triple H becoming the fucking boss of the entire WWE, right,
And how she just found herself kind of despite a
very short tenure at the nexus of so many tectonic
plate shifts at WWF and the Attitude era and all
of that, and then within the McMahon family unit itself.
I think that's that's a fascinating thing. They've done some
great documentaries about her, so it's it's kind of trod ground.
It's not like we'd be doing like a stare at
like a a trademark dive where we're going to uncover
all kinds of stuff or talk about stuff in waste
people hadn't thought about before, because she's been analyzed in
that fashion six ways from Sunday. She was in her
last years being followed around constantly by documentary crew who
eventually put a documentary out. But I don't know. There's
a lot there in what happened, what China did, and
what happened to her. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I
guess if it doesn't warrant a call, it doesn't want
a tribute. That's just a basic rule. Yeah, which of
those three do you think you were closest to making
the call for? If they're all even, you can say
that too.
Speaker 3: It's funny. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think China. I don't probably China, because China dying
was like not just oh my god, the piece of
the childhood is gone, like the usual reason for the call.
It was also she's not gonna recover, She's not gonna
bounce back from the tailspin she went into after w
W E was done with her.
Speaker 3: Right, right, She's just gonna be known for fucking nextpok
on camera.
Speaker 2: I mean that would have to be part of the tribute, right,
we'd have to watch that along.
Speaker 3: Do a deep dive.
Speaker 2: That'll be our only fans the CoA chairs watch.
Speaker 3: Porn fucking watch wrestler porn, watch sucking the sunny, the
sunny porns watched the wrestling vixens.
Speaker 2: Find that old porn that what's her name? Chastity was
in from e c W. M Oh my god, that's
what or Major Guns was in one. Oh my god,
there's a nitro girl. I think No, no, that was
a UFC ring card girl. Oh my god, so funny.
Under the cinemat Once upon a Time in the West.
The comment from Craig Lasagna Westerns almost caused a two
car pile up. Shout out to Justin Jones for the
Patreon pledge we appreciated. Scott writes on JP's comment on
the amount of clothes people wearing the desert. As a
Vegas resident, the smart ones who work outside keep fully covered.
Yeah it's hot, but you got to protect your skin
at all costs out here.
Speaker 3: I get, Okay, I'm trying to remember what we were.
I guess it must have been once more time in
the West or whenever you see. It's not it's not
about that. I get that. I totally get that you
need to. It's it's the amount of clothing. And it's
the heavy clothing that you see them wear. That's the
part I don't understand, right, Why the heavy, dark clothing
that just makes me want to die. The thought of.
Speaker 2: It, I know it puts me in a compromise position,
just thinking about yeah, yeah, he says, it's a minimum wet,
light white and white long sleeve and usually athletic tights.
Speaker 3: That that, yes, you see, that's fine. It's the it's
the stuff that you see when they're wearing bulky clothing.
And I'm like, why can you why think about robes?
Speaker 2: Think about being one of those soldiers carrying one hundred
and fifty pounds of gear on your back, fully covered boots.
It is one hundred and thirty degrees in Iraq, No, no,
and your life is on the line, and you're dehydrated
and you're miserable, and you're miserable and you're gonna die.
What what do you want? It's what you don't want anything.
I'm I'm just making a point. Actually, I don't want something.
Speaker 4: Sunday, August third, at noon, Fan takes on Times Square
tickets at Comedy Village dot com.
Speaker 2: There goes the neighborhood. You fucking big, that's really where
we belong. Scott also wants you to know. And I
thought you'd love this, I always say, he writes, UTC
drops on Friday are so perfect. Listen to the episode
during the daytime, doing chores, do the watch along at
night as the reward, and being able to look forward
to the rest of the weekend and always fall asleep
after forty five minutes. Yes, it's lovely. A secret to
life man. In a lot of ways, it really is.
Speaker 3: Big fan, Big fan.
Speaker 2: Brian Blake, one of the real Cinophiles in the Solar
system and a long time supporter and a really solid
Sun bitch, writes to us regarding Fonda winning and acting
Oscar after getting an honorary one. We wondered if that
ever happened before wait wits again. Henry Fonda winning and
acting at Oscar after getting an honorary one.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, yes, yes yes.
Speaker 2: In terms of useless Oscar trivia, he writes, Paul Newman
and learns Olivier both won a competitive acting oscar after
winning an honorary one a year or two prior. I believe, wow,
he says. He believes. Also composer Ennio Morricone won his
Hateful eight oscar after getting an honorary one. Is yes,
that is true. That is true, And he says. Harold
Russell is the rare trivia answer for winning both a
competitive oscar and an honorary one for his supporting performance
in Best Years of Our Lives. He was an amateur
actor and a disabled handless World War Two vett who
was assumed to have little chance of winning. Harold is
also why the Academy institutor rules selling off oscar as well.
That's a fascinating thing. He he gives you. I mean,
that's that's didn't didn't Billy.
Speaker 3: Graham sell off his ring?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is a Hall of famer sold off a
lot of things, and I think that was among them.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's tremendous.
Speaker 2: All the time has come, will Winthrop bt sports co chairs.
Unlike WWE, real sports seasons do end, therefore giving me
more free time to finally send an email that's been
in the pipeline for many months. With WW signing a
deal with Netflix, we have officially reached the end of
their partnership with BT Sports Wow, which is now confusingly
known as TNT Sports on these shores, to commemorate this
movie exactly, you absolutely nailed it t n T Sports. Dude. Really,
I mean we're just gonna blow this wide open right now, dude.
Speaker 3: Brother, Yeah, I mean who you've been talking to about?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? You can call it d n T like.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: Did you talk turkey with her brother?
Speaker 2: You don't know, whole cloaking an answer, Bro, what you're
talking You're talking to Bill? You're talking to Bill Shaw?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 3: Wait you right, you can talk to Harvest Schuler. Did
you did you shield brother?
Speaker 2: You shill for the Shulster tiss and his ah? Did
you talk to the talk to brother?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Noises sounds brother brother brother brother brother with the very
concerning head spinning like a veladine lidar. Okay on top
of a way mo. With WW signing a deal with Netflix,
we've officially reached the end. To commemorate this milestone, I
feel it's only right to follow in Mark mccol's footsteps
and to leave my boots and fake mm A gloves
in the middle of the ring and for one last time,
provide a compilation of comments left on BT sports facebook page.
Below is the photo BT uploaded, thanking WWE for the
memory as well. It's pretty quiet, pretty crazy. Let me
let me share that with you. This is moment. This
has been a mailbag staple for years and years. And
get it another thing that the Netflix era just ruins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Netflix sucks. Wow, look at that. Thanks for the memories.
I mean it's funny too, like you know, you're seeing
makes of the memories. But it's like everybody who is
currently on roster except for is John Cena there? No
he's not there. No he's not w W Champion John
Cena is not there. The Rock's there though, the Rocks there.
Triple Ah has got a little better position, but I
don't know, they're like they're like right close there. Sure
Rock has no business if you're not gonna Rock has
no business. Triple H has no business being on this
fucking poster, none of them. Do. Look at that, brother,
TNT Sports, dude, it's.
Speaker 2: Really weird to see the TNT logo right underneath WWE. Yep,
intellectual property aka the wrestlers. So what do you say
when I want to go one by one in Uh?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Through what people commented on the finals Goodbye WWE article
on at Sports absolutely do we'll start. Let me get
the let me pull it up here this waitte is
uh the oh yeah here it is? I get is
how the general public marked their appreciation will winthro brights.
It wasn't much of an era. Lao. Pathetic. The whole
thing is pathetic. Who actually follows this? That's that's a
great one. TNT have realized it's not sport. Okay, never
watched anyways, end of the script. It's good silly eank
wrestling will not be missed at all. Yeah, it's supposed
to be a sports channel, not theater. Good ribbits. Oh
I love how angry as Oh.
Speaker 3: None of it's real.
Speaker 2: For Fox sake, WWE has been unwatchable for over a decade.
A huge success for T and T getting rid of
that dead weight. I'm surprised people even pay a subscription
to watch wrestling. It's fun when you're like six years old,
cringe when you're full grown in dullas Sunday off. That's
so true. WWE is not sport, it's entertainment. The clue
is in the title. Get that as a T shirt factory.
Speaker 3: Man, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: We just set up an API, just pumped these comments
right on a T shirt. Good.
Speaker 3: That's so brilliant. WWF Yes, I said it died in
the nineties. Now it's just a circus act WCWNW.
Speaker 2: That's that's more like it. There's a little lot of
t peeking through, right, Uh huh. Great news. Hopefully TNT
can put some actual spot in its place. All the
so called grown men crying over a bunch men fake
fighting in tights isn't on the TV anymore.
Speaker 3: Grow Up.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. That's a really good one. All
the so called grown men crying over a bunch of
men fake fighting and tights isn't on the TV anymore.
Grow Up, grow Up.
Speaker 1: A wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's lapsed fan
wrestling podcast with Jack and Cap.
Speaker 3: So that's it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for being boring, that's the comment. Replace it with
ease senders. Replace everything with these senders. Who on earth
would pay money for a pantomime spot? All rehearsed, staged,
and fixed. Biggest swindle in town. I think window oh man,
all rehearsed, staged, and fixed.
Speaker 3: Let's fucking go foal, Let's fucking go.
Speaker 2: Just shadow of its formself anyway, the golden days, when
the eighties and nineties, when the real character is not
like the cardboard cutouts. Now, can you imagine trying to
make that qualification while other people are in the chat
saying this is the This is like impossibly cringe to
even consider watching. Oh, actually it was a lot better before.
Shut the fuck up, man, good good stick. Wait a minute,
good stick, More football on. Here's a good one. There's
another one. We should put on a T shirt.
Speaker 3: It was never a spoil.
Speaker 2: That one cuts.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: WWB is boring, that's it, says someone wrote that. Someone
went on the article and wrote that I don't.
Speaker 3: Need That's what.
Speaker 2: You can. Finally cancel subscription has been making us pay
for this alone. God thing. We're with you, whatever your
name is, fucking Gretchen or whatever your name is. WW
is fake wrestling. Ain't nobody gonna miss that bullshit on TV?
Fake wrestling?
Speaker 3: Its right, not as good as it was back in
the eighties and nineties the WWWE.
Speaker 2: Someone just wrote the Losers.
Speaker 3: Very popular.
Speaker 2: God knows why if I paid one peep per year
for it and I feel like they I feel like
you were stealing my eyes. Still doesn't make it real,
so I can't sorry them.
Speaker 3: Leaving still doesn't make it real.
Speaker 2: I stopped watching WWE wrestling over sixteen years ago. Knows
the exact day too. Huh. Yeah, put more UFC things
on and replacement actual combat instead of bad actors. Yeah,
the worst acting in pathetic Grown men League, worst acting
and pathetic grown menly cringe. It is so gringe, it
really is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It is no loss. WWE hasn't been good in decades, bomy.
I thought they died or something, just not on TNT anymore.
It turns out someone else wrote fuck off. That's all
they wrote. Oh, I used to watches as a kid.
How can you take that shit seriously as a fully
grown adult. People out here calling it a sport like
it's not made up athletic acting. Come on, guys, Logan
Poles running around like he owns the gaff. You got
people fighting YouTube as dressed as prime bottles. Jeez, what
a load of top let's go, let's go, let's go.
It goes down like fucking Nando's. Let's taste it. How
oh shit, people dressed as prime bottles. A load of
tough is the best thing ever. I gotta find that
slang slang load of top, give me more, seriously, load
of tough British slang phrase used to describe a group
of people who are perceived as being from the upper
class are wealthy, often with a negative connotation of snobbery.
Oh interesting, Okay, okay, so it's upper class, okay, full
of juice monkeys and Latex ain't missed it since the nineties.
Juice monkeys in Latex. He said, how does an unknown
bleach blonde woman get a marquee spot on this poster?
Do tell correct question? And to replace w W E
two and are you reading ahead? Is that what you're doing?
I haven't done. Just okay, you do it? You read this?
Replace and replace w W E T N T. Spots
are going to be showing live Tidle Wings.
Speaker 4: Life.
Speaker 2: It's not taped, not at all. We're live from Wembley Winner.
We're a live Timney Wings competition is underway.
Speaker 3: Yes here we are once again live Tilly Wings Wembley Stadium,
the sport to end all sports. We are at the
TWE Tiddley Wings Entertainment.
Speaker 2: Drop did you say Tindley Winks Entertainment t W Tidley
Wings Entertainment. That's what they replaced Timm W with. There's
some guy man. He's in Leads or he's in Wigan.
I don't know where he is man, but he's in
Brighton or he's in the hall. He sat down and
he typed that, and here we are all these weeks later.
Oh my god, com losing our ship because that's what
you get for reading your head. By the way, Oh
my god. It's good stuff, though, Who watches this prescriptive
rubbish must be so bored pre scripted as opposed to
post You must be postscripted. You must be so, you
must be so bored that you're watching this shit. It's
a good hit. That's such a deep cut, that's tremendous. Yeah,
I don't watch it anymore. It's shite now absolute bum liquors.
Good now you have money to pay for proper sports.
WW is the worst it's been for a long time.
Surely no loss for TNT sports. Harmless harmys there's a
fucking T shirt. Hardly a sport anywhere anyway. Oh look,
the circus is leaving town.
Speaker 3: And all those brands are so bad now. Fatality is
so bad it's not even enjoyable. Wrestling died in two
thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Really, oh here, it is not really sport? Is it
should be on a children's channel.
Speaker 3: It's like on after Sesame Tree.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, should be on a children's channel. Prioritize
in wrestling over football coverage was the downfall of BT sports. Wow,
WWE still exists, fair play.
Speaker 3: It must be real if Netflix is picking it up.
Speaker 2: So William concludes, not an especially fawn farewell from the public.
Hopefully they'll be oh my god, Hopefully they'll be more
appreciative when ww coomes groveling back to TV after they've
booted off Netflix, once they've swept up the rights for
real sports and no longer have any desire for coordinated combat.
I should also note that I peeked back in for
that first Netflix raw that you did a live call
for perhaps the worst wrestling show of all time and
probably the last wrestling show I'll ever watch in full,
pure adulterated shite. The fact I canceled my Netflix subscription
two weeks later. Was not a coincidence other malebatic musings.
I rely on Jack going on old man rants to
give me cathartic release. And when he mentioned the jackass
Pat McAfee being all over the place when he watches
ESPN a few months ago, I was hoping he'd rant
on something that is a major annoyance for me. But alas,
I'm going to have to prompt him. When, why and
how the fuck did we as a society decide that
every sports analyst had to pair their suits with the
whitest crispus sneakers available. Yep, yes, this is so true.
Speaker 3: Also when did it?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 2: Look, he writes, just good, be a fucking adult and
put some proper shoes.
Speaker 3: That's basically what I was going to say. I was
going to say, why why are we? Why are we
wearing sneakers? It's a great question. I I listen, and
this is coming from somebody who ended up having to
buy sneaks. Did I tell you? Did I tell you
this story about the wedding that we went to in
the city, So we go, we'd go to black tie
wedding in New York and after the ceremony there this
was the fucking worst. After the ceremony, there was a
three hour break between the ceremony and the reception, starting
the cocktail hour. It's like you got a bunch of
people dressed up in gowns and tuxedos wandering around the
Upper east Side looking like complete goofs. Okay, And so
I ended up. I had I had some I had
actually i'd worn my wedding shoes for the first time
I'd worn them since my wedding, not realizing that the
glue to my souls was dead. And so we leave
the ceremony and all of a sudden, I feel like
something flapping on my foot, like what the fuck is this?
And the soul just falls right off. Oh my god.
I'm like, oh, okay, well that happened.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I had brought sneakers, thank god. But and then and
then as I'm walking, you keep walking, the second falls off.
I know. I'm just like, so I'm walking around with
no like just it's just a complete disaster. And so
my wife says, all right, there's a foot locker. Let's
just go there and get you some shoes. So keep
them again, tuxedo down, we walk into foot locker, and
I ended up buying not by choice, but because they
were the only ones that look kind of, you know, classy,
but these black air Jordans, And so I got these
air Jordans on my fucking but like again, we're buying
them these you know what, one hundred and fifty dollars shoes,
which I which I criticized my kid for wanting all
the time, and yet here I am buying them out
of necessity. And but I have to say, I'll tell
you what the difference though, is this they were black,
they weren't white. Wearing a suit and white sneakers is stupid.
Sneakers available, wear black sneakers. At least wear black sneakers
or some a darker color unless you're wearing a white suit.
I suppose then that would work. But like, come on,
be an adult and match your fucking clothes, all right.
Can't let him down, can't let well down. So millennials
decided that collecting sneakers said something about how in the
know you were. I don't know how this happened, but
that was what a lot of millennials decided to do.
Once they got into the workforce and started to generate
disposable income. Is they decided to start flexing their their
knowledge of the culture by wearing sneakers to work. Listen, listen, listen.
It's just an excuse. And I don't have to wear
fucking to not get dressed. That's all anyone sees. That's
what it is. That's all it is, unless you're I'm
not like mind, I don't, I don't. I don't fault
people for that, but what I think, but don't act
like you're wearing fucking adult clothing.
Speaker 2: Millennials fell hard for this idea that we're going to
take streetwear and we're going to charge four hundred dollars
for it, and so you can wear what you wore
in junior high school but feel luxury at the same time. Right,
and a lot of the luxury brands were happy to
capitalize on this. Pretty soon, Prada had sneakers that looked
like they were Nikes. What are we doing here, like
air Force ones, Well, I don't know what we're doing
here is making money. Because these fucking tastes are so pathetic,
we'll just cater to them in colors.
Speaker 3: This is why, this is why it bothers me that
that like that that that you know, there's this confusion
over where our generation lies in terms of you know,
and I don't like being included as a millennial.
Speaker 2: I know we are.
Speaker 3: I don't like that at all at pisses we're.
Speaker 2: The working stiffs now, millennials are the working stiffs.
