1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,919 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Today, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,880 the jury is deliberating the fate of Glaine Maxwell. In 3 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:14,119 the first full session of deliberations yesterday they got handed 4 00:00:14,119 --> 00:00:16,839 the case with oh, I don't know, an hour or 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,800 so left in the court day, so they only got 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,480 to sink their teeth into just a little portion of it. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,640 Now today is the full Monty right, They'll be diving 8 00:00:26,719 --> 00:00:30,239 in one hundred percent today going through all of the exhibits, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,079 the evidence, and trying to come to a conclusion on 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,840 the fate of Galine Maxwell. Now, I'm of the opinion 11 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:43,600 that enough has been shown as far as evidence, as 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,159 far as testimony, that there should be a conviction coming here. 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,960 And I believe that there has been enough evidence provided 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:59,119 by the testimony alone of the survivors to get a conviction. 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Is that going to happen? I don't know, right, I 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,959 have no idea, I have no faith in the justice system. 17 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:08,280 So I'm not gonna sit here and say, oh, yeah, 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,599 without a doubt they'll definitely be a conviction. I don't know, 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,840 should there be absolutely has there been enough evidence provided? 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,400 In my opinion one hundred percent, But we'll have to 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,040 see what the jury thinks. And that's the point what 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,040 that we're at right now, Right all of the speculation, 23 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:29,840 all of the talk, all of the innuendo, it all 24 00:01:29,879 --> 00:01:34,439 comes down to this what the jury believes and how 25 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:39,519 much of it they believe. Hopefully, when all is said 26 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:42,560 and done, the jury comes out of this the jurors room, 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,840 and they hand the judge a conviction on all counts, 28 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:52,239 because if there's any shred of justice left in this 29 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:57,040 goofy ass simulation that we're living in, Glen Maxwell will 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:04,719 go to prison. Now, maybe I'm just jaded, but I'm 31 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,240 certainly prepared for her to walk as well. Now do 32 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:11,159 I think that's going to happen? I don't. I think 33 00:02:11,199 --> 00:02:15,840 that she's going to be convicted, But I'm not naive 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,560 enough to sit here and be one hundred percent certain, 35 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,719 Not when you're dealing with our justice system, not when 36 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:27,000 you're dealing with the American justice system, because we all 37 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:29,319 know it's set up for people like Alane Maxwell to 38 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,879 prosper and to get off on crimes, whereas people like 39 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,639 you and I and people like Khalif Browder. Yeah, not 40 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:45,120 so much. So We're gonna see very soon what Glene 41 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:51,639 Maxwell's fate will be and hopefully she's convicted, and hopefully 42 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,919 it sends a message to others like her that this 43 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,039 sort of thing is not going to be tolerated in 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,479 the future. Now, most of us, when it comes to 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,360 high brow society, when it comes to people like Maxwell 46 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:07,120 or our politicians, we turn our head the other way 47 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:10,759 when they're stealing or they're involved in some kind of thievery. 48 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,319 We expect that from our politicians. This is a step 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,639 too far. You're running around hanging out with people like 50 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:26,800 Epstein and Maxwell, giving them cover, giving them political help. 51 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:32,280 That's just unacceptable. And sending Maxwell to prison sends a 52 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:35,360 little bit of a message at least that people like 53 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:40,400 this will no longer be tolerated. So let's take a 54 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:44,199 look at this article from CNN this morning and let's 55 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:47,360 see what they have to say about the deliberations in 56 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:52,840 the Glane Maxwell trial. Headline Jerry set to resume deliberations 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,840 in Gleanne Maxwell's sex trafficking trial, authors Lauren de Valley 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,000 and Eric Levinson after deliberating for less than an hour Monday, 59 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,599 Jurors in Gallaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial are set to 60 00:04:06,639 --> 00:04:10,199 begin their first full day of deliberations Tuesday in federal 61 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,800 court in New York, Maxwell fifty nine has pleaded not 62 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,439 guilty to six federal counts, including sex trafficking of a minor, 63 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:21,120 enticing a miner to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, 64 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,439 transporting a miner with the intent to engage in criminal 65 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:29,720 sexual activity, and three related counts of conspiracy. If convicted 66 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,560 on all six counts, she faces up to seventy years 67 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,480 in prison. Now, remember, after this trial, she's also going 68 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,560 to have to stand trial for perjury charges as well. 69 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,639 The federal government said that she lied during a deposition, 70 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,079 and instead of packaging all of that in this one case, 71 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:52,879 they decided to have two separate trials. So even if 72 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:58,560 Maxwell skates on these charges, she still has those perjury 73 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,639 charges that she's going to have to answer for. The 74 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,160 Liberations cap a three week trial highlighted by testimony from 75 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,040 four women who alleged Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused them, and 76 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,839 that Maxwell, his former girlfriend, that co conspirator, general all 77 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:19,439 around scuzbag and longtime associate, facilitated and sometimes participated in 78 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:23,399 that abuse. The sexual abuse allegedly occurred when the women 79 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,879 were younger than eighteen and their accusation stretched from nineteen 80 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:30,720 ninety four to two thousand and four. And now, remember 81 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:34,079 this is just the very small scope of this one 82 