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diameter and about like eight feet high or something like

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this massive walking stick he's walking, which is just if

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you're a hiker, that's just dumb. That's wasted calories. That's like,

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what are you doing? And the host says, go ub

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and turn around and come back. So I did that,

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but I'm thinking, like, this guy is gonna think we're

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coming back like to him for some reason. So I

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went up and turned around and came back. It was

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a minute because I timed it. Later in the trip,

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we get back and we get out of the car

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and this guy's nowhere to be seen. Now we're on

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a ridgetop, we can look on both sides. This guy's

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nowhere to be seen. It's not about where he went,

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it's about how fast he got there. Man, Like, we

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should be able to see him.

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Speaker 2: People went to and pro fared about their little affairs,

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serene in the assurance of their dominion over this small

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binning fragment of solar dripwood, which, by chance or design,

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man has inherited out of the dark mystery of time

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Speaker 3: Well, hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Into

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the Fray. I am extremely excited to welcome on this

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guest today. It is mister Timothy Renner of the Strange

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Familiars podcast. He is a podcaster, an author, an artist,

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a musician, and an experiencer. And he has a brand

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new book out. It is called The Keystone, Hagstone, Fairies

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and other Mysterious Entities of Pa. Tim Welcome on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: It is so long overdue. I don't know why it's

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taken this long to have you on, but I am

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very happy that you are here. So I wanted to

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mention also your other books, because yes, the Keystone Hackstone

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is now finally out. We will talk about how long

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that took you to write. I would imagine quite a while,

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but people also probably know you besides Strange Familiars podcast

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is where the Footprints in High Strangeness and the Bigfoot

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Phenomenon Volume one and two, by the way, written with

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the wonderful Joshua Kutchin. So a lot to cover here,

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and that is just in the state of PA. Right

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that the Keystone Hackstone is ceturn In.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I had to. I had to limit it somehow.

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outside the state lines. We were gonna get unwieldy here.

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Speaker 3: Like if you go on the entire East Coast, you're like, well,

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with the historical big Foot books I was doing. I did,

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and I did California, Oregon, and Washington State in one book.

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it's so overwhelming. I'll get back to them one day,

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I hope, because I love these old articles of there's

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some in the in the Keystone Hagstone which are not

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about Bigfoot, of course, they're about other strange things. I

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love collecting those old articles and stuff, but it's just

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it's so hard, and then you know, there's just so

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much out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially on your side of things. A lot of old, old,

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old history out that way. And yeah, so Bigfoot in

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pa is another one of your books, Beyond the Seventh Gate.

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I think that come out twenty seventeen or eighteen, something

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then this one. Maybe we need to have

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you back on for this one, because this seems very

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interesting to me. The book is titled I Have Never

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Minded the Loneliness Hermits and their Stories. How did you

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even just really quickly, how did you even get into

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Speaker 1: So it came oddly enough through bigfoot right. So in

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these old articles, bigfoots called, you know, often wild man, right.

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old photo collector. She collects like photos from the eighteen

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hundreds and stuff. And she found this postcard one day

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and she says, here, this looks like a wild man

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and she just gives it to me. It was a

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hermit and it said his name was Billy Woodroff. Said

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Billy Woodroff, the hermit, you know, from Connecticut or something

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like that on the and I sat it next to

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my desk and it just just got overwhelmed by other

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research stuff. You know. It's just paper after paper on

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who is this guy? Had a few minutes and I

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started doing research on him, and he has this incredible life,

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like he fell in love with this woman and she

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broke his heart and he went away, took a vowe

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silence and carried the garretype photo of her for the

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rest of his life. And it's just this incredible story

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about this guy. And he would he would hand out

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hollyhock flowers silent to anybody who passed his house because

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that was her favorite flower. There's this wonderful story and

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hermit photos. Well what am I gonna do with these?

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tribute to these men and women who lived this way

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and who you know, many people would take for forgotten people,

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but their stories are out there. And I guess there's

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this idea of second death. You know, you die once

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and then you die a second time when everybody forgets

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your stories. And to me, it was like, I'm saving

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these people from a second death, and there was a

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lot of research, and that book took a long time.

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trying to keep up with my co author Josh there

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and I'm not doing very well in that. But that

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book took so long to research because these are, you know,

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real people, and I wanted as much as possible to

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get their their lives right. But yeah, I just fell

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traveled around and visited where these hermits were lived in

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this cave or that cave, and I just you know,

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it's the whole thing. So it's not paranormal. But Josh

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Speaker 3: Absolutely it is. I think that is so fascinating. I

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Pond Hernament. I mean, he was what twenty seven years

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long in the wilds. That's it's incredible. I mean, granted

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he had to come in and do a little burglaring

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Speaker 1: And of course, because Bigfoot can't leave me alone that

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first term at William Woodriff, when I look up his story,

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there was a wild man flap around Connecticut where he

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it wasn't reacting and you know, scaring people a lot.

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old hermit, who I can only assume is William Woodriff

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because he lived right there, steps out of the woods

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and someone mistakes him for the Winstead Wildman. Doesn't shoot

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him or anything, but he scares these people and so

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he becomes part of this or this Bigfoot story kind

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of becomes part of William Woodriff's story. I thought it

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was very neat how these things, you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do tend to intersect, don't they. You're like,

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I can't go through one book without Bigfoot pop and

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his hairy head.

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Speaker 1: He's got to tap me on the shoulder, it right, You're.

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Speaker 3: Not going to forget me, Tim. All right, Well, let's

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let's talk a little bit about this book. I've chosen

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a few different cases, stories, whatever you want to label

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them as. Let's let's start off with a very simple question.

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When you've probably about five hundred times at this point,

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I apologize, But what in the world is a hagstone?

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Speaker 1: So? Yeah, well, actually I like answering this because it's

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the title of the book, and I'm sure people are

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keystone hagstone if they don't know. So, hagstone is any

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rock with a naturally occurring hole in it, and there's

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a lot of folk who are associated with them. They

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can heal people, their defense against witches. But one of

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the things attributed to them is that if you look

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through the hole, you're supposed to be able to see

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the other world of the fairies. So the keystone keystone

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is Pennsylvania is the Keystone state. So the keystone hagstone

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Speaker 1: None in Pennsylvania, believe it or not, but I found

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many in Indiana and our last trip to Indiana, I

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was picking up hagstone one after another.

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Speaker 3: Really, I wonder why that is. Why would there be

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such a proliferation of them in Indiana but none in

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which you admit that there may be a book coming

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out about UFOs and then aliens and ghosts. So single ghosts, right,

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the spectral hordes isn't there, which is incredible, but not

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just single ghost stories. So and I'm sure, I mean

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you be and you and your incredible research, you could

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you've already done Bigfoot obviously, but all of these things. So,

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talking about this then don't of course. But the dog

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just there's a personal story in there. So there's this

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great story about uh in Pennsylvania. It's called Their Wolfman's

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this shepherdess May Paul, who all the all the sheep,

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all the other sheepherders, their their flock was getting attacked

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by wolves, but she was being visited by this old

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man and her her sheep were never attacked. And the

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townspeople really didn't like this guy. They're like, who is

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this guy? He's hanging around May Paul, this beautiful young lady,

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at night. So in the morning he follows the trail

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blood and at the end of the trail of blood

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he finds this old man dead and they buried him there,

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always fascinated by it. And I found a fellow who'd

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where it is. I can show you where it is.

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where someone meets her in an inn and she's wearing

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a chain with a wolf's claw around her neck, So

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completely unconnected to that story. If you do the genealogy

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on the Paul family in that region, you will find

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a ton of women with either the first or middle

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named May. So she like this May Paul must have

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been very important. And she was a heck of a

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woman too, because she used to run sheep on the

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Susquehanna River. She put them on barges all the way

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down to Baltimore and then come back alone, like and

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this is in the seventeen hundreds, so like self woman. Yeah,

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and she was noted like that. She's noted to be

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the most beautiful woman in Pennsylvania as well, so she's like,

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you know, here's a beautiful woman on her own, you know,

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driving sheep in the seventeen hundred. She must have been

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quite a force, like so real person. You know, I

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don't know if the wolf was real, but a real

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person who wore a wolf's call around her next to me,

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that's pretty interesting connection there, And of Wolfman's Grub is

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a real place. I've been there, so there's sort of

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this personal story that I have woven into that. So

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it didn't really fit in this book anyway. So I

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just had to do a little bit more research on

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the dog man end of things. I've got the werewolf

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and covered with the traditional stories in Pennsylvania, and then

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that book should be ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait for that one. Well, I think

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you should come back for that when that comes.

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Speaker 1: Out, then I would certainly do so.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're if you're a big movie buff,

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but do you have a favorite werewolf movie?

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Speaker 1: Not a huge werewof guy, I mean a movie guy.

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I am a big werewolf guy. I'm trying to think probably.

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I don't know. Nothin's coming up to the top of

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my head. I'm not great with pop culture stuff. People

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ask me, all, have you seen this?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's good. That means you're you're out, you're

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doing things, You're you're staying.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about the the Robert Eggers Werewolf movie coming

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up though. I'm very excited about that because I love

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his stuff absolutely.

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Speaker 3: The tone in his films is insane, and perfect and

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it's just so well done. What a what a creative person?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I I have a feeling that will quickly

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become my favorite wherewith movie. Yeah, the trailers look amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Well, let's dive in. Let me grab my notes.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: One thing that I love on my show is anytime

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anything comes up that is of a subterranean vein much

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because I think that, uh, splunkers and going into caves

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is terrifying. Uh, I can't. I'm I've one of my

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favorite book on the planet is The Descent and and

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just the thought of whatever's down there beyond caves spiders,

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which is a huge no for me anyway, any kind

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of spider, but anything subterranean I'm automatically in. And we

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are going to start off with Tommy Knockers and where

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they tend to hang out and what they tend to

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do to the people that are working in said minds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're one of these fairy creatures that

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is capricious. I guess we could say they are sometimes

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good and helpful, but if you cross them or you

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don't treat them right, they can they can be quite

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the problem. According to the lure, and they can call

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as well, they'll hide your tools and stuff like that,

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but they could do as much as like cause cave

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ins and stuff, depending on how how Henri I guess

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they wanted to be. These were Cornish and Welsh people

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brought the Tommy knockers with them. And when I say

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brought with them, they brought the lure with them. I

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don't think that Tommy knockers hid in their in their

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luggage on the way over. But it's interesting to me

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how the corps follows people, and you know, I believe

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the people aren't encountering these things. There's an article if

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you want, I'll read it from a guy in the mine,

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you know, talking about how seriously they took this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this is a letter written to a guy who

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wrote for Washington, DC paper, and he was a Scottish man,

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and it says, dear Mac, you have such a good

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Scotch name, so I'm aware you will be giving a

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bit of your valuable time to hearing about something that

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is causing a deal of bother and argument among the

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lads in the coal mines. There's a cornishman called Walter

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Andrew who has a great store of knowledge about the

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Tommy knockers. These little creatures are kind hearted little people,

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and will give a man a warning of a cave

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in or an explosion by tapping on the face of

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the shaft. Sometimes we coal miners think we haven' a

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friend in the world, but we always know that the

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Tommy knockers are looking out for us. Many's the life

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that has been saved by these wee things, and they're

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knocking well this. Walter andrew is pumping water out of

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an old sump when along comes another big cousin, Jack

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and says, the companies ought to put radio in every

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level of the mine so we could have music when

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we were working. Walter Andrews stops pumping and looks as

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if he would be at the other man's throat. Would

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you drive out the few tommy knockers we have left,

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he yells, with all this squealing and blathering coming right

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through the earth. It's bad enough for them as it is.

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With one of these radio boxes with a great din

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filling the mind, how could we hear them knocking? Even

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if they weren't panicked and driven away. The day would

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come when we'd all be caught in a cave in

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with never a word of warning from the little people.

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The other man was strong headed, and we had to

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tear them apart and quiet them as best we could.

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Since then, there's been such a great bellowing and arguing

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among the men that three times the pit bosses had

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to stop it. Yesterday a powder monkey stole the picks

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of two of them to keep them from bashing each

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other with them to have a bit of piece. It

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was thought best that I write you, and which would

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be interested to tell us if there be a likelihood

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that radio could come into the great blanket veins where

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the Tommy knockers hide, and calls them worriment. And then

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the newspaper reporter writes, being somewhat unschooled in both coal

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mines and Tommy knockers, and I do not feel quite

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up to this. Perhaps we should make it in an

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open forum. Can anyone tell what the radio is doing

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to the little people, particularly the Tommy knockers. It's a

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little kind of humor there at the end, but the letter,

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you know, it seems quite they were quite concerned about that.

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Speaker 3: They were very serious about that, yeah, and even sticking

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up for them and saying, why anytime you hear the

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word bother. You know that it can be kind of

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one of these old school words like don't be such

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a bother, don't bother them, don't bother me. I love

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that and anytime, and I know that people get they

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can be a little bit up in arms when you're

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using super old newspaper articles. They can sometimes get a

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little fantastical in their tellings, but it doesn't mean that

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we should just throw them out right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's my favorite article in the book, which we

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can tackle now or later, is a great example of this.

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If you want, I'll just read it now, No, go ahead,

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and we can talk about what it means to for

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this to appear in one of these old articles. So

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the background of this is that a reporter heard some

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strange things were happening in a little area in Burkes County, Pennsylvania,

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and he went there to see what was going on,

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and he stops by a local inn and he asked them,

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you know what's happening. Basically this it's a long article

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going to start in the middle, so basically it starts

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where he's talking to the people. In the end. It

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seemed an important matter to mister Miller, who emptied his

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mouth of a large quid domesticated tobacco, he said. Last Tuesday,

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Missus Daniel White, her daughter Susan White, and Mary Hart's

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three in number went down to the huckleberry strip on

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Miller's farm for the purpose of gathering berries. They were

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there but a short time when they were startled by

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stones and clubs being thrown in the bushes. There was

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no person to be seen. After the first throwing, everything

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was quiet. The women folks then heard strange screeching and

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unearthly noises resembling the hum of the steam engine. They

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were frightened almost to death, and stood riveted on the spot,

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white with fear and trembling. Then of a sudden the

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air seemed filled with light and transparent shadows that flitted

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about under the trees and above the heads of the

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frightened females. Then came slaps, quick and sharp, and the

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young ladies frequently received smacks from the sides of their faces,

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while Missus White received a hard blow in the back

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with a large piece of tree bark. The folks could

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not run, but were obliged to stand still and take it.

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They were with the spirits for nearly an hour before

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they could get out of the woods and hurry on

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towards home. They came back terribly alarmed and frightened. Miss

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White was considerably bruised about the sides, she having been

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struck several times. I inquired whether the woman had so

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stated the case. Yes, yes, answered several men in the barroom.

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This comes directly from missus White, who would not tell

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a lie for the world. A friend of miss Hart said,

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I know miss Hart's very well. She's a very sensible

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young lady. She returned from the burying party very much frightened.

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She did not receive any injuries, but she saw spirits

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running about through the bushes, screaming and making unearthly noises.

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What did she say the spirit resembled, I inquired, The

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young man continued. She says, the object she saw had

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human faces, white flowing gains, and war long hair. They

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were comparatively small and very indistinct, so much so that

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she couldnt make out who they resembled. Certain was she, however,

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that they were the spirits of human people. One kissed

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her left hand, which still bears the mark. It is

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red and a dark streak is on the outside of it.

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Eighteen seventy three that article's from so we have today

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the benefit of podcasts and books and all this accumulated folklore.

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This reporter, writing in eighteen seventy three did not have that.

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That article is like a checklist of things that happens.

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They're going berry picking. We know that's a big thing.

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They hear strange noises, things are being thrown at them

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from unseen sources. In they go back. Later in the

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second part of the article, they go back with the men.

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They have a bad smell. When they go back, you

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get this humming sound which accompanies UFO and fay and

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all these other things. All of these things. It's like

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one check after another. The mark on her hand, which

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is you know that's in fairy reports, but it's all

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you know, reminds one of implants, you know, alien deduction implants.

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You know, the fact that this reporter has a checklist

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of this like weird phenomena. You just go down and go, wow,

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berry picking, this, this, this, this, He didn't. I absolutely

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believe there wasn't the kind of comparative folk or at

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the time he would not have known to put that

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in there. That's something very strange and very real that happened,

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and that's that's the case. Same case with a lot

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of these historical bigfoot articles. They didn't have Sasquatch chronicles

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to listen to back then, they wouldn't know what to

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put in. But they're talking about these things climbing on roofs.

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Such a weird detail. Oh it climbed on my roof.

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We hear it again and again it climbed on my roof.