Speaker 3: I just I just don't like being cluded. I don't
consider myself to be a millennial at all. I think
I'm some I'm I'm I don't like it. I don't
like it at all because I don't identify with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah I identify X, right, but I'm not you know, right,
I know we're in this weird like the these kind
of early to mid eighties berths are these is this
kind of weird neutral zone, Yeah, where like you kind
of fit into a bunch of different ones.
Speaker 3: And just I'm like, no, fuck that, it's all.
Speaker 2: It's it's part of the same cycle of like, you know,
we get into our thirties and forties and we try
to collect all the things that we wanted as kids
but we couldn't have, and the market's still there because
it's not like the next generation of kids wants any
of the shit. So our dumb ass adults. Wallets are
opening for this stuff. And yeah, sure we'll sell you sneakers.
If you're going to pay three hundred dollars for them
so you feel good wearing them to work, that's fine.
We'll do that. And pretty soon all dress shoe brands
have got to have the gum shoe underneath, and they
got to look like sneakers or like golf shoes almost.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's another thing about dress wear. It's like, why does
everyone suddenly start dressing like their fucking shooter McGavin. When
did this happen? When is everyone walking around on their
way to or from the golf course. That's not dress wear,
that's golf wear, that's sportswear. It's fine whatever, But but
he's right, there's like this guy like like, what's the
word I'm looking for? Pat McAfee kind of exemplifies it
a little bit, you know, like party animal jock. But
he's dressing up. He's got the fit. He'll say fit
like with a straight face, and he's just dressing down
what used to be.
Speaker 3: It's like a suit. He's he's like wearing he's like
wearing like a suit but with like a like a
wife beater and that ship.
Speaker 2: And I can't stand that there's certain things that are timeless.
You know, lock in folks before it's too late. Yeah,
it's definitely, I mean definitely like.
Speaker 3: A confusing We're gonna assume we're gonna be wearing fucking
bathing suits and uh uh you know, and and and
uh tube tops everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody have to dress all the time in a way
that's designed to remind you that they burn calories like
a motherfucker. Oh you know what I mean. Everybody's got
to look performance. Everything's performance. Now these are these look
like dress pants, but you can actually run a fucking tryathl.
Speaker 3: Why would you want to do that?
Speaker 2: It's that fucking high end active Oh God help us.
All it is is COVID got us so fucking comfortable
in our home clothes that we didn't want to leave them.
And people were able to convince us that they could,
They could three x the price of some of these things,
and and and and create a sense of luxury and
status around a fucking hooded sweatshirt, which is the ultimate
bum thing to throw on, which is fine. I love
a good hoodie. Who doesn't, But the idea they found
a way to charge us six hundred dollars for hoodies
is just the deep the deepest indictment of the species.
I can't becauly.
Speaker 3: Because you know why, because our kids will will they
they want to well, that's they want to spend. It
is a big problem. And wearing fucking you know, getting
getting my kids sweatshirts with all these fucking nineties bands
on them.
Speaker 2: I'm dressed for work, but I want you to know
I work out. I want you to know every fucking
second you're looking at me, I work out.
Speaker 3: Well that's fine, go work out, But why don't you
work in here? Okay, why don't you get dressed like
a fucking human and work in here and work out
on your own time.
Speaker 2: Everyone's got backpacks now because they have to put in
fucking six hours at the gym after work. Like what
do we doing, folks? Can we just like separate these things,
like compartmentalize them? Perhaps, but no, I gotta watch this
guy literally do like thrust squats and in dress clothes. Well,
does he does he have a Does he does he
have one of those uh those rising desks where you
can tread underneath?
Speaker 3: Yes he does?
Speaker 2: Yeh that's right, stand I read I read somewhere burn calleries,
So of course it's I like to walk and work,
which you're burning my patience. Hey helps me burn calories.
I come step to the mic and I'm screaming my
fucking ass off, So I guess, I guess it works
for everybody. Will also says feel like every email these
days must ask about cinemat qualifiers, so I shall follow suit.
This may have already been answered as I'm behind on cinemat,
But do real actors who play a character on a
wrestling show qualify, such as David Ketchner, who was the
original right to censor for a show or two, or
Leland Jones, who was one of the cops that tried
to arrest Goldberg for stalking Liz. I mainly asked to
make sure David Crumholtz, who start as the fake Drew
McIntyre and the Thunderdome apparently makes the Santa Claus as
cinemat eligible. Did he really don't know anything about this?
I don't know that at all. Oh my god, that's
really fesingring a thundered doome. Raw he likes a body
double for Drew McIntyre. I guess that's really funny. I
mean it all depends. I mean it's not that simple
per se, but like I like them to be more involved,
preferably and then just made a cameo. Then just having
made a cameo like like like you know, I'd say,
I'd say the best example, in my opinion, of somebody
who didn't actually even get in the ring but was
constant is Leslie Nielsen because of the ninety four Yeah,
he actually took you on TV pro right, can they
on TV for a month or more? You know with
all these little vignettes and stuff. So he's like, really,
that's a real connection. Yeah, I don't know. I'd have
to take a look. It's a case by case thing. Also,
it depends, it depends, I won't lie about this, depends
on how desperate I'm willing to put a movie. Of course,
you're old, you're just a human being. Yeah, but some
ridiculous ones. Oh there's a wrestling scene on a TV
in one scene, it's like, okay.
Speaker 3: Oh that totally that that listen that if they if
they are if they, I will say this, if the
if the director, because there's there there there, we've already
done one of them that that that qualified, that was
natural Born Killers. It's the only reason why I qualified
was because it was you know, and that to me
is the like. But if they if the if the
director whoever it is, Oliver Stone or the guy who
directed the movie The Fugitive sequel Us Marshalls decides to
focus the camera on TV that is featuring wrestling and
they don't cut it out of the film. That is
a definite qualification because there is a they chose to
keep that in. They chose to keep that in, and
that is a major qualification of it. But to your point,
like a cameo like all the raw gms, the guest
hosts and stuff like that. Yeah, I just it. It
feels a little too easy for me. But again it's
a case by case basis. I mean, honestly, David crumholdts,
you know, the Santa Claus, I would movies like that,
Christmas movies especially. It's like, I'm more than willing to
to to make exceptions for that because because I'm I
I love that.
Speaker 2: I can't believe the one It's a wonderful life that
you found. I thought that was never gonna happen. I know,
we're just like, sorry, I can't, man, I can't do it.
I was like okay, and then was and I went
running to my bookcase to get my It's a Wonderful
Life book.
Speaker 3: And the fact that he makes it on the screen
too is what's my So you know, that's the best
part is that he actually makes it. That's always you know,
when you have the actors who the wrestlers who are
in the movies, who are mostly background, they don't really
have a real part, it's it's it's so much more
satisfying when we can find them yeah and see them
and like say, hey, there they are, we got them.
Speaker 2: I agree. That's that really brings it home. Like Joe
Fowler an Independence Day, that you can see him is
so important.
Speaker 3: So hardly but he's there. Even Jola Creta like, we
couldn't see him in uh in uh Friends of Any Coil,
but we could see him in Jaws and that was huge.
Speaker 2: Now cute one of the Christmas movies and stuff, it's
August too early for pumpkin spice.
Speaker 3: Never never ever listen, They've they've been sought at Walmart,
they're already selling pumpkins spice. And I can't wait. August.
End of August. They've got to someone. Someone texted me
the date. They've got a p SL date. Listen the
moment it comes out. I don't care when it is.
It's fall.
Speaker 2: What if it's like a crafts I'll be drinking it
and I'll be wearing a big ass fucking coat. All right,
I don't care. I'm ready. I have found myself and
these dogs end of July. End of July, I'm ready
for for a fucking fall. I think that's what makes
me ask about it is I've now, I've now downloaded
that cadence myself, and I'm just I found myself in
some of these dog days, a summer kind of day
dreaming about the sound of leaves scraping on the cement
as they're blown down the street.
Speaker 3: Yes, just the idea of opening the door and it's brisk,
but it's not freezing, of course, not just brisk. Love
that love that feeling. Okay, I cannot wait for that
because he doesn't feel like that right now? Does it?
The door? Oh my god, it it feels like fucking
hell on earth. Just today was brutal. It was today,
It was fucking brutal. I so today was one of
those days. You could be in the car. You could
be in the car for an hour and a half. Okay,
your car is ice cold from air conditioning. You get out,
you have to go drop something off of the fucking mailbox.
All right, You're gone for thirty seconds tops. By the
time you get back, you're hot. Your car is a
fucking lava pit. It's like, it doesn't matter, it's that hot.
It was awful today. I want to shoot.
Speaker 2: People love that ship. They love when it's so hot.
Speaker 3: Man, Oh, I can't. I know. My wife's my wife
like she lives for the sun. She lives for the sun.
And I'm like, I want the sun to go away.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that say so much? Why can't it be gray outside?
I know, I mean, I don't want to be gray
per se, but I don't want the sun to be like,
you know, overwhelming my ship, right, I want to be
I want to think about other things than the fact
that it's one hundred degrees. But if it's a hundred degrees,
I can't think about anything else.
Speaker 3: And not to mention, like I go to walk my
fucking dog and this is that type of time of
year and he's just so humid and they're just fucking
gnats flying like the moment you walk outside.
Speaker 2: Then I was like, yeah, they do not call the
fuck down. And it's like they're like all over my face,
They're going in my fucking ears. It's just it's miss
what's there to recommend it? I know, I know, just
mosquitos nats die. It's great, just awful, says. If there's
one thing I know about the co chairs, it's that
you always appreciate being reminded of any pressing insight from
previous shows. Therefore, here's a quote from Jack on the
Summer Slam ninety seven episode when asked about the moment
that cemented him as a lapsed fan at three hours
nineteen minutes. Quote, when I realized that what wrestling was
going to be post WCW folding was Triple H and
his many ascents up the mountain, and everything was going
to revolve around him when he had the power to
make the hype about him. No matter what happens, who
comes in, or what storyline they book, it's basically about
Triple H. Either Triple H is winning or he's making somebody.
And that's still too much Triple H for me, And
even now in today's new world is Paul where he's
baby facing himself as the NXT mastermind, as this great
architect of WW accepting indie rific style matches, It's still
about Triple H. And I don't care about Triple H
that much.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so fucking.
Speaker 2: But in twenty seventeen, and given that Netflix show opened
with him revealed in the ring like a big like
a bad David Blaine trick, safe to say it's even
worse than before. Say who went into the Hall of
Fame this year? God, you recently mentioned The Pain off
the Pacific as an underrated journey. I feel they need
to admit that because of that journey, including a throwaway
riff on Larry's Bbisco visiting Tji Fridays.
Speaker 3: No, I don't remember that, but.
Speaker 2: I know immediately think of three things whenever I see
a sports announce their favorite restaurant, chosen order, and how
they address their waitress. For example, anytime I watch Sunday
Night football, immediately picture Mike Tirrico ordering a Ribie it
out back after the game and making the effort to
read the waitress's name tag such good stuff. I remember
Damn Jack being enraged to Wrestlingia thirty three for having
Pitbull concert five hours in and demanding to know who
on earth could want that. Well, we found the one person.
Darts prodigy Luke Littler was a kid in attendance for
the show. Okay, there's the darks darts. There are no products.
Well into darts. My friend will as well. At the darts,
I can tell.
Speaker 3: Like like like it's like being a bowling prodigy. All right,
I'm sorry, it's just not happening. No, I can't. I
can't stand by that.
Speaker 2: What's going to be in the Olympics for the first
time this year? They had break dancing last time, adding
something else ludicrous. Darts prodigy Luke Littler was a kid
in attendance for the show and now uses that song
as his entrance music because of that, it is the wow,
absolute bane of my life. Making that song a regular
part of my life is Vince's biggest crime. And finally,
over the past year, you've been asking people to say
what TLF means to them in honor of TLFX. Here's
my testimony. Because of TLF, I know what Jeff Town
is I sent an email to you five years ago
saying that I couldn't get the sound of Jeff's grandmother
playing the piano out of my head after watching it,
and you said I never would.
Speaker 3: You were right.
Speaker 2: Not a week goes by where that sound doesn't cross
my mind. So fuck you for that.
Speaker 3: It's all it's it's listen that that, you know. It's
like it's like when you go it's like when you
go to another country that has you know. I think
about the time I went to the Dominican Republican vacation.
I found out a year later that the place we
went to was a hub for malaria. Sure, and it's
like you're just you're just you're you're just consumed by
that now and you can't. I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I want to donate blood. I'm you know, I've never
been able to successfully donate blood.
Speaker 3: Ever. The first time I did, they hit two veins
and might they clotted like crazy, and so I couldn't.
I gave. I could only give like a quarter of
a pint, and it was like, no good. So that
was the first time. The second time was this time
after this vacation, and they said no because I wanted
to I want I need to find out my blood
type because my kid was being born. And so this
is right before we started the show. And and they said,
have you been to the Dominican Republican the last year?
It is yeah, well then we can't take your blood
because because you know, because that's a hub for malaria.
It's like, fuck me. And even this, even this last
the last time I did it, there was there was
a there was a place at my wife's work and
they were doing like a blood drive. And this is
the third time, okay, third time I've tried to give blood.
And their computers broke down and I couldn't wait, Like
I couldn't wait, Like I was there for over an
hour waiting for them to get their computers in the
fix and get their systems back online.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't do it. I had to leave. I
had to go to an appointment. It's like, I just
am not meant to give blood, not meant to donate
my fucking blood. You know. There are worse things.
Speaker 3: And that was for that was for a big reason.
This was maybe a year or two ago. There was
a reason too, because like like there was a lot
of I forget what happened where they needed blood. Oh yeah,
U earthquakers something maybe it was an earthquake or natural
disaster and there was like just a need for blood.
And I was like, all right, gladly, I want to,
but it just never works out.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, it's wacky.
Speaker 3: It's wacky. It's like, I mean, three times. I know
I haven't like tried a million times, but it's like
I just never been able to. It's just to me,
it's weird that in three times, I've never over over
the span of twenty six years, three times, and I've
never been able to give it.
Speaker 2: And you never tried to blade in one of those renaissance.
I guess seriously, it's that malaria thing about Dominican reminds
me of like, you know, like the Winner of twenty twenty.
Have you ever been to China? Have you been to
China lately? If yes, then you can't go on the cruise? Yea, yeah, guys,
we're going to contain the coronavirus. Yeah, okay, ok right right,
Steve the good old days, Steve back in the spot,
he says, and also Buffalo Bill Shows qualifies the Westerns.
Origin also qualifies all Westerns because it inspired one of
Bischof's failed business ventures and the beer thing you tried.
You can qualify any Western because of Eric.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, he says.
Speaker 2: You could definitely make a case for calamity. Jane is
in real life, she spent a fair bit of her
career working for Buffalo Bill. Hey, there we go, t Jane,
Jason Hangholm, thank you very much for your generous support,
Eric saying to you, Matthew Hardaway, thank you very much
for joining us in a big way on Patreon. We
do deeply appreciate the full throttle support. A reminder, you know,
if Patreon isn't your thing in terms of like a
recurring way to support the cast, you can always drop
a tip in our digital tip jar. Just type the
lapsed famite gmail dot com and your PayPal account and
you can send us just a one off payment. Michael
Hooper did that recently, said you know, hope you both
are well. Coachairs, keep on keeping on and man, that's
our day. Just to get a little bit of that support.
That way, that's like the new thing. Anyway. I see
all these video streams, it's like people are like donating
in real time. You know, like ching thank you to
get to get a shout out on the stream and stuff.
So it's no different than that. Zach writes, of course
Warrior was shady and full of shit, but it always
struck me as so bizarre how Vince Bruce at Hall
acted like it was this mic drop proof that Warrior
lied about the reason he missed shots because he hated
his father. Remember the whole thing about how his father
died and he went to the funeral and that's why
he no showed shows in the ninety six run Yep, yep,
and he couldn't possibly care that he died. Yeah, that
is pretty fucked up. He says, what other employer would
consider how close you said you were to your late
father as a basis to grant bereavement leave?
Speaker 3: Well, I believe in Well, First of all, I need evidence.
Oh you're all broken up about it, hump hell. I mean,
I mean, all of a sudden, you're caring about an
individual that I know for a fact you didn't care about.
Can I have evidence to show that your relationship got better?
Speaker 2: My business is going to be substantially impaired by this
decision you've made, and I fill on within my rights
to properly diligence the basis on which you're causing that impairment.
Speaker 3: If you know, I mean you're under contract with.
Speaker 2: Me, which means I can do it contract with your
father's funeral, right, So yeah, I take that.
Speaker 3: Where do we Where do we stand now? Are you
in breach of contract with your father by not attending
his funeral?
Speaker 2: Of course not? Or is that contract with him melon
void anyway because he's dead. You never cared a shit.
He never cared about you, and you never cared about him.
So if you need to go there, I need evidence
that you truly had a relationship. I don't need hard,
concrete evidence, whether it's pictures, letters exchanged through the mail, videos,
whatever I need. I need a significant amount of evidence
to prove that you had a true relationship and that
you are that you are suffering because I Jim will
not be taken advantage of because I'll tell you what,
you will not make me suffertly. I lost my dad too.
You don't see me citing it as a reason to
miss shots.
Speaker 3: In fact, I doubled down on work after he died,
and I'm gonna double down on your ass.
Speaker 2: That's how he deals with talent. Tyler aries. Thank you
so much for your generous pledge. Ray Sanson, thank you
very much for joining us on Patreon. Cliff writes, Okay,
I'm gonna give you this one. This is a first
time emailer, so that's that's always cause for celebration around
these parts. Oh, by the way, now that we just
finished the whole thing, Will Winthrop is the mail bag goat.
Oh I'm gonna say it right now. And I don't
know where we go from here if indeed the BT
Sports segment is no more, but that's how I'm gonna
miss it too. So many things trend just transitioning, you know,
so many things in the before times in the after times.
There's a line in the sand being drawn here at
the midpoint of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: But yep, the second half of that email lets you
know that he's still going to very much be in
contention even if he doesn't have that that resource available
to him. But let's hear from Cliff.
