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You're regative eating clay look. 23 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:15.239 Hostadi, you are now listening to True Murder, The most 24 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:18.599 Shocking Killers in True Crime History and the authors that 25 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:24.959 have written about them Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK. 26 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.640 Every week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking 27 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.840 and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with 28 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:37.359 your host, journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 29 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:48.959 Good evening. This is your host Dan Zupanski for the 30 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.719 program True Murder, The most Shocking Killers in True crime 31 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:55.120 History and the authors that have written about them. Adam 32 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.920 Leroy Lane was a trucker with a passion for morbid 33 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:01.280 side trips at random trucks along the Inner States in 34 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.879 America's northeastern States, Lane would leave his truck and, under 35 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.280 the cover of darkness, prowl nearby neighborhoods in search of 36 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.560 an unlocked door and a vulnerable woman. His first known 37 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:14.439 victim would be Darlene O Walt, who was murdered on 38 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.840 the back deck of her Pennsylvania home as she sat 39 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.240 talking on the phone with a friend and her husband 40 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:24.400 and sons sleeping inside. Monica Massero would be next, when 41 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.319 living alone in New Jersey duplex. Monica would be the 42 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:30.240 third to die at the hands of this nomadic serial killer. 43 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.680 Lane's reign of terror would end when he crossed home 44 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:39.000 in Chelmsford, Massachusetts. When he entered Shay's room, he wasn't 45 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.960 counting on a teenage girl who was a fighter, a 46 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.159 broken air conditioner preventing a deep sleep, or nearby parents 47 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:49.639 willing to do anything to protect their daughter. The book 48 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:51.479 This Evening that we are featured is caught in the 49 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.879 act a courageous family's fight to save their daughter from 50 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.280 a serial killer. With my special guest Jeanie MacDonough with 51 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:02.000 her book while in the act from Genie McDonough with 52 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:06.039 Paul Leonardo, but speaking with us via telephone. Thank you 53 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.479 for agreeing to this interview, Gennie McDonough. 54 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:11.759 Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure. 55 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.840 Dan, thank you very much. I'm very looking forward to this. 56 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.199 This is a great book from a totally unique perspective. 57 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.039 This is a great book and I'm sure everybody will 58 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.199 enjoy this interview, especially from your unique perspective. Now, first off, 59 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:33.159 there's many ways we can go about explaining this incredible story, 60 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:37.199 but let's first for the people there, let's describe the 61 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:42.199 setting in Lexington, Lexington, Massachusetts, your home. What kind of 62 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.199 community is this, what kind of size of this community 63 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.599 is this community? And where for those people that don't 64 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.840 know where this might be, where does it say in 65 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.520 comparison to say Boston or the nearest bigger city that 66 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:56.479 most people would recognize. Tell us a little bit about 67 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.080 this community such describe the setting for us. See. 68 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:02.560 Well, first, let me just say I grew up in Lexington, Massachusetts. 69 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:07.520 That's where I grew up. But when the crime happened 70 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:11.719 on July thirtieth, two thousand and seven, we lived in Chelmsford, Massachusetts. 71 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:17.959 That's okay, which is probably twenty miles from Lexington, max, 72 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:22.920 maybe even just fifteen miles from Lexington. Chelmsford is on 73 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.720 the New Hampshire border, very close to Nashua and New 74 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:32.600 Hampshire on Rout three. Chelmsford is it's a working class town. 75 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.879 It's a really nice community. You know, not a lot 76 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.720 happens here, I mean as far as crimes go. In fact, 77 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.879 that summer we were voted. I think I think I 78 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:47.000 put it in the book. I think it was like 79 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:53.720 the twenty first best place to live in the United States, ironically, 80 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:58.439 but you know what, my perspective towards that has not 81 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:02.920 changed because crimes of this nature can happen anywhere. Sure, 82 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:07.600 it really doesn't matter where you live. It's a great community. However, 83 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.120 where we live four five is an interstate and it 84 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:16.600 runs behind our house. And you know, we never thought 85 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:21.800 about the danger of living near a highway. Just the 86 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.720 noise was the factor. We just never thought about safety 87 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:25.560 being a factor. 