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That's weird. I mean, I've been on several calls where

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people like, yeah, it was up on my roof, and

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they're like they live in a trail or or a

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house of I'm like, this thing would destroy your roof,

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you know. But there's certain like, no, it was on

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my roof. But again, weird detail that's coming up in

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these old articles and new you know, uh, glowing eyes

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and bad smells and the way they react to dogs,

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and then they seem to know what guns are, et cetera,

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et cetera. So it's coming up. In the eighteen hundreds,

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when I published my historical book, there had been one

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book that published historical Bigfoot articles, but I think it

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had been out of print for many years before I

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did mine. I truly don't believe people are going through

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these old historical articles and making a checklist. Go, Okay,

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when I go on Sasquaest chronicles, I'm going to talk

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about this, this, this, this, and this, so it corresponds

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with these old articles. Now it's a pattern. It's a

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pattern of things that we can look at, you know. Well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially the way that people like myself and

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you and Wes would talk to some of these folks.

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I mean, we really take time with people and flesh

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things out. So yes, they could have a general idea

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of rock throwing and climbing on roofs and whooping, But

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when you really start to flesh it out, that's I

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think when you could quite easily tell if someone is

471
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,440
full of a whole bunch of hot air.

472
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I mean I think I could, you know,

473
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,319
if I want to, just because I know the elements

474
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,960
to include, I could. I could probably type up a

475
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,880
pretty convincing Bigfoot encounter. Now, but I have the benefit

476
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,279
of all these sources, right, Yeah, we spokes back in

477
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,759
the eighteen hundreds, did not. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

478
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:16,599
Speaker 3: We have hundreds and hundreds of episodes of our own shows,

479
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:19,440
let alone all the other podcasts out there to pull from.

480
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,759
Do you think it's it was less taboo back then

481
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,680
tim to share a strange encounter like that.

482
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,759
Speaker 1: Probably not, Probably not. I think I think podcasts especially

483
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,960
have made people a lot more comfortable about talking about

484
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:39,000
I know, even in the time since I've been doing it,

485
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,160
maybe you've noticed it too. People are a lot more

486
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,519
willing to talk about it. When I first started, you'd

487
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,319
ask somebody, you know, be at a party or something

488
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,519
like hey, anything. We're never having feeling like, no, you know,

489
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,519
what are you talking about? You know, now people seem

490
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,759
a little more willing to talk about things. I do

491
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,039
think it's because people hear podcasts and stuff. They just

492
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,720
hear more people talking about it and it seems like okay,

493
00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,279
So yeah, I think probably back then it was maybe

494
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,039
not so. And it also depended on your culture. Like

495
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,000
I know, so we have a Welsh speak like a

496
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:09,799
town where they still speak Welsh or they still have

497
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:16,240
services in Welsh on Sunday there, and I knew these

498
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:20,000
people brought their folklore with them. It's a slate mining area,

499
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,480
I know they had, you know. So I went down

500
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,200
there and I'm talking to the Lady Historical Society and

501
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,440
I said, you know, how do I get these stories

502
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,480
in the Welsh, I know, they have fairy stories. And

503
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,319
she said, you'll never get the Welsh to talk about this.

504
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,799
And I talked to my friend brother Richard from Ireland,

505
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,759
and he said, yeah, he said, it's just the character

506
00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:39,519
of the people. He's like, Welsh don't tend to talk

507
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:42,519
about Irish people talk about it freely. They'll talk about it,

508
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,759
you know, sort of openly and more easily at least,

509
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:49,039
but the Welsh people just for whatever reason, it's just

510
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,960
they don't talk about it a lot. They don't share.

511
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:51,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

512
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's a respect thing for the spirits

513
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,039
or whatever it is that they would talk about if

514
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:01,000
they did, or if it's they feel like it will

515
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,319
compound the activity somehow that there is unwanted.

516
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I probably all of the above, you know, and

517
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:09,839
maybe a little bit of like the outsider coming in too,

518
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,599
you know, right, yeah, you.

519
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:14,759
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, absolutely well. I mean, and you know, to

520
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,200
answer probably my own question, I mean, look what happened

521
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,839
at the Salem witch trials. If you start to even

522
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,200
have a whisper that there's anything strange about you, look

523
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:23,839
what happened.

524
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and collecting these old newspaper counts too,

525
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:30,000
is you sort of get to know, especially when i'm

526
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,720
you know, I'm just using Pennsylvania papers. You get to

527
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,200
know the character of the paper. And some some papers

528
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,839
were very open to this stuff, and they would report

529
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,400
on it very matter of factly, like this happened, you know,

530
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,039
this guy said this. Some are much more skeptical, and

531
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:45,079
they would express that either through making fun of it

532
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,440
or accusing everyone of being drunk. You know, what's what's

533
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,319
the whiskey like over there in Harrisburg?

534
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,039
Speaker 4: You know, whatever?

535
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: You know?

536
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: And some were you know, some combination of both, but

537
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,240
you get you really get to get the feel of

538
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,680
the newspaper. And certainly, like I said, certain newspapers were

539
00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:02,880
very open to just sort of reporting this stuff and

540
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,160
leaving it that without much judgment or or trying to

541
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,359
worry about seeming skeptical, which I think is for newspaper men.

542
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,240
I think that was very important, you know, to like

543
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:15,079
to see their skeptical and like, I don't believe in

544
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:16,680
this stuff, but I'm telling you what the people are saying.

545
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: You probably got to a point where if you'd come

546
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,240
across a certain newspaper, you you you already knew what

547
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,720
was going to be saying and the types of buzzwords

548
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,599
that we're going to be in there.

549
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:27,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of times you can say, oh, this

550
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,519
is this paper does not like this stuff. They're going

551
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:31,400
to be making fun of it.

552
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 3: For sure.

553
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: It happens today too. You know. That's you know, the

554
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,119
news stories that can't they can't do a story about

555
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,759
Bigfoot or UFOs without playing the X Files theme, and

556
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,400
you know, yeah, it's like still happens.

557
00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we're all I'm well, not all of us,

558
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,440
but I'm I've even been guilty of that kind of

559
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,000
a thing. But that's also because I do. I am

560
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,839
a movie buff. So if I have a movie theme

561
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,039
or something that even if it's in a conversation or

562
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,720
if I'm posting something on Instagram, all I'll look for

563
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,920
you know that they say, oh, put music with your post,

564
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,599
and then I find a movie to go and I'm like, well,

565
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:09,640
it's not fake, it's you know, so I'm guilty of

566
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,079
that too.

567
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,279
Speaker 1: Well, the other side of it is important, very important

568
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:14,799
to keep a sense of humor about this stuff. You

569
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:16,000
have to be able to laugh about it too.

570
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Oh huge, amen on that. Okay, so next up

571
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:24,559
we are going to go to the little folk and

572
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,359
the Albert Twitch and this is this is an entity

573
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,519
that has its own darn festival out your way.

574
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,599
Speaker 1: Yes, I some have called me the Princess of the

575
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,599
Albertwitch Day.

576
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: That is a wonderful title.

577
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,359
Speaker 1: I was say there every year. I think I may

578
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,519
have made it up, but I'm there every year. I

579
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,599
love I love Albert Twitch Day. It's it's just a

580
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:50,240
wonderful day if you are in the area. It's been

581
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:53,200
moved to Wrightsville, Pennsylvania, just across the river from where

582
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,559
it was, but it's such a fantastic day. It's family friendly,

583
00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:59,519
but it's just I just have a great time there

584
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:01,240
every year. So I do recommend if anybody's in the

585
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:05,319
area in the first Saturday of October in south central PA,

586
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,880
do stop by because you will have a great time.

587
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,759
It's just a great day. But yes, we have our

588
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:15,640
own festival dedicated to these little hairy things, which not

589
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,839
so much anymore. But when I was first kind of

590
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:19,160
digging into them, a lot of people are like, oh,

591
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,519
they're just juvenile bigfoot because they're little hairy things. But

592
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,559
they're never seen with adults, you know, and they don't

593
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,359
have the same body proportions. They're very skinny. People report

594
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,119
them very very thin and hair covered and depending on

595
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,119
the report, glowing eyes and stuff. But yeah, they seem

596
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,720
to be very slight of build.

597
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,559
Speaker 3: And something that stuck out. And oh, something else I

598
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,599
want to mention about your book is it is an

599
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,759
incredible lesson in the breakdown of words and where things

600
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:52,480
come from. And you're like, the first part of the

601
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,359
word means this, and the last part of the word

602
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,920
means that. There is a whole lot of schooling that

603
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,200
goes on. But I mean, it's an easy read and

604
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,039
it's a fun read. But boy, there is a whole

605
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:03,599
lot to learn from your book.

606
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,359
Speaker 1: Tom Well, I'm very interested in the source of these

607
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,119
kind of names and when again, when I first got

608
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,079
into this, people said, oh, it's a Pennsylvania Dutch thing.

609
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,160
It comes from apple snitch, and I'm like, the Pennsylvania

610
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,519
Dutch are very practical people. They don't do a lot

611
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,880
of like it just didn't feel right to me, and

612
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,160
so I started researching. Well, alb is German for elf,

613
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,000
so like, right there it is, it's an elf. And

614
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,079
then like there's a verb it's like end twinchin or

615
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,160
something It means to like escape in a gliding fashion,

616
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,960
which I thought was super interesting to consider how many

617
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,880
reports we get to these things. It look people say,

618
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,599
look like you want skis or something, so it's it

619
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,480
comes from that Somewhere in there. I think Alba twitch,

620
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:52,920
but there's also an Elbadritch, a bird you know that

621
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,559
was in Germany and is also in Pennsylvania Dutch Lands,

622
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,839
so you know, it's very close to that name. It

623
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,039
could have been someone, you know, German immigrants saw something

624
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,759
weird and said, oh, we used to call the weird

625
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:08,680
thing back in Germany and Elberdrich, and they called her

626
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,559
in Elberdritch. Over time it turned into Albertwitch. I'm not

627
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,319
exactly sure you know how it got there, but it's

628
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,880
certainly related to that. It's definitely comes from the Pennsylvania

629
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,599
Germans that.

630
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: Were and the Susquehannock Indians had images of them on

631
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,160
their war shields. I find that fascinating.

632
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I found is that said they had

633
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,359
the images of I'd heard this, by the way, before

634
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,079
I ever did my research, that they had images of

635
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,079
them on their war ships. What I found is people

636
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,720
said they had images of little devils on their war shields.

637
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,920
We can assume, because how often these things are called devils,

638
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,480
that they may in fact have been talking about the

639
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,440
same thing. I think they probably were. And again other

640
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:49,440
researchers besides me it said, yeah, they had these images

641
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,200
of them on their war shields. I couldn't find the

642
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,240
specific you know thing that said, yes, they had little

643
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,359
harry men on their warshields. I did find a quote

644
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,160
that said they had little devils on their warshields. Can

645
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,759
assume it's probably the same thing.

646
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: I love this. I found this sentence. It says some

647
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,680
old hunters are said to know their friend, their friend

648
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,920
call specifically and could call them from the woods, which

649
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,240
is the opposite of because that's what they do. You know.

650
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,319
It's the old saying. You don't you don't whistle back,

651
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:22,960
and you don't follow the dang whistle into the woods.

652
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,039
And some hunters are like, I got you.

653
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,279
Speaker 1: The welcome whistle, yeah, which I would love to know.

654
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:31,000
I'd love to find an old hunter who knew that.

655
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,920
And I can't whistle very well, but neither I could

656
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,119
record them doing it. Maybe it's probably.

657
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: Good you can't whistle, tim because that's the saying, right

658
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,920
as you don't whistle back at him.

659
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: But the folk wars there. You know, the folks was there.

660
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,839
So you know, it's so so interesting the uh and

661
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,279
they are related to to Puck Wedgies. I found a

662
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,279
couple of stories of like variant of Puck Wedgy names.

663
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,839
One is in Maryland, just just south of here, still

664
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,759
along on the Susquinda River. I think it's like called

665
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,200
they called him like Puck Widgemannini's or something like that.

666
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,640
That some variant of Puck Wedgie again talking about the

667
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,160
same kind of little things right along the Susklina River. So,

668
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:12,720
and then one further up north where they it was

669
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:17,799
another variant on Puck Wedgie. Uh. So, you know, certainly

670
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,720
related probably to the Puck Wedgy little people thing.

671
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:26,559
Speaker 3: So before we move on to another subterranean subject, there

672
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,279
is a wonderful gentleman named Randy who listens to both

673
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:34,680
of our shows, and he brought up he listens a

674
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,359
lot to yours and knows a lot of your your

675
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:44,000
personal experiences, and he told me to ask you about

676
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,640
your albatwitch and the spying incident.

677
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm I'm not sure this is an albatwitch.

678
00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:57,680
I saw a face it probably, I guess you could

679
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,400
call it an albatwitch. I never said it was an

680
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,880
albatwiz reported I told another local researcher I saw this.

681
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,799
It got reported as an alba twitch, but I never

682
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:06,759
I don't think I ever used the words albo twitch.

683
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,400
It had a monkey like face, somewhere between a monkey

684
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,800
and a humor. I was at a local place one

685
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,280
night with some friends and we were just taking a

686
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,360
walk and strange stuff started firing off around as we

687
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,920
started hearing noises. There was a sound. We kept cheering,

688
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,320
and it's like, Oh, that's a motorcycle, and then it

689
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,599
would turn from a sound like a motorcycle being driven

690
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,760
at a distance. Then we'd turn into something else, and

691
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,199
then we turned back into a motorcycle sound, where we

692
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:40,760
really couldn't decide what this was. It sounded like a

693
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,119
motorcycle that turned into a cry, that turned back into

694
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,119
a motorcycle sound. We heard it several times. Every time

695
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,519
I hear, Oh, that's a motorcycle, and then wait a minute,

696
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,400
no it's not, and then it sounded like a motorcycle again.

697
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:55,400
There was something that followed us through the brush, which

698
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,880
someone identified as it was a buck from the calls

699
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,559
that was making. But it literally walked beside us for

700
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,280
probably a half mile, just making these calls, like right

701
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,760
through the brush. So a little bit odd behavior for

702
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,719
a buck. I don't think I smelled like a female deer.

703
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:16,480
And we got to the end and I had to

704
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:20,519
relieve myself. So I was standing by a tree and

705
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,440
my friend had his car headlights on kind of to

706
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,760
the back inside of me, so I couldn't see super well,

707
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,360
but I could see. And as I'm relieving myself, I

708
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,880
see this little face and I originally estimated it was

709
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,239
three four feet off the ground, it was much shorter

710
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,079
because I went back within a couple of days and

711
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,559
I was like, oh no, it was much shorter. I'm

712
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,320
like two and a half feet that kind of thing.

713
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,239
And just this little face was very pale, but I

714
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,800
could see no body around it. So if you told

715
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,159
me ill it was just like a ghost with a

716
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,000
floating face, I couldn't. I couldn't argue that it was

717
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,159
dark though, so it could have had jet black fur.

718
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:59,840
And I'm just seeing the face and it sort of

719
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,840
out from behind this tree and it's looked at me,

720
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,760
and I'm cussing at it and I'm trying to get

721
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,920
it to go away because I'm in a vulnerable situation here,

722
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,079
you know, like not wanting this at this moment. Yes,

723
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,400
but it's it didn't care like it didn't it seemed

724
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,639
like it didn't care. I literally locked eyes with it.

725
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,039
It had beady, like little beady eyes. I was expecting,

726
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:22,679
like like whenever I draw a big for that, putting

727
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,119
nice big, you know, eyes on them, and this thing

728
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:31,440
had little beady black eyes, and I was just but

729
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,559
it didn't care. It wasn't making any like real expression

730
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:35,159
at all. It didn't seem to be reacting to me.

731
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,320
And then it either turned and it was all it's

732
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,920
it was body was all black and and you know,

733
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,000
just became one with the night and in a sense

734
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,559
and just walked off or it disappeared. I can't tell you,

735
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,679
you know, I don't know. I saw it sort of

736
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,519
do that, and then it was gone. So I'm I

737
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,519
zip up, and I jump right down the bank and

738
00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:00,679
I'm looking. There's nothing there. But my one of the

739
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,639
two guys I was with was about twenty yards away

740
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,760
relieving himself, and he says, oh, I just heard something

741
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,760
across the creek. So I told this other researcher and

742
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,840
he goes out there the following day. I couldn't for

743
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,800
whatever reason, I got there like two days later or

744
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,000
something to look around. He went out the following day.