Speaker 3: And also, just so you know, so the bleach Blonde
that that one person was angry about is Live Morgan,
Live Morgan. Okay, Sorry, I stand I stand by that.
That's right.
Speaker 2: On brand for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep. Greetings co chairs and fellow connoisseurs of
consensual combats, right, consensual comp that's you listen to what
it is. I wonder if they have I'm sure they
don't because they don't have a union and they don't
have anyone, you know. But I was like intimacy coordinators,
like most like films have to have nowadays, you know,
in regards to given that it is a very much uh,
you know, physical contact form of entertainment, you know. First
time emailer, longtime e listener like that. I wanted to
send you both an email for a long time, but
I wanted to make my first message cats spirit. I
think now is the right time to reach out. I
came across your podcast in March of twenty twenty one
on a Twitter thread recommending new wrestling podcast mentioned TLF
and said it was worth a listen. Like for many,
the runtime was daunting at first, but that spring wasn't
easy for me. My grandmother and I basically had to
move out of our house for a week while it
was being bug bombed.
Speaker 2: That's the worst.
Speaker 3: It was not a fun time. I crashed in my
mother's living room for a week on an air mattress
and started that started deflating after four days. Yeah, that's
the worst feeling when when you're when you're sleeping on
an air mattress and all of a sudden, you can
you know that it's like wait a minute, like you
like you're laying on your stomach. You're laying your stomach,
but you're like sinking in the middle, and so you're
you know, to feel the hard ground. Yeah, yeah, that's
not good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And found comfort in the release of a video game
I've been looking forward to for well over a year
and this new college podcast I was quote trying out
that effortlessly distracted me for hours on end. Fast forward
four years, and I don't know when the quote trying
out period ended and the quote never stopping unquote period started.
But I guess that's all. That's how all addictions work. Right.
To say your pod became something of an obsession to
me would be an understatement. I created a spreadsheet to
catalog every show you did and their run times, were
they a Hopper winner, what journey they were a part of,
and if I've listened to it or not. It's a
work in progress. I create playlists in Spotify to keep
track of episodes and journeys. Does it matter to anyone
else that both parts of In Your House eight Beware
of Dog was six hours and fifty seven minutes total. Wow,
both parts the same time? That's crazy? No, But do
I love knowing that every show from nineteen ninety seven
clocks in at almost one hundred eleven hours. The Stark
Memorial Tour is eleven minutes shy of one hundred and
twenty hours long at your magnum opus. The journey I've
dove into three times, the lamentable tragedy of World Class
is eighty eight hours thirty six minutes long. I can't believe, actually,
that the WCCW World Class is less than Starcade. I
would have thought because that was just such a long,
a long period of time. But yes, it gets my
fucking dick hard knowing you've spent hundreds and hundreds, no
thousands of minutes buried deep inside me. Yes, staying there
until your are finished and holding on just a little
bit longer because you aren't finished yet, that's the right way.
That's it. That's it. We stay until we're finished, but
we hold on a little bit longer because we're not finished.
Speaker 2: Wow, Holy shit.
Speaker 3: I say all of this only to bring the mood
of the email crashing back down to earth for a moment.
I've struggled with an addiction for probably ten years now,
not realizing my seemingly vice was a crippling addiction until
I was making up excuses that after moving in with
my fiance to hide away from her at night to
indulge or would waste hours of my day when I
was home alone buried in my addiction, knowing full well
I would come out of the other side regretting every
second I just wasted beating myself up for the rest
of the day. Couple that with a recent diagnosis of
depression and a history of generalized anxiety, twenty twenty five
has been a to find dog shit year for me.
I've been off work since April as a result, and
I'm trying to find a new direction in life. Thankfully,
my fiance is incredibly supportive and has given me more
grace and understanding than I deserve. If she only, if
only she knew how badly I was cheating on her.
With the two of you, every spare minute I have
holding you both deep inside while I do menial chores
around the house or cooking our meals and making the
most boring tasks doable. Maybe she'd rethink her engagement. Maybe
she will when I get her a lapsed wife shirt.
Once we finally tie the knob couple.
Speaker 2: They're out there.
Speaker 3: This's happened. It's great, and I love that. I started
a blog a year ago and I've been having the
time of my life writing about wrestling from all over
the world. I've linked it at the bottom of the
of this email if you care to check it out
or shot me out. I can't stand reading pages that
only cover the current product and give bland boring play
by play write ups of what happened in the week.
Just recently, I covered a match from Deadlock Pro Wrestling
in twenty twenty four and an NWA Los Angeles match
from nineteen fifty one in the same post. I watch
and review everything and anything. I'm not picky. It keeps
me busy during the week and lets me explore this hokey,
insane world of body slam ballet for brainless buffs, Body
slam ballet for brainless Buffs. I've even started collecting in
old wrestling magazines and VHS tapes and digitizing them. In
my spare time, I'm working on my own coliseum collection
with THEWW network or with the WW networked out now
dead and buried for US Canadians. It's become my passion
and I want to explore it further and maybe even
make a couple of bucks off of my writing. Starting
my blog and expanding my wrestling horizons has given me
the courage to stop watching WWE Cold Turkey. I have
been fed up with the f for months now, but
kept watching p Le's out of habit and wanting to
keep up with the product. But the closer I got
to WrestleMania forty one this year, the harder it got
to justify watching this slop. If I heard, if I
heard Triple H say, oh come on, where the fuck
is it? What we do? There were God in an
interview one more time, I was going to throw myself
headfirst into a wall. I did a scorched earth blog
post about WWE and gave it up completely after seeing
a beat Rhodes in one of the worst Mania main
events I've seen in a long time. But that doesn't
mean I won't get my fix from my co chairs.
Once an addict, always an addict. I couldn't help myself.
I love your breakdown of the senior heel turn before Mania.
You both said everything I was thinking about this turn
and validated my fears that this was going to be
a huge stake. So after the Manium made event, I
was out running errands and I felt that itch. I
wonder where they thought of that main event. They couldn't
have been happy with it, I wondered to myself. Almost
an autopilot, I pulled out my phone and loaded up
the Patreon app, the same app I once gave a
musician a dollar a week to produce music I wasn't
listening to any more. The app I once gave a
dollar to a podcast I wasn't listening to any more.
The app I was using to follow people and be
a freeloading bitch. On the very same app, I am
now giving twenty two dollars a month for something that
is essential to my day to day life. I considered
backing out A week or two later. I'm unemployed, I thought,
I need to save money everywhere I can. Fuck it,
I'm canceling out her bullshit subscriptions to keep that ivy
hooked directly into my veins. The lapse fan is the
fucking truth, and I will happily die on this hill
for my co chairs. I wrap up this email by
saying thank you from the bottom of my heart. Thank you.
TLF has done more for me than some of my family,
my friends, and any amount of medicine has to help me,
has to has to help me keep going. Depression and
addiction can can kick rocks, and I am determined to
kick both of them and take you two along with me.
It's not easy, but nothing worth doing ever is. There
is light at the end of the time that I
that I still can't see, and I don't care.
Speaker 2: How long the road is ahead of me. I have
all I need to keep me going, buried deep inside
yours in sports fakery. Cliff, Salute, Salute Cliff.
Speaker 3: Damn right.
Speaker 2: We'll keep casting. That's all we can do. We'll keep casting,
Daniel writes. Vince explains ww T Saboo, it really makes
me laugh when laps Vince goes off on a one
sided conversation. I thought I would transcribe the one from
the most recent episode where Vince is explaining to Saboo
why he needs to do promos and become a real
WW character.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what.
Speaker 2: If we may do the Great Saboo fly in We
could create a toy with wings, the Flying Saboo. Then
we could have variations on the action figures. We could
have combat Saboo or Sabu the garbage man. You see,
the kids can create their own stories. We provide a template.
The kids can create their own stories. We provide a template.
It's so funny. Oh my god, Oh my god, that's
the funniest shit ever.
Speaker 4: Hear.
Speaker 2: We provide a template. You see the WWE And I
don't know if you're aware of this. We're a publicly
traded media conglomerate and we have offices in Connecticut, New York,
Los Angeles, Hong Kong, Australia, Toronto, Tokyo, different places. And
we provide a multitude of weekly content that is a
template for branching off into personal story telling. I couldn't
finish it. Hold on, and we provide a multitude of
weekly content that is a template for branching off into
personal storytelling. As we inspire others to create their own stories.
It's not.
Speaker 3: It's not even about creating, like fucking television shows. It's
about creating. It's about creating stuff that can then.
Speaker 2: Inspire kids to do storylines with their action figures. So
so you have to execute our story in order to
inspire others to create their source. And in doing so,
we involve the different aspects of this digital age that
we live in, dealing with all sorts of verticals and
return ROI very big on ROI and the Ara.
Speaker 3: You get it.
Speaker 2: You get it.
Speaker 3: You speak my language. You know, Oh my god, you
know something. You know, it's very funny. It's like it's
like I I I listen to this, you know, and
I'm like, oh my god, like like he sounds like Trump,
he speaks like tru guess. Yeah, you know you love
the Big Family.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like it's it's hilarious. Yeah, that's a
good point. Yeah, there's a little bit of that going
on here. You speak my language. And then I piped
in and said, your original ring name, as I understand it,
Pale was Terry s r O. I right, that's what
it was, Terry s Return on Investment. Okay, you're ready.
This is this brings it home. And Daniel took the
time to transcribe this That's how you know we hit
something big when someone writes us and just transcribes what
we said. Oh my god, that's right, that's what it was.
Terry s return on investment. I see no problem with
how we advance. Go forth, create, inspire, tell us story,
go forth, go forth.
Speaker 3: Go forth. Oh you know, this is this is the
this is this is what's I'm I'm, I'm what what
What makes me laugh about that is that? And and
in a weird way, it makes me angry at myself
because I could never fucking write that ship. It came
out of my brain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it came out of your lapsed Vince brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I could never sit down and fuck write that.
Speaker 2: Definitely not.
Speaker 3: That's why audio fucking rules, man, Oh that's why rules.
That's just fucking hilarious. Andrew, greetings from Zombia. This is
a first, dearest co Chairman. I write to you from
the heart of Livingstone, Zombia. I wonder how many lapsed
fans are here with me. Over the last week I've
been here for work, my days starting very early and
going very late when I travel for work, especially being
so far away from home and my beautiful wife and daughter.
I have a hard time, very hard time sleeping and
staying mindful andsane during the stressful time. The show has
been my salve, a the thing I can look forward
to when I put my head down at night. Here
at the hotel, I've been running on three to four
hours of sleep each day for the last week or so.
But I'm less stressed about my sleep because I am
able to put my headphones in and tune out and relax.
This week, I've caught up on the thirty week Mania journey,
speaking of which I think thirty one to forty really
deserved lapsed treatment.
Speaker 2: I hope you consider it a remarkable follow up. At
the hotel, I was hanging out in the conference room
working late still here at almost nine p m. When
one of the hotel staff came in, a young man
around the age of nineteen. We started bullshitting, and I
asked what his favorite TV shows and movies are. He
then told me, I sh you not bashfully and just
as full of shame as any one of us should have.
Do you know wrestling? Actually? Never mind. We immediately bonded
over our shared public interest pathetic interest rather, Although I
don't think he knew or cared about anything we.
Speaker 3: Heard of public interest we have we have a public company.
Speaker 2: In case that was not clear to you.
Speaker 3: I'm very interested in public interests.
Speaker 2: We then were bolts of very interested in what the
public is interested in.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm very I'm very interested in interest.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we're in the fan
service business. We then discussed his love for Randy Orton.
It cannot be underestimated how much global appeal Orton and
Seena have. It's staggering. No lapsed fans here, but sure enough,
like I saw most certainly in a few years he
will be. We did it. Great dispatch. That's our first
from Zambia. Man, that's a new one. That is a
new one for SUREA writes to us on our Saboo tribute.
So glad you mentioned Saboo's match with Owen Hart a
dark match in WWF. I was actually at that show.
Oh my god. Everyone wants to see video of that
and see if it exists, and have been meaning to
write about it since Sabu passed. We had no idea
who Sabu was at that point, but he had a
full presentation in that match, a someone that was going
to be a star. Yeah, we watched the Scottie Too
hoty mon a Night Rod Dark match. They were presenting
him as so they weren't putting any handcuffs on that guy.
He was allowed to go out there and be Saboo
and the people were into it. This one comes from
the Germans. Name for me is the Little Mang. That's
his screen name. He writes in the style and fashion
of the ECW Sci Fi era Sabo that we spent
a lot of time getting acquainted with during our Sabu
tribute series. This is his suggestion for what he might
say during one of those awkward promos. I'm Sabu and
tonight I'm going to burn down this hotel. There's another
good one here. I'm trying to find it again. I
don't want to go out of order, but there's another
really good one that someone hit us with. Let me
see if I can find it, because it just didn't
fit right here. Oh my god, it would fit right here.
Uh oh not the guy who was on the elevator
with Bronson Reid while he was holding Taco bell. This
one from Zach. I'm Saboo and I approved this message.
Nick Wright, speaking of Saboo's skin, I was front I
think I know which of the two of us talked
about his skin. Oh God, yeah, I was front row
during an MLW event in Orlando. He wrestled in about
twenty years ago. Hard to describe it, but its back
was like a layer of jelly. Oh. I don't know
if it was built up scar tissue or what, but
every inch was covered in some kind of scar or pockmark,
and it looked like a distinct layer from his normal skin.
It was a jig jelly like, disgusting mess. My friend
slapped him in the back too hard when he hit
the guardrail, and Sabo threw a shoot elbow back at him. Tremendous.
Oh man, Western sab Andrew Wright's boss went where my
head went. The table will soon be replaced by a
digital table to cut costs and maximize shareholder value. That's right,
that's right to that. I'm only telling the truth, Rob Wrights,
You guys joke. But I was actually in an elevator
once with Bronson Reid when he was holding a taco
bell order. I just shot a New Japan show in DC.
We were all back at the hotel and that was
the only place nearby that was open. Even if there
were other options. I think he would still I think
so too, Rob just rack a taco bell. Jeff Cobb
was also there. I'm sure he didn't have the cob salad. Okay,
airy forma. Thank you very much for your pledge on Patreon.
Welcome man Adam Asbourne. We really appreciate your support. Robert
wants us to think about l A Night as the
type of arc type can say that archtypical archetypal black
t shirt bartender, go refill the lime wedges and flush
the taps because it's ladies night. Picture him. I can
picture him doing that kind of job.
Speaker 3: I really can.
Speaker 2: The only Night looks like a guy who is working
in a restaurant in La hoping to get it apart.
That's what he kind of looks like.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, listen, he's got He has got a fucking
Manila envelope of headshots and resumes in his car.
Speaker 2: It just looks like one of those guys. I don't
know why he does he does. He does. He does
look like one of those guys. There's no question, can
you say one, which is probably why it pisses me
off off sometimes by looking at him, you know as
much as I enjoy the guy, you know, there are
elements that pissed me off about you. Tell me, Like
one feature that he has that says that to you.
Speaker 3: His hair, his hair, and it's like his his his
like his high forehead, like I just take is working
the fucking at a bar or a restaurant, Like I
can see him fucking waiting tables, rushing back and forth.
Speaker 2: Behind the bar. Is just like with a white towel
like dry in the inside of a glass, you know,
a cocktail glass.
Speaker 3: No question. The beard that like his his whole face
is just is just bartender trying to be an actor.
Speaker 2: He's like he's he's like literally like posing in the
catalog for the Martini glasses. You know, yeah, yes, yes,
our Ronaldi writes Sabu was a proud man who wouldn't
compromise because he felt he was respecting a family tradition
and ended up regretting not compromising because morals left him
with no money and drugs. Sometimes in solar system has
a way of summon it up man, and our SA
tribute was certainly no exception. Andrew writes, the biggest lie
we as wrestling fans tell ourselves is that the non extreme, safer, smarter,
pro wrestlers have better health outcomes. It's a lie and
we believe it, Yes, Carlo Stallion, pain and shame. Does
the disease best express itself when we demand they die
for our entertainment? Or when these brave men literally crawl
through barb wire for their opportunity to die for our entertainment.
Josh writes both the guy and the gimmick in the
Ring with Rob Zikowski in ninety one, with the exact
same guy and gimmick diving into barb wire in twenty
twenty five. I'll never be a fan of the guy,
but there's something remarkable about Sabu being stubbornly and unapologetically
Saboo for over three decades. No matter which regime he
was under, Vince couldn't even change him. William writes, Boss
even mentioned it at one some point, But Sabu ended
up as Randy the Ram. He didn't have anything left.
His partner was gone, the paydays were gone, his health
was gone. I don't know if he wanted to die
that night, but I don't think he would have minded
that much. The bloat makes me think of congestive heart failure.
Which can lead to clots. I don't know. I'm left
feeling so empty and shameful as a fan that we
pushed these guys to do these things. He also says,
Abyss absolutely tosses salad, tune a salad, salad, sam salad, seafood, salad,
basically anything that is primarily mayonnaise chilled and sir, yes,
oh my god, earn a bowl.
Speaker 3: That's what your sling. Okay, that's what's all about. That's
what your slang.
Speaker 2: Paully dangerously comes from. Johnny dangerously, not the year of
living dangerously. That's uh pointed out by Greg. We were
wondering where that comes from. One day. We'll get to
the bottom of it. Can we put Johnny Dangerously under
the cinemat for any reason, um the nineteen eighty four film.
Can we say that that's Paul Hammerson's character and just
go with it. No. I don't know if he's ever
admitted that or not. That's the problem. No, But if
you took the if you took the name from that,
I would I would I would qualify that. Joseph nubauerd
thank you very much for the pledge. We appreciate it.
Same to you, Robert Fenton. Welcome to the executive producer.