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,079 specific run that they were on, if you will, Glenn 83 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,879 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were engaged in a lot more 84 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:46,560 than just what's being brought to the table here. And 85 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:50,279 this is the point that the survivors themselves have been 86 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,839 trying to make for a very long time. There was 87 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,160 so much more going on than just the little time 88 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:04,680 frame that the investigators are looking into, that it has 89 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:06,839 to be brought up every time we talk about it, 90 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,319 because there's so much left on the table, and there's 91 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,120 so many loose ends, and there are so many more 92 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:21,480 questions that need to be answered. Epstein, the elusive financier 93 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:24,800 pedophile who pleaded guilty in two thousand and eight the 94 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,720 state prostitution charges, was indicted on federal sex trafficking charges 95 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,519 in July twenty nineteen, but died by suicide in prison 96 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,839 a month later. Maxwell was arrested in twenty twenty and 97 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:40,199 has been held behind bars under close watch since now. 98 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,959 Maxwell's team will have you believe that she's been treated 99 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,199 like somebody in the eleventh century who was in the 100 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,000 Tower of London, when in reality, Maxwell's being treated no 101 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,240 different than any other high profile convict or person in 102 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,439 custody in the federal system. When you're you're a high 103 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,600 profile target like Alaine Maxwell, you're going to be in 104 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,560 solitary confinement. What do you think she's gonna be in 105 00:07:07,079 --> 00:07:09,920 a GP general population? They're just going to release her 106 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:13,399 onto the yard. First of all, she's high profile, she's rich. 107 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:17,040 She's going to be exploited and extorted if she's put 108 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,639 on the yard. Second, she's accused of crimes against children, 109 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:25,720 the absolute worst crimes you can possibly be charged with 110 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,959 in prison. The second she hits the yard, she's going 111 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:34,600 to be greenlit. That means it's open season on Glainne Maxwell. 112 00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:39,720 That's how this works. So the whole entire narrative that 113 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,680 her team was trying to put forward of how this 114 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,720 is just horrible punishment and Glainne Maxwell stuck in solitary confinement, Well, 115 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,079 it's for her own good. Prison's no place for people 116 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,839 like Gallainne Maxwell. She was not built for that life, 117 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:00,639 and especially being put on the yard with the crimes 118 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,480 that she has hanging over her head, It's not going 119 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:06,399 to be looked on well by the other women, especially 120 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:13,120 in general population. At trial, Jane testified that Maxwell organized 121 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,519 sexual massages with Epstein and sometimes joined in the abuse. 122 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:23,319 Kate testified Maxwell set up those sexual massages. Carolyn testified 123 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,240 Maxwell touched her breast hips and button told her when 124 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:28,920 she was fourteen she had a great body for Epstein 125 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,200 and his friends. Finally, Annie Farmer testified she was sixteen 126 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,879 when Maxwell massaged her naked chest at Epstein's New Mexico 127 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,159 ranch in nineteen ninety six. So it shows you the 128 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:43,639 pattern here, right, what Maxwell was up to, what she 129 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,159 was doing, And this is what the Jerry's going to 130 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,559 be looking at this morning. They're going to be looking 131 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,960 at all of these things, all of the evidence that's 132 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,240 been put forward, and they're going to be asking themselves 133 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,440 one question, did Maxwell do this? Has the profile been 134 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,120 built well to prove to the jury that this was 135 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:07,000 something that not only was Maxwell capable of, but that 136 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:11,879 she was engaging in, And in my opinion, I think 137 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:14,360 that the case has been made. Now. Look, I'll be 138 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,000 the first one to tell you that I'm not somebody 139 00:09:19,039 --> 00:09:21,879 who is neutral when it comes to this case. I 140 00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:25,840 have my own biases for sure. And I'm completely sold 141 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:28,519 on the fact that Maxwell and Epstein and all of 142 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:31,879 them did all of this stuff. And that's for one 143 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:34,919 simple reason, because I've followed the evidence to get me here, 144 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,720 and still up until this point, up until this very moment, 145 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,799 I have not seen anything from Galanne, Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, 146 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,279 Prince Andrew, or any of the rest of them that 147 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,159 would make me believe that their stories are true and 148 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:54,759 the survivor stories are lies. And I think that the 149 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,559 jury is going to come to that same conclusion. When 150 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,960 you look at all of the evidence that's been provided, 151 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,480 and you look at everything that has occurred thus far, 152 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,480 it's very, very very hard, at least in my opinion, 153 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,360 to come to any other destination besides one that includes 154 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:18,279 a guilty verdict. The three conspiracy charges relate to allegations 155 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,960 from all four accusers, though testimony from Kate and Farmer 156 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,440 cannot be used on their own. The enticing and transporting 157 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,639 counts relate to testimony from Jane, while the child sex 158 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,200 trafficking charge, the most serious of the charges, relates to 159 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:35,759 Carolyn's testimony. And again, you really think that it was 160 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,799 only these girls, only these four. We know that people 161 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:43,399 