88 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:31.639 Right now, now, tell us about your family before we 89 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.439 get into this story too much. Again, tell us about 90 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:37.319 your family, your husband, Kevin, and your son and your daughter. 91 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:39.759 Tell us what their their ages were at that time, 92 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.120 which is just about four years ago, but it is 93 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.959 four years ago. Tell us about their ages. Tell us 94 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.279 what kind of I thought it was very interesting. Good 95 00:05:47.319 --> 00:05:51.439 aspect of a very interesting book is the You talk 96 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.680 very candidly about the relationship that you did have. So 97 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.959 tell us about the relationship you did have. You told 98 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:59.439 us a little bit about the community. Tell us really 99 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.480 about what your family was like at that time, the 100 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:04.800 relationship you did have with your husband and your kids. 101 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:06.600 Tell us about your family. 102 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:12.560 Well, that summer, Ryan had just graduated from high school. 103 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:17.240 He was eighteen at the time. Shae was fifteen and 104 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.639 a freshman in high school. Actually, no, sorry, sophomore in 105 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:25.000 high school, going into our junior year. It was a 106 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.920 great summer. You know, Ryan had just graduated from high school. 107 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.319 We had just come back from vacation down the Cape 108 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:36.079 Cape Cod and had a wonderful time, and we came 109 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.360 back and we were just getting back into the swing 110 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:41.959 of going to work. And she was going to start 111 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:48.000 swim practices Monday, early, Monday morning. It happened. Our home 112 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:52.720 invasion happened Sunday night, July thirtieth, and Shye was going 113 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.800 to start her swim practices Monday morning, bright and early 114 00:06:55.879 --> 00:07:01.319 at seven am. Our family very tight unit, you know, 115 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:06.040 my husband, my two kids, they're my world. And it 116 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:09.360 had been a great summer up to that point, nothing 117 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.680 out of the usual until July thirtieth, Sunday night. 118 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.600 Now, what was your What was your family like in 119 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.519 terms of history, in terms of you don't describe your 120 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:24.600 your family so much in terms of what had happened 121 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.399 historically to your family. You've been involved in any kind 122 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:29.639 of crimes, There wasn't anybody. Well, you know, I can 123 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:31.519 just say right off the hop you you people were 124 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:36.920 law abiding citizens. But just tell us historically how innocent 125 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:42.000 or how unaccustomed you were to anything of any sort 126 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.920 of nature like this to show the juxtaposition about what 127 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:47.839 what really happens. But tell us about, you know, what 128 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.240 kind of history did you your family have in terms 129 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:52.240 of experience, How experienced were you? 130 00:07:53.519 --> 00:08:00.600 No experience whatsoever? Really, you know, everything that you see 131 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.839 on TV and on the news happens to other people. 132 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.560 It doesn't happen to us. You know, Kevin and I 133 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:11.519 had been together since I was sixteen years old. You know, 134 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.480 we certainly when we were young, we you know, I'm 135 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.680 you know, we were your typical teenagers. But we never 136 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:23.279 had any you know, run ins with the law, so 137 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:28.079 to speak. So living in the community that we lived in, 138 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.799 we never that nothing happens around here really for the 139 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:35.320 most part, seemed like a lot seemed to happen that 140 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:41.840 particular summer, but you know, we'd never had These type 141 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.320 of things always happen to other people. They don't happen 142 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:46.519 to people you know or yourself. 143 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.200 Right now, what type of person was your This is 144 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:51.840 going to be important a little bit later later, and 145 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.679 I'm trying to to sort of unfold the story for 146 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:57.399 people to realize the set, to get the setting, because 147 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.720 you really do a great job of showing this little, 148 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.919 you know, little town and just sweet, great little life 149 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.159 that you've got going on here with your young children 150 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:09.879 and your great husband and your great life. Tell us, 151 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:12.000 just briefly, what kind of guy was your husband? How 152 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:13.960 big is your husband? What kind of guy is he? 153 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:16.399 A jock? He's he a guy that did a little 154 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.480 bit of wrestling, some boxing. What kind of guy is 155 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:18.960 your husband? 