To your colin, ask for killing it's a prit k
fabe last name, Thanks very much. Brie writes, the Rick
Rude in a cage thing kind of happened. We were
wondering when going through Sabu's career. There was this listening
of an ECW match Rick Rud was wrestling in a cage,
and I just thought that was a mistake, because if
Rick Rude had a match in ECW, I would remember,
and it was technically a match. He was in there,
as I remarked on X, dressed like the cameraman at
a local TV station, and he had jeans and a
sweatshirt tucked in with sneakers, and he just, Okay, if
that's a match, it's just as much a match as
Hulkogan's last match that we just talked about in the UK.
Speaker 3: But I guess you're right.
Speaker 2: I guess I now know where that comes from, the match,
he writes with Sabo Arvidivus, Dreamer, Sandman and Rude turned
on Dreamer and Sandman during the match. So we like
to tie up loose ends on these feedback episodes if
we can based on the episodes I've come before, so
consider that one done. Wiretap eight oh four. Thanks for
the cake, my friend Ross Mueller. We appreciate your support
as well. Tim writs is someone who actually fixes broken jaws.
The whole section from Saboo's book about the jaw fracture
is the most horrifying thing I have ever heard. Absolutely
not shocked in the least that he refractured it. Yes,
we must not only consider the fractures of Saboo, boss,
but the refractures terable toys. We know he means business,
and he's putting that cake on the table, and we appreciate.
Oh yeah, we talked about Taz going to youth sports
in Jersey with a vest on and criticizing thes and
the referees, and Gino, who's from the area, who I
think we're going to see in New York, actually says
I've witnessed grown men yelling at a high school kid
ref because they weren't calling traveling in kindergarten age basketball. Taz,
this conversation about youth sports is exactly my weekend conversation
with my Jersey accent to Boot. We love it so
much that we're on point like that. Bob Ross, thanks
for the increase in pledge, my friend, we see you.
Mike Wright. Shane Douglas was in WCW by summer ninety nine. Yes,
we did get this twisted. We forgot. I forgot. I
thought he came in when Russo and Bischoff combined in
two thousand, but he was already in the company because
he had did all the revolution Stable stuff with Ben
Juan Malinko and all that in ninety nine as well,
and he was rumored to go over with them in
two thousand. Him and Conan were part of the group
that was said to be looking for their release to
go with the radicals. So thanks for that reminder there,
Robbie O'Sullivan, thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome
to the executive producer teer Anonymous, whoever you may be.
Thanks for the cake. Marty f Thank you very much
for the support in Clifford Rickabaugh, Thank you very much
for your increase. Wayne Tyner. We appreciate the love and
want to thank you very much. Boss Carl's writing in
from Cape Town. We're going in a nationalis one damn
right A Nambia, Namibia, whatever, infinitia Afghanistan. It's all here,
this is from Cape Town. All right, here we go,
dear coach chairs.
Speaker 3: I was delighted to see you tackle the history and
legacy of Sabu and thought it was the perfect time
to share my Sabu story as a wrestling fan in
South Africa. Yes, as you understand wrestling. Watching wrestling at
a precocious age is an addiction, a necessity. I gobbled
up whatever I could find, even though it was only WWE.
We had no WCW or ECW, and WWE pay per
views aired seemingly at random. Shout out to my mom
for taping the ninety seven Royal Rumble at six am midweek.
We didn't get the after mags. My only source of
information was WWE produced magazines, which arrived here several months
after publishing Stateside. I was essentially blind. I recall Brett
Hart just vanishing off TV. Same with Diesel and Razor.
We I had no closure. I took what I could
get and was grateful. ECW was a forbidden fruit that
only existed in my imagination. In the early two thousands,
I got regular access to the Internet, finally, a means
to find the real hardcore wrestling with stuff that was
too hot for our televisions. I recall vividly coming across
an article describing the Born to Be Wired match, no video,
only black and white photos. I was astonished. TLC at
WRESTLINGA seventeen was my favorite match at that time, and
this was a different and this was a different level.
Who is sap Woo? How can you tip up a
bicep and completely and complete a match?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on? I had so many
questions with little means to answer them. I discovered file
sharing and I needed extreme grappling. I can say with
my hand on my heart, I spent more time looking
for anything of Saboo than I did pornography. The point
to the heavens, the mystique, the scars, by God, the scars.
Who is this person? I still think he's one of
the coolest wrestlers I've ever seen. His entire presentation was perfect.
Fast forward to One Nightstand two thousand and five. I
was eighteen and mesmerized with my first proper experience with ECW.
I don't know about proper. Yeah, I know it's but
it's the closest he got though. Yeah, it was actually
a pretty faithful recreation of it. All the crowd, the
Hayman promo, the violence. It was like discovering a new color.
I'd never seen anything like it, and it was the
first time I'd ever seen Sabu in motion. To this day,
his quote style still tuxes me. The way he moved,
the recklessness, the relentlessness. He had this single minded determination
to hurt his opponent with his own body. Either you
crumble to the mat or he does, and he is
seemingly fine with either outcome. Homicidal, suicidal, genocidal perfectly captured
his look and approach to wrestling. Even now, as I
try to logically figure out what about Sabou captured my
imagination so completely, I realize that it's much simpler than
work rate or table spots or a cool entrance. I
believe Sabo. I believed Sabo was real, real in the
same way James Gandalfini and The Sopranos was real. This
character only exists in this world on my television, and
they are holy and completely committed to their world in
a way that makes only sense to them. I cannot
meet Sabu at a grocery store or on the train.
He doesn't exist in my world as a person. He
doesn't feel like I do, or hurt like I do,
or have any of the same needs. He is Saboo,
and he has committed to his interpretation of professional wrestling
at the expense of everything and how he expresses himself
in a match, even if it kills him in the
wrestling industry. As the wrestling industry becomes more meta, wow,
merta wow, isn't that the truth? Brother?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 3: Brother? Self referential and filled with shoot interviews and quote,
here was what really happened. I yearned to allow myself
to simply believe in the grappling without feeling like a
fucking idiot. Yep, Sabu was one of the very few
wrestlers where that was possible. Perhaps Terry Bronk was a
casualty of this. Perhaps Terry Bronk should have never, never,
should never have committed to his journey of self destruction.
But he did, and the least I can do to
honor it is be grateful for his commitment to his art.
His art is sometimes revolting, but it's distinct. His performance
at One night Stand in two thousand and five is
very average. But I eventually got to heat Wave ninety
eight in his tag with RVD against Gensation, Saki and Hyabusa.
Sure whatever, Yeah, that's what I was former Hakushi Hayabusa
and yeah shin Shinzaki. That was the first time where
the character who captured my imagination from a young age
and the person. That was the time where the character
who captured my imagination from a young age and the
person I'm watching on my television met on equal terms.
Thanks for reading, Carl from Cape Town.
Speaker 2: It's stuff, man, that's a good email. That's kind of
one I wish we tucked into the tribute itself. But yeah,
we always say if you love a show, listen to
the mailbag after it or a feedback segment after it,
because there's a lot of wonderful follow on from the
Solar System, a lot of important clarifications of things we
may have gotten wrong or not exactly right, and it
just keeps going, it just keeps evolving. Thank you, Nick Russ,
Thank you very much for your pledge, and welcome to
the executive producer t Here Joe writes to us from
suburban Chicago. So listening to the memorial tour for the
second time can confirm that as of May twenty nine,
twenty twenty five, at three thirty Central Standard time, Nikita
Kuloff's wang is still visible on Peacock version of Blade Kate.
You might recall his dick comes out of his pants.
They put the cock in Peacock's right ten years after
JP first made mention, twenty four years after the table
Library was purchased, in thirty nine years after original airing.
How is that possible? Well, there it is, Boss.
Speaker 3: Oh, I like I enjoy having a little uh Easter
egg out there for people to enjoy and indulge in
indulge in another man's genitalia.
Speaker 2: I'm going to share this link with you later. Don't forget,
but the homie Pedro and Lisbon wants us to know
his first time writing to us, big fan from Portugal
of a cultaholic article. Okay, he found this and immediately
thought we should know about this if we don't know
about it already. It's a wrestler who had gone missing,
whose human marine remains were found very recently.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I I I've saved that article.
Speaker 2: He was an actor and wasn't Twilight of the Gods
starring rock Huts qualify Boss Yeah, qualify, boss, absolutely, and
I've I actually already did that kind of a brief
little true crime around here.
Speaker 3: Kim. Oh yeah, we love that.
Speaker 2: God, thank God for under the Cinema. We love that ship.
Everything's fair game. Oh, Matthew KEI.
Speaker 3: A whole fucking.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 3: See that that again that it's these it's these guys
who I find the most fascinating, These people who had
these careers and and this guy being fucking buried and
just that ah, tremendous.
Speaker 2: Having just like this fleeting connection to wrestling makes it
even more intriguing.
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: There was a speaking of Rock Hudson. He kind of
qualifies for a few reasons, one of which is the
next TA character by the name of Death we Live
is Duke Hudson, right next T I think, so let's see, Yeah,
he's definitely a Rock Hudson kind of inspirationally inspired character. Yeah, okay,
I've always thought that's where his name came from. Uh,
And they combined it with the Duke James Dean, right,
they call John Wayne John Wayne. Sorry. Yeah, Bethew Key,
thank you very much for increasing your pledge. We appreciate it.
Christopher zell Er, thank you. For the cake. We uh,
we're gonna put that to good use. Adam from Jersey City, dear,
co chairman of the number one college podcast in the
Solar System. I'm going back to the journeys who've authored
over the years hashtag shelf life and found a true
magic eight ball fuck skull moment on the memorial. At
three fifty four to fifty four of the star K
eighty nine Deep Dive, Jack and JP are talking about
crooked referee numb Nick dumfuck Patrick and compare his blown
call to a scene from Naked Gun. Boss then proceeds
to say, we want to see a new Naked Gun
starring Liam Neeson. Last four nine years and there's going
to be a new Naked Gun with Cody Roads in it.
No less right? Is it? Believe he's in it? Yes? Wow,
that's funny starring Liam Neeson. Holy shit, Boss, you did
it again, he writes, coming out this Friday. That's right,
Yet were not? How funny that we read this email
on the precipice. Yep, it even qualifies for under the
cinemat since it features Cody Rhads. He writes. Anyway, I'm
a long time LABS fan, have been following Jack since
the shirt dog days remembered Haam TJ and Luffey, the
triangle choke of MMA Radio. Even remember the origin of
Brandon from New Jersey? Hey, Jack, do you remember Sean mccorky, Oh,
I do? I remember that crazy word Smith from Indiana.
Hilarious and one of the funniest fighters ever. Thank you
for the years upon years of entertainment. Well, thank you, Adam.
Great to hear from you. Well, anyone with a name McCorkle. Oh, yeah,
that's great. Still automatic right there, Joe's still on these
old ones. Yeah, he writes, you've infiltrated my life. Morning
till night. I had to take the five to fifty
am train for world famous Schomberg through suburban Chicago, Rosemont,
and finally arriving in the city. I'm fairly certain Jim
Barnett developed all his classy habits in downtown Chicago. Listening
to the star K e eighty five cast for the
fourth time, as I was crossing the river on Madison Street,
the street made famous by the United Center because of
Brett Nowen in a cage and maybe some basketball player
from Flair Country, I came to a random comment regarding
a weird Jake Roberts he caught on bray Wyatt in
twenty fifteen something about a condom and a sleep apney mask. Anyways,
not the story. After JP moves on from the bizarre
moment from the dark poet Laureate from Stone Mountain, I
simply parsed my lips as if my mouth was dry,
about to start a promo as an unconscious nod to
Jake's teeth. Thanks JP for the amazing discovery. Well come
to you for your quick Chicago wrestling primer that you
didn't ask for. Thank you for giving me what I need. Yeah,
not a problem. Joe Martin, great supporter out there. I
believe in Scotland. He says he loves anytime the co
chairs talk about Shit's Creek and Catherine O'Hara in general.
And uh, he wants he wants every Johnson a live call,
every Johnson imagine to a retirement on live call. And
we're doing it. I mean, I don't think we're gonna
miss one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: William Wrights. I think they should have Otis be the
spokesperson for Dude Wipes. Just some fat sweaty, hairy guy
who you'd know has poor anal hygiene.
Speaker 3: May it like close ups of the of the hairs
in his ass that are caught all all the ship
and like all sorts of dirt and just vile things
like the worst, the worst substances on the planet are
just caked on the hairs in his ass.
Speaker 2: They look they look all matted down even in his underwear. Horrible,
just like you know, like layers of stuff oh on
those fucking asshairs. Doctor Templar from New Zealand, Uh, we're
sticking with international dear co chairs. He provides a helpful
summary with three bullet points. One thanks for everything you do.
It makes my life better too. Thank you to the
Mote tier members. We the three sixteen tiers salute your
magnificent contributions. That's the spirit, that's the spirit. Don't hate, appreciate,
Realize that while it might not make sense for you
to pledge in that denomination, that you're eternally grateful that
others do because it provides us the fuel we need
to keep producing. And even if you don't get to
access at all, be grateful that something keeps making us
want to do this because when we stop wanting to
do this, you are left in the wilderness. My friend,
I don't know what to tell you, because the cast
is a powerful force, and it's a virtuous cycle and
the only reason we have subjected our ourselves to the
aforementioned sleep deprivation and other sacrifices it takes to do
the show like we do it. It's because we know
that you're going to put money on the table to
say that it's worth it. That's proof. That's proof of
any society. Two, thank you to the mote your members.
Three if you were free loading, step up. It brings
a sense of self worth that feels good every week.
My man, he writes the long story, I'm a fifty
eight year old got to be our oldest listener, fifty
eight year old New Zealander wow, who first fell for
wrestling in the mid seventies watching New Zealand's own on
the mat. This would feature New Zealand hero such as
Steve Recard, Samoan Joe with an n Yes Samoan Joe,
and Mark Lewin taking on the likes of Robert the
Bruce King, Curtis Ika and Don Morocco as part of
the NWA their champions would also visit, none more feared
than Hardly Race. Of course, my twin brother and I
would spend hours practicing our wrestling every week when we
weren't a brawling MMA style. In the eighties, the WWF arrived,
wasn't on New Zealand TV, so we bought magazines and
lived for rental videotapes. You can imagine the excitement of
hiring wrestle Mania one, not knowing the results. Hiring that
must be a key WE word for renting. Hiring like that.
The pageantry, the size of the wrestlers and the arenas
was a sight to behold. WWF was only available on PATV,
but WCW was on free to air, so we watched
Flair and Sting battle it out on random late night broadcasts.
Over the years, I continue to be a fan, seeing
WWF live in New Zealand Undertaker vers Angle versus Mark
Henry main event, and also watching many independent shows seeing
a very young Dakota Kai learned the ropes. I also
passed the wrestling lore onto our son, who loved my
old tapes and who at ten hit me with a
flare chop so perfect that I had a handprint bruise
for five days. These days, he's twenty five and a big, strong,
lovely man. And when we me, my twin brother and
son start to lapse. When our heroes faded Hogan Hart
Michael's taker Flair, and when UFC arrived, instead of watching
fake fights, we could watch real ones and they fought
just like my brother and I did when we were kids.
UFC led to Shirt Dog and TJ. My podcast addiction
was born. I listened to all his Shirtdog shows and
then backed him on Patreon on from day one for
between rounds. When he stopped producing content, I contributed for
a year to say thanks, then face the reality that
I needed more, so I sampled TLF. At first, it
was intimidating, a five to six hour podcast on a
single event. What could they talk about for so long?
But the research knowledge and sources and the boss's lore
and impressions had me hooked. My wife noticed I was
volunteering to do household chores. Hey, there's that thumbs up, motherfucker.
There's that thumbs up, motherfucker. Yes, with a new enthusiasm
as I listened to my weekly episodes, but I needed
more and stopped being a freeloader. When you read my name,
I punched the air with pride, pride that I was
contributing in my own small way to something meaningful. So
I worked my way through the back catalog, starting with
the WrestleMania Journey, but the TLF Everest remained the trial
of his life. I recently completed it and would suggest
it should be preserved in the Smithsonian. It is an
unmatched piece of journalism. So I wanted to write to
thank you for all the work and all the joy
you bring nekhon me. I think how you say it.
Thanks Richard, well, thank you Richard. We're honored to have
you as a listener. And thank you very much for
the the vote of confidence. Christopher Queen, thank you very
much for recently joining the Mote tier. That is a
big time move from you. Stephen Jolly, thank you very much.
We appreciate the support. We dropped spotlight on him, didn't we, Boss.
Speaker 3: Yes we did. We had to do it, Yes we did,
and Scott was one of my one of my one
of my crowning surprises. There are there there are a few,
I would say I would say the the my favorites
home alone. It's a wonderful Life, and spotlight. Wow, my
three favorite surprises to drop on you. Electric, Yeah, truly
electric Spotlight. I'm getting abused, he writes. That fucking cast
has been to my ass for eight hours. He says,
the spotlight. Yees, spotlight, it's win way. I'm getting abused
right now.
Speaker 2: Right now. This might be your finest work yet, gentlemen,
he writes, Absolutely tremendous stuff. I really enjoyed getting to
hear not only that run in from Glenn Cain, but
that insight from Jack as well. I think the most
important thing here was realizing that Jack's journey has taken
us from a burger in the room to a muffin
in the bathroom. Forgot about that because it really is
all about food.
Speaker 3: It is, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: The homie Ben Blake has a request, and I think
it's your turn to dissatisfy it. Have you ever heard
of the Doctor SEUs book Fox and Socks.
Speaker 3: H No, I have not.
Speaker 2: I just sent you a link. Okay's a copy of
said children's classic.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The simple request from an avid fan of for a
long time who believes the show is second to none,
even though he may be the only TLF fan in
the world who doesn't care about wrestling. He wants the
boss Man to do a great favor and to read
Doctor SEUs is Fox and Socks and lapsed Vince's voice.
On the next nail Bag episode.
