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to the show on the thirteenth, we'll talk about that. Okay,
well we'll get there. So now, okay, this is hot.
So Keith is it Keith Robert war Is it Keith Robert?
Or is it Keith Robert Ward? Check? What is the
official name?
Speaker 2: You want to know the official one? I want to
know the official Okay, stage? What is the stage?
Speaker 1: The stage?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know. I've I've heard Stony say Keith Robert.
When you play with ak Keith, here is the is
the guitar player in the Vegas version of Act He's
He's the Vegas Ace. He plays with one last kiss.
He plays ace. Obviously I introduced you. Is Keith Robert
ware Stoney says, Keith Robert. Yeah, what is the.
Speaker 1: Official one that you clear the air? It's Keith Robert
War Keith Robert War, and that that's kind of new
because I went through a lot of morphs in my life. Okay,
my real name is Keith Robert Warchillaci, and I love
warchill Ac. I'm very proud of it, but I wasn't
proud of it. I was kind of like, as a kid,
I was kind of under the impression that, like maybe
changing your name was like the cool rock and roll
thing to do. Tommy all well, right, yeah, so Keith Robert.
I took Keith Robert, and I was like, I put
an S on it, Keith Roberts. I was Keith Roberts
for years. Okay, then I dropped the s. I went
cold on the s. Okay, I just went because I
was I was figuring, well, Jimmy Page has two first names.
Let's go Keith Robert. I like it, you know, uh,
not to compare guitar work, which just names I'm comparing,
but right right, And then I got comfortable with Worchike,
and I realized it was like more hockey and more
rockets goal sorry sorry sorry, more hockey, more rock and roll. Yeah,
you know, and uh I thought that it was like
time to like really just but I did. Then I
got to the point I was like, War, it's too
hard for everybody to try to pronounce Borchillac. I've been
called every name and that you can imagine that rhymes
with worchillac, so right, right, So yeah, I went shortening
down rock and roll, Keith Robert War and uh, I'm
just trying to keep it rock and roll. A little
bit of war, a little bit of wachal. That's right,
that's right. You know what sounds like war? Fucking ward And.
Speaker 2: I missed using those drops because when I used to
broadcast a lot through speaker, I had those drops, so
they're both there in the show.
Speaker 1: It was fucking great.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, before we move forward with ladies and gentlemen, Yeah,
we gotta do this and hold hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: I have to do this.
Speaker 2: And in honor of my close personal friends still Carl, Steve, Austin,
crack one.
Speaker 1: For the working man.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, God, damn, I love beer.
Speaker 1: All right, the truth serum, the truth serum has entered.
Speaker 2: It is, so let's let's talk about what you got
the first off, before we get into the backstory, get
into the.
Speaker 1: Keith Robert. Okay, whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's talk about what we have coming up,
because I am a part of this as well.
Speaker 1: I am, and I'm honored to do it.
Speaker 2: So, first off, if you're in Vegas on the twenty
fourth of this month, so that's in fourteen days, there
is a show at the Tuscany in the Coper Room,
and it is a Halloween show.
Speaker 1: That's correct, right, Yeah, okay, and we're doing Uh, everything's free,
come on down. We're giving away money for best costumes.
We're having fun. It's just old school. It's Halloween time,
you know. Sorry, it's all going up and down. Uh,
it keeps going. Uh. It's just a good local show,
you know, free for everybody, just old school. You know.
You're keeping it pretty light, having fun. It's Halloween. Yeah,
you gotta have Yeah, you gotta have a show during Halloween.
It's supposed to be fun exactly. That's why we do it, right,
because it's fun. It is fun. It's that's what it's
all about. I've had to learn that. It's yeah, well,
everybody died. I've had to learn that. I'll be honest
with you. You know, I go up and down with
taking things too serious here and there, but I just
care about everything, so well, yeah, I mean as well
you should. You know, it's it's it's all that preparation,
as you Yeah, yeah, preparation, preparation, preparation. Then when you
get into it, when the makeup hits. Yeah, yeah, see
that's the different thing. It's really exciting the makeup. It's
exciting because you know there's a lot to it. I'm
sure you can dig on that. Oh I can. I
can appreciate it. I can imagine. No. The big thing, though,
is next the big thing? This is the big thing? Yeah,
for many reasons.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Yes, November thirteenth, November thirteenth, Yes, Las Vegas. Yeah,
the as I jokingly call it, the kiss Tart Fest,
is coming to town.
Speaker 1: Okay, which I have heard that one yet, but.
Speaker 2: That you know, they're gonna wear their pretty footy pajamas,
they're gonna have a great time, and I'm jealous that
I'm not going to be there. I still have to
figure out how to get it, Okay, And so I
jokingly jokingly say kiss tart Fest.
Speaker 1: You know why, because I am a kiss tarten. We
all are.
Speaker 2: We kiss heart. So there's no official pre party for
this thing. The Kiss Cruise, Landlocked or whatever. There is
no official there is no official pre party, so you
guys decided, why don't we do our own pre party. Well,
I want to set the record straight, okay, please, Okay,
So if anybody knows me, knowing how many years I've
been doing this Kiss Trebute thing, I am ready to
really put it in the pass and we're going to
get to that. Okay, we are going to get it.
We're going to get to that.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this whole has been a lot of preparation
and trying to have a lot of good gigs and
have a lot of fun for the band. One Last
Kiss is a fun, man, It's the only reason why
I did it, because of Mike, Steve and Carl. It's
a lot of fun. But this gig, you know, we
booked this gig because we didn't have too many gigs
left for the year, because I said I got to
be done by the end of the year. So we
did actually book the show right about a week before
anything popped up. We had no prior knowledge about this. Okay,
this is this was not I just want to make
sure people know, like we didn't try to slip in.
I'm not the type of person to kind of like
slip in. I don't got that kind of guy. I
don't want to do that. You know, I'm not hooray
here I am. You know, it just happened to be.
And I was like, listen, Mike, let's bring it back
to the Thursday. People are going to be flying in. Yeah,
got that date on the weekend anyway, why don't we
just take over the Thursday and have fun with it.
It started really small, you know, and we thought it
was going to be something smaller, and then it grew
into something enormous that we did not expect. And we've
had a lot of fun putting it together. But you know,
we're excited to do this. It's called Casa Blanca, right,
and I wanted to take some cool stuff from the
Kiss seventy five era and just kind of you know,
the whole Casa Blanca label. Every time you look at
a record, you're just staring at that guy smoking a
cigarette and yeah, you know, sometimes the blue labels, sometimes
the silver labels, the brown labels, yep. And I was
just dreaming. I'm like, you know, I missed the old
school New York parties where we titled things and you
went to things called something. Yeah, you know, so I
was like, you know, let's do Casa blanca nineteen dollars
and seventy five cents to get in, you know, a
huge milestone today of all days, right, huge milestone for
Kiss all Live. And you know, we wear those costumes
and whatnot, and you know, we put this together and
then we decided, let's have a little bit more fun
with it. Let's have a little bit more fun with it.
Let's have a little bit more fun with it. And
it got out of control, and you know, we're excited
that everybody's coming down. We know that a lot of
people are flying in. You know, I know that a
lot of people are excited about the weekend. We just
want people to come down have fun with Kiss Army
from Las Vegas. You know, see what we bring to
the town and just come for a rip row and
rock and roll.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is this show is not this
is not a Kiss affiliated event.
Speaker 1: It's not. This is by the Kiss Army for the
Kiss Army. Correct. Yeah, it's a good point. Uh you
know where the Kiss Army, you know, it is our
territory and we gotta you know, this for me and
for the band, and it's just all kind of happening
at the same time. It's it was just great timing,
right well, and it's so wild.
Speaker 2: I did not know you guys had it booked that
weekend and then this got the kiss thing you got
right now, and you're like, well, well, first off, let's.
Speaker 1: Because technically, I mean we didn't we I don't have
any other gigs left for Las Vegas since VAMPS has closed,
right right, So you know, Corey always wanted to do
a Christmas thing, as we did Christmas last year. It
was a huge success. It was a lot of fun.
I was there, but me and Mike were kind of stuck.
You know. We picked some select gigs this year. He
knew that I've only got like six or ten gigs
and we wanted to make them good. We had the Vamped,
we had Whiskey, you know, and we've had some other
kind of events, private events and whatnot, some good stuff
Anaheim as well, but at a high even for you
fans from right, Matt would love that from Australia. So
you know, it was just good timing and it was
really the only thing I had left in the tank
for Vegas. It was it was. It started as my
kind of like going away party. All right, this is
the last time I'm going to do makeup. And I
know everybody's been hearing me bitch and complain about this
for years, but there's something real deep about it that
I have to like move forward with. What so what
you this is like your farewell tour. This is I'm
the Kiss World correct, But that includes act as well,
includes everything everything Kiss A couple other things about the party,
you know exactly. The truth is is that it's a
great night. It could it's a great day to be out.