156 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:20.600 You know, I think he did a little bit of 157 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.559 wrestling in junior high school. He's very physically fit. He's 158 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:31.159 a utility contractor alignment climbs telephone poles and does high voltage, 159 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:36.879 you know, utility work. He's very physically fit. He's five 160 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.519 nine and one hundred and sixty pounds, and he says 161 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.600 in great shape, and he's he runs, and he's very 162 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:47.960 agile and very he's very quick with his hands, very 163 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:52.320 quick with his hands, and he's very strong and very 164 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:57.960 sharp and intuitive and thankfully all of those things because 165 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.480 if he wasn't. The the way things turned out that night, 166 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.679 there's it just it would have been horribly different. 167 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.679 Now, what was the what was your daughter? 168 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:07.919 Like? 169 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.399 I know everybody says, well, she was a typical teenage daughter. 170 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.320 And my daughter is eighteen years old, so you know, 171 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.279 and I see other children so or young ladies, and 172 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:20.440 certainly there's I don't know what typical means. So tell 173 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:22.480 us what, you know, what was her state of mind 174 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:25.200 at that at that summer? What was she She was 175 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.720 looking forward to some things, but what was she like 176 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.720 as an individual compared to say, some of her friends. 177 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.039 Was she outgoing? Was she a tough kid? Was she 178 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.399 a tomboy? What was she really like? 179 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.679 Young? Young for her age? She was young for her grade. 180 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.720 Most of the other kids in her grade were close 181 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:45.600 almost a year older than she was. 182 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:47.519 Right, She. 183 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:54.799 Is very bubbly, great personality. Everyone liked her, and she 184 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.799 just she's very warm hearted. She takes after her grandmother 185 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:02.720 in that respect, and are just a sweet, sweet girl. 186 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:09.159 But very young for fifteen, right, And that came into play, honestly, 187 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:12.360 because I don't think that she had any hesitation in 188 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:13.879 her mind that we were going to come in and 189 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:17.360 help her that night. Thankfully we did, but I know that, 190 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.919 you know, being the age that she was, and she's 191 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.200 definitely young for her age, I think that she just 192 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.879 thought right off the bat at fifteen years old, well 193 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:30.519 it's okay because my parents are going to come in 194 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.360 and everything's going to be okay. Thankfully we did, but 195 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.600 you know that doesn't that's not always the scenario. 196 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.279 Nice, So you had a very close relationship with your 197 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:43.440 children despite teenage years. We'll say that much, because that's 198 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.840 what you get from the from the book. Definitely before 199 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.120 I get into that day in question, I wanted to 200 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:53.960 because I wanted to let you know, people know as well, 201 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.960 because this wouldn't have happened without a you know, I 202 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.879 hate to use this word, but it's not such a 203 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:01.600 derogatory word. That's what I was trying to say that 204 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.039 I guess you people were a little bit naive, as 205 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.360 anybody is first time victim. You're never going to be 206 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.879 that naive again, you know, unfortunately. And and so what 207 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:16.600 I'm what I'm trying to describe to is that I 208 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.840 wanted to go back to the other victims because they 209 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.279 do pre date everything. And of course you knew nothing 210 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.759 at that time about any other victims, even though they 211 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:30.519 weren't that far away in terms of proximity. I know, 212 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.919 I know they're in other states. So let's just for 213 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:35.720 the benefit of our audience not get into the day 214 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.960 in question quite yet. But let's get back to what 215 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.639 you did find out, and we'll just have a little 216 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:47.080 different order here about a couple people, Monica Masso and 217 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:51.440 Darlena Walt, and start in the in the order that this, 218 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:54.960 of course everyone knows Adam Lee ory Lane is responsible. 219 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:59.200 But tell us about the murders of these people by 220 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:01.799 Adam Lee roy Lane, and then we'll get to the 221 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:06.120 faithful day in July thirtieth when your whole life changed forever. 222 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:10.159 Well, we certainly, as you were saying, Dan, we didn't 223 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:15.720 find out about these other murders until after our home invasion, 224 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:17.639 and it was it was three and a half weeks 225 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:23.360 after our encounter that we learned about Monica Massara. And 226 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.600 she was not the first victim. She was the second victim. 