Speaker 3: All right, here we go. We'll go back to the
beginning here, We'll go to the top page. Here. Uh,
Fox in Socks. This is a book you read aloud
to find out just how smart your tongue is the
first time you read it. Don't go fast. This fox
is a tricky fox. He'll try to get your tongue
in trouble. By the doctor. This is by a doctor
Seuss says, here, take it slowly. This book is dangerous.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: Fox and Socks by doctor Seuss. Mm hmm. Fox Socks
Box knocks Ville County, Knox in box. Well, I gotta
change there we go Knocks in box, Fox in socks,
knocks on, Fox in socks in box, socks on knocks
and knocks in box, Fox in socks on, knocks on,
box on.
Speaker 2: Knocks getting silly. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Chicks with with what Chicks with bricks, bricks, Chicks with
blocks come brother, Chicks with bricks and blocks and clocks. Come, look, sir, look, sir,
mister Knox, sir, let's do tricks with bricks and blocks, sir.
Let's do tricks with chicks and clocks.
Speaker 2: Sir. First, I'll make a quick trick brick stack. Then
I'll make a quick trick block stack. You can make
a quick trick chick stack. You can make a quick
trick clock stack. And here's a new trick, mister Knox.
Speaker 3: Socks on chicks and chicks on Fox, Fox on clocks
on bricks and blocks, bricks and blocks on knocks on box. Well,
now we come to ticks and talks, sir, so try
to say this, mister Knox, sir, clocks on Fox, tick
clocks on Knox talk six sick bricks tick six sick
chicks talk, please, sir, I don't like this tricks or
my tongue isn't quite quick or slick, Sir, I get
all these ticks and clocks or mixed up with the
chicks and talks. Er, I can't do it, mister Fox.
I'm so sorry, mister Knox, Sir. Here's an easy game
to play. Here's an easy thing to say. New socks
twu socks whose socks sues socks.
Speaker 2: Mhm. Who sews whose socks? Sue sows Sue's socks? Who
sees who Sue? Who sees who sow? Who's new socks? Sir,
you see Sue, so sue new socks. That's not easy,
mister foxer. Now who comes Crow comes? Brother?
Speaker 3: Slow Joe Crow comes who brother? Who sews crows clothes?
Sue sews crows clothes slow? Slow Joe Crow sews whose
clothes sues clothes? Mm hmm, I agree, slow Joe Crow
sews knocks in box. Now so Sue sews rose on
slow Joe Crow's clothes. Right, Fox sews hose on slow
Joe crows nose, hose goes, rose grows, nose, hose goes some, crows,
rose grows some. Mister Fox, I hate this game, sir.
This game makes my tongue quite lame, Sir, mister Knox, Sir,
what a shame, sir. We'll find something new to do.
Now here is lots of new blue go now now
goo blue goo gooey gooey blue goo now goo gloe
gloey gooey goo for chewing, for chewy chewing. That's what
that goo goose is doing. Do you choose to chew
goo tooo, Sir? If Sir U Sir choose to choose
her with the goo goose, choose do sir, mister Foxer,
I won't do it. I can't say it. I won't
chew it. Very well, sir, step this way, we'll find
another game to play. Bim comes, Ben comes, Bim brings
Ben Broom, Ben brings, Bim broom Ben, Ben's, Ben's broom, Bim,
Ben's Ben's broom, BIMs benz, Ben's bens, Ben's Ben broom breaks,
Bim's bent, broom breaks, Ben's band, Bim's band, big bands,
pig bands, Bim and Ben lead bands with brooms, Bim's
band bangs and Bim's band broom booms, big band, Boom band,
big band Broomband my poor mouth can't say that, No, Sir,
My poor mouth is much too slow.
Speaker 2: Sir. Well, then bring your mouth this way. I'll find
it something it can say. Luke Luck likes lakes, Luke's
Duck likes linkes, Luke Luck licks lakes, Luke's duck licks licks,
Duck takes licks in lakes. Luke Luck likes Luke Luck
takes licks in Lynx duck likes. I can't blab such
blibber blubber. My tongue isn't made of rubber, mister Knox. Now,
come now, come now, you don't have to be so dumb.
Now try to say this, mister Knox. Flease through three
cheese trees, three free fleas flu while these fleas flew
freezy breeze, blue freezy breeze made these three trees freeze.
Freezy trees made these trees cheese freeze. That's what made
these three free fleas sneeze. Stot it, stot it.
Speaker 3: Now that's enough, sir, I can't say such subby stuff. Sir,
very well, then, mister knoxer, let's have a little talk
about tweetle beetles. What do you know about tweetle beetles. Well,
when tweetle beetles fight is called a tweetle beetle battle.
When they battle on a puddle, it's a tweetle beetle
puddle battle. And when tweetle beetles battle with paddles in
a puddle, they call it a tweetle beetle puddle paddle battle.
And that notwithstanding, when when beetles battle beetles in a
puddle battle. When beetles battle beetles in a puddle paddle battle,
and the beetle battle puddle is a puddle in a bottle,
they call this a tweetle beetle bottle puddle paddle battle muddle.
And when beetles fight those these battles in a bottle
with their paddles and their bottles on a poodle and
the poodles eating noodles, they call this a muddle puddle
tweetle poodle, beetle noodle bottle paddle battle, right, obviously, And
now wait a minute, mister socks fox, When a fox
is in the bottle where the tweetle beetle battle with
their paddles in a puddle on a noodle eating poodle,
this is what they call a tweetle beetle noodle poodle
bottled paddled, muddled, duddled, fuddled waddled Fox in socks, Sir,
Fox and socks, our game is dumb, sir, Thank you
for a lot of fun, sir. Now you're now is
your tongue numb? The end?
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, I was captivated fox and socks. I mean
somewhere deep down.
Speaker 3: A fable by Doctor Seuss read by Vincent Kennedy McMahon.
Speaker 2: There's something ro co co about it. There's something very
spirits consistent with Vince and what we Chris wants us
to know. There is a phrase in soccer, if in doubt,
kick it out. The wrestling equivalent is clearly if in doubt,
hurt yourself. Adam, thank you very much for that executive
producer level pledge. We appreciated Sam speaking of Saboo being
generous and kind to younger wrestlers. I did Carney wrestler
training for a couple of months in my youth. My
trainer told us a story about having a match with
Sabo in the nineties and Sabu called for a spot
where he gives this guy a DDT off the top rope.
The guy goes, yeah, but how the hell do you
do that safely? I'm just gonna land in your chest
off the top and Sabu says, just land on me.
I'll take the impact. They do the spot and Sabu
gets the wind knocked out of him. He didn't care.
That was Saboo. I think it's actually a pretty good
little salvation of the guy right there. Thanks for sharing.
Dan Swartwoud thank you very much for your pledge. We
appreciate it. Ryan writes, Lol, so JP really thought there
was a possibility that Sabou was in that movie as
a child and was already no as Saboo.
Speaker 3: Yes, there was like a split moment.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's good ship pals, split moment, split moment,
just confirming. Ronnie Cathy, thank you very much for the pledge, Matthew,
he says, interviews with people like Glenn are just gold
loved it. Yeah, what a triumph that was. He was
great so many ways. Adam B, thank you very much
for the pledge. We deeply appreciate the sport. Alex Ali
Wrights Dear Jack and JP. On the Final Class of
the Champions episode, you mentioned that many w W themes
were royalty free tracks from the Turner music Library. I
work as a director for pre and postgame shows at
a regional sports network. Hey now, and I've actually come
across a few of those themes in our music library.
One of my favorites is a track called slow Death.
It's perfect for hockey highlights, especially when there's a big
hit or a fight. I've requested it so often that
our audio operators know toe save it. For those types
of highlights. The wrestler we used slow Death during his career,
one of the Lapsolar System's favorite bitter bitches. Hardcore Holly
Wow or a s JP might call him hardcore Hollins
your pal Ali, right, that's true. That's huge that we
know the actual name and kind of genesis of that hardcore.
Speaker 3: His name is called, his name is the song's name
is slow Death. Yes, yes, it is hilarious, pretty wild.
Thanks for that.
Speaker 2: That's a very helpful color because I have heard it.
I've heard that song everywhere, not just in WWF.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, remember we remember h the series finale of
Hogan Knows Bad. Sure, yep, they play it when Hogan's
driving up to see uh to see brook teeny.
Speaker 2: It's a great call. And they played it on Spike
TV all the time when they would, like, you know,
you finish watching one show and they would play a
highlight for what's coming up or trailer for their in
house stuff.
Speaker 3: But mom pun on mom doun on mom.
Speaker 2: Peg right, Lance heath Wall, thank you very much for
your pledge. Welcome to the VIP tier. Luthernoli just went
all the way up to that mote tier. That's a
thrill oli I have ever heard one. It's the mail
bag of real solid ogs in the game, letting us
know they're out there. Two for they're out there and
they're ready to be of use to us. This one
from Tony says, Hello, chairman, I've been enjoying your podcast
for many years. I would love in some way to
be able to contribute. I'm about ten years older than
you guys, and I had the distinction of growing up
as a wrestling fan in Allentown, Pennsylvania. Wow, we know
what we can do with that?
Speaker 3: Is he a nasty boy?
Speaker 2: Oh? Related to the Nasties? The Sags's sister Raw The
whole family came over. I actually grew up in Bethlehem,
and nobody cares. It's all about the time spent in
Agricultural Hall with my mom and my Portuguese neighbor who
learned how to speak English by watching WWF wrestling. My
mom used to take me and my friend Carlos to
Agricultural Hall every three weeks to watch WWF tapings. If
you ever need a perspective on the atmosphere of the
aura and the abundance of white trash, I would be
happy to eloquently express the time period and words for
those who were not able to experience when it was better.
Please let me know if I can contribute for an
upcoming podcast. Well, you know what, pal, here's the thing.
I'm sure at some point we're going to come across
ag hol again and it's going to be on the table.
We felt a certain urge to pilgrimage there when we
went there for WrestleMania forty. We were there. We had
to remember, we bought tickets to a fucking stamp show
while walking with the old ladies so we could stomp
where they used to tape. Tell oh my god, try
to explain to them, and they're trying to explain to us, like,
you know what this is right, there's nobody here who's
less than sixty eight years old. Yeah, and it's like, well, actually,
do you know wwfs in town. It's like just go,
just go just that is horrible, horribly embarrassing that day.
But remember that market over there, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there was some there were some interesting things
there for sure going on.
Speaker 2: But Tony, you write it up, man. That's that's why
I wanted to make sure to signpost this during the
mailbag episode. Just write up anything you remember. Just give
us an essay of all the high points. Let us
know not just that you were there, but what it
was you saw there that you still remember to this day.
And describe what it was like to go to those
television tapings. Who did you always see? What was the
crowd makeup?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What was it always the same people? What time of
day was it? You know, what did you get to
what did you get to eat? These are things we
must know, just like how long? How long was it?
How long was a full day? Exactly? How well could
you hear the promo segments like the piper's pit stuff
and all the things they set up in the back there?
How would you get in and out? How would the
wrestlers get in and out of the building? Did everybody
know where to look for the wrestler's cars? Is all
this stuff true that we used to hear that the
heels you know, used to have their tires slashed and
all that shit. Give it to us, you know what
we need, Joe writes Mongo. Of course we did our
Mango tribute used to do spots for a local gentleman's club.
When he would just go champagne room. That's what he
would just say over and over again. I spent hours
trying to find it. Well, it's too bad that we
didn't esc Thank you very much for your support and
for champagne room. Yeah, the champagne room. That's where you
go to be, you know, in private with the strippers
and where the gagging happens. I won't say there. From
who to who? Matt Anton Houston. He sent us a
little bit of cheddar on PayPal, which we love to see,
and a little note just to let it go down easy,
He writes, I have a jar of fat under my sink.
I pour oil into it after cooking to prevent my
drain clogging up. Occasionally bits of food end up in there,
swimming around. It has a centimeter layer of white hardened
fat on top. The smell is immense. This is how
I imagine Dusty's nether regions. Durnada wants us to know
that there were one male rats, at least in Philly
during the ecw Ring of Honor days. The Special k
Faction had quite a few of them. So there you go.
You're asking about male rats before.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember, I remember.
Speaker 2: Bud Stefan Heenan. Always appreciate your sport. Thank you very much.
Rob Williams, thanks for the increase in sport. Really appreciated
Jordan's Capecchi. Thank you very much for always putting down
the chutter that makes the difference. Zach puts it well
on on Spotlight. Lots of parallels between wrestling and the
territory days and the American Catholic Church moving priests around
to get their shine back. One territory parish to the next.
Has no knowledge of a fresh, new, baby faced priest
coming to town. Unfortunately though the priests they considered altar
boys their ring rats. Yeah, it's it's it's it's similar.
There's some truth, similar lifestyles, similar lots in life. Tim Lee,
thank you for the pledge. Christian Holister, of course, always
rock solid. Who are you playing with? Wresselmania nine Hulk?
I got no, I got uh, I got two gloops here,
I got Sid and Luger. It's a good match. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 3: We have the pain great hip tosses. The great hip
hip tossing is a great thing. Is a great thing
to keep to keep. Uh uh, you know when the
wee hours start, the wee hour start Yeah, that's huge.
Hip hip tossing, hip tossing a drill?
Speaker 2: You got a drill? Yeah, you have to right, got
to make sure they're on point for when the lights
are on the brightest. Right, do you know we have
the pink sid? What we have the pink sid? We
have the pink sid. Where I'm looking at it right now?
What during one of our hauls and whoever it was
it got it for us is going to remember this?
It was hidden inside of another gift. What I just
found it a little while ago. Oh my god, tell
in your way. Holy shit, those who are what we're
talking about? W W glube I think uk exclusive there
was a sid instead of the black singlet. He has
a pink singlet. He has a pink singlet. Yeah, that's
wild Bonanza. Those are crazy, I know. So thanks to
whoever that was. I'm sure we failed to shout them
out appropriately during the unwrappening because we didn't see it.
These these motherfuckers hide things. They only get us too much.
They hide stuff that's wild. Josh writes, this discussion is
so old and nobody's gonna read.
Speaker 3: This, but I'm surprised. What I was surprising is that nobody. Yeah,
reached back out said hey and said, hey, hey, hey,
I don't think we noticed it.
Speaker 2: No, I would have noticed that. I would have noticed
that for sure, because I love those. I love those
regular but I still have you know, I love them,
the the big Josh one that I have. Yeah, fucking
it's Josh. Yeah, that's what happens when we go and
wax poetically about you know, long lust and rare figures,
They're gonna end up in our fucking hands. Yep, Josh writes,
this discussion is so old and nobody is going to
read this. But regarding ECW's belt designs, remember we talked
a lot about the ECW belt designs during the Sabage views.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The classic ic and wind Eagle designs were owned by
Reggie Parks. He retained the rights to produce them at
well for anybody who wanted to buy them. He was
even able to sell one to one repros of contemporaneous
WWF belts as long as he did include the WWAF
logo on any of the plates. Territories on a budget
who wanted real belts but couldn't afford Holy Custom Designs
would buy from Reggie by picking an existing design, similar
to the way Flash Art works with budget tattoos. The
high quality replicas that Dufises walk around with it wrestling
shows didn't quite exist yet. I think it would be
another two or three years until those figures inc. Replica
belts started selling. Yes, so that's why the ECW Television
Championship looked like the Wing Deegal WWF title because you
know they ordered from Reggie Parks without the WWF logo
on it, and there you.
Speaker 3: Go, that's just funny. Why would you, I guess, I guess.
My question though, really is okay, why though? Why would
you choose that belt? Right? That is so recognizable? Because
I mean it is the remind me, is the ECW
logo on that belt? Yes?
Speaker 2: So it was made, it was custom made with that design.
Why would you choose that design? Questions?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I don't understand the options because it's so recognizable, and
it also just it's like it also doesn't feel like
a TV title belt either, Like you know, if you're gonna,
if you're gonna go with that far to buy the
same design and put the ECW logo on it, why
don't you just make it the world belt?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I agree, it's kind of weird that that
was the flagship title their Their world title was always
kind of weird to me. Yeah, because I always think
of the nineteen ninety nine to one. I don't think
of the one that was there when, like the one
Terry Funk one, which is basically the ic title. Yeah,
template right, I always think of the the one that
had like the barber cage on it, like the fence
on it. Yeah, for the tail end days, but right
right when they when they actually made extreme looking belts, right,
and the toys and everything. Colin writes, here are some
rules I have come up with for keeping the titles important.
Speaking of titles and preventing guys from slipping down the
card and losing steam. I e.
Speaker 3: L A.
Speaker 2: Night one, If you were a former world champion, you
should never again hold or challenge for the ic US title.
Would you agree with that? Boss? Yes? I agree, at
least until that's what killed Chris Jericho. He gets the
role title and then we're all reminded, well, we didn't
really mean that he's icy title for a.
Speaker 3: Life, right, unless unless.
Speaker 2: They make a guy make a guy.
Speaker 3: Right, But you know, again, unless you got the guy
going down you know, unless they're on their way out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would still find you know, because then
well because then you can use them to build somebody up. Yeah,
build up a challenger, but not the champ. They don't
have the challenge for the belt, but they can help
set up the next challenger for the belt. Yeah, I guess,
I guess that's true. I like that rule a lot,
just over time. I think it'll pay dividends, even if
it creates inconveniences along the way to only put the
icy US title on some and if you have semi
concrete plans to make them world champion, bringing a third
lower to your belt if need be, icy belt needs
to hold more prestige, it should be the penultimate step,
not the first. I like that rule too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's why they guess why the US
title exists, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Three. I've always thought that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The European title they kind of made it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those I always liked that as being kind of
a like I like there being steps. I like there
being multiple steps, yes, to work up your your your
singles credibility. This one is for fun number three to
add more prestige the IC belt on one night a year,
the IC champion can surrender the belt in exchange for
a shot at the World champ one month notice, no
cash ins. However, if they lose, they cannot challenge for
any belt for a year. I think those kind of
stipulations are great, Yeah, I do. I think those are
very those are those are I think it's it's hard.
It's certainly hard in professional wrestling, given that it's fake
and you're trying to you know, you don't know where
your guys are going to be in a year, you know,
No matter how much you plan ahead, you really don't
know you know who's going to be over in a year,
you know. So it's hard to plan that, you know,
because let's say, let's say you have the the Intercontinental.