like this are wired wrong, right, they're lemons. They came 162 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,799 off the line fucked up, and there's no fixing people 163 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,759 like Glene Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein. This is the kind 164 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:52,840 of shit that they were into. And if they were 165 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,440 caught for these four girls, you know that you can 166 00:10:57,159 --> 00:10:59,559 times it by about ten or twenty or one hundred, 167 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,759 and that's the real number. We'd have to be real 168 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,399 naive if we thought that there were only four girls 169 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:12,559 that were abused by Jeffrey Epstein and Golayn Maxwell. Now, 170 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,320 obviously the scope of the investigation limits what they can 171 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,679 talk about, but that doesn't limit what we can talk 172 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,519 about because guess what, We've pulled the curtain back already 173 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,279 and we've taken a deep, dark look into the room 174 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,240 and there's no going back. Now we've all seen what's 175 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,480 in there. We've all seen the way the so called 176 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,200 elites think about us and how they believe that we're 177 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,840 nothing more than pieces on a game board. Look at 178 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,559 the way they treat your children. How many endless wars 179 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,879 do we have to be involved in? How many wasted 180 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:59,120 lives by the elite. And it's not just the countless 181 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:02,600 wars or any of the other stuff. It's situations such 182 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:08,399 as this, over and over and over again, these people 183 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,240 continue to keep their boot on the throat of the 184 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:18,759 rest of us. In its closing argument, the prosecution said 185 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:24,200 Maxwell's close relationship with Epstein and and his manipulation were 186 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:27,919 key to international abuse scheme at his properties in New York, Florida, 187 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,720 New Mexico, and the US Virgin Islands. One hundred percent, 188 00:12:32,279 --> 00:12:36,399 Maxwell's close relationship with Epstein opened the door for him 189 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,559 to climb the social ladder. And it's one hundred percent 190 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:47,799 not even disputable that that's what was happening. Glane Maxwell 191 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,840 was Glaine of the gallow wasn't she. She was invited 192 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,080 to every event, every single one of these highbrow events. 193 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,639 You can guarantee that Gallaine Maxwell would be making an appearance. 194 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,759 And they all knew. All of these people knew that 195 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,559 Jeffrey Epstein was a sick bastard. They might act like 196 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,559 they didn't know, but they did. And then you look 197 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,120 at all of the scumbags from the media that were 198 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,879 hanging out at Epstein's. You know, the Charlie Roses of 199 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,600 the world, the Mike Wallaces of the world, the Katie 200 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,759 Kirkx of the world, the George stepanopolises of the world, 201 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,519 and then you start to get a clear picture of 202 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:26,799 why the legacy media never wanted to expose Epstein or 203 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:32,159 Geland Maxwell for the bullshit they were involved in. A 204 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,000 single middle aged man who invites a teenage girl to 205 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,720 visit his ranch, to come to his house to fly 206 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:42,399 to New York is creepy prosecutor Alison motold jurors. But 207 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,600 when that man is accompanied by a posh, smiling, respectable, 208 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,279 age appropriate woman, that's when everything starts to see him 209 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,159 legitimate and it's true. Imagine being Annie's mom. You call 210 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,200 to make sure that there's a proper chaperone, and you know, 211 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,799 you find out it's Maxwell. You say to yourself, oh shit, 212 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,879 this posh lady from England. There's no way that anything 213 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:04,759 untowards is gonna happen to my kid. They're in safe hands. 214 00:14:06,159 --> 00:14:08,360 And one thing that I have learned throughout this whole 215 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,480 entire ordeal is the more money you have, the more 216 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:15,120 fucked up you seem to be. I used to think that, 217 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,679 you know, a lot of these billionaires are just normal folks, right, 218 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:20,240 That's not the case. Once you start making this kind 219 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,440 of money, it's like your whole entire brain rewires and 220 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,519 you become a sick bastard. I honestly don't know one 221 00:14:27,559 --> 00:14:30,200 single billionaire where I could say, ah, yeah, this is 222 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,360 a good person, somebody who really cares about the rest 223 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:39,559 of us. And that's pretty sad. And when that woman 224 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:42,759 encourages those girls to massage that man, when she acts 225 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:45,600 like it's totally normal for the man to touch those girls, 226 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,279 it lures them into the trap. It allows the man 227 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,759 to silence the alarm bells. And that's what it was 228 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:55,440 all about, right, normalizing this. Let's normalize this behavior so 229 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:59,720 Glene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and Sarah Kelln Vickers and 230 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:02,960 Lesley Groff and Adriana Ross, so it could be easier 231 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,480 for them. And when you have all these other girls 232 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:09,759 around who are already engaging in this behavior because they've 233 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:13,159 already been groomed, these new girls see it and they're like, oh, well, 234 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,360 this is the way it is. This is how high 235 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:17,399 society acts. I guess I got to get in where 236 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:23,919 I fit in. The defense focused its case on lengthy 237 00:15:23,919 --> 00:15:27,720 cross examinations of the four accusers and attacked their motivations 238 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,639 and memories of the alleged incidents. Maxwell declined to testify 239 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:35,480 in her own defense. In the defense's closing argument, attorney 240 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:39,519 Laura Meninger sought to distance Maxwell from Epstein and suggested 241 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:43,279 he had manipulated her as well. She said the prosecution's 242 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,639 cases based on speculation and distracting photos of Maxwell with Epstein, 243 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,919 including several that show her giving him a foot massage. 