The weather's gonna be amazing already ten weeks that I
can tell already. You know it's gonna be great. It's
just uh, it's gonna be very fun. Bones is gonna
be playing with us, opening up for us. I have
to thank Christina and Patrick Vicliano for really helping us
with you know, just kind of doing some cool stuff
or we all got together and did the design of everything,
been helping us with the event, and so thank you
to them of course. And uh, we're excited to hang
with the Bones and play and fun band. We've got
Izzy Presley hosting it. Which is gonna be super cool.
There might be some kiss trivia maybe right, there might
be some kiss Shenanigans, Shenanigans. You know, it's gonna be
a fun quick night. We got DJing Noise. Who is
DJ dj Noise from Miami. Let me tell you something.
This guy is stone cold cool. Okay. I met him
over at the UH we were playing with the kiss
Fest before they went I Don't on the cruise about
a year or two ago with the freylist comment band.
I don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 2: I remember, which, yeah, yeah, we're okay, get there, okay,
because that's part of the story.
Speaker 1: Well that was cool because like, you know, you can
tell he's from Miami, right, he's got the Miami swagger
and the whole look and everything like that, and it's
maybe he's close to it. He's a handsome fella, handsome
fella and he just you know, he was like we'd
see each other before the gig, you know, it's kind
of keeping a low profile, and then the day after
he was just like that was really cool. You know,
he really got a lot of enjoyment out of the set,
and he gave me some praise. It was really nice.
You know, we just we just stayed in touch. He's
a great dude. He's a big DJ out in Miami,
you know, but he's a mega Kiss fan. He's one
of the biggest Kiss fans in like the world. He
knows everything. Is a drummer. He goes up and plays
with bands often and everything like that, you know, Kiss
events and stuff like that. So he's looking forward to this.
I know he is very much. And he's getting married.
So congratulations nice, right know. DJ Noise is great. He's
going to be spinning I told him, spin kiss in
rock and roll whatever. I said, whatever you want to spin,
spin some rock and roll. Uh, there's gonna be some
cool drink specials nice which I know you saw.
Speaker 2: I did, I did. I still think the muff punt
would be a great idea.
Speaker 1: Ah well, I got Christina told me I can't use
pussy punch. Well yeah, well it's not pussy punch. It's
not it's it's the buff punch. Cheers to that man. Sorry,
oh my god.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna say this right now. Yeah,
I'm going to offer this service. If you're coming to
this thing, if you're coming to the Casablanca unofficial official
pre party.
Speaker 1: Yes that we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am a licensed marriage back you do. I
can marry people legally.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: If you come to the show and you are planning
on getting married in Vegas that weekend, that would be cool.
Get your make sure you get the license. Okay, there's
rules today.
Speaker 1: Anybody who gets married through you or anybody that you
know gets married that we can gets into the show
for free. I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, but get your get your license, get all that
shit taken care of. Come to the show. We'll marry
you on stage, okay, and I'll do I'll do a
special because maybe we have a whole group of people.
Speaker 1: Okay, getting married. You can do it all one hundred
bucks a couple. Let's just jam the mill. Then. I
love it, right, I love it. That's a good November wedding.
I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it. That's good.
We're giving away chips, marriage licenses, and uh well the
rights to your soulf. We're not giving away the license
them off the pay. We're giving away your soul, giving
away your soul.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so this and how many tickets are available
for this show?
Speaker 1: Current? There? I know it's close to look, you know
the old trick with business, right, there's only a few
tickets left. There's only a few tickets. Ron, do not
walk to your little no, no, no, no, no, no, for real, there's
actually only a couple of tickets left. Mike told me
today there was seventeen tickets left. Ye now when we
pre sold it all the tables and pretty much like
I'm sure, the tickets just went. And you know, between me, Steve, Mike,
you call, and Christina and Patrick and everybody, how many
friends and fans and family do we know that are
coming in from the world, all over the globe for
different universes for this and listen, you know, the truth
is is that you know, kisses to be celebrated on
all levels. I love it. I am happy that Kiss
is doing this. I'm never I'm never against Kiss doing anything.
I'm never against Kiss performing of any sort, Rock on
forever do everything. Kiss should be celebrated, and I'm glad
that everybody is celebrating it. You know, I want to
give a shout out to Kiss Nation because the Gene
Simmons and the band Joe Anastazi, he's the guy who
kind of raised me into this world. He taught me
everything about Kiss. He taught me every ace FAILI lead.
And I'm happy for him and I'm super excited that
he's playing the Kiss again, as I mean, it's a
big thing for them there my boys from New York
City as well, so you know, I'm just happy. People
from around the world are all coming in and there's
plenty to go around for everybody. Planny a Kiss the
whole weekend. We want to see everybody. We want to
We want to hang with everybody. We want to see
all of our friends. Stop by. Even if you don't
come in, say hello, whisper wave. We just want to
see people because it's fun. It's like New York City,
you know when Kiss Kiss with the buzz in ninety
seven ninety six. The camaraderie around Kiss fans is just
out of control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so weird. It's like it's like Minnesota's Minnesotans.
When you see somebody else and you find out they're
from Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Hey, where where I'm gonna say, cloud, Oh, I know
that I've been there.
Speaker 1: I've been drunk. Yeah, exactly. I love bringing up Minnesota
because I always like to tell people I know the
juicy lucy. Yes, I know the chocolate cow, right the
beer that you don't know the chocolate cow? Is that
a Wisconsin thing? Maybe that's no, you're thinking the spotted
cow spotty cat is? How dare you sorry? Man? It's
been a long It's been ten years since I've had
a spotted cat. It's all God, No, it's good. I
love Minnesota. No, it's a lot of fun. Yea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of fun in the summertime. Yeah,
so this is the summertime in the summertime. Only Minnesota
people really get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's great. No, I love the winter there too,
but I don't live there. Yeah. But have you ever
felt seventy below zero? Yeah? See they're exhausting.
Speaker 2: I never one. Ten is so much better, yea, though,
it's true. So this is so run, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Run.
Speaker 2: Do not walk to your local ticket office, which is
your computer. Where can they buy tickets?
Speaker 1: You know? I should have that prepared. I don't have it.
Would you just go to like the dive bar dot com.
Just come to the dive bar if you if you're
gonna be there, just walk in and walk in and
pay the nineteen dollars and seventy five cents, but so low.
You know, it's it's gonna be jammed, but we've left
enough room there. I love this playing room. So there
will be walk up room and it's gonna be you know,
there's gonna be all local rockers, all our friends are
gonna be there. You know. I want to see all
my friends come out. You know. It's it means a
lot to me, and I know it means a lot
to the band. But the band has been on fire. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
the band has not been taking any prisoners, right. I
think it's a I think it's a special band, by
the way, one less Kiss. You know, it's just it's raw,
it's dirty, there's nothing awkward. It's just right punching your
face rock and roll. The guys are singing, well, you know,
we're using amps. It's a beautiful thing, you know, and
we're set up like kiss. Yeah. I see, I see,
you know, not knocking people. But I see bands on
the sidewhere they got their amps like facing in and
like weird stuff and stuff like that. I'm a stickler
for a Kiss tribute shit, you know, well, real real
stickler for ship like that.
Speaker 2: No, that's not even kiss to me. That's just dude,
that's fucking being in a fucking rock band. Your fucking
amps behind you, moving air. Just just give me the
rock and roll. Just give me the old school, you
know what I mean. As much as you like to
say that, oh it's a kemper, but nobody can tell
everybody can tell it. Right now, I'll let me tell you.
My head has been in deep in kempers lately for
the past two weeks.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I'm working on it, and I've got a
project going on. It's not it doesn't it sounds like
a CD. It's it's it's a difference. An amp is
not supposed to sound perfect now, and we're using real apps. Good,
it sounds good. That's good. That's good.
Speaker 2: So this is, as you alluded to. This is your
this is your way out. This is the Keith Robert
wore Goodbye Kiss World, playing wise. Yeah, all things Kiss,
farewell to all things Kiss.
Speaker 1: All things Kiss. I've made the decision all things Kiss.
It's it's really difficult, but I wanted to try to
push this because kiss has been you know, I'm I know,
like it's kind of stupid. It's not like I want
to abolish Kiss. It's just like I've been doing Kiss
since I was fifteen. Yeah, Like it's been every day
thirteen forty since I was five. You know, it's not
kiss Kiss Kiss. You know, I did give up. I
did give up Row five Gene side Row five Madison
Square Garden last night of Kiss to play a show
here in Vegas. And I did it on purpose, and
my buddy it was just it was just regular price.