You have that you have someone cashing the Interconnental belt, sure,
and for a world title shot, right kind of what
didn't they do that in TNA? Yeah, the title? Right,
So you turn in that belt, you go for it,
but you lose. But then all of a sudden, within
that year, that guy who lost becomes the hottest guy
in the company. Then it's like, well shit, you know,
I mean, I'm sure you can write a storyline to
kind of to get your way out of it.
Speaker 2: But it it. It's it seems like it's a lot
of work, but I like the idea. I wonder if
there's a way to do it that would actually that
would be more I don't know how would you say it,
but yeah, like that you could do it without kind
of booking yourself into a corner. Yeah. I think what
I like about those year things is like, you know,
even if something happens, the guy leaves, the guy's hurt,
just don't do it. But if everything's good to do
it within the year and that year is coming up,
that's a great dramatic kind of thing to Yeah, that's
kind of the money to being cash and clock ticking,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true too, That is true.
Speaker 2: I like having that out there and for one fucking
world champion, Amen, one fucking world that one upper car champion,
icy belt, one lower car champion, I have to say,
is someone that's you know, a stickler for world icee
and tag. I do kind of see what he's going
for there with that second secondary.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's great. I always liked
having it. Yeah, you know, like having it having a
TV title or you know, like a US title. You know.
I also like the idea of the division of it all.
It's like, well, you're the champion of the US, so
you've you're conquering that essentially that region of the world,
and then you you know, you become the Intercontinental champion
after that, like you know, after you lose that belt,
you know you, I mean, what what could be interesting? Again?
This would be crazy hard. This would be a lot
easier if you were running a legitimate sports league. But
it's like, okay, so you you win the US title.
Whenever you lose the US title, you are now in
the Intercontinental division. Okay, now you have to go for
the US belt. But if the Intercontinental belt, but if
you lose the Intercontinental belt, you go back to the
US title division, right, and you're gonna build your way
back up again. I don't know, it's.
Speaker 2: All it's compound. I can see validity there as long
as the fans believe that it's a stepping stone.
Speaker 3: But again, the idea is that that that is like,
how do you That's a lot to keep track of
it in terms of you know, fictional wrestling.
Speaker 2: And I heard some good suggestions to fired at US
since we've broached this topic of like, maybe all you
do is make the last month's worth of matches relevant
to your standing. You know, they start do rankings you
don't have to do since the inception of your time
in the company, you know, or your all time wrestling record.
You can just make the recent run the only relevant one,
you know, the recent comparative records. So these guys go
on a little bit of a streak before suddenly getting
a title shot instead of getting a title shot because
the last paper you just ended, and on the next
TV the champion comes out and says, who else is
it going to be? And then the first person to
walk out somehow gets a title shot. That's just suboptimal,
to say the least. Ac Slater want to thank you
very much for the increase to the mote tier. We
really appreciate all that support. I want to give a
big shout out to Andy. Andy put a book out.
We talk about how one of our proudest moments is
t left coach. Heers just when we inspire folks to
create and he read it. He says, about a month ago,
sent you a link to a book you inspired me
to put together. It's called slantastic stupidity, The Unknown Critics
blistering commentary on Pro Wrestling's one one hundred most outrageous gimmicks,
and upon publishing the book, I quickly you realize that
while yes, I did dedicate the book to the lapsed fan,
hell yeah, that one sentence line was not nearly sufficient
enough to show proper gratitude to the cast. In the
years of enjoyment it has given me, I still remember
almost losing it on a flight to Des Moines while
listening to JP's run Gan imitation during the Ahwa Journey,
or spinning up my protein drink at the gym wall
you hilariously dissected the fall of WCCW, or that last
Colisseum home video, or JP's Andre the Giant Impression, which
always gets me. Moments like these and many more deserve
much more thoughtful recognition and book form, which brings me
in my latest project, the eleventh book in the series,
called The Unknown Critic presents Enhancement Talent, a glorious tribute
to Pro Wrestling's job guys and mike men, historical comedy
book profiling over one hundred jobbers and thirty commentators, many
well probably all of whom you have roasted on the
show in one way or another. In this book, I
built in an expanded mini book midbook chapter called the
Lapsed Legends, How the Lapsed Fan Podcast enhances wrestlers forgotten stories,
weaving in the overall theme of talent enhancement, and how
the cast does this like no other. I also reference
the cast in a number of other parts of the book,
because really, this book book, more than Slantastic Stupidity, is
the definitive work on wrestling Jobbers, a true love letter
to the lost art of jobbing, something now mostly forgotten
in a Neira gone by, never to return. No other
podcast aside from yours, even mentions jobbing, hence included. Including
a lapsed fan tribute in this one was a no brainer.
So there you go. Is there an audience for this
book outside of the TLF solar system. Highly unlikely, as
girl La Monsoon might say, I've sold highly unlikely, brain,
Oh my god. Unless there is a that's perfect, that's
exactly what he's going for. Unless there's an audience somewhere
curious about the career arcs of guys like Jerry Monty,
Italian Stallion, Bob Cook and other Legends of Laying Down.
It will probably get lost in the Amazon shuffle. I frankly,
I don't care, though, because it was so damn fun
to put together, and it gives proper praise to the
Lapsed Fan. It's the kind of book I would want
to read as a fan of wrestling in the eighties,
as many, if not all, of the job guys I
put in the book are more interesting than today's main
event talent. And some of these jobbers even wrote books
that you might want to hunt down for additional cast fodder.
Speaker 3: Hope, hope he did a tribute to Philipolo Philip.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's in there. I can't say for sure, but
we definitely appreciate the acknowledgment that the Lapsed Fan provides
fuel to so many wrestling fires out there. And Andy,
best of luck with the book, and we hope that
by flagging it here for the Solar System we get
some eyeballs on it. Gordon wants us to know I
was absolutely hysterical, my god, he writes, I was in
the gym trying to work out with TLF in my ears,
Dusty finding crumbs in his folds. Dusty has more rolls
than Ben Dusty folds eighty Dusty's mammary glands. He sweats
chicken stock, bringing out his arm over a pot.
Speaker 3: Let's imagine, you know, the the flabby you know, he's
got like flabby arms. Come on and just stop hangs
around there and it's like the you know, rip drip drips.
Oh Christ, you know you have to he likes to.
He likes to hang his arm over a pot so
he can just drip the chicken stock.
Speaker 2: Well, it says right here, ladling hot tub soup because
he being oh good lord, it just kept going. I
had take a five minute break. Amazing work. Keep it up.
That's the brilliance, Gordon, is that's considered work, you know, yes, right,
if that's good work, and then let it lung continue, Yeah, exactly.
I want to thank the anonymous gentleman who joined the
executive producer tear We see You. Rob wants us to
know whether it used to be a production assistant. At
the Pittsburgh Steelers game. He mostly did nothing during the
game itself, but got to listen to the booth in
the headsets. This is part of our discussion around adding
crowdsweetening noise and how it's such a pro wrestling trick.
But of course it's not, of course not. Of course,
the whole world resembles pro wrestling way more than we realize. Yes,
Rob writes, if the crowd was down, they'd be like
throw the noise meter or whatever their version of it
was called up there, And I don't know if it
was a shoot, but there would be times where it
didn't peak at the end. This is where they show
that little uh thing in the corner during WWP at
least so stupid still, they pretty much just never wanted
a second of dead air. So that's why you do it,
is to get the crowd up during moments where they're
kind of down. I say, wdwe doesn't really use it
that way. They don't like show it when people are
being quiet. But it is funny and interesting to me,
how how gotten to even NFL franchises are about a
lack of appropriate enthusiasm Like who cares? Exactly? Why do
they care? Why does it even cross their mind?
Speaker 3: Like if it's good, it's a good game, Like isn't
that what fucking matters? Like, Oh, we're producing entertainment show
in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: No, you're not.
Speaker 3: No, stop you know what when I'm when I'm watching
a football game, I don't care about the crowd there.
I care about the Patriots winning.
Speaker 2: It is true, though, when I watched when I watch
an NFL Sunday game, like, there is this kind of
phony sound the whole time, it's like an echoey and
I always just chalk that up to the you know,
the structure and nature of NFL stadiums. But I could
also see a lot of it being just like totally forced.
And I'm not suggesting they put fake crowd noise in there,
but the idea that they have to like rile the
crowd up for the television cameras and not for the team.
It's kind of weird, but it happens. Sam wants us
to know that Bullion of the Woods had him in
tears going down the freeway. Damien Thorn, thank you very
much for your executive pure.
Speaker 3: You're ready for this, by the way, you know, you
know what's you know what it's gonna be excited. Uh
NFL preseason starts.
Speaker 2: That's fucking That was part of my question about pumpkin spice. Yep,
well that's going on now. I'm ready, I'm ready. Give
it to me William Murphy. Please thank you very much
for joining the EP tier. Christopher writes me, Man, I'm hungry.
I can't wait to have lunch. It's gonna be great, boss.
During the dusty tangent of this episode, sweat and feces
and denim. Oh because he's fucking Oh because he's eat
the fucking burritos and droplets of urine O me, Chris Wrights, Well,
I guess I'm never eating again. Clash the Champions, baby
find it. No no, no underwear. That's what it was
because he wears no underwear, doesn't when he just fucking
freeballing it all right with just just sweaty ass that
from our coverage of the final WCW Clash of the
Champions in nineteen ninety six. Slammy Awards eighty six Part two.
Corey comes in as always with the fact checking the
masked wrestler in the Land of a Thousand Dances mister
X the you know the music video that they produced
for the wrestling.
Speaker 3: Album Yeah Stupid.
Speaker 2: Yes, he wants us know that was none other than
Danny Davis and Bear. Dario is also in the heel
crowd for long, and he also points out that we
credited George Wells as being in the video, but that
was actually special Delivery Jones. So there you go.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2: For the sake of clarification, Rob asks, how is Dragon
the part of Ultimo Dragon's name that Dusty had a
hard time saying.
Speaker 3: Dragone because he likes to drag on.
Speaker 2: Right, That's for sure? Is absolutely case, Pap writes. Boss
said Mickey Rooney instead of Mickey Wark when talking about
slinging egg salad? Did I say, Mickey, it's funny and
that metal image is funny to me on a level
that is indescribable.
Speaker 3: Mickey Rooney eggs salad is a great visual honestly, because
I picture I picture cranky Mickey Rooney from uh like
Night of the Museum, Yes, where he's just fucking miserable
and just that's and fucking throwing eggs salad at it
at different customers.
Speaker 2: Of course, that final Clash of the Champion episode was
a tribute to Steve Manga McMichael, who just passed away,
and he wins the US title on that show. I'm
pretty much as crowning pro wrestling achievement such as it was,
and the homie butt stuff and Heenan wanted us to
know a Patreon. This is why I suggested the show.
I knew you guys would go above and beyond and
paying tribute to Mongo. You guys know how to honor
wrestlers and ways other podcasts don't. I'm not saying that
to kiss your ass. I mean, Jesus Christ, you spent
months on cid uty and looked at his life from
all different angles. Who the fuck else would do that?
This is why you two are the best at this.
You do what you do and you don't give a fuck.
People better, people better anybody. Anybody who's thinking of dying
in the next like two years, they better fucking put
a halt on that, right, because that's going to be
a sore disappointment. Yep, We've got a big fish to fry, brother,
and I don't know when that thing's going to be
ready for consumption. Logan's just realizing Blazing Saddles could count
for under the cinemat because of Steve McMichael. He got
the nickname Mango from a character in the movie.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Well, it qualifies anyway.
Speaker 2: Because Alex Carris, Because Alex Carris, So that's taking care
of it's there, Brian Blake. Actually it was quick to
point that out, and so I'm glad you did as well.
You know, Alex Carris Jesus Christ to a whole series
on the fucking Webster TV series. Oh Webster, I remember Webster. Yeah,
I fascinating because he was the dad on that. Oh
my god, you talk to dad. We did the Final
Class show. That was the show where you know, the
nWo comes in the ring and stings crow Lands on
the ropes. Jeff writes, as a teenager, I think this
was the turning point that really made me question the
point of the obnoxious nWo gimmick, which is getting pretty
lame now. But I figured, well, I suppose it'll be
worth it when they get there as such youthful naivete
Maybe that's what we're all nostalgic for a time when
we didn't know any better, and being hugely disappointed was
the exception, not the norm. M Nicholas Chiaparra, thanks very
much for your increase in pledge. Matthew Muns always appreciate
your support on Patreon. Matthew of Madison want to thank
you for joining the Executive producer ter Brie wants us
to know TLF outlived the real WWE network concept. That's
pretty wild. Wow, not truth, that is pretty wild. Bruno,
thank you very much for your cake. We appreciate it.
Same to you, Brandon Davis and Jeff, thank you for
that recent increase in pledge. Neil. Notice out there in
the wild, we gave some some shout outs, some nods
of respect to the ww Vault. Earlier, he found an
article on the Verge with a quote that says this,
like WWE's primary YouTube channel, some videos posted to the
Vault will eventually disappear. Why exactly? And that's where you
lose me. Whatever exclusivity you think is in there, whatever
you think you can sell or whatever the fuck like,
there needs to be a permanent home where we as
fans can know we have access. And I'm not just
saying that because we do a podcast blah blah blah. No,
I'm saying that because that's where the money is for
you guys and for everybody, is having people pony up
to have access to the Vault, irrespective of what other
side deals you might cut to license it out. The
Vault does not need to be exclusive. The Vault is not,
you know, the streaming service should not care that there's
more than one way to get the archives, if the
archives are such an afterthought like you always seem to
tell us they are, right, right, If nobody subscribes to
Peacock or the network for the old old stuff, and
nobody watches the old stuff, then why does that stuff
need to be exclusive and shopped around as an exclusive
packaged all the platforms? Why can't it be in three
places at once?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Why can it be on Peacock and Netflix? Exactly?
Speaker 3: If nobody cares?
Speaker 2: Exactly, give me a fucking break. Now, Now, when when
is When is the Peacock thing shutting down? I don't know.
I mean that they're in negotiations soon. I think it's
up in twenty twenty six, the deal, so we'll see.
I mean, who takes the pay per views? You know?
How does that shake out?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Does Netflix go for it?
Speaker 3: But and then isn't uh isn't what happens to the
you know, the archive?
Speaker 2: Im That's what I personally read in the ramping up
of this vault thing. Yeah, was them just basically saying
we'll just put it all on YouTube, which I think
is brilliant. I think it's a great idea and YouTube
has now structured such that you can have our subscription
to see it. The thing is, though, what I'm we're
so annoying though about it is and what I do listen,
I do love it. I do.
Speaker 3: I love the archive, but they don't put on enough
full things. I don't I don't know. I just I
don't care about matches nibbling at the edges. I wish
they would never. I wish they would stop putting matches
up there like that to me is not interesting, Like
I mean, I know interesting right like this, like the
Sunday Night Slam thing they put up there, like that's
fucking amazing. Put those up, you know, like those are
things that you're not going to be able to find,
you know, not don't necessarily put up every single WrestleMania
yet until we can't get it anymore. But like put
up put up these random things that they didn't they
never put up on the on the network, you know,
home videos and and but like I don't care about
these matches, like I don't care about fucking you know,
Steve in RNL and Neville over else start us and
King Barrett. Yeah a summer twenty fifteen, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Now they you know, as much credit as we give them,
they still haven't taken the most basic suggestion, which is
you have to do chronologically complete years. You have to,
there's no other way to do it and maximize the
value of that content. You have to be the viewer.
The customer has to be able to say, here's everything
in the network from nineteen eighty four across all promotions.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: It used to be somewhat structured like that in the
network days, though. You had to go collection to collection,
which was, you know, not ideal, but that's what you
have to do. And any other way you want to
chop and dice it up to make it all bite
sized social content, jerk me off, whatever the fuck, you
can go and do that, but the whole show has
to rest somewhere if you really want to make the
most money you can off this thing. And I'm not
going to accept anything less. Yep, I'm not going to
pretend these half measures from the are the full measure
because we had it already. We had the full access
to just about everything they had. So don't tell me
it's not possible and not worth it. You already did it.
It's there. It's done, it's digitized. Where is it? Where
is it? And why is it at my fingertips right now?
God damn assholes, It also says in this Verge article,
as John Cena continues his final year of entering action
for the company, a collection like the one below is
guaranteed to rack up views. The edit is really raw
and it's not a full in and out of each moment.
Bray Band said, this is brave. Band must be someone involved.
So we're hoping that sits on the channel for a
while as Sena does this last run. So which videos,
Neil asks will disappear? Brother, Yeah, exactly, exactly, yep. Amard
asks wanted to post a question of the co chairs
in the community. Has Roman now surpassed Sina? That's what
in terms of impact stardom um? He says, there's a
lot of kids whow up in the two thousands who
think seen as the goat, which is a nonsensical opinion.
The hill turn was way too late, and I'm sure
we can blame Vince for that. Up until about twenty ten,
when Seena had built enough equity to insist in the
heel turn, he was just too much of a yes man. Roman,
on the other hand, told Vince, if you don't turn
me heel, I'm done, and then went on to have
a run for the ages. In my opinion, he has
now surpassed Sena or he definitely will when all of
a sudden done. What say you, folks, Uh, it's hard
to say because Sina Sena has had such longevity and.
Speaker 3: You know, was God. I mean I would. I would.
Speaker 2: Wager that he has main evented more pay per views
than anybody yep at this point. Yeah, just there was
that many more to man event.
Speaker 3: I know, And but I don't like Roman. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2: My answer to that question is yes, yeah, you yes, surpassed. Yes,
Roman has surpassed Sena in terms of meaning something to
the w W audience. I'm not saying that on every
measure Roman outpaces Sena, but Roman made it matter almost
two times as much as Johnson made it matter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I guess. Yeah. You know, when when
push comes to shove, like Roman, Roman knew what he
could do. Roman knew that he didn't need to be
hated like legitimately hated by people. He knew that he
could do something that meant something, and he.