745
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:26,760
This is in early April. It's still quite cold to

746
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,079
be in the water in Pennsylvania in early April, and

747
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,159
he said, oh, I didn't see anything, but I found

748
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,639
like somebody's kids were must have been wading in the

749
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:42,039
water there, sou. I found little little children's footprints all around,

750
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:46,440
and I thought, yeah, I like, who's got their kids

751
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,719
in like cold water? This is a cold creek, you know,

752
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,280
that's going by, and it's like in April and Pennsylvania.

753
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,719
That's okay, it's possible. It's possible, right, But he and

754
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,360
he just wrote up, yeah, some kid was playing in

755
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,559
the water. I was like, I don't know, a little footprints,

756
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:01,440
but I never I don't think you even photographed him.

757
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,480
By the time I got there, they weren't there, so

758
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:04,920
I never got to see the footprints.

759
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,559
Speaker 3: I just love that you're there's this weird little thing

760
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,400
down there and you're just like, listen, dude, I'm trying

761
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,719
to handle business here, like.

762
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: Just yeah, oh, I was tossing my head off. I

763
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,840
was like, because I'm not fit, like I've been attagged

764
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:25,000
by a rabbit raccoon before, you know this thing. I

765
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:26,960
don't know what's happening here, Like I said, I'm in

766
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,039
a vulnerable position. And I was just like no, no,

767
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:32,760
and I let some I usually don't don't curse too much,

768
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,519
but my listeners, I was recording. My listener's got to

769
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,199
hear some choice. Aludio, You're like.

770
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: You will not hear this often, so enjoy exactly. Tim

771
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,719
Blues in his SISA, you said, monkey like face, you

772
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,440
know what, like a gibb in like if you could

773
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,440
put a label on its top, but.

774
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Like it didn't. It had a hooded nose. I was

775
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:00,119
really focused on the eyes, like, really really focused on

776
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,000
the ice. It had a hooded nose closer I would

777
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:05,119
put the close the nose closer to a human than

778
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:09,079
like a chimpanzee or something, but otherwise kind of kind

779
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:10,559
of chimped like in the fact that it was sort

780
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:14,239
of bear like you know around here, and it had

781
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,920
I would almost put that colors like sort of that

782
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,239
off white maybe tannish color that you see on chimps too.

783
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,719
I mean it was dark and but and the lights

784
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,920
were shining on, so it wasn't like a super bright

785
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,440
white face or something. But it did seem to have

786
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,679
some some tannish color to it. Somebody suggested, oh it

787
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,599
was it was a possum. I see possible every day.

788
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,719
This was not a possum. This this is a very

789
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,719
clear like face face. But you know, beyond that, I

790
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,480
can't tell you much.

791
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: I know.

792
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,679
Speaker 1: I was so focused on those eyes, and I've tried

793
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,519
to draw it and I can't get it right. I

794
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,360
tried so many times to draw it, and I just

795
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,440
every time like, that's not it, that's not it. I

796
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,000
got the eyes kind of right, but it's something about it.

797
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:52,840
I'm just not getting it.

798
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,559
Speaker 3: Do you get the sense or or maybe your initial

799
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:59,679
reaction would be the right one, that it was something

800
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,039
el real or it was something flesh and blood?

801
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: I at this point I don't leave a lot of

802
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,199
I mean flesh and blood. I know, I know how

803
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,039
we define, right, But as far as something that there's

804
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:22,760
a bleeding popular a breeding population of, I don't put

805
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,079
much stock in that for any of the stuff anymore. So,

806
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,519
you know, what are they? Where do they come from?

807
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:29,320
Where do they go? That's the big question with all

808
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,639
this stuff, right. So yeah, I mean if someone said

809
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,559
it was a ghost or something, I wouldn't to argue

810
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,039
too much with, you know, an odd looking one, but

811
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,440
you know it's it's again, I can't tell if it

812
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,519
ran away or disappeared, because it just disappeared into the night,

813
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:47,599
literally into the darkness.

814
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:48,199
Speaker 3: Right.

815
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,079
Speaker 1: So, but yeah, I don't leave much, especially alat tweets.

816
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:53,559
We don't have a breeding population listenings here. We would

817
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:56,440
know for sure it's something other, you know, whatever it is,

818
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,719
it's something other. If indeed this wasn't alb yeah.

819
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: Or least you know, once they pop in from the

820
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,840
fifth dimension. While they're here, they do leave hair, and

821
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,840
they do leave scat, and they do leave footprints.

822
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: So that's that's the mental that's the mental hurdle, right

823
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,159
And and me, as someone who's who's very much on

824
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,000
that side of things, people call it WU I've kind

825
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,760
of you know, reclaimed the words sort of jokingly, but

826
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,239
it's you know, to me, I've just eliminated so many

827
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,360
other possibilities. I'm just like, well, and I don't know

828
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,960
that their dimensional, I don't know what they are. I

829
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,239
just know they're not like normal animals. Yeah, but yeah,

830
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,400
it's like they do leave hair, and they do leave footprints,

831
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,719
you know. They they they have a physical presence at times.

832
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,519
It's why I never never blame somebody when talking Bigfoot.

833
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,079
If somebody saw they had a roadside crossing, or a

834
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,440
hunter saw one like Walpolo's tree standards, and I never

835
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,320
blamed them for saying, no, it was a natural animal,

836
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,639
because what they saw was a physical presence and it

837
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,559
looked to them like a natural animal. Never never blame

838
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:57,320
them for that at all. That's that's it makes logic.

839
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,920
But that's the real the real hurdle to get over

840
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,000
is how can these things be sort of ethereal and

841
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:06,880
then but yet they leave these physical marks?

842
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:07,519
Speaker 3: You know.

843
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I do often point out that in the nineteen fifties,

844
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,039
the way we hunted ghosts was to put powder down

845
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,920
and wait for footprints to appear, kind of doing the

846
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,599
same thing in the woods with Bigfoot, just saying just

847
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:23,159
using mud instead of powder. But and then the rotting

848
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:26,920
smell gets me too. It makes me wonder, if they're

849
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,320
here for a short time, if they're able to assemble

850
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,559
the body somehow, and they immediately begin de king, and

851
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,119
I think about that wolfed Skinwalker rant where they blew

852
00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,000
part of it off and they said it was rotting immediately.

853
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,400
And I wonder if that smell we get isn't just

854
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,119
it immediately decaying from however they form their bodies, it

855
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,000
immediately starts decay. And that's why footprints end in the

856
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,760
middle fields. You know, it's just gone all of a sudden.

857
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,639
Speaker 3: Well, I like that thought. Maybe the second they get

858
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,159
here the time or starts. So that's that is an

859
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,920
interesting point. I've not heard that before. I that's fascinating

860
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,960
and would make a lot of sense. And I have

861
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,519
to say, I know you would agree if I took out,

862
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:09,840
if I omitted any interviews that I had where there

863
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,599
was anything, you know, anything strange in relation to a

864
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,320
big Foot siding, whether what it did or what was

865
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,119
around it, or what was found before or after or during,

866
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:22,920
I would have three quarters of the Bigfoot episodes not

867
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,039
on my playlist.

868
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And especially when someone has repeat encounters. Yeah,

869
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,880
if they have repeat encounters, I can promise you things

870
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,840
are getting weird. They're going to see lights, they're going

871
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,960
to have poltergeist activity in their house, They're going to

872
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,639
have maybe a UFO too, all kinds of apparitions, often

873
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,920
of you know, humanoid or human rather apparitions, human seeming apparations,

874
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,320
things like that. Other stuff's going to come along with it.

875
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:51,559
Speaker 2: You know.

876
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,079
Speaker 1: It's just it's the company they keep. As I say,

877
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:55,599
do you.

878
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,199
Speaker 3: Think that I've talked to so many people, I know

879
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,639
you have to where a lot of times it's a

880
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,480
UFO sighting for whatever reason, that seems to be the

881
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:09,400
catalyst to begin, uh what ends up being, as you say,

882
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,880
this laundry list, and it can and then it starts

883
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,119
to run the gamut of all of the subjects that

884
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:18,039
we cover for a lot of these folks. And I

885
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:21,719
don't know if that is tied to their genealogy. You know,

886
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,199
they're they're oh, I used to hear my grandma and

887
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,159
then my mom talk about it, right, and it follows

888
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,280
the maternal lines or paternal lines, and then it seems

889
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,360
like there's this kickoff point and it may not happen

890
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,639
until they're middle aged. Sometimes oh yeah, and then a yeah,

891
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,519
and it just the floodgates open.

892
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, this absolutely happens. In the old folk wore,

893
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:48,199
they would say, once you see a fairy, you know

894
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:51,199
you will see more fairies in the flesh and blood

895
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,119
Bigfoot world. They say, well, once you see one, you

896
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:56,159
know what to look for. Sounds like the same thing

897
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,800
using different language. Uh yeah, And I think, look, I

898
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,079
think this is a human experience. And you know as

899
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:05,800
well as I do. People will tell you I've never

900
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,039
had anything like that happened to me, And then you

901
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,920
get them talking in about ten twenty minutes, I'll say, well,

902
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:12,559
there was that UFO that one time I saw No, so,

903
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,000
something did happen to you, you know, or you know

904
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:17,519
I saw my grandma's ghost and II she died. Okay,

905
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:20,719
that's a thing. You know, something did happen to you. Yeah,

906
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,280
So most people do have something. Most people do have something.

907
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,719
And when I started Strange Familiars, I was wary of

908
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,119
the multiple experiencer because like, oh, I don't know, I

909
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:33,559
really wanted people to believe right. I was concerned about

910
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,639
the quote unquote reality of the topics and I was like,

911
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:39,199
I don't know if I want to do a lot

912
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,119
of that. But then over time I just realized there's

913
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:44,039
so many Yeah, there's so many. And I'm not going

914
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,159
to say it's more common for people to have multiple experiences,

915
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:49,039
but it's certainly common, like there's a lot of multiple

916
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,519
experiences out there. Is it family?

917
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 5: Yeah?

918
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it can be passed down the family.

919
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,239
There seems to be some sort of genetic component to this,

920
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,000
but I love to go out that. I don't think

921
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,880
there is anything as like people with superpowers as regards

922
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,679
this stuff. This is an experience. It's available to all

923
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,599
of us. I believe it's like drawing and music, and

924
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:12,079
I use those two because I do both, but they're

925
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,679
different from me. So drawing, I have kind of a gift.

926
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,559
I can stop drawing today, I don't have to practice

927
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,519
for two years. I can pick up my pen. I'll

928
00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,480
be right where I was. I won't lose a thing. Music.

929
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:28,199
If I don't practice, it's gone, it'll go away. So

930
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,280
one is just sort of this gift that I have,

931
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,280
and the other is the skill I acquired by practice, practice, practice.

932
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,199
Some people will have this naturally and it's just going

933
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,920
to happen for them. Other people, you're gonna have to

934
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,000
practice at it. You're gonna have to go if you

935
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,800
want it. And again I know that you want it,

936
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,119
like I always say, like it's your life's gonna get

937
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,559
weird at best, At best, your life will get weird

938
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,320
when you start messing with this stuff. At worst, it

939
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,239
can get really crazy. And people have done some wacky

940
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,920
stuff as regards this, so be careful what you wish for.

941
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,519
But if you're the kind of person like I am,

942
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,000
where you're going to go out and experience this stuff,

943
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:06,360
nothing's going to stop you from it, do it carefully. Uh,

944
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,360
and and take all the precautions. And I'd say read

945
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,159
the folkal or because our ancestors were they knew what

946
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,519
they were doing, and that's why that information comes down

947
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:17,320
to us. But in any case, it's available everybody. Some

948
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,679
will have to put themselves in the haunted places, maybe

949
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,639
several times, maybe a lot of times before it had

950
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,000
happens for them. But I think it's available to everyone.

951
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:26,400
You sort of have to, you know, you have to

952
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,079
practice it in that way. You have to you have

953
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:31,039
to be in these places and open yourself to the experience.

954
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,480
And again, I think I think it's there for everybody.

955
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,840
It's just some people have just come so easily too.

956
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,000
I've been around those people. It's just like things are

957
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:38,719
just popping off.

958
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: It's like wow, yeah, and uh, you know, once you

959
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,519
you have somebody on and they they have a battery

960
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:51,239
of experiences and it can run the gamut. I I

961
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,239
tend to ask the question, you know, maybe what's one

962
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,199
thing that you would want to see, or what's one

963
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,119
thing that's definitely on the note would you want to

964
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:02,239
have that happen again?

965
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 4: Right?

966
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,039
Speaker 3: And I think it's usually split fifty to fifty with

967
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,679
people that they've been bit by the bug hard enough

968
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,519
to where they go, well, I haven't had anything that

969
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,360
bad yet. That's keeping me out of the woods. And

970
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,320
they move next door to me where they'll have less

971
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,119
of that kind of a thing, and then others where

972
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:24,480
they're going camping every single weekend and it's a huge

973
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:25,239
part of their life.

974
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,639
Speaker 1: Now it's addictive. That's the other danger with it. Like

975
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,360
I'll just use the general term of spirit contact. I

976
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,559
think they're all maybe some form of spirits. Again, I

977
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,639
could be wrong. It's asked me. In two weeks, I

978
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:38,159
might feel differently, but right now I'll just use a

979
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,280
shorthand term. Spirit contact is addictive. And when you get

980
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,280
this stuff, it's it's like so amazing and so powerful

981
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:47,360
that it can become addictive. And people have ruined their lives. Yeah,

982
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,599
people have ruined their lives with this stuff. There's one

983
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:52,840
of the old school Bigfoot researchers. I forget which one.

984
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,840
You know, he was so into this. At some point

985
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,880
his wife said it's me and the kids are bigfoot,

986
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:58,679
and he said bigfoot. And I always said that he

987
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,800
made the wrong choice. That's not don't do that, you know,

988
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,559
don't do that. You need your family, you need yeah,

989
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:06,519
and you need to be other things in your life

990
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,000
other than just just the paranormal.

991
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 2: You know.

992
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: I forget was that. I don't think it was one

993
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,800
of the four Horsemen. Was it that did that? It

994
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,559
was some or somebody just after them. I forget who

995
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:17,960
that was.

996
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:19,599
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, I don't want I don't want to

997
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:23,840
speculate because yeah, but I've heard the story several times

998
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,599
and I was just like, yeah, that's the wrong choice.

999
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. Someone said. They're screaming at their phone

1000
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,920
right now. They're they're like, yeah, how do you not know, Shannon?

1001
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:36,360
Uh So, Okay, let's go subterranean again. And I hope

1002
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,280
I pronounced this right. But the the Cobalds.

1003
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:44,119
Speaker 1: The yeah gobald Yeah. So these were the German little

1004
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:48,239
people and they kind of were the sort of German

1005
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,960
version of the Tommy Knocker. But you could have house

1006
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:57,440
Cobalds or mine cobalds and they would. The house cobalds

1007
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,199
were sort of these helpful household spirits, and with any

1008
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,519
of these things you have to sort of treat them

1009
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,599
nice or they might you know, sour your milk or

1010
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:05,840
mess up your house. According to the lore, the mine

1011
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,400
Cobalds were very much like the Tommy knockers, and that

1012
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:11,679
they would, you know, leave tributes to them if they

1013
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,079
were nice, you know, they could help you out if

1014
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,159
they were feeling anree they could hide your tools or

1015
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,000
even call the cave in. Again, they came along with

1016
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,920
this other German thing they called the ladder Dwarf, which

1017
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:27,280
was no good at all in the minds, and he

1018
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,880
would just knock the steps out of the ladders out

1019
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,039
behind you, they said. And uh, so you didn't want

1020
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,119
you didn't want the ladder Dwarf. But yeah, these are again,

1021
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,119
you know, these come with the different people. These were

1022
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,360
the German miners had these. Uh. Cobalt is named for

1023
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,559
a medal. There was another creature named Nix, which was

1024
00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:48,920
definitely no good, and Nickel, Nickel and Cobalt the medals

1025
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,280
are named for these entities, not the other way around.

1026
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,400
So they actually sort of named the medals after after

1027
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,400
these entities, a sort of tribute to them. You know.

1028
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,519
Speaker 3: Oh, I that's see them learning, learning things at every

1029
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:03,920
every turn. That's fascinating. I have no idea about that.

1030
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,239
And it says and I I'm right here, because when

1031
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,280
I'm angry, it's not a good thing. An unfair an

1032
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,000
unfed cobalt can become extremely angry, and then they hide

1033
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:21,320
things and they end up in some cases pushing people

1034
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,320
from their homes.

1035
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the household spirits. Yeah wow, you didn't like.