We were gonna go, you know, and he's like, ding
fifth Row Gene. I'm like, oh man, that's acide. You
want to be on too, Like I can't believe this,
but I you know, I gotta say no. You know,
I got to put Keith before Kiss, right, you know,
And you know everybody's got to try to put their
art and everything like that and theirselves before stuff. So
you know, you keep doing more Kiss tribute shows, you
know you're you're not being Keith anymore, you know, Right,
I've been ace for so long and I've had a
lot of fun, but I also it's like, you know,
I've also been dreaming my whole life of like a
real kiss, like professional kiss tribute Kiss two point zero
you know. Yeah, I've been dreaming about that my whole life.
In fact, the night Kiss Play, I was at the
Sandala playing with Rtrosonic and somebody's like they made an
announcement about a new band, and I kind of was like,
I went into like freak out mode. I'm my wad
a bitte. They did this without me. My god, I
didn't even have a chance. And then I was like,
then I got home and I woke up and my
life was ruined with one word avatar yep, And I
was like, wow, this is a breath of fresh air,
you know. But look, I'm really passionate about it. I
love this stuff so much, but I can't do it
to the capacity that I want to do it anymore. Yeah,
it's not there anymore. It's to be in it. It's
not just the hard the financials, you know, everything, it's
all got to be there.
Speaker 2: There's that because look, here's and this is just me
speculating on part of it is you're not on the road.
You're not fucking going down to town doing your kiss show,
you know, three times, three nights, four nights a week.
Speaker 1: You're doing flyouts. Hear this, And here's the thing, as
I've told Mike, I go the gimmick is the best
thing in the world, and it makes so much money,
and it is always great to see a new gimmick.
And I use that word lightly, but you can't compete
with many Kiss, you can't compete with hair Ball, you
can't compete with Steeve Panther. They're genius ideas and they're
they're made for a reason because it's fun. And I
think it's great that bands are just taking that not
so seriously, you know. But we've talked about a couple
of ideas, me and Mike, We've talked about a couple
of things that we want to do, but I just
really want to do more Keith, you know. Yeah, and
that's really it for me. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Kiss, you know, I love dude. It's
it's understandable. It's what it's like, even though I'm not
in it like you are.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like I have the Ace Fairly tribute show. It's
about more about the music, yeah, and habit.
Speaker 1: It's but you do have fun. It's really fun. It's
really fun.
Speaker 2: It's not but it's not fucking serious. It's like we're
playing Kiss songs. With our friends are getting paid for it. Yeah,
you know it's not a full blown tribute show, but
that's and you know I played with the smoke Kills,
which is fucking awesome because.
Speaker 1: It's original music.
Speaker 2: And that's why I you know, I said to you,
it was like, fucking I have an idea. Let's write
some fucking songs. Yeah, this is the the way I
want to go. This is my vision for it. And
it's like, we'll see, We'll see what happened.
Speaker 1: You know you should. So when did your kiss story start? Wow?
I give a lot of credit to this dude named
Carlos Espada. I was working at a music store in
like nineteen ninety four, ninety five, and me and him,
he was some dude from Queen's and we shared this
like kiss video list because I was hardcore. I had this.
I had all this shit before all these guys had it.
I've seen it all. Yeah yeah yeah. We trade and
we trade and we trade, and one day he came
out He's like, I want to play bass, I do gene,
And he came out, I'm trying to like make a quick,
long story. I mean, I've we got time. I wouldn't
believe my brother when I was like nine. He brought
me to see Kiss Army as Jerry. Sorry if I'm
not saying his name correctly, Jerry Garoffalo. Sorry. Probably Bill
Sabetta if I remember correctly. Mike Sivo definitely on drums
as Peter, and probably either Tony or it could have
been the dude from New Jersey. But I saw this
and I was like, wait a minute. I mean, this
is cool that somebody's doing it. I mean I saw
the Spiro Papadato stuff on him, and the Tommy Thayer
and Jamie Saint James. I saw that. When like at
the same time, I see this show called Jim, I'm like,
wait a minute, people do this. I'm like young, I'm like, well,
you know, I never even thought about it because I'm like,
I was never even a guitar player. I never even
I never even believed in myself to be a guitar player.
I was too afraid. Then I finally picked it up.
I was like, wait a minute, you know, I could
try this. About a year out of high school, I
find after two or three years of knowing Carlos, He's like,
I'm gonna come out and meet you, and it was
really a nice moment to me, you know, but it
was just it was it was unique. You know. He's like, uh,
you know, a boy green kind of guy. You know,
pen pals and kind of like yeah, pen pals with
the Swap Kiss. Yeah yeah, Swap Kiss video. So you
were traders. Yeah yeah. So we got together to meet
one day and Carlos is a is a doll and
he brought me into this rehearsal studio to jam with
Jerry from Kiss Army, the guy I always saw when
I was a kid, and Bobby Cicco and they were
trying to put together something and I come and play,
and I play my ass off playing whatever I knew
was Kiss, and I didn't know. I didn't know it
as good as I know today. I just kind of
winged it. But it was cool back then because like
the older dudes were like this kid can play, Like yeah,
he can hang. He's like the kid, you know. That
was the fun part. And then like it's like two
days later, this is in nineteen ninety seven, from April.
A couple of days later, Bobby calls me the guy
I just met that night that Carlos introduced me. He's like, hey, man,
I got this band. They kind of need a bass player,
but why don't you come down? Unlet's just jam, and
this is all happening really fast. I get down and
I meet Joe Montagna, Joe Anastasi, and Bobby Cicco and
now Joe Anastasi. They were all in a band called
New York City's Dressed to Kill, And you can see
all this cool stuff on YouTube that Bobby Cicco put
a whole thing on. He documented everything back in nineteen
ninety seven. It was really cool. So long story short,
which there never is a long story with a short
story with me. That's fine. So I come in that
day and Joe was the ace, So I'm coming in.
I'm just playing guitar and he shows up and he
puts the bass on and they don't even need to
really introduce me to him, so I don't even know
who he is. She just losts to four in the room.
And then we played Deuce and I did the whole
thing where I dropped to my knees and I go
all the way back and I'm doing the black diamond
thing and they're like looking at me and I'm peaking.
I'm like peaking yeah, peaking while I'm rock And I'm like,
do they think it's cool? Do they think it's cool? Yeah?
And they thought it was cool. So I left. I'm like,
I'm gonna go take a piss. I want to go
smoke a bowl of course, because I had to be
secretive about it back then. I come back and they're like,
what are you doing this summer right? And I'm like,
nothing working and they're like, well, we're going on tour.
He's going to become Jean. You're going to become Ace
So Dressed to kill New York City's Dressed to kill,
Joe Montagna, Joe Anastizing, Bobby Cicco. They are my holy
Bible of kiss. They brought me into this whole world.
We went out with no cell phone, no social media,
into a van and we did three months out on
the road. We booked all over America. We played some
of the greatest rock and roll concerts that ever existed.
I mean some of the most raucous, raucous moments, which
you could all see on YouTube forty five minute version
of one hundred thousand Years. Because Jesus Arbus, Christy Carbus Christie.
They were and they were passing bottles of Jack Daniels everywhere.
It was nuts. I never seen people party like this
in my life. I mean this and this is wild.
I'm still nineteen, yeah, yeah, yeah, So New York City's
Dressed to Kill really brought me into this whole thing.
Turns out, when we got back after the tour, Bobby
Seco got married, moved down to Texas, and Alan Rollary
came back to the band to Dress to Kill. Alan
Rollary and Joseph Anastasi playing Kiss Nation. Who are playing
coming up this way? Yeah at the Kiss play right,
So they are. They are very very important to me.
They've they've brought me to this kiss world and trained
me into the art of rock and roll. So I
owe them a lot. And the whole Kiss Tribute things
started right there. I never stopped. I Then my next
big band I went into was Hotter than Hell. I
filled in for Scott McCluskey. I played with Andrew French,
Andrew Frinche is a whole different thing. I can get
into a very very long story. What years were we
with Horder than Hell?
Speaker 2: Two thousand was in in one two thousand? Did you
ever play a Saint Cloud Minnesota Press Bar. I was there. Wow,
I was there, snowed it was there. Was that the
day that it snowed. There was a big and we
got locked in. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay I worked there.
I wasn't working that night, but I was there. Wow,
that's amazing. I have footage of it. I have it.
I have it on footage. That's because you know the
press is gone. Oh yeah, I'm sure it burnt down.
Oh yeah yeah, I didn't know it.
Speaker 1: It burnt down five years ago. I didn't know that. Yeah, bumber,
sorry to hear that. Yeah, Minnesota's always been a great,
great place to tour for anything rock and roll. Remember
do you ever go to what was that a place
called in Fargo, North Dakota. I can't remember what it
was called. Somebody correct me out there. Anyway, that whole
not ahle Hot than Health thing was wild. Yeah, it
was really wild. It was like that was like almost
being like homeless and living on the road for like
two years with French and me and the guys. I mean,
sometimes it was Yayo dark Angelus on base. Sometimes it
was forgive Me. I can't remember his name. He passed away.