227 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.120 Darlene Ewell was the first victim. But Monica was killed 228 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:34.240 the night before he came to our house, twenty two 229 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:35.679 hours before he came to our house. 230 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.440 Well, tell us about Darlene and Walt first, and then 231 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:40.360 tell us about Monica Masseri. Please. 232 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:46.120 Darlene Ewalt was killed on July thirteenth. Darlene Ewalt was 233 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.360 a mother, beautiful young mother, forty two years old, had 234 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:55.320 two kids. Actually, my children's ages now nineteen and twenty two. 235 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:01.559 She was sitting on her back patio talking on a 236 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.320 cordless phone to a very close friend who happened to 237 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:08.879 be a man, the husband of another friend of hers, 238 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.279 and they were planning a vacation. It was a cruise 239 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:16.120 that they were going to go on, and this couple 240 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:19.879 they were best friends with Darlene and Todd Ewalt. They 241 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.639 were going on this cruise with their two sons. But 242 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:26.440 their two sons had gotten into trouble and so the parents, 243 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.039 Chet and Pat had said, Okay, well you guys are 244 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:33.360 not going to go, and so we're going to take 245 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.600 someone else. And they had approached Todd and Darlene about 246 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.919 going on this trip with them in their son's places. 247 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:48.200 Todd Ewalt, Darlene's husband, is a youth football coach and 248 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:50.279 it would have been right in the middle of his 249 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.080 coaching season, his football season, so he didn't feel like 250 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:57.200 he could take the time and go, but he told 251 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:59.679 his wife, Darlene, feel free to go and take one 252 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.360 of your girlfriends instead. So that was the plan. And 253 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:06.399 she was sitting on her back patio that night talking 254 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:10.679 to chat and working out the logistics of the trip. 255 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:12.759 And who she was going to take and what they 256 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:15.399 were going to need, and just you know, all the logistics, 257 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.879 and it was a long conversation. She was out there 258 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:23.480 from ten until two in the morning, and she was 259 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:27.120 on our back patio. It was a very hot night, 260 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.840 and Todd was inside sleeping. His son was inside sleeping 261 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.840 in the basement. Todd was in the bedroom upstairs, right 262 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:37.919 over the patio where Darlene was sitting. He had gone 263 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.799 out around ten at night, I think he said to 264 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.360 say good night, said good night. She said I'd be 265 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:44.960 up in a little while and he said, yeah, okay. 266 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:49.320 And I believe it was around two o'clock in the morning, 267 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:55.600 Adam Leroy Lane, this long haul trucker stepped out of 268 00:15:55.679 --> 00:16:00.600 the woods and sliced her throat and left you're on 269 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:07.639 the back patio to die, which was fairly quickly because 270 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.679 I mean he basically sliced her throat. So that was 271 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:13.240 the first victim that we learned about. 272 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:15.240 And she was still on the line with her friend 273 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:16.960 as well, Yes, wasn't she? 274 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:17.759 Yes? 275 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.279 And the thing is what so police were immediately came 276 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.960 to the scene. And this is a very very interesting 277 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:27.320 aspect of your book. And we'll talk about what happens now, 278 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.320 and I'll reserve it later for how interesting it is 279 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.399 the later the speech that you have and then it 280 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.039 was approved by police. You know the speech I'm talking about. 281 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.480 But anyway, we'll talk about that later. But let's talk 282 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.120 about Todd e Walt because he's a very very interesting 283 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.720 character in this story for his reaction and for the 284 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.519 ordeal that he went through, which was twice as bad 285 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.840 as most people will go through. Because so tell us. 286 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.159 So there's the phone call and then the police are called. 287 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.919 So what happens after police come to the scene, What happens? 288 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.720 How does that progress? How do they find? Do they 289 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.880 find Adam Leroy Lane? What happened? 