1036
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,039
That's why, you know. And I've written extensibly about gifting

1037
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,559
in where the footprints end, and that's why I'm real

1038
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:36,360
cautious with people when they're like, yeah, I'm gifting food,

1039
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,719
I'm like, maybe, don't like once you start again. This

1040
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,320
comes from folklore, and I'm a big folk wore guy

1041
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,880
because I believe this is, as I said, lessons handed

1042
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,159
down to it from our ancestors. And things get exaggerated

1043
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,320
over time. You know, maybe maybe an eight foot creature,

1044
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,440
you know, over hundreds of years becomes a fifteen foot creature,

1045
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:59,000
you know, you know, glowing eyes become you know, eyes

1046
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,159
as big as plates with you know, filled with fire

1047
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,079
and things like that. So they get a little exaggerated.

1048
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:05,840
But I think the the information there how to deal

1049
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,400
with these things is is very true. And they're basically

1050
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,719
if you start feeding these spirits and you stop, that's

1051
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,920
when there's problem. So that's why I always say, like,

1052
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,039
don't like warn people, like, don't do if we've already

1053
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,400
started doing, so you're in it. Now you're kind of

1054
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,679
on the hook. Now you got to keep feeding food.

1055
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,880
But if not, you know, yeah, leaving little trinkets or

1056
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,639
you know, always tell people try not to fill the

1057
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:32,639
woods with plastic crap. But you know, if you leave

1058
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:35,199
a little piece of wood or or a pretty stone

1059
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,119
or something, that's that's natural. People have had very interesting results,

1060
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:42,280
very very interesting results with that. I don't see a

1061
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,760
problem with that. But it's the food thing gets weird,

1062
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,440
and again that comes back to the folk or where

1063
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,840
people will be like, oh yeah, I forgot to feed

1064
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,719
the household brownie, and they destroyed the whole farm. They

1065
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,800
completely wrecked my house. You know, I forgot to leave

1066
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,599
his beer out at night and just everything was destroyed.

1067
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:59,760
And they let the animals go, you know, the animals free.

1068
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: So is it the brownies where you're supposed to leave

1069
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:03,880
the saucer of milk?

1070
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: I think they were one of the milk ones. I

1071
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,840
think you could leave beer or milk. Yeah, I know

1072
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,480
Perrecto you were supposed to leave milk on the roof

1073
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:17,320
for her. So there's there's another roof thing. Yeah, so yeah,

1074
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,960
that's it's different to different folks were for different creatures.

1075
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,400
But you know, the idea is there.

1076
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,119
Speaker 3: I don't care what entity your creature it is. Anytime

1077
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:27,800
the roof is involved, it creeps me out a little bit.

1078
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: There.

1079
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: That's another level, such a strange detail. And I've tried

1080
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,559
to parse out, like what does this mean? Because you

1081
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,760
find it with trolls and of course Bigfoot and all

1082
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,400
these other entities. What does it mean? What does that mean?

1083
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,119
Is that are they trying to tell us something? Right

1084
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,440
like you walk on the ground and we walk up here.

1085
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,639
I don't know. I have no idea what it could

1086
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:50,400
possibly mean. Yeah, and again I've been in houses where

1087
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,639
they have slate roofs where like something, you know, we're

1088
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:55,280
talking to something have to be what eight hundred pounds?

1089
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,880
Some of these things it would break those slates. You know,

1090
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,360
I can't get up on a slate roof. I used

1091
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,639
to do telephone work and we had to be very careful.

1092
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,159
We're working on slate roofs. You can easily crack the tiles.

1093
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:09,920
They're great roofs, but they can The tiles can crack easily. Trailers.

1094
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,760
I've worked on top of trailers and dented trailers, you know,

1095
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,119
just running cables on top of trailers. I've dented the roofs.

1096
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:17,920
And when people tell me they live in trailer hunds

1097
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,159
and these things are on the roof, like, how I

1098
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,280
mean I believe them. I totally believe these witnesses. But

1099
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,519
they're hearing it up there. How is it not leaving

1100
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,320
a gigantic mark, you know, or.

1101
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,159
Speaker 3: Just falling through and he's sitting next to you on

1102
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:29,800
the couch. All of a sudden, you're like head of.

1103
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,519
Speaker 1: Those right, Yeah, that's what That's something I wouldn't want.

1104
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,800
So we asked people what they would and what they

1105
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,280
wouldn't want. Things that creep me out are my shades

1106
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,239
are pulled every night. Every night they come down. I

1107
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,039
do not like the idea of something looking in my window.

1108
00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:47,679
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for saying that, because I talked

1109
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,960
to so many people, and I lived in the Seattle area.

1110
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,920
I lived in Kent and then I you know, I

1111
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,400
would commute to Seattle. But it was a big thing

1112
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:58,400
in Washington State where I mean pitch black. You could

1113
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,039
see them walking around the kitchen, sitting at the table

1114
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,239
like this is making me uncomfortable. How are you not

1115
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,599
uncomfortable right now?

1116
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1117
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean and those stories and I'm sure

1118
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,519
you've heard a thousand of of where somebody looks over

1119
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:11,679
and there's just a creature looking in the window. No,

1120
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,800
thank you. If I'm out in the woods and I

1121
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,880
see one, I think I'm ready. I say, I'm ready

1122
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,519
that we'll see I think I'm ready for that experience. Fine,

1123
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,320
I'm there, I'm there. But when I'm here in my

1124
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,599
place and something's looking in the window, no, no.

1125
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: No, no, I mean that said. Okay, so say you can,

1126
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,880
you can pull the shades and you feel relatively safe

1127
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,440
in your home, as you should. Would you want to

1128
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:40,239
live on an active bigfoot property? I realize, and you've

1129
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,239
already said you probably wouldn't be gifting, But would you

1130
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,199
want to live in a place like that?

1131
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I don't think so. I

1132
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,039
like visiting these places, having the experiences, and then coming

1133
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:56,639
home I had And people often ask me like, do

1134
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:58,199
you ever feel like you bring anything home with you?

1135
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:04,079
Only once? Only once, and I banished it real quick,

1136
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,440
knew you were not to be here go and haven't

1137
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,119
had any issues with it, but holy water in the

1138
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:17,079
whole deal, just in case. But yeah, so yeah, I

1139
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:19,320
want my home to be my home. If you ask

1140
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,079
like ghost hunters, A lot of them, you know, won't

1141
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,159
investigate their own house. And I totally get that. You

1142
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,519
got to live there, you live there, you know, you

1143
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,840
want some peace at home, So yeah, probably not. I'd

1144
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,760
love to have a property I owned and I could

1145
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,480
go to any time I wanted, that had repeat encounters,

1146
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:36,119
But I'd like having a peaceful home.

1147
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 3: I get that did you have any and you probably

1148
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,199
wouldn't know for sure, of course nobody does. But did

1149
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,239
you get a bead on possibly what that was in

1150
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,639
your home that you brought home?

1151
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: Well, this ties into something you wanted to talk about anyway.

1152
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:58,360
With our big Philip experiment, it seemed to have something

1153
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,679
seemed to have come home with me, and I don't

1154
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,039
know if it was that or something else it it

1155
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,440
corresponded with, So I guess we might as well talk

1156
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,840
about that now. Yeah, So the Bigfoot experiment I came

1157
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,360
up with for for strange familiars patrons. I wanted to

1158
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,920
come up with an experiment we could do together. And

1159
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,199
if people are familiar with the Philip experiment from the

1160
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,440
nineteen seventies, these these folks essentially created a spirit in Canada.

1161
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:28,199
They created a ghost, they gave it a backstory that's

1162
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,760
historically impossible, and they started doing sciences and over time

1163
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,280
they started having contact with the spirit and they you know,

1164
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,760
fairly well documented case, very very interesting. And me, being

1165
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,280
the henree sucker that I am, I thought, well, if

1166
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,000
if I believe bigfoots of spirit, maybe we can we

1167
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,239
can you know, Philip experiment a big foot into existence.

1168
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,719
So I jokingly called it the big Philip experiment. We

1169
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,960
immediately realized, if we put this in the woods, everybody's

1170
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,119
going to say, well, something was there anyway, So let's

1171
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:58,960
put it in a town. So we put it in

1172
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:01,719
a town. So my thought was, you know, if we

1173
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,960
get tree structures inside this town, or if we get

1174
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,840
you know, people start hearing things or you know, whatever

1175
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,000
you know, And I specifically said a wet footprint on

1176
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:15,519
the concrete would be amazing, right, anything like that, then

1177
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,480
we know we've done something. So the idea is to

1178
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:22,719
source intentions. So it's it's you know, all the strains, familiars, patrons,

1179
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,039
and we're trying, you know, the intention is to manifest

1180
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:29,960
this this entity in this town. The town remains unknown

1181
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,559
or unnamed rather because what we gave it a fake name.

1182
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,599
We call it auto Berg our entity. We named otto

1183
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,559
because people could easily come in and start faking stuff,

1184
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:42,760
right and then you know, look, this isn't going to

1185
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,559
be an experiment that any scientist is ever going to accept,

1186
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:47,679
but we want to keep it as clean as we can,

1187
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,880
you know, and and not have you know, hoaxing if

1188
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:59,360
we can. So we've had some really interesting results. The

1189
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,360
the thing I asked for from the beginning was a

1190
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,960
wet footprint on the concrete, without even thinking that to

1191
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,360
see that wet footprint, I would have to be there

1192
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:11,440
within moments of before it evaporated. Right. See, I was thinking,

1193
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:13,199
like something stepped in a puddle and then stepped on

1194
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:16,280
the concrete and I would see that. I hadn't really

1195
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,599
thought it out. A year had gone by, and we

1196
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:20,719
were sort of trying to decide as a group, are

1197
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:22,360
we going to continue this, are we going to change it?

1198
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,519
How are we going to work on it? And I

1199
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:28,639
went down to this town and I'm looking around and

1200
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:33,280
I see there's this ruin where we've had some stuff happen.

1201
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:40,239
And in this ruin on the ground is a footprint

1202
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,599
in paint on the concrete. Now this is like, it's

1203
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:48,119
kind of cartoony, you know, someone could have painted it,

1204
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,960
but it's a quote unquote big footprint on the concrete

1205
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:56,119
which had to have been wet when they painted it,

1206
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,320
so it was a wet footprint on the concrete. So

1207
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,719
I literally got I asked for not exactly in the

1208
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:05,280
way I imagined it on the literally at the last day,

1209
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,440
like should we continue this experiment? And here's this footprint.

1210
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:09,920
And it didn't even hit me at the time. I

1211
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,559
took a phot Oh that's neat, took a photo of it,

1212
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,280
went home, and then I was looking at I was like,

1213
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,599
wait a minute, this is exactly what you asked for. Exactly.

1214
01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:19,800
So it's sort of an isolated town and it is

1215
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,360
surrounded by woods, and of course most of the activity

1216
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,000
is concentrated right on the edge of town, right up

1217
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:29,159
beside the woods. It wants to be in the woods,

1218
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,079
you know, bigfoot in a Bigfoot I guess it wants

1219
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:37,000
to be in the woods. We keep apprized of the town,

1220
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,280
like through different groups and so forth on different social media,

1221
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:47,480
and townspeople started reporting that someone literally asked, what's with

1222
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:54,000
the demonic wolf house around town? So that happened. We

1223
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,400
were doing are you familiar with the Estes ghost box?

1224
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, explain that though for folks it may not be

1225
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:02,480
familiar if you would, so.

1226
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically you have your normal ghost box, which

1227
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,679
is cycling through the radio, but one person's wearing headphones

1228
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:12,519
and they're just getting it through the headphones with a

1229
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,719
blindfold on, so they're not getting any information other than

1230
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,800
what's coming through the radio. And a second person is

1231
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,559
questioning and they can't hear what's coming through the radio.

1232
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:25,039
So you're asking questions. The person with the blindfold and

1233
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:27,159
headphones isn't hearing the question. So if you start to

1234
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:30,119
get answers that seem to correspond, it's very interesting and

1235
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,760
it seems less random than just well, you know, running

1236
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,320
a ghost box and thinking you can answer really interesting.

1237
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,400
We've had some really interesting things with s DE sessions.

1238
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:43,280
One of them, I had the headphones and the blindfold

1239
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,000
on and I didn't we were live streaming it, and

1240
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,159
when I came out. Whenever I do that, by the way,

1241
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:53,960
I don't I lose track of time. It's very translate thing.

1242
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,960
I think I'm in it for fifteen minutes to be

1243
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:57,800
We're like, no, you've been under for like an hour

1244
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,039
and a half. What how is that even possible? Whenever

1245
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:06,039
I came out of it, my friend Bricks, who was

1246
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:09,920
there with me, said that was insane. She' said there

1247
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,079
was something running around behind you in the brush the

1248
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:13,840
whole time. So I was just sitting on a bench

1249
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,480
with like some a little bit of woods behind me,

1250
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,840
and she's and I listened to the playback and you

1251
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,599
can hear her saying no, no, She's just saying leave

1252
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:27,880
him alone. No. So, you know, we've had some really

1253
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,639
cool stuff, really interesting stuff. There's some questions, you know,

1254
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,800
are did we create something or is there are there

1255
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,400
spirits out there that are willing to be whatever you want?

1256
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:41,559
My gut feeling is it's probably the latter. It's still interesting,

1257
01:02:41,639 --> 01:02:43,719
it's still fun, but I think there are probably a

1258
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:45,239
lot of entities out there that like, oh, you want

1259
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:47,000
me to be a big foot, Sure, I'll be your bigfoot.

1260
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:49,119
I'll take all that attention you're willing to get me.

1261
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,159
That's probably what's happening. But it's still interesting and it's

1262
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:57,639
still fun. But the night that I thought it followed

1263
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:01,880
me home. So I had I made these wooden coins

1264
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:06,719
with this with the intention of using as gifting coins.

1265
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,079
But they have the emmaculate heart of Marry on one

1266
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,559
side and a little image of Mary on the other.

1267
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,559
I happened to be Catholic, and I was using these.

1268
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,519
I was kind of leaving them out and I specifically asked,

1269
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,039
or someone did when we were down there, do you

1270
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:25,159
want coins? And it said yeah, And then somehow through

1271
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:27,760
the s S box it indicated like, no, not that one,

1272
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,840
not the wooden coin in your pocket. I want like money,

1273
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:34,239
like like real coins. We left a quarter and I

1274
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:36,960
always keep that Mary coin in my right pocket. I

1275
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,920
have several of them, but I always keep one in

1276
01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:41,119
my right pocket. And I get home and it's gone,

1277
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:45,559
It's absolutely gone. I'm like, wow, I guess I lost it.

1278
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: And then.

1279
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: I was on a zoom call with Clint of all people,

1280
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,599
and I'm talking to him and suddenly he jumps back

1281
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,480
and what the heck was that? I'm like, what are

1282
01:03:59,480 --> 01:03:59,960
you talking about?

1283
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 4: Uh?

1284
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,079
Speaker 1: And he said, he said he just saw this huge

1285
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:05,960
orb go right behind my head. I was in right

1286
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,760
where I'm standing out. He says, he just sees this

1287
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,000
orb go behind my head into that room. Well, that

1288
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:17,039
night here, I am not following my own rules. I

1289
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:20,239
had the window open and no shade drawn, and I

1290
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,639
heard something right outside this window that sounded massive right

1291
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:28,800
after that, and I was just not having it. And

1292
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,039
then so I was like, no, whoever you are, whatever

1293
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:34,239
you are, this is not for you. You go back

1294
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,119
to where you came from. Did the whole holy water thing? Like?

1295
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:41,559
Bless the house, all the windows and doors and everything.

1296
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:43,760
Just not having it again. I like that. I like

1297
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,760
a peaceful home. I don't want this stuff in my home.

1298
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:52,039
And the next day that coin reappeared in the shorts

1299
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:55,320
I was wearing the night before, but in the left pocket.

1300
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,079
It completely came back. So and then no more problems

1301
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:03,840
around the house. So I don't know, do you know,

1302
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,679
do I banish something to have something to do with

1303
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:08,519
that coin? The coin thing really freakin out too, because

1304
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:11,000
that had religious symbols on it, and then it disappeared

1305
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,880
like this is really dark. I'm like, I don't know,

1306
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,800
I hesitate to I don't go to demon very easily,

1307
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,719
you know, you know, to me, it was just like

1308
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,199
it's just something, It's just something's around. I don't know,

1309
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:25,800
but you know, I asserted my You know, you're allowed

1310
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,320
to You have your own space, you have your body,

1311
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,199
your house, you have a your own domain there, and

1312
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:34,360
you're allowed to assert that. I always tell that to people.

1313
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,559
You're allowed to tell things to go.

1314
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:41,079
Speaker 3: You know, I find that fascinating that just in case

1315
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:44,280
you wanted to dismiss it in any way, shape or form,

1316
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,159
it puts it back in the left pocket, and that's

1317
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,159
not the side that you would ever put it in.