I'll remember Ray Ray from Winnipeg Ray from Winnipeg, the
home of the Paul Stanleys. Yes, Kelly right, Yes, I
love Kelly hotter than hell. You know. Then I just
from like two thousand and two, two thousand and three,
it was just like play with everybody, you know. I
got to play with Kiss Army, Gary Stevens and Troy
and all those guys, and it just then I finally
got to the Vegas thing. I started playing with Lewis,
you know, with we were called something else before Sin
City kiss Uh. And then you know, I just I
put it. I put it down for a while, you know,
I didn't want to do it anymore. And then I
just once talked about you was Ittony? Please say it
with Stony's fault. Stony has a lot to do with
it because he put me to work. You know when
when I moved to Vegas and they so kindly welcomed
me into their into it.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna hold you right there. This
is one thing that I love about this town. When
you when I moved to La, this is La You play?
What do you do Vegas? Dude?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Let's make money, Tom, Let's make money. That's what
it's so welcoming here of course. Yeah, yeah, you know
that Stony and his crew, Stony, Morpheus, Sean and uh
forgive me, it'll come to me. Okay. They did a
great thing for rock and roll. They were a great
thing for Las Vegas, and they they did something that
brought the community in that was magical, you know, I mean,
who can complain with you know, almost eight hours of
Kiss and everybody performing it. Yeah, you know, everybody contests,
you know, giving the money away to the kids here
in the town. It was. It was amazing. So yeah,
Stony does have something to do with it. But excuse me,
it's just I love Steve to death. I love Steve Mitchell.
Steve Mitchell. Everybody knows him in the Kiss world as
a Chip and Paul. I'm sure a lot of Kiss
cruisers out there and everything like that probably know him
as Chip and Paul. I love Steve to death. He's
one of the best people in the world. I enjoy
being around him, which is not easy to say about
band members. You know, I love Mike camp be On
to death, stellar human being, completely stellar, and he's a
He's a big weight in the band, you know, as
far as holding it down with the vocals and yeah, Bason,
he you know, the bass is really important in that
band Kiss. It really is. Don't have the bass, you
don't have Kiss exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, then this is one thing that always always it
doesn't piss it just it's like whatever when people say,
oh yeah, they just can't play their instruments, it's just
a show.
Speaker 1: It was like, dude, you have no fucking idea. You
have no idea. This is is. I don't know if
they're only ready because you know we have We're billions
strong in the Kiss. I mean, no one's gonna fight
this thing. It's like ac DC Kiss is the most
overrated and underrated band at the same time. Likely yeah, yeah,
probably a safe thing to say. Yeah, but uh and
that's not a shot. Boy. The guitar work between Paul
and Ace, dude, dude, I mean it's unbelievable. You know this,
These are okay, So now we now realizing why I
got back into this. It's tapping into me. Everybody who
knows me out there, who's ever played with me, knows
that it might be a little bit of a struggle.
Every once in a while. I can be tough in
the studio. I can be tough when it comes to production.
I'm not ashamed of it. And Stony taught me this,
don't be ashamed of it. It was very shy of
it for years. But you don't get anywhere without getting
it right. It's true. So you know, I don't fucking
play with me because you're awesome on guitar and you're
fun to play with and you're just a light of
fresh a light of fresh air, you know, in this world. Yeah,
it is fun anyway. Sorry, you know, you do a
great The whole Act brand and everything like that is
genius and you should be really proud of that. You know.
Everybody's got their take in the Kiss world. We all
have our things, you know, but you know, I just
I want the songs to be played correctly. I want
the drums to be played correctly. You know. We it's
it's not easy to do the vocals, you know, vocals
for everybody gets harder and harder. You know, it's very
difficult for bands, you know. But I have this crazy, crazy,
crazy thing that kind of broke me and Lewis up
for years from Sin City Kiss and I'll be I'll
be honest about it, you know. You know, we got
into it a lot because you know, I try to
explain to people that if you want to be kiss,
if you're trying to portray kiss, and if you're trying
to bring the message of kiss to the people. Okay,
there's this thing that really gripes me. It's my red flag.
It's when a band puts a microphone center stage. Okay,
I really, I'm really against it. Okay, do everything else.
I know we're not perfect, and I know it's hard
to get right, but understand why Kiss was kissed because
of the Beatles. Okay. Yeah, So the Beatles tradition is
no one members any more important than the next man. Right,
So you've got Ringo, you've got John, you've got Paul,
and you got George, right, and George goes all over
the place, but you got in your mainstays and you
look at the Beatles and you see everybody, well that's
kiss okay, and it's big to me. It's it's the
eminem theory for Van Helen. If I go and I
see that I'm not happy with the band, it's like
if you get the contract with Van Hellen, you see
the brown Eminem's everything's fucked right. Well, that's how that's
when I go to a show, I go, oh, this
is fucked him out of here. I'm really a big
stickle about this. So me and Lewis disagreed on this.
For a very very long time. I stopped playing with
cin City Kiss. I didn't want to do Kiss anymore.
I'd just really been done with it when we did
the Las Vegas trip, which I've been told Sin Citikiss
was the only Kiss tributeman to ever play on Las
Vegas Boulevard really as a theater show, really, that is true.
So we opened up planning Hollywood with a show called Compendium,
and we had a lot of great people helping with us,
but we also had a great a lot of people
that were not great. And I did not like that,
and it was not Lewis. Lewis was great. He was
just stuck between a rock and a hard place. That happens.
So after like two thousand and I just I had
twenty and fifteen sixteen. I just couldn't take it anymore. So,
you know, seeing Steve and seeing and Mike and by
the way, Carl is just a knockout drummer. Yeah, he's
not one of the biggest Peter Chris fans in the world,
and he loves Eric Carr equally, and he's just a
real class sack behind the drums. So these guys are great.
We had a meeting January of twenty twenty five, and
here I am at the office all day ago. You know,
I'm gonna go to this meeting to roll up my sleeves.
Now I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna go
I ain't doing this. I'm done. Boy. I walked out
of that meeting with a whole year of work and
I'm not a whole year book of shows. And it's like,
I don't I said to them, I don't want to
do this to you guys. I feel bad. I don't
want to ditch you guys. I don't want to like
do that to you. You guys should be able to
live your dreams too. But I just, you know, I
think it's time for me. I can't speak for everybody else,
but it's time for me. You know, I get it, dude,
I get it.
Speaker 2: If your heart's not there, there's no reason to go
out there and go through the molds.
Speaker 1: And you know, I want to stand on my business here.
My heart's there, you know. Yeah, the commitment's not there.
You know. I love Kiss, you know, I wanted if
I could do it on that big scale, I would
love to do it. Yeah. I always dreamed Kiss would
do a professional Kiss tribute band in Japan and Dude
Destroyer and then a professional History be band. Stop stealing
my ideas, Jean, A Professional History be band in Australia,
their Dynasty a professional History be band in America, their
Love Gun a professional History be band in Europe. They're
like Live Coba Hall kind of you know, like kind
of like split it up around the world, you know,
kind of cool shit. I love it more than anything,
you know, But I just I just I want to
do some of the stuff. And plus I've got some
stuff book next year and I want to kind of
focus on it, you know that. Well, yeah, that is
what you know about my phone call from Gene Simmons. Though,
right I no, I do not, please don't, Okay, I'll
send it to you. I could play it for you
if you want. But so I was playing with Jesse
Camp so between after Dress to Kill. You know, that's
a great story, you know. Paul Browner from Birchill's like
a Jesse Camp wants to meet you. We go down
to the beach House, which was like a life changing event.
How we got to the beach house, how it happened
was astronomically almost not possible. Okay, to get there because
I had seen Jesse on TV or.
Speaker 2: Jesse if you're wondering. Jesse was the Jesse Camp from MTV.
He was the weird DJ Weird TJ WEIRDJ And I
know Jesse as well. We've had this conversation. He's the
sweetest guy. He is the sweetest dude.
Speaker 1: He's the sweetest guy in the world I've never had.
We'll get to that of we'll get to that at
the time. I love Jesse. He changed my life. Yeah,
but he also then are you empty? Battle? I am it?
Would you like another one? I would like him. I
happened to have one more left with your name on it.
As long as you have one, I have one right
in front of Okay, Okay, I don't want to I
don't still. I have to do this, right? Is this?
Where is it? Is it so battling? No? No, no,
no no, I just have to do something. Oh Ship,
all right, so you can keep telling the story. Are
you still recording? Yeah? I didn't pause it. Okay, guys,
never pause anything, dude. All right, so you keep telling
forgot like smokes outside. I thought you were politive. I
was gonna go run out, but uh so, uh we
get to meet Jesse, right and Jesse's like, dude, he
like grabs me. He's like, You're not going anywhere, and
I'm like, I kind of like land this in my head,
like I visioned this, you know, like I saw this happening,
you know, But what was the point of the story
we were talking about between you know, the ki historybut
stuff I was doing bestie camp and okay, here we go.