244 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:55,519 Again with the foot massage, these people are, they're creepy. 245 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:59,159 And I know I brought it up one other time, 246 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,120 but remember Virginia has already come out and said that 247 00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:05,600 she had to give Matt Groenig, the creator of The Simpsons, 248 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,879 a foot massage on Epstein's plane, and she said his 249 00:16:09,919 --> 00:16:14,120 feet were crusty and gross as hell. So it fits 250 00:16:14,159 --> 00:16:16,360 the pattern, right. I bring that up because it fits 251 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:19,840 the pattern. It corroborates what we're seeing here. Epstein obviously 252 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:27,679 had a proclivity for people touching his feet. She's being 253 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:30,360 tried here for being with Jeffrey Epstein, and maybe that 254 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,440 was the biggest mistake of her life, but it was 255 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,080 not a crime. Manager told the Jerry, you know, that's 256 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:40,440 like John Gotti saying, Ay, you know what, my biggest 257 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,080 mistake I've ever had was hanging out with you know, 258 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:47,639 Sammy the Bull. But his crimes aren't mine. Yes they are. 259 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:49,799 You guys were both in on them. You were sitting down, 260 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,559 you plan them together. They're all yours, just like Maxwell 261 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:55,919 and Epstein. What do you think Epstein was making these 262 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,080 decisions in a vacuum, him and Maxwell. Him and Maxwell 263 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:04,079 were working hand in hand and Menager also went through 264 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:07,440 the testimony of each accuser and highlighted inconsistencies in their 265 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,400 timelines and their previous interviews with law enforcement, in which 266 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,000 two of the victims, Carolyn and Jane, did not mention Maxwell. 267 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,359 The attorney suggested they misremembered what happened and said they 268 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:22,759 may have changed their stories for money, and we know 269 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:27,000 that's not the case, and the misremembering. Basically, what Menager 270 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:29,000 is doing is calling them liars, trying to say it 271 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:32,279 in a nice way. Though nobody lied here. Menager, Okay, 272 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:38,359 nobody misremembered. Your client is guilty. Why would you go 273 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,039 decades without mentioning Glenne Maxwell and suddenly when you have 274 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,720 your personal injury lawyer, you add her to the mix. 275 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:48,079 Manager said, breaking news. Anyone who took money from the 276 00:17:48,079 --> 00:17:51,240 compensation fund can't get money from Maxwell anyway, So that 277 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:55,599 whole argument is bull I don't even understand how she's 278 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,680 trying to make this argument. Has menager just showed up 279 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,319 to this case? Are you not paying attention to what's 280 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:06,440 going on here? Prosecutor Maureen Comi rejected those arguments in 281 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,200 a rebuttal that alluded to the broader societal and economic 282 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,880 forces at play in this case. The defendant never thought 283 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,640 that those teenage girls would have the strength to report 284 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,920 what happened. In her eyes, they were just trashed beneath her. 285 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,680 She said, those girls would never stand up to a 286 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,839 power couple like Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell, and if 287 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,200 they did, who would believe them? And that really gets 288 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,359 to it, right, that gets to the heart of it. 289 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:34,599 They chose these girls because they were easy prey, and 290 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,680 they knew that nobody would believe them if they came 291 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:42,119 out and told their story. And those are just the facts, folks. 292 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,119 Now it's up to the jury because all of the talk, 293 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:51,880 all of the nonsense, that's over and done with. It 294 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,039 is now go time, and the fate of Gleann Maxwell 295 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,599 and justice itself is in the hands of that Jerry 296 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:08,319 and the rest of us. Well, we wait. All right, folks, 297 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,799 that's gonna do it for me this morning. Obviously, I'll 298 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:13,400 be back tonight with our evening update and I'll have 299 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,079 some more context episodes to upload as well. So until then, 300 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:21,440 I hope all of you have a great day. If 301 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,079 you'd like to contact me, you can do that at 302 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,279 Bobby Kapouchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo bbu y 303 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,279 c A p U c c I at ProtonMail dot com. 304 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,000 You can also find me on Twitter at bo bbuy 305 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,039 underscore c A p U c c I. The link 306 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:42,200 that we discussed can be found in the description box. 307 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,559 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 308 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:52,599 As day number two of jur deliberation in the Glen 309 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,079 Maxwell trial comes to a close, we still do not 310 00:19:56,319 --> 00:20:01,400 have a verdict. So as we wait for that verdict, 311 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,799 why don't we talk about what went on today? Now? 312 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:08,480 I have two articles to share with you. The first 313 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:14,039 one is from the AP headline Ghlaine Maxwell Trial Jerry 314 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:19,839 finishes first day of deliberations. This article was authored by 315 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,319 Tom Hayes of the Associated Press. The jury deliberating at 316 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:29,160 Gahline Maxwell's trial finished its first full day of deliberations 317 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,720 Tuesday without reaching a verdict, having asked to review the 318 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:36,000 testimony of three of four women who said that they 319 00:20:36,039 --> 00:20:39,720 were teens when the British socialite co conspirator General all 320 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:46,680 Around scusbag aided financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein in sexually abusing them. 321 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:55,480 