1318
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,480
So just in case, right, to me, how do you

1319
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:56,199
know how to do uh cleansings?

1320
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm just doing well. So Brother

1321
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,599
Richard's a Capuchin friar who comes from Transmulias many times,

1322
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:06,559
and he sent me many protection prayers. You know, I

1323
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:08,920
get holy water from the local church, and you know,

1324
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:12,480
I just go at it with that same I usually

1325
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,039
I don't have one on now, I usually wearing the

1326
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,119
same Benedict metal, which is a basically an exorcism around

1327
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:19,800
your neck. If you're wearing a blessing Benedict metal, you're

1328
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,960
usually fairly protected. But yeah, it's just so, I'm just

1329
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:26,079
using stuff from the Catholic tradition. And I like to say,

1330
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:28,400
I really like to point this out. It works for me.

1331
01:06:29,079 --> 01:06:31,000
But there's something about the stuff that responds to belief

1332
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:32,519
in any form. You don't have to be Catholic, you

1333
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,079
don't have to be Christian. It works for Wickens, it

1334
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:38,480
works for Muslims, it works for Jewish people. It seems

1335
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:41,440
to be something about belief or something. There's something about

1336
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,360
that or a spiritual authority or maybe just authority over

1337
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,719
yourself and you're in domain. I don't hoscilytizing. I'm not

1338
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,079
trying to convert anyone. It works. You know, you don't

1339
01:06:53,079 --> 01:06:55,840
have to be Catholic. It works whatever it. You know,

1340
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,280
it's about belief somehow, so people like New Age stuff.

1341
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,800
If people believe in it works just as well.

1342
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, the intention in asserting the dominance

1343
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,000
for something. I don't have this problem because I'm mostly

1344
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:12,719
like paranormal bear spray. I can go to some very

1345
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:15,880
active locations and nothing happens, and that's probably me. But

1346
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,400
do you with your show? Let's just take your show

1347
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,079
as a cross section. If you know ahead of time,

1348
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,039
I would imagine to a certain extent, Like myself, I

1349
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:28,159
like to know as little as possible. I just like

1350
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:30,239
a bullet point list because I like to be surprised

1351
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,480
while I'm talking to people. It just seems like a

1352
01:07:32,519 --> 01:07:36,480
more natural conversation. However, if you know of a certain

1353
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,239
subject matter they're going to cover, or a certain experience

1354
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,639
experiences that they've had, do you then make sure that

1355
01:07:44,719 --> 01:07:47,719
you have that necklace on, or do you have certain

1356
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,280
things set up in your studio, or do you say

1357
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,079
some kind of a prayer beforehand? Do you have protocol

1358
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:53,519
for that?

1359
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,519
Speaker 1: Not at all? And in general, don't like I don't

1360
01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:00,480
come home and do a cleanse after these things. Really

1361
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:05,000
just it hasn't been an issue. I don't worry about it.

1362
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,239
It's not something I don't generally worry. I've never I've

1363
01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:10,840
been some crazy places and never felt like I brought

1364
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,480
anything home. It was just that one time.

1365
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 3: I wonder what it kicked off? Then? Why you had

1366
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,680
that hitchhiker? It happened. It happens stance.

1367
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: Then I don't know. And look I'm pointing to auto

1368
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,199
Berg and that whole thing again, because the coin appeared

1369
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:31,159
and disappeared. I'll tell you Clinton, I have some strange

1370
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:34,640
energy the two of us together, and it's just odd.

1371
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,399
Stuff will happen even when we're just talking on the phone.

1372
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,560
So it could have been him or a combination of

1373
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,319
two of us. I don't you know. I can't say

1374
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:44,159
exactly what it was.

1375
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I wish I could say that's really cool,

1376
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:48,960
but I've said it so many times on my show.

1377
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,680
Just like you said, with the Bigfoot property and then

1378
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,199
being able to go home where the Bigfoot aren't doing

1379
01:08:54,199 --> 01:08:58,279
one of these outside the window, that's a big bag

1380
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,760
of note. Is anything in the house that's not cool?

1381
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, even when I'm sleeping, like I need a tent,

1382
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,000
like I sleep with dudes who's just like, oh, just

1383
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,720
throw a tarpup, or you know, I'll sleep under the stars.

1384
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,800
I want a tent. I know it's a piece of nylon.

1385
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:16,520
I know if something bigfoot or not even a human

1386
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,279
anything wants to tear through that nilon, they can. Yeah,

1387
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:22,119
it's the idea of just having just not looking up

1388
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:25,000
and seeing something look at me as I yeah, yeah,

1389
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:28,199
I just I like that little bit of fabric there.

1390
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:30,800
So even when I'm camping out, I want I want

1391
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,720
a little wall between me and whenever it else is

1392
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,520
out there, even though I know it's not protecting me

1393
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,560
from anything, but it's a you know, it's a little delionation.

1394
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,560
You know, this is my area, that's yours.

1395
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:41,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1396
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:43,199
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm right there with you. I mean, talk about

1397
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:45,159
a brown pounds moment. You know, you're just like in

1398
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,640
a hammock and you look up and there's just something

1399
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,119
leaned over you. No, thank you?

1400
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah right, No. At least we had my buddy Chad

1401
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:59,359
and I had something come into camp. We were in

1402
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:03,520
a place called Pneumonium. We were staying there. He's staying

1403
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,479
under a tarp, so he's open. I had a tent.

1404
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,920
I woke up at oh my gosh, I think it

1405
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,640
was like three thirty in the morning, needing to relieve myself.

1406
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,479
This is an ongoing theme apparently. And I hear wood

1407
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:23,319
knocks like I had the presence of mind to turn

1408
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:25,039
on my recorder and you can literally see in the

1409
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:30,239
stereophile in one channel you hear this hard like like crack,

1410
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,520
like something almost like a baseball batter on a tree

1411
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,159
or something real like crisp crack. And then from the

1412
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:38,079
other direction you hear thud, like like in my mind,

1413
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:39,960
it was like somebody taking a nice hard stick and

1414
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,119
hitting a tree and the thud was like something was

1415
01:10:42,119 --> 01:10:44,159
covered in bark and maybe like a little bit wetter

1416
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:45,600
or like like you know, kind of more of a

1417
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,439
punky thing. And you just hear food and then clack, thud.

1418
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,159
And this goes on for like thirty seconds. And I'm like,

1419
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,840
I'm sitting there and i can hear Chad snoring, and

1420
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,119
I've heard so many of these experiences where people can't

1421
01:10:58,119 --> 01:11:01,439
wake other people up, and I'm thinking, I'm going I'm

1422
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:03,960
going through this alone. I'm like, I have to I

1423
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,359
have to pee. And I'm like, come on, I could

1424
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:08,800
just happen right outside, you know, not right outside my tent,

1425
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,640
but I would say within fifty yards, and it was

1426
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,399
loud enough. And finally, after about it was probably only

1427
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,039
about thirty seconds to a minute, but it seemed like

1428
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:18,960
an hour. I hear Chad say, do you hear that?

1429
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:21,680
I was like, oh, thank god, yes, I hear that.

1430
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:26,319
So we got up and heard this thing walk around

1431
01:11:26,399 --> 01:11:30,000
us all night. Saul. At some point I looked over,

1432
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,119
It's like, is there somebody? Like we're six miles out

1433
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:34,840
in the middle of the woods is a place called

1434
01:11:35,079 --> 01:11:40,079
Pandemonium in Tuscarora State Forest in Pennsylvania. We there wasn't

1435
01:11:40,119 --> 01:11:42,239
anybody else camping there. In fact, the park ranger stopped

1436
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,439
by during the day and he's like, are you You

1437
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,359
can't get cell phone service or anything out there. He's like,

1438
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:47,840
you guys, okay. He's like, I'll come back in the

1439
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,039
morning and check on you. Like, yeah, we're fine. But

1440
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:52,720
we walked around specifically to make sure there's nobody else around.

1441
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,159
But it's I'm looking. I'm like's somebody have a truck

1442
01:11:55,239 --> 01:11:57,920
over there? Because I see these red would look like

1443
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,880
break lights. And Chad's like, no, you can't even there's

1444
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,920
that's the woods. There's no you couldn't put a truck

1445
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,560
in there. So you know, we're seeing red light. I mean,

1446
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,880
they looked like they were breaking next to each other.

1447
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,920
Looked like eyes. I'm not saying their eyes because I

1448
01:12:10,079 --> 01:12:13,279
didn't see them attached to anything. We hear this thing

1449
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:17,560
walk around walk around all night. The weirdest thing is

1450
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,960
I kept going. So we lit the fire, you know,

1451
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:23,920
and and at this point we're just like, we're we're

1452
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,000
not leaving. We're here till daylight, so we might we

1453
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:28,920
lit a big fire, and we're just kind of there

1454
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,960
listening to this thing or things. I don't know if

1455
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,399
it's more than what. Literally just circle our campsite again

1456
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:35,800
and again we could hear it go through the brush.

1457
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,840
We could hear when it hit the gravel where the

1458
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,600
cars were parked. Walk around and back into the trees

1459
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,239
again and just circle, circle, circle. But I go onto

1460
01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:45,399
the edge of the light kind of to look into

1461
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,720
the woods as best I could, and I saw what

1462
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,479
looked like a white face or a white man. It

1463
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,920
really looked like a white mask, almost like a you know,

1464
01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:56,000
the comedy tragedy theater mask. Yeah, it kind of kind

1465
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,479
of looked like that very plain face, though it didn't

1466
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,680
have a big smile or a frown, and very plain

1467
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,720
expression on a tree back in the woods. And I thought,

1468
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:07,159
this is that must be the moonlight like hitting a

1469
01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:08,680
blank spot on the tree or is Like it was

1470
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,560
so odd that I didn't even tell Chad. I just

1471
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,720
looked at it and like I'm seeing something. That's the

1472
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,680
moonlight hitting a bare spot on the tree. That's something

1473
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,000
and in the morning I'll see what it is. In

1474
01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:21,600
the morning, I looked, there's nothing like that there. I

1475
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,520
have no clue what that was. So that was very,

1476
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,079
very bizarre. We're hearing that like the uh just these

1477
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,640
siren kind of calls. It sound like the Ohio calls

1478
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,960
and stuff. We're hearing that owls that are like a

1479
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,039
half octave too low. Just crazy stuff happening all around

1480
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,359
us all night. Daylight finally comes and we're like, we're out,

1481
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:47,800
like we've had enough packing up. And I had hung

1482
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,680
my pack by para cord around a tree, and I

1483
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,920
reached around untie it and I pulled my pack around

1484
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,960
and in the para cord there was an old bed,

1485
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:02,199
an old rusty beds that had been wound into the

1486
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:06,359
para cord. So something or someone with hands had to

1487
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,880
twist this thing into the para cord, and I, thankfully

1488
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,520
Chad saw me pull it around. We looked at each

1489
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,079
other like what the hell is that? And we look

1490
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:17,000
behind this tree and there's ferns on the ground that

1491
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,600
you can just see this wake in the ferns where

1492
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,880
something walked right up this tree, right over an old bedspring.

1493
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:24,840
There's an old bedspring there. Must have grabbed a spring

1494
01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:27,600
and twisted on there. Now, if this was a human,

1495
01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:32,239
you don't. It's not a good thing to show up

1496
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:36,079
in somebody's campsite, Like, don't do that. Don't walk into

1497
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:38,520
somebody's campsite at night. We were armed. It would not

1498
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,119
have been a good thing for them. So either a

1499
01:14:41,239 --> 01:14:45,199
very brave, very crazy human or something else, something else

1500
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:48,600
with hands, You tell me. But that was so shocking.

1501
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:51,199
And then we realized right where it twisted on it

1502
01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:53,399
had a perfect view of where Chad would sleep. You

1503
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,000
could just sit there at that tree and just watch

1504
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:59,960
him sleep. So it's like, wow, like this is so crazy.

1505
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,399
Like so that was that was super intensely But that's

1506
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:04,960
why I like having a tent around me.

1507
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:08,520
Speaker 3: Does Chad tent? No?

1508
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:10,199
Speaker 1: No, he still doesn't.

1509
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:18,159
Speaker 3: Chad Chad is brave. Do you tim Do you find

1510
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:24,920
that your activity varies or is more or less depending

1511
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,319
on the iterations of people you take out or go

1512
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:27,760
out with.

1513
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: It seems like it. It seems like certain people, certain

1514
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:36,159
combinations of people will fire off things, and certain combinations

1515
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,840
will fire things in a different way. And Chad and

1516
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,039
I have a like. I always say, I've walked many

1517
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:45,439
miles with him in the woods, and I've grown to

1518
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,800
trust his his sense with this stuff. He's one of

1519
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,960
the people that just has it. Like if you know

1520
01:15:51,119 --> 01:15:54,840
that scene in was it the Avengers movie where the

1521
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,319
Aliens coming, you see Spider Man and his the hairsticks

1522
01:15:57,399 --> 01:15:59,319
up on his arm when his spider sense. Chad has

1523
01:15:59,359 --> 01:16:01,800
that with a parent. We'll just say look and his

1524
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:04,560
hair will be standing straight up and I'll know something's

1525
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,680
going on. Like he literally has like where his hair

1526
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,920
stands on end. So I've just grown to trust him,

1527
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,640
after you know, years and many many miles we've put

1528
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:18,800
on our boots together. I trust his instinct. So yeah,

1529
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,840
but there's other people too that you know, and it

1530
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,439
seems like some people, some combinations will kind of kill it.

1531
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,359
You know. My buddy Sarah and I I love him

1532
01:16:27,359 --> 01:16:29,079
to death, arivee from where to the rogue. But we'll

1533
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,319
we kind of shut stuff down when we're together. Not

1534
01:16:32,399 --> 01:16:35,560
a lot happens when we're together, you know. So is

1535
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,439
that me him is the combination of both of us,

1536
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:37,800
I don't know.

1537
01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that fascinating, and that's a pattern I

1538
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,359
try to pay attention to. When people have a whole

1539
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,199
list of things going on, I try to write down

1540
01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:49,800
who they're with every time and see if that's even

1541
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,520
a factor. And sometimes it is, and sometimes it seems

1542
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:52,920
to not be.

1543
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: One of the things we found and people can test

1544
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,119
this out if again, if you're interested in doing this stuff,

1545
01:16:59,239 --> 01:17:00,920
because I'd like to know if it works for the people.

1546
01:17:02,039 --> 01:17:03,199
And I did a show and I think we called

1547
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,920
it three go out for that reason is three people

1548
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:11,079
and try not to like really like talk about your life,

1549
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,960
like go out to one of these places, but forget

1550
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,399
about Bigfoot or forget about ghosts, or forget about whatever

1551
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,119
you're you know, the objective is and just talk about

1552
01:17:19,159 --> 01:17:22,640
your life and honestly the more sort of personal like

1553
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,840
you know, it's your friends. Hopefully you're not just you know,

1554
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,159
going with three strangers or two strangers, but you talk

1555
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:32,079
about you know, your personal life. And if we are

1556
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,680
experience with this has been like you get involved in

1557
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,800
these personal talks and then again all of a sudden

1558
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,800
things start happening. So you know, it'd be interesting for

1559
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,439
other people to try it. We've had luck with that

1560
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,399
and it doesn't have to be three. We've had luck

1561
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,600
with two, we've had luck with four and five, but

1562
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,680
three seems to be a really good number. It's like

1563
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,760
a really like nice number. So I'd be interested for

1564
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,199
other people to try it and see if it works.

1565
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,279
Three people. Forget about bigfoot, just talk about your life

1566
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:56,119
and see what happens.

1567
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 3: That is, Uh, that's pretty fascinating because I as of late,

1568
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,279
I've talked a couple of times to a gentleman who

1569
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,920
had a very strange experience while out camping and for

1570
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:10,000
purposes a bigfoot admittedly, but there was there was three

1571
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:12,399
of them and a couple of them got ill, and

1572
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,319
one of them was not, but he was doing some

1573
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,520
kind of weird stuff and oh it was Kevin.

1574
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,239
Speaker 1: He was he was on Yeah.

1575
01:18:18,399 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean the second you said in threes,

1576
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,560
I'm like, oh my gosh, well Kevin is a great

1577
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:27,319
example of that. So yeah, yeah, uh do you uh well,

1578
01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:30,600
sorry one more. Uh I'm the worst with this, but

1579
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,680
random question before we get to a little bit from

1580
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:38,479
Spectral Hordes chapter is is that then kind of your protocol?