God bless you. I gave him drinking, but I put
it in for today in my contract. Well I appreciate it, yeah,
only for you. All Right, there we go. I mean
it's it is kind of an abduber with Kelsey. So cheers,
Thank you very much. Cheers to Minnesota, to the wild
and to the Nights. Good names to say that wild
one tonight. By the way, I five nothing Zukerrellarella get
some advertising for them. Jesse. You know, there were so
many wild things that was going on with you know,
like especially his album coming out blah blah, blah blah.
He's like, you know, blah blah blah. So I'm at home.
We lived in New York City in Lower East Side
on Houston Street, and I leave, I go to get
some food. I come back and I see the beep.
Now it's the tape tape voicemail. Yeah, yeah, those are
the I remember those very very well. I'm a little one. Yeah. Okay.
So I see it, and I I mean, should I
pull it up? Should I? Do you want to hear it?
Or you want to you could play it, I'll say,
I'll say, I'll say I'll drop a link or something
like that, drop a link. Long story short. I see
the beeping. I'm like, what is this. He's like Jesse's like, Keith,
if you're there, pick up now. He's like, pick up,
pick up, pick up, nowhere to be found? Yeah, getting
some food? Yeah, gee, Like grabs the phone out of
He's like, give me that phone. He's like Keith, and
he looks at you. He's like, yes, boss, yes, boss, Keith.
I hear you do a great ace. So if face
gets sick, maybe you want to come up and rock
out a little bit. So I hopeed him each one day.
See you By and I'm like, I cannot fucking believe
I just mass that actually happened. I have it that
I actually have you know why. I mean, I'm not
I'm not that vain, but it's nineteen ninety like it's
it's nineteen ninety eight, and like you know, I'm still
a young kid, like trying to figure the world out.
I want to be a rock. So you could have
been Tommy Thair. So I've had this discussion with some
close people to me. Here, here's the thing I was.
I'm a I'm a realistic dreamer here right, I'm not.
I'm not delusional. I know I knew back then. I
knew I knew no, but at the time I had
realized they're not going to go on the tour with
a twenty year old kid. Yeah, Tommy had a locked up.
He put the work in, true, there was no getting
around it. There was only if Tommy had an issue
maybe yeah, But I had a shoe in at the time,
and it was Eric's singer really well, because I toured
with Alice Cooper, uh with the Jesse camp then, and
oh yeah he was cool. Like one day after the show,
you know, all the guys that back there. They're all
rocking out and you know, everybody's partying, and I have
the courage. I like pull out the picture of me
and makeup. Eric's like what, He's like, that's you. I'm
like yeah, he's like what. He grabs it for me
and like walks away. I'm like, I don't know what's
going on here anyway. The next couple of days he's like,
come up to soundcheck you, let's go, let's play some kiss.
We did kiss on soundcheck like all the time. And
again I was the kid and all the old the dudes,
you know, the guys. The dudes were like, oh man,
the kid, the kid, because you know, I can get
into the old Jesse camp thing. But you know, it
was like it was I was the exciting one. Jesse wasn't.
We'll get into that another day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
you know, I had dreamed about it, but I had realized,
you know, you Tommy Scott, it locked up. There's nothing
that's gonna happen. I just had hoped maybe, you know,
every years like this is why I've never cut my hair.
That's that's another thing, another reason why I want to stop.
If you can cut your hair. But I want to
be a different version of Keith. This has been Keith
since like nineteen ninety five, you know, and I've been
dreaming about kiss. I used to fax letters to Doc
McGee in nineteen ninety seven ninety eight. I used to
call Doc McGee Entertainment, just wring them off the hook.
I used to try everything. I used to try everything
to get to their attention. But I was just I
there's a little bit of humor behind it too with me,
Like I know, I know the realistic part about it. Right,
you gotta try, you know, you never know.
Speaker 2: Did you know when they were doing the forum for
Kiss Alive two, they were supposedly recording.
Speaker 1: For sure, right? Do you know who was in Peter's
makeup ready to go? I do? Oh, yes, I do.
Bunny Carlos. Wow.
Speaker 2: I read that. I read that in an article or
in an interview with him.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I have never seen that or heard that anywhere else.
I've never heard anybody talk about that. Yeah, it's true,
but it's true.
Speaker 1: It is true. It's true.
Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder if they made him shave the
mustache they were.
Speaker 1: I mean, no way is Bunny gonna Budge Bunny's gonna
stand on business. But I mean kiss is gonna stand
on business too. Yeah, somebody's gotta win. Peter must. No,
that's too funny though, But imagine being Peter's roady and
then like you're going up today. Yeah you knowed when
that happened. That's amazing, you know, trust me, there were
many times I was standing outside Madison Square Garden waiting
to clock, like pulling Nancy Carrigan on ace, because there
were many times I found him. I've there's been many
times I did my work in the ninety five ninety six.
I did a lot a lot of work back then
to keep my eyes on them. You know. I I
was the guy on Q one or four point three.
I would call the radio station and I would use
a different voice and a different name from multiple tickets,
and I got like three pass of tickets out of
one show. I won tickets for like all four nights.
I was crazy back then. I would call Eddie Trunk.
In fact, have you ever heard that call where I
called him to Eddie Trunk and I got him through
through Peter Chris. I was really young. I used to
call Eddie all the time, and I used to play
my demo for him. I used to play I said,
you know, Kiss. When Kiss miss came around, I'd just
be bothering them all the time, calling, calling, calling, And
when Peter Chris got through, I got through to Peter Chris.
That was hilarious because I was like, fuck asking Peter
Chris all the stupid questions that everybody asked Peter Chris. Oh,
this is a dict, but you make um on. I
was like, Peter, you're the fucking best. You are the
fucking voice of Kiss. Don't let anybody tell you fucking anything.
Stand tall, he said, you stand tall, you stay tall.
It was a great little epic episode on Eddie Trunk's show.
You know, does Eddie know that's you? Yes? He yeah, yeah,
he knows. Yeah, that's fucking funny. Yeah, it's pretty well.
I get off the topic really fast, but now you're
talking about Kiss. I apologize, but.
Speaker 2: It's good because that's kind of how this show rolled.
Do you see a script in front of me?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Do you see questions in front of me? I occasionally
all have just ship jotted down. Hell no, fuck no, dude,
this is a conversation. Yeah, this is kind of going
all over the place. It's just a microphone in front
of it. It's just a microphone, And I feel safe.
Jesus Christ of goddamn beers and uh no zukrello and
note that says Obdura riculs trance God bless you. You
said that you're gonna be busy next year. Yeah, you
have something else going on? Can we talk about what
else you do?
Speaker 1: Is that? Sure? You work for Twisted Sister? I do?
How did when did you get in? Did how did
the Twist's Sister thing happen? And what do you feel?
Very well? This is fun because it's it's chronologically you
addressed to kill in nineteen ninety seven, hat Jesse Camp
ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand and boy, that breakup
was weird. We'll get to that. I mean, I've yet
to start writing the book, but the breakup in Jesse
Camp is epic. We'll get to that another boy after that.
But but after the break I was kind of bummed.
There's nothing going on between like two thousand and one
and yeah. After two thousand and one, it was a
pretty rough year for everybody. Things kind of calmed down
in New York City for a while. It was kind
of awkward. Oh yeah, yeah, nine to eleven, and yeah,
it was a big blow with kind of for a while.
But you know, two thousand and three had rolled around
Ish and my brother was playing for the SMFS at
the time on bass, and I just you know, I've
known Danny Stanton for my whole life. I was a
baby Danny Stanton, books, ste and twisted sister and a
lot of all the rock and rolls, Adam and the Men,
The Hawk's currently right now, Debbie Gibson, but he's an
old school rocker. He had a band called Takashi and
Ninja to the record, Debbie Gibson would totally dig me, totally. Yeah.
Of course she would make her very jealous. I know
she would. She would make her very jealous. She would, yes.
Uh so. Uh. Danny and my brother, you know, always
kept me around doing stuff. So I was down to
Virginia just hanging out, just was I wasn't scheduled. I
was young. It was like twenty four, twenty three. I
don't even know. Dudes like, uh, move this. I'm like,
all right, move this, set this up. I'm like all right, sure,
I don't care. You're hanging around to his sister, do something, yeah,
stay busy. And then at the end of the week,
guys like he's like here this many I'm like for what.
I'm like, He's like, well you worked, right son. I'm like, yeah,
I worked. He's like, well, you get paid around here.
I was like, wow, that's the thing you can get
paid in rock and roll, who get paid to like
lift gear and hang out. D was really he has
always been nice, but I specifically remember that trip home.