Speaker 2: Know what he is. Did it He's a better professional
wrestler than John cena Is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: And that was the question, and so that's my answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about his run made more money overall, more transformational,
he was more fascinating to watch, more is stickier. He
made all kinds of people, mostly a relatives, and he
just made made it you feel locked in like you
were watching a great be great With Sina, it was
like you were watching a guy who's going to be
remembered as great, kind of be somewhat less than great
in any given moment, but you look at the totality
and you realize there was greatness there. But night in
and night out, it didn't feel great.
Speaker 3: But it's a weird thing now because because you know,
there are people who when they became fans, he was
the guy, right, and so it's a very it's a
very you know he like that. We've heard that he
was their Hulk Hogan And how do you it's tough
to deal with. It's it's a very tough. It's tough
to deal with, but it's also tough to kind of analyze,
like how do you we as wrestling fans who have
been fans since, you know, for you know, thirty plus years,
we've seen more evolution in the business than people who
started watching when they were kids in two thousand and six,
seven whatever, and started watching during the peak of John
Cena's years.
Speaker 2: And it's like and it's it's hilarious because they've seen
very little evolution of the business. Yes, they've seen very
little change. Oh Sena. Sena's run is chiefly characterized by
WWE running in place. From an evolution standpoint, there was
absolutely nothing that changed about their presentation during his run,
right right. He redressed the set every two years, you know,
and that was it added to new camera tricks. But
it was so Vince was so patterned by that point,
so patterned, and you know, it wasn't all bad. There
were patterns that were good that helped them peak. WrestleMania's
pretty brilliantly through that whole time. But my god, there
is nothing you could point to that it was like wow.
Before John Cena it was like this, and after John
Cena was like this, Like no, it's all pretty much
the same as when he first got belted up and
became the guy that you know, took up all the
oxygen Sina was. You know, he's just too cringe to
any times. And Roman was cringed too when they were putty.
So I'm not blaming Sena.
Speaker 3: But but but you know what, But the thing is,
though I don't think see Roman wasn't cringe. Roman was
made to be, so is John. Yeah, but John Cena, John,
But look at Scena. Though Sena has the Sena right
now has the ability to not be cringe, and he's
still cringe. So I don't know if that's true or not.
I mean, I think, yes, he was given that, but
I think he chose, he chose to not.
Speaker 2: He's irredeemably been altered. Yeah. Yeah, that the Sena who
wasn't cringe that we had before he became the superhero,
you know, the dug anomics, John Cena. We know we
can go back to that. But he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He chooses not.
Speaker 2: He has the power to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's what's there.
Speaker 2: I think the he'll run decides it. Roman turns heel,
lights the business on fire, creates some of the most
memorable stuff we've seen it in a generation. Scena turns
heel and all people are doing is wondering when he's
gonna turn back babyface. That's uh. That says a lot
right there in terms of who the better pro wrestler
is between the two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, and I agree with you.
Roman is better. Yeah, Roman is better.
Speaker 2: That's the question, right, that's the answer. Richie has a.
Speaker 3: Great but I don't but like it was surpassing, what
is that? I don't even know what it meant. By
surpassing though, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: It means either, I can only assume he means in
terms of going down as an impactful figure in WW history,
you know, in terms of contributions and impact. And I
still think Roman gets it, honestly, even if it was
a shorter period of time, it was much more intense
than Sina ever managed to create. Yeah, because I've seen it.
You know, if you give scene as much time as
Romans got to create that, the lasting impact he would
have shipped the bed, it would have been a fart
in church, you know, there wouldn't have been that country
been true to the Is it true to the the
kids who grew up watching John Cena as their hull Coche?
I don't know. I can't speak to that. But I
watched the whole thing and say what you will. But
when hul Cogan was those kids hull Cogan, it mattered.
When John Cena was those that kid's hull Cogan, it
was cringe shit. And the shows every single week were
predominantly about how people just were not with Sina, not
with the presentation. And even though there were kids in
there trying to shout, you know, out shout the people
that were creating the reactions that made it into the
television microphones, that did not happen tohul Cogan until it
was too late, and that did not happen in the
reverse way to Roman. Even so, that's what I can say. Yeah,
Richie says about Russev wondering if you could ask the
boss man if my idea for av Rusev? Yeah he's back,
is he?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came back like two months ago now. But
that'll tell you a lot about how I'll tell you
a lot about how I backtfully has there hasn't been,
I guess there it is in the come Back to
us AW repatriation program. Was wondering if you could ask
the boss man if my idea for a faction name
would be good. I think the mention of food seals
it russev should helm an Eastern European faction called Beef
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but he says, what I can tell you with certainty
about real American freestyle wrestling is that it ends up
in a fucking hill of litigation and a Peter Teel
finance pardon for the Hulkster. Well, not so much. Perhaps
beyond the grave, a cynic might suggest. Hogan and Bischoff, See, yes,
this whole thing is while the unregulated nial system is
the last opportunity to get over another for personal gain. Yeah,
and no reasonable person might foresee this ending, as did
Houlgan and Bischoff's botched arbitrage foray into European video gambling. Yeah,
I was ill fated. But let's review today's AP coverage
and appreciate two matters of scale. First, the extent to
which is a precise reprise of the TNH scam. Second
to the sheer scope of physical beating this writer would
sustain at the hands of the lapsed editor had he
not recently accepted a buy out from his new VC overlords.
Hulk Hogan felt. The article reads, the AP article reads.
Hulk Hogan felt sure he was onto something. The idea
was so exciting that I get a chance to be
involved with all these young people and help guide them
in any way, especially to make them huge stars and
create a future for them. He said. People might be surprised,
but wrestling is wrestling. Brother Eric jumped in with both feet,
and he's doing a lot to guide this ship right now.
Brother Hogan said, Oh my god, he's setting so much
stuff up production wise, just moving us forward light years
ahead of where we would have been on it could
have been on her own. I see this as an
opportunity for me to get involved, Hogan said, to get
back sitting on the couch, to get involved with a
bunch of powerful athletes that I can relate to as
far as championship material, guys that are on top of
their game, and I just I couldn't pass on it nauseated.
Speaker 3: Chris, could he pass away on it?
Speaker 2: Yes he did, And I don't know what the return
is going to be like coming up to the end
of August for this event. But that is the exact
thing he used to say in TNA to the exact playbucket.
Really is my God help us. You and Taylor, thank
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much for the cake. William wants to know. Wants us
to know that he was listening while molling his lawn
this afternoon. His neighbor's daughter was leaving for prom. This
is while he was listening to Blockers. Oh my god,
her dad walked her out to the car and stood
the front yard after she left, almost hyperventilating. And that
is very much like the John Cena Will Ferrell comedy.
Speaker 3: Because no, no, not Will Ferrell.
Speaker 2: John Al Ferrell is the one with what's his face with? Yeah,
with the fucking rock and Sam Jackson jump off the gud.
Speaker 3: That's still the greatest fucking thing for honest to God, ever,
it's such a great it's such a great idea great
shot and so funny. No, but John Cena and Uh
Leslie Mann and Ike Ike Uh his name.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Hike Eisenhower, I think on Frog. Thank you very
much for your pledge on Patreon. We love it. Christopher
says you dipped into why Scena comes across the quote
unquote weird and for a long time I have just
accepted he likely has o CPD obsessive controlsive compulsive personality disorder.
Not a bad thing to be a just many observations
I've made over the years. I find him fascinating as
a person. I agree he might he might have that.
I agree. I mean the way he comes off on
Total Diva is like that. He doesn't even try to
hide it for the cameras. This big time tell uh
the enforcer paul'slicky. Thank you very much for your recent
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joining us up there. On the Executive Producer Tier, DJ
Smittie writes, Hey, chat Sina, what tips can you share?
That helped you learn how to play piano. Answer. I
genuinely wanted to learn how to play piano, and then
I did and I became great at it.
Speaker 3: Oh he fucking talked about like that.
Speaker 2: He's that in that interview, in that weird interview where
he like he you know, oh God, listen to him.
Speaker 3: Talk is so nice Obvia.
Speaker 2: So it's you can only take very small doses of it.
It's so like, you know, he he he acts like
he acts like the way he.
Speaker 3: It's it's almost like.
Speaker 2: He thinks he's dispensing wisdom all the time.
Speaker 3: Well, well that, but he also comes across like he
doesn't almost understand, like it's so easy to do this.
It's so easy to be great things if you just
do what I do. And it's like, do you understand
you're crazy? Like you're you're you You're one of those
people who are just who's insane and can just kind
of drop whatever they're doing to focus on one thing
for like three weeks and get great at it. And
I'm not listening. I'm not criticized. I think that's great.
I wish more people could be like that, but most
people aren't like that. He's he's you know what he is,
he's childless. I mean that that's what Randy or hit
him with, right well, Andy Orton hit him with that
on one of the promos leading up their backlash match.
Speaker 2: And it's the truth, really there, You know, there's no
We should always be very careful if we want to
be fathers or mothers in this life, patterning ourselves at all,
or taking any lifestyle advice or taking or modeling ourselves
at all after people who don't have kids, because that
is ninety percent of the reason they are the way
they are, right right, come on, folks, give me fucking
I listen, and I you know again, I'm not I don't.
I think I've said this before. My therapist tells me
this all the time that she she says that that's
the last stage of becoming an adult, is having kids,
and that there are people who don't ever achieve that stage. Yes,
like you don't actually grow up. Like if you don't
have kids, you never actually complete growing up. I think
it's very hard to say you did. Absolutely agree.
Speaker 3: I think so too, because because because having children requires
giving up some like releasing so much of what you
want for yourself. That's right, that's right, in order to
give it instead to your children, that's right. Ungrateful fucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, and they'll never show the appropriate gratitude.
Speaker 3: Until they have kids. I mean, how many times I've
how many times I've apologized to my dad and said, man,
there you go. I never realized how much of a
dick I was you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's absolute truth, and it's it's it's
just a different perspective. It's like, if you don't have
that perspective, it's like, you know, we're not we're not
speaking the same language. We're just not.
Speaker 3: And again I'm not I'm not judging anybody, but it's literally,
it's literally, it's completely a world you just you can
never understand until you live through.
Speaker 2: I think that's true. Yeah, because you don't know yourself yet.
You don't know that part of yourself. It doesn't come
out until you're in that position. You haven't accessed it.
You don't know who you are as a parent. You
have no clue.
Speaker 3: Until until you're until you are until you have to
wake up five times in the middle of the night
and tried so desperately to feed your child, yes, feed
your infant, until like as fast as possible, because if
you don't, if you don't do it fast enough and
get them back to sleep fast enough, you're not going
back to sleep, correct. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: A guy like John Cena can't do that because he's
got to go to the fucking he's done eighteen hour.
Speaker 3: Day, right, and he had got to and listen like
because because you know what, because here's the thing, because
nobody who's had his fucking career and lifestyle ever has kids, right,
there are a million people.
Speaker 2: But that's to your point, that's why he's so over
the top, right, you know, with what he can do
exactly because he doesn't have that at any point, right,
because he can just worry about himself.
Speaker 3: I mean that means that too he looks selfish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's very straightforward about that. But you
know he thinks he thinks makes it a virtue. Well okay, but.
Speaker 3: I mean no, it's I'll tell you it's a it's
a it's a it's only a virtue to those who
can share it with his lifestyle, right exactly. Anybody else
Just fuck off, dude, Just fuck off your piano playing.
Just walk off a bridge.
Speaker 2: Personal growth yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: See I think what we can do together?
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, I can't. It's a very simple thing.
All you have to do is just take the time.
Make the time stop, make the time, do it yourself,
make the time. We don't have time. There's no time
to make it. Dumbas, but I don't tell that if
you want to sleep. Don't tell if you want to
sleep exactly exactly, if you're willing to give up some
sleep now we're talking. Yeah, don't tell that to Peter
Butler or Sam Rivers or Drew Nichols or Adam b
or Lil Cookie or Lee Joanno or Ricky Gonzalez or
Billy Bob or for Telly or Jared Murray or Cody
Quinny or Miguel Aragon or Nick O or Travis or
jaredt Dobson or Drell Watkins Wilkins pardon me, or Chris
Thomas or Ed j or Chromas Lamb for that matter,
or Matt Butler or Andrew Trudeau or Jason or Mark
Townsend or Spice Boy or eesc or Brandon m or
Colby Hartzog. Don't tell that to Rob Brown or Neil
Forbes or Garrick Taylor. Don't tell that to Stephen Prescott
or a Soul or Jonathan. Don't tell that to Persephonie Oliver.
These are all folks, yes, who have put money on
the table via Patreon for your co chair since the
last time we were with you. In the mailbag, Austin
writes in honor of seen A breaking the record for
most title wins the co chairs. Watch him get a
beer funnel stuck up his ass and blockers. How marked
the occasion under the cinemat How about when Dom wins
the Icy title at WrestleMania. You're gonna tell me that's
not worth your Patreon dollar. James Wright's listening to the
Boss on the live call of Dom winning the Icy
belt knowing what was to come, was incredible. Boss. You
should hear some of the reactions this guy's getting, especially
with the triple A. I just saw this video being
vindicated on Dom, Like, you don't believe this guy's gonna
be the biggest heel in the business.
Speaker 3: Yep, he's gonna be massive. He is. He is, He's brilliant.
Speaker 2: He's a brilliant and I never really it didn't sing
game with me, but like that bilingual stuff like his
understanding the Luca mentality and his dad's stature in that world. Like, God,
he's gonna be like a multi lingual star. You can
do so much with this kid. And look at his
mustache and look at his hair. Oh I look at
the look on his face.
Speaker 3: There is there is nobody in this current age who
I approve of the mustache other than Dom.
Speaker 2: Look at the man.
Speaker 3: He's just brilliant.
Speaker 2: He's brilliant. He's brilliant. Everything he does brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's it's just a fucking he's just he's
he's he's spectacular. It's funny going back and looking at
all the WrestleMania comments about how cringe Travis Scott was
and now it totally fell apart with him in WWE.
He was not interested in putting in the work at all.
So that WrestleMania main event finish is going to go
down is even more pathetic, not just because Rock couldn't
grace it with his presence because he saw the ship
show was going to be, but the fact that Travis
Scott went nowhere and they wasted that WrestleMania main event
real estate on somebody who wasn't even going to show
up again. Yep, it's going to be a real sad flow.
Speaker 3: So it's it's continuing to really just completely obliterate this
John Scena heel turn. Yes, correct, all right, it's continuing
to be a complete fucking joke.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of what we're going to see
when we hit Comedy Village between nights one to two
is we're going to look to that night Summer Slam
and be like, you know what, guys experiment over. I
look forward to chopping up with the Solar System members
who join us in terms of how closely we've been
watching the scene of hill Turn and what does and
doesn't work, because we may very well be marking the
end of it in New York City for all intents
and purposes coming up at SummerSlam.
Speaker 3: Scott, I did. I have seen some things where people
talk like there's there's there's to do something, some talk
that that it's going to end, that the heel turn
is going to end at SummerSlam.
Speaker 2: Really funny as people don't think that that was the
plan all along.
Speaker 3: Oh right, And of course, of course I forgot about that.
I forgot that. I forgot that this was the plan
three years ago, right, what we do.
Speaker 2: That's right, And what we do is deliver, you know,
on stories, and that's well.
Speaker 3: We deliver on story based entertainment.
Speaker 2: That's true. I mean, how canna fault you for that comment?
Speaker 3: No, listen r R. The way we entertain is based
primarily on story.
Speaker 2: And Scott Michael Ferry is speaking of New York. Oh shit,
sounds like there may need to be a mote tear
pilgrimage to the New York Golden Steer. Oh yeah, popped
me plugging the cream corn. He remembers the vague yeah,
oh are you excited? Oh, I'm very excited. I keep
I go to the website like once a week to
see if they have a fucking date yet for the
New York Steer. William back in the Mania days, I
didn't watch the mains. I listened to that fucking cast,
but I was watching the raw after with my wife,
who also was lapsed. She watched WCW with her grandmother
and went to a thunder taping, so she qualifies anyway.
The highlights from Cody were playing, and she happened to
look up from her phone when the shot of the
skull helmet came up, and she said, with all lapsedness,
what the fuck does he have on his head? Exactly
that's exactly right. And William also has a helpful suggestion
WW needs to hire Kevin von Eric to come out
and shoot down a drone and have him say I'm sorry, dude,
I thought it was a quail.
Speaker 4: Fuck.
Speaker 2: Steve says, just a follow up on the ground here
in Vegas, Dom was hands down the most over guy tonight.
People were chanting dirty Dom as they left the arena.
Speaker 3: I don't see how this is a surprise to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you listen to us, it wasn't. Evan uh
says back then, can't wait for that Travis Scott program. Brother,
I'm reminded why I'm a fucking moron for watching this shit,
watching flair funk to stop me from pulling the trigger,
he says. Fucking Pap says scene attorney during the match
makes so much more sense, and I would put money
behind that being the original plan. Okay, now I'm gonna
call that. I think I saved this for something else
that he said, Uh yeah, And I think this needs
to be kept in mind whenever people wonder what it
is exactly they get for their Patreon dollar. He writes,
there's something magical about waiting until the next day to
watch Mania in sync with the live call Yeo Sky,
making her entrance clearly emotional, screaming her heart out. Boss,
What does he say at this moment? There was ham
and lamb. I can't imagine what was because it was Easter.
Speaker 3: It was Easter weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were talking about where we had
at Easter and there was ham and Lamb. It's true,
Justin writes Toerco Chairs, I hope you and your families
had a blessed Easter. Quick story only select fuel appreciate.
I went to my new widowed aunts house for Easter
this year. She lives a bit away, so again the
Mania mood. I listened to the TLF, seen a special
report on the way. When I arrived at my aunt's
on Saturday afternoon, her house was about ninety degrees because
it was eighty and Jersey and she never is out
on the air on that doesn't have the air on
or open a window because she's old and gets cold.
After some family fun, I smoked a bowl and settled
in on Mania Night one, about an hour into the show.