1581
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,760
Not that it's a protocol, but is that how you

1582
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,399
guys usually run these kinds of things. You're not going

1583
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,640
out whooping into the forest and knocking on things. You

1584
01:18:47,079 --> 01:18:49,399
just kind of go out and just just chat. You

1585
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,359
just build a fire, you just eat, just be there.

1586
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like to hike, so Chad and

1587
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,800
I will usually cover some ground. We'll usually walk and talk,

1588
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:03,520
you know. But yeah, I mean that's what it is.

1589
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,439
We're not doing a lot of hooting and hollering. Let

1590
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,800
it come to you, I guess. You know, it seems

1591
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,279
like if you're too thirsty that can have a negative

1592
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:14,279
effect sometimes too.

1593
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and maybe that's when the when the others

1594
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,920
come in, maybe the dark others see you as even

1595
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,560
more of a beacon and they're going, oh, they really

1596
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,119
want this bad. So not only am I gonna mess

1597
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:33,079
with you while you're out in your hammock like chat

1598
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,840
or just in a little pup tent, but I'm gonna

1599
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:36,399
go home with you.

1600
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could be. Yeah, I think the

1601
01:19:44,319 --> 01:19:46,119
there's a matter of what you bring to it as well.

1602
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,279
When I first started doing this, look, it's always scary.

1603
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:52,000
You're in the wizard night, you know, there's always an

1604
01:19:52,039 --> 01:19:54,760
element of it being a little creepy or scary. But

1605
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,560
I'd say, over time, I've gotten way more relaxed. And

1606
01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:00,600
again this was advice from brother Richard. Hey, you're going

1607
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,239
to get some measure of what you bring to the

1608
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:07,439
stuff back from it. And I started applying that and

1609
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,720
I started going out with a much calmer kind of sense.

1610
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,520
And part of it too is, you know, having done

1611
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,399
it for over a decade, now, you know, I've not

1612
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,840
really ever gotten hurt. You know, We've been bluff charged

1613
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,439
several times and never seeing whatever it is that's charging,

1614
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:29,760
it always stops, you know. So I don't know if

1615
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,159
it's just over time you just get more relaxed, you know.

1616
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,279
But I try to go out with a more relaxed

1617
01:20:35,279 --> 01:20:37,479
attitude and just a better attitude in general, and I

1618
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,760
find I'm happier and the experiences are less of that

1619
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,439
like like super like intense kind of fearful stuff, you know.

1620
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, because very quickly you can have one of those

1621
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:52,000
experiences where we've all heard that is a forest frolicking

1622
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:55,520
ending experience for some people. And that's really sad because

1623
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,199
some of these folks are hunters or they love to

1624
01:20:58,239 --> 01:21:00,720
go camping, and they don't do that anymore, and that's

1625
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,000
that's terrible.

1626
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: I have wondered with some of those, especially with the

1627
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:07,960
hunters and stuff, if they weren't the people that were

1628
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,439
previous to their experience saying, no, this is impossible. I've

1629
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,079
been in the woods all my life. This doesn't happen,

1630
01:21:13,359 --> 01:21:16,239
and they're confronted with something so shocking because it was

1631
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:19,479
an impossibility to them, If it doesn't just completely rock

1632
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,079
their world. Now, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know

1633
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:23,600
that we could ever know that or have enough research

1634
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:27,159
to father. But I do wonder that sometimes, because you know,

1635
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,359
it's a strange thing. Some are really like, no, I

1636
01:21:30,399 --> 01:21:32,119
loved hunting, and I'll never go in the woods again.

1637
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:33,479
I'll never step foot in the wood again.

1638
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 3: That's really a good point. Those might have been the

1639
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,520
same people that they just would laugh that stuff off

1640
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:39,680
like complete bs.

1641
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: That's a great pot I wonder about it. I wonder hmmm.

1642
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:48,520
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's let's talk about at least one

1643
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:51,760
portion from Spectral Hordes before we go to kind of

1644
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,039
because at the end of the book there's more these

1645
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:57,439
and sometimes these are some of my favorite encounters and

1646
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,319
stories that come on. If is the one you can't

1647
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:01,640
quite put in a box, and we're going to cover

1648
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,359
one of those before I let you go. But okay,

1649
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:07,920
there is a portion about night ladies, and these aren't

1650
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:09,840
quite the kind of night ladies that I have in

1651
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:10,880
my neck of the words.

1652
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: So that was a delionation that there's a term that

1653
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:24,600
claude like a toae. So he was he passed away,

1654
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,840
I mean, he rest in peace. He's a excellent folklores

1655
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,640
from France, and he wrote a number of like great books.

1656
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,159
You can't go wrong if you pick up a claued

1657
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,000
lek a Tooe book. But one of the ones he

1658
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:34,760
wrote was called Phantom Armies of the Night. It was

1659
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,680
about the wild hunt and ghostly armies of the dead

1660
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,119
and so forth in Europe. So I'm using that as

1661
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:43,960
a sort of a source for a lot of the information.

1662
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,399
But the categories he broke down that was one of

1663
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,960
them called them night ladies because they're not always witches.

1664
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,640
Sometimes they were just these sort of women from folklore

1665
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,520
that he thinks maybe preceded with the modern sort of

1666
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,399
witch archetype that we have. But they would gather in

1667
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,079
the night and they would go off to you know,

1668
01:23:01,159 --> 01:23:03,159
what we would now call the sabbath and so forth.

1669
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:05,760
So he just caught him nightly, so I just used

1670
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:10,520
his designation for this. But yeah, mostly in the form

1671
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,439
in Pennsylvania, they're going to take the form of witches though.

1672
01:23:14,119 --> 01:23:17,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of these are I mean, it's it's

1673
01:23:17,319 --> 01:23:20,720
quite dark when when they said what these ladies may

1674
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:25,640
have been doing murder, cannibalism, reanimation of the dead, which

1675
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,760
I've always found, you know, fascinating. If you have that

1676
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,840
kind of power, that is not that is not the

1677
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,439
kind of witch that you want to be messing with.

1678
01:23:35,319 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, one of the places they gathered was

1679
01:23:38,199 --> 01:23:42,760
is hex Andcophill, which is translated from Pennsylvania Gium would

1680
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,920
be witch's head called the Witch's Head, which is a

1681
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,800
really interesting place. There's tons of legends associated with it.

1682
01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:52,840
If I can visit the places that I write about,

1683
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:58,680
I do. I've been there, super interesting place. Didn't have

1684
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,359
anything particularly weird happened to me when I was there,

1685
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,960
But that doesn't mean nothing weird happens there. I always

1686
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,720
say that just because just because nothing weird happens to

1687
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,479
you doesn't mean weird stuff doesn't happen there. But there's

1688
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,199
it's associated with witches gathering, and there's all kinds of

1689
01:24:11,239 --> 01:24:14,600
ghost stories there and weird, you know, headless hunters and

1690
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,279
headless dogs and just lore after lore after lore of

1691
01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:20,560
this little I mean, it's a big rock, but it's

1692
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,840
essentially a little place. It doesn't take up a lot

1693
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,239
of space on this hill. And to have so much

1694
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:29,119
lore concentrated in one place is super fascinating. And it's

1695
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,239
you can You can go there. It's technically a nature preserve,

1696
01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:35,399
but they don't really publicize it much, and there's not

1697
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,199
a lot of clear trails that lead to it, but

1698
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,520
it is public land. You can go there.

1699
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:45,079
Speaker 3: And before we go to the fish Man, Uh there,

1700
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:48,159
there was a little a portion it says in Somerset County,

1701
01:24:48,279 --> 01:24:52,279
there is a historical marker noting that quote lore tells

1702
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:55,960
of witches casting spells in the area unquote. I love that.

1703
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's for Hexa Barger. So I actually have the

1704
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,039
I knew we were going to talk about this, so

1705
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:03,640
I pulled up the actual marker. So this is Hexa

1706
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,600
Barger aka Hex or Witches Hill Lord tells of which

1707
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,880
is casting spells in the area thought to be named

1708
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,760
after reputed which Prissy Rugg in early eighteen hundreds, and

1709
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,159
that that's an actual historical marker.

1710
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 3: That's super cool. Have you been to that one?

1711
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,560
Speaker 1: I have not been to that one. I need to

1712
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:22,960
make it out Western PA. I haven't done a lot

1713
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,079
with I need to get out to the Western Pennsylvania

1714
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:26,680
a bit more. I've been there a few times, but

1715
01:25:27,079 --> 01:25:30,399
I haven't really done any like super deep exploring there.

1716
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:33,319
Speaker 3: All Right, now, we're going to go to York City, PA.

1717
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,520
And this is the fish that walks like a man.

1718
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love this story. This is I've actually printed

1719
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,039
this probably in three of my books.

1720
01:25:44,119 --> 01:25:45,239
Speaker 5: Now. A.

1721
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,239
Speaker 1: I love the Susquehanna. I live near the Susquehanna River.

1722
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:48,359
Speaker 2: It's I just.

1723
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 1: I love this river. It's a huge, giant river. I

1724
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,520
call it the Mighty Susquehanna, and there's all these weird

1725
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,079
stuff associated with it. I love to hike by the Susquehanna,

1726
01:25:58,119 --> 01:25:59,600
which is Chad always likes to go to the mountains,

1727
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,079
always like go to the river. See he calls me

1728
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:04,720
a river rat. But you know, I just love I

1729
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,199
love the hiking along and everything.

1730
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:07,199
Speaker 4: So this is.

1731
01:26:09,159 --> 01:26:12,279
Speaker 1: Walks like a man. Strange animal alarms Pennsylvania residents along

1732
01:26:12,319 --> 01:26:16,720
the Susquehanna, York, Pennsylvania, October twenty second. People residing along

1733
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,920
the river midway between cly and Goldsboro, are mystified and

1734
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,119
some alarmed over the sight of a strange creature that

1735
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:25,000
has its aboat in the Susquehanna. Thus far but two

1736
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:27,119
men and their wives have seen the thing. As it

1737
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,199
was seen in broad daylight. More credence is given to

1738
01:26:29,279 --> 01:26:30,760
the story than would be if it had been seen

1739
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,600
at night, when people are more prone to see quote things.

1740
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:36,880
The strange creature, whether fish or animal, is described as

1741
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,640
being as large as a man when seen. It came

1742
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,079
up out of the water erect like a man walking,

1743
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,720
and is described as looking like a man without arms.

1744
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,479
Those persons who have seen it declared that they are

1745
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:53,399
not the victims of an optical illusion. This places it

1746
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,640
a few miles above an area called Toad Road, which

1747
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,640
I've written two books about, and which there are legends

1748
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,880
of a toad man being at in the So the

1749
01:27:03,159 --> 01:27:06,760
Cador's Creek runs along Toad Road, and that meets the Susquehanna.

1750
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,479
Really not far from Toad Road at all. A short

1751
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,920
distance from Toad Road it meets the Susquehanna River, So

1752
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,600
we're not far from Toad Road, and they are legends

1753
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,560
of a toad man in the Cador's Creek there. So

1754
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,159
how different as a fish man and a toad man,

1755
01:27:20,199 --> 01:27:21,439
you know what I mean? You get into this stuff.

1756
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,119
It's very very interesting. We're talking, you know, a couple

1757
01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:25,520
of miles apart that people were talking about these things.

1758
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, a man without arms, I would instantly go that

1759
01:27:30,319 --> 01:27:33,439
might be on my no list. No, thank you, Yeah, yeah,

1760
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:34,720
that'll stick with you.

1761
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very strange, and like I would if we're nowadays,

1762
01:27:40,039 --> 01:27:42,119
i'd find these people and get more information.

1763
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1764
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: That's the one bad thing about these newspaper You can't

1765
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,880
track these people down, say what did you see? You

1766
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,920
know it's from I think that was from like early

1767
01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:51,920
nineteen hundreds, like nineteen fifteen or something. These people are

1768
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,199
going gone, so you can't get any more information like

1769
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,239
what did it look like? Did it have scales? Did

1770
01:27:56,319 --> 01:28:01,479
you know? Tell me more? Frustrating sometimes, Oh, it definitely is.

1771
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,239
Speaker 3: Well, Tim, Since it's our first time having an end

1772
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:07,319
depth discussion, I would like to ask you two of

1773
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:11,359
my favorite questions for usually anybody, and since I just

1774
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,000
said seeing the man without arms would probably be on

1775
01:28:14,119 --> 01:28:16,680
my no list. What is an entity or creature that

1776
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,159
is one hundred percent on your no list. You'd never

1777
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:20,199
want to see your encounter.

1778
01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: If these dog man encounters are as people say, and

1779
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:33,840
most of these reports seem to be pretty intimidating at least,

1780
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:39,600
and people come away very terrified, I could do without that.

1781
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,560
The stories of them getting right in people's face and

1782
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:48,079
growling and things like this. Yeah, I don't need that.

1783
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,079
If I get to see one at a distance, maybe

1784
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:54,600
and it doesn't take notice to me, sure, sure, I'll

1785
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,319
take that. But the encounters or people are up close

1786
01:28:57,359 --> 01:28:59,800
and personal with them, that sounds like something I would

1787
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:00,239
not want.

1788
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, then your your river rat or hiking with Chad

1789
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:08,840
days maybe a little less after something like that, right, Yeah.

1790
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean i'd hope not, but it could be. Yeah,

1791
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:13,079
it could be.

1792
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:14,319
Speaker 4: All right.

1793
01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:17,359
Speaker 3: So last question is, then the flip flop of that

1794
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:23,640
coin is what's one creature, entity, whatever subject matter that

1795
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,039
you would absolutely want to see or encounter.

1796
01:29:28,079 --> 01:29:30,520
Speaker 1: So do we have time for a long answer?

1797
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:31,359
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

1798
01:29:32,079 --> 01:29:36,239
Speaker 1: Okay, short answer, bigfoot. Long answer is, I don't know

1799
01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:40,800
if that gets to be true. Because of this, I

1800
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,239
have seen things in the woods very quick, things that

1801
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:45,960
are probably too big to be well, definitely too big

1802
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:47,800
to be in the woods in New York County, Pennsylvania

1803
01:29:48,359 --> 01:29:49,880
so fast. I can't tell you what it was. It

1804
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,000
was just big and gray and black. I can't say

1805
01:29:54,039 --> 01:29:56,600
for sure it was. I've seen eyeshine, great big eyeshine

1806
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,760
where I heard a sound. I was with my buddy.

1807
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,720
We're at this place and we try to keep our

1808
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,880
head lamps off, but at the end of the night

1809
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,359
we always say, well, you know, we're done. Whenever we

1810
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:10,079
decide to go, we'll wait for one more noise. We'll

1811
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:11,880
flip our headlamps and see if we can see anything,

1812
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,399
and then then we'll head out. We had decided to go,

1813
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,760
and we heard what I call a gorilla grunt like

1814
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:20,399
it was, and it seemed like it was in the

1815
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:24,359
brush rate in front of us. We're standing in a

1816
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:27,439
parking area basically looking into the woods. It was like,

1817
01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:29,640
but I can't get that. I can't get low enough

1818
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,399
of it, but so low, and it backed us both up.

1819
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:35,479
Of course, we flip our lights and we don't see

1820
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,039
anything because it's just brushed there. But I turned to

1821
01:30:38,079 --> 01:30:42,960
the right and there's this abandoned road that leads down

1822
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,479
into the woods, and I light up eyes and these

1823
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,199
things are huge. I mean just they look like the

1824
01:30:51,359 --> 01:30:56,359
fifth sized eyes glowing white or reflecting white, and about

1825
01:30:56,399 --> 01:30:59,159
eight feet off the ground. And my buddy James, and

1826
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:02,960
I said, James, look at that, and it turned its head.

1827
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:08,039
You could literally see the eyes turn and I presume

1828
01:31:08,319 --> 01:31:10,920
walked away because I said, oh man, you missed these eyes.

1829
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,520
And right as I said that, I presume it looked

1830
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,079
back over its shoulder. That's what it looked like. I

1831
01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:17,960
couldn't see anything, but the eyes come back around. He

1832
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,279
got to see him when they turned came back, thankfully.

1833
01:31:22,199 --> 01:31:23,880
That was pretty amazing. I don't know what that was

1834
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:28,520
attached to, you know, I guess bigfoot. It looked bigfoot sides.