He's like, for everybody, you know, a couple of extra
for the ride home, for the day, you know, for
the day's pay. I was like, wow, this is amazing,
you know. And then two thousand and three, two thousand
and four, I was kind of just hanging around Danny
and like Jimmy, who was a lead guitar tech the
lead guitar tech for Twisted Sister in that era two
thousand and three, two thousand and four, two thousand and
five ish, probably even a couple more years. I believe
he was maybe experiencing some health issues and it was
a good stand in, you know, get the kid to
lift some shit, you know, tune some guitars, figure it out.
And then it just started to happen around two thousand
and five and six, Danny's like, we're going to Bulgaria,
We're going to Europe, We're going to this. When he's like,
are you in, I'm like, yes, I'm in, so believe
it or not. Twisted Sister and Wasp was my first
two bands that I worked for. Are like, oh wow bands.
The Wasp Wasp story is fucking hilarious. But we'll talk
about that another time. So yeah, there will be a
second episode. Yeah, I mean that is that that involves
violence and excitement. So yeah, it's it's a it's a
headline for you, for your for your people of violence,
excitement and excitement. Uh, you know, and there's been some
funny shit with like, you know the the The thing
about Twisted Sister is mostly everybody's family always was family,
you know Danny. Everybody's known Danny since nineteen eighty three,
nineteen eighty two Dueenne Lozada has been in the mix
in the crew for since day one. When I say
day one, I'm talking the two thousand era, you know,
the eighties. Twisted Sister is a totally different crew, you know,
I mean totally almost different management besides Joe Gerber, but
the crew is you know, George Marshall was our sound
guy past way a couple of years ago, but Marty
who passed away a couple of years ago. But we
also have our overseas crew because we're very active overseas.
So we have met this from Finland, and we have
Johnny from Sweden who does lights, and then we have
a couple other guys that roll with us. But I mean, man,
we've known each other from day one. You know, we
are the road crew motorhead kind of vibe. You know. Yeah, yeah,
it's funny. It's funny all the time. Okay, because back
ten years ago, you got to remember, so AJ would
always leave with us in the morning, Okay, when the
Twisted Sister crew leaves. So a typical Twisted Sister day
is all right, let's just say, let's start after the gig.
So the gig's over at one in the morning, you're
at the hotel by three or four, you're up at six, seven, eight,
you're on a plane. You show up, you're at the
festival by about eleven or sometimes even earlier. You're down
till eleven. Yep. AJ would be with us all the time.
He never wanted to be at the airport at the hotel,
he just went to hang. What did it come to
sound check with us Twisted Sister. Besides, aj Perrow has
not seen the light of the day with a sound
check in years. Wow, that was the exciting part for us.
For me, I get a super adrenaline buzz with the changeover. Okay,
so if you know about these European festivals, they're thirty
minute changeovers. Yep. So of course we have, you know,
rights to the stage all day and you build all
your shit backstage so everything's ready to go. Your stacks,
your drums, everything's primed, the strings have changed, everything's going.
But when that bell hits, there's nothing more exciting than
putting on a Twist Sister show. Okay, when we do
it together, it's kind of like, uh, you know, it's
like a dysfunctional family just kind of taking their pill
at the last minute and we just kind of it's
like it's a beautiful piece of puzzle. And then when
the ACDC song goes off a long way to the top.
It has given us nerve wracking off tour, nerve wrackings
down supermarkets here in it. It makes our blood pump.
You know, it's such an exciting six minutes when that
song is because you see the guys walk up, and
it's just such a great feeling knowing that the apps
are ready, the monitors ready, the lights are ready, these
mic is ready, these rug is ready, everything's ready. Everybody's on.
Cute eyes on the band and there they are and
they're just cool and they put the guitars on and
then it's just a four count and it's it's one
of the most beautiful things in the world. I get
such I get such a joy of working with these guys,
Like I cannot tell you enough how much I love
those guys. Those guys are my family. And you know,
we've done a lot of cool shit around the globe.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of cool shit, you played with them, Yes,
you played with them in California.
Speaker 1: I did. There was some kind of hall.
Speaker 2: Of Fame thing, yeah, heavy metal hall of heavy metal,
hall of fame, and which which one was not available?
Speaker 1: Eddie?
Speaker 2: Eddie was not so you you took his place and
played as him, yes, or played his is.
Speaker 1: Spot yes, not as him? As him? Not as him.
This isn't you being Tommy Dayer right? His makeup correct?
And that's not a shot that is what it is, right,
What was when you got that call and said, hey,
you're playing. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Were you at any point were you ever told know
the fucking catalog, know both parts? Just in case I've
never told anybody of this.
Speaker 1: Uh so for your patreons out there, I have been
told back in the past, just just you know, Look,
I know everything. I know every Twisted Sister song, like
I know every Kiss song, you know. But there was
a time when it was just like you know, you
know how many times D has had to be rushed
in by a helicopter because of plans and whatever. These
are the craziest stories. We're talking D like any limousine
sleeping for like six, seven, eight hours while a guy
ubers him through Europe to get to a show or helicopter.
You know, there are moments when guys just don't make
their connection yea, or cannot get out of wherever they are,
or they're sick or they're sick, or they're sick.
Speaker 2: And listen, look, this is not I mean, this is
not the seventies or eighties anymore. If it was, if
the bass player from White Lion, James Lomnzo got sick
in nineteen eighty nine, White Lion didn't play right. Nowadays,
people like you that work for the band step in,
the show goes on.
Speaker 1: It's like Broadway absolutely, hence just like Kiss Absolutely, the
show must go on, Show must go on. And Queen Fain,
you know, they they can trust their people. And there's
been other guys, you know, I'll you know, you know,
Dan McCafferty's always been there for Twisted Sister, you know,
and you know D's traveling with his solo band, which
was either me, you know, Nick Perry or Nick Nafuzi
or you played in d solo band. I did. I
did not know that. Yeah, there was an error. It
is weird, did wild stuff? I did not know that
literally well stuff, you know, uh so yeah no. So
the cool thing is is that, you know, I was
just how many at some point being behind the amps.
It's like it's like a linebacker just waiting on the
third string, just waiting. You know. I'm a huge Twisted
Sister fan, right, I'm also a guitar player, and I
also do all the soundchecks every day yeh yeh yeah.
And I'm the guy that goes out to one hundred
thousand people and I love to do the first rift
to the cat scratch Fever for a quick soundcheck. It's
just especially in South America when that like the place
just lights up. In Germany, one hundred and ten thousand people,
you just hit an a card blank and it's just
like it's it's amazing. So it's exciting. I'm also a
guitar player, and I'm a dreamer as well, you know,
so I get excited. You know, put yourself in a position,
be ready. You know, luck is an opportunity and hard work,
you know, absolute truth, and most mostly walk, you know,
but you know, you know, at the end of the day,
you want what's best for Twist system, of course, you know.
But I was working at the office. You know, I
have a dirty job. I'm a certified forklift driver, but
I'm an operations manager. I run a very small company,
Accessibles by the way, and I love that place, you know,
I love it a lot. It's it's my life outside
of it. But I'm also a steady musician here in Vegas.
But when it's nine forty five and Danny's phone goes off,
you know, I could hear Danny's ringer from through cement walls.
I go run in and grab the phone, and I
wasn't planning on being there that day, Like I kind
of needn't even know about it. Yeah, it's like Dwayne
hit me up. He's like, I'm going to California, Like,
oh for what. He's like, I'll going to a heavy
metal Hall of Fame thing. I'm like, oh fuck, I
didn't even know. Right, Danny's like, you're on a plan
at a tonight. You'll be in La tonight and you'll
be rehearsing with the band, and you need to you
need to be you need to be ready, like by
nine o'clock tonight. I'm like, let's go. I was super excited.
You know, I hadn't played Twist and Sister for god
knows how many months. I'm sure. I'm sure Twisted Sister
hadn't played Twist's Sister for how many nights? Right? But uh,
you know, Uh, the first thing I did was call Eddie.
You know, I'm I can be close with Eddie. You know,
I don't bother him or anything like that, but he
is a friend, you know. And I called him and
I just said, listen, you know, first off, I'm sorry
you're sick. I hate that you have to miss this,
but I have your best intentions, you know, and I will.
I will put you first, of course, and I will
do you good, you know. And it was exciting getting
to the studio. You know, it was last minute. You know.
The guitar is not perfect, the amp's not perfect, everything's
not perfect. It's like, you know, here's your big moment
like this, you know, as the oh CD guy, I'm
trying to be like perfect and it's just a little shy.
Rock and roll is not supposed to be perfect, my friend.
But uh, you know, there it is lo and behold
there there's the night sleep on it and you show
up and the guys do their thing, and I blink
and there it is happening. And I'll tell you one thing.