My sister comes in the room, thinking out loud and
rhetorically says to my mom, what are we gonna do
about this heat? Naturally, I sprung into action, looked at
her and said, whoa, brother, let's dial this back. Who
you been talking to? That this happens in real American
living rooms because of us?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: She looked at me with utter disgust and said, what
the fuck are you even talking about?
Speaker 3: You eat?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yea. I try to explain. She just walked away.
She'll never know the pain. And what an absolute fuck
was the ending of Sina Cody. Yes, you guys are
fucking awesome. We love it, pal, we love we love
the little slice of Life. Brendan says it well, WrestleMania
is prom for wrestlers. That is the problem. Wow, Robert says,
can we get an indie wrestler to use Philip Glass
as their walkout music so we can get clean as
cot seat under the cinemat Correous got Carlos out in
Colorado Springs. Greetings Jack and JP. This is random, but
not without merit. Based on Mike Tyson's contribution to the
forever changing Monday Night Wars rating swing.
Speaker 3: I mean, can I honestly could could there be? I
would love it if there was a faction called Kotzi
and then there was like there was one who was
like you had kis, you had power and he had not,
all right, and that's it's just like that's the name.
Then that there, that's their faction name is Kotzi.
Speaker 2: I can imagine if you can get behind that. I
think that would be like so absolutely fucking insane and
fucking fucking like godfre Reggio. I don't even know if
he's dead or not, but he's like, what the fuck
is what the yeah, he's still He's still. God, he's
a mess, but he's still alive. Like he's like what
good imitation?
Speaker 3: Totally?
Speaker 2: Carlos says, based on Mike Tyson's contribution to the forever
chaining My Night worst rating swing in January ninety eight,
could you find it in your hearts to cover the
baddest man on the planet? Considerable criteria being his available
on YouTube and the best sports documentary ever made Fox
Beyond the Glory, and several really bad made for TV movies.
His cameo in The Hangover All that Teddy fucking Atlas
is the Bruce Hard the Beyond the Glory of the
Beyond the Glory, the Jake Palm Netflix Tobacle. I'd start
the bidding at one hundred dollars if such a bidding
process exists for the greatest duo to ever cover Carnie
bullshit and sometimes real stuff. I realized that Under the
Cinemat isn't the Hopper, but god damn, this would be
such an amazing thing to hear, the greatest podcast on
Earth cover. Thank you if you happen to read or
consider this TLF for life. Well, thank you, Carlos. What
do you think Boss Mike Tyson ever going to be
Under the Cinemat?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely qualifies, no question, No, absolute qualifies. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: He qualifies just on you know, because for a number
of things, but especially because of Wrestling fourteen. Listen. He
was totally very very easy one in that it's an
easy one. His involvement him being part of d X,
like all that stuff. He's he's he's there, no question.
Speaker 2: Morgan's enjoying the mote tier in Wrestle Mamia on the
Vince McMahon versusll Cogan one that you posted, Yes, he
wrote underneath quote quoting your mom. They're both down, but
nobody is counting. Yep, every single time, every single time, listen,
I have to so So I I already talked about.
Speaker 3: How you know we we we watch in batch okay,
in bulk form, were the costco of watching wrestling matches,
And so I'm telling you so sometimes we'll watch four
to six matches in a day when I when I'm around,
I like to get a month in when I when
if if I'm if she's visiting or if I'm visiting
or whatever, I like to get a month's worth of
content in. And so we're gonna watch four to six
matches in a row. Every match it's like starting from scratch.
I have to explain every match why how a pinfall works.
And it's like we just saw a match, but I
have to restart. It's like it's honest, it's like a
reset button happens every time we start a new match.
It's it's unbelievable. I mean, and it's totally legit, like
it's not it's not you know, it's it's like it
just went in and out. It's like it just went
in out and all of a sudden, like this match
then it's like we watch a regular match, and we
watched another regular match, and it's like, for some reason,
the rules in the previous match just don't qualify for
the next match.
Speaker 2: Hell, I don't blame her. I mean every you sprinkling
ec W and stuff. This doesn't make any sense. There's
DQ here, not account Oh yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 3: It's you know, you.
Speaker 2: Can tap out in this match to submit, but in
this match he slamming the mat in a submission hole.
But it's not a tap.
Speaker 3: Yep, and like, but the best is that is when
you see is when she sees two wrestlers on their
backs on the ground, she doesn't nderstand why nobody's getting
counted out. Well, you got to cover the guy Mom
called the double down. Jesus put the crowd up. What
I know, that's a good question. Brother puts his hand
in the end.
Speaker 2: Whoa whoa, whoa whoa in between you guys. Here's a
little lap slice of life from Zach at a conference
at a fancy hotel, listening to the cast while I
walk to the seated breakfast. Take out my AirPods and
my phone, Kate shoot and my phone shows this time
to not be silent, but instead loudly plays the boss
singing Sergeant Slaughter's baby Face song at the fancy conference.
Oh Jesus, correct, it's happening out there, folks, Rosalie Caine,
Scott Jerck de Rosier, Twaan, Matthew Wallatchuck, Michael Fisco, Sean
three point sixteen, Ben Buck, Andrea Angrisane, Andrew Brister, and
so many more. Jim Rocco, they just must support that
fucking cast. Amber wants us to know. Help. I'm an
IRS fan. I coach you.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 2: For some reason, when I was a kiddo late early
at late eighties early nineties, I had a fascination with
entertainment branded fictional characters who were tough guys but wore
ordinary clothing bonus points if they bled on their duds.
I suppose for a farm girl like myself that such
juxtaposition was impressive. At the time, it felt to me
like Diehard's Bruce Willis had introduced the battered and bloodied
hero to the culture. So when I first saw the
Hasbro Irs figure at KB Toys, I thought, Oh, here's
another take on that formula. An ordinary Joe who had
a day job but was also a bruiser. Look at
those arms, and as a fan of de Biassi, of
course I had become an IRS fan too. Needless to say,
I failed to convince my friends that Rotundo was ever cool. Still,
he remains one of my favorite hasbros to this day.
Maybe it says something that is modern figures all suck
with ill fitting glasses and suspenders. That original figure lined
went a long way and inspiring a kid's imagination, making
even jobbers often seem cool. They were my introduction to
this shame we call wrestling, so I created stories in
my head long before ever seeing a WW match. To
Vince's point right about how we set the platform, we
set the template.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the attached advertisement. I found
proof that I left his mark. Yes, there's a it's
a utility pant that's on sale in like a fashion magazine.
And then the red suspenders looks just like IRS man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that Hazibro figure though, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: No, I was not a fan of the stomps. The
stomp figures were awful, terrible. They were they were. There
were three figure styles that just didn't work. The stomps
the weird push down the feet and the arms flail
around and then the pushdown the lakes together jumpers not
a fan.
Speaker 2: We mentioned the Raw guest host thing Mike things Heat
from nineteen ninety five qualifies because Piven was involved when
he guest hosted Raw and he called SummerSlam summer Fest.
That's pretty good.
Speaker 3: I know that is again that that might be one.
I let it slide.
Speaker 2: I always think that's the ultimate one. Like that's the
measuring stick because pivn like he did nothing. He just
showed up for some contractual obligation and did the Raw
hosting thing to promote something. Yeah, could care less. But
Heat man, I know right, we all about that around here.
Sammy has another one, boss Man in the Forrest Gump novel.
I did not know this. This is true. In the
Forst Gump novel, he became a successful pro wrestler for
a period.
Speaker 3: That's what he says.
Speaker 2: I gotta look at this discount because we need for Scott.
Speaker 3: That's the whole thing. I I don't. I mean, that's
that's like, because it's in the novel, does that qualify
the movie, right?
Speaker 2: I would think so. I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not denying like, I'm definitely considering it. I gotta
I gotta look it up a little bit. I gotta
do some research on that.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what you come up with.
Robert wants to know if Brad Dorriff did the actual
voice for Chucky on WCW against Rick Steiner. Does blue
Velvet itself qualify shit?
Speaker 3: Is that a fact that we know?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: Is he saying that that?
Speaker 2: He says it like it's a fact. I mean, I
didn't know that, but.
Speaker 3: I'll look it up. I'll look at this. Is this
is also I gotta look into.
Speaker 2: Massive.
Speaker 3: I know this, this could be. These are game changers.
Speaker 2: Scott says next weekend he's gonna do the grilled English,
Spicy homemade mcmuffins, spicy sausage Colby pepper Jack. A quick
go to is also a toastering the smuff and crunchy
peanut butter let, the hot muffin melt the peanut butter fantastic,
and a homemade lodge regular. In case you're wondering what's
for breakfast going forward, Stephen has a cans and I
can say without any doubt, yeah, he wants us to
know that as a because you know, if we're going
to go out on food, we're gonna go out on
food as a cans. And he can say without any doubt,
barbecue sauce is the King condiment, thoughts.
Speaker 3: Ah, the King connon No, I can't say it's the
King condiment. I like, I love barbecue sauce, but it's
gonna be on the right thing. I can't use it
for everything. That's the King condiment then, m that's a
good question, the King condiment. I mean what I like most, honestly, mayonnaise.
I love mayonnaise. I love mayonnaise goes well with most things. Yeah,
I know, I know it is, it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: But I love like mayonnaise with like I can. I
can have mayonnaise with most with pretty much any deli meat,
how fuckingnise? Thanksgiving, sir.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's it's it's it's it. It's what makes it, Honestly,
it's that it's that little that little like such a
it's that see that and the and and the cranberry
sauce or were kind of all together. So it's mayonnaise,
is it? And you know, Manai's on a burger always. Yeah,
I don't go with mayo.
Speaker 2: See, I don't know. If I have a king, I
would say it's barbecue sauce to myself, but not because
I think it's better than everything, but just because it
is the one thing that I know I like on
more than just one type of food. M M, yes, well,
and I do like barbecue sauce, but I'm not see.
I would never put in like mayonnaise on you know,
ribs or chicken. I can't.
Speaker 3: I like to, but I can't picture you would. I
would put mayonnaise on chicken. I would put mayonnaise on
a on a on a grilled chicken or a fried
chicken sandwich, no question. I wouldn't put barbecues on barbecue
unless I was doing a barbecue chicken sandwich.
Speaker 2: I'm supposed say hot honey. Now, isn't that supposed to
be my answer to that question.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, man, I fucking love hot honey, little dab.
I know it's the coolest, doesn't mean it's not delicious.
There's a pizza place, and I there's a pizza place,
and that that's kind of the thing. Now, is hot
honey on pizza? It is so fucking The pepperoni with
it it's it's no, it's I get this. It's sausage,
jalapenos and hot honey, and it is un fucking believable.
It's heavenly correct hot honey. Wins Alli writes, what's the
best for an object? And why is it rolled steel?
Speaker 2: I can't imagine who we could ask that question too.
It's out there is a right's huge fan of the show.
While listening to the Spring mail Bag episode, the idea
of pilgrimage to old arenas was mentioned, and I have
to say, here in Detroit we might have the most
unique idea for lapsed arena pilgrimage. The Silver Dome, Joe
Louis Arena, and Palace of Auburn Hills have all been demolished,
but we still have Cobo Hall now known as Huntington Place,
where the famous Halloween Havoc monster truck battle took place
and where the giant fell off the roof, not to
mention the chic and Bobo Brazil's many exploits. Although I
have the recollection that the Cobo Hall that's referred to
as Cobo Hale now as like adjacent to where the
Sheik did his business. But I'll try to visit the
site soon and send you guys some photos from the
top of the roof, since I believe it's still used
for parking. As a side note, is Detroit the only
place where three major stadiums and arenas have been imploded
with so much wrestling history. Silver Dome with wrestlming E three,
Joe Lewis Arena with Halloween Havoc Survivor series, Austin on
rob with the Zamboni, and the Palace with SummerSlam, World
War three and Luger beating Hog on the one hundredth
edition of Nitro. It used to be better. Indeed, Yeah,
when I think of cities that a body, it used
to be better, Detroit is it. And I mean that
not as a smartest comment about it's hollowed out industrial base.
I mean that as a comment about wrestling and the
things that happen there. Yeah, nothing happens there anymore. The
business I know.
Speaker 3: It's such a it's it's sad. It's really sad.
Speaker 2: Jerome Rice, you mentioned people looking down and realizing what
the chairman are saying applies to them. As someone who
teaches multiple college English classes every time, Jack mentions that
in order to succeed in higher ed one should copy
the writing and speaking style of the professor. I feel
a little attacked, but he's right. Recently a student who
I know for a fact would not listen to the
lapsed fan told another student that same piece of advice. Well, yep,
you know, good ideas have a way of traveling. Uh, yes,
trailing fast. We're going to conclude this episode in recognition of,
you know, having lost hal Coogan by adding him to
the Ultimate WrestleMania Death Toll, which has been a running
tally kept by the homie Christian Hollister for years and
years and years. Oh yeah, and that he recently you know,
informed us uh included has as celebrity wing and everything,
but recently included uh hull Cogan as well. Now he
did send this, let me get the time stamp here.
He did send this several months ago, so there is
a chance that more than just Hull Cogan has been
added to the list. But I think it's appropriate as
we conclude this mailbag episode, the last one in a while,
and it's in its format. Let's see, Well, who's who's died? Well,
Mango and Sabu, Yeah, they were both at WrestleMania. That's true.
That's a good one.
Speaker 3: In fact, WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, I think he would, he would qualify,
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: So all right, so here we go. Oh my gosh,
look at look at these fucking this.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he puts it well. Forty years
of pain, forty years of hurt, forty years of death.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do I'm gonna do it backwards than what
he has here. I'm going to start with the celebrity
wing Achi Bono, Alex Trebek, Aretha Franklin, Bill Frelick, Billy Martin,
Bob Yucker, Bert Reynolds, Cab Cab Callaway. Was that fucking.
Speaker 4: With that?
Speaker 2: I just can this chet Copic, Chuck Webner, Clara Peller,
Darryl Dawkins, Dick Butkis, Ernie Holmes, g Gordon Lyddy, George Steinbrenner,
Harvey Martin, jam Master Jay, Joan Rivers, Joe Frasier, John
Mennick as Herb. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: Oh, Herb is the guy from the Burger King ad campaign,
Oh oh oh, that they hired to show WrestleMania because
he was somewhat famous on TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lemmy Liberaci, Little Richard Lou Duva married Tyler Moore.
Oh my god, she was at WrestleMania for Morton Downey Junior, Muhammad,
Ali Pee Weee Herman, Pete Rose, Ray, Charles Ray Combs,
Reggie White, Regis Philbin, Robert Conrad, Robert Gulay, Robin Leech,
Russ Francis, Steve Allen, Cy Spurling, and William the Refrigerator,
Perry Referees, Dick Kroll, Henry Terra, Nova, Jack Lutz, Joey Morella,
Mickey Henson, Tim White, and now the wrestlers, wrestlers, managers
and announcers is what it's listed as. Adrian Adonis, Andre
the Giant Animal, Bad News Brown, Bam Bam, Bigelow, The
Big Boss Man, Big John stud Bobby the Brain, Heenan Bray, Wyatt, Bruno,
Sam Martino, Bushwhacker, Butch Butch Reid, Captain Lou Albano, Chris Benoit,
Chris Canyon, China, Classy, Freddie Blassie, Corporal Kirchner, Crash, Holly Crush,
Davey boy Smith, Dino Bravo, Doug Furnaces, Dusty Rhodes, the
Dynamite Kid, Earthquake, Eddie Guerrero, the Executioner, the Fabulous Moolah,
Frenchie Martin, General, Adnon, the Genius, George, the Animal Steel,
the Giant, Gonzales, Gorilla Monsoon, Grand Master Sexe, the Haiti Kid, Hawk, Hercules, Hernandez,
Howard Finkel, the Iron Chic, Jim the Anvil, Knightheart, Jimmy
del Rey, Jose Lathario, the Junkyard Dog, Kamala King Kong, Bundy,
Kogi Catal Lance, Cad Little Beaver, Little Tokyo, Lord, Alfred Hayes,
Lord Littlebrook, Luke Harper Slash, Brodie Lee, Luna Vashan, Luscious
Johnny Valiant, Mabel May Young, Matt Bourne, Mean, gene Oakerland,
Mister Fuji, Mister Perfect, Kurt Hennig, Mister Wonderful, Paul Orndorf,
Miss Elizabeth, Nikolai Volkoff, Owen Hart, Pat Patterson, Paul Bearer,
Pedro Morales, Randy Savage, Ravishing, Rick Rude, Razor, Ramon Slash,
Scott Hall, Rowdy, Roddy Piper, Saboo, SD Special Delivery Jones,
The Sensational Sherry, Sir Oliver Humperdenk Superfly, Jimmy Snooku, I
should have added before that, Steve Mongo, McMichael, Superstar, Billy Graham,
Sweet Sweet Sapphire, Skip, Chris Candido, Psycho, Sid Terry Funk Test,
the Texas Tornado Carry Von Eric, Tom zenk U Manga,
Uncle Elmer, the Ultimate Warrior, Vodder, Virgil, Woman, Yoko Zuna,
Hulk Hogan and as always the Undertaker.
Speaker 2: A grim list yeah when we started.
Speaker 3: I mean, let me tell you, that's that's ninety seven
on the wrestlers and managers.
Speaker 2: Alone, unjust WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: Alone, un Just WrestleMania alone.
Speaker 2: And that list was a third, maybe twenty percent of
what it is when we started this whole thing. Yeah,
and so it's only appropriate that we revisit so many
of those halcyon days that characterize the early days of
the cast and the eras we were reaching for. They
were draped in red and yellow, and the cast will
be once again as we send off the Hulkster, the
Guy in so many ways at the nucleus of it
all going forward. We look forward to seeing you August
third at the Comedy Village in Times Square, New York City,
as the co chairman take the stage to put it
all in a perspective, including a special vigil for the Hulkster.
Hear thoughts and sentiments from across the Solar System, and
we'll get right back on the horse to complete Hulk
Hogan on that cast