1835
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:32,279
I don't know. So I am lucky enough to be

1836
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:36,319
invited to Pine Ridge Reservation to collect bigfoot stories. And

1837
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,119
I get there and our hosts are are driving us

1838
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:42,479
around and we're outside of the town of Pine Ridge,

1839
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,680
out in the hills and stuff. It's very beautiful. Saw

1840
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,920
wild horses out there, just gorgeous lamb and we're driving

1841
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,119
through there and they said, no one's ever out here,

1842
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,039
but we just want to show you the land. They

1843
01:31:52,079 --> 01:31:55,199
literally said, like nobody's gonna be out here, and We're

1844
01:31:55,239 --> 01:31:57,840
driving through the hills and it's just gorgeous, like ponderosa

1845
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,880
pines and all this stuff, and you expect to see,

1846
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,760
you know, Clint Eastwood riding over the hills, you know,

1847
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:04,760
in this poncho or something else, look like that kind

1848
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:09,720
of landscape. And they get done showing us around, and

1849
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,159
I said, hey, can we come back tonight and go

1850
01:32:12,279 --> 01:32:15,000
back out there? They say, oh, sure. So came back

1851
01:32:15,039 --> 01:32:21,119
at night and we're driving up to this ridge and

1852
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,720
again they had literally said, no one will be out here.

1853
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,520
Will we pass the guy? It's a hiker and he's

1854
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:32,760
got four or five dogs with him. Looks to be of,

1855
01:32:33,079 --> 01:32:35,479
you know, normal height. I'd put him, I don't know,

1856
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,720
around six foot, I don't know. He looked, you know,

1857
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,279
roughly normal height. He's wearing a hoodie, he's got a

1858
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:43,640
pack on his back, and he's carrying walking with a

1859
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:48,600
ridiculously large walking stick, like four inches in diameter and

1860
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,000
about like eight feet high or something like this massive

1861
01:32:52,079 --> 01:32:54,920
walking stick he's walking, which is just if you're a hiker,

1862
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,720
that's just dumb. That's wasted calories, that's like, what are

1863
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,000
you doing? And so I'm like, that is just so dumb. Like,

1864
01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:03,079
that's odd, and they said, no, one wan't to be

1865
01:33:03,119 --> 01:33:05,000
out here. And I look over the guy as I

1866
01:33:05,079 --> 01:33:08,279
drive by him, and I was like, I specifically made

1867
01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:10,920
a mental note, Oh he has my facial hair, so

1868
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:16,880
he wasn't a native guy. That's odd. And the host says,

1869
01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:19,960
go up and turn around and come back. So I

1870
01:33:20,039 --> 01:33:22,960
did that, but I'm thinking, like, this guy is gonna

1871
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,920
think we're coming back like to him for some reason,

1872
01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:30,560
you know, maybe this isn't like, maybe we're gonna scare him.

1873
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1874
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,359
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, but it's I don't live there,

1875
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,000
you know, And I'm just doing what the host said.

1876
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,039
So I went up and turned around and came back.

1877
01:33:37,039 --> 01:33:38,760
It was a minute because I timed it. Later in

1878
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,439
the trip. We get back and we get out of

1879
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,960
the car and this guy's nowhere to be seen. Now

1880
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,279
we're on a ridgetop, we can look on both sides.

1881
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,960
This guy's nowhere to be seen. And I turned to

1882
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:54,600
John and I'm like John, my buddy, John. I'm like John,

1883
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,159
we should be able to see this guy, right, And he's, oh, yeah,

1884
01:33:58,199 --> 01:34:02,199
Like where did he go? And it's funny because one

1885
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:04,239
of our hosts was a skeptic he was like, literally

1886
01:34:04,279 --> 01:34:06,720
the only skeptic I met the entire time I was there.

1887
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,920
The other was a believer, and he's they were a

1888
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,039
married couple, and he says, well, he just went down

1889
01:34:12,079 --> 01:34:14,359
that trail there, and I said, it's not about where

1890
01:34:14,399 --> 01:34:16,600
he went, it's about how fast he got there. Man, like,

1891
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,359
we should be able to see him, and he's like, ah,

1892
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,880
I'm sure he just went down the trail. So we

1893
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,159
hang out there and it gets dark, wind picks up

1894
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,039
a lot, like it was windier that night than any

1895
01:34:29,079 --> 01:34:31,039
other time we were there. And he gets out of

1896
01:34:31,119 --> 01:34:34,000
spotlight the host and he's shining around the field and

1897
01:34:34,079 --> 01:34:36,600
he hit something in the field that was jet black.

1898
01:34:38,199 --> 01:34:42,960
When he was spotlight hit this thing, I literally jumped like,

1899
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:47,600
what is that. His wife's let out a scream. She

1900
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:52,399
literally screamed. And to me, this black thing looked it

1901
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,079
looked like mouthman like crouching over in the field or something.

1902
01:34:55,079 --> 01:34:59,520
Says very bizarre. Didn't move, it was stationary. And I'm

1903
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,319
looking at and I'm like, what is that And he's like, oh,

1904
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,920
somebody left some car seats out in the field. Well,

1905
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:07,720
he lives there, and I just thought he knows what

1906
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,880
he's talking about so out of my mind it went.

1907
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,199
We stayed up there for a little while longer and

1908
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,439
go back to the hotel and I go to sleep,

1909
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:20,680
and I have this dream and in the dream everything's

1910
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:23,039
the same. We're driving up. I see the hiker. He's

1911
01:35:23,079 --> 01:35:25,119
got the big stick. I don't know if the dogs

1912
01:35:25,159 --> 01:35:26,840
are in the dream or not, but in any case,

1913
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,000
I turn around and come back and now the hiker's Bigfoot,

1914
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,720
and the staff makes sense because it's the right size

1915
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,520
for Bigfoot. I wake up and I tell John. I'm like, John,

1916
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,359
this is like I had this cool dream, like whoop

1917
01:35:38,359 --> 01:35:40,279
about the hiker, but it was Bigfoot. It made sense,

1918
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,640
you know. So we go off and the next day

1919
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,199
we're collecting more stories and we're visiting this woman. She

1920
01:35:46,359 --> 01:35:48,760
was the wife of a very well known medicine man

1921
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,319
from the Lakota. He had passed. But we're talking to

1922
01:35:52,359 --> 01:35:56,720
her and she invites us in her house. Wonderfully sweet woman,

1923
01:35:57,319 --> 01:35:59,119
and she says, so I hear you want to talk

1924
01:35:59,119 --> 01:36:03,000
about Bigfoot. Yeah, And she said to me, you look

1925
01:36:03,119 --> 01:36:08,600
like Bigfoot. Didn't think anything of it right then put

1926
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,520
something together later on, Oh okay. She tells all her stories,

1927
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,880
great stories, of course, and at the end she says,

1928
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:16,880
have you ever seen And I said, to zactly to you,

1929
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,600
I don't know. I've seen these eyes shine, and I've

1930
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:21,840
seen this big thing, but I can't say that i've

1931
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,439
seen it. And I won't say until I see it,

1932
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,439
until it steps out in front of me and I

1933
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:27,279
see it, and I'll tell you I've seen it. Otherwise

1934
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:28,800
I'm going to tell you I don't know what I've seen.

1935
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,960
I've seen something big and fast, I've seen eyes laid up.

1936
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:35,159
I don't know what I've seen. So she said, have

1937
01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:39,279
you ever thought about asking him? And I said no,

1938
01:36:40,359 --> 01:36:43,119
but I will. She said, yeah, just ask him, Say

1939
01:36:43,239 --> 01:36:46,479
to ask him if you can see him. Okay, when

1940
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:48,680
we go about the rest of our week and collecting

1941
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,960
all these stories and just wonderful time, and everybody was

1942
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:56,600
beautiful and wonderful. And is the last like full day

1943
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:02,640
and night we were there, they they had a little event.

1944
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,640
We bought food into the community, made food, and they

1945
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,720
taught us how to put up a traditional tepee. It's

1946
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,600
amazing once in I don't know if you have this experience,

1947
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,600
but you realize how lucky you are sometimes, you know,

1948
01:37:14,079 --> 01:37:16,000
and to be there and to like be taught this

1949
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:17,880
and just be on the code of land and just

1950
01:37:18,039 --> 01:37:20,680
like it just was amazing it, just like I couldn't

1951
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,960
believe how lucky I am. And they said, hey, you

1952
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:24,640
built the TP you can stay in it tonight if

1953
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,840
you want. So yeah, okay, sure. So we come back

1954
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:32,680
that night and we're hanging out and talking and stuff,

1955
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,960
and at some point I just walked away, not hundreds

1956
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,479
of yards away, but maybe fifty yards away from people,

1957
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:41,319
maybe twenty yards away, I don't know, just to be

1958
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,039
by myself. It was my last like full night there.

1959
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,960
And I'm looking at these geological formations they call pascas.

1960
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,760
They're kind of like white hills, and I'm looking at

1961
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:53,039
this paul Huska. And earlier in the day, this really

1962
01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:55,359
cool guy told me the story about being paced by

1963
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:58,199
a bigfoot down that paul Huska. So I'm literally looking

1964
01:37:58,279 --> 01:37:59,880
at at the place where you know where he's telling

1965
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:03,039
me about it, and I'm saying like, I'm ready to

1966
01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:05,279
see you now. I really am, I'm ready to see

1967
01:38:05,319 --> 01:38:07,279
you now. But then I realize, oh, I'm not asking,

1968
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,039
So I had a change. It's like could I see you?

1969
01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:14,039
Like could I see you now? And I tell you

1970
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:19,319
people talk about mind speak. It wasn't that I did

1971
01:38:19,399 --> 01:38:21,119
not hear words in my head, but I got a

1972
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:24,039
feeling come over me that was so clear that I

1973
01:38:24,079 --> 01:38:27,279
could perfectly render into words. So I call it heart speak, right.

1974
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,239
It was a feeling that I could rent, and it

1975
01:38:29,319 --> 01:38:32,960
was you already have. I do not know what that means.

1976
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,439
I don't know if that means one of those things

1977
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,840
I saw in York County before. I don't know if

1978
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,680
that means. And I'll get to the back to this hiker.

1979
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:44,319
I don't know what it means. And I don't know

1980
01:38:44,359 --> 01:38:46,159
if that means I never get a chance to again

1981
01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:49,520
because I already have. Right, it's the open ended answers

1982
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,359
you get with this stuff. They never give you clear answers.

1983
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,960
It's like the Protection from Ape story in the book,

1984
01:38:55,079 --> 01:38:57,359
which we can go over quickly too. They never give

1985
01:38:57,399 --> 01:38:59,640
you clear answers. There's always like a hook or a

1986
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,119
little twist to it. So you already have What does

1987
01:39:02,199 --> 01:39:06,800
that mean? I don't know. Okay, last day we're on

1988
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,640
the plantation, they said reservation. Sorry, Now, last day we're

1989
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,039
in the reservation, they said, what do you want to do?

1990
01:39:12,079 --> 01:39:13,640
I said, I want to go back up to that ridge.

1991
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:18,439
I want to look at that again. So we did,

1992
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:22,159
and about where we saw the hiker, I dropped John

1993
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:24,640
off in the car and I timed how quick and

1994
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,199
you could see it's real dusty soil. You could see

1995
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:29,479
exactly where I turned around. So I timed it. It

1996
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,479
was exactly, almost exactly a minute to drive up, turn around,

1997
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:36,239
and go back. And I told John run go as

1998
01:39:36,279 --> 01:39:40,199
fast as you can and try to disappear. And John tried,

1999
01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:42,279
and he was still well visible by the time I

2000
01:39:42,359 --> 01:39:46,880
got back. So again, our host gets out and he's

2001
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:49,399
running through the field and he's he's, well, he could

2002
01:39:49,399 --> 01:39:50,840
have gone here, he could have gone here. This might

2003
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,520
be one of his footprints. And he's super fast, and

2004
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:55,800
John's faster than me. So by the time I get there,

2005
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:59,680
there's three sets of footprints before mine, you know. So

2006
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,079
there's and after a while, I'm just like, I give up,

2007
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:03,800
And I said, once again, I told the guy, it's

2008
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,840
not where he went, it's how fast he got there

2009
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:10,239
with four or five dogs which were on leashes, you

2010
01:40:10,279 --> 01:40:11,640
know what I mean. It was like he had to

2011
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:16,199
disappear with these ANIMs. So I decide John and him

2012
01:40:16,279 --> 01:40:18,960
can track look for footprint I'm going to walk through

2013
01:40:19,039 --> 01:40:21,520
and just enjoy the landscape. So I'm just walking through

2014
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,560
the field, just enjoying my last day there. It's just

2015
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:28,319
and I'm picking up some like cans and stuff people

2016
01:40:28,319 --> 01:40:31,439
have left around, and you know, as I'm there, so

2017
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,359
the point of that being no one had come and

2018
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:38,800
cleaned up the area from the time we were there. Well,

2019
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,680
as I'm doing this, I'm looking around and I noticed

2020
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:49,000
that car seat there's nowhere to be seen nowhere around.

2021
01:40:50,039 --> 01:40:51,880
I said, John, come here, and I called John over

2022
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,720
and he came over and I said, look around, tell

2023
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,239
me what you see. He's like, what are you talking about?

2024
01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:58,960
I think, where's that car seat? And he looks at

2025
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:00,479
me and his eyes get real big. He's like, it's

2026
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:04,399
not here. Yeah, it's not here. And I called our

2027
01:41:04,399 --> 01:41:07,479
host over, said, hey, dude, where's that car seat? And

2028
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,439
I'm sure you've had this before too, where you see

2029
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,199
like a minute of like or a second, a brief

2030
01:41:12,319 --> 01:41:14,760
like second of like where we hit a skeptic with something.

2031
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,720
They're like, whoa, it was just that. And then he

2032
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,800
immediately said, well the wind blow it over and walked away.

2033
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:22,880
If the wind was blown way harder that night, we

2034
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,479
were there, like it would still be there if the

2035
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,600
wind blew it over. You know, he just wanted nothing

2036
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:30,239
to do with that wind blew it over. He would

2037
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:33,399
walk it with. So we get back and then I

2038
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:35,880
started asking everybody in the car, what did you see

2039
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:44,600
that night with that hiker? Are the female host lady said, oh,

2040
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,880
he's a Hispanic guy. Listen to my friend who was

2041
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,920
there with us, She's like, oh, he looked like a

2042
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:52,760
hippie from northern California. He was wearing sunglasses. He thought

2043
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:56,720
he was Joe Cool. John says sunglasses. He wouldn't wearing sunglasses.

2044
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:58,239
I looked him right in the eyes when we passed.

2045
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:02,239
We couldn't agree on what he looked like other than

2046
01:42:02,279 --> 01:42:03,760
he was wearing a hoodie and he had that big

2047
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,119
walking stick. Everybody agreed on that. And then our host

2048
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:09,479
tells us, and I don't know, I need to get

2049
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:11,239
in touch with her and ask her where she got

2050
01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:13,439
this information. She said, I was told you would have

2051
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,520
a sighting from the car. Because now I'm putting this

2052
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,840
together and I'm telling him, like, look, we saw like that,

2053
01:42:18,279 --> 01:42:19,960
what was that black thing? That black thing's going and

2054
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,079
we're sort of putting all this together and she's like,

2055
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:23,399
you know, I was told you were gonna have a

2056
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:27,319
sighting from the car when you were here. So was

2057
01:42:27,399 --> 01:42:30,640
that hiker a shape shifting bigfoot thing or something? I

2058
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,520
don't know, was that related to that you already have.

2059
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,159
I don't know what any of this means, but it's

2060
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:41,399
this incredible experience and it's just like I I don't know,

2061
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:45,199
I don't know. We we have the black thing on

2062
01:42:45,319 --> 01:42:47,920
camera too, whatever that is. You can't tell what it is,

2063
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:49,880
but you can see a black thing in the field,

2064
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,520
like like I think Lucinda was filming, so we have

2065
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,439
like a few seconds of it like on camera.

2066
01:42:56,720 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Tim, Oh, I somehow I thought that

2067
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,680
was what you were going to say that everybody saw

2068
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:08,640
something different, just because how many people I spoken to

2069
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:09,520
it was close.

2070
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,199
Speaker 1: And again when I said, oh, he has my facial

2071
01:43:12,239 --> 01:43:16,640
hair and she said you look like bigfoot, like there's

2072
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,760
like something about that. To me, it was like, oh,

2073
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:22,439
there's something there, Like did I like who was this guy?

2074
01:43:23,279 --> 01:43:25,960
And you know, nobody ever figured out who he was

2075
01:43:26,119 --> 01:43:28,159
or anything like this hik or this mysterious like who

2076
01:43:28,199 --> 01:43:30,920
shouldn't have been there? He wasn't supposed to be there.

2077
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:34,199
Speaker 3: And with all these dogs. What kind of clothing did

2078
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:38,159
he have? I mean, or was everybody's version different of

2079
01:43:38,199 --> 01:43:38,600
the clothing?