So there were different transcripts from the testimony of these survivors, 322 00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:59,839 and the jury wanted to get this testimony and wanted 323 00:20:59,839 --> 00:21:03,359 to to look at it a little bit more and 324 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,119 you know, use it for rendering their decision. The Manhattan 325 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,599 Federal Court jury requested the transcripts less than an hour 326 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,400 after resuming deliberations in a large room where they could 327 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,039 spread out for coronavirus safety reasons. At day's end, US 328 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:24,400 District Judge Alison J. Nathan reminded them to keep their 329 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,240 masks on except while leading. So. I guess with the 330 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,279 spread of omicron there is more of an emphasis on 331 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,119 mask regulations and stuff in New York. Here in Las Vegas, 332 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,319 we've had a mask mandate for the whole entire thing 333 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:45,000 pretty much. So whenever I see people not having you know, 334 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,200 mandates or whatever, I'm like, man, must be nice. But 335 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,319 I guess with the way Omicron's raging or is going 336 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,400 to be raging. There's more of an emphasis on that 337 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,839 right now, and I guess Judge Nathan was making sure 338 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,960 that people were aware of that. The jury had begun 339 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,599 deliberating late Monday, working less than an hour before going 340 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,799 home after closing arguments consumed most of the day. Now, 341 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:16,519 the next article I'm going to share with you directly 342 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,519 after this one is going to provide more context about 343 00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:24,720 the transcripts and what they could mean as far as 344 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,759 why the jury would be asking for them. At this point, 345 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,160 the jury is deciding whether Maxwell fifty nine assisted her 346 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,319 former financier pedophile boyfriend co conspirator and the sexual abuse 347 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,799 of teenage girls from nineteen ninety four to two thousand 348 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,599 and four. Prosecutors say she recruited and groomed the girls, 349 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,599 making them feel that sexualized massages of Epstein were normal behavior. 350 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:54,559 And this has been discussed at length here on the podcast. 351 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,240 That's exactly what was going on. The normalization of it 352 00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:03,759 all is for these crimes to be committed, for somebody 353 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,559 like Epstein to carry these crimes out, this behavior has 354 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:14,359 to be normalized amongst his cohorts. Maxwell's lawyers say the 355 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,640 government has used her as a scapegoat after Epstein killed 356 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,359 himself in twenty nineteen as he awaited his own sex 357 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:27,599 trafficking trial. Allegedly, the transcripts requested by the jury pertained 358 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:31,039 to the testimony of two women who testified anonymously as 359 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,119 Jane and Carolyn, along with the testimony of Annie Farmer, 360 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:41,000 who has spoken publicly about her experiences with Maxwell and Epstein. Farmer, 361 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,920 a forty two year old psychologist, was the only one 362 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,720 of four accusers who used her full real name on 363 00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:50,279 the stand. She testified that Epstein held her hand and 364 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:53,359 touched her inappropriately at movies in New York and New Mexico, 365 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,440 and that Maxwell touched her breast during a massage in 366 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:00,319 New Mexico when she was sixteen. And again, if you 367 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:05,799 look at it just in different frames, right, one frame 368 00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,640 at a time, you say to yourself, all right, well, 369 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,559 you know New Mexico, what's the big deal. But when 370 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:15,400 you look at the overall picture, there was a reason 371 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:19,480 that Jeffrey Epstein chose New Mexico. There's a reason that 372 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:23,960 Epstein was abusing these girls in New Mexico. And there 373 00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:27,160 is a reason that Glenn Maxwell was there waiting for 374 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,759 Annie in New Mexico, and that was to normalize it 375 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,160 and to make the whole entire situation seem like it 376 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,359 was legit. She also said Epstein climbed into bed with 377 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,319 her and pressed himself against her before she fled to 378 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,319 a bathroom until he left her room. Now again, think 379 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,920 about this little sixteen year old girl, and old egg 380 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:54,720 dick himself comes and presses himself up against you, completely unwanted, certainly, 381 00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:57,799 not something that's been solicited. Certainly, not something that I'm 382 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,880 sure Annie was sitting around dreaming about. And she's in 383 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,440 this desolate ass ranch in the middle of nowhere in Stanley, 384 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:14,240 New Mexico, with Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell. So the 385 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,200 only recourse is, well, I have to go hide in 386 00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:18,880 the bathroom. Think about what must have been going on 387 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,319 in this poor girl's mind. Her mother testified that Epstein 388 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,880 told her that Farmer's trip to New Mexico would be 389 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,759 with a group of up to twenty five academically gifted 390 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:34,400 high school students chaperoned by Maxwell, his wife. In reality, 391 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,799 though Farmer was the only student there and Epstein and 392 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,720 Maxwell were never married. Absolutely fact, Look, if you tell 393 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,759 someone's parents that Hey, this is going to be chaperoned, 394 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,680 here's the person that's going to be chaperoning it. There's 395 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,000 going to be twenty five other academically gifted students there. 396 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:56,200 Parents want to hear that their children are academically gifted, right, 397 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,240 and especially if it's going to give their child an 398 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:05,480 advantage academically to achieve more. Isn't that the goal? You know, 399 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:09,599 putting money away for your child's college college scholarships, I 400 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:14,319 mean college education. That's the whole point of being a parent. 