I knew that that solo was coming up. We're not
going to take it. And I said, Keith, listen, this
is going to be on the internet for the rest
of your life. Yeah, you can't fuck this up, right,
So don't funk it out, don't funk up. Don't funk up,
you know, which also brings us back to the press
because that was the owner's thing. Okay, Tommy, what the fuck?
Don't fuck up that's insanity. Anyways. It was just it
was just I was just glad I hit it was
that in costume or No. Everybody was just a street close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, all right, but you so when
did you First of all, did you ever think Twisted
would play again?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Ever, you really thought that this was out of the blue.
This was you got the call when everybody else has
got the call?
Speaker 1: Are you talking? Oh you're talking about now? Oh no,
I'm pretty I was fairly convinced this would never happen.
I knew about last year's offer, but they were cold stone,
cold stone. No, that was it, and I was like,
I didn't say anything. I went to dinner, I went
to go see Wrangle Star with JJ, talked to him
about it. He's like, just not the right time, you know.
I was like, what do you mean, not the right time? Ah?
Got you? Yeah? Right, And then you know, the whispers
and the whispers, and they got louder and louder, and
the text text messages started coming in. I was like,
this is cool. You know, it's exciting for us because
you know, it's like it's weird because it's almost spinal tavish, right,
It's like we haven't been touring, we haven't been working,
we haven't been doing anything. And it's like, in six
months we have to be like proof, like parachute right
into rock and roll and be ready for it and
make it work. And it's pretty exciting, you know, knowing
that they're gonna come out rock out, which you know
at this point, it's like, why not just everybody just
stop retiring, speaking what you want, speaking of, speaking of
talk my own ship, right, stop retiring. Right, That's another
thing I go through that every day I'm walking around
at the work. I'm going stop retiring, stop calling, stop
saying it's just never retired, just rock and roll. But
to give stuff it's different. You know, you gotta look,
you got you gotta be rock and roll. You gotta
have a certain fit, you gotta have see. And that's
the thing with with act is different. Yeah, that it's different.
You're right, You're right different. I I'm not it's gonna
be it's it's not gonna be easy to say goodbye
to all that I know. And look, it's like the
makeup and everything.
Speaker 2: The single time I get offered a gig, I'm going
to ask you and I appreciate that I still I
love that and one of those times you say, fuck it,
I need let's go have some fun. Yeah, which the
last two shows that you put on were some of
the most fun in the world, really, some of the
most fun. It's fun to play some great different songs, Yeah,
different stuff. Yeah, well just wait till we do fucking
almost half of the trouble Walking record.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's a tough album. That to me. So
I'm like, you know, outside of Kiss and Zeppa and
everything like that, of course, I love Thunders, you know,
the Heartbreakers and shit like that. I've always thought La
MF was like the best rock and roll album ever,
like one of the most streets rock and roll album
Jerry Nolan Thunders, you know. But Ace's trouble Walking album
is legitimately one of the best soundings sonically well put together,
well written, well orchestrayed, well arranged, rock and roll, sonic
guitars between Richie and Ace. Yeah, I can never say
I've listened to it to so much. I don't even
listen to it anymore, of course, right, you know, but
when I put it on, I'm just like they're soloing
is is It's almost impossible to get that right. Yeah,
I could never.
Speaker 2: Like you know, we do five card stud Ace Ace
is on the verge of Shreddinger.
Speaker 1: It is the I mean Ace was epic in eighty
eighty one, eighty two, seventy five out four, but he
is on a different plane and trouble walking. You know,
he looks great, so rock and roll between him and
Richie with that tonal thing going on. I mean I
saw a lot of A shows as a kid. I
bet you I was. I was the kid with soccer
shorts on and a soccer haircut, snuck in with notes
to the club owners for my parents to get in.
And Richie used to just throw tons of picks at
me and towels and used to just take care of
me all the time. And it was just like seeing
as many A shows as at at the Roxy, I
forget his name, Frank carry Ol or Frank carry All
is Roxy out Huntington, Long Island. That was epic, man,
those A shows. But I can't say enough about that.
It's almost like a lot of kiss guys. Yeah, sure
you can do the kit, you can do the A
stuff and kiss, but boy, it's tough. It's hard to
replicate that stuff. It's almost impossible. It is, yeah, it is,
but it's so fun trying. It's great.
Speaker 2: It's just it's because it's it's about the song.
Speaker 1: It's about the fucking music. It's it's about the jacket,
and it's about the guitar. It's about the red cowboy
boots with black and white tights and a weird, you know,
fringe jacket. You know, he made it work all so
well with all those errors.
Speaker 2: You know, if you get what we did, vamped and
Todd played with us. Shout out to Todd, Todd Harworth,
fucking just a bleeththeart of a human being.
Speaker 1: I fucking love Todd to death. Actually I just talked
to him, like yesterday today, so he probably did he
tell you what we talked about. I'm assuming no. I
did not.
Speaker 2: Okay, I did not ask, okay, well, I'm assuming he
might have.
Speaker 1: Just no, no, no, he did say, okay, well, it's there's
something I was gonna tell you about. Okay, well we'll
tell you off okay, yeah, off the air. But I'm
wearing those tights with the cowboy boots, old rum and
the jacket, and I look at Eddie Trunk, who signed Ace.
I go who told this was a good look. He
did it so well, he got away with it so well,
you know, I know, but let's bring this back around.
Sorry I get off topic.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but this is this, This is almost on
that topic. You got to play with the comment. Oh yeah,
you did. You were ace in the comet.
Speaker 1: So when Todd told me about that first. You know,
I have appreciate Todd including me. It's it's not easy
again I have you know again, you know a lot
of these things that I do, my couple moments of
like big like wows, they're all like on the spot,
you know, And I never got to get the right
app and the right sound right there. Y, you know,
I have my things about it.
Speaker 2: But speaking of the right app, wait until you hear
the new beater that's coming Beater application dot com. It's
too he's beeter implication dot com.
Speaker 1: I knew my new head that's coming. Really he's gonna blow.
Speaker 2: And it's hand wired, handbuilt, one testicular.
Speaker 1: For watts tubes, you know, messing around with that fifty
wad or that twenty watch shair. How much it weighs,
I'm gonna say probably twenty nine pounds eight pounds eight stop.
I would never will it. Will it make the fall
off the casino?
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but yeah, he said it
weighs eight pounds.
Speaker 1: Old.
Speaker 2: Wow, that that gave me a boner right now. Yeah,
the other beater, it sounds great, but I think the
fucking beast.
Speaker 1: Push you need like an extra trailer to lug it
around you. Well, there's that. There's that.
Speaker 2: So all right, so you I didn't mean to interrupt.
Speaker 1: You, but I I heard the show spot to throw it. Yes,
of course. Well I wasn't happy with my amp, so
get a beater and you'll be happy with Keith has
heard it. I should have just used that one that day,
but I didn't. Todd asked me to do it, and
I was like, wow, this is crazy. Now. At first
it was with John, yeah, and Anton, and I knew
that John had his doctor had told him he doesn't
want him traveling, you know. I was like, oh, you know,
at first I was a little bummed. You know, of
course you were, you know, but uh, give me up
drawing a blank right now? Who filled? And my buddy,
I'm just drawing a blank right now. I haven't had
a drink in a long time. When we got to rehearsal.
The first time I played, I played with Todd before
and like, Todd is just sonically great. Yeah, there's like
no bad notes and there's all this great singing and
I'm like it's it's like, wow, this is cool, right.
And then the first time Anton Fake hit his bass drum.
I mean I imagine us as a kid listening to
the solo album All of Our Lives, Yeah, and knowing
Anton Fake for all that great shit that he did.
And the first time in the studio he hit the
double bass.
Speaker 3: And it went threw me like a shotgun, like a
bear roar like who It was powerful, And I was like,
fuck is that?
Speaker 2: It's so funny because people always talked about guitar players
and how it's all in the hands, right, drummers, it's
the same thing, the hands in the feet. Yeah, it's
like you, anybody can play a fucking drum, but what
a feel. It's the feel it Peter and fucking Steven Adler.
Nobody can play play their ship like that. Nobody sounds
like that. Aways continue.
Speaker 1: It was just it was a really great experience. Who's
the bass player for uh? Wasn't Sean McNabb No, it
wasn't Sean McNabb. I'm so embarrassed. I'm trying to remember.
Uh oh god, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I apologize.
I'm just strong and playing. No, no, no, it happened.
It was a long time ago. Uh, it was. It
was a really great experience because I knew at this point,
I get to play for Kiss fans, you know, yeah, wow,
you get to finally play for people who know the song, right.
And then, uh, when I started playing this song and
everything like that, I would look at people's expressions on
their face, like DJ Noise, Yeah, Like I'd see him
in the crowd, he'd be like, oh, that's that's the
solo off the album, you know, like I don't I
don't deviate. I play the ship off the album, you know.