2080
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 1: Besides, I mean he had a hoodie, which, again, like

2081
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,479
I think that's funny because like how many you know,

2082
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,439
big foot report, especially in the early days of like

2083
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,560
Saskran and stuff. You hear people it looked like somebody

2084
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,399
in a hoodie. Yeah, he was wearing a hoodie. He

2085
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:52,880
had the hood up. And I didn't clock sunglasses. But

2086
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:54,960
if he's wearing sunglasses, that's the other thing. People say, Oh, yeah,

2087
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,680
I look like somebody in the hoodie with sunglasses. You know,

2088
01:43:57,079 --> 01:43:59,199
people say, oh, that was their big eyes or or whatever.

2089
01:43:59,279 --> 01:44:02,439
So I thought that that was funny. But the only

2090
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:04,000
thing I clocked was his facial hair, and I thought

2091
01:44:04,079 --> 01:44:06,960
he looked white. I specifically, Oh that's not a native guy,

2092
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:08,439
Like what's he doing out here?

2093
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 3: You know?

2094
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know.

2095
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:14,159
Speaker 3: Do you get to go back out there?

2096
01:44:16,079 --> 01:44:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure I could. I would be invited again, I

2097
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:24,319
have not yet, but I'm sure it could happen at

2098
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:27,760
some point. Our hosts were very gracious people, and they

2099
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,560
shared everything with us. Is wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Everybody I

2100
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,399
talked to had a story except the one guy, and

2101
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,520
even he said, tells me he said, oh, I don't

2102
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,199
believe in any of that stuff, and tells me ufo story.

2103
01:44:37,319 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 3: Of course.

2104
01:44:39,359 --> 01:44:42,640
Speaker 1: But everybody had Bigfoot stories. Literally, everybody had a big

2105
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:46,079
Foot story. Yeah, And I'd ask everyone at the end, well,

2106
01:44:46,119 --> 01:44:48,119
what do you think it is? And everybody said a spirit.

2107
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:50,760
Even though they're telling me stories of Bigfoot breaking into

2108
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,720
trailers and throwing motorcycles and doing all this like very

2109
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,199
physical stuff, they all said, it's a spirit.

2110
01:44:56,359 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, But when they're here or in their

2111
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:03,520
actual flesh and blood bodies, they're they're forced to be

2112
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:04,520
reckoned with for sure.

2113
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Well you brought up.

2114
01:45:07,079 --> 01:45:08,640
Speaker 3: Sorry, Tim, go ahead, what are you gonna say?

2115
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:10,399
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they can break into trailers, they can

2116
01:45:10,439 --> 01:45:11,680
throw motors, you know what I mean, they can do

2117
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,720
things like why when they're here, they're here. But it's

2118
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:15,439
the problem.

2119
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 3: But it's funny though, because going back to your point

2120
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,520
before about them getting up on trailers, which they should

2121
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:25,000
just be denting to high Hell, they're not. So when

2122
01:45:25,079 --> 01:45:28,560
they need to be very very light footed, they can be.

2123
01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so it's so hard not to connect

2124
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:37,119
this stuff with I, you know, because I'm fascinating the stuff,

2125
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:38,840
and I also happen to because like I'm very interested

2126
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,000
in marrying apparitions and these seers that see them, and

2127
01:45:42,079 --> 01:45:45,479
they will manifest things like incredible weight at sometimes and

2128
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:49,680
incredible lightness at other times. There will be like the

2129
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,399
one account I'm super fascinated with his Garbon doll in

2130
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:55,960
Spain in the nineteen sixties, and there were these young women.

2131
01:45:56,079 --> 01:45:59,000
They were like ten to twelve, I think, when these

2132
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,359
things started happening, four of them, these visionaries, and they

2133
01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:05,039
would go into these trances and grown men couldn't lift

2134
01:46:05,079 --> 01:46:07,960
them like so there were skeptics that would come to

2135
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,760
the town. It became a thing where people would come

2136
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,439
to town to watch them and stuff, because it happened

2137
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,119
again and again, and these these skeptics would come to town.

2138
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:15,920
And the one girl's father said, oh, go ahead and

2139
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,199
try to pick her up. You think she's faking you

2140
01:46:18,319 --> 01:46:20,680
go try to lift her. And grown men could not

2141
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:22,800
lift these little girls off the ground. They would try

2142
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:25,319
and try and try, and they couldn't do it. So

2143
01:46:26,359 --> 01:46:28,760
and again other times their manifesting lightness. Other times the

2144
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,239
other girls were seen to just lift them up as

2145
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:35,319
if they were feathers. So there's a thing with this that.

2146
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,079
And again I'm not saying, please don't think I'm saying

2147
01:46:38,079 --> 01:46:40,239
bigfoots a demon. I don't think bigfoots a demon. I

2148
01:46:40,279 --> 01:46:42,199
think that's a dumb form for a demon to take.

2149
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:45,600
Of all the forms you could take, Bigfoot's not going

2150
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:47,439
to make me do anything. Show up to my house

2151
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:50,039
as a beautiful woman, then there's probably a problem there.

2152
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,920
But Bigfoot, you're not going to get me to do

2153
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,399
any commit a sin. Yeah, so I do not, in

2154
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,479
my heart of hearts think in any way bigfoots a demon.

2155
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,479
But it's very interesting how they manifest the similar stuff.

2156
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:04,880
These apparitions are said to appear, you know, brighters in

2157
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,520
the sun, but people can easily look at them, they

2158
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:09,359
don't hurt their eyes. Well, Bigfoot blacker than black, you know.

2159
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:13,560
They manifest this beautiful, wonderful smell that people can't always describe,

2160
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,479
or sometimes the smell of roses. Well, Bigfoot manifests that

2161
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:17,279
horrible smell.

2162
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 3: You know.

2163
01:47:18,039 --> 01:47:21,279
Speaker 1: It's very interesting how there's these sort of equal but

2164
01:47:21,359 --> 01:47:24,800
opposite phenomena associated with these things. I don't think it

2165
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:28,800
means Bigfoot bad. I think it means as brother, Richards says,

2166
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,279
they're using the same channels to get.

2167
01:47:31,159 --> 01:47:35,159
Speaker 3: Through well, and going back to that whole idea that

2168
01:47:36,079 --> 01:47:39,680
the smellier ones are just they're running out of time

2169
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,199
in this plane of existence, you know, So maybe we

2170
01:47:43,319 --> 01:47:46,319
hear plenty of Bigfoot reports where there's no smell involved.

2171
01:47:46,359 --> 01:47:48,319
And I'm like, what, he just popped out of the portal.

2172
01:47:48,399 --> 01:47:50,199
So he's a fresh version right now?

2173
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:51,479
Speaker 1: Could be?

2174
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that idea. Well, did you want to

2175
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,079
close with that? You mentioned protection from apes?

2176
01:47:57,159 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah. So this is this wonderful story that

2177
01:48:05,039 --> 01:48:08,800
if you watch the Hell You're documentary. I'm sure people

2178
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:13,399
know who Tyler Strand is. And he collected this story

2179
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:22,880
at a Bigfoot and UFO event in western Pennsylvania and sorry,

2180
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:28,000
I'm having trouble finding it here. And a woman came

2181
01:48:28,079 --> 01:48:29,520
up to him and told him the story, and he

2182
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:33,399
told it on Strange Familiars, so I will. This is

2183
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:36,399
a quote from Tyler that is taken from the show.

2184
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:38,760
Tyler said, what she told me is that her cousin

2185
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:41,399
when she was little, was playing inside of her garage.

2186
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:43,680
I think she was between eight or twelve years old

2187
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:46,520
in that age range. She was playing in her garage alone,

2188
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:48,359
and on the floor of the garage there was a

2189
01:48:48,399 --> 01:48:52,439
manhole cover for drainage, a perforated manhole cover. And while

2190
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:54,600
she's playing, the cover starts to rattle and shake, and

2191
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,520
it slides open and out crawls a little man, a

2192
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,640
little old man, sounds like a gnome. The girl looks

2193
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,000
at them and they both lock eyes, and out of nowhere,

2194
01:49:03,039 --> 01:49:05,760
they just start wrestling each other and fighting. She said,

2195
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:09,439
my cousin. After they're rolling around and tussling for five minutes,

2196
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:11,319
they both sort of stop and look at each other

2197
01:49:11,399 --> 01:49:13,880
and start laughing. This little man said, you know what,

2198
01:49:14,199 --> 01:49:16,640
I'm going to give you the gift of protection from apes.

2199
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:19,600
And she said, ever since that day, my cousin has

2200
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,239
been haunted by seeing things that look like bigfoot walking

2201
01:49:22,319 --> 01:49:25,159
in the periphery of your yard. It gets weirder, she said,

2202
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:27,319
a mistool appear and they will literally form out of

2203
01:49:27,359 --> 01:49:30,359
the mist. She said, I've had sleepovers with my cousin

2204
01:49:30,399 --> 01:49:33,359
and I saw firsthand a mist appeared inside of her

2205
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:35,560
room and this thing that looked like a monkey human

2206
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,720
hybrid manifested out of the mist with glowing green eyes

2207
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:41,880
and hovered there before it vanished. So My commentary on

2208
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:43,960
that story is in that wondrous, strange way in which

2209
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,319
the other conducts itself, the gift of the noome like

2210
01:49:46,359 --> 01:49:48,600
being would seem at first to be granting the girl

2211
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:52,239
protection from any assaults of simian things. However, as these

2212
01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:54,239
ape like things have appeared around her in the wake

2213
01:49:54,279 --> 01:49:56,279
of her wrestling match with the Gnome, it seems she

2214
01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:59,560
was given instead apes as her protector. So instead of

2215
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:03,039
protection from apes, she was given protection comma from apes.

2216
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:09,119
Speaker 3: Mmm, oh, my gracious. Yeah.

2217
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: You can never take the stuff at its word. There's

2218
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:13,479
always a twist, my goodness.

2219
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:14,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2220
01:50:14,319 --> 01:50:17,199
Speaker 3: And the idea of you know, you got missed and

2221
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:21,600
water and boulder fields and we talked about you talk

2222
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:25,079
about berries earlier. There's all these these same tropes that

2223
01:50:25,239 --> 01:50:29,000
run through it all. It's just fascinating. Oh yeah, well, Tim,

2224
01:50:29,359 --> 01:50:31,680
it has been such a pleasure to finally have you

2225
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:35,119
on for a proper chat. And before you go, you

2226
01:50:35,239 --> 01:50:37,720
please let everybody know where to find you the show

2227
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:41,359
your books and talk about your artwork. Also, because I

2228
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,760
through this whole time, I didn't even mention that the

2229
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,359
all of your cover work, all of the illustrations inside

2230
01:50:47,399 --> 01:50:47,840
the book is.

2231
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:53,079
Speaker 1: All you Yeah, I Mike Mignola is the guy who

2232
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,800
came up with hell Boy, said that. There's a great

2233
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,279
quote from him, and I'll probably not getting exactly right,

2234
01:50:59,319 --> 01:51:01,680
but essentially said, I just wanted to draw monsters every day,

2235
01:51:02,359 --> 01:51:05,159
and I feel like I've done that for myself. I'm

2236
01:51:05,239 --> 01:51:07,920
not drawing comics, but I'm writing these books and I

2237
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:09,680
get to draw monsters every day, and I'm very happy

2238
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:13,960
about that. So yeah, I do all the artwork, the covers.

2239
01:51:14,319 --> 01:51:16,159
I illustrate books. I wanted this book to have a

2240
01:51:16,199 --> 01:51:18,880
lot more illustrations, but I realized quickly that it was

2241
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:20,600
three hundred and fifty six pages, and if I do

2242
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:23,039
a lot more illustrations, this thing is going to be unwieldy.

2243
01:51:23,319 --> 01:51:25,199
It will break toes if people drop it on them.

2244
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,720
So I decided to you know, but there's a few

2245
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:29,039
in there. I think I have one at the beginning

2246
01:51:29,039 --> 01:51:30,920
and end of each chapter, and then a couple like

2247
01:51:31,359 --> 01:51:37,000
others throughout. You can find me. It's strain familiars dot com.

2248
01:51:37,359 --> 01:51:39,560
There's links to my everything I do there. Of course,

2249
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:41,399
the podcast is there, but you can find links to

2250
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:44,800
everything else I do. To get signed copies of the

2251
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,039
book if you want them, my Etsy shop is Lostgrave

2252
01:51:48,319 --> 01:51:51,680
dot Etsy dot com and you can get signed copies there.

2253
01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:55,560
Speaker 3: Excellent. I will make sure everything is linked in the

2254
01:51:55,640 --> 01:51:58,520
show notes for everybody. But Tim, thanks again, and you

2255
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:00,439
are welcome back any old time.

2256
01:52:01,159 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it's taken us far too long to do this

2257
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:07,359
for people who your listeners might not know. We talk often, Yeah,

2258
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:08,199
just not on the air.

2259
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're probably And even Randy, who he pointed

2260
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:14,560
out a couple of things to bring up with you.

2261
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,159
He goes, you guys are like my two favorites, Like,

2262
01:52:18,279 --> 01:52:20,479
you know what it Finally this is happening.

2263
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, yeah, I mean literally for years

2264
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:25,800
we've talked. Ye never been on the airs for one

2265
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:27,239
reason or another. So yeah, I'm happy to be here

2266
01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:28,359
and I'll come back anytime.

2267
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:29,600
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

2268
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 1: Tim.

2269
01:52:34,119 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 5: Well, I'm so and so.

2270
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,279
Speaker 1: I was given this name by my parents. My business.

2271
01:52:37,319 --> 01:52:38,239
Speaker 2: I was out of college.

2272
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:41,159
Speaker 5: I've done these things and my profession I producing little block.

2273
01:52:42,359 --> 01:52:43,279
Speaker 4: But forget it.

2274
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 5: That's something her story and that's all gone.

2275
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,279
Speaker 4: That's all possible. And I want to see this million.

2276
01:52:53,319 --> 01:52:57,159
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who that is because we don't.

2277
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 5: Except to listening to arecas and consulting our memorials. But

2278
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:08,359
then that's a really and then again leads a speccinating

2279
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:09,479
this question.

2280
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:11,600
Speaker 3: Who are you?

2281
01:53:13,079 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 4: That does not mean.

2282
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 5: We shall see how they play with.

2283
01:53:17,079 --> 01:53:20,239
Speaker 1: The success will buy the cots.

2284
01:53:20,039 --> 01:53:24,359
Speaker 5: To get you to come out of your show and find.

2285
01:53:24,199 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 4: Out it will be very hard. It's past status aspects,

2286
01:54:38,039 --> 01:54:53,840
puss pusssss.

2287
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:19,319
Speaker 5: The people, for example, are quite divided on us. They

2288
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:23,880
will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation that

2289
01:55:24,079 --> 01:55:28,600
after your funeral, bro, you will suddenly become somebody different,

2290
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:34,720
there being somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this

2291
01:55:35,479 --> 01:55:38,359
that if you're sitting here now, are really convinced that

2292
01:55:38,439 --> 01:55:39,079
you're the same.

2293
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,119
Speaker 4: Person the boarding at.

2294
01:55:40,039 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 2: The door half an hour ago, you'll be reincarnate if

2295
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,039
you are liberated as now that you're done.

2296
01:55:48,720 --> 01:55:54,039
Speaker 4: The past hasn't instant, The future doesn't insistence. There is

2297
01:55:54,119 --> 01:55:54,960
only the present.

2298
01:55:55,600 --> 01:56:00,399
Speaker 5: That's the only amenia is the zend Master dogget was

2299
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:09,239
String does not like sounds because there are some and there.

2300
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 3: Is springs.

2301
01:57:09,359 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 4: Puss Puss. Puss Puss.

2302
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 5: Has the same idea in four Days, where he says,

2303
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:08,760
when you settle down in the train to read your newspaper,

2304
01:58:09,279 --> 01:58:13,880
and so you're not the same person while ago and

2305
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:17,840
live in the plan. If you think you are, you

2306
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:21,720
are linking your moments up in the check and this

2307
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:27,560
is what buyds is the wheel look both when you

2308
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:30,199
know that every moment which you are is the only

2309
01:58:30,319 --> 01:58:34,359
moment this counts inos are. The Master will say to somebody,

2310
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,359
I can have a walk across the room and it

2311
01:58:37,439 --> 01:58:38,880
can be back, and he says, where are your foot?

2312
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:42,199
Speaker 4: They've gone?

2313
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:44,319
Speaker 2: So where are you?

2314
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:45,359
Speaker 4: Who are you?

2315
01:58:46,439 --> 01:58:49,039
Speaker 5: When we are asked who we are, we usually give

2316
01:58:49,079 --> 01:58:51,760
a kind of recitation of an Instagram screens insens