401 00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:19,319 So if you can help your child achieve those goals 402 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,160 by opening a few doors for them, hell, every parent 403 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,119 wants to do that. But imagine having these scoundrels, these 404 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:33,160 disgusting excuses for human beings, exploit that and take advantage 405 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:39,799 of a young girl like Annie. Jane said she was 406 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:42,960 fourteen when she met Maxwell and Epstein and allege that 407 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:47,400 the pair fondled her together. Carolyn testified about what prosecutors 408 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,079 called a pyramid of abuse encouraged by Maxwell, in which 409 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,640 girls would recruit would recruit underage victims for Epstein to abuse. 410 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,839 Maxwell has been held without bail since her July twenty twenty. 411 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:05,759 Now that sets the tone right, the picture for what 412 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,359 went down today and what was going on with the jurors, 413 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,559 and usually that's all you're going to get, just a little, 414 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:17,359 you know, scratch on the surface. But thankfully Adam Klassfeld 415 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,480 over here at lawncrime dot com goes into it a 416 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,880 little bit deeper and he has an article where he 417 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,200 explains in depth a little bit more what this stuff 418 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,079 might mean. The note passing, the transcripts, and all of 419 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,079 the other legalies that was touched on in that previous 420 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,920 article we just read, and some of the different things 421 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,319 that went on inside of the courtroom today. So it's 422 00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:48,079 always nice to get a breakdown from somebody who obviously 423 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,160 knows what they're doing, like Adam Klassfeld in regards to 424 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,920 covering cases like this. So let's check out this article 425 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,640 from Law and Crime and let's see what Adam Klassfeld 426 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,960 has to say. Here's what the jury notes reveal about 427 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,759 the first full day of Glane Maxwell deliberations. A diverse 428 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,119 panel of twelve men and women busily scrutinized reams of 429 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,759 evidence on their first full day of deliberations in the 430 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,839 sex trafficking case of Glene Maxwell. Requesting the testimony of 431 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,920 all three of our alleged victims and notes from an 432 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:26,000 FBI interview. Though only jurors are privy to the debates 433 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:30,039 going on inside the deliberation room, juror notes provided clues 434 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,319 about their discussions. Now, I wouldn't know the first thing 435 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,720 about a clue as far as what's going on inside 436 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,359 the courtroom with the jury or anything like that. So again, 437 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,559 it's crucial to have reporters like Adam Klasfeld to break 438 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:50,160 it down for people like us and make it more digestible, 439 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,799 because I can't make heads or tails of half the 440 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,680 stuff that goes on in these courtrooms most of the time. 441 00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:00,640 A former federal prosecutor described the notes as a mixed 442 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,519 bag for the prosecution and the defense. All admitted exhibits 443 00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:10,119 are before you. Conspicuously absent from the list of witnesses 444 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:14,240 whose testimony jurors wanted to inspect was Kate, a British 445 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,559 former actress testifying under a pseudonym, who accused Maxwell of 446 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,079 grooming her for sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein. It is 447 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,559 undisputed that Kate was seventeen years old above the age 448 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:30,200 of consent in irrelevant jurisdictions. US District Judge Alison Nathan 449 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:35,160 instructed jurors that Kate was not an alleged victim, So 450 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,960 that that makes sense then, right, if they only want 451 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,799 the testimony from the three who are the alleged victims, 452 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,119 that makes a lot of sense with the jury looking 453 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,680 to render a decision. The first note provided little insight 454 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,079 into what the jurors wanted to inspect inside the transcripts 455 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:58,359 of Jane, Carolyn, and Annie Farmer's testimony, but the second 456 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,039 jury note gave a glimpse. The panel wanted to look 457 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:05,160 at notes from an FBI interview with Carolyn in two 458 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,319 thousand and seven, but jurors mistakenly referred to those notes. 459 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,400 To those notes as a deposition that mix up may 460 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,599 be telling. Notes of FBI interviews with witnesses, known as 461 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,000 three O two's, are not authenticated records of conversations that 462 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:25,359 have not been recorded and cannot be entered into evidence. 463 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:29,079 So the three O twos are basically just the FBI notes, 464 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:35,200 and they can't be used as evidence, and they're not admissible. 465 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,519 They're just the notes that the FBI agents take when 466 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,200 they're doing an interview with somebody. It's called the three 467 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:46,799 oh two and so what's going on is they're asking 468 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,960 for these three O twos that they're calling depositions the jurors, 469 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:57,839 but they're ah, they're the judge Nathan. She's letting them 470 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:07,759 know that it's not evidence. Maxwell's defense attorneys have tried 471 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,559 to undermine her accuser's testimony throughout the trial by claiming 472 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,160 they told the jury a different story than what they 473 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,160 told federal authorities years earlier. So the jury's looking for clarification, right, 474 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,039 They're looking for, you know, trying to put the stories together, 475 00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:26,960 make sure things match up. Does A go with B? 476 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,880 Does B go with C? You know, trying to make 477 