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Okay, so yeah, instead of saying, 325 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.519 well then, well you know, we'll check into it right away. 326 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.240 But I guess you know this is this is It 327 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:51.839 was a very rural area and I don't know how 328 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.319 things are done there. Thankfully they weren't done that way 329 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:59.160 here in Chelmsbard. So they headed over and they were 330 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.119 the first ones to come across Darlene on her patio, 331 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.920 and it was a horrifying scene for them, you know, 332 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.480 their best friend, and they come upon her body lifeless, 333 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.200 and Todd is inside sleeping. He has no idea what's 334 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:20.400 going on. So the police come and I believe Chet 335 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:26.319 and his wife Pat left the premises, probably headed to 336 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:28.759 the police station or home. I'm not exactly sure what 337 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:33.640 they did. I'm sure they were traumatized beyond belief. And 338 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:41.039 the police barged into Todd's home and routed him from 339 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:44.160 a sound sleep. He was a sound asleep upstairs in 340 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:46.839 his bedroom and they had their guns drawn in the 341 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:50.799 flashlights on him, and he had no idea what he 342 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.640 was woken from a sound sleep. I think he thought 343 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.240 it was his son playing a prank. But then when 344 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.960 he realized it was the police. It was It was 345 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:06.559 just a horrible scenario for him, and he didn't find 346 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:08.640 out about his wife's death for quite some. 347 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:13.880 Time, and he was what we're talking about to this 348 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:17.079 ordeal that begins for him obviously finds out that he 349 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.559 slept through the murder of his wife. But this is 350 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:22.640 just the beginning of the ordeal because as most police 351 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.599 will say, that their first suspect becomes the husband if 352 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.480 they can't find any evidence otherwise. And in this particular case, 353 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:34.039 they were focusing on Todd Ewalt right. 354 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.440 Because yeah, they were because you know what they found 355 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:40.000 out early on that Darling was on her back patio 356 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.160 talking to another man on the phone, and so their 357 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:47.440 minds automatically went to the thought that, oh, okay, you 358 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.480 know she's talking to another man on the phone. Todd 359 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:54.920 went into a jealous rage. You know, whatever scenarios they 360 00:20:55.000 --> 00:21:00.759 were building in their head. I mean, I understand, I 361 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:09.160 understand statistics, and I understand, but it's just the man's 362 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:13.559 woken from a sound sleep. He's obviously a sound sleep. 363 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:17.480 There's not you know, there's no evidence to point to 364 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:21.279 him whatsoever. There's no blood anywhere inside it. I don't know. 365 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:25.839 But at the same time, didn't you say, or least 366 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.880 I think you actually stated in the book that what 367 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:33.559 police thought was that the crime was seemed to be motiveless, 368 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:36.440 and so since it didn't have any motive, why anyone 369 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:41.000 would come over a fence and kill someone in the 370 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.759 backyard and then run away without robbing the person of 371 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.599 anything and had no sexual component? 372 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:47.480 Right? 373 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:53.160 No, I know that's not typically the you know, they 374 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:57.200 they tend to law enforcement tends to look at family 375 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:01.480 members and acquaintances. No one in no one would expect 376 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:06.160 that someone would come out of the woods. Yeah, it's 377 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.000 just it's I mean, who would expect No one would 378 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:09.480 expect it. 379 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:16.720 I expect it. So, so Todd e Walt was undergoing 380 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:21.200 his double trauma of a murdered wife and then and 381 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:25.319 then the police and then uh shortly after, not too 382 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:28.319 long after, Monica Massaro is attacked. So tell us about 383 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:29.839 the attack of Monica Masso. 384 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:36.960 Well, in between Monica Massarro was Patricia Brooks and she survived, 385 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:44.240 And she was July seventeenth, and she survived. 386 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:45.680 How was she attacked? 387 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:49.279 She same way. He walked into the into her house. 388 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:54.680 She was on the couch sleeping, and he sliced her 389 00:22:54.799 --> 00:23:00.799 throat and actually sliced her throat and her shoul right 390 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:06.480 across her shoulder blade. Somehow she survived, she saw him, 391 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.599 she survived. I think she played. I would tend to 392 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.000 say that she pretended she was dead. 393 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:12.880 Yeah, she did. 394 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:14.759 I don't know, because I couldn't. I couldn't get her 395 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:18.279 to speak to me. She's not spoken to anyone at all. 396 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:23.480 So from new I took what I learned from news accounts, 397 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:30.440 and she survived and was able to identify him. He 398 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.599 was not wearing a mask at the time that he 399 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:35.759 attacked her, so she was able to identify him, but 400 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:36.759 it wasn't until later. 401 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:40.880