And it was cool. I could see people in the
crowd be like, wow, this sounds good, you know, and
shots and everybody and everybody like that. They were all
they were all like, you know, they dug it. It
was like it it was cool. It was it was ace.
You know. I tried. I tried to be as ace
as possible, you know, as well you should, yeah, you know,
just turning around and seeing Todd and Anton I was
it was surreal, you know, and just playing through a
kiss crowd and everybody was really receptive and it was
it was fun to play those great songs, and uh,
you know, I consider Todd a friend now, you know,
I know, it wasn't that weird. I'm still at that point.
I was still to this day, I'm still removed from
Anton fake. You know, he's not He's not my friend,
you know, right, But I turn around and holy shit, Yeah,
what I thought was cool is because you're like, you know,
you know, Anton's a busy guy. You know, he's like,
he doesn't have to be here, but he was like
it all worked out and it was it was really
nice that he did it, you know, and I know
that he didn't have to be there. I'm pretty sure
maybe he's like, oh, you know, another kiss thing, you
know whatever, but it was cool. After the set, it
was really cool, He's like, that was great. We should
do it again. And I was like Anton fake, you know,
because like like like pretty show. I was like, I
wasn't nervous at all, but I was like all you know,
I was dressed up and you know, uh, everybody was
there Anton's just you know, Anton, he's just like chill.
He's just he's just like a sweet little guy. And
it's just like sitting there, you know, before the calm,
before the storm, he was like, he's not getting ruckus,
he's not getting drunk. You know, he's not getting nuts,
you know. But I got to just sit with him.
And there's a really great photo. Fucking Ward exactly please,
but oh my god, there's a really great picture. I
will cherish forever. It's just like I looked up and
it's like me and Anton and just like, you know,
it's like it's great, you know, and you got to
play with him, you know, him and Todd. And you know,
was that before or after four My Feet? Well after
it was, yeah, he was okay this there's been a
you know, Todd to play with multiple very talented guitar players. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because I just did. I had no business being on
this stage with these guys, to be honest with you,
you know, So it was you know, it was great.
It was nice to be a part of it. Anything
that Todd does, you know, Oh yeah, he's graced us
many times out here in Vegas. Taken a long track
to be a part of this night and at his
fucking car broke down the last time he came up
to do it, and no complaints, right smiles. He's got
that California very chill. Nothing's gonna bother me today. Mean, well,
I'll be cursing as fuck, dude. All right, let's do this.
So if you did sign up for the Patreon or
if you were going to there, you go, you uh
let any set of chips, but you have to say
that you signed up because of this episode. There is
no cash value of this from Vegas, absolutely not. It's
just a nice little collector. Is that much like my
wallet for me to you? All right? Exactly? You know
I've noticed that by myself too, And I'll be throwing
out a couple during the show, you know. By the way,
going back to the show November thirteenth, you know, I'm
very very excited about this dive box. It's on Maryland
dive thank you, we need that information. Yeah, dive bar, Maryland.
And it's not that far from the hotel, not that
far from the Virgin Okay. I would walk it. As
someone has said, it was off the beaten path, off.
Speaker 2: The beaten path, but I would walk it. But it's
not that far. It's not that far. It's not that far.
It's not far at all. It's a quick uber.
Speaker 1: It's maybe I would do it's super close, all right,
It's gonna be a lot of fun. Dive Bar is
an epic, epic rock world in Las Vegas. And if
you if you come to Vegas, you gotta have some
fun in Vagas exactly. And you know what I love
about Dive Bar? What's up? Smoke? You can smoke in
the dive Bar? Pretty wild? Yeah, is fucking rock and roll.
That is pretty rock and roll. And they will be
smoking of many sorts. Oh yes, both guitar and physically
smoking going on there. For me, I'm really excited about this.
We have a lot of cool things. All of our
VIP tables sold out thirty minutes and you guys, did
you There's gonna be somebody sitting on stage. This is
so cool. So first off, I felt like, remember when
Kiss played Detroit and the Tiger Stadium, they sold it
out like thirteen seconds. Yeah, right, and Peter and Gin
are on the phone giggling like little school boys. It
was like seven fifteen in the morning and everything was
sold out and I was like, oh, the tables were
sold out. Yeah, and I'm like, this is cool, you know.
And we have a lot of friends, a lot of family,
a lot of people from all over you know, people
you know coming in from the Kiss World, the Kiss Army.
We also decided because the way the dive bars laid out,
which I'm sure you can you know, this kind of
weird extension on the stage, it's yeah, kind of does
it almost different from when I played there right right.
Speaker 2: I was the sixteen, my very first gig in Vegas
with Act twenty sixteen at the die Bar.
Speaker 1: With Chad Stewart. Was supposed to play drums.
Speaker 2: Faster's bus got stuck on the fifteen there was a
fire that lost over the fifteen God so Zach Throne
played drums amazing. What can't he play exactly?
Speaker 1: This is a xiophone.
Speaker 2: He learned the set that day. It was fucking great.
Figured dive bars phenomenal. I fucking dive bar is super cool,
you know. And I got to give a lot of
credit to Patrick vid Glely. I know he said something
about this night and I'll get into something real quick,
you know.
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, you remember the smoking section in high school.
That's kind of like who we are that night, And
I'm like, yeah, we're the smoking section at high school. Now.
Now listen, you know, I'm getting older and I've been
a little bit more opinion I've always been opinionated, but
you know, getting older and I'm getting cranky, you know.
But like, look, you know, I know that there's a
lot going on that night on February, sorry February, on
November thirteenth. I know that there's a lot going on
that night, and I want everybody to have fun. I
want everybody to have all your kiss fun possible. If
there's something else going on that night, enjoy it. But
you know what, this is going to be a very
special night, and it's going to be a very big
celebration for the hardcore kiss Army, and you know, we're
going to make it a nice, swift, easy night. It's
going to go on as scheduled. There's going to be
plenty of time to get back to other places and
do shit. But you know what, it's a very special
night for everybody. You know, all our friends there is.
He's gonna be hosted a night. DJ Noise is gonna
be spinning the bones is gonna be rocking, and One
Last Kiss is going to be rocking that night. And
we have a really great set and we're not gonna
do your normal boring set. Okay, so you're not gonna
do the end of the Road set. We're not gonna
do the end of the Road set, but we are
gonna throw in some really cool, really cool b sides. Okay. Now,
the couch, getting back to the couch dreamer as we
call him here in Vegas, Alfonso, he who was the
highest bidder for the couch. I thought it would be
a fucking cool idea throw a couch for the coolest
Kiss Army guy, and of course he got it. And
you know, we just want to have a lot of
fun and we're just gonna have a lot of like
spirit there and just to have somebody there enjoy that
aspect of being on stage with the Kiss band, being
really in the thick of it. You know. So, VIP
tables are out, the couch is sold out, A couple
of tickets are left. I want all of my industry
people to show up and have some fun. All our friends,
we want them to come down and just have a
great time. And it's just gonna be bitching. Man. It's
a hardcore Kiss Army party to Casablanca. It's the spirit
of nineteen seventy five and it's so hardcore that Tom
and Zeus from showed out Loud Casts are damn they're
already on the list for the IPEA. They were the
first people on the list. Thank you for coming, by
the way, so once again out. Yeah. You know you
could see all this stuff on the event. You know,
Kiss Tribute USA, Facebook dot com, Kiss Tribute USA. You'll
see the event. I'm sure you know people who know
all about it. You know we're excited. Dot fucking store. No,
it's gonna be a great rock and roll show. I'm
gonna you know, gonna have the guitar. You know it's
gonna be great. I have a bunch of guitars doing
special things. Yes, well last Kiss it's I think people
should come out and check this out. It's it's it's
a special band, trust me, take my word, all.
Speaker 2: Right, and I can fucking attest to that. Ladies and gentlemen.
Keith Robert Ward, let me hit the ultro music here.
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If they want to find you? Least book dot com,
Keith Robert Warre. There you go. You know that's easy.
Give it up for Ezzy Price and Rock and Roll
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Speaker 1: It's only five dollars a month, that's all.
Speaker 2: And I know this version real right, Oh no, no,
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Speaker 1: Oh animalized okay, animalized live on sense Okay, you got me,
you got me? Oh yeah, oh on censored okay, very good.
A great to his ship. I've been using this for
thirteen years as the ultro of the show. And November
fourth will actually we'll be the well will be the
start of the thirteenth year November Friend.
Speaker 2: My very first Hall of Fame edition. I am inducting
six people into the.
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm stealing your your idea there, showed out loldcast.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but it'll fucking work. Give it up for
as Izzy Presley. Everybody, this is a rock star. Thank
you what you do for rock and roll. In the
unity of rock and roll, let me be part of it.
You're thankies and gentlemen on behalf of Keith Robert Wore.
My name is Izzie Presley and don't forget what I
lack in talent.
Speaker 2: You know what I do, chips, I make up for
it at the cock Woo wh