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,559 heads or tails of the whole entire thing. Judge Nathan 478 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:37,000 crafted a response clarifying to the jury that what they 479 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,880 requested is not in evidence. All admitted exhibits are before you. 480 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,440 That instruction read. So they're requesting something that is not 481 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:51,039 in the evidence, and Nathan is letting them know that 482 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,400 everything that has been admitted they have as exhibits in 483 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,480 front of them. See what I mean when it's when 484 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,559 I say confusing, This kind of stuff make your head like, 485 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,119 I don't know how people get legal degrees. I have 486 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,319 a couple of friends who are lawyers, and I have 487 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,400 no idea how they can keep everything straight. There is 488 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,559 so much that goes on, all the little things, all 489 00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:20,759 the you know, nuanced moves, and it's just crazy unknown accent. 490 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,200 Attorney Mitchell Epner, a former federal prosecutor who led intake 491 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:28,839 on sex trafficking cases in the District of New Jersey 492 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,519 in two thousand and three and two thousand and four, 493 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:36,599 found that instruction favorable for the defense. They hammered on 494 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,799 the changes in account from FBI interview to trial testimony, 495 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,839 said Epner, who is now counsel with the firm Rottenberg 496 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,799 Lipmann Rich PC. At least one juror is focused on that, 497 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,400 and that that would make sense that there would be 498 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:53,720 one juror focused on that, and that's why they're asking 499 00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:57,720 for those transcripts. Definitely would make sense. I mean, again, 500 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,640 we're not in the jurors room. We don't really know 501 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,000 what they're thinking or what their psyche is. But according 502 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:10,400 to attorney here Mitchell Epner, who's a former federal prosecutor, 503 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,319 he thinks that at least one juror has some reservations 504 00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:20,960 or wants to get a little bit more detail on 505 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:27,759 the testimony here maxwell under legal team appeared to agree 506 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:31,359 with that analysis. After the hearing where the jury note 507 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,079 was recited, Maxwell's attorney, Bobby Sternham appeared to be smiling 508 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,880 ear to ear under her face mask when chatting with 509 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,240 the spectator in the gallery. Maxwell herself, who appeared a 510 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:44,640 little intense when the jury came back with a note, 511 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,559 also looked up beat. The jurors never received the FBI 512 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,759 notes they requested, so again, the jurors were asking for 513 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:59,720 notes that were not admissible evidence, and they never ended 514 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:03,079 up receiving them, obviously, because they weren't something that were 515 00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:09,480 The notes weren't in the docket as admissible evidence, so 516 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,320 they weren't able to get them to use them for 517 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,559 whatever purpose they or one of the jurors wanted to 518 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,119 use them for. Even though those notes are not public, 519 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,840 they were described during Carolyn's testimony, as recited by Maxwell's 520 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,199 lawyer Jeffrey Pagliuca. Part of the notes said Carolyn noticed 521 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,159 an older lady with short black hair and an unknown 522 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,960 accent at Epstein's residence. Isn't that what you told FBI 523 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,480 when you told them the truth in two thousand and seven, 524 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:49,079 Pagliuca asked on December seventh, Yes, Carolyn replied, The lawyer 525 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:53,400 interrogated the unknown accent aspect of that remark in defending 526 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,119 his British client. Now at that point in your life, 527 00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,679 you knew what a British accent was, correct, he pressed. 528 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,199 Carolyn agreed that she did, but she added that she 529 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,480 didn't say an unknown accent. She testified that she told 530 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,400 authorities that Maxwell had an accent in accordance with Department 531 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,000 of Justice policy. No recording of this interview could settle 532 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:18,920 the controversy. So that's pretty interesting, right. That's something that 533 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,440 they're hung up on here, or appear to be hung 534 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,920 up on. Very interesting. This confusion is by design of 535 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,199 the Department of Justice. Epner noted, they've created the three 536 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,639 zero two system so that you can never get them 537 00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:36,280 cleanly into evidence at a trial, and in this case, 538 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,400 it may be backfiring on them. He added, the same 539 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,800 notes allegedly state that Carolyn obtained Epstein's number from a 540 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,559 telephone book. Carolyn testified that she was referring to her 541 00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:52,119 personal book rather than a directory. So again that's been 542 00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:57,280 the genesis and the basis of the defense and their 543 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,679 strategy to destroy the credibility here. And to try and 544 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,400 press enough holes to get the jerry thinking that, hey, 545 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,719 maybe the testimony is off. Maybe what this survivor or 546 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,920 that survivor is remembering, maybe they misremembered. That is the 547 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,840 goal for the defense. The question is are they doing 548 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:24,320 it so far? The government's proposal is yes. Just before 549 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,039 deliberations closed for the day, jurors returned a note more 550 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:32,119 promising for the prosecution, asking Judge Nathan whether they can 551 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:36,000 consider any farmer's testimony as evidence of conspiracy to commit 552 00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:40,039 a crime in counts one to three. For Assistant US 553 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:44,280 Attorney Maureen Comy, the answer was obvious, a one word 554 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,960 answer would be correct. Here, Comy said, the government's proposal 555 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,000 is yes. Judge Nathan's instruction to the jurors wasn't much different. 556 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,800 The answer is yes, you may consider it. So that's big. 557 00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:02,320 That's definitely big for the prosecution that they can use 558 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,239 that and her testimony as a basis. And that's going 559 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,519 to be big for the jury to put those ties 560 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:18,960 together with Maxwell. Judge Nathan's very bare bones affirmative answer 561 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,760 arms those who believe they could consider Oh, excuse me, 562 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,719 let's go back here. We jumped ahead. Ebner told la 563 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,360 on crime that prosecutors must be extraordinarily happy with that 564 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,320 question and answer. When the judge speaks, it's the authoritative 565 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,159 voice in the courtroom. He noted in a phone interview. 566 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:41,840 The jurors look to the judge for unbiased information, and 567 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,360 when the jurors put a question to a question to 568 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,320 the judge, it almost always means that there was a 569 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,280 dispute amongst the jurors on the issue, and that's to 570 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,559 be expected. I would guess, I would hope that there's 571 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:57,239 a diligent jury who are going back and forth and 572 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,000 hammering things out and looking for every last possible angle 573 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,440 and every last bit of evidence. That's what you want 574 00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,679 in a jury, right, you want it to be going 575 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:17,199 through every last thing with a fine tooth comb. Judge 576 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,679 Nathan's very bare bones affirmative answer arms those who believe 577 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,239 they could consider Farmer's testimony and takes the wind out 578 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,320 of the sales of any saying the opposite. Ebner said. 579 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,639 The charges in play by Farmer's testimony are conspiracy to 580 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,119 entice individuals under the age of seventeen to travel in 581 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,920 interstate commerce with the intent to engage in illegal sexual 582 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,199 activity and conspiracy to transport individuals under the age of 583 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,960 seventeen to travel in interstate commerce with the intent to 584 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:56,280 engage in illegal sexual activity. So these are the charges 585 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,800 that she's hit with Maxwell with any and these are 586 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,239 the travel charges bringing someone across state lines with the 587 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:12,880 intent and purpose of illegal sexual activity. One of two 588 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,440 sisters who reported Epstein to the FBI in the nineteen nineties, 589 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,400 Annie Farmer, told The Jerry that she was sixteen years 590 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,519 old when she flew into Epstein's New Mexico ranch. She 591 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,880 testified that Maxwell touched her breast during a massage there, 592 00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,079 and Epstein crawled into bed and he tried to cuddle her. 593 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:32,920 Under that account, Farmer would not have been a miner 594 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,239 in New Mexico, but she would have been in her 595 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,119 home state of Arizona, as well as in New York, 596 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,440 where she said Epstein felt her leg in a movie 597 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,639 theater earlier. The prosecution's theory of the case is that 598 00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,280 Maxwell violated those two counts through the transportation rather than 599 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,239 the alleged acts. And that's crucial, right, because what they're 600 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,679 alleging here is the transportation part of it, not the 601 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,960 act itself. Because the age of consent in New Mexico 602 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:07,920 is sixteen, so they're talking about the transportation the facilitating 603 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:16,079 of the Epstein abuse. Farmer's mother, Janis Swain, corroborated the 604 00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:18,719 account that her daughter went to Epstein's ranch after the 605 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,119 movie theater experience in New York because she thought Maxwell 606 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:26,800 would be their chaperoning her. So that's what went down today, folks. 607 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,280 As far as the deliberation and where we're at, and 608 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,280 a little bit of context on the conversation about the 609 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,559 transcripts and asking for notes and stuff, I figured there'd 610 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:41,920 be a lot of questions about that, and honestly, it's 611 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,360 way out of my realm as well. I'm certainly not 612 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,199 a lawyer, and when it comes to stuff like this, 613 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,280 will rely on articles and content from people like Adam 614 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,239 Klasfeld who break it down in a way that is 615 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,840 at least halfway digestible for the rest of us. So 616 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,719 that's where it's at right now. That's what's going on 617 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,239 with the jurors and the basic feel from some of 618 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480 the people who are in the know. My guess is 619 00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,719 that will have a verdict tomorrow at some time. Again 620 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,920 just a guess, but it seems like that'll be plenty 621 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,800 of time for the jury to get their heads together 622 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000 and figure it out one way or the other. If 623 00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:32,280 not tomorrow, obviously, then they could come back Thursday according 624 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,599 to Judge Nathan, so that's possible as well. So we'll 625 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:38,559 have to see, just like everything else in this case, 626 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,440 more questions than there are answers. But we'll be here 627 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,760 for it tomorrow morning, same time as usual with the 628 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,840 morning update, and then we'll have the evening update as well, 629 00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,880 and if anything transpires throughout the day, obviously I'll hop 630 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,239 on right away and we'll get an episode recorded. But 631 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,320 until then there'll be some more context episodes and all 632 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,159 of that good stuff. All right, everybody, I hope you 633 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